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they don't blow it up by the time that it

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goes out, But this will double as the Clippers offseason

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look ahead because the Kauhi trade rumors are kind of

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blowing that up anyway, which means I will run through

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their vitals very quickly and I should throw them up

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on screen for the kids at home. There we go.

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So the Clippers, I have them. Their cap situation is

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very fluid, so I have them at seven million over

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the cap, which gives them plenty of room, twenty eight

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and a half below the tax thirty seven plus below

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the first apron. That's my fourteen player projection that includes

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Woggler and every single option non guarantee being picked up.

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It doesn't include free agent holds Er Mathrin, Collins, or

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any of their second rounders. I also recognize that if

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they wanted to, they could just have a crap ton

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of cap space right now. I have them ticketed for

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the non tax payer mid level exception. They are notable

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unrestricted free agents, John Collins most notable. Bennettcmathrin is a

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restricted free agent. Bradley Beal has a player option five

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point six million. I'm assuming he's going to pick that up.

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five point nine million, and Jordan Miller at two point

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five million in Kobe Sanders at two point two million.

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Jordan Miller, they would become restricted free agents. Notable extension

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candidates the reason we're here to Borek Kawhi Leonard can

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sign for a max of two years, one hundred and

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twenty six point five million dollars. Darius Garland's also extension

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eligible two years one hundred and ten. No other notable

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extension candidates. Maybe Derek Jones Junior can sign a four

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year extension. As of July ninth, and their first round

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pick overview, which I think will give mister Tapoak some jolly's.

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That's swap rights. They will end up getting the least

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favorable of Denver's top five protected pick, their own pick

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or Oklahoma City's pick. In twenty twenty eight, they owe

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an unprotected pick to the Philadelphia seventy six ers and

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in twenty twenty nine swap rights with Philly top three

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protection for Philly on that and then they this summer.

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I think they could trade up to four first not

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including the actual Woggler pick, so least favorable picks in

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twenty seven and twenty nine, and then outright picks in

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twenty thirty one, twenty thirty three. My question to you,

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mister Taporrek, what is this this dovetails with the Kawhi

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Leonard traders. What is the Clippers's direction right now?

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Speaker 2: I feel like we have to start this entire section

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with are we ever going to get a ruling on aspiration?

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Speaker 1: No, but it's like an astigation that never ends.

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Speaker 2: This is insane if they allow I mean, we are,

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you know, a couple of days away from free agency,

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Kawhi Leonard trade rumors are bubbling up. I don't know

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how any team in good conscience can trade for Kawhi

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Leonard unless the NBA has already sent signals behind the

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scenes that, you know, whatever comes of this investigation, Kawhi

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will not be punished, will not you know, not be

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for some miss games, like they could avoid his contract.

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a partner, a co conspirator and this scheme. So I like,

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that's that's my biggest question hanging over the timber or

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over the Clippers right now. I was like, are we

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going to get a resolution to this before the start

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of free agency, before kawhi trade potentially happens, before they

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have to commit to an extension for him? Like the

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uncertainty there? You know, you bring up draft picks that

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they could have or could trade. Are we sure? Are

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we sure that they're gonna have those draft picks?

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Speaker 1: We don't know any well, could you if you were

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the Clippers, even if you did, like you just trade

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those draft picks?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and just trade Kawhi, Like, yeah, you're gonna avoid

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Speaker 1: We don't like, you trade those drafts, like maybe even

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trade the twenty thirty one and twenty thirty three picks

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so that the NBA, if they give them, it's the

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ones that you swapped and weren't going to be high

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high upside anyway. I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Sure, Yeah, the whole thing is just beyond insane to me.

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I mean, shout out to Pablotory of Meadowlark Media for

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blowing the cover off of this and you know, the

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the amount of work that he has done on this

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story throughout the year is I mean, it literally won

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him a Pulitzer Prize and it was a very well

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deserved Pulitzer prize. And I know Adam Silver during the

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finals was saying, like it's time to wrap this up.

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but the other twenty nine teams no kind of the

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circumstances they're operating under. But again, like time is running

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and Julius Randall all got traded this week already, like

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trades are already flying.

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Speaker 1: Oh the thing we didn't bring up, by the way,

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with the hornet stuff. Find it so bizarre. I mentioned

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the Steve Off air that we're at a point where

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these guards have no trade value, but they're still gonna

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get max contracts. Apparently when you look at Trey, uh, I'm.

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probably not getting the max next time. But yeah, I mean, well, mellow,

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guy behind Aspiration, right, Steve Bombers and his I guess

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people wrote a letter against him, while the NBA said, oh,

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he was very cooperative and gives a ton of information. Basically,

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or provided some documents or evidence that just really works

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against the Clippers. But then you come from Adam Silver's

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finds out podcasts to go a few months without publishing

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an update so that they can try and sweep this

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in which because Joe Samberg like got sentenced to fourteen years.

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Speaker 2: Fourteen years in jail, and they had I believe someone

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kind of bringing this getting him, you know, the court

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case ready. So yeah, I don't think. I don't think

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Pablo is letting this story go. If the NBA wants

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to sweep it under the rug, best of luck to them.

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believes there was circumvention, and it seems like he is

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increasingly annoyed that the NBA is dragging their feet and

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is going to continue making it more and more embarrassing

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for the NBA until the NBA releases its investigation and

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releases the punishment, at which point, you know, if, if

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the series yet go check it out. Go in with

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an open mind. It is very hard when you listen

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to the totality of what Pablo has investigated, to believe

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that the Clippers were completely innocent in all of this.

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the NBA punish them at all? And B if they do,

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what is the extent of it? Do you know, is

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Kauai affected at all? Do they lose draft picks? Do

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their members of their front office get suspended for a

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period of time, like, what, what are the parameters that

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we're working under now that we're in this key off

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Speaker 1: I don't. I honestly don't know what's gonna happen. The

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longer it goes on, I feel as if it's less

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likely anything seismic is gonna come of it. At one point,

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if I was bracing for the Clippers are gonna lose

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like four draft picks or something not like four first

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the Jallen Brunson level of tambring of a second round

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pick or something along those lines. I don't, and maybe

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you assign? So the cho rumors basically being he wouldn't

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there if he got traded there. He is willing to

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sign an extension in Toronto or San Antonio. So I did?

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the Clippers are actually worried about this investigation or if

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it's holding up what they're trying to do, is that

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spilling over into how they're handling the Kuhi situation or

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does it? It did seem like they were kind of

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angling for a fresh, a fresher let's call it start

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a twenty twenty seven anyway, And so maybe the extension

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eligibility is what spearheading this all of a sudden, this

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chatter because the idea that he would sign an extension

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undeniably determined to keep hold of Kawhi Leonards. So I

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his age, given his injury history, and you know, just

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and Darius Garland in twenty twenty seven, whereas right now

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Darius Garland under contract in twenty twenty seven, it was

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Speaker 2: Brook Lopez, Derek Jones Junior is in expiring, like Patombs

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in expiring, Like they could have a completely clean slate.

