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<v Speaker 1>And we were talking a little bit about the Astros

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<v Speaker 1>injury situation, and you know, dove back into a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit of some of the conversation we had yesterday. But

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<v Speaker 1>here's the consequence, Cole, that I feel like people are

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<v Speaker 1>not looking at right now because you have to remember

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<v Speaker 1>that Major League Baseball is a small circle, right that

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<v Speaker 1>these guys they talk, either through their own agencies, maybe

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<v Speaker 1>it's guys that have previous relationships from being former teammates,

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<v Speaker 1>friends of friends, whatever it is these guys talk. It

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<v Speaker 1>gets to a point too where one hundred and sixty

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<v Speaker 1>two games, it's hard enough. You want to be able

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<v Speaker 1>to simplify this thing as much as possible. Situations like

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<v Speaker 1>what just happened with Jordan Alvarez do not help you

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<v Speaker 1>with potential free agents now, because you also want to

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<v Speaker 1>know that injuries are a part of the game. It's

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<v Speaker 1>going to happen. You're going to be on the al

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<v Speaker 1>at some time. If you sign a long term deal

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<v Speaker 1>with the team, you're probably going to miss some time.

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<v Speaker 1>So when that happens, you want to know that a

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<v Speaker 1>you're getting the best treatment and the best recovery plan

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<v Speaker 1>that you can possibly have. But also so too, what

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<v Speaker 1>we've seen for the last couple of years with Kyle

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<v Speaker 1>Tucker last year, with Jordan Alvarez this year, again putting

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<v Speaker 1>it on the player. If I'm a player, I'm pissed

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<v Speaker 1>you do that. I'm furious because if it's one of

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<v Speaker 1>those that say, for example, a bone bruise and you're

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<v Speaker 1>not coming back if it bothers you, then you're going

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<v Speaker 1>to have that out there. Why the hell aren't you

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<v Speaker 1>back yet. It's a bone bruise, dude, come on, let's go.

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<v Speaker 1>What are you doing? And then you find out later

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<v Speaker 1>that it's misdiagnosed, so you do all of that. The

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<v Speaker 1>damage has done at that point. If I'm a player

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm having people who are questioning my toughness in

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<v Speaker 1>my ability to be able to get back out on

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<v Speaker 1>the field, then yeah, I'm going to be upset and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to be resentful towards you.

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<v Speaker 2>This goes further back than just staying it though this

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<v Speaker 2>was underneath James Click too, especially with the entire situation

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<v Speaker 2>of the misdiagnosis and also the rehabilitation process. This has

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<v Speaker 2>been lingering with the organization for years, and at some

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<v Speaker 2>point you have to realize that something needs to change

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<v Speaker 2>if you want to have that faith and really going

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<v Speaker 2>to have the negative cloud that's been around you.

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<v Speaker 3>Like people get pissed off.

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<v Speaker 2>And share their own reports on how the Ashers aren't

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<v Speaker 2>giving away any information, so it's hard for him to

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<v Speaker 2>kind of dissect or dilude, Hey, let's play the doctor

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<v Speaker 2>game and figure out what's going on and when there

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<v Speaker 2>is an actual timeline, and then they're frustrated when the

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<v Speaker 2>timeline's wrong. This isn't just a first time situation, or

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<v Speaker 2>that Kyle Tucker wasn't the last guy to go through

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<v Speaker 2>this and the only other guy to go through this.

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<v Speaker 2>This was happening back in twenty twenty one, it's happening

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<v Speaker 2>back in twenty twenty two. I mean I remember hearing that, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>we're probably not going to get Lance McCullers back in

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<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty three, but could we get him back in

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<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty four. What's going on with Luis Garcia right now?

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<v Speaker 2>What's the status of Christian Hoveer right now? Jose or

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<v Speaker 2>Keaty was out for a while. What was his longevity?

