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Speaker 1: It is. We got something else coming down the pipe,
Speaker 1: which is really cool to announce.
Speaker 2: What's that bench?
Speaker 1: We actually had someone specifically request this actually as an episode.
Speaker 2: For what we're doing today.
Speaker 1: No, not the one we're doing today.
Speaker 2: Oh, sorry, the announcement. Sorry, yes, I get it.
Speaker 1: So we had someone, I think it was two days
Speaker 1: ago or yesterday, request that we do the Highways tiers
Speaker 1: as an episode.
Speaker 2: Yes, I saw that. Yep.
Speaker 1: What's really cool is we live, well, it's not really cool,
Speaker 1: but it's you'll where I'm going. High Way of Tears
Speaker 1: isn't cool, but we live right at the beginning of
Speaker 1: the Highway of Tears, which heads over to the west
Speaker 1: coast of Canada from our city. Prince George, Prince George
Speaker 1: to Prince Rupert, and that's a stretch of Highway. We
Speaker 1: are going to do an episode. We are already planning that.
Speaker 2: However, it's a little different of an episode.
Speaker 1: It's a way different of an episode, way different. We
Speaker 1: are doing a full length, one hour documentary. We got
Speaker 1: funding to produce a wicked and grim documentary and we
Speaker 1: are focusing on the Highway of Tears. So you are
Speaker 1: definitely going to get your episode for Highway of Tears.
Speaker 1: It might take a while, but it's going to be
Speaker 1: it's going to be a video. It's going to be
Speaker 1: a movie, yeah, which is so cool. We are stoked.
Speaker 2: Yeah, starring us.
Speaker 1: Staring us. I'm dreading diving into that one a little
Speaker 1: bit because it's done.
Speaker 2: Yeah, honestly, but I'm kind of excited because I it
Speaker 2: is so close to us, and I honestly don't know
Speaker 2: enough about it, so I I'm wanting to learn more.
Speaker 1: It is one of those ones that's kind of swept
Speaker 1: under the rug a lot too, which is kind of sad.
Speaker 1: So Yeah, Originally we're actually going to do a different
Speaker 1: documentary on another missing person's case, but the family got
Speaker 1: in contact with us and we're like, you know, we're
Speaker 1: not too sure if we want this documentary to go
Speaker 1: focus on it. So we're like, Okay, we're going to
Speaker 1: do the Highway of Tears, because before it was this
Speaker 1: missing person with the Highway of Tears undertone. Now we're
Speaker 1: going to do the Highway of Tears, and we are
Speaker 1: going to involve that missing person a little bit as well.
Speaker 1: So we are involving everyone. But the nice thing is
Speaker 1: now we are highlighting the Highway of Tears in the documentary, which.
Speaker 2: I think is a really good thing to probably talk
Speaker 2: about and highlight definitely. Yeah, like it needs to get
Speaker 2: out there more. Yeah, so how exciting.
Speaker 1: So yeah, do we have any other announcements? Is there
Speaker 1: anything else? I don't know, Like so much.
Speaker 2: As I feel like pump sitting here, I was like
Speaker 2: so tired before we started this, and I'm just like,
Speaker 2: let's do it.
Speaker 1: Okay. Every time we turn on the mics, suddenly like
Speaker 1: it's almost like the weird flip switches, because like I'm
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Speaker 1: And then the moment we sat down and the mics
Speaker 1: turned on and we're just like testing her audio levels,
Speaker 1: like behind the scenes. You guys don't hear that part.
Speaker 2: You should hear that part that we're larious.
Speaker 1: Maybe for patrons one day, but anyways, as soon as
Speaker 1: those mics go hot, it's it's like the ship show
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So we are definitely happy to be away from painting
Speaker 1: and emails.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so clearly we enjoyed this. Yeah, if you didn't know.
Speaker 1: O, can you talk a little bit. I've been talking
Speaker 1: a lot. Any news, any news.
Speaker 2: Any news. I just want to listen to this case.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, really quickly before we do go to the case,
Speaker 1: I did want to touch one more thing.
Speaker 2: You're like, chatty Cathy tonight.
Speaker 1: Well I sorry, let's go.
Speaker 2: What is it?
Speaker 1: Okay? Everyone always guesses our.
Speaker 2: Hintsome Yeah, people are so good.
Speaker 1: Like you guys are insanely good.
Speaker 2: Guess so good.
Speaker 1: I tried to make it a little bit more difficult
Speaker 1: on the last post for this case.
Speaker 2: Yeah it didn't work.
Speaker 1: No, instantly people knew what it was. So Nicole is
Speaker 1: doing next episode, and I think we should see if
Speaker 1: we can really test people.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, well, maybe I could put something up tonight
Speaker 2: because I don't even know what the episode is on,
Speaker 2: and then they can guess because no one will get
Speaker 2: it right then, because I don't even know what the
Speaker 2: heck I'm doing next week.
Speaker 1: So you're just going to post something random that doesn't
Speaker 1: even make sense that it's a joke. You're just going
Speaker 1: to post an image of a car.
Speaker 2: No one will get it right.
Speaker 1: It's because it's probably just our car sitting in the driveway.
Speaker 2: Oh that's like, don't let's not do that. That's like
Speaker 2: a bad omen. Yeah yeah, yeah, okay, yeah, Well I'm
Speaker 2: going to figure out what I'm going to dive into
Speaker 2: and then yeah, maybe I'll do I'll do.
Speaker 1: Something we should like, do it. I know for my
Speaker 1: next case, I'm doing something seriously obscure.
Speaker 2: So that's what we're the game. We're going to start playing.
Speaker 1: Well all the time a little bit. I want to
Speaker 1: test people. I want to see if I can push
Speaker 1: their limits. Like this case. I thought I picked an
Speaker 1: obscure case.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I don't even know much about this case.
Speaker 2: And you are like, I don't think that was very hard.
Speaker 1: Well no it wasn't, but still I thought it was
Speaker 1: an obscure case. When I first picked it. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: then once I started researching them, Like, there are so
Speaker 1: many articles, there are so many documentaries. This is not
Speaker 1: an obscure case. So I thought putting the boat with
Speaker 1: the back of it just the name showing yea was enough.
Speaker 1: But the back door was opened, the name was kind
Speaker 1: of cut off, so like maybe people won't really see
Speaker 1: the name and they'll have to look at the smaller
Speaker 1: boat to really see the name. It might might have
Speaker 1: been harder, but clearly not. So, Yeah, this is a
Speaker 1: higher profile case and people got it really easy.
Speaker 2: Okay, Well I'm going to We'll try next week again.
Speaker 2: We'll just keep trying until no one can get it. Okay, deal, Okay,
Speaker 2: let's go.
Speaker 1: Okay. So this is the case of Thomas and Jackie Hawks.
Speaker 2: Okay, Thomas and Jackie.
Speaker 1: Now they were a couple from Prescott, Arizona in the
Speaker 1: United States, which is a city of like forty two
Speaker 1: thousand people. It's just north of Like, I didn't write
Speaker 1: down the city name. I wrote down Arizona. It's just
Speaker 1: north of Arizona. Apparently, No, it's in Arizona anyways, it's
Speaker 1: in Arizona.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: I didn't write down the city that works. Okay. Anyways,
Speaker 1: it's a city in the States, forty two thousand people population, Okay.
Speaker 1: Thomas was a fifty seven year old bodybuilder and former
Speaker 1: probation officer with two sons from a previous marriage. Okay,
Speaker 1: and his wife, Jackie, was forty seven, who was also retired,
Speaker 1: and she spent her recent years taking care of the
Speaker 1: family with Thomas's adolescent sons.
Speaker 2: Oh so she took care of his sons yep.
Speaker 1: Okay, So she wasn't like their biological mother, but they
Speaker 1: were living with him, and she was just like she
Speaker 1: was the good step mom sort of.
Speaker 2: Yeah, forty seven to be retired, that's awesome.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they were like a seriously hard working couple. Okay.
Speaker 1: They made sure they worked hard for their retirement and
Speaker 1: they earned it.
Speaker 2: Sort of awesome.
