Speaker 1: Weary way.
Speaker 2: The brigands brought destruction. Do you remember corner of the Universe?
Speaker 2: The galaxy must be defended.
Speaker 1: I heard you for mem Form in adaced Supergirl fly
Speaker 1: in theaters June twenty six.
Speaker 3: Hello everyone, and welcome to the Culture Cast crossing over
Speaker 3: with the Projection Booth and the Projection Booth crossing over
Speaker 3: with the Culture Cast. I am the host of the
Speaker 3: Culture Cast, Christashu, and I'm joined by my good friend
Speaker 3: all the way from the dying planet of Krypton. He's
Speaker 3: come to save our souls. It's Superman boy child himself,
Speaker 3: the host of the Projection Booth, Mike White.
Speaker 1: I want to say dits, but it's gonna sound like tits.
Speaker 4: Oh my, Uh.
Speaker 3: If you clicked on this episode, you know what we're
Speaker 3: talking about. We're talking about the sequel to last year's
Speaker 3: Superman film, Supergirl. That's what it's called. If you need
Speaker 3: any more explanation as to what it is, you haven't
Speaker 3: seen the advertising for this film, neither of I because
Speaker 3: they didn't really advertise it, or they sort of did.
Speaker 4: I don't know. I really couldn't tell you.
Speaker 3: I knew nothing about it going into it, but Mike
Speaker 3: and I are gonna be talking about this year's most
Speaker 3: recent DC you DCE EU film, Supergirl. So film is
Speaker 3: directed by Craig Gillespie, written by Anna Noguera, and it
Speaker 3: stars Milly Alcock reprising her role as Supergirl from the
Speaker 3: end of Superman. It also stars the overwhelmingly I guess
Speaker 3: Belgian actor Matthias showIn Arts, which is just the most
Speaker 3: Belgian named you can think of. Eve Ridley, David Crumbholtz,
Speaker 3: Emily Beacham, David Corninsweat comes back as Superman, Jason Momoa
Speaker 3: as Lobo, and I shit you not because I guess
Speaker 3: he was just not busy. Seth Rogen as an alien. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: literally couldn't. It's like Martin Scorsese as an alien. I
Speaker 3: guess he just wanted sagminimum. The film follows Supergirl as
Speaker 3: she celebrates her twenty third birthday and tries to save
Speaker 3: a girl's sword who she meets in a bar while
Speaker 3: going on a pub crawl on a planet that has
Speaker 3: a red sun. We will be spoiling the film, obviously,
Speaker 3: because that's the kind of people we are, So this
Speaker 3: is a warning ahead of time. So before we spoil it, Mike,
Speaker 3: should people be spending their hard earned cash to go
Speaker 3: see's Supergirl. Uh in a word, No, the review was
Speaker 3: two words shit sandwich.
Speaker 4: I can't say that.
Speaker 1: So do you think that Seth Rogan was jealous of
Speaker 1: Kamal Nan Johnny because he did the voice of that
Speaker 1: little cute alien in Men in Black International? And Seth
Speaker 1: Rogan gets the little cute alien for this one?
Speaker 3: Was Seth Rogan not the voice of Babu Frickin' Star Wars?
Speaker 4: Oh, I'm just kidding.
Speaker 3: I would It's gonna be funny than for anyone to
Speaker 3: think that that's the case. I'm just putting a fake
Speaker 3: piece of information into the Internet. Maybe someone don't put
Speaker 3: it on IMDb.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 3: This is the second time he's played a space alien.
Speaker 3: I don't know why Seth Rogan is in this movie.
Speaker 4: Fucking bizarre.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it took me a while. I mean, he
Speaker 1: might be the best character in the movie. Uh, I mean,
Speaker 1: it's this is a strange, strange film, right, It's like
Speaker 1: it's kind of a Western, like a Western in space.
Speaker 1: And I mean we really have seen this so many
Speaker 1: times where it's it's basically it's like it's true grit, right,
Speaker 1: It's like she goes on a quest to hire a
Speaker 1: killer to take care of her revenge and or track
Speaker 1: down the bad guy, and you've got the reluctant hero
Speaker 1: that has to help out but doesn't want to, and
Speaker 1: then hilarity ensues. At least I've always wanted. So when
Speaker 1: I was a kid growing up, I had no idea
Speaker 1: that Superman was solar powered, like I had heard, Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: he needs the power of the yellow sun in order
Speaker 1: to make him powerful, like Krypton had a red son.
Speaker 1: We've got a yellow son, so now he's powerful. And
Speaker 1: then I was reading a I think it was a
Speaker 1: screenplay for one of the rejected versions of Superman five
Speaker 1: aka Superman Lives the whole Death of Superman storyline, And
Speaker 1: in one of those there was some he had like
Speaker 1: a it was very mister Burns, like mister Burns had
Speaker 1: like a big thing, and he was charging people for
Speaker 1: sunlight right he was blocking off the sun from Springfield.
Speaker 1: Might have been the first movie, I can't remember, but
Speaker 1: in the Superman movie, Lex Luthor was basically doing the
Speaker 1: same thing or brainiac, I don't know, and Superman was
Speaker 1: running out of gas basically, and he was powerless without
Speaker 1: any sun, And I was like, you, I'll be fucking
Speaker 1: kidding me, Like he's literally solar powered. Like I knew
Speaker 1: that the yellow sun helped power him up and everything,
Speaker 1: but I didn't know that it was like what happens
Speaker 1: that nighttime? I mean, he is the thing that Republicans
Speaker 1: always talk about when they're talking about how solar energy
Speaker 1: will never work. What happens when the sun goes down?
Speaker 1: What happens on cloudy days? I mean, if it gets
Speaker 1: really overcast in Metropolis, does he start to feel a
Speaker 1: little LOGI Does he have to like run and get
Speaker 1: a coffee or something?
Speaker 3: I don't know because I am not that big of
Speaker 3: a Superman guy myself. So the fact that so much
Speaker 3: of this movie hinged on that was not a surprise
Speaker 3: to me, but just like one of those things where
Speaker 3: I was like, man, we're really We talked about it
Speaker 3: with the Lord of the Rings, showed the podcast of
Speaker 3: Power that we do together that's coming out later this year,
Speaker 3: when we're readdressing the second season that show before the
Speaker 3: third season comes out, and it's like they took one
Speaker 3: thing from Superman and just blew it up in this
Speaker 3: movie into the entire thing, and it's like oh the
Speaker 3: Sun and the Green Sun and the Yellow Son. It's like, okay,
Speaker 3: like I again, yeah, yeah, like again. I know that
Speaker 3: that is a thing in the Superman comics. However, that
Speaker 3: doesn't mean that I want the entire movie to hinge
Speaker 3: on that. And like you said, if they're never going
Speaker 3: to actually address it, why do it so much? Why
Speaker 3: have so much of this movie hinge on it? But
Speaker 3: I don't know the rules because I'm honestly not that
Speaker 3: big of a Superman guy. Admittedly, we went and saw
Speaker 3: this movie, which means the movie should maybe explain it
Speaker 3: a little bit more than they did, but you know, yeah,
Speaker 3: say the movie should have explained a lot of things
Speaker 3: like why is this just super girly super Girl of
Speaker 3: the Guardians of the Galaxy, like but the like the
Speaker 3: like the low rent version, Like this just feels really
Speaker 3: it's either that or it's super Girl in grogu, you.
Speaker 4: Know what I mean.
Speaker 3: Like it just feels like the Mandalorian, Like we saw
Speaker 3: this movie last month, and it was better a month ago.
Speaker 3: And that movie wasn't that great either, but at least
Speaker 3: it had Jeremy Allen White as Rad of the Hut. Like,
Speaker 3: you know, this movie has as an alien, like, which
Speaker 3: fucking for whatever goddamn fucking reason you tell me, because
Speaker 3: I'm so confused as to what his inclusion in this
Speaker 3: movie is other than just random.
Speaker 4: I don't understand that.
Speaker 1: Really bother you, because, like I, it's just it even
Speaker 1: registered that it was him.
Speaker 4: It's so distracting.
Speaker 1: Wow, okay, because I'm just like, at one point, at
Speaker 1: one point, I was like, that kind of sounds like
Speaker 1: Seth Brogan, and then I completely forgot. So yeah, it's like,
Speaker 1: all right, yeah it didn't didn't bug me, but okay,
Speaker 1: but you can.
Speaker 3: See how it would bug someone who recognizes Seth Rogan's voice.
Speaker 3: It takes me out of the scene completely. I'm just like,
Speaker 3: and again, it's a cameo. It is a glorified cameo, which,
Speaker 3: again fine, But if this movie had done anything more
Speaker 3: than it does, which is very little, it probably wouldn't
Speaker 3: have been that distraction. Distracting. But this movie, like you said,
Speaker 3: is kind of a Western, but also kind of Guardians
Speaker 3: of the Galaxy adjacent and also nothing like the Superman
Speaker 3: movie in terms of tone. It's like, this exists in
Speaker 3: a universe that's already been established that we're not privied
Speaker 3: that doesn't have anything to do with Superman, and I
Speaker 3: appreciate that that may be entirely the point of this film,
Speaker 3: but I get that astinct feeling Supergirl ain't gonna be
Speaker 3: coming back here anytime soon. It sure doesn't fuck it
Speaker 3: seem like it by the end of the movie either.
Speaker 3: So it almost feels like everything that happened in this
Speaker 3: movie is completely pointless. Like genuinely, I can't imagine what
Speaker 3: point they're going to return to in any future films.
Speaker 3: Maybe the character of Ruth will come back, but that's
Speaker 3: about it, and only about it.
Speaker 1: I hope she doesn't. I hope she doesn't. Ruth is
Speaker 1: so lame. And that's the thing is like, Okay, let's
Speaker 1: get into brass tacks. Supergirl is supposed to be the
Speaker 1: hero of this film. She's supposed to be our main character. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she is constantly getting rescued, be it by Ruth, Lobo,
Speaker 1: possibly even Superman through some of the memories that she has,
Speaker 1: some of the stuff that is going on with her
Speaker 1: recalling this stuff. She doesn't feel like she's the hero
Speaker 1: of her own movie, and it feels like she's sidelined
Speaker 1: so many times. She is on a planet where there's
Speaker 1: no yellow sun. She's drunk, she's poisoned, just all of
Speaker 1: these things. She's taken it out by green sun. And
Speaker 1: that was always the thing sidebar, that was always the
Speaker 1: thing about Superman that couldn't fucking stand. Like when I
Speaker 1: was either reading the comics, which I barely did, but
Speaker 1: I read a lot of comics. I did a lot
Speaker 1: of research for the I wrote an essay about the
Speaker 1: death of Superman lives kind of thing. I call it
Speaker 1: Superman Grounded. If you want to read that, you can
Speaker 1: read it in the Cashiers the Cinema book, which is
Speaker 1: called Impossibly Funky. So I did a lot of research
Speaker 1: on Superman. The thing I couldn't stand was this whole Well,
Speaker 1: green kryptonite can kill him, red kryptonite, does this gold kryptonite?
