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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to episode five fifty nine five and is Thursday,

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<v Speaker 1>July second. I'm your host, Critic Goldstein, joined as usual

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<v Speaker 1>by Patrick Dubuque and Jeffrey pattern Ostro. Where are we

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<v Speaker 1>on the banter front, gentlemen.

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<v Speaker 2>I've just been watching more of the World Cup. It's

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<v Speaker 2>pretty much what I do.

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<v Speaker 1>I am. It wasn't a red card, jeff So, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Was actually going to bring that up because I am not,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, as I have followed soccer for a long time.

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<v Speaker 1>I am.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess one of the people somewhat in charge of

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<v Speaker 2>a national supporters group. I'm in the West app group

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<v Speaker 2>for it, And but I don't like the gate keep

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<v Speaker 2>this stuff. The World Cup's fun. It's good that, like,

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<v Speaker 2>you don't have to commit to anything for soccer past

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<v Speaker 2>this summer. I don't expect you to pick up like

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<v Speaker 2>a Premier League team or an MLS team or whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>But it does kind of annoy me when like Colin

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<v Speaker 2>Cowher is out here talking about soccer without like knowing

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<v Speaker 2>the rules at all.

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<v Speaker 1>Like, right, it's not it's not the fans, but like

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<v Speaker 1>Colin Coward is not a fan, right, He's he's pretending

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<v Speaker 1>to be a source of of knowledge.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure, but like it was it was. Look, I would

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<v Speaker 2>not have called it a red card, but it is

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<v Speaker 2>red cardibal, I guess because like intent doesn't matter in

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<v Speaker 2>this case, it's where are the studs? And is there

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<v Speaker 2>enough force?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so I thought, I mean I and again this

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<v Speaker 1>is something I don't know. I thought intent does matter

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<v Speaker 1>in some capacity, and also like it.

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<v Speaker 2>If they weren't, if they were going to give him

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<v Speaker 2>like three games for violent it's not violent contact content conduct, sorry,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's it's you know, it's reckless. It is you

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<v Speaker 2>gotta be in short, it's high up on the leg.

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<v Speaker 2>You got to know where your studs are. Like I

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<v Speaker 2>would not personally have given it as a red card,

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<v Speaker 2>but once they went to bar, like didn't slow motion,

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<v Speaker 2>it was going to be a red under their rules.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay. I I just it felt a lot like the

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<v Speaker 1>flagrant one versus Flagrant two in the NBA, which is

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<v Speaker 1>like intent also doesn't matter, right to be a flagrant

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<v Speaker 1>want one, but it kind of does. I know I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going off memory. I think it does for flagrant two

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<v Speaker 1>or ken sorry doesn't have to, but it can. And

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<v Speaker 1>like it was definitely a car right, like it's yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it was reckless.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure, right and once you just once you go to

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<v Speaker 2>review it, you have to look at it and be like, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>the studs are high on like if it's a tackle,

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<v Speaker 2>and I know it's not a tackle, but yeah, if

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<v Speaker 2>the studs are that high on the ankle with that

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<v Speaker 2>much force, it's going to generally get called as a

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<v Speaker 2>red card. I didn't think it was a red card,

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<v Speaker 2>but I think once they went to the once var

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<v Speaker 2>called him over, he didn't really have a choice. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, Like it's just like I get it right,

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<v Speaker 2>Like Belegan's having a great World Cup. He's gonna be

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<v Speaker 2>out for Belgium. Now it's it sucks, but that's I

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<v Speaker 2>guess that's the hardest part, right, Like the US can

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<v Speaker 2>take me being a true soccer country. Now they've been

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<v Speaker 2>screwed over by the refs in a major tournament, right,

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<v Speaker 2>Like that's that they They've never been good enough to

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<v Speaker 2>actually get screwed over by the rest of a major tournament.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, was like, I'm coming at this. I honestly like,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't even I root for Argentina. So I have

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<v Speaker 1>since I was since my dad brought me home a

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<v Speaker 1>body stud to Jersey when I was very little, Like

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<v Speaker 1>I so there's this is not like homersm for me.

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<v Speaker 1>I just it's accommodation of not fully knowing the rules

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<v Speaker 1>to you can look at it, it didn't feel that way.

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<v Speaker 2>You can look at it in comparison to the messy

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<v Speaker 2>tackle in the first game too, right, like where he

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<v Speaker 2>comes in studs up and I guess like that, I

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<v Speaker 2>think that should have been a yellow too, Like there

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't a lot of force behind it. It was just

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<v Speaker 2>it was clumsy more than violent, which I think was

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<v Speaker 2>true to an extent with the balligan.

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<v Speaker 1>But I do get they don't want people going in.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Like it's like it's like, you know, it's like

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<v Speaker 2>a it's not really a stomp, right, but it kind of.

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<v Speaker 3>Like it was.

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<v Speaker 1>It was just it was a stomp in terms of

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<v Speaker 1>what actually happened. But like he he wasn't. They were

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<v Speaker 1>trying to do something else and got like tangled, right,

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<v Speaker 1>And you'd like you'd like.

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<v Speaker 2>The referees little more discretion. Especially that's what that's where

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<v Speaker 2>I can well cup where they're not calling, they're really

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<v Speaker 2>letting them play. Yeah this world generally, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>The US players got we're getting mugged out there. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and it was kind of like, oh, they're letting.

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<v Speaker 2>Him play, okay, letting him play right, But like it's

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<v Speaker 2>again if it's like body to body for the most part,

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<v Speaker 2>like people have been coming through the backs of guys.

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<v Speaker 2>Like you've seen a lot of like midfielders and fours

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<v Speaker 2>come through the back of other midfielders in the middle

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<v Speaker 2>like try to get in the ball, and usually like

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<v Speaker 2>if they if you come through the back of guy,

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<v Speaker 2>even if you've managed to like loose the ball and

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<v Speaker 2>you knock them over, it's generally called yes. I found

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<v Speaker 2>they're just not calling they're letting them. They're letting them

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<v Speaker 2>play pretty physical in this World Cup, which is fine

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<v Speaker 2>as long as it's consistent, right, I mean, but overall

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<v Speaker 2>it's been like all these games have been great outside

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<v Speaker 2>of frank Sweden, but like all these knockout games have

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<v Speaker 2>been like just dramatic, generally well played. I mean, I

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<v Speaker 2>know Paraguay Germany wasn't it was traumatic to watch, but

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<v Speaker 2>it was like it was uh engaged, it was engrossing

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<v Speaker 2>in a way. Yeah, Like it's not even I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>even saying that it's for this, it's for the sickos. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>it's like to go soccer. Yeah, in a lot of ways,

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<v Speaker 2>like it's they call it hair and ball, but like

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<v Speaker 2>it's just Paraguay is going to make this.

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<v Speaker 1>Door was pretty It was over quickly.

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<v Speaker 2>It was over quickly. The Mexico didn't play great, Like

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<v Speaker 2>had some chances to get back in it late in

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<v Speaker 2>the first and just didn't really. But yeah, I'm a

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<v Speaker 2>little in the an. I'm a little disappointed at how

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<v Speaker 2>much it's playing to chalk, even though the chalk is

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<v Speaker 2>generally taking unusual ways to get there in a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of cases.

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<v Speaker 1>Look at looking at you Belgium.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, at England, looking at you England, England. Yeah, uh

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<v Speaker 2>so we'll see.

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<v Speaker 1>We're gonna have to wake up Patrick. Patrick does not

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<v Speaker 1>Patrick does not consume soccer. Patrick, do you have any panther.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm going to provide an antidote for your guys' discussion

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<v Speaker 3>and return us to a couple of pieces of old favorites,

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<v Speaker 3>coffee and seltzer chat. Okay, First of all, I just

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<v Speaker 3>want to report that my mother and law gave me

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<v Speaker 3>a mug which was entitled mug for a Father's Day.

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<v Speaker 3>That's a self heating Yeah, mataining, which means that my

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<v Speaker 3>instant coffee is always the perfect temperature. I don't know

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<v Speaker 3>if I'm appreciating coffee with Mug the way.

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<v Speaker 2>That she maybe I did enjoy. On Monday, Patrick's like, well,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not taking the kids to camp, so I can

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<v Speaker 2>start a little early. But I'm well, I'm fine, I

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<v Speaker 2>gotta make coffee, and Patrick's like, so do I And

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<v Speaker 2>I almost text right about like yours is going to

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<v Speaker 2>be done before mine.

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<v Speaker 3>Patrick, Well, I could have been early and just put

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<v Speaker 3>it in Mug. I forgot the other thing. I take

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<v Speaker 3>less pleasure in reporting that there is a I've tried

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<v Speaker 3>a couple of new Seltzer flavors this week. Waterloo has

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<v Speaker 3>come out. I know, Waterloo being perhaps the least popular

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<v Speaker 3>Seltzer company among the group, and I see it.

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<v Speaker 2>I think I've gotten it once or twice, but yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it's pretty far down order for me.

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<v Speaker 3>It's the most selter like, it's got the most flavor.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah, it's complicated because that's mixing an actual juice.

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<v Speaker 3>I know it is. Yeah. Yeah. So the first one

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<v Speaker 3>I tried was a melon mix that had watermelon candle

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<v Speaker 3>open and honey downey.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you thank you, Jeff, Thank you, Jeff.

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<v Speaker 3>That was a correct flavor.

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<v Speaker 1>Listeners could not see. But Jeff, I wouldn't call it

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<v Speaker 1>total disgust, but it was a combination of disgust and disappointment.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there was some brief confused asperation.

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<v Speaker 3>In minds is that it was a buy three, get

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<v Speaker 3>three free situation.

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<v Speaker 1>And so I a melon, get three different ones.

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<v Speaker 3>I did because I don't I don't want to get

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<v Speaker 3>the three of the same ones. I'll get sick of them.

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<v Speaker 3>I always a variety is important, and so I'm not

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<v Speaker 3>going to buy the melon one again.

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<v Speaker 2>But I mean, halfway through the canon one can of melon,

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<v Speaker 2>I would be sick of it.

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<v Speaker 3>So it's it's definitely one of those ones where you

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<v Speaker 3>have to drink it cold and FI gets.

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<v Speaker 2>Warm thrown out just you know, drink warm seltzer.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, because I'm slow nurse things, you know, I'm working.

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<v Speaker 1>He needs he needs a mug for seltzer.

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<v Speaker 3>But man.

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<v Speaker 1>Can.

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<v Speaker 3>But the flavor I have now it's called banana blaring

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<v Speaker 3>berry bliss.

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<v Speaker 2>No, absolutely, this is the must it is.

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<v Speaker 3>That was Pat Patrickson Banana berry bliss. So it's strawberry

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<v Speaker 3>orange and banana.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, that's that's okay. I mean that's a normal combination

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<v Speaker 1>of flavors, but I don't want it for Seltzer.

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<v Speaker 2>I want banana flavored Seltzer.

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<v Speaker 3>Well it is very banana forward.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, not that bad, pretty, I will tell you this. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>while we're I wasn't playing on talking about this, but

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<v Speaker 1>we on my vacation, we ordered the children a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of smoothies because it was just like a lower whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>They were into the smoothies. It's got some fruit in it,

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<v Speaker 1>it's vacation whatever. Easy, it's easy. My younger child, for

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<v Speaker 1>whatever reason, just opened up with a banana smoothie, which I.

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<v Speaker 3>Was like, they're all bananas movies. No No. It was

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<v Speaker 3>usually like is the reagent of smoothie? No?

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<v Speaker 1>No, But it was like a virgin dackery kind of thing.

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<v Speaker 1>So it was it was just like strawberry you can

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<v Speaker 1>so what right? Yeah? And I was like, oh, that's

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<v Speaker 1>not an order I would ever have thought to make.

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<v Speaker 1>I really liked it, very good, really good, and it

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<v Speaker 1>has resulted in my uh my fortieth birthday is coming

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<v Speaker 1>up later this month, and my wife said, for me,

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<v Speaker 1>even though it's really for the children, has now acquired

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<v Speaker 1>a smoothie machine. Yes, a one off product that will

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<v Speaker 1>take up not desk space, but counter space until it

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<v Speaker 1>and it takes up shelf space somewhere else. Gage I'm

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<v Speaker 1>sounding upset about it. I'm not upset.

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<v Speaker 2>You're going to enjoy it for like a couple of

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<v Speaker 2>months and then get bored with.

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<v Speaker 1>It exactly, But I'm looking forward to the enjoying it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm honestly pretty I really enjoyed the banana aspect

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<v Speaker 1>of it. So I don't know that I would necessarily

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like to like, obviously then it's all natural

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<v Speaker 2>flavors or whatever, but I feel like the chemical they

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<v Speaker 3>Well yeah, I mean baa, it's not right.

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<v Speaker 2>It's identifiably banana, but it's not actually banana, right, it's

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<v Speaker 3>It's runs yellow banana. Yeah, yes, yes, And I don't

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<v Speaker 3>mind that foot it's candy. It's not banana.

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<v Speaker 1>But like the shirt, all right, they're calling it the

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<v Speaker 1>longest banter of all time.

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<v Speaker 2>It really isn't.

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<v Speaker 1>It's up there, but it didn't we didn't even get

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<v Speaker 3>The Banana of movies.

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<v Speaker 1>At this point, I feel like, are they banana? What's

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<v Speaker 1>happening anyway? Our first segment Willson possibly a bit too

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<v Speaker 1>lighthearted a title for the content, but I go with

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<v Speaker 1>what's in front of me. I'm not fully Ron Burgundy,

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<v Speaker 1>but close enough. Wilson Contreras has gotten into it again.

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<v Speaker 1>I will tell you the sequence of events here was

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<v Speaker 1>from a group chat. Yeah, and be the group chat

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<v Speaker 1>kind of being like, we understand Wilson Contreras is playing

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<v Speaker 1>His emotions are the most right now because of what's

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<v Speaker 2>Ejected from the previous game as well, arguing, oh.

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<v Speaker 1>I had missed I had missed that so and and

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<v Speaker 1>that is certainly understandable. They were like that being said,

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<v Speaker 1>like he's now charged the mound, like this guy really

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<v Speaker 1>always gets into it, and and I will I you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I said kind of like I wonder what caused it?

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<v Speaker 1>Like what what was said to happen here. Uh turns

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<v Speaker 1>out Wilson Contreras was not really in the rock in

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<v Speaker 1>this one. I mean like maybe don't charge the mound

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<v Speaker 1>and throw your helmet, but also not a respectful turn

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<v Speaker 1>of phrase from Cade Cavali of the Nationals, who had

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<v Speaker 1>struck him out. He said, sit down, boy, yes, was

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<v Speaker 1>would anyone like to come.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want to be like you can't do that,

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<v Speaker 2>white baby, but like you guy, like outside of everything else, right,

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<v Speaker 2>You've been in the league for like three months and

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<v Speaker 2>Wilsonaturius is like a ten years multiple All Star games, Like,

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<v Speaker 2>there are rules for this, right, I really I don't

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<v Speaker 2>want to. Don't we get into the you know, the overtone.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to come off as as excusing away

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<v Speaker 1>the overtones or anything like that because they're not like he.

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<v Speaker 1>The reality is he has to know better ahead of this, right.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to put that first and foremost. I can

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<v Speaker 1>understand a scenario where if he doesn't know better, and

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<v Speaker 1>again he can't. He can't not know better, that's inexcusable, right,

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<v Speaker 1>But if he doesn't, like just a exclamatory like sit down,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, like yourself to your to yourself kind of

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<v Speaker 1>thing to pump yourself up. I can, I can halfway

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<v Speaker 1>understands that, sure, right halfway. But to Jeff's point, you've

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<v Speaker 1>been you've barely been here, well like you don't you

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<v Speaker 1>don't get to yell that. You don't get to yell

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<v Speaker 1>that to somebody, especially loud enough to someone else that's

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<v Speaker 1>they can hear it, right like, And it wasn't. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>saying I can halfly understand to yourself, but it was

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<v Speaker 1>not to himself.

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<v Speaker 2>No, Like I think I believe wasn't have to know

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<v Speaker 2>the content wasn't terrist is going to sit down, well

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<v Speaker 2>maybe not as quickly, ask what was the the was it?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if it's skyper Cruco, but the sit

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<v Speaker 1>down meet yeah yeah, right, like they'll they'll do the exclamatory.

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<v Speaker 1>But if you're the pitcher saying it to the batter

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<v Speaker 1>you just did, you're gonna start some ship.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And it was like one of those he uh, I

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<v Speaker 2>think if he got up like two there's like two

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<v Speaker 2>zero in the count. There was a close pitch that

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<v Speaker 2>got called a ball, they challenged it, got it overturned,

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<v Speaker 2>and Coturis's is like, oh yeah, okay, sure he's like

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<v Speaker 2>looking at the screen eye on top of the down

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<v Speaker 2>five and then he eventually gets him looking on I

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<v Speaker 2>think a breaking ball at that edge his own and

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<v Speaker 2>like it's like it's a slow strike call night no,

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<v Speaker 2>but not even that, but just like and like he is.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it was three two. So he starts kind

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<v Speaker 2>of taking a step towards first right, and he gets

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<v Speaker 2>run up like and like, and then he says sit down, boy,

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<v Speaker 2>and like conturist like kind of does he doesn't, like,

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<v Speaker 2>are you talking to me? Yeah? And I think I

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<v Speaker 2>think he says it again. Oh, I think there's this

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<v Speaker 2>like I think the conturist thinks he said thought he

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<v Speaker 2>started just like a tire from like that and then

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<v Speaker 2>it kicks off right, And generally, I.

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<v Speaker 3>Think you should get out of the habit of calling

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<v Speaker 3>thirty four year old men boy.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I get it he's from Oklahoma, right, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>sure this is.

