WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.440 --> 00:00:03.720 Spine worms. 2 00:00:03.720 --> 00:00:05.320 Spine worms indeed. 3 00:00:05.000 --> 00:00:07.519 Don't don't make that a don't make that a portmanteau, 4 00:00:08.800 --> 00:00:09.519 don't shorten it. 5 00:00:12.599 --> 00:00:18.120 I started doing don't get it. 6 00:00:18.120 --> 00:00:19.519 It took me a minute, but I got there. 7 00:00:21.079 --> 00:00:24.600 The Babylon podcast was our last best hope for a 8 00:00:24.640 --> 00:00:33.840 concise discussion. It failed, but in the Year of the 9 00:00:33.880 --> 00:00:40.280 Great Tangents, it became something better, our last best hope 10 00:00:40.280 --> 00:00:40.960 for relevance. 11 00:00:43.039 --> 00:00:44.960 The year is twenty twenty six. 12 00:00:45.719 --> 00:00:50.000 The place wherever you get your podcasts. 13 00:00:51.719 --> 00:00:54.119 Hi, everybody, it's us. 14 00:00:55.560 --> 00:01:00.240 It is welcome to babble on in the podcast that 15 00:01:00.320 --> 00:01:02.759 is breaking down and reacted to episodes of Babylon five. 16 00:01:02.840 --> 00:01:06.680 We just watched season three, episode seven Exogenesis. My name 17 00:01:06.719 --> 00:01:08.400 is Jenny, a big fan of the show. 18 00:01:08.719 --> 00:01:08.879 Good. 19 00:01:09.239 --> 00:01:15.760 My name is Jen. I'm creeped out spine worms, but 20 00:01:16.079 --> 00:01:20.799 yes by the spine worms two separate words. And I 21 00:01:20.840 --> 00:01:24.359 am I'm a writer and I love the show. I 22 00:01:24.400 --> 00:01:25.439 watched it back in the day. 23 00:01:25.840 --> 00:01:28.680 I'm gus, I'm an actor. I'm very badly jet lagged 24 00:01:28.760 --> 00:01:30.719 right now, and first time watcher. 25 00:01:30.959 --> 00:01:33.719 I'm Ali. I'm an actress and a writer and a showrunner. 26 00:01:34.680 --> 00:01:36.959 And this is my first time watching Babbylon five. And 27 00:01:37.079 --> 00:01:45.959 the sperms of course, of course, and oh I forget oh, 28 00:01:46.000 --> 00:01:49.439 and Jen, your skin looks really dowy today. I just 29 00:01:49.439 --> 00:01:51.400 wanted to let you know. I just was looking at 30 00:01:51.439 --> 00:01:53.799 it and I was like, wow, so it's mine. 31 00:01:53.840 --> 00:01:55.359 But I'm also a cartoon, so. 32 00:01:55.319 --> 00:02:00.560 You're not here for you. 33 00:02:01.079 --> 00:02:06.760 Look. I thought, thank you, Finelli, fine Alli, and GUSSI 34 00:02:06.959 --> 00:02:08.639 was look beautiful as well. And you really don't look 35 00:02:08.719 --> 00:02:10.000 jet liked, even though you say you are. 36 00:02:10.319 --> 00:02:12.120 I'm trying. I'm really trying. 37 00:02:12.479 --> 00:02:15.560 I couldn't be more tired. 38 00:02:16.479 --> 00:02:19.400 Every like one pm to three pm is a struggle, 39 00:02:19.439 --> 00:02:21.759 but now it's eight forty five pm, so it's a 40 00:02:21.759 --> 00:02:22.639 different kind of struggle. 41 00:02:22.960 --> 00:02:23.719 Yeah, a different kind. 42 00:02:24.159 --> 00:02:27.199 Yeah, uh well, I think you noted it while we 43 00:02:27.199 --> 00:02:32.800 were watching. But this one is another JMS joint. The 44 00:02:33.159 --> 00:02:37.199 It was directed by Kevin Kremen, who thus far has directed. 45 00:02:37.479 --> 00:02:41.439 This is fourth episode that he's directed. He directed Spiders 46 00:02:41.479 --> 00:02:44.599 in the Web, Confessions and Lamentations, Matters of Honor and. 47 00:02:45.120 --> 00:02:46.280 This one so nice. 48 00:02:47.199 --> 00:02:49.479 Kevin Kremen well. 49 00:02:50.800 --> 00:02:55.599 Direct, good ship, Kevin well done in the directorial arena 50 00:02:56.400 --> 00:02:57.919 M and Yeah. 51 00:02:57.759 --> 00:03:01.639 Copeland h John Copeland. It says here he's the producer. 52 00:03:03.159 --> 00:03:08.240 Christopher Franky is the is the the composer Christopher Franky. 53 00:03:08.919 --> 00:03:11.240 So yes, if you if you left a comment correcting 54 00:03:11.280 --> 00:03:12.960 me in the reaction. 