WEBVTT 1 00:00:04.639 --> 00:00:05.960 Weary way. 2 00:00:45.679 --> 00:00:50.719 The brigands brought destruction. Do you remember corner of the Universe? 3 00:00:53.640 --> 00:00:56.119 The galaxy must be defended. 4 00:00:59.079 --> 00:01:13.200 I heard you for mem Form in adaced Supergirl fly 5 00:01:13.239 --> 00:01:14.560 in theaters June twenty six. 6 00:01:14.799 --> 00:01:17.799 Hello everyone, and welcome to the Culture Cast crossing over 7 00:01:17.840 --> 00:01:20.359 with the Projection Booth and the Projection Booth crossing over 8 00:01:20.400 --> 00:01:22.120 with the Culture Cast. I am the host of the 9 00:01:22.120 --> 00:01:25.359 Culture Cast, Christashu, and I'm joined by my good friend 10 00:01:25.439 --> 00:01:28.560 all the way from the dying planet of Krypton. He's 11 00:01:28.640 --> 00:01:33.840 come to save our souls. It's Superman boy child himself, 12 00:01:34.079 --> 00:01:35.959 the host of the Projection Booth, Mike White. 13 00:01:36.079 --> 00:01:40.120 I want to say dits, but it's gonna sound like tits. 14 00:01:41.040 --> 00:01:42.120 Oh my, Uh. 15 00:01:42.239 --> 00:01:43.959 If you clicked on this episode, you know what we're 16 00:01:44.000 --> 00:01:46.560 talking about. We're talking about the sequel to last year's 17 00:01:46.599 --> 00:01:50.400 Superman film, Supergirl. That's what it's called. If you need 18 00:01:50.439 --> 00:01:52.599 any more explanation as to what it is, you haven't 19 00:01:52.599 --> 00:01:55.400 seen the advertising for this film, neither of I because 20 00:01:55.400 --> 00:01:57.640 they didn't really advertise it, or they sort of did. 21 00:01:57.719 --> 00:01:59.599 I don't know. I really couldn't tell you. 22 00:01:59.640 --> 00:02:01.799 I knew nothing about it going into it, but Mike 23 00:02:01.840 --> 00:02:04.000 and I are gonna be talking about this year's most 24 00:02:04.040 --> 00:02:09.800 recent DC you DCE EU film, Supergirl. So film is 25 00:02:09.800 --> 00:02:12.879 directed by Craig Gillespie, written by Anna Noguera, and it 26 00:02:13.000 --> 00:02:16.319 stars Milly Alcock reprising her role as Supergirl from the 27 00:02:16.439 --> 00:02:20.400 end of Superman. It also stars the overwhelmingly I guess 28 00:02:21.400 --> 00:02:25.080 Belgian actor Matthias showIn Arts, which is just the most 29 00:02:25.120 --> 00:02:28.800 Belgian named you can think of. Eve Ridley, David Crumbholtz, 30 00:02:29.039 --> 00:02:33.599 Emily Beacham, David Corninsweat comes back as Superman, Jason Momoa 31 00:02:33.639 --> 00:02:36.360 as Lobo, and I shit you not because I guess 32 00:02:36.400 --> 00:02:40.360 he was just not busy. Seth Rogen as an alien. Yeah, yeah, 33 00:02:40.719 --> 00:02:43.919 literally couldn't. It's like Martin Scorsese as an alien. I 34 00:02:43.919 --> 00:02:48.000 guess he just wanted sagminimum. The film follows Supergirl as 35 00:02:48.000 --> 00:02:52.439 she celebrates her twenty third birthday and tries to save 36 00:02:52.759 --> 00:02:57.360 a girl's sword who she meets in a bar while 37 00:02:57.439 --> 00:03:00.120 going on a pub crawl on a planet that has 38 00:03:00.000 --> 00:03:03.080 a red sun. We will be spoiling the film, obviously, 39 00:03:03.159 --> 00:03:04.919 because that's the kind of people we are, So this 40 00:03:05.000 --> 00:03:07.800 is a warning ahead of time. So before we spoil it, Mike, 41 00:03:07.960 --> 00:03:10.520 should people be spending their hard earned cash to go 42 00:03:10.639 --> 00:03:14.319 see's Supergirl. Uh in a word, No, the review was 43 00:03:14.400 --> 00:03:16.520 two words shit sandwich. 44 00:03:16.719 --> 00:03:17.520 I can't say that. 45 00:03:19.159 --> 00:03:22.039 So do you think that Seth Rogan was jealous of 46 00:03:22.159 --> 00:03:24.680 Kamal Nan Johnny because he did the voice of that 47 00:03:24.759 --> 00:03:28.919 little cute alien in Men in Black International? And Seth 48 00:03:29.000 --> 00:03:31.439 Rogan gets the little cute alien for this one? 49 00:03:31.759 --> 00:03:34.560 Was Seth Rogan not the voice of Babu Frickin' Star Wars? 50 00:03:34.800 --> 00:03:36.240 Oh, I'm just kidding. 