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<v Speaker 1>On the Ball with Steve Rivera on Fox Sports fourteen

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<v Speaker 2>Good afternoon, everybody. Welcome to Iron the Ball here on

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<v Speaker 2>Fox Sports fourteen fifty. I'm Steve Rivero in with me today,

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<v Speaker 2>my Friday guy, Jay Gonzalez, not Jack, happy to be

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<v Speaker 2>here man, and my usual Friday guy. So the problem

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<v Speaker 2>the program shouldn't have any issues. Fresh from Cabo.

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<v Speaker 3>What kind of wearing a T shirt, shorts and flip

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<v Speaker 3>flops on a cold day, freezing day.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, he doesn't know any better. He's a college student

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<v Speaker 2>and he's from New York. This was like baal me July.

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<v Speaker 2>Did you learn any Spanish? No said vessai no gracia. Hey,

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<v Speaker 2>welcome back, Welcome back, Henry mister man cool. Hey. Look,

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<v Speaker 2>big game last night, right, I think they I thought,

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<v Speaker 2>just review, real quick review, Jay, they.

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<v Speaker 3>Played pretty well, they played really well. Here here's and

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<v Speaker 3>here's the thing is that what you know, my analysis

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<v Speaker 3>of my post came analysis was that this was a

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<v Speaker 3>game where you know, at halftime, Arizona's up eight. I

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<v Speaker 3>think at halftime you know they're shoot they're starting to

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<v Speaker 3>shoot the lights out. And things are and you're trying

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<v Speaker 3>your bill self, and I'm going, what is he picked

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<v Speaker 3>to stop? Because everybody was everybody was doing something right,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, everybody was in on it all the way

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<v Speaker 3>from kJ making kJ Lewis making.

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<v Speaker 2>A three pointer and stuff. Everybody was in on it.

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<v Speaker 3>And if your bill self and you're trying to figure

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<v Speaker 3>out what to do in the second half, you really

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<v Speaker 3>don't have you really had nowhere to go.

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<v Speaker 2>But he did have he did. They came back the lead,

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<v Speaker 2>and they Dickinson kind of just fell apart. I had

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<v Speaker 2>a couple of bunnies that he made.

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<v Speaker 3>He did and then uh, what's the name, Dwan? What's

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<v Speaker 3>uh Dwan? Harrison? The other guy, Zeke Mayo just thought,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, at the in the last ten minutes, couldn't

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<v Speaker 3>you know, couldn't make any more baskets. And but yet

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<v Speaker 3>and Arizona just kept doing what Arizona did. They just

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<v Speaker 3>stuck to whatever their plan was. You know, I talked about,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, you know, on the thread that I was

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<v Speaker 3>with some guys. I just said, first of all, Henry's

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<v Speaker 3>having the game of his life defensively and offensively. I

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<v Speaker 3>know he didn't have a season Hines a current Hindes scoring,

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<v Speaker 3>but he put up nineteen points. Then I got to

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<v Speaker 3>the end of the game and I looked at the

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<v Speaker 3>box room and said, when did kJ Lewis get nine points?

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<v Speaker 2>He was aggressive. He was not taking shots, which he

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't need to, but when he's aggressive to the basket.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>No.

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<v Speaker 2>The thing about it, it was sprinkled with everybody, one of

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<v Speaker 2>those sprinkled games, and Henry was all you needs from

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<v Speaker 2>Henry's exactly what he got. Yeah, even from Caleb. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>he didn't screw it up.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, he didn't. Yeah, he didn't try to do too much.

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<v Speaker 3>He did what worked he got you know, Yeah, he

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<v Speaker 3>got eleven points. He had he hit a three, he

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<v Speaker 3>had a very key three, as I recall, it was

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<v Speaker 3>an important three. And then he just did other things.

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<v Speaker 3>He had a couple of steals, he had six assists,

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<v Speaker 3>and and and things, and you know, uh, you know.

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<v Speaker 3>I made this the comment that if this is who

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<v Speaker 3>they are, well that's gonna be hard to be. That's

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<v Speaker 3>the whole thing. If we don't know. Yeah, but I

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<v Speaker 3>mean if they can keep playing just like they played

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<v Speaker 3>last night, and by that I mean everybody in on it,

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<v Speaker 3>they'll be They're heard out.

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<v Speaker 6>Now I'm not.

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<v Speaker 3>Saying they can beat you know that that they'll well,

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<v Speaker 3>but they're gonna be a heart out.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll find out tonight with another I think a better

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<v Speaker 2>team than he Bill. This is two years in row

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<v Speaker 2>where it almost looks like the team is just like,

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<v Speaker 2>let's get the hell out. You know, they didn't play

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<v Speaker 2>very healthy or whatever the word is, you know, dignifies

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<v Speaker 2>that the word too, they like inspired.

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<v Speaker 3>There came a time in the second half when you

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<v Speaker 3>felt like they it looked like they felt they were

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<v Speaker 3>beating their heads on the wall and nothing was happening.

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<v Speaker 6>They weren't closing the gap.

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<v Speaker 3>After they had they had the lead, Arizona got it

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<v Speaker 3>back and went up by seven pretty quickly after that,

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<v Speaker 3>and and it looked like the cansit got you know,

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<v Speaker 3>we've done all this stuff, you know, we're you know,

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<v Speaker 3>we're draining all these threes and and we're still losing.

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<v Speaker 3>And then you felt they got they looked a little discouraged.

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<v Speaker 2>So so now they move on to play Texas Tech

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<v Speaker 2>and we'll take some calls on this game tonight. We're

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<v Speaker 2>going to have Texas Tech beat writer or one of

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<v Speaker 2>our usual Nathan Grice Nathan Greis. He's at the at

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<v Speaker 2>the event, so he'll talk to us at four fifteen.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if you think this, because I know

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<v Speaker 2>you're busy working. Do this game. To me, the game

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<v Speaker 2>of the year that I can remember very well is

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<v Speaker 2>the Texas Tech game. When they played here, Arizona played

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<v Speaker 2>out of their mind physically. Henry, were you at the.

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<v Speaker 6>Game, Yeah, I thought that was their best performance.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because they had to play Toll, they had to

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<v Speaker 2>play They showed up and played Toll.

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<v Speaker 4>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>How many times have you said that in your lifetime?

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<v Speaker 3>But in Arizona we said it again last night, right,

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<v Speaker 3>that they were that they were really tough, and and

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<v Speaker 3>that's you know, that's what struck me is you know

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<v Speaker 3>this is this was a game that if you're an

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<v Speaker 3>Arizona fan, you've experienced this game a lot of you know,

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<v Speaker 3>a lot a lot, whether in football or basketball, and

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<v Speaker 3>Arizona almost always loses, right a game where it's in

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<v Speaker 3>the spotlight, right they you know, they're it's a national game,

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<v Speaker 3>it's a bit, it's a conference, it's Kansas, it's in

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<v Speaker 3>a hostile environment. It was all these things that have

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<v Speaker 3>always added up to a loss for Arizona, and they

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<v Speaker 3>won this game, and it was because they were tough.

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<v Speaker 6>Steve.