Speaker 1: They were also like extremely dedicated to one another. Like
Speaker 1: I said, they earned their retirement. And when the day
Speaker 1: finally came when Thomas's kids were actually out of the
Speaker 1: house and on their own, because they weren't too young, right, Like,
Speaker 1: they were still living at home. It's not she was
Speaker 1: taking care of them, but she was taking care of
Speaker 1: the house sort of thing, right, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So once they were out of the house and on
Speaker 1: their own, they decided they wanted an inventure. Okay, something
Speaker 1: that many people want, but only very few people ever
Speaker 1: actually do. They went out and they purchased themselves a
Speaker 1: fifty five foot yacht and christened it the Well Deserved.
Speaker 2: That's actually not on my list, but it is for
Speaker 2: a lot of people. Yeah, I can imagine, but I'm
Speaker 2: just like terrified of the ocean. Scary shit down there,
Speaker 2: like and a lot of things that you don't even
Speaker 2: think we know that are down there.
Speaker 1: Oh definitely. So well, I know what's the percentage there's
Speaker 1: there's a very high percentage. It's like ninety five percent
Speaker 1: of the world's ocean is unexplored or something like that.
Speaker 2: Oh boy, yeah, no, I don't.
Speaker 1: Know if it's actually ninety percent. I'm pretty sure it's
Speaker 1: above eighty. But yeah, that's too crazy percentage.
Speaker 2: That's too high.
Speaker 1: Like there literally could be a cracking out in the ocean,
Speaker 1: a giant squid that just like takes shit.
Speaker 2: Honestly, there probably is. It wouldn't even surprise me.
Speaker 1: There's probably also like a disco fish that just like
Speaker 1: lights shine in different directions for like a.
Speaker 2: Party Oh boy, there's just probably I bet you could
Speaker 2: just everything under there, under.
Speaker 1: A sea, undert a sea. We got to watch a
Speaker 1: Little Mermaid. It's been a while. It's a good show.
Speaker 2: It is a good show.
Speaker 1: It's an amazing show.
Speaker 2: Anyway, was I why were you staring at me?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 2: That was also safe?
Speaker 1: You were staring at me though too. I looked at
Speaker 1: you looked at me, and it was just silent, and
Speaker 1: I was like, that's just how I look.
Speaker 2: Thanks, Okay, holy keep going.
Speaker 1: Regardless of my looks. They went out and purchased their
Speaker 1: fifty five foot yacht and christened it the Well Deserved.
Speaker 1: They treated this as their permanent home and residence. Okay,
Speaker 1: they actually lived on the water.
Speaker 2: Oh see that school, I could live on the water,
Speaker 2: which is that's fucked up.
Speaker 1: That's weird, weird, that's ass backwards.
Speaker 2: But whatever, just like on a houseboat or something that
Speaker 2: stalked But okay, carry on, sorry, okay.
Speaker 1: Well, they upgraded the boat. They installed everything they would
Speaker 1: ever need, and they kept it maintained meticulously. It was
Speaker 1: a perfect boat for their perfect life. They sailed for
Speaker 1: two years around the Pacific Ocean in the Gulf of California,
Speaker 1: like They didn't just park it. They sailed. They lived
Speaker 1: the life on sea. Now there's home videos. They did lots.
Speaker 1: It took lots of pictures, and you can actually find
Speaker 1: footage of like dolphins swimming alongside their boat orca is
Speaker 1: going along. And there's even one shot that I saw
Speaker 1: in a documentary of Thomas swimming out in the water
Speaker 1: with dolphins. Wild dolphins.
Speaker 2: Really, Hey, ballsy dude, Okay, yeah, that would just make
Speaker 2: me want to pee my pants.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so if you ever want to go swimming with dolphins,
Speaker 1: maybe go for it. But I don't recommend it. We
Speaker 1: won't ever do.
Speaker 2: It, probably not. I don't think that's something I'd ever do.
Speaker 1: Well, clearly they did, but.
Speaker 2: That's living on the wild side. I do it.
Speaker 1: It is they lived on the wild side. They literally
Speaker 1: fully embraced the whole, like ocean life, the sailor life.
Speaker 1: They moved from port to port, making the best of
Speaker 1: like each stay, and they enjoyed literally every minute they
Speaker 1: did more their boat at its regular home in an
Speaker 1: upscale neighborhood and a ritzy Newport beach in California when
Speaker 1: they weren't outsailing the ocean, so mooring it is literally
Speaker 1: parking it, you know, dropping an anchor in the bay
Speaker 1: sort of thing.
Speaker 2: They're like quite well off, obviously.
Speaker 1: Not necessarily they put all their money into the boat.
Speaker 2: Okay, just kind of sounds like they.
Speaker 1: Are they saved and they earned it, but they weren't
Speaker 1: like super rich or anything. Okay, But eventually, after two years,
Speaker 1: they decided it was time to say farewell to their
Speaker 1: sea life and set down roots once again. Oh well,
Speaker 1: the decision didn't didn't come because they were like growing
Speaker 1: tired of life in the water or sailing or anything.
Speaker 1: It came because one of Thomas's sons had just become
Speaker 1: a dad, and Thomas and Jackie were now grandparents, so
Speaker 1: they wanted to sell the beloved well deserved to move
Speaker 1: back to Arizona and be closer to family. That makes sense, Yeah, totally,
Speaker 1: So in two thousand and four they decided to sell
Speaker 1: the boat, just like a house, though with realtors and stuff.
Speaker 1: There's like brokers and fees to pay. Oh really, they
Speaker 1: weren't the most well off. All their money was in
Speaker 1: the boat, so to avoid that, they decided to go
Speaker 1: private sitells. So they avoided that like commission costs sort of.
Speaker 2: Thing, you know, okay, which I feel like a lot
Speaker 2: of people think about doing.
Speaker 1: Oh definitely, we thought about doing it with our house.
Speaker 2: We did think about doing it with the house. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So yeah, they didn't go through a boat broker. They
Speaker 1: did it through private sale, which a lot of retired
Speaker 1: people do. The pinched in the pennies, right, retired, you
Speaker 1: don't have that income.
Speaker 2: Well also like you may have more time too if
Speaker 2: you're retired, right too, Yeah.
Speaker 1: To sell it to do that? Yeah, So they put
Speaker 1: out ads in papers and even actually in boating magazines
Speaker 1: such as Yachting World magazine. Okay, and the ad read
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty lean HWA trawler fifty five foot by fifteen
Speaker 1: feet and eight inches one, three hundred and fifty fuel,
Speaker 1: outstanding condition, crews, ready, everything imaginable, four thousand, three hundred, sorry,
Speaker 1: four hundred and thirty five thousand dollars moored in Newport
Speaker 1: Beach by owner. So that was the add a lot.
Speaker 2: I have no idea what boat's going half.
Speaker 1: A million dollars in two thousand and four for.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's in nineteen eighty yeah, so.
Speaker 1: I'm not too sure if that's a lot for the
Speaker 1: boat specifically, But I mean that is good change.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of money.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but that is literally that's their equity right there.
Speaker 2: Right, totally, Yeah, they need that.
Speaker 1: So it didn't take long before the boat had a
Speaker 1: potential buyer, Skyler. Delhion was a twenty five year old
Speaker 1: and was interested in the well deserved. Skyler said that
Speaker 1: they had cash and lots of it, and claimed the
Speaker 1: money came from being a child actor in real estate investments.
Speaker 2: Did they google that shit?
Speaker 1: What do you mean? Google that shit? Google what shit?
Speaker 2: Child is he? Actually? If he's was a child actor,
Speaker 2: you could google that he was actually a child Oh
Speaker 2: he actually was.
Speaker 1: He was.
Speaker 2: I'm already think of this dude's sketch, but maybe he's
Speaker 2: not even a sketcherson.
Speaker 1: He boasted a lot about being on the Power Rangers
Speaker 1: when he was younger, about being a child star and
Speaker 1: Power Rangers. However, his role on Power Rangers was extremely minimal,
Speaker 1: Like he was just a bit part for like an episode.
Speaker 2: Oh but he was on the Power Ring.
Speaker 1: Yes, exactly exactly, That's exactly how he played it up.
Speaker 1: I get into that a little bit more later on. Okay,
Speaker 1: So immediately, Thomas, though was suspicious as a former probation officer.
Speaker 1: Something wasn't right about this and the cash in hand
Speaker 1: was a red flag.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well assessially at that age.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and for half a million dollars cash?
Speaker 2: Yes, has that just sitting there?
Speaker 1: I wish we did.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, actually I get I jump on that bandwagon.
