Speaker 1: Welcome to episode five fifty nine five and is Thursday,
Speaker 1: July second. I'm your host, Critic Goldstein, joined as usual
Speaker 1: by Patrick Dubuque and Jeffrey pattern Ostro. Where are we
Speaker 1: on the banter front, gentlemen.
Speaker 2: I've just been watching more of the World Cup. It's
Speaker 2: pretty much what I do.
Speaker 1: I am. It wasn't a red card, jeff So, I.
Speaker 2: Was actually going to bring that up because I am not,
Speaker 2: you know, as I have followed soccer for a long time.
Speaker 1: I am.
Speaker 2: I guess one of the people somewhat in charge of
Speaker 2: a national supporters group. I'm in the West app group
Speaker 2: for it, And but I don't like the gate keep
Speaker 2: this stuff. The World Cup's fun. It's good that, like,
Speaker 2: you don't have to commit to anything for soccer past
Speaker 2: this summer. I don't expect you to pick up like
Speaker 2: a Premier League team or an MLS team or whatever.
Speaker 2: But it does kind of annoy me when like Colin
Speaker 2: Cowher is out here talking about soccer without like knowing
Speaker 2: the rules at all.
Speaker 1: Like, right, it's not it's not the fans, but like
Speaker 1: Colin Coward is not a fan, right, He's he's pretending
Speaker 1: to be a source of of knowledge.
Speaker 2: Sure, but like it was it was. Look, I would
Speaker 2: not have called it a red card, but it is
Speaker 2: red cardibal, I guess because like intent doesn't matter in
Speaker 2: this case, it's where are the studs? And is there
Speaker 2: enough force?
Speaker 1: Okay, so I thought, I mean I and again this
Speaker 1: is something I don't know. I thought intent does matter
Speaker 1: in some capacity, and also like it.
Speaker 2: If they weren't, if they were going to give him
Speaker 2: like three games for violent it's not violent contact content conduct, sorry,
Speaker 2: but it's it's you know, it's reckless. It is you
Speaker 2: gotta be in short, it's high up on the leg.
Speaker 2: You got to know where your studs are. Like I
Speaker 2: would not personally have given it as a red card,
Speaker 2: but once they went to bar, like didn't slow motion,
Speaker 2: it was going to be a red under their rules.
Speaker 1: Okay. I I just it felt a lot like the
Speaker 1: flagrant one versus Flagrant two in the NBA, which is
Speaker 1: like intent also doesn't matter, right to be a flagrant
Speaker 1: want one, but it kind of does. I know I'm
Speaker 1: going off memory. I think it does for flagrant two
Speaker 1: or ken sorry doesn't have to, but it can. And
Speaker 1: like it was definitely a car right, like it's yeah,
Speaker 1: it was reckless.
Speaker 2: Sure, right and once you just once you go to
Speaker 2: review it, you have to look at it and be like, Okay,
Speaker 2: the studs are high on like if it's a tackle,
Speaker 2: and I know it's not a tackle, but yeah, if
Speaker 2: the studs are that high on the ankle with that
Speaker 2: much force, it's going to generally get called as a
Speaker 2: red card. I didn't think it was a red card,
Speaker 2: but I think once they went to the once var
Speaker 2: called him over, he didn't really have a choice. But yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't know, Like it's just like I get it right,
Speaker 2: Like Belegan's having a great World Cup. He's gonna be
Speaker 2: out for Belgium. Now it's it sucks, but that's I
Speaker 2: guess that's the hardest part, right, Like the US can
Speaker 2: take me being a true soccer country. Now they've been
Speaker 2: screwed over by the refs in a major tournament, right,
Speaker 2: Like that's that they They've never been good enough to
Speaker 2: actually get screwed over by the rest of a major tournament.
Speaker 1: Now, was like, I'm coming at this. I honestly like,
Speaker 1: I don't even I root for Argentina. So I have
Speaker 1: since I was since my dad brought me home a
Speaker 1: body stud to Jersey when I was very little, Like
Speaker 1: I so there's this is not like homersm for me.
Speaker 1: I just it's accommodation of not fully knowing the rules
Speaker 1: to you can look at it, it didn't feel that way.
Speaker 2: You can look at it in comparison to the messy
Speaker 2: tackle in the first game too, right, like where he
Speaker 2: comes in studs up and I guess like that, I
Speaker 2: think that should have been a yellow too, Like there
Speaker 2: wasn't a lot of force behind it. It was just
Speaker 2: it was clumsy more than violent, which I think was
Speaker 2: true to an extent with the balligan.
Speaker 1: But I do get they don't want people going in.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like it's like it's like, you know, it's like
Speaker 2: a it's not really a stomp, right, but it kind of.
Speaker 3: Like it was.
Speaker 1: It was just it was a stomp in terms of
Speaker 1: what actually happened. But like he he wasn't. They were
Speaker 1: trying to do something else and got like tangled, right,
Speaker 1: And you'd like you'd like.
Speaker 2: The referees little more discretion. Especially that's what that's where
Speaker 2: I can well cup where they're not calling, they're really
Speaker 2: letting them play. Yeah this world generally, Yeah.
Speaker 1: The US players got we're getting mugged out there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it was kind of like, oh, they're letting.
Speaker 2: Him play, okay, letting him play right, But like it's
Speaker 2: again if it's like body to body for the most part,
Speaker 2: like people have been coming through the backs of guys.
Speaker 2: Like you've seen a lot of like midfielders and fours
Speaker 2: come through the back of other midfielders in the middle
Speaker 2: like try to get in the ball, and usually like
Speaker 2: if they if you come through the back of guy,
Speaker 2: even if you've managed to like loose the ball and
Speaker 2: you knock them over, it's generally called yes. I found
Speaker 2: they're just not calling they're letting them. They're letting them
Speaker 2: play pretty physical in this World Cup, which is fine
Speaker 2: as long as it's consistent, right, I mean, but overall
Speaker 2: it's been like all these games have been great outside
Speaker 2: of frank Sweden, but like all these knockout games have
Speaker 2: been like just dramatic, generally well played. I mean, I
Speaker 2: know Paraguay Germany wasn't it was traumatic to watch, but
Speaker 2: it was like it was uh engaged, it was engrossing
Speaker 2: in a way. Yeah, Like it's not even I'm not
Speaker 2: even saying that it's for this, it's for the sickos. Right,
Speaker 2: it's like to go soccer. Yeah, in a lot of ways,
Speaker 2: like it's they call it hair and ball, but like
Speaker 2: it's just Paraguay is going to make this.
Speaker 1: Door was pretty It was over quickly.
Speaker 2: It was over quickly. The Mexico didn't play great, Like
Speaker 2: had some chances to get back in it late in
Speaker 2: the first and just didn't really. But yeah, I'm a
Speaker 2: little in the an. I'm a little disappointed at how
Speaker 2: much it's playing to chalk, even though the chalk is
Speaker 2: generally taking unusual ways to get there in a lot
Speaker 2: of cases.
Speaker 1: Look at looking at you Belgium.
Speaker 2: Okay, at England, looking at you England, England. Yeah, uh
Speaker 2: so we'll see.
Speaker 1: We're gonna have to wake up Patrick. Patrick does not
Speaker 1: Patrick does not consume soccer. Patrick, do you have any panther.
Speaker 3: I'm going to provide an antidote for your guys' discussion
Speaker 3: and return us to a couple of pieces of old favorites,
Speaker 3: coffee and seltzer chat. Okay, First of all, I just
Speaker 3: want to report that my mother and law gave me
Speaker 3: a mug which was entitled mug for a Father's Day.
Speaker 3: That's a self heating Yeah, mataining, which means that my
Speaker 3: instant coffee is always the perfect temperature. I don't know
Speaker 3: if I'm appreciating coffee with Mug the way.
Speaker 2: That she maybe I did enjoy. On Monday, Patrick's like, well,
Speaker 2: I'm not taking the kids to camp, so I can
Speaker 2: start a little early. But I'm well, I'm fine, I
Speaker 2: gotta make coffee, and Patrick's like, so do I And
Speaker 2: I almost text right about like yours is going to
Speaker 2: be done before mine.
Speaker 3: Patrick, Well, I could have been early and just put
Speaker 3: it in Mug. I forgot the other thing. I take
Speaker 3: less pleasure in reporting that there is a I've tried
Speaker 3: a couple of new Seltzer flavors this week. Waterloo has
Speaker 3: come out. I know, Waterloo being perhaps the least popular
Speaker 3: Seltzer company among the group, and I see it.
Speaker 2: I think I've gotten it once or twice, but yeah,
Speaker 2: it's pretty far down order for me.
Speaker 3: It's the most selter like, it's got the most flavor.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, it's complicated because that's mixing an actual juice.
Speaker 3: I know it is. Yeah. Yeah. So the first one
Speaker 3: I tried was a melon mix that had watermelon candle
Speaker 3: open and honey downey.
Speaker 1: Do you thank you, Jeff, Thank you, Jeff.
Speaker 3: That was a correct flavor.
Speaker 1: Listeners could not see. But Jeff, I wouldn't call it
Speaker 1: total disgust, but it was a combination of disgust and disappointment.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there was some brief confused asperation.
Speaker 3: In minds is that it was a buy three, get
Speaker 3: three free situation.
Speaker 1: And so I a melon, get three different ones.
Speaker 3: I did because I don't I don't want to get
Speaker 3: the three of the same ones. I'll get sick of them.
Speaker 3: I always a variety is important, and so I'm not
Speaker 3: going to buy the melon one again.
Speaker 2: But I mean, halfway through the canon one can of melon,
Speaker 2: I would be sick of it.
Speaker 3: So it's it's definitely one of those ones where you
Speaker 3: have to drink it cold and FI gets.
Speaker 2: Warm thrown out just you know, drink warm seltzer.
Speaker 3: Well, because I'm slow nurse things, you know, I'm working.
Speaker 1: He needs he needs a mug for seltzer.
Speaker 3: But man.
Speaker 1: Can.
Speaker 3: But the flavor I have now it's called banana blaring
Speaker 3: berry bliss.
Speaker 2: No, absolutely, this is the must it is.
Speaker 3: That was Pat Patrickson Banana berry bliss. So it's strawberry
Speaker 3: orange and banana.
Speaker 1: Oh, that's that's okay. I mean that's a normal combination
Speaker 1: of flavors, but I don't want it for Seltzer.
Speaker 2: I want banana flavored Seltzer.
Speaker 3: Well it is very banana forward.
Speaker 1: Yeah, not that bad, pretty, I will tell you this. Well,
Speaker 1: while we're I wasn't playing on talking about this, but
Speaker 1: we on my vacation, we ordered the children a lot
Speaker 1: of smoothies because it was just like a lower whatever.
