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Speaker 2: Spine worms indeed.
Speaker 3: Don't don't make that a don't make that a portmanteau,
Speaker 3: don't shorten it.
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Speaker 2: It took me a minute, but I got there.
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Speaker 1: Hi, everybody, it's us.
Speaker 2: It is welcome to babble on in the podcast that
Speaker 2: is breaking down and reacted to episodes of Babylon five.
Speaker 2: We just watched season three, episode seven Exogenesis. My name
Speaker 2: is Jenny, a big fan of the show.
Speaker 3: Good.
Speaker 5: My name is Jen. I'm creeped out spine worms, but
Speaker 5: yes by the spine worms two separate words. And I
Speaker 5: am I'm a writer and I love the show. I
Speaker 5: watched it back in the day.
Speaker 3: I'm gus, I'm an actor. I'm very badly jet lagged
Speaker 3: right now, and first time watcher.
Speaker 1: I'm Ali. I'm an actress and a writer and a showrunner.
Speaker 1: And this is my first time watching Babbylon five. And
Speaker 1: the sperms of course, of course, and oh I forget oh,
Speaker 1: and Jen, your skin looks really dowy today. I just
Speaker 1: wanted to let you know. I just was looking at
Speaker 1: it and I was like, wow, so it's mine.
Speaker 2: But I'm also a cartoon, so.
Speaker 1: You're not here for you.
Speaker 5: Look. I thought, thank you, Finelli, fine Alli, and GUSSI
Speaker 5: was look beautiful as well. And you really don't look
Speaker 5: jet liked, even though you say you are.
Speaker 3: I'm trying. I'm really trying.
Speaker 1: I couldn't be more tired.
Speaker 3: Every like one pm to three pm is a struggle,
Speaker 3: but now it's eight forty five pm, so it's a
Speaker 3: different kind of struggle.
Speaker 5: Yeah, a different kind.
Speaker 2: Yeah, uh well, I think you noted it while we
Speaker 2: were watching. But this one is another JMS joint. The
Speaker 2: It was directed by Kevin Kremen, who thus far has directed.
Speaker 2: This is fourth episode that he's directed. He directed Spiders
Speaker 2: in the Web, Confessions and Lamentations, Matters of Honor and.
Speaker 3: This one so nice.
Speaker 1: Kevin Kremen well.
Speaker 3: Direct, good ship, Kevin well done in the directorial arena
Speaker 3: M and Yeah.
Speaker 2: Copeland h John Copeland. It says here he's the producer.
Speaker 2: Christopher Franky is the is the the composer Christopher Franky.
Speaker 2: So yes, if you if you left a comment correcting
Speaker 2: me in the reaction.
Speaker 6: You dollars pledge, Yes, that's how you did it. Yes, pledge,
Speaker 6: it was.
Speaker 5: I was pretty sure. I mean I was pretty sure
Speaker 5: it was. I thought, actually I thought it was a producer,
Speaker 5: but I wasn't sure. But I was just like, it
Speaker 5: was just so clear to me as a writer. I
Speaker 5: do ship like that where I'm like, I put something
Speaker 5: in there that only I'll understand means something. And the
Speaker 5: way that Marcus said it, like the Copeland j five thousand,
Speaker 5: I was like, who is Who's that that's gonna be?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Speaking of Marcus speaking, I know, did you get
Speaker 2: to read the Lookers Guide for this one?
Speaker 5: Yes? Yeah, I read most of it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I was like.
Speaker 2: He didn't Yes, but him. You both noted it that
Speaker 2: he did not say the name of the Scottish play.
Speaker 2: James specifically did not write it in the script because
Speaker 2: he said some actors have problems saying it, so I
Speaker 2: made a point not to write it in there. Although
Speaker 2: he said that the actor playing Marcus whose name I forget,
Speaker 2: Jason Jason Jason, Yeah.
Speaker 1: Two kinds of actors who won't say it an actors
Speaker 1: who are like aggressive about and you're like, relax, yeah,
Speaker 1: well so there is a personal choice, and they're like,
Speaker 1: I say it right now.
Speaker 5: It's the same people who don't like to whistle on
Speaker 5: stage right.
Speaker 1: Well, that has a whole reason too, and that's yeah,
Speaker 1: that's because the people used to used to be sailors
Speaker 1: and like, yeah, if you whistled, that was how they
Speaker 1: would like call together. So you might get a sandbag
Speaker 1: dropped on your head.
Speaker 2: That's like I would appreciate not having a sandbag dropped
Speaker 2: on my head.
Speaker 1: Whistle the theater, though they don't really do that anymore, no,
Speaker 1: but as.
Speaker 5: Somebody who's worked in a you know, of course, in
Speaker 5: a haunted theater most of them mar but as somebody
Speaker 5: who works in a haunted theater and watched the flies
Speaker 5: that she put up carefully with lines like on the
Speaker 5: last day of the last show of a play that
Speaker 5: we knew our ghost hated, everything went and almost fell
Speaker 5: down on people's heads.
Speaker 3: I couldn't call. I was like, that'll happen.
Speaker 5: I don't need to whistle.
Speaker 1: There's a theater that we go to that is haunted
Speaker 1: as fluck. I was nice, okay, but okay, one time
Speaker 1: she's one time she's nice. It's definitely an old lady
Speaker 1: and she's really nice, like everybody, everybody who was sensitive
Speaker 1: to that ship all sudden stay.
Speaker 3: Pissed off at first, but once you get started.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she calms down once she knows that you're there
Speaker 1: to perform, like she doesn't, but she doesn't like you
Speaker 1: until then. So I walked in one time, though, and
Speaker 1: she was extra pissed, and I had a burrito in
Speaker 1: my hand. I thought maybe it was because I was
Speaker 1: eating in the theater, and I was really scared because
Speaker 1: like the lights started flashing and I was like, ah,
Speaker 1: I'm the only one here, like absolutely not, I'm going
Speaker 1: to see myself like like I don't. I don't ever
Speaker 1: want to see a ghost, you know what I mean?
Speaker 5: Like, I don't, I don't.
Speaker 1: I'm not curious. I don't want to see you, like
Speaker 1: since your ViBe's fine, but like I don't want to
Speaker 1: see you so like. But it turned out that the
Speaker 1: reason she was so pissed like it was because it
Speaker 1: had rained really badly and like the roof had caved
Speaker 1: in in one part of the theater and like, so
Speaker 1: I and my friend discovered that because I went outside
Speaker 1: and waited until someone else came because I was like,
Speaker 1: her vibe is bad today. It is bad today, and
Speaker 1: I'm not going in there by myself. And then she
Speaker 1: walked in there with me and we saw the roof
Speaker 1: cave and I was like, okay, with this makes sense
Speaker 1: because her vibe was horrible. She was like, is someone
Speaker 1: going to fix this? Is someone going to fix this?
Speaker 1: And so yeah, the ones we like called the people
Speaker 1: and were like, it's going to be fixed. She calmed down,
Speaker 1: but I was like, that was intense. I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: the vibe is bad. For those of you who don't know,
Speaker 1: it's the play Macbeth. But we're not in the theater
Speaker 1: right now.
Speaker 3: Is we're literally recording something.
Speaker 1: It's not.
Speaker 2: Three times it's a theater.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, it's just theaters, guys, there's rules. Let's
Speaker 1: just theater.
Speaker 3: We rehearse in here. It's fine, it's fine, it's fine.
Speaker 1: I'll go cleanse it later. I'll go cleanse it later, okay, Sae.
Speaker 3: Fine, okay.
Speaker 2: Because I was saying what I was going to say
Speaker 2: is in a different episode and I won't tell you
Speaker 2: which one. But somebody accidentally said it during the recording
Speaker 2: of the episode and the actor was like, we have
Speaker 2: to stop everything, and had to walk three times around
Speaker 2: the perimeter.
Speaker 6: Of I'll go no no, no, no, no no no
Speaker 6: no no, no, no, no no.
Speaker 1: So okay. So the whole the whole thing for those
Speaker 1: of you who are not theater people or whatever or
Speaker 1: actors or whatever, is the the name of that play
Speaker 1: is very bad luck in the theater. Unless you are
Speaker 1: actively doing that play, you're not supposed to say that
Speaker 1: the name of that play in the theater. It's like
Speaker 1: a whole tradition thing, like, unless you were actively doing
Speaker 1: that play, you were supposed to call it Mackers or
Speaker 1: the Scottish play, and that's what you're supposed to do.
Speaker 5: So I went to see a friend's play. Yeah, I
Speaker 5: went to see a friends play last week. She did
Speaker 5: a fantastic place. My friend Susan, she's amazing. It's called
Speaker 5: The Women of Lockerby. It's a it's a play that
Speaker 5: takes place in Scotland. And I kept telling people. I
Speaker 5: was like, yeah, my friends is in she's in the
Speaker 5: Scottish play. No, not the Scottish play. Scottish Scottish play.
Speaker 1: But a Scottish but not the Scottish play.
Speaker 3: I like that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it was really sweet.
Speaker 1: I just I loved that his character trait is is British,
Speaker 1: is going to quote British ship.
Speaker 3: All the time and really really slamby on top about it.
Speaker 3: He's becoming a very interesting character.
Speaker 5: Jam Miss talks about that a little bit. I'd love
Speaker 5: to share. He says, I like Marcus quoting literature, Shakespeare included.
Speaker 5: So it's something I've peppered through is character. And though
Speaker 5: I am trying to avoid too much of it, We'll see.
Speaker 3: We'll see a lot this episode, I think, and one
Speaker 3: is a little much.
Speaker 2: I know a lot.
