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<v Speaker 1>Hey, what's up are you? Wicked people?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Ben and I'm Nicole and you're listening to Wicked

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<v Speaker 2>and Grim True crime podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>Warning, the following podcast contain material intended format your audience,

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<v Speaker 1>the listener.

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<v Speaker 2>Just question every episode you want to just crack open

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<v Speaker 2>a bear.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, yeah, it's it's delicious and it's entertaining and it

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<v Speaker 1>sounds great on the microphone.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, do it up?

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome, Welcome to Wicked and Grim. Everybody.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like that we're almost gonna have to do

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<v Speaker 2>that every single episod.

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<v Speaker 1>So not everyone, but majority majority people wonder if we don't. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>we got a lot to talk about today. But first off,

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<v Speaker 1>we are currently rocking our old mics. But as we

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<v Speaker 1>mentioned before, we did get an upgrade. So what we're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna do right now so you can hear the difference.

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<v Speaker 1>This is the old microphones hell, and we're gonna rock

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<v Speaker 1>into the new ones. Nicole, you want to give us

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<v Speaker 1>a countdown?

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<v Speaker 2>Three, two, one, and.

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<v Speaker 1>Here we are the new mics. Boom, How do we sound?

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<v Speaker 2>Does that sound better to you?

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<v Speaker 1>It is delicious?

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<v Speaker 2>Is it beautiful? It's like the sound of birds singing.

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<v Speaker 1>Three little oh my doorstep?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh is that like the song? Yeah, it's gonna be okay,

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<v Speaker 2>all right's gonna be right that Marley. Yeah, but then

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<v Speaker 2>I was a reading. I was obsessed. Actually, I freaking

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<v Speaker 2>had it on replay.

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<v Speaker 1>The original is better. Anyways, Anyway, we had a lot

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<v Speaker 1>to talk about today, guys, so hopefully we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>keep this short. We try to keep it under like

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<v Speaker 1>five minutes usually.

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<v Speaker 2>We do try.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll see if we can keep that today. But we

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<v Speaker 1>announced on Instagram and Facebook we reached fifty thousand downloads officially.

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<v Speaker 2>Wild today, Like blows my mind.

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<v Speaker 1>It's insane.

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<v Speaker 2>I never would have imagined this.

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<v Speaker 1>So you guys are absolutely amazing. Thank you so much

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<v Speaker 1>for all your incredible support. It means literally the world

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<v Speaker 1>to us. Yeah, so thank you so much. And we

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<v Speaker 1>look forward to the next fifty however long that takes,

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<v Speaker 1>who knows, but we look forward to the future of

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<v Speaker 1>Wicked and Graham with all of you. So thank you

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<v Speaker 1>very much.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, it's just so exciting and pumped, so pumped. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>from our posts that we put out, we got so

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<v Speaker 2>much love on it.

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<v Speaker 1>We did on Instagram. Yeah, you got the Instagram in.

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<v Speaker 2>Your So I'm just gonna like read two of them

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<v Speaker 2>because it's just like so exciting. So the first one

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<v Speaker 2>came from Danny d l T and she said, you

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<v Speaker 2>two deserve all the success. You're amazing at storytelling and

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<v Speaker 2>entertaining while giving all the facts and being genuine.

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<v Speaker 1>We genuinely appreciate.

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<v Speaker 2>That you really do. We actually think you're awesome, so awesome.

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<v Speaker 2>And this next one is from Zoe. I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>if I should try to pronounce your last name, but

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<v Speaker 2>you know we're parable pronouncing pronunciation McDonald McDonald. I hope

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<v Speaker 2>I'm saying that right, Zoe. She goes, y'all totally earned it.

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<v Speaker 2>Us in Texas love your podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>Up here in Canada. We love y'all in Texas.

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<v Speaker 2>We love you y'all. Y'all, y'all listeners, thank you for

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<v Speaker 2>tuning in.

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<v Speaker 1>We love y'all.

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<v Speaker 2>A how's that? Oh my god? That's like yeah, joining

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<v Speaker 2>both love it, best of both worlds. I love it

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<v Speaker 2>so thank you honestly, Okay, we try to like reply

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<v Speaker 2>to all the comments or at least like them. I

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<v Speaker 2>think we reply to most of them, but it honestly

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<v Speaker 2>like makes surday. It makes surday when people are like

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<v Speaker 2>commenting armor posts.

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<v Speaker 1>And we get messages dms on Instagram, Facebook comments, we

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<v Speaker 1>have emails coming in and on our website we have

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<v Speaker 1>messages coming in, but we don't check some of those

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<v Speaker 1>nearly as often, but we do check them and we

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<v Speaker 1>will get to all of them at least eventually. So

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<v Speaker 1>and yeah, thank you guys. Will reply to you. If

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<v Speaker 1>we haven't replied yet, we will eventually.

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<v Speaker 2>I actually love replying. It's fun.

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<v Speaker 1>It is. We got something else coming down the pipe,

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<v Speaker 1>which is really cool to announce.

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<v Speaker 2>What's that bench?

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<v Speaker 1>We actually had someone specifically request this actually as an episode.

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<v Speaker 2>For what we're doing today.

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<v Speaker 1>No, not the one we're doing today.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, sorry, the announcement. Sorry, yes, I get it.

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<v Speaker 1>So we had someone, I think it was two days

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<v Speaker 1>ago or yesterday, request that we do the Highways tiers

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<v Speaker 1>as an episode.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, I saw that. Yep.

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<v Speaker 1>What's really cool is we live, well, it's not really cool,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's you'll where I'm going. High Way of Tears

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<v Speaker 1>isn't cool, but we live right at the beginning of

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<v Speaker 1>the Highway of Tears, which heads over to the west

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<v Speaker 1>coast of Canada from our city. Prince George, Prince George

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<v Speaker 1>to Prince Rupert, and that's a stretch of Highway. We

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<v Speaker 1>are going to do an episode. We are already planning that.

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<v Speaker 2>However, it's a little different of an episode.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a way different of an episode, way different. We

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<v Speaker 1>are doing a full length, one hour documentary. We got

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<v Speaker 1>funding to produce a wicked and grim documentary and we

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<v Speaker 1>are focusing on the Highway of Tears. So you are

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<v Speaker 1>definitely going to get your episode for Highway of Tears.

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<v Speaker 1>It might take a while, but it's going to be

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<v Speaker 1>it's going to be a video. It's going to be

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<v Speaker 1>a movie, yeah, which is so cool. We are stoked.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, starring us.

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<v Speaker 1>Staring us. I'm dreading diving into that one a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit because it's done.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, honestly, but I'm kind of excited because I it

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<v Speaker 2>is so close to us, and I honestly don't know

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<v Speaker 2>enough about it, so I I'm wanting to learn more.

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<v Speaker 1>It is one of those ones that's kind of swept

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<v Speaker 1>under the rug a lot too, which is kind of sad.

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<v Speaker 1>So Yeah, Originally we're actually going to do a different

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<v Speaker 1>documentary on another missing person's case, but the family got

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<v Speaker 1>in contact with us and we're like, you know, we're

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<v Speaker 1>not too sure if we want this documentary to go

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<v Speaker 1>focus on it. So we're like, Okay, we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>do the Highway of Tears, because before it was this

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<v Speaker 1>missing person with the Highway of Tears undertone. Now we're

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<v Speaker 1>going to do the Highway of Tears, and we are

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<v Speaker 1>going to involve that missing person a little bit as well.

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<v Speaker 1>So we are involving everyone. But the nice thing is

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<v Speaker 1>now we are highlighting the Highway of Tears in the documentary, which.

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<v Speaker 2>I think is a really good thing to probably talk

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<v Speaker 2>about and highlight definitely. Yeah, like it needs to get

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<v Speaker 2>out there more. Yeah, so how exciting.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, do we have any other announcements? Is there

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<v Speaker 1>anything else? I don't know, Like so much.

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<v Speaker 2>As I feel like pump sitting here, I was like

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<v Speaker 2>so tired before we started this, and I'm just like,

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<v Speaker 2>let's do it.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay. Every time we turn on the mics, suddenly like

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<v Speaker 1>it's almost like the weird flip switches, because like I'm

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<v Speaker 1>sitting here, I was just painting downstairs and you were

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<v Speaker 1>sending an email and we're like, oh, work sucks, we

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<v Speaker 1>gotta do the podcast tonight. That's gonna be fun, blah blah,

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<v Speaker 1>And then the moment we sat down and the mics

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<v Speaker 1>turned on and we're just like testing her audio levels,

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<v Speaker 1>like behind the scenes. You guys don't hear that part.

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<v Speaker 2>You should hear that part that we're larious.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe for patrons one day, but anyways, as soon as

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<v Speaker 1>those mics go hot, it's it's like the ship show

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<v Speaker 1>just starts right up. Energy levels just jump.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So we are definitely happy to be away from painting

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<v Speaker 1>and emails.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so clearly we enjoyed this. Yeah, if you didn't know.

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<v Speaker 1>O, can you talk a little bit. I've been talking

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<v Speaker 1>a lot. Any news, any news.

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<v Speaker 2>Any news. I just want to listen to this case.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh okay, really quickly before we do go to the case,

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<v Speaker 1>I did want to touch one more thing.

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<v Speaker 2>You're like, chatty Cathy tonight.

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<v Speaker 1>Well I sorry, let's go.

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<v Speaker 2>What is it?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay? Everyone always guesses our.

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<v Speaker 2>Hintsome Yeah, people are so good.

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<v Speaker 1>Like you guys are insanely good.

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<v Speaker 2>Guess so good.

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<v Speaker 1>I tried to make it a little bit more difficult

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<v Speaker 1>on the last post for this case.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah it didn't work.

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<v Speaker 1>No, instantly people knew what it was. So Nicole is

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<v Speaker 1>doing next episode, and I think we should see if

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<v Speaker 1>we can really test people.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh okay, well, maybe I could put something up tonight

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<v Speaker 2>because I don't even know what the episode is on,

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<v Speaker 2>and then they can guess because no one will get

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<v Speaker 2>it right then, because I don't even know what the

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<v Speaker 2>heck I'm doing next week.

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<v Speaker 1>So you're just going to post something random that doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>even make sense that it's a joke. You're just going

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<v Speaker 1>to post an image of a car.

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<v Speaker 2>No one will get it right.

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<v Speaker 1>It's because it's probably just our car sitting in the driveway.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh that's like, don't let's not do that. That's like

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<v Speaker 2>a bad omen. Yeah yeah, yeah, okay, yeah, Well I'm

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<v Speaker 2>going to figure out what I'm going to dive into

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<v Speaker 2>and then yeah, maybe I'll do I'll do.

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<v Speaker 1>Something we should like, do it. I know for my

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<v Speaker 1>next case, I'm doing something seriously obscure.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's what we're the game. We're going to start playing.

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<v Speaker 1>Well all the time a little bit. I want to

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<v Speaker 1>test people. I want to see if I can push

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<v Speaker 1>their limits. Like this case. I thought I picked an

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<v Speaker 1>obscure case.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but I don't even know much about this case.

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<v Speaker 2>And you are like, I don't think that was very hard.

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<v Speaker 1>Well no it wasn't, but still I thought it was

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<v Speaker 1>an obscure case. When I first picked it. Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 1>then once I started researching them, Like, there are so

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<v Speaker 1>many articles, there are so many documentaries. This is not

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<v Speaker 1>an obscure case. So I thought putting the boat with

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<v Speaker 1>the back of it just the name showing yea was enough.

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<v Speaker 1>But the back door was opened, the name was kind

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<v Speaker 1>of cut off, so like maybe people won't really see

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<v Speaker 1>the name and they'll have to look at the smaller

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<v Speaker 1>boat to really see the name. It might might have

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<v Speaker 1>been harder, but clearly not. So, Yeah, this is a

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<v Speaker 1>higher profile case and people got it really easy.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, Well I'm going to We'll try next week again.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll just keep trying until no one can get it. Okay, deal, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>let's go.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay. So this is the case of Thomas and Jackie Hawks.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, Thomas and Jackie.

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<v Speaker 1>Now they were a couple from Prescott, Arizona in the

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<v Speaker 1>United States, which is a city of like forty two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand people. It's just north of Like, I didn't write

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't write down the city that works. Okay. Anyways,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a city in the States, forty two thousand people population, Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Thomas was a fifty seven year old bodybuilder and former

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<v Speaker 1>and his wife, Jackie, was forty seven, who was also retired,

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<v Speaker 1>and she spent her recent years taking care of the

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<v Speaker 2>Oh so she took care of his sons yep.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, So she wasn't like their biological mother, but they

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, forty seven to be retired, that's awesome.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they were like a seriously hard working couple. Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>They made sure they worked hard for their retirement and

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<v Speaker 1>They were also like extremely dedicated to one another. Like

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<v Speaker 1>the house sort of thing, right, you know what I mean?

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<v Speaker 1>So once they were out of the house and on

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<v Speaker 1>that many people want, but only very few people ever

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<v Speaker 1>actually do. They went out and they purchased themselves a

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<v Speaker 1>fifty five foot yacht and christened it the Well Deserved.

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<v Speaker 2>That's actually not on my list, but it is for

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of people. Yeah, I can imagine, but I'm

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<v Speaker 2>just like terrified of the ocean. Scary shit down there,

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<v Speaker 2>like and a lot of things that you don't even

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<v Speaker 1>Oh definitely. So well, I know what's the percentage there's

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<v Speaker 1>there's a very high percentage. It's like ninety five percent

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<v Speaker 1>of the world's ocean is unexplored or something like that.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh boy, yeah, no, I don't.

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<v Speaker 1>Know if it's actually ninety percent. I'm pretty sure it's

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<v Speaker 1>above eighty. But yeah, that's too crazy percentage.

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<v Speaker 2>That's too high.

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<v Speaker 1>Like there literally could be a cracking out in the ocean,

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<v Speaker 1>a giant squid that just like takes shit.

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<v Speaker 2>Honestly, there probably is. It wouldn't even surprise me.

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<v Speaker 1>There's probably also like a disco fish that just like

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<v Speaker 2>Party Oh boy, there's just probably I bet you could

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<v Speaker 2>just everything under there, under.

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<v Speaker 1>A sea, undert a sea. We got to watch a

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<v Speaker 1>Little Mermaid. It's been a while. It's a good show.

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<v Speaker 2>It is a good show.

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<v Speaker 1>It's an amazing show.

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<v Speaker 2>Anyway, was I why were you staring at me?

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<v Speaker 1>Like?

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<v Speaker 2>That was also safe?

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<v Speaker 1>You were staring at me though too. I looked at

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<v Speaker 1>you looked at me, and it was just silent, and

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks, Okay, holy keep going.

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<v Speaker 1>Regardless of my looks. They went out and purchased their

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<v Speaker 1>They treated this as their permanent home and residence. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>they actually lived on the water.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh see that school, I could live on the water,

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<v Speaker 2>which is that's fucked up.