Speaker 1: They were into the smoothies. It's got some fruit in it,
Speaker 1: it's vacation whatever. Easy, it's easy. My younger child, for
Speaker 1: whatever reason, just opened up with a banana smoothie, which I.
Speaker 3: Was like, they're all bananas movies. No No. It was
Speaker 3: usually like is the reagent of smoothie? No?
Speaker 1: No, But it was like a virgin dackery kind of thing.
Speaker 1: So it was it was just like strawberry you can
Speaker 1: so what right? Yeah? And I was like, oh, that's
Speaker 1: not an order I would ever have thought to make.
Speaker 1: I really liked it, very good, really good, and it
Speaker 1: has resulted in my uh my fortieth birthday is coming
Speaker 1: up later this month, and my wife said, for me,
Speaker 1: even though it's really for the children, has now acquired
Speaker 1: a smoothie machine. Yes, a one off product that will
Speaker 1: take up not desk space, but counter space until it
Speaker 1: and it takes up shelf space somewhere else. Gage I'm
Speaker 1: sounding upset about it. I'm not upset.
Speaker 2: You're going to enjoy it for like a couple of
Speaker 2: months and then get bored with.
Speaker 1: It exactly, But I'm looking forward to the enjoying it.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So I'm honestly pretty I really enjoyed the banana aspect
Speaker 1: of it. So I don't know that I would necessarily
Speaker 1: hate this, but I don't want it in a seltzer.
Speaker 2: I feel like to like, obviously then it's all natural
Speaker 2: flavors or whatever, but I feel like the chemical they
Speaker 2: used for the banana is like very It doesn't like
Speaker 2: it's it's like very distinctively.
Speaker 3: Well yeah, I mean baa, it's not right.
Speaker 2: It's identifiably banana, but it's not actually banana, right, it's
Speaker 2: run banana thing.
Speaker 3: It's runs yellow banana. Yeah, yes, yes, And I don't
Speaker 3: mind that foot it's candy. It's not banana.
Speaker 1: But like the shirt, all right, they're calling it the
Speaker 1: longest banter of all time.
Speaker 2: It really isn't.
Speaker 1: It's up there, but it didn't we didn't even get
Speaker 1: into our prepod discussion of the minions. I'm sorry to.
Speaker 3: The Banana of movies.
Speaker 1: At this point, I feel like, are they banana? What's
Speaker 1: happening anyway? Our first segment Willson possibly a bit too
Speaker 1: lighthearted a title for the content, but I go with
Speaker 1: what's in front of me. I'm not fully Ron Burgundy,
Speaker 1: but close enough. Wilson Contreras has gotten into it again.
Speaker 1: I will tell you the sequence of events here was
Speaker 1: that in my experience of this was hearing about it
Speaker 1: from a group chat. Yeah, and be the group chat
Speaker 1: kind of being like, we understand Wilson Contreras is playing
Speaker 1: with his emotions. He always plays with emotions out his sleeve.
Speaker 1: His emotions are the most right now because of what's
Speaker 1: going on in Venezuela. Certainly understanding that.
Speaker 2: Ejected from the previous game as well, arguing, oh.
Speaker 1: I had missed I had missed that so and and
Speaker 1: that is certainly understandable. They were like that being said,
Speaker 1: like he's now charged the mound, like this guy really
Speaker 1: always gets into it, and and I will I you know,
Speaker 1: I said kind of like I wonder what caused it?
Speaker 1: Like what what was said to happen here. Uh turns
Speaker 1: out Wilson Contreras was not really in the rock in
Speaker 1: this one. I mean like maybe don't charge the mound
Speaker 1: and throw your helmet, but also not a respectful turn
Speaker 1: of phrase from Cade Cavali of the Nationals, who had
Speaker 1: struck him out. He said, sit down, boy, yes, was
Speaker 1: would anyone like to come.
Speaker 2: I don't want to be like you can't do that,
Speaker 2: white baby, but like you guy, like outside of everything else, right,
Speaker 2: You've been in the league for like three months and
Speaker 2: Wilsonaturius is like a ten years multiple All Star games, Like,
Speaker 2: there are rules for this, right, I really I don't
Speaker 2: want to. Don't we get into the you know, the overtone.
Speaker 1: I don't want to come off as as excusing away
Speaker 1: the overtones or anything like that because they're not like he.
Speaker 1: The reality is he has to know better ahead of this, right.
Speaker 1: I want to put that first and foremost. I can
Speaker 1: understand a scenario where if he doesn't know better, and
Speaker 1: again he can't. He can't not know better, that's inexcusable, right,
Speaker 1: But if he doesn't, like just a exclamatory like sit down,
Speaker 1: you know, like yourself to your to yourself kind of
Speaker 1: thing to pump yourself up. I can, I can halfway
Speaker 1: understands that, sure, right halfway. But to Jeff's point, you've
Speaker 1: been you've barely been here, well like you don't you
Speaker 1: don't get to yell that. You don't get to yell
Speaker 1: that to somebody, especially loud enough to someone else that's
Speaker 1: they can hear it, right like, And it wasn't. I'm
Speaker 1: saying I can halfly understand to yourself, but it was
Speaker 1: not to himself.
Speaker 2: No, Like I think I believe wasn't have to know
Speaker 2: the content wasn't terrist is going to sit down, well
Speaker 2: maybe not as quickly, ask what was the the was it?
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's skyper Cruco, but the sit
Speaker 1: down meet yeah yeah, right, like they'll they'll do the exclamatory.
Speaker 1: But if you're the pitcher saying it to the batter
Speaker 1: you just did, you're gonna start some ship.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And it was like one of those he uh, I
Speaker 2: think if he got up like two there's like two
Speaker 2: zero in the count. There was a close pitch that
Speaker 2: got called a ball, they challenged it, got it overturned,
Speaker 2: and Coturis's is like, oh yeah, okay, sure he's like
Speaker 2: looking at the screen eye on top of the down
Speaker 2: five and then he eventually gets him looking on I
Speaker 2: think a breaking ball at that edge his own and
Speaker 2: like it's like it's a slow strike call night no,
Speaker 2: but not even that, but just like and like he is.
Speaker 2: I think it was three two. So he starts kind
Speaker 2: of taking a step towards first right, and he gets
Speaker 2: run up like and like, and then he says sit down, boy,
Speaker 2: and like conturist like kind of does he doesn't, like,
Speaker 2: are you talking to me? Yeah? And I think I
Speaker 2: think he says it again. Oh, I think there's this
Speaker 2: like I think the conturist thinks he said thought he
Speaker 2: started just like a tire from like that and then
Speaker 2: it kicks off right, And generally, I.
Speaker 3: Think you should get out of the habit of calling
Speaker 3: thirty four year old men boy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I get it he's from Oklahoma, right, I'm
Speaker 2: sure this is.
Speaker 3: Just like this. Yeah, And sometimes the whole concept of
Speaker 3: you know, you should think this is a lot of
Speaker 3: people hopefully know better.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well I was. I think it's it's just I
Speaker 1: don't know. Perhaps I'm being nice, right, and that's fine,
Speaker 1: but like I think it's more a turn of phrase
Speaker 1: than than like.
Speaker 2: And I'm sure he has been going back to high
Speaker 2: school or what.
Speaker 1: The turn of phrase has a history, right, That is
Speaker 1: the part I don't want. I'm not excusing it. I
Speaker 1: want to be very clear. I think I don't think
Speaker 1: he was saying like I don't think he was trying
Speaker 1: to belittle him other than like in the competitive arena,
Speaker 1: right of just saying like I got you, go sit
Speaker 1: down whatever.
Speaker 2: But like again, yeah, like you, I don't I guess
Speaker 2: on some level you can be unaware of this if
Speaker 2: you're a baseball player from Oklahoma, but and like look, but.
Speaker 1: Also like being from Oklahoma is inform me and it's
Speaker 1: you know that.
Speaker 3: Probably seeing some people say it ironically exactly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so look, obviously a bad situation. Cavali did
Speaker 1: come out and apologize after. I guess Paul Toboni, the head,
Speaker 1: the head of operations, I don't know his official title,
Speaker 1: the Nationals talk to him. So Bonie also talked to
Speaker 1: the media. Cavali's talked to the media. Well, I guess
Speaker 1: he apologized to the media. I think at the time
Speaker 1: I had seen he had not contacted which he probably
Speaker 1: should yea, I shouldn't say, probably he definitely should.
Speaker 3: This is if I see him, I will make sure
Speaker 3: he knows that's what he said.
Speaker 1: If I see him, yeah, you're playing again at the
Speaker 1: time phone number from somebody at.
Speaker 2: The time again, they are playing again, that he can
Speaker 2: walk over to the locker room by the next that's right,
Speaker 2: it wasn't playing again.
Speaker 1: But if I see him, it's tomorrow.
Speaker 3: Maybe he has. Yeah, but at the time he had not,
Speaker 3: and he said, Uh, I hope he hears this and
Speaker 3: understands that this is not intended at all. I think
Speaker 3: he knows that. But if I see him, I want
Speaker 3: to make sure he knows that. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So I think this is this was a better apology
Speaker 1: than I expected, or a better statement of understanding. Maybe
Speaker 1: not an apology, but then I expected. I wouldn't say
Speaker 1: it was ideal. But perhaps my expectations are just that low.
Speaker 1: I think it gets uncomfortable when we talked when there's
Speaker 1: a focus on intent, right, like Cavali said, there was
Speaker 1: no ill intention. I think I've used this before, but
Speaker 1: like I don't care if you drop a vase or
Speaker 1: throw a vase. The vase is broken, right, like you
Speaker 1: got to put it together, and then you put it
Speaker 1: together and it's not whole, right, Like you're going to
Speaker 1: be missing pieces the damage, the damage is done. He
Speaker 1: did also focus on the damage in the longer statement, right,
Speaker 1: he talked about being hurt thinking about a black child
Speaker 1: in DC who would be a fan of the Nationals,
Speaker 1: a fan of him, and letting that person down. I
Speaker 1: think that outward focus is missing from the vast majority
Speaker 1: of these kinds of statements of understanding. I don't know
Speaker 1: what else to call it, right.
Speaker 3: But.
Speaker 1: So to my mind, like even just getting to that
Speaker 1: was better than most. Again, I'm not saying it's all
Speaker 1: the way.
Speaker 2: There, but I like peak for Armstrong did right.