Speaker 1: Please give me half a million dollars.
Speaker 2: But I put in the bank.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Regardless of being suspicious, though, they did decide to
Speaker 1: meet in person. Oh, I clicked something here. Where am I?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 1: No, oh, okay, I think I'm good.
Speaker 2: You're good.
Speaker 1: I think so. Where am I? Though?
Speaker 2: Does everything you own have stickers all over it?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 2: Okay, because it's looking at your jab with.
Speaker 1: The sticker stickers. I love stickers.
Speaker 2: You love stickers.
Speaker 1: They're fun. Okay.
Speaker 2: Did you love stickers as a child, because I did? Yes, Okay.
Speaker 1: I like to draw and put stickers and things on
Speaker 1: things and stuff and things. Okay. Regardless of the stickers,
Speaker 1: they decided to meet in person, and when they did,
Speaker 1: Skyler showed up to the meeting with a pregnant wife
Speaker 1: named Jennifer de Lyon who was twenty three, and she
Speaker 1: had their daughter in a stroller with them.
Speaker 2: Okay, so they had a little kid and she was pregnant.
Speaker 1: Yep, so it was a nice little fan okay.
Speaker 2: So yeah, then your your spidey sense would go down, yes.
Speaker 1: Most certainly.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: So the family painted like happy, trustworthy picture and you know,
Speaker 1: Jackie and Thomas is just like you said, your spidy
Speaker 1: senses go down to. Reservations were at ease.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: So the offer was cash in hand and the asking
Speaker 1: price was four thousand, sorry four fuck.
Speaker 2: Kay saying four thousand, like good deal?
Speaker 1: Yeah, one hundred and thirty five thousand, plus an additional
Speaker 1: fifteen thousand for some other onboard boat items for a
Speaker 1: total of four hundred and fifty thousand, almost said four thousand.
Speaker 2: Again, that's a lot of money.
Speaker 1: It's a lot of dope. Yeah, it's I wouldn't mind
Speaker 1: a chunk of.
Speaker 2: Check, especially in two thousand and four or whatever, two
Speaker 2: thousand four. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So only one more thing had to be done though,
Speaker 1: before the deal was official, oka a sea trial. Skyler
Speaker 1: wanted the Hawks to take them out on the boat
Speaker 1: so it could be inspected things like the hull and
Speaker 1: the motors to ensure, you know, everything's like in working
Speaker 1: order and it's up to par like they say it is, right,
Speaker 1: so they decided to schedule a day to take the
Speaker 1: boat out, and then when the day arrives, things were
Speaker 1: a little bit different.
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm very intrigued.
Speaker 1: So Thomas and Jackie were expecting Skyler and Jennifer to show, yeah,
Speaker 1: but instead it was Skyler with two men, one of
Speaker 1: which claimed to be Skyler's accountant.
Speaker 2: It was odd, okay, because they would not need to
Speaker 2: ride the boat, test drive of the boat an accountant
Speaker 2: your accountant, right? No? Yeah?
Speaker 1: No, well yeah it was.
Speaker 2: I mean, I guess I don't. I just don't think so.
Speaker 1: But okay, it's odd. Well they found it odd. So
Speaker 1: Skyler and two two men.
Speaker 2: Okay, the other dude is nothing, just another dude. One's
Speaker 2: an accountant, one's Skyler.
Speaker 1: Just a friend or something or something. I never really
Speaker 1: found anything of them claiming the second dude was anything,
Speaker 1: or saying who he was or nothing. It was just
Speaker 1: Skyler and two dudes.
Speaker 2: Okay, But would you be alarmed? Because, like, I don't know,
Speaker 2: if you were, if we were buying a boat like
Speaker 2: you would probably want to more so bring like your
Speaker 2: dad to check it out than me. So is that
Speaker 2: really like alarming? Would you be alarmed?
Speaker 1: I mean maybe because I probably would tell the guy like, hey,
Speaker 1: I'm bringing my dad with me, and I'm pretty sure
Speaker 1: you would come to.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would come to.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, so yeah, I mean they it was odd,
Speaker 1: but not like crazy weird or anything. So it was
Speaker 1: just odd. It's not what they expected. And yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: well let's head out in the water.
Speaker 2: Something that you would like warn someone in the boat. Yeah, yeah, probably, Okay,
Speaker 2: let's do it.
Speaker 1: So they went out in the water. Did exactly that.
Speaker 1: They went out for the sea trial.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: Now, a friend of the Hawks, carter Ford, had evening
Speaker 1: plans to meet up with them once they returned from
Speaker 1: the sea trial, and as it grew closer to the
Speaker 1: meeting time, he received a phone call from Jackie. She
Speaker 1: said they weren't sure why they weren't back in the
Speaker 1: harbor yet, but that they were still in open water.
Speaker 1: Skyler and the men he brought along with them, they
Speaker 1: were still trialing the boat and they would and once
Speaker 1: they were done, they called carter and just be like, okay,
Speaker 1: we're back in boats moored basically like they were taking
Speaker 1: their sweet ass time out there.
Speaker 2: Okay, but she was on the boat too, She.
Speaker 1: Was on the boat. So Jackie and Thomas are both
Speaker 1: on the boat and she's like, I don't know why
Speaker 1: I'm not back yet. They're still doing their thing. They're
Speaker 1: taking the sweet last time. We'll call you when we
Speaker 1: get back.
Speaker 2: Interesting.
Speaker 1: Okay, So the sunset, darkness grew, and it got later
Speaker 1: and later and later into the night. Carter never received
Speaker 1: that phone call.
Speaker 2: Shit, okay, So.
Speaker 1: The morning came and they're in the harbor. More than
Speaker 1: that spot was the well deserved.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, that's good. You would be like, oh, they've
Speaker 2: done this.
Speaker 1: But Thomas and Jackie were nowhere to be found.
Speaker 2: Well, maybe they went out for breakfast.
Speaker 1: Some mimosas, some eggs, Benny.
Speaker 2: You know, they just sold their boat and they're celebrating,
Speaker 2: oh yeah, you know, living it up.
Speaker 1: And that's one of the first impressions that a lot
Speaker 1: of people had, because their SUV was also missing. So
Speaker 1: friends thought that maybe they must have left for a
Speaker 1: spontaneous road trip to celebrate the sail of their boat,
Speaker 1: or maybe they quickly headed back to Arizona or something
Speaker 1: for quick you know, Hurrah trip or who knows what. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but they figured, okay, well, they probably just spontaneously.
Speaker 2: Took off but they definitely should have like called Carter.
Speaker 1: Yeah, which was which was weird that they didn't.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So the days began to roll by and still no
Speaker 1: sign of Thomas and Jackie. On top of that, friends
Speaker 1: noticed a couple odd things going on here.
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm intrigued.
Speaker 1: First off, there is a dinghy that goes along with
Speaker 1: the Well Deserved. So when the boat is moored out
Speaker 1: in the harbor, it's staying on the water, it's anchored,
Speaker 1: and then to get to shore, they use the dinghy
Speaker 1: to basically taxi back and forth and then tie the
Speaker 1: dinghy up at the dock.
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, makes sense.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the dingy wasn't tied to the dock.
Speaker 2: C oh okay, I was like the dingy was gone.
Speaker 1: Dingy was there.
Speaker 2: He was at the dock, but not tied. He wasn't
Speaker 2: tied correctly, not like what a boat or with experience would.
Speaker 1: Tie it, not like a meticulous Thomas would do. He
Speaker 1: kept very good care of his ship. Everything was in order.
Speaker 1: Every not was perfect. This not was far from perfect,
Speaker 1: completely incorrect. Not at that it was not right.
Speaker 2: Not okay, yeah, that would that would be one thing.
Speaker 1: A closer look actually at the boat because friends, you know,
Speaker 1: thought this is weird.
Speaker 2: Well did they go out into the big boat.
Speaker 1: They didn't go into it, but they were like they
Speaker 1: boated around and close to it and looking at it.
Speaker 2: Oh, they should have gone right in.
Speaker 1: I would, Well, it's not their property. Yeah, but that's
Speaker 1: breaking and entering into a house, is what that's doing.
Speaker 2: Yeah. But if it's your friend and you're like checking.
Speaker 1: On, that's still break. What if it's a crime scene,
Speaker 1: you're breaking and entering into.