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Now would they want that? With Yannis presumably off the board? Now,

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you know, like that this tends to happen where it's

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free agents in twenty twenty seven. Everyone's gonna, you know,

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save sixty million dollars a cap space and then all right,

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the extension. He's not likely to be available. Jokic, you know,

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right after a very disappointing end of the season made

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it very clear he's like, nah, I don't I don't

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want to go anywhere. I'm good. I like Denver. So,

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ahead as to like who who is the key free

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Stephan Curry could be a free agent in twenty twenty

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point age thirty nine, Stephan Curry, I do it, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Well, it's gonna ask would the Sixers give back even

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Speaker 2: Probably I would think so, even.

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title immediately than Toronto does. But yes, just the rule

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of cool with also just a hilarious bit, Like I

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know Jake said he'd be open to an extension, so

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it's a little different. But like imagine if just every

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time he gets to the final year of his contract,

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Toronto's like, you know what, we'll do it, We'll do

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you can go every want next year year, just play

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for us the one year and let's see if we

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could recreate this magic baby.

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Speaker 1: Before moving on? Is there could you see is there

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a team out there that you think would be a

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good Quhi destination that would consider moving for him, even

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if they have no guarantee it's more than a.

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Speaker 2: Rental Portland's maybe if it's just like Jeremy Grant and

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one of Shaden or Scoot.

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Speaker 1: What about would Phoenix because they could probably make the

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money work, right, They're busy paying all their players to

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get back the eighth place.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, I mean with Jalen Green, Dylan Brooks,

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Grace and Allen, they could easily make the money work. Yeah,

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Phoenix would be interesting. It's I mean, it's hard to

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find like ooh, Houston challenge trade Kawhi for Kevin Durant.

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Speaker 1: Oh wow wow? Who says no? The Clippers right?

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Speaker 2: Yeh probably because I don't think Kevin Durant or if.

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Speaker 1: You're worried about Kawhi leaving as Houston, you say, well,

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we have Kevin Rant for the extra year. Sure would

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the Could the Lakers do it if Lebron is gone?

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Speaker 2: Just absorb him into cap space.

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Speaker 1: Or partial cap space. They could send out like I

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don't know what, they could send out picks to go

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along with some of the contracts they have on the

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books to help.

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Speaker 2: Sure, But yeah, the Lakers are just in such a

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weird spot this summer because it's like, this is your

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best opportunity to retool around Luca, because you can do

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like the little cap space trick right now with Reeves

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where like you you know, earn forty million, but he's

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on the books for twenty million right now. So like

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I I don't think if your big splash is a

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sky in his mid thirties, that's you know, yes, that's

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great for now, but does not chance give you a

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chance to meaningfully build around Luca? Oh, I have one,

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though I don't know. I don't know if they have

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the ammunition or what ammunition they are attaching Denver.

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Speaker 1: Oh, so that would be yeah. I mean you could

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get there I think with Christian Brown and Cam Johnson,

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but you don't have any draft equity to.

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Speaker 2: Include, right, Yeah, that's the problem.

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Speaker 1: So you'd be looking at Aaron Gordon or Jamal Murray,

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which I don't think the Clippers. You're getting more teams

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involved because the Clippers have Woggler and Daris Garland on

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the books already.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you probably have to do if you.

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Speaker 1: Could do the Christian Brown contract aging like Milk is,

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you could do. What about a sign in trade of

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Peyton Watson, Cam Johnson and your twenty thirty three swap

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for Kawhi Leonard.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I think the Clippers, I don't know where,

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like what proximity to the apron they would be after that,

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they would have to be mindful of that because they

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would be hard gapped.

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Speaker 1: Sam, they can handle it. Yeah, I think they handle it.

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Speaker 2: That's interesting. I don't think you hang up.

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Speaker 1: Denver probably says no unless they can find a team

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take on Christian Brown because they're they're basically net salary neutral,

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maybe saving a little bit. They actually no, Kui makes

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more than Brown and Johnson together, so you need to

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send out another contract to to begin with.

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Speaker 2: But but speaking of challenge trades, Jalen Brown for Kawhi Leonard.

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Speaker 1: The Celtics say no to that, right, What is going

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on in Boston?

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Speaker 2: I've checked.

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Speaker 1: I've been checking my phone so much because I'm actually worried.

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Not we're wondering if Jail Brown is gonna get traded

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while we're on while we're on the horn.

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Speaker 2: That's a fair concern. In Minnesota. Can they just assemble

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all these dudes somehow?

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Speaker 1: Actually? Why so? Well? Whysos has two things in the chat,

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they're interesting, So okay, seek.

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Speaker 2: That would be what though, I mean, you have to

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be one of Jade auber Chat.

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Speaker 1: I'm not. I mean, I know some people are lower

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on chet, but maybe if the clip, like what if

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it was Kawhi Leonard and all the picks for chet

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Holm Grin, that would be hysterical. We're gonna keep giving

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the OKAC Clippers draft.

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Speaker 2: I get you could actually get to the money with Caruso,

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Dort and Isaiah Joe. Or if you pick up the

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team option A Hertenstein.

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Speaker 1: Wait, Carusoe, Dort and Isaiah Joe get you to fifty? Wow?

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Speaker 2: Close enough? I mean yeah, carus is at nineteen point six,

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Dort's at seventeen point seven, Isaia Joe's eleven point three.

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Speaker 1: What about Hartenstein, Dort and Isaiah Joe.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's your way over.

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Speaker 1: I just feel like you still kind of need out.

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Well you have Casey Wallace, maybe you don't need Alex Caruso. Wow,

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but that's like we know the Thunder, the Thunder trying

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to still cut money. They're thirty million dollars into the

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second apron So why sas said? I bet that team

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was really wish they could trade Kwai right now, He's

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like the missing piece. I had kind of wondered when

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I saw the LaMelo trade go down. I was thinking, well,

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this means Kawhi is not getting traded right because this package,

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like if you would have folded it into the Randall deal,

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you could have made it work. There'd be other parts

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involved for Kawhi. But maybe that has more to do

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with LaMelo's under contract. So we're okay doing this now.

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And Kawhi if he doesn't want to sign an extension

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or is an expiring deal, having no control over what

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he's gonna do, You're not gonna want to give up

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as much. You're not gonna want to go up your

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twenty thirty three pick, that's for sure.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, definitely because.

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Speaker 1: Kawhi and Jane McDaniel's Nanthey Edwards would be oh Mansane Winbryo.

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Speaker 2: What about again, I don't know how they're making the

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money work. Necessarily, it would be tricky. But Indiana with

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Nemhard top in wow Zubats right back, that would be

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pretty funny. Maybe, yeah, just a souped up version of

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what Detroit and Memphi say the draft.

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Speaker 1: Do you know which team I would actually like, and

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you could build the deal out in a bunch of

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different ways. I just don't know which would be the

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best way for both sides. Kawhida Orlando, We're on.

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Speaker 2: My list too. Yeah, yeah, I mean if i've I

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would not want to. If I'm the Clippers, I don't

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know that I want to do it for Paolo, but

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for Franz absolutely.

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Speaker 1: If I'm the clip I might prefer to. If I'm

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the Clippers, I want Palo over France. I'm not gonna lie.

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Speaker 2: You have you and I have been.