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<v Speaker 2>Was he projected back at some point and you want

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<v Speaker 2>to have this conversation of yes, he's working his way back.

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<v Speaker 2>But also if the entire clubhouse doesn't know that he

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<v Speaker 2>is quote unk, well working his way back means six

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<v Speaker 2>months to a year before he's actually gonna recover. Then

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<v Speaker 2>you're wondering, Okay, what happens when our team is losing

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<v Speaker 2>and maybe he's almost there. Okay, we got to ramp

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<v Speaker 2>him up a little bit more so that way we

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<v Speaker 2>can get him back out in the bullpen.

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<v Speaker 1>It's almost kind of to a point where I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>if I'm a player, I almost kind of wonder if

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<v Speaker 1>the clubhouse soon enough just says, hey, you guys gonna

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<v Speaker 1>change the way that you go about doing this, because

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<v Speaker 1>then it starts to set expectations in that clubhouse. Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna get Hovey airback. Oh that's cool. Oh we're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna get We're gonna get Louis back. That's awesome, like

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<v Speaker 1>of being able to have those out here, And in

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<v Speaker 1>fairness to Dana, he does say hopefully, yeah, So he

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<v Speaker 1>does give himself a little bit of an out on that,

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<v Speaker 1>but it is also too what are you doing of

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<v Speaker 1>not granting yourself the favor of hey, look, it's a

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<v Speaker 1>long shot. We would like to have him back. This year,

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<v Speaker 1>and we're hopeful that they can be back at this point,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's also too I just want people to not

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<v Speaker 1>be disappointed if it doesn't happen this year.

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<v Speaker 3>What's the harm in that.

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<v Speaker 2>Because you're not lying, but you're also kind of setting

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<v Speaker 2>a baseline. Maybe it'll happen, maybe it won't, but okay.

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<v Speaker 2>It also allows you to kind of have a good

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<v Speaker 2>understanding about what you need to do going into the

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<v Speaker 2>trade deadline. So we consistently hear Christian Aavier is working

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<v Speaker 2>his way back. Christian Javier might be ready at some point, well,

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<v Speaker 2>some point needs to be determined. Is he going to

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<v Speaker 2>be on the field by the time that we get

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<v Speaker 2>to July thirty first and it's four pm, Or do

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<v Speaker 2>I have to go out and add in a fourth arm?

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<v Speaker 2>Like those are things that you have to have those

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<v Speaker 2>conversations on because if it's a little bit different when hey,

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<v Speaker 2>he may only be our number four pitcher, but we're

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<v Speaker 2>paying him to be a number two. It may only

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<v Speaker 2>be Yeah, he's only going to give us three or

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<v Speaker 2>four innings in the next five starts.

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<v Speaker 3>But at least you know he's back.

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<v Speaker 2>At least you know we don't have to go out

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<v Speaker 2>and now anybody like right now, let's say the Assers

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<v Speaker 2>are three games above five hundred and they can't hit

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<v Speaker 2>against lefties, you want to add in a left handed

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<v Speaker 2>bat just because if you want to be able to

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<v Speaker 2>combat any opportunity, just to throw him in the lineup.

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<v Speaker 2>But Majordon is close to being back, well close doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>help me in a division race where I'm barely leading

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<v Speaker 2>against Seattle, and Seattle right now is going investing all

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<v Speaker 2>in on adding in another and adding in.

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<v Speaker 3>An outfielder or adding in a first basement.

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<v Speaker 2>So every move that they make, you at the counteract

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<v Speaker 2>it with And if you don't know what the status

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<v Speaker 2>is of a certain player, then.

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<v Speaker 3>At this point what are you doing. You're only hurting

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<v Speaker 3>your team.

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<v Speaker 2>And then the person to blame is all coming back

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<v Speaker 2>to you because of a misdiagnosis and a misleaning toward.