Speaker 3: We're gender in because I think one of the funny
Speaker 3: things about this is that this apology and a later
Speaker 3: apology will reach in the show both use the same
Speaker 3: exact expression, which is this will never happen again, right,
Speaker 3: which is at least something that you can now you
Speaker 3: can now verify that that is something you can actually confirm,
Speaker 3: as opposed to if somebody were hurt, then you know,
Speaker 3: then I feel bad for that, Right, there's some sort
Speaker 3: of quantifiable, confirmable you know, you know, reaction, right, Jared
Speaker 3: Duran did not say that and then did it again.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I do think you know, there's a lot
Speaker 1: there is a lot of focus on you know, himself,
Speaker 1: like I don't you know, I don't want people thinking
Speaker 1: this about me, which is understandable, right, But the fact
Speaker 1: that there was the outward focus of of harm right
Speaker 1: caused or or even potentially caused, and and you know,
Speaker 1: he he came out and said there's a history behind
Speaker 1: the word and and like, I didn't intend it, but
Speaker 1: it's there. It's more understanding than you get from from
Speaker 1: a lot of these people. Was kind of the way
Speaker 1: I saw it. And and maybe that's on my part,
Speaker 1: kind of the bigotry of lowered expectations in this case.
Speaker 1: But it does seem like he was trying right. And
Speaker 1: to your point Patrick saying like it'll never happen again,
Speaker 1: is we'll see, certainly. But it's at least aspirationally towards growth.
Speaker 3: Right. It's a confirmation that he accepts that what he
Speaker 3: did was wrong and not that he just got got right. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it turns out that means a lot these days. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I know, uh so that I don't know anything else
Speaker 3: we want to talk about.
Speaker 2: It contrasts having like the phenom of his career, like
Speaker 2: depending on how you I guess, depending on how you
Speaker 2: judge his defense in Chicago. But yeah, he's having a
Speaker 2: absolutely phenomenal season, and it feels like we mostly there's
Speaker 2: two things going on here, right, Like he has been
Speaker 2: at the center of like even before this, right, the
Speaker 2: stuff with Milwaukee and then you know, the Red Sox,
Speaker 2: not the Red Sox being bad and being bad in
Speaker 2: a way that that sort of overrides anything like the
Speaker 2: story of the Red Sox is not going to include
Speaker 2: Wilson Contrasts just having the best seat of his career. Right,
Speaker 2: it's going there's too much else going on.
Speaker 3: No, there's too much dysfunction that you know, the part
Speaker 3: of Wilson, this part of Wilson Contraras will be the
Speaker 3: storyline of Wilson Contreras this year.
Speaker 2: Right, because it also kind of fits in with the
Speaker 2: you know, the story of him getting into it with
Speaker 2: the Brewers and again not his fault getting into it
Speaker 2: with the Nats is more endemic of what's going on
Speaker 2: in Boston this year. Writ large, I think than you're
Speaker 2: having a nine hundred ohps.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just to speak to your point on the
Speaker 1: best year of his career, he has not had the
Speaker 1: best the most war already in terms of reference for
Speaker 1: he's at three point two in eighty three games. He
Speaker 1: has done that before. Actually, he had three in eighty
Speaker 1: four games in twenty twenty four with Saint Louis. But
Speaker 1: his top is four point two in twenty twenty one
Speaker 1: in Chicago.
Speaker 2: That was the year JD. Martinez is like broke his
Speaker 2: wrist too, right, I think that's right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but he it is by far like he has
Speaker 1: got a one fifty five ops plus That would be
Speaker 1: by far his the highest of his career and against
Speaker 1: eighty three games if he stays healthy. Not not a given,
Speaker 1: but if he stays healthy, this is very likely going
Speaker 1: to be the best of his career. And again you
Speaker 1: could argue I'm using reference bar his his catching defense
Speaker 1: was not always well thought of. It's possible that four
Speaker 1: point two for his his top mark thus far over
Speaker 1: states somewhat. If you want to factor in the defense,
Speaker 1: let's go to our second segment. It's not so peachy.
Speaker 1: Atlanta is backsliding, yeah, I mean he continues to be
Speaker 1: back in years.
Speaker 2: Right, Like I think some of this was there's like
Speaker 2: the idea of you know, oh, Atlanta's regressing. Well, it'
Speaker 2: supposed to aggression towards the mean, and I don't know,
Speaker 2: like the mean's gonna be pretty loud to me.
Speaker 3: And yeah, well they won the game by more than
Speaker 3: two runs. They did for the first time since June sixth, so.
Speaker 1: They they are still in the lead in the NL East.
Speaker 1: That lead has dwindled to two and a half games
Speaker 1: over Philadelphia. I don't think we we've talked about we
Speaker 1: update the divisional status fairly frequently. Whatever I feel like
Speaker 1: I said at some point, like I don't think Philly
Speaker 1: is out of it for the division hunt. I don't
Speaker 1: remember if we talked about something where we said like
Speaker 1: who would you rather be and and one of us
Speaker 1: might have picked. It might have been Jeffrey picking Philly
Speaker 1: or something like that.
Speaker 3: I I.
Speaker 1: I think I'd rather be Philly at.
Speaker 2: This I think right now I would.
Speaker 1: I think it's easy to say when they're backsliding in
Speaker 1: the ways that would concern you, right because it's Bryce
Speaker 1: Elder not outperforming.
Speaker 2: It's if you told me halfway through the season the
Speaker 2: Brewers were two and a half games up on the
Speaker 2: Phillies and be like, what happened to the Mets. Okay,
Speaker 2: that kind of makes that that kind of makes like
Speaker 2: it makes it's like, this is a reasonable projection based
Speaker 2: on what you knew about these teams going into the season. Right, Yes,
Speaker 2: it's just how they've gotten there is very but it's
Speaker 2: a long season. Like order of operations does matter to
Speaker 2: an extent.
Speaker 3: Koda has been function tied, yeah.
Speaker 2: And I think that's and again they don't. I mean,
Speaker 2: I'm sure Coda thinks that like Bryce Elder isn't actually good,
Speaker 2: which Bryce Elder now isn't actually good. You know, Raynaldo
Speaker 2: Lopez starts back in the rotation, so I know he's
Speaker 2: like piggybacking. It was him and Hurston Waldrip last night.
Speaker 2: Grant Holmes is hanging around too, and has been.
Speaker 1: He's been sliding from from a decent start. It's also
Speaker 1: the thing is it's not just the pitching, right right. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Don Smith has been he was very good. Yeah, for
Speaker 1: a while he has not been good.
Speaker 2: Baldwin hasn't been good since he came back from his injury, like.
Speaker 1: Michael Harris has been struggling of late. Matt Olsen, I'm
Speaker 1: not worried about NodD Olsen. He's been fine. But he
Speaker 1: was like, you know, one eighty ops plus territory and
Speaker 1: he's down to one thirty nine, right, Like, right, maybe
Speaker 1: one eighty is overstating, but even one sixty five, right,
Speaker 1: there's a big difference in that that quality play. Again,
Speaker 1: I'm not worried about madd Olson. Drake Baldwin set the
Speaker 1: world on fire and got hurt, came back homeward and
Speaker 1: then has been bad. Yeah, And again I don't think
Speaker 1: Drake Baldwin is going to be bad. Like I don't
Speaker 1: think Drake Baldwin is bad. It's a difference between some
Speaker 1: of these And and Bryce Eld, the Bryce Elder kind
Speaker 1: of scenario, but it is a little bit cubssh where
Speaker 1: like the whole lineup was producing yeah, and then it wasn't.
Speaker 1: And again, the numbers still look pretty good because of
Speaker 1: how long everyone was producing, but they're going through a
Speaker 1: stretch where basically on one is is doing Now.
Speaker 2: The Cubs are just Dansby Swanson, so it's fine.
Speaker 1: And and Austin Riley was playing the role of Alex
Speaker 1: Bregman where yeah, is not producing.
Speaker 3: But brave said said at this point, who was still
Speaker 3: essential is still yeah, three hundred and three forty four
Speaker 3: five July.
Speaker 1: First, it's July soon.
Speaker 2: And first, Matt Olsen has been fine, Like he's been fine.
Speaker 1: No, he's he's been good, but he was fantastic. Oh
Speaker 1: you mean over the I looked at like the last
Speaker 1: two weeks or whatever, it's seemed the ops in the
Speaker 1: seven hundreds. It's fine.
Speaker 2: So yeah, Austin Riley has been has slugged two fifty
Speaker 2: in the last month. Mike strampsk gives slugged two fourteen
Speaker 2: in the last month. Dominic Smith has slug two fifty
Speaker 2: in the last month and has been way worse than that.
Speaker 2: Hasn't played a time.
Speaker 1: But yeah, do I get to victory has on Kim
Speaker 1: at this point, I don't.
Speaker 3: I mean, nobody is an thirty six hitter.
Speaker 1: No, obviously not. And it's it's I guess I shouldn't.
Speaker 1: It's eighty two plate appearances. But like, no, my issue
Speaker 1: was they re signed him at a at a four
Speaker 1: million dollar rate, like I couldn't believe. I couldn't believe
Speaker 1: he declined his option for sixteen million dollars, and then
Speaker 1: I really couldn't believe that he got more money plant
Speaker 1: hit and I don't obviously I don't think he's this bad,
Speaker 1: but like he can't hit.
Speaker 2: Don Smith last year with the Giants hit two eighty four,
Speaker 2: three thirty three, four seventeen in two hundred and twenty
Speaker 2: real appearances.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's not bad.
Speaker 2: This year for the Braves, he's hit two seventy nine,
Speaker 2: three twenty two, four fifteen in two hundred and three
Speaker 2: plate appearances. He's just gotten there in a.
Speaker 1: In a much more bifurcated way.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like the whole team has been by, Like it's
Speaker 2: it is rare that everybody is over their head for
Speaker 2: two months and then everybody is under their head underwater
Speaker 2: for a month, right, Like it's just very unusual.
Speaker 1: It really is.
Speaker 2: The Cubs it is experience customies at like four different times.
Speaker 3: And what's funny is that usually if you look at
Speaker 3: DRC by month, generally, what you find is that everybody
Speaker 3: is exactly the same every month, Like it goes from
Speaker 3: one oh three to one oh one to ninety nine
Speaker 3: or something. The Braves have the worst DRC in baseball
Speaker 3: since June first, it's eighty five. Like it's not just
Speaker 3: that things aren't falling in.
Speaker 2: They're not I mean, they're striking out a lot.
Speaker 3: Austin Riley, you know something needs to be done at
Speaker 3: this point.
Speaker 2: Well, he's got a lot of money coming Patrick, he's
Speaker 2: ninety nine. Yeah, I was.
Speaker 1: I literally was saying the same thing in the same one.