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Speaker 1: Give give me Mmello, give me Palo, giving me all

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there is. It's easier to make an analytical case for

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LaMelo ball than it is for Palo bank Caro that much.

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Speaker 2: I will give you, yes, for sure, but I will

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I will give you. Paolo had a couple of games

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in the playoffs where he he did look fantastic, like

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the theory of Polo. If he hits that ceiling all

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the time, he'll be phenomenal. And yes, you would absolutely

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want him over Franz. But then he also as he's

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like four for eighteen games that make you question why

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you watch basketball in the first place.

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Speaker 1: Knowing what you said about Gard or do you have

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anything else on the court. Do you think why gets traded?

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Speaker 2: I didn't as of forty eight hours ago. I mean now,

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seeing how quickly we went from hey, LaMelo ball might

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be traded to hey, Lamoo ball got traded, I think

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it took about twelve hours. I don't know. I mean,

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I'm guessing it only happens if the Clippers and he

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and the Clippers can't agree on what a contract extension

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might look like. But knowing the Clippers, that seems like

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a realistic possibility considering what happened to Paul George a

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couple of years ago, where they you know, they correctly

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said we don't want to pay you a four year max,

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and he said, that's great, I'm out of here. You know,

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I think they have been proven wise that it was

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unwise to give him a four year max at that

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stage of his career. I think with Kawhi, yes, the

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ceiling is what it is, but his age, his injury history,

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I could understand them bocking a little bit at for

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sure a full max contract extension. And I'm wondering, especially

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with the Knicks having just won a title with Jalen Brunson,

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given how much money that he bypassed to you know,

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he signed the four one fifty six or whatever it is.

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Speaker 1: He saved them a Dante Evincenzo per season. That's how

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I framed it per season.

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Speaker 2: And I wonder how I assumed that teams were going

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to start using that against other stars. And clearly that

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did not happen in Washington. But but I wonder if

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the Clippers are going to Kawhi and saying, like, look, man,

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this is the reality. You know, if you want us

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to build a title contender around you in the twilight

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of your career, we can't max you, or it's going

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to be very difficult for us to build the title

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contender if we max you. But if you take x

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amount less, here are all the other doors that this

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could open.

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Speaker 1: What's a deal? Here? Is it two for like stet

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two for one hundred, which would be the same he's

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on hours. It need to be more like two.

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Speaker 2: For eighty what KD did, like two for ninety? Right? Yeah, yeah,

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I mean probably in that range, right, Like he's Kawhi's

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turning thirty seven? Is that correct?

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Speaker 1: Uncle Dennis says, no.

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Speaker 2: Way you find another fake tree company.

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Speaker 1: Oh, we didn't even mention Brooklyn just like they could

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use their cap space then do Julius Randall and Terrence

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Mann plus picks? Why why did they lottery reform? Man,

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they're trying to get better.

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Speaker 2: No, no, no, that would be That's the one I'm against.

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So that was also wrong. Kaui is only thirty four.

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He's turning thirty five and four days. Happy birthday, Kwai.

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I hope you get a fake tree.

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Speaker 1: I just say Atlanta would be in on Kauai if

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they're in on Jalen Brown or not? Really why would

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be such like a pace disruptor for how they like

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to play though?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I mean Jalen Brown is much more aligned

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with their age wise, also an Atlanta native, so not

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that that should factor into their decision, but just another

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reason too. Yeah, I don't know if they're given a

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significant assets for a quill like that's it sounds crazy

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to say this, but like that is one of the

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tricky things. Oh Detroit. Did we mention Detroit?

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Speaker 1: We did as a team that he wouldn't sign an

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extension with I would sure. I'm just what does it

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take then to get him there? Like and just we're

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going to roll the dice if it's Ron Holland and

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you're making the money work because they could have a

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ton of cap space, they could be over, they could

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do all these things. I just say, Ron Holland is

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the core asset going out? Are you rolling the dice

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is Detroit?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, if that's all it count like because you could

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probably loop in the Isaiah Stewart trade. Yep, we're going

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to expand that. So that fifteen million Duncan Robinson's at sixteen,

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that's thirty one, Ron Holland's at nine, that's forty adding Karrislbert,

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you're there.

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Speaker 1: I would I mean, if that what if it's Ron

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Holland in a first.

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Speaker 2: I still think, I mean they're I would do. And

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I like Ron Holland a lot. I think Ron Holland's

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gonna be really good.

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Speaker 1: But could you imagine Kawhi and as are just on

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the same defense. I know Kawhi is not caps lock

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Kawhi anymore.

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Speaker 2: But right, yeah, like if I mean you could start

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cade Kawhi a sar Jalen Duran.

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Speaker 1: Oh we didn't mention how we not mentioned this team?

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It's Jimmy Butler plus picks.

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Speaker 2: Ooh Colden State, right, yep, mm hmm. Sounds like they

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don't want to trade Jimmy, but sure, I mean, you know,

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I yes, I think that should absolutely be under consideration

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for them.

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Speaker 1: What do you think this if they moved Kawhi or

471
00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:04,119
even what you just said about guards, what does it

472
00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:07,119
mean for Darius Garland? I think him and I'm not

473
00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:09,400
worried about that. I don't know how deep into like

474
00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:11,720
the Keaton Woggler fit you are. I'm not worried aout

475
00:25:11,759 --> 00:25:13,680
him and Wogler playing together. I think they'll be fine.

476
00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:15,759
But you said all that, you made a lot of

477
00:25:15,839 --> 00:25:19,200
salient points about the way small guards are valued via trade,

478
00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:21,319
and then we also know they're still kind of getting paid. Like,

479
00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:25,160
where does Darius Garland fit in to the Clippers vision?

480
00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:27,119
I think if they're trying to be I like Darius Garland,

481
00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:28,839
I couldn't believe. I thought the Clippers that was a

482
00:25:28,839 --> 00:25:32,079
home run trade for them. But now if you're thinking

483
00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:34,400
about moving Kawhi or don't want to pay Kawai, I'm

484
00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:36,839
just curious where Darius Garland fits into their vision.

485
00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:39,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I am too. I think it's a fair question

486
00:25:40,039 --> 00:25:41,799
when obviously when they made the trade, they did not

487
00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:43,599
know they were going to get the number five pick.

488
00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:44,920
Theyd know they were going to get a pick at

489
00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:49,200
all in this draft, and you know, if I guess

490
00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:52,319
if they if they were going to get a pick,

491
00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:54,519
it was gonna be one of the guards because it

492
00:25:54,599 --> 00:25:58,000
had to be between five and nine, right right? So yeah,

493
00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:00,799
or Ague, they could just taken Marro or whatever. But yeah,

494
00:26:00,839 --> 00:26:06,480
like they now knowing that they have Wagler, I would

495
00:26:06,519 --> 00:26:09,640
think that Garland, if they're willing to move Kawhi, I

496
00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:11,720
would guess they would be willing to move Garland because

497
00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:13,400
he's only got two years left on his deal too,

498
00:26:14,079 --> 00:26:16,920
Like this is the time to move him because you

499
00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:18,400
know you can move him next summer, but he's in

500
00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:20,720
expiring and then you run into the same problem where

501
00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:22,359
like is he trying to.