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<v Speaker 1>That's weird, weird, that's ass backwards.

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<v Speaker 2>But whatever, just like on a houseboat or something that

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<v Speaker 2>stalked But okay, carry on, sorry, okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, they upgraded the boat. They installed everything they would

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<v Speaker 1>ever need, and they kept it maintained meticulously. It was

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<v Speaker 1>a perfect boat for their perfect life. They sailed for

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<v Speaker 1>two years around the Pacific Ocean in the Gulf of California,

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<v Speaker 1>like They didn't just park it. They sailed. They lived

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<v Speaker 1>the life on sea. Now there's home videos. They did lots.

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<v Speaker 1>It took lots of pictures, and you can actually find

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<v Speaker 1>footage of like dolphins swimming alongside their boat orca is

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<v Speaker 1>going along. And there's even one shot that I saw

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<v Speaker 1>in a documentary of Thomas swimming out in the water

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<v Speaker 1>with dolphins. Wild dolphins.

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<v Speaker 2>Really, Hey, ballsy dude, Okay, yeah, that would just make

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<v Speaker 2>me want to pee my pants.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so if you ever want to go swimming with dolphins,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe go for it. But I don't recommend it. We

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<v Speaker 1>won't ever do.

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<v Speaker 2>It, probably not. I don't think that's something I'd ever do.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, clearly they did, but.

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<v Speaker 2>That's living on the wild side. I do it.

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<v Speaker 1>It is they lived on the wild side. They literally

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<v Speaker 1>fully embraced the whole, like ocean life, the sailor life.

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<v Speaker 1>They moved from port to port, making the best of

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<v Speaker 1>like each stay, and they enjoyed literally every minute they

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<v Speaker 1>did more their boat at its regular home in an

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<v Speaker 1>upscale neighborhood and a ritzy Newport beach in California when

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<v Speaker 1>they weren't outsailing the ocean, so mooring it is literally

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<v Speaker 1>parking it, you know, dropping an anchor in the bay

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<v Speaker 1>sort of thing.

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<v Speaker 2>They're like quite well off, obviously.

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<v Speaker 1>Not necessarily they put all their money into the boat.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, just kind of sounds like they.

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<v Speaker 1>Are they saved and they earned it, but they weren't

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<v Speaker 1>like super rich or anything. Okay, But eventually, after two years,

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<v Speaker 1>they decided it was time to say farewell to their

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<v Speaker 1>sea life and set down roots once again. Oh well,

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<v Speaker 1>the decision didn't didn't come because they were like growing

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<v Speaker 1>tired of life in the water or sailing or anything.

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<v Speaker 1>It came because one of Thomas's sons had just become

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<v Speaker 1>a dad, and Thomas and Jackie were now grandparents, so

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<v Speaker 1>they wanted to sell the beloved well deserved to move

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<v Speaker 1>back to Arizona and be closer to family. That makes sense, Yeah, totally,

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<v Speaker 1>So in two thousand and four they decided to sell

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<v Speaker 1>the boat, just like a house, though with realtors and stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>There's like brokers and fees to pay. Oh really, they

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<v Speaker 1>weren't the most well off. All their money was in

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<v Speaker 1>the boat, so to avoid that, they decided to go

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<v Speaker 1>private sitells. So they avoided that like commission costs sort of.

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<v Speaker 2>Thing, you know, okay, which I feel like a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of people think about doing.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh definitely, we thought about doing it with our house.

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<v Speaker 2>We did think about doing it with the house. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, they didn't go through a boat broker. They

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<v Speaker 1>did it through private sale, which a lot of retired

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<v Speaker 1>people do. The pinched in the pennies, right, retired, you

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<v Speaker 1>don't have that income.

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<v Speaker 2>Well also like you may have more time too if

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<v Speaker 2>you're retired, right too, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>To sell it to do that? Yeah, So they put

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<v Speaker 1>out ads in papers and even actually in boating magazines

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<v Speaker 1>such as Yachting World magazine. Okay, and the ad read

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen eighty lean HWA trawler fifty five foot by fifteen

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<v Speaker 1>feet and eight inches one, three hundred and fifty fuel,

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<v Speaker 1>outstanding condition, crews, ready, everything imaginable, four thousand, three hundred, sorry,

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<v Speaker 1>four hundred and thirty five thousand dollars moored in Newport

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<v Speaker 1>Beach by owner. So that was the add a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>I have no idea what boat's going half.

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<v Speaker 1>A million dollars in two thousand and four for.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and it's in nineteen eighty yeah, so.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not too sure if that's a lot for the

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<v Speaker 1>boat specifically, But I mean that is good change.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a lot of money.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but that is literally that's their equity right there.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, totally, Yeah, they need that.

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<v Speaker 1>So it didn't take long before the boat had a

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<v Speaker 1>potential buyer, Skyler. Delhion was a twenty five year old

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<v Speaker 1>and was interested in the well deserved. Skyler said that

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<v Speaker 1>they had cash and lots of it, and claimed the

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<v Speaker 1>money came from being a child actor in real estate investments.

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<v Speaker 2>Did they google that shit?

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<v Speaker 1>What do you mean? Google that shit? Google what shit?

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<v Speaker 2>Child is he? Actually? If he's was a child actor,

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<v Speaker 2>you could google that he was actually a child Oh

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<v Speaker 2>he actually was.

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<v Speaker 1>He was.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm already think of this dude's sketch, but maybe he's

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<v Speaker 2>not even a sketcherson.

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<v Speaker 1>He boasted a lot about being on the Power Rangers

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<v Speaker 1>when he was younger, about being a child star and

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<v Speaker 1>Power Rangers. However, his role on Power Rangers was extremely minimal,

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<v Speaker 1>Like he was just a bit part for like an episode.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh but he was on the Power Ring.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, exactly exactly, That's exactly how he played it up.

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<v Speaker 1>I get into that a little bit more later on. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>So immediately, Thomas, though was suspicious as a former probation officer.

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<v Speaker 1>Something wasn't right about this and the cash in hand

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<v Speaker 1>was a red flag.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well assessially at that age.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and for half a million dollars cash?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, has that just sitting there?

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<v Speaker 1>I wish we did.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, actually I get I jump on that bandwagon.

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<v Speaker 1>Please give me half a million dollars.

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<v Speaker 2>But I put in the bank.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Regardless of being suspicious, though, they did decide to

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<v Speaker 1>meet in person. Oh, I clicked something here. Where am I?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh?

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<v Speaker 1>No, oh, okay, I think I'm good.

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<v Speaker 2>You're good.

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<v Speaker 1>I think so. Where am I? Though?

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<v Speaker 2>Does everything you own have stickers all over it?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, because it's looking at your jab with.

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<v Speaker 1>The sticker stickers. I love stickers.

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<v Speaker 2>You love stickers.

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<v Speaker 1>They're fun. Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Did you love stickers as a child, because I did? Yes, Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>I like to draw and put stickers and things on

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<v Speaker 1>things and stuff and things. Okay. Regardless of the stickers,

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<v Speaker 1>they decided to meet in person, and when they did,

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<v Speaker 1>Skyler showed up to the meeting with a pregnant wife

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<v Speaker 1>named Jennifer de Lyon who was twenty three, and she

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<v Speaker 1>had their daughter in a stroller with them.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so they had a little kid and she was pregnant.

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<v Speaker 1>Yep, so it was a nice little fan okay.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, then your your spidey sense would go down, yes.

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<v Speaker 1>Most certainly.

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<v Speaker 2>Mm hmm.

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<v Speaker 1>So the family painted like happy, trustworthy picture and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>Jackie and Thomas is just like you said, your spidy

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<v Speaker 1>senses go down to. Reservations were at ease.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>So the offer was cash in hand and the asking

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<v Speaker 1>price was four thousand, sorry four fuck.

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<v Speaker 2>Kay saying four thousand, like good deal?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, one hundred and thirty five thousand, plus an additional

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<v Speaker 1>fifteen thousand for some other onboard boat items for a

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<v Speaker 1>total of four hundred and fifty thousand, almost said four thousand.

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<v Speaker 2>Again, that's a lot of money.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a lot of dope. Yeah, it's I wouldn't mind

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<v Speaker 1>a chunk of.

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<v Speaker 2>Check, especially in two thousand and four or whatever, two

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<v Speaker 2>thousand four. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So only one more thing had to be done though,

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<v Speaker 1>before the deal was official, oka a sea trial. Skyler

431
00:20:28.400 --> 00:20:30.200
<v Speaker 1>wanted the Hawks to take them out on the boat

432
00:20:30.799 --> 00:20:33.759
<v Speaker 1>so it could be inspected things like the hull and

433
00:20:33.799 --> 00:20:35.920
<v Speaker 1>the motors to ensure, you know, everything's like in working

434
00:20:36.039 --> 00:20:39.680
<v Speaker 1>order and it's up to par like they say it is, right,

435
00:20:40.039 --> 00:20:41.839
<v Speaker 1>so they decided to schedule a day to take the

436
00:20:41.880 --> 00:20:45.839
<v Speaker 1>boat out, and then when the day arrives, things were

437
00:20:45.920 --> 00:20:46.880
<v Speaker 1>a little bit different.

438
00:20:48.480 --> 00:20:49.920
<v Speaker 2>Okay, I'm very intrigued.

439
00:20:50.279 --> 00:20:54.079
<v Speaker 1>So Thomas and Jackie were expecting Skyler and Jennifer to show, yeah,

440
00:20:54.119 --> 00:20:59.039
<v Speaker 1>but instead it was Skyler with two men, one of

441
00:20:59.079 --> 00:21:01.000
<v Speaker 1>which claimed to be Skyler's accountant.

442
00:21:02.960 --> 00:21:06.039
<v Speaker 2>It was odd, okay, because they would not need to

443
00:21:06.160 --> 00:21:08.359
<v Speaker 2>ride the boat, test drive of the boat an accountant

444
00:21:08.440 --> 00:21:11.440
<v Speaker 2>your accountant, right? No? Yeah?

445
00:21:11.519 --> 00:21:14.079
<v Speaker 1>No, well yeah it was.

446
00:21:14.200 --> 00:21:16.519
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I guess I don't. I just don't think so.

447
00:21:16.599 --> 00:21:20.359
<v Speaker 1>But okay, it's odd. Well they found it odd. So

448
00:21:20.640 --> 00:21:22.480
<v Speaker 1>Skyler and two two men.

449
00:21:22.480 --> 00:21:25.599
<v Speaker 2>Okay, the other dude is nothing, just another dude. One's

450
00:21:25.640 --> 00:21:27.480
<v Speaker 2>an accountant, one's Skyler.

451
00:21:27.319 --> 00:21:30.680
<v Speaker 1>Just a friend or something or something. I never really

452
00:21:30.680 --> 00:21:33.519
<v Speaker 1>found anything of them claiming the second dude was anything,

453
00:21:33.640 --> 00:21:35.960
<v Speaker 1>or saying who he was or nothing. It was just

454
00:21:36.000 --> 00:21:36.880
<v Speaker 1>Skyler and two dudes.

455
00:21:36.880 --> 00:21:39.920
<v Speaker 2>Okay, But would you be alarmed? Because, like, I don't know,

456
00:21:40.000 --> 00:21:42.279
<v Speaker 2>if you were, if we were buying a boat like

457
00:21:42.319 --> 00:21:44.759
<v Speaker 2>you would probably want to more so bring like your

458
00:21:44.839 --> 00:21:47.920
<v Speaker 2>dad to check it out than me. So is that

459
00:21:48.119 --> 00:21:50.240
<v Speaker 2>really like alarming? Would you be alarmed?

460
00:21:50.599 --> 00:21:54.720
<v Speaker 1>I mean maybe because I probably would tell the guy like, hey,

461
00:21:54.720 --> 00:21:56.599
<v Speaker 1>I'm bringing my dad with me, and I'm pretty sure

462
00:21:56.680 --> 00:21:57.319
<v Speaker 1>you would come to.

463
00:21:58.079 --> 00:21:59.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I would come to.

464
00:21:59.720 --> 00:22:04.319
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Okay, so yeah, I mean they it was odd,

465
00:22:04.839 --> 00:22:07.519
<v Speaker 1>but not like crazy weird or anything. So it was

466
00:22:07.599 --> 00:22:10.079
<v Speaker 1>just odd. It's not what they expected. And yeah, okay,

467
00:22:10.160 --> 00:22:12.160
<v Speaker 1>well let's head out in the water.

468
00:22:12.359 --> 00:22:16.119
<v Speaker 2>Something that you would like warn someone in the boat. Yeah, yeah, probably, Okay,

469
00:22:16.880 --> 00:22:17.440
<v Speaker 2>let's do it.

470
00:22:17.759 --> 00:22:19.920
<v Speaker 1>So they went out in the water. Did exactly that.

471
00:22:19.920 --> 00:22:20.920
<v Speaker 1>They went out for the sea trial.

472
00:22:21.079 --> 00:22:21.440
<v Speaker 2>Okay.

473
00:22:22.240 --> 00:22:24.720
<v Speaker 1>Now, a friend of the Hawks, carter Ford, had evening

474
00:22:24.799 --> 00:22:26.599
<v Speaker 1>plans to meet up with them once they returned from

475
00:22:26.640 --> 00:22:29.359
<v Speaker 1>the sea trial, and as it grew closer to the

476
00:22:29.359 --> 00:22:32.119
<v Speaker 1>meeting time, he received a phone call from Jackie. She

477
00:22:32.240 --> 00:22:35.200
<v Speaker 1>said they weren't sure why they weren't back in the

478
00:22:35.240 --> 00:22:37.599
<v Speaker 1>harbor yet, but that they were still in open water.

479
00:22:38.720 --> 00:22:42.480
<v Speaker 1>Skyler and the men he brought along with them, they

480
00:22:42.519 --> 00:22:46.039
<v Speaker 1>were still trialing the boat and they would and once

481
00:22:46.079 --> 00:22:48.440
<v Speaker 1>they were done, they called carter and just be like, okay,

482
00:22:48.519 --> 00:22:51.319
<v Speaker 1>we're back in boats moored basically like they were taking

483
00:22:51.319 --> 00:22:52.440
<v Speaker 1>their sweet ass time out there.

484
00:22:52.559 --> 00:22:54.400
<v Speaker 2>Okay, but she was on the boat too, She.

485
00:22:54.440 --> 00:22:56.039
<v Speaker 1>Was on the boat. So Jackie and Thomas are both

486
00:22:56.079 --> 00:22:57.720
<v Speaker 1>on the boat and she's like, I don't know why

487
00:22:57.720 --> 00:22:59.519
<v Speaker 1>I'm not back yet. They're still doing their thing. They're

488
00:22:59.519 --> 00:23:02.000
<v Speaker 1>taking the sweet last time. We'll call you when we

489
00:23:02.039 --> 00:23:02.400
<v Speaker 1>get back.