Speaker 1: Does that blue kryptonite? And it's just like, what are
Speaker 1: you doing? Like, oh, there's and I'm gonna say this wrong, Nerd,
Speaker 1: so be prepared. Oh my god, Lex Luthor has this
Speaker 1: blue kryptonite. Now Superman is old. It's like, what the
Speaker 1: fuck are you doing? So they're like, oh, she's on
Speaker 1: a planet with a green sun. I'm like and like, okay,
Speaker 1: I guess this kills her because kryptonite is also green.
Speaker 1: All right, but anyway, do you know about pink kryptonite?
Speaker 1: Mike Zimkey gay?
Speaker 4: Yes, okay, all.
Speaker 3: Right, So it was a joke in the two thousand
Speaker 3: and three Supergirl comic that they made a pink kryptonite
Speaker 3: that I think made Jimmy Olsen like slightly more effeminate
Speaker 3: as a gag on exactly what you're talking where it's
Speaker 3: like the fact that there were like a rainbow of
Speaker 3: kryptonites now like including the pink one, which makes you gay,
Speaker 3: Like it's a real thing in the comic, but it
Speaker 3: was obviously like it's like Deadpool, right, it's like part
Speaker 3: of the mythology of the world, but it's absurdist in
Speaker 3: its own, like you know, execution. But yeah, there's pink kryptonite.
Speaker 3: It actually makes you gay, or at least the characters
Speaker 3: in the comic book.
Speaker 1: Okay, great, Yeah, but yeah, she just she doesn't seem
Speaker 1: to have a whole lot of agency in this movie,
Speaker 1: and even the way that it's told when it comes
Speaker 1: to the flashbacks of her and the I guess this
Speaker 1: must have been before Bramiac shrinks the city, doesn't he
Speaker 1: do that shrinks the city of Argo and transports it
Speaker 1: to Earth or something. So all these little people, little
Speaker 1: Cryptonians in there. Anyway, I know, I'm getting way past
Speaker 1: the lore, but like the way that that story told,
Speaker 1: we're kind of going, we've got some momentum, and then
Speaker 1: we just hit the brakes and then boom, here we are.
Speaker 1: Now we've got the backstory, We've got David Crumholtz even
Speaker 1: that it's like you see her meeting Crypto once and
Speaker 1: then you see the why she met him and all
Speaker 1: this kind of stuff. You sideline Crypto through this whole
Speaker 1: thing as.
Speaker 4: Well whole movie, which.
Speaker 1: Was totally understandable. I know a lot of people are like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: he was the best character, and there I didn't care
Speaker 1: for Crypto. I was just like, man, take control of
Speaker 1: your dog. Like I can't stand dogs that are just
Speaker 1: that wild. It's like, no, no, you better call him down, boy.
Speaker 4: But this is too much of a correction.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, I mean, this is totally
Speaker 1: a James Gun property, and I'm just like, all right,
Speaker 1: I just saw this and Guardians of the Galaxy three,
Speaker 1: we sidelined Rocket through the whole fucking thing, and then
Speaker 1: we do tell like flashbacks of Rocket growing up, and
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, so you just replaced the the
Speaker 1: the main character in the flashbacks with her instead of
Speaker 1: with Rocket or instead of with Crypto. So I'm just
Speaker 1: like you just this is like a Greatest Hits kind
Speaker 1: of thing. Like I was just like, this is so
Speaker 1: by the numbers, even the way that they're shooting the
Speaker 1: fight scenes. I'm like, Okay, I've seen this before, man, Like,
Speaker 1: this is not showing me anything new. And then you
Speaker 1: have the whole question of how violent is Supergirl versus Superman.
Speaker 1: You know, we had this whole thing back with like
Speaker 1: Man of Steel, where it was him just you know,
Speaker 1: breaking necks and stuff and destroying property like crazy. She
Speaker 1: has no problem just killing people like mad in this movie,
Speaker 1: and especially that they changed the end of the comic
Speaker 1: that this was based on, and rather than showing mercy
Speaker 1: and like sending this guy to the you know, the
Speaker 1: Forbidden Zone or whatever, it is, that she fucking gangst
Speaker 1: the bad guy at the end. Sorry spoilers, but it's like,
Speaker 1: what the fuck? Man, Like, You're supposed to be one
Speaker 1: of the good guys and you just cold blooded murder
Speaker 1: this guy And it feels like, sorry, Chris, I'm on
Speaker 1: a rant. It feels like she is doing that because
Speaker 1: the girl is pure. And I will say it's not
Speaker 1: just pure as far as her heart. I think this
Speaker 1: whole thing because of the bad guys being sex traffickers.
Speaker 1: It's basically like protecting her virginity. And it feels like
Speaker 1: the whole thing is like, well, Supergirl's already sullied, but
Speaker 1: this girl's pure. All these other girls are pure. They
Speaker 1: even had fucking little kids in the Guardians of the
Speaker 1: Galaxy three. It's like, for Fox's sake, man, just pick
Speaker 1: a new movie, pick a new script.
Speaker 3: I think what's ultimately really disheartening. Before I talk about
Speaker 3: what you talked about. I want to mention this because
Speaker 3: I'm gonna forget eitherwise. Anna Noguera is writing not only
Speaker 3: this film. She's also writing the script for the upcoming
Speaker 3: Wonder Woman film and an untitled Teen Titans film. Please no,
Speaker 3: Please there. This is a script issue, not a film like,
Speaker 3: not a film maker issue. And I actually personally have
Speaker 3: no issue with Supergirl killing people. And I will tell
Speaker 3: you why, because ultimately, she's not an important enough character
Speaker 3: for this to be some sort of thing where it's
Speaker 3: like breaking the entire law of the universe Superman. Okay,
Speaker 3: Supergirl has a clearly different way of handling things and
Speaker 3: a different way of going about things, and I think
Speaker 3: it's smart to have a character like her in this
Speaker 3: universe that is diametrically opposed to the way Superman does things,
Speaker 3: but not a villain per se. She's I guess James
Speaker 3: Gunn says she's more of an anti hero in this movie.
Speaker 3: I guess she's an anti hero because.
Speaker 4: She kills people.
Speaker 3: That's about it, which is that's killing people does not
Speaker 3: an anti hero make there are other things that go
Speaker 3: with that, you, I mean, I would say maybe you
Speaker 3: would agree Han Solo bit of an anti hero only
Speaker 3: really ever had to kill one person to prove it,
Speaker 3: that's it, and even then like retroactively trying to change
Speaker 3: the way that that hits because apparently he can't kill
Speaker 3: someone who has a fucking gun.
Speaker 4: On him to begin with.
Speaker 3: Like, I guess we all apply to the United States
Speaker 3: law of rules in space now too, And that's the thing.
Speaker 3: Like I don't mind Supergirl killing the villain at the
Speaker 3: end of this movie. I do understand and agree with
Speaker 3: you in juxtaposition with the man of steel of it all,
Speaker 3: it seems a little weird, but I think here it's
Speaker 3: because it's not Superman doing it. It's a character that's
Speaker 3: like a tertiary superhero in that universe. If Batman doesn't
Speaker 3: want to kill people, fine, but that doesn't mean Redhood won't.
Speaker 3: And Redhood is part of kind of in the good
Speaker 3: version of Redhood. He's kind of part of Batman's cadre
Speaker 3: of like younger people that he works with, but Redhood
Speaker 3: uses guns like straight up dead ass pistols. I look,
Speaker 3: if this is the direction they want to go a
Speaker 3: Supergirl and have her be Redhood adjacent in terms of
Speaker 3: the way she conducts herself, fine, you know, it's one
Speaker 3: of those things where there's no universe where the character
Speaker 3: of Krem of the Yellow Hills, because they say his
Speaker 3: name that way a million times in the movie. There's
Speaker 3: no universe where if that guy was left unch, he
Speaker 3: would not continue to do what he's doing. But I
Speaker 3: don't there's enough of them child trafficking, child trafficking. There's
Speaker 3: just not enough of him in the movie to make
Speaker 3: him a villain.
Speaker 4: That's my problem.
Speaker 3: There's not enough of him in the movie as a
Speaker 3: despicable villain for us to buy the end of the
Speaker 3: movie get on board with her killing him. I don't
Speaker 3: see an issue with it from a future storytelling, planting
Speaker 3: and payoff standpoint from but from a did they earn
Speaker 3: it in this movie? No, because he's not a villain
Speaker 3: enough to warrant her going out of her ways, possibly
Speaker 3: her morality going further than her morality would to kill him,
Speaker 3: because that was always the thing in Man of Steel, right,
Speaker 3: Zod was never gonna stop unless Superman fucking killed him.
Speaker 3: And I would even say in Man of Steel they
Speaker 3: earned that. It's not great, but at least it's like
Speaker 3: they're destroying the whole goddamn city, so they kind of
Speaker 3: earn him needing to be killed because like, he's never
Speaker 3: gonna stop here, Like this guy is a fucking pissant trafficker. Like,
Speaker 3: is she gonna go and kill every single one of
Speaker 3: these assholes in the universe that they live in. No,
Speaker 3: So it's just that's the problem. It needed to the
Speaker 3: stakes here needed to be higher because otherwise, like you said,
Speaker 3: like it rings a little hollow that she's just so
Speaker 3: willing to kill him at the end.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, this villain is not very villainous. I
Speaker 1: mean again, he request is to find him, and then
Speaker 1: occasionally she does and Lobo's there, and Lobo isn't interested
Speaker 1: in him. He's interested in another guy. He's interested in
Speaker 1: basically Taser face adjacent.
Speaker 4: Guy, right, the second in command here?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Who we never I mean other than like a name,
Speaker 1: And I thought, and I'm not a Lobo guy. I
Speaker 1: never really came across Lobo at all. So I thought
Speaker 1: that he was talking about a person named Bastitch. I
Speaker 1: didn't know that that was his swear word. And then
Speaker 1: after he said bastach a couple of times, I was like,
Speaker 1: is he making a Johnny Dangerously reference?