51 00:03:36.280 --> 00:03:38.319 I would It's gonna be funny than for anyone to 52 00:03:38.360 --> 00:03:40.319 think that that's the case. I'm just putting a fake 53 00:03:40.360 --> 00:03:42.759 piece of information into the Internet. Maybe someone don't put 54 00:03:42.800 --> 00:03:43.560 it on IMDb. 55 00:03:43.960 --> 00:03:44.400 I don't know. 56 00:03:44.520 --> 00:03:46.360 This is the second time he's played a space alien. 57 00:03:46.479 --> 00:03:48.280 I don't know why Seth Rogan is in this movie. 58 00:03:48.479 --> 00:03:49.319 Fucking bizarre. 59 00:03:49.919 --> 00:03:52.319 Yeah, and it took me a while. I mean, he 60 00:03:52.439 --> 00:03:56.960 might be the best character in the movie. Uh, I mean, 61 00:03:57.000 --> 00:04:00.360 it's this is a strange, strange film, right, It's like 62 00:04:00.560 --> 00:04:03.120 it's kind of a Western, like a Western in space. 63 00:04:03.680 --> 00:04:07.560 And I mean we really have seen this so many 64 00:04:07.599 --> 00:04:11.039 times where it's it's basically it's like it's true grit, right, 65 00:04:11.280 --> 00:04:14.159 It's like she goes on a quest to hire a 66 00:04:14.240 --> 00:04:18.319 killer to take care of her revenge and or track 67 00:04:18.439 --> 00:04:22.240 down the bad guy, and you've got the reluctant hero 68 00:04:22.439 --> 00:04:26.000 that has to help out but doesn't want to, and 69 00:04:26.040 --> 00:04:30.399 then hilarity ensues. At least I've always wanted. So when 70 00:04:30.439 --> 00:04:32.959 I was a kid growing up, I had no idea 71 00:04:33.199 --> 00:04:37.120 that Superman was solar powered, like I had heard, Oh yeah, 72 00:04:37.160 --> 00:04:39.879 he needs the power of the yellow sun in order 73 00:04:39.959 --> 00:04:42.759 to make him powerful, like Krypton had a red son. 74 00:04:42.839 --> 00:04:45.519 We've got a yellow son, so now he's powerful. And 75 00:04:45.519 --> 00:04:47.600 then I was reading a I think it was a 76 00:04:47.600 --> 00:04:52.240 screenplay for one of the rejected versions of Superman five 77 00:04:52.360 --> 00:04:57.399 aka Superman Lives the whole Death of Superman storyline, And 78 00:04:57.639 --> 00:05:00.639 in one of those there was some he had like 79 00:05:00.680 --> 00:05:03.600 a it was very mister Burns, like mister Burns had 80 00:05:03.600 --> 00:05:05.800 like a big thing, and he was charging people for 81 00:05:05.959 --> 00:05:09.360 sunlight right he was blocking off the sun from Springfield. 82 00:05:09.639 --> 00:05:12.040 Might have been the first movie, I can't remember, but 83 00:05:12.519 --> 00:05:16.480 in the Superman movie, Lex Luthor was basically doing the 84 00:05:16.519 --> 00:05:20.160 same thing or brainiac, I don't know, and Superman was 85 00:05:20.240 --> 00:05:23.439 running out of gas basically, and he was powerless without 86 00:05:23.519 --> 00:05:25.839 any sun, And I was like, you, I'll be fucking 87 00:05:25.920 --> 00:05:30.439 kidding me, Like he's literally solar powered. Like I knew 88 00:05:30.439 --> 00:05:33.439 that the yellow sun helped power him up and everything, 89 00:05:33.480 --> 00:05:36.279 but I didn't know that it was like what happens 90 00:05:36.279 --> 00:05:40.120 that nighttime? I mean, he is the thing that Republicans 91 00:05:40.160 --> 00:05:42.759 always talk about when they're talking about how solar energy 92 00:05:42.800 --> 00:05:45.399 will never work. What happens when the sun goes down? 93 00:05:45.480 --> 00:05:48.040 What happens on cloudy days? I mean, if it gets 94 00:05:48.120 --> 00:05:51.639 really overcast in Metropolis, does he start to feel a 95 00:05:51.639 --> 00:05:53.800 little LOGI Does he have to like run and get 96 00:05:53.839 --> 00:05:54.720 a coffee or something? 