55 00:03:12.800 --> 00:03:21.080 You dollars pledge, Yes, that's how you did it. Yes, pledge, 56 00:03:23.199 --> 00:03:23.520 it was. 57 00:03:24.000 --> 00:03:25.919 I was pretty sure. I mean I was pretty sure 58 00:03:25.919 --> 00:03:27.639 it was. I thought, actually I thought it was a producer, 59 00:03:27.639 --> 00:03:29.120 but I wasn't sure. But I was just like, it 60 00:03:29.240 --> 00:03:31.560 was just so clear to me as a writer. I 61 00:03:31.639 --> 00:03:33.800 do ship like that where I'm like, I put something 62 00:03:33.800 --> 00:03:36.439 in there that only I'll understand means something. And the 63 00:03:36.479 --> 00:03:40.319 way that Marcus said it, like the Copeland j five thousand, 64 00:03:40.479 --> 00:03:45.759 I was like, who is Who's that that's gonna be? 65 00:03:47.120 --> 00:03:52.400 Yeah? Speaking of Marcus speaking, I know, did you get 66 00:03:52.400 --> 00:03:54.159 to read the Lookers Guide for this one? 67 00:03:54.719 --> 00:03:56.319 Yes? Yeah, I read most of it. 68 00:03:57.039 --> 00:03:57.840 Yeah, And I was like. 69 00:03:59.639 --> 00:04:05.319 He didn't Yes, but him. You both noted it that 70 00:04:05.400 --> 00:04:07.759 he did not say the name of the Scottish play. 71 00:04:08.800 --> 00:04:11.879 James specifically did not write it in the script because 72 00:04:11.919 --> 00:04:14.800 he said some actors have problems saying it, so I 73 00:04:14.840 --> 00:04:17.160 made a point not to write it in there. Although 74 00:04:17.160 --> 00:04:20.160 he said that the actor playing Marcus whose name I forget, 75 00:04:21.240 --> 00:04:24.439 Jason Jason Jason, Yeah. 76 00:04:24.920 --> 00:04:27.480 Two kinds of actors who won't say it an actors 77 00:04:27.480 --> 00:04:32.600 who are like aggressive about and you're like, relax, yeah, 78 00:04:32.879 --> 00:04:35.360 well so there is a personal choice, and they're like, 79 00:04:35.560 --> 00:04:37.439 I say it right now. 80 00:04:37.639 --> 00:04:39.199 It's the same people who don't like to whistle on 81 00:04:39.240 --> 00:04:40.399 stage right. 82 00:04:40.399 --> 00:04:43.720 Well, that has a whole reason too, and that's yeah, 83 00:04:43.800 --> 00:04:47.079 that's because the people used to used to be sailors 84 00:04:47.120 --> 00:04:49.160 and like, yeah, if you whistled, that was how they 85 00:04:49.199 --> 00:04:52.519 would like call together. So you might get a sandbag 86 00:04:52.560 --> 00:04:53.279 dropped on your head. 87 00:04:53.959 --> 00:04:58.319 That's like I would appreciate not having a sandbag dropped 88 00:04:58.319 --> 00:04:58.800 on my head. 89 00:04:59.560 --> 00:05:02.600 Whistle the theater, though they don't really do that anymore, no, 90 00:05:02.680 --> 00:05:03.199 but as. 91 00:05:03.120 --> 00:05:05.040 Somebody who's worked in a you know, of course, in 92 00:05:05.079 --> 00:05:06.720 a haunted theater most of them mar but as somebody 93 00:05:06.759 --> 00:05:08.720 who works in a haunted theater and watched the flies 94 00:05:08.759 --> 00:05:11.040 that she put up carefully with lines like on the 95 00:05:11.160 --> 00:05:13.360 last day of the last show of a play that 96 00:05:13.399 --> 00:05:17.079 we knew our ghost hated, everything went and almost fell 97 00:05:17.120 --> 00:05:18.040 down on people's heads. 98 00:05:18.240 --> 00:05:20.160 I couldn't call. I was like, that'll happen. 99 00:05:20.399 --> 00:05:21.240 I don't need to whistle. 100 00:05:22.120 --> 00:05:24.839 There's a theater that we go to that is haunted 101 00:05:24.839 --> 00:05:28.800 as fluck. I was nice, okay, but okay, one time 102 00:05:28.879 --> 00:05:31.199 she's one time she's nice. It's definitely an old lady 103 00:05:31.439 --> 00:05:34.519 and she's really nice, like everybody, everybody who was sensitive 104 00:05:34.560 --> 00:05:36.120 to that ship all sudden stay. 105 00:05:36.000 --> 00:05:38.600 Pissed off at first, but once you get started. 