490
00:23:02.599 --> 00:23:03.160
<v Speaker 2>Interesting.

491
00:23:03.279 --> 00:23:08.039
<v Speaker 1>Okay, So the sunset, darkness grew, and it got later

492
00:23:08.440 --> 00:23:13.119
<v Speaker 1>and later and later into the night. Carter never received

493
00:23:13.400 --> 00:23:14.200
<v Speaker 1>that phone call.

494
00:23:14.359 --> 00:23:17.119
<v Speaker 2>Shit, okay, So.

495
00:23:17.079 --> 00:23:21.000
<v Speaker 1>The morning came and they're in the harbor. More than

496
00:23:21.000 --> 00:23:22.799
<v Speaker 1>that spot was the well deserved.

497
00:23:23.640 --> 00:23:26.480
<v Speaker 2>Oh okay, that's good. You would be like, oh, they've

498
00:23:26.519 --> 00:23:26.920
<v Speaker 2>done this.

499
00:23:27.640 --> 00:23:30.880
<v Speaker 1>But Thomas and Jackie were nowhere to be found.

500
00:23:31.480 --> 00:23:33.400
<v Speaker 2>Well, maybe they went out for breakfast.

501
00:23:34.400 --> 00:23:36.200
<v Speaker 1>Some mimosas, some eggs, Benny.

502
00:23:36.359 --> 00:23:39.799
<v Speaker 2>You know, they just sold their boat and they're celebrating,

503
00:23:40.039 --> 00:23:41.839
<v Speaker 2>oh yeah, you know, living it up.

504
00:23:42.000 --> 00:23:43.839
<v Speaker 1>And that's one of the first impressions that a lot

505
00:23:43.880 --> 00:23:46.359
<v Speaker 1>of people had, because their SUV was also missing. So

506
00:23:46.440 --> 00:23:48.519
<v Speaker 1>friends thought that maybe they must have left for a

507
00:23:48.519 --> 00:23:51.200
<v Speaker 1>spontaneous road trip to celebrate the sail of their boat,

508
00:23:52.119 --> 00:23:55.519
<v Speaker 1>or maybe they quickly headed back to Arizona or something

509
00:23:55.559 --> 00:23:59.599
<v Speaker 1>for quick you know, Hurrah trip or who knows what. Yeah,

510
00:23:59.640 --> 00:24:03.240
<v Speaker 1>but they figured, okay, well, they probably just spontaneously.

511
00:24:02.519 --> 00:24:04.960
<v Speaker 2>Took off but they definitely should have like called Carter.

512
00:24:05.440 --> 00:24:07.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, which was which was weird that they didn't.

513
00:24:07.839 --> 00:24:08.319
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

514
00:24:08.759 --> 00:24:10.960
<v Speaker 1>So the days began to roll by and still no

515
00:24:11.079 --> 00:24:14.400
<v Speaker 1>sign of Thomas and Jackie. On top of that, friends

516
00:24:14.440 --> 00:24:18.160
<v Speaker 1>noticed a couple odd things going on here.

517
00:24:18.720 --> 00:24:19.720
<v Speaker 2>Okay, I'm intrigued.

518
00:24:19.880 --> 00:24:24.000
<v Speaker 1>First off, there is a dinghy that goes along with

519
00:24:24.079 --> 00:24:26.599
<v Speaker 1>the Well Deserved. So when the boat is moored out

520
00:24:26.640 --> 00:24:29.480
<v Speaker 1>in the harbor, it's staying on the water, it's anchored,

521
00:24:29.920 --> 00:24:31.720
<v Speaker 1>and then to get to shore, they use the dinghy

522
00:24:31.839 --> 00:24:34.359
<v Speaker 1>to basically taxi back and forth and then tie the

523
00:24:34.440 --> 00:24:35.359
<v Speaker 1>dinghy up at the dock.

524
00:24:35.480 --> 00:24:36.559
<v Speaker 2>Okay, yeah, makes sense.

525
00:24:36.799 --> 00:24:41.319
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the dingy wasn't tied to the dock.

526
00:24:41.400 --> 00:24:44.920
<v Speaker 2>C oh okay, I was like the dingy was gone.

527
00:24:45.039 --> 00:24:45.720
<v Speaker 1>Dingy was there.

528
00:24:45.759 --> 00:24:47.880
<v Speaker 2>He was at the dock, but not tied. He wasn't

529
00:24:47.920 --> 00:24:51.319
<v Speaker 2>tied correctly, not like what a boat or with experience would.

530
00:24:51.160 --> 00:24:55.279
<v Speaker 1>Tie it, not like a meticulous Thomas would do. He

531
00:24:55.400 --> 00:24:59.039
<v Speaker 1>kept very good care of his ship. Everything was in order.

532
00:24:59.359 --> 00:25:02.759
<v Speaker 1>Every not was perfect. This not was far from perfect,

533
00:25:03.920 --> 00:25:07.359
<v Speaker 1>completely incorrect. Not at that it was not right.

534
00:25:07.279 --> 00:25:11.079
<v Speaker 2>Not okay, yeah, that would that would be one thing.

535
00:25:13.000 --> 00:25:15.759
<v Speaker 1>A closer look actually at the boat because friends, you know,

536
00:25:16.119 --> 00:25:17.359
<v Speaker 1>thought this is weird.

537
00:25:17.440 --> 00:25:19.200
<v Speaker 2>Well did they go out into the big boat.

538
00:25:19.279 --> 00:25:21.680
<v Speaker 1>They didn't go into it, but they were like they

539
00:25:21.680 --> 00:25:24.160
<v Speaker 1>boated around and close to it and looking at it.

540
00:25:24.200 --> 00:25:25.319
<v Speaker 2>Oh, they should have gone right in.

541
00:25:25.440 --> 00:25:29.440
<v Speaker 1>I would, Well, it's not their property. Yeah, but that's

542
00:25:29.440 --> 00:25:32.000
<v Speaker 1>breaking and entering into a house, is what that's doing.

543
00:25:32.319 --> 00:25:34.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. But if it's your friend and you're like checking.

544
00:25:34.400 --> 00:25:36.440
<v Speaker 1>On, that's still break. What if it's a crime scene,

545
00:25:36.480 --> 00:25:37.680
<v Speaker 1>you're breaking and entering into.

546
00:25:37.559 --> 00:25:38.960
<v Speaker 2>A crimes I would have gone on the boat.

547
00:25:39.039 --> 00:25:41.680
<v Speaker 1>You're going to smash into a friend's door and go

548
00:25:41.720 --> 00:25:46.039
<v Speaker 1>looking for them before calling the cops. I don't know,

549
00:25:46.880 --> 00:25:48.200
<v Speaker 1>I didn't think so, I don't know.

550
00:25:48.680 --> 00:25:50.519
<v Speaker 2>I think that's the same as answer. I'm just gonna

551
00:25:50.519 --> 00:25:51.000
<v Speaker 2>I don't.

552
00:25:50.839 --> 00:25:53.839
<v Speaker 1>Know, so a closer look of the boat, because they

553
00:25:53.880 --> 00:25:55.960
<v Speaker 1>were they're peeking in, like saying, just like seeing if

554
00:25:55.960 --> 00:25:57.599
<v Speaker 1>anyone's parked in the driveway or whatever.

555
00:25:59.200 --> 00:26:00.160
<v Speaker 2>Okay, that's fair.

556
00:26:00.000 --> 00:26:02.319
<v Speaker 1>Sort of thing. It's dry buys, but with a boat, okay.

557
00:26:02.880 --> 00:26:06.279
<v Speaker 1>Showed tarps not covering equipment properly, a motor not put

558
00:26:06.279 --> 00:26:08.920
<v Speaker 1>in the correct position, and a towel hanging out of

559
00:26:08.960 --> 00:26:13.759
<v Speaker 1>an open porthole window. Oh something wasn't right.

560
00:26:13.960 --> 00:26:15.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there's a lot of things going on there that

561
00:26:16.079 --> 00:26:16.720
<v Speaker 2>is not right.

562
00:26:16.920 --> 00:26:20.079
<v Speaker 1>They made sure everything was in its place, and everything

563
00:26:20.279 --> 00:26:21.559
<v Speaker 1>was not in its place.

564
00:26:21.839 --> 00:26:22.759
<v Speaker 2>Oh no.

565
00:26:24.160 --> 00:26:27.759
<v Speaker 1>So of course police were called and investigators began looking

566
00:26:27.759 --> 00:26:30.160
<v Speaker 1>into the case, and the first place they did start

567
00:26:30.680 --> 00:26:32.079
<v Speaker 1>was on board the Well Deserved.

568
00:26:32.240 --> 00:26:32.640
<v Speaker 2>Okay.

569
00:26:32.759 --> 00:26:34.440
<v Speaker 1>Now they had no means of entry, so they had

570
00:26:34.480 --> 00:26:37.160
<v Speaker 1>to break in. But it was investigators. It's for someone's

571
00:26:37.200 --> 00:26:39.680
<v Speaker 1>well being, right, Yeah, So they had every So that's okay.

572
00:26:39.680 --> 00:26:43.720
<v Speaker 2>Apparently it's lot officials.

573
00:26:43.759 --> 00:26:45.960
<v Speaker 1>It's not just some blonde with a glass of wine.

574
00:26:46.000 --> 00:26:49.240
<v Speaker 1>Where the fuck are you? But I'm coming in the

575
00:26:49.279 --> 00:26:50.599
<v Speaker 1>dory some.

576
00:26:50.680 --> 00:26:54.599
<v Speaker 2>Blonde with a glass of wine. Achave me? Yeah, hey,

577
00:26:54.599 --> 00:26:58.920
<v Speaker 2>I'm drinking water. You're the one was always drinking.

578
00:26:59.279 --> 00:27:01.359
<v Speaker 1>I like alcohol, so do you.

579
00:27:01.920 --> 00:27:04.559
<v Speaker 2>I already had a glass of wine tonight. I does

580
00:27:04.839 --> 00:27:08.279
<v Speaker 2>not have another, okay.

581
00:27:08.319 --> 00:27:09.640
<v Speaker 1>I took a step of beer, so I had like

582
00:27:10.039 --> 00:27:12.680
<v Speaker 1>gotta put it down. Okay. So they began looking on

583
00:27:12.720 --> 00:27:15.400
<v Speaker 1>board the Well Deserved and they had no means of entry,

584
00:27:15.400 --> 00:27:17.480
<v Speaker 1>so they broke the lock. Blah blah blah blah, Am

585
00:27:17.519 --> 00:27:23.720
<v Speaker 1>I here okay. So after entering, they almost immediately see,

586
00:27:23.880 --> 00:27:26.359
<v Speaker 1>you know, of course, things are scattered around. Things aren't.

587
00:27:26.480 --> 00:27:29.400
<v Speaker 1>It's not a disaster, no struggle, it's just not well

588
00:27:29.480 --> 00:27:31.000
<v Speaker 1>kept and maintained like it should be.

589
00:27:31.160 --> 00:27:33.559
<v Speaker 2>Okay, like they would have had it. Yes, yeah.

590
00:27:33.599 --> 00:27:37.119
<v Speaker 1>And they also found a receipt laying on the open

591
00:27:37.119 --> 00:27:42.960
<v Speaker 1>floor okay. And the receipt was for a few things.

592
00:27:43.000 --> 00:27:48.400
<v Speaker 1>But among those things was bleach cleaning supplies, trash bags,

593
00:27:48.960 --> 00:27:53.119
<v Speaker 1>oh shit, and thumbs a suspicious shopping lift.

594
00:27:53.240 --> 00:27:55.640
<v Speaker 2>What the the thumbs for? A tummy?

595
00:27:55.960 --> 00:27:59.319
<v Speaker 1>Hold on? Hold on? So a suspicious, suspicious list that

596
00:27:59.480 --> 00:28:05.519
<v Speaker 1>was also dated two days after they went missing. I

597
00:28:05.519 --> 00:28:06.839
<v Speaker 1>think that was just in our headphones. Did you guys

598
00:28:06.880 --> 00:28:08.720
<v Speaker 1>hear a buzz? We just had feedback. I think it

599
00:28:08.759 --> 00:28:09.640
<v Speaker 1>was just our headphones.

600
00:28:09.759 --> 00:28:13.319
<v Speaker 2>I think it's the red lady. She followed us. A shit, shit,

601
00:28:13.400 --> 00:28:19.000
<v Speaker 2>we gotta go. Okay, I'm so intrigued to know what

602
00:28:19.039 --> 00:28:21.640
<v Speaker 2>the fuck the tombs is for. So let's go okay,

603
00:28:21.799 --> 00:28:22.839
<v Speaker 2>let's keep going.

604
00:28:23.759 --> 00:28:28.039
<v Speaker 1>So one of the investigators said this, and I quote,

605
00:28:29.119 --> 00:28:31.720
<v Speaker 1>if I was gonna kill somebody, I'd have my clean

606
00:28:31.799 --> 00:28:34.799
<v Speaker 1>kit and it will be bags to get rid of evidence,

607
00:28:36.359 --> 00:28:39.039
<v Speaker 1>to wipe down the scene, and maybe, if I had

608
00:28:39.039 --> 00:28:42.559
<v Speaker 1>a conscience, some tombs to settle my stomach after killing

609
00:28:42.559 --> 00:28:47.960
<v Speaker 1>some poor people. Oh so that could be what the

610
00:28:47.960 --> 00:28:48.640
<v Speaker 1>tombs are for.

611
00:28:49.640 --> 00:28:54.200
<v Speaker 2>That's interesting. Okay, that's like just something that you well, Okay,

612
00:28:54.240 --> 00:28:56.839
<v Speaker 2>so they were anxious. They might have had like the

613
00:28:56.880 --> 00:29:00.440
<v Speaker 2>shits because they were like nervous about what they are doing.

614
00:29:00.440 --> 00:29:02.160
<v Speaker 2>So they're buying this stuff and then they get buy

615
00:29:02.240 --> 00:29:05.720
<v Speaker 2>tombs too. Yeah, maybe if you're nervous rooms. I don't know.

616
00:29:05.759 --> 00:29:07.160
<v Speaker 2>I think nervous people get the ships.

617
00:29:07.200 --> 00:29:09.200
<v Speaker 1>Well. I think like when I was younger, the first

618
00:29:09.200 --> 00:29:11.240
<v Speaker 1>time I bought condoms, about like twelve other things with

619
00:29:11.319 --> 00:29:13.880
<v Speaker 1>it because I was nervous to buy condoms, you know,

620
00:29:14.359 --> 00:29:16.920
<v Speaker 1>act casual, right, get some chips with it or maybe

621
00:29:16.960 --> 00:29:18.559
<v Speaker 1>a loaf of bread, you know.

622
00:29:19.160 --> 00:29:21.680
<v Speaker 2>I still feel like I'm like that with tampons. Is

623
00:29:21.759 --> 00:29:24.960
<v Speaker 2>so awkward because lots of times when I'm buying tampons,

624
00:29:24.960 --> 00:29:29.319
<v Speaker 2>I'm also buying like chocolate, and they're just like geez.