Speaker 2: A crimes I would have gone on the boat.
Speaker 1: You're going to smash into a friend's door and go
Speaker 1: looking for them before calling the cops. I don't know,
Speaker 1: I didn't think so, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I think that's the same as answer. I'm just gonna
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 1: Know, so a closer look of the boat, because they
Speaker 1: were they're peeking in, like saying, just like seeing if
Speaker 1: anyone's parked in the driveway or whatever.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's fair.
Speaker 1: Sort of thing. It's dry buys, but with a boat, okay.
Speaker 1: Showed tarps not covering equipment properly, a motor not put
Speaker 1: in the correct position, and a towel hanging out of
Speaker 1: an open porthole window. Oh something wasn't right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a lot of things going on there that
Speaker 2: is not right.
Speaker 1: They made sure everything was in its place, and everything
Speaker 1: was not in its place.
Speaker 2: Oh no.
Speaker 1: So of course police were called and investigators began looking
Speaker 1: into the case, and the first place they did start
Speaker 1: was on board the Well Deserved.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: Now they had no means of entry, so they had
Speaker 1: to break in. But it was investigators. It's for someone's
Speaker 1: well being, right, Yeah, So they had every So that's okay.
Speaker 2: Apparently it's lot officials.
Speaker 1: It's not just some blonde with a glass of wine.
Speaker 1: Where the fuck are you? But I'm coming in the
Speaker 1: dory some.
Speaker 2: Blonde with a glass of wine. Achave me? Yeah, hey,
Speaker 2: I'm drinking water. You're the one was always drinking.
Speaker 1: I like alcohol, so do you.
Speaker 2: I already had a glass of wine tonight. I does
Speaker 2: not have another, okay.
Speaker 1: I took a step of beer, so I had like
Speaker 1: gotta put it down. Okay. So they began looking on
Speaker 1: board the Well Deserved and they had no means of entry,
Speaker 1: so they broke the lock. Blah blah blah blah, Am
Speaker 1: I here okay. So after entering, they almost immediately see,
Speaker 1: you know, of course, things are scattered around. Things aren't.
Speaker 1: It's not a disaster, no struggle, it's just not well
Speaker 1: kept and maintained like it should be.
Speaker 2: Okay, like they would have had it. Yes, yeah.
Speaker 1: And they also found a receipt laying on the open
Speaker 1: floor okay. And the receipt was for a few things.
Speaker 1: But among those things was bleach cleaning supplies, trash bags,
Speaker 1: oh shit, and thumbs a suspicious shopping lift.
Speaker 2: What the the thumbs for? A tummy?
Speaker 1: Hold on? Hold on? So a suspicious, suspicious list that
Speaker 1: was also dated two days after they went missing. I
Speaker 1: think that was just in our headphones. Did you guys
Speaker 1: hear a buzz? We just had feedback. I think it
Speaker 1: was just our headphones.
Speaker 2: I think it's the red lady. She followed us. A shit, shit,
Speaker 2: we gotta go. Okay, I'm so intrigued to know what
Speaker 2: the fuck the tombs is for. So let's go okay,
Speaker 2: let's keep going.
Speaker 1: So one of the investigators said this, and I quote,
Speaker 1: if I was gonna kill somebody, I'd have my clean
Speaker 1: kit and it will be bags to get rid of evidence,
Speaker 1: to wipe down the scene, and maybe, if I had
Speaker 1: a conscience, some tombs to settle my stomach after killing
Speaker 1: some poor people. Oh so that could be what the
Speaker 1: tombs are for.
Speaker 2: That's interesting. Okay, that's like just something that you well, Okay,
Speaker 2: so they were anxious. They might have had like the
Speaker 2: shits because they were like nervous about what they are doing.
Speaker 2: So they're buying this stuff and then they get buy
Speaker 2: tombs too. Yeah, maybe if you're nervous rooms. I don't know.
Speaker 2: I think nervous people get the ships.
Speaker 1: Well. I think like when I was younger, the first
Speaker 1: time I bought condoms, about like twelve other things with
Speaker 1: it because I was nervous to buy condoms, you know,
Speaker 1: act casual, right, get some chips with it or maybe
Speaker 1: a loaf of bread, you know.
Speaker 2: I still feel like I'm like that with tampons. Is
Speaker 2: so awkward because lots of times when I'm buying tampons,
Speaker 2: I'm also buying like chocolate, and they're just like geez.
Speaker 1: I don't think that's an awkward thing. I think that's
Speaker 1: just a hormonal thing you crave and some chocolate and
Speaker 1: some snacky chips, you know. I don't know. I I've
Speaker 1: never experienced a period, so I can't say for sure,
Speaker 1: but that's gonna be my guess.
Speaker 2: That's not the best, that's for sure.
Speaker 1: Thank God. I'm a dude. I can pee standing up
Speaker 1: and I don't get cramps and bleed.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you're lucky.
Speaker 1: I am. I'm lucky. I have you you are w Anyways,
Speaker 1: that aside.
Speaker 2: Holy let's keep going here.
Speaker 1: So friends and family all knew that Thomas and Jackie
Speaker 1: were selling the boats. The next step for investigators was
Speaker 1: to get a hold of the people who were interested
Speaker 1: in making the purchase. Skuyler and Jennifer said that they
Speaker 1: had purchased the boat from the owners with cash in full,
Speaker 1: and they hadn't seen them since the transaction.
Speaker 2: Okay, so they're saying that they at this point they
Speaker 2: owned the boat.
Speaker 1: It's their boat. They owned the boat, they paid for it.
Speaker 1: They don't where Thomas and Jackie are.
Speaker 2: That's interesting, Okay, So if.
Speaker 1: This is true, there must have been a deposit into
Speaker 1: the bank of Thomas and Jackie Hawk.
Speaker 2: However, well, not necessarily was cash and they took off.
Speaker 1: So are they just running around with half a million
Speaker 1: dollars in cash?
Speaker 2: They don't see. They don't seem like the kind of
Speaker 2: people that would do that.
Speaker 1: Definitely not. Yeah, so there was no deposit into the account. Okay.
Speaker 1: Other than this, the buyers weren't like the most helpful
Speaker 1: or to give a lot of info. They're like, I
Speaker 1: don't know we bought the boat. We don't know where
Speaker 1: they are. That's about it.
Speaker 2: People are missing be helpful. I know that's rude.
Speaker 1: So trying to get more information, the investigators began to
Speaker 1: stake out the couple and follow them around. Okay, Jackie
Speaker 1: was followed to a hair salon where she worked. Should
Speaker 1: go in, go about her shift, and go home? Both
Speaker 1: the two of them. Jackie and Skyler were both followed
Speaker 1: to a church where they volunteered for cleaning inside the church. Oh,
Speaker 1: they were living normal lives. They were literally giving no
Speaker 1: reason for foul play, any suspicious behavior or nothing.
Speaker 2: Okay, so interesting. I wonder if they knew they were
Speaker 2: being followed.
Speaker 1: I don't think they did. No, they were just living
Speaker 1: their life.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: Investigators began to dig a little deeper, you know, trying
Speaker 1: to find something. There's got to be something. Something's not right.
Speaker 1: We have too some people, no evidence of transaction.
Speaker 2: Definitely not right.
Speaker 1: Definitely not right.
Speaker 2: Like, let's get this shit figured out. I hope this
Speaker 2: is this is not one of those ones where, oh,
Speaker 2: we don't know what's happened.
Speaker 1: Oh, we know what's happened.
Speaker 2: Okay, thank god, we know what's happened, because I don't
Speaker 2: want to deal with that today.
Speaker 1: So they dug deeper and they found that the couple
Speaker 1: was living in Jackie's parents' garage, which had been converted
Speaker 1: into a suite, and that Jackie was actually the breadwinner
Speaker 1: of the family and being a hairdresser, it's not like
Speaker 1: they're making the money, Skyler claimed. They were.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, yeah, yeah, okay for sure, and they're just
Speaker 2: living and they're just living in her parents' garage.
Speaker 1: Yes. Interesting, So those real estate purchases or whatever didn't exist.
Speaker 1: And like I said, he was just a bit part
Speaker 1: on the Power Rangers show and they were in debt
Speaker 1: eighty seven thousand dollars. Oh, not the kind of people
Speaker 1: who could afford a yacht.
Speaker 2: Yeah with cash?