106 00:05:38.360 --> 00:05:41.120 Yeah, she calms down once she knows that you're there 107 00:05:41.160 --> 00:05:44.000 to perform, like she doesn't, but she doesn't like you 108 00:05:44.079 --> 00:05:45.639 until then. So I walked in one time, though, and 109 00:05:45.639 --> 00:05:47.439 she was extra pissed, and I had a burrito in 110 00:05:47.439 --> 00:05:48.680 my hand. I thought maybe it was because I was 111 00:05:48.720 --> 00:05:51.399 eating in the theater, and I was really scared because 112 00:05:51.439 --> 00:05:54.079 like the lights started flashing and I was like, ah, 113 00:05:54.120 --> 00:05:56.519 I'm the only one here, like absolutely not, I'm going 114 00:05:56.560 --> 00:06:00.639 to see myself like like I don't. I don't ever 115 00:06:00.680 --> 00:06:02.240 want to see a ghost, you know what I mean? 116 00:06:02.519 --> 00:06:03.439 Like, I don't, I don't. 117 00:06:03.519 --> 00:06:05.279 I'm not curious. I don't want to see you, like 118 00:06:06.040 --> 00:06:08.040 since your ViBe's fine, but like I don't want to 119 00:06:08.079 --> 00:06:11.399 see you so like. But it turned out that the 120 00:06:11.439 --> 00:06:14.160 reason she was so pissed like it was because it 121 00:06:14.160 --> 00:06:16.519 had rained really badly and like the roof had caved 122 00:06:16.560 --> 00:06:18.879 in in one part of the theater and like, so 123 00:06:19.079 --> 00:06:22.839 I and my friend discovered that because I went outside 124 00:06:22.920 --> 00:06:24.759 and waited until someone else came because I was like, 125 00:06:24.839 --> 00:06:27.600 her vibe is bad today. It is bad today, and 126 00:06:27.680 --> 00:06:29.720 I'm not going in there by myself. And then she 127 00:06:29.759 --> 00:06:31.199 walked in there with me and we saw the roof 128 00:06:31.240 --> 00:06:32.879 cave and I was like, okay, with this makes sense 129 00:06:32.879 --> 00:06:36.240 because her vibe was horrible. She was like, is someone 130 00:06:36.240 --> 00:06:38.079 going to fix this? Is someone going to fix this? 131 00:06:38.879 --> 00:06:41.639 And so yeah, the ones we like called the people 132 00:06:41.759 --> 00:06:44.079 and were like, it's going to be fixed. She calmed down, 133 00:06:44.439 --> 00:06:47.279 but I was like, that was intense. I was like, oh, 134 00:06:48.240 --> 00:06:55.399 the vibe is bad. For those of you who don't know, 135 00:06:55.600 --> 00:06:58.560 it's the play Macbeth. But we're not in the theater 136 00:06:58.680 --> 00:06:59.079 right now. 137 00:06:59.800 --> 00:07:02.360 Is we're literally recording something. 138 00:07:03.560 --> 00:07:03.959 It's not. 139 00:07:06.120 --> 00:07:07.680 Three times it's a theater. 140 00:07:08.240 --> 00:07:11.600 No, no, no, it's just theaters, guys, there's rules. Let's 141 00:07:11.639 --> 00:07:12.000 just theater. 142 00:07:12.160 --> 00:07:14.839 We rehearse in here. It's fine, it's fine, it's fine. 143 00:07:15.160 --> 00:07:18.600 I'll go cleanse it later. I'll go cleanse it later, okay, Sae. 144 00:07:18.439 --> 00:07:19.839 Fine, okay. 145 00:07:19.839 --> 00:07:21.800 Because I was saying what I was going to say 146 00:07:21.879 --> 00:07:24.040 is in a different episode and I won't tell you 147 00:07:24.079 --> 00:07:28.240 which one. But somebody accidentally said it during the recording 148 00:07:28.240 --> 00:07:31.040 of the episode and the actor was like, we have 149 00:07:31.120 --> 00:07:34.040 to stop everything, and had to walk three times around 150 00:07:34.040 --> 00:07:34.879 the perimeter. 