97 00:05:55.040 --> 00:05:57.399 I don't know because I am not that big of 98 00:05:57.439 --> 00:06:00.600 a Superman guy myself. So the fact that so much 99 00:06:00.600 --> 00:06:04.360 of this movie hinged on that was not a surprise 100 00:06:04.439 --> 00:06:06.040 to me, but just like one of those things where 101 00:06:06.079 --> 00:06:08.399 I was like, man, we're really We talked about it 102 00:06:08.639 --> 00:06:11.040 with the Lord of the Rings, showed the podcast of 103 00:06:11.079 --> 00:06:13.399 Power that we do together that's coming out later this year, 104 00:06:13.879 --> 00:06:17.000 when we're readdressing the second season that show before the 105 00:06:17.000 --> 00:06:20.199 third season comes out, and it's like they took one 106 00:06:20.360 --> 00:06:22.439 thing from Superman and just blew it up in this 107 00:06:22.480 --> 00:06:24.920 movie into the entire thing, and it's like oh the 108 00:06:25.000 --> 00:06:27.759 Sun and the Green Sun and the Yellow Son. It's like, okay, 109 00:06:27.839 --> 00:06:31.480 like I again, yeah, yeah, like again. I know that 110 00:06:31.480 --> 00:06:34.680 that is a thing in the Superman comics. However, that 111 00:06:35.000 --> 00:06:38.800 doesn't mean that I want the entire movie to hinge 112 00:06:38.839 --> 00:06:41.079 on that. And like you said, if they're never going 113 00:06:41.120 --> 00:06:44.040 to actually address it, why do it so much? Why 114 00:06:44.079 --> 00:06:45.920 have so much of this movie hinge on it? But 115 00:06:46.319 --> 00:06:48.680 I don't know the rules because I'm honestly not that 116 00:06:48.720 --> 00:06:51.639 big of a Superman guy. Admittedly, we went and saw 117 00:06:51.680 --> 00:06:54.279 this movie, which means the movie should maybe explain it 118 00:06:54.319 --> 00:06:57.360 a little bit more than they did, but you know, yeah, 119 00:06:57.399 --> 00:06:59.240 say the movie should have explained a lot of things 120 00:06:59.279 --> 00:07:03.199 like why is this just super girly super Girl of 121 00:07:03.240 --> 00:07:06.519 the Guardians of the Galaxy, like but the like the 122 00:07:06.800 --> 00:07:10.160 like the low rent version, Like this just feels really 123 00:07:10.639 --> 00:07:13.639 it's either that or it's super Girl in grogu, you. 124 00:07:13.519 --> 00:07:14.079 Know what I mean. 125 00:07:14.199 --> 00:07:16.839 Like it just feels like the Mandalorian, Like we saw 126 00:07:16.879 --> 00:07:19.600 this movie last month, and it was better a month ago. 127 00:07:19.680 --> 00:07:23.040 And that movie wasn't that great either, but at least 128 00:07:23.040 --> 00:07:25.720 it had Jeremy Allen White as Rad of the Hut. Like, 129 00:07:25.879 --> 00:07:30.000 you know, this movie has as an alien, like, which 130 00:07:30.959 --> 00:07:34.519 fucking for whatever goddamn fucking reason you tell me, because 131 00:07:34.600 --> 00:07:37.079 I'm so confused as to what his inclusion in this 132 00:07:37.120 --> 00:07:38.839 movie is other than just random. 133 00:07:38.959 --> 00:07:40.920 I don't understand that. 134 00:07:41.040 --> 00:07:43.720 Really bother you, because, like I, it's just it even 135 00:07:43.800 --> 00:07:45.480 registered that it was him. 136 00:07:45.680 --> 00:07:47.040 It's so distracting. 137 00:07:47.279 --> 00:07:50.480 Wow, okay, because I'm just like, at one point, at 138 00:07:50.480 --> 00:07:52.720 one point, I was like, that kind of sounds like 139 00:07:52.759 --> 00:07:56.839 Seth Brogan, and then I completely forgot. So yeah, it's like, 140 00:07:56.879 --> 00:07:59.199 all right, yeah it didn't didn't bug me, but okay, 141 00:07:59.600 --> 00:08:00.079 but you can. 142 00:08:00.120 --> 00:08:03.839 See how it would bug someone who recognizes Seth Rogan's voice. 143 00:08:03.920 --> 00:08:05.920 It takes me out of the scene completely. I'm just like, 144 00:08:06.120 --> 00:08:09.800 and again, it's a cameo. It is a glorified cameo, which, 145 00:08:10.000 --> 00:08:14.319 again fine, But if this movie had done anything more 146 00:08:14.360 --> 00:08:16.879 than it does, which is very little, it probably wouldn't 147 00:08:16.879 --> 00:08:19.720 have been that distraction. Distracting. But this movie, like you said, 148 00:08:19.800 --> 00:08:22.839 is kind of a Western, but also kind of Guardians 149 00:08:22.839 --> 00:08:27.040 of the Galaxy adjacent and also nothing like the Superman 150 00:08:27.160 --> 00:08:29.759 movie in terms of tone. It's like, this exists in 151 00:08:29.800 --> 00:08:32.720 a universe that's already been established that we're not privied 152 00:08:32.840 --> 00:08:35.200 that doesn't have anything to do with Superman, and I 153 00:08:35.240 --> 00:08:38.720 appreciate that that may be entirely the point of this film, 154 00:08:38.840 --> 00:08:41.519 but I get that astinct feeling Supergirl ain't gonna be 155 00:08:41.519 --> 00:08:44.120 coming back here anytime soon. It sure doesn't fuck it 156 00:08:44.159 --> 00:08:45.840 seem like it by the end of the movie either. 