Speaker 3: He is literally just like Deadpool but in the DC universe, right,
Speaker 3: Like that is that the feeling you got from the
Speaker 3: way the character is being used in the movie. Maybe
Speaker 3: not like the fourth wall breaking, but just like the too.
Speaker 4: Cool for school thing.
Speaker 3: Uh, I'm not a Lobo guy like a lot of
Speaker 3: the DC stuff. There's like blind spots all over the place.
Speaker 3: He's a mercenary and a bounty hunter from you know.
Speaker 4: That's it.
Speaker 3: Like that's all I knew going into the movie.
Speaker 4: Jason Moo was fine.
Speaker 1: It's just weird to have Jason Momoa after we just
Speaker 1: saw him as dude bro Aquamant and as.
Speaker 4: Well, right now he's just dude bro bounty hunter.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I'm like, what you guys are okay with this?
Speaker 1: You're all right?
Speaker 4: Three years ago by.
Speaker 1: The way, No, it's crazy, right, Yeah, And like he
Speaker 1: basically closed out the DCEU and now he's back at this.
Speaker 1: I'm like, that's weird, Like, why would you do that?
Speaker 3: Money lots of Yeah. And he also he liked I
Speaker 3: think he petitioned to be the character of Lobo, specifically Momoa.
Speaker 4: Did, Oh he did?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 3: Yeah, which is I mean, look like he has the look,
Speaker 3: he has the personality. Let me ask you thought question,
Speaker 3: like our dear friend Richard likes to do. Would it
Speaker 3: have been that big of a deal if he hadn't
Speaker 3: been Aquaman? Right, Let's pretend there's a universe where Aquaman
Speaker 3: never existed, because effectively we're being asked to do that anyways, Now,
Speaker 3: would it be that big of a deal if he's
Speaker 3: just playing Lobo? Now for the first time, Momoa is
Speaker 3: getting involved in a superhero property and it's Lobo.
Speaker 1: No, I would have no problem with that, right though
Speaker 1: they needed to use the character better.
Speaker 3: Right, that's the That's more kind of my point, Like
Speaker 3: it's a problem obviously in our reality, because Momoa has
Speaker 3: played this fucking character before, literally in the movies that
Speaker 3: were these that these movies are rebooting. But that doesn't
Speaker 3: mean he's not good. It's just he's given fuck all
Speaker 3: to do. And then he disappears in the climax in
Speaker 3: a way that I was like, Oh, he's coming back,
Speaker 3: and then he doesn't come back, and I'm like, what
Speaker 3: the fuck? This is that time where he shows back
Speaker 3: up and no Supergirl shows back up and doesn't manage
Speaker 3: to turn the villain in to a puddle of goo
Speaker 3: when she drags him going one hundred miles an hour
Speaker 3: through the air along the ground, which I don't fucking
Speaker 3: understand any of. Like the problem with Superman for me
Speaker 3: and any of the Kryptonians is their gods literally in
Speaker 3: comparison to us as humans, and so if they hit us,
Speaker 3: they should punch holes through us, unless they're like limiting
Speaker 3: themselves by the power that they have, which we've never
Speaker 3: really seen any of them do. They're limited externally, but
Speaker 3: we don't ever see them limiting themselves internally. That would
Speaker 3: be an interesting conversation in these movies to have. I'm
Speaker 3: sure they've done in the comics because it's been around
Speaker 3: long enough that there's no way that they have. And
Speaker 3: I mean, that's effectively just one punch Man, right, Like
Speaker 3: I don't know if you know about one punch Man,
Speaker 3: but he ends all conflicts with one punch because he's
Speaker 3: so strong, and so that becomes a mental problem for
Speaker 3: him where he's like, I don't like this. I don't
Speaker 3: like ending every conflict with one punch. I want more
Speaker 3: than that. That's a Superman problem. This movie like doesn't
Speaker 3: even fucking address it because she should be killing everyone
Speaker 3: she punches immediately. There's no everyone here is a meta
Speaker 3: human because you can't force us to forget that. Motherfuckers
Speaker 3: all of them should just be dead. And Superman leans
Speaker 3: into that so much and like makes it clear because
Speaker 3: he's fighting himself through most of the movie that that's
Speaker 3: what The fucking only person that could ever stand up
Speaker 3: to Superman is Superman. And in this movie, it's like
Speaker 3: she should just walk up to people and flick them
Speaker 3: and they go flying to the fucking air and their
Speaker 3: heads are caved in, Like that's the level of a
Speaker 3: Kryptonian when they're in yet the yellow Sun is their
Speaker 3: gods and they cannot die. Right, Where is that in
Speaker 3: this fucking movie?
Speaker 4: For real?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Like I don't even get because the first time
Speaker 1: she gets poisoned and she's trying to make herself throw up,
Speaker 1: I think that's on a planet with the yellow sound. Soon,
Speaker 1: it just feels like they're they're going like making like
Speaker 1: crazy moves just to like keep this stuff straight, but
Speaker 1: not doing a very good job at it. It feels
Speaker 1: like I'm more invested in the movie than the movie is.
Speaker 3: I'm invested in this movie, I think for the same
Speaker 3: reason that you are, which is that Superman movie in retrospect,
Speaker 3: And I mean again, we talked about it a year ago.
Speaker 3: You can go listen to that podcast on your respective
Speaker 3: feed and my respective feed. That movie was really good,
Speaker 3: Like I've rewatched it. I've rewatched it since and I
Speaker 3: enjoyed it. Like that scene towards the end of the
Speaker 3: movie where he's in that chair and he's like, show
Speaker 3: me the video of my parents, Like you know what,
Speaker 3: that scene still works like for me, like that that
Speaker 3: the emotional core of that movie work still. This movie
Speaker 3: doesn't even attempt any of that emotionality or like character building,
Speaker 3: and you know what, I just don't know if Anna
Speaker 3: Aguera has the ability as a screenwriter to match what
Speaker 3: James Gunn.
Speaker 4: Look.
Speaker 3: You know, James Gunn stole the scripted Guardians from the
Speaker 3: Galaxy and took the woman's name off of it. Who
Speaker 3: got and should have gotten the original credit. But here's
Speaker 3: the thing, there are so many people that have done
Speaker 3: that that then can't hold the jockstrap or the g
Speaker 3: string or no underwear of the person before them. James
Speaker 3: gun On, unfortunately can he can back up For the
Speaker 3: most part, a lot of the decisions that he's made
Speaker 3: are coming from him directly, and I think he can
Speaker 3: back up what happened with Guardians of the Galaxy by saying, look,
Speaker 3: I've actually written it like eight other times, eight different ways,
Speaker 3: and it's still pretty good. This movie could have used
Speaker 3: more James gun because it seems like low budget James
Speaker 3: Gunn in a way that like I've only ever seen
Speaker 3: with him. His movie, you know, like was Suicide Squad
Speaker 3: a low rent version of Guardians of the Galaxy in
Speaker 3: a lot of ways, Yes, but it's still worked because
Speaker 3: it was doing something that Guardens of the Galaxy was
Speaker 3: never allowed to do, which was have an edge to it,
Speaker 3: like a real edge to it. This feels like a
Speaker 3: James gun movie without any of the intention or character
Speaker 3: building that James Gunn does so well, which is understanding
Speaker 3: how to write compelling character, even if the stuff that
Speaker 3: the characters are doing is not super compelling. I still
Speaker 3: think James Gunn understands how to create compelling, interesting characters,
Speaker 3: and this movie does not have any of it at all.
Speaker 1: No, no, And I wanted to like more of these people. Man, really,
Speaker 1: I could not get behind the girl seeking revenge and
Speaker 1: I really wanted to get behind Supergirl again. You know
Speaker 1: how much I love when people act drunk.
Speaker 4: Oh I was gonna ask you about that. Holy shit.
Speaker 4: It's like the first quarter of the movie is just like,
Speaker 4: what what is Mike going to think?
Speaker 3: Is all I could think when I was watching movies,
Speaker 3: like Jesus, Mike's gonna hate this fucking movie.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I was. I was okay with a lot
Speaker 1: of it, but it was still just like, oh right,
Speaker 1: all right, yeah, And just like the gender politics of this,
Speaker 1: like I guess they had to be girl space pirates
Speaker 1: that try to take over to the stagecoach or space
Speaker 1: bus that they're on. It's weird to me, and I
Speaker 1: guess it's because she's with a human or a humanoid
Speaker 1: person that she just can't fly whenever she wants to.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's gonna be really limiting when you are
Speaker 1: a god flying amongst the stars that you just have
Speaker 1: to like avoid the red suns whenever possible, and for
Speaker 1: God's sakes, don't go near any green ones. You just
Speaker 1: have to have like a mental model as far as
Speaker 1: like where you're bopping around the whole thing of her
Speaker 1: flying spaceship.
Speaker 4: I was just like, that's guard into the galaxy.
Speaker 1: It's fucking Peter Quill. Yeah exactly. I'm surprised it wasn't
Speaker 1: even the same ship.
Speaker 3: And you know what, and this is the other thing
Speaker 3: I want to talk about. Man, I might get some
Speaker 3: hate here. I might get some of these guys are
Speaker 3: a bunch of haters, you know what. I just want
Speaker 3: to address that head on because there's one review on
Speaker 3: iTunes that always makes me laugh. It's like these guys
Speaker 3: hated the Justice League. Zack Snyder cut, I didn't hate it.
Speaker 3: I actually gave you plenty of reasons why I didn't
Speaker 3: like it. That are intelligently thought through that aren't just
Speaker 3: me saying I didn't like it because it fucking sucked.
Speaker 3: So I just want to head that off here by
Speaker 3: saying the music in this movie might be the most
Speaker 3: obnoxious goddamn thing in this movie. And man, when it's
Speaker 3: not James Gunn doing the needle drops, it seems like
Speaker 3: it's not James Gunn doing the needle drops, and it's
Speaker 3: obvious is not James Gunn doing the needle drops because
Speaker 3: it was. Again, I don't want to get hate on
Speaker 3: the internet, but I'm going to say it anyways, this
Speaker 3: is just as bad with the.
Speaker 4: Needle drops as that first Suicide Squad movie was.
