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<v Speaker 1>You're listen Saints.

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<v Speaker 2>I Am six forty the bill Handle show on demand

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<v Speaker 1>AM six forty bill Handle. Here it is.

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<v Speaker 2>A Friday Foody Friday, February twenty one, and today at

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<v Speaker 2>thirty another segment of Amah and that's handle Anything, Ask

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<v Speaker 2>Me anything, some of the big stories.

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<v Speaker 1>We're looking at the story.

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<v Speaker 2>Of Yolanda Murdi, suspect in the stabbing death of her wife,

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<v Speaker 2>who is a San Diego cal Cal Fire Captain San

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<v Speaker 2>Diego Fire Captain Becky Morodi.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's a big, big story.

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<v Speaker 2>And then Israel officials say one of the four bodies

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<v Speaker 2>handed over by Hamas, who was one of them, was

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<v Speaker 2>supposed to be Shery Bibis, is not and she's the

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<v Speaker 2>mother of the two young children who were killed, whose

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<v Speaker 2>bodies were returned, one nine years old, when four years old.

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<v Speaker 2>Now in a case of nimbi, big nimby case, not

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<v Speaker 2>in my backyard. Yesterday I reported on the cry for

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<v Speaker 2>the residents of Palisades and the Altadena fire to ask

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<v Speaker 2>FEMA to do toxic testing on the debris that's being removed,

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<v Speaker 2>which the government has done virtually every single time. As

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<v Speaker 2>matter of fact, every single time, whenever there's a major

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<v Speaker 2>disaster of this kind of debris has to be removed.

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<v Speaker 2>FEMA said, no, not going to do it this time.

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<v Speaker 2>We are not going to do it. You want to

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<v Speaker 2>do it, you do it yourself. And one of the

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<v Speaker 2>arguments was that FEMA used is just going to slow

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<v Speaker 2>everything down.

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<v Speaker 1>Well argument number two.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, Southern California residents are protesting the decision to take

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<v Speaker 2>that toxic ash and debris from the Eaton and Palisades

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<v Speaker 2>fires and put them in the landfills right near occupied

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<v Speaker 2>areas where there is a population.

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<v Speaker 1>And so a protest took place in Calabasas.

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<v Speaker 2>Landfill in Grenada Hills near the Sunshine Canyon landfill. Why

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<v Speaker 2>because the argument is toxic chemicals could drift into the

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<v Speaker 2>neighborhood airborne dust or leech into the groundwater.

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<v Speaker 1>And all of these.

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<v Speaker 2>Landfills or populations or cities near these landfills proposed landfills

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<v Speaker 2>that are being used, are really upset about it because

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<v Speaker 2>they don't want to They want to know is the

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<v Speaker 2>groundwater going to be affected, is the air quality going

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<v Speaker 2>to be affected as the wind blows.

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<v Speaker 1>They don't know. They don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>Because the federal government won't do the testing now, FEMA

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<v Speaker 2>said of the state, everyone wants to do it.

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<v Speaker 1>God bless you. If you want to do it, go

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<v Speaker 1>ahead and do it.

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<v Speaker 2>In the meantime, we are carting away all of this

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<v Speaker 2>debris at our cost. This is what the government is saying.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's a big that's a big chunk of money

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<v Speaker 2>to do it on your own. So what's happening is

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<v Speaker 2>they're simply contracting with and going into various landfills with

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<v Speaker 2>all of this debris. And as you can imagine, you've

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<v Speaker 2>got the protests going all over the place. So the

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<v Speaker 2>protests aren't not just people. A matter of fact, in

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<v Speaker 2>one case in Calabasas or about a dozen or two

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<v Speaker 2>dozen people that stood in front of a dumb truck

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<v Speaker 2>of a huge eighteen wheeler that debris was being put

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<v Speaker 2>into and was going to be carted off to the

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<v Speaker 2>local landfill.

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<v Speaker 1>They should have just stood right in front of it.