625
00:29:30.119 --> 00:29:32.119
<v Speaker 1>I don't think that's an awkward thing. I think that's

626
00:29:32.240 --> 00:29:36.000
<v Speaker 1>just a hormonal thing you crave and some chocolate and

627
00:29:36.039 --> 00:29:40.119
<v Speaker 1>some snacky chips, you know. I don't know. I I've

628
00:29:40.160 --> 00:29:42.599
<v Speaker 1>never experienced a period, so I can't say for sure,

629
00:29:42.640 --> 00:29:44.000
<v Speaker 1>but that's gonna be my guess.

630
00:29:44.119 --> 00:29:46.079
<v Speaker 2>That's not the best, that's for sure.

631
00:29:46.720 --> 00:29:48.759
<v Speaker 1>Thank God. I'm a dude. I can pee standing up

632
00:29:48.799 --> 00:29:50.119
<v Speaker 1>and I don't get cramps and bleed.

633
00:29:50.880 --> 00:29:52.759
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, you're lucky.

634
00:29:52.960 --> 00:30:01.000
<v Speaker 1>I am. I'm lucky. I have you you are w Anyways,

635
00:30:01.839 --> 00:30:03.079
<v Speaker 1>that aside.

636
00:30:02.759 --> 00:30:04.440
<v Speaker 2>Holy let's keep going here.

637
00:30:04.720 --> 00:30:06.880
<v Speaker 1>So friends and family all knew that Thomas and Jackie

638
00:30:06.880 --> 00:30:09.359
<v Speaker 1>were selling the boats. The next step for investigators was

639
00:30:09.400 --> 00:30:11.119
<v Speaker 1>to get a hold of the people who were interested

640
00:30:11.160 --> 00:30:15.319
<v Speaker 1>in making the purchase. Skuyler and Jennifer said that they

641
00:30:15.319 --> 00:30:18.440
<v Speaker 1>had purchased the boat from the owners with cash in full,

642
00:30:19.400 --> 00:30:21.440
<v Speaker 1>and they hadn't seen them since the transaction.

643
00:30:22.440 --> 00:30:24.519
<v Speaker 2>Okay, so they're saying that they at this point they

644
00:30:24.559 --> 00:30:25.119
<v Speaker 2>owned the boat.

645
00:30:25.240 --> 00:30:28.160
<v Speaker 1>It's their boat. They owned the boat, they paid for it.

646
00:30:28.279 --> 00:30:31.599
<v Speaker 1>They don't where Thomas and Jackie are.

647
00:30:32.680 --> 00:30:34.920
<v Speaker 2>That's interesting, Okay, So if.

648
00:30:34.720 --> 00:30:37.240
<v Speaker 1>This is true, there must have been a deposit into

649
00:30:37.279 --> 00:30:39.200
<v Speaker 1>the bank of Thomas and Jackie Hawk.

650
00:30:39.880 --> 00:30:43.480
<v Speaker 2>However, well, not necessarily was cash and they took off.

651
00:30:43.519 --> 00:30:45.240
<v Speaker 1>So are they just running around with half a million

652
00:30:45.279 --> 00:30:45.960
<v Speaker 1>dollars in cash?

653
00:30:46.039 --> 00:30:49.319
<v Speaker 2>They don't see. They don't seem like the kind of

654
00:30:49.319 --> 00:30:50.319
<v Speaker 2>people that would do that.

655
00:30:50.599 --> 00:30:54.519
<v Speaker 1>Definitely not. Yeah, so there was no deposit into the account. Okay.

656
00:30:55.880 --> 00:30:59.720
<v Speaker 1>Other than this, the buyers weren't like the most helpful

657
00:30:59.759 --> 00:31:01.400
<v Speaker 1>or to give a lot of info. They're like, I

658
00:31:01.440 --> 00:31:04.240
<v Speaker 1>don't know we bought the boat. We don't know where

659
00:31:04.279 --> 00:31:05.839
<v Speaker 1>they are. That's about it.

660
00:31:06.000 --> 00:31:09.759
<v Speaker 2>People are missing be helpful. I know that's rude.

661
00:31:10.160 --> 00:31:14.279
<v Speaker 1>So trying to get more information, the investigators began to

662
00:31:14.319 --> 00:31:17.920
<v Speaker 1>stake out the couple and follow them around. Okay, Jackie

663
00:31:18.000 --> 00:31:20.680
<v Speaker 1>was followed to a hair salon where she worked. Should

664
00:31:20.680 --> 00:31:24.480
<v Speaker 1>go in, go about her shift, and go home? Both

665
00:31:24.480 --> 00:31:27.079
<v Speaker 1>the two of them. Jackie and Skyler were both followed

666
00:31:27.119 --> 00:31:32.519
<v Speaker 1>to a church where they volunteered for cleaning inside the church. Oh,

667
00:31:32.599 --> 00:31:35.119
<v Speaker 1>they were living normal lives. They were literally giving no

668
00:31:35.160 --> 00:31:38.680
<v Speaker 1>reason for foul play, any suspicious behavior or nothing.

669
00:31:38.920 --> 00:31:43.519
<v Speaker 2>Okay, so interesting. I wonder if they knew they were

670
00:31:43.519 --> 00:31:44.200
<v Speaker 2>being followed.

671
00:31:44.559 --> 00:31:46.599
<v Speaker 1>I don't think they did. No, they were just living

672
00:31:46.599 --> 00:31:47.039
<v Speaker 1>their life.

673
00:31:47.319 --> 00:31:47.640
<v Speaker 2>Okay.

674
00:31:48.839 --> 00:31:51.319
<v Speaker 1>Investigators began to dig a little deeper, you know, trying

675
00:31:51.319 --> 00:31:53.519
<v Speaker 1>to find something. There's got to be something. Something's not right.

676
00:31:53.640 --> 00:31:56.119
<v Speaker 1>We have too some people, no evidence of transaction.

677
00:31:56.440 --> 00:31:57.279
<v Speaker 2>Definitely not right.

678
00:31:57.599 --> 00:31:58.599
<v Speaker 1>Definitely not right.

679
00:31:58.640 --> 00:32:01.039
<v Speaker 2>Like, let's get this shit figured out. I hope this

680
00:32:01.119 --> 00:32:03.279
<v Speaker 2>is this is not one of those ones where, oh,

681
00:32:03.319 --> 00:32:04.359
<v Speaker 2>we don't know what's happened.

682
00:32:04.480 --> 00:32:05.319
<v Speaker 1>Oh, we know what's happened.

683
00:32:05.400 --> 00:32:08.279
<v Speaker 2>Okay, thank god, we know what's happened, because I don't

684
00:32:08.279 --> 00:32:09.279
<v Speaker 2>want to deal with that today.

685
00:32:09.640 --> 00:32:11.960
<v Speaker 1>So they dug deeper and they found that the couple

686
00:32:12.880 --> 00:32:15.880
<v Speaker 1>was living in Jackie's parents' garage, which had been converted

687
00:32:15.920 --> 00:32:19.400
<v Speaker 1>into a suite, and that Jackie was actually the breadwinner

688
00:32:19.599 --> 00:32:23.680
<v Speaker 1>of the family and being a hairdresser, it's not like

689
00:32:23.759 --> 00:32:27.240
<v Speaker 1>they're making the money, Skyler claimed. They were.

690
00:32:27.839 --> 00:32:32.519
<v Speaker 2>Oh okay, yeah, yeah, okay for sure, and they're just

691
00:32:32.559 --> 00:32:35.640
<v Speaker 2>living and they're just living in her parents' garage.

692
00:32:35.880 --> 00:32:40.640
<v Speaker 1>Yes. Interesting, So those real estate purchases or whatever didn't exist.

693
00:32:41.880 --> 00:32:45.000
<v Speaker 1>And like I said, he was just a bit part

694
00:32:45.039 --> 00:32:48.359
<v Speaker 1>on the Power Rangers show and they were in debt

695
00:32:48.440 --> 00:32:52.599
<v Speaker 1>eighty seven thousand dollars. Oh, not the kind of people

696
00:32:52.640 --> 00:32:53.720
<v Speaker 1>who could afford a yacht.

697
00:32:53.960 --> 00:32:55.039
<v Speaker 2>Yeah with cash?

698
00:32:55.240 --> 00:32:58.079
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, no, thank you. Yeah that's not happening.

699
00:32:58.240 --> 00:33:00.000
<v Speaker 2>No, that is definitely not happening.

700
00:33:00.240 --> 00:33:02.319
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I skipped over a bit of the Power Rangers

701
00:33:02.319 --> 00:33:04.279
<v Speaker 1>info there because we already covered it all. I just

702
00:33:04.279 --> 00:33:06.000
<v Speaker 1>looked at it. I'm like, oh, we already said it.

703
00:33:06.200 --> 00:33:07.880
<v Speaker 2>But like that's actually true that he was in The

704
00:33:07.880 --> 00:33:10.599
<v Speaker 2>Power Rangers. Yep, Okay, I don't know why, but I'm

705
00:33:10.640 --> 00:33:13.240
<v Speaker 2>just doing I think I think he was in The.

706
00:33:13.160 --> 00:33:15.079
<v Speaker 1>Power Rangers twice for like a total of like three

707
00:33:15.200 --> 00:33:15.960
<v Speaker 1>or four seconds.

708
00:33:16.200 --> 00:33:19.279
<v Speaker 2>No, Like, how much would that even make? You?

709
00:33:19.599 --> 00:33:21.680
<v Speaker 1>Like? Nothing, he probably made like, I don't know, two

710
00:33:21.759 --> 00:33:25.440
<v Speaker 1>hundred bucks or something. Yeah, I have no idea, huh.

711
00:33:25.480 --> 00:33:28.480
<v Speaker 1>And it's not like The Power Rangers was super high budget,

712
00:33:28.839 --> 00:33:32.000
<v Speaker 1>Like it's super cheesy acting. First of all, you claim

713
00:33:32.039 --> 00:33:34.200
<v Speaker 1>you're on the Power Rangers for being acting. It's like,

714
00:33:34.759 --> 00:33:38.759
<v Speaker 1>I mean, that's not like great a acting there. Don't

715
00:33:38.759 --> 00:33:39.240
<v Speaker 1>get me wrong.

716
00:33:39.279 --> 00:33:43.240
<v Speaker 2>I can't even remember. I can't I have like, I mean,

717
00:33:43.279 --> 00:33:45.400
<v Speaker 2>I'm sure I watched the shows, but it's been a while.

718
00:33:45.559 --> 00:33:47.839
<v Speaker 1>I love the Power Rangers. I love them as a kid,

719
00:33:47.920 --> 00:33:52.039
<v Speaker 1>love them now. They're very entertaining, athletic people. The costume

720
00:33:52.039 --> 00:33:55.279
<v Speaker 1>design was great, but it was cheesy. It was cheesy.

721
00:33:55.319 --> 00:33:56.200
<v Speaker 1>It was meant for kids.

722
00:33:56.400 --> 00:33:58.079
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

723
00:33:58.319 --> 00:34:04.440
<v Speaker 1>So there's some suspicious thing about mister Power Rangers and Jennifer.

724
00:34:05.720 --> 00:34:09.440
<v Speaker 1>So Skyler gets brought in for questioning from investigators and

725
00:34:09.480 --> 00:34:12.920
<v Speaker 1>they want to know where they got the cash from.

726
00:34:13.119 --> 00:34:13.920
<v Speaker 2>Fair question.

727
00:34:14.159 --> 00:34:16.800
<v Speaker 1>After talking for a little while, Skyler admits something.

728
00:34:17.519 --> 00:34:18.639
<v Speaker 2>Okay, what does she amit?

729
00:34:20.360 --> 00:34:27.320
<v Speaker 1>Skyler admits the money was made using drug sales for Mexico.

730
00:34:27.960 --> 00:34:30.480
<v Speaker 2>Oh shit, yeah, I don't know why, but I wasn't

731
00:34:30.480 --> 00:34:31.000
<v Speaker 2>expecting that.

732
00:34:31.760 --> 00:34:35.320
<v Speaker 1>Yep, and Skyler maintained the story. They did the transaction

733
00:34:35.480 --> 00:34:39.440
<v Speaker 1>mostly in one hundred dollars bills, and from there, Thomas

734
00:34:39.480 --> 00:34:42.719
<v Speaker 1>and Jackie asked Skyler if they could use the connections

735
00:34:43.079 --> 00:34:47.119
<v Speaker 1>from the drug transactions to help open a bank in

736
00:34:47.239 --> 00:34:49.519
<v Speaker 1>Mexico where they could buy a house down there.

737
00:34:51.800 --> 00:34:56.960
<v Speaker 2>What that's confusing and doesn't make sense? Hold on, hold on, okay.

738
00:34:57.239 --> 00:35:00.559
<v Speaker 1>From there, they gave Skyler the power of a hernie

739
00:35:00.920 --> 00:35:04.840
<v Speaker 1>over their finances to do so, and Skyler was able

740
00:35:04.880 --> 00:35:09.119
<v Speaker 1>to provide a signed document to the police to prove it.

741
00:35:09.960 --> 00:35:14.239
<v Speaker 2>That doesn't make any sense, like zero sentence.

742
00:35:15.440 --> 00:35:18.960
<v Speaker 1>Not only were signatures required for this document, though fingerprints

743
00:35:18.960 --> 00:35:19.880
<v Speaker 1>were required as well.

744
00:35:20.800 --> 00:35:23.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but if you were held at friaking gunpot on

745
00:35:23.400 --> 00:35:27.159
<v Speaker 2>a boat, you'd probably do that. Shit, Maybe I would.

746
00:35:27.400 --> 00:35:29.519
<v Speaker 1>There was even a notary who witnessed the signings of

747
00:35:29.559 --> 00:35:32.280
<v Speaker 1>the document and described the same events of the transaction

748
00:35:32.480 --> 00:35:34.719
<v Speaker 1>as Skyler and Jennifer was.

749
00:35:34.679 --> 00:35:37.360
<v Speaker 2>The notary the freaking dude that was on the boat.

750
00:35:37.599 --> 00:35:42.880
<v Speaker 1>It was not w But here's the thing. The notary

751
00:35:42.960 --> 00:35:46.920
<v Speaker 1>was asked to describe the events, did so in perfect detail,

752
00:35:47.159 --> 00:35:50.440
<v Speaker 1>and was asked to describe Thomas and Jackie. Thomas she

753
00:35:50.519 --> 00:35:53.920
<v Speaker 1>described to a t Jackie. However, she described Jackie as

754
00:35:53.960 --> 00:35:58.960
<v Speaker 1>having long, brown curly hair. Jackie no longer had long

755
00:35:59.000 --> 00:36:02.679
<v Speaker 1>brown curly hair. Jackie since they purchased the boat, she

756
00:36:02.719 --> 00:36:05.280
<v Speaker 1>had cut her hair shorter and had it bleach blonde

757
00:36:05.280 --> 00:36:09.199
<v Speaker 1>and spiked, but she did used to have long, brown

758
00:36:09.280 --> 00:36:09.840
<v Speaker 1>curly hair.