Speaker 3: It is seriously, Zeno's paradox for War. He's going from
Speaker 3: six to three to one and a half and now
Speaker 3: he'll be lucky to get two point seven. Like it's
Speaker 3: it's kind of incredible. He has twenty two point six
Speaker 3: war for his career and he might just stop there.
Speaker 3: That might be it. It doesn't. He seems totally lost.
Speaker 3: It's hard is getting like this guy like three years.
Speaker 2: In a row, someone like Riley right, Like thinking back
Speaker 2: to him as a prospect, and he was a very
Speaker 2: good prospect. The questions were sort of like can you
Speaker 2: play third? And will you make enough contact? And I
Speaker 2: do wonder if he got there, he got like the
Speaker 2: whatever coaching and strength training athletic games you can get
Speaker 2: in your early twenties, and now he's just losing them
Speaker 2: and going back to that guy they can't really hit
Speaker 2: or play third, Like he's just an early peak athleticism
Speaker 2: guy and he doesn't have the other skills to sort
Speaker 2: of ameliorate the loss of athleticism. I haven't looked at
Speaker 2: like his, and he's been He's had some significant injuries
Speaker 2: in here too. I don't think you can handway of
Speaker 2: that as well. I have not looked at the.
Speaker 3: Well, almost everybody who finishes twenty nine is yeah, fair enough.
Speaker 3: The thing is that I like, the first thing that
Speaker 3: I thought of seeing this is Morgan Ensburg. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and Morgan Ininsburg made the all starting team at twenty nine.
Speaker 3: Of course he got started later, so so late. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but yeah, he was done at thirty.
Speaker 2: It does happen, right, Yeah, I mean he's lost. I'm
Speaker 2: just looking. He's lost a mile and a half off
Speaker 2: his average exit and too off his max. Although, man,
Speaker 2: he's not pulling the ball in the air as much.
Speaker 2: His own contact's been pretty I mean, his swing decisions
Speaker 2: have collapsed. He's swinging way less in the zone and
Speaker 2: chasing more. That's probably the main It all.
Speaker 1: Sounds like leaking swing speed.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then yeah, his sprint speed has been pretty consistent.
Speaker 2: No swing I know, I'm looking at the other athletic markers.
Speaker 2: His swing speed's been pretty consistent. His arm strength, I
Speaker 2: mean has been.
Speaker 1: I say that his bats seventy five point six. That's
Speaker 1: very high. Eighty nine percent.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean it might just be like he's
Speaker 2: it could be a pitch treck thing. It could just
Speaker 2: be a weird two months, right, But the trend lines.
Speaker 1: Seventy six in twenty twenty three, which is I think
Speaker 1: the first year they tracked anything. And it's also less stated.
Speaker 1: It wasn't in every stadium, but like it's barely fallen off,
Speaker 1: yeah at all, But it seems like that's what it
Speaker 1: That's what it sounds.
Speaker 2: Like, right. I assume he's getting worse results on contact
Speaker 2: because he's swinging at the worst sketches.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, Like you know, you look at the Savant's
Speaker 3: new swing missing because that's when you start to maybe
Speaker 3: see a see a groove swing where you're just swinging
Speaker 3: where it's going to be in hope the ball happens
Speaker 3: to be there. He's below average, but it's not terrible,
Speaker 3: Like he's two ninety third out of three hund fifty seven.
Speaker 3: So it's it's bad.
Speaker 2: That's bad. Yeah, it's not.
Speaker 3: Terrible, but it's not like it's not like another guy
Speaker 3: we're going to talk about here a little bit.
Speaker 2: But you can get away with that if you have
Speaker 2: like he has merely above average ex velocities now, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, the poster boy for the bad swing.
Speaker 3: You know, results good enough at the time, it's going
Speaker 3: to be, you know, Brett Rucker. Will we talk about
Speaker 3: Milton But.
Speaker 1: This is a little far afield. But I was looking
Speaker 1: at Attolis Garcia a while back, for I honestly, it's inexplicit, inexptable.
Speaker 3: But he.
Speaker 1: He's another guy who lost a couple of ticks of
Speaker 1: bat speed. Or I should say he's a guy who
Speaker 1: lost a couple of ticks of batspeed. Riley really hasn't,
Speaker 1: but was still above average. He produced above average exit velocities, right,
Speaker 1: he lost some on his exit velocities, but even his
Speaker 1: ninetieth percentile was over one oh six, which is above average. Right,
Speaker 1: Like one oh five is is around average for ninetieth
Speaker 1: percentile ev and like, but the results just tanked anyway,
Speaker 1: and like I understand why he was no longer an
Speaker 1: all star, right, like the falloff from there. But it
Speaker 1: seemed odd to me that based on his results between
Speaker 1: how you know, he was still pulling the ball enough,
Speaker 1: he was still pulling the ball in the air, somewhat
Speaker 1: like he was still like the nith evs weren't bad.
Speaker 1: There wasn't something that would have said, if you looked
Speaker 1: at that part of the process data, here's a collapse.
Speaker 1: Even his plate discipline stuff wasn't notably different. But I
Speaker 1: guess it was just enough. Maybe he's hitting it to
Speaker 1: the wrong part of this.
Speaker 2: I suspect what we are going to find, and I
Speaker 2: would also suspect teams probably have already sliced and dice
Speaker 2: this data enough to get there, is that these extreme
Speaker 2: pulled fly ball guys, and Riley is one of them.
Speaker 2: Like it's really like it's a Goldilocks kind of skill set, right,
Speaker 2: Like it really outside of like ESOC Parades, who has
Speaker 2: been a thorn in Craig's side for half a decade now,
Speaker 2: Like I mean they're like again, it's like it's an
Speaker 2: like ESTOC Parades is an extreme skill set, extreme outlier
Speaker 2: in the same way like each or not the same way,
Speaker 2: but the same kind of.
Speaker 1: Thing like you in terms of being an outlier, sort of.
Speaker 2: The being an outlier right Edwin Diaz's fastball like that
Speaker 2: kind of like weird confluence of traits. Austin Riley just
Speaker 2: hits the ball hard in the air, right, and if
Speaker 2: he's like I haven't had the average I don't love
Speaker 2: average launch, but like his average lunch is actually nineteen now,
Speaker 2: which might be too high, right, Like that might be
Speaker 2: part of it. He is hitting the ball on the
Speaker 2: ground war as well, like enough, well, but.
Speaker 1: That means also by the way, if he's hitting the
Speaker 1: ball in the ground war and his average launches nineteen,
Speaker 1: that means he's throwing too high on the other end
Speaker 1: to get tonight.
Speaker 2: That means he's again he's not in the Goldilock zone anymore.
Speaker 2: And that might be you know, he doesn't have the
Speaker 2: quick twitch athleticism to squipt that like a hand. Eye
Speaker 2: could be like it again, little stuff right, like maybe
Speaker 2: his eyesight is going a little bit, like just enough.
Speaker 1: So we go back to him full eye test in
Speaker 1: spring training, please, and like.
Speaker 2: Maybe something that wouldn't even necessarily show up. It could
Speaker 2: be like just reaction time. Like they're so like high end.
Speaker 2: They do more high end athletic testing to like draft
Speaker 2: guys now too, And maybe the Braves have more information
Speaker 2: about this than we do. I would hope they do.
Speaker 2: But if something where it's not where there is a
Speaker 2: clear decline in like KPIs, but it's underpinning a larger
Speaker 2: decline in production than you think. Then you would think,
Speaker 2: and there's some sort of the way these skills are interacting, right,
Speaker 2: it's causing that decline. These the way these the way
Speaker 2: this decline in skills or these declines in skills are interacting,
Speaker 2: are having outsides effect on the outputs.
Speaker 1: Yeah, would be my something.
Speaker 2: Maybe we do have that data and we're just not
Speaker 2: looking at it the right way. But I assume teams
Speaker 2: have more specific swing decision and outcome data related to
Speaker 2: the swing, and I do.
Speaker 1: I would buy that even little deteriorations across a number
Speaker 1: of these things just you know, add up to a
Speaker 1: big deterioration overall. But I can't I can't find like
Speaker 1: when I was looking at Yeah, I can't find it
Speaker 1: with like Garcia. And again I'm not saying I think
Speaker 1: Garcia should have been his all star self, but it
Speaker 1: was like enough to not be basically I know, he
Speaker 1: got a ten million dollar contract this year because it's
Speaker 1: the Phillies, but like he's basically cooked, like in my view,
Speaker 1: and like I don't think he should be cooked. He
Speaker 1: should be like a guy who floats around the league
Speaker 1: for a while, and I don't know that he will
Speaker 1: be after this deal. I think he's kind of I mean, look,
Speaker 1: I don't know. Max Kepler got another contract, so maybe
Speaker 1: I'm wrong, but it just seems like he's fully cooked
Speaker 1: and like the data kind of says like there should
Speaker 1: be more there than is there. But but I look
Speaker 1: at him and I'm like, no, that's right, Like look,
Speaker 1: mid six hundreds or worse ops is about right actually
Speaker 1: for what I'm looking at. I don't know, it's just weird.
Speaker 1: I don't know, is there anything else? I did just
Speaker 1: want to know while we're while we're talking about Atlanta,
Speaker 1: Holy shit, this bullten man. They're really good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Older is not giving them as many leads to protect.
Speaker 1: But no, I mean, but like Iglesias, Lee Suarez, I
Speaker 1: know Suarez is hurt, Tyler Kinley, like Dylan Dodd, all
Speaker 1: these guys.
Speaker 2: I guess my question would be like, how how worried
Speaker 2: are you about the Braves?
Speaker 1: That is that is a good good Patrick.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're what fifteen or sixteen? They won yesterday, so
Speaker 2: they're sixteen over. Obviously, the Cubs are on the upswing
Speaker 2: right now, and the Phillies are both ten or eleven
Speaker 2: over now at this point, I think again, you're in
Speaker 2: a situation where it's hard to see the Braves not
Speaker 2: making the playoffs like the Cardinals and somebody else would
Speaker 2: have to pass them, and I don't really see that happening.
Speaker 2: But I guess where's the floor here?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 2: Is probably the more well, and you.
Speaker 3: Know the braves traditional method of getting thirty four year
Speaker 3: olds to back up every position, and also your triple
Speaker 3: A roster. You know that, you know they're this is
Speaker 3: still a team that could really get ruined if they
Speaker 3: have a couple more injuries and they haven't the healthiest
Speaker 3: team ever. Likes out but like the boy, the backups
Speaker 3: are real bad.
Speaker 1: Especially like we knew that going. Yeah, right, you've known
Speaker 1: them for a couple of years now, have you talked
Speaker 1: about the age of their triple A?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean they weren't for the first two months?