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<v Speaker 2>So let me let me say this to given what

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<v Speaker 2>you know in your history and my history covering the team,

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<v Speaker 2>I said yesterday before the game that they were going

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<v Speaker 2>to win the game because it's hard to beat Arizona twice,

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<v Speaker 2>especially back to back. Right, Yeah, but Arizona historically shows

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<v Speaker 2>up when they have to. Last night, they had to.

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<v Speaker 2>They had just to kind of to prove that they're

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<v Speaker 2>still around. Tonight tonight, they don't have to, but they

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<v Speaker 2>might if they win this game. They might have to,

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<v Speaker 2>if they might against Houston. But you know what I'm saying,

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<v Speaker 2>they find everyone's always found a way until they find

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<v Speaker 2>a better team.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, I mean they they I don't know. To me,

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<v Speaker 3>the reason they won that game was just because of that,

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<v Speaker 3>right they just said, you know, you know, we we've

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<v Speaker 3>got something, Warriors go.

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<v Speaker 2>We've got a lot to prove, right right still still, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>we got a call real quick below you're on the

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<v Speaker 2>air and one the ball. Who's this is Brian? How's

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<v Speaker 2>it going, Brian? Hey, your buddy Jay's I know, I know.

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<v Speaker 4>Jay's on vacation again. Let's be spring breaks.

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<v Speaker 2>He's got no flip fups on what's going on.

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<v Speaker 4>Brian, Well, that was a great game last.

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<v Speaker 7>Night, you know, But I think the hardest part is

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<v Speaker 7>we haven't seen it such a long time, and they

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<v Speaker 7>do this two games in a row.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, let me ask both of you guys. So you're

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<v Speaker 2>watching the game and they had a ten point lead,

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<v Speaker 2>twelve point lead midway through the first half. Are you thinking, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>when's the collapse going to happen?

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<v Speaker 4>No?

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<v Speaker 3>I wasn't. I was thinking. I was thinking a collapse.

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<v Speaker 3>I thought I was sure Kansas was going to come back. Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>and they did because they're Kansas, right. Okay, what about you, Brian?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I'm the same way.

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<v Speaker 7>And you know, you get the.

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<v Speaker 4>Lead, the big lead early.

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<v Speaker 7>In the game, and we're just han't had a hard

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<v Speaker 7>time most of the year putting people away. Yeah, no

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<v Speaker 7>matter what part of the game, it is.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, that's why.

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<v Speaker 4>And this team is like.

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<v Speaker 7>Jacqueline Hyde, I mean, a great one game.

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<v Speaker 4>And we don't know what's gonna shoow. That's what makes

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<v Speaker 4>it so.

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<v Speaker 7>I get so much fun this year. We have no

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<v Speaker 7>idea what's going to happen tonight.

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<v Speaker 3>But but what I saw was that when Kansas came

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<v Speaker 3>back at them as we as I thought they would,

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<v Speaker 3>right as I thought they would, it you know that

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<v Speaker 3>that they just said no.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, well let me ask you, because Brian, you said

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<v Speaker 2>the word fun, and that's what makes this season fun.

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<v Speaker 2>Some people are saying frustrating, that's why it makes this

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<v Speaker 2>season frustrating.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, it's a whole different league. I mean, it's not

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<v Speaker 4>the kind of basketball we're used to the last twenty

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<v Speaker 4>five years, right, you know. I mean where you have

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<v Speaker 4>a conference where instead.

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<v Speaker 7>Of you know, three or four really tough games and

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<v Speaker 7>eight cupcakes are not really cupcakes, but teams aren't that good.

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<v Speaker 7>Where you have fourteen or fifteen really good teams. I

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<v Speaker 7>mean that can beat anybody any night, and you better

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<v Speaker 7>play your best game when you come out every night.

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<v Speaker 7>You're going to have a long season.

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<v Speaker 6>I made the mistake of going to social media at halftime.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and people are going, we're soft, We're not playing well,

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<v Speaker 3>We're terrible. We got to I'm like, does everybody know

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<v Speaker 3>Arizona is up on Kansas by eight right now?

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<v Speaker 6>Do we know that?

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<v Speaker 3>You know the people were complaining about after they beat Baylor.

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<v Speaker 2>Jay we talked about this all the time, and Brian,

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<v Speaker 2>you're more pragmatically than most. How the fans just don't

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<v Speaker 2>They've got to get used to this. They just don't get.

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<v Speaker 7>Out, you know, and this is the way.

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<v Speaker 4>But you know, we've always complained about oh gosh, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>go to.

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<v Speaker 7>The games, you go, oh, I got playing you know,

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<v Speaker 7>col and they're not any good, and we beat them

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<v Speaker 7>by thirty, you.

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<v Speaker 4>Know, and it just doesn't happen, and he d not.

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<v Speaker 7>In this conference, we're not going to have those kind

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<v Speaker 7>of games. I mean, even games we've watched, we really haven't.

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<v Speaker 7>Maybe a one or two we've played really bad and

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<v Speaker 7>got blown out, but otherwise we.

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<v Speaker 4>Have been in most every game we.

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<v Speaker 7>Have played, it could have gone either way, and.

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<v Speaker 4>Even some of the wins that could have gone either way.

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<v Speaker 7>And we've had to fight, you know, just to get

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<v Speaker 7>those wins. And I think I think, you know, Tommy Lloyd,

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<v Speaker 7>I thought he did a good job sitting.

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<v Speaker 4>At lineup left. I thought they played well.

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<v Speaker 7>He got him ready. And I don't think people should

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<v Speaker 7>be complaining at all at all.

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<v Speaker 6>Let me let me put it this way.

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<v Speaker 3>In in all of Arizona's packed twelve conference tournaments, have

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<v Speaker 3>they ever played a better team in their first game

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<v Speaker 3>of the tournament.

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<v Speaker 3>That's all you need to know is that Kansas finished

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<v Speaker 6>So fans have got to get used to this.

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<v Speaker 6>Arizona is seeded to lose this game to it, aren't they?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, aren't they?

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<v Speaker 3>Texas is the two seed. Arizona is a three seed. Henry,

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<v Speaker 3>a half by seed? Arizona's supposed to lose today.

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<v Speaker 2>What's like half their favorite or dog?

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<v Speaker 6>Texas ticked by one and a half?

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<v Speaker 2>Just stick by what half? I'll tell you. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>come on, the man handled them in Lubbock and there

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<v Speaker 2>was a great game here. So we'll see what happens.

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<v Speaker 2>They'll have to be tough again. They'll have to be

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<v Speaker 6>But I think they are. The question is will they

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<v Speaker 2>Well that's the whole thing. That's the that's the fun

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<v Speaker 7>He had a great game last night.

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<v Speaker 2>The funny thing about Bridan Bryant, and I asked that

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<v Speaker 2>Right, Okay, thanks Brian, thanks for the call. Okay, I

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<v Speaker 3>doing good stuff. You know, from from top to bottom

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<v Speaker 3>in the in the rotation because of what.

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<v Speaker 2>Happened last night. I think I said, uh, they've got

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<v Speaker 6>I think they got a four seat now, which is which.