157 00:08:46.120 --> 00:08:48.120 So it almost feels like everything that happened in this 158 00:08:48.159 --> 00:08:52.679 movie is completely pointless. Like genuinely, I can't imagine what 159 00:08:52.799 --> 00:08:55.799 point they're going to return to in any future films. 160 00:08:55.879 --> 00:08:58.919 Maybe the character of Ruth will come back, but that's 161 00:08:58.960 --> 00:09:00.759 about it, and only about it. 162 00:09:00.799 --> 00:09:03.759 I hope she doesn't. I hope she doesn't. Ruth is 163 00:09:03.799 --> 00:09:06.360 so lame. And that's the thing is like, Okay, let's 164 00:09:06.399 --> 00:09:09.399 get into brass tacks. Supergirl is supposed to be the 165 00:09:09.480 --> 00:09:12.960 hero of this film. She's supposed to be our main character. Yeah, 166 00:09:13.000 --> 00:09:18.679 she is constantly getting rescued, be it by Ruth, Lobo, 167 00:09:19.159 --> 00:09:23.360 possibly even Superman through some of the memories that she has, 168 00:09:23.440 --> 00:09:25.840 some of the stuff that is going on with her 169 00:09:26.000 --> 00:09:29.120 recalling this stuff. She doesn't feel like she's the hero 170 00:09:29.279 --> 00:09:33.320 of her own movie, and it feels like she's sidelined 171 00:09:33.759 --> 00:09:39.039 so many times. She is on a planet where there's 172 00:09:39.080 --> 00:09:44.279 no yellow sun. She's drunk, she's poisoned, just all of 173 00:09:44.279 --> 00:09:48.080 these things. She's taken it out by green sun. And 174 00:09:48.120 --> 00:09:51.279 that was always the thing sidebar, that was always the 175 00:09:51.279 --> 00:09:54.240 thing about Superman that couldn't fucking stand. Like when I 176 00:09:54.360 --> 00:09:57.440 was either reading the comics, which I barely did, but 177 00:09:57.480 --> 00:09:59.080 I read a lot of comics. I did a lot 178 00:09:59.080 --> 00:10:03.159 of research for the I wrote an essay about the 179 00:10:03.200 --> 00:10:05.919 death of Superman lives kind of thing. I call it 180 00:10:05.960 --> 00:10:08.360 Superman Grounded. If you want to read that, you can 181 00:10:08.399 --> 00:10:11.799 read it in the Cashiers the Cinema book, which is 182 00:10:11.840 --> 00:10:14.799 called Impossibly Funky. So I did a lot of research 183 00:10:14.840 --> 00:10:18.120 on Superman. The thing I couldn't stand was this whole Well, 184 00:10:18.440 --> 00:10:23.080 green kryptonite can kill him, red kryptonite, does this gold kryptonite? 185 00:10:23.080 --> 00:10:26.080 Does that blue kryptonite? And it's just like, what are 186 00:10:26.120 --> 00:10:29.759 you doing? Like, oh, there's and I'm gonna say this wrong, Nerd, 187 00:10:29.840 --> 00:10:32.559 so be prepared. Oh my god, Lex Luthor has this 188 00:10:32.639 --> 00:10:35.919 blue kryptonite. Now Superman is old. It's like, what the 189 00:10:36.000 --> 00:10:38.519 fuck are you doing? So they're like, oh, she's on 190 00:10:38.639 --> 00:10:41.960 a planet with a green sun. I'm like and like, okay, 191 00:10:42.039 --> 00:10:46.840 I guess this kills her because kryptonite is also green. 192 00:10:47.399 --> 00:10:50.279 All right, but anyway, do you know about pink kryptonite? 193 00:10:50.320 --> 00:10:51.720 Mike Zimkey gay? 194 00:10:52.120 --> 00:10:53.320 Yes, okay, all. 195 00:10:53.240 --> 00:10:56.559 Right, So it was a joke in the two thousand 196 00:10:56.600 --> 00:11:01.000 and three Supergirl comic that they made a pink kryptonite 197 00:11:01.000 --> 00:11:04.000 that I think made Jimmy Olsen like slightly more effeminate 198 00:11:04.919 --> 00:11:07.440 as a gag on exactly what you're talking where it's 199 00:11:07.480 --> 00:11:09.799 like the fact that there were like a rainbow of 200 00:11:09.840 --> 00:11:13.440 kryptonites now like including the pink one, which makes you gay, 201 00:11:13.600 --> 00:11:15.399 Like it's a real thing in the comic, but it 202 00:11:15.480 --> 00:11:18.919 was obviously like it's like Deadpool, right, it's like part 203 00:11:19.000 --> 00:11:22.320 of the mythology of the world, but it's absurdist in 204 00:11:22.360 --> 00:11:26.080 its own, like you know, execution. But yeah, there's pink kryptonite. 