Speaker 5: It's a lot. And he says that, he says, you
Speaker 5: know he's talking about writing him, and he says, I
Speaker 5: don't know exactly what he's saying too. He says, I
Speaker 5: agree with you and Marcus, I don't know what the
Speaker 5: comment was. I'm finding I have the same problem with
Speaker 5: him that I have with Londo, getting him to shut
Speaker 5: up once I wire him up and let him go.
Speaker 5: He's a lot of fun to write, and that he
Speaker 5: can do the physical action stuff very well. He can
Speaker 5: do comedy more dramatic, emotional stuff, the whole range. I
Speaker 5: can take him places and do things with him that
Speaker 5: I can't in some ways for other characters, and that
Speaker 5: he only has one responsibility, whereas the others have larger
Speaker 5: responsibilities to more people. It's really you know, it's fun.
Speaker 5: And she's like, I can't, I can't stop.
Speaker 1: I can't stop some characters that are really fun to
Speaker 1: write sometimes and you're like, I can't. I have a
Speaker 1: hard time putting you down so that other people can talk.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, So I gotta I gotta say this. This
Speaker 3: was absolutely one of the episodes of all time.
Speaker 2: Okay, I was curious to know your thoughts.
Speaker 3: It was because much meaner than me.
Speaker 7: I like you.
Speaker 3: All the episodes of Babylon five I've watched, this was
Speaker 3: one of them.
Speaker 2: I am going to tell you you are like right
Speaker 2: on the brain wave of JMS gus this happens. I know.
Speaker 3: I didn't dislike him.
Speaker 2: I'm going to quote him from the Lurkers Guide. My
Speaker 2: personal evaluation of the episode is that it's okay, all right.
Speaker 2: The second half I think isn't as strong as the
Speaker 2: first half, and he explains what happened halfway through writing
Speaker 2: the episode. We had a problem come up in production
Speaker 2: that unexpectedly took me away from the script for about
Speaker 2: a week. Nothing major, but it had to be dealt with. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Usually I write copious notes on a script before I
Speaker 2: begin writing it. In this case, the story was so
Speaker 2: crystalline in my head that I just dived in and
Speaker 2: was blasting away terrific when the hit came midway through.
Speaker 2: At the time I got back, i'd lost some of
Speaker 2: the fingerprints in the story and had to sort of
Speaker 2: refined them again. Mainly, I think the expository secrets at
Speaker 2: the end could have been done better.
Speaker 3: It's so much talking. It was a lot of talking.
Speaker 3: It's not again, I'm not look, look, it was fine.
Speaker 3: It was fine. Yeah, it's fine. I would put it
Speaker 3: squarely above you know, t Ko possibly so Hunter. Yeah,
Speaker 3: definitely above Grail. What was the other one earlier this season?
Speaker 1: The weeking hating on Grail again?
Speaker 3: Grail's fine. This was a lot like Grail.
Speaker 1: I just feel like, okay when you say because for me,
Speaker 1: saying like this was one of the episodes of all time.
Speaker 1: It's like the ultimate diss where it's like I hated it.
Speaker 3: No, I would say that episode sucked, I would say,
Speaker 3: but I would spend like an hour of the discussion
Speaker 3: yelling about t k O. Right right, You know how
Speaker 3: I talked about TKO.
Speaker 2: He went on for a long time about he could
Speaker 2: have been, this, could have been, could have been. It
Speaker 2: was just a lot of what it could.
Speaker 1: I believe it. I've seen this man rant about stuff
Speaker 1: before I move ran.
Speaker 3: Here's what I'm comfortable sharing. You've seen me rant about
Speaker 3: the greatest show Stop. It's fine, It's fine. I think
Speaker 3: it's a beautifully made film. I think it's an incredible,
Speaker 3: magnificent production.
Speaker 5: I think the quote, I think the quote was it's
Speaker 5: a great musical.
Speaker 3: Seven great music videos in a trench code pretending to
Speaker 3: be a movie. That's the way he said, great music videos.
Speaker 8: The performances are phenomenal and the music is so catchy.
Speaker 8: He also goes on a rant about P. T. Barnum
Speaker 8: for a long time and how he's a very bad
Speaker 8: man and how we shouldn't be making a movie saying
Speaker 8: that he was a good man. Yeah, because he was
Speaker 8: a bad man.
Speaker 1: And that's true. He was a bad bad man, and
Speaker 1: like to pretend that he was like uplifting these people
Speaker 1: is crazy, but like, but at the same time, what
Speaker 1: a song?
Speaker 3: What are great?
Speaker 1: I am breath, I am like, wow, it's so good.
Speaker 3: Songs are fantastic.
Speaker 1: Dear Evan Hanson is also an unhinged musical Like with this.
Speaker 3: I said, just one of the episodes of all time.
Speaker 3: It's not one of the worst episodes. It's not one
Speaker 3: of the best episodes. It's one of the episodes.
Speaker 1: But see when you say that to me, that's like
Speaker 1: I would say that about when I hated Do you
Speaker 1: know what I mean?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 1: And to me, this was like a solid mid tier episode.
Speaker 3: You should go watch me talk about Well.
Speaker 1: No, see I've heard yeah, no, I have heard you
Speaker 1: rant before about things you don't like. Believe me, I
Speaker 1: have heard it all. I know what you sound like
Speaker 1: when you don't like something. I'm not surprised by this.
Speaker 1: This is one of the things I like best about
Speaker 1: you is when you hate something. Yeah, because you know what,
Speaker 1: here's the thing. Being married, it's fun to love something together.
Speaker 1: It's really fun to hate something together. That's also one
Speaker 1: of the things that just keeps the world moving. Like
Speaker 1: when when when when we're at a party and someone
Speaker 1: says something that I know going to talk about in
Speaker 1: the car like gone to ah, Like when something happens
Speaker 1: and you know you're going to debrief about this, that's
Speaker 1: that's one of the reasons to be alive.
Speaker 5: I'm not even going to tell you, like what what
Speaker 5: the signal and like what David may say, because then
Speaker 5: that's because I'm on a podcast right now and everyone
Speaker 5: that knows this will be like, oh, I know what
Speaker 5: that means.
Speaker 1: Yeah, whens my hold hands at something. Sometimes it's affection,
Speaker 1: and sometimes it's because we're squeezing each other's hands.
Speaker 5: So hard desperate, like to say you're.
Speaker 1: Like one time, Gus was sitting in the road in
Speaker 1: front of me because we didn't get seats together, and
Speaker 1: somebody did something in a play that he hates, and
Speaker 1: he turned his whole body around to look at me,
Speaker 1: and I was like, turn back around. We're at the theater.
Speaker 1: They can see you.
Speaker 3: It's a black box, was it?
Speaker 5: And he turns away from that person.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there was a period of time in which there
Speaker 1: were there was there was a fortunate tendency on behalf
Speaker 1: of theater in a particular place that we lived to
Speaker 1: have a monologue toward the end of the show where
Speaker 1: somebody says don't you see we are and then say
Speaker 1: the title of the show, right and listen, new work.
Speaker 3: It's fine, yeah, we wrote.
Speaker 1: I get to do stuff in like it's like there's
Speaker 1: like trends that people will do, and you're like everyone's
Speaker 1: doing the shows.
Speaker 3: In a row where you do the whole show and
Speaker 3: then there's a big, big, long argument monologue thing and
Speaker 3: the main character is yelling at their uncle about something
Speaker 3: and they go, don't you see the so and so
Speaker 3: was us all along? And I just wanted to get
Speaker 3: up and be like shot so fuck.
Speaker 1: So this happened. This is like our tenth, our tenth
Speaker 1: like show that we had seen that this happened in,
Speaker 1: and Gus turned his entire body around to look at me,
Speaker 1: and I was like, turn back around.
Speaker 3: Everyone can see. After we cut that, I will tell
Speaker 3: you the specific dialogue because it was agregious that.
Speaker 1: Listen, we're not haters though, like no, no, no, no no,
Speaker 1: Like I've read that of course everybody had, but it
Speaker 1: was like it was this whole thing where it's like
Speaker 1: where it's it was just a particular pet beave of
Speaker 1: Guses at that point in time. But like, because it
Speaker 1: happened so much that was. It was just oversaturated for
Speaker 1: us at that point, so like, yeah, yeah, so I
Speaker 1: was like, turn turn back around, but oh fuck I
Speaker 1: but I see, if I were to say that something
Speaker 1: was one of the episodes of all time, I would
Speaker 1: say that about something I really hated.
Speaker 3: It was okay, I don' think it was terrible. It
Speaker 3: makes sense that because I was going to ask you, like,
Speaker 3: did he get really sick in the middle of this
Speaker 3: one too?
Speaker 2: And I, I don't feel like.
Speaker 5: It was that.
Speaker 3: And then as I was thinking of saying that, I
Speaker 3: just feel.
Speaker 1: Like writing is so hard that I really have a
Speaker 1: hard time hating on I'm not. I just well, even
Speaker 1: if it's passible, I.
Speaker 2: Did addes, but.
Speaker 5: I'm going to read I'm going to read an I'm
Speaker 5: going to I'm going to read another quote from the
Speaker 5: Lakers guy, because as Jenny said that you are right on,
Speaker 5: you are right on with him. I mean like people
Speaker 5: were like, he responds to this like three or four
Speaker 5: different times than the Lurkers guys, So clearly people were like,
Speaker 5: this episode wasn't great, and they're kind of calling him
Speaker 5: on it, and he says, you know, thanks, I think
Speaker 5: I don't know what he's responding to I think I've
Speaker 5: said from the get go that my view of the
Speaker 5: second half of this isn't up to the first. It is,
Speaker 5: in my view, the weakest of the season's twenty two.