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<v Speaker 2>Is very more? Is better off? Obviously right? Comfortable? More comfortable. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>So we'll see what happens. Okay, anymore, no more college there, Okay, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>we're gonna have UH for the real even in about

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<v Speaker 4>Uh.

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<v Speaker 3>earlier in the week Russ Bradbert Bird and then Jack

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<v Speaker 3>then Rus Bradford did a really funny interesting Yeah I

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<v Speaker 6>Believe it or not, I read them all.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't read min what the hell?

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<v Speaker 6>Get on a panel and I'll read it.

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<v Speaker 3>But Russ Bradford did a did a novel on It

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<v Speaker 3>was a pretty funny. It was pretty It was funny,

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<v Speaker 3>but kind of telling because you read it and you

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<v Speaker 3>go that can happen? He said, well, wait, maybe it can.

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<v Speaker 3>You know about about a university that takes on a

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<v Speaker 6>But it was a really interesting read.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, Howard, this is Jagonzalez. It's good to talk to you.

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<v Speaker 3>We've exchanged some emails. I'll be moderating your panel on Sunday.

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<v Speaker 3>And Uh, just finished your book a few days ago

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<v Speaker 3>and was fascinated by by the history. It's uh, it's

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<v Speaker 3>a it's called Rare Gems. How four generations of women

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<v Speaker 3>help pave the way for the w NBA. I had

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<v Speaker 3>no idea there was that much history, right, And I

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<v Speaker 3>think that's probably the point of writing the book. Tell

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<v Speaker 3>us a little bit about you know, how you came

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<v Speaker 3>to this, why, why why.

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<v Speaker 6>You did this?

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<v Speaker 4>I will and Jay thank you for the time words.

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<v Speaker 4>I can't wait for our panel on Sunday. That that's

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<v Speaker 4>at ten am.

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<v Speaker 6>Is that right, right ten o'clock in the morning.

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<v Speaker 3>Books Those who want to go to it, it's at

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<v Speaker 3>the Integrated Learning Center, Room one fifty.

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<v Speaker 6>But you'll you'll be one of three authors on the panel.

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<v Speaker 4>Really excited about that, And yeah, to your point, Rare Gems,

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<v Speaker 4>it speaks to a history that quite frankly, people do

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<v Speaker 4>not talk about, a hidden history when it comes to

447
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<v Speaker 4>women's basketball. It's very easy to look at the current

448
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<v Speaker 4>moment in the explosion of popularity in the game and

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<v Speaker 4>miss out that if we did not have the trailblazers

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<v Speaker 4>that we did going back in the case of this

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<v Speaker 4>story sixty years and the taste of becoming Camplin Clark

452
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<v Speaker 4>one hundred years, women's basketball will not be where it

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<v Speaker 4>is today. A woman named PEPs Newman is somebody who

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<v Speaker 4>I first encountered in twenty seventeen. Got to know her

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<v Speaker 4>well and to understand that what PEPs Newman did grew

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<v Speaker 4>the game in places it did not exist. PEPs Newman

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<v Speaker 4>decided in high school that there needed to be high

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<v Speaker 4>school girls' basketball, and there had been fifty years where

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<v Speaker 4>that was simply not happening. And the net result is

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<v Speaker 4>that she was able to create games between high schools

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<v Speaker 4>and helped pave the way for a return to high

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<v Speaker 4>school varsity basketball in Minnesota. She was told by her

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<v Speaker 4>principal that she should not even dream of being a

464
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<v Speaker 4>professional basketball player. Well, so she turned around, created a

465
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<v Speaker 4>team and for twenty five years, her team, Barnstorm, playing

466
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<v Speaker 4>against men, finished in the black every single year and

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<v Speaker 4>helped multiple generations see that women could play professional basketball

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<v Speaker 4>long before there was even a WNBA. And so those

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<v Speaker 4>two things, right, the fact that there's a history and

470
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<v Speaker 4>there's incredible links between the generations who have built this

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<v Speaker 4>sport really got me to the point where I simply

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<v Speaker 4>needed to write a book about it.

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<v Speaker 2>So according to your picture to me, you're a young man,

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<v Speaker 2>I want to say forty two.

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<v Speaker 4>Maybe good guests just turned forty five.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so WNBA twenty five, thirty years ago. Now, when

477
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<v Speaker 2>night first came out, what were you thinking?

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<v Speaker 4>I was saying, it was something new, it was something exciting.

479
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<v Speaker 4>I had no idea the ways in which it would

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<v Speaker 4>ultimately enrich my life to be able to cover it.

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<v Speaker 4>But you're right, I mean I am probably the last generation.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm I certainly believe the last generation will ever grow

483
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<v Speaker 4>up with women's professional basketball not just being an assumption

484
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<v Speaker 4>and understand it. And so you know that is that

485
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<v Speaker 4>creates with the certain challenges that the WNBA no longer

486
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<v Speaker 4>has to face. As much as there are many, it

487
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<v Speaker 4>still does so hard.

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<v Speaker 6>You're also a Title nine advocate.

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<v Speaker 3>You have you have a newsletter a lot of things

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<v Speaker 3>involving women's athletics and particularly women's basketball.

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<v Speaker 6>Where did that interest come from?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, I'm glad you mentioned and anyone who's interested in

493
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<v Speaker 4>women's basketball specifically should subscribe to the Next It's the

494
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<v Speaker 4>Next Troops dot com. It is a newsroom. We have

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<v Speaker 4>over seventy pieces already in the month of March by

496
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<v Speaker 4>our incredible team. The nine newsletter covers six different women's sports.

497
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<v Speaker 4>It captures the connection between those sports and that's at

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<v Speaker 4>thchgixsports dot com. Where it comes from for me is

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<v Speaker 4>simply that I have been in this business now for

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<v Speaker 4>twenty years and I've had the privilege of being able

501
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<v Speaker 4>to cover both men's and women's sports. I'd love to

502
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<v Speaker 4>do both, but you cannot help but see this enormous

503
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<v Speaker 4>chasm between how men's sports is covered and how women's

504
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<v Speaker 4>sports is covered, and so much, as I've said, as

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<v Speaker 4>I love to be at a baseball stadium, getting the

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<v Speaker 4>opportunity to go and cover and shine a light on

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<v Speaker 4>the stories of women's sports or something that just became

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<v Speaker 4>more and more of an imperative for me the more

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<v Speaker 4>I was in this business.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure you've gotten a lot of compliments one and

511
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<v Speaker 2>a lot of readership because of what you do, especially

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<v Speaker 2>from college basketball coaches and the like.

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<v Speaker 4>It's been a funny thing because yes, it's true, and

514
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<v Speaker 4>on the women's basketball side, there are any number of

515
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<v Speaker 4>coaches and players to say thank you, you know, for

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<v Speaker 4>I don't mean just to me, but to reporters who

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<v Speaker 4>do this in general, thank you for the coverage. And

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<v Speaker 4>I have always said, you know, I've been privileged to

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<v Speaker 4>cover the NBA through the years as well, and I've

520
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<v Speaker 4>never had I've never seen Lebron James or Steph Curry

521
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<v Speaker 4>or Kevin Durant say hey, we just want to thank

522
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<v Speaker 4>you for shining a lighte on men's basketball. And so

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<v Speaker 4>I believe one of the metrics of equality is when

524
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<v Speaker 4>we reach that point where it is a given for

525
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<v Speaker 4>women's basketball the way it is for men's basketball. There's

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<v Speaker 4>been growth. I'm really proud of our team and what

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<v Speaker 4>we do, but there's still a long way to go.