Speaker 1: I mean, it literally starts with a needle drop. It
Speaker 1: starts with Crypto dropping a needle onto a record. And
Speaker 1: with those Guardians of the Galaxy movies, he's very purposeful
Speaker 1: when it comes to the songs that he's selecting. Do
Speaker 1: they always stick to like the same you know, era
Speaker 1: not necessarily like the I would say the first Guardians
Speaker 1: is pretty solid in the seventies. The second one should
Speaker 1: have been more in the eighties to kind of like
Speaker 1: follow along a little bit more when it comes to
Speaker 1: you know, like I like the idea of he starts
Speaker 1: off with a cassette a walkman in the first one,
Speaker 1: and then he moves to the zoon in the second one,
Speaker 1: like I was hoping that that would be a thing
Speaker 1: like and then maybe a CD player or actually probably
Speaker 1: should have been a CD player, and then a zoom
Speaker 1: in the third one, and like really kind of focused
Speaker 1: more on like seventies eighties than nineties, but they go
Speaker 1: away from that pretty quickly. But here it just feels
Speaker 1: very random, and it feels very It's like, can reminded
Speaker 1: me of uh, Captain Marvel or Miss Marvel whatever that
Speaker 1: Miss Marvel, Captain Marvel, the one, Three Lars one, Yeah,
Speaker 1: the Bree Larser one. It just felt like that where
Speaker 1: it's like, hey, we set this in the past, so
Speaker 1: we're gonna put all these songs in here, and it's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: but you're not doing that great of a job with this.
Speaker 4: At least there's no Da Samuel Jackson in this movie.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, thank goodness for small favors. But there's so
Speaker 1: much fucking Superman. I couldn't get over how much Superman.
Speaker 1: There wasn't a Supergirl film, and that sounds like a
Speaker 1: weird complaint, but it's like, you don't need to have
Speaker 1: him constantly in this movie. I thought it was just
Speaker 1: gonna be missed phone call after missed phone call kind
Speaker 1: of a thing. And then when she actually picks up,
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, okay, well, hopefully that's the last
Speaker 1: time we see him. And again, I don't dislike the character,
Speaker 1: but it's like, get out of this Supergirl movie, Superman,
Speaker 1: like give her some fucking agency, and then they end
Speaker 1: the whole movie with her back in Metropolis. It's like, oh, okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: this is this is a strange way to do this.
Speaker 3: Well, she had to get there for whatever. The next
Speaker 3: movie is The Man of Tomorrow, the movie that she's in,
Speaker 3: So it's like she had to get back to Earth.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 3: So I don't want to say this feels like a
Speaker 3: waste of time, but if the entire intention of this
Speaker 3: movie is just to get her back to Earth, you
Speaker 3: could have done that in five minutes. She was already
Speaker 3: there technically, for fock's sake, she was there at the
Speaker 3: end of the first movie. The problem with David Corn
Speaker 3: and Sweat being in this movie is is the thing
Speaker 3: we just talked about with Jackass having all those clips
Speaker 3: from better movies. It just makes me want to watch Superman,
Speaker 3: which is a better movie. It makes me actively want
Speaker 3: to turn this movie off and turn on Superman, and
Speaker 3: that is never a good sign when you're watching something
Speaker 3: it is. It is a very risky thing to do
Speaker 3: to remind someone of something better in your untested film.
Speaker 3: It is a it is a shot calling thing, like
Speaker 3: I'm gonna call it my shot, you know, but rarely
Speaker 3: does it ever, if ever work out. It's it's that
Speaker 3: same like I wouldn't say, like hanging a lantern on it,
Speaker 3: but I don't. Do you remember an Apocalypse X Men
Speaker 3: Apocalypse where they're like going and seeing Return of the Jedi.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the Third Ones, Oh is the worst or whatever?
Speaker 3: It's like, what the fuck are you doing? Are you
Speaker 3: acknowledging that this movie sucks? Are you trying to get
Speaker 3: out in front of it? That has that same effect
Speaker 3: for me that these kinds of things do, where it's
Speaker 3: like you're reminding me of something else that's better, or
Speaker 3: you're reminding me of something else that's equally terrible, just
Speaker 3: like you are, and you're acknowledging the fact that you're terrible.
Speaker 3: Ahead of time, Like I just I have a real
Speaker 3: problem with that because don't, like you said, don't show
Speaker 3: Superman until the end, like literally and by the way,
Speaker 3: making me think of Superman, David Crumbholtz equals Bradley Cooper
Speaker 3: in terms of level of star power.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I love Crumbholts. I love him, but yeah,
Speaker 1: and then that weird little throw off line where he's
Speaker 1: just like, oh yeah, there's there's color being sent off
Speaker 1: and my crazy brother wants him to conquer the world.
Speaker 1: I'm like, Okay, that's a weird flex, Like, so should
Speaker 1: you be like, well, my brother he's you know, he's
Speaker 1: going to ruin the world, the universe or something. He's
Speaker 1: he's about conquering and I'm about peace or something. Yeah. Nothing.
Speaker 1: It was just like, oh, there we go too. Yeah bye.
Speaker 3: Why do they call him solo? It reminded me of
Speaker 3: that that scene from The Hobbit. You shall go to
Speaker 3: the Westlands and you will meet a man. They call
Speaker 3: him Strider, but you can call him Arara, gorn Or
Speaker 3: or whatever Matt calls him in always Anny, Vigo, Morgan,
Speaker 3: Storm or whatever.
Speaker 4: Like it's just you don't need to do that.
Speaker 3: We know that this is a fucking movie that is
Speaker 3: taking place, and like the other movie came out last
Speaker 3: year and that's the only movie. Do you really need
Speaker 3: to remind us of the only other movie that exists here?
Speaker 3: Like it's it's not okay, It's not like if John
Speaker 3: Cena in this movie where it's like oh right, he
Speaker 3: or Peacekeeper, oh right, that's part of It's like's none
Speaker 3: of that. It's just fucking Superman like that was a
Speaker 3: movie ago. Calm down, James Gunn, this ain't the MCU.
Speaker 3: We're not like layers upon layers upon layers and things.
Speaker 3: This just it feels like somebody watched a bunch of
Speaker 3: James gun movies and when I could do that to it,
Speaker 3: it's like, you know, no, you can't. And that's kind
Speaker 3: of why James Gunn is the guy in charge of
Speaker 3: DC now, because nobody else can really do what he does,
Speaker 3: and when given the opportunity to, they're just like, hey,
Speaker 3: you know what, my favorite scene in Inglorious Bastards was
Speaker 3: the beginning.
Speaker 4: Let's recreate that in our movie. And it's like, what
Speaker 4: the fuck are you thinking? Anytime?
Speaker 3: Now? There's two characters sitting across from one another at
Speaker 3: a table. All I can think of is they must
Speaker 3: have seen inglorious bastards, because that's all it ever is,
Speaker 3: and it's always a worse version of that, which is
Speaker 3: to say it's already a Quentin Tarantino thing. But this
Speaker 3: just feels derivative of other things and of itself.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, And I don't hold James Gun in that
Speaker 1: high of esteem. I think I've seen Guardians two one
Speaker 1: time because it just was such a rip off of
Speaker 1: Empire Strikes Back. And I remember it was like three
Speaker 1: weeks after the movie came out. I think Io nine
Speaker 1: was just like like, oh, there's similarities between this and
Speaker 1: Empire Strikes Back. I'm like, there's fucking lines that are
Speaker 1: basically from Empire Strikes Back, like sidelining a character where
Speaker 1: I'm just like, okay, well that, you know, like Mantis
Speaker 1: is totally C three Po when she you know, she's
Speaker 1: got her secret, and I'm like in C three Pos
Speaker 1: was in there with the egg knots and he got
Speaker 1: you know, destroyed, and yeah, hurry up Chewbacca and repair him.
Speaker 1: He's going to tell you that that everything is going
Speaker 1: to happen on Best Bend here, And I'm just like
Speaker 1: the whole thing and with the fathers and the sons
Speaker 1: and stuff. And of course that's like James Guns's thing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, boy, isn't it. He's been like him trauma his
Speaker 4: whole life.
Speaker 1: Oh, it's like him and pt Anderson should get together
Speaker 1: and have a beer or something. Yeah.
Speaker 4: You know my dad didn't love me. Yeah we know.
Speaker 1: Yeah mine neither. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Same like, same buddy.
Speaker 3: But I didn't sit and make a fucking movie about it,
Speaker 3: like you know, a movie with Kurt Russell as your
Speaker 3: state and in dad like good Man that. Yeah, let's
Speaker 3: talk about that for a second. Guardians of the Galaxy
Speaker 3: two atrocious, atrocious, And that's James Gunn doing his own thing.
Speaker 3: Like I Guardians of the Galaxy two was so bad,
Speaker 3: And I really have like a what's the term Anna
Speaker 3: Farisian response to Chris Pratt that I don't want to
Speaker 3: see anything he's in anymore, Like I will actively stay
Speaker 3: away from projects that he's in, because anytime I see
Speaker 3: anything that's him non in a movie, he doesn't seem like.
Speaker 4: The kind of person I'd want to spend any time with.
Speaker 3: Frankly, he seems like the kind of person who I've
Speaker 3: cut people like that out of my life where they're
Speaker 3: like AI is not God and AI will never replace God,
Speaker 3: and it's like, oh, you're one of those now fun,
Speaker 3: I'm good. Chris Pratt strikes me as a very unfun
Speaker 3: person to be around in person. So I just have
Speaker 3: not watched mostly any of the Guardian stuff, either again
Speaker 3: or the third one. I don't even care. Like, I
Speaker 3: know it came out. I know people said it was good.
Speaker 3: I don't care, couldn't couldn't get me to watch it.
Speaker 1: I've seen it a few times and I say it's
Speaker 1: very emotionally manipulative, so it's ajasing. Yeah, I mean, it
Speaker 1: is totally the Rocket story and you get to see
Speaker 1: all kinds of horrible things being done to animals. It's
Speaker 1: really very tough to watch.
Speaker 4: Why would I willingly go watch that I.
Speaker 1: Do not know? And like, I basically after the first time,
Speaker 1: I was like, I really don't ever need to see
Speaker 1: this again. Ambria has turned it on many times since then,
Speaker 1: and I will either put on my headphones and try
Speaker 1: to not pay attention, or I will leave the room
Speaker 1: because it's it's very traumatic and I just don't need that.
Speaker 3: I think my issue with the Supergirl is that same
Speaker 3: level of emotional manipulation. Like, look, it's that joke now
Speaker 3: of the post John Wick universe that we live in,
Speaker 3: where it's like, you fuck with the dog, you fuck
Speaker 3: with the boss, you get killed by the boss because
Speaker 3: you fucked with the dog, And so Supergirl traffics in that.