151 00:07:34.680 --> 00:07:40.560 Of I'll go no no, no, no, no no no 152 00:07:40.560 --> 00:07:42.199 no no, no, no, no no. 153 00:07:44.000 --> 00:07:47.519 So okay. So the whole the whole thing for those 154 00:07:47.560 --> 00:07:50.519 of you who are not theater people or whatever or 155 00:07:50.560 --> 00:07:53.720 actors or whatever, is the the name of that play 156 00:07:53.759 --> 00:07:55.920 is very bad luck in the theater. Unless you are 157 00:07:55.959 --> 00:07:58.360 actively doing that play, you're not supposed to say that 158 00:07:58.680 --> 00:08:00.680 the name of that play in the theater. It's like 159 00:08:00.720 --> 00:08:05.040 a whole tradition thing, like, unless you were actively doing 160 00:08:05.079 --> 00:08:07.360 that play, you were supposed to call it Mackers or 161 00:08:07.360 --> 00:08:10.920 the Scottish play, and that's what you're supposed to do. 162 00:08:11.120 --> 00:08:14.319 So I went to see a friend's play. Yeah, I 163 00:08:14.360 --> 00:08:17.079 went to see a friends play last week. She did 164 00:08:17.199 --> 00:08:20.160 a fantastic place. My friend Susan, she's amazing. It's called 165 00:08:20.199 --> 00:08:23.319 The Women of Lockerby. It's a it's a play that 166 00:08:23.360 --> 00:08:25.600 takes place in Scotland. And I kept telling people. I 167 00:08:25.639 --> 00:08:27.000 was like, yeah, my friends is in she's in the 168 00:08:27.079 --> 00:08:32.159 Scottish play. No, not the Scottish play. Scottish Scottish play. 169 00:08:32.120 --> 00:08:36.399 But a Scottish but not the Scottish play. 170 00:08:36.559 --> 00:08:37.600 I like that. 171 00:08:38.440 --> 00:08:39.480 Yeah, it was really sweet. 172 00:08:39.679 --> 00:08:43.399 I just I loved that his character trait is is British, 173 00:08:43.799 --> 00:08:45.360 is going to quote British ship. 174 00:08:45.440 --> 00:08:49.559 All the time and really really slamby on top about it. 175 00:08:49.919 --> 00:08:51.679 He's becoming a very interesting character. 176 00:08:52.000 --> 00:08:53.919 Jam Miss talks about that a little bit. I'd love 177 00:08:53.960 --> 00:08:58.600 to share. He says, I like Marcus quoting literature, Shakespeare included. 178 00:08:58.679 --> 00:09:01.279 So it's something I've peppered through is character. And though 179 00:09:01.320 --> 00:09:03.879 I am trying to avoid too much of it, We'll see. 180 00:09:04.440 --> 00:09:08.360 We'll see a lot this episode, I think, and one 181 00:09:08.399 --> 00:09:09.039 is a little much. 182 00:09:09.039 --> 00:09:10.000 I know a lot. 183 00:09:10.320 --> 00:09:12.559 It's a lot. And he says that, he says, you 184 00:09:12.600 --> 00:09:15.120 know he's talking about writing him, and he says, I 185 00:09:15.120 --> 00:09:16.919 don't know exactly what he's saying too. He says, I 186 00:09:16.919 --> 00:09:18.279 agree with you and Marcus, I don't know what the 187 00:09:18.279 --> 00:09:20.600 comment was. I'm finding I have the same problem with 188 00:09:20.720 --> 00:09:22.879 him that I have with Londo, getting him to shut 189 00:09:22.960 --> 00:09:24.879 up once I wire him up and let him go. 190 00:09:25.080 --> 00:09:26.600 He's a lot of fun to write, and that he 191 00:09:26.600 --> 00:09:28.960 can do the physical action stuff very well. He can 192 00:09:29.000 --> 00:09:32.120 do comedy more dramatic, emotional stuff, the whole range. I 193 00:09:32.159 --> 00:09:34.000 can take him places and do things with him that 194 00:09:34.039 --> 00:09:36.399 I can't in some ways for other characters, and that 195 00:09:36.480 --> 00:09:39.399 he only has one responsibility, whereas the others have larger 196 00:09:39.440 --> 00:09:42.279 responsibilities to more people. It's really you know, it's fun. 197 00:09:42.320 --> 00:09:44.159 And she's like, I can't, I can't stop. 198 00:09:44.279 --> 00:09:47.600 I can't stop some characters that are really fun to 199 00:09:47.639 --> 00:09:50.200 write sometimes and you're like, I can't. I have a 200 00:09:50.200 --> 00:09:52.840 hard time putting you down so that other people can talk. 201 00:09:53.320 --> 00:09:57.799 Yes, yes, So I gotta I gotta say this. This 202 00:09:57.960 --> 00:10:00.600 was absolutely one of the episodes of all time. 203 00:10:01.120 --> 00:10:03.600 Okay, I was curious to know your thoughts. 