Speaker 5: On the flip side, that means the other twenty one
Speaker 5: are pretty nifty.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because it's so horrible, it's just.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I would I would say it nifty.
Speaker 3: If this is the worst of the episode, the season
Speaker 3: is great because this was fine. This again, this is
Speaker 3: one where I'm like, this is a this is a
Speaker 3: season three episode of Star Trek the Next Generation.
Speaker 1: Maybe I'm just but I'm just like, I don't know
Speaker 1: the man about twenty two episodes A great job.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying that his neck.
Speaker 1: Well, I also love that.
Speaker 2: He like this because this is not like this kind
Speaker 2: of responses to me would make sense after the show
Speaker 2: is done, like being like, oh, yeah, I didn't like
Speaker 2: that episode, but this one. But he's not doing this
Speaker 2: while the show is airing, like that's amazing to me
Speaker 2: that he's it is like answering questions, Oh I didn't
Speaker 2: I didn't like this episode, like talking about it while
Speaker 2: it's airy, that's wild wild.
Speaker 3: Look, here's kind of to crystallize my thoughts, which is
Speaker 3: also I'm just realizing what he was talking about. The
Speaker 3: episode was crystallized. I didn't mean to steal his verbiage,
Speaker 3: but to crystallize my thoughts. The idea of these organic
Speaker 3: libraries of Alexandria. It's cool. Unfortunately arry have that with
Speaker 3: the Soul Hunters. Oh yeah, we do already have that.
Speaker 3: We already have the idea kind of of implanted personalities,
Speaker 3: dual personalities with the Cheese Whiz a little bit. It's different,
Speaker 3: but like people being taken over, people not being who
Speaker 3: they seem, the the the I don't really see what
Speaker 3: else we can do with the jellyfish, spine monsters and it. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I get like, I understand that they need to keep
Speaker 3: themselves secret, but also like the guy knew Franklin, and
Speaker 3: it doesn't It doesn't make a lot of sense to
Speaker 3: me that these people who are like trying to make
Speaker 3: ends meet would just go like, sure, put the jellyfish
Speaker 3: in my spine, fuck me up, without you know, talking
Speaker 3: to the person who they have a connection to.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but they knew Marcus, they didn't know Franklin.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm sorry they wouldn't. But the one guy, very very.
Speaker 5: Jellous Samuel Samuel, Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, but but like or or the other or
Speaker 3: Duncan men who like knew Marcus and had connections to Marcus,
Speaker 3: and I know people do ship sometimes, but it's just
Speaker 3: kind of they both knew Marcus still, and Marcus came down,
Speaker 3: was like, hey, what's going on, and they were like,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna be really fucking weird about this, Like just
Speaker 3: take him off to the side and explain the situation.
Speaker 3: M it's just him, because if you trust him, then
Speaker 3: explain it in a way that you're not like a
Speaker 3: total fucking creep about it and don't have guns on him.
Speaker 3: Like I understand again keeping it a secret, but it's
Speaker 3: just kind of like.
Speaker 5: There's even clear right of course we all have. There's
Speaker 5: the line when Stephen and and Marcus are in the
Speaker 5: in prison. Then they're in their jail cell and they're like,
Speaker 5: we could we may still hurt you. There's no gut
Speaker 5: and and he says you wouldn't understand, and then like
Speaker 5: they're like, Okay, the only way you'll understand is if
Speaker 5: we literally just like kind of kill one of us
Speaker 5: or like take your friend who was sick and make
Speaker 5: him sick. Again, although he didn't look sick when he
Speaker 5: was going off to explore the world. But you know,
Speaker 5: I was like, yeah, there could have been subtler in
Speaker 5: better ways to handle all of this all the way
Speaker 5: through it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not bad.
Speaker 3: It's just needed like two more drafts and he didn't
Speaker 3: have time. I never got JMS.
Speaker 2: I love this show.
Speaker 5: We can just take a rip on the on the
Speaker 5: lack of lack of time and time and money resource blaming.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah he is. He's not just writing. He is obviously,
Speaker 2: like if he was just writing a movie enough, but
Speaker 2: he's also show running and like supervising everything. It's a lot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but he did.
Speaker 2: Say he never trusted not writing notes again, Like he's like,
Speaker 2: every time after this, I wrote notes because he thought
Speaker 2: that he would remember, and then when he went back
Speaker 2: he's like, oh shit.
Speaker 1: A painful. As a writer always you have to write
Speaker 1: everything down immediately.
Speaker 8: From a continuity perspective, or at least do a voice memo.
Speaker 3: Handsome Lieutenant is going to be a problem.
Speaker 2: Handsome Lieutenant. His name is Corwin. I'm going to tell
Speaker 2: you something now, just because I want to say this
Speaker 2: is a long time. No, no, no, it's just I
Speaker 2: keep biting my tongue to not say this, to tell
Speaker 2: you this, but I can't because it's just my favorite
Speaker 2: thing in the world. Charlie when she was going through
Speaker 2: this series, she kept calling him communications twig, and so
Speaker 2: I want to call him communications.
Speaker 3: Well, now he's communications to me.
Speaker 1: There's something very raw from yeah yeah about him. So
Speaker 1: I was just like, there ain't no way this guy
Speaker 1: is good. I was like, I'm automatic, I see a
Speaker 1: blonde person in cinema, I'm like, the bad blonde.
Speaker 2: He's not blonde, is he?
Speaker 1: Is he blonde?
Speaker 2: Blue eyes? Yeah?
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 3: I said, blond hair and.
Speaker 1: Blue eyed people, And I'm like, that's a bad person
Speaker 1: right there. And like, Ali, your blond hair.
Speaker 5: Like what I said, if you take communications twink and
Speaker 5: you make it into a portmanteau, it's corwin.
Speaker 1: So wait, that's so true and you're clever. Should you
Speaker 1: should write thank you? Maybe I've always said that.
Speaker 5: We'll think about it. I do want to say, I said,
Speaker 5: I said early on, I said to Gus, I was like, oh, wait,
Speaker 5: I want you to make a what what do we
Speaker 5: call it when we make a SoundBite and you can
Speaker 5: push it.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I was like, I want one that says, I don't
Speaker 5: like being poked by doctors. I take that back because
Speaker 5: I forgot because it's in the allercal. Thank you. That's
Speaker 5: so much better. Let's keep that one because I don't
Speaker 5: think being poked by doctors is a line from a
Speaker 5: Clockwork Orange, which is my least favorite movie ever that
Speaker 5: I've never seen.
Speaker 1: You've never seen it, and I'm so afraid.
Speaker 5: I'm so afraid to see it. I'm so afraid to
Speaker 5: see it. I'm so afraid to see it.
Speaker 1: It's sorry.
Speaker 5: I have.
Speaker 2: Trauma associated with that movie, so I don't know if
Speaker 2: the movie is good. But I watched it with a
Speaker 2: guy who I didn't realize much like Evanova was hitting
Speaker 2: on me, and he invited me back to his place
Speaker 2: to watch it because we've been talking about the.
Speaker 1: That is a weird movie to watch with the person
Speaker 1: you're hitting on. That's the weirdest possible. There's nothing, there's nothing, no.
Speaker 2: It never occurred to me that he would be hitting
Speaker 2: on me because we were talking about o'clock or Gorrange. Well, yeah,
Speaker 2: hit a serial killer, like, but this is how he
Speaker 2: hit on me because we he was it's very difficult
Speaker 2: to explain, but he was living in a hotel at
Speaker 2: the time, because he was working at the hotel, so
Speaker 2: they had so yeah, so we went back to his room.
Speaker 2: We were on his bed because there was a bed
Speaker 2: and a television. There wasn't anything else to sit, right,
Speaker 2: So we're on his bed and the movie is going on,
Speaker 2: and then he like just starts trying to touch me
Speaker 2: and like cuddle with me. Who watching a clockwork? Right?
Speaker 3: That?
Speaker 1: No, just like that is the worst movie choice.
Speaker 5: That's when you're making the same place.
Speaker 1: There's like another worst movie choice, like Shindler's Wist.
Speaker 5: Like my version of that as Good Fellas actually, but
Speaker 5: that's not quite as bad.
Speaker 1: But I was forced by n Ex to watch Clockwork Orange,
Speaker 1: but not in like it was not a romantic setting.
Speaker 1: It was like a bunch of us but.
Speaker 2: Trying to caress my like he was. I remember his
Speaker 2: hand rubbing my.
Speaker 1: Thigh, my back. No, no, no, that is one of
Speaker 1: the least sexy movies of all time.
Speaker 3: I had this experience.
Speaker 2: So I just add on to this the layer that
Speaker 2: I'm a lesbian, Like yeah.
Speaker 1: It's I mean, there's a lot of layers. There's a
Speaker 1: lot of layers to impact that story.
Speaker 3: I had this experience with for Red October.
Speaker 2: I mean that doesn't feel quite as bad.
Speaker 1: Okay, everybody in the comments has to tell us the
Speaker 1: worst movie. Someone's trying to make out what they do.
Speaker 3: You know we ended up making out. Actually, yeah, thirteen.
Speaker 2: Years you haven't. I would remember I made up to October.
Speaker 1: You have never doing this story ever.
Speaker 2: Remember that you made out to the high school October.
Speaker 3: So well, if anybody is gonna do, it's gonna be me.
Speaker 5: It's crazy, that's.
Speaker 7: About you.
Speaker 1: Thirteen years in?
Speaker 5: Do I know you?