Speaker 3: But like john Wick is kind of the only movie
Speaker 3: that gets to do that because john Wick doesn't force
Speaker 3: it down our fucking throats like this movie does. And
Speaker 3: it's so this movie's emotionally manipulative in its own right.
Speaker 3: That's why it's like so irritating that it's like it's
Speaker 3: the dog immediately I understand, and I remember when we
Speaker 3: had the conversation about Superman that I believe I may
Speaker 3: have been the only one who is kinder about the
Speaker 3: dog than I think you may have been. But I'm
Speaker 3: sad to not see the dog in this movie for
Speaker 3: different reasons. I'm actually sad to not see the dog
Speaker 3: in this movie where you're I understand where you're coming from,
Speaker 3: totally like it was it was a big part of
Speaker 3: the last movie. I'm sad to see the dog not
Speaker 3: in this movie because the way they took the dog
Speaker 3: out of the movie is emotionally manipulative in a way
Speaker 3: that didn't need to be. Like, I know why they
Speaker 3: got rid of it, but also it feels like they
Speaker 3: got rid of the dog to keep the budget of
Speaker 3: the movie down.
Speaker 1: Yeah, since it's all cech all the time.
Speaker 3: Right, it's like not a real dog like part of me,
Speaker 3: as the cynical, you know, movie watcher part of the
Speaker 3: industry like you and I are, I'm just like, well,
Speaker 3: it's just.
Speaker 4: Like a cost saving measure.
Speaker 3: They just didn't want the dog in the movie because
Speaker 3: they'd have like every single shot of this movie would
Speaker 3: be a CGI shot because if you had the dog,
Speaker 3: even if it's just a cutaway, it's just an empty
Speaker 3: scene with the dog doing some stupid shit. And Millie Alcock,
Speaker 3: can you know, shoot a glance and look at what
Speaker 3: the dog's doing. That's still god knows how much money
Speaker 3: you gotta pay people to make like it's not free.
Speaker 3: So the fact that the dog is in what of
Speaker 3: five scenes in this movie, when in the Superman movie
Speaker 3: he's in every scene is just that's a cost saving measure.
Speaker 3: That's what strikes me as Yeah.
Speaker 1: No, I don't disagree, And yeah, there were a few
Speaker 1: times where I was just like, Okay, was there somebody
Speaker 1: on set with her pretending to be the dog? Like,
Speaker 1: you know, where were those images kind of thing? Like
Speaker 1: what was that White Fang movie with Harrison Ford?
Speaker 4: Right, Oh, what, we'll get to figure out.
Speaker 1: Fuck, we're gonna have to watch it, and we are.
Speaker 4: Gonna have to fucking watch that.
Speaker 3: It is a you know we talking about that or
Speaker 3: the Liam No, I guess you are talking about the
Speaker 3: like movie about the like, yeah, the book, the Jack
Speaker 3: London book, right, mm hmm yeah, yeah, yeah, where it's
Speaker 3: like the eye line of like, was there a guy
Speaker 3: crawling around as a dog? Right?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, I'm pretty sure there was. Yeah, right, so yeah,
Speaker 1: was there somebody with like a hand puppet for crypto
Speaker 1: or yeah?
Speaker 4: It was probably a Sean Gunn.
Speaker 1: And of course every time they said crypto, I kept
Speaker 1: thinking of crypto coin, you know, bitcoin and stuff.
Speaker 4: So the dog, it's the name of the dog.
Speaker 3: How nearing you bring this twenty twenty six prejudices to
Speaker 3: this completely uh complete, completely PC film made in a
Speaker 3: lab somewhere so that no one is offended. That's that
Speaker 3: is probably the other thing about these movies that's just
Speaker 3: like kind of getting a little old is unless the
Speaker 3: movie is fun and entertaining, it all feels very made
Speaker 3: in a lab somewhere by a bunch of committee members,
Speaker 3: And I'm just not interested in those kinds of movies anymore.
Speaker 3: Like I'll watch them because these are the only kinds
Speaker 3: of movies like this, but when they're not good, they
Speaker 3: feel really like eight million people.
Speaker 4: Like I know that there's only.
Speaker 3: Two script writers or three script writers, but feels like
Speaker 3: a team of people made a decision at every step
Speaker 3: to like, how can we this and how can what's
Speaker 3: not a And it's like okay, Like Christ, you're just
Speaker 3: pulling anything and every Like I don't disagree with making
Speaker 3: sure that there are certain kinds of things and movies
Speaker 3: that will trigger people, but like it can go too far,
Speaker 3: and it can get to the point where like we're
Speaker 3: just sacrificing the soul of this movie purely for capitalist gains,
Speaker 3: Because as far as I'm concerned, I look at that
Speaker 3: as a capitalist thing, Like you're you're making sure it
Speaker 3: appeals to and offends the least so that it can
Speaker 3: make the most. And if people don't see that, that's
Speaker 3: what it is, like you're being taken by them, because
Speaker 3: like female Ghostbusters should not have made any money, not
Speaker 3: because it's a bunch of women in that movie, but
Speaker 3: because it's a bad movie that's unfunny like. It's just
Speaker 3: not funny. It is subjectively unfunny like, and objectively it's
Speaker 3: not a great movie. I understand if subjectively my comedy
Speaker 3: and that comedy doesn't mix. So subjectively I can say
Speaker 3: it's unfunny, but it's not a funny movie. It's not
Speaker 3: a well made movie. And that's the same with this movie.
Speaker 3: Just like Captain Marvel, this isn't a well made movie,
Speaker 3: and so it feels like the kind of movie that
Speaker 3: had eighteen people making decisions about it. It's just even
Speaker 3: with Millie Alcock as super you're all killing someone at
Speaker 3: the end of the movie. That is the most interesting
Speaker 3: that that character gets and the entirety of the movie
Speaker 3: is in that scene because we get to see some
Speaker 3: level of something of the character. Everything else just feels
Speaker 3: very dead on arrival, which is so bizarre because this
Speaker 3: is the second movie in this universe and like, Okay,
Speaker 3: you're gonna reboot it again in five years when because
Speaker 3: this movie is not doing well, it's like this movie
Speaker 3: is making buckoo books at the box office.
Speaker 4: It's really I get it.
Speaker 1: I fucking hate this whole thing where it's this weird,
Speaker 1: like still fulfilling prophecy where people are like, oh, women
Speaker 1: led movies just don't make money, so then they hedge
Speaker 1: their bets with all of this stuff and they make
Speaker 1: these bad movies and they're like, see see what I
Speaker 1: tell you, what I tell you, what I tell you
Speaker 1: that women led movies can't do it. And it's like,
Speaker 1: but is this really a woman led movie because you
Speaker 1: keep throwing in all these fucking male characters that are
Speaker 1: just like distracting us from the rest of the narrative.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it is a It is a self fulfilling prophecy.
Speaker 3: Like women Ghostbusters dies on its own petard. But it's
Speaker 3: not because it's women. You had put men in that
Speaker 3: movie with those jokes, it would have still been unfunny.
Speaker 1: Oh god God.
Speaker 3: Again, subjectively, I didn't like the comedy, but I think
Speaker 3: objectively it's also rather unfunny and the gags and the
Speaker 3: repeated gags they go to, And that's the thing, like
Speaker 3: you just said, this movie objectively is not a great movie.
Speaker 3: Like it's just not a well made movie. It just
Speaker 3: kind of rambles all over the place. It's uninteresting, and
Speaker 3: the main character, who is a god effectively has to
Speaker 3: be artificially sidelined over and over again because they don't
Speaker 3: know how to write the character otherwise. That was the
Speaker 3: thing about the Superman movie that was so interesting, is
Speaker 3: Superman felt like a real person. Like he feels like
Speaker 3: a dorky dipshit and man when you see him on
Speaker 3: screen in this movie, he acts that same way. He's like, gosh, golly,
Speaker 3: g I'm from Kansas and like, I know people like that,
Speaker 3: So I believe that version of Superman. I don't know
Speaker 3: what they're going with going for with Millie Alcock Supergirl,
Speaker 3: it's just because we never get a sense of her
Speaker 3: character in this movie, because she's effectively sidelined the whole film.
Speaker 4: Even in her own.
Speaker 3: Flat she sidelined. We see more David Crumholtz in the
Speaker 3: flashbacks than we do of her.
Speaker 1: Interesting choice to have them all speaking Kryptonian in the
Speaker 1: flashback scenes.
Speaker 3: Well, I think it's trying to maybe kind of give
Speaker 3: more ammunition to what happened in Superman, where that's the
Speaker 3: whole part of like Superman thinking that his parents are
Speaker 3: good people. But it turns out they're not is because
Speaker 3: they're speaking Kryptonian not English, So I wonder if they're
Speaker 3: still just trying to like style Bible keep with that
Speaker 3: from the last movie.
Speaker 4: It doesn't do anything.
Speaker 3: It's honestly just kind of like fucking random, Like it's
Speaker 3: just random, like okay that we as, it's we as
Speaker 3: the audience don't care. I guess, I don't know. Yeah,
Speaker 3: Superman and super I mean again, it's it's the whole
Speaker 3: Supergirl speaking Kryptonian when she shows up on Earth, so
Speaker 3: they have to explain that.
Speaker 1: I guess, yeah, yeah, I mean, it just was it
Speaker 1: was a weird choice to do because it's like, Okay,
Speaker 1: they're really leaning into it that this is a different
Speaker 1: language and we are subtype everything, and after a while
Speaker 1: I was just like, wow, oh they are having some
Speaker 1: very long speeches, and I was literally just kind of
Speaker 1: in awe of these actors on Krypton. Just I'm not
Speaker 1: sure what this language was based off of. I mean,
Speaker 1: but because it didn't necessarily sound like it was a
Speaker 1: romance language necessarily, but you know, hey, more power to them.
Speaker 1: You're going to say all this dialogue and you're going
Speaker 1: to say it in a different language that doesn't even exist.
Speaker 3: I applaud them for it, but at the same time,
Speaker 3: it's hard to get really good performances out of actors
Speaker 3: when they're saying effectively nonsense. You know, when you learn
Speaker 3: another language, it's you're learning another language, but you're still
Speaker 3: conveying a message that's understood by people.
Speaker 4: This is fake, you know.
Speaker 3: It's it's surprising when I think about how much they've
Speaker 3: gotten out of Lord of the Rings with you know,
Speaker 3: Quenya and all the like the languages that Tolkien created.
Speaker 3: But that's because Tolkien was a linguist and he knew
Speaker 3: what the fuck he was doing. And Game of Thrones,
Speaker 3: I think, is maybe the closest that it's ever gotten
Speaker 3: other than and this for me is genuinely like the
Speaker 3: thing that nails it other than Lord of the Rings.