759
00:36:11.760 --> 00:36:14.199
<v Speaker 2>I'm confused. Am I supposed to be getting something that

760
00:36:14.239 --> 00:36:14.880
<v Speaker 2>I'm not kidding?

761
00:36:15.079 --> 00:36:17.519
<v Speaker 1>You're not getting nothing until it's revealed. Trust me.

762
00:36:17.559 --> 00:36:19.199
<v Speaker 2>Here, am I gonna be shocked?

763
00:36:19.800 --> 00:36:21.199
<v Speaker 1>We'll find out, because right.

764
00:36:21.119 --> 00:36:22.480
<v Speaker 2>Now I'm just like, what the fuck?

765
00:36:23.039 --> 00:36:26.280
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we are. This might be a long episode because

766
00:36:26.280 --> 00:36:27.960
<v Speaker 1>we're gonna do this in one. So sorry if this

767
00:36:28.039 --> 00:36:30.039
<v Speaker 1>is a long episode guys, but we are not going

768
00:36:30.119 --> 00:36:32.639
<v Speaker 1>to separate this too. You guys ain't gonna wait. You're

769
00:36:32.639 --> 00:36:33.239
<v Speaker 1>gonna hear it all.

770
00:36:33.320 --> 00:36:35.400
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, I want to. I'm not waiting for shit.

771
00:36:36.599 --> 00:36:38.159
<v Speaker 1>Okay, So none of this, like you said, none of

772
00:36:38.159 --> 00:36:38.960
<v Speaker 1>this has makeing sense.

773
00:36:39.280 --> 00:36:41.239
<v Speaker 2>No, I'm like utterly confused.

774
00:36:40.840 --> 00:36:44.480
<v Speaker 1>Like, these two people just gave power of attorney over

775
00:36:44.719 --> 00:36:48.880
<v Speaker 1>all their finances to someone they don't even know. Yeah,

776
00:36:49.039 --> 00:36:55.159
<v Speaker 1>who's involved in drug trafficking and there's documentation and witnesses

777
00:36:55.199 --> 00:36:55.639
<v Speaker 1>to prove it.

778
00:36:56.039 --> 00:36:59.559
<v Speaker 2>And Jackie looks like she's the Jackie of the past.

779
00:36:59.480 --> 00:37:05.039
<v Speaker 1>Yep, according to the who. So that's a lot to

780
00:37:05.079 --> 00:37:06.599
<v Speaker 1>absorb there, It's a lot.

781
00:37:06.960 --> 00:37:08.920
<v Speaker 2>Like I actually feel like, why the fuck do I

782
00:37:08.960 --> 00:37:09.960
<v Speaker 2>not have a glass of wine?

783
00:37:10.039 --> 00:37:12.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So Skyler's saying that Jackie and Thomas basically went

784
00:37:12.960 --> 00:37:14.880
<v Speaker 1>took off to Mexico to buy a house there. So

785
00:37:15.000 --> 00:37:18.159
<v Speaker 1>if they did take off to miss Mexico, investigators still

786
00:37:18.159 --> 00:37:21.159
<v Speaker 1>need to find them. They need to confirm what Skyler claims.

787
00:37:21.199 --> 00:37:23.079
<v Speaker 1>They need to make sure that the couple that the

788
00:37:23.119 --> 00:37:26.679
<v Speaker 1>Hawks are Okay, So they put out a national video

789
00:37:27.039 --> 00:37:30.159
<v Speaker 1>with Thomas's son Ryan, asking for the public's help to

790
00:37:30.199 --> 00:37:33.000
<v Speaker 1>find his parents, and they gave him description of the

791
00:37:33.039 --> 00:37:35.880
<v Speaker 1>missing suv as well along with it.

792
00:37:36.400 --> 00:37:39.599
<v Speaker 2>Because yeah, they were going to Arizona, not Mexico. So okay,

793
00:37:39.760 --> 00:37:40.559
<v Speaker 2>I'm just confused.

794
00:37:40.559 --> 00:37:41.920
<v Speaker 1>Well, that's where they were going to move back to

795
00:37:41.920 --> 00:37:45.920
<v Speaker 1>see family, Yes, Arizona, okay, And they're currently in California

796
00:37:45.920 --> 00:37:49.519
<v Speaker 1>when they went missing. So literally like that, that's not

797
00:37:49.639 --> 00:37:56.239
<v Speaker 1>even anywhere near Arizona. Like Mexico's Mexico, Arizona's Arizona.

798
00:37:56.320 --> 00:37:57.519
<v Speaker 2>Like but yeah, yeah.

799
00:37:58.400 --> 00:38:03.480
<v Speaker 1>Okay, So they put out the public broadcast. They got

800
00:38:03.480 --> 00:38:07.920
<v Speaker 1>a hit. Someone had found the missing suv.

801
00:38:08.760 --> 00:38:09.119
<v Speaker 2>Okay.

802
00:38:09.360 --> 00:38:11.880
<v Speaker 1>A US citizen called in and said that they were

803
00:38:11.880 --> 00:38:14.440
<v Speaker 1>in Mexico and they were standing in front of and

804
00:38:14.480 --> 00:38:17.960
<v Speaker 1>looking directly at the missing suv that was just on TV.

805
00:38:18.719 --> 00:38:19.360
<v Speaker 1>It was found.

806
00:38:20.559 --> 00:38:21.119
<v Speaker 2>Wow.

807
00:38:22.199 --> 00:38:24.880
<v Speaker 1>The suv was parked outside of a residence and the

808
00:38:24.920 --> 00:38:29.159
<v Speaker 1>homeowner said that Skyler Delion was an old surfing buddy

809
00:38:29.519 --> 00:38:33.760
<v Speaker 1>and gave him the vehicle. Then his wife, Jennifer stopped

810
00:38:33.760 --> 00:38:38.360
<v Speaker 1>by in another vehicle and they drove home and inside

811
00:38:38.400 --> 00:38:42.400
<v Speaker 1>the car they found Skyler's DNA from a swab on

812
00:38:44.360 --> 00:38:45.559
<v Speaker 1>Jackie Jennifer.

813
00:38:46.159 --> 00:38:48.239
<v Speaker 2>Oh, am I getting names mixed up? Now?

814
00:38:48.480 --> 00:38:52.239
<v Speaker 1>Maybe? Am I getting names mixed up? Now? Why did

815
00:38:52.280 --> 00:38:52.920
<v Speaker 1>you do this to me?

816
00:38:53.079 --> 00:38:56.599
<v Speaker 2>Well? Now I'm just like what Skyler.

817
00:38:56.239 --> 00:38:59.559
<v Speaker 1>And it's Thomas and Jackie are the hawks?

818
00:38:59.679 --> 00:39:02.679
<v Speaker 2>Okay? Sorry I am confused.

819
00:39:02.239 --> 00:39:07.719
<v Speaker 1>Then okay, and yeah, Skyler and Jennifer are the purchasers.

820
00:39:08.400 --> 00:39:11.440
<v Speaker 2>Okay, So okay, I'm I'm confused. You need to explain this.

821
00:39:11.840 --> 00:39:15.920
<v Speaker 2>Skyler dropped off the suv, yes.

822
00:39:16.679 --> 00:39:19.400
<v Speaker 1>And gave it to an old surfing buddy in Mexico.

823
00:39:19.440 --> 00:39:21.199
<v Speaker 2>Why did Skyler have the suv? Though?

824
00:39:21.880 --> 00:39:24.960
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, I do, Okay.

825
00:39:24.360 --> 00:39:26.920
<v Speaker 2>Well, that's why I'm confused. I was expecting it to

826
00:39:26.960 --> 00:39:29.880
<v Speaker 2>be Thomas and Jackie that had the SUV. So sorry,

827
00:39:29.920 --> 00:39:32.159
<v Speaker 2>I was like, didn't I pretty much just making up

828
00:39:32.199 --> 00:39:33.440
<v Speaker 2>the story in my head. And that's wrong.

829
00:39:34.079 --> 00:39:40.480
<v Speaker 1>It's wrong Skyler and Jennifer were in possession of Thomas

830
00:39:40.559 --> 00:39:43.960
<v Speaker 1>and Jackie's suv. Thomas and Jackie are the ones that are.

831
00:39:43.800 --> 00:39:48.239
<v Speaker 2>Missing, okay. And did Jennifer say anything about them giving

832
00:39:48.239 --> 00:39:52.559
<v Speaker 2>this suv to someone? No, Okay, Skyler, that's already fucked

833
00:39:52.639 --> 00:39:53.639
<v Speaker 2>up from what they said.

834
00:39:54.039 --> 00:39:56.199
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there's a lot of fucked up stuff going on.

835
00:39:56.239 --> 00:39:57.800
<v Speaker 1>A lot of stuff does not make sense.

836
00:39:58.280 --> 00:40:03.679
<v Speaker 2>Well yeah, because yeah, okay, this is yeah, you have

837
00:40:03.880 --> 00:40:05.960
<v Speaker 2>I have absolutely no idea how this is going to

838
00:40:06.039 --> 00:40:06.400
<v Speaker 2>go down.

839
00:40:06.599 --> 00:40:08.679
<v Speaker 1>Good. That's kind of the point.

840
00:40:08.880 --> 00:40:11.280
<v Speaker 2>That is probably the point, yes, of this podcast.

841
00:40:12.800 --> 00:40:17.599
<v Speaker 1>So clearly something's wrong doesn't make sense, as your kerfuffle shows.

842
00:40:18.360 --> 00:40:22.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, sorry, sorry, people, I'm okay. Maybe everyone else is

843
00:40:22.440 --> 00:40:24.199
<v Speaker 2>having trouble keeping up because this is wild.

844
00:40:24.480 --> 00:40:28.239
<v Speaker 1>It is wild, but whatever's going wrong, Like investigators are

845
00:40:28.320 --> 00:40:30.960
<v Speaker 1>just baffled and they're just trying to find evidence. They're

846
00:40:31.000 --> 00:40:32.719
<v Speaker 1>just trying to figure out what the fuck is happening.

847
00:40:32.760 --> 00:40:34.880
<v Speaker 2>Well, they're doing a good job looking through everything.

848
00:40:34.920 --> 00:40:37.920
<v Speaker 1>I like that they did and to start with, to

849
00:40:37.960 --> 00:40:41.000
<v Speaker 1>try and dig deeper, what they did was they arrested

850
00:40:41.039 --> 00:40:44.960
<v Speaker 1>Skyler for money laundering because I've already confessed confessed to

851
00:40:44.960 --> 00:40:48.480
<v Speaker 1>that drug money. Well, yeah, and now they could actually

852
00:40:48.480 --> 00:40:52.800
<v Speaker 1>get a warrant to search the apartment that the garage.

853
00:40:52.519 --> 00:40:56.440
<v Speaker 2>The garage apartment. Oh okay, that's good, that's good.

854
00:40:56.639 --> 00:41:00.000
<v Speaker 1>So inside their apartment, suite or whatever. In the garage

855
00:41:00.320 --> 00:41:03.920
<v Speaker 1>they found a lot of personal effects belonging to the Hawks,

856
00:41:04.559 --> 00:41:12.239
<v Speaker 1>like cameras, laptops, and even identification from their wallets. Jackie's

857
00:41:12.280 --> 00:41:17.280
<v Speaker 1>identification was an older photo on her driver's license where

858
00:41:17.320 --> 00:41:20.519
<v Speaker 1>she still had her long, brown, curly hair.

859
00:41:24.039 --> 00:41:28.960
<v Speaker 2>Okay, but that doesn't make sense of why the notary

860
00:41:29.000 --> 00:41:33.840
<v Speaker 2>would be describing it wrong, does it not?

861
00:41:33.920 --> 00:41:36.599
<v Speaker 1>If the notary wasn't actually there, but she was describing

862
00:41:36.639 --> 00:41:38.559
<v Speaker 1>them based off their ideas.

863
00:41:38.159 --> 00:41:39.719
<v Speaker 2>That she saw off the identification.

864
00:41:40.159 --> 00:41:40.480
<v Speaker 1>Yep.

865
00:41:42.239 --> 00:41:48.320
<v Speaker 2>Interesting, But the notary needed to have been there in person.

866
00:41:48.039 --> 00:41:56.559
<v Speaker 1>Problem legally yes? Oh shit, so now it's like someone else.

867
00:41:56.800 --> 00:41:59.039
<v Speaker 2>They're fucked I don't even.

868
00:41:58.840 --> 00:42:01.000
<v Speaker 1>Know how to like go on talking about this without

869
00:42:01.000 --> 00:42:03.880
<v Speaker 1>giving too much stuff. Every thought up, Oh they done

870
00:42:03.920 --> 00:42:04.480
<v Speaker 1>did fucked up?

871
00:42:04.559 --> 00:42:05.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? I don't like them.

872
00:42:06.119 --> 00:42:12.679
<v Speaker 1>No, So even though they still don't have a story,

873
00:42:12.719 --> 00:42:15.760
<v Speaker 1>this does show involvement. But even still, could it be

874
00:42:15.880 --> 00:42:19.239
<v Speaker 1>just Skyler? What about Jennifer? Was she an accomplice in

875
00:42:19.400 --> 00:42:21.719
<v Speaker 1>something whatever that's happening here?

876
00:42:22.679 --> 00:42:23.280
<v Speaker 2>Yes she is.

877
00:42:24.199 --> 00:42:26.559
<v Speaker 1>Well, they do have video surveillance at a bank that

878
00:42:26.599 --> 00:42:30.480
<v Speaker 1>shows both Skyler and Jennifer trying to withdraw money from

879
00:42:30.480 --> 00:42:34.119
<v Speaker 1>the Hawk's bank account. What the frig said, power of

880
00:42:34.159 --> 00:42:39.039
<v Speaker 1>attorney paperwork showing that she was just as involved. She's

881
00:42:39.079 --> 00:42:40.760
<v Speaker 1>got a big shit eating grin on her face the

882
00:42:40.760 --> 00:42:41.559
<v Speaker 1>whole time she's in.

883
00:42:41.519 --> 00:42:44.360
<v Speaker 2>That bank is involved.

884
00:42:45.000 --> 00:42:48.159
<v Speaker 1>Thankfully, though the transaction actually was declined, the bank manager

885
00:42:48.239 --> 00:42:52.719
<v Speaker 1>knew the Hawks good and though they had legitimate paperwork,

886
00:42:52.760 --> 00:42:55.719
<v Speaker 1>They're like, we need to verify this before we can

887
00:42:55.760 --> 00:42:58.039
<v Speaker 1>make any sort of transaction, which is good.

888
00:42:58.079 --> 00:43:00.920
<v Speaker 2>But technically that bank manager could have just giving it out.