502
00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:25,599
Speaker 1: Would you have done as the Clippers? Would you have

503
00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:34,440
done the Lamello package for Darius Garland? Uh?

504
00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:36,880
Speaker 2: Like the one first round pick?

505
00:26:37,079 --> 00:26:42,279
Speaker 1: And nas reed, I mean, Darius Carn's making a little

506
00:26:42,319 --> 00:26:45,240
bit more than LaMelo, so there's perhaps more other moving

507
00:26:45,279 --> 00:26:48,400
parts involved. But who has more trade value right now? Darius?

508
00:26:48,559 --> 00:26:50,680
Like I thought I would have told you LaMelo ball

509
00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:53,960
with one hundred confidence twenty four hours ago. But as

510
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:57,000
you pointed out in our DMS when you called me fucko,

511
00:26:59,559 --> 00:27:02,200
it might be a conversation. I mean Dars got you

512
00:27:02,279 --> 00:27:04,519
James Hard and LaMelo Ball got you, nas reed, I

513
00:27:04,519 --> 00:27:05,559
don't know what to make of that.

514
00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:08,160
Speaker 2: Well, I mean he got you thirty six year old

515
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:10,119
James Harden and you had to attach a second round

516
00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:16,039
pick to do it all right? Yeah? Uh yeah, I

517
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:20,000
Garland's got some injury stuff to worry about as well.

518
00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:23,920
Like I, I think he should still have value, you know,

519
00:27:24,039 --> 00:27:26,960
I yeah, I think like Minnesota, have they not gone

520
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:30,000
for LaMelo, they probably would have taken.

521
00:27:29,799 --> 00:27:32,079
Speaker 1: I would love him in Memphis as opposed I don't know,

522
00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:34,480
the defensive like women Boozer, but instead of Jaw he

523
00:27:34,519 --> 00:27:35,920
would be a good fit of Memphis.

524
00:27:36,319 --> 00:27:38,960
Speaker 2: I mean, I have concerns that Milwaukee does not seem

525
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:41,880
content with just taking their medicine for a couple of years.

526
00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:44,160
Speaker 1: Like are they they were linked to do you sew

527
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:46,599
the do you saw them? They were interested in LaMelo?

528
00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:53,880
Speaker 2: That was yeah, red flag. Yeah, like with the Mavericks,

529
00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:57,119
if they were willing to move off for Kyrie.

530
00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:59,200
Speaker 1: Well, they seem determined to surround Cooper Flag with his

531
00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:00,759
little spacing as possible.

532
00:28:00,519 --> 00:28:04,720
Speaker 2: So sure, sure, Houston, he would.

533
00:28:04,519 --> 00:28:09,359
Speaker 1: Be excellent in Houston. Something like read what did that?

534
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:12,400
What was my Lamello package for them? Shanehu? That's too

535
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:13,599
much for Darius Garland?

536
00:28:13,599 --> 00:28:16,440
Speaker 2: No, probably could you do Van Vliet and like Tari

537
00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:18,920
East and an assigning trade?

538
00:28:19,279 --> 00:28:22,720
Speaker 1: Oh that really juiced their off. But then you have

539
00:28:22,759 --> 00:28:25,680
reached Shepherd and Darius gone on the same team. Yeah,

540
00:28:25,839 --> 00:28:28,079
it's a little that gets atle Could they play together?

541
00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:28,559
I don't know.

542
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:33,200
Speaker 2: Iman's just gonna swallow up everyone anyway, It's okay.

543
00:28:33,079 --> 00:28:36,079
Speaker 1: Would he be would he be a Detroit guy? They're

544
00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:38,359
linked to Kawhi? But wouldould be a Detroit guy? Or

545
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:41,079
is that too much? You're about to pay Duran Sar's

546
00:28:41,119 --> 00:28:41,960
extension eligible?

547
00:28:42,079 --> 00:28:47,039
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, I mean I could well. I mean I

548
00:28:47,079 --> 00:28:48,960
don't think Durren's getting as much as we all thought

549
00:28:49,039 --> 00:28:49,720
three months ago.

550
00:28:51,599 --> 00:28:54,039
Speaker 1: I mean, the Pistons just traded one of their other

551
00:28:54,039 --> 00:28:55,599
big men, so he might might be.

552
00:28:55,599 --> 00:29:03,440
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, who else? I mean, this is no, they're

553
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:06,240
too expensive already. I was gonna say utah, because they

554
00:29:06,279 --> 00:29:10,160
seem like lukewarm on Keyante George as a point guard.

555
00:29:10,279 --> 00:29:12,000
But that's just.

556
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:14,799
Speaker 1: That's salary structure is not gonna work there. No way

557
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:19,119
you think Washington wants a pair of Garland and Darius.

558
00:29:19,839 --> 00:29:21,279
Speaker 2: They might Toronto.

559
00:29:21,359 --> 00:29:26,440
Speaker 1: Maybe he doesn't really fit what they do defensively. Put

560
00:29:26,519 --> 00:29:28,720
LaMelo wouldn't either, and they were interested in him. So yeah,

561
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:32,680
I mean i'd like it. Yeah, what about Okay, what

562
00:29:32,759 --> 00:29:33,839
about San Antonio?

563
00:29:35,119 --> 00:29:36,480
Speaker 2: Just all of the guards?

564
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:39,279
Speaker 1: Well, no, no Fox. So if you're attaching stuff to

565
00:29:39,319 --> 00:29:40,680
Fox or maybe the clipp.

566
00:29:44,039 --> 00:29:46,000
Speaker 2: I mean I would imagine a lot of Spurs fans

567
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:49,519
are just ready to watch Fox into the sun right now.

568
00:29:49,599 --> 00:29:50,759
So I can't get anything.

569
00:29:51,559 --> 00:29:53,839
Speaker 1: Spurs fans, you come talk to me. I'll convince you

570
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:54,799
to step off that leg.

571
00:29:56,839 --> 00:30:01,039
Speaker 2: Yeah that's interesting. I I guess it depends on how

572
00:30:01,119 --> 00:30:02,279
much you would have to attach.

573
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:05,559
Speaker 1: And yeah, that would be the because he has the

574
00:30:05,599 --> 00:30:08,119
four year deals starting now right two.

575
00:30:08,759 --> 00:30:12,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the Clippers. You're still running into the same problem,

576
00:30:14,319 --> 00:30:17,880
like you still have the same fit concerns with Fox

577
00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:18,880
that you will with Garland.

578
00:30:19,039 --> 00:30:24,839
Speaker 1: With Boggler, Uh yeah, I think that backcourt would have

579
00:30:24,839 --> 00:30:28,960
a higher defensive ceiling together though in the Garland Bogler one.

580
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:30,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, Fox is a little bit bigger.

581
00:30:30,519 --> 00:30:34,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yo, we didn't mention Cleveland for Kawhi is there?

582
00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:37,720
Would you consider a mobile for Kawhi? Like how oh wow?

583
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:41,240
Speaker 2: Probably not Mobley, right.

