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<v Speaker 1>A twenty nine at fifty five KCD talk station. Love

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<v Speaker 1>this time of the week because it's when we do

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<v Speaker 1>the Daniel Davis Deep Dive with our friend, retired Lieutenant

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<v Speaker 1>Colonel Daniel Davis, talking about well, of course war Russian

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<v Speaker 1>Ukraine the subject matter again today. Welcome back, my friend.

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<v Speaker 1>It's always a pleasure having you on my show.

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<v Speaker 2>It's always a pleasure to be here, Brian, thanks for

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<v Speaker 2>having me back.

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<v Speaker 1>Happy to do it looks like you got a change

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<v Speaker 1>of venue there. I have a video conference call going

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<v Speaker 1>on with Daniel Davis. Every week we do this and

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<v Speaker 1>you have a different environment now we do.

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<v Speaker 3>We're kind of upgrading our studio here a little bit.

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<v Speaker 3>There'll be some changes even probably next week too. All right, Well,

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<v Speaker 3>so just trying to make you better for the viewer.

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<v Speaker 2>Fantastic.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll encourage my listeners to get your podcast Deep Dive

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<v Speaker 1>or Daniel Davis Deep Dive. You can find it wherever

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<v Speaker 1>you get your podcasts. Well, Daniel, what is going on

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<v Speaker 1>in Ukraine right now? I see NATO is chimed in

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<v Speaker 1>talking about maybe peace talks. We gotten to the point

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<v Speaker 1>where they're gonna be talking peace. Some North Korean soldiers

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<v Speaker 1>or troops got captured by the Ukrainians the other day,

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<v Speaker 1>and I still can't figure out the whole idea about

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<v Speaker 1>North Korea being involved, except, as you've noted before, because

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<v Speaker 1>they're there to get some genuine fighting experience, which I

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<v Speaker 1>suppose is something people need to have if they're going

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<v Speaker 1>to plan on getting into a war with South Korea.

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<v Speaker 1>But where are we at this stage of the game.

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<v Speaker 3>Listen, I'm more optimistic now that this thing can come

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<v Speaker 3>to an end that I've been in quite a long time,

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<v Speaker 3>and that's based on comments by both the Russian side

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<v Speaker 3>as recently as earlier today, as well as some of

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<v Speaker 3>the official statements from some of the incoming Trump administration officials,

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<v Speaker 3>because I think everybody is zeroed in on that this

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<v Speaker 3>war has to come to an end. Lavrov this morning

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<v Speaker 3>actually said the Foreign Minister for Russia said that he

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<v Speaker 3>was encouraged by some of the comments coming from the

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<v Speaker 3>Trump team that they're eager to talk to him on

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<v Speaker 3>an official basis after the twentieth of January, and they

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<v Speaker 3>said they're encouraged by the fact that the Trump team

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<v Speaker 3>is talking about realities on the ground, which is the

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<v Speaker 3>term that the Russian side has been used and said

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<v Speaker 3>that without a common understanding of what the reality is,

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<v Speaker 3>that it's impossible to make a deal. And it looks

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<v Speaker 3>like they're starting to coalesce around that. Trump, for his part,

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<v Speaker 3>has said he just wants the war and the killing

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<v Speaker 3>to come to a stop. And applaud him for that,

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<v Speaker 3>because I think that's exactly what we need. That's got

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<v Speaker 3>to be your first focus. Then you can worry about

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<v Speaker 3>the details after that. But listen, I just got to

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<v Speaker 3>make sure everybody understands the deal is not going to

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<v Speaker 3>be good from the Ukraine side, but it's going to

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<v Speaker 3>probably be the best it can be attained here because

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<v Speaker 3>if a deal isn't resolved and found, then Russia will

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<v Speaker 3>simply keep fighting until they went on the battlefield and

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<v Speaker 3>more Ukrainians.

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<v Speaker 1>Will die, right, And that seems to be the most

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<v Speaker 1>likely scenario absinte deal.

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<v Speaker 2>But is it possible?

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm just throwing this out that a deal and

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<v Speaker 1>you're optimistic more so than ever you have been for

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<v Speaker 1>a while. Anyway, the new Trump administration and the idea

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<v Speaker 1>that it would foster and encourage a deal is because

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<v Speaker 1>it's going to have far less of an appetite to

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<v Speaker 1>continue funding billions of dollars to arm the Ukrainians.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, that's a huge part.