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<v Speaker 3>So this is how I'm sorry, Howard. We're talking to

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<v Speaker 3>Howard megdal from who's going to be here at the

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<v Speaker 3>Tucson Festival of Books.

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<v Speaker 6>Howard's got two panels.

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<v Speaker 3>He's going to be on one on Breaking Barriers Saturday

533
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<v Speaker 3>at four o'clock with two other authors, and then the

534
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<v Speaker 3>one that I'll be moderating at ten o'clock in the

535
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<v Speaker 3>morning on Sunday. It's on sports and culture, and it

536
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<v Speaker 3>just gives a sense of what that is. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>your book is about you know, women and now athletics

538
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<v Speaker 3>and particularly basketball.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh.

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<v Speaker 3>Jack McCallum, Sports Illustrated writer did a piece on not

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<v Speaker 3>a piece of book on the history of basketball in

542
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<v Speaker 3>Indiana U through the Eyes using Oscar Robertson's experience. And

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<v Speaker 3>then the third book is by Russ Bradbert, who was

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<v Speaker 3>on the show earlier this week and is do and

545
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<v Speaker 3>did a novel about college athletic a novel by college

546
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<v Speaker 3>athletics and kind of kind of talking about the power

547
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<v Speaker 3>of college athletics among the universities.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's sort of we're going to talk about you know.

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<v Speaker 3>Money, power, women, race, all those things in this panel,

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<v Speaker 3>but your your.

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<v Speaker 6>Your book, Howard.

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<v Speaker 3>You know what what fascinated me was how you were

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<v Speaker 3>able to compile it all and really give us a

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<v Speaker 3>roadmap as to how things developed, you know, from the

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<v Speaker 3>standpoint of Minnesota and the and the impact that had

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<v Speaker 3>on the development of the of the w n b A.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, there were all these women basketball players that

558
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<v Speaker 3>we all heard of, but I don't think we all

559
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<v Speaker 3>ever really understood each little piece of what they did

560
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<v Speaker 3>and how it got us to where now there's a

561
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<v Speaker 3>Caitlin Clark and there's an Angel Reese and those kinds

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<v Speaker 3>of personalities.

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<v Speaker 6>Now in this.

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<v Speaker 4>Sport, it's fascinating because you see the endgame, but you

565
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<v Speaker 4>don't necessarily see the process and the fact that if

566
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<v Speaker 4>you take any link out, we don't end up the

567
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<v Speaker 4>destination that we're at t right, And I'm excited we'll

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<v Speaker 4>get to talk about this on Sunday, about the fact

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<v Speaker 4>that you cannot separate the culture from the sport. It's

570
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<v Speaker 4>simply an impossibility. I'm excited about the Saturday as you

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<v Speaker 4>mentioned as at four o'clock as well, The Great PJ.

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<v Speaker 4>Brown is going to be moderating that one Mire and

573
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<v Speaker 4>Fader is going to be the Melissa Looky so really

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<v Speaker 4>going to have a lot of discussion again centering around

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<v Speaker 4>the fact that you know Melissa's case, she is a

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<v Speaker 4>sports writer and a woman, a pioneer in sports writing,

577
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<v Speaker 4>who had to fight her way into the clubhouse, you know,

578
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<v Speaker 4>to be able to just tell these stories and again,

579
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<v Speaker 4>you know, all of these barriers to why people didn't

580
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<v Speaker 4>get access to being able to follow women's basketball the

581
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<v Speaker 4>way they have been able to take, for granted men's

582
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<v Speaker 4>festiball for a very long time. Goes a long way

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<v Speaker 4>towards explaining the gaps you're seeing. You know, the thing

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<v Speaker 4>that I would urge people to think about big picture

585
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<v Speaker 4>when it comes to women's sports as it relates to

586
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<v Speaker 4>men's sports, is focus on process, not on outcomes, because

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<v Speaker 4>it's very easy to simply look at the outcomes and

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<v Speaker 4>fail to understand or realize that there's a process that

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<v Speaker 4>led directly to it, and then those outcomes are used

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<v Speaker 4>to feed a process that the way I put it

591
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<v Speaker 4>is if you water one tree every day and water

592
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<v Speaker 4>another tree once a month. That first tree may grow bigger,

593
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<v Speaker 4>but it doesn't mean it was a bigger tree.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, mentioned, you're working on a book that'll be coming

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<v Speaker 3>out on Caitlin Clark without you know, spoiling the whole thing, right,

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<v Speaker 3>tell us a little bit about you know what, what

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<v Speaker 3>can we expect from that?

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<v Speaker 6>What are we going to see? Any idea? How much

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<v Speaker 6>can you tell us?

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<v Speaker 4>I'm happy to tell you everything. The book is available

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<v Speaker 4>for pre order wherever you have books. I'll actually have

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<v Speaker 4>a QR code with me at both events this weekend.

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<v Speaker 4>Becoming Caitlin Clark is due out in June by Triumph,

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<v Speaker 4>and it tells the story that you do not have

605
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<v Speaker 4>Caitlin Clark without one hundred years of Iowa basketball. And

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<v Speaker 4>it's remarkable to see, not just the fact that what

607
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<v Speaker 4>was done in Iowa. You know, we just we talked

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<v Speaker 4>at the top of the segment here about Pep's having

609
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<v Speaker 4>to do it herself in the nineteen sixties. Well, in Iowa,

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<v Speaker 4>you never had that gap. There has always been girls

611
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<v Speaker 4>high school basketball in Iowa. And the result of that

612
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<v Speaker 4>is a different level of fandom and a different kind

613
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<v Speaker 4>of basketball that was being played. Both of them direct

614
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<v Speaker 4>links to what Caitlin Clark does today and even better,

615
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<v Speaker 4>people with a direct link. The grandmother of Jan Jensen,

616
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<v Speaker 4>the current IOWA coach who worked very closely as Lisa

617
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<v Speaker 4>Buder's lead assistant with Caitlin Clark, was also the star

618
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<v Speaker 4>of the team that won the girls' high school championship

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<v Speaker 4>in nineteen twenty one. So it's not a six degrees

620
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<v Speaker 4>of Kevin Bacon scenario. You have people with direct impact

621
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<v Speaker 4>on how the game was played that led to not

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<v Speaker 4>just how Caitlin Clark plays it, but the way in

623
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<v Speaker 4>which she has followed as a player.

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<v Speaker 2>How many books could we kame Clark? Because I know

625
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<v Speaker 2>that the USA and Dairy reporter had gotten in trouble

626
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<v Speaker 2>talking about King Clark last year, right, And what was

627
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<v Speaker 2>your access like for her or with her?