204 00:10:03.679 --> 00:10:06.799 It was because much meaner than me. 205 00:10:08.080 --> 00:10:08.720 I like you. 206 00:10:09.159 --> 00:10:12.360 All the episodes of Babylon five I've watched, this was 207 00:10:12.399 --> 00:10:12.960 one of them. 208 00:10:13.720 --> 00:10:16.240 I am going to tell you you are like right 209 00:10:16.279 --> 00:10:22.279 on the brain wave of JMS gus this happens. I know. 210 00:10:23.080 --> 00:10:24.440 I didn't dislike him. 211 00:10:24.519 --> 00:10:27.039 I'm going to quote him from the Lurkers Guide. My 212 00:10:27.120 --> 00:10:31.879 personal evaluation of the episode is that it's okay, all right. 213 00:10:33.320 --> 00:10:35.440 The second half I think isn't as strong as the 214 00:10:35.440 --> 00:10:39.639 first half, and he explains what happened halfway through writing 215 00:10:39.639 --> 00:10:42.440 the episode. We had a problem come up in production 216 00:10:42.919 --> 00:10:45.399 that unexpectedly took me away from the script for about 217 00:10:45.440 --> 00:10:48.000 a week. Nothing major, but it had to be dealt with. Yeah. 218 00:10:48.279 --> 00:10:51.120 Usually I write copious notes on a script before I 219 00:10:51.120 --> 00:10:53.639 begin writing it. In this case, the story was so 220 00:10:53.720 --> 00:10:56.159 crystalline in my head that I just dived in and 221 00:10:56.279 --> 00:10:59.919 was blasting away terrific when the hit came midway through. 222 00:11:00.000 --> 00:11:02.159 At the time I got back, i'd lost some of 223 00:11:02.159 --> 00:11:04.159 the fingerprints in the story and had to sort of 224 00:11:04.159 --> 00:11:07.679 refined them again. Mainly, I think the expository secrets at 225 00:11:07.679 --> 00:11:08.759 the end could have been done better. 226 00:11:09.039 --> 00:11:13.080 It's so much talking. It was a lot of talking. 227 00:11:13.240 --> 00:11:16.480 It's not again, I'm not look, look, it was fine. 228 00:11:16.720 --> 00:11:18.799 It was fine. Yeah, it's fine. I would put it 229 00:11:18.879 --> 00:11:23.679 squarely above you know, t Ko possibly so Hunter. Yeah, 230 00:11:23.720 --> 00:11:27.159 definitely above Grail. What was the other one earlier this season? 231 00:11:27.159 --> 00:11:28.960 The weeking hating on Grail again? 232 00:11:30.759 --> 00:11:32.639 Grail's fine. This was a lot like Grail. 233 00:11:34.639 --> 00:11:37.080 I just feel like, okay when you say because for me, 234 00:11:37.279 --> 00:11:39.879 saying like this was one of the episodes of all time. 235 00:11:40.120 --> 00:11:43.120 It's like the ultimate diss where it's like I hated it. 236 00:11:43.200 --> 00:11:48.759 No, I would say that episode sucked, I would say, 237 00:11:49.039 --> 00:11:51.399 but I would spend like an hour of the discussion 238 00:11:51.519 --> 00:11:55.200 yelling about t k O. Right right, You know how 239 00:11:55.240 --> 00:11:56.200 I talked about TKO. 240 00:11:57.799 --> 00:12:00.240 He went on for a long time about he could 241 00:12:00.279 --> 00:12:02.559 have been, this, could have been, could have been. It 242 00:12:02.600 --> 00:12:03.679 was just a lot of what it could. 243 00:12:04.480 --> 00:12:06.679 I believe it. I've seen this man rant about stuff 244 00:12:06.679 --> 00:12:07.559 before I move ran. 245 00:12:08.279 --> 00:12:10.759 Here's what I'm comfortable sharing. You've seen me rant about 246 00:12:10.759 --> 00:12:14.639 the greatest show Stop. It's fine, It's fine. I think 247 00:12:14.639 --> 00:12:17.279 it's a beautifully made film. I think it's an incredible, 248 00:12:18.080 --> 00:12:19.159 magnificent production. 249 00:12:19.440 --> 00:12:21.559 I think the quote, I think the quote was it's 250 00:12:21.600 --> 00:12:23.759 a great musical. 251 00:12:23.639 --> 00:12:26.840 Seven great music videos in a trench code pretending to 252 00:12:26.879 --> 00:12:30.240 be a movie. That's the way he said, great music videos. 