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<v Speaker 3>Just like this. Yeah, And sometimes the whole concept of

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<v Speaker 3>you know, you should think this is a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>people hopefully know better.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well I was. I think it's it's just I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know. Perhaps I'm being nice, right, and that's fine,

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<v Speaker 1>but like I think it's more a turn of phrase

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<v Speaker 1>than than like.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm sure he has been going back to high

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<v Speaker 2>school or what.

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<v Speaker 1>The turn of phrase has a history, right, That is

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<v Speaker 1>the part I don't want. I'm not excusing it. I

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<v Speaker 1>want to be very clear. I think I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>he was saying like I don't think he was trying

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<v Speaker 1>to belittle him other than like in the competitive arena,

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<v Speaker 1>right of just saying like I got you, go sit

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<v Speaker 1>down whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>But like again, yeah, like you, I don't I guess

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<v Speaker 2>on some level you can be unaware of this if

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<v Speaker 2>you're a baseball player from Oklahoma, but and like look, but.

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<v Speaker 1>Also like being from Oklahoma is inform me and it's

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<v Speaker 1>you know that.

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<v Speaker 3>Probably seeing some people say it ironically exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, so look, obviously a bad situation. Cavali did

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<v Speaker 1>come out and apologize after. I guess Paul Toboni, the head,

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<v Speaker 1>the head of operations, I don't know his official title,

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<v Speaker 1>the Nationals talk to him. So Bonie also talked to

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<v Speaker 1>the media. Cavali's talked to the media. Well, I guess

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<v Speaker 1>he apologized to the media. I think at the time

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<v Speaker 1>I had seen he had not contacted which he probably

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<v Speaker 1>should yea, I shouldn't say, probably he definitely should.

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<v Speaker 3>This is if I see him, I will make sure

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<v Speaker 3>he knows that's what he said.

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<v Speaker 1>If I see him, yeah, you're playing again at the

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<v Speaker 1>time phone number from somebody at.

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<v Speaker 2>The time again, they are playing again, that he can

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<v Speaker 2>walk over to the locker room by the next that's right,

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<v Speaker 2>it wasn't playing again.

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<v Speaker 1>But if I see him, it's tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe he has. Yeah, but at the time he had not,

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<v Speaker 3>and he said, Uh, I hope he hears this and

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<v Speaker 3>understands that this is not intended at all. I think

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<v Speaker 3>he knows that. But if I see him, I want

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<v Speaker 3>to make sure he knows that. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So I think this is this was a better apology

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<v Speaker 1>than I expected, or a better statement of understanding. Maybe

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<v Speaker 1>not an apology, but then I expected. I wouldn't say

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<v Speaker 1>it was ideal. But perhaps my expectations are just that low.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it gets uncomfortable when we talked when there's

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<v Speaker 1>a focus on intent, right, like Cavali said, there was

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<v Speaker 1>no ill intention. I think I've used this before, but

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<v Speaker 1>like I don't care if you drop a vase or

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<v Speaker 1>throw a vase. The vase is broken, right, like you

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<v Speaker 1>got to put it together, and then you put it

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<v Speaker 1>together and it's not whole, right, Like you're going to

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<v Speaker 1>be missing pieces the damage, the damage is done. He

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<v Speaker 1>did also focus on the damage in the longer statement, right,

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<v Speaker 1>he talked about being hurt thinking about a black child

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<v Speaker 1>in DC who would be a fan of the Nationals,

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<v Speaker 1>a fan of him, and letting that person down. I

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<v Speaker 1>think that outward focus is missing from the vast majority

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<v Speaker 1>of these kinds of statements of understanding. I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>what else to call it, right.

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<v Speaker 3>But.

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<v Speaker 1>So to my mind, like even just getting to that

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<v Speaker 1>was better than most. Again, I'm not saying it's all

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<v Speaker 1>the way.

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<v Speaker 2>There, but I like peak for Armstrong did right.

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<v Speaker 3>We're gender in because I think one of the funny

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<v Speaker 3>things about this is that this apology and a later

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<v Speaker 3>apology will reach in the show both use the same

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<v Speaker 3>exact expression, which is this will never happen again, right,

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<v Speaker 3>which is at least something that you can now you

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<v Speaker 3>can now verify that that is something you can actually confirm,

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<v Speaker 3>as opposed to if somebody were hurt, then you know,

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<v Speaker 3>then I feel bad for that, Right, there's some sort

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<v Speaker 3>of quantifiable, confirmable you know, you know, reaction, right, Jared

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<v Speaker 3>Duran did not say that and then did it again.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, I do think you know, there's a lot

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<v Speaker 1>there is a lot of focus on you know, himself,

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<v Speaker 1>like I don't you know, I don't want people thinking

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<v Speaker 1>this about me, which is understandable, right, But the fact

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<v Speaker 1>that there was the outward focus of of harm right

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<v Speaker 1>caused or or even potentially caused, and and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>he he came out and said there's a history behind

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<v Speaker 1>the word and and like, I didn't intend it, but

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<v Speaker 1>it's there. It's more understanding than you get from from

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of these people. Was kind of the way

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<v Speaker 1>I saw it. And and maybe that's on my part,

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<v Speaker 1>kind of the bigotry of lowered expectations in this case.

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<v Speaker 1>But it does seem like he was trying right. And

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<v Speaker 1>to your point Patrick saying like it'll never happen again,

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<v Speaker 1>is we'll see, certainly. But it's at least aspirationally towards growth.

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<v Speaker 3>Right. It's a confirmation that he accepts that what he

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<v Speaker 3>did was wrong and not that he just got got right. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>it turns out that means a lot these days. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I know, uh so that I don't know anything else

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<v Speaker 3>we want to talk about.

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<v Speaker 2>It contrasts having like the phenom of his career, like

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<v Speaker 2>depending on how you I guess, depending on how you

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<v Speaker 2>judge his defense in Chicago. But yeah, he's having a

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<v Speaker 2>absolutely phenomenal season, and it feels like we mostly there's

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<v Speaker 2>two things going on here, right, Like he has been

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<v Speaker 2>at the center of like even before this, right, the

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<v Speaker 2>stuff with Milwaukee and then you know, the Red Sox,

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<v Speaker 2>not the Red Sox being bad and being bad in

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<v Speaker 2>a way that that sort of overrides anything like the

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<v Speaker 2>story of the Red Sox is not going to include

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<v Speaker 2>Wilson Contrasts just having the best seat of his career. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>it's going there's too much else going on.

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<v Speaker 3>No, there's too much dysfunction that you know, the part

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<v Speaker 3>of Wilson, this part of Wilson Contraras will be the

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<v Speaker 3>storyline of Wilson Contreras this year.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, because it also kind of fits in with the

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the story of him getting into it with

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<v Speaker 2>with the Nats is more endemic of what's going on

421
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<v Speaker 2>in Boston this year. Writ large, I think than you're

422
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<v Speaker 2>having a nine hundred ohps.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I just to speak to your point on the

424
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<v Speaker 1>best year of his career, he has not had the

425
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<v Speaker 1>best the most war already in terms of reference for

426
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<v Speaker 1>he's at three point two in eighty three games. He

427
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<v Speaker 1>has done that before. Actually, he had three in eighty

428
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<v Speaker 1>four games in twenty twenty four with Saint Louis. But

429
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<v Speaker 1>his top is four point two in twenty twenty one

430
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<v Speaker 1>in Chicago.

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<v Speaker 2>That was the year JD. Martinez is like broke his

432
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<v Speaker 2>wrist too, right, I think that's right.

433
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but he it is by far like he has

434
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<v Speaker 1>got a one fifty five ops plus That would be

435
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<v Speaker 1>by far his the highest of his career and against

436
00:24:16.440 --> 00:24:18.960
<v Speaker 1>eighty three games if he stays healthy. Not not a given,

437
00:24:19.279 --> 00:24:21.799
<v Speaker 1>but if he stays healthy, this is very likely going

438
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<v Speaker 1>to be the best of his career. And again you

439
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<v Speaker 1>could argue I'm using reference bar his his catching defense

440
00:24:27.799 --> 00:24:30.400
<v Speaker 1>was not always well thought of. It's possible that four

441
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<v Speaker 1>point two for his his top mark thus far over

442
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<v Speaker 1>states somewhat. If you want to factor in the defense,

443
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<v Speaker 1>let's go to our second segment. It's not so peachy.

444
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<v Speaker 1>Atlanta is backsliding, yeah, I mean he continues to be

445
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<v Speaker 1>back in years.

446
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<v Speaker 2>Right, Like I think some of this was there's like

447
00:24:52.640 --> 00:24:55.160
<v Speaker 2>the idea of you know, oh, Atlanta's regressing. Well, it'

448
00:24:55.160 --> 00:24:57.559
<v Speaker 2>supposed to aggression towards the mean, and I don't know,

449
00:24:57.720 --> 00:25:02.160
<v Speaker 2>like the mean's gonna be pretty loud to me.

450
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<v Speaker 3>And yeah, well they won the game by more than

451
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<v Speaker 3>two runs. They did for the first time since June sixth, so.

452
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<v Speaker 1>They they are still in the lead in the NL East.

453
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<v Speaker 1>That lead has dwindled to two and a half games

454
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<v Speaker 1>over Philadelphia. I don't think we we've talked about we

455
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<v Speaker 1>update the divisional status fairly frequently. Whatever I feel like

456
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<v Speaker 1>I said at some point, like I don't think Philly

457
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<v Speaker 1>is out of it for the division hunt. I don't

458
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<v Speaker 1>remember if we talked about something where we said like

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<v Speaker 1>who would you rather be and and one of us

460
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<v Speaker 1>might have picked. It might have been Jeffrey picking Philly

461
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<v Speaker 1>or something like that.

462
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<v Speaker 3>I I.

463
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<v Speaker 1>I think I'd rather be Philly at.

464
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<v Speaker 2>This I think right now I would.

465
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<v Speaker 1>I think it's easy to say when they're backsliding in

466
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<v Speaker 1>the ways that would concern you, right because it's Bryce

467
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<v Speaker 1>Elder not outperforming.

468
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<v Speaker 2>It's if you told me halfway through the season the

469
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<v Speaker 2>Brewers were two and a half games up on the

470
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<v Speaker 2>Phillies and be like, what happened to the Mets. Okay,

471
00:26:10.960 --> 00:26:12.680
<v Speaker 2>that kind of makes that that kind of makes like

472
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<v Speaker 2>it makes it's like, this is a reasonable projection based

473
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<v Speaker 2>on what you knew about these teams going into the season. Right, Yes,

474
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<v Speaker 2>it's just how they've gotten there is very but it's

475
00:26:21.920 --> 00:26:25.079
<v Speaker 2>a long season. Like order of operations does matter to

476
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<v Speaker 2>an extent.

477
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<v Speaker 3>Koda has been function tied, yeah.

478
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<v Speaker 2>And I think that's and again they don't. I mean,

479
00:26:32.400 --> 00:26:35.279
<v Speaker 2>I'm sure Coda thinks that like Bryce Elder isn't actually good,

480
00:26:35.440 --> 00:26:38.319
<v Speaker 2>which Bryce Elder now isn't actually good. You know, Raynaldo

481
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<v Speaker 2>Lopez starts back in the rotation, so I know he's

482
00:26:40.480 --> 00:26:44.240
<v Speaker 2>like piggybacking. It was him and Hurston Waldrip last night.

483
00:26:45.960 --> 00:26:48.400
<v Speaker 2>Grant Holmes is hanging around too, and has been.

484
00:26:48.519 --> 00:26:53.000
<v Speaker 1>He's been sliding from from a decent start. It's also

485
00:26:53.720 --> 00:26:57.039
<v Speaker 1>the thing is it's not just the pitching, right right. Yeah,

486
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<v Speaker 1>Don Smith has been he was very good. Yeah, for

487
00:27:00.160 --> 00:27:01.400
<v Speaker 1>a while he has not been good.

488
00:27:02.279 --> 00:27:04.799
<v Speaker 2>Baldwin hasn't been good since he came back from his injury, like.

489
00:27:05.039 --> 00:27:08.440
<v Speaker 1>Michael Harris has been struggling of late. Matt Olsen, I'm

490
00:27:08.480 --> 00:27:10.640
<v Speaker 1>not worried about NodD Olsen. He's been fine. But he

491
00:27:10.880 --> 00:27:14.559
<v Speaker 1>was like, you know, one eighty ops plus territory and

492
00:27:14.680 --> 00:27:18.799
<v Speaker 1>he's down to one thirty nine, right, Like, right, maybe

493
00:27:18.920 --> 00:27:21.079
<v Speaker 1>one eighty is overstating, but even one sixty five, right,

494
00:27:21.279 --> 00:27:24.039
<v Speaker 1>there's a big difference in that that quality play. Again,

495
00:27:24.039 --> 00:27:26.960
<v Speaker 1>I'm not worried about madd Olson. Drake Baldwin set the

496
00:27:27.000 --> 00:27:28.799
<v Speaker 1>world on fire and got hurt, came back homeward and

497
00:27:28.880 --> 00:27:33.000
<v Speaker 1>then has been bad. Yeah, And again I don't think

498
00:27:33.119 --> 00:27:36.039
<v Speaker 1>Drake Baldwin is going to be bad. Like I don't

499
00:27:36.079 --> 00:27:39.240
<v Speaker 1>think Drake Baldwin is bad. It's a difference between some

500
00:27:39.400 --> 00:27:42.400
<v Speaker 1>of these And and Bryce Eld, the Bryce Elder kind

501
00:27:42.440 --> 00:27:46.119
<v Speaker 1>of scenario, but it is a little bit cubssh where

502
00:27:46.240 --> 00:27:50.920
<v Speaker 1>like the whole lineup was producing yeah, and then it wasn't.

503
00:27:52.000 --> 00:27:55.839
<v Speaker 1>And again, the numbers still look pretty good because of

504
00:27:55.880 --> 00:27:58.559
<v Speaker 1>how long everyone was producing, but they're going through a

505
00:27:58.599 --> 00:28:02.079
<v Speaker 1>stretch where basically on one is is doing Now.

506
00:28:02.039 --> 00:28:04.039
<v Speaker 2>The Cubs are just Dansby Swanson, so it's fine.

507
00:28:04.559 --> 00:28:08.400
<v Speaker 1>And and Austin Riley was playing the role of Alex

508
00:28:08.480 --> 00:28:11.160
<v Speaker 1>Bregman where yeah, is not producing.

509
00:28:11.079 --> 00:28:13.880
<v Speaker 3>But brave said said at this point, who was still

510
00:28:14.160 --> 00:28:17.240
<v Speaker 3>essential is still yeah, three hundred and three forty four

511
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<v Speaker 3>five July.

512
00:28:18.240 --> 00:28:19.279
<v Speaker 1>First, it's July soon.

513
00:28:19.680 --> 00:28:24.680
<v Speaker 2>And first, Matt Olsen has been fine, Like he's been fine.

514
00:28:24.720 --> 00:28:29.559
<v Speaker 1>No, he's he's been good, but he was fantastic. Oh

515
00:28:29.599 --> 00:28:31.319
<v Speaker 1>you mean over the I looked at like the last

516
00:28:31.599 --> 00:28:33.720
<v Speaker 1>two weeks or whatever, it's seemed the ops in the

517
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<v Speaker 1>seven hundreds. It's fine.

518
00:28:36.079 --> 00:28:38.759
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, Austin Riley has been has slugged two fifty

519
00:28:38.799 --> 00:28:42.279
<v Speaker 2>in the last month. Mike strampsk gives slugged two fourteen

520
00:28:42.319 --> 00:28:44.920
<v Speaker 2>in the last month. Dominic Smith has slug two fifty

521
00:28:44.960 --> 00:28:48.440
<v Speaker 2>in the last month and has been way worse than that.

522
00:28:49.720 --> 00:28:50.440
<v Speaker 2>Hasn't played a time.

523
00:28:50.480 --> 00:28:53.200
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, do I get to victory has on Kim

524
00:28:53.480 --> 00:28:54.599
<v Speaker 1>at this point, I don't.

525
00:28:54.680 --> 00:28:56.920
<v Speaker 3>I mean, nobody is an thirty six hitter.

526
00:28:57.440 --> 00:29:01.759
<v Speaker 1>No, obviously not. And it's it's I guess I shouldn't.

527
00:29:01.759 --> 00:29:04.440
<v Speaker 1>It's eighty two plate appearances. But like, no, my issue

528
00:29:04.559 --> 00:29:07.200
<v Speaker 1>was they re signed him at a at a four

529
00:29:07.240 --> 00:29:11.440
<v Speaker 1>million dollar rate, like I couldn't believe. I couldn't believe

530
00:29:12.160 --> 00:29:16.480
<v Speaker 1>he declined his option for sixteen million dollars, and then

531
00:29:16.519 --> 00:29:22.240
<v Speaker 1>I really couldn't believe that he got more money plant

532
00:29:22.359 --> 00:29:24.200
<v Speaker 1>hit and I don't obviously I don't think he's this bad,

533
00:29:24.440 --> 00:29:25.599
<v Speaker 1>but like he can't hit.

534
00:29:26.559 --> 00:29:28.759
<v Speaker 2>Don Smith last year with the Giants hit two eighty four,

535
00:29:28.880 --> 00:29:31.759
<v Speaker 2>three thirty three, four seventeen in two hundred and twenty

536
00:29:31.960 --> 00:29:32.680
<v Speaker 2>real appearances.

537
00:29:32.759 --> 00:29:33.559
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's not bad.

538
00:29:33.920 --> 00:29:36.440
<v Speaker 2>This year for the Braves, he's hit two seventy nine,

539
00:29:36.519 --> 00:29:38.640
<v Speaker 2>three twenty two, four fifteen in two hundred and three

540
00:29:38.640 --> 00:29:40.400
<v Speaker 2>plate appearances. He's just gotten there in a.