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<v Speaker 2>Sheriffs came out this unincorporated area sheriff's came out and

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<v Speaker 2>said you got to move over were and to arrest you. You

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<v Speaker 2>they just stood pat They said, go ahead, arrest us.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, it was a standoff.

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<v Speaker 2>They weren't arrested, and after about an hour the truck

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<v Speaker 2>turns around, sort of their version of the Cuban missile crisis.

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<v Speaker 2>And so the number of these land fills that are

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<v Speaker 2>burying being used include let me get this list here

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<v Speaker 2>because I think it's important for you to know.

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<v Speaker 1>For those of us that don't live near these landfills.

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<v Speaker 2>Stories not so bad Semi Valley Landfill, the Calabasas Landfill,

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<v Speaker 2>Azuza land Reclamation Area, Sunshine Canyon Landfill, the el Sobrante Landfill,

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<v Speaker 2>and Corona expected to receive the disaster debris. The Lamb

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<v Speaker 2>Canyon and Badlands landfills in Riverside County have requested emergency

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<v Speaker 2>waivers for an increase in tonnage, which they are going

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<v Speaker 2>to get.

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<v Speaker 1>So the demonstrations is going to go.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh by the way, county government and city government all

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<v Speaker 2>are lining up on behalf of the protesters, and the

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<v Speaker 2>city La City Council passed a unanimous motion to instantly

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<v Speaker 2>investigate what the level of the toxic city is. It

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<v Speaker 2>is FEMA going to cooperate, I think they will. You

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<v Speaker 2>go ahead, knock your socks off. We don't care. It's

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<v Speaker 2>not gonna It's not gonna stop us from doing what

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<v Speaker 2>we're doing. And as I said when I opened up

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<v Speaker 2>the monologue, the argument that FEMA is using is, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>we're going it's going to slow down if number one

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<v Speaker 2>we do the testing, and number two, if we have

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<v Speaker 2>to cart the debris away to landfills far away. There

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<v Speaker 2>are hazardous way sland fills out there. What they are

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<v Speaker 2>they are lined with a rubberized or a silicon tarp,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know which one, and there are motion and

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<v Speaker 2>there are sensors in the landfill itself to detect methane

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<v Speaker 2>and other toxic gases, but they are not local, and

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<v Speaker 2>the local people are saying that's where you go, and

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<v Speaker 2>FEMA is saying, if we do that, that means the

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<v Speaker 2>trucks have to drive a lot further, which is going

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<v Speaker 2>to slow down the removal of the debris.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's another stand off, no kidding, okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Going to what is happening on a federal level, and

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<v Speaker 2>the firing of tens of thousands of federal employees to

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<v Speaker 2>begin with.

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<v Speaker 1>So there have been a couple of blips.

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<v Speaker 2>And as I promoted this segment just before coming just

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<v Speaker 2>before the break, I said, if you ever watched the Apprentice,

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<v Speaker 2>which most of us at least know what the apprentice is.

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<v Speaker 2>And the tagline Donald Trump used, you fired. Maybe you

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<v Speaker 2>didn't use such a heavy New York accent. Michelle would

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<v Speaker 2>do that, and he never said, excuse me, I just

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<v Speaker 2>changed my mind, come on back. Well, that's exactly what's

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<v Speaker 2>happening with the National Park Service. The National Park Service

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<v Speaker 2>just fired a bunch of people, I mean just cleaned out.

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<v Speaker 2>Didn't clean it out in the sense of firing. What

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<v Speaker 2>happens as seasonal workers are hired every summer because that's

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<v Speaker 2>when people go to the National parks, and these seasonal

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<v Speaker 2>people collect the entrance fee. Example, when you go to

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<v Speaker 2>the park, the person they are at the park interest seasonal.