Speaker 1: Like, first I find out that this man had a
Speaker 1: friend in high school named Shoebag.
Speaker 3: It wasn't very close was a few months ago, to
Speaker 3: be clear.
Speaker 1: That was like friends like my friend's shoe bag.
Speaker 3: My friend Slinky was much closer with shoe Bag than
Speaker 3: I was.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, okay, But the fact that I'm thirteen years
Speaker 1: in did not know that you had a friend from
Speaker 1: high school named Shoebag.
Speaker 2: It's crazy.
Speaker 5: This is called mystery. This is a good way about me.
Speaker 1: You know everything about me. There's like, there's so few
Speaker 1: stories that I can pop. I don't think there's a
Speaker 1: story that I have that you have not heard at
Speaker 1: this point. And the fact that I am uncovering things
Speaker 1: about you is crazy to me.
Speaker 5: Layers, Gus Layer, it's mystery.
Speaker 1: The fact that you made out to the Hunt for
Speaker 1: Red October and are choosing now this day, I thought
Speaker 1: you the first twenty twenty six. To drop that on
Speaker 1: me is so crazy. We've been together thirteen years.
Speaker 3: I've definitely told you this.
Speaker 1: David still dropped surprises on you.
Speaker 5: Jen recently, there was something we both like, said something
Speaker 5: recently and we were like, yeah, mystery, still mystery all
Speaker 5: these years, and we love it. Every time we can,
Speaker 5: we like something come to drop like that. Also, I
Speaker 5: have to say, making out to Hunt for Red October
Speaker 5: isn't exactly like earth shattering thing that he's like, Yeah,
Speaker 5: it's seems like it's something he had to tell you nobody.
Speaker 1: It's so funny.
Speaker 5: How have I not heard that funny? Wait?
Speaker 2: Wait, wait, funny?
Speaker 1: Like you've been keeping a funny story for me. How
Speaker 1: dare you, Harlot Harlotta just keep a funny story from
Speaker 1: your wife? That's not that's crazy.
Speaker 5: Speaking of the Hunt for Red October, I have to
Speaker 5: go back to the show with it because there's irrelevance
Speaker 5: to the show early on in the episode you were
Speaker 5: one of us. Some of us said that sounded like
Speaker 5: Sean Connery, you know, like somebody voiceover something sounded like
Speaker 5: Sean Connery. One of us said it maybe I said that.
Speaker 5: I don't know, but in the beginning it sounded like
Speaker 5: Shan Connery. And then here it is. Somebody asked, was
Speaker 5: that Sean Connery's voice at the beginning, and he says.
Speaker 3: It was a voice.
Speaker 5: Then the Walla group that basically came out sounding that way,
Speaker 5: and then I'm excited to like, I imagine this whole
Speaker 5: group of people doing Walla, like the whole voiceover team
Speaker 5: doing Walla, and they're also and someone's like, I'm going
Speaker 5: to do the voice.
Speaker 2: I was going to ask you, what is a wala?
Speaker 2: I read that and I was like, I don't know
Speaker 2: what that is.
Speaker 5: Wala is when you have like background actors, like you
Speaker 5: know you've got you don't want your background actors actually
Speaker 5: like talking loudly in the like in the back of
Speaker 5: the zocalobe, Like you're like, don't talk as we were
Speaker 5: actually recording these people up here. We don't want to
Speaker 5: like have voices showing up. So afterwards you get a
Speaker 5: group of people who are often like called the loop
Speaker 5: group to do like background noise sounds like what people
Speaker 5: would be saying in the background of a place. And
Speaker 5: so if you want an announcement, you can also just
Speaker 5: like be like, hey, have one of these people do
Speaker 5: an announcement, Like that would be a PA announcement.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so super awkward if you're like doing a celebration
Speaker 1: scene or something like that, because you're quietly celebrating your background,
Speaker 1: you're like yeah, and like then the job in the
Speaker 1: sound later and it's like other people.
Speaker 3: The trick that I learned for making it look like
Speaker 3: you're actually talking is you just mouth PE's and carrots
Speaker 3: over and yeah, yeah, I've heard that.
Speaker 5: Actually, there was somebody that they handed something to at
Speaker 5: the very beginning of the episode, and it was Garibaldi
Speaker 5: handed the guy something. I think it was like during
Speaker 5: that first thing, and he he was like he handed
Speaker 5: it to him, and the guy wasn't supposed to say anything,
Speaker 5: and right as Garabelle started to turn and walk away,
Speaker 5: he was like yep or thinks or something like that,
Speaker 5: and I was like, he did not have a line.
Speaker 5: He does not have a line, and you are not
Speaker 5: supposed to vocalize, and like have say a line because
Speaker 5: you get paid differently. And yeah, I was like, we
Speaker 5: you just trying to turn yourself into an under five there,
Speaker 5: mister mister.
Speaker 1: No, people absolutely try though, They absolutely try, like and
Speaker 1: and to an extent where it's like a little unhinged.
Speaker 1: Like I saw one clip of I think it was
Speaker 1: one of the Spider Man movies where like one of
Speaker 1: the extras was like doing the most to get noticed, which.
Speaker 5: Is the fastest way to get fired off the show.
Speaker 1: It is the fastest way to get fired. Like, like
Speaker 1: people give you such bad advice in Hollywood. It's like
Speaker 1: really bad. Like they'll be like they'll be like show
Speaker 1: up at their house, and you're like, do not show
Speaker 1: up at their house. You will get the police called
Speaker 1: on you so fast and everyone will know about it,
Speaker 1: like you do. Just like people will be like people
Speaker 1: like just walk into Sonyum Like, first of all, you cannot,
Speaker 1: like you cannot, they will not let you pass those gates.
Speaker 1: But second like that it is not nineteen eighty two anymore,
Speaker 1: Like you cannot walk into someplace and ask for a job.
Speaker 1: That is just not how life works anymore. And people
Speaker 1: will give you the worst advice out here. Sometimes about
Speaker 1: that kind of thing, and it's like, do not listen,
Speaker 1: do not listen. You do not want to be remembered
Speaker 1: in a bad way, like standing out can be can
Speaker 1: be gray if you're in, if you're normal about it.
Speaker 1: But that's a gamble. It's a real gamble.
Speaker 2: Okay, back to Yeah, we've got communications, Twink, we've got spine.
Speaker 3: Worms, We've got we got Yeah, you already talked about communications.
Speaker 3: Twink got synthetic.
Speaker 2: Roses and Marcus and Havanava.
Speaker 3: Why is everyone learning? Why are we doing the plot
Speaker 3: where everybody's got a thing for Havanavasava. She's gorgeous, she's
Speaker 3: very very cool character. She's she's beautiful and attractive inside
Speaker 3: and out. But I like, didn't claud you Christian specifically
Speaker 3: not want like a bunch of romance plots?
Speaker 2: This was I mean, I was gonna say this plot
Speaker 2: was Banava not realizing she's in a romance plot.
Speaker 3: That's true, that's kind of funny.
Speaker 1: He doesn't.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but there's now multiple multiple weird communications. Twink and
Speaker 3: Resident Hotman are both like, Havanna was so great.
Speaker 2: I don't think communications exactly. He was inter he was
Speaker 2: just like, I guess I have to yeah. I think
Speaker 2: she was like.
Speaker 5: I think he was like, does she like me? Am
Speaker 5: I supposed to like her? Should I like her? Should
Speaker 5: I bring flowers?
Speaker 1: Is this a date?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 5: I don't know if it's a date? Did I Maybe
Speaker 5: I do like her? I mean I think it's one
Speaker 5: of those like I wouldn't think of looking at my
Speaker 5: superior officer in that way until they opened the door,
Speaker 5: and then oh, maybe that's something. But I don't think
Speaker 5: he's like, I don't, okay.
Speaker 3: Fair enough, but she.
Speaker 2: To it of like is it a date? That's a
Speaker 2: very lesbian thing of just are we on a date?
Speaker 2: Or are we just hanging out? I'm not sure what's
Speaker 2: happening now.
Speaker 3: I remember reading this this Tumblr exchange for this.
Speaker 2: This Oh yeah, I was literally thinking of that exact one. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I guy trips over to girls like they're lying together
Speaker 2: on the sand, and another one oh okay, but this
Speaker 2: way it trips over of these two girls lying together
Speaker 2: on the sand and he goes, oh, I'm so sorry,
Speaker 2: I didn't mean to interrupt your date, and one of
Speaker 2: them is like, oh, I mean thank you for not
Speaker 2: like for saying that, because we are both gay. But
Speaker 2: this isn't a date, and he turns to the other
Speaker 2: girl and goes, I'm sorry that you're out with such
Speaker 2: a dumb ass that she doesn't realize she's on a
Speaker 2: date with you.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I know, right, Oh my god, that's great.
Speaker 2: That it was very much a date.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the one I saw this woman said, guys, I'm
Speaker 3: so flustered. I'm over at this this girlfriend's house and
Speaker 3: I'm cooking dinner for her. And she just walked up
Speaker 3: behind me and like put her arms around me and
Speaker 3: gave me a hug and like kissed the back of
Speaker 3: my neck. And I don't know what to do, and
Speaker 3: she goes, what do you you cook a dinner for
Speaker 3: your girlfriend? And she kissed you what's the problem, because no, no,
Speaker 3: we're not We're not together or anything. I'm just you know,
Speaker 3: we get together at each other's houses and make dinner
Speaker 3: and like kiss sometimes. And then five minutes later she
Speaker 3: replied and said, Okay, so I brought this up to
Speaker 3: her and she looked at me funny and said, we've
Speaker 3: been dating for three months.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, we're want to talk because you and I
Speaker 1: were like six months.