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<v Speaker 3>Of it, without question, that's something that many I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, Vice President elect Advance said in an April

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<v Speaker 3>of twenty twenty four op ed in The New York Times,

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<v Speaker 3>he said, look that the numbers just don't add up.

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<v Speaker 3>He said, this doesn't make any sense to continue shoveling

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<v Speaker 3>billions and billions of dollars into an empty hole that

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<v Speaker 3>can't succeed and banned. Was he ever proven right because

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<v Speaker 3>he was talking about at the time, this sixty one

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<v Speaker 3>billion dollars that the administration, current administration said was going

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<v Speaker 3>to change the course of the war. And it's really

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<v Speaker 3>ironic when you look at the tracking how much territory

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<v Speaker 3>the Russians gained through that year once that money became

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<v Speaker 3>every month rose after that, meaning it got worse. So

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<v Speaker 3>Trump is very focused on just I mean, he's a

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<v Speaker 3>businessman at heart, right, So he's you know, pros and

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<v Speaker 3>cons the profit and lost balance sheet, and he sees

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<v Speaker 3>this is not good, this is not helpful. And then

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<v Speaker 3>you add in the human cost to that, and it

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<v Speaker 3>doesn't make any sense at all to keep going down

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<v Speaker 3>a path that can't win, and instead he's like, we

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<v Speaker 3>need to get this thing off the table. Cut cut

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<v Speaker 3>the losses, not just of our losses, but the Ukrainian

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<v Speaker 3>physical losses as soon as possible, so that rebuilding and

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<v Speaker 3>recovery can start. That's so important for the Ukraine side,

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<v Speaker 3>it really is, and it's important for you know, the

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<v Speaker 3>globe as well. I mean, we kind of look the

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<v Speaker 3>fact that Ukraine was previously described as you know, the

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<v Speaker 3>bread basket of the whole region. It fed and provided

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<v Speaker 3>you know, food for multiple countries, not just Ukrainians. And

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<v Speaker 3>of course maybe it would go a long way to

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<v Speaker 3>solve the ongoing and self inflicted wound that is the

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<v Speaker 3>energy problem their experience in the European Union. And Brian,

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<v Speaker 3>let me just point out something on that point there.

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<v Speaker 3>It's really important and hardly anybody thinks about this. They

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<v Speaker 3>will later in the future, but right now they it's

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<v Speaker 3>not on the radar. If the Biden administration had taken

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<v Speaker 3>the advice of then Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of

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<v Speaker 3>Staff Martin Millie in November twenty twenty two, it said

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<v Speaker 3>because of the successes that the Ukraine had had then

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<v Speaker 3>that that was the perfect time to negotiate from a

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<v Speaker 3>position of strength. Then the Russians were at their weakest.

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<v Speaker 3>They would never be weaker than they were at that time.

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<v Speaker 3>He said, they could have gotten a good deal, but

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<v Speaker 3>the Biden administration and Zelenski said no, we're going to

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<v Speaker 3>keep fighting. As a result of that, they did the

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<v Speaker 3>twenty twenty three offensive, which literally destroyed that bread basket

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<v Speaker 3>and now it's sowed with millions of minds that are

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<v Speaker 3>going to take probably decades to undo, and it's going

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<v Speaker 3>to be a long time before that bread basket starts

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<v Speaker 3>producing them to the level it did.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know that is so heartbreaking. Those land mines

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<v Speaker 1>and anti personnel minds. I just it seems to be

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<v Speaker 1>some sort of Geneva Convention violation when it comes to

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<v Speaker 1>those things. And I mean, hell, they're still blowing up

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<v Speaker 1>in Vietnam from the conflict, right, So what do you

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<v Speaker 1>And we've talked about this before, and I think my

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<v Speaker 1>listeners are well aware the Russians have controlled the Crimea

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<v Speaker 1>and Russian supporting, Russian leaning, Russian aligning population, so they're

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<v Speaker 1>not unhappy necessarily be under Russian control, assuming and I

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<v Speaker 1>think the way our discussion is going here, we're talking

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<v Speaker 1>about Ukraine having to give up more land as a