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<v Speaker 2>They clean the trails, they clean the restrooms, they're part

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<v Speaker 2>of the rescue teams that rescue injured hikers. Well, they

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<v Speaker 2>all received emails that their normal job offers for the

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<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty five season ain't going to happen rescinded.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, this week a memo is sent out from the Department.

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<v Speaker 2>Of Interior saying that never mind that the agency is

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<v Speaker 2>going to hire seventy seven hundred seasonal employees, up from

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<v Speaker 2>the sixty three hundred who normally are fired. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>it's going to go up fourteen hundred. Well, you talk

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<v Speaker 2>about an exception to what's going on today. Now there's

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<v Speaker 2>a hiring freeze going on across government, and this one is,

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<v Speaker 2>for some reason a big exception. Don't know why National

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<v Speaker 2>Parks Service it was. Now there's been a couple of

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<v Speaker 2>never minds. Now is it a make or break if

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<v Speaker 2>you don't go to a national park? You know, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't go. So it's not the end of the world

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<v Speaker 2>for me. Some people it's important. I'll tell you what

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<v Speaker 2>was really important is that there were people at the

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<v Speaker 2>Nuclear Agency whichever nuclear agency is involved in keeping our

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<v Speaker 2>safeguarding our nuclear weapons facilities. They were fired until someone

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<v Speaker 2>pointed out, wait a minute, they're the guys who safeguard

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<v Speaker 2>our weaponry? Are nuclear weaponry? Do you really want to

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<v Speaker 2>fire them? That was an oops, Well, okay, maybe we don't.

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<v Speaker 2>And so they were fired and the next day they

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<v Speaker 2>were rehired. And I was talking to one of the

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<v Speaker 2>real pro Trump is here at the station yesterday and

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<v Speaker 2>who is thrilled about the fact that the government is

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<v Speaker 2>cleaning out the quote, the waste and the fraud.

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<v Speaker 1>Now is there a waste and fraud.

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<v Speaker 2>There has to be two point three million employees and

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<v Speaker 2>entrenched to bureaucracy that goes for back for decades.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, there's gonna be waste.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course there's gonna be fraud, and there's a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of bureaucracy that can be eliminated. I'm assuming with the

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<v Speaker 2>government as large as it is. However, do you really

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<v Speaker 2>start cleaning out before you investigate. I mean, look at

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<v Speaker 2>the baby being thrown out with the bathwater. Here, a

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<v Speaker 2>couple of instances here. You're gonna see many more of these.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm fine with the investigation, but first let's find out

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<v Speaker 2>what happens or what has happened. One of the big

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<v Speaker 2>Trump slash Elon Musk's talking points is and you saw

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<v Speaker 2>this for days fifty million dollars being used to buy

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<v Speaker 2>condoms for Hamas or Palestinians. Two days later it was

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<v Speaker 2>one hundred million dollars were used to buy condoms. Now

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<v Speaker 2>one hundred million dollars for two thousand people, of which

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<v Speaker 2>some may not use condoms, women, children, the elderly. It's

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of condoms for the people that are left

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<v Speaker 2>in a population of a couple of million. The point

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<v Speaker 2>I'm making is okay, you make that allegation. I haven't

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<v Speaker 2>seen the proof. Where is the proof? Now, there's two

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<v Speaker 2>ways that they're doing this, except they're only doing it

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<v Speaker 2>one way. One is to investigate and then to fire.

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<v Speaker 2>Two is to fire and either investigate or not investigate.

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<v Speaker 2>And that is exactly what's going on. It's peremptory firing

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<v Speaker 2>across the board. Well it to the extent. The Musk

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<v Speaker 2>has the kind of influence that a lot of people

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<v Speaker 2>had that he is the puppet master of the Trump administration,

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<v Speaker 2>which I don't buy for a second. He has said

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<v Speaker 2>I am going to cut one third of the budget

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<v Speaker 2>of the United States two trillion dollars.