205 00:11:26.120 --> 00:11:28.200 It actually makes you gay, or at least the characters 206 00:11:28.279 --> 00:11:29.120 in the comic book. 207 00:11:29.279 --> 00:11:33.399 Okay, great, Yeah, but yeah, she just she doesn't seem 208 00:11:33.399 --> 00:11:35.799 to have a whole lot of agency in this movie, 209 00:11:36.000 --> 00:11:40.399 and even the way that it's told when it comes 210 00:11:40.440 --> 00:11:44.440 to the flashbacks of her and the I guess this 211 00:11:44.559 --> 00:11:47.960 must have been before Bramiac shrinks the city, doesn't he 212 00:11:48.039 --> 00:11:50.799 do that shrinks the city of Argo and transports it 213 00:11:50.840 --> 00:11:53.399 to Earth or something. So all these little people, little 214 00:11:53.960 --> 00:11:57.679 Cryptonians in there. Anyway, I know, I'm getting way past 215 00:11:57.720 --> 00:12:00.559 the lore, but like the way that that story told, 216 00:12:01.039 --> 00:12:03.639 we're kind of going, we've got some momentum, and then 217 00:12:03.639 --> 00:12:07.000 we just hit the brakes and then boom, here we are. 218 00:12:07.360 --> 00:12:11.320 Now we've got the backstory, We've got David Crumholtz even 219 00:12:11.480 --> 00:12:14.639 that it's like you see her meeting Crypto once and 220 00:12:14.679 --> 00:12:17.200 then you see the why she met him and all 221 00:12:17.240 --> 00:12:20.039 this kind of stuff. You sideline Crypto through this whole 222 00:12:20.080 --> 00:12:20.639 thing as. 223 00:12:20.519 --> 00:12:22.799 Well whole movie, which. 224 00:12:22.639 --> 00:12:26.080 Was totally understandable. I know a lot of people are like, oh, yeah, 225 00:12:26.080 --> 00:12:28.120 he was the best character, and there I didn't care 226 00:12:28.159 --> 00:12:30.559 for Crypto. I was just like, man, take control of 227 00:12:30.600 --> 00:12:33.080 your dog. Like I can't stand dogs that are just 228 00:12:33.240 --> 00:12:36.039 that wild. It's like, no, no, you better call him down, boy. 229 00:12:36.919 --> 00:12:38.559 But this is too much of a correction. 230 00:12:39.120 --> 00:12:42.519 But at the same time, I mean, this is totally 231 00:12:42.559 --> 00:12:45.679 a James Gun property, and I'm just like, all right, 232 00:12:45.759 --> 00:12:48.159 I just saw this and Guardians of the Galaxy three, 233 00:12:48.639 --> 00:12:54.240 we sidelined Rocket through the whole fucking thing, and then 234 00:12:54.240 --> 00:12:57.279 we do tell like flashbacks of Rocket growing up, and 235 00:12:57.320 --> 00:13:00.279 I was like, okay, so you just replaced the the 236 00:12:59.519 --> 00:13:03.679 the main character in the flashbacks with her instead of 237 00:13:03.720 --> 00:13:06.480 with Rocket or instead of with Crypto. So I'm just 238 00:13:06.519 --> 00:13:08.840 like you just this is like a Greatest Hits kind 239 00:13:08.879 --> 00:13:10.240 of thing. Like I was just like, this is so 240 00:13:10.480 --> 00:13:13.440 by the numbers, even the way that they're shooting the 241 00:13:13.480 --> 00:13:17.200 fight scenes. I'm like, Okay, I've seen this before, man, Like, 242 00:13:17.720 --> 00:13:20.919 this is not showing me anything new. And then you 243 00:13:21.000 --> 00:13:26.039 have the whole question of how violent is Supergirl versus Superman. 244 00:13:26.159 --> 00:13:28.960 You know, we had this whole thing back with like 245 00:13:29.200 --> 00:13:31.639 Man of Steel, where it was him just you know, 246 00:13:31.720 --> 00:13:35.399 breaking necks and stuff and destroying property like crazy. She 247 00:13:35.639 --> 00:13:39.600 has no problem just killing people like mad in this movie, 248 00:13:39.600 --> 00:13:43.039 and especially that they changed the end of the comic 249 00:13:43.080 --> 00:13:45.919 that this was based on, and rather than showing mercy 250 00:13:46.080 --> 00:13:48.519 and like sending this guy to the you know, the 251 00:13:48.559 --> 00:13:52.519 