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<v Speaker 1>mechanism to resolve the conflict. Are there areas like Crimea

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<v Speaker 1>that we would be talking about or they would be

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<v Speaker 1>negotiating with where the people would be more inclined and

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<v Speaker 1>more desirous of living under a Russian rule than the

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<v Speaker 1>Ukrainian rule or.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, the demographics are really important in terms of where

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<v Speaker 3>these lines are and what the Russians are even seeking,

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<v Speaker 3>because they are only seeking areas where it's predominantly ethnic

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<v Speaker 3>Russians or Russian leaning people in the Ukraine side, But

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<v Speaker 3>the crime In side, if I'm not mistaken, it was

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<v Speaker 3>somewhere around ninety five percent Russians are ethnic Russians going back,

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<v Speaker 3>so that one was like the easiest one. The other

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<v Speaker 3>ones they're talking about now, you know, Zaparija, Kirson, Luhans, Donetsk,

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<v Speaker 3>those are a majority of ethnic Russians, but not to

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<v Speaker 3>the extent as before. So whatever these lines get drawn,

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<v Speaker 3>there will be more percentage of people on the Ukraine

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<v Speaker 3>side that don't want to live under Russian control. And

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<v Speaker 3>that's going to be a part of the negotiations too,

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<v Speaker 3>because they've got to be able to migrate over to

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<v Speaker 2>Well as the ones that remain.

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<v Speaker 1>And I keep thinking along the lines of, well, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>if the if the Chinese Communist Party came in and

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<v Speaker 1>took over my neighborhood, I might be inclined to, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>wage my own individual guerrilla war or independent war against

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<v Speaker 1>those forces, because I don't believe in that philosophy. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't want to be controlled by the Chinese Communist Party.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you do you see any of that sort of

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<v Speaker 1>militarization of the remaining Ukrainians if the Russians do take

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<v Speaker 1>over other areas.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I have no doubts that there are those already

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<v Speaker 3>actively planning on doing that sort of thing and whatever

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<v Speaker 3>ends up in the Russian side, because I think that

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<v Speaker 3>they have the exactly the mentality you're talking about, that

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<v Speaker 3>they just will never be satisfied living under those conditions

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<v Speaker 3>and they'll just do whatever they can just to you know,

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<v Speaker 3>inflict a pain and a cost on the Russians as

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<v Speaker 3>far as they can see. I mean, there's no end

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<v Speaker 3>date on that. It can go a long time. And

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<v Speaker 3>you may recall that before the invasion, the initial invasion

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<v Speaker 3>in February twenty two, there was a lot of talk that, hey,

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<v Speaker 3>the Ukraine side can't win a conventional war against Russia,

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<v Speaker 3>so they're already planning with CIA help. Back then, by

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<v Speaker 3>the way, it was publicly reported that they're trying to

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<v Speaker 3>help them foment and start these you know, these kinds

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<v Speaker 3>of gorilla activities inside there that got shelved when they thought, oh,

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<v Speaker 3>wait a minute, we actually did good on the battlefield.

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<v Speaker 3>I doubt very seriously that there will be any doubt

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<v Speaker 3>that a lot of people on that side. Whether the

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<v Speaker 3>CIA is involved this time, I don't know, because now

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<v Speaker 3>Trump's in charge, but there will be many, and certainly

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<v Speaker 3>in Ukraine that will do everything they can to, especially

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<v Speaker 3>those on the western side.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll try to support that. I suspect.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know how big it will be, but it's

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<v Speaker 3>hard for me to imagine they would just say, all right,

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<v Speaker 3>let's just move on with their lives.

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<v Speaker 1>Does the president really have any control over what the

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<v Speaker 1>CIA does? I just have to ask that, Daniel, all.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, Well, ostensibly he does, he's putting his director in there.

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<v Speaker 3>I'd like to think that there is some, but I

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<v Speaker 3>can't say that with the full throat at affirmative.

