Speaker 1: And we were talking a little bit about the Astros
Speaker 1: injury situation, and you know, dove back into a little
Speaker 1: bit of some of the conversation we had yesterday. But
Speaker 1: here's the consequence, Cole, that I feel like people are
Speaker 1: not looking at right now because you have to remember
Speaker 1: that Major League Baseball is a small circle, right that
Speaker 1: these guys they talk, either through their own agencies, maybe
Speaker 1: it's guys that have previous relationships from being former teammates,
Speaker 1: friends of friends, whatever it is these guys talk. It
Speaker 1: gets to a point too where one hundred and sixty
Speaker 1: two games, it's hard enough. You want to be able
Speaker 1: to simplify this thing as much as possible. Situations like
Speaker 1: what just happened with Jordan Alvarez do not help you
Speaker 1: with potential free agents now, because you also want to
Speaker 1: know that injuries are a part of the game. It's
Speaker 1: going to happen. You're going to be on the al
Speaker 1: at some time. If you sign a long term deal
Speaker 1: with the team, you're probably going to miss some time.
Speaker 1: So when that happens, you want to know that a
Speaker 1: you're getting the best treatment and the best recovery plan
Speaker 1: that you can possibly have. But also so too, what
Speaker 1: we've seen for the last couple of years with Kyle
Speaker 1: Tucker last year, with Jordan Alvarez this year, again putting
Speaker 1: it on the player. If I'm a player, I'm pissed
Speaker 1: you do that. I'm furious because if it's one of
Speaker 1: those that say, for example, a bone bruise and you're
Speaker 1: not coming back if it bothers you, then you're going
Speaker 1: to have that out there. Why the hell aren't you
Speaker 1: back yet. It's a bone bruise, dude, come on, let's go.
Speaker 1: What are you doing? And then you find out later
Speaker 1: that it's misdiagnosed, so you do all of that. The
Speaker 1: damage has done at that point. If I'm a player
Speaker 1: and I'm having people who are questioning my toughness in
Speaker 1: my ability to be able to get back out on
Speaker 1: the field, then yeah, I'm going to be upset and
Speaker 1: I'm going to be resentful towards you.
Speaker 2: This goes further back than just staying it though this
Speaker 2: was underneath James Click too, especially with the entire situation
Speaker 2: of the misdiagnosis and also the rehabilitation process. This has
Speaker 2: been lingering with the organization for years, and at some
Speaker 2: point you have to realize that something needs to change
Speaker 2: if you want to have that faith and really going
Speaker 2: to have the negative cloud that's been around you.
Speaker 3: Like people get pissed off.
Speaker 2: And share their own reports on how the Ashers aren't
Speaker 2: giving away any information, so it's hard for him to
Speaker 2: kind of dissect or dilude, Hey, let's play the doctor
Speaker 2: game and figure out what's going on and when there
Speaker 2: is an actual timeline, and then they're frustrated when the
Speaker 2: timeline's wrong. This isn't just a first time situation, or
Speaker 2: that Kyle Tucker wasn't the last guy to go through
Speaker 2: this and the only other guy to go through this.
Speaker 2: This was happening back in twenty twenty one, it's happening
Speaker 2: back in twenty twenty two. I mean I remember hearing that, Yeah,
Speaker 2: we're probably not going to get Lance McCullers back in
Speaker 2: twenty twenty three, but could we get him back in
Speaker 2: twenty twenty four. What's going on with Luis Garcia right now?
Speaker 2: What's the status of Christian Hoveer right now? Jose or
Speaker 2: Keaty was out for a while. What was his longevity?
Speaker 2: Was he projected back at some point and you want
Speaker 2: to have this conversation of yes, he's working his way back.
Speaker 2: But also if the entire clubhouse doesn't know that he
Speaker 2: is quote unk, well working his way back means six
Speaker 2: months to a year before he's actually gonna recover. Then
Speaker 2: you're wondering, Okay, what happens when our team is losing
Speaker 2: and maybe he's almost there. Okay, we got to ramp
Speaker 2: him up a little bit more so that way we
Speaker 2: can get him back out in the bullpen.
Speaker 1: It's almost kind of to a point where I mean,
Speaker 1: if I'm a player, I almost kind of wonder if
Speaker 1: the clubhouse soon enough just says, hey, you guys gonna
Speaker 1: change the way that you go about doing this, because
Speaker 1: then it starts to set expectations in that clubhouse. Oh,
Speaker 1: we're gonna get Hovey airback. Oh that's cool. Oh we're
Speaker 1: gonna get We're gonna get Louis back. That's awesome, like
Speaker 1: of being able to have those out here, And in
Speaker 1: fairness to Dana, he does say hopefully, yeah, So he
Speaker 1: does give himself a little bit of an out on that,
Speaker 1: but it is also too what are you doing of
Speaker 1: not granting yourself the favor of hey, look, it's a
Speaker 1: long shot. We would like to have him back. This year,
Speaker 1: and we're hopeful that they can be back at this point,
Speaker 1: but it's also too I just want people to not
Speaker 1: be disappointed if it doesn't happen this year.