Speaker 3: So to be clear, the girl in that post was
Speaker 3: like flustered because she was like, I don't know what
Speaker 3: to do. I think she's so cute. I don't know
Speaker 3: how to tell her this.
Speaker 1: So yeah, that's the problem, and this is why communication
Speaker 1: is important.
Speaker 2: Sorry, Jenny, I was gonna say, no, I haven't had
Speaker 2: that extreme of lesbian obliviousness. But I did find out
Speaker 2: after I'd been in Korea for like a year that
Speaker 2: I had been quietly rejecting advances for like a year
Speaker 2: and I had not realized it because every time I
Speaker 2: went out, Koreans have like a set list of questions.
Speaker 2: They ask you, you know, how old are you, where
Speaker 2: are you from? Blah blah blah. These are normal, but
Speaker 2: I would get asked like how old are you, where
Speaker 2: are you from? Blah blah blah? Do you live alone?
Speaker 2: And I would answer all of these questions without a
Speaker 2: problem and then move on with my life and just
Speaker 2: go on. And I was out with a group of friends,
Speaker 2: including one Korean woman, and talking We were talking about like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: these questions that we always get asked, and I added
Speaker 2: do you live alone? And there was just dead silence,
Speaker 2: and then Korean girls like, who is asking you if
Speaker 2: you live alone? I'm like, oh, these young girls, I
Speaker 2: need at like lesbian clubs and bars. She's like, and
Speaker 2: what do you do when they ask him? Like, I
Speaker 2: tell them I live alone, and she's like and then
Speaker 2: what I'm like, no, nothing, nothing. She's like, Jenny, they're
Speaker 2: asking you if you live alone because they want to
Speaker 2: go to your place, because nobody lives alone in Korea.
Speaker 2: And that is a question you ask because you're like,
Speaker 2: do we have a place to fuck?
Speaker 9: Like that's.
Speaker 2: For a year may quietly being like yeah, but nothing
Speaker 2: else nothing.
Speaker 1: I feel seen by that as well. I never know
Speaker 1: when someone's hitting on me, and like, listen, I'm married,
Speaker 1: so but like it still happens sometimes, like I'm out
Speaker 1: and about and I never know. I just think everyone's
Speaker 1: so friends.
Speaker 3: I am now having the most intense slashbacks to high school.
Speaker 2: And I'm very mad about it because you know how
Speaker 2: much sex I get have been having my first year
Speaker 2: in Korea then I just didn't know about.
Speaker 5: And then you've got a reputation as being the girl
Speaker 5: who's like not insistent in anybody.
Speaker 1: Well you know she'll turn you down every time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, very nice. She doesn't mean about it, She just
Speaker 2: like just walks away.
Speaker 1: So funny. I'm just always like everyone's so friendly. And
Speaker 1: my friends are like that person was hitting on you
Speaker 1: and I'm like, what, yeah, which is really nice. They're like, Ali, No, okay,
Speaker 1: thank god, I haven't been single. I don't know what
Speaker 1: I would be doing. No, I have not been single
Speaker 1: my entire adult life.
Speaker 3: It's a good thing. I'm learning.
Speaker 1: It's a good thing. So so sorry, it's already a
Speaker 1: good thing, I should say, but it's extra good because
Speaker 1: I don't know what I would be doing.
Speaker 3: I think that Marcus Ivanova's stuff will continue to go
Speaker 3: in some direction. I think that, yeah, the communications twink
Speaker 3: is going to continue to be some kind of problem.
Speaker 3: Pete's foot is a framed dog and fram tabin. I
Speaker 3: don't think that the spine worms are going to come back, honestly,
Speaker 3: because we already duns.
Speaker 1: Spine worms are essential to the plot. They're going to
Speaker 1: be actually the most important. That's gonna be the most important.
Speaker 3: It always fucking is, always is. Yeah, this guy named
Speaker 3: Parrazzi come up every thirty fucking seconds.
Speaker 2: They killed the other They killed the other one, so
Speaker 2: they did mark. They didn't mention other There were they
Speaker 2: mentioned Brikiri. There were some of the corpse eating ones
Speaker 2: that were in the background.
Speaker 3: Yes, I saw that some of those too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but the corpus eating is really unfortunate. So like,
Speaker 1: I feel like we forget about them.
Speaker 3: Something about this one. There's no de Lenn, there's no Near,
Speaker 3: there's no Jakar, there's no Veer, there's no Londoedry were mentioned,
Speaker 3: but it's just like we mentioned. I'm sorry, we did
Speaker 3: talk about the rangers.
Speaker 1: You know what might be important.
Speaker 3: We talked about it.
Speaker 1: You know what might be important from this episode? Yeah,
Speaker 1: is that shadow conversation that is important?
Speaker 3: But again, it was like the whole episode is about
Speaker 3: how we're not talking about that, but that.
Speaker 1: Might be important.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm sure that might.
Speaker 1: That might be a line that proves to be very important.
Speaker 3: My first thought was this spine jellyfish where they're not jellyfish,
Speaker 3: and well, it's always jellyfish. The parasites, I thought that
Speaker 3: they were like shadow advanced strike forces, conspiracy. I thought
Speaker 3: it wasn't start working stanth conspiracy.
Speaker 2: You did mention that, yeah, yeah, and that effect that effect. Incidentally,
Speaker 2: the way you reacted to it in Oh gosh, where
Speaker 2: is it in the Lurkers guide? But I think they
Speaker 2: were showing it to somebody and they could have like
Speaker 2: the person one of the producers I think, wasn't able
Speaker 2: to watch it, like it was.
Speaker 1: Hot, it gross, and they spines like I'm always like, no,
Speaker 1: not the spine, not the spine.
Speaker 2: They yeah, brought it into my office, fired it up
Speaker 2: at the TV and looked away, saying, you look, it
Speaker 2: creeps me up too much to look at it.
Speaker 5: We were all creeped out. But it also looked like
Speaker 5: a small version of the wrath of con bug, didn't it.
Speaker 5: I thought it looked like that, like the earwings, I
Speaker 5: call them air wings, and then.
Speaker 2: But they had it has that like thing at the top,
Speaker 2: like and in case, but he.
Speaker 5: Happened to see the Instagram thing that went viral this week,
Speaker 5: or like the person was like looking up at her
Speaker 5: ceiling and she has like one of those boob lights
Speaker 5: on the ceiling, the lights that look like a titty
Speaker 5: on the ceiling and you're watching it. You all know.
Speaker 2: I have one.
Speaker 5: Sorry, I live in between years. So anyway, the light
Speaker 5: turned on and you could see something moving around and
Speaker 5: now my first no, My first was like no it
Speaker 5: I thought it was goldfish. At first, I'm like, wait,
Speaker 5: you can't have goldfish and scorpions.
Speaker 1: No, multiple scorpions scorpions plural, No, No, one scorpion is
Speaker 1: a nightmare. Two scorpions is like I would burn the
Speaker 1: house to the ground. I would.
Speaker 5: Somebody's coming up.
Speaker 1: Enough for that to happen to me that we're gonna
Speaker 1: pretend like I didn't hear about that being possibility, because
Speaker 1: that is because I hear that if you focus on
Speaker 1: a thought for more than seventeen seconds, it begins to
Speaker 1: manifest in your life. Well, we're gone, it's got We're gone.
Speaker 1: That's crazy. No, No, I would never stop screaming. I would.
Speaker 3: That.
Speaker 1: See I've kind of okay, here's here's what happened. I
Speaker 1: was out in Japan. As we know, we haven't stopped
Speaker 1: talking about it, and so because it was awesome.
Speaker 3: Talking about twice this whole episode, well to.
Speaker 1: Them, we have a subject. But so so I went
Speaker 1: into this bathroom and this hike, and I was too
Speaker 1: distracted by the fact that it was kind of gross
Speaker 1: in there on the bottom area. I neglected to look
Speaker 1: up until I was in a very vulnerable state. Look up,
Speaker 1: and there are so many spiders over my head, just
Speaker 1: like slowly coming down. It was the most high steaks
Speaker 1: bet I've ever.
Speaker 3: Had in my life. I there so.
Speaker 1: Spiders of of ungodly sizes. Like it was not like
Speaker 1: a chill like like teenie. No, these were like this
Speaker 1: fucking big coming down toward my fucking head. And I
Speaker 1: came out. I was like, Gus, you need to check
Speaker 1: me all over my body right now because I'm about
Speaker 1: to lose it.
Speaker 2: Like I'm not.
Speaker 1: I'm not I wouldn't say like a rachnophobic, but I
Speaker 1: don't want them on my body.
Speaker 5: It was so many.
Speaker 1: I made him go look. I was like, go look
Speaker 1: in this women's bathroom. I don't care, like I'll give
Speaker 1: you special permission to go in there. And I was like,
Speaker 1: you need to see the nightmare that was above my
Speaker 1: head just now. It was so many. I was like,
Speaker 1: it was a godly amounts of spiders and moths and
Speaker 1: other bugs. But like most so yeah, and mostly spiders.
Speaker 3: Were in the woods north of Osaka.
Speaker 1: It was fun, yeah, but but p somewhere else. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I protest, do not go in that bathroom because you
Speaker 1: know what we should have known, because there were bug
Speaker 1: pictures outside of each bathroom.
Speaker 3: We kept making jokes.
Speaker 1: We kept making jokes about it. We're like oh, that's
Speaker 1: the B bathroom.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well and the mock bathroom, because you know, you
Speaker 3: go to Japan. I'm not gonna talk about your Pan
Speaker 3: that much, but you go to Japan, you can talk
Speaker 3: about all the toilets are great.