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<v Speaker 1>I had to insert that little joke there, if you

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<v Speaker 1>don't mind. A quick pivot over to now resigning FBI

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<v Speaker 1>Director Christopher Ray and his comments on sixty Minutes the

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<v Speaker 1>other day about China and the threat the Chinese Communist

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<v Speaker 1>Party poses, talking about, you know, pre positioning on America's

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<v Speaker 1>civilian infrastructure, lying in wait for those networks to be

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<v Speaker 1>in a position to wreak havoc and inflict real world

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<v Speaker 1>harm at a time and place of their choosing, noting

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<v Speaker 1>that they have infiltrated and it's been documented. I've read

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<v Speaker 1>multiple articles in Soviet water treatment plans, transportation systems, he said.

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<v Speaker 1>We're talking about our energy sector, the electric grid, natural

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<v Speaker 1>gas pipeline, as well as targeting of our communications systems

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<v Speaker 1>upon and hate to draw a parallel with Los Angeles

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<v Speaker 1>and the gross and competence of elected officials out there

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<v Speaker 1>and lessening the fire risk. We know this is a problem.

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<v Speaker 1>It's well documented. An FBI director raise out there and

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<v Speaker 1>telling the world about it. We've goten other reports recently

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<v Speaker 1>from the FBI and the DHS warning about you know,

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<v Speaker 1>copycat attacks and attacks on our infrastructure. Do you have

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<v Speaker 1>any faith that they're actually trying to get ahead of

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<v Speaker 1>the problem and doing something to batten down our hatches

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<v Speaker 1>and our resources to prevent this from happening or otherwise

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<v Speaker 1>getting any virus or hacks or attacks out of our systems.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, look, I mean I will just look on the

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<v Speaker 3>broadside first. I certainly hope that the incoming Trump administration

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<v Speaker 3>will actually do something, but gracious, I mean my first

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<v Speaker 3>comment was like, wait a minute, you're telling me that

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<v Speaker 3>you on the way out the door know about all

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<v Speaker 3>this stuff, and what have you done about it? I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>we're not talking about one or two things possibly. I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>there was a big laundry list, and so my obvious

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<v Speaker 3>question is, why the hell did you not do anything

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<v Speaker 3>to resolve this issue?

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<v Speaker 2>Why you've had the power to do so.

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<v Speaker 3>So, if the problem is as big as he says

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<v Speaker 3>it is, then there needs to be some hearings to

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<v Speaker 3>find out why you didn't do anything about it and

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<v Speaker 3>what has been the plan so far. You know, we

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<v Speaker 3>don't know obviously from outside here, it's very plausible because

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<v Speaker 3>it's logical from the Chinese perspective that if you know

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<v Speaker 3>there's possibility, because Biden three times in his administration said yes,

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<v Speaker 3>if China takes how one, we will fight China for it.

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<v Speaker 3>So then their minds are going, Okay, then we're going

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<v Speaker 3>to prepare for war and that could mean domestic you know,

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<v Speaker 3>trojan attacks, however you want to characterize them.

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<v Speaker 2>And so it's logical they would do that.

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<v Speaker 3>But it should also be freaking logical that we would

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<v Speaker 3>see that potential and be on the extra care to

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<v Speaker 2>And that's where I have a big problem.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's where I do too, and that's why I

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<v Speaker 1>drew the parallel with Los Angeles. I mean, they've been

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<v Speaker 1>talking about these fires for years and years, there had

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<v Speaker 1>been multiple fires, years and years. They had passed billions

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<v Speaker 1>specifically with the forestry work and cleaning up the mess

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<v Speaker 1>and everything out there, only to not do it. So

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I'm seeing this is a huge red flag,

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<v Speaker 1>and I can only pray to God with very little

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<v Speaker 1>hope that they're actually trying to get ahead of it

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<v Speaker 1>and and and stop it.

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<v Speaker 3>And then's certainly let's hope that the Trump administration does

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<v Speaker 3>two things. Number one, to find out what the true

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<v Speaker 3>scope of the threat is, take action to get rid

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<v Speaker 2>And then also to not.

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<v Speaker 3>Follow with the path of the Brieous administration and get

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<v Speaker 3>us into a war with China that cannot be won.

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<v Speaker 3>And while defending our interest in Rotchet and our freedoms

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<v Speaker 3>everywhere else, we don't have to get into a war

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<v Speaker 3>with China to remain free.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll just tell you that categorically.

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<v Speaker 1>And I agree with you on that as I read

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<v Speaker 1>the headline from Fox News, China directs largest military build

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