WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.360 --> 00:00:02.520 Is it nine o'clock yet, Roz do we know? All right? 2 00:00:02.600 --> 00:00:05.160 Ross is checking. I think it's nine, So we're just 3 00:00:05.160 --> 00:00:08.919 gonna go ahead and uh uh oh no, it's six 4 00:00:09.000 --> 00:00:13.240 o six, all right, that's what I'm being told. So 5 00:00:13.560 --> 00:00:17.039 I was just sitting here reading kind of the uh 6 00:00:17.440 --> 00:00:23.600 the rundown, Yeah, the rundown on this, on this whole 7 00:00:23.600 --> 00:00:28.600 situation with the Natalie Samantha, which I don't still understand 8 00:00:28.600 --> 00:00:31.879 why she called herself Samantha, but whatever, Uh they shoot 9 00:00:31.879 --> 00:00:36.640 her up in Madison, Wisconsin. Man, and uh, apparently they're 10 00:00:36.679 --> 00:00:43.159 going the bullying route, which again I don't know, could 11 00:00:43.200 --> 00:00:48.679 be They're they're looking into it though. The amount of 12 00:00:51.079 --> 00:00:59.000 red flags though, okay, uh is pretty staggering. Like when 13 00:00:59.039 --> 00:01:02.640 you look at and I understand kids these days, and 14 00:01:02.679 --> 00:01:05.159 there's even a term for this, and I can't I 15 00:01:05.200 --> 00:01:08.519 don't remember what it is, but basically, when it comes 16 00:01:08.560 --> 00:01:13.200 to like social media accounts, where like if a kid 17 00:01:13.280 --> 00:01:16.599 may have their actual account, right, the one that they 18 00:01:16.680 --> 00:01:19.159 interact with their friends with, and then they have the 19 00:01:19.200 --> 00:01:24.319 one the parents think they have, and you know it, look, admittedly, 20 00:01:25.719 --> 00:01:28.680 parents are at a bit of a disadvantage depending on 21 00:01:28.760 --> 00:01:31.719 what the social media account is as they may not 22 00:01:31.840 --> 00:01:38.920 fully understand it, not use it. I don't know the 23 00:01:39.000 --> 00:01:43.040 nuances of TikTok. I really don't. I don't use it. 24 00:01:44.400 --> 00:01:46.280 They you know, they they're like, oh, you guys should 25 00:01:46.280 --> 00:01:49.120 have a TikTok account for the show. Well, Ross and 26 00:01:49.159 --> 00:01:51.760 I had an executive meeting and it was no. And 27 00:01:51.760 --> 00:01:54.480 by executive meeting, we just like, no, we're not not. 28 00:01:55.040 --> 00:01:57.599 So I don't even understand all the nuances of TikTok. 29 00:01:57.680 --> 00:02:02.359 And I'm okay with that. Point this out because there 30 00:02:02.400 --> 00:02:07.799 are a lot of people that are wanting the father 31 00:02:09.319 --> 00:02:13.120 charge in some way, shape or form. Because one of 32 00:02:13.120 --> 00:02:16.759 the things that you can see in the social media 33 00:02:17.080 --> 00:02:21.800 is a like he took her to a range, and 34 00:02:21.840 --> 00:02:24.400 there's some photos that emerged of her who and it 35 00:02:24.400 --> 00:02:26.439 looks like what is I can't tell what she's shooting 36 00:02:26.479 --> 00:02:32.759 in this photo. It's a little hard to tell. She 37 00:02:32.840 --> 00:02:35.719 looks she's shooting. She's shooting trap is what it looks like. 38 00:02:35.840 --> 00:02:39.120 But I just I want to be a monthly clear here. 39 00:02:39.759 --> 00:02:42.439 And you what you see is you see people comment 40 00:02:42.560 --> 00:02:46.439 on this photo of her because she has the she's 41 00:02:46.479 --> 00:02:50.879 got the the I call the Fannie pack. When I'm 42 00:02:50.960 --> 00:02:53.240 joking around with my friends if we're shooting trap. But 43 00:02:54.159 --> 00:02:57.199 she essentially she has the the little pouch for all 44 00:02:57.240 --> 00:03:01.800 the rounds, you know, buckled around her her. She's in 45 00:03:01.879 --> 00:03:06.240 a ready pose. There. Uh, there's a comment by somebody 46 00:03:06.280 --> 00:03:08.639 who's like, hey, is that the youngion? Is that the kid? 47 00:03:08.759 --> 00:03:10.479 I can't remember how they word it, but you know, 48 00:03:10.520 --> 00:03:12.960 And then you have like this proud papa statement. It's like, 49 00:03:13.080 --> 00:03:21.800 sure is man? Sure is? I love? How many of 50 