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<v Speaker 1>How do you do that?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, one claim is that he saved what was it

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<v Speaker 2>eight billion dollars up to this point, and then the

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<v Speaker 2>next day it was it was really eight million dollars

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<v Speaker 2>that he has saved. Heretofore and I think it was

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<v Speaker 2>one agency he was talking about. So there were a

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<v Speaker 2>few zeros missing, and he argued it's full transparency. Well

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<v Speaker 2>not really, there isn't a lot. So do I agree

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<v Speaker 2>in principle, of course I do, But at some point,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm the one who shoo shoots from the hip

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<v Speaker 2>man do that's the accusation has made about me. And

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<v Speaker 2>I'm right there. I mean, I react and act a

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<v Speaker 2>lot quicker than I should. And I'm saying, come on, guys, really,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe we got to slow this down. Now. I'm going

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<v Speaker 2>to give you a little bit of handle history. In

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen seventy eight, when I was I think first year,

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<v Speaker 2>second year of law school, a decision came down the

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<v Speaker 2>US Supreme Court ruled that this guy by the name

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<v Speaker 2>of David Baki will be going to medical school at

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<v Speaker 2>UC Davis. He had been turned down. He applied, and

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<v Speaker 2>the school said nah, nah, and why.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, they had a quota that.

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<v Speaker 2>Certain number of African Americans were to be allowed into

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<v Speaker 2>the medical school. And he argued that wait a minute.

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<v Speaker 2>Number one, I'm white, but I have better qualified cations

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<v Speaker 2>that was per school, per the school, better GPA, better

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<v Speaker 2>test scores on the MCAT, and I deserve to have

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<v Speaker 2>that spot that you gave to this African American who

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<v Speaker 2>didn't meet those qualifications. Well, the numbers were the numbers.

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<v Speaker 2>They had to have x percent of African Americans and

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<v Speaker 2>they were going to put that in. So he sued

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<v Speaker 2>and that was amazing. That was one of the first

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<v Speaker 2>lawsuits of reverse discrimination.

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<v Speaker 1>White people suing saying.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm being discriminated against because I'm white, and that went

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<v Speaker 2>up through the courts and the Supreme Court ruled, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>he has a case, and the school reinstated him. The

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<v Speaker 2>next year he got in. But this started a whole

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<v Speaker 2>slew of cases of reverse discrimination. Now, the Supreme Court

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<v Speaker 2>didn't eliminate the racial factor completely. What the court did

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<v Speaker 2>for determining who gets into school. In this case, it

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<v Speaker 2>was the medical school because that's what was happening. When

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<v Speaker 2>X number have to go in, it is race.

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<v Speaker 1>That's it. It's race.

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<v Speaker 2>So the court said, no, you can't do that, but

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<v Speaker 1>You have to look at everything else.

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<v Speaker 2>to look at what they have done in the world

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<v Speaker 2>light today.

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<v Speaker 2>start a charity, raise several million dollars and win the

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<v Speaker 2>Nobel Peace Prize. It takes that much. And as for

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<v Speaker 2>anybody to get into one of the big ivy leagues.

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<v Speaker 2>So he wins, and it starts all of those cases,

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<v Speaker 2>and it got to the point where the Supreme Court

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<v Speaker 2>narrowed down the race factor to the point where now

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<v Speaker 2>race cannot be used.

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<v Speaker 1>As a factor at all.

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<v Speaker 2>However, we talk about the advantages that minorities have. If

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<v Speaker 2>Pacific islander, frankly, you're going to have an advantage.

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<v Speaker 1>It's that simple. Not Asians.

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<v Speaker 1>Why because go to UC.

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<v Speaker 2>Berkeley, Okay, go to Hastings, Lag, go to Stanford. You

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<v Speaker 2>will see the number of Asians far outnumbers their population.

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<v Speaker 2>So they're doing all right anyway, So they're not considered

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<v Speaker 2>a minori. So how is the end around done? How

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<v Speaker 2>do the schools get away with, in fact giving preference

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<v Speaker 2>to in some cases African Americans or Pacific Islanders, Well,

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<v Speaker 2>they look at things like how many siblings do you have?