584
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:42,599
Speaker 1: I wouldn't do it. I'm just yeah, I don't know

585
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:44,960
where Cleveland. I don't know where Cleveland's at. I've seen

586
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:50,480
mobiley for Jalen Brown. That's the that's the one other

587
00:30:50,599 --> 00:30:52,480
Jalen Brown trade is Well. I wasn't a fan of

588
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:54,599
the honest one, but for some reason, the MOBILEI one.

589
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:56,200
I'm like, alright, maybe I don't hate that.

590
00:30:57,359 --> 00:31:04,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean Mobley just didn't take the leap that

591
00:31:04,599 --> 00:31:08,599
we expected, and he's still so young that like it's

592
00:31:08,599 --> 00:31:13,200
still easily could be coming. I'm not out on yeah, yeah,

593
00:31:13,279 --> 00:31:17,200
I just the ages made me like you already traded

594
00:31:17,279 --> 00:31:20,240
Darius Garland for a guy ten years older than him,

595
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:24,480
and I understand you did that. Yeah, Like you're you're

596
00:31:24,519 --> 00:31:26,920
shortening your window that much, And like what message is

597
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:28,920
that sending to Donovan Mitchell as you're trying to get

598
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:31,279
convince him to sign an extension.

599
00:31:31,319 --> 00:31:32,960
Speaker 1: Maybe he likes I mean, maybe he's got a thing

600
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:35,680
for older dudes. Just because he wanted James Harden for

601
00:31:35,759 --> 00:31:38,359
Darius Garland. Dunne right, that was the pretense.

602
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:42,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean like it. It would make them.

603
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:44,839
It would probably increase their title chances next year, but

604
00:31:45,319 --> 00:31:46,720
drastically shorten their window.

605
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:49,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, I wouldn't. I that would be not practice. You

606
00:31:49,079 --> 00:31:50,799
could maybe you need to finish other than the second

607
00:31:50,839 --> 00:31:54,759
apron could be aggregating, but you could maybe do Jared Allen.

608
00:31:55,559 --> 00:31:58,039
And you've got a whole bunch of middle Max Drews.

609
00:31:58,079 --> 00:32:01,200
His money is in there, so you could probably get there.

610
00:32:01,279 --> 00:32:04,160
That plus who else is making some money there, there's

611
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:07,599
Shrewder would be the preferable to sant Marril for sure.

612
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:11,880
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, they're just gonna sign and trade Jared Allen

613
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:12,720
for Lebron James.

614
00:32:12,799 --> 00:32:15,000
Speaker 1: And you see that was so funny.

615
00:32:16,119 --> 00:32:19,200
Speaker 2: I mean not the craziest thing I've ever heard.

616
00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:21,960
Speaker 1: No, But like, what is the team sorts of worry

617
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:25,880
about Mobiley not having enough runway to develop offensively, So

618
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:29,039
let's throw Lebron and don Mitchell James Harden together and

619
00:32:29,079 --> 00:32:30,480
that'll give Mobley a chance to.

620
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:33,000
Speaker 2: Well, then we don't care if Evan Mobley is going

621
00:32:33,039 --> 00:32:35,160
to score eight points a game. We don't need to

622
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:36,640
score anymore than eight points a game.

623
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:40,319
Speaker 1: That's also very fair. I don't have any other good

624
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:42,640
Darius gar I don't think Portland would be into it.

625
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:45,880
Portland would be a fun Kawhi team, though, Yeah, I

626
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:48,000
think you brought them up for Kuhi. So I just

627
00:32:48,039 --> 00:32:56,920
have another quick question over under Bennecmathryn seventeen million dollars

628
00:32:57,720 --> 00:32:59,839
average annual value is next contract, you're gonna take the

629
00:32:59,880 --> 00:33:00,599
over or the under?

630
00:33:02,039 --> 00:33:04,359
Speaker 2: I would if he was an unrestricted free agent, I

631
00:33:04,359 --> 00:33:09,720
would take the over. I I still lean over. I mean,

632
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:14,400
I've been somewhat surprised by the salaries being thrown out

633
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:18,359
so far, and mostly because I just don't know where

634
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:20,400
this gap space is coming from, Like who are you

635
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:23,640
bidding against? And the answer is Detroit right now. But

636
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:25,960
at some point Detroit will make their move, and then

637
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:29,799
you know, like, yeah, I guess the nets and Bowls

638
00:33:29,839 --> 00:33:32,680
still have some money, and the Lakers hypothetically could but

639
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:38,000
also might not. But I think if you you know,

640
00:33:38,039 --> 00:33:40,839
you run the risk of if you're if you go

641
00:33:41,039 --> 00:33:43,880
much lower than that, you run the risk of the

642
00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:46,839
Quentin Grime situation last year, where he just says, no,

643
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:49,640
I'm taking the qualifying offer and I'll become an unrestricted

644
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:50,480
free agent next year.

645
00:33:51,559 --> 00:33:55,559
Speaker 1: If they're that concern about keeping flexibility open for twenty seven.

646
00:33:55,599 --> 00:33:57,200
You're not going to extend k Why that might not

647
00:33:57,279 --> 00:33:58,279
be the worst outcome.

648
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:02,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I wouldn't shock me if they just don't

649
00:34:02,599 --> 00:34:05,480
extend him and then just say, you know, we can

650
00:34:05,519 --> 00:34:08,519
revisit this. Yeah, I don't know.

651
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:13,360
Speaker 1: I think he's on the Clippers next year. I'm gonna seventeen.

652
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:15,480
I would probably still go over if you nudge that

653
00:34:15,599 --> 00:34:19,800
up to like nineteen or twenty, because Kobe White got

654
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:23,320
three and seventy four and he's just better, right, Like,

655
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:28,519
he just better. I'll take under twenty. I'll go under twenty.

656
00:34:29,599 --> 00:34:33,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean Matherin is a really good scorer, like.

657
00:34:33,559 --> 00:34:37,639
Speaker 1: Not it's a foul line for sure, yeah.

658
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:43,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, but like not super well rounded, you know, mediocre

659
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:47,639
three point shooter, not a great playmaker, like kind of

660
00:34:47,679 --> 00:34:50,599
one dimensional in that regard offensively. So I don't know

661
00:34:50,639 --> 00:34:53,800
what that archetype. Like, do you want Benedicto Matherrin as

662
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:56,280
your starter? He was for Indy, he was not for

663
00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:58,079
the Clippers.

664
00:34:57,480 --> 00:34:57,760
Speaker 1: You know.

665
00:34:59,559 --> 00:35:01,519
Speaker 2: What. I guess it really comes down to, like what

666
00:35:01,639 --> 00:35:04,760
role do the Clippers envision him playing if they want

667
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:06,639
to keep him. Do they view him as a starter.

668
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:08,360
Do they view him as a bench player, because you're

669
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:10,400
not paying twenty plus million for a bench player, you

670
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:12,519
shouldn't be. But I think he could be a long

671
00:35:12,599 --> 00:35:17,440
term starter, you know, seventeen eighteen, nineteen, twenty million dollars years.

672
00:35:17,599 --> 00:35:18,760
It's like great value.

673
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:22,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, which I just obviously short term. He could start,

674
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:24,320
and you could bring Woggler off the bench. But if

675
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:27,440
it's Woggler Garland Mathern as a three doesn't really do

676
00:35:27,559 --> 00:35:28,719
it for me.