00:03:21.840 --> 00:03:24.280 you have sent me the bear story? I am all 51 00:03:24.319 --> 00:03:26.759 over it. Don't you worry? I got you? I got you. 52 00:03:28.520 --> 00:03:32.080 I love that. That's the uh if I that you 53 00:03:32.199 --> 00:03:35.000 have come to expect that if there's a bare story, 54 00:03:35.080 --> 00:03:36.560 we're going to do it, and we are going to 55 00:03:36.599 --> 00:03:39.199 do it. Don't you worry? Okay, I got it. So 56 00:03:39.240 --> 00:03:41.879 anyway back to this, so you have like this proud 57 00:03:42.000 --> 00:03:46.599 papa exchange with somebody like is that is that the youngion? 58 00:03:46.680 --> 00:03:46.759 Is? 59 00:03:46.759 --> 00:03:49.800 That? Is that? The is that the kid? Sure is 60 00:03:49.919 --> 00:03:56.039 so proud? Like now now you have people like, well, 61 00:03:56.080 --> 00:03:59.800 he taught her to shoot, so obviously he needs to 62 00:03:59.800 --> 00:04:03.840 go to jail a lot like what you saw with 63 00:04:04.039 --> 00:04:08.280 the wish the Michigan student. Right, well, if the parents 64 00:04:08.319 --> 00:04:13.240 had access to a firearm, and I guess I kind 65 00:04:13.280 --> 00:04:15.400 of get the impression that this is where we're going 66 00:04:15.479 --> 00:04:17.920 to have to figure out what the what the dividing 67 00:04:17.959 --> 00:04:21.199 line is. Just because you taught your kid how to 68 00:04:21.199 --> 00:04:24.639 shoot doesn't mean you have some sort of culpability for them. 69 00:04:24.680 --> 00:04:28.560 If they carry out a horrendous act, Well, they had 70 00:04:28.600 --> 00:04:34.319 access to the to the nine millimeter, Okay, explain it 71 00:04:34.360 --> 00:04:37.879 to me and explain it how they had access that 72 00:04:38.279 --> 00:04:40.839 they wouldn't have had access. You know, if they wanted 73 00:04:40.879 --> 00:04:44.279 to do this to another firearm, you would, I because 74 00:04:44.759 --> 00:04:49.480 what people want to do is if somebody and this 75 00:04:49.519 --> 00:04:52.160 would extend beyond school shootings, right, you have to look 76 00:04:52.199 --> 00:04:55.160 at the slippery slope of this stuff they want to go. 77 00:04:55.240 --> 00:04:59.040 All right, Well, if if somebody who's a minor has 78 00:04:59.160 --> 00:05:03.600 access to this or has access to a firearm, and 79 00:05:03.720 --> 00:05:09.319 they do anything, then we need to charge them. Is 80 00:05:09.360 --> 00:05:14.519 that is that a parameter you're comfortable with? Like, because 81 00:05:14.800 --> 00:05:17.079 you know, a fifteen year old who may not have 82 00:05:17.160 --> 00:05:21.040 a driver's license might have access to your keys. What 83 00:05:21.120 --> 00:05:24.120 if they take your keys? Go, I don't know, go out, 84 00:05:24.319 --> 00:05:29.319 consume some some substance of some sort, and careen into somebody. 85 00:05:29.319 --> 00:05:34.399 Do you have a liability because you left your keys around. Oh, 86 00:05:34.439 --> 00:05:36.199 people go, well, well, the car keys are not the 87 00:05:36.240 --> 00:05:41.360 same as firearms. I agree with you kind of kind of, 88 00:05:45.240 --> 00:05:50.199 but ultimately, like like I had in my house growing up, 89 00:05:50.279 --> 00:05:53.800 we didn't have a gun safe per se. We had it, 90 00:05:53.879 --> 00:05:56.519 we did eventually, but we didn't have a gun like 91 00:05:56.560 --> 00:05:58.160 one of the big guns saves like the one I 92 00:05:58.240 --> 00:06:02.120 have now. Because you know you're out in the who's 93 00:06:02.120 --> 00:06:04.439 gonna break in? Who's dumb enough to break into a 94 00:06:04.519 --> 00:06:06.800 rancher's house in Wyoming? And the answer is not a 95 00:06:06.879 --> 00:06:14.879 lot of people is that you're just practice, So myself 96 00:06:14.959 --> 00:06:17.360 or one of my siblings, and then I ended up 97 00:06:17.439 --> 00:06:21.120 I got a gun cabinet very similar to the one 98 00:06:21.120 --> 00:06:24.360 that my mom had. Uh. And it's a glass it's 99 00:06:24.399 --> 00:06:27.279 glass in front, right, it's a it's a wood monstrosity. 