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Speaker 2: Here every week every Sunday Morning with you. And I

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had mentioned well, first of all, if you were tuning

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in last week, I was live on the beaches from

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canekuon Mexico. So those of you that might be able

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to see me because where we record these you might

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notice the tan. That's because of being in canekuon Mexico,

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where it was fantastic, it was great, had a great time.

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And so during the week mark Winter, our producer here

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at pet Life Radio sent me an email. Photoed me

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an email. And this is kind of interesting because this

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happens a little more often than we would like. It's

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sort of like like when the doctors or the person

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who has epilepsy, all of a sudden years later they're

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pets diagnosed with epilepsy. It's so bizarre. So anyway, this

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is from doctor Bob. He's a dentist in San Pedro

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and he has an eleven and a half year old

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malamute husky mix diagnosed with an intra oral melanoma and

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they took out this two centimeter mass and he's very

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active in eating. Well, can you help me? He gave

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me a number. I'm going to give him a call

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as well, but just for some information. First of all,

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how bizarre is it it is a dentist's dog who

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ends up with an oral problem. I think that's kismet,

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that's fate, whatever. But unfortunately, oral melanomas are very aggressive,

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and I'm sure he was told that. However, if it

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has not yet invaded the bone, they are fairly decently

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responsive to radiation therapy, and I would definitely recommend a

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consultation with a radiation oncologist, that is a board certified

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oncologist who is specialized in radiation oncology. Interestingly, oncology as

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a specialty goes through internal medicine and radiation oncology goes

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through radiation. So when you have an oncologist that is

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double boarded, meaning in oncology and radiation oncology, that's two

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separate residencies, it's I mean, that's pretty high power. And

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I know a couple that have done it and are

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double boarded. I also know a number of really really

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good radiation oncologists that can deal with this. Now, if

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in fact this tumor had invaded the bone, certainly radiation

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is still a way to go, but depending on the

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location of the mass, what portion of the bone is affected. Interestingly,

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some amazingly radical procedures can be done to remove the

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affected bone and actually rebuild de mandible the jaw. It's

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fascinating what these guys can do. You know, Veterinary dentistry

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is now a of course, also a board certified specialty.

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only a board shortified veterinary surgeon, he was actually doing

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his surgical residency at UC Davis when I was there

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in VET school, but he then went on to get

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his certification in dentistry. So here's a guy who is

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a board sertified surgeon. He's like a MAXI low facial

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oral surgeon. I mean, that's that's pretty pretty high qualification,

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very intense straining, and this is the guy that loves

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Speaker 3: So for doctor Bob, I will give you a call.

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Speaker 2: You can also send me an email to Dr Jeff

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com at Doctorgeff dot com, and I will put you

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in touch with these radiation on colleges. You know, one

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always get questions, obviously every day, and what I like

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to do is share with you some of the topics

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that seem to come up more often, more frequent, because

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my feeling is if I'm seeing them on a somewhat

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regular basis in my practice, then I'm sure many of

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our listeners are seeing or asking these same questions and having.

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Speaker 3: These issues with their pets.

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Speaker 2: So if you don't have the nerve of the curves

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to pick up the phone and call it to eight

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the very least you can listen in and learn from

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the experiences that I have acquired through my practice, and

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one of them, and again this seems to cycle on

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a regular basis.

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Speaker 3: It's diet.

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Speaker 2: And I don't mean diet because seventy five percent of

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castle dogs in this country robs. Now, maybe not seventy five,

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maybe fifty five. That in of itself is a huge problem.

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But I'm talking about where do I feed my pet.

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There are so many choices. You go to a pet

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store and now what's the buzz. The buzz is raw diets.

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I mean, after all, in the wild, our dogs and

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cat's ancestors eat raw meat, So why shouldn't we feed

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them raw meat? And I can give you a number

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of answers, not that if it's the right raw diet,

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a diet that has gone through some process to destroy

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the pathologic bacteria like salmonella and certain E. Coli, which

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could be deadly by the way, but is in a

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sense pasteurized purified raw meat.