Forbidden Zone or whatever, it is, that she fucking gangst 252 00:13:52.519 --> 00:13:55.440 the bad guy at the end. Sorry spoilers, but it's like, 253 00:13:55.519 --> 00:13:57.759 what the fuck? Man, Like, You're supposed to be one 254 00:13:57.840 --> 00:14:00.000 of the good guys and you just cold blooded murder 255 00:14:00.159 --> 00:14:03.120 this guy And it feels like, sorry, Chris, I'm on 256 00:14:03.159 --> 00:14:06.639 a rant. It feels like she is doing that because 257 00:14:06.679 --> 00:14:09.840 the girl is pure. And I will say it's not 258 00:14:10.039 --> 00:14:12.759 just pure as far as her heart. I think this 259 00:14:12.840 --> 00:14:17.000 whole thing because of the bad guys being sex traffickers. 260 00:14:17.200 --> 00:14:20.200 It's basically like protecting her virginity. And it feels like 261 00:14:20.240 --> 00:14:23.039 the whole thing is like, well, Supergirl's already sullied, but 262 00:14:23.360 --> 00:14:26.080 this girl's pure. All these other girls are pure. They 263 00:14:26.120 --> 00:14:29.120 even had fucking little kids in the Guardians of the 264 00:14:29.159 --> 00:14:32.240 Galaxy three. It's like, for Fox's sake, man, just pick 265 00:14:32.240 --> 00:14:33.879 a new movie, pick a new script. 266 00:14:34.240 --> 00:14:38.200 I think what's ultimately really disheartening. Before I talk about 267 00:14:38.200 --> 00:14:40.039 what you talked about. I want to mention this because 268 00:14:40.039 --> 00:14:44.320 I'm gonna forget eitherwise. Anna Noguera is writing not only 269 00:14:44.679 --> 00:14:48.919 this film. She's also writing the script for the upcoming 270 00:14:49.159 --> 00:14:54.360 Wonder Woman film and an untitled Teen Titans film. Please no, 271 00:14:54.799 --> 00:14:59.440 Please there. This is a script issue, not a film like, 272 00:14:59.519 --> 00:15:03.240 not a film maker issue. And I actually personally have 273 00:15:03.360 --> 00:15:06.440 no issue with Supergirl killing people. And I will tell 274 00:15:06.480 --> 00:15:09.759 you why, because ultimately, she's not an important enough character 275 00:15:09.799 --> 00:15:11.360 for this to be some sort of thing where it's 276 00:15:11.399 --> 00:15:15.159 like breaking the entire law of the universe Superman. Okay, 277 00:15:15.440 --> 00:15:20.720 Supergirl has a clearly different way of handling things and 278 00:15:20.759 --> 00:15:22.759 a different way of going about things, and I think 279 00:15:22.799 --> 00:15:25.600 it's smart to have a character like her in this 280 00:15:25.799 --> 00:15:30.039 universe that is diametrically opposed to the way Superman does things, 281 00:15:30.159 --> 00:15:33.759 but not a villain per se. She's I guess James 282 00:15:33.799 --> 00:15:36.200 Gunn says she's more of an anti hero in this movie. 283 00:15:36.320 --> 00:15:37.799 I guess she's an anti hero because. 284 00:15:37.639 --> 00:15:38.320 She kills people. 285 00:15:38.399 --> 00:15:41.759 That's about it, which is that's killing people does not 286 00:15:41.799 --> 00:15:44.519 an anti hero make there are other things that go 287 00:15:44.639 --> 00:15:46.679 with that, you, I mean, I would say maybe you 288 00:15:46.679 --> 00:15:49.919 would agree Han Solo bit of an anti hero only 289 00:15:49.960 --> 00:15:52.080 really ever had to kill one person to prove it, 290 00:15:52.320 --> 00:15:56.399 that's it, and even then like retroactively trying to change 291 00:15:56.440 --> 00:15:59.080 the way that that hits because apparently he can't kill 292 00:15:59.120 --> 00:16:00.440 someone who has a fucking gun. 293 00:16:00.240 --> 00:16:01.080 On him to begin with. 294 00:16:01.240 --> 00:16:03.679 Like, I guess we all apply to the United States 295 00:16:03.799 --> 00:16:06.600 law of rules in space now too, And that's the thing. 