100 00:06:27.279 --> 00:06:29.959 It's got glass in front. Yeah, it has a locking case. 101 00:06:30.480 --> 00:06:32.639 And my mom got it for me because she wanted 102 00:06:32.639 --> 00:06:35.279 to teach me about firearm storage. But you know the 103 00:06:35.319 --> 00:06:38.199 fact is that any of my three siblings with an 104 00:06:38.240 --> 00:06:41.959 elbow or you know, a stapler, just something with any 105 00:06:42.399 --> 00:06:46.759 something that could break glass, would have access to a shotgun. 106 00:06:46.920 --> 00:06:52.959 A German Mauser A twenty two Marlin. I guess that 107 00:06:52.959 --> 00:06:55.439 would be the three Those are my three first guns, 108 00:06:55.480 --> 00:07:01.199 pretty standard, right, little Mossberg, little Mauser, little Marlin. And 109 00:07:01.319 --> 00:07:04.319 they could literally get a rock from outside or something 110 00:07:04.360 --> 00:07:06.160 hard in the house and then have access to it. 111 00:07:07.240 --> 00:07:12.360 Does that mean that people have culpability for murder? And 112 00:07:12.399 --> 00:07:14.120 I feel like people are wanting to go there, and 113 00:07:14.160 --> 00:07:17.560 I don't know the answer to that. I don't know 114 00:07:17.600 --> 00:07:19.800 what that looks like. Because don't get me wrong, when 115 00:07:19.879 --> 00:07:23.120 it comes to when it comes to firearms, there is 116 00:07:23.160 --> 00:07:28.279 a responsibility. But the question becomes like, like what do 117 00:07:28.360 --> 00:07:32.079 you need to know before you have some criminal liability? 118 00:07:32.079 --> 00:07:33.560 And I feel like we're going to go down this 119 00:07:33.680 --> 00:07:36.160 road again, and maybe, just maybe we should have a 120 00:07:36.199 --> 00:07:42.000 conversation about this. If you own a firearm and somebody 121 00:07:42.120 --> 00:07:45.879 in within your household is able to access that firearm, 122 00:07:46.279 --> 00:07:49.199 and let's say they're able to access it without you know, 123 00:07:49.279 --> 00:07:51.959 a traditional B and E method, like they go to 124 00:07:52.040 --> 00:07:54.199 your room, they know where you hide it, they grab it, 125 00:07:54.240 --> 00:07:58.879 they go do something. Do you have criminal liability? Because 126 00:07:58.920 --> 00:08:01.360 this is the next step up with the gun grabbers. 127 00:08:01.439 --> 00:08:03.680 Just so just so we're clear here, and I know 128 00:08:03.720 --> 00:08:05.199 some of you were horrified, but I don't want to 129 00:08:05.199 --> 00:08:07.959 hear anything out of your face because you're doing this. 130 00:08:08.399 --> 00:08:12.480 Oh we you know, the the Biden I don't know 131 00:08:12.480 --> 00:08:16.000 if it probably wasn't Biden, but the White House issued it. 132 00:08:16.040 --> 00:08:18.600 Think we got to do something about the guns. And 133 00:08:18.600 --> 00:08:22.560 then they proceed to start talking about assault weapons, which 134 00:08:22.800 --> 00:08:28.319 is not a nine millimeters pistol but whatever under their standard, right, 135 00:08:28.360 --> 00:08:30.720 because nothing is really an assault weapon unless you assault 136 00:08:30.759 --> 00:08:33.519 somebody with it. But you know what I mean. And 137 00:08:33.559 --> 00:08:37.080 they want to have that a conversation that they didn't 138 00:08:37.159 --> 00:08:40.440 want to get into after that Healthcare CEO was killed. 139 00:08:41.080 --> 00:08:44.279 So that's a little weird. Huh, you're so against guns 140 00:08:44.360 --> 00:08:48.480 unless it's I don't know, shooting CEOs. So I don't 141 00:08:48.519 --> 00:08:52.000 take them very seriously. But I do take seriously case 142 00:08:52.080 --> 00:08:57.000 law right, and yeah, people are like, well, you gotta 143 00:08:57.080 --> 00:09:01.080 charge the parents. Why why do you have to charge 144 00:09:01.120 --> 00:09:05.759 the parents? Can you show me something that was negligent 145 00:09:05.879 --> 00:09:11.960 or derelict? I mean what I see there? Because people 146 00:09:11.960 --> 00:09:13.519 are like, oh my gosh, look at this picture of 147 00:09:13.600 --> 00:09:15.919 hurt the range. Can you believe it? Yes? I can, 148 00:09:16.639 --> 00:09:20.559 because that was me. If this is me at fifteen 149 00:09:21.480 --> 00:09:25.039 going out there, give me two. Flip one upside down 150 00:09:25.120 --> 00:09:26.440 just to see if I can hit it. Those of 151 00:09:26.480 --> 00:09:29.240 you who shoot trapper skie, you know what I'm talking about. 