677
00:35:30,119 --> 00:35:32,239
Speaker 2: Yeah.

678
00:35:32,679 --> 00:35:34,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I'll be back with the Clippers. I'll

679
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:36,559
take under twenty million. There's the only other thing I

680
00:35:36,559 --> 00:35:39,519
have on them is if they're keeping the band, if

681
00:35:39,519 --> 00:35:42,960
it's Kawhi, Woggler, Garland they bring back like if they

682
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:45,199
John Collins the free They need a big man, is

683
00:35:45,199 --> 00:35:47,039
what I'm getting at. It's sort of their biggest need

684
00:35:47,079 --> 00:35:49,960
to be the Zubat's replacement. They have Isaiah Jackson, they

685
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:53,800
Haveneter Hauser, who he was injured to close last year.

686
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:56,320
I think they need like a higher end type of

687
00:35:56,400 --> 00:36:01,639
big Could they be an interesting Porzingis team for Orlando's

688
00:36:01,679 --> 00:36:03,599
looking to cut money. I didn't prepare you for this.

689
00:36:03,679 --> 00:36:05,639
I'm gonna start thrown names to you fast and furious.

690
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:11,400
Wendell Carter Junior. Yeah, sure, Could they be an RW

691
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:14,199
three or Mitchell Robinson team in free agency.

692
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:17,440
Speaker 2: Just with the non tax Emily.

693
00:36:18,159 --> 00:36:19,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm assuming though, is that what? By the way,

694
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:21,320
do you think that's what they end up doing, is

695
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:23,360
working as an over the cap team.

696
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:27,559
Speaker 2: I would think so, just because they can't how much

697
00:36:27,679 --> 00:36:29,440
can they create overall?

698
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:31,880
Speaker 1: I think over thirty right, just because of all those

699
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:38,199
team options. I don't think they could definitely get to twenty.

700
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:40,000
I mean, I guess the I don't have an update

701
00:36:40,039 --> 00:36:42,639
of my thing since the Woggler salaries in there. So

702
00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:45,880
let's say I think they could definitely get to over

703
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:48,559
twenty five if they really were over twenty, if they

704
00:36:48,559 --> 00:36:51,320
wanted to. So, if you renounce everybody to get rid

705
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:55,000
of renounced John Collins to climb the team option on

706
00:36:55,000 --> 00:37:00,679
Bogdan Bodanovitch to climb Brook Lopez' his team option, renounce Mathrin, Yeah,

707
00:37:00,679 --> 00:37:02,239
you're probably. I mean, if you wanted to get rid

708
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:05,039
of so there's the Bradley Beal element you probably don't want.

709
00:37:05,079 --> 00:37:06,840
If you got rid of Chris Dunn, you could creep

710
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:10,559
up on thirty. But that's the roster's empty. Otherwise it's

711
00:37:10,639 --> 00:37:13,119
twenty something. So yeah, over the cap, I think so

712
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:15,039
to me would make the most sense.

713
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:18,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, I like, maybe declined the option on macdonovic still

714
00:37:18,679 --> 00:37:20,679
just to give themselves more breathing room under the first

715
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:23,119
apron if they need it. But yeah, I think over

716
00:37:23,119 --> 00:37:25,239
the cap would be my guess there.

717
00:37:26,639 --> 00:37:29,400
Speaker 1: So Mitchell Robinson or RW three as a placeholder, they

718
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:31,239
might be one of those guys that are willing to

719
00:37:31,599 --> 00:37:35,039
if we assume the Clippers want flexibility next season, could

720
00:37:35,039 --> 00:37:36,920
you do the one minus one. It's just a super

721
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:39,480
inflated salary for one of those guys, sort of like

722
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:41,880
what the Warriors did with Johnathan Kamingo this past year.

723
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:44,920
Speaker 2: I mean, if Mark Williams just got three for thirty eight,

724
00:37:45,559 --> 00:37:49,360
like that to me sets kind of the expectation for

725
00:37:49,519 --> 00:37:52,559
Robert Williams. I don't think he can ask for significantly

726
00:37:52,599 --> 00:37:55,679
more than that kind of the same just you know,

727
00:37:56,559 --> 00:37:59,519
nice good upside if they stay healthy. But the injury

728
00:37:59,519 --> 00:38:03,280
concerns just so rampant that I think if he's willing

729
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:06,800
to sell for you know, ideally you get him for

730
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:09,199
like less than the full non tax emily and you

731
00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:11,039
can split it between two guys.

732
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 1: What's interesting is I think Robert Williams the third is

733
00:38:14,599 --> 00:38:16,679
infinitely better than Mornin Williams.

734
00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:21,880
Speaker 2: Sure. I mean, I'm just saying from a like an

735
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:26,480
archetype of oft injured big who you aren't going to

736
00:38:26,559 --> 00:38:28,960
play a ton of minutes. You can't necessarily count on

737
00:38:29,039 --> 00:38:32,639
him as you know, the thirty five minute game guy,

738
00:38:32,679 --> 00:38:34,719
like you're going to keep him in the twenties most

739
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:37,679
likely still could start for you, but you just have

740
00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:38,840
to be very careful with him.

741
00:38:39,559 --> 00:38:42,679
Speaker 1: Do you think so Mark Williams got three for thirty eight, right,

742
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:45,320
that's the reporting is does that set the market for

743
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:48,880
Mitch Robinson too? Or do you view him as more valuable?

744
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:52,960
Speaker 2: Probably? I again, I just come back to like, where's

745
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:57,119
who's got money to spend? And you know, yes, Detroit

746
00:38:57,239 --> 00:39:00,119
is doing something behind the scenes clearly, but like if

747
00:39:00,159 --> 00:39:02,679
they're keeping Jalen Durham, they do not need to spend

748
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:05,400
fifteen million dollars on Mitchell Robinson as well. They've got

749
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:08,599
Paul Reid who played very well for them in the playoffs.

750
00:39:08,599 --> 00:39:12,800
I think they're content with that. You know, like Chicago

751
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:16,880
just got Nick Claxton, Like why are you spending more?

752
00:39:17,559 --> 00:39:17,760
You know?

753
00:39:18,199 --> 00:39:21,039
Speaker 1: Also not only they got Nick Claxton, but for quote

754
00:39:21,079 --> 00:39:22,199
unquote free.

755
00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:25,800
Speaker 2: Right, right, and like, why you know you could have

756
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:28,079
had forty plus million in cap space. Why are we

757
00:39:28,119 --> 00:39:30,039
spending it all on centers who are not going to

758
00:39:30,039 --> 00:39:31,400
be part of your long term future?

759
00:39:31,519 --> 00:39:33,840
Speaker 1: So I actually liked that trade for Chicago, but oh

760
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:34,320
I did.

761
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:36,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, but I'm saying, like if they add

762
00:39:36,679 --> 00:39:42,039
Mitch Robinson too, then they're like they've spent yea flexibility

763
00:39:42,079 --> 00:39:44,559
on to centers who are not going to fit long

764
00:39:44,639 --> 00:39:49,559
term with them. And then Brooklyn, I guess if you

765
00:39:49,599 --> 00:39:51,239
just want to stick it to the Knicks, you're just

766
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:53,639
mad that nick fever is taking.