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<v Speaker 3>The public eye.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, and it's also I mean, I understand wanting to

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<v Speaker 1>have trust in your players. I'm fully on board with that,

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<v Speaker 1>but it also you have to remember that these guys

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<v Speaker 1>are more competitive than any of us can sometimes comprehend.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, they're their harshest critic. All of those different

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<v Speaker 1>things you've heard it all, but it's also before you

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<v Speaker 1>even swing a bat. What is the harm in sending

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<v Speaker 1>them in for more imaging of just sen Hey, look,

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<v Speaker 1>we just want to make sure that we're on top

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<v Speaker 1>of this thing. I mean, we believe that you can

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<v Speaker 1>swing up bat. That's not a question. It's fine. But

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<v Speaker 1>why give ourselves any chance that maybe we've missed something.

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<v Speaker 1>That's just what it is the heart of all of

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<v Speaker 1>this that I just can't get past of. You're going

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<v Speaker 1>to clear him to do all these things without following up,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, and then you're gonna try to tell us that, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>it wasn't structural, it wasn't structural, and then you find

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<v Speaker 1>out that it was structural when you could.

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<v Speaker 3>Have found this out a long time ago.

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<v Speaker 1>How do you get to sixty percent of my big question?

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<v Speaker 1>We talked about it yesterday, Like I don't even know

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<v Speaker 1>what that means. Like it's it almost kind of feels

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<v Speaker 1>like they're throwing out in absolute number for the hopes

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<v Speaker 1>that it will be able to provide some clarity for people.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's also too at the same time. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>it's either fractured or it's not.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like when I heard Nikosario say, I don't even

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<v Speaker 2>know what team needs are, Like, I just can somebody

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<v Speaker 2>please explain that to me.

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<v Speaker 3>He knows what it means. You know what it means, dude.

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<v Speaker 2>Your offensive line gave up fifty four sacks last year

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<v Speaker 2>and your quarterback's not throwing in OTAs because of it.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry that you don't want to go ahead and

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<v Speaker 2>give a little bit more insight to this.

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<v Speaker 3>But you know what a team means. You know what

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<v Speaker 3>sixty percent means.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, he's able to hit off the tea, and he's

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<v Speaker 2>able to hit against live bullpen practice, but we can't

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<v Speaker 2>ram them up against one of our top pitchers.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, cool, so say that.

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<v Speaker 2>But when you say sixty percent and come up with

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<v Speaker 2>this nonchalant number, Okay, I'm giving thirty five percent today.

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<v Speaker 2>My volume level is at twenty two percent. You want

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<v Speaker 2>to hear me screaming to the microphone on one hundred.

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<v Speaker 3>Trust me.

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<v Speaker 2>I will give you that, But dont try like I'm

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<v Speaker 2>making these things up. I could be at fifty eight

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<v Speaker 2>percent right now. Dan could be at forty two percent

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<v Speaker 2>right now. Tripley's over there, Triple Y over here is

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<v Speaker 2>doing a twenty two percent job producing today.

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<v Speaker 3>He could be doing nothing. That is not cool. He

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<v Speaker 3>is doing a ninety nine percent job producing today he's

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<v Speaker 3>doing one hundred percent. That was your problem.

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<v Speaker 2>My point being is that you come up with different numbers.

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<v Speaker 2>Everyone has this own like this own spiel. It's it's

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<v Speaker 2>not right because if you don't know what that means,

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<v Speaker 2>just tell us what the facts are. He's not able

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<v Speaker 2>to hit. He doesn't have a second MRI. He needs

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<v Speaker 2>to be able to kind of go into second imaging.

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<v Speaker 2>If you just have that, you have a baseline. But

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<v Speaker 2>when you come up with this out of left field conversation,

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<v Speaker 2>all you're doing is you're setting up a player to

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<v Speaker 2>fail when you got to put him back on the d.

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<v Speaker 1>I understand setbacks happen. I understand that it's not a

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<v Speaker 1>linear progression in terms of trying to be able to

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<v Speaker 1>come back from injuries.