541
00:29:42.079 --> 00:29:43.640
<v Speaker 1>In a much more bifurcated way.

542
00:29:43.839 --> 00:29:45.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, like the whole team has been by, Like it's

543
00:29:46.720 --> 00:29:51.720
<v Speaker 2>it is rare that everybody is over their head for

544
00:29:51.799 --> 00:29:54.359
<v Speaker 2>two months and then everybody is under their head underwater

545
00:29:54.440 --> 00:29:56.400
<v Speaker 2>for a month, right, Like it's just very unusual.

546
00:29:57.599 --> 00:29:58.119
<v Speaker 1>It really is.

547
00:29:58.240 --> 00:30:02.680
<v Speaker 2>The Cubs it is experience customies at like four different times.

548
00:30:04.079 --> 00:30:05.880
<v Speaker 3>And what's funny is that usually if you look at

549
00:30:05.960 --> 00:30:09.960
<v Speaker 3>DRC by month, generally, what you find is that everybody

550
00:30:10.039 --> 00:30:12.000
<v Speaker 3>is exactly the same every month, Like it goes from

551
00:30:12.039 --> 00:30:13.880
<v Speaker 3>one oh three to one oh one to ninety nine

552
00:30:14.000 --> 00:30:17.720
<v Speaker 3>or something. The Braves have the worst DRC in baseball

553
00:30:18.759 --> 00:30:22.400
<v Speaker 3>since June first, it's eighty five. Like it's not just

554
00:30:22.519 --> 00:30:23.559
<v Speaker 3>that things aren't falling in.

555
00:30:23.720 --> 00:30:26.400
<v Speaker 2>They're not I mean, they're striking out a lot.

556
00:30:27.000 --> 00:30:31.480
<v Speaker 3>Austin Riley, you know something needs to be done at

557
00:30:31.519 --> 00:30:31.920
<v Speaker 3>this point.

558
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<v Speaker 2>Well, he's got a lot of money coming Patrick, he's

559
00:30:36.160 --> 00:30:37.559
<v Speaker 2>ninety nine. Yeah, I was.

560
00:30:37.759 --> 00:30:40.240
<v Speaker 1>I literally was saying the same thing in the same one.

561
00:30:40.440 --> 00:30:44.000
<v Speaker 3>It is seriously, Zeno's paradox for War. He's going from

562
00:30:44.039 --> 00:30:45.680
<v Speaker 3>six to three to one and a half and now

563
00:30:45.759 --> 00:30:47.880
<v Speaker 3>he'll be lucky to get two point seven. Like it's

564
00:30:48.960 --> 00:30:52.480
<v Speaker 3>it's kind of incredible. He has twenty two point six

565
00:30:52.559 --> 00:30:54.960
<v Speaker 3>war for his career and he might just stop there.

566
00:30:57.039 --> 00:31:02.480
<v Speaker 3>That might be it. It doesn't. He seems totally lost.

567
00:31:04.480 --> 00:31:09.039
<v Speaker 3>It's hard is getting like this guy like three years.

568
00:31:08.880 --> 00:31:11.519
<v Speaker 2>In a row, someone like Riley right, Like thinking back

569
00:31:11.519 --> 00:31:12.920
<v Speaker 2>to him as a prospect, and he was a very

570
00:31:12.960 --> 00:31:16.920
<v Speaker 2>good prospect. The questions were sort of like can you

571
00:31:16.960 --> 00:31:18.920
<v Speaker 2>play third? And will you make enough contact? And I

572
00:31:19.000 --> 00:31:23.279
<v Speaker 2>do wonder if he got there, he got like the

573
00:31:25.079 --> 00:31:28.319
<v Speaker 2>whatever coaching and strength training athletic games you can get

574
00:31:28.359 --> 00:31:31.440
<v Speaker 2>in your early twenties, and now he's just losing them

575
00:31:31.480 --> 00:31:35.200
<v Speaker 2>and going back to that guy they can't really hit

576
00:31:35.279 --> 00:31:38.680
<v Speaker 2>or play third, Like he's just an early peak athleticism

577
00:31:38.799 --> 00:31:43.400
<v Speaker 2>guy and he doesn't have the other skills to sort

578
00:31:43.440 --> 00:31:46.680
<v Speaker 2>of ameliorate the loss of athleticism. I haven't looked at

579
00:31:46.799 --> 00:31:49.880
<v Speaker 2>like his, and he's been He's had some significant injuries

580
00:31:49.920 --> 00:31:52.319
<v Speaker 2>in here too. I don't think you can handway of

581
00:31:52.400 --> 00:31:53.799
<v Speaker 2>that as well. I have not looked at the.

582
00:31:53.839 --> 00:31:57.799
<v Speaker 3>Well, almost everybody who finishes twenty nine is yeah, fair enough.

583
00:31:58.319 --> 00:32:00.279
<v Speaker 3>The thing is that I like, the first thing that

584
00:32:00.359 --> 00:32:04.039
<v Speaker 3>I thought of seeing this is Morgan Ensburg. Yeah. Yeah,

585
00:32:04.279 --> 00:32:07.319
<v Speaker 3>and Morgan Ininsburg made the all starting team at twenty nine.

586
00:32:07.400 --> 00:32:10.880
<v Speaker 3>Of course he got started later, so so late. Yeah,

587
00:32:10.960 --> 00:32:13.400
<v Speaker 3>but yeah, he was done at thirty.

588
00:32:15.240 --> 00:32:18.200
<v Speaker 2>It does happen, right, Yeah, I mean he's lost. I'm

589
00:32:18.240 --> 00:32:20.480
<v Speaker 2>just looking. He's lost a mile and a half off

590
00:32:20.599 --> 00:32:25.680
<v Speaker 2>his average exit and too off his max. Although, man,

591
00:32:25.720 --> 00:32:27.359
<v Speaker 2>he's not pulling the ball in the air as much.

592
00:32:29.079 --> 00:32:31.559
<v Speaker 2>His own contact's been pretty I mean, his swing decisions

593
00:32:31.599 --> 00:32:34.079
<v Speaker 2>have collapsed. He's swinging way less in the zone and

594
00:32:34.160 --> 00:32:36.279
<v Speaker 2>chasing more. That's probably the main It all.

595
00:32:36.279 --> 00:32:38.319
<v Speaker 1>Sounds like leaking swing speed.

596
00:32:38.720 --> 00:32:42.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and then yeah, his sprint speed has been pretty consistent.

597
00:32:42.440 --> 00:32:45.039
<v Speaker 2>No swing I know, I'm looking at the other athletic markers.

598
00:32:45.079 --> 00:32:47.799
<v Speaker 2>His swing speed's been pretty consistent. His arm strength, I

599
00:32:47.839 --> 00:32:48.440
<v Speaker 2>mean has been.

600
00:32:49.160 --> 00:32:51.880
<v Speaker 1>I say that his bats seventy five point six. That's

601
00:32:52.000 --> 00:32:53.319
<v Speaker 1>very high. Eighty nine percent.

602
00:32:53.640 --> 00:32:55.839
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I mean it might just be like he's

603
00:32:56.200 --> 00:32:57.680
<v Speaker 2>it could be a pitch treck thing. It could just

604
00:32:57.759 --> 00:33:01.680
<v Speaker 2>be a weird two months, right, But the trend lines.

605
00:33:01.960 --> 00:33:05.559
<v Speaker 1>Seventy six in twenty twenty three, which is I think

606
00:33:05.599 --> 00:33:08.359
<v Speaker 1>the first year they tracked anything. And it's also less stated.

607
00:33:08.440 --> 00:33:13.200
<v Speaker 1>It wasn't in every stadium, but like it's barely fallen off,

608
00:33:13.319 --> 00:33:16.839
<v Speaker 1>yeah at all, But it seems like that's what it

609
00:33:17.079 --> 00:33:18.400
<v Speaker 1>That's what it sounds.

610
00:33:18.160 --> 00:33:21.359
<v Speaker 2>Like, right. I assume he's getting worse results on contact

611
00:33:21.440 --> 00:33:23.359
<v Speaker 2>because he's swinging at the worst sketches.

612
00:33:23.480 --> 00:33:28.920
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, Like you know, you look at the Savant's

613
00:33:29.000 --> 00:33:32.640
<v Speaker 3>new swing missing because that's when you start to maybe

614
00:33:32.720 --> 00:33:36.920
<v Speaker 3>see a see a groove swing where you're just swinging

615
00:33:36.920 --> 00:33:38.720
<v Speaker 3>where it's going to be in hope the ball happens

616
00:33:38.759 --> 00:33:42.000
<v Speaker 3>to be there. He's below average, but it's not terrible,

617
00:33:42.160 --> 00:33:46.160
<v Speaker 3>Like he's two ninety third out of three hund fifty seven.

618
00:33:46.240 --> 00:33:47.319
<v Speaker 3>So it's it's bad.

619
00:33:47.519 --> 00:33:48.720
<v Speaker 2>That's bad. Yeah, it's not.

620
00:33:48.880 --> 00:33:51.839
<v Speaker 3>Terrible, but it's not like it's not like another guy

621
00:33:51.880 --> 00:33:53.200
<v Speaker 3>we're going to talk about here a little bit.

622
00:33:53.279 --> 00:33:55.240
<v Speaker 2>But you can get away with that if you have

623
00:33:55.559 --> 00:34:00.400
<v Speaker 2>like he has merely above average ex velocities now, right.

624
00:34:00.759 --> 00:34:05.519
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, yeah, the poster boy for the bad swing.

625
00:34:05.960 --> 00:34:08.000
<v Speaker 3>You know, results good enough at the time, it's going

626
00:34:08.079 --> 00:34:09.960
<v Speaker 3>to be, you know, Brett Rucker. Will we talk about

627
00:34:10.000 --> 00:34:10.400
<v Speaker 3>Milton But.

628
00:34:11.159 --> 00:34:13.440
<v Speaker 1>This is a little far afield. But I was looking

629
00:34:13.519 --> 00:34:20.119
<v Speaker 1>at Attolis Garcia a while back, for I honestly, it's inexplicit, inexptable.

630
00:34:21.519 --> 00:34:21.920
<v Speaker 3>But he.

631
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<v Speaker 1>He's another guy who lost a couple of ticks of

632
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<v Speaker 1>bat speed. Or I should say he's a guy who

633
00:34:28.239 --> 00:34:30.599
<v Speaker 1>lost a couple of ticks of batspeed. Riley really hasn't,

634
00:34:30.960 --> 00:34:35.800
<v Speaker 1>but was still above average. He produced above average exit velocities, right,

635
00:34:35.840 --> 00:34:37.679
<v Speaker 1>he lost some on his exit velocities, but even his

636
00:34:37.760 --> 00:34:41.199
<v Speaker 1>ninetieth percentile was over one oh six, which is above average. Right,

637
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<v Speaker 1>Like one oh five is is around average for ninetieth

638
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<v Speaker 1>percentile ev and like, but the results just tanked anyway,

639
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<v Speaker 1>and like I understand why he was no longer an

640
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<v Speaker 1>all star, right, like the falloff from there. But it

641
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<v Speaker 1>seemed odd to me that based on his results between

642
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<v Speaker 1>how you know, he was still pulling the ball enough,

643
00:35:04.519 --> 00:35:06.280
<v Speaker 1>he was still pulling the ball in the air, somewhat

644
00:35:06.679 --> 00:35:09.400
<v Speaker 1>like he was still like the nith evs weren't bad.

645
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<v Speaker 1>There wasn't something that would have said, if you looked

646
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<v Speaker 1>at that part of the process data, here's a collapse.

647
00:35:15.280 --> 00:35:18.559
<v Speaker 1>Even his plate discipline stuff wasn't notably different. But I

648
00:35:18.679 --> 00:35:20.639
<v Speaker 1>guess it was just enough. Maybe he's hitting it to

649
00:35:20.679 --> 00:35:21.199
<v Speaker 1>the wrong part of this.

650
00:35:21.360 --> 00:35:24.119
<v Speaker 2>I suspect what we are going to find, and I

651
00:35:24.360 --> 00:35:27.719
<v Speaker 2>would also suspect teams probably have already sliced and dice

652
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<v Speaker 2>this data enough to get there, is that these extreme

653
00:35:33.960 --> 00:35:36.079
<v Speaker 2>pulled fly ball guys, and Riley is one of them.

654
00:35:38.400 --> 00:35:42.039
<v Speaker 2>Like it's really like it's a Goldilocks kind of skill set, right,

655
00:35:42.159 --> 00:35:45.320
<v Speaker 2>Like it really outside of like ESOC Parades, who has

656
00:35:45.400 --> 00:35:47.599
<v Speaker 2>been a thorn in Craig's side for half a decade now,

657
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<v Speaker 2>Like I mean they're like again, it's like it's an

658
00:35:50.840 --> 00:35:54.679
<v Speaker 2>like ESTOC Parades is an extreme skill set, extreme outlier

659
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<v Speaker 2>in the same way like each or not the same way,

660
00:35:56.519 --> 00:35:57.639
<v Speaker 2>but the same kind of.

661
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<v Speaker 1>Thing like you in terms of being an outlier, sort of.

662
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<v Speaker 2>The being an outlier right Edwin Diaz's fastball like that

663
00:36:07.599 --> 00:36:11.440
<v Speaker 2>kind of like weird confluence of traits. Austin Riley just

664
00:36:11.519 --> 00:36:13.159
<v Speaker 2>hits the ball hard in the air, right, and if

665
00:36:13.199 --> 00:36:16.800
<v Speaker 2>he's like I haven't had the average I don't love

666
00:36:16.840 --> 00:36:19.360
<v Speaker 2>average launch, but like his average lunch is actually nineteen now,

667
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<v Speaker 2>which might be too high, right, Like that might be

668
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<v Speaker 2>part of it. He is hitting the ball on the

669
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<v Speaker 2>ground war as well, like enough, well, but.

670
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<v Speaker 1>That means also by the way, if he's hitting the

671
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<v Speaker 1>ball in the ground war and his average launches nineteen,

672
00:36:31.920 --> 00:36:34.519
<v Speaker 1>that means he's throwing too high on the other end

673
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<v Speaker 1>to get tonight.

674
00:36:35.480 --> 00:36:38.000
<v Speaker 2>That means he's again he's not in the Goldilock zone anymore.

675
00:36:38.000 --> 00:36:40.320
<v Speaker 2>And that might be you know, he doesn't have the

676
00:36:40.920 --> 00:36:43.559
<v Speaker 2>quick twitch athleticism to squipt that like a hand. Eye

677
00:36:43.599 --> 00:36:45.880
<v Speaker 2>could be like it again, little stuff right, like maybe

678
00:36:45.960 --> 00:36:48.920
<v Speaker 2>his eyesight is going a little bit, like just enough.

679
00:36:48.760 --> 00:36:52.480
<v Speaker 1>So we go back to him full eye test in

680
00:36:52.559 --> 00:36:54.159
<v Speaker 1>spring training, please, and like.

681
00:36:54.199 --> 00:36:56.400
<v Speaker 2>Maybe something that wouldn't even necessarily show up. It could

682
00:36:56.440 --> 00:37:01.880
<v Speaker 2>be like just reaction time. Like they're so like high end.

683
00:37:02.280 --> 00:37:04.159
<v Speaker 2>They do more high end athletic testing to like draft

684
00:37:04.199 --> 00:37:07.719
<v Speaker 2>guys now too, And maybe the Braves have more information

685
00:37:07.760 --> 00:37:10.400
<v Speaker 2>about this than we do. I would hope they do.

686
00:37:12.000 --> 00:37:15.239
<v Speaker 2>But if something where it's not where there is a

687
00:37:15.320 --> 00:37:20.840
<v Speaker 2>clear decline in like KPIs, but it's underpinning a larger

688
00:37:20.880 --> 00:37:23.639
<v Speaker 2>decline in production than you think. Then you would think,

689
00:37:23.760 --> 00:37:28.599
<v Speaker 2>and there's some sort of the way these skills are interacting, right,

690
00:37:31.159 --> 00:37:34.159
<v Speaker 2>it's causing that decline. These the way these the way

691
00:37:34.199 --> 00:37:38.360
<v Speaker 2>this decline in skills or these declines in skills are interacting,

692
00:37:38.719 --> 00:37:40.800
<v Speaker 2>are having outsides effect on the outputs.

693
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, would be my something.

694
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<v Speaker 2>Maybe we do have that data and we're just not

695
00:37:45.440 --> 00:37:47.079
<v Speaker 2>looking at it the right way. But I assume teams

696
00:37:47.119 --> 00:37:51.679
<v Speaker 2>have more specific swing decision and outcome data related to

697
00:37:51.760 --> 00:37:53.360
<v Speaker 2>the swing, and I do.