628
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<v Speaker 4>It was great. The opportunity to talk to everyone was

629
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<v Speaker 4>something that I really relished, you know, the chance to

630
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<v Speaker 4>talk to not just Caitlin, but being able to talk

631
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<v Speaker 4>at lengthily Blueter, who was a fundamental trailblizer who helped

632
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<v Speaker 4>make this possible, you know, spending hours with her, with

633
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<v Speaker 4>Jan Jensen, with those who were Caitlin Clark before she

634
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<v Speaker 4>was Caitlin Clark a woman named Molly Kasmer. She was

635
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<v Speaker 4>known as Molly Bowlin when she played Machine Gun Molly,

636
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<v Speaker 4>and she was effectively Caitlin Clark fifty years before Caitlin.

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<v Speaker 4>And the difference between then and now is that Molly had

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<v Speaker 4>to take a lot of the slims and arrows that

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<v Speaker 4>Caitlin then didn't when it came time for her to

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<v Speaker 4>be a star, and there was a platform and a

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<v Speaker 4>spotlight on Caitlin that Molly didn't get to enjoy because

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<v Speaker 4>this was before the WNBA. So talking to everyone about

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<v Speaker 4>it and digging into the Iowa Women's archives to see

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<v Speaker 4>what material there was dating back one hundred years, it

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<v Speaker 4>was just an absolute sheer joy for me every time.

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<v Speaker 3>So how big of a fan now are you of

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<v Speaker 3>the WNBA? And by that I mean, you know, do

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<v Speaker 3>you sit down and watch the games? Do you read

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<v Speaker 3>the box scores? You're paying attention to, you know who

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<v Speaker 3>the players are?

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<v Speaker 6>What kind of a fan are you of the league?

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<v Speaker 2>Before you answer that, were you based and do you

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<v Speaker 2>have a WNBA team in your base?

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<v Speaker 4>These are both big questions. I'm based in Ferry Hill,

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<v Speaker 4>New Jersey, just outside of Philadelphia. There is not yet

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<v Speaker 4>a w NBA team in Philadelphia. The Brooklyn home of

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<v Speaker 4>the New York Liberty is the closest one I'd like

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<v Speaker 4>very much of the WNBA, which is considering Philadelphia to

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<v Speaker 4>expand to Philly. I think it would be a great

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<v Speaker 4>market for any number of reasons, not least of which

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<v Speaker 4>might commute, but yes, other reasons as well, both in

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<v Speaker 4>terms of popularity and financial But you know, the answer

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<v Speaker 4>to the question, you know, and fandom is the wrong

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<v Speaker 4>way to put it, because I cover this league, and

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<v Speaker 4>I've covered this league for well over a decade now,

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<v Speaker 4>But I understand what you're asking. And the easy question is,

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<v Speaker 4>is it is compelling as can be? I find again

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<v Speaker 4>and again and again people who have used my work

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<v Speaker 4>as an entry point to get into the league, whether

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<v Speaker 4>it's family or friends or people I've gotten to know.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, there aren't a lot of people who show

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<v Speaker 4>up who see the WNBA, who give it a chance

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<v Speaker 4>and then walk away from them, which is right. And

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<v Speaker 4>you see the fandom continue to get bigger and bigger,

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<v Speaker 4>and we're seeing ratings go up. But part of that

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<v Speaker 4>is also and it's just significant. The reason why people

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<v Speaker 4>are watching Caitlin Clark so much is because they can.

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<v Speaker 4>The fact that there was not every game in the

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<v Speaker 4>NCAA tournament on the women's side available on TV until

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<v Speaker 4>twenty twenty one. Until twenty twenty one, the fact that

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<v Speaker 4>the NCIA did not allow its own women's tournament to

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<v Speaker 4>use March Madness branding until it was shamed into it

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<v Speaker 4>in twenty twenty two. You know, there are all these

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<v Speaker 4>ways in which Caitlin Clarks is a transcendent figure who

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<v Speaker 4>came along at a time where she was able to

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<v Speaker 4>be viewed. But if this has happened ten years ago,

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<v Speaker 4>it would have been Breonna Stewart. And this happened twenty

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<v Speaker 4>years ago, it wouldn't have been And the difference is

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<v Speaker 4>that this is a great player coming along now. And

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<v Speaker 4>by the way, if it was forty years ago, it

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<v Speaker 4>would have been Ann Myers Dryscale, right right, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>No, great stuff. I'm gonna be at the seminars, so

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<v Speaker 2>good to see You're gonna meet you guys, and then

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<v Speaker 2>you'll have fun with Jay.

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<v Speaker 6>I can't wait, Howard, I'm I'm really looking forward to this.

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<v Speaker 4>Me too, me too, can't wait to see you guys.

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<v Speaker 2>Enjoy the weather, enjoy the weather. We'll see you Sunday.

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<v Speaker 4>Good thank you both.

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<v Speaker 6>That was great.

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<v Speaker 3>You know again, Howard Megdaal, he'll be at He'll be

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<v Speaker 3>at two h sessions at the two festival books. The

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<v Speaker 3>first one on Saturday at four o'clock it's called Breaking

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<v Speaker 3>Barriers with Mirrored and Fader Melissa Luke and and Howard.

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<v Speaker 6>That'll be moderated by PJ.

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<v Speaker 3>Brown, the women's basketball writer from the arizon A Daily Star.

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<v Speaker 3>And then I'll be moderating the one at ten o'clock

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<v Speaker 3>in the morning on Sunday. It's called the title of

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<v Speaker 3>the of the panelist Sports and Culture, Howard Mgdoll, Jack McCallum,

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<v Speaker 3>the former Sports Illustrated writer, and Russ Bradbird, who wrote

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<v Speaker 3>a novel.

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<v Speaker 6>Again, you know, a fascinating novel.

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<v Speaker 3>I would just like you read it, you go that

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<v Speaker 3>could never happen, and then you get to the end

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<v Speaker 3>of it and you go, that could one of those things.

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<v Speaker 3>So looking forward to that. It should be a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of fun. Anyways, So come and check those out. That

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<v Speaker 3>Steve will be there and you know, we'll have a conversation.

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<v Speaker 2>I will be throwing stuff at you. Yeah, I believe,

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<v Speaker 2>don't throw stuff. Okay, let's take a break. Here and

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<v Speaker 1>Streaming live on the Ihearts Radio while this is Eye

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<v Speaker 1>on the Ball with Steve Rivera on Fox Sports fourteen fifteen.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, welcome back to I on the Ball here on

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<v Speaker 2>Fox Sports fourteen fifty. You're Steve Rivera. You're Jacins also

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<v Speaker 2>stepped inert controls. You'd like to call us five to

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<v Speaker 2>zero four, one, six, seventy four or zero would be

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<v Speaker 2>great to hear from you. The game in about three

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<v Speaker 2>some hours.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, six thirty or so.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, the game started like ten till last night because

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<v Speaker 3>the previous game ran long.

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<v Speaker 6>But I got my got my.

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<v Speaker 3>Lucky wishbone, family feast and sat down and last night

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<v Speaker 3>watch a game.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what there was a difference. Well, you you've had

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<v Speaker 2>some kod moments already.