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<v Speaker 3>Trust me, I get it.

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<v Speaker 1>I understand. But it is also too if I'm Jim

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<v Speaker 1>Crane for all of the control that he wants to

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<v Speaker 1>have in that building, now, they're better have been a

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<v Speaker 1>meeting after Saturday of saying this is the last time

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<v Speaker 1>this is gonna happen while I'm the owner of this team,

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<v Speaker 1>and if it.

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<v Speaker 2>Doesn't the congratulations, you know what to expect moving forward

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<v Speaker 2>when people don't want to report on anything. Sorry, I

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<v Speaker 2>mean like like, that's what it is when Chandler Rome

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<v Speaker 2>starts coming out and saying, don't know, don't ask me.

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<v Speaker 3>This is why, because if you can't build that trust factor,

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<v Speaker 3>he's one of your best players.

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<v Speaker 2>And the only caveat, and I will give Dana a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit of credit, the only caveat is we now

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<v Speaker 2>know why Jordan wasn't able to slug the way that

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<v Speaker 2>he was last season. We now know why there was

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<v Speaker 2>more to the story than just a little bit of

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<v Speaker 2>a hand issue. It's been going on since the spring.

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<v Speaker 2>You're shutting him down, You're letting him get back to

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<v Speaker 2>full health, and hopefully that ops the slugging percentage, the

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<v Speaker 2>on base percentage, the velocity, the arch angle, all the

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<v Speaker 2>things that were really struggling with him in that first

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<v Speaker 2>month will be solid when he gets back at full capacity.

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<v Speaker 1>And just know that players want to feel supported, and

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<v Speaker 1>I just feel like that now these are two different

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<v Speaker 1>occasions where you've not supported your player, like you've set

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<v Speaker 1>them up for a position to fail, and that's on you.

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<v Speaker 1>And if you're an organization that prides themselves on being

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<v Speaker 1>on the cutting edge in many ways for research development,

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<v Speaker 1>all of the things that have made the astro successful.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, there are always strengths and weaknesses. Dude, plug

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<v Speaker 1>up this strength as soon as possible, because soon enough

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<v Speaker 1>for the great clubhouse you have and the winning culture

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<v Speaker 1>and all those different types of things. There's great club

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<v Speaker 1>there's great clubhouses in winning cultures other places, and guys

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<v Speaker 1>are going to start choosing that.

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<v Speaker 2>Sometimes when you hear that change just going to happen

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<v Speaker 2>for the franchise and you're constantly seeing the exact same

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I mean I brought up the example yesterday. The

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<v Speaker 1>Rockets did it a few years ago when Yaoming was

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<v Speaker 1>going through his foot issue. They brought Walter Lowe out

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<v Speaker 1>like that. That would go a long way of you're

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<v Speaker 1>in a situation like this again, make the team doctor available,

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<v Speaker 1>Make make them available. It's a it's a one time deal.

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<v Speaker 1>It's over, it's done with. You get it straight from

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<v Speaker 2>We have a conversation once a year with one of

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<v Speaker 2>the head scouts for the Texans. We know what they're

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<v Speaker 2>kind of going and looking for in terms of the

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<v Speaker 2>foundation of the franchise.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a one time meeting.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, you miss it, you miss it, but I promise you,

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<v Speaker 2>once you get a good understanding, everyone's on the same page.

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<v Speaker 2>You know what to look for, you know what to expect,

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<v Speaker 2>you know what was the thought process. You kind of

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<v Speaker 2>get to you kind of hit reset on the rest

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<v Speaker 2>of the year. It's at the end of the world.

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<v Speaker 2>It isn't see a couple of you on the phone lines.

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<v Speaker 1>of Lance mccullors on the Mountain tonight against Paul Skeins.

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<v Speaker 1>Talk about it right here. It is Shawn Salisbury Show,

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