Speaker 3: But again, it comes from someone who is singular of
Speaker 3: nature and mind is Klingon in Star Trek like that's
Speaker 3: the real Like that's the real success story of like
Speaker 3: a fake language turned real. And then you have doth
Speaker 3: Racky in Game of Thrones, which also feels very real,
Speaker 3: but that's because the people involved in making it did
Speaker 3: it intentionally. Here, it's just like bullshit gobbledegook. That's hard
Speaker 3: to get good performances out of anyone. And again, the
Speaker 3: last movie knew that, which is why they didn't beat
Speaker 3: us over the head with it. That's why it was
Speaker 3: like part of the narrative, not a stumbling block where
Speaker 3: you have David Crumholtz is being asked to speak a
Speaker 3: fake language and look convincing while doing so, which to
Speaker 3: your point, David Crumbholts is an actor that I've been
Speaker 3: watching since I was a child because he plays Bernard
Speaker 3: in Santa Claus. And one of the lines from that
Speaker 3: movie I say often to my parents and you know,
Speaker 3: check the tag on their clothes.
Speaker 4: Did we make this?
Speaker 3: That's a David Crumbholtz line. I the fact that he's
Speaker 3: in this movie is more or less wasted, which is
Speaker 3: crazy to say on an actor like David Crumbholt, who's
Speaker 3: been in a million bajillion things at this point, but
Speaker 3: just giving him fake lines to say just even he
Speaker 3: can't do anything about.
Speaker 1: It, no, no, And I really like him a lot
Speaker 1: as well, And yeah, kind of watched him grow up
Speaker 1: from when he was just a little kid, and yeah,
Speaker 1: I was super thrilled I got to talk to him
Speaker 1: about a indie movie that he made last year, and
Speaker 1: I was just like, oh my god. Talking to David Crumholtz,
Speaker 1: I was just like I wanted to geek out so hard.
Speaker 1: I wanted to tell him that we watched Serenity every
Speaker 1: single Sunday. So the his hole like killed me mal
Speaker 1: kill me with the sword? How Ward is that? Like
Speaker 1: that whole thing, like pretty much all of his lines
Speaker 1: like I'm you know, save or Batim, And it's like, okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: he's a great, great actor. Really have a lot of
Speaker 1: fun watching him. But yeah, I was like, Okay, I'm
Speaker 1: not able to see him in He's Full because I'm
Speaker 1: not able to hear him speaking English.
Speaker 3: Yeah, whenever I think of him other than him in
Speaker 3: Santa Claus Is Bernard, I always think of him in
Speaker 3: Harold and Kumar go to White Castle, because he is
Speaker 3: he's like he and I forget the other actor because
Speaker 3: I hilariously have never really sat down to sit through
Speaker 3: any of the American Pie movies, but I think he's
Speaker 3: one of the other The other guy who Crumblets is
Speaker 3: with is from American Pie. I believe, like I just
Speaker 3: remember them as kind of the friends of Harold and Kumar.
Speaker 3: But that's like, again, that's one of the many things
Speaker 3: that he I know he's in that I've seen. It's
Speaker 3: just it's a standout. But this is not ever gonna
Speaker 3: be one of them. And I'm disappointed because just having
Speaker 3: him in something as her dad, like those scenes between
Speaker 3: the two of them could have had some emotional resonance,
Speaker 3: and the film more or less robs itself of that genuinely, like,
Speaker 3: oh yeah, I don't know why you're doing that, and
Speaker 3: you mentioned it before and we kind of I kind
Speaker 3: of just glossed over it because I think I responded
Speaker 3: to something else you had said. It grinds the film
Speaker 3: to a fucking holt.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, like this movie night. Oh yeah, And I understand, like, oh, well,
Speaker 1: why is she like this? Okay, well, here you go,
Speaker 1: But it's like.
Speaker 4: We don't know why, to be honest with you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, really, I don't get a whole lot.
Speaker 3: It's like, yeah, I know why she is the way
Speaker 3: she is now because of this movie, but I don't
Speaker 3: understand where she was coming into this movie. And the
Speaker 3: fact that the movie tried to tell me why or
Speaker 3: how she was coming into this movie and fails means
Speaker 3: that I don't see the full arc that they're trying
Speaker 3: to get to. I see about half of it, because
Speaker 3: you're effectively giving me the center point while trying to
Speaker 3: tell me about everything that came before. And you've got
Speaker 3: to nail that, and you've got to have people talking
Speaker 3: in English or at least some dialogue that's a real dialogue,
Speaker 3: because it just people just.
Speaker 4: Going bad bah bah bad bad blah blah bl.
Speaker 3: Br It's like you're really asking these actors to do
Speaker 3: a lot, like and oh, yeah, they're not able to
Speaker 3: not because of them, but because I think you just
Speaker 3: hamstrung them immediately.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, it's I really wanted to like this movie.
Speaker 4: I know.
Speaker 1: I was reading horrible, horrible things people were saying about
Speaker 1: this poor actress, and I was.
Speaker 4: Like, Lilly Alcock, Yeah, she's just.
Speaker 1: All of these people Like I saw this thing on
Speaker 1: Oh I can't remember which one it was. It was
Speaker 1: like basically like she's the the female equivalent of Will Poulter,
Speaker 1: and I was just like, that's pretty harsh, dude, and
Speaker 1: looks wise, like I think Will Polter is not ugly,
Speaker 1: but a lot of people think that he's like just
Speaker 1: been beaten with the uglies.
Speaker 4: Have they seen what Will Polter looks like?
Speaker 3: Now?
Speaker 1: I know, right?
Speaker 4: Are they out of it? Have they seen The Bear?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 3: I know that again, like The Bear's most recent season
Speaker 3: just came out. I haven't watched yet, so maybe this changed.
Speaker 3: But that show had like sexy people in every position,
Speaker 3: including Will Polter, who's like really good looking.
Speaker 4: Now, like, what the fact?
Speaker 3: Man, what are the fucking people's expectations must just be?
Speaker 4: What?
Speaker 1: I don't get it? You know, I'm surprised people aren't
Speaker 1: complaining that her teeth are perfect. You know, it's just like, oh,
Speaker 1: fuck sakes, guys, He's.
Speaker 3: An Australian, for God's sakes, Like, what do people want? Like,
Speaker 3: she's a real human being. She's not a character. She's
Speaker 3: not actually not fictional characters fictional characters.
Speaker 4: There's a real person playing Jesus Christ. People.
Speaker 1: Man, I know, it's disgusting that they were coming for
Speaker 1: her for her looks. And I'm like, she's very attractive, guys,
Speaker 1: and she's a great actress. I was really happy with
Speaker 1: some of her scenes where she was allowed to act.
Speaker 1: She was giving a really good performance.
Speaker 3: I think it's really sad because and you said it,
Speaker 3: like you said, like that like Captain Marvel. This movie
Speaker 3: is light years better than Captain Marvel, but it will
Speaker 3: be compared to Captain Marvel in the same breath because
Speaker 3: it's a like you said, female led superhero movie. But
Speaker 3: similarly to Captain Marvel, that movie had Jude Law in
Speaker 3: it for fuck's sake, Like they didn't trust Bree Larson
Speaker 3: to carry that movie, so they put Jude Law in it.
Speaker 3: Now now I will say that movie's not good. This movie,
Speaker 3: I think is better. This movie just is less focused.
Speaker 3: At least Captain Marvel was focused. It was a failure,
Speaker 3: but it was a focused failure. This is unfocused, and
Speaker 3: I think it being unfocused makes it feel worse than
Speaker 3: it would otherwise. And again, I honestly think, and this
Speaker 3: is me personally, not every fucking movie in this DCU
Speaker 3: needs to have the James gunshit and please don't do
Speaker 3: like that. Was the whole problem with Zack Snyder's grim
Speaker 3: dark fantasy of superheroes being boring and uninteresting was everybody's
Speaker 3: stuff's got a huge to mine, and anything that didn't
Speaker 3: was the most interesting stuff that they did. Like when
Speaker 3: James Wan was like, I'm gonna make kind of a
Speaker 3: horror movie with Aquaman, and it kind of worked in
Speaker 3: that first one. I had no interest in seeing the
Speaker 3: second one because I'm I'm not a masochist, at least
Speaker 3: not to that extent. But it's so such a bummer
Speaker 3: that the first movie after the one that was actually
Speaker 3: a success, because that Superman movie was successful is just
Speaker 3: trying to ape Superman and doing it poorly when it
Speaker 3: should have literally just been its own thing, and juxtaposing
Speaker 3: the dichotomy between the two characters, her being so much
Speaker 3: different than him but they both came from the same planet.
Speaker 3: That was like such an obvious starting point and they
Speaker 3: just missed it by a country mile, Like that should
Speaker 3: have been the starting point. Is she's more like she's
Speaker 3: the reality of the film should have been. She should
Speaker 3: have been the one that Superman's parents should have sent
Speaker 3: to Earth to conquer them, and Superman was the one
Speaker 3: that they sent instead, this dope who ends up being
Speaker 3: a farm boy, and she, if she had gone to Earth,
Speaker 3: she would have been the one to take them over.
Speaker 3: That should have been the starting point for this, because
Speaker 3: that's what they're kind of getting at. I feel like
Speaker 3: they show that, like her parents were more empathetic and
Speaker 3: sympathetic and loving and kind and caring, and you know,
Speaker 3: I don't want to do what my brother is doing
Speaker 3: and sending his son to Earth to conquer them, like
Speaker 3: I don't want to do that. Like you're allowed your
Speaker 3: own destiny. There's moments of that in this movie. But
Speaker 3: they just fucking missed it. They just fucking missed it.
Speaker 3: And it's this movie for me, at the end of
Speaker 3: the year, may be the biggest missed opportunity other than Jackass.
Speaker 3: And it's very funny that we're talking about both of
Speaker 3: these movies effectively in the same week, because they are
Speaker 3: both failures effectively for the same reason. They're just a
Speaker 3: big missed opportunity to do something. This movie had nothing
Speaker 3: to really kowtow too. This is the second movie and
Speaker 3: all this, so the fact that it's like, we gotta
Speaker 3: do the James Gunn thing again probably is the worst
Speaker 3: thing about this movie.