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<v Speaker 6>I did.

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<v Speaker 3>I for those of you who didn't see it. It

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<v Speaker 3>was one of those where the game was over and

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<v Speaker 3>a guy launches a three pointer from watches a shot

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<v Speaker 3>from half court as the buzzer goes out. It was

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<v Speaker 3>from a guy from Xavier launching a three pointer. The

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<v Speaker 3>Marquette was up five, having three and a half, and

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<v Speaker 3>he hit it, banked it in, flipped the point spread

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<v Speaker 3>and uh uh, I had I had a pair of

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<v Speaker 3>glasses in my hand and I had some on my

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<v Speaker 3>cap and I had to pick both of them up

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<v Speaker 3>off the floor.

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<v Speaker 2>You already say I got this, I got this. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't got no.

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't you know, I because I watched, I said,

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<v Speaker 3>I kind of felt it, right. I said, they've got

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<v Speaker 3>time to get to half court and throw up a shot,

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<v Speaker 3>and that's what they did. And that's exactly what he did.

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<v Speaker 3>And I watched it and he made it, and I

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<v Speaker 3>dropped my glasses and the other one fell off my hat,

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<v Speaker 3>and I'm like, that's that's what happens.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll see if well, I think they're gonna be in Xavier.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll see if Sean gets in, if they are the

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<v Speaker 2>party of play in game. Yeah, there was some thought

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<v Speaker 2>maybe they're gonna play Arizona.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, there was that.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, there was that one bracket that came out that

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<v Speaker 3>had them that if they won the play Arizona in

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<v Speaker 3>the second.

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<v Speaker 2>Round, five five game game.

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<v Speaker 4>Yea.

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<v Speaker 2>So we'll see what happens. This is the best time

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<v Speaker 2>of year, you know, You and I say, Friday, you

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<v Speaker 2>and I will be having an early dinner. We had

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<v Speaker 2>been early dinners on Fridays most of the time, not together,

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<v Speaker 2>but you know, separate.

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<v Speaker 18>Yeah, in Vegas. I'd be in Vegas right now, I'd

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<v Speaker 18>be getting ready to a game. Yeah, I've been getting

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<v Speaker 18>ready to work the semi final games. And you know

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<v Speaker 18>it's I was, you know, talking to my wife today.

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<v Speaker 3>We're you know, we're both working from home, and I said,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, it's the first time in a you know,

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<v Speaker 3>a dozen years that I've been home week of conference tournaments.

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<v Speaker 2>This is Yeah, it's.

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<v Speaker 3>Been kind of cool. I'd rather been at the PAC

847
00:41:36.440 --> 00:41:38.039
<v Speaker 3>twelve tournament, but it's been fun.

848
00:41:38.079 --> 00:41:39.239
<v Speaker 6>I've been watching the games.

849
00:41:39.599 --> 00:41:41.599
<v Speaker 3>I feel like I know a lot more going in

850
00:41:41.639 --> 00:41:44.519
<v Speaker 3>to do brackets and stuff you know, that are coming up,

851
00:41:46.119 --> 00:41:48.039
<v Speaker 3>and uh, not that i think I'm going to go

852
00:41:48.039 --> 00:41:49.440
<v Speaker 3>win anything, but I just feel like.

853
00:41:49.400 --> 00:41:51.159
<v Speaker 6>I know more because I don't see.

854
00:41:51.119 --> 00:41:53.440
<v Speaker 2>Well that's the tournaments. We talked about that with Dave.

855
00:41:53.519 --> 00:41:56.320
<v Speaker 2>I think maybe earlier this week or Blake. Whatever. We

856
00:41:56.440 --> 00:41:58.800
<v Speaker 2>go to these things, we don't get to see much

857
00:41:58.840 --> 00:42:00.679
<v Speaker 2>of the games, right, were right?

858
00:42:00.760 --> 00:42:04.440
<v Speaker 6>We see scores, but we don't see teams. We don't

859
00:42:04.440 --> 00:42:05.119
<v Speaker 6>see games.

860
00:42:05.639 --> 00:42:08.440
<v Speaker 3>You know, you don't see that, you know what Marquette

861
00:42:08.480 --> 00:42:12.079
<v Speaker 3>looked like, or what Creighton looked like, or anybody else.

862
00:42:12.679 --> 00:42:16.440
<v Speaker 3>I had Liberty Kennesaw State on today, you know, just

863
00:42:16.440 --> 00:42:18.360
<v Speaker 3>because it was on, because it was on, it was

864
00:42:18.400 --> 00:42:20.760
<v Speaker 3>after the it was after I had watched the Michigan

865
00:42:20.840 --> 00:42:24.639
<v Speaker 3>State Oregon game, and then I was looking for another

866
00:42:24.679 --> 00:42:25.760
<v Speaker 3>game to watch and that was on.

867
00:42:26.199 --> 00:42:28.599
<v Speaker 6>You know, I've turned on the guy. There was a game.

868
00:42:28.639 --> 00:42:30.920
<v Speaker 3>I turned around and I watched it, and I watched Liberty,

869
00:42:30.920 --> 00:42:33.159
<v Speaker 3>who was getting their butts beat as the number one

870
00:42:33.199 --> 00:42:35.559
<v Speaker 3>seed in their tournament, come back and win the game

871
00:42:35.599 --> 00:42:38.599
<v Speaker 3>because this guy whose name I don't even know, just

872
00:42:38.639 --> 00:42:41.760
<v Speaker 3>started raining three pointers on them and he couldn't miss see.

873
00:42:41.760 --> 00:42:43.840
<v Speaker 2>That's you know what, Jay, I think that could be

874
00:42:44.119 --> 00:42:47.440
<v Speaker 2>in one of Arizona's downfalls. Next week, you have these

875
00:42:47.480 --> 00:42:50.440
<v Speaker 2>teams from Liberty, you have real idea who they are,

876
00:42:50.599 --> 00:42:53.280
<v Speaker 2>but some dude he shows up in histories.

877
00:42:53.320 --> 00:42:56.840
<v Speaker 3>He's like, excuse the excuse, the the whole racial thing.

878
00:42:56.880 --> 00:43:00.000
<v Speaker 3>But he was a five eight, white, slow, white guy. Yeah,

879
00:43:00.039 --> 00:43:03.079
<v Speaker 3>and he couldn't miss. You'll have to go look up

880
00:43:03.079 --> 00:43:05.679
<v Speaker 3>his box score. He must have made seven three pointers

881
00:43:05.679 --> 00:43:06.400
<v Speaker 3>in the second half.

882
00:43:06.440 --> 00:43:08.719
<v Speaker 2>All it takes is one Jimmy for dead, right for

883
00:43:08.800 --> 00:43:11.000
<v Speaker 2>a team that can't defend the threes.

884
00:43:10.639 --> 00:43:11.440
<v Speaker 6>Right right.

885
00:43:11.800 --> 00:43:15.119
<v Speaker 3>And Kennesaw State had all these athletic guys and they

886
00:43:15.119 --> 00:43:17.119
<v Speaker 3>were just killing them. They were up double digits in

887
00:43:17.159 --> 00:43:21.559
<v Speaker 3>the second half, and this guy single handedly put him away.