296 00:16:06.639 --> 00:16:09.120 Like I don't mind Supergirl killing the villain at the 297 00:16:09.200 --> 00:16:11.559 end of this movie. I do understand and agree with 298 00:16:11.600 --> 00:16:14.600 you in juxtaposition with the man of steel of it all, 299 00:16:14.960 --> 00:16:18.480 it seems a little weird, but I think here it's 300 00:16:18.519 --> 00:16:21.480 because it's not Superman doing it. It's a character that's 301 00:16:21.519 --> 00:16:25.360 like a tertiary superhero in that universe. If Batman doesn't 302 00:16:25.360 --> 00:16:28.559 want to kill people, fine, but that doesn't mean Redhood won't. 303 00:16:28.799 --> 00:16:30.919 And Redhood is part of kind of in the good 304 00:16:31.000 --> 00:16:33.679 version of Redhood. He's kind of part of Batman's cadre 305 00:16:33.799 --> 00:16:36.440 of like younger people that he works with, but Redhood 306 00:16:36.519 --> 00:16:40.759 uses guns like straight up dead ass pistols. I look, 307 00:16:40.879 --> 00:16:42.279 if this is the direction they want to go a 308 00:16:42.320 --> 00:16:45.840 Supergirl and have her be Redhood adjacent in terms of 309 00:16:45.879 --> 00:16:48.279 the way she conducts herself, fine, you know, it's one 310 00:16:48.279 --> 00:16:51.519 of those things where there's no universe where the character 311 00:16:51.720 --> 00:16:54.919 of Krem of the Yellow Hills, because they say his 312 00:16:55.039 --> 00:16:57.879 name that way a million times in the movie. There's 313 00:16:57.919 --> 00:17:00.639 no universe where if that guy was left unch, he 314 00:17:00.679 --> 00:17:03.159 would not continue to do what he's doing. But I 315 00:17:03.159 --> 00:17:07.319 don't there's enough of them child trafficking, child trafficking. There's 316 00:17:07.359 --> 00:17:08.880 just not enough of him in the movie to make 317 00:17:08.920 --> 00:17:09.559 him a villain. 318 00:17:09.880 --> 00:17:10.839 That's my problem. 319 00:17:10.880 --> 00:17:12.720 There's not enough of him in the movie as a 320 00:17:13.160 --> 00:17:16.160 despicable villain for us to buy the end of the 321 00:17:16.160 --> 00:17:18.680 movie get on board with her killing him. I don't 322 00:17:18.680 --> 00:17:22.400 see an issue with it from a future storytelling, planting 323 00:17:22.440 --> 00:17:25.039 and payoff standpoint from but from a did they earn 324 00:17:25.079 --> 00:17:27.519 it in this movie? No, because he's not a villain 325 00:17:27.640 --> 00:17:30.440 enough to warrant her going out of her ways, possibly 326 00:17:30.920 --> 00:17:34.319 her morality going further than her morality would to kill him, 327 00:17:34.319 --> 00:17:36.119 because that was always the thing in Man of Steel, right, 328 00:17:36.480 --> 00:17:39.839 Zod was never gonna stop unless Superman fucking killed him. 329 00:17:40.000 --> 00:17:43.079 And I would even say in Man of Steel they 330 00:17:43.200 --> 00:17:45.839 earned that. It's not great, but at least it's like 331 00:17:45.880 --> 00:17:48.759 they're destroying the whole goddamn city, so they kind of 332 00:17:48.799 --> 00:17:50.839 earn him needing to be killed because like, he's never 333 00:17:50.839 --> 00:17:55.319 gonna stop here, Like this guy is a fucking pissant trafficker. Like, 334 00:17:55.400 --> 00:17:57.200 is she gonna go and kill every single one of 335 00:17:57.240 --> 00:17:59.920 these assholes in the universe that they live in. No, 336 00:18:00.359 --> 00:18:03.240 So it's just that's the problem. It needed to the 337 00:18:03.319 --> 00:18:06.880 stakes here needed to be higher because otherwise, like you said, 338 00:18:06.920 --> 00:18:08.880 like it rings a little hollow that she's just so 339 00:18:09.079 --> 00:18:10.680 willing to kill him at the end. 340 00:18:10.920 --> 00:18:15.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah, this villain is not very villainous. I 341 00:18:15.000 --> 00:18:18.039 mean again, he request is to find him, and then 342 00:18:18.200 --> 00:18:22.839 occasionally she does and Lobo's there, and Lobo isn't interested 343 00:18:22.880 --> 00:18:25.279 in him. He's interested in another guy. He's interested in 344 00:18:25.319 --> 00:18:28.240 basically Taser face adjacent. 345 00:18:27.799 --> 00:18:30.400 Guy, right, the second in command here? 346 00:18:30.599 --> 00:18:33.640 Yeah? Who we never I mean other than like a name, 347 00:18:33.759 --> 00:18:37.559 And I thought, and I'm not a Lobo guy. I 348 00:18:37.720 --> 00:18:41.880 never really came across Lobo at all. So I thought 349 00:18:41.920 --> 00:18:46.599 that he was talking about a person named Bastitch. I 350 00:18:46.640 --> 00:18:48.880 didn't know that that was his swear word. And then 351 00:18:49.319 --> 00:18:51.720 after he said bastach a couple of times, I was like, 352 00:18:52.119 --> 00:18:55.200 is he making a Johnny Dangerously reference? 