Speaker 1: Honestly, I can't remember whose review I was listening to,
Speaker 1: but somebody was talking about the mister Terrific scene where
Speaker 1: he comes in and just kicks all this ass and
Speaker 1: stuff and it's all set to a song, just like
Speaker 1: a James gun thing would do. And I was like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: they do the exact same thing here, and I was
Speaker 1: just like, no, I don't think they do, because I
Speaker 1: think the mister terrific stuff was done a lot better.
Speaker 3: Like that James Gunn directed movie had that scene, because
Speaker 3: it's a fucking James gun directed movie, Like, right, don't
Speaker 3: do that here because it doesn't need it here. You're
Speaker 3: not James Gunn and I don't. And maybe again, maybe
Speaker 3: this is James Gunn's effect on the script because he
Speaker 3: doesn't have a credit on the script. But come on, like,
Speaker 3: you know, I know if people don't.
Speaker 1: Know, We've all heard those tapes, Karen, we know what
Speaker 1: is going on. None of this Babe in the wood.
Speaker 4: Stuff's right, we know, no taste it. You're fucked bye bye, dickhead.
Speaker 3: Like we know that James Gunn had an effect on
Speaker 3: this script, either directly or indirect. I just I hope
Speaker 3: and pray that it was not him saying do my
Speaker 3: stuff like this, but I worry because he didn't stop.
Speaker 4: Them from doing that either. And that's the problem.
Speaker 3: Is Clayface gonna open with Nearer My God to THEE
Speaker 3: like I don't know, like what the fuck is going
Speaker 3: on anymore?
Speaker 4: Like oh, stop it, It'll.
Speaker 1: Be It'll be Hallelujah by Leonard Cohen.
Speaker 4: Oh, I thought it was gonna be the Buckley version.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, maybe they'll go for the cheap cover version,
Speaker 1: since that's how they end this movie with the cover
Speaker 1: version of a song that is so popular even I
Speaker 1: know it, and I was like, well, what why are
Speaker 1: you doing this?
Speaker 3: Well, because it's women, and they can't have a song
Speaker 3: with men that's sung by men originally in its original form,
Speaker 3: so they had to find the female cover Like it's
Speaker 3: stuff like that where I'm just like, who fucking cares.
Speaker 3: There was an article online where they're like, we went
Speaker 3: through forty nine different songs or some shit to get
Speaker 3: to the most obvious nail on the head song, the
Speaker 3: one that's describing the scene that she's in. Like that's
Speaker 3: too much. It's like subtlety thy name is not Supergirl, clearly,
Speaker 3: Like there's no subtlety here. And I don't understand because
Speaker 3: James Gunn, for all of his problems, is still somewhat
Speaker 3: of a subtle guy, more so subtle than this. Even
Speaker 3: this is suicide Squad. This is David Goyer level shit,
Speaker 3: which is like don't you get it? Er like, I'm
Speaker 3: surprised they didn't have Lobo say, isn't that ripe bub
Speaker 3: because I mean, again, that's what Lobo was more or
Speaker 3: less in response to directly, is he's kind of like.
Speaker 4: Space Wolverine more or less. I mean, if you look
Speaker 4: at his design, it's a wolverine.
Speaker 3: Mo. Yeah, it's like a wolverine helmet painted on this
Speaker 3: guy's face more or west, like with the with the
Speaker 3: kind of the lines around his eyes. I just don't
Speaker 3: I don't understand why we're doing this already, because I
Speaker 3: think that was maybe our concern at the end of
Speaker 3: the Superman podcast year ago, was what if the next
Speaker 3: movie is bad or kind of just like reheated leftovers
Speaker 3: of this movie, And that is what they did. Oh yeah,
Speaker 3: I would assume it's because that movie worked, and so
Speaker 3: they were like, we're just gonna add more of that
Speaker 3: to this because people liked it, right, And it's like,
Speaker 3: I mean, people liked it, but we liked the other things,
Speaker 3: and that it wasn't just that nobody showed up because
Speaker 3: it was a James Gun movie. Like people showed up
Speaker 3: because they want to see a new Superman movie, and
Speaker 3: we're probably glad that it was James Gun making. But
Speaker 3: I don't think anyone's like, it's a James Gun movie.
Speaker 3: I gotta go see it. Like, if that person is you,
Speaker 3: you're probably the most disappointed person going to see this,
Speaker 3: because this really feels like just James Gun set dressing
Speaker 3: with the baarest minimum of a plot, barest.
Speaker 4: Minimum of a plot.
Speaker 3: This is one of those movies too, that has no plot,
Speaker 3: just like plods along fall. The character falls from one
Speaker 3: scene to another and that's it.
Speaker 1: What is the bad guy's plan? Does he have a
Speaker 1: plan or is it just because he's not really trafficking
Speaker 1: these girls they call them the bride. It's because these
Speaker 1: because they saw mad Max. Yes exactly. Because these guys
Speaker 1: are all males and they need to kidnap women and
Speaker 1: rape them in order to propagate their race. I guess,
Speaker 1: like we saw no children, and I don't really know
Speaker 1: what their plan is. I don't know what motivates this
Speaker 1: guy to do what he's doing. And I'm not trying
Speaker 1: to be funny or anything. I just honestly, there's no.
Speaker 3: There's no fucking there's nothing. We get nothing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, And of course I'm tired of the hole.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take over the universe kind of thing. But
Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, there's there's gonna be a little bit
Speaker 1: more here than just I kidnap women and that's it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and that that scene where the family sells her out
Speaker 1: and then they end up like killing the family, but
Speaker 1: then they kill a daughter too. I was just like,
Speaker 1: this is awful, Like this is the point of the
Speaker 1: movie where it's like, can she just fly around the
Speaker 1: planet backwards so that we reverse time, because there's one
Speaker 1: moment where she's I think somebody says it might be
Speaker 1: you know, you can't go back in time or something
Speaker 1: like that. I was like, well, actually, I've seen Superman
Speaker 1: do that before.
Speaker 3: And there's a character called the Flash and there's this
Speaker 3: thing called the Flash Force, and there's all there's a
Speaker 3: whole there's a there's literally a cosmic treadwheel, motherfuckers or treadmill, Like,
Speaker 3: come on, but you can just because you don't know
Speaker 3: about it doesn't mean it doesn't exist in the universe
Speaker 3: of superheroes. So I wanted to mention this to you
Speaker 3: because again, like this, I think this is the best
Speaker 3: version of these kinds of movies. I every time we
Speaker 3: watch one of these movies now, I just wish I
Speaker 3: was watching Furiosa genuine because that's like the best version
Speaker 3: of these kinds of movies, right Like, even though it's.
Speaker 4: Not as good as the movie that it came.
Speaker 3: After, Furiosa, I think is still the best we have
Speaker 3: a female led action movie, and there is a genuine
Speaker 3: female presence and force at the front of that movie
Speaker 3: that you feel from start to finish. And she's not
Speaker 3: a fucking damsel in distress at any point in that
Speaker 3: movie other than when she's like a child. I guess,
Speaker 3: which is the acceptable and understandable part, because that's the
Speaker 3: backstory of the character. No one has been able to
Speaker 3: get close to Furiosa. And that's a contemporary one. I'm
Speaker 3: sure you'll tell me. I'm sure you could rattle off
Speaker 3: plenty of female protagonists as badass films from the nineties, eighties,
Speaker 3: and seventies that I have not seen, But Furiosa is
Speaker 3: the contemporary one that I think of when I watch
Speaker 3: a movie like this that just can't even give us
Speaker 3: a reason as to why the things are happening, And
Speaker 3: Furiosa spent like probably too much time telling us why
Speaker 3: the things happened. Frankly, but by the end of that movie,
Speaker 3: I felt like I went on a journey with the
Speaker 3: director that was well deserved, and this movie like wanted
Speaker 3: me to get on that same level of like this
Speaker 3: characters going on an arc and we want to see
Speaker 3: her accepting her position in the world by the end
Speaker 3: of the movie. And I don't get there with this
Speaker 3: character in this movie at all.
Speaker 1: No, No, I don't like I said, I just I
Speaker 1: wanted this to be better. I wanted to like it.
Speaker 1: There was there were quite a few moments where I
Speaker 1: was just like, how much longer is this film? Because
Speaker 1: I'm really kind of bored and I'm not again trying
Speaker 1: to see.
Speaker 4: Not even two hours.
Speaker 1: I know, I know.
Speaker 3: I'd like to point out this movie's budget was literally
Speaker 3: the same within a couple million dollars more or less
Speaker 3: as Furiosa. Yeah, and this movie has made half as
Speaker 3: much as that one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but that this movie has all kinds of planets
Speaker 1: and stuff. They go all over the place.
Speaker 4: Cool.
Speaker 3: It's about as interesting as a lot of those later
Speaker 3: Star Wars filmed. Here is the city planet, here is
Speaker 3: dirt planet, here is forest planet. Like Okay, I'm sorry,
Speaker 3: but CGI is not impressive anymore. It's just not like
Speaker 3: we are in a post CGI universe now where if
Speaker 3: you can make these things on your own, someone else
Speaker 3: making them is no longer that interesting or exciting or compelling.
Speaker 3: And I think what will always be more interesting and
Speaker 3: compelling to do things in camera practically for real, as
Speaker 3: opposed to CGI, and the fact that CGI is so
Speaker 3: readily available now. I mean, SORA no longer exists. But
Speaker 3: the things you could make in SORA were literally things
Speaker 3: that people make with hundreds of thousands and millions of
Speaker 3: dollars in studios and release them and it looks no
Speaker 3: better and no worse in a lot of ways. If
Speaker 3: that is the case, and you can do that on
Speaker 3: an iPhone app. It takes a lot more than just
Speaker 3: showing us something impressive with CGI to get us excited anymore.