Speaker 2: Is the thing?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 1: It was Dom Smith right, like well then uh right,
Speaker 1: And I don't know what he's done recently. Againe is okay, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's cool.
Speaker 3: It's become hor hem matio. Yeah, and then you have
Speaker 3: a pitching staff, which you know Bryce Elder has fallen off,
Speaker 3: but grand Hoolmes hasn't yet right, Like Grandolmes is still
Speaker 3: kind of getting away with it. Martin Perez.
Speaker 1: I mean, look, I thought Holmes had kind of slowed down.
Speaker 2: I mean he has, he's like a four.
Speaker 3: Year this last month, but like the FIP is like
Speaker 3: five and a half, right, like it does cutting away
Speaker 3: with something, right, Martin Perez is like kind of actually
Speaker 3: good now, Like he's his strikeout rate is like one
Speaker 3: of the highest of his career. He's like, I know
Speaker 3: it's faint praise, but but a two to one strike
Speaker 3: out to walk ratio for Martin Perez is pretty good. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but still not good, like not playoff starter good. Jared
Speaker 3: Richie's back down, like it's starting to go from things
Speaker 3: could go wrong to needing to have things go right
Speaker 3: at this point, especially with a rotation, because after Chris Sale,
Speaker 3: now you just kind of need things to go right.
Speaker 3: He needs you need swallow back to be to come
Speaker 3: back and be ready. He need Strider to find something.
Speaker 3: He's back on the aisle again, like.
Speaker 2: They just got waldroped back yesterday, but they're so kind
Speaker 2: of stretched, like he was pitching behind Lopez. They're still
Speaker 2: kind of stretching him back out.
Speaker 3: It's not like this team has much to to buye
Speaker 3: with at the deadline, right.
Speaker 2: Eric Cartman, Eric Cartman, I guess so I.
Speaker 1: Have there's I want. There's another bat that has like
Speaker 1: it has had.
Speaker 2: A Nightingale said, they might be like a sneaky I
Speaker 2: know it's Bob. They might be a sneaky scooble.
Speaker 1: Right, I thought, I think I texted you, well, I
Speaker 1: think they have some interesting things if it depends on
Speaker 1: the Tiger's disposition, right, but they have a bunch of young, talented,
Speaker 1: injured starters, right, and but with a lot of control,
Speaker 1: ye think, because they're on the.
Speaker 2: Major Murphy, right, you could go get on Murphy if
Speaker 2: that's your If the Tigers.
Speaker 1: Want swelling Box, it's like a top of the rotation
Speaker 1: starter when he's healthy. It's not a bad piece theoretically,
Speaker 1: depending on your risk.
Speaker 3: And health.
Speaker 2: Quickly and like if the Tigers say, okay, we want
Speaker 2: you know, we've got we're gonna go comes up, he
Speaker 2: looks like an all star. We've got Max Clark coming.
Speaker 2: You know, we're still in sort of the peak heres
Speaker 2: for I don't know what Dylan Dingler is like top
Speaker 2: three catcher in baseball and continue, but we've.
Speaker 1: Got this catcher in baseball right now?
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know we got Max Clark. Riley Green is
Speaker 2: still Riley Green is having a great year, right, Like,
Speaker 2: we can compete next year even without Schoogle.
Speaker 1: But you have fromber Valdez.
Speaker 2: They're they're going to they are going to need another
Speaker 2: picture right between mies and school. Yeah, so if you
Speaker 2: go like you've always fell en back, you can see
Speaker 2: the vasion, right if you want to be like, we're
Speaker 2: going to reload for next year, and I and I
Speaker 2: think that whatever you get back for.
Speaker 1: School would theoretically be willing to you could see them
Speaker 1: partying with with someone like that, yeah, because in a
Speaker 1: sense they have depth of the number of guys like
Speaker 1: that who are hurt but theoretically coming back.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: But it look it would I understand from the Detroit perspective,
Speaker 1: you could look at Schwellenbach and say, like, you're getting
Speaker 1: a guy who keeps getting hurt. Yeah, but if you
Speaker 1: can get the seasons out of him, right, like, it
Speaker 1: could be a huge win. He's really really good when
Speaker 1: he's healthy. If you think you can keep him healthy
Speaker 1: or just get lucky enough, right enough, it's not even
Speaker 1: about like, Okay, yes.
Speaker 2: It doesn't have to be Schula Shwalamack. You've seen the
Speaker 2: good side already, right, Like you've seen what he can
Speaker 2: do when healthy. You know, you can like Owen Murphy
Speaker 2: and Gerr. But Murphy is basically major league ready. He's
Speaker 2: made eleven starts in Triple A. Richie has pitched in
Speaker 2: the major sum.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well there's also I mean, like again, I wouldn't
Speaker 1: I wouldn't consider him good enough for the like a
Speaker 1: significant piece of the school deal. But there'shurstin Waldro really
Speaker 1: good at the end of last.
Speaker 2: Here, again, what you're pitching people think they what you're
Speaker 2: pitching people like what they think they can do with
Speaker 2: the guys you would be acquiring, right, Yeah, but I.
Speaker 1: Think again, if you go to that plus their actual prospects, right,
Speaker 1: not just hurt pitchers, Like there's theoretically something there. And again,
Speaker 1: if you're offloading schoobl's going to carry eleven million dollars. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's I understand. It's not the thing fans necessarily want
Speaker 1: to think about, but it matters to the front office,
Speaker 1: it matters to the ownership. It's it's a couple months
Speaker 1: of Schooble as good as Schooble is. I don't think
Speaker 1: you're getting again you you wrote about this, Jeff, But
Speaker 1: like I don't think you're getting multiple top fifty guys.
Speaker 1: The return you're talking about is going to include someone in.
Speaker 2: This, right, I don't think Cartman is a top fifty guy.
Speaker 1: I probably not.
Speaker 2: But you have like a second pieces here Hartman, tas
Speaker 2: South and Scene Luis Guanifa, Like they have interesting guys
Speaker 2: at positions of need. Like you know South of Scene
Speaker 2: is a second middle endfielder. You know, Gwnefa and Hartman
Speaker 2: are outfielders, which they they need both of those things
Speaker 2: in addition to you know, close to ready pigeon, so
Speaker 2: like they do they do actually match up here, and
Speaker 2: like the braves of braves.
Speaker 1: Like and they'll make a move.
Speaker 2: They braves will make a move. And also like if
Speaker 2: you know Matt Olsen's getting older, Austin Riley, you know,
Speaker 2: like they don't have they they have a closing window
Speaker 2: here too, right, Chris Sale only is another year on
Speaker 2: his deal after this one, even though they keep maybe
Speaker 2: they'll do the same thing again and push it out
Speaker 2: another year. But he's not getting any younger. Either, like
Speaker 2: they should probably try to push in a little bit
Speaker 2: this year.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't. I don't think Bob's wrong.
Speaker 1: I think it's actually a pretty good Yeah, don't clip
Speaker 1: that please.
Speaker 2: I think it's a pretty it'll be the title of
Speaker 2: the episode.
Speaker 1: I think it's a pretty good fit in a number
Speaker 1: of ways. Again, depending on Detroit's.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Atlanta has been active the deadlines. They've never made
Speaker 2: a deal like this, right, like the huge rental by trade.
Speaker 2: But they might have to this year, right, they haven't
Speaker 2: had to in the past.
Speaker 1: Right, No, it's true, but I don't but they they
Speaker 1: have not done that at the deadline. But obviously they
Speaker 1: they went and got Matt Olsen, like they've done the
Speaker 1: big swing.
Speaker 2: Right, they can't keep this year. They're not gonna be
Speaker 2: able to just go back and get Eddie Rosario again.
Speaker 1: I think they probably can.
Speaker 2: They probably can. Yes, they're going to need to do
Speaker 2: more than that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no, I I think it would be. It's
Speaker 1: a very intriguing fit for Schooble. I think I when
Speaker 1: I was thinking about this, I don't know, a month
Speaker 1: ago or whatever, I think Ita and Chicago really make
Speaker 1: the most sense between need and.
Speaker 2: Potential willingness, and you could argue Atlanta they don't have
Speaker 2: as good a farm system as the cub but you
Speaker 2: could argue that might and neither of them are good
Speaker 2: farms well.
Speaker 1: And again if you if you're considering Schwellenbach and Waldrop types,
Speaker 1: that's not in the farm system. But they're controllable pieces
Speaker 1: that can slide right into a contention window right right.
Speaker 2: So I guess the Cubs could do that with like
Speaker 2: Matt Shaw right if they wanted to, but not a
Speaker 2: picture they have a.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think, so let's go to our third segment.
Speaker 1: It should be a quick one. I know we've gone
Speaker 1: long knives out, so I missed the first thing in
Speaker 1: our rundown here Jeffrey.
Speaker 2: So, so this is what actually brought it brought on
Speaker 2: the Stone Garrett Instagram post. Okay, Josh Naylor got hit
Speaker 2: by a pitch in the UH in the game against
Speaker 2: the Guardians, and I didn't even see if. I don't
Speaker 2: know if he said something or he overexaggerated. I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't really think he did anything unusual within the
Speaker 2: guardrails of Josh Josh Naylor on a baseball field, but
Speaker 2: like he was walking down I don't know if he
Speaker 2: says something to Hedges or Hedger said something to him,
Speaker 2: but you can see he just say like, no one
Speaker 2: likes you, just like and like not in like a
Speaker 2: not like it did not appear to me to be
Speaker 2: in like a joshing way or even like half she
Speaker 2: like just like no one likes you, like very just
Speaker 2: a statement of pack.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 2: It had the same kind of intonation as like you
Speaker 2: know you parking lot or whatever. Right, It's the same
Speaker 2: kind of like they're just like I am stating a fact.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, well, which like definitely doesn't like him.
Speaker 2: Well, it led to a lot of like okay, like yeah,
Speaker 2: like because you know Naylor, I obviously know too much.
Speaker 1: Is Josh Elder the Waterloo of First Basement.
Speaker 2: But he's like I get how just from the outside
Speaker 2: like the rock of Babe, like he's kind of a
Speaker 2: red ass, but he's being more of like, you know,
Speaker 2: a mostly acceptable fire. He's got some fire, right, And
Speaker 2: obviously I had known about the quote unquote knife Frank
Speaker 2: for the better part of a decade now, but Frank
Speaker 2: again just that's that's what his agent called it. Yes,
Speaker 2: but like Garrett actually like so for the people that
Speaker 2: don't know. I think everybody knows now. I thought they
Speaker 2: were roommates, but apparently they were next door neighbors, which
Speaker 2: makes it even weirder because he just kept like walking
Speaker 2: into breaking into Stone Garrett's apartment and like waiting for
Speaker 2: him in the closet with a butcher knife like repeatedly. Uh,
Speaker 2: and one of them he opened it and like I
Speaker 2: guess tried to scare him and like stabbed him through
Speaker 2: the hand. Yes, as Garrett had said, like he still
Speaker 2: can't feel anything in that hand, which would be kind
Speaker 2: of important. I think his thumbs stumpy, kind of important
Speaker 2: for you know, professional.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So, and they like treated him later that season two
Speaker 1: weeks later, two weeks later.