698
00:37:53.559 --> 00:37:57.559
<v Speaker 1>I would buy that even little deteriorations across a number

699
00:37:57.599 --> 00:37:59.960
<v Speaker 1>of these things just you know, add up to a

700
00:38:00.159 --> 00:38:05.400
<v Speaker 1>big deterioration overall. But I can't I can't find like

701
00:38:05.639 --> 00:38:07.800
<v Speaker 1>when I was looking at Yeah, I can't find it

702
00:38:08.079 --> 00:38:10.159
<v Speaker 1>with like Garcia. And again I'm not saying I think

703
00:38:10.199 --> 00:38:12.920
<v Speaker 1>Garcia should have been his all star self, but it

704
00:38:13.039 --> 00:38:15.159
<v Speaker 1>was like enough to not be basically I know, he

705
00:38:15.239 --> 00:38:17.039
<v Speaker 1>got a ten million dollar contract this year because it's

706
00:38:17.039 --> 00:38:22.280
<v Speaker 1>the Phillies, but like he's basically cooked, like in my view,

707
00:38:22.519 --> 00:38:25.199
<v Speaker 1>and like I don't think he should be cooked. He

708
00:38:25.320 --> 00:38:28.320
<v Speaker 1>should be like a guy who floats around the league

709
00:38:28.360 --> 00:38:29.760
<v Speaker 1>for a while, and I don't know that he will

710
00:38:29.840 --> 00:38:33.039
<v Speaker 1>be after this deal. I think he's kind of I mean, look,

711
00:38:33.079 --> 00:38:35.679
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. Max Kepler got another contract, so maybe

712
00:38:35.719 --> 00:38:40.599
<v Speaker 1>I'm wrong, but it just seems like he's fully cooked

713
00:38:40.719 --> 00:38:42.840
<v Speaker 1>and like the data kind of says like there should

714
00:38:42.880 --> 00:38:47.039
<v Speaker 1>be more there than is there. But but I look

715
00:38:47.039 --> 00:38:50.800
<v Speaker 1>at him and I'm like, no, that's right, Like look,

716
00:38:51.039 --> 00:38:53.760
<v Speaker 1>mid six hundreds or worse ops is about right actually

717
00:38:53.840 --> 00:38:56.320
<v Speaker 1>for what I'm looking at. I don't know, it's just weird.

718
00:38:58.920 --> 00:39:00.719
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, is there anything else? I did just

719
00:39:00.800 --> 00:39:03.760
<v Speaker 1>want to know while we're while we're talking about Atlanta,

720
00:39:05.400 --> 00:39:09.760
<v Speaker 1>Holy shit, this bullten man. They're really good.

721
00:39:10.280 --> 00:39:14.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Older is not giving them as many leads to protect.

722
00:39:14.440 --> 00:39:20.239
<v Speaker 1>But no, I mean, but like Iglesias, Lee Suarez, I

723
00:39:20.320 --> 00:39:27.000
<v Speaker 1>know Suarez is hurt, Tyler Kinley, like Dylan Dodd, all

724
00:39:27.079 --> 00:39:27.559
<v Speaker 1>these guys.

725
00:39:27.760 --> 00:39:31.679
<v Speaker 2>I guess my question would be like, how how worried

726
00:39:31.719 --> 00:39:32.679
<v Speaker 2>are you about the Braves?

727
00:39:33.960 --> 00:39:35.599
<v Speaker 1>That is that is a good good Patrick.

728
00:39:36.199 --> 00:39:40.039
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they're what fifteen or sixteen? They won yesterday, so

729
00:39:40.039 --> 00:39:43.199
<v Speaker 2>they're sixteen over. Obviously, the Cubs are on the upswing

730
00:39:43.320 --> 00:39:46.840
<v Speaker 2>right now, and the Phillies are both ten or eleven

731
00:39:46.920 --> 00:39:50.239
<v Speaker 2>over now at this point, I think again, you're in

732
00:39:50.280 --> 00:39:52.039
<v Speaker 2>a situation where it's hard to see the Braves not

733
00:39:52.159 --> 00:39:56.679
<v Speaker 2>making the playoffs like the Cardinals and somebody else would

734
00:39:56.719 --> 00:40:01.480
<v Speaker 2>have to pass them, and I don't really see that happening.

735
00:40:02.000 --> 00:40:04.280
<v Speaker 2>But I guess where's the floor here?

736
00:40:04.440 --> 00:40:04.559
<v Speaker 3>Right?

737
00:40:04.719 --> 00:40:07.159
<v Speaker 2>Is probably the more well, and you.

738
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<v Speaker 3>Know the braves traditional method of getting thirty four year

739
00:40:11.360 --> 00:40:14.199
<v Speaker 3>olds to back up every position, and also your triple

740
00:40:14.280 --> 00:40:19.239
<v Speaker 3>A roster. You know that, you know they're this is

741
00:40:19.280 --> 00:40:22.440
<v Speaker 3>still a team that could really get ruined if they

742
00:40:22.480 --> 00:40:24.360
<v Speaker 3>have a couple more injuries and they haven't the healthiest

743
00:40:24.360 --> 00:40:30.519
<v Speaker 3>team ever. Likes out but like the boy, the backups

744
00:40:31.079 --> 00:40:31.960
<v Speaker 3>are real bad.

745
00:40:32.480 --> 00:40:37.079
<v Speaker 1>Especially like we knew that going. Yeah, right, you've known

746
00:40:37.159 --> 00:40:39.440
<v Speaker 1>them for a couple of years now, have you talked

747
00:40:39.440 --> 00:40:40.760
<v Speaker 1>about the age of their triple A?

748
00:40:40.960 --> 00:40:42.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean they weren't for the first two months?

749
00:40:43.000 --> 00:40:43.320
<v Speaker 2>Is the thing?

750
00:40:43.440 --> 00:40:43.559
<v Speaker 3>Right?

751
00:40:43.880 --> 00:40:49.840
<v Speaker 1>It was Dom Smith right, like well then uh right,

752
00:40:50.519 --> 00:40:54.920
<v Speaker 1>And I don't know what he's done recently. Againe is okay, Yeah,

753
00:40:55.000 --> 00:40:55.679
<v Speaker 1>it's cool.

754
00:40:55.800 --> 00:40:59.519
<v Speaker 3>It's become hor hem matio. Yeah, and then you have

755
00:41:00.039 --> 00:41:02.199
<v Speaker 3>a pitching staff, which you know Bryce Elder has fallen off,

756
00:41:02.239 --> 00:41:05.280
<v Speaker 3>but grand Hoolmes hasn't yet right, Like Grandolmes is still

757
00:41:05.360 --> 00:41:07.079
<v Speaker 3>kind of getting away with it. Martin Perez.

758
00:41:07.119 --> 00:41:09.880
<v Speaker 1>I mean, look, I thought Holmes had kind of slowed down.

759
00:41:09.880 --> 00:41:11.719
<v Speaker 2>I mean he has, he's like a four.

760
00:41:11.599 --> 00:41:13.800
<v Speaker 3>Year this last month, but like the FIP is like

761
00:41:13.840 --> 00:41:17.480
<v Speaker 3>five and a half, right, like it does cutting away

762
00:41:17.519 --> 00:41:22.119
<v Speaker 3>with something, right, Martin Perez is like kind of actually

763
00:41:22.199 --> 00:41:24.639
<v Speaker 3>good now, Like he's his strikeout rate is like one

764
00:41:24.639 --> 00:41:27.440
<v Speaker 3>of the highest of his career. He's like, I know

765
00:41:27.519 --> 00:41:29.960
<v Speaker 3>it's faint praise, but but a two to one strike

766
00:41:30.000 --> 00:41:32.880
<v Speaker 3>out to walk ratio for Martin Perez is pretty good. Yeah,

767
00:41:34.039 --> 00:41:38.679
<v Speaker 3>but still not good, like not playoff starter good. Jared

768
00:41:38.760 --> 00:41:43.719
<v Speaker 3>Richie's back down, like it's starting to go from things

769
00:41:43.760 --> 00:41:46.679
<v Speaker 3>could go wrong to needing to have things go right

770
00:41:47.599 --> 00:41:51.280
<v Speaker 3>at this point, especially with a rotation, because after Chris Sale,

771
00:41:52.400 --> 00:41:55.000
<v Speaker 3>now you just kind of need things to go right.

772
00:41:55.039 --> 00:41:57.039
<v Speaker 3>He needs you need swallow back to be to come

773
00:41:57.079 --> 00:41:59.960
<v Speaker 3>back and be ready. He need Strider to find something.

774
00:42:01.800 --> 00:42:03.320
<v Speaker 3>He's back on the aisle again, like.

775
00:42:04.199 --> 00:42:06.960
<v Speaker 2>They just got waldroped back yesterday, but they're so kind

776
00:42:07.000 --> 00:42:09.360
<v Speaker 2>of stretched, like he was pitching behind Lopez. They're still

777
00:42:09.400 --> 00:42:10.400
<v Speaker 2>kind of stretching him back out.

778
00:42:12.760 --> 00:42:15.840
<v Speaker 3>It's not like this team has much to to buye

779
00:42:15.920 --> 00:42:17.920
<v Speaker 3>with at the deadline, right.

780
00:42:18.000 --> 00:42:21.280
<v Speaker 2>Eric Cartman, Eric Cartman, I guess so I.

781
00:42:22.119 --> 00:42:26.199
<v Speaker 1>Have there's I want. There's another bat that has like

782
00:42:26.280 --> 00:42:26.840
<v Speaker 1>it has had.

783
00:42:26.760 --> 00:42:29.360
<v Speaker 2>A Nightingale said, they might be like a sneaky I

784
00:42:29.480 --> 00:42:32.920
<v Speaker 2>know it's Bob. They might be a sneaky scooble.

785
00:42:33.159 --> 00:42:37.039
<v Speaker 1>Right, I thought, I think I texted you, well, I

786
00:42:37.119 --> 00:42:40.320
<v Speaker 1>think they have some interesting things if it depends on

787
00:42:40.599 --> 00:42:45.320
<v Speaker 1>the Tiger's disposition, right, but they have a bunch of young, talented,

788
00:42:45.880 --> 00:42:51.440
<v Speaker 1>injured starters, right, and but with a lot of control,

789
00:42:51.760 --> 00:42:54.000
<v Speaker 1>ye think, because they're on the.

790
00:42:54.039 --> 00:42:56.599
<v Speaker 2>Major Murphy, right, you could go get on Murphy if

791
00:42:56.639 --> 00:42:58.960
<v Speaker 2>that's your If the Tigers.

792
00:42:58.599 --> 00:43:01.360
<v Speaker 1>Want swelling Box, it's like a top of the rotation

793
00:43:01.519 --> 00:43:05.960
<v Speaker 1>starter when he's healthy. It's not a bad piece theoretically,

794
00:43:06.760 --> 00:43:08.159
<v Speaker 1>depending on your risk.

795
00:43:09.760 --> 00:43:10.079
<v Speaker 3>And health.

796
00:43:10.159 --> 00:43:12.400
<v Speaker 2>Quickly and like if the Tigers say, okay, we want

797
00:43:12.559 --> 00:43:14.519
<v Speaker 2>you know, we've got we're gonna go comes up, he

798
00:43:14.559 --> 00:43:17.239
<v Speaker 2>looks like an all star. We've got Max Clark coming.

799
00:43:17.599 --> 00:43:19.079
<v Speaker 2>You know, we're still in sort of the peak heres

800
00:43:19.079 --> 00:43:20.920
<v Speaker 2>for I don't know what Dylan Dingler is like top

801
00:43:21.000 --> 00:43:23.400
<v Speaker 2>three catcher in baseball and continue, but we've.

802
00:43:23.199 --> 00:43:25.000
<v Speaker 1>Got this catcher in baseball right now?

803
00:43:25.119 --> 00:43:27.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know we got Max Clark. Riley Green is

804
00:43:27.559 --> 00:43:30.400
<v Speaker 2>still Riley Green is having a great year, right, Like,

805
00:43:30.519 --> 00:43:33.679
<v Speaker 2>we can compete next year even without Schoogle.

806
00:43:33.880 --> 00:43:35.599
<v Speaker 1>But you have fromber Valdez.

807
00:43:36.239 --> 00:43:38.719
<v Speaker 2>They're they're going to they are going to need another

808
00:43:38.760 --> 00:43:45.400
<v Speaker 2>picture right between mies and school. Yeah, so if you

809
00:43:45.440 --> 00:43:46.960
<v Speaker 2>go like you've always fell en back, you can see

810
00:43:47.039 --> 00:43:48.519
<v Speaker 2>the vasion, right if you want to be like, we're

811
00:43:48.559 --> 00:43:50.360
<v Speaker 2>going to reload for next year, and I and I

812
00:43:50.400 --> 00:43:51.519
<v Speaker 2>think that whatever you get back for.

813
00:43:51.559 --> 00:43:55.239
<v Speaker 1>School would theoretically be willing to you could see them

814
00:43:55.280 --> 00:44:00.920
<v Speaker 1>partying with with someone like that, yeah, because in a

815
00:44:01.039 --> 00:44:04.800
<v Speaker 1>sense they have depth of the number of guys like

816
00:44:04.960 --> 00:44:07.840
<v Speaker 1>that who are hurt but theoretically coming back.

817
00:44:08.119 --> 00:44:08.239
<v Speaker 3>Right.

818
00:44:09.159 --> 00:44:13.519
<v Speaker 1>But it look it would I understand from the Detroit perspective,

819
00:44:13.559 --> 00:44:15.679
<v Speaker 1>you could look at Schwellenbach and say, like, you're getting

820
00:44:15.679 --> 00:44:18.840
<v Speaker 1>a guy who keeps getting hurt. Yeah, but if you

821
00:44:19.000 --> 00:44:22.280
<v Speaker 1>can get the seasons out of him, right, like, it

822
00:44:22.400 --> 00:44:25.920
<v Speaker 1>could be a huge win. He's really really good when

823
00:44:25.960 --> 00:44:30.679
<v Speaker 1>he's healthy. If you think you can keep him healthy

824
00:44:31.239 --> 00:44:34.920
<v Speaker 1>or just get lucky enough, right enough, it's not even

825
00:44:34.960 --> 00:44:36.400
<v Speaker 1>about like, Okay, yes.

826
00:44:36.519 --> 00:44:39.239
<v Speaker 2>It doesn't have to be Schula Shwalamack. You've seen the

827
00:44:39.320 --> 00:44:41.480
<v Speaker 2>good side already, right, Like you've seen what he can

828
00:44:41.559 --> 00:44:43.679
<v Speaker 2>do when healthy. You know, you can like Owen Murphy

829
00:44:43.719 --> 00:44:45.639
<v Speaker 2>and Gerr. But Murphy is basically major league ready. He's

830
00:44:45.639 --> 00:44:47.760
<v Speaker 2>made eleven starts in Triple A. Richie has pitched in

831
00:44:47.840 --> 00:44:48.559
<v Speaker 2>the major sum.

832
00:44:49.039 --> 00:44:52.320
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well there's also I mean, like again, I wouldn't

833
00:44:52.519 --> 00:44:55.880
<v Speaker 1>I wouldn't consider him good enough for the like a

834
00:44:55.920 --> 00:44:59.280
<v Speaker 1>significant piece of the school deal. But there'shurstin Waldro really

835
00:44:59.280 --> 00:45:00.119
<v Speaker 1>good at the end of last.

836
00:45:00.039 --> 00:45:04.159
<v Speaker 2>Here, again, what you're pitching people think they what you're

837
00:45:04.199 --> 00:45:05.800
<v Speaker 2>pitching people like what they think they can do with

838
00:45:05.880 --> 00:45:10.079
<v Speaker 2>the guys you would be acquiring, right, Yeah, but I.

839
00:45:10.119 --> 00:45:14.960
<v Speaker 1>Think again, if you go to that plus their actual prospects, right,

840
00:45:15.159 --> 00:45:19.519
<v Speaker 1>not just hurt pitchers, Like there's theoretically something there. And again,

841
00:45:20.000 --> 00:45:25.280
<v Speaker 1>if you're offloading schoobl's going to carry eleven million dollars. Yeah,

842
00:45:25.960 --> 00:45:30.039
<v Speaker 1>that's I understand. It's not the thing fans necessarily want

843
00:45:30.079 --> 00:45:31.960
<v Speaker 1>to think about, but it matters to the front office,

844
00:45:32.239 --> 00:45:37.440
<v Speaker 1>it matters to the ownership. It's it's a couple months

845
00:45:37.519 --> 00:45:42.280
<v Speaker 1>of Schooble as good as Schooble is. I don't think

846
00:45:42.360 --> 00:45:44.719
<v Speaker 1>you're getting again you you wrote about this, Jeff, But

847
00:45:44.800 --> 00:45:49.559
<v Speaker 1>like I don't think you're getting multiple top fifty guys.

848
00:45:49.960 --> 00:45:53.559
<v Speaker 1>The return you're talking about is going to include someone in.

849
00:45:53.679 --> 00:45:57.239
<v Speaker 2>This, right, I don't think Cartman is a top fifty guy.

850
00:45:57.920 --> 00:45:58.599
<v Speaker 1>I probably not.

851
00:45:59.119 --> 00:46:01.800
<v Speaker 2>But you have like a second pieces here Hartman, tas

852
00:46:01.880 --> 00:46:06.840
<v Speaker 2>South and Scene Luis Guanifa, Like they have interesting guys

853
00:46:06.960 --> 00:46:10.400
<v Speaker 2>at positions of need. Like you know South of Scene

854
00:46:10.519 --> 00:46:13.920
<v Speaker 2>is a second middle endfielder. You know, Gwnefa and Hartman

855
00:46:14.079 --> 00:46:16.719
<v Speaker 2>are outfielders, which they they need both of those things

856
00:46:17.440 --> 00:46:20.480
<v Speaker 2>in addition to you know, close to ready pigeon, so

857
00:46:20.679 --> 00:46:24.519
<v Speaker 2>like they do they do actually match up here, and

858
00:46:24.639 --> 00:46:25.960
<v Speaker 2>like the braves of braves.

859
00:46:25.760 --> 00:46:27.239
<v Speaker 1>Like and they'll make a move.

860
00:46:27.480 --> 00:46:29.599
<v Speaker 2>They braves will make a move. And also like if

861
00:46:30.199 --> 00:46:32.800
<v Speaker 2>you know Matt Olsen's getting older, Austin Riley, you know,

862
00:46:32.960 --> 00:46:36.719
<v Speaker 2>like they don't have they they have a closing window

863
00:46:36.800 --> 00:46:38.519
<v Speaker 2>here too, right, Chris Sale only is another year on

864
00:46:38.599 --> 00:46:40.360
<v Speaker 2>his deal after this one, even though they keep maybe

865
00:46:40.400 --> 00:46:42.199
<v Speaker 2>they'll do the same thing again and push it out

866
00:46:42.199 --> 00:46:46.079
<v Speaker 2>another year. But he's not getting any younger. Either, like

867
00:46:46.159 --> 00:46:48.199
<v Speaker 2>they should probably try to push in a little bit

868
00:46:48.280 --> 00:46:48.599
<v Speaker 2>this year.