889
00:43:01.000 --> 00:43:05.000
<v Speaker 1>Eh, technically I think yeah, yeah, signature's fingerprints everything, they're there.

890
00:43:05.119 --> 00:43:05.440
<v Speaker 2>Wow.

891
00:43:05.559 --> 00:43:08.559
<v Speaker 1>So they wanted to validate it first, and that stopped

892
00:43:08.559 --> 00:43:09.800
<v Speaker 1>them from getting the money.

893
00:43:09.599 --> 00:43:12.159
<v Speaker 2>Because one hundred percent I think Jennifer is involved because

894
00:43:12.199 --> 00:43:15.800
<v Speaker 2>she went initially mm hmm, and she dang well knew

895
00:43:15.840 --> 00:43:18.239
<v Speaker 2>that they had not half a million dollars for this boat.

896
00:43:18.440 --> 00:43:20.639
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, and she's trying to withdraw a half a

897
00:43:20.719 --> 00:43:21.920
<v Speaker 1>million dollars from their account.

898
00:43:21.920 --> 00:43:22.480
<v Speaker 2>There you go.

899
00:43:23.079 --> 00:43:26.840
<v Speaker 1>So again, investigators keep digging into anything they could, and

900
00:43:26.920 --> 00:43:30.679
<v Speaker 1>eventually they had someone recommend something. One of the investigators

901
00:43:30.719 --> 00:43:32.719
<v Speaker 1>was just at a loss and he was talking to

902
00:43:32.760 --> 00:43:38.199
<v Speaker 1>a boating buddy, and he said, he's like, you know, boating.

903
00:43:38.480 --> 00:43:40.559
<v Speaker 1>He's like, we're trying to figure out if there was

904
00:43:40.599 --> 00:43:44.039
<v Speaker 1>a murder on board this ship, this yacht, if there

905
00:43:44.039 --> 00:43:46.119
<v Speaker 1>was a murder or something amiss, what's something that I

906
00:43:46.119 --> 00:43:50.079
<v Speaker 1>should look for, you know, boating tell me sort of thing, right, okay,

907
00:43:51.239 --> 00:43:54.079
<v Speaker 1>And the guy said, without even skipping a beat, immediately

908
00:43:54.679 --> 00:43:56.000
<v Speaker 1>look for a missing anchor.

909
00:43:57.000 --> 00:44:01.079
<v Speaker 2>Oh oh, oh, that's good.

910
00:44:01.199 --> 00:44:04.599
<v Speaker 1>Actually, So they go back and in all of the

911
00:44:04.599 --> 00:44:08.840
<v Speaker 1>photos of the Well Deserved on the front bow of

912
00:44:08.840 --> 00:44:12.320
<v Speaker 1>the boat, there are two anchors. There are one for

913
00:44:12.400 --> 00:44:16.280
<v Speaker 1>each side of the front of the boat. Okay, they

914
00:44:16.280 --> 00:44:19.239
<v Speaker 1>go to the ad in the magazine, all the home

915
00:44:19.360 --> 00:44:22.239
<v Speaker 1>videos footage that they took, there's two anchors. They go

916
00:44:22.320 --> 00:44:25.800
<v Speaker 1>back to the boat, there's one anchor on.

917
00:44:25.760 --> 00:44:32.039
<v Speaker 2>The NOA, No, okay, I'm sure they can lie through

918
00:44:32.079 --> 00:44:32.480
<v Speaker 2>that though.

919
00:44:33.119 --> 00:44:34.840
<v Speaker 1>Well, yeah, it doesn't really mean a.

920
00:44:34.760 --> 00:44:38.559
<v Speaker 2>Lot necessarily potentially falling off. It could.

921
00:44:38.760 --> 00:44:42.400
<v Speaker 1>It's all circumstantial evidence. Yeah, there's nothing that really ties

922
00:44:42.480 --> 00:44:44.800
<v Speaker 1>all this together because I mean even the stuff in

923
00:44:44.840 --> 00:44:46.639
<v Speaker 1>their apartment. Yeah, we bought the boat. It was stuff

924
00:44:46.639 --> 00:44:47.280
<v Speaker 1>they left behind.

925
00:44:48.039 --> 00:44:50.760
<v Speaker 2>Prove it, prove it, prove it it's not And why

926
00:44:50.760 --> 00:44:54.559
<v Speaker 2>wouldn't they use two anchors, one for each body. They're

927
00:44:54.559 --> 00:44:56.960
<v Speaker 2>just going to tie the garbage banks to one anchor.

928
00:44:57.559 --> 00:45:00.760
<v Speaker 1>Who knows. So they literally don't have smoking gun though

929
00:45:00.760 --> 00:45:03.320
<v Speaker 1>there's no bodies, there's no blood, there's no murder weapons,

930
00:45:03.320 --> 00:45:06.199
<v Speaker 1>there's nothing. It's just people are missing. You have some

931
00:45:06.280 --> 00:45:09.079
<v Speaker 1>of their possessions and.

932
00:45:08.199 --> 00:45:10.400
<v Speaker 2>That's it, and they just probably have a gut feeling.

933
00:45:10.559 --> 00:45:13.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and legal documentation that they now.

934
00:45:12.920 --> 00:45:15.599
<v Speaker 2>Have power over their money, which is why.

935
00:45:15.880 --> 00:45:20.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, investigators began looking for confession. It's the only way

936
00:45:20.039 --> 00:45:22.280
<v Speaker 1>that they're going to get anything out of this. It's

937
00:45:22.519 --> 00:45:25.000
<v Speaker 1>there at a brick wall a dead end. Confession is

938
00:45:25.000 --> 00:45:26.519
<v Speaker 1>the only way anything's going.

939
00:45:26.440 --> 00:45:28.760
<v Speaker 2>To happen, because trying to find the bodies too would

940
00:45:28.800 --> 00:45:30.639
<v Speaker 2>just be like in the ocean, would be like a

941
00:45:30.679 --> 00:45:35.840
<v Speaker 2>needle and a paystick. Oh harder than that, yeah, worse.

942
00:45:37.159 --> 00:45:41.480
<v Speaker 1>Everyone that they could. They tried to interrogate, tried to question,

943
00:45:41.679 --> 00:45:48.960
<v Speaker 1>and everyone held their story. Skyler, Jennifer, the notary, everyone

944
00:45:49.360 --> 00:45:52.639
<v Speaker 1>held the same story. Nope, this is what happened. They

945
00:45:52.679 --> 00:45:56.199
<v Speaker 1>purchased it in cash. They have the power of attorney.

946
00:45:56.599 --> 00:45:58.280
<v Speaker 2>Don't know where they are, which is impressive.

947
00:46:01.000 --> 00:46:04.800
<v Speaker 1>Until one person was brought in for questioning the attorney.

948
00:46:05.360 --> 00:46:09.840
<v Speaker 2>The attorney, oh, the accountant, the accountants.

949
00:46:09.880 --> 00:46:11.480
<v Speaker 1>Well, yes, there were two men on board.

950
00:46:11.519 --> 00:46:18.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah you are Tim Hank, Mary Sue.

951
00:46:21.440 --> 00:46:22.760
<v Speaker 1>Oh I damn it.

952
00:46:22.800 --> 00:46:24.559
<v Speaker 2>Oh you got far too excited there.

953
00:46:24.599 --> 00:46:28.239
<v Speaker 1>I did push buttons on a tablet. Where am I? Now?

954
00:46:28.800 --> 00:46:32.119
<v Speaker 2>So the one of the two men that were joining Skyler?

955
00:46:32.719 --> 00:46:36.519
<v Speaker 1>Yes, okay, but the question is like, who are they right? Well, yeah,

956
00:46:36.239 --> 00:46:38.039
<v Speaker 1>there's no evidence pointing and.

957
00:46:38.119 --> 00:46:42.199
<v Speaker 2>One of them probably isn't even an accountant. Well yeah, exactly,

958
00:46:42.480 --> 00:46:43.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah that was a lie.

959
00:46:44.960 --> 00:46:49.360
<v Speaker 1>So how they got hold of one of those two men?

960
00:46:50.519 --> 00:46:52.960
<v Speaker 1>He was staring him in the face all along. One

961
00:46:52.960 --> 00:46:55.599
<v Speaker 1>of those men was a witness on the power of

962
00:46:55.599 --> 00:47:00.840
<v Speaker 1>attorney that was signed. That man was Alonso Shane a

963
00:47:01.000 --> 00:47:05.840
<v Speaker 1>chain he signed his name on that document. The match

964
00:47:05.840 --> 00:47:08.320
<v Speaker 1>to track him down and brought him in for questioning,

965
00:47:09.119 --> 00:47:12.760
<v Speaker 1>and Alonso decided he was gonna do the right thing,

966
00:47:13.320 --> 00:47:20.800
<v Speaker 1>and he told investigators everything. Oh he spilled the proverbial beans.

967
00:47:21.480 --> 00:47:23.800
<v Speaker 2>Wow, that easy? Eh?

968
00:47:24.000 --> 00:47:25.599
<v Speaker 1>That easy? Well, I mean there was a little bit

969
00:47:25.639 --> 00:47:29.320
<v Speaker 1>more than that. Initially, It basically it breaks down to

970
00:47:29.360 --> 00:47:31.880
<v Speaker 1>he tried to run to Mexico. He did escape into Mexico,

971
00:47:32.400 --> 00:47:34.559
<v Speaker 1>and then investigators I got a hold of them and

972
00:47:34.599 --> 00:47:35.920
<v Speaker 1>they were like, you know, like if you talk to

973
00:47:36.000 --> 00:47:38.880
<v Speaker 1>us and you confess whatever, blah blah, will reduce your sentencing.

974
00:47:38.920 --> 00:47:41.039
<v Speaker 1>And then anyways, he did come in for questioning. He

975
00:47:41.039 --> 00:47:42.519
<v Speaker 1>decided to do the right thing. So it's a little

976
00:47:42.519 --> 00:47:44.599
<v Speaker 1>bit more complicated than that. But it's like, well, I

977
00:47:44.719 --> 00:47:45.800
<v Speaker 1>just sa necessary.

978
00:47:46.719 --> 00:47:52.639
<v Speaker 2>He's the motherfucker that needed the toms, you think, So, yeah,

979
00:47:52.800 --> 00:47:56.039
<v Speaker 2>he probably had an upset stomach ache from all this shit.

980
00:47:56.280 --> 00:47:58.159
<v Speaker 1>Well I'm gonna I'm gonna tell you now. They never

981
00:47:58.280 --> 00:48:02.039
<v Speaker 1>ended up using any of that stuff that was purchased,

982
00:48:02.639 --> 00:48:05.960
<v Speaker 1>and it was actually Jennifer's dad who purchased those things.

983
00:48:08.280 --> 00:48:10.519
<v Speaker 1>So I'm pretty sure it's kind of that was kind

984
00:48:10.519 --> 00:48:11.119
<v Speaker 1>of a dead end.

985
00:48:11.920 --> 00:48:12.840
<v Speaker 2>That's not very fun.

986
00:48:13.599 --> 00:48:16.400
<v Speaker 1>They learned that, Okay, that stuff was purchased by Jennifer's dad.

987
00:48:16.920 --> 00:48:19.239
<v Speaker 1>They have security footage of it at a hardware store

988
00:48:20.000 --> 00:48:22.679
<v Speaker 1>or whatever store. But why was that receipt on board?

989
00:48:23.079 --> 00:48:25.639
<v Speaker 2>Well, why did Jennifer's dad purchase those things? Was he

990
00:48:25.719 --> 00:48:26.440
<v Speaker 2>murdering someone?

991
00:48:26.559 --> 00:48:28.840
<v Speaker 1>Well, they just like, oh, it's just a shopping list.

992
00:48:29.400 --> 00:48:30.719
<v Speaker 2>There's so that.

993
00:48:30.880 --> 00:48:32.159
<v Speaker 1>That's kind of the end of that. There's no more

994
00:48:32.199 --> 00:48:33.880
<v Speaker 1>information on that. It's just a shopping list.

995
00:48:34.280 --> 00:48:36.320
<v Speaker 2>Hopefully you never come home with that kind of shopping

996
00:48:36.360 --> 00:48:37.960
<v Speaker 2>list because then I feel like I'm fucked.

997
00:48:38.880 --> 00:48:44.000
<v Speaker 1>No kidding, but yeah, clearly I think there was intent there,

998
00:48:44.599 --> 00:48:48.119
<v Speaker 1>but I think plans changed, and this is what actually

999
00:48:48.239 --> 00:48:51.360
<v Speaker 1>did happen. This is what the plan was. The plan

1000
00:48:51.639 --> 00:48:56.880
<v Speaker 1>was to set out an open water with Alonso and

1001
00:48:56.960 --> 00:48:59.400
<v Speaker 1>another man who was the accountant and I shit you not.

1002
00:48:59.639 --> 00:49:05.800
<v Speaker 1>His name is John f Kennedy. John Fitzgerald Kennedy. Okay,

1003
00:49:05.840 --> 00:49:08.000
<v Speaker 1>he was a big guy and he was a notorious

1004
00:49:08.320 --> 00:49:09.000
<v Speaker 1>gang member.

1005
00:49:09.519 --> 00:49:10.960
<v Speaker 2>Oh that's so scary.

1006
00:49:11.800 --> 00:49:14.400
<v Speaker 1>So these two men and Skyler went on board and

1007
00:49:14.480 --> 00:49:18.119
<v Speaker 1>hit the open water. The plan is going to be

1008
00:49:18.760 --> 00:49:21.880
<v Speaker 1>that John or JFK I'm going to call him. JFK

1009
00:49:23.480 --> 00:49:25.679
<v Speaker 1>is going to fake see sickness when they're on the

1010
00:49:25.679 --> 00:49:28.480
<v Speaker 1>open water, and he's going to head down to one

1011
00:49:28.519 --> 00:49:32.239
<v Speaker 1>of the lower decks on the boat. Now, once below,

1012
00:49:32.360 --> 00:49:35.000
<v Speaker 1>he's going to wait for Thomas to follow and check

1013
00:49:35.039 --> 00:49:35.519
<v Speaker 1>on him.

1014
00:49:35.639 --> 00:49:40.639
<v Speaker 2>Oh, because Thomas is a nice guy exactly, So that's

1015
00:49:40.679 --> 00:49:41.159
<v Speaker 2>what he did.

1016
00:49:41.519 --> 00:49:43.599
<v Speaker 1>He's down below and he waited.

1017
00:49:44.719 --> 00:49:44.960
<v Speaker 2>Shit.

1018
00:49:45.559 --> 00:49:49.960
<v Speaker 1>Sure enough, not long after, Thomas followed down to check

1019
00:49:50.000 --> 00:49:52.599
<v Speaker 1>on him and see if he's okay, and right behind

1020
00:49:52.639 --> 00:50:00.519
<v Speaker 1>him followed Skyler. Peke Skyler and JFK jumped Thomas and

1021
00:50:00.880 --> 00:50:04.840
<v Speaker 1>tackled him to the ground and using a taser, subdued him.