Speaker 2: I think in the Futures game, I remember I saw him,
Speaker 2: and again I don't. I don't do a ton of
Speaker 2: like makeup stuff when I'm watching games, right like outside
Speaker 2: of like really.
Speaker 1: Yeah, people, I should people have asked us about, like
Speaker 1: why we stop addressing this, Yeah, I would say, I mean,
Speaker 1: certainly what Jeff use is is a significant part of it.
Speaker 1: But my view, as as the Minor League editor at
Speaker 1: the time and now editor in chief a BP, was
Speaker 1: not that this stuff doesn't matter, right, it does matter.
Speaker 1: It can matter a whole hell of.
Speaker 2: A lot, right, Like is the fact that Nolan McLain
Speaker 2: has progressed more with pitch stuff than Jonah Tong a
Speaker 2: positive makeup marker. I don't think so. I think they're both.
Speaker 2: They're both working hard. Like Tong has been tinkering with
Speaker 2: Armslide does whatever the team tells him to do. That
Speaker 2: tries different pitches and things. Sometimes it just doesn't work.
Speaker 1: It's well, it's it's first of all, if you're talking
Speaker 1: about especially the way we used to do things, and
Speaker 1: maybe even more so now. Right, But like if you
Speaker 1: sat on someone for a series, right, you get at
Speaker 1: most a week of their lives.
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, Like that is not enough to say to
Speaker 2: end up doing stuff like oh, how make character? How
Speaker 2: engaged are they on infield outfield? None of them are
Speaker 2: engaged on in field outfield, especially in the middle of
Speaker 2: the summer. I got news for you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but look, and I'm not saying you can't get indicators, sure,
Speaker 1: but indicators aren't the truth.
Speaker 2: I saw Peter Alonzo out there working on scoops for
Speaker 2: like an hour before the game, right, I mean he
Speaker 2: needed the work, right, Like he was putting in the work.
Speaker 2: What does that what does that actually mean? Also have
Speaker 2: to say I did see Josh Naylor start a bench
Speaker 2: clearing brawl in Lakewood when he was standing on first base.
Speaker 2: I don't think I don't think it gotten hit by pitch.
Speaker 2: I think he just got it, got walked. I think
Speaker 2: just started to fight. It started a benchuring ball on
Speaker 2: first base. This is also before he got traded. He
Speaker 2: was with the Marlin still at the time. I think
Speaker 2: before I heard about the knife Frank too. It was
Speaker 2: fairly early in the Yeah, I did you have the post?
Speaker 1: I mean I don't, but yes, he was just like
Speaker 1: multiple times just hiding, like hiding in a closet and
Speaker 1: popping out with a knife. That is deranged stuff and
Speaker 1: like that. The Marlins has anyone Patrick Click has anyone
Speaker 1: asked Naylor about this since the Garrett post? But I'm
Speaker 1: just thinking because you're in the local.
Speaker 2: The Marlins were very much like, we're going to handle
Speaker 2: this in house, which is a very.
Speaker 3: Like it is a weird thing because everybody is like
Speaker 3: not everybody, but like a significant portion of people have
Speaker 3: known about this but don't remember it.
Speaker 2: Was there was a knife Frank because that was was.
Speaker 3: It an open secret like no one remembers anymore because
Speaker 3: it was so long ago. There was I supposed to
Speaker 3: be sharing this or not?
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I don't knife, Frank. That was Builton in
Speaker 1: Garrett missing a lot of time and.
Speaker 2: Not being as good when he came back. And again
Speaker 2: it was his first He wasn't a huge he was
Speaker 2: an overslought.
Speaker 1: Look, this guy made it to the majors.
Speaker 2: He didn't finally make it to the med YEA, I don't.
Speaker 1: You don't necessarily want to say like he ruined this
Speaker 1: guy's career, but like it's not out of the question.
Speaker 2: He can't. He have feeling in a thumb, which is
Speaker 2: again important for a professional hitter of Baseball's right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, on that note, Yeah, we'll take a break.
Speaker 3: He's left on that contract.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and our audience can consider what they might do
Speaker 1: for a nice prank, and we'll be back for the
Speaker 1: rest of the show. Welcome back to episode five hundred
Speaker 1: and fifty nine of five and Dive. We're on segment four.
Speaker 1: We're going around the horn. Jeffrey, would you like to
Speaker 1: just relay you your texts to us about Junior Cameron Herrow.
Speaker 2: Junior Camonaro is on an all time heater. He has
Speaker 2: homered in six straight games for the fraudulent Rays.
Speaker 1: I don't think Junior Camonaro is fraudulent.
Speaker 2: Junior Camonaro is definitely not for fraudulent. He's also as
Speaker 2: I possibly, what was what was.
Speaker 1: The length on the one that you took, the one
Speaker 1: that you said.
Speaker 2: One of the ones that you sixty eight to write,
Speaker 2: it went to a place in I think left center
Speaker 2: in Tampa that you do not normally like it got
Speaker 2: to the concourse in like left center, which I just
Speaker 2: don't think, like.
Speaker 1: One thirteen I remember. Yeah, this is all just off memory,
Speaker 1: one thirteen off the bat.
Speaker 2: Yeah he can do that obviously. Yes, Like like even
Speaker 2: I didn't even bother sending you the one last night.
Speaker 2: It was only like one nine four thirty. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: thought it's not worth it.
Speaker 1: He is also once again leading the league in ground
Speaker 1: into double plays.
Speaker 2: Sure, very hard.
Speaker 1: You can just lock in. Yeah, as long as John
Speaker 1: Carlos Stanton is is not healthy, you can lock in
Speaker 1: the league leader.
Speaker 3: Yeah. In g I DP.
Speaker 2: He is as I hoped on Monday show in the
Speaker 2: home run derby so that we have that talk.
Speaker 1: Oh is he Yeah, Okay, he's the first person that's
Speaker 1: worth tuning into.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's got a very short concourse in Philadelphia too.
Speaker 1: Hit something there, he might hit it over the batter's eide.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Last last fourteen days, four thirteen, four sixty two,
Speaker 2: one thousand. Wow, that's twelve games with a one thousand slogging.
Speaker 2: He's hit nine home runs?
Speaker 1: Is it's only slightly ahead of Dansby Swanson?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Probably the last fourteenth days, last twenty eight days,
Speaker 2: three thirty three, ninety eight, seven oh three.
Speaker 1: It's pretty good.
Speaker 2: He's just he's only twenty two.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but like it's not do you think I think
Speaker 1: you're not anticipating. I don't know, like you're saying he's
Speaker 1: only ton to two, which is great, but it's probably
Speaker 1: like this is probably around where he tops out. I mean,
Speaker 1: what's the other year? Could he hit like stoping the place.
Speaker 2: It's not hitting a day? Could he hit sixty home
Speaker 2: runs in a season?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I think that's right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I guess he's on pace for almost
Speaker 2: fifty this year and he hit forty five last year.
Speaker 2: I do Well, Well, here you go. Craig His ops
Speaker 2: by year the last four seasons six thirty one, seven,
Speaker 2: twenty four, eight, forty six, ninety three. So just keep
Speaker 2: going on one hundred points every year.
Speaker 1: Right, But well, essentially he's you end up he doesn't
Speaker 1: have the walks or whatever. It's a different profile. But
Speaker 1: then he's walking about like right handed.
Speaker 2: Yourd On Alvarez as like, but I don't know if
Speaker 2: he has I'm walking like twelve percent of the time.
Speaker 2: He's like, there's nobody else not lying up the pitch too,
Speaker 2: But he still had to not say at the pitches.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I do want to point out, like I joked
Speaker 1: about Swanson, Swanson's last fourteen days three seventy five, four
Speaker 1: four nine.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he is only.
Speaker 1: Slightly ahead of fancy swaps. Cooper Ingle had a bad moment.
Speaker 2: He did, he had benniagg Bayanis did, Yeah, we need
Speaker 2: I you.
Speaker 3: Know, this isn't worth an article, but man, I've always
Speaker 3: you know, I remember somebody saying, once we have all
Speaker 3: the leaderboards whatever need and man, we need a leaderboard
Speaker 3: for this. We need a designated place where you can
Speaker 3: look up every player in history who has done this,
Speaker 3: just so you can be like, this needs to be
Speaker 3: a club.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and yeah, it is a harmless club, but like
Speaker 1: it's a club like Learry, it wasn't harmless in this
Speaker 1: instance they lost it.
Speaker 3: Only they lost thank god. Like I wrote the most
Speaker 3: merciful insurance run in baseball history when the Rangers made
Speaker 3: it four too. Yeah, somebody something that again will never
Speaker 3: happen again.
Speaker 1: He is a catcher, stakes Patrick different steaks.
Speaker 2: He has not played a lot of corner outfield.
Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, that's a tough one.
Speaker 3: Uh, Steve Cohen, do we actually say what he did?
Speaker 3: He did? I not.
Speaker 1: He threw the ball into the stands with with two outs, and.
Speaker 3: There was a runner on second who dropped around. Everyone
Speaker 3: just stood there and watched. Uh Tanner Bidy's expression.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Harry Biby, Who who did you write it? You
Speaker 1: wrote about right?
Speaker 3: Yeah? I put this in DSDH.
Speaker 1: No, but you wrote about him earlier in this also
Speaker 1: is one of the hardest luck yeah players this year,
Speaker 1: just in terms of like win loss record stuff like that.
Speaker 1: I know he's not pitched terrifically either, but he's also
Speaker 1: been very unlucky elsewhere. Steve Cohen has said that David
Speaker 1: Sterns will quote ride out end quote his contract. He's
Speaker 1: in year three of a five year contract. I wouldn't
Speaker 1: call it the most ringing of endorsements. In terms of phrasing.
Speaker 1: My guess is that Stern's sorry, Stern's Cohen did not
Speaker 1: mean this in any sort of derogatory or I'm.
Speaker 2: Not the like for a guy.
Speaker 1: He's not a words guy.
Speaker 3: Mhm. Well, Also, you don't want to do too complimentary,
Speaker 3: because that's the kiss of death when you're like over
Speaker 3: praising the guy is doing, you know, clearly a bad job,
Speaker 3: or at least you know it's getting bad results. Made
Speaker 3: me talk about, right, you want to thread the balance
Speaker 3: of being like, yeah, he's fine, you know when you're doing.