869
00:46:49.719 --> 00:46:56.199
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't. I don't think Bob's wrong.

870
00:46:56.599 --> 00:47:00.920
<v Speaker 1>I think it's actually a pretty good Yeah, don't clip

871
00:47:01.000 --> 00:47:01.440
<v Speaker 1>that please.

872
00:47:02.280 --> 00:47:03.880
<v Speaker 2>I think it's a pretty it'll be the title of

873
00:47:03.880 --> 00:47:04.440
<v Speaker 2>the episode.

874
00:47:06.159 --> 00:47:11.039
<v Speaker 1>I think it's a pretty good fit in a number

875
00:47:11.119 --> 00:47:16.039
<v Speaker 1>of ways. Again, depending on Detroit's.

876
00:47:16.280 --> 00:47:19.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Atlanta has been active the deadlines. They've never made

877
00:47:19.239 --> 00:47:23.719
<v Speaker 2>a deal like this, right, like the huge rental by trade.

878
00:47:23.760 --> 00:47:25.480
<v Speaker 2>But they might have to this year, right, they haven't

879
00:47:25.519 --> 00:47:26.599
<v Speaker 2>had to in the past.

880
00:47:27.360 --> 00:47:31.800
<v Speaker 1>Right, No, it's true, but I don't but they they

881
00:47:32.159 --> 00:47:34.039
<v Speaker 1>have not done that at the deadline. But obviously they

882
00:47:34.280 --> 00:47:37.320
<v Speaker 1>they went and got Matt Olsen, like they've done the

883
00:47:37.440 --> 00:47:38.360
<v Speaker 1>big swing.

884
00:47:38.239 --> 00:47:40.000
<v Speaker 2>Right, they can't keep this year. They're not gonna be

885
00:47:40.039 --> 00:47:41.840
<v Speaker 2>able to just go back and get Eddie Rosario again.

886
00:47:42.960 --> 00:47:43.960
<v Speaker 1>I think they probably can.

887
00:47:44.199 --> 00:47:46.199
<v Speaker 2>They probably can. Yes, they're going to need to do

888
00:47:46.360 --> 00:47:46.760
<v Speaker 2>more than that.

889
00:47:47.199 --> 00:47:50.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, no, I I think it would be. It's

890
00:47:50.800 --> 00:47:55.159
<v Speaker 1>a very intriguing fit for Schooble. I think I when

891
00:47:55.239 --> 00:47:57.679
<v Speaker 1>I was thinking about this, I don't know, a month

892
00:47:57.760 --> 00:48:01.880
<v Speaker 1>ago or whatever, I think Ita and Chicago really make

893
00:48:02.000 --> 00:48:04.159
<v Speaker 1>the most sense between need and.

894
00:48:06.719 --> 00:48:10.199
<v Speaker 2>Potential willingness, and you could argue Atlanta they don't have

895
00:48:10.280 --> 00:48:11.920
<v Speaker 2>as good a farm system as the cub but you

896
00:48:12.000 --> 00:48:16.079
<v Speaker 2>could argue that might and neither of them are good

897
00:48:16.159 --> 00:48:16.679
<v Speaker 2>farms well.

898
00:48:16.679 --> 00:48:21.199
<v Speaker 1>And again if you if you're considering Schwellenbach and Waldrop types,

899
00:48:21.800 --> 00:48:26.360
<v Speaker 1>that's not in the farm system. But they're controllable pieces

900
00:48:27.199 --> 00:48:30.559
<v Speaker 1>that can slide right into a contention window right right.

901
00:48:31.599 --> 00:48:34.199
<v Speaker 2>So I guess the Cubs could do that with like

902
00:48:34.239 --> 00:48:36.159
<v Speaker 2>Matt Shaw right if they wanted to, but not a

903
00:48:36.199 --> 00:48:37.320
<v Speaker 2>picture they have a.

904
00:48:37.440 --> 00:48:41.159
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think, so let's go to our third segment.

905
00:48:41.280 --> 00:48:43.599
<v Speaker 1>It should be a quick one. I know we've gone

906
00:48:43.679 --> 00:48:48.159
<v Speaker 1>long knives out, so I missed the first thing in

907
00:48:48.199 --> 00:48:49.320
<v Speaker 1>our rundown here Jeffrey.

908
00:48:49.440 --> 00:48:52.360
<v Speaker 2>So, so this is what actually brought it brought on

909
00:48:52.559 --> 00:48:57.960
<v Speaker 2>the Stone Garrett Instagram post. Okay, Josh Naylor got hit

910
00:48:58.000 --> 00:49:01.639
<v Speaker 2>by a pitch in the UH in the game against

911
00:49:01.639 --> 00:49:04.599
<v Speaker 2>the Guardians, and I didn't even see if. I don't

912
00:49:04.599 --> 00:49:07.039
<v Speaker 2>know if he said something or he overexaggerated. I don't.

913
00:49:07.039 --> 00:49:09.480
<v Speaker 2>I don't really think he did anything unusual within the

914
00:49:10.519 --> 00:49:13.880
<v Speaker 2>guardrails of Josh Josh Naylor on a baseball field, but

915
00:49:14.039 --> 00:49:15.320
<v Speaker 2>like he was walking down I don't know if he

916
00:49:15.360 --> 00:49:17.480
<v Speaker 2>says something to Hedges or Hedger said something to him,

917
00:49:17.840 --> 00:49:19.320
<v Speaker 2>but you can see he just say like, no one

918
00:49:19.480 --> 00:49:21.599
<v Speaker 2>likes you, just like and like not in like a

919
00:49:23.119 --> 00:49:26.000
<v Speaker 2>not like it did not appear to me to be

920
00:49:26.119 --> 00:49:28.760
<v Speaker 2>in like a joshing way or even like half she

921
00:49:29.000 --> 00:49:33.639
<v Speaker 2>like just like no one likes you, like very just

922
00:49:33.679 --> 00:49:34.440
<v Speaker 2>a statement of pack.

923
00:49:34.599 --> 00:49:34.760
<v Speaker 3>Yep.

924
00:49:35.320 --> 00:49:37.199
<v Speaker 2>It had the same kind of intonation as like you

925
00:49:37.280 --> 00:49:41.119
<v Speaker 2>know you parking lot or whatever. Right, It's the same

926
00:49:41.199 --> 00:49:45.679
<v Speaker 2>kind of like they're just like I am stating a fact.

927
00:49:46.360 --> 00:49:52.119
<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, well, which like definitely doesn't like him.

928
00:49:52.320 --> 00:49:54.559
<v Speaker 2>Well, it led to a lot of like okay, like yeah,

929
00:49:54.800 --> 00:49:59.000
<v Speaker 2>like because you know Naylor, I obviously know too much.

930
00:49:59.440 --> 00:50:02.199
<v Speaker 1>Is Josh Elder the Waterloo of First Basement.

931
00:50:03.639 --> 00:50:06.519
<v Speaker 2>But he's like I get how just from the outside

932
00:50:06.599 --> 00:50:08.039
<v Speaker 2>like the rock of Babe, like he's kind of a

933
00:50:08.119 --> 00:50:11.719
<v Speaker 2>red ass, but he's being more of like, you know,

934
00:50:11.840 --> 00:50:15.400
<v Speaker 2>a mostly acceptable fire. He's got some fire, right, And

935
00:50:15.480 --> 00:50:17.679
<v Speaker 2>obviously I had known about the quote unquote knife Frank

936
00:50:17.760 --> 00:50:20.960
<v Speaker 2>for the better part of a decade now, but Frank

937
00:50:21.119 --> 00:50:24.559
<v Speaker 2>again just that's that's what his agent called it. Yes,

938
00:50:24.679 --> 00:50:27.320
<v Speaker 2>but like Garrett actually like so for the people that

939
00:50:27.400 --> 00:50:29.800
<v Speaker 2>don't know. I think everybody knows now. I thought they

940
00:50:29.800 --> 00:50:32.280
<v Speaker 2>were roommates, but apparently they were next door neighbors, which

941
00:50:32.320 --> 00:50:34.239
<v Speaker 2>makes it even weirder because he just kept like walking

942
00:50:34.320 --> 00:50:38.400
<v Speaker 2>into breaking into Stone Garrett's apartment and like waiting for

943
00:50:38.519 --> 00:50:42.239
<v Speaker 2>him in the closet with a butcher knife like repeatedly. Uh,

944
00:50:42.480 --> 00:50:44.840
<v Speaker 2>and one of them he opened it and like I

945
00:50:44.880 --> 00:50:47.000
<v Speaker 2>guess tried to scare him and like stabbed him through

946
00:50:47.039 --> 00:50:50.280
<v Speaker 2>the hand. Yes, as Garrett had said, like he still

947
00:50:50.320 --> 00:50:52.360
<v Speaker 2>can't feel anything in that hand, which would be kind

948
00:50:52.360 --> 00:50:57.000
<v Speaker 2>of important. I think his thumbs stumpy, kind of important

949
00:50:57.159 --> 00:50:58.760
<v Speaker 2>for you know, professional.

950
00:51:00.079 --> 00:51:00.280
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

951
00:51:04.639 --> 00:51:09.280
<v Speaker 1>So, and they like treated him later that season two

952
00:51:09.280 --> 00:51:10.800
<v Speaker 1>weeks later, two weeks later.

953
00:51:10.679 --> 00:51:12.960
<v Speaker 2>I think in the Futures game, I remember I saw him,

954
00:51:13.360 --> 00:51:15.920
<v Speaker 2>and again I don't. I don't do a ton of

955
00:51:16.159 --> 00:51:20.719
<v Speaker 2>like makeup stuff when I'm watching games, right like outside

956
00:51:20.760 --> 00:51:22.679
<v Speaker 2>of like really.

957
00:51:22.639 --> 00:51:25.719
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, people, I should people have asked us about, like

958
00:51:25.800 --> 00:51:29.840
<v Speaker 1>why we stop addressing this, Yeah, I would say, I mean,

959
00:51:30.039 --> 00:51:34.039
<v Speaker 1>certainly what Jeff use is is a significant part of it.

960
00:51:34.119 --> 00:51:37.519
<v Speaker 1>But my view, as as the Minor League editor at

961
00:51:37.559 --> 00:51:40.519
<v Speaker 1>the time and now editor in chief a BP, was

962
00:51:40.800 --> 00:51:44.000
<v Speaker 1>not that this stuff doesn't matter, right, it does matter.

963
00:51:44.159 --> 00:51:46.039
<v Speaker 1>It can matter a whole hell of.

964
00:51:46.079 --> 00:51:49.000
<v Speaker 2>A lot, right, Like is the fact that Nolan McLain

965
00:51:49.079 --> 00:51:52.159
<v Speaker 2>has progressed more with pitch stuff than Jonah Tong a

966
00:51:52.239 --> 00:51:55.119
<v Speaker 2>positive makeup marker. I don't think so. I think they're both.

967
00:51:56.000 --> 00:51:58.119
<v Speaker 2>They're both working hard. Like Tong has been tinkering with

968
00:51:58.239 --> 00:52:00.239
<v Speaker 2>Armslide does whatever the team tells him to do. That

969
00:52:00.719 --> 00:52:02.880
<v Speaker 2>tries different pitches and things. Sometimes it just doesn't work.

970
00:52:03.039 --> 00:52:06.199
<v Speaker 1>It's well, it's it's first of all, if you're talking

971
00:52:06.239 --> 00:52:08.400
<v Speaker 1>about especially the way we used to do things, and

972
00:52:08.440 --> 00:52:10.360
<v Speaker 1>maybe even more so now. Right, But like if you

973
00:52:10.440 --> 00:52:13.519
<v Speaker 1>sat on someone for a series, right, you get at

974
00:52:13.599 --> 00:52:14.760
<v Speaker 1>most a week of their lives.

975
00:52:15.000 --> 00:52:17.679
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, right, Like that is not enough to say to

976
00:52:17.760 --> 00:52:20.480
<v Speaker 2>end up doing stuff like oh, how make character? How

977
00:52:20.559 --> 00:52:22.960
<v Speaker 2>engaged are they on infield outfield? None of them are

978
00:52:23.039 --> 00:52:25.239
<v Speaker 2>engaged on in field outfield, especially in the middle of

979
00:52:25.280 --> 00:52:26.519
<v Speaker 2>the summer. I got news for you.

980
00:52:27.320 --> 00:52:31.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but look, and I'm not saying you can't get indicators, sure,

981
00:52:31.440 --> 00:52:33.559
<v Speaker 1>but indicators aren't the truth.

982
00:52:33.760 --> 00:52:36.159
<v Speaker 2>I saw Peter Alonzo out there working on scoops for

983
00:52:36.280 --> 00:52:38.679
<v Speaker 2>like an hour before the game, right, I mean he

984
00:52:38.760 --> 00:52:42.559
<v Speaker 2>needed the work, right, Like he was putting in the work.

985
00:52:42.599 --> 00:52:44.519
<v Speaker 2>What does that what does that actually mean? Also have

986
00:52:44.599 --> 00:52:47.079
<v Speaker 2>to say I did see Josh Naylor start a bench

987
00:52:47.119 --> 00:52:49.440
<v Speaker 2>clearing brawl in Lakewood when he was standing on first base.

988
00:52:52.039 --> 00:52:53.679
<v Speaker 2>I don't think I don't think it gotten hit by pitch.

989
00:52:53.719 --> 00:52:55.159
<v Speaker 2>I think he just got it, got walked. I think

990
00:52:55.920 --> 00:52:57.760
<v Speaker 2>just started to fight. It started a benchuring ball on

991
00:52:57.800 --> 00:53:02.480
<v Speaker 2>first base. This is also before he got traded. He

992
00:53:02.519 --> 00:53:04.119
<v Speaker 2>was with the Marlin still at the time. I think

993
00:53:04.199 --> 00:53:05.760
<v Speaker 2>before I heard about the knife Frank too. It was

994
00:53:05.760 --> 00:53:08.960
<v Speaker 2>fairly early in the Yeah, I did you have the post?

995
00:53:09.079 --> 00:53:10.880
<v Speaker 1>I mean I don't, but yes, he was just like

996
00:53:11.280 --> 00:53:14.719
<v Speaker 1>multiple times just hiding, like hiding in a closet and

997
00:53:14.840 --> 00:53:19.119
<v Speaker 1>popping out with a knife. That is deranged stuff and

998
00:53:19.239 --> 00:53:22.239
<v Speaker 1>like that. The Marlins has anyone Patrick Click has anyone

999
00:53:22.480 --> 00:53:27.239
<v Speaker 1>asked Naylor about this since the Garrett post? But I'm

1000
00:53:27.280 --> 00:53:28.880
<v Speaker 1>just thinking because you're in the local.

1001
00:53:30.800 --> 00:53:32.599
<v Speaker 2>The Marlins were very much like, we're going to handle

1002
00:53:32.639 --> 00:53:34.719
<v Speaker 2>this in house, which is a very.

1003
00:53:34.679 --> 00:53:37.679
<v Speaker 3>Like it is a weird thing because everybody is like

1004
00:53:38.000 --> 00:53:40.960
<v Speaker 3>not everybody, but like a significant portion of people have

1005
00:53:41.039 --> 00:53:42.800
<v Speaker 3>known about this but don't remember it.

1006
00:53:43.599 --> 00:53:47.239
<v Speaker 2>Was there was a knife Frank because that was was.

1007
00:53:48.199 --> 00:53:51.519
<v Speaker 3>It an open secret like no one remembers anymore because

1008
00:53:51.559 --> 00:53:53.440
<v Speaker 3>it was so long ago. There was I supposed to

1009
00:53:53.480 --> 00:53:54.519
<v Speaker 3>be sharing this or not?

1010
00:53:55.840 --> 00:54:00.400
<v Speaker 1>Well, yeah, I don't knife, Frank. That was Builton in

1011
00:54:00.760 --> 00:54:03.320
<v Speaker 1>Garrett missing a lot of time and.

1012
00:54:03.400 --> 00:54:05.079
<v Speaker 2>Not being as good when he came back. And again

1013
00:54:05.119 --> 00:54:07.400
<v Speaker 2>it was his first He wasn't a huge he was

1014
00:54:07.440 --> 00:54:08.119
<v Speaker 2>an overslought.

1015
00:54:08.719 --> 00:54:10.480
<v Speaker 1>Look, this guy made it to the majors.

1016
00:54:10.559 --> 00:54:12.280
<v Speaker 2>He didn't finally make it to the med YEA, I don't.

1017
00:54:12.400 --> 00:54:14.960
<v Speaker 1>You don't necessarily want to say like he ruined this

1018
00:54:15.079 --> 00:54:17.679
<v Speaker 1>guy's career, but like it's not out of the question.

1019
00:54:18.079 --> 00:54:20.239
<v Speaker 2>He can't. He have feeling in a thumb, which is

1020
00:54:20.320 --> 00:54:23.320
<v Speaker 2>again important for a professional hitter of Baseball's right.

1021
00:54:24.960 --> 00:54:29.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, on that note, Yeah, we'll take a break.

1022
00:54:29.639 --> 00:54:30.760
<v Speaker 3>He's left on that contract.

1023
00:54:30.960 --> 00:54:33.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and our audience can consider what they might do

1024
00:54:35.400 --> 00:54:38.079
<v Speaker 1>for a nice prank, and we'll be back for the

1025
00:54:38.119 --> 00:55:04.960
<v Speaker 1>rest of the show. Welcome back to episode five hundred

1026
00:55:04.960 --> 00:55:08.960
<v Speaker 1>and fifty nine of five and Dive. We're on segment four.