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, thank you. Yeah that's not happening.
Speaker 2: No, that is definitely not happening.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I skipped over a bit of the Power Rangers
Speaker 1: info there because we already covered it all. I just
Speaker 1: looked at it. I'm like, oh, we already said it.
Speaker 2: But like that's actually true that he was in The
Speaker 2: Power Rangers. Yep, Okay, I don't know why, but I'm
Speaker 2: just doing I think I think he was in The.
Speaker 1: Power Rangers twice for like a total of like three
Speaker 1: or four seconds.
Speaker 2: No, Like, how much would that even make? You?
Speaker 1: Like? Nothing, he probably made like, I don't know, two
Speaker 1: hundred bucks or something. Yeah, I have no idea, huh.
Speaker 1: And it's not like The Power Rangers was super high budget,
Speaker 1: Like it's super cheesy acting. First of all, you claim
Speaker 1: you're on the Power Rangers for being acting. It's like,
Speaker 1: I mean, that's not like great a acting there. Don't
Speaker 1: get me wrong.
Speaker 2: I can't even remember. I can't I have like, I mean,
Speaker 2: I'm sure I watched the shows, but it's been a while.
Speaker 1: I love the Power Rangers. I love them as a kid,
Speaker 1: love them now. They're very entertaining, athletic people. The costume
Speaker 1: design was great, but it was cheesy. It was cheesy.
Speaker 1: It was meant for kids.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So there's some suspicious thing about mister Power Rangers and Jennifer.
Speaker 1: So Skyler gets brought in for questioning from investigators and
Speaker 1: they want to know where they got the cash from.
Speaker 2: Fair question.
Speaker 1: After talking for a little while, Skyler admits something.
Speaker 2: Okay, what does she amit?
Speaker 1: Skyler admits the money was made using drug sales for Mexico.
Speaker 2: Oh shit, yeah, I don't know why, but I wasn't
Speaker 2: expecting that.
Speaker 1: Yep, and Skyler maintained the story. They did the transaction
Speaker 1: mostly in one hundred dollars bills, and from there, Thomas
Speaker 1: and Jackie asked Skyler if they could use the connections
Speaker 1: from the drug transactions to help open a bank in
Speaker 1: Mexico where they could buy a house down there.
Speaker 2: What that's confusing and doesn't make sense? Hold on, hold on, okay.
Speaker 1: From there, they gave Skyler the power of a hernie
Speaker 1: over their finances to do so, and Skyler was able
Speaker 1: to provide a signed document to the police to prove it.
Speaker 2: That doesn't make any sense, like zero sentence.
Speaker 1: Not only were signatures required for this document, though fingerprints
Speaker 1: were required as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but if you were held at friaking gunpot on
Speaker 2: a boat, you'd probably do that. Shit, Maybe I would.
Speaker 1: There was even a notary who witnessed the signings of
Speaker 1: the document and described the same events of the transaction
Speaker 1: as Skyler and Jennifer was.
Speaker 2: The notary the freaking dude that was on the boat.
Speaker 1: It was not w But here's the thing. The notary
Speaker 1: was asked to describe the events, did so in perfect detail,
Speaker 1: and was asked to describe Thomas and Jackie. Thomas she
Speaker 1: described to a t Jackie. However, she described Jackie as
Speaker 1: having long, brown curly hair. Jackie no longer had long
Speaker 1: brown curly hair. Jackie since they purchased the boat, she
Speaker 1: had cut her hair shorter and had it bleach blonde
Speaker 1: and spiked, but she did used to have long, brown
Speaker 1: curly hair.
Speaker 2: I'm confused. Am I supposed to be getting something that
Speaker 2: I'm not kidding?
Speaker 1: You're not getting nothing until it's revealed. Trust me.
Speaker 2: Here, am I gonna be shocked?
Speaker 1: We'll find out, because right.
Speaker 2: Now I'm just like, what the fuck?
Speaker 1: Yeah, we are. This might be a long episode because
Speaker 1: we're gonna do this in one. So sorry if this
Speaker 1: is a long episode guys, but we are not going
Speaker 1: to separate this too. You guys ain't gonna wait. You're
Speaker 1: gonna hear it all.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I want to. I'm not waiting for shit.
Speaker 1: Okay, So none of this, like you said, none of
Speaker 1: this has makeing sense.
Speaker 2: No, I'm like utterly confused.
Speaker 1: Like, these two people just gave power of attorney over
Speaker 1: all their finances to someone they don't even know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: who's involved in drug trafficking and there's documentation and witnesses
Speaker 1: to prove it.
Speaker 2: And Jackie looks like she's the Jackie of the past.
Speaker 1: Yep, according to the who. So that's a lot to
Speaker 1: absorb there, It's a lot.
Speaker 2: Like I actually feel like, why the fuck do I
Speaker 2: not have a glass of wine?
Speaker 1: Yeah, So Skyler's saying that Jackie and Thomas basically went
Speaker 1: took off to Mexico to buy a house there. So
Speaker 1: if they did take off to miss Mexico, investigators still
Speaker 1: need to find them. They need to confirm what Skyler claims.
Speaker 1: They need to make sure that the couple that the
Speaker 1: Hawks are Okay, So they put out a national video
Speaker 1: with Thomas's son Ryan, asking for the public's help to
Speaker 1: find his parents, and they gave him description of the
Speaker 1: missing suv as well along with it.
Speaker 2: Because yeah, they were going to Arizona, not Mexico. So okay,
Speaker 2: I'm just confused.
Speaker 1: Well, that's where they were going to move back to
Speaker 1: see family, Yes, Arizona, okay, And they're currently in California
Speaker 1: when they went missing. So literally like that, that's not
Speaker 1: even anywhere near Arizona. Like Mexico's Mexico, Arizona's Arizona.
Speaker 2: Like but yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: Okay, So they put out the public broadcast. They got
Speaker 1: a hit. Someone had found the missing suv.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: A US citizen called in and said that they were
Speaker 1: in Mexico and they were standing in front of and
Speaker 1: looking directly at the missing suv that was just on TV.
Speaker 1: It was found.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: The suv was parked outside of a residence and the
Speaker 1: homeowner said that Skyler Delion was an old surfing buddy
Speaker 1: and gave him the vehicle. Then his wife, Jennifer stopped
Speaker 1: by in another vehicle and they drove home and inside
Speaker 1: the car they found Skyler's DNA from a swab on
Speaker 1: Jackie Jennifer.
Speaker 2: Oh, am I getting names mixed up? Now?
Speaker 1: Maybe? Am I getting names mixed up? Now? Why did
Speaker 1: you do this to me?
Speaker 2: Well? Now I'm just like what Skyler.
Speaker 1: And it's Thomas and Jackie are the hawks?
Speaker 2: Okay? Sorry I am confused.
Speaker 1: Then okay, and yeah, Skyler and Jennifer are the purchasers.
Speaker 2: Okay, So okay, I'm I'm confused. You need to explain this.
Speaker 2: Skyler dropped off the suv, yes.
Speaker 1: And gave it to an old surfing buddy in Mexico.
Speaker 2: Why did Skyler have the suv? Though?
Speaker 1: I don't know, I do, Okay.
Speaker 2: Well, that's why I'm confused. I was expecting it to
Speaker 2: be Thomas and Jackie that had the SUV. So sorry,
Speaker 2: I was like, didn't I pretty much just making up
Speaker 2: the story in my head. And that's wrong.
Speaker 1: It's wrong Skyler and Jennifer were in possession of Thomas
Speaker 1: and Jackie's suv. Thomas and Jackie are the ones that are.
Speaker 2: Missing, okay. And did Jennifer say anything about them giving
Speaker 2: this suv to someone? No, Okay, Skyler, that's already fucked
Speaker 2: up from what they said.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a lot of fucked up stuff going on.
Speaker 1: A lot of stuff does not make sense.
Speaker 2: Well yeah, because yeah, okay, this is yeah, you have
Speaker 2: I have absolutely no idea how this is going to
Speaker 2: go down.
Speaker 1: Good. That's kind of the point.
Speaker 2: That is probably the point, yes, of this podcast.
Speaker 1: So clearly something's wrong doesn't make sense, as your kerfuffle shows.
Speaker 2: Yeah, sorry, sorry, people, I'm okay. Maybe everyone else is
Speaker 2: having trouble keeping up because this is wild.