Speaker 3: And the tastes are changing so much with people going
Speaker 3: out to the movies clearly that just having a female
Speaker 3: led superhero movie ain't gonna cut it anymore. I'm not
Speaker 3: sure it ever cut it, but it's not gonna cut
Speaker 3: it now because I worry for the future of the
Speaker 3: DCU with as little money as this movie is making.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, they they probably probably can that stop
Speaker 1: man of tomorrow. That movie's gonna have to be a
Speaker 1: fantastic hit or else this whole thing is on the
Speaker 1: chopping block. And this new DC reboot is going to
Speaker 1: be three movies long, and that's it, well four because
Speaker 1: Clayface comes out, Oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: Clayface comes out in the fall, and there is, for me,
Speaker 3: there is a slight chance that Clayface is, you know,
Speaker 3: a low budget movie that makes up for the loss
Speaker 3: of this movie, because if Clayface has any sort of
Speaker 3: sense of mind, they will attempt to position it as
Speaker 3: a thing that people who saw Obsession and back Rooms
Speaker 3: would go and see, it's that movie in this universe,
Speaker 3: And that would be the smartest thing to do because
Speaker 3: those movies made so much fucking money that the kid
Speaker 3: who made Obsession has like a six to seven figure
Speaker 3: first look deal now and he has even said what
Speaker 3: the fuck he's doing other than I think he's maybe
Speaker 3: doing a Texas chainsaw massacre movie now as his second project,
Speaker 3: Like Jesus goddamn Christ. Like, that's what happens when you
Speaker 3: make money in this industry is they will back up
Speaker 3: a truck to your house. So that's the kind of
Speaker 3: money that Clayface is going to have to make if
Speaker 3: this movie doesn't bail itself out of a hole, and
Speaker 3: I don't know how it can. There's nothing they can
Speaker 3: do at this point. This movie, like you said, the
Speaker 3: reaction online was nowhere near interest or excitement or even
Speaker 3: people wanting to have something interesting to say other than
Speaker 3: Millie Alcock is a bad actress and is ugly, Like wow, great, great,
Speaker 3: So it's gonna have to make a lot of money
Speaker 3: in the fall. I'm I'm gonna go see it because
Speaker 3: it looks interesting, but it also seems like it should
Speaker 3: probably be in that Batman universe that our friend Richard's
Speaker 3: buddy Matt is constructing, because it seems just by the
Speaker 3: trailers I've seen tonally at odds with this movie and
Speaker 3: the last movie especially. But if that's if they can
Speaker 3: work that into it, cool, But they've made it clear
Speaker 3: that Batman's no part of any of this, and if
Speaker 3: Batman's no part of any of this, but clay Face
Speaker 3: is like Batman, what the fuck is going on here? Like,
Speaker 3: I just don't because this movie and the last movie
Speaker 3: are so of a piece. Man of Tomorrow could come
Speaker 3: out be the end of this and you could just
Speaker 3: say well it was a trilogy of movies. But with
Speaker 3: Clayface coming out, it's like again, you know, you're you've
Speaker 3: called your shot. You've done that Dark Universe thing where
Speaker 3: you've said there's all these other movies coming out and
Speaker 3: we're doing all these things, and James Mangold's making a
Speaker 3: swamp thing movie. It's like, maybe just worry about this movie,
Speaker 3: get to the next one, because this is embarrassing when
Speaker 3: it fails.
Speaker 4: It's it's hilariously embarrassing.
Speaker 1: Frankly. It's yeah, it's the Dark Universe, it's the uh,
Speaker 1: it's it's Bush coming out on the front of that
Speaker 1: aircraft carrier with the Mission accomplished sign behind him. You know, like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: we're gonna do all this stuff, or we've done all
Speaker 1: this stuff. You know. It's like you look now at
Speaker 1: the Marvel lineups of the past, you know, where it's like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: we're gonna do this and this. No, no, I'm saying like, oh,
Speaker 1: we're gonna have Armor Wars and we're gonna have this,
Speaker 1: and we're gonna have it. You know. It's like all
Speaker 1: of these things you look at all like the the
Speaker 1: extra scenes from the movies where you're like, are they
Speaker 1: ever going to come back to this? Are we ever
Speaker 1: gonna see Brett Goldstein.
Speaker 3: Thank you for mentioning that my favorite one off is Like,
Speaker 3: as a Ted Lasso fan, I was like, Okay, why
Speaker 3: is he in this?
Speaker 4: We'll never find out?
Speaker 1: Literally yeah, Or here's that horrible computer generated Patton Oswald
Speaker 1: character at the end of the Eternals and stuff with
Speaker 1: the Harry styles. It's like, well, I don't think we're
Speaker 1: gonning to see this one either.
Speaker 3: Remember Blade? Remember how Blade showed by voice at the
Speaker 3: end of the Eternals and there's we're still waiting for that,
Speaker 3: Like yeah, it's There is a page on the MCU
Speaker 3: like wiki. It is seventy two projects long, and some
Speaker 3: of those are probably like duplicate entries, but there's seventy
Speaker 3: two entries on that page. And that's just for like
Speaker 3: some things as characters and some things as literal whole
Speaker 3: shows movies, Like you've said, things that don't go anywhere.
Speaker 3: We could sit and just go fucking back and forth
Speaker 3: playing ping pong with all these ideas and it it
Speaker 3: doesn't ever seem to click with any of them. That like,
Speaker 3: we should maybe not get.
Speaker 4: Ahead of ourselves here, because you just.
Speaker 3: Like focus, because if you focus on what you're doing now,
Speaker 3: it has a better chance of being success than if
Speaker 3: you're worried about what you're going to make in the future.
Speaker 3: Look at the dudes from Game of Thrones. They never
Speaker 3: got to make that Star Wars movie. Josh Trank never
Speaker 3: got to make.
Speaker 4: That of that movie.
Speaker 3: If you fuck up this thing now, the logic of
Speaker 3: you get to do something in the future kind of
Speaker 3: drives up immediately. And I don't understand why people don't realize.
Speaker 3: By the way, the thing the most the most funny
Speaker 3: canceled project for me, by the way of all the
Speaker 3: MCU stuff, will forever and always be Avengers Kang Dynasty just,
Speaker 3: oh god, the funniest one, right, like the thing that
Speaker 3: they literally had a whole movie fucking arm thing, Like
Speaker 3: I guess whatever they call that phase building up to
Speaker 3: another one of these they're just like, guess some ants
Speaker 3: killed him, right, Jonathan Major's everybody, Yeah, it's it's weird
Speaker 3: to call your shot and miss. And I hope that
Speaker 3: this is not one of those. I hope that the
Speaker 3: next movie clay Face is good. I hope that Man
Speaker 3: of Tomorrow is good. But boy, I have so little faith.
Speaker 3: Now two movies in and that is a What was
Speaker 3: the second movie after Iron Man? Was it Captain America
Speaker 3: or Iron Man two?
Speaker 1: Oh? I think Thorbe was right around there as well
Speaker 1: and Captain America.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so it can be done.
Speaker 3: You can escape velocity of middling sequels or entries into
Speaker 3: your franchise.
Speaker 1: I mean, ragnar Rock was fantastic and made that, you know,
Speaker 1: the second one was so terrible.
Speaker 3: I was just talking about the MCU as a whole,
Speaker 3: Like the MCU managed to escape like being drugged down
Speaker 3: by kind of a mediocre Captain America and a mediocre
Speaker 3: thor But those movies still made money. Like that's the thing, ultimately,
Speaker 3: good or bad. To make more, you gotta be making money.
Speaker 3: And this movie so far has made half less than
Speaker 3: half of its budget. And that's bad for a movie
Speaker 3: that costs almost two hundred million dollars.
Speaker 4: That's bad.
Speaker 3: And I'm yeah, because we always we always end these
Speaker 3: kind of like franchisey podcasts talking about like where do
Speaker 3: we think this is going? Genuinely, if they don't figure
Speaker 3: out what the fuck they're doing with these next two movies,
Speaker 3: it's going nowhere, and that they will not do the
Speaker 3: DCEU again, Mark my words, they won't go Warner Brothers
Speaker 3: will will more than likely sell DC before they do
Speaker 3: that shit again and go eight or twelve or however
Speaker 3: many movies in it was before. They're just like we're
Speaker 3: gonna reboot it again. Like they're not gonna do that again.
Speaker 3: They'll cut it off at like three or four movies.
Speaker 3: And I don't blame them. Yeah, disappointing new movies, Mike,
Speaker 3: Why are we going to see new movies? What are
Speaker 3: we doing here? What are we doing to ourselves?
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, when's it gonna stop? When
Speaker 1: are we gonna go see a good movie this year?
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 3: Have we seen one Mortal Combat two grow goom?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I mean it's closed. Nay, no, No, they've been
Speaker 1: kind of fair to middling with the even the good
Speaker 1: good quote unquote good ones.
Speaker 3: I mean I saw Back Rooms. We didn't talk about that,
Speaker 3: you and I, but that was pretty good. Uh, that
Speaker 3: was yeah, that's it. I saw The Mummy that was okay,
Speaker 3: but it was pretty much as Evil Dead, but it
Speaker 3: was at least interesting and something different and not I
Speaker 3: mean different as much as it could be. Yeah, I
Speaker 3: don't know why we haven't seen anything good. Was the
Speaker 3: last good thing we saw together Superman.
Speaker 4: A year ago?
Speaker 3: It might be can't be that, Oh god, yike, Well,
Speaker 3: we're gonna talk about Spider Man. I think that's the
Speaker 3: next like superhero thing we're gonna do in the future.
Speaker 3: For anyone who's interested in our coverage of those kinds
Speaker 3: of things, that's probably the next superhero thing we cover.
Speaker 3: So it'll be a complete pivot away from this. It'll
Speaker 3: be an mcu thing and remains to be seen if
Speaker 3: it's going to be good. But until then, you can
Speaker 3: find Mike and I talking podcasts, both our own podcasts,
Speaker 3: on other people's podcasts, but mostly our own, at weirdingwaymedia
Speaker 3: dot com, where this show and so many other shows
Speaker 3: can be found, like Mike's podcast, The Projection Booth, my podcast,
Speaker 3: The Culture Cast, and Susan Lambert Adams podcast Eighties TV Ladies.
Speaker 3: You can find all those at Weirdingwaymedia dot com. If
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Speaker 3: dot com, slash Projection Booth and patreon dot com slash Culturecast,
Speaker 3: or where you can go and get financially involved with
Speaker 3: our shows. You get things for giving us money. That's
Speaker 3: how it should work.
Speaker 4: So there you go.
Speaker 3: If you don't want to do anything financial like rate
Speaker 3: and review the show on iTunes, Spotify, and if you're
Speaker 3: on YouTube, this is a podcast, please remind yourself that
Speaker 3: people are allowed to talk about things about seeing the video.
Speaker 4: It's cold radio. It's existed for a long time. Mike.
Speaker 3: I guess I would say thank you, but I don't
Speaker 3: know whose idea this was. Maybe it was mine, could
Speaker 3: have been yours.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I knew I was going to see these movies.
Speaker 4: So might as well talk about them, right, might as well?
Speaker 1: Yeah, what's our next one? I don't know, Okay.
Speaker 3: God, God help us whatever it is, because at this
Speaker 3: point we're like, oh for five this year, so maybe
Speaker 3: it won't be oh for six.
Speaker 4: Who knows.
Speaker 3: I guess we just have to find out on the
Speaker 3: next episode.