Speaker 1: And until this bathroom bathroom.
Speaker 3: And so we're walking, we're doing this hike and there's
Speaker 3: this it was the minnow Falls and you know, I
Speaker 3: guess it's two us. There was there's a bathroom with
Speaker 3: the art of a B a B on the other side.
Speaker 3: I said, this one is the B day. And we
Speaker 3: kept walking and there was one with a beetle. I said,
Speaker 3: this is the beatle a or the big beatle or something.
Speaker 7: We just.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the Butterfly Day, like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And then I came out of a bathroom. I
Speaker 1: was like, they weren't kidding about the bugs that actually
Speaker 1: that was the Warning.
Speaker 5: Spider Day.
Speaker 7: Day.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly exactly.
Speaker 1: It was terrifying.
Speaker 5: Mhm.
Speaker 2: The purpose of this episode, my guess you can, like
Speaker 2: you know, can help me as writers, but I think
Speaker 2: it was just like this is we're gonna let you
Speaker 2: spend some time with Marcus.
Speaker 5: Does that?
Speaker 1: Yes, this was a show like Marcus is a character.
Speaker 5: Episode it even said it up that way with the
Speaker 5: whole like we're not letting him into he can't come
Speaker 5: into your hearts, like you know, it was like, yeah,
Speaker 5: he can't sit with us at the cool cands table.
Speaker 5: And you know it's interesting too because the fact that
Speaker 5: he didn't have a communicator. I was just like, I
Speaker 5: assume that's because like that's for staff. That's fair. Yeah, right,
Speaker 5: but no, but it's really funny because actually JMS says something.
Speaker 2: He says, yes, I was going to be that next day,
Speaker 2: you got it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, why doesn't Marcus wear a link? And then JMS says,
Speaker 5: I just summoned up Marcus in my he head. Here's
Speaker 5: what he said, because I won't wear the bloody thing.
Speaker 5: That's why. Bad enough you've got those pages you wear
Speaker 5: in nineteen ninety six, No privacy, no chance to get away,
Speaker 5: always at somebody's beck and call. Why not just put
Speaker 5: a leash around your neck and get it over with.
Speaker 5: It'd be faster and a good deal more. Honest. I'm
Speaker 5: down than the bar, trying to be inconspicuous, dangerous characters
Speaker 5: on all sides, trying not to be noticed. And the
Speaker 5: link goes off and I'm dead or at minimum seriously
Speaker 5: thumped no, absolutely not. You'll never get me to wear
Speaker 5: one of those. That's fair, yes, and GMS says, this is,
Speaker 5: by the way, the reason I absolutely refused to wear
Speaker 5: a pager myself, because this was in the time of pagers.
Speaker 2: Yes, I am also gonna I'm going to disabuse us
Speaker 2: of one of my favorite bits from the show, just
Speaker 2: because it's the amount of comments I got about it is.
Speaker 2: They're right, Sheridan likely didn't put his link up his bike.
Speaker 3: Don't like it wasn't Actually I don't care it was.
Speaker 3: It was nestled between the cheeks.
Speaker 5: It was on it.
Speaker 2: That's actually likely true that it was nestled between the cheeks.
Speaker 2: It attaches to your skin. It's like genetically bonded. You
Speaker 2: attach it to your skin.
Speaker 3: It was on the butthole, just because I know.
Speaker 5: I saw a lot of people who actually said no,
Speaker 5: he just put it on his butt cheek. He just
Speaker 5: like slapped it on his butt cheek, And I'm like,
Speaker 5: why is that any safer to get getting searched?
Speaker 2: Then, like, ye, put it in the butt That's why
Speaker 2: I guess it's between the cheeks.
Speaker 1: It also made a grunting noise you got it. There
Speaker 1: was effort, There was effort, effort, Yes, it was. It was.
Speaker 3: It was between the cheeks, Okay, I understand. It was
Speaker 3: that we need to be pedantic sometimes, and you're all right.
Speaker 3: He didn't jam it. He didn't.
Speaker 1: He didn't want to hate fun. But it was between
Speaker 1: it's up his ass.
Speaker 2: Is too easy to see. So yeah, I would guess
Speaker 2: between the cheeks.
Speaker 1: Would Yeah, No, it was he grunted. That means something
Speaker 1: in America, Okay, because at that point you just.
Speaker 3: Put in your pocket, Like if you just want to
Speaker 3: put in your pocket, you gotta put it in a
Speaker 3: different pocket, different.
Speaker 1: Yeah, slap it on your chest then, don't.
Speaker 3: Be silly, you gotta you gotta put it where it's
Speaker 3: not going to be found between the cheeks.
Speaker 1: Minimum it was on the taint. Now like, ladies and
Speaker 1: gentlemen of the jury.
Speaker 3: That's worse.
Speaker 1: I'm never gonna get hired in this town again. Very high. Anyways,
Speaker 1: So children.
Speaker 2: Love butt jokes, anyway, they do.
Speaker 5: I have early Walt Disney. Actually every current I mean
Speaker 5: that's like every Walt Disney cartoon has but chets.
Speaker 1: Ladies and Gentlemen the jury. I present to you the
Speaker 1: concept of fun the concept of comedy. It was in
Speaker 1: the percept of we're having a good time talking about butts.
Speaker 1: Don't take this from us into twenty twenty six, the
Speaker 1: year of our Lord, we are allowed to joke about asses. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it was up the ass.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna totally hardcore steer us away from that for
Speaker 2: a second, just because this is just a note that
Speaker 2: I thought was I thought was interesting when we are
Speaker 2: first introduced to Duncan. He's got this weird wallpaper behind
Speaker 2: his head that looks like a halo, the way that
Speaker 2: he was lying there, and I thought that was like
Speaker 2: that that has to be on purpose that they gave
Speaker 2: him like some sort of angelic do just not.
Speaker 5: Cool cool.
Speaker 1: A lot of the time. I saw this recently, and
Speaker 1: I like that if a couple's not going to end
Speaker 1: up together, they'll have scenes with a barrier between them.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I know. Ever since I did those costume
Speaker 2: videos that you can't watch Ali, but there's costume videos, uh,
Speaker 2: from the from the Wheel of Time show with Pez
Speaker 2: where she analyzed, like analyzed costumes that looked for clues.
Speaker 2: I see stuff all the time. I'm like, oh, they're
Speaker 2: these two, they're going to get together, because even though
Speaker 2: they're not in a scene together, I could tell they
Speaker 2: literally matched.
Speaker 1: Clothes that mirror each other.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, blue is the protagonist color. So the protagonists wore
Speaker 1: blue stuff like that. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's wild that they points stuff. I'm like, oh,
Speaker 2: it's a spoiler. Literally, yea costumes. It's cool, kind of cool.
Speaker 3: You want to know the other one?
Speaker 2: But which is the other one?
Speaker 1: This one ruined iPhone?
Speaker 3: The iPhone thing. Yeah, it's in iPhone's terms of service
Speaker 3: that if you use you cannot use an iPhone in
Speaker 3: a way that negatively represents the Apple brand. Yeah. If
Speaker 3: you are making a murder mystery or mystery with a
Speaker 3: villain in it and one person has a non Apple phone.
Speaker 1: They're the killers.
Speaker 3: They're the problem.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is uh, this is the case in a particular.
Speaker 3: I don't want to say the name of it because
Speaker 3: it just gives it away, but you can bleep this
Speaker 3: the only guilty person with Android, right.
Speaker 1: So Gus and I were watching the movie and we
Speaker 1: both were like, well.
Speaker 2: We know who it is. Yeah, damn the That's not
Speaker 2: a not a problem in Korean movies because they all
Speaker 2: have Samsung, they all and they all none of them
Speaker 2: put none of them put cases on their phones, and
Speaker 2: it drives me insane. They're all walking around like sat
Speaker 2: with naked phone.
Speaker 1: That's crazy. Have you ever known someone in the wild
Speaker 1: that does that. It's like the craziest thing to see you, like.
Speaker 2: Myself, see your phone's tits coming up like.
Speaker 1: That's just naked. It's it's exposed to be, isn't it
Speaker 1: on display? Like to me, that's such an air of
Speaker 1: confidence that I just certain I just do not possess.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I dropped my phone once a sentence like.
Speaker 3: How so if Bruce were a phone, where would he
Speaker 3: put his? Right right in there, right up the.
Speaker 1: Charger charging port? Yes, we all know that right up there.
Speaker 1: But yeah, no that that's always a wild thing to see,
Speaker 1: is somebody without a phone case. You're like.
Speaker 3: Confidence than I do.
Speaker 1: You You trust yourself a crazy about like to your
Speaker 1: point where I don't feel safe around.
Speaker 3: You anything else on this one. By the way, you
Speaker 3: keep talking about this. I'm sorry, I thought.
Speaker 2: I literally have nothing else in this episode, like I
Speaker 2: have nothing else.
Speaker 5: For this one.
Speaker 3: I mean I know you have a you have a cutoff, right, Yeah?
Speaker 3: Did I make that? Oh?
Speaker 2: Not today?
Speaker 3: Not today? Never mind me shoot the shadow care. It's fine, it's.
Speaker 2: Okay, But I also know that you guys are jet
Speaker 2: lagged beyond anything. And I literally like we're shooting the ship.
Speaker 2: And that's not because I have nothing else to say.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because for you, it's one thirty PM. In my head,
Speaker 3: it's also one thirty thing I.
Speaker 1: Will ever die on. As he put that thing right up,
Speaker 1: and he did it for America, America.