152 00:09:29.960 --> 00:09:32.720 Take the take the if you got a laundry, flip 153 00:09:32.720 --> 00:09:34.960 the thing upside down to screw with your buddy, because 154 00:09:35.000 --> 00:09:36.639 you can't see the orange as well. It's got a 155 00:09:36.639 --> 00:09:40.799 weird flight, right. I never murdered everyone in a class 156 00:09:40.879 --> 00:09:44.799 or in a study hall, So what's the liability there. 157 00:09:45.120 --> 00:09:48.679 And if you are somebody who is a gun activist 158 00:09:48.759 --> 00:09:51.000 and you can't do things the way that you want 159 00:09:51.039 --> 00:09:53.360 to do it, this is how you now go about it, 160 00:09:55.559 --> 00:09:57.000 because what you want to do is you want to 161 00:09:57.000 --> 00:09:59.600 create a chilling effect. Oh, you have kids in the house, 162 00:09:59.600 --> 00:10:01.879 you better have firearms, because if one of your kids 163 00:10:01.919 --> 00:10:03.799 does something with one of the firearms, you're gonna go 164 00:10:03.799 --> 00:10:07.399 to jail for the rest of your life. I'm just 165 00:10:07.440 --> 00:10:09.799 I'm just warning you. This is where this is going 166 00:10:10.879 --> 00:10:15.279 based on what I'm seeing out there, Okay, all right? 167 00:10:15.320 --> 00:10:18.480 Eight eight eight nine three four seven eight seven four. However, 168 00:10:19.120 --> 00:10:22.559 I'm also somebody who thinks that you have a responsibility 169 00:10:23.120 --> 00:10:24.840 but you have kids in the house or not you, 170 00:10:25.720 --> 00:10:33.559 but you have responsibility for for being a responsible firearm 171 00:10:33.600 --> 00:10:36.240 owner in the same way that you have responsibility for 172 00:10:36.320 --> 00:10:42.879 being a responsible automobile owner. Right, don't get drunk, don't 173 00:10:42.960 --> 00:10:46.600 drive around texting and drive like. These are all things 174 00:10:46.639 --> 00:10:50.320 that are out there, and people will argue, well, in 175 00:10:50.360 --> 00:10:54.039 those situations you just talked about that, there's you know, 176 00:10:54.080 --> 00:10:56.759 we have criminal liability for those things. If you drunk driving, 177 00:10:56.759 --> 00:11:00.840 your charge. If you're negligent or distracted having you get charged. 178 00:11:01.159 --> 00:11:05.159 But the difference is here, we're talking about a secondary individual. 179 00:11:07.519 --> 00:11:10.399 So what responsibility do you have if your kid goes 180 00:11:10.480 --> 00:11:14.840 and does something? Also, are you going to charge just 181 00:11:15.559 --> 00:11:18.360 parents of school shootings or are you going to charge 182 00:11:18.440 --> 00:11:22.279 kids who may get caught with a firearm committing some 183 00:11:22.440 --> 00:11:25.799 sort of crime for I don't know, gang initiation or 184 00:11:26.799 --> 00:11:31.759 you know, pick what it is. And I don't know 185 00:11:31.879 --> 00:11:34.000 the answer to that, but I know that there's a 186 00:11:34.039 --> 00:11:35.639 lot of people who look at this and go, yeah, 187 00:11:35.720 --> 00:11:37.960 that's a way to create a chilling effect right there. 188 00:11:38.879 --> 00:11:42.720 And maybe they're right. Let me a devil's advocate here, 189 00:11:43.399 --> 00:11:46.039 Maybe they're right. If you're not going to store them 190 00:11:46.240 --> 00:11:49.240 in a manner that your fifteen year old can't access, 191 00:11:50.759 --> 00:11:55.320 do you have criminal liability? The problem is they're going 192 00:11:55.360 --> 00:11:57.320 to be very selective in where they want to go 193 00:11:57.399 --> 00:12:06.120 ahead and actually have this conversation they're gonna and then 194 00:12:06.200 --> 00:12:10.159 we we we get into a we get into a 195 00:12:10.240 --> 00:12:16.279 whole selective prosecution thing, right, like, oh, for this crime, this, well, 196 00:12:16.360 --> 00:12:18.399 why is it? How is this any different than some 197 00:12:18.600 --> 00:12:21.000 fifteen year old who decides to roll up and fire 198 00:12:21.000 --> 00:12:23.080 a bunch of shots as far as a drive by 199 00:12:25.879 --> 00:12:28.799 and just let's say it's not the parents firearm, but 200 00:12:28.879 --> 00:12:31.440 let's say that it reasonably should have been detected by 201 00:12:31.559 --> 00:12:35.799 parents if they were paying attention. Now is their criminal liability? 