1027
00:55:09.039 --> 00:55:12.360
<v Speaker 1>We're going around the horn. Jeffrey, would you like to

1028
00:55:12.519 --> 00:55:17.320
<v Speaker 1>just relay you your texts to us about Junior Cameron Herrow.

1029
00:55:17.800 --> 00:55:20.719
<v Speaker 2>Junior Camonaro is on an all time heater. He has

1030
00:55:20.840 --> 00:55:23.199
<v Speaker 2>homered in six straight games for the fraudulent Rays.

1031
00:55:24.760 --> 00:55:26.480
<v Speaker 1>I don't think Junior Camonaro is fraudulent.

1032
00:55:26.599 --> 00:55:29.920
<v Speaker 2>Junior Camonaro is definitely not for fraudulent. He's also as

1033
00:55:30.000 --> 00:55:32.039
<v Speaker 2>I possibly, what was what was.

1034
00:55:32.079 --> 00:55:34.320
<v Speaker 1>The length on the one that you took, the one

1035
00:55:34.440 --> 00:55:35.079
<v Speaker 1>that you said.

1036
00:55:34.920 --> 00:55:38.480
<v Speaker 2>One of the ones that you sixty eight to write,

1037
00:55:39.360 --> 00:55:41.719
<v Speaker 2>it went to a place in I think left center

1038
00:55:41.920 --> 00:55:46.880
<v Speaker 2>in Tampa that you do not normally like it got

1039
00:55:46.920 --> 00:55:52.639
<v Speaker 2>to the concourse in like left center, which I just

1040
00:55:52.719 --> 00:55:53.519
<v Speaker 2>don't think, like.

1041
00:55:53.519 --> 00:55:56.119
<v Speaker 1>One thirteen I remember. Yeah, this is all just off memory,

1042
00:55:56.159 --> 00:55:57.159
<v Speaker 1>one thirteen off the bat.

1043
00:55:57.400 --> 00:56:00.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah he can do that obviously. Yes, Like like even

1044
00:56:00.880 --> 00:56:02.480
<v Speaker 2>I didn't even bother sending you the one last night.

1045
00:56:02.559 --> 00:56:05.199
<v Speaker 2>It was only like one nine four thirty. Yeah, I

1046
00:56:05.280 --> 00:56:06.400
<v Speaker 2>thought it's not worth it.

1047
00:56:06.880 --> 00:56:10.880
<v Speaker 1>He is also once again leading the league in ground

1048
00:56:10.920 --> 00:56:11.639
<v Speaker 1>into double plays.

1049
00:56:11.840 --> 00:56:14.920
<v Speaker 2>Sure, very hard.

1050
00:56:15.159 --> 00:56:18.719
<v Speaker 1>You can just lock in. Yeah, as long as John

1051
00:56:18.760 --> 00:56:21.679
<v Speaker 1>Carlos Stanton is is not healthy, you can lock in

1052
00:56:21.760 --> 00:56:22.440
<v Speaker 1>the league leader.

1053
00:56:22.880 --> 00:56:24.480
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. In g I DP.

1054
00:56:27.440 --> 00:56:30.000
<v Speaker 2>He is as I hoped on Monday show in the

1055
00:56:30.039 --> 00:56:31.880
<v Speaker 2>home run derby so that we have that talk.

1056
00:56:32.039 --> 00:56:35.119
<v Speaker 1>Oh is he Yeah, Okay, he's the first person that's

1057
00:56:35.159 --> 00:56:36.039
<v Speaker 1>worth tuning into.

1058
00:56:36.360 --> 00:56:39.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's got a very short concourse in Philadelphia too.

1059
00:56:40.360 --> 00:56:43.760
<v Speaker 1>Hit something there, he might hit it over the batter's eide.

1060
00:56:44.000 --> 00:56:49.119
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Last last fourteen days, four thirteen, four sixty two,

1061
00:56:49.320 --> 00:56:53.760
<v Speaker 2>one thousand. Wow, that's twelve games with a one thousand slogging.

1062
00:56:53.800 --> 00:56:54.840
<v Speaker 2>He's hit nine home runs?

1063
00:56:55.760 --> 00:56:58.599
<v Speaker 1>Is it's only slightly ahead of Dansby Swanson?

1064
00:56:58.800 --> 00:57:02.719
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Probably the last fourteenth days, last twenty eight days,

1065
00:57:03.519 --> 00:57:05.320
<v Speaker 2>three thirty three, ninety eight, seven oh three.

1066
00:57:07.679 --> 00:57:08.280
<v Speaker 1>It's pretty good.

1067
00:57:08.320 --> 00:57:09.440
<v Speaker 2>He's just he's only twenty two.

1068
00:57:10.480 --> 00:57:16.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but like it's not do you think I think

1069
00:57:16.840 --> 00:57:18.880
<v Speaker 1>you're not anticipating. I don't know, like you're saying he's

1070
00:57:18.880 --> 00:57:20.320
<v Speaker 1>only ton to two, which is great, but it's probably

1071
00:57:20.400 --> 00:57:24.559
<v Speaker 1>like this is probably around where he tops out. I mean,

1072
00:57:24.960 --> 00:57:28.920
<v Speaker 1>what's the other year? Could he hit like stoping the place.

1073
00:57:28.840 --> 00:57:30.800
<v Speaker 2>It's not hitting a day? Could he hit sixty home

1074
00:57:30.840 --> 00:57:31.519
<v Speaker 2>runs in a season?

1075
00:57:32.239 --> 00:57:32.440
<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

1076
00:57:32.480 --> 00:57:33.800
<v Speaker 1>I think that's right.

1077
00:57:34.400 --> 00:57:37.039
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean I guess he's on pace for almost

1078
00:57:37.079 --> 00:57:38.880
<v Speaker 2>fifty this year and he hit forty five last year.

1079
00:57:40.000 --> 00:57:43.239
<v Speaker 2>I do Well, Well, here you go. Craig His ops

1080
00:57:43.360 --> 00:57:45.639
<v Speaker 2>by year the last four seasons six thirty one, seven,

1081
00:57:45.679 --> 00:57:48.280
<v Speaker 2>twenty four, eight, forty six, ninety three. So just keep

1082
00:57:48.320 --> 00:57:49.559
<v Speaker 2>going on one hundred points every year.

1083
00:57:49.639 --> 00:57:53.239
<v Speaker 1>Right, But well, essentially he's you end up he doesn't

1084
00:57:53.239 --> 00:57:55.159
<v Speaker 1>have the walks or whatever. It's a different profile. But

1085
00:57:55.199 --> 00:57:56.639
<v Speaker 1>then he's walking about like right handed.

1086
00:57:56.679 --> 00:57:59.639
<v Speaker 2>Yourd On Alvarez as like, but I don't know if

1087
00:57:59.639 --> 00:58:01.679
<v Speaker 2>he has I'm walking like twelve percent of the time.

1088
00:58:01.800 --> 00:58:03.639
<v Speaker 2>He's like, there's nobody else not lying up the pitch too,

1089
00:58:03.960 --> 00:58:05.760
<v Speaker 2>But he still had to not say at the pitches.

1090
00:58:06.519 --> 00:58:09.039
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I do want to point out, like I joked

1091
00:58:09.480 --> 00:58:12.880
<v Speaker 1>about Swanson, Swanson's last fourteen days three seventy five, four

1092
00:58:13.079 --> 00:58:14.440
<v Speaker 1>four nine.

1093
00:58:14.639 --> 00:58:17.199
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he is only.

1094
00:58:17.039 --> 00:58:25.639
<v Speaker 1>Slightly ahead of fancy swaps. Cooper Ingle had a bad moment.

1095
00:58:25.880 --> 00:58:29.679
<v Speaker 2>He did, he had benniagg Bayanis did, Yeah, we need

1096
00:58:30.519 --> 00:58:30.920
<v Speaker 2>I you.

1097
00:58:30.960 --> 00:58:34.159
<v Speaker 3>Know, this isn't worth an article, but man, I've always

1098
00:58:34.320 --> 00:58:36.760
<v Speaker 3>you know, I remember somebody saying, once we have all

1099
00:58:36.800 --> 00:58:39.880
<v Speaker 3>the leaderboards whatever need and man, we need a leaderboard

1100
00:58:39.880 --> 00:58:43.000
<v Speaker 3>for this. We need a designated place where you can

1101
00:58:43.039 --> 00:58:45.079
<v Speaker 3>look up every player in history who has done this,

1102
00:58:45.760 --> 00:58:47.119
<v Speaker 3>just so you can be like, this needs to be

1103
00:58:47.159 --> 00:58:47.559
<v Speaker 3>a club.

1104
00:58:48.360 --> 00:58:51.159
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and yeah, it is a harmless club, but like

1105
00:58:51.519 --> 00:58:54.039
<v Speaker 1>it's a club like Learry, it wasn't harmless in this

1106
00:58:54.559 --> 00:58:55.840
<v Speaker 1>instance they lost it.

1107
00:58:55.960 --> 00:58:58.679
<v Speaker 3>Only they lost thank god. Like I wrote the most

1108
00:58:58.800 --> 00:59:01.800
<v Speaker 3>merciful insurance run in baseball history when the Rangers made

1109
00:59:01.840 --> 00:59:07.559
<v Speaker 3>it four too. Yeah, somebody something that again will never

1110
00:59:07.639 --> 00:59:08.159
<v Speaker 3>happen again.

1111
00:59:09.599 --> 00:59:14.039
<v Speaker 1>He is a catcher, stakes Patrick different steaks.

1112
00:59:14.840 --> 00:59:16.559
<v Speaker 2>He has not played a lot of corner outfield.

1113
00:59:16.719 --> 00:59:20.400
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, yeah, that's a tough one.

1114
00:59:20.840 --> 00:59:24.320
<v Speaker 3>Uh, Steve Cohen, do we actually say what he did?

1115
00:59:25.039 --> 00:59:26.039
<v Speaker 3>He did? I not.

1116
00:59:26.199 --> 00:59:30.360
<v Speaker 1>He threw the ball into the stands with with two outs, and.

1117
00:59:30.400 --> 00:59:33.639
<v Speaker 3>There was a runner on second who dropped around. Everyone

1118
00:59:33.760 --> 00:59:37.000
<v Speaker 3>just stood there and watched. Uh Tanner Bidy's expression.

1119
00:59:37.400 --> 00:59:41.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Harry Biby, Who who did you write it? You

1120
00:59:41.079 --> 00:59:42.159
<v Speaker 1>wrote about right?

1121
00:59:42.239 --> 00:59:44.000
<v Speaker 3>Yeah? I put this in DSDH.

1122
00:59:44.079 --> 00:59:46.840
<v Speaker 1>No, but you wrote about him earlier in this also

1123
00:59:47.320 --> 00:59:51.320
<v Speaker 1>is one of the hardest luck yeah players this year,

1124
00:59:51.559 --> 00:59:53.679
<v Speaker 1>just in terms of like win loss record stuff like that.

1125
00:59:53.800 --> 00:59:56.920
<v Speaker 1>I know he's not pitched terrifically either, but he's also

1126
00:59:57.039 --> 01:00:05.760
<v Speaker 1>been very unlucky elsewhere. Steve Cohen has said that David

1127
01:00:05.840 --> 01:00:13.280
<v Speaker 1>Sterns will quote ride out end quote his contract. He's

1128
01:00:13.320 --> 01:00:16.320
<v Speaker 1>in year three of a five year contract. I wouldn't

1129
01:00:16.440 --> 01:00:21.840
<v Speaker 1>call it the most ringing of endorsements. In terms of phrasing.

1130
01:00:23.159 --> 01:00:26.840
<v Speaker 1>My guess is that Stern's sorry, Stern's Cohen did not

1131
01:00:27.079 --> 01:00:32.159
<v Speaker 1>mean this in any sort of derogatory or I'm.

1132
01:00:32.039 --> 01:00:33.360
<v Speaker 2>Not the like for a guy.

1133
01:00:33.559 --> 01:00:35.239
<v Speaker 1>He's not a words guy.

1134
01:00:36.800 --> 01:00:41.400
<v Speaker 3>Mhm. Well, Also, you don't want to do too complimentary,

1135
01:00:41.639 --> 01:00:44.119
<v Speaker 3>because that's the kiss of death when you're like over

1136
01:00:44.239 --> 01:00:49.039
<v Speaker 3>praising the guy is doing, you know, clearly a bad job,

1137
01:00:49.199 --> 01:00:51.519
<v Speaker 3>or at least you know it's getting bad results. Made

1138
01:00:51.519 --> 01:00:54.159
<v Speaker 3>me talk about, right, you want to thread the balance

1139
01:00:54.239 --> 01:00:56.320
<v Speaker 3>of being like, yeah, he's fine, you know when you're doing.

1140
01:00:56.239 --> 01:00:58.840
<v Speaker 2>It on the New York Post Baseball podcast, for some reason,

1141
01:01:00.000 --> 01:01:03.760
<v Speaker 2>we got to consider the audience. Yeah, no, Like, it

1142
01:01:03.840 --> 01:01:09.199
<v Speaker 2>was very funny because he was getting people were I

1143
01:01:09.280 --> 01:01:11.159
<v Speaker 2>don't remember, but he was tweeting. He should not be

1144
01:01:11.199 --> 01:01:14.039
<v Speaker 2>tweeting either. Oh he like he does. He said he

1145
01:01:14.159 --> 01:01:16.440
<v Speaker 2>was going to make a statement soon, and I'm just like,

1146
01:01:16.559 --> 01:01:17.960
<v Speaker 2>oh god. But I figured he was going like he

1147
01:01:18.000 --> 01:01:19.960
<v Speaker 2>did a press conference in twenty twenty three, right when

1148
01:01:20.000 --> 01:01:24.679
<v Speaker 2>things weren't going well. So I thought, okay, he'll just

1149
01:01:24.719 --> 01:01:26.800
<v Speaker 2>have a press conference. You know, they just fired their manager.

1150
01:01:26.920 --> 01:01:29.000
<v Speaker 2>But he'll do like a basic maybe like a pre

1151
01:01:29.119 --> 01:01:32.239
<v Speaker 2>All Star Game thing or something, but no, he just

1152
01:01:32.360 --> 01:01:36.599
<v Speaker 2>went on the New York Posts podcast with John Hayman

1153
01:01:36.599 --> 01:01:38.639
<v Speaker 2>and Joel Sherman, which is very funny because Joel Sherman

1154
01:01:39.039 --> 01:01:41.199
<v Speaker 2>complained a lot that they only went to Anthony Jacomo

1155
01:01:41.320 --> 01:01:45.840
<v Speaker 2>to say Carlos Mendoza was safe back in May, and like,

1156
01:01:45.880 --> 01:01:47.039
<v Speaker 2>oh you got to talk to you. Why you're only

1157
01:01:47.079 --> 01:01:51.000
<v Speaker 2>talking to one media source. Fine, when it's fine, when

1158
01:01:51.000 --> 01:01:53.239
<v Speaker 2>it's me right. He said a lot of other things

1159
01:01:53.280 --> 01:01:54.760
<v Speaker 2>too that he shouldn't, but that's just part of the

1160
01:01:54.760 --> 01:01:57.800
<v Speaker 2>Steve Cohen experience at this point. I mean, he did

1161
01:01:57.880 --> 01:01:59.280
<v Speaker 2>say things like, look, we have to look at our

1162
01:01:59.320 --> 01:02:02.039
<v Speaker 2>processes and like you can have good process and bad outcomes,

1163
01:02:02.079 --> 01:02:04.519
<v Speaker 2>Like he said, all the right things and that respect.

1164
01:02:04.559 --> 01:02:06.639
<v Speaker 2>And I do think Stearns is probably safe for the

1165
01:02:06.719 --> 01:02:09.039
<v Speaker 2>duration of this contract for a variety of reasons, including

1166
01:02:09.079 --> 01:02:10.760
<v Speaker 2>the ones he outlined about being like that, who do

1167
01:02:10.800 --> 01:02:12.920
<v Speaker 2>you hire after this, which is something that no point

1168
01:02:12.960 --> 01:02:14.159
<v Speaker 2>that Jarry and I have made a lot over the

1169
01:02:14.239 --> 01:02:15.480
<v Speaker 2>last six months or.

1170
01:02:15.480 --> 01:02:16.800
<v Speaker 1>So I talked about last podcast.

1171
01:02:16.960 --> 01:02:20.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but yeah, like you don't.

1172
01:02:20.760 --> 01:02:26.440
<v Speaker 1>Is an unfortunate frame it because it sounds like we're

1173
01:02:26.480 --> 01:02:27.199
<v Speaker 1>just gonna live with it.

1174
01:02:27.360 --> 01:02:29.199
<v Speaker 2>We're gonna live with it, right, Yeah, But.

1175
01:02:30.199 --> 01:02:33.719
<v Speaker 1>I think I think he's I don't know that he's

1176
01:02:33.840 --> 01:02:34.639
<v Speaker 1>like happy with it.

1177
01:02:35.119 --> 01:02:36.519
<v Speaker 2>But I don't think you, I mean you shouldn't. I

1178
01:02:36.519 --> 01:02:38.519
<v Speaker 2>don't think David Stearns is happy with it, right, Yeah, but.

1179
01:02:38.519 --> 01:02:40.199
<v Speaker 1>I don't But I don't think but I don't think

1180
01:02:40.239 --> 01:02:42.679
<v Speaker 1>Steve Cohen is unhappy with David Stearns. I think he's

1181
01:02:42.719 --> 01:02:45.360
<v Speaker 1>unhappy with the results, right, which is.

1182
01:02:45.400 --> 01:02:48.599
<v Speaker 2>Something that like Mets fans can't parse for some reason.