888
00:43:21.639 --> 00:43:24.079
<v Speaker 2>It's funny because you have these guys, right, and there

889
00:43:24.119 --> 00:43:25.400
<v Speaker 2>was a lot of them out there. Could you see

890
00:43:25.400 --> 00:43:27.280
<v Speaker 2>the highlights? Arizona can't find one.

891
00:43:27.400 --> 00:43:30.800
<v Speaker 6>Well, but Arizona would never recruit that guy.

892
00:43:30.840 --> 00:43:33.679
<v Speaker 2>That's my point. That's my point, because he's not Arizona good,

893
00:43:33.719 --> 00:43:34.480
<v Speaker 2>right right.

894
00:43:34.719 --> 00:43:40.719
<v Speaker 3>But because he's he's he's he's delorso in the Big twelve,

895
00:43:41.000 --> 00:43:42.519
<v Speaker 3>he's not going to get that shot off.

896
00:43:42.760 --> 00:43:43.639
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, like he's going to.

897
00:43:43.639 --> 00:43:45.079
<v Speaker 6>Get it off against Kennisas State.

898
00:43:45.320 --> 00:43:47.639
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, I hear what you're saying. But for a

899
00:43:47.719 --> 00:43:50.199
<v Speaker 2>game or two, one time, that's all you need.

900
00:43:50.280 --> 00:43:52.760
<v Speaker 3>How many times have those guys come to McHale And

901
00:43:52.800 --> 00:43:55.440
<v Speaker 3>you see these hyphenated schools come and the guy shoots

902
00:43:55.440 --> 00:43:57.920
<v Speaker 3>the lights on an Arizona beats them by thirty. But

903
00:43:58.000 --> 00:44:00.199
<v Speaker 3>then this guy was, you know, eight for twelve from

904
00:44:00.199 --> 00:44:03.159
<v Speaker 3>three points. You go, why can't Arizona get that guy?

905
00:44:03.280 --> 00:44:07.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they haven't gotten that guy in that guy since since.

906
00:44:09.320 --> 00:44:11.079
<v Speaker 2>But it is what it is. Anybody want to call,

907
00:44:11.119 --> 00:44:13.920
<v Speaker 2>We still have time. We have about eight minutes two

908
00:44:14.159 --> 00:44:18.400
<v Speaker 2>forty Give a quick call about tonight's game, last night's game.

909
00:44:18.480 --> 00:44:21.800
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I've been fascinated by by the conference tournaments.

910
00:44:22.000 --> 00:44:22.159
<v Speaker 2>You know.

911
00:44:22.320 --> 00:44:24.800
<v Speaker 3>You see how he got blown out today by by Wisconsin.

912
00:44:24.880 --> 00:44:29.960
<v Speaker 3>And at halftime, uh uh mit, Cronan told the half

913
00:44:30.320 --> 00:44:33.400
<v Speaker 3>the satelline reporter and his team was an embarrassment.

914
00:44:33.480 --> 00:44:37.800
<v Speaker 6>And I thought, that's that's typical, Mick. That's funny rat

915
00:44:37.800 --> 00:44:39.119
<v Speaker 6>spot spot on Mick.

916
00:44:40.280 --> 00:44:42.800
<v Speaker 3>You know, watching the post game press conference and press

917
00:44:42.800 --> 00:44:46.119
<v Speaker 3>post game of comments with with Tommy last night, for

918
00:44:46.519 --> 00:44:50.440
<v Speaker 3>those were the the announce got ahead of himself and

919
00:44:50.440 --> 00:44:51.559
<v Speaker 3>he said, who whoa, whoa, whoa whoa.

920
00:44:51.760 --> 00:44:53.599
<v Speaker 6>We got another game to play, don't be.

921
00:44:54.920 --> 00:44:58.960
<v Speaker 2>But to the announcer's credit and Tommy's whatever, he does

922
00:44:59.000 --> 00:45:02.760
<v Speaker 2>that here in the middle the question, and Jobson jumps

923
00:45:02.960 --> 00:45:04.519
<v Speaker 2>this is can I finish their question?

924
00:45:04.960 --> 00:45:05.199
<v Speaker 6>Please?

925
00:45:05.239 --> 00:45:07.840
<v Speaker 2>Let me finished the question. Don't you do it? Just

926
00:45:07.880 --> 00:45:09.320
<v Speaker 2>like can I do to you? Don't get ahead of me.

927
00:45:09.800 --> 00:45:12.360
<v Speaker 2>Don't get ahead of me. Let me tell the joke first.

928
00:45:12.480 --> 00:45:16.840
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but I'm I'm looking forward to, uh to all

929
00:45:16.840 --> 00:45:18.719
<v Speaker 3>of this, you know, these next couple of days and

930
00:45:18.800 --> 00:45:21.480
<v Speaker 3>with all the semi finals and finals and stuff like that.

931
00:45:21.719 --> 00:45:22.639
<v Speaker 6>It's been fun.

932
00:45:22.719 --> 00:45:25.239
<v Speaker 3>I've I've I've been busy, but I've been sitting at

933
00:45:25.239 --> 00:45:27.400
<v Speaker 3>my desk. I haven't been out a lot, so I've

934
00:45:27.400 --> 00:45:30.360
<v Speaker 3>had these games on all day, you know, nine o'clock

935
00:45:30.360 --> 00:45:32.800
<v Speaker 3>in the morning until you know. I watched San Diego

936
00:45:32.800 --> 00:45:35.239
<v Speaker 3>State yesterday, you know, my daughters at San Diego State,

937
00:45:35.280 --> 00:45:37.079
<v Speaker 3>and they were really yea bumbed.

938
00:45:37.079 --> 00:45:38.880
<v Speaker 6>She you know they got beat No, no, she she

939
00:45:38.920 --> 00:45:39.760
<v Speaker 6>didn't go. She's working it.

940
00:45:40.239 --> 00:45:43.880
<v Speaker 2>She's she's doing social But what's your sport that she's got.

941
00:45:44.440 --> 00:45:46.559
<v Speaker 3>She's got other sports, She's got the other minor sports.

942
00:45:46.599 --> 00:45:49.199
<v Speaker 3>So she's here, but she is working the game. So

943
00:45:49.320 --> 00:45:51.559
<v Speaker 3>you know, we we've got the San Diego State games, uh,

944
00:45:51.800 --> 00:45:53.920
<v Speaker 3>you know, on our on our radar, and I watched

945
00:45:53.920 --> 00:45:56.320
<v Speaker 3>that game and they were pretty bummed they get beat.

946
00:45:56.119 --> 00:45:56.559
<v Speaker 6>The other day.

947
00:45:56.599 --> 00:45:59.039
<v Speaker 2>They haven't been this out early in a long time. Man,

948
00:45:59.159 --> 00:46:01.920
<v Speaker 2>let me ask you, did you the ballow uber Ballow.

949
00:46:02.039 --> 00:46:03.199
<v Speaker 6>I saw the tweet?

950
00:46:03.559 --> 00:46:04.760
<v Speaker 2>Did you see what he said?