253 00:12:30.600 --> 00:12:34.360 The performances are phenomenal and the music is so catchy. 254 00:12:34.399 --> 00:12:36.879 He also goes on a rant about P. T. Barnum 255 00:12:36.960 --> 00:12:39.039 for a long time and how he's a very bad 256 00:12:39.120 --> 00:12:41.639 man and how we shouldn't be making a movie saying 257 00:12:41.679 --> 00:12:44.000 that he was a good man. Yeah, because he was 258 00:12:44.000 --> 00:12:44.559 a bad man. 259 00:12:44.799 --> 00:12:48.080 And that's true. He was a bad bad man, and 260 00:12:48.279 --> 00:12:51.480 like to pretend that he was like uplifting these people 261 00:12:51.559 --> 00:12:54.480 is crazy, but like, but at the same time, what 262 00:12:54.639 --> 00:12:55.240 a song? 263 00:12:55.559 --> 00:12:57.000 What are great? 264 00:12:57.159 --> 00:13:00.840 I am breath, I am like, wow, it's so good. 265 00:13:01.039 --> 00:13:02.039 Songs are fantastic. 266 00:13:02.240 --> 00:13:06.279 Dear Evan Hanson is also an unhinged musical Like with this. 267 00:13:06.279 --> 00:13:08.279 I said, just one of the episodes of all time. 268 00:13:08.519 --> 00:13:10.879 It's not one of the worst episodes. It's not one 269 00:13:10.879 --> 00:13:13.200 of the best episodes. It's one of the episodes. 270 00:13:13.960 --> 00:13:16.159 But see when you say that to me, that's like 271 00:13:16.519 --> 00:13:18.679 I would say that about when I hated Do you 272 00:13:18.720 --> 00:13:19.240 know what I mean? 273 00:13:19.320 --> 00:13:19.399 Like? 274 00:13:19.600 --> 00:13:23.039 And to me, this was like a solid mid tier episode. 275 00:13:23.320 --> 00:13:25.120 You should go watch me talk about Well. 276 00:13:25.120 --> 00:13:30.919 No, see I've heard yeah, no, I have heard you 277 00:13:31.000 --> 00:13:33.480 rant before about things you don't like. Believe me, I 278 00:13:33.559 --> 00:13:36.120 have heard it all. I know what you sound like 279 00:13:36.159 --> 00:13:39.240 when you don't like something. I'm not surprised by this. 280 00:13:39.240 --> 00:13:41.080 This is one of the things I like best about 281 00:13:41.159 --> 00:13:45.759 you is when you hate something. Yeah, because you know what, 282 00:13:45.840 --> 00:13:48.919 here's the thing. Being married, it's fun to love something together. 283 00:13:49.039 --> 00:13:52.679 It's really fun to hate something together. That's also one 284 00:13:52.759 --> 00:13:56.480 of the things that just keeps the world moving. Like 285 00:13:56.519 --> 00:13:58.840 when when when when we're at a party and someone 286 00:13:58.879 --> 00:14:00.639 says something that I know going to talk about in 287 00:14:00.639 --> 00:14:07.320 the car like gone to ah, Like when something happens 288 00:14:07.639 --> 00:14:11.159 and you know you're going to debrief about this, that's 289 00:14:11.159 --> 00:14:13.279 that's one of the reasons to be alive. 290 00:14:13.799 --> 00:14:16.039 I'm not even going to tell you, like what what 291 00:14:16.159 --> 00:14:18.519 the signal and like what David may say, because then 292 00:14:18.559 --> 00:14:21.320 that's because I'm on a podcast right now and everyone 293 00:14:21.360 --> 00:14:23.200 that knows this will be like, oh, I know what 294 00:14:23.240 --> 00:14:23.759 that means. 295 00:14:24.440 --> 00:14:29.000 Yeah, whens my hold hands at something. Sometimes it's affection, 296 00:14:29.159 --> 00:14:31.679 and sometimes it's because we're squeezing each other's hands. 297 00:14:31.440 --> 00:14:34.960 So hard desperate, like to say you're. 298 00:14:35.120 --> 00:14:37.320 Like one time, Gus was sitting in the road in 299 00:14:37.360 --> 00:14:39.720 front of me because we didn't get seats together, and 300 00:14:39.759 --> 00:14:43.120 somebody did something in a play that he hates, and 301 00:14:43.159 --> 00:14:45.279 he turned his whole body around to look at me, 302 00:14:45.360 --> 00:14:47.960 and I was like, turn back around. We're at the theater. 