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Speaker 3: I have no problem with that, assuming the following, Assuming.

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Speaker 2: Number one, that your pet likes it. I don't care

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how great of food it is on paper. If your

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pet doesn't eat it, it's not so great. Talk to

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any mom who knows that there is benefit to Brussels sprouts.

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and you wonder how good to Brussels spouts if the

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kid's not going to eat them. Well, it's no different

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with our pets. We have to make sure that whatever

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it is, whatever the best is And I always use

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that term loosely because what is the best really is

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there only if you ask me, for example, what's the

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best ice cream? Has ten people? What's the best ice cream?

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some pretty good ice creams. I'm an ice cream aholic. However, However,

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some of the flavors of one of the brands are

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better than another brand. I mean, I might have an

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overall favorite as far as a brand, but trust me,

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there are some individual flavors that some of the other

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companies have that I really like. So the bottom line

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just because your neighbor or your best friend's pet loves it,

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that your pet's gonna love it. So even if it's

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on paper phenomenal food and the healthiest, it's got everything

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your pet's gonna need for its life and the next

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Speaker 3: If they're not.

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Speaker 2: Eating it, it's worthless. So number one, they gotta like it.

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Speaker 2: Of course, if you switch food too rapidly, then there

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will be some bowel issues. Fortunately they are transient, but

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Speaker 3: Some soft stool for a while.

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Speaker 2: Therefore, we always recommend a very very gradual switch from

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one food to the next. So they got to have

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Speaker 3: They have to like it.

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Speaker 2: Thirdly, a nice shiny coat. I have had story after

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story of a client switching from a food that the

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pet was doing just fine on to something else because

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the seventeen year old high school senior at the local

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pet shop told him that this is the best food

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and therefore you need to switch. Certainly, it's amazing how

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many experts are out there. I don't even consider myself

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an expert, and I have the DVM degree, and yet

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these high schoolers that work at these big pet stores,

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they are all of a sudden telling you what the

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best is. I kind of chuckle when I hear those stories.

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of energy, are they roaring to go? So the major

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for criteria now, assuming of course, that your pet doesn't

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have an underlying pre existing medical condition where your veterinarian

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has advised or recommended specific diets for that problem, be

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it liver, be it heart disease, be it kidney failure.

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is going to clearly recommend or advise a certain diet.

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purposes of this discussion, we are talking about your basic, healthy,

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you just want to feed him.

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Speaker 3: A good food. So do they like it?

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of energy. If the food meets those criteria, which, by

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the way, you're going to find a zillion ones that do,

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then there's no need to go out and convince yourself

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of the best, whether it's preservatives, whether it's raw, whether

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it's the byproducts that you read about. So I'll give

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you some hints, and look, let's face it, many of

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us are on budgets. And don't feel guilty if you

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think you want to feed or switch diets to one

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of these fancy in vogue foods right now with the

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fancy names, but they're very expensive, and if you can't

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afford that, then don't pressure yourself because there are many

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foods out there that don't have that price tag that

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could be equally as beneficial for your pet. So what

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check with the veterinarian. You want to look for what's

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called the a FC certification. That is the aaf CEO,

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the Association of American Feed Control Officials. There are two

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types of certifications that given by AFCO. One is via

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ingredient and the other one is food trials. Typically, we

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way to go only because not only are the additive

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the food. Not only are they in the food, but

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actually absorbable and usable, and the only way to determine

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that is to actually feed it to animals and test.

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Animal Welfare Acts, how appropriate is it to have these animals.

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typically it's the beagle and a laboratory to keep these

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and keeping them in these cages or these runs, or

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whatever the situation might be. So there are a number

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of companies that refuse to do the feeding trials for

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that purpose, or will modify a feeding trial and use

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dogs that are in a shelter, which they're in there anyway, and.

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Speaker 3: Test that way. I have less problem with that.

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Speaker 2: But if you have aft GO through feeding trials, depending

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on how you feel politically, that's telling us that not

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only did the ingredients and the nutrients meet or exceed

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Speaker 3: The aft GO, but actually they work.