353 00:18:55.519 --> 00:18:59.559 He is literally just like Deadpool but in the DC universe, right, 354 00:18:59.640 --> 00:19:01.519 Like that is that the feeling you got from the 355 00:19:01.519 --> 00:19:03.640 way the character is being used in the movie. Maybe 356 00:19:03.680 --> 00:19:06.759 not like the fourth wall breaking, but just like the too. 357 00:19:06.640 --> 00:19:07.920 Cool for school thing. 358 00:19:08.400 --> 00:19:12.319 Uh, I'm not a Lobo guy like a lot of 359 00:19:12.359 --> 00:19:15.400 the DC stuff. There's like blind spots all over the place. 360 00:19:15.640 --> 00:19:18.720 He's a mercenary and a bounty hunter from you know. 361 00:19:18.799 --> 00:19:19.200 That's it. 362 00:19:19.279 --> 00:19:21.079 Like that's all I knew going into the movie. 363 00:19:21.200 --> 00:19:23.079 Jason Moo was fine. 364 00:19:23.079 --> 00:19:26.000 It's just weird to have Jason Momoa after we just 365 00:19:26.039 --> 00:19:28.799 saw him as dude bro Aquamant and as. 366 00:19:28.680 --> 00:19:31.039 Well, right now he's just dude bro bounty hunter. 367 00:19:31.599 --> 00:19:35.319 Yeah, And I'm like, what you guys are okay with this? 368 00:19:35.519 --> 00:19:36.079 You're all right? 369 00:19:36.440 --> 00:19:37.920 Three years ago by. 370 00:19:37.880 --> 00:19:41.319 The way, No, it's crazy, right, Yeah, And like he 371 00:19:41.480 --> 00:19:45.599 basically closed out the DCEU and now he's back at this. 372 00:19:45.720 --> 00:19:48.920 I'm like, that's weird, Like, why would you do that? 373 00:19:49.480 --> 00:19:52.839 Money lots of Yeah. And he also he liked I 374 00:19:52.880 --> 00:19:56.799 think he petitioned to be the character of Lobo, specifically Momoa. 375 00:19:56.400 --> 00:19:57.200 Did, Oh he did? 376 00:19:57.359 --> 00:19:57.559 Yes? 377 00:19:57.720 --> 00:20:00.559 Yeah, which is I mean, look like he has the look, 378 00:20:00.599 --> 00:20:03.720 he has the personality. Let me ask you thought question, 379 00:20:03.839 --> 00:20:05.759 like our dear friend Richard likes to do. Would it 380 00:20:05.759 --> 00:20:07.279 have been that big of a deal if he hadn't 381 00:20:07.279 --> 00:20:11.119 been Aquaman? Right, Let's pretend there's a universe where Aquaman 382 00:20:11.240 --> 00:20:14.519 never existed, because effectively we're being asked to do that anyways, Now, 383 00:20:15.400 --> 00:20:16.799 would it be that big of a deal if he's 384 00:20:16.839 --> 00:20:19.279 just playing Lobo? Now for the first time, Momoa is 385 00:20:19.279 --> 00:20:22.599 getting involved in a superhero property and it's Lobo. 386 00:20:22.880 --> 00:20:26.119 No, I would have no problem with that, right though 387 00:20:26.559 --> 00:20:28.480 they needed to use the character better. 388 00:20:28.480 --> 00:20:31.319 Right, that's the That's more kind of my point, Like 389 00:20:31.720 --> 00:20:35.240 it's a problem obviously in our reality, because Momoa has 390 00:20:35.319 --> 00:20:39.279 played this fucking character before, literally in the movies that 391 00:20:39.319 --> 00:20:42.519 were these that these movies are rebooting. But that doesn't 392 00:20:42.519 --> 00:20:44.759 mean he's not good. It's just he's given fuck all 393 00:20:44.799 --> 00:20:47.559 to do. And then he disappears in the climax in 394 00:20:47.599 --> 00:20:49.119 a way that I was like, Oh, he's coming back, 395 00:20:49.160 --> 00:20:51.599 and then he doesn't come back, and I'm like, what 396 00:20:51.640 --> 00:20:54.480 the fuck? This is that time where he shows back 397 00:20:54.559 --> 00:20:58.039 up and no Supergirl shows back up and doesn't manage 398 00:20:58.039 --> 00:21:01.359 to turn the villain in to a puddle of goo 399 00:21:01.920 --> 00:21:04.599 when she drags him going one hundred miles an hour 400 00:21:04.640 --> 00:21:09.559 through the air along the ground, which I don't fucking 401 00:21:09.720 --> 00:21:12.519