303 00:14:49.120 --> 00:14:50.240 They can see you. 304 00:14:50.480 --> 00:14:52.159 It's a black box, was it? 305 00:14:52.240 --> 00:14:55.120 And he turns away from that person. 306 00:14:55.279 --> 00:14:58.720 Yeah, there was a period of time in which there 307 00:14:58.720 --> 00:15:02.039 were there was there was a fortunate tendency on behalf 308 00:15:02.080 --> 00:15:04.639 of theater in a particular place that we lived to 309 00:15:06.240 --> 00:15:08.559 have a monologue toward the end of the show where 310 00:15:08.559 --> 00:15:12.399 somebody says don't you see we are and then say 311 00:15:12.559 --> 00:15:17.559 the title of the show, right and listen, new work. 312 00:15:17.759 --> 00:15:19.399 It's fine, yeah, we wrote. 313 00:15:20.919 --> 00:15:23.960 I get to do stuff in like it's like there's 314 00:15:23.960 --> 00:15:27.039 like trends that people will do, and you're like everyone's 315 00:15:27.080 --> 00:15:28.480 doing the shows. 316 00:15:28.039 --> 00:15:30.279 In a row where you do the whole show and 317 00:15:30.320 --> 00:15:33.279 then there's a big, big, long argument monologue thing and 318 00:15:33.320 --> 00:15:36.200 the main character is yelling at their uncle about something 319 00:15:36.240 --> 00:15:38.639 and they go, don't you see the so and so 320 00:15:38.960 --> 00:15:41.039 was us all along? And I just wanted to get 321 00:15:41.120 --> 00:15:42.480 up and be like shot so fuck. 322 00:15:42.919 --> 00:15:45.240 So this happened. This is like our tenth, our tenth 323 00:15:45.600 --> 00:15:47.200 like show that we had seen that this happened in, 324 00:15:47.240 --> 00:15:49.759 and Gus turned his entire body around to look at me, 325 00:15:49.840 --> 00:15:52.720 and I was like, turn back around. 326 00:15:53.440 --> 00:15:56.320 Everyone can see. After we cut that, I will tell 327 00:15:56.360 --> 00:15:59.919 you the specific dialogue because it was agregious that. 328 00:16:01.799 --> 00:16:05.120 Listen, we're not haters though, like no, no, no, no no, 329 00:16:05.120 --> 00:16:09.200 Like I've read that of course everybody had, but it 330 00:16:09.320 --> 00:16:12.519 was like it was this whole thing where it's like 331 00:16:12.639 --> 00:16:14.559 where it's it was just a particular pet beave of 332 00:16:14.559 --> 00:16:17.320 Guses at that point in time. But like, because it 333 00:16:17.399 --> 00:16:20.399 happened so much that was. It was just oversaturated for 334 00:16:20.480 --> 00:16:24.960 us at that point, so like, yeah, yeah, so I 335 00:16:25.000 --> 00:16:29.720 was like, turn turn back around, but oh fuck I 336 00:16:30.399 --> 00:16:32.240 but I see, if I were to say that something 337 00:16:32.320 --> 00:16:33.919 was one of the episodes of all time, I would 338 00:16:34.039 --> 00:16:35.480 say that about something I really hated. 339 00:16:35.639 --> 00:16:38.679 It was okay, I don' think it was terrible. It 340 00:16:38.759 --> 00:16:40.720 makes sense that because I was going to ask you, like, 341 00:16:40.720 --> 00:16:42.240 did he get really sick in the middle of this 342 00:16:42.279 --> 00:16:42.639 one too? 343 00:16:43.639 --> 00:16:46.360 And I, I don't feel like. 344 00:16:46.279 --> 00:16:46.759 It was that. 345 00:16:47.480 --> 00:16:49.519 And then as I was thinking of saying that, I 346 00:16:50.679 --> 00:16:51.240 just feel. 347 00:16:51.000 --> 00:16:52.879 Like writing is so hard that I really have a 348 00:16:52.879 --> 00:16:56.600 hard time hating on I'm not. I just well, even 349 00:16:56.639 --> 00:16:57.919 if it's passible, I. 350 00:16:57.919 --> 00:17:00.320 Did addes, but. 351 00:17:01.840 --> 00:17:03.720 I'm going to read I'm going to read an I'm 352 00:17:03.759 --> 00:17:05.359 going to I'm going to read another quote from the 353 00:17:05.400 --> 00:17:07.519 Lakers guy, because as Jenny said that you are right on, 354 00:17:07.640 --> 00:17:09.880 