1183
01:02:49.320 --> 01:02:54.519
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there there is an additional uh, another round of

1184
01:02:54.719 --> 01:02:59.159
<v Speaker 1>of MLB h M, l B P A c B A.

1185
01:02:59.559 --> 01:03:04.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, should know some thought they might miss games next year,

1186
01:03:04.400 --> 01:03:07.079
<v Speaker 2>which is not something you want your owners specifically. Yeah,

1187
01:03:08.039 --> 01:03:09.119
<v Speaker 2>I don't know how this is a good idea.

1188
01:03:10.119 --> 01:03:12.559
<v Speaker 1>So so this is latest MLBP proposal. But did we

1189
01:03:13.360 --> 01:03:15.559
<v Speaker 1>do we cover the prior.

1190
01:03:16.000 --> 01:03:18.519
<v Speaker 2>We talked at the draft stole y, Yeah, and when

1191
01:03:18.599 --> 01:03:19.840
<v Speaker 2>we talked about I think.

1192
01:03:20.079 --> 01:03:24.760
<v Speaker 1>The contract length. I mean, yeah, none of this is

1193
01:03:25.119 --> 01:03:26.159
<v Speaker 1>I can't I wasn't.

1194
01:03:26.039 --> 01:03:26.599
<v Speaker 3>Here for something.

1195
01:03:26.679 --> 01:03:27.400
<v Speaker 1>I just wasn't sure.

1196
01:03:29.639 --> 01:03:33.400
<v Speaker 2>I don't know whatever, I don't know the details, just

1197
01:03:33.519 --> 01:03:35.159
<v Speaker 2>like leak, Yeah.

1198
01:03:35.519 --> 01:03:39.920
<v Speaker 1>Intermittently so it's not always clear. I I just wanted

1199
01:03:39.960 --> 01:03:42.760
<v Speaker 1>to cover it if we didn't. But but Patrick, I

1200
01:03:42.880 --> 01:03:46.679
<v Speaker 1>know I shared the details of this with you. Do

1201
01:03:46.760 --> 01:03:48.639
<v Speaker 1>you have do you have it in front of you?

1202
01:03:48.719 --> 01:03:49.920
<v Speaker 3>What the the.

1203
01:03:52.639 --> 01:03:56.119
<v Speaker 1>Specifically it's looking at trends. This this portion of the

1204
01:03:56.199 --> 01:04:01.320
<v Speaker 1>proposal was specifically about UH transaction.

1205
01:04:03.039 --> 01:04:03.960
<v Speaker 2>Fewer options.

1206
01:04:05.079 --> 01:04:11.320
<v Speaker 3>It's adorably it's adorably minute ship yes yearly compared their own.

1207
01:04:13.000 --> 01:04:15.559
<v Speaker 3>The owners are like, we're we're never going to pay

1208
01:04:15.599 --> 01:04:18.880
<v Speaker 3>any ever again. And the LVPA is like, we'd like

1209
01:04:18.960 --> 01:04:21.119
<v Speaker 3>an extra couple of roster thoughts for the first two

1210
01:04:21.119 --> 01:04:21.880
<v Speaker 3>weeks of the season.

1211
01:04:22.400 --> 01:04:24.559
<v Speaker 1>So that is That was the first billet point, which

1212
01:04:24.760 --> 01:04:27.440
<v Speaker 1>was expanding active rosters from twenty six to twenty eight

1213
01:04:27.559 --> 01:04:30.920
<v Speaker 1>for the first fifteen days of the season, just to

1214
01:04:32.159 --> 01:04:35.119
<v Speaker 1>make it more of a glide path out of spring training. Sure,

1215
01:04:35.599 --> 01:04:39.079
<v Speaker 1>I suppose. Look, I understand why they're asking for this.

1216
01:04:39.159 --> 01:04:43.119
<v Speaker 1>It's it's additional service time for additional people. I don't

1217
01:04:44.039 --> 01:04:47.119
<v Speaker 1>I don't like it's it's like it's I don't think

1218
01:04:47.159 --> 01:04:50.199
<v Speaker 1>it's good for the game necessarily, it's fine, I don't pay.

1219
01:04:50.679 --> 01:04:52.519
<v Speaker 3>It's essentially like it doesn't hurt the game and it

1220
01:04:52.719 --> 01:04:54.280
<v Speaker 3>keeps it's another reason.

1221
01:04:54.239 --> 01:04:55.599
<v Speaker 2>To stars aren't good.

1222
01:04:57.280 --> 01:05:00.800
<v Speaker 1>From their perspective, that's fine. Like I'm not flammoring, yes

1223
01:05:02.639 --> 01:05:04.679
<v Speaker 1>I don't. I would prefer more time where the regular

1224
01:05:04.719 --> 01:05:07.079
<v Speaker 1>season is just the regular season and not weird and

1225
01:05:07.679 --> 01:05:11.400
<v Speaker 1>slightly different. But like I get I get it.

1226
01:05:12.639 --> 01:05:16.119
<v Speaker 3>The big one is no, I just thought the big one,

1227
01:05:16.280 --> 01:05:19.639
<v Speaker 3>like it really is like quality of life stuff, right,

1228
01:05:19.840 --> 01:05:22.880
<v Speaker 3>like having you know, letting people be on the sixty

1229
01:05:22.960 --> 01:05:24.719
<v Speaker 3>Day Island November so you don't have to cut a

1230
01:05:24.760 --> 01:05:25.039
<v Speaker 3>bunch of.

1231
01:05:25.039 --> 01:05:27.239
<v Speaker 1>People just because it's also good for teams.

1232
01:05:27.880 --> 01:05:29.920
<v Speaker 3>It is good for teams. Yeah, Like it's annoying to

1233
01:05:29.960 --> 01:05:33.000
<v Speaker 3>have to cut one of your decent like fringe guys

1234
01:05:33.079 --> 01:05:35.480
<v Speaker 3>because you know you have three guys come off happy.

1235
01:05:35.639 --> 01:05:38.480
<v Speaker 1>The race would be oh man, so save some of

1236
01:05:38.519 --> 01:05:43.880
<v Speaker 1>those rosters and I mean like they'll do whatever, but

1237
01:05:44.119 --> 01:05:47.960
<v Speaker 1>like they'll be thrilled. Yeah, And I'm not even I'm

1238
01:05:47.960 --> 01:05:49.199
<v Speaker 1>not trying to take a shot that a lot of

1239
01:05:49.199 --> 01:05:50.960
<v Speaker 1>the Rays are hurt. It's just a way for them

1240
01:05:51.039 --> 01:05:54.440
<v Speaker 1>to save a roster spot. They're kind of a lot

1241
01:05:54.480 --> 01:05:57.599
<v Speaker 1>of those weird little deals you see in in November

1242
01:05:57.639 --> 01:06:00.599
<v Speaker 1>and December or whatever are because they're are trying to

1243
01:06:01.440 --> 01:06:04.000
<v Speaker 1>they have always got a wave of people about to

1244
01:06:04.599 --> 01:06:06.360
<v Speaker 1>need to be added to the forty man and so

1245
01:06:06.400 --> 01:06:09.519
<v Speaker 1>they're just trying to optimize their system that way. This

1246
01:06:09.559 --> 01:06:11.639
<v Speaker 1>would help them help them out of that crunch a

1247
01:06:11.679 --> 01:06:12.039
<v Speaker 1>little bit.

1248
01:06:14.119 --> 01:06:17.320
<v Speaker 3>So reducing the number of in season options from five

1249
01:06:17.400 --> 01:06:20.039
<v Speaker 3>to three, which was already reduced from I think was

1250
01:06:20.079 --> 01:06:22.960
<v Speaker 3>it infinite to five was the first time through, and

1251
01:06:23.039 --> 01:06:26.119
<v Speaker 3>now it's five to three. They're just trying to slid

1252
01:06:26.159 --> 01:06:29.400
<v Speaker 3>down the shuttle, which is just going to give you

1253
01:06:29.440 --> 01:06:32.280
<v Speaker 3>more Carlos grascows. But you know, whatever can't stady, it's

1254
01:06:32.280 --> 01:06:33.679
<v Speaker 3>gonna be harder to program out.

1255
01:06:34.079 --> 01:06:38.119
<v Speaker 1>I do wonder if this doesn't it slows down the shuttle,

1256
01:06:38.199 --> 01:06:41.039
<v Speaker 1>but it says it's specifically to combat roster churn, and

1257
01:06:41.159 --> 01:06:44.800
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if it wouldn't enhance roster turn. I

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01:06:44.840 --> 01:06:48.760
<v Speaker 1>mean it you just do the DFA. It does give

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01:06:48.760 --> 01:06:51.880
<v Speaker 1>the players more options, right right, And I agree with that,

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01:06:52.039 --> 01:06:54.239
<v Speaker 1>but I don't know that it addresses churn. It gives

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01:06:54.320 --> 01:06:58.320
<v Speaker 1>but it gives players options amazing.

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01:06:58.960 --> 01:07:03.760
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, this one's one might be my favorite. Moving up

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01:07:03.800 --> 01:07:07.360
<v Speaker 3>the Rule five draft in the final year of the

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01:07:07.480 --> 01:07:12.800
<v Speaker 3>c b A, just not every year the ones before

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01:07:12.920 --> 01:07:15.559
<v Speaker 3>they might be a strike or what works stoppage.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, the goal there is to make sure there is

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01:07:18.519 --> 01:07:21.239
<v Speaker 1>a rule five draft right exactly last time they.

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01:07:25.280 --> 01:07:28.159
<v Speaker 3>And then provide them will be pay for players who

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01:07:28.199 --> 01:07:29.239
<v Speaker 3>are optioned at September.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh yeah, yeah, extras Max Meyer exactly.

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01:07:39.320 --> 01:07:45.159
<v Speaker 3>And this is like it's not great. You know, it

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01:07:45.239 --> 01:07:48.000
<v Speaker 3>does not improve the product, but also it's pretty easy

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01:07:48.000 --> 01:07:50.360
<v Speaker 3>to go like, yeah, come on, it's like.

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01:07:50.679 --> 01:07:54.119
<v Speaker 1>Like it does improve the product because it removes the

1275
01:07:54.280 --> 01:07:57.599
<v Speaker 1>incentive to do this weird little.

1276
01:07:57.840 --> 01:07:59.039
<v Speaker 3>Forced them to find new incentives.

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01:07:59.079 --> 01:08:01.840
<v Speaker 2>Fine, Like it's like, if you want to manipulate the

1278
01:08:01.880 --> 01:08:03.559
<v Speaker 2>service time, you got to pay for it for the

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01:08:03.599 --> 01:08:04.320
<v Speaker 2>two leak space.

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01:08:04.440 --> 01:08:07.559
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and I guess look, I always preference and say

1281
01:08:07.599 --> 01:08:10.320
<v Speaker 1>like we're biased on this. I'm not trying to hide

1282
01:08:10.320 --> 01:08:11.639
<v Speaker 1>the ball on that kind of stuff. But if you

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01:08:11.800 --> 01:08:19.399
<v Speaker 1>look at what these proposal details address, like the PA

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01:08:19.520 --> 01:08:26.560
<v Speaker 1>proposals repeatedly are like stop finding loopholes, and the players

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01:08:26.640 --> 01:08:33.359
<v Speaker 1>and the game and the owners are like take less money.

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01:08:35.680 --> 01:08:39.920
<v Speaker 1>And I think, like that's a that's a joke, but

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01:08:40.039 --> 01:08:40.720
<v Speaker 1>it's also.

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01:08:40.960 --> 01:08:43.239
<v Speaker 2>It is very much not a joke.

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01:08:43.760 --> 01:08:46.960
<v Speaker 1>It's not it's very much not a joke. And I

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01:08:47.119 --> 01:08:51.119
<v Speaker 1>think that should tell you where each side is coming

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01:08:51.199 --> 01:08:55.199
<v Speaker 1>from in terms of what they're trying to accomplish with

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01:08:55.439 --> 01:08:58.920
<v Speaker 1>their proposals. Are the players self interested?

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01:08:59.520 --> 01:09:00.279
<v Speaker 3>Yes, yea.

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01:09:01.279 --> 01:09:07.359
<v Speaker 1>Also their self interest is better for the game than

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01:09:07.399 --> 01:09:08.600
<v Speaker 1>the owner's self interest.

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01:09:08.720 --> 01:09:11.039
<v Speaker 2>I saw someone on Blue Sky just be like, I

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01:09:11.159 --> 01:09:13.920
<v Speaker 2>know none of this matters, but it is. It's weird

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01:09:14.000 --> 01:09:18.720
<v Speaker 2>that their owners are just like presenting their view of

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01:09:18.920 --> 01:09:22.039
<v Speaker 2>like idealized baseball, and it's the most horrible thing you've

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01:09:22.079 --> 01:09:25.319
<v Speaker 2>ever seen. Like they're not like they're not even trying.

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01:09:25.640 --> 01:09:29.760
<v Speaker 1>It's very much a Silicon Valley Tech ceo being like,

1302
01:09:30.319 --> 01:09:33.159
<v Speaker 1>isn't this the future we all want? And it's a nightmare,

1303
01:09:34.439 --> 01:09:38.079
<v Speaker 1>and they're like, it looks great to me. The guy

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01:09:38.199 --> 01:09:38.920
<v Speaker 1>on top of the.

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01:09:38.960 --> 01:09:42.800
<v Speaker 2>Pyramid also Travis Sauchik, but those the only yeah.

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01:09:44.079 --> 01:09:45.600
<v Speaker 1>Employed by Major League basse Yeah.

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01:09:46.680 --> 01:09:46.760
<v Speaker 3>Uh.

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01:09:48.239 --> 01:09:50.159
<v Speaker 1>If you want to know more about that, feel free

1309
01:09:50.199 --> 01:09:52.000
<v Speaker 1>to check out the site today. I have an article

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01:09:52.680 --> 01:09:59.119
<v Speaker 1>up on an article. Lastly, Brent Rooker is out for

1311
01:09:59.199 --> 01:10:03.800
<v Speaker 1>the season. Right, it's been a tough season, Yeah, it has,

1312
01:10:04.720 --> 01:10:09.159
<v Speaker 1>like perhaps mercifully like maybe it's just like let's get this.

1313
01:10:09.359 --> 01:10:14.439
<v Speaker 3>Salved Is DRC is one on one. The thing about

1314
01:10:14.520 --> 01:10:18.279
<v Speaker 3>Rooker is that like he has not changed what he does.

1315
01:10:18.960 --> 01:10:21.079
<v Speaker 3>He's just going to see. He is very much the

1316
01:10:21.439 --> 01:10:23.760
<v Speaker 3>I'm going to swing in one spot, ye, and when

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01:10:23.800 --> 01:10:27.119
<v Speaker 3>the ball is there, you know, goodbye. The ball has

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01:10:27.159 --> 01:10:27.880
<v Speaker 3>not been in that spot.

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01:10:27.920 --> 01:10:31.640
<v Speaker 1>So the reason I one of the reasons I asked

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01:10:31.840 --> 01:10:34.199
<v Speaker 1>if we covered the prior thing. So one of one

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01:10:34.239 --> 01:10:36.720
<v Speaker 1>of the elements of the prior MLB proposal, not the

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01:10:36.800 --> 01:10:44.960
<v Speaker 1>PA proposal, was centered around they accepted conditionally on contingent.

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01:10:44.680 --> 01:10:48.079
<v Speaker 2>If they take less money right contingent.

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01:10:47.760 --> 01:10:53.560
<v Speaker 1>On the acceptance of a cap and floor. They accepted

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01:10:53.920 --> 01:10:59.479
<v Speaker 1>the MLB past proposal for players who are over thirty

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01:10:59.520 --> 01:11:02.560
<v Speaker 1>when they re free agency can do it in five

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01:11:02.640 --> 01:11:03.960
<v Speaker 1>years of service rather than six.

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01:11:04.119 --> 01:11:05.720
<v Speaker 2>I signed an extension.

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01:11:05.840 --> 01:11:08.239
<v Speaker 1>He did, he did, But he is the kind he is,

1330
01:11:08.319 --> 01:11:12.520
<v Speaker 1>the profile of player that that would part of the

1331
01:11:12.560 --> 01:11:14.640
<v Speaker 1>reason he signed an extension is because he was not

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01:11:14.720 --> 01:11:18.239
<v Speaker 1>going to reach free agency until thirty three. Now. I

1333
01:11:18.319 --> 01:11:20.960
<v Speaker 1>don't know that thirty two is all that much better

1334
01:11:21.600 --> 01:11:23.800
<v Speaker 1>in this stace whatever, But I also want to point

1335
01:11:23.800 --> 01:11:26.680
<v Speaker 1>out that even amidst that, they also said, by the way,

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01:11:26.920 --> 01:11:29.479
<v Speaker 1>we also want to create a restrictive free agency where

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01:11:29.520 --> 01:11:32.760
<v Speaker 1>we can pay him essentially the qualifying offer offer. Yeah,

1338
01:11:34.159 --> 01:11:37.079
<v Speaker 1>and we can just assign it to him. It's he

1339
01:11:37.119 --> 01:11:39.159
<v Speaker 1>doesn't get to It's not a qualifying offer, it's a

1340
01:11:39.239 --> 01:11:40.239
<v Speaker 1>qualifying mandate.

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01:11:40.560 --> 01:11:40.760
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

1342
01:11:41.279 --> 01:11:43.239
<v Speaker 2>Also, we're not changing arbitration at all.

1343
01:11:44.039 --> 01:11:46.760
<v Speaker 1>And also but but like it's like, oh, we've agreed

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01:11:46.800 --> 01:11:50.000
<v Speaker 1>to this thing, and there's you know, these these guys,

1345
01:11:50.319 --> 01:11:52.000
<v Speaker 1>and there are a lot of these guys because of

1346
01:11:52.119 --> 01:11:55.319
<v Speaker 1>how our clubs handle players.