202 00:12:35.879 --> 00:12:37.519 You see where I'm going here? This is the this 203 00:12:37.720 --> 00:12:39.440 is the slippery slope stuff. And I don't know the 204 00:12:39.519 --> 00:12:43.399 answer to that, all right? Eight eight eight nine three 205 00:12:43.559 --> 00:12:46.440 four seven eight seven four all right? Coming up on 206 00:12:46.559 --> 00:12:49.919 the show, we got a bear hunting story kind of 207 00:12:50.759 --> 00:12:52.840 have a I have some questions about this. I saw 208 00:12:52.919 --> 00:13:00.159 this yesterday and it it left me wondering if this 209 00:13:00.360 --> 00:13:04.840 is someone I would bear hunt with. Probably not, but 210 00:13:05.600 --> 00:13:08.279 pretty wild out of Virginia. We'll get to that. And 211 00:13:09.519 --> 00:13:13.039 your calls just curious, like you see where this thing's going? 212 00:13:14.960 --> 00:13:18.120 Are you cool with parents? And and and how deep 213 00:13:18.200 --> 00:13:20.720 does it go just any parent where a firearm may 214 00:13:20.759 --> 00:13:26.480 have been accessed by a ute of some sort, did 215 00:13:26.559 --> 00:13:30.799 they have criminal liability or should they have shown signs? 216 00:13:31.240 --> 00:13:33.759 And and do parents know to look for all the signs? 217 00:13:33.840 --> 00:13:36.399 Like the one of the photos that was released yesterday, 218 00:13:37.120 --> 00:13:40.480 at the one at the shooting range, she's wearing a 219 00:13:40.720 --> 00:13:44.799 T shirt of this German band that was the favorite 220 00:13:44.840 --> 00:13:50.759 band of one of the Columbine shooters. And it's clear 221 00:13:50.960 --> 00:13:55.799 there's a fascination with one of the Columbine kids by 222 00:13:55.879 --> 00:13:58.600 this fifteen year old up in Madison, loves are some 223 00:13:58.679 --> 00:14:03.120 school shootings. Just looking at what she wrote and various 224 00:14:03.159 --> 00:14:07.519 interactions there. So if you're a parent and you don't 225 00:14:07.600 --> 00:14:13.159 notice that your kid's wearing a German scar scar, I 226 00:14:13.200 --> 00:14:16.279 don't even know what it is. A band, He's a 227 00:14:16.320 --> 00:14:21.799 punk band of some sort. If they're wearing that shirt, like, 228 00:14:22.759 --> 00:14:24.840 what's your due diligence to go? Oh? Wait, doesn't that 229 00:14:24.919 --> 00:14:26.720 the shirt for the Columnbike or is not the band 230 00:14:26.799 --> 00:14:28.919 the Columnbike kid likes? Like, I don't know that parents 231 00:14:28.960 --> 00:14:33.039 are notstily gonna know that when we struggle as adults, 232 00:14:33.080 --> 00:14:36.960 as older adults, anyway to know what's going on in 233 00:14:37.080 --> 00:14:41.440 pop culture at large, like you just look at the 234 00:14:41.480 --> 00:14:44.120 thing kids. My kid's got a band shirt on. I 235 00:14:44.200 --> 00:14:46.120 saw people that are like, oh, how did the parents 236 00:14:46.200 --> 00:14:49.720 not notice? Do you know all the music that your 237 00:14:49.799 --> 00:14:55.519 kids listen to? No, you don't, right, you probably have 238 00:14:55.600 --> 00:15:00.879 to google stuff. You're like, what is what's wap? You 239 00:15:00.960 --> 00:15:04.080 google that? You're like, oh, oh, dear god, But uh, 240 00:15:04.559 --> 00:15:06.480 you know, you don't know, or what's the what's the song? 241 00:15:06.600 --> 00:15:10.039 Or what's this band? And but like, you're not a 242 00:15:10.159 --> 00:15:14.360 You're not a criminal for not knowing this stuff. Ross 243 00:15:14.480 --> 00:15:16.919 is lucky because his kid likes to do wop or 244 00:15:17.600 --> 00:15:18.799 what's he into right now? 245 00:15:19.120 --> 00:15:19.799 The motown? 