1022
00:50:06.239 --> 00:50:11.320
<v Speaker 1>Now that leaves I don't like that. Alonzo and Jackie Deck.

1023
00:50:12.000 --> 00:50:15.280
<v Speaker 1>Jackie heard the commotion down below. Shit, and that commotion

1024
00:50:16.079 --> 00:50:19.199
<v Speaker 1>was the sign for a Lonzo to take control of

1025
00:50:19.239 --> 00:50:22.800
<v Speaker 1>her using a taser as well. Wow, so now he

1026
00:50:22.920 --> 00:50:25.679
<v Speaker 1>subdued her and handcuffed her.

1027
00:50:26.920 --> 00:50:29.039
<v Speaker 2>See, I hate this, and they're freaking the middle of

1028
00:50:28.719 --> 00:50:31.440
<v Speaker 2>the goddamn ocean. This is why I'm not ever going

1029
00:50:31.480 --> 00:50:31.960
<v Speaker 2>in the ocean.

1030
00:50:32.599 --> 00:50:35.679
<v Speaker 1>This is why this is the reason specifically, So I

1031
00:50:35.679 --> 00:50:37.119
<v Speaker 1>don't get tased in handcuffed.

1032
00:50:37.199 --> 00:50:39.119
<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, and then you you're fucked.

1033
00:50:39.280 --> 00:50:41.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, if you ever go in the ocean, you're gonna

1034
00:50:41.800 --> 00:50:44.920
<v Speaker 1>get You're you're gonna get jumped by JFK. That's your fear.

1035
00:50:45.159 --> 00:50:49.000
<v Speaker 1>That is a fear and a half JFK specifically.

1036
00:50:49.199 --> 00:50:52.400
<v Speaker 2>Holy, Okay, So this okay. So they're both basically like

1037
00:50:52.559 --> 00:50:54.360
<v Speaker 2>subdued and tasered yep.

1038
00:50:54.440 --> 00:50:57.880
<v Speaker 1>And Jackie's handcuffed and she's handcuffed. I'm assuming too something

1039
00:50:58.360 --> 00:51:01.400
<v Speaker 1>because a Lonzo is ordered by Skyler to go to

1040
00:51:01.440 --> 00:51:04.719
<v Speaker 1>the engine room and get duct tape, and from there

1041
00:51:05.360 --> 00:51:08.119
<v Speaker 1>they duct tape both of them. They bind them. They're

1042
00:51:08.119 --> 00:51:10.880
<v Speaker 1>buying their hands and their legs enough that they can

1043
00:51:10.960 --> 00:51:13.800
<v Speaker 1>just walk a little bit, but they're duct tape up tight,

1044
00:51:14.360 --> 00:51:16.880
<v Speaker 1>including across their eyes and mouth.

1045
00:51:18.000 --> 00:51:19.480
<v Speaker 2>I just hate that visual.

1046
00:51:21.760 --> 00:51:23.599
<v Speaker 1>So once they were bound, they were placed on the

1047
00:51:23.599 --> 00:51:27.199
<v Speaker 1>bed and then Skyler went to the GPS on board

1048
00:51:27.199 --> 00:51:29.800
<v Speaker 1>the boat and put in coordinates for the deepest part

1049
00:51:30.119 --> 00:51:34.880
<v Speaker 1>of the nearby ocean at Catalina Island. Of course, then

1050
00:51:35.880 --> 00:51:38.119
<v Speaker 1>the Hawks were one at a time, led to the

1051
00:51:38.199 --> 00:51:41.840
<v Speaker 1>kitchen and were forced to sign the power of attorney

1052
00:51:42.840 --> 00:51:45.480
<v Speaker 1>they were told if they did, they would get to live,

1053
00:51:45.599 --> 00:51:48.119
<v Speaker 1>and if they didn't, they would be killed right then

1054
00:51:48.159 --> 00:51:48.519
<v Speaker 1>and there.

1055
00:51:48.840 --> 00:51:51.159
<v Speaker 2>Oh guaranteed you'd get killed either way.

1056
00:51:51.280 --> 00:51:54.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So both Jackie and Thomas signed the power of attorney.

1057
00:51:55.199 --> 00:51:57.960
<v Speaker 2>Yep, I mean you have to, really, what else would

1058
00:51:57.960 --> 00:51:58.199
<v Speaker 2>you do?

1059
00:51:58.440 --> 00:52:02.239
<v Speaker 1>One really cool thing. I'm gonna say here. Jackie is

1060
00:52:02.239 --> 00:52:04.159
<v Speaker 1>our badass of the day for this is she What

1061
00:52:04.199 --> 00:52:07.880
<v Speaker 1>did she do while signing the power of attorney? I said,

1062
00:52:07.960 --> 00:52:11.119
<v Speaker 1>everything on its legit right, Yeah, fingerprints did something?

1063
00:52:11.159 --> 00:52:11.800
<v Speaker 2>What did she do?

1064
00:52:12.159 --> 00:52:14.199
<v Speaker 1>Not? Everything was legit?

1065
00:52:14.519 --> 00:52:15.239
<v Speaker 2>What did she do?

1066
00:52:15.320 --> 00:52:19.280
<v Speaker 1>Their last name is hawks h A W K S. Okay,

1067
00:52:20.679 --> 00:52:23.880
<v Speaker 1>she didn't sign her full name. She signed Jackie Hawk,

1068
00:52:26.880 --> 00:52:34.639
<v Speaker 1>signaling something wasn't right. So investigators, handwriting experts all that

1069
00:52:34.719 --> 00:52:38.280
<v Speaker 1>could see that the S was forged. So they believe

1070
00:52:38.440 --> 00:52:42.760
<v Speaker 1>Jackie was trying to signal someone that this is a

1071
00:52:42.760 --> 00:52:44.000
<v Speaker 1>whole fucked up situation.

1072
00:52:44.960 --> 00:52:49.360
<v Speaker 2>Seriously, But then these people added the S after they

1073
00:52:49.360 --> 00:52:55.440
<v Speaker 2>did Really, yep, that's interesting, okay, I do I find

1074
00:52:55.440 --> 00:52:58.119
<v Speaker 2>that actually interesting that they would have noticed that I

1075
00:52:58.199 --> 00:53:01.760
<v Speaker 2>do too and added it like I actually almost like wow.

1076
00:53:02.079 --> 00:53:04.039
<v Speaker 2>So huh.

1077
00:53:04.079 --> 00:53:07.239
<v Speaker 1>Once they arrived at the destination that was put into

1078
00:53:07.239 --> 00:53:10.639
<v Speaker 1>the GPS the deepest sea, Thomas and Jackie were led

1079
00:53:10.679 --> 00:53:12.880
<v Speaker 1>to the deck of the boat, still bound with duct

1080
00:53:12.880 --> 00:53:16.719
<v Speaker 1>tape no where. Skyler dragged the chain from the anchor

1081
00:53:16.960 --> 00:53:20.960
<v Speaker 1>across the deck of their beloved Well Deserved and began

1082
00:53:21.039 --> 00:53:23.920
<v Speaker 1>to secure both of them to the chain with rope.

1083
00:53:24.119 --> 00:53:26.639
<v Speaker 2>Shit, did he at least kill them first? I don't

1084
00:53:26.639 --> 00:53:27.559
<v Speaker 2>know what would be better.

1085
00:53:28.599 --> 00:53:32.880
<v Speaker 1>The entire time Jackie was begging, saying, please, well, kill us,

1086
00:53:33.119 --> 00:53:35.320
<v Speaker 1>I want to see my grandson one more time.

1087
00:53:35.440 --> 00:53:37.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because you guys are fucking assholes.

1088
00:53:38.679 --> 00:53:41.159
<v Speaker 1>And the entire time Thomas was just trying to calm

1089
00:53:41.199 --> 00:53:42.400
<v Speaker 1>her down, keep her crying.

1090
00:53:42.480 --> 00:53:45.280
<v Speaker 2>Oh no, and.

1091
00:53:45.199 --> 00:53:48.480
<v Speaker 1>Thomas reassured her. And this is a quote from Alonso.

1092
00:53:48.800 --> 00:53:52.000
<v Speaker 1>He said that Thomas was telling her this at least

1093
00:53:52.039 --> 00:53:52.840
<v Speaker 1>will be together.

1094
00:53:53.840 --> 00:53:59.480
<v Speaker 2>Oh no, like ouch, oh my freaking heart, it just hurts.

1095
00:54:00.480 --> 00:54:07.239
<v Speaker 1>So then it hurts. Skuyler, without even any remorse, threw

1096
00:54:07.320 --> 00:54:12.119
<v Speaker 1>the anchor overboard, the chain quickly dragging across the deck

1097
00:54:12.199 --> 00:54:15.559
<v Speaker 1>as it sank, and Thomas and Jackie hawk waited their

1098
00:54:15.639 --> 00:54:18.519
<v Speaker 1>last moments above water as they heard the frantic clanking

1099
00:54:18.519 --> 00:54:22.840
<v Speaker 1>of the chain rushing off the deck before it finally

1100
00:54:22.920 --> 00:54:25.760
<v Speaker 1>grabbed their bounds. And slung them off the boat into

1101
00:54:25.800 --> 00:54:31.239
<v Speaker 1>the cold water. There thirty six hundred feet down to

1102
00:54:31.280 --> 00:54:35.320
<v Speaker 1>the bottom of the ocean, Thomas and Jackie Hawk met

1103
00:54:35.320 --> 00:54:38.719
<v Speaker 1>their grave and to this day their bodies have never

1104
00:54:38.800 --> 00:54:39.440
<v Speaker 1>been recovered.

1105
00:54:41.880 --> 00:54:45.920
<v Speaker 2>Oh no, I was just like, that's some Titanic shit

1106
00:54:46.039 --> 00:54:51.239
<v Speaker 2>right there. Yeah, that's freaking sad. They didn't kill them first.

1107
00:54:51.320 --> 00:54:54.119
<v Speaker 1>It didn't kill them first, they just thw And a

1108
00:54:54.119 --> 00:54:56.199
<v Speaker 1>little morbid fact about drowning for.

1109
00:54:56.079 --> 00:54:58.599
<v Speaker 2>You, Oh, I really really really don't know if.

1110
00:54:58.480 --> 00:55:02.559
<v Speaker 1>I want to know, can take up to ten minutes

1111
00:55:02.559 --> 00:55:07.559
<v Speaker 1>before a person is clinically clinically dead. The average person

1112
00:55:07.559 --> 00:55:11.000
<v Speaker 1>can hold their breath for about thirty seconds after the

1113
00:55:11.039 --> 00:55:13.880
<v Speaker 1>body's reflexes kicks in. It tries to breathe, and you

1114
00:55:13.920 --> 00:55:19.079
<v Speaker 1>inhale water and can remain conscious inhaling, gasping, choking, Your

1115
00:55:19.079 --> 00:55:22.079
<v Speaker 1>throat closes off to try and keep water out for

1116
00:55:22.199 --> 00:55:24.119
<v Speaker 1>up to two minutes before you pass out.

1117
00:55:24.480 --> 00:55:27.599
<v Speaker 2>Thanks, thanks for that shit.

1118
00:55:27.880 --> 00:55:30.039
<v Speaker 1>Welcome. It's not a true crime podcast if I don't

1119
00:55:30.039 --> 00:55:32.599
<v Speaker 1>put in the facts like that brutal.

1120
00:55:33.239 --> 00:55:36.039
<v Speaker 2>So you're like struggling for a long fucking time.

1121
00:55:35.920 --> 00:55:40.840
<v Speaker 1>And imagine being like in that situation where you're frantic

1122
00:55:40.920 --> 00:55:44.599
<v Speaker 1>and like Jackie's bawling. Imagine trying to hold your breath

1123
00:55:44.599 --> 00:55:47.000
<v Speaker 1>while your anxiety is that high and your.

1124
00:55:46.960 --> 00:55:49.360
<v Speaker 2>Ball Oh and you probably have like ten seconds.

1125
00:55:49.559 --> 00:55:51.840
<v Speaker 1>I doubt she even could have held a breath at all.

1126
00:55:52.000 --> 00:55:58.360
<v Speaker 2>Oh no, okay, well, what was the point of all this? Like,

1127
00:55:58.400 --> 00:55:59.119
<v Speaker 2>what the hell?

1128
00:56:00.159 --> 00:56:04.440
<v Speaker 1>Well? Skyler, Alonzo and JFK and Jennifer were all arrested

1129
00:56:04.519 --> 00:56:08.039
<v Speaker 1>and they were put on trial. While in jail, Skyler,

1130
00:56:08.079 --> 00:56:10.400
<v Speaker 1>as it turns out, was a suspect for a previous

1131
00:56:10.480 --> 00:56:14.039
<v Speaker 1>murder in Mexico and was being investigated for a third

1132
00:56:14.159 --> 00:56:17.079
<v Speaker 1>murder where a man by the name of John Jarviy

1133
00:56:17.199 --> 00:56:22.840
<v Speaker 1>died and had his throat cut. While in prison, Skyler

1134
00:56:22.960 --> 00:56:27.360
<v Speaker 1>actually revealed that a gender reassignment surgery was a high

1135
00:56:27.400 --> 00:56:32.360
<v Speaker 1>on their priority list for him. That was the motive

1136
00:56:33.039 --> 00:56:36.760
<v Speaker 1>money for a reassignment. Skyler had a surgery booked for

1137
00:56:36.840 --> 00:56:40.320
<v Speaker 1>two weeks after the disappearance of the Hawks and would

1138
00:56:40.320 --> 00:56:43.199
<v Speaker 1>have cost seventeen thousand dollars, but they didn't have the money.

1139
00:56:44.800 --> 00:56:46.960
<v Speaker 2>Okay, what do you mean? I'm confused? Like he wanted

1140
00:56:46.960 --> 00:56:49.880
<v Speaker 2>to change his gender so that he could get away

1141
00:56:49.960 --> 00:56:51.280
<v Speaker 2>with the crimes.

1142
00:56:51.840 --> 00:56:58.800
<v Speaker 1>No, Schylar used to go by he and I didn't

1143
00:56:58.800 --> 00:57:02.039
<v Speaker 1>tell you about this because I didn't want to. It

1144
00:57:02.039 --> 00:57:04.840
<v Speaker 1>would have messed up the story, the confusion. Yes, and

1145
00:57:04.880 --> 00:57:06.639
<v Speaker 1>it's the motive I wouldn't want to tell you that.

1146
00:57:06.679 --> 00:57:09.840
<v Speaker 1>So Skyler actually doesn't go by he. Skyler is now she.