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<v Speaker 1>Where do you live?

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<v Speaker 2>Are you living in a socioeconomic area that is poor

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<v Speaker 2>and particularly minority populated. So they sort of play that

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<v Speaker 2>game to where it's virtually guaranteed that a minority still

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<v Speaker 2>has the upper hand, and it does. And the argument is,

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<v Speaker 2>let's have a level playing field, because it used to

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<v Speaker 2>be that minorities never were able to get in because

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<v Speaker 2>they were minorities, particularly blacks African Americans or sort of

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<v Speaker 2>the poster child the discrimination. And legitimately so in this country,

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<v Speaker 2>slavery is the original sin of this country. Absolutely straight

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<v Speaker 2>out separating out African Americans as being particularly oppressed absolutely

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<v Speaker 2>holds water. And so the argument is you screwed us

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<v Speaker 2>or we screwed them. We being the white population, wasn't me.

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<v Speaker 2>I never owned a slave, I've never determined if someone

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<v Speaker 2>should go to college or not.

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<v Speaker 1>And now we're going to go the other way.

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<v Speaker 2>And then there are people that argue, okay, now let's

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<v Speaker 2>make it a level playing field. I remember once I

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<v Speaker 2>interviewed Jesse Jackson, who argued, yeah, yeah, blacks should get advantages.

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<v Speaker 2>They should be determined as more apt to get into

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, So that is the rule going in.

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<v Speaker 2>So now I'm going to move forward to a Supreme

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<v Speaker 2>Court case where this week or next week, the Court

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<v Speaker 2>is going to hear arguments in another white discrimination case.

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<v Speaker 2>But it's not because a minority person as to a

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<v Speaker 2>race was involved. Oh no, No, it's a whole different

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<v Speaker 2>avenue they took. When when I was in law school,

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<v Speaker 2>that he had better qualifications, which he did according to

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<v Speaker 2>the school, and there was a quota system straight out,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, certain number of blacks come in and we're

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<v Speaker 2>And he sued for reverse discrimination and he won. Us

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<v Speaker 2>Supreme Court said, oh to the UC system, oh no.

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<v Speaker 1>He goes to medical school and the next year he did.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, there is another case a brewing, and this has

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<v Speaker 2>to also do with reverse discrimination. But I'll tell you

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<v Speaker 2>the difference. This is a woman who's arguing that she

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<v Speaker 2>she is straight, and that is illegal.

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<v Speaker 1>Her name is Marlene Ames.

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<v Speaker 2>She worked for the Ohio Youth Correction System, got all

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<v Speaker 2>kinds of promotions and evaluations, and then in twenty nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>she was she was demoted and denied a promotion at

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<v Speaker 2>the same time. And the demotion she took a forty thousand

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<v Speaker 2>dollars pay cut. And according to Ames and this lawsuit,

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<v Speaker 2>that wasn't all. She had a gay supervisor at the time.

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<v Speaker 2>She was passed over for promotion in favor of.

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<v Speaker 1>A gay woman.

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<v Speaker 2>She was demoted in favor of a gay man, both

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<v Speaker 2>of whom were less qualified than she was, according to

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<v Speaker 2>the lawsuit. Well, next Wednesday, US Supreme Court is going

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<v Speaker 2>to hear that case. They're going to hear arguments in

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<v Speaker 2>her civil rights lawsuit against the Department of Youth Services.

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<v Speaker 2>After the law courts throw it out, she wants money,

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<v Speaker 2>by the way, from the state, a ruling in her

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<v Speaker 2>favor by the court. Remember it now has a six

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<v Speaker 2>to three conservative majority is going to make it a

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<v Speaker 2>lot easier for non minorities, including white people and straight people,

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<v Speaker 2>to argue claims of illegal bias reverse discrimination under the

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<v Speaker 2>federal anti discrimination law. Now this gets a little wonky,

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<v Speaker 2>so I'm going to try to explain it, Okay. In

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen sixty four, under Lyndon Johnson, Congress passed Title seven

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<v Speaker 2>of the Civil Rights Act of nineteen sixty four. No

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<v Speaker 2>Discrimination prohibits discrimination on the base of race, religion, national origin,

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<v Speaker 2>and sex, including sexual orientation.