1347
01:11:57.000 --> 01:12:00.119
<v Speaker 2>Who more we eliminate high schoolers in the drafts.

1348
01:12:00.239 --> 01:12:04.039
<v Speaker 1>Right exactly if because of how we ended the place

1349
01:12:04.079 --> 01:12:05.479
<v Speaker 1>they hit this there are these guys that are over

1350
01:12:05.560 --> 01:12:07.880
<v Speaker 1>thirty when they reach free agency, they can do it

1351
01:12:07.920 --> 01:12:10.640
<v Speaker 1>a year sooner. Except also we re reserve the right

1352
01:12:10.680 --> 01:12:13.239
<v Speaker 1>for them not to do that. Now, look it costs,

1353
01:12:13.680 --> 01:12:15.960
<v Speaker 1>but that one year of cost is less than the

1354
01:12:16.079 --> 01:12:20.279
<v Speaker 1>contract they would get as a free agent, right if

1355
01:12:20.319 --> 01:12:23.199
<v Speaker 1>they're worth they would only do it if they're worth

1356
01:12:23.319 --> 01:12:27.039
<v Speaker 1>screwing over to do it, right, Like, it's just it's.

1357
01:12:27.279 --> 01:12:29.760
<v Speaker 2>Like it's like a franchise tag. Basically it is not

1358
01:12:29.840 --> 01:12:31.880
<v Speaker 2>even not even as good as a franchise tag.

1359
01:12:32.720 --> 01:12:33.319
<v Speaker 3>Yes it is.

1360
01:12:33.760 --> 01:12:34.880
<v Speaker 1>It is a franchise tag.

1361
01:12:35.000 --> 01:12:41.279
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, literally everyone instead of just like six dudes, it's it's.

1362
01:12:41.359 --> 01:12:43.239
<v Speaker 1>But even right to your point, not as good. I

1363
01:12:43.319 --> 01:12:46.279
<v Speaker 1>believe in the NFL the franchise tag, other teams can,

1364
01:12:46.720 --> 01:12:49.960
<v Speaker 1>if it would be worth it, still sign those guys

1365
01:12:50.319 --> 01:12:53.960
<v Speaker 1>and take a draft pick penalty to do so. Not

1366
01:12:54.119 --> 01:12:55.800
<v Speaker 1>the case here, as far as I can tell, it

1367
01:12:55.840 --> 01:12:59.680
<v Speaker 1>would The free agency restriction is you're getting paid this

1368
01:13:00.159 --> 01:13:04.680
<v Speaker 1>oh to forego free agency. As I read it, it's

1369
01:13:04.760 --> 01:13:09.640
<v Speaker 1>possible I did not read it correct. Anyway, that is

1370
01:13:09.960 --> 01:13:11.399
<v Speaker 1>that is our show up until the game.

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01:13:12.159 --> 01:13:15.800
<v Speaker 3>Okay, all right, So this game was supply supplied by Colin.

1372
01:13:17.000 --> 01:13:20.159
<v Speaker 3>Thank you Colin for doing this after you should have

1373
01:13:20.159 --> 01:13:22.600
<v Speaker 3>supplied the game last week. Colin Richard, you should have

1374
01:13:22.600 --> 01:13:24.159
<v Speaker 3>You should have supplied the game last week when he

1375
01:13:24.279 --> 01:13:25.920
<v Speaker 3>was here and then he might have won.

1376
01:13:26.319 --> 01:13:28.600
<v Speaker 1>Oh sorry, real host, Colin.

1377
01:13:30.359 --> 01:13:31.800
<v Speaker 3>All right, So this one is a very simple one.

1378
01:13:31.800 --> 01:13:34.399
<v Speaker 3>It's called pension, man uh. And so all you have

1379
01:13:34.439 --> 01:13:36.119
<v Speaker 3>to do, we're just gonna do it together as a group.

1380
01:13:36.399 --> 01:13:38.399
<v Speaker 3>All I have to do is I'm going to name

1381
01:13:38.479 --> 01:13:40.560
<v Speaker 3>off a player and you just tell me if they

1382
01:13:40.600 --> 01:13:42.880
<v Speaker 3>have reached ten years of service time. And boy, I'm

1383
01:13:42.880 --> 01:13:44.439
<v Speaker 3>not going to do well at this because I only

1384
01:13:44.520 --> 01:13:46.960
<v Speaker 3>think of things in terms of years and not service.

1385
01:13:47.279 --> 01:13:48.840
<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry say this again.

1386
01:13:48.920 --> 01:13:51.000
<v Speaker 3>What I'm going to name a player, you tell me

1387
01:13:51.319 --> 01:13:54.000
<v Speaker 3>whether that you have reached whether that players reached ten

1388
01:13:54.079 --> 01:13:56.479
<v Speaker 3>years ten years of service time? Okay, Right, So if

1389
01:13:56.479 --> 01:13:57.399
<v Speaker 3>you've been following.

1390
01:13:58.840 --> 01:14:01.600
<v Speaker 1>On a b RES page or lay a VP player card,

1391
01:14:01.720 --> 01:14:04.720
<v Speaker 1>it is it's amount of time actually spend in the majors.

1392
01:14:05.840 --> 01:14:08.880
<v Speaker 3>Okay, So we'll start with Kyle Schwarber and you guys

1393
01:14:08.920 --> 01:14:12.560
<v Speaker 3>can just say what you feel. What do you feel like?

1394
01:14:13.600 --> 01:14:16.199
<v Speaker 1>Yes, I'm actually I'm pretty.

1395
01:14:15.920 --> 01:14:19.359
<v Speaker 2>Sure I'm gonna doing some math in my head.

1396
01:14:19.680 --> 01:14:22.720
<v Speaker 1>You can, I'm saying it. I don't want I'm not

1397
01:14:23.000 --> 01:14:24.600
<v Speaker 1>trying to sway you, Jeff, but I'm pretty sure I

1398
01:14:24.640 --> 01:14:26.600
<v Speaker 1>saw something marking that he had done it.

1399
01:14:27.039 --> 01:14:28.000
<v Speaker 3>I think that's the Yeah.

1400
01:14:28.319 --> 01:14:30.119
<v Speaker 1>I think he also has ten and five.

1401
01:14:30.039 --> 01:14:33.520
<v Speaker 2>Rights, So yeah, I think I think that's right now

1402
01:14:33.560 --> 01:14:35.359
<v Speaker 2>that i'm because, yeah, he missed that year, but he

1403
01:14:35.359 --> 01:14:37.000
<v Speaker 2>would have been on the sixty he was in the majors.

1404
01:14:37.000 --> 01:14:38.720
<v Speaker 2>Who would have been major league service time for it?

1405
01:14:39.239 --> 01:14:39.439
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

1406
01:14:39.960 --> 01:14:46.680
<v Speaker 3>Next one, Harrison Bater. Oh, that is just.

1407
01:14:48.359 --> 01:14:50.600
<v Speaker 1>Colin. If you had started with Harrison. Now maybe we

1408
01:14:50.640 --> 01:14:52.239
<v Speaker 1>were wrong on Schwarber and that's fine, but if you

1409
01:14:52.319 --> 01:14:54.600
<v Speaker 1>had started with Bader, that's just right off the bat,

1410
01:14:54.640 --> 01:14:58.199
<v Speaker 1>that like one of the biggest edge cases. Yeah, he's

1411
01:14:58.279 --> 01:14:59.359
<v Speaker 1>played for ten teams.

1412
01:14:59.439 --> 01:15:06.359
<v Speaker 2>I think I'm gonna say, now, oh man, it's.

1413
01:15:06.279 --> 01:15:09.479
<v Speaker 1>Been hurt Padrick. What are you saying? I say no,

1414
01:15:10.000 --> 01:15:16.760
<v Speaker 1>you're saying no too, I think yeah, yeah, I'm gonna.

1415
01:15:19.079 --> 01:15:22.319
<v Speaker 3>No. I'm gonna say, Okay, how do you biased.

1416
01:15:26.359 --> 01:15:26.760
<v Speaker 2>Gotta be?

1417
01:15:26.920 --> 01:15:31.479
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I don't know if he has to be like

1418
01:15:31.560 --> 01:15:31.800
<v Speaker 3>he was.

1419
01:15:32.720 --> 01:15:35.800
<v Speaker 1>He didn't get he didn't get yo yo. He's been

1420
01:15:35.920 --> 01:15:38.279
<v Speaker 1>bad or hurt or whatever, but he's been there.

1421
01:15:38.800 --> 01:15:45.000
<v Speaker 3>Okay, yes, all right, Chris Bassett, I'm gonna say, what.

1422
01:15:45.159 --> 01:15:46.520
<v Speaker 1>Is he's like thirty five?

1423
01:15:46.760 --> 01:15:46.880
<v Speaker 3>Right?

1424
01:15:47.039 --> 01:15:49.159
<v Speaker 2>How late did he start older than that? I think

1425
01:15:50.439 --> 01:15:51.920
<v Speaker 2>he did, But he was like an up and down

1426
01:15:51.960 --> 01:15:54.039
<v Speaker 2>reliever for a bit to take a swing man, So

1427
01:15:54.119 --> 01:15:55.039
<v Speaker 2>I don't know how long.

1428
01:15:55.600 --> 01:15:58.159
<v Speaker 3>God, he's grizzled. I think just on his beard.

1429
01:15:57.880 --> 01:16:00.880
<v Speaker 1>Alone, who should be I'm gonna say now just his

1430
01:16:01.119 --> 01:16:03.600
<v Speaker 1>face is is a ten years of service face. I'm

1431
01:16:03.600 --> 01:16:05.680
<v Speaker 1>also it feels like a trap, so I'm gonna say no.

1432
01:16:05.840 --> 01:16:10.840
<v Speaker 3>Also, okay, Tommy fam oh my god, oh.

1433
01:16:11.119 --> 01:16:15.880
<v Speaker 2>Man, I mean like he came up late. He came

1434
01:16:15.960 --> 01:16:16.359
<v Speaker 2>up late.

1435
01:16:16.439 --> 01:16:17.840
<v Speaker 1>It's so much DFA.

1436
01:16:19.600 --> 01:16:22.359
<v Speaker 2>He also like keeps signing like and.

1437
01:16:22.359 --> 01:16:26.680
<v Speaker 1>Then the first on the roster, right, like, I'm gonna say.

1438
01:16:26.560 --> 01:16:28.800
<v Speaker 2>No, we can't keep agreeing on everything.

1439
01:16:29.119 --> 01:16:34.720
<v Speaker 3>You're gonna say no, all right, Adam Frazer, I don't

1440
01:16:34.760 --> 01:16:35.640
<v Speaker 3>say yes this one.

1441
01:16:35.880 --> 01:16:37.600
<v Speaker 2>Just say no. I don't think he's he was another

1442
01:16:37.640 --> 01:16:38.399
<v Speaker 2>guy that came up late.

1443
01:16:39.000 --> 01:16:43.399
<v Speaker 1>Mhm. He does just stay on rosters though he does

1444
01:16:44.399 --> 01:16:44.920
<v Speaker 1>like he's not.

1445
01:16:46.640 --> 01:16:49.520
<v Speaker 2>Like he just is on the Angels, Like he's just

1446
01:16:49.680 --> 01:16:50.319
<v Speaker 2>on the Angels.

1447
01:16:50.359 --> 01:16:52.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but like it's not like they're cutting him and

1448
01:16:52.920 --> 01:16:55.159
<v Speaker 1>resigning him and adding it back and whatever. I think

1449
01:16:55.159 --> 01:16:57.359
<v Speaker 1>I want to say yes, I don't.

1450
01:16:57.479 --> 01:16:59.079
<v Speaker 2>He signs the minor league deal, but then he's just

1451
01:16:59.159 --> 01:16:59.600
<v Speaker 2>in the majors.

1452
01:16:59.880 --> 01:17:04.760
<v Speaker 3>But from the start of the season, next on Wilson Contrares,

1453
01:17:06.880 --> 01:17:09.479
<v Speaker 3>I was like a look at his is he not.

1454
01:17:11.000 --> 01:17:14.960
<v Speaker 2>Looking at his I know player page he played, I

1455
01:17:15.039 --> 01:17:18.279
<v Speaker 2>know he's played in eleven seasons. Becomes I'm going to

1456
01:17:18.319 --> 01:17:19.520
<v Speaker 2>say no, I'm.

1457
01:17:19.359 --> 01:17:21.159
<v Speaker 1>Gonna say no, I'm gonna say yes.

1458
01:17:21.439 --> 01:17:26.319
<v Speaker 3>Okay, So Craig and I are still all right holding

1459
01:17:27.039 --> 01:17:39.720
<v Speaker 3>common Oh fuck god, Yeah, this one's hard. Yeah God, I'm.

1460
01:17:37.640 --> 01:17:39.640
<v Speaker 2>Not going to say it. I'm gonna go last because

1461
01:17:39.680 --> 01:17:40.680
<v Speaker 2>I think I know the answer.

1462
01:17:40.880 --> 01:17:43.600
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's smart of you. I mean, Jeff knows more

1463
01:17:43.640 --> 01:17:47.239
<v Speaker 1>than I'm going to say. I'm going to say yes,

1464
01:17:49.239 --> 01:17:49.640
<v Speaker 1>all right.

1465
01:17:50.880 --> 01:17:52.920
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna say no. I'm pretty sure he came up

1466
01:17:52.960 --> 01:17:54.680
<v Speaker 2>to the end of twenty seventeen, so I don't think

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01:17:54.720 --> 01:17:55.439
<v Speaker 2>he's there yet.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, Anthony Rindoon, it's gotta be yes.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but it's not on like the restricted list or whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, he might be now, but like I think

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<v Speaker 2>he's got his ten years.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, no, they agreed to whatever. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Trevor's story.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I want to go last on this one.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. I was gonna do the opposite of you, all right,

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<v Speaker 3>just so I could.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, you're gonna do the opposite of me.

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<v Speaker 3>No, No, I'll go after Jeff all right, Jeff Trevor's story.

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<v Speaker 2>He was definitely a six plus guy because he came

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<v Speaker 2>up the end of that season and he signed with

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<v Speaker 2>the Red Socks. How fucking long has even with the

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<v Speaker 2>Red song.

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<v Speaker 1>That's that's the math I was doing.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I am going to say he is just under

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<v Speaker 2>just under Yeah, let me say.

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<v Speaker 1>I think he's over.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, okay, I will go with under that, even though

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<v Speaker 3>I probably think you're right. Craig just so that we

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<v Speaker 3>get different because I think that was number ten and

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<v Speaker 3>we're gonna stop here, all right, son, So he gave

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<v Speaker 3>ten and then he's like, here's another, here's more. He

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<v Speaker 3>put another eight in in case, but another two, Colin,

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<v Speaker 3>and we can we'll use another game another time, all right,

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<v Speaker 3>So let's reveal and let's see. So Kyle Schwarber, the

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<v Speaker 3>answer is yes, ten point zero eight six. Harrison thought, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>Harrison Bader, the answer is no, so we're all eight

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<v Speaker 3>point eight point zero three.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he was like just a free agent.

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<v Speaker 3>So we're all tied at too, so far. Next one,

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<v Speaker 3>Hobby Bias. The answer is yes, ten point zero eight nine.

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<v Speaker 1>Him and Scher were basically.

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<v Speaker 2>He played in the twenty fifteen playoffs, so I assumed

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<v Speaker 2>that he was more than Chris Bassett.

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<v Speaker 3>The answer is no, nine point one three. Oh, so

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<v Speaker 3>we are all four four five Tommy Fan. The answers yes, no,

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<v Speaker 3>oh yeah, yeah, wow, ten point zero nine two more

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<v Speaker 3>than swarm Wow. Okay, and finally we because if we

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<v Speaker 3>have a different answer, we have a differentiator. It is

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<v Speaker 3>Adam Frazer is is no. So Jeff takes takes the

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<v Speaker 3>lead and he's going to continue to take the lead

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<v Speaker 3>because Wilson Contreras is no and Ahmed Rosario is no.

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<v Speaker 3>Wilson Contreras is at nine point one, Ahmed Rosario is

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<v Speaker 3>eight point zero six.

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<v Speaker 2>Which, yeah, he came up. He came up late in

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<v Speaker 2>twenty seventeen.

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<v Speaker 3>Anthony Rin doone. The answer is yes, he was way

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<v Speaker 3>over twelve point one three zero. We all got that

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<v Speaker 3>one right. And Trevor Story, the answer is yes. So

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01:20:39.159 --> 01:20:42.079
<v Speaker 3>Craig wits went back. But Jeff's gonna win this one walking.

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01:20:43.720 --> 01:20:44.760
<v Speaker 1>Is he like just over.

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01:20:46.720 --> 01:20:50.640
<v Speaker 3>Trevor story? Was it? No, he's exactly ten as a Friday.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, okay, I miscalculated when he got called back as.

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<v Speaker 1>Of which Friday?

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<v Speaker 3>Last Friday?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, I didn't know if we were getting a fucking

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<v Speaker 1>benefit that would only be right.

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<v Speaker 3>So congratulations to Jeff, who wins first place with eight.

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01:21:08.039 --> 01:21:09.439
<v Speaker 3>Craig at six I had five.

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<v Speaker 2>It's important to have that Adam Fraser knowledge on this show.

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01:21:12.960 --> 01:21:15.439
<v Speaker 2>It really, it really is it really really you got

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<v Speaker 2>to know things about Adam Fraser.

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<v Speaker 1>Can Thank you to Colin for the game king, gradualations

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<v Speaker 1>to Jeff. Thank you to our listeners for joining us

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<v Speaker 1>on another episode of five and Dive brought to you

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<v Speaker 4>Now how Camel bevernswering? The better, the older, all the

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