Speaker 1: It is wild, but whatever's going wrong, Like investigators are
Speaker 1: just baffled and they're just trying to find evidence. They're
Speaker 1: just trying to figure out what the fuck is happening.
Speaker 2: Well, they're doing a good job looking through everything.
Speaker 1: I like that they did and to start with, to
Speaker 1: try and dig deeper, what they did was they arrested
Speaker 1: Skyler for money laundering because I've already confessed confessed to
Speaker 1: that drug money. Well, yeah, and now they could actually
Speaker 1: get a warrant to search the apartment that the garage.
Speaker 2: The garage apartment. Oh okay, that's good, that's good.
Speaker 1: So inside their apartment, suite or whatever. In the garage
Speaker 1: they found a lot of personal effects belonging to the Hawks,
Speaker 1: like cameras, laptops, and even identification from their wallets. Jackie's
Speaker 1: identification was an older photo on her driver's license where
Speaker 1: she still had her long, brown, curly hair.
Speaker 2: Okay, but that doesn't make sense of why the notary
Speaker 2: would be describing it wrong, does it not?
Speaker 1: If the notary wasn't actually there, but she was describing
Speaker 1: them based off their ideas.
Speaker 2: That she saw off the identification.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 2: Interesting, But the notary needed to have been there in person.
Speaker 1: Problem legally yes? Oh shit, so now it's like someone else.
Speaker 2: They're fucked I don't even.
Speaker 1: Know how to like go on talking about this without
Speaker 1: giving too much stuff. Every thought up, Oh they done
Speaker 1: did fucked up?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I don't like them.
Speaker 1: No, So even though they still don't have a story,
Speaker 1: this does show involvement. But even still, could it be
Speaker 1: just Skyler? What about Jennifer? Was she an accomplice in
Speaker 1: something whatever that's happening here?
Speaker 2: Yes she is.
Speaker 1: Well, they do have video surveillance at a bank that
Speaker 1: shows both Skyler and Jennifer trying to withdraw money from
Speaker 1: the Hawk's bank account. What the frig said, power of
Speaker 1: attorney paperwork showing that she was just as involved. She's
Speaker 1: got a big shit eating grin on her face the
Speaker 1: whole time she's in.
Speaker 2: That bank is involved.
Speaker 1: Thankfully, though the transaction actually was declined, the bank manager
Speaker 1: knew the Hawks good and though they had legitimate paperwork,
Speaker 1: They're like, we need to verify this before we can
Speaker 1: make any sort of transaction, which is good.
Speaker 2: But technically that bank manager could have just giving it out.
Speaker 1: Eh, technically I think yeah, yeah, signature's fingerprints everything, they're there.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: So they wanted to validate it first, and that stopped
Speaker 1: them from getting the money.
Speaker 2: Because one hundred percent I think Jennifer is involved because
Speaker 2: she went initially mm hmm, and she dang well knew
Speaker 2: that they had not half a million dollars for this boat.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and she's trying to withdraw a half a
Speaker 1: million dollars from their account.
Speaker 2: There you go.
Speaker 1: So again, investigators keep digging into anything they could, and
Speaker 1: eventually they had someone recommend something. One of the investigators
Speaker 1: was just at a loss and he was talking to
Speaker 1: a boating buddy, and he said, he's like, you know, boating.
Speaker 1: He's like, we're trying to figure out if there was
Speaker 1: a murder on board this ship, this yacht, if there
Speaker 1: was a murder or something amiss, what's something that I
Speaker 1: should look for, you know, boating tell me sort of thing, right, okay,
Speaker 1: And the guy said, without even skipping a beat, immediately
Speaker 1: look for a missing anchor.
Speaker 2: Oh oh, oh, that's good.
Speaker 1: Actually, So they go back and in all of the
Speaker 1: photos of the Well Deserved on the front bow of
Speaker 1: the boat, there are two anchors. There are one for
Speaker 1: each side of the front of the boat. Okay, they
Speaker 1: go to the ad in the magazine, all the home
Speaker 1: videos footage that they took, there's two anchors. They go
Speaker 1: back to the boat, there's one anchor on.
Speaker 2: The NOA, No, okay, I'm sure they can lie through
Speaker 2: that though.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, it doesn't really mean a.
Speaker 2: Lot necessarily potentially falling off. It could.
Speaker 1: It's all circumstantial evidence. Yeah, there's nothing that really ties
Speaker 1: all this together because I mean even the stuff in
Speaker 1: their apartment. Yeah, we bought the boat. It was stuff
Speaker 1: they left behind.
Speaker 2: Prove it, prove it, prove it it's not And why
Speaker 2: wouldn't they use two anchors, one for each body. They're
Speaker 2: just going to tie the garbage banks to one anchor.
Speaker 1: Who knows. So they literally don't have smoking gun though
Speaker 1: there's no bodies, there's no blood, there's no murder weapons,
Speaker 1: there's nothing. It's just people are missing. You have some
Speaker 1: of their possessions and.
Speaker 2: That's it, and they just probably have a gut feeling.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and legal documentation that they now.
Speaker 2: Have power over their money, which is why.
Speaker 1: Yeah, investigators began looking for confession. It's the only way
Speaker 1: that they're going to get anything out of this. It's
Speaker 1: there at a brick wall a dead end. Confession is
Speaker 1: the only way anything's going.
Speaker 2: To happen, because trying to find the bodies too would
Speaker 2: just be like in the ocean, would be like a
Speaker 2: needle and a paystick. Oh harder than that, yeah, worse.
Speaker 1: Everyone that they could. They tried to interrogate, tried to question,
Speaker 1: and everyone held their story. Skyler, Jennifer, the notary, everyone
Speaker 1: held the same story. Nope, this is what happened. They
Speaker 1: purchased it in cash. They have the power of attorney.
Speaker 2: Don't know where they are, which is impressive.
Speaker 1: Until one person was brought in for questioning the attorney.
Speaker 2: The attorney, oh, the accountant, the accountants.
Speaker 1: Well, yes, there were two men on board.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah you are Tim Hank, Mary Sue.
Speaker 1: Oh I damn it.
Speaker 2: Oh you got far too excited there.
Speaker 1: I did push buttons on a tablet. Where am I? Now?
Speaker 2: So the one of the two men that were joining Skyler?
Speaker 1: Yes, okay, but the question is like, who are they right? Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: there's no evidence pointing and.
Speaker 2: One of them probably isn't even an accountant. Well yeah, exactly,
Speaker 2: Yeah that was a lie.
Speaker 1: So how they got hold of one of those two men?
Speaker 1: He was staring him in the face all along. One
Speaker 1: of those men was a witness on the power of
Speaker 1: attorney that was signed. That man was Alonso Shane a
Speaker 1: chain he signed his name on that document. The match
Speaker 1: to track him down and brought him in for questioning,
Speaker 1: and Alonso decided he was gonna do the right thing,
Speaker 1: and he told investigators everything. Oh he spilled the proverbial beans.
Speaker 2: Wow, that easy? Eh?
Speaker 1: That easy? Well, I mean there was a little bit
Speaker 1: more than that. Initially, It basically it breaks down to
Speaker 1: he tried to run to Mexico. He did escape into Mexico,
Speaker 1: and then investigators I got a hold of them and
Speaker 1: they were like, you know, like if you talk to
Speaker 1: us and you confess whatever, blah blah, will reduce your sentencing.
Speaker 1: And then anyways, he did come in for questioning. He
Speaker 1: decided to do the right thing. So it's a little
Speaker 1: bit more complicated than that. But it's like, well, I
Speaker 1: just sa necessary.
Speaker 2: He's the motherfucker that needed the toms, you think, So, yeah,
Speaker 2: he probably had an upset stomach ache from all this shit.
Speaker 1: Well I'm gonna I'm gonna tell you now. They never
Speaker 1: ended up using any of that stuff that was purchased,
Speaker 1: and it was actually Jennifer's dad who purchased those things.
Speaker 1: So I'm pretty sure it's kind of that was kind
Speaker 1: of a dead end.
Speaker 2: That's not very fun.
Speaker 1: They learned that, Okay, that stuff was purchased by Jennifer's dad.
Speaker 1: They have security footage of it at a hardware store
Speaker 1: or whatever store. But why was that receipt on board?
Speaker 2: Well, why did Jennifer's dad purchase those things? Was he
Speaker 2: murdering someone?