246 00:15:20.240 --> 00:15:21.080 Motown? Excuse me? 247 00:15:21.279 --> 00:15:21.440 Do it? 248 00:15:21.519 --> 00:15:21.559 Not? 249 00:15:21.639 --> 00:15:21.840 Do it? 250 00:15:22.120 --> 00:15:24.200 Like? So at least at least you can go back. 251 00:15:24.240 --> 00:15:28.720 You're like, oh, okay, motown. But like, if if your 252 00:15:28.799 --> 00:15:31.840 kid's into some you know, the the K pop, you 253 00:15:31.919 --> 00:15:36.480 can name a K pop singer. I can't. I have 254 00:15:36.600 --> 00:15:40.320 no idea. I'm assuming it's a it sounds it sounds 255 00:15:40.360 --> 00:15:42.200 like an Asian name. Other than that, I don't know. 256 00:15:44.200 --> 00:15:47.320 Then I don't know the answer to this. But if 257 00:15:47.320 --> 00:15:49.960 we're gonna go down this road, it's very clear that 258 00:15:50.519 --> 00:15:52.639 there need to be parameters, and maybe we have to 259 00:15:52.679 --> 00:15:54.919 have a discussion or maybe we just need to turn 260 00:15:54.960 --> 00:15:57.840 this into the next big fight, which is you know 261 00:15:58.159 --> 00:16:01.279 how we do these things? But uh, it needs to 262 00:16:01.360 --> 00:16:04.679 be had because I don't necessarily see irresponsibility there for 263 00:16:04.840 --> 00:16:07.759 not knowing what her what a band does. Anyway, we'll 264 00:16:07.799 --> 00:16:10.360 be back. Hang on, let's just say they skip some doozies. 265 00:16:10.559 --> 00:16:12.679 I think that with the moment they heard us, they 266 00:16:12.840 --> 00:16:15.600 decided months ago that this was going to be it 267 00:16:15.759 --> 00:16:18.159 and they didn't even consider it, which just shows you 268 00:16:18.279 --> 00:16:20.919 how broken all of our media is once again, and 269 00:16:21.039 --> 00:16:22.360 how they're all going to be out of a job. 270 00:16:22.480 --> 00:16:27.320 And I will not shed a tear, just I will 271 00:16:27.320 --> 00:16:33.159 shed zero tears because it is one thousand percent self inflicted. 272 00:16:33.919 --> 00:16:36.759 They can do. Trump's out there, he's denigrating what it 273 00:16:36.919 --> 00:16:39.919 is to be No, you guys denigrated it. He's just 274 00:16:40.039 --> 00:16:44.159 celebrating it, and you denigrade it every time you do 275 00:16:44.279 --> 00:16:47.559 crap like this, And some of you are learning, some 276 00:16:47.679 --> 00:16:50.200 of you pretending to learn, but most of you aren't. 277 00:16:51.879 --> 00:16:54.519 It's like the Wrio guy the other day. We kind 278 00:16:54.519 --> 00:16:56.159 of got it. I don't say we got into it 279 00:16:56.279 --> 00:16:59.039 necessarily because I thought at least we had a productive 280 00:16:59.080 --> 00:17:04.759 exchange where was Uh do you remember what I tweeted? 281 00:17:04.799 --> 00:17:07.519 When I think it was Andy Speck from w r 282 00:17:07.519 --> 00:17:10.759 E L. He's like, uh, how did you get this 283 00:17:11.000 --> 00:17:14.119 sourcing saying and I can't remember what the stat was? 284 00:17:14.440 --> 00:17:16.599 What was it was? But it was clearly not the 285 00:17:16.759 --> 00:17:19.519 point right it was? They're like, were there? 286 00:17:19.599 --> 00:17:20.079 Were there? 287 00:17:20.680 --> 00:17:23.200 He was like, how did you hear that this was 288 00:17:23.279 --> 00:17:25.960 a number? And it was something that was easily searchable 289 00:17:26.119 --> 00:17:29.680 from a meeting that happened in Nashville. And it's just like, Bro, 290 00:17:29.880 --> 00:17:33.640 you're spending your time as part of your PolitiFact duties 291 00:17:34.359 --> 00:17:36.400 sitting here and trying to figure out how a RANDO 292 00:17:36.559 --> 00:17:40.119 citizen on Twitter came to the conclusion that a certain 293 00:17:40.240 --> 00:17:44.200 number was an accurate representation of how many FEMA homes 294 00:17:44.279 --> 00:17:46.240 were built, which, by the way, it turned out to 295 00:17:46.319 --> 00:17:50.640 basically be an accurate representation by FEMA's own admission. But 296 00:17:50.799 --> 00:17:55.160 yet you're not using your your your resources to talk 297 00:17:55.240 --> 00:17:58.559 about how you don't investigate how FEMA's not doing their thing. 