Speaker 3: What's the harm in that.
Speaker 2: Because you're not lying, but you're also kind of setting
Speaker 2: a baseline. Maybe it'll happen, maybe it won't, but okay.
Speaker 2: It also allows you to kind of have a good
Speaker 2: understanding about what you need to do going into the
Speaker 2: trade deadline. So we consistently hear Christian Aavier is working
Speaker 2: his way back. Christian Javier might be ready at some point, well,
Speaker 2: some point needs to be determined. Is he going to
Speaker 2: be on the field by the time that we get
Speaker 2: to July thirty first and it's four pm, Or do
Speaker 2: I have to go out and add in a fourth arm?
Speaker 2: Like those are things that you have to have those
Speaker 2: conversations on because if it's a little bit different when hey,
Speaker 2: he may only be our number four pitcher, but we're
Speaker 2: paying him to be a number two. It may only
Speaker 2: be Yeah, he's only going to give us three or
Speaker 2: four innings in the next five starts.
Speaker 3: But at least you know he's back.
Speaker 2: At least you know we don't have to go out
Speaker 2: and now anybody like right now, let's say the Assers
Speaker 2: are three games above five hundred and they can't hit
Speaker 2: against lefties, you want to add in a left handed
Speaker 2: bat just because if you want to be able to
Speaker 2: combat any opportunity, just to throw him in the lineup.
Speaker 2: But Majordon is close to being back, well close doesn't
Speaker 2: help me in a division race where I'm barely leading
Speaker 2: against Seattle, and Seattle right now is going investing all
Speaker 2: in on adding in another and adding in.
Speaker 3: An outfielder or adding in a first basement.
Speaker 2: So every move that they make, you at the counteract
Speaker 2: it with And if you don't know what the status
Speaker 2: is of a certain player, then.
Speaker 3: At this point what are you doing. You're only hurting
Speaker 3: your team.
Speaker 2: And then the person to blame is all coming back
Speaker 2: to you because of a misdiagnosis and a misleaning toward.
Speaker 3: The public eye.
Speaker 1: Well, and it's also I mean, I understand wanting to
Speaker 1: have trust in your players. I'm fully on board with that,
Speaker 1: but it also you have to remember that these guys
Speaker 1: are more competitive than any of us can sometimes comprehend.
Speaker 1: I mean, they're their harshest critic. All of those different
Speaker 1: things you've heard it all, but it's also before you
Speaker 1: even swing a bat. What is the harm in sending
Speaker 1: them in for more imaging of just sen Hey, look,
Speaker 1: we just want to make sure that we're on top
Speaker 1: of this thing. I mean, we believe that you can
Speaker 1: swing up bat. That's not a question. It's fine. But
Speaker 1: why give ourselves any chance that maybe we've missed something.
Speaker 1: That's just what it is the heart of all of
Speaker 1: this that I just can't get past of. You're going
Speaker 1: to clear him to do all these things without following up,
Speaker 1: I mean, and then you're gonna try to tell us that, oh,
Speaker 1: it wasn't structural, it wasn't structural, and then you find
Speaker 1: out that it was structural when you could.
Speaker 3: Have found this out a long time ago.
Speaker 1: How do you get to sixty percent of my big question?
Speaker 1: We talked about it yesterday, Like I don't even know
Speaker 1: what that means. Like it's it almost kind of feels
Speaker 1: like they're throwing out in absolute number for the hopes
Speaker 1: that it will be able to provide some clarity for people.
Speaker 1: But it's also too at the same time. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's either fractured or it's not.
Speaker 2: It's like when I heard Nikosario say, I don't even
Speaker 2: know what team needs are, Like, I just can somebody
Speaker 2: please explain that to me.
Speaker 3: He knows what it means. You know what it means, dude.
Speaker 2: Your offensive line gave up fifty four sacks last year
Speaker 2: and your quarterback's not throwing in OTAs because of it.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry that you don't want to go ahead and
Speaker 2: give a little bit more insight to this.
Speaker 3: But you know what a team means. You know what
Speaker 3: sixty percent means.
Speaker 2: Oh, he's able to hit off the tea, and he's
Speaker 2: able to hit against live bullpen practice, but we can't
Speaker 2: ram them up against one of our top pitchers.
Speaker 3: Okay, cool, so say that.
Speaker 2: But when you say sixty percent and come up with
Speaker 2: this nonchalant number, Okay, I'm giving thirty five percent today.