Speaker 1: Well, they just like, oh, it's just a shopping list.
Speaker 2: There's so that.
Speaker 1: That's kind of the end of that. There's no more
Speaker 1: information on that. It's just a shopping list.
Speaker 2: Hopefully you never come home with that kind of shopping
Speaker 2: list because then I feel like I'm fucked.
Speaker 1: No kidding, but yeah, clearly I think there was intent there,
Speaker 1: but I think plans changed, and this is what actually
Speaker 1: did happen. This is what the plan was. The plan
Speaker 1: was to set out an open water with Alonso and
Speaker 1: another man who was the accountant and I shit you not.
Speaker 1: His name is John f Kennedy. John Fitzgerald Kennedy. Okay,
Speaker 1: he was a big guy and he was a notorious
Speaker 1: gang member.
Speaker 2: Oh that's so scary.
Speaker 1: So these two men and Skyler went on board and
Speaker 1: hit the open water. The plan is going to be
Speaker 1: that John or JFK I'm going to call him. JFK
Speaker 1: is going to fake see sickness when they're on the
Speaker 1: open water, and he's going to head down to one
Speaker 1: of the lower decks on the boat. Now, once below,
Speaker 1: he's going to wait for Thomas to follow and check
Speaker 1: on him.
Speaker 2: Oh, because Thomas is a nice guy exactly, So that's
Speaker 2: what he did.
Speaker 1: He's down below and he waited.
Speaker 2: Shit.
Speaker 1: Sure enough, not long after, Thomas followed down to check
Speaker 1: on him and see if he's okay, and right behind
Speaker 1: him followed Skyler. Peke Skyler and JFK jumped Thomas and
Speaker 1: tackled him to the ground and using a taser, subdued him.
Speaker 1: Now that leaves I don't like that. Alonzo and Jackie Deck.
Speaker 1: Jackie heard the commotion down below. Shit, and that commotion
Speaker 1: was the sign for a Lonzo to take control of
Speaker 1: her using a taser as well. Wow, so now he
Speaker 1: subdued her and handcuffed her.
Speaker 2: See, I hate this, and they're freaking the middle of
Speaker 2: the goddamn ocean. This is why I'm not ever going
Speaker 2: in the ocean.
Speaker 1: This is why this is the reason specifically, So I
Speaker 1: don't get tased in handcuffed.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, and then you you're fucked.
Speaker 1: Yeah, if you ever go in the ocean, you're gonna
Speaker 1: get You're you're gonna get jumped by JFK. That's your fear.
Speaker 1: That is a fear and a half JFK specifically.
Speaker 2: Holy, Okay, So this okay. So they're both basically like
Speaker 2: subdued and tasered yep.
Speaker 1: And Jackie's handcuffed and she's handcuffed. I'm assuming too something
Speaker 1: because a Lonzo is ordered by Skyler to go to
Speaker 1: the engine room and get duct tape, and from there
Speaker 1: they duct tape both of them. They bind them. They're
Speaker 1: buying their hands and their legs enough that they can
Speaker 1: just walk a little bit, but they're duct tape up tight,
Speaker 1: including across their eyes and mouth.
Speaker 2: I just hate that visual.
Speaker 1: So once they were bound, they were placed on the
Speaker 1: bed and then Skyler went to the GPS on board
Speaker 1: the boat and put in coordinates for the deepest part
Speaker 1: of the nearby ocean at Catalina Island. Of course, then
Speaker 1: the Hawks were one at a time, led to the
Speaker 1: kitchen and were forced to sign the power of attorney
Speaker 1: they were told if they did, they would get to live,
Speaker 1: and if they didn't, they would be killed right then
Speaker 1: and there.
Speaker 2: Oh guaranteed you'd get killed either way.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So both Jackie and Thomas signed the power of attorney.
Speaker 2: Yep, I mean you have to, really, what else would
Speaker 2: you do?
Speaker 1: One really cool thing. I'm gonna say here. Jackie is
Speaker 1: our badass of the day for this is she What
Speaker 1: did she do while signing the power of attorney? I said,
Speaker 1: everything on its legit right, Yeah, fingerprints did something?
Speaker 2: What did she do?
Speaker 1: Not? Everything was legit?
Speaker 2: What did she do?
Speaker 1: Their last name is hawks h A W K S. Okay,
Speaker 1: she didn't sign her full name. She signed Jackie Hawk,
Speaker 1: signaling something wasn't right. So investigators, handwriting experts all that
Speaker 1: could see that the S was forged. So they believe
Speaker 1: Jackie was trying to signal someone that this is a
Speaker 1: whole fucked up situation.
Speaker 2: Seriously, But then these people added the S after they
Speaker 2: did Really, yep, that's interesting, okay, I do I find
Speaker 2: that actually interesting that they would have noticed that I
Speaker 2: do too and added it like I actually almost like wow.
Speaker 2: So huh.
Speaker 1: Once they arrived at the destination that was put into
Speaker 1: the GPS the deepest sea, Thomas and Jackie were led
Speaker 1: to the deck of the boat, still bound with duct
Speaker 1: tape no where. Skyler dragged the chain from the anchor
Speaker 1: across the deck of their beloved Well Deserved and began
Speaker 1: to secure both of them to the chain with rope.
Speaker 2: Shit, did he at least kill them first? I don't
Speaker 2: know what would be better.
Speaker 1: The entire time Jackie was begging, saying, please, well, kill us,
Speaker 1: I want to see my grandson one more time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because you guys are fucking assholes.
Speaker 1: And the entire time Thomas was just trying to calm
Speaker 1: her down, keep her crying.
Speaker 2: Oh no, and.
Speaker 1: Thomas reassured her. And this is a quote from Alonso.
Speaker 1: He said that Thomas was telling her this at least
Speaker 1: will be together.
Speaker 2: Oh no, like ouch, oh my freaking heart, it just hurts.
Speaker 1: So then it hurts. Skuyler, without even any remorse, threw
Speaker 1: the anchor overboard, the chain quickly dragging across the deck
Speaker 1: as it sank, and Thomas and Jackie hawk waited their
Speaker 1: last moments above water as they heard the frantic clanking
Speaker 1: of the chain rushing off the deck before it finally
Speaker 1: grabbed their bounds. And slung them off the boat into
Speaker 1: the cold water. There thirty six hundred feet down to
Speaker 1: the bottom of the ocean, Thomas and Jackie Hawk met
Speaker 1: their grave and to this day their bodies have never
Speaker 1: been recovered.
Speaker 2: Oh no, I was just like, that's some Titanic shit
Speaker 2: right there. Yeah, that's freaking sad. They didn't kill them first.
Speaker 1: It didn't kill them first, they just thw And a
Speaker 1: little morbid fact about drowning for.
Speaker 2: You, Oh, I really really really don't know if.
Speaker 1: I want to know, can take up to ten minutes
Speaker 1: before a person is clinically clinically dead. The average person
Speaker 1: can hold their breath for about thirty seconds after the
Speaker 1: body's reflexes kicks in. It tries to breathe, and you
Speaker 1: inhale water and can remain conscious inhaling, gasping, choking, Your
Speaker 1: throat closes off to try and keep water out for
Speaker 1: up to two minutes before you pass out.
Speaker 2: Thanks, thanks for that shit.
Speaker 1: Welcome. It's not a true crime podcast if I don't
Speaker 1: put in the facts like that brutal.
Speaker 2: So you're like struggling for a long fucking time.
Speaker 1: And imagine being like in that situation where you're frantic
Speaker 1: and like Jackie's bawling. Imagine trying to hold your breath
Speaker 1: while your anxiety is that high and your.
Speaker 2: Ball Oh and you probably have like ten seconds.
Speaker 1: I doubt she even could have held a breath at all.
Speaker 2: Oh no, okay, well, what was the point of all this? Like,
Speaker 2: what the hell?
Speaker 1: Well? Skyler, Alonzo and JFK and Jennifer were all arrested
Speaker 1: and they were put on trial. While in jail, Skyler,
Speaker 1: as it turns out, was a suspect for a previous
Speaker 1: murder in Mexico and was being investigated for a third
Speaker 1: murder where a man by the name of John Jarviy
Speaker 1: died and had his throat cut. While in prison, Skyler
Speaker 1: actually revealed that a gender reassignment surgery was a high
Speaker 1: on their priority list for him. That was the motive
Speaker 1: money for a reassignment. Skyler had a surgery booked for
Speaker 1: two weeks after the disappearance of the Hawks and would
Speaker 1: have cost seventeen thousand dollars, but they didn't have the money.