767
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:55,679
Speaker 1: You want to reunite Mitchell Robinson and Julius Randalls, that

768
00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:58,599
your offense could be in like the forty percentile. Yeah,

769
00:39:59,039 --> 00:40:02,599
i've e yeah, why So says the Clippers could have

770
00:40:02,679 --> 00:40:03,880
Yaka Pertle for free.

771
00:40:04,199 --> 00:40:06,760
Speaker 2: That's that is a fair point. I'm sure the Raptors

772
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:08,760
would have. But yeah, I mean, that's that's probably the

773
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:09,760
Kauai deal, right.

774
00:40:13,599 --> 00:40:17,840
Speaker 1: I'm assuming the Clippers are like, that's a Ingram situation,

775
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:21,239
salary situation, right, Sure, I hope he goes to if

776
00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:23,159
they trade him. I want it to be Toronto so bad.

777
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:25,800
Speaker 2: It would be fun. I mean san Antonio would be

778
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:29,400
fun for a different reason, but yeah, like the.

779
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:30,199
Speaker 1: San Antonio would be poetic.

780
00:40:31,079 --> 00:40:35,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, and just him and Wemby, it's like two basketball terminators.

781
00:40:37,159 --> 00:40:39,519
Speaker 1: I don't I mean so Mitchell Robinson christops person. Guess

782
00:40:39,599 --> 00:40:43,079
Roblin was a third. Uh, they have Brook Lopez if

783
00:40:43,079 --> 00:40:44,719
they want to pick up the team option. I don't

784
00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:48,519
really like like vouch your Mo Wagner for them, just

785
00:40:48,519 --> 00:40:52,480
doesn't Andre Drummond, Zach Collins. I wonder if there's anyone, like,

786
00:40:52,519 --> 00:40:55,079
is there someone fun that this team could out? Here's

787
00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:57,639
because I have listed as just one of the things

788
00:40:57,679 --> 00:41:00,480
that like maybe younger wings or just another higher end

789
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:03,960
with like just with Kauhi aging out, Could they do

790
00:41:04,039 --> 00:41:06,280
the reverse we're talking about trading Kawhi. Could you do

791
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:10,559
the reverse and trade for Jalen Brown and pair him

792
00:41:10,599 --> 00:41:11,119
with Kawhi?

793
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:14,639
Speaker 2: What are you sending out?

794
00:41:15,039 --> 00:41:18,440
Speaker 1: Well, you have we established the pick situation. You just

795
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:23,559
build it around Garland as the primary money because he's

796
00:41:23,599 --> 00:41:24,679
in the forties.

797
00:41:27,599 --> 00:41:29,119
Speaker 2: And Garland's going to Boston.

798
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:34,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, they could use him, No, I mean they like

799
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:37,480
Garland and Derek Jones. I think get you just about there.

800
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:44,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, financially it would Uh yeah, I mean if you

801
00:41:44,199 --> 00:41:47,400
if you're attaching four picks that aren't going to get

802
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:56,599
revoked by the NBA, that that leaves you with two

803
00:41:56,719 --> 00:41:58,280
stud wings and nothing else.

804
00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:03,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, Fair and Woggler they're young. Yeah, although would Boston

805
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:07,440
insist on getting him for Brown? Yeah, that's yes, and

806
00:42:07,519 --> 00:42:10,400
you just can't. They have so their third highest paid. Well,

807
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:13,320
if you opted in, but Boston's not, that's not a

808
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:15,119
team like, Boston's not doing that. You'd be looking at

809
00:42:15,119 --> 00:42:17,159
a team that's like selling and you could opt in

810
00:42:17,199 --> 00:42:19,719
these guys to their team options and get oh sure

811
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:20,840
that way.

812
00:42:20,679 --> 00:42:23,280
Speaker 2: But yeah, Boston, like if they're trading Jalen Brown, they

813
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:25,480
want something very good in return.

814
00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:29,079
Speaker 1: You could. I think it would probably be super tight.

815
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:33,360
But what about Sibonis. You're not giving up Garland or

816
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:34,920
Kawhi and you're getting so bonis.

817
00:42:40,119 --> 00:42:41,800
Speaker 2: I just don't know what that does for you.

818
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:46,840
Speaker 1: His contract runs, it runs the same as Darius Garlands,

819
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:48,519
right or is he have another year on it? He

820
00:42:48,559 --> 00:42:52,800
has another year on it? Then never three years. He's

821
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:54,960
a free agent. Yeah in twenty twenty eight.

822
00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:58,360
Speaker 2: Oh okay, okay, so yeah him and Garland.

823
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:00,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh no, yeah, they lie.

824
00:43:00,079 --> 00:43:06,719
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, I mean, yeah, it would have to be Macdonovich,

825
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:10,400
Derek Jones, Brooklow, but like it, it's still it's tough

826
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:12,719
for them to get up to that money unless yeah,

827
00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:15,320
I mean if it's a sign in trade with Collins

828
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:16,920
or with Mathern.

829
00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:22,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, step King's all problematic players. I mean, not a

830
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:25,199
lot of defense. But Mamu is gonna be a free agent.

831
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:30,960
Speaker 2: He'd be interesting, sure, Yeah, I mean, like Jaques Landale

832
00:43:31,039 --> 00:43:34,760
just as a cheap flyer because I don't think they

833
00:43:35,079 --> 00:43:38,559
can really make a run like Walker Kessler. Walker Kessler

834
00:43:38,599 --> 00:43:42,199
to me feels like he's gonna potentially fly under the radar.

835
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:45,559
I know, like Utah threw five one forty him and

836
00:43:45,599 --> 00:43:48,360
he said no, and I think he might get less

837
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:53,239
now that's so I'm wondering. But like I would happily

838
00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:56,400
pay him that amount of money. I think he's gonna

839
00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:58,599
be very, very good and he just you know, no

840
00:43:58,639 --> 00:44:01,880
one watched Utah for the last couple years, but seven

841
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:06,440
to two, great shot blocker, great rebounder, and can actually

842
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:09,239
shoot the three like that. He is the archetype that

843
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:13,000
every team wants. So I don't know how the Clippers

844
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:14,000
get there actually.

845
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:16,000
Speaker 1: Shoot the three. Seems like it's doing a little bit

846
00:44:16,679 --> 00:44:22,719
too much lifting there. It's he was like tanking.

847
00:44:23,119 --> 00:44:24,599
Speaker 2: He was six of eighth this year.

848
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:26,599
Speaker 1: Can he do it on the team that's not tanking?

849
00:44:26,679 --> 00:44:28,239
And for more than eight attempts? Is how?

850
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:34,719
Speaker 2: It was eight attempts this year, seventy from three, Dan.

851
00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:40,280
Speaker 1: What I mean Milwaukee is Miles Turner. That contract goes

852
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:41,519
out longer though, so they might.

853
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:43,440
Speaker 2: Not want that, right, Yeah, that's three years.

854
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:46,159
Speaker 1: It mean, be really funny if they went the cap

855
00:44:46,199 --> 00:44:48,239
space route and then okay, so he just dumped Isaiah

856
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:50,119
Hartenstein with the team option and they sent a pick

857
00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:51,480
or some along those lines.