Speaker 2: My volume level is at twenty two percent. You want
Speaker 2: to hear me screaming to the microphone on one hundred.
Speaker 3: Trust me.
Speaker 2: I will give you that, But dont try like I'm
Speaker 2: making these things up. I could be at fifty eight
Speaker 2: percent right now. Dan could be at forty two percent
Speaker 2: right now. Tripley's over there, Triple Y over here is
Speaker 2: doing a twenty two percent job producing today.
Speaker 3: He could be doing nothing. That is not cool. He
Speaker 3: is doing a ninety nine percent job producing today he's
Speaker 3: doing one hundred percent. That was your problem.
Speaker 2: My point being is that you come up with different numbers.
Speaker 2: Everyone has this own like this own spiel. It's it's
Speaker 2: not right because if you don't know what that means,
Speaker 2: just tell us what the facts are. He's not able
Speaker 2: to hit. He doesn't have a second MRI. He needs
Speaker 2: to be able to kind of go into second imaging.
Speaker 2: If you just have that, you have a baseline. But
Speaker 2: when you come up with this out of left field conversation,
Speaker 2: all you're doing is you're setting up a player to
Speaker 2: fail when you got to put him back on the d.
Speaker 1: I understand setbacks happen. I understand that it's not a
Speaker 1: linear progression in terms of trying to be able to
Speaker 1: come back from injuries.
Speaker 3: Trust me, I get it.
Speaker 1: I understand. But it is also too if I'm Jim
Speaker 1: Crane for all of the control that he wants to
Speaker 1: have in that building, now, they're better have been a
Speaker 1: meeting after Saturday of saying this is the last time
Speaker 1: this is gonna happen while I'm the owner of this team,
Speaker 1: and if it.
Speaker 2: Doesn't the congratulations, you know what to expect moving forward
Speaker 2: when people don't want to report on anything. Sorry, I
Speaker 2: mean like like, that's what it is when Chandler Rome
Speaker 2: starts coming out and saying, don't know, don't ask me.
Speaker 3: This is why, because if you can't build that trust factor,
Speaker 3: he's one of your best players.
Speaker 2: And the only caveat, and I will give Dana a
Speaker 2: little bit of credit, the only caveat is we now
Speaker 2: know why Jordan wasn't able to slug the way that
Speaker 2: he was last season. We now know why there was
Speaker 2: more to the story than just a little bit of
Speaker 2: a hand issue. It's been going on since the spring.
Speaker 2: You're shutting him down, You're letting him get back to
Speaker 2: full health, and hopefully that ops the slugging percentage, the
Speaker 2: on base percentage, the velocity, the arch angle, all the
Speaker 2: things that were really struggling with him in that first
Speaker 2: month will be solid when he gets back at full capacity.
Speaker 1: And just know that players want to feel supported, and
Speaker 1: I just feel like that now these are two different
Speaker 1: occasions where you've not supported your player, like you've set
Speaker 1: them up for a position to fail, and that's on you.
Speaker 1: And if you're an organization that prides themselves on being
Speaker 1: on the cutting edge in many ways for research development,
Speaker 1: all of the things that have made the astro successful.
Speaker 1: I mean, there are always strengths and weaknesses. Dude, plug
Speaker 1: up this strength as soon as possible, because soon enough
Speaker 1: for the great clubhouse you have and the winning culture
Speaker 1: and all those different types of things. There's great club
Speaker 1: there's great clubhouses in winning cultures other places, and guys
Speaker 1: are going to start choosing that.
Speaker 2: Sometimes when you hear that change just going to happen
Speaker 2: for the franchise and you're constantly seeing the exact same
Speaker 2: thing happen, you start to wonder what needs to actually
Speaker 2: change before things start to actually turn the corner.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean I brought up the example yesterday. The
Speaker 1: Rockets did it a few years ago when Yaoming was
Speaker 1: going through his foot issue. They brought Walter Lowe out
Speaker 1: like that. That would go a long way of you're
Speaker 1: in a situation like this again, make the team doctor available,
Speaker 1: Make make them available. It's a it's a one time deal.
Speaker 1: It's over, it's done with. You get it straight from
Speaker 1: the medical professional and it's done.
Speaker 2: We have a conversation once a year with one of
Speaker 2: the head scouts for the Texans. We know what they're
Speaker 2: kind of going and looking for in terms of the
Speaker 2: foundation of the franchise.
Speaker 3: It's a one time meeting.
Speaker 2: Okay, you miss it, you miss it, but I promise you,
Speaker 2: once you get a good understanding, everyone's on the same page.
Speaker 2: You know what to look for, you know what to expect,
Speaker 2: you know what was the thought process. You kind of
Speaker 2: get to you kind of hit reset on the rest
Speaker 2: of the year. It's at the end of the world.
Speaker 2: It isn't see a couple of you on the phone lines.
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