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Speaker 2: They were put to the test through feeding trials. And

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there are many main In fact, interestingly, because of budgetary

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constraints as well as possibly political views, a lot of

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these new found fancy foods that the pet stores are

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trying to entice you to buy don't have the feeding

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trial certifications. Why because haven't done it, they can't afford it.

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that's an issue. So anyway, we are halfway through our

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I want to hear back when we come back. I

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Speaker 2: And welcome back to here with doctor Jeff on at

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Life Radio. And how funny is it that coming out

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of break first commercial, a pet Smarts commercial about foods,

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talking about the hundreds of different varieties they have, So

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that kind of tells you right there, try to pick

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the best out of hundreds?

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Speaker 3: Not so easy.

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Speaker 2: If you got three choices, you can pick the best,

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that's pretty easy. But out of hundreds and mentioning names

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that I hate to say it here today.

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Speaker 2: Some of these food companies come and go, and therefore

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I still recommend extreme caution, as they say, proceed with caution.

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Speaker 3: When it comes to making these buying decisions.

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Speaker 2: Which brings me to the point I wanted to make

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is that because there are some standards from the industry,

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the af go because for a number of reasons, be

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it budgetary or philosophical, some companies don't want to do

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feeding trials. There are still equivalent options, equal options at

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the supermarket levels as well. And I don't want you

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to think that you are doing a disservice to your

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pet if you can't afford forty dollars or fifty dollars

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per bag of food, because many can't. But there are

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some name brands that have jumped ship according to the industry,

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according to the pet specialty, those are the big fancy

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pet stores and have decided to go what we call

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OTC over the counter, meaning at the grocery level or

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mass it's called. There are a lot of good foods

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at the mass level, and don't be embarrassed, don't feel

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doing your pets of disservice if you read the label.

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They have AFCO certification, they have had feeding trials, and

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they are really good foods. So the bottom line is

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the criteria you want to use is not based on

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advice from a salesperson at a pet store advice, by

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the way, which is going to change week two week,

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depending on the specials.

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Speaker 3: And the deals that they are getting.

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Speaker 2: From the manufacturer. So you want to talk to your veterinarian,

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if you wanted to talk to a nutritionist. You want

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to make sure that there are no underlying conditions problems

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that might affect the choices that you might make, such

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as as I mentioned, allergy, heart disease, liver disease, kidney disease,

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things like that. And if your pet's doing fine on

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what they're eating, don't change. If at eight pro, don't

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fix it. But if you're having issues, if the food

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is unavailable, if they're kind of leaving in their dish,

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you want to try some new stuff, no problem. Talk

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to your vet, look at AFCO certification labels, look at

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your budget, and come up with some choices.

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Speaker 3: And if you're going to feed, you.

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Speaker 2: Can start gradually, do gradual introductions, gradual switches, and that

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hopefully can help you and solve your problem. As I said,

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let me know what you're feeding your pets, give us

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a call, let's talk about it. At eight seven seven

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can just kind of let us know what you're feeding

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and does your pet like it.

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Speaker 3: Cats.

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Speaker 2: Let's talk about cats for a second. We can't forget

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about our cats. I know, listening to Arden and Arden's

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guests just before this show, you know cats are big.

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More cats in the US than dogs, more cats in

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the warberhousehold than dogs.

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Speaker 3: I have eight of those. I only have five dogs,

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and they are a bit more finicky.

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Speaker 2: Interestingly, but therefore, people tend to offer cats variety more

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than dogs. As we know, we talked about it just

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a few minutes ago that when you give too much

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variety to a dog, they may end up getting some

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soft stool. Their gastrointestinal tracks do not appreciate the variety

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as much as the dog's taste buds might appreciate the variety,

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so one must be careful. Likewise, Likewise, cats tend to

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thrive on variety. They get bored much more quickly, fortunately,

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especially if you try to stick within the same brand

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of diet. They can handle from a stool perspective, they

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can handle the variety fairly well. Now, what's also interesting

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about cats the gamut. The recommendations have come and gone.