Speaker 2: It on the New York Post Baseball podcast, for some reason,
Speaker 2: we got to consider the audience. Yeah, no, Like, it
Speaker 2: was very funny because he was getting people were I
Speaker 2: don't remember, but he was tweeting. He should not be
Speaker 2: tweeting either. Oh he like he does. He said he
Speaker 2: was going to make a statement soon, and I'm just like,
Speaker 2: oh god. But I figured he was going like he
Speaker 2: did a press conference in twenty twenty three, right when
Speaker 2: things weren't going well. So I thought, okay, he'll just
Speaker 2: have a press conference. You know, they just fired their manager.
Speaker 2: But he'll do like a basic maybe like a pre
Speaker 2: All Star Game thing or something, but no, he just
Speaker 2: went on the New York Posts podcast with John Hayman
Speaker 2: and Joel Sherman, which is very funny because Joel Sherman
Speaker 2: complained a lot that they only went to Anthony Jacomo
Speaker 2: to say Carlos Mendoza was safe back in May, and like,
Speaker 2: oh you got to talk to you. Why you're only
Speaker 2: talking to one media source. Fine, when it's fine, when
Speaker 2: it's me right. He said a lot of other things
Speaker 2: too that he shouldn't, but that's just part of the
Speaker 2: Steve Cohen experience at this point. I mean, he did
Speaker 2: say things like, look, we have to look at our
Speaker 2: processes and like you can have good process and bad outcomes,
Speaker 2: Like he said, all the right things and that respect.
Speaker 2: And I do think Stearns is probably safe for the
Speaker 2: duration of this contract for a variety of reasons, including
Speaker 2: the ones he outlined about being like that, who do
Speaker 2: you hire after this, which is something that no point
Speaker 2: that Jarry and I have made a lot over the
Speaker 2: last six months or.
Speaker 1: So I talked about last podcast.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but yeah, like you don't.
Speaker 1: Is an unfortunate frame it because it sounds like we're
Speaker 1: just gonna live with it.
Speaker 2: We're gonna live with it, right, Yeah, But.
Speaker 1: I think I think he's I don't know that he's
Speaker 1: like happy with it.
Speaker 2: But I don't think you, I mean you shouldn't. I
Speaker 2: don't think David Stearns is happy with it, right, Yeah, but.
Speaker 1: I don't But I don't think but I don't think
Speaker 1: Steve Cohen is unhappy with David Stearns. I think he's
Speaker 1: unhappy with the results, right, which is.
Speaker 2: Something that like Mets fans can't parse for some reason.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there there is an additional uh, another round of
Speaker 1: of MLB h M, l B P A c B A.
Speaker 2: Yeah, should know some thought they might miss games next year,
Speaker 2: which is not something you want your owners specifically. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't know how this is a good idea.
Speaker 1: So so this is latest MLBP proposal. But did we
Speaker 1: do we cover the prior.
Speaker 2: We talked at the draft stole y, Yeah, and when
Speaker 2: we talked about I think.
Speaker 1: The contract length. I mean, yeah, none of this is
Speaker 1: I can't I wasn't.
Speaker 3: Here for something.
Speaker 1: I just wasn't sure.
Speaker 2: I don't know whatever, I don't know the details, just
Speaker 2: like leak, Yeah.
Speaker 1: Intermittently so it's not always clear. I I just wanted
Speaker 1: to cover it if we didn't. But but Patrick, I
Speaker 1: know I shared the details of this with you. Do
Speaker 1: you have do you have it in front of you?
Speaker 3: What the the.
Speaker 1: Specifically it's looking at trends. This this portion of the
Speaker 1: proposal was specifically about UH transaction.
Speaker 2: Fewer options.
Speaker 3: It's adorably it's adorably minute ship yes yearly compared their own.
Speaker 3: The owners are like, we're we're never going to pay
Speaker 3: any ever again. And the LVPA is like, we'd like
Speaker 3: an extra couple of roster thoughts for the first two
Speaker 3: weeks of the season.
Speaker 1: So that is That was the first billet point, which
Speaker 1: was expanding active rosters from twenty six to twenty eight
Speaker 1: for the first fifteen days of the season, just to
Speaker 1: make it more of a glide path out of spring training. Sure,
Speaker 1: I suppose. Look, I understand why they're asking for this.
Speaker 1: It's it's additional service time for additional people. I don't
Speaker 1: I don't like it's it's like it's I don't think
Speaker 1: it's good for the game necessarily, it's fine, I don't pay.
Speaker 3: It's essentially like it doesn't hurt the game and it
Speaker 3: keeps it's another reason.
Speaker 2: To stars aren't good.
Speaker 1: From their perspective, that's fine. Like I'm not flammoring, yes
Speaker 1: I don't. I would prefer more time where the regular
Speaker 1: season is just the regular season and not weird and
Speaker 1: slightly different. But like I get I get it.
Speaker 3: The big one is no, I just thought the big one,
Speaker 3: like it really is like quality of life stuff, right,
Speaker 3: like having you know, letting people be on the sixty
Speaker 3: Day Island November so you don't have to cut a
Speaker 3: bunch of.
Speaker 1: People just because it's also good for teams.
Speaker 3: It is good for teams. Yeah, Like it's annoying to
Speaker 3: have to cut one of your decent like fringe guys
Speaker 3: because you know you have three guys come off happy.
Speaker 1: The race would be oh man, so save some of
Speaker 1: those rosters and I mean like they'll do whatever, but
Speaker 1: like they'll be thrilled. Yeah, And I'm not even I'm
Speaker 1: not trying to take a shot that a lot of
Speaker 1: the Rays are hurt. It's just a way for them
Speaker 1: to save a roster spot. They're kind of a lot
Speaker 1: of those weird little deals you see in in November
Speaker 1: and December or whatever are because they're are trying to
Speaker 1: they have always got a wave of people about to
Speaker 1: need to be added to the forty man and so
Speaker 1: they're just trying to optimize their system that way. This
Speaker 1: would help them help them out of that crunch a
Speaker 1: little bit.
Speaker 3: So reducing the number of in season options from five
Speaker 3: to three, which was already reduced from I think was
Speaker 3: it infinite to five was the first time through, and
Speaker 3: now it's five to three. They're just trying to slid
Speaker 3: down the shuttle, which is just going to give you
Speaker 3: more Carlos grascows. But you know, whatever can't stady, it's
Speaker 3: gonna be harder to program out.
Speaker 1: I do wonder if this doesn't it slows down the shuttle,
Speaker 1: but it says it's specifically to combat roster churn, and
Speaker 1: I don't know if it wouldn't enhance roster turn. I
Speaker 1: mean it you just do the DFA. It does give
Speaker 1: the players more options, right right, And I agree with that,
Speaker 1: but I don't know that it addresses churn. It gives
Speaker 1: but it gives players options amazing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this one's one might be my favorite. Moving up
Speaker 3: the Rule five draft in the final year of the
Speaker 3: c b A, just not every year the ones before
Speaker 3: they might be a strike or what works stoppage.
Speaker 1: Well, the goal there is to make sure there is
Speaker 1: a rule five draft right exactly last time they.
Speaker 3: And then provide them will be pay for players who
Speaker 3: are optioned at September.
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, yeah, extras Max Meyer exactly.
Speaker 3: And this is like it's not great. You know, it
Speaker 3: does not improve the product, but also it's pretty easy
Speaker 3: to go like, yeah, come on, it's like.
Speaker 1: Like it does improve the product because it removes the
Speaker 1: incentive to do this weird little.
Speaker 3: Forced them to find new incentives.
Speaker 2: Fine, Like it's like, if you want to manipulate the
Speaker 2: service time, you got to pay for it for the
Speaker 2: two leak space.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I guess look, I always preference and say
Speaker 1: like we're biased on this. I'm not trying to hide
Speaker 1: the ball on that kind of stuff. But if you
Speaker 1: look at what these proposal details address, like the PA
Speaker 1: proposals repeatedly are like stop finding loopholes, and the players
Speaker 1: and the game and the owners are like take less money.
Speaker 1: And I think, like that's a that's a joke, but
Speaker 1: it's also.
Speaker 2: It is very much not a joke.
Speaker 1: It's not it's very much not a joke. And I
Speaker 1: think that should tell you where each side is coming
Speaker 1: from in terms of what they're trying to accomplish with
Speaker 1: their proposals. Are the players self interested?
Speaker 3: Yes, yea.
Speaker 1: Also their self interest is better for the game than
Speaker 1: the owner's self interest.
Speaker 2: I saw someone on Blue Sky just be like, I
Speaker 2: know none of this matters, but it is. It's weird
Speaker 2: that their owners are just like presenting their view of
Speaker 2: like idealized baseball, and it's the most horrible thing you've
Speaker 2: ever seen. Like they're not like they're not even trying.
Speaker 1: It's very much a Silicon Valley Tech ceo being like,
Speaker 1: isn't this the future we all want? And it's a nightmare,
Speaker 1: and they're like, it looks great to me. The guy
Speaker 1: on top of the.
Speaker 2: Pyramid also Travis Sauchik, but those the only yeah.
Speaker 1: Employed by Major League basse Yeah.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: If you want to know more about that, feel free
Speaker 1: to check out the site today. I have an article
Speaker 1: up on an article. Lastly, Brent Rooker is out for
Speaker 1: the season. Right, it's been a tough season, Yeah, it has,
Speaker 1: like perhaps mercifully like maybe it's just like let's get this.
Speaker 3: Salved Is DRC is one on one. The thing about
Speaker 3: Rooker is that like he has not changed what he does.
Speaker 3: He's just going to see. He is very much the
Speaker 3: I'm going to swing in one spot, ye, and when
Speaker 3: the ball is there, you know, goodbye. The ball has
Speaker 3: not been in that spot.
Speaker 1: So the reason I one of the reasons I asked
Speaker 1: if we covered the prior thing. So one of one
Speaker 1: of the elements of the prior MLB proposal, not the
Speaker 1: PA proposal, was centered around they accepted conditionally on contingent.
Speaker 2: If they take less money right contingent.
Speaker 1: On the acceptance of a cap and floor. They accepted
Speaker 1: the MLB past proposal for players who are over thirty
Speaker 1: when they re free agency can do it in five
Speaker 1: years of service rather than six.
Speaker 2: I signed an extension.