Speaker 2: I'm not American.
Speaker 1: America.
Speaker 2: Will this come out around?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 1: Yeah, come jan you did not join in? Do you
Speaker 1: hate America?
Speaker 5: No? I could sing every line to Lee Greenwood song
Speaker 5: and just let me don't. You don't want me to
Speaker 5: get started, like you're.
Speaker 1: Like, I'm gen x Okay, I just want do you
Speaker 1: know how many fourth July story?
Speaker 5: Like you know, like I saw You're like.
Speaker 1: You're fat, you're traumatized. Millennial.
Speaker 2: Didn't let you know how not patriotic that song is.
Speaker 2: He made a version of it for Canada. There's like
Speaker 2: a it's just a shell, like it's just.
Speaker 3: Get that bag.
Speaker 2: You want a version of this song? Yes, I'm proud
Speaker 2: to be.
Speaker 3: Dance Freedom and the character third where I.
Speaker 5: Was just today talking about actually about the soundtrack to
Speaker 5: Team America. I'm gonna go sing that version instead. I mean,
Speaker 5: all of them America. I love that fucking soundtrack so
Speaker 5: fucking much.
Speaker 3: When when when I was in the Scouts, whenever you
Speaker 3: whenever you got Eagle Scout, you could do like this
Speaker 3: PowerPoint presentation with pictures from your from your time and
Speaker 3: the troop and your favorite memories. You can put whatever
Speaker 3: song you want. Two thirds of the people in the
Speaker 3: group picked that goddamn song, and I went No, Dragon
Speaker 3: Force through the Fire in the Flames.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was like, all right, because the Scouts just
Speaker 1: such a cool instant.
Speaker 3: No, because I like Dragon Force a lot.
Speaker 1: When I'm like, are just imagining these other nerds judging, Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: who are.
Speaker 3: You to judge me? Not particularly nerdy?
Speaker 1: It's not particularly dirty, No, I always thought. I mean
Speaker 1: the uniforms really do like not do you guys anything?
Speaker 2: They have a kerchief, don't you work?
Speaker 3: That's optional?
Speaker 2: The chief is optional.
Speaker 3: Chief is sorry.
Speaker 1: I got kicked out of the Girl Scouts, so I
Speaker 1: have grud.
Speaker 3: I had fun. It's an interesting organization. I was asked
Speaker 3: to leave.
Speaker 5: I didn't get invited into Brownies. I didn't even get
Speaker 5: let me join.
Speaker 1: Every kid, why wouldn't they let you join?
Speaker 5: They had too many girls, They wouldn't too many girls.
Speaker 1: That's terrible, that's terrible. See, okay, all right, so there
Speaker 1: you go. I listen. I don't want the girl Scouts
Speaker 1: coming after me. I don't even cared that the boys girls.
Speaker 1: I don't want to make enemies with a powerful institution.
Speaker 2: There is a whole behind the mast series on the
Speaker 2: Boys was alarming.
Speaker 3: So this problem is she's with it. I mean I
Speaker 3: have learned a lot from it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Gus loved being a Scout and his dad was
Speaker 1: a Scout and his grandfather was a Scout. But it's
Speaker 1: a whole thing.
Speaker 3: There's a lot of problems with.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but don't come for us.
Speaker 3: I no, no, because I want to. I remember I
Speaker 3: would go to National Jamboreze and I would also go
Speaker 3: to World Scout Jamborees, and the World Scout Jamborees were
Speaker 3: amazing because it's all about the international.
Speaker 2: It went in Korea a couple of years ago, but
Speaker 2: it would turned into a mess, like there are some
Speaker 2: the big problems with it. I can't remember it was
Speaker 2: national news here, but oh I.
Speaker 3: Went to one in London in two thousand and seven,
Speaker 3: I think. But then I would go to National Scout
Speaker 3: Jambreze and they were just like Urrah America America UHRA helicopters,
Speaker 3: and it's just like, what the fuck is this? This
Speaker 3: is not this is not fellowship, This is not what
Speaker 3: I signed up for. This is just like jingoism. This
Speaker 3: is not what I'm doing this for. But anyway, I'm sorry,
Speaker 3: I've got completely off topic.
Speaker 7: No, no.
Speaker 3: Market.
Speaker 1: My favorite thing, my favorite wait and then we'll talk
Speaker 1: about markets. But my favorite thing is that so the
Speaker 1: only other Scouts so in America, the boys Scouts is
Speaker 1: you know, like it's only boys, but the the other
Speaker 1: Scout well, okay, back in the day, and the only
Speaker 1: other Scouts troop that that was true about was Saudi Arabia.
Speaker 1: And then like every other country it was, it was
Speaker 1: co ed, and so Gus would go to these international
Speaker 1: things with all the American boys and all the other
Speaker 1: troops would yell sausage Fest told me.
Speaker 3: I don't know that that's what your dad told me.
Speaker 2: Maybe that was when you're that was in your dad's time.
Speaker 1: Maybe that was in your dad's time.
Speaker 3: I don't remember that.
Speaker 1: That does feel like a lot your dad's story but.
Speaker 3: I did think it was funny that every other country was.
Speaker 3: I don't think it's co ed now. I think there
Speaker 3: are troops of boys and troops of girls now, which
Speaker 3: is still like just fucking mixed for fus sake. Yeah,
Speaker 3: for a fox, I could be wrong. I'll look it up.
Speaker 3: Don't correct me. It's fine. But we would go these
Speaker 3: things and it would be like, the Italians are over there,
Speaker 3: it's just a bunch of kids. The Koreans are over there,
Speaker 3: It's just a bunch of kids. It's just people hanging
Speaker 3: out over here.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, anyway, anyway, Marcus is great. This episode was one
Speaker 3: of the episodes I've seen and I liked the I
Speaker 3: liked the parasite effect. I thought that was very good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was a deeply fact.
Speaker 2: When I realized this will be the first episode when
Speaker 2: you got back from Japan, I was like, oh.
Speaker 3: They're already tired.
Speaker 1: You already woke me up, to be honest, exadly wake
Speaker 1: me up. Actually it was fun like it would have
Speaker 1: been a soothing episode. This would have not gone as
Speaker 1: well for me. I think that was not a soothing shot.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I may eat and sleep, yeah A sorry, nothing else.
Speaker 3: So yeah, well, thanks, this was fun. I'm glad y'all
Speaker 3: didn't have y'all viewers, there was no break for you,
Speaker 3: but we had a long hiatus and I missed it.
Speaker 9: I know.
Speaker 5: It's since we've seen each other.
Speaker 3: Yes, okay, talking about.
Speaker 9: My friends, you have reached the most dangerous part of
Speaker 9: our journey, the Gray Council. Here we speak of things
Speaker 9: that must not be spoken, secrets, betrayals, spoilers. If you
Speaker 9: are not ready turned back now that if you dare
Speaker 9: to proceed, I promise you it will be.
Speaker 3: Manificent. We forget Abaldi.
Speaker 2: Well, there isn't March very spoilery in this one at all.
Speaker 2: I thought it was funny that they thought Corwin was
Speaker 2: gonna die, because no, he lives through the entire series. Yeah,
Speaker 2: do you have I have a couple of notes, but
Speaker 2: not many.
Speaker 5: The only well one of the notes, I mean, I
Speaker 5: like his predictions Marcus and levanva that like, yeah, Corwin
Speaker 5: will be an issue just in terms of like you know,
Speaker 5: like his his devotion to Earth. No more parasites. He's
Speaker 5: right about them too, we never see them again. But
Speaker 5: I also thought that Jos says, like at the top
Speaker 5: of the Lurkers Guide, he says that this is the
Speaker 5: last or maybe he doesn't say it. Is it not
Speaker 5: in the Lurkers guy, where is it? This is the
Speaker 5: last non arc episode for a while for Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 5: and I you know, I almost said something like this
Speaker 5: is one of those one offs, and I was like,
Speaker 5: I'm not going to say it because it does start
Speaker 5: to ramp up right after this one. Yeah, everything for
Speaker 5: the rest of the season is pretty well, is pretty
Speaker 5: plot important.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and Corwin, I find like it's it's very you
Speaker 2: can tell who JLS likes writing for and like who
Speaker 2: is a Keffer because like Coorwan is his side character,
Speaker 2: but he has a full personality and you know, like
Speaker 2: he gets he gets that like you see even like
Speaker 2: if you go back and watch episodes previous to this,
Speaker 2: he has like these small little lines, but his personality
Speaker 2: stays consistent yeah, through the show and later when he
Speaker 2: actually will join them later. Yeah, but it is it
Speaker 2: does feel consistent with his personality where they're like are
Speaker 2: you okay with this? In the middle of I Forget,
Speaker 2: like there's something happening where that where Babylon fib is
Speaker 2: literally doing something against the orders of Earth, and they're like,
Speaker 2: are you okay, and he's like, I think I think so,
Speaker 2: I think I am, which feels very consistent with his
Speaker 2: whole thing with Ivanova of like, is it a date?
Speaker 5: I guess so. I mean I think he's actually well,
Speaker 5: really well written in that way of like he's a
Speaker 5: young officer's he you know, he's gotten his first promotion.
Speaker 5: So obviously the day after your promotion, if you're asking somebody,
Speaker 5: would you ever not take like that is a big test.
Speaker 5: He's like, basactly, are you testing me? Like am I?
Speaker 2: I mean?
Speaker 5: I know I'm supposed to think for myself, but also,
Speaker 5: like you know, obviously I'm I'm on board with the
Speaker 5: military because I just got promotion. Yeah, you know, and
Speaker 5: it's it's a it's a fun interesting and then he
Speaker 5: just doesn't like understand anything about social well also Ivanova
Speaker 5: is it doesn't.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's they're both oblivious to what's happening.