1147
00:57:10.559 --> 00:57:12.360
<v Speaker 1>Skyler is she. So we are going to refer to

1148
00:57:12.400 --> 00:57:15.920
<v Speaker 1>Skyler as she from here on out. Okay. I did

1149
00:57:16.039 --> 00:57:17.760
<v Speaker 1>know that the whole time through, and I tried to

1150
00:57:17.880 --> 00:57:20.719
<v Speaker 1>do my best to say he, but and I don't

1151
00:57:20.719 --> 00:57:22.280
<v Speaker 1>want to. I just want to point this out. I'm

1152
00:57:22.280 --> 00:57:24.920
<v Speaker 1>not going to refer to Skyler as she to respect Skyler,

1153
00:57:25.320 --> 00:57:28.719
<v Speaker 1>Fuck Skyler. I'm going to refer to Skyler as she

1154
00:57:28.800 --> 00:57:30.800
<v Speaker 1>to respect the people out there who are struggling with

1155
00:57:30.840 --> 00:57:34.960
<v Speaker 1>transgender and to support them, just saying.

1156
00:57:35.800 --> 00:57:42.800
<v Speaker 2>So she's with Jennifer and Jennifer was pregnant, right, yes, Okay.

1157
00:57:43.639 --> 00:57:47.320
<v Speaker 1>So while in prison, Skyler was actually so desperate that

1158
00:57:47.400 --> 00:57:54.480
<v Speaker 1>she tried to cut off her own manhood that I'm

1159
00:57:54.519 --> 00:57:56.400
<v Speaker 1>sure it would feel pretty bad, especially when it was

1160
00:57:56.400 --> 00:57:57.400
<v Speaker 1>with a razor blade.

1161
00:57:57.920 --> 00:57:58.599
<v Speaker 2>Oh shit.

1162
00:58:00.840 --> 00:58:06.119
<v Speaker 1>Oh so this is an angering part. Actually, because of this,

1163
00:58:06.599 --> 00:58:10.880
<v Speaker 1>taxpayers have now actually paid for the surgery. Skyler has

1164
00:58:10.920 --> 00:58:14.880
<v Speaker 1>now gone through the transition through taxpayers money while in

1165
00:58:14.960 --> 00:58:17.599
<v Speaker 1>jail because of this and because of like the mental

1166
00:58:17.599 --> 00:58:21.360
<v Speaker 1>health issues and their current state. So that kind of

1167
00:58:21.360 --> 00:58:24.199
<v Speaker 1>fucking pisses me off because there's people who like deserve

1168
00:58:24.239 --> 00:58:26.480
<v Speaker 1>it or earn it, where Skylar fucking.

1169
00:58:26.519 --> 00:58:27.440
<v Speaker 2>Just got it handed.

1170
00:58:28.199 --> 00:58:31.800
<v Speaker 1>So I'm trying to go through this pretty quick. We're

1171
00:58:31.800 --> 00:58:32.679
<v Speaker 1>almost there, I know.

1172
00:58:32.719 --> 00:58:35.079
<v Speaker 2>Can I just say, like, oh, really quickly? So like

1173
00:58:35.360 --> 00:58:39.159
<v Speaker 2>they just saw these these people's ads ad and it

1174
00:58:39.199 --> 00:58:41.880
<v Speaker 2>probably was like they have money, and so they just

1175
00:58:41.920 --> 00:58:44.280
<v Speaker 2>like plan this whole thing out, yep.

1176
00:58:44.320 --> 00:58:46.679
<v Speaker 1>So they can get money, set out of debt, maybe

1177
00:58:46.920 --> 00:58:48.639
<v Speaker 1>have a boat they could live on, get out of

1178
00:58:48.639 --> 00:58:50.760
<v Speaker 1>the garage, and Skyler could get it get the surgery

1179
00:58:51.960 --> 00:58:53.320
<v Speaker 1>gender assignments.

1180
00:58:53.559 --> 00:58:55.119
<v Speaker 2>That is some wild motives.

1181
00:58:55.320 --> 00:59:00.159
<v Speaker 1>Okay, one little tidbit I didn't actually say, Actually I

1182
00:59:00.199 --> 00:59:02.199
<v Speaker 1>wasn't going to, but I'm going to now just to

1183
00:59:02.239 --> 00:59:05.920
<v Speaker 1>show how heartless Skyler was. On the way back from

1184
00:59:05.960 --> 00:59:10.159
<v Speaker 1>throwing Thomas and Jackie overboard, he was throwing their personal

1185
00:59:10.199 --> 00:59:12.440
<v Speaker 1>effects overboard anything he didn't want to keep, she didn't

1186
00:59:12.480 --> 00:59:15.480
<v Speaker 1>want to keep, sorry, and decided that it was a

1187
00:59:15.480 --> 00:59:17.960
<v Speaker 1>great time to fish on the way back.

1188
00:59:18.039 --> 00:59:21.199
<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, just sounds like a monster, Like an

1189
00:59:21.320 --> 00:59:24.480
<v Speaker 2>actual monster. Yes, that's so disgusting.

1190
00:59:24.960 --> 00:59:29.000
<v Speaker 1>So November seventeenth, two thousand and six, Jennifer was found

1191
00:59:29.039 --> 00:59:32.039
<v Speaker 1>guilty on two accounts of first degree murder and was

1192
00:59:32.079 --> 00:59:35.639
<v Speaker 1>sentenced to two life terms without the possibility of parole.

1193
00:59:36.119 --> 00:59:38.159
<v Speaker 2>Good fuck yeah, still in jail.

1194
00:59:38.199 --> 00:59:41.800
<v Speaker 1>I'm hoping without possibility of parole some yeah, oh.

1195
00:59:41.719 --> 00:59:44.480
<v Speaker 2>Without Oh yeah, see right away, I just assumed we're

1196
00:59:44.519 --> 00:59:47.519
<v Speaker 2>gonna be album like five ten years.

1197
00:59:48.119 --> 00:59:53.039
<v Speaker 1>February nineteenth, two thousand and nine, John Fitzgerald Kennedy aka

1198
00:59:53.280 --> 00:59:57.199
<v Speaker 1>JFK was found guilty on two accounts of first degree

1199
00:59:57.320 --> 01:00:01.800
<v Speaker 1>murder and on May one nine, was sentenced to death.

1200
01:00:02.599 --> 01:00:04.559
<v Speaker 1>Oh you got the death penalty.

1201
01:00:04.679 --> 01:00:07.000
<v Speaker 2>They still have the death penalty down there, I guess.

1202
01:00:07.000 --> 01:00:08.440
<v Speaker 2>So interesting.

1203
01:00:08.880 --> 01:00:11.320
<v Speaker 1>Alonzo mc chain, who was the one who told the

1204
01:00:11.360 --> 01:00:14.440
<v Speaker 1>whole story okay and was promised, you know, a reduced sentence.

1205
01:00:14.519 --> 01:00:16.079
<v Speaker 2>Well yeah, they probably had some sort.

1206
01:00:15.960 --> 01:00:19.559
<v Speaker 1>Of deal, yep, was given said lesser sentence for his

1207
01:00:19.639 --> 01:00:23.000
<v Speaker 1>cooperation and was and he pleaded guilty to two accounts

1208
01:00:23.320 --> 01:00:28.840
<v Speaker 1>of voluntary manslaughter, kidnapping, and robbery. On June fifteenth, two

1209
01:00:28.920 --> 01:00:31.400
<v Speaker 1>thousand and nine. He was sentenced to twenty years and

1210
01:00:31.519 --> 01:00:36.360
<v Speaker 1>four months. His first eligible for parole is September of

1211
01:00:36.519 --> 01:00:40.480
<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty one, so not very far away.

1212
01:00:40.920 --> 01:00:43.159
<v Speaker 2>So this could be in the news soon really yeap.

1213
01:00:44.360 --> 01:00:48.280
<v Speaker 1>On October twentieth, two thousand and eight, Skuylar Delhion was

1214
01:00:48.320 --> 01:00:51.840
<v Speaker 1>convicted of three accounts of first degree murder because remember

1215
01:00:51.920 --> 01:00:54.199
<v Speaker 1>there was that third oh that on trial four?

1216
01:00:54.360 --> 01:00:59.159
<v Speaker 2>Right? Like who else died? But yeah, I remember, with.

1217
01:00:59.159 --> 01:01:04.079
<v Speaker 1>Special circumstance, dances of financial gain and multiple victims. I'm

1218
01:01:04.079 --> 01:01:06.679
<v Speaker 1>gonna read that sentence again because I totally boy, I

1219
01:01:06.679 --> 01:01:09.159
<v Speaker 1>got it. So Skyler jell yone was convicted of three

1220
01:01:09.199 --> 01:01:12.559
<v Speaker 1>accounts of first degree murder with special circumstances for financial

1221
01:01:12.599 --> 01:01:16.519
<v Speaker 1>gain and multiple victims, and on November sixth, two thousand

1222
01:01:16.519 --> 01:01:20.320
<v Speaker 1>and eight, the jury rendered a verdict. Skyler was found

1223
01:01:20.360 --> 01:01:22.719
<v Speaker 1>guilty and sentenced to death.

1224
01:01:22.840 --> 01:01:24.760
<v Speaker 2>Okay, I was like, if that other guy was sentenced,

1225
01:01:24.760 --> 01:01:28.840
<v Speaker 2>this one has to be. She does. Wow. Okay, so

1226
01:01:28.920 --> 01:01:29.920
<v Speaker 2>are they dead? I wonder?

1227
01:01:31.400 --> 01:01:35.199
<v Speaker 1>No, I didn't look that up. Shit, I should look

1228
01:01:35.239 --> 01:01:35.920
<v Speaker 1>that up right now.

1229
01:01:35.960 --> 01:01:36.920
<v Speaker 2>Okay, let's do it.

1230
01:01:37.239 --> 01:01:39.639
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna go on my phone here because it's faster

1231
01:01:39.760 --> 01:01:43.239
<v Speaker 1>than my tablet. Okay, let's see. Let's give it a.

1232
01:01:43.199 --> 01:01:46.320
<v Speaker 2>Quick Google because lots of times, even with like who

1233
01:01:46.480 --> 01:01:47.199
<v Speaker 2>just died again?

1234
01:01:48.559 --> 01:01:53.039
<v Speaker 1>Oh that's something I should have talked about the beginning, Yeah, Rodney, right,

1235
01:01:53.320 --> 01:01:54.159
<v Speaker 1>Rodney Alcala.

1236
01:01:54.400 --> 01:01:59.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and like honestly should have already had been executed, yeah,

1237
01:01:59.440 --> 01:02:00.280
<v Speaker 2>like law ago.

1238
01:02:00.800 --> 01:02:01.559
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

1239
01:02:01.599 --> 01:02:03.360
<v Speaker 2>So the fact that they just got to just die

1240
01:02:03.519 --> 01:02:06.840
<v Speaker 2>like natural or whatever causes is like, what the hell?

1241
01:02:07.920 --> 01:02:10.519
<v Speaker 1>So Skyler je Leone is still alive and is now

1242
01:02:10.599 --> 01:02:11.800
<v Speaker 1>at the age of forty.

1243
01:02:11.519 --> 01:02:16.000
<v Speaker 2>One, of course, why the hell is she not executed yet? Yeah,

1244
01:02:16.239 --> 01:02:18.199
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, Like it takes a long time. Ehe

1245
01:02:18.199 --> 01:02:20.159
<v Speaker 2>there must be like so many processes you have to

1246
01:02:20.159 --> 01:02:21.360
<v Speaker 2>go through or something for that.

1247
01:02:21.639 --> 01:02:23.719
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's a little ridiculous because, like you say, Rodney

1248
01:02:23.719 --> 01:02:25.480
<v Speaker 1>Alcala was on death row for how many years? Die

1249
01:02:25.599 --> 01:02:29.280
<v Speaker 1>natural causes? I mean, he should have been killed. He

1250
01:02:29.280 --> 01:02:31.760
<v Speaker 1>should have been gone from this world at least he's

1251
01:02:31.800 --> 01:02:36.440
<v Speaker 1>gone now. But now there's no like retribution for that family,

1252
01:02:36.639 --> 01:02:39.519
<v Speaker 1>you know, and who knows the same sort of thing

1253
01:02:39.519 --> 01:02:41.480
<v Speaker 1>could happen to Skyler. She could sit on death row

1254
01:02:41.679 --> 01:02:43.920
<v Speaker 1>for who knows how many years and die of natural cause.

1255
01:02:43.800 --> 01:02:48.239
<v Speaker 2>Which is sad because like those lovely people had children, Yeah,

1256
01:02:48.679 --> 01:02:52.800
<v Speaker 2>you know, like they left behind like oh, gosh, like,

1257
01:02:52.880 --> 01:02:56.880
<v Speaker 2>go spend time with their grandkid and that's just brutal.

1258
01:02:57.440 --> 01:03:03.039
<v Speaker 1>It's crazy. These people are trash scrawls. You trash, Jennifer,

1259
01:03:03.320 --> 01:03:06.440
<v Speaker 1>you trash. Alonso not as much a trash, but you

1260
01:03:06.480 --> 01:03:11.000
<v Speaker 1>still trash, still trash, and JFK you trash, trash all

1261
01:03:11.000 --> 01:03:16.079
<v Speaker 1>of them. You're nasty, You nasty, all right? That I

1262
01:03:16.079 --> 01:03:18.159
<v Speaker 1>think that's officially our longest episode you've ever done.

1263
01:03:18.360 --> 01:03:20.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but it was interesting. I mean, like I needed

1264
01:03:20.480 --> 01:03:21.760
<v Speaker 2>to know, I had like we had to.

1265
01:03:22.239 --> 01:03:24.480
<v Speaker 1>There was a lot of information. It was a big

1266
01:03:24.519 --> 01:03:28.239
<v Speaker 1>old spider web and tangle mess yep of stuff.

1267
01:03:28.639 --> 01:03:30.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I honestly just don't feel that great about it.

1268
01:03:31.519 --> 01:03:34.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's people like this make me sick.

1269
01:03:34.159 --> 01:03:38.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Like that's freaking sad. God, I don't think I'm

1270
01:03:38.320 --> 01:03:42.039
<v Speaker 2>going to sell my car in the newspaper. That shit's

1271
01:03:42.079 --> 01:03:43.760
<v Speaker 2>just getting traded in the dealership.

1272
01:03:44.119 --> 01:03:45.920
<v Speaker 1>If you do sell it in the driveway, you know,

1273
01:03:46.039 --> 01:03:48.960
<v Speaker 1>to privately or whatever like that, maybe just have a

1274
01:03:48.960 --> 01:03:51.880
<v Speaker 1>baseball bat at your side something.

1275
01:03:52.119 --> 01:03:55.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, all my wolf husky rim beside me?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, what was she going to do? Pet me?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Pet me? Love me?

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<v Speaker 1>All right, guys, thanks for sticking around for over an hour.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that was good and I.

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<v Speaker 1>Hope you enjoyed the episode, Babe, I hope you guys

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<v Speaker 1>enjoyed the episode.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks for listening everyone, man, stay wicked.