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<v Speaker 1>This is what she's saying, So how does this even

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<v Speaker 1>go to court?

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<v Speaker 2>The lower court ruled against her, The appeals court ruled

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<v Speaker 2>against her. I mean, isn't discrimination discrimination, that's what she's arguing. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>it gets a little more complicated than that, because a

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<v Speaker 2>requirement that is used by most courts is that plaintiffs

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<v Speaker 2>from majority groups read white and straight people have to

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<v Speaker 2>provide more evidence than minority playmants claimants to make a

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<v Speaker 2>prima facia case, which means that on its face is

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<v Speaker 2>a case. In other words, a white person, straight person

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<v Speaker 2>has to provide more proof of reverse discrimination then a

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<v Speaker 2>minority person has to provide that there is discrimination.

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<v Speaker 1>As we see it isn't that discrimination on its face.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, come on, guys, and.

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<v Speaker 2>There has to be well, it's as I said, it's

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit wonky that it has to be argued

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<v Speaker 2>that there is a pattern of discrimination.

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<v Speaker 1>You have to go deeper into it. There has to

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<v Speaker 1>be a.

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<v Speaker 2>History, and it's it is easier in one sense to

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<v Speaker 2>argue racial discrimination. You know, if I'm being sued by

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<v Speaker 2>a straight person, I'm gay and I choose a choose

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<v Speaker 2>someone who is gay for a promotion over you, I

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<v Speaker 2>can say I had nothing to do with it, even

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<v Speaker 2>though that person was gay. It's kind of hard to

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<v Speaker 2>argue I didn't know that person was black. Gee, I

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<v Speaker 2>never noticed. It doesn't fly usually. But the argument's going

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<v Speaker 2>to be this is straight out discrimination, and so what

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<v Speaker 2>can be used, and what is used is the history

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<v Speaker 2>of racial discrimination in this country as a basis for

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<v Speaker 2>those minorities suing. You can't argue, well, you can argue

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<v Speaker 2>if you're straight. And I think she's gonna make the

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<v Speaker 2>argument I haven't read the case, so I haven't read

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<v Speaker 2>the Obviously, the papers here is that there has now

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<v Speaker 2>recently been a history of anti white, anti straight bias

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<v Speaker 2>in the workplace, and in education, and the other side's

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<v Speaker 2>going to go, hey, it's been there. You may argue that,

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<v Speaker 2>but you don't have a four hundred year history of

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<v Speaker 2>this of discrimination.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't have a two hundred year history of discrimination.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't have a system where it was impossible for

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<v Speaker 2>someone to get into school, or get a job, or

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<v Speaker 2>get this kind of a workplace environment because he or

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<v Speaker 2>she was a minority. It's going to be an interesting case,

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<v Speaker 2>it really is.

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<v Speaker 1>Is that going to change everything? You know?

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<v Speaker 2>Based on this court? I think she may have a case.

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<v Speaker 2>By the way, she has since been promoted back. She

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<v Speaker 2>year when she was demoted by a gays purpose person

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<v Speaker 2>in favor of a gay person. By the way, the

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<v Speaker 2>lower courts and the appeals court said no, no, no, because

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<v Speaker 2>the supervisors could have interfered and they were straight, and

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<v Speaker 2>they didn't. So there are a couple of little wonky

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<v Speaker 2>parts of it, but the basis of the main premise

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<v Speaker 2>here is I'm straight, I'm white, and you're discriminating, yes

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<v Speaker 2>mee in favor of the gay community. That is discrimination. Okay,

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