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least I am, based on the advice of some of

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my colleagues specialists in the field in nutrition and one

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particularly in diabetes feline diabetes. Feline diabetes typically is a

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type two equivalent. That means it is not something like

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juvenile diabetes, like the diabetes at dogs. Yet that just

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happen to the pancreas, to the islet cells. Those are

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the islet of langerhand cells. But actually it's a type

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two diabetes. It's the diabetes that is affected by diet,

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by obesity, by carb load.

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Speaker 3: And one thing we know.

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Speaker 2: About cats as opposed to dogs is cats are obligate.

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Cats need protein. They need good solid meat sources of

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protein and that includes fish. They don't do well on

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vegetable sources of protein. They need carnivorous food. A dog, however,

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is an omnivore. Cats are carnivores. So therefore one of

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the problems one of the reasons why we see obesity

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in cats, which we do and way more type two

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diabetes than we would like is because of the carbs

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that we're feeding our cats. We are feeding them a lot,

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possibly too much dry food. How many of us make

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out all day, let them munch when they get hungry.

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Speaker 3: They can walk by the bowl. It's not going to spoil.

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It's dry.

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Speaker 2: So however, what I do is I feed meal time

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for my cats, and I don't feed meal time is

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a meaty canned food, and they love it. They go

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to their bowls, they wolfit down. Clearly, with eight cats,

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it's very strategic. How I have to sit there and

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make sure that you know Cats six is not stealing

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Cat three's food kind of thing. They do have names,

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but for each of the show, I'm going to number them.

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So these are the things that we have to watch for.

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And then what I do is I will once they're

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all done, they've had a really good breakfast and a

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really good dinner, I will put some dry food in

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their bowl. So those that are still hungry, but it's

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not their primary source of nutrition. Their primary source of

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nutrition are.

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Speaker 3: The good meat diets. So again, cats like variety.

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Speaker 2: You can get away with a little bit more, but

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try to stick with the same brand if possible. So

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if you're looking for branded cat food and they have,

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you know, half a dozen different flavors, get all half

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a dozen and test them, see what they like, see

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how they do, and that's the that's going to be

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an answer. And I would, you know, definitely recommend that

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if you are still having issues and your veterinarian may not.

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And just I'll be really honest. They are a lot

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of veterinarians out there. Myself included that nutrition was not

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one of the major sections that we took in ved school.

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Of course it was discussed. Of course we're primed. Of

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course most of the veterinary food companies, in fact most

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of the companies in general have a staff of veterinarians.

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Speaker 3: But for the.

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Speaker 2: Average GP, we probably aren't as well versed in that

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as we are how to treat that diabetic cat or

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how to do that surgery, or how to clean those

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ears or treat the skin. So you can look for

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on the advice of your veterinarian a what we call

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a board certified veterinary nutritionists. These are veterinarians that have

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gone to veterinary school for their DVMS and then did

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a residency in nutrition and become boarded board certified by

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the ACVN, the American College of Veterinary Nutrition. And they're

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the ones that can help you. They're the ones that

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can give you suggestions. They based on many factors such

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as the condition of your pet. There likes their needs

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and at least point to you in the right direction.

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And that includes a life stage issues as well. As

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we know little growing puppies need more than the older puppy,

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which need more than the adult dog, which needs less.

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Speaker 3: Once they're spade and utered.

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Speaker 2: In fact, a statistic that I just you know, mind

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blow initially, but if you figure out formulas of caloric need,

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a say two or three year old labrador might need

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forty percent less food if they're spade or neutered versus

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the same labrador that is not spader neutered.

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Speaker 3: That's amazing.

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Speaker 2: So these are the reasons why obesee the e centa

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problem in this country because nutritionally we do not make

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the necessary ajustments that we should to keep our pets

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healthy and lean.

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Speaker 3: So there you have it.

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Speaker 2: I want to thank you for joining me here on

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