you are right on with him. I mean like people 355 00:17:09.880 --> 00:17:12.640 were like, he responds to this like three or four 356 00:17:12.680 --> 00:17:15.079 different times than the Lurkers guys, So clearly people were like, 357 00:17:15.279 --> 00:17:18.160 this episode wasn't great, and they're kind of calling him 358 00:17:18.200 --> 00:17:21.200 on it, and he says, you know, thanks, I think 359 00:17:21.480 --> 00:17:23.799 I don't know what he's responding to I think I've 360 00:17:23.799 --> 00:17:25.960 said from the get go that my view of the 361 00:17:26.000 --> 00:17:28.599 second half of this isn't up to the first. It is, 362 00:17:28.640 --> 00:17:30.839 in my view, the weakest of the season's twenty two. 363 00:17:31.279 --> 00:17:33.079 On the flip side, that means the other twenty one 364 00:17:33.119 --> 00:17:33.880 are pretty nifty. 365 00:17:34.319 --> 00:17:36.400 Yeah, because it's so horrible, it's just. 366 00:17:36.519 --> 00:17:47.279 Yeah, I would I would say it nifty. 367 00:17:48.240 --> 00:17:50.680 If this is the worst of the episode, the season 368 00:17:50.799 --> 00:17:52.799 is great because this was fine. This again, this is 369 00:17:52.839 --> 00:17:54.480 one where I'm like, this is a this is a 370 00:17:54.519 --> 00:17:56.400 season three episode of Star Trek the Next Generation. 371 00:17:56.559 --> 00:17:59.640 Maybe I'm just but I'm just like, I don't know 372 00:17:59.680 --> 00:18:02.240 the man about twenty two episodes A great job. 373 00:18:04.039 --> 00:18:05.759 I'm just saying that his neck. 374 00:18:06.480 --> 00:18:08.160 Well, I also love that. 375 00:18:08.200 --> 00:18:11.240 He like this because this is not like this kind 376 00:18:11.279 --> 00:18:14.400 of responses to me would make sense after the show 377 00:18:14.480 --> 00:18:16.640 is done, like being like, oh, yeah, I didn't like 378 00:18:16.680 --> 00:18:19.279 that episode, but this one. But he's not doing this 379 00:18:19.480 --> 00:18:22.359 while the show is airing, like that's amazing to me 380 00:18:22.440 --> 00:18:26.240 that he's it is like answering questions, Oh I didn't 381 00:18:26.599 --> 00:18:29.240 I didn't like this episode, like talking about it while 382 00:18:29.240 --> 00:18:30.440 it's airy, that's wild wild. 383 00:18:31.079 --> 00:18:38.519 Look, here's kind of to crystallize my thoughts, which is 384 00:18:38.559 --> 00:18:40.519 also I'm just realizing what he was talking about. The 385 00:18:40.519 --> 00:18:42.720 episode was crystallized. I didn't mean to steal his verbiage, 386 00:18:43.559 --> 00:18:49.599 but to crystallize my thoughts. The idea of these organic 387 00:18:49.759 --> 00:18:54.920 libraries of Alexandria. It's cool. Unfortunately arry have that with 388 00:18:55.000 --> 00:18:58.640 the Soul Hunters. Oh yeah, we do already have that. 389 00:19:02.519 --> 00:19:07.039 We already have the idea kind of of implanted personalities, 390 00:19:07.119 --> 00:19:10.359 dual personalities with the Cheese Whiz a little bit. It's different, 391 00:19:11.079 --> 00:19:13.160 but like people being taken over, people not being who 392 00:19:13.160 --> 00:19:19.079 they seem, the the the I don't really see what 393 00:19:19.160 --> 00:19:25.400 else we can do with the jellyfish, spine monsters and it. Yeah, 394 00:19:25.400 --> 00:19:27.079 I get like, I understand that they need to keep 395 00:19:27.079 --> 00:19:31.400 themselves secret, but also like the guy knew Franklin, and 396 00:19:31.440 --> 00:19:33.920 it doesn't It doesn't make a lot of sense to 397 00:19:33.960 --> 00:19:35.519 me that these people who are like trying to make 398 00:19:35.640 --> 00:19:39.039 ends meet would just go like, sure, put the jellyfish 399 00:19:39.079 --> 00:19:43.640 in my spine, fuck me up, without you know, talking 400 00:19:43.680 --> 00:19:46.519 to the person who they have a connection to. 401 00:19:47.440 --> 00:19:50.079