Speaker 1: He did, he did, But he is the kind he is,
Speaker 1: the profile of player that that would part of the
Speaker 1: reason he signed an extension is because he was not
Speaker 1: going to reach free agency until thirty three. Now. I
Speaker 1: don't know that thirty two is all that much better
Speaker 1: in this stace whatever, But I also want to point
Speaker 1: out that even amidst that, they also said, by the way,
Speaker 1: we also want to create a restrictive free agency where
Speaker 1: we can pay him essentially the qualifying offer offer. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and we can just assign it to him. It's he
Speaker 1: doesn't get to It's not a qualifying offer, it's a
Speaker 1: qualifying mandate.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Also, we're not changing arbitration at all.
Speaker 1: And also but but like it's like, oh, we've agreed
Speaker 1: to this thing, and there's you know, these these guys,
Speaker 1: and there are a lot of these guys because of
Speaker 1: how our clubs handle players.
Speaker 2: Who more we eliminate high schoolers in the drafts.
Speaker 1: Right exactly if because of how we ended the place
Speaker 1: they hit this there are these guys that are over
Speaker 1: thirty when they reach free agency, they can do it
Speaker 1: a year sooner. Except also we re reserve the right
Speaker 1: for them not to do that. Now, look it costs,
Speaker 1: but that one year of cost is less than the
Speaker 1: contract they would get as a free agent, right if
Speaker 1: they're worth they would only do it if they're worth
Speaker 1: screwing over to do it, right, Like, it's just it's.
Speaker 2: Like it's like a franchise tag. Basically it is not
Speaker 2: even not even as good as a franchise tag.
Speaker 3: Yes it is.
Speaker 1: It is a franchise tag.
Speaker 3: Yeah, literally everyone instead of just like six dudes, it's it's.
Speaker 1: But even right to your point, not as good. I
Speaker 1: believe in the NFL the franchise tag, other teams can,
Speaker 1: if it would be worth it, still sign those guys
Speaker 1: and take a draft pick penalty to do so. Not
Speaker 1: the case here, as far as I can tell, it
Speaker 1: would The free agency restriction is you're getting paid this
Speaker 1: oh to forego free agency. As I read it, it's
Speaker 1: possible I did not read it correct. Anyway, that is
Speaker 1: that is our show up until the game.
Speaker 3: Okay, all right, So this game was supply supplied by Colin.
Speaker 3: Thank you Colin for doing this after you should have
Speaker 3: supplied the game last week. Colin Richard, you should have
Speaker 3: You should have supplied the game last week when he
Speaker 3: was here and then he might have won.
Speaker 1: Oh sorry, real host, Colin.
Speaker 3: All right, So this one is a very simple one.
Speaker 3: It's called pension, man uh. And so all you have
Speaker 3: to do, we're just gonna do it together as a group.
Speaker 3: All I have to do is I'm going to name
Speaker 3: off a player and you just tell me if they
Speaker 3: have reached ten years of service time. And boy, I'm
Speaker 3: not going to do well at this because I only
Speaker 3: think of things in terms of years and not service.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry say this again.
Speaker 3: What I'm going to name a player, you tell me
Speaker 3: whether that you have reached whether that players reached ten
Speaker 3: years ten years of service time? Okay, Right, So if
Speaker 3: you've been following.
Speaker 1: On a b RES page or lay a VP player card,
Speaker 1: it is it's amount of time actually spend in the majors.
Speaker 3: Okay, So we'll start with Kyle Schwarber and you guys
Speaker 3: can just say what you feel. What do you feel like?
Speaker 1: Yes, I'm actually I'm pretty.
Speaker 2: Sure I'm gonna doing some math in my head.
Speaker 1: You can, I'm saying it. I don't want I'm not
Speaker 1: trying to sway you, Jeff, but I'm pretty sure I
Speaker 1: saw something marking that he had done it.
Speaker 3: I think that's the Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think he also has ten and five.
Speaker 2: Rights, So yeah, I think I think that's right now
Speaker 2: that i'm because, yeah, he missed that year, but he
Speaker 2: would have been on the sixty he was in the majors.
Speaker 2: Who would have been major league service time for it?
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Next one, Harrison Bater. Oh, that is just.
Speaker 1: Colin. If you had started with Harrison. Now maybe we
Speaker 1: were wrong on Schwarber and that's fine, but if you
Speaker 1: had started with Bader, that's just right off the bat,
Speaker 1: that like one of the biggest edge cases. Yeah, he's
Speaker 1: played for ten teams.
Speaker 2: I think I'm gonna say, now, oh man, it's.
Speaker 1: Been hurt Padrick. What are you saying? I say no,
Speaker 1: you're saying no too, I think yeah, yeah, I'm gonna.
Speaker 3: No. I'm gonna say, Okay, how do you biased.
Speaker 2: Gotta be?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know if he has to be like
Speaker 3: he was.
Speaker 1: He didn't get he didn't get yo yo. He's been
Speaker 1: bad or hurt or whatever, but he's been there.
Speaker 3: Okay, yes, all right, Chris Bassett, I'm gonna say, what.
Speaker 1: Is he's like thirty five?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 2: How late did he start older than that? I think
Speaker 2: he did, But he was like an up and down
Speaker 2: reliever for a bit to take a swing man, So
Speaker 2: I don't know how long.
Speaker 3: God, he's grizzled. I think just on his beard.
Speaker 1: Alone, who should be I'm gonna say now just his
Speaker 1: face is is a ten years of service face. I'm
Speaker 1: also it feels like a trap, so I'm gonna say no.
Speaker 3: Also, okay, Tommy fam oh my god, oh.
Speaker 2: Man, I mean like he came up late. He came
Speaker 2: up late.
Speaker 1: It's so much DFA.
Speaker 2: He also like keeps signing like and.
Speaker 1: Then the first on the roster, right, like, I'm gonna say.
Speaker 2: No, we can't keep agreeing on everything.
Speaker 3: You're gonna say no, all right, Adam Frazer, I don't
Speaker 3: say yes this one.
Speaker 2: Just say no. I don't think he's he was another
Speaker 2: guy that came up late.
Speaker 1: Mhm. He does just stay on rosters though he does
Speaker 1: like he's not.
Speaker 2: Like he just is on the Angels, Like he's just
Speaker 2: on the Angels.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but like it's not like they're cutting him and
Speaker 1: resigning him and adding it back and whatever. I think
Speaker 1: I want to say yes, I don't.
Speaker 2: He signs the minor league deal, but then he's just
Speaker 2: in the majors.
Speaker 3: But from the start of the season, next on Wilson Contrares,
Speaker 3: I was like a look at his is he not.
Speaker 2: Looking at his I know player page he played, I
Speaker 2: know he's played in eleven seasons. Becomes I'm going to
Speaker 2: say no, I'm.
Speaker 1: Gonna say no, I'm gonna say yes.
Speaker 3: Okay, So Craig and I are still all right holding
Speaker 3: common Oh fuck god, Yeah, this one's hard. Yeah God, I'm.
Speaker 2: Not going to say it. I'm gonna go last because
Speaker 2: I think I know the answer.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's smart of you. I mean, Jeff knows more
Speaker 1: than I'm going to say. I'm going to say yes,
Speaker 1: all right.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say no. I'm pretty sure he came up
Speaker 2: to the end of twenty seventeen, so I don't think
Speaker 2: he's there yet.
Speaker 3: Right, Anthony Rindoon, it's gotta be yes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's not on like the restricted list or whatever.
Speaker 2: I mean, he might be now, but like I think
Speaker 2: he's got his ten years.
Speaker 1: Well, no, they agreed to whatever. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: Trevor's story.
Speaker 1: I mean, I want to go last on this one.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I was gonna do the opposite of you, all right,
Speaker 3: just so I could.
Speaker 1: Oh, you're gonna do the opposite of me.
Speaker 3: No, No, I'll go after Jeff all right, Jeff Trevor's story.
Speaker 2: He was definitely a six plus guy because he came
Speaker 2: up the end of that season and he signed with
Speaker 2: the Red Socks. How fucking long has even with the
Speaker 2: Red song.
Speaker 1: That's that's the math I was doing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I am going to say he is just under
Speaker 2: just under Yeah, let me say.
Speaker 1: I think he's over.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, I will go with under that, even though
Speaker 3: I probably think you're right. Craig just so that we
Speaker 3: get different because I think that was number ten and
Speaker 3: we're gonna stop here, all right, son, So he gave
Speaker 3: ten and then he's like, here's another, here's more. He
Speaker 3: put another eight in in case, but another two, Colin,
Speaker 3: and we can we'll use another game another time, all right,
Speaker 3: So let's reveal and let's see. So Kyle Schwarber, the
Speaker 3: answer is yes, ten point zero eight six. Harrison thought, Yeah,
Speaker 3: Harrison Bader, the answer is no, so we're all eight
Speaker 3: point eight point zero three.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was like just a free agent.
Speaker 3: So we're all tied at too, so far. Next one,
Speaker 3: Hobby Bias. The answer is yes, ten point zero eight nine.
Speaker 1: Him and Scher were basically.
Speaker 2: He played in the twenty fifteen playoffs, so I assumed
Speaker 2: that he was more than Chris Bassett.
Speaker 3: The answer is no, nine point one three. Oh, so
Speaker 3: we are all four four five Tommy Fan. The answers yes, no,
Speaker 3: oh yeah, yeah, wow, ten point zero nine two more
Speaker 3: than swarm Wow. Okay, and finally we because if we
Speaker 3: have a different answer, we have a differentiator. It is
Speaker 3: Adam Frazer is is no. So Jeff takes takes the
Speaker 3: lead and he's going to continue to take the lead
Speaker 3: because Wilson Contreras is no and Ahmed Rosario is no.
Speaker 3: Wilson Contreras is at nine point one, Ahmed Rosario is
Speaker 3: eight point zero six.
Speaker 2: Which, yeah, he came up. He came up late in
Speaker 2: twenty seventeen.
Speaker 3: Anthony Rin doone. The answer is yes, he was way
Speaker 3: over twelve point one three zero. We all got that
Speaker 3: one right. And Trevor Story, the answer is yes. So
Speaker 3: Craig wits went back. But Jeff's gonna win this one walking.
Speaker 1: Is he like just over.
Speaker 3: Trevor story? Was it? No, he's exactly ten as a Friday.
Speaker 2: Oh, okay, I miscalculated when he got called back as.
Speaker 1: Of which Friday?
Speaker 3: Last Friday?
Speaker 1: Okay, I didn't know if we were getting a fucking
Speaker 1: benefit that would only be right.
Speaker 3: So congratulations to Jeff, who wins first place with eight.
Speaker 3: Craig at six I had five.
Speaker 2: It's important to have that Adam Fraser knowledge on this show.
Speaker 2: It really, it really is it really really you got
Speaker 2: to know things about Adam Fraser.
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