Speaker 2: Okay, what do you mean? I'm confused? Like he wanted
Speaker 2: to change his gender so that he could get away
Speaker 2: with the crimes.
Speaker 1: No, Schylar used to go by he and I didn't
Speaker 1: tell you about this because I didn't want to. It
Speaker 1: would have messed up the story, the confusion. Yes, and
Speaker 1: it's the motive I wouldn't want to tell you that.
Speaker 1: So Skyler actually doesn't go by he. Skyler is now she.
Speaker 1: Skyler is she. So we are going to refer to
Speaker 1: Skyler as she from here on out. Okay. I did
Speaker 1: know that the whole time through, and I tried to
Speaker 1: do my best to say he, but and I don't
Speaker 1: want to. I just want to point this out. I'm
Speaker 1: not going to refer to Skyler as she to respect Skyler,
Speaker 1: Fuck Skyler. I'm going to refer to Skyler as she
Speaker 1: to respect the people out there who are struggling with
Speaker 1: transgender and to support them, just saying.
Speaker 2: So she's with Jennifer and Jennifer was pregnant, right, yes, Okay.
Speaker 1: So while in prison, Skyler was actually so desperate that
Speaker 1: she tried to cut off her own manhood that I'm
Speaker 1: sure it would feel pretty bad, especially when it was
Speaker 1: with a razor blade.
Speaker 2: Oh shit.
Speaker 1: Oh so this is an angering part. Actually, because of this,
Speaker 1: taxpayers have now actually paid for the surgery. Skyler has
Speaker 1: now gone through the transition through taxpayers money while in
Speaker 1: jail because of this and because of like the mental
Speaker 1: health issues and their current state. So that kind of
Speaker 1: fucking pisses me off because there's people who like deserve
Speaker 1: it or earn it, where Skylar fucking.
Speaker 2: Just got it handed.
Speaker 1: So I'm trying to go through this pretty quick. We're
Speaker 1: almost there, I know.
Speaker 2: Can I just say, like, oh, really quickly? So like
Speaker 2: they just saw these these people's ads ad and it
Speaker 2: probably was like they have money, and so they just
Speaker 2: like plan this whole thing out, yep.
Speaker 1: So they can get money, set out of debt, maybe
Speaker 1: have a boat they could live on, get out of
Speaker 1: the garage, and Skyler could get it get the surgery
Speaker 1: gender assignments.
Speaker 2: That is some wild motives.
Speaker 1: Okay, one little tidbit I didn't actually say, Actually I
Speaker 1: wasn't going to, but I'm going to now just to
Speaker 1: show how heartless Skyler was. On the way back from
Speaker 1: throwing Thomas and Jackie overboard, he was throwing their personal
Speaker 1: effects overboard anything he didn't want to keep, she didn't
Speaker 1: want to keep, sorry, and decided that it was a
Speaker 1: great time to fish on the way back.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, just sounds like a monster, Like an
Speaker 2: actual monster. Yes, that's so disgusting.
Speaker 1: So November seventeenth, two thousand and six, Jennifer was found
Speaker 1: guilty on two accounts of first degree murder and was
Speaker 1: sentenced to two life terms without the possibility of parole.
Speaker 2: Good fuck yeah, still in jail.
Speaker 1: I'm hoping without possibility of parole some yeah, oh.
Speaker 2: Without Oh yeah, see right away, I just assumed we're
Speaker 2: gonna be album like five ten years.
Speaker 1: February nineteenth, two thousand and nine, John Fitzgerald Kennedy aka
Speaker 1: JFK was found guilty on two accounts of first degree
Speaker 1: murder and on May one nine, was sentenced to death.
Speaker 1: Oh you got the death penalty.
Speaker 2: They still have the death penalty down there, I guess.
Speaker 2: So interesting.
Speaker 1: Alonzo mc chain, who was the one who told the
Speaker 1: whole story okay and was promised, you know, a reduced sentence.
Speaker 2: Well yeah, they probably had some sort.
Speaker 1: Of deal, yep, was given said lesser sentence for his
Speaker 1: cooperation and was and he pleaded guilty to two accounts
Speaker 1: of voluntary manslaughter, kidnapping, and robbery. On June fifteenth, two
Speaker 1: thousand and nine. He was sentenced to twenty years and
Speaker 1: four months. His first eligible for parole is September of
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one, so not very far away.
Speaker 2: So this could be in the news soon really yeap.
Speaker 1: On October twentieth, two thousand and eight, Skuylar Delhion was
Speaker 1: convicted of three accounts of first degree murder because remember
Speaker 1: there was that third oh that on trial four?
Speaker 2: Right? Like who else died? But yeah, I remember, with.
Speaker 1: Special circumstance, dances of financial gain and multiple victims. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna read that sentence again because I totally boy, I
Speaker 1: got it. So Skyler jell yone was convicted of three
Speaker 1: accounts of first degree murder with special circumstances for financial
Speaker 1: gain and multiple victims, and on November sixth, two thousand
Speaker 1: and eight, the jury rendered a verdict. Skyler was found
Speaker 1: guilty and sentenced to death.
Speaker 2: Okay, I was like, if that other guy was sentenced,
Speaker 2: this one has to be. She does. Wow. Okay, so
Speaker 2: are they dead? I wonder?
Speaker 1: No, I didn't look that up. Shit, I should look
Speaker 1: that up right now.
Speaker 2: Okay, let's do it.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go on my phone here because it's faster
Speaker 1: than my tablet. Okay, let's see. Let's give it a.
Speaker 2: Quick Google because lots of times, even with like who
Speaker 2: just died again?
Speaker 1: Oh that's something I should have talked about the beginning, Yeah, Rodney, right,
Speaker 1: Rodney Alcala.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and like honestly should have already had been executed, yeah,
Speaker 2: like law ago.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So the fact that they just got to just die
Speaker 2: like natural or whatever causes is like, what the hell?
Speaker 1: So Skyler je Leone is still alive and is now
Speaker 1: at the age of forty.
Speaker 2: One, of course, why the hell is she not executed yet? Yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't know, Like it takes a long time. Ehe
Speaker 2: there must be like so many processes you have to
Speaker 2: go through or something for that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a little ridiculous because, like you say, Rodney
Speaker 1: Alcala was on death row for how many years? Die
Speaker 1: natural causes? I mean, he should have been killed. He
Speaker 1: should have been gone from this world at least he's
Speaker 1: gone now. But now there's no like retribution for that family,
Speaker 1: you know, and who knows the same sort of thing
Speaker 1: could happen to Skyler. She could sit on death row
Speaker 1: for who knows how many years and die of natural cause.
Speaker 2: Which is sad because like those lovely people had children, Yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, like they left behind like oh, gosh, like,
Speaker 2: go spend time with their grandkid and that's just brutal.
Speaker 1: It's crazy. These people are trash scrawls. You trash, Jennifer,
Speaker 1: you trash. Alonso not as much a trash, but you
Speaker 1: still trash, still trash, and JFK you trash, trash all
Speaker 1: of them. You're nasty, You nasty, all right? That I
Speaker 1: think that's officially our longest episode you've ever done.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it was interesting. I mean, like I needed
Speaker 2: to know, I had like we had to.
Speaker 1: There was a lot of information. It was a big
Speaker 1: old spider web and tangle mess yep of stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I honestly just don't feel that great about it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's people like this make me sick.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like that's freaking sad. God, I don't think I'm
Speaker 2: going to sell my car in the newspaper. That shit's
Speaker 2: just getting traded in the dealership.
Speaker 1: If you do sell it in the driveway, you know,
Speaker 1: to privately or whatever like that, maybe just have a
Speaker 1: baseball bat at your side something.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all my wolf husky rim beside me?
Speaker 1: Yeah, what was she going to do? Pet me?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Pet me? Love me?
Speaker 1: All right, guys, thanks for sticking around for over an hour.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was good and I.
Speaker 1: Hope you enjoyed the episode, Babe, I hope you guys
Speaker 1: enjoyed the episode.
Speaker 2: Thanks for listening everyone, man, stay wicked.