858
00:44:52,639 --> 00:44:54,880
Speaker 2: Incredible eaves Mace's cheap.

859
00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:59,079
Speaker 1: I don't know what New Orleans wants for him, sure U,

860
00:45:00,039 --> 00:45:02,599
I mean we're bottle of barrel here, But like Jay

861
00:45:02,679 --> 00:45:05,800
Huff or Micah Potter, now that India has Zubats, one

862
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:06,800
of them might be available.

863
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:07,639
Speaker 2: Yep.

864
00:45:08,119 --> 00:45:10,159
Speaker 1: I really don't mind the Christops play for them. I

865
00:45:10,199 --> 00:45:11,280
hope we already mentioned him.

866
00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:16,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean he's I guess if you're already dealing

867
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:20,480
with Kawhia's availability concerns, you also want to be dealing

868
00:45:20,559 --> 00:45:21,599
with Chris Tops.

869
00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:23,360
Speaker 1: That's fair, that's fair.

870
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:25,960
Speaker 2: But for the price that I mean it that all

871
00:45:26,039 --> 00:45:27,599
just depends on the price you're paying for him.

872
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:30,320
Speaker 1: What would it cost to get one. I don't think

873
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:32,280
it costs a lot to get Daniel Gafford, so that

874
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:34,960
wouldn't be a concern, but you at him. What about

875
00:45:35,199 --> 00:45:36,159
Derek Lively?

876
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:42,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that cost I have no idea same. I

877
00:45:42,559 --> 00:45:46,800
mean probably not, especially like if teams are really valuing

878
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:53,800
these twenty seven twenty nine picks more, I guess they

879
00:45:54,039 --> 00:45:59,079
twenty eight's gone already. They yeah, they swap there swaps

880
00:45:59,119 --> 00:46:03,599
in those years. But oh Clippers, well, the Clippers they

881
00:46:03,639 --> 00:46:06,679
still have like one of the three, but they can't

882
00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:11,159
trade it because they Yeah. I was gonna like if

883
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:13,840
if they had access to any of those picks, then

884
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:17,400
maybe that alone might be enough for what do you

885
00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:20,519
mean access to trading any of those?

886
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:24,119
Speaker 1: But they I mean they could trade picks though, like is.

887
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:27,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, just down the road. I was thinking, like the

888
00:46:27,039 --> 00:46:31,840
ones in the this three year window, they.

889
00:46:32,199 --> 00:46:35,239
Speaker 1: Can't trade, Like you wouldn't do least favorable because they'd

890
00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:37,599
swap with okay, see next year, Like that's not enough

891
00:46:37,599 --> 00:46:40,519
to get in the door for Derek Lively with his

892
00:46:40,559 --> 00:46:42,760
injury history.

893
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:45,800
Speaker 2: Probably not because Okay, I mean that swap is going

894
00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:47,599
to be twenty nine or thirty.

895
00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:49,960
Speaker 1: Mostly, Yeah, that is Yeah, that's not something I could Yeah, good,

896
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:52,760
good call, good call. And the twenty nine swaps with

897
00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:54,639
Philly though, that might be a little bit more interesting.

898
00:46:56,239 --> 00:47:01,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean that one. So it would be

899
00:47:01,559 --> 00:47:06,440
worst of Philly or Clippers, and then Dallas would have

900
00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:08,599
the right to swap with them.

901
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:11,440
Speaker 1: Well does Dallia? Well can you even trade swat which

902
00:47:11,519 --> 00:47:13,880
years is Dallas without picks because they don't control their

903
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:15,599
own pick again until twenty and thirty one.

904
00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:20,000
Speaker 2: That's a fair point. Dallas Isallas, it's twenty nine.

905
00:47:20,039 --> 00:47:22,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, the Lakers, yep, so that's not happening.

906
00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:27,840
Speaker 2: All right, twenty seven to Charlotte, So yeah, we're all right.

907
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:30,239
So yeah, it might have to be a twenty thirty

908
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:33,880
three or whatever they could do twenty thirty one.

909
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:38,199
Speaker 1: That would leave me believe they think that the investigation

910
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:39,719
is not going to play out in their favor and

911
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:44,880
they're just burning first.

912
00:47:43,679 --> 00:47:46,239
Speaker 2: I mean, honestly, not the craziest strategy.

913
00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:48,559
Speaker 1: Well, but also there's is there anything really that the

914
00:47:48,639 --> 00:47:51,719
NBA can't like, we're just operating seven years into the future,

915
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:54,440
can't the NBA just say well, fuck you twenty thirty four,

916
00:47:54,559 --> 00:47:57,000
twenty thirty five, like you don't have first round picks.

917
00:47:57,079 --> 00:47:59,920
Speaker 2: Probably I would imagine that's exactly how it would go.

918
00:48:01,519 --> 00:48:03,440
Speaker 1: Anything else on this team. Would you like to wrap

919
00:48:03,519 --> 00:48:05,079
up with a prediction of do we think? Do we

920
00:48:05,119 --> 00:48:08,199
already say I think Kawhi and Garland are both staying

921
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:09,840
with the Clippers, or I would at least frame it

922
00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:11,719
as I think Jalen Brown's more likely to get traded

923
00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:13,039
than Kawhi Leonard I.

924
00:48:13,039 --> 00:48:16,719
Speaker 2: Would agree with that. Yeah, I think this is like

925
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:22,320
a you know what, teams are registering interests, and if

926
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:25,960
the Clippers decide to pivot, there will be a fairly

927
00:48:26,039 --> 00:48:30,440
robust market for Kawhi. But yes, I don't think they

928
00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:34,559
feel a burning desire to move him unless contract talks

929
00:48:34,679 --> 00:48:37,199
go south in the next few days or weeks, or

930
00:48:37,199 --> 00:48:38,199
whatever the case may be.

931
00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:41,880
Speaker 1: This was great. Now you forget almost two hours. I

932
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:43,679
didn't realize we're going that long. Thank you so much

933
00:48:43,719 --> 00:48:46,239
for all your time. As always, mister Tuporiki, we're able

934
00:48:46,239 --> 00:48:48,199
just to tell our listeners they can find you and

935
00:48:48,239 --> 00:48:49,639
all the fantastic work that you do.

936
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Speaker 2: For sure you can find me. Blue Sky at B

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T O P O R e. K Forbes and fan

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Sided for general NBA coverage, Liberty Ballers for Sixers, silver

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screening role for Lakers. Have been just churning out stuff

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this week, and I have a very poorly time vacation

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coming up on Sunday, but something tells me I will

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still be writing at night through the vacation, so I'm

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sure plenty coming out next week as this madness continues

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to take over our lives. But thank you as always

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for having me Dan always always fun and keep sending

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these overvalued LaMelo trade proposals and my dams.

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Speaker 1: Please, happy vacation, happy upcoming anniversary. I hope you were

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able to get a break, somewhat of a break amid

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the tumult that is to come, And thanks as always

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for your time until next time. I think you ever

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wrote the chant out to the one, the only, the indelible,

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you know what, worth way more than he was traded

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for LaMelo ball