298 00:18:00.160 --> 00:18:03.359 Holy hell, what is wrong with you? And I think 299 00:18:03.400 --> 00:18:06.039 a lot of people had that And so when I 300 00:18:06.079 --> 00:18:08.799 look at this bolitifact thing, I'm not surprised what they 301 00:18:08.920 --> 00:18:10.599 chose for the lie of the year. But I can, 302 00:18:10.720 --> 00:18:13.839 in my mind immediately understand how they arrived at it. 303 00:18:14.359 --> 00:18:19.759 They saw something that they think was their best Trump 304 00:18:19.920 --> 00:18:23.519 is crazy or Trump is an idiot. Thing one it's 305 00:18:26.000 --> 00:18:30.559 is it a lie? Prove to me that it's a lie, 306 00:18:31.759 --> 00:18:33.880 because a lot of people believe it to be true, 307 00:18:34.039 --> 00:18:38.519 including people from Haiti, or at the very least that 308 00:18:38.559 --> 00:18:41.359 it could be true. And even if it is a lie, 309 00:18:42.279 --> 00:18:44.720 is it the most impactful one or is it the 310 00:18:44.759 --> 00:18:49.680 biggest one of the year. We'll get to that momentarily. 311 00:18:49.759 --> 00:18:53.440 Let me grab a call on this, this story out 312 00:18:53.480 --> 00:18:57.920 of Wisconsin, and the question is going to become what 313 00:18:58.200 --> 00:19:01.440 liability does somebody have? And let's say, whether it's a 314 00:19:01.559 --> 00:19:03.720 parent and they have a fifteen year old and in 315 00:19:03.799 --> 00:19:09.000 this case in Madison, who there's clear evidence that her 316 00:19:09.079 --> 00:19:12.119 father took her to the shooting range. It's by the way, 317 00:19:12.200 --> 00:19:15.680 she looks to have decent form. Wait, so we obviously 318 00:19:15.880 --> 00:19:23.200 educated her on how to shoot trap And do parents 319 00:19:23.240 --> 00:19:27.119 have criminal liability if they're a teenager then is able 320 00:19:27.200 --> 00:19:30.440 to access a firearm? What level of and what level 321 00:19:30.519 --> 00:19:33.119 of protection like if you let's say you hit the 322 00:19:33.200 --> 00:19:36.799 firearm but they knew where you hit it. Or let's 323 00:19:36.799 --> 00:19:39.039 say that they figured out your where your key is, 324 00:19:39.240 --> 00:19:41.319 they stole your keys in the middle of the night 325 00:19:41.359 --> 00:19:43.400 and use the key to get a copy of the key, 326 00:19:43.480 --> 00:19:45.160 and then when they wanted the firearm, they were able 327 00:19:45.200 --> 00:19:48.759 to access it. Do you have to have a liberty 328 00:19:49.079 --> 00:19:52.359 you know, a giant, unmovable liberty safe on your property? 329 00:19:53.079 --> 00:19:56.519 Can you put it into a simple Can you put 330 00:19:56.519 --> 00:20:02.119 a simple you know, breech lock in there? Well, do 331 00:20:02.240 --> 00:20:04.039 they know where you're Do they know where your bolt 332 00:20:04.079 --> 00:20:05.839 cutters are? Because then they can go ahead and cut 333 00:20:05.880 --> 00:20:09.920 into that thing. And it's I'm just saying that it's 334 00:20:09.960 --> 00:20:13.440 going to be a fight because people who are anti 335 00:20:13.640 --> 00:20:17.960 gun they don't care how they get there. They if 336 00:20:18.000 --> 00:20:20.920 they can inconvenience you to the point where you just 337 00:20:20.960 --> 00:20:23.000 don't want to take the chance and therefore you don't 338 00:20:23.000 --> 00:20:27.920 buy guns, then they've won their argument. They don't need 339 00:20:28.000 --> 00:20:29.880 a law to tell you can't do it if you 340 00:20:30.079 --> 00:20:32.799 just don't do it in practice. And I don't know, 341 00:20:33.000 --> 00:20:35.960 but also I see things where there's clear liability right 342 00:20:37.400 --> 00:20:39.880 where you know your kid just had thirty six visits 343 00:20:39.920 --> 00:20:42.000 from the sheriff's office and you're like, hey, let me 344 00:20:42.039 --> 00:20:44.000 get you another gun son, you keep it in your room. 345 00:20:44.680 --> 00:20:48.599 I know you keep threatening to kill your classmates, but 346 00:20:48.720 --> 00:20:52.519 it's okay, Like it's hard to argue that person shouldn't 347 00:20:52.519 --> 00:20:55.960 have liability. I don't know where it is, but you 348 00:20:56.039 --> 00:20:58.759 know where that line is is going to be part 349 00:20:58.880 --> 00:21:04.279 of the gun debate. Just so we're clear, all right, Chris, 350 00:21:04.440 --> 00:21:04.880 what's up? 351 00:21:07.160 --> 00:21:07.759 Good morning? 