Speaker 5: Like she's hilarious her like, no, maybe we should go
Speaker 5: somewhere a little more private, come to my quarters. Exactly,
Speaker 5: it's just great. It's great.
Speaker 2: No, No, I oh, I meant I could have talked
Speaker 2: about this actually while all of you were here, because
Speaker 2: it's not a spoiler thing. It's just a I one
Speaker 2: of the things I notice a lot watching shows, and
Speaker 2: it doesn't happen so much in newer shows, I guess
Speaker 2: because so many people have commented on it that new
Speaker 2: writers fix it. But the way scenes end often feel
Speaker 2: really awkward to me. And that scene as like you
Speaker 2: commented on while the episode was happening, she should have
Speaker 2: kept talking after she confirmed that he was not, like,
Speaker 2: but just to end the scene is weird, like he
Speaker 2: literally handed her back the coffee like.
Speaker 5: It was she just handed on the coffee, is like,
Speaker 5: I guess I'll go here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And there's been a couple of scenes like that
Speaker 2: in this show, like where people like they finish their
Speaker 2: conversation and then like the important part, the only part
Speaker 2: that we need to see, and then one of them
Speaker 2: will just like walk away, and you know you need
Speaker 2: to there needs to. That's not how people interact. We
Speaker 2: don't like I've said all the important stuff and then
Speaker 2: I walk away.
Speaker 5: But it's also funny here because it just makes Ivanova
Speaker 5: a really bad spy, Like yes she's because she's like, Okay,
Speaker 5: I got the information I needed, I'm done, and you're
Speaker 5: not useful. So by e and I'm like, you can't,
Speaker 5: you can't, that's not you can't, not just like not
Speaker 5: how people work, but like that's just bad spy behavior.
Speaker 5: You're you suck at this. Yes, the Rangers going to
Speaker 5: have words with you.
Speaker 2: Yes. I wonder like if there's a was a point
Speaker 2: in writing where people were like, oh, no, that's not
Speaker 2: how humans behave, although they still I still see it
Speaker 2: so much on television shows where people just hang up
Speaker 2: phones and they don't say goodbye, and I was like,
Speaker 2: that's stopping, right, say goodbye, say goodbye in English, they
Speaker 2: don't do it in Korean, and Korean they just hang up.
Speaker 2: It's yeah Korean. That is Phone culture is very interesting.
Speaker 2: They have a different word for hello on the phone,
Speaker 2: Like they have a word that means hello on y
Speaker 2: s or young, but when you answer a phone you
Speaker 2: say yoba sal, which is a completely different word wow
Speaker 2: and yeah. And then often though, if you're answering the
Speaker 2: phone from somebody that you know or like, and it
Speaker 2: shocks me every single time, even after ten years, you
Speaker 2: just say way, which is why, like space, thay, why
Speaker 2: are you calling?
Speaker 5: Oh that's perfect, so amazing.
Speaker 1: I like that.
Speaker 5: I'm gonna start doing that I'm just going to start
Speaker 5: doing that in English and fuck with people.
Speaker 2: Why yeah, why did you call in this year of
Speaker 2: twenty twenty six when you should be texting? It's great anyway,
Speaker 2: that's a whole thing. H Cormyn. I like him as
Speaker 2: a character. I think he's yeah, like, yeah, he's one
Speaker 2: of the things.
Speaker 5: He's delightfully awkward and charming, and it really like the
Speaker 5: way he should.
Speaker 2: Be realistic way, yeah, very realistic way.
Speaker 5: It's great.
Speaker 2: Other things I liked from this episode that I think
Speaker 2: are things that carry forward are like we get Marcus
Speaker 2: Steve Buddy pop yeah, yeah, yeah, and they're I think
Speaker 2: they work really well together. I think they have good
Speaker 2: chemistry and yeah, it works.
Speaker 5: But I did feel like I felt like your Baldi
Speaker 5: was badly written in this episode, you know, and then
Speaker 5: he was like he was like I'm not going to
Speaker 5: check a thing out about like down below. He's always
Speaker 5: like I know everything that's happening down there, and that
Speaker 5: just I mean, it was obviously a device so that
Speaker 5: we could make it Steven who goes with him, and yeah,
Speaker 5: it felt it bothered me. And also like we just
Speaker 5: even Sheridan in this one I thought was written strangely
Speaker 5: when he was just sort of like can you go
Speaker 5: find out? Is he can you? And I was like,
Speaker 5: he's literally been sitting on the bridge. Every time you
Speaker 5: guys have an important conversation, he's four feet away from you,
Speaker 5: and you're like, let's not talk about the fact that
Speaker 5: the shadows and the things that we don't know yet.
Speaker 5: And then and then now that he's promoted, what does
Speaker 5: that even give him? I was just like it all
Speaker 5: felt like a lot of things that were just being
Speaker 5: placed there for the device of it, and I was
Speaker 5: not buying any of it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I could see it. I could see it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, which again is like part of the idea, Like
Speaker 5: like I think that just like goes the dovetails with
Speaker 5: what Gods was saying about about it needed a different
Speaker 5: draft it did. He doesn't have time. He does not
Speaker 5: have time to either read the script before they start
Speaker 5: shooting it, and then like in retrospect, after you put
Speaker 5: it all together, you're like, yeah, that wasn't set up
Speaker 5: as well as it needed to be. Yeah, but you know,
Speaker 5: that's that's part of working on a limited time, limited
Speaker 5: budget and the way that the way in which they
Speaker 5: were cranking these out.
Speaker 2: Exactly doing it all well everything. The only other note
Speaker 2: I have is a weird aside that Ali said while
Speaker 2: like we were recording here was I was like they
Speaker 2: were talking about the Aliens and how it's always a Drawsie,
Speaker 2: and I mentioned they mentioned the bricurri and then we
Speaker 2: saw the the Paquara the corpse eating aliens, and Ali said, yeah,
Speaker 2: but the corpse s eating is unfortunate, so we kind
Speaker 2: of forget about them. That's actually a plot point later
Speaker 2: on when the uh, the Paquara want to join the Rangers,
Speaker 2: and like, I think this is season five, so it's
Speaker 2: very far on, but they don't know what to do
Speaker 2: with the pac Mora because they like, they're not very
Speaker 2: good at certain things, and eventually they realize, yeah, no,
Speaker 2: nobody likes to think about the pac Mara because they
Speaker 2: eat corpses. There were a perfect spies and current heres like.
Speaker 2: That's because everybody like on purpose ignores them because right,
Speaker 2: so right, like that's a function that they have that
Speaker 2: makes them powerful.
Speaker 5: That's great.
Speaker 2: So I just thought it was interesting that she calls
Speaker 2: that out here, and that's the thing that becomes an
Speaker 2: issue in much later. But yeah, as as you said,
Speaker 2: this is not really an ARC episode. I do think
Speaker 2: it was a Marcus Seating episode.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well we had that. We had that weird thing
Speaker 5: where he was out for so many because they had
Speaker 5: to switch the order of a few and so we
Speaker 5: had this really big gap of like this introduction, this
Speaker 5: intense introduction to him in the first episode of season three,
Speaker 5: and then and then nothing for a long time and
Speaker 5: then like just a little bit of pepper. It wasn't
Speaker 5: like we didn't really get so yeah, this is like, Okay,
Speaker 5: I need you all to pay attention because he is
Speaker 5: going to be important and he's going to be doing
Speaker 5: a lot, and we need to remind people that this
Speaker 5: whole he's got this network, this Ranger network, that's happening
Speaker 5: and yeah, yeah, and then this is who he really is.
Speaker 5: And it was very much just like this is a
Speaker 5: character who cares about people, who can be in the
Speaker 5: face of danger and still talking about the girl he likes,
Speaker 5: you know, and trying to get intel on her and
Speaker 5: like it's you know, and making jokes and also sacrifice
Speaker 5: himself like a couple times, like he when they took
Speaker 5: Stephen out and he was like yes, he was like no, no, no,
Speaker 5: take me, not even knowing what they were doing. He
Speaker 5: was just like, I, you know, like his nobility comes
Speaker 5: through in this a lot. So it just was it's
Speaker 5: just a place. This is just the like we spent
Speaker 5: through two seasons already getting to know the other characters.
Speaker 5: This is our like it's to know Marcus exactly. And
Speaker 5: in that sense, it's like, I don't care that the
Speaker 5: rest of it doesn't make a sh ton of sense,
Speaker 5: Like it doesn't really matter because that's what the important
Speaker 5: part is here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like the this is not I don't I agree
Speaker 2: with JMS and with Gus that this is not like
Speaker 2: my one of my favorite episodes. However, it has character
Speaker 2: moments that I just really enjoy. Like I really like
Speaker 2: that Corwin subplot. I just think it's funny.
Speaker 5: Oh it's hilarious. It's hilarious.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and everything with Marcus, like, I just enjoy him.
Speaker 2: I think he's a fun character to follow, and obviously
Speaker 2: for you know, the people who enjoy looking at gentlemen,
Speaker 2: he is a pleasant he's pleasant on the eyes, right,
Speaker 2: So he's a good character.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, and you can tell.
Speaker 2: And as Jamas says here in the Lookers Grid, as
Speaker 2: we read, Jamas just likes writing him, his voices, his
Speaker 2: lines flow, even though he talks a lot. Yes, he
Speaker 2: definitely uses a lot of words, but I don't think
Speaker 2: there's anything else to say about this one. So well. Yeah,
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