352 00:21:08.279 --> 00:21:09.279 Thanks for thinking my call? 353 00:21:09.680 --> 00:21:10.559 You bet sir? What's up? 354 00:21:10.799 --> 00:21:13.759 I haven't I haven't read anywhere where did the gun 355 00:21:13.880 --> 00:21:16.160 come from? I'm assuming probably the parent? 356 00:21:17.039 --> 00:21:17.240 Have you? 357 00:21:18.039 --> 00:21:20.599 Yeah? I don't. I don't know. I've seen reporting that 358 00:21:20.759 --> 00:21:23.640 they feel that nine millimeters may have been the father's. 359 00:21:23.759 --> 00:21:25.839 I don't know, but I'm just getting ahead of what 360 00:21:25.960 --> 00:21:28.240 I think the conversation is is. I don't think I 361 00:21:28.359 --> 00:21:31.720 know it's going to be so so do you think 362 00:21:31.759 --> 00:21:33.480 that you think dad has liability? 363 00:21:35.440 --> 00:21:35.680 Yeah? 364 00:21:37.119 --> 00:21:39.680 But but but we don't know if the gun was 365 00:21:39.759 --> 00:21:42.960 locked and she gained access to a locked firearm through uh, 366 00:21:43.759 --> 00:21:45.920 I don't know, spying on her dad or figuring out 367 00:21:45.920 --> 00:21:48.799 where he hid something. That's what this is what I'm 368 00:21:48.799 --> 00:21:51.400 trying to determine. This is what I'm trying to true. 369 00:21:51.440 --> 00:21:54.839 I've owned guns longer than you are, probably old, and 370 00:21:55.000 --> 00:21:57.559 I know exactly where everyone is that's locked with a 371 00:21:57.599 --> 00:22:02.640 fingerprint in a safe. And yeah, I mean you got 372 00:22:02.759 --> 00:22:05.440 to be responsible. These people got to be more responsible. 373 00:22:06.079 --> 00:22:07.920 I mean, that's all there is to it. If she 374 00:22:08.079 --> 00:22:10.920 got that, I mean, he should have had that thing 375 00:22:11.079 --> 00:22:14.680 secured beyond the shadow of an app well. 376 00:22:14.960 --> 00:22:17.799 And I'm just Devil's I'm just Devil's advocating here, sir, 377 00:22:17.880 --> 00:22:21.559 because like, I totally understand the position. But my mom 378 00:22:21.640 --> 00:22:23.759 allowed me access to firearms when I was a kid. 379 00:22:23.799 --> 00:22:26.039 I grew up on a cattle ranch, and it's like, 380 00:22:26.240 --> 00:22:28.559 if I see a coyote outside, there was an expect 381 00:22:29.119 --> 00:22:30.880 a cattle ranch, w get mad at you if you 382 00:22:30.920 --> 00:22:33.519 don't grease the coyote outside. Okay, yelled that by my 383 00:22:33.599 --> 00:22:35.519 neighbor for not shooting one on my way to school 384 00:22:35.559 --> 00:22:39.079 one day, because but she she was of the opinion 385 00:22:39.119 --> 00:22:42.640 that I was going to be responsible, and to this day, 386 00:22:42.799 --> 00:22:44.960 obviously I was. I didn't go, you know, shoot up 387 00:22:45.000 --> 00:22:50.079 a classroom. And legally I was allowed access to those 388 00:22:50.160 --> 00:22:53.599 firearms under the laws in the state of Wyoming, so 389 00:22:54.119 --> 00:22:56.640 you know, and if she didn't have any reason to 390 00:22:56.640 --> 00:22:58.799 believe I was going to shoot up my class, would 391 00:22:58.880 --> 00:23:02.480 she have had liability there for allowing me access to firearms. 392 00:23:03.680 --> 00:23:06.319 Well, I mean if you were legally allowed to use 393 00:23:06.400 --> 00:23:08.279 those firearms, no, she wouldn't be. 394 00:23:08.400 --> 00:23:14.000 But Wisconsin if a gun no, I understand that, and 395 00:23:14.400 --> 00:23:16.279 I may not have been legally I could like I could, 396 00:23:16.519 --> 00:23:20.240 I could own a non pistol at that time. Although 397 00:23:20.240 --> 00:23:24.119 I possessed pistols, and I literally possessed pistols within traffic stops. 398 00:23:24.160 --> 00:23:26.440 People played a little loose with the law. But I 399 00:23:26.559 --> 00:23:30.720 could legally possess without her there in the state of Wisconsin. 400 00:23:31.119 --> 00:23:33.480 If I was over the age of fourteen, I could 401 00:23:33.559 --> 00:23:36.440