951
00:46:04.880 --> 00:46:05.400
<v Speaker 6>Or yes?

952
00:46:05.679 --> 00:46:10.039
<v Speaker 2>So what were your impressions? I have mine? Well set

953
00:46:10.079 --> 00:46:10.360
<v Speaker 2>it up.

954
00:46:10.920 --> 00:46:14.519
<v Speaker 3>Well, he just said that, you know, you know Indiana basketball,

955
00:46:14.559 --> 00:46:16.440
<v Speaker 3>you know they lose, they get death threats, they get

956
00:46:16.440 --> 00:46:19.400
<v Speaker 3>people ripping on them on social media. He said, you know,

957
00:46:19.480 --> 00:46:21.800
<v Speaker 3>what the hell what they're there? What are we doing?

958
00:46:22.000 --> 00:46:23.719
<v Speaker 3>You know, what are we doing? And I agree with that,

959
00:46:23.760 --> 00:46:25.480
<v Speaker 3>and we all agree with that. Of course, you know

960
00:46:25.559 --> 00:46:29.760
<v Speaker 3>that that shouldn't be happening, but it does. All he saw,

961
00:46:30.119 --> 00:46:32.800
<v Speaker 3>It's happened here, it happened. It happens everywhere. You know,

962
00:46:32.840 --> 00:46:35.360
<v Speaker 3>these guys are out there playing and these these fans,

963
00:46:35.480 --> 00:46:38.840
<v Speaker 3>you know, lose their minds, uh, you know, over these

964
00:46:38.920 --> 00:46:42.239
<v Speaker 3>over these games, and they do stupid stuff like that.

965
00:46:42.280 --> 00:46:45.039
<v Speaker 6>And you put somebody like Umar Bellow or whoever it

966
00:46:45.119 --> 00:46:45.400
<v Speaker 6>might be.

967
00:46:45.760 --> 00:46:50.079
<v Speaker 3>You know, the the UFA kicker in twenty fourteen, you know,

968
00:46:50.239 --> 00:46:51.840
<v Speaker 3>got death threats because he missed the field goal that

969
00:46:51.840 --> 00:46:54.159
<v Speaker 3>would have beat.

970
00:46:52.360 --> 00:46:55.920
<v Speaker 6>The Casey Scyrn, And you go, what the hell are

971
00:46:55.960 --> 00:46:56.360
<v Speaker 6>we doing.

972
00:46:56.639 --> 00:47:00.559
<v Speaker 2>And and here here's and I totally agree with not right,

973
00:47:00.679 --> 00:47:04.960
<v Speaker 2>it's not what should be happening. Uh, there's this is

974
00:47:05.000 --> 00:47:07.719
<v Speaker 2>a small butt here. Uh, these guys got paid a

975
00:47:07.840 --> 00:47:10.719
<v Speaker 2>ton of money. You got one point too reportedly, blah

976
00:47:10.719 --> 00:47:13.159
<v Speaker 2>blah blah. And not that they deserve this, because they

977
00:47:13.159 --> 00:47:17.039
<v Speaker 2>don't deserve this. But much where much as given, yeap

978
00:47:17.239 --> 00:47:20.440
<v Speaker 2>much as is expected. You know that phrase, not for

979
00:47:20.480 --> 00:47:23.599
<v Speaker 2>death threats, not for you know, your life, but lots

980
00:47:23.599 --> 00:47:25.079
<v Speaker 2>of expected to win some games.

981
00:47:25.119 --> 00:47:27.039
<v Speaker 3>Well, you know, Steve, you saw me get in a

982
00:47:27.079 --> 00:47:29.760
<v Speaker 3>little tit for tat with a with a local with

983
00:47:29.800 --> 00:47:30.840
<v Speaker 3>a local guy on Twitter.

984
00:47:31.000 --> 00:47:33.440
<v Speaker 6>Oh yeah, yeah, this week for the for the very

985
00:47:33.519 --> 00:47:34.039
<v Speaker 6>same thing.

986
00:47:34.679 --> 00:47:39.440
<v Speaker 3>This this this local guy who shall remain nameless because

987
00:47:39.440 --> 00:47:40.199
<v Speaker 3>I'm not gonna give.

988
00:47:40.079 --> 00:47:42.239
<v Speaker 6>Him the the.

989
00:47:41.599 --> 00:47:42.760
<v Speaker 2>Platform, the platform.

990
00:47:43.199 --> 00:47:45.719
<v Speaker 3>But went on and ripped the kid that's not even

991
00:47:45.719 --> 00:47:48.840
<v Speaker 3>here anymore, right, ripped on Kylin Boswell who's playing at

992
00:47:48.880 --> 00:47:52.800
<v Speaker 3>Illinois completely off of our radar. Who cares what Kylin

993
00:47:52.880 --> 00:47:54.760
<v Speaker 3>ball Aswell is doing? And yet he went on social

994
00:47:54.800 --> 00:47:57.639
<v Speaker 3>media and shredded the kid. And what are we doing?

995
00:47:57.920 --> 00:47:59.280
<v Speaker 3>Why do we need to do that?

996
00:47:59.800 --> 00:48:00.159
<v Speaker 2>Right?

997
00:48:00.559 --> 00:48:04.639
<v Speaker 3>And it's stupid, it's stupid, it's childish. It's immature, and

998
00:48:04.639 --> 00:48:08.679
<v Speaker 3>it's and it's ridiculous that people do this, And I

999
00:48:08.800 --> 00:48:11.599
<v Speaker 3>get it. Colum Buzz was probably making a good amount

1000
00:48:11.639 --> 00:48:14.239
<v Speaker 3>of change over there, as is Umar at Indiana, as

1001
00:48:14.320 --> 00:48:19.599
<v Speaker 3>is Caleb Love probably here and whatever. That increases the

1002
00:48:19.679 --> 00:48:23.199
<v Speaker 3>volume on what you can do or say. But in

1003
00:48:23.280 --> 00:48:28.760
<v Speaker 3>the end, there's still college athletes and they're not thirty

1004
00:48:28.840 --> 00:48:33.800
<v Speaker 3>year old NBA players, and you need to if you

1005
00:48:33.840 --> 00:48:36.960
<v Speaker 3>want to be critical about how they play, fine, But

1006
00:48:37.000 --> 00:48:39.800
<v Speaker 3>if you're going to rip them on their lifestyle and

1007
00:48:39.840 --> 00:48:43.079
<v Speaker 3>those things, you're a loser, as simple as that. You're

1008
00:48:43.119 --> 00:48:46.840
<v Speaker 3>a loser, very simple, no other way to put it.

1009
00:48:47.199 --> 00:48:50.880
<v Speaker 3>And we've got a guy here who's a loser. There

1010
00:48:50.920 --> 00:48:54.599
<v Speaker 3>you go, I had I had to go there. People say,

1011
00:48:54.599 --> 00:48:56.480
<v Speaker 3>what the heck's going on? Yeah, but no, I hear you.

1012
00:48:57.000 --> 00:48:59.960
<v Speaker 3>But you're to your point. Steve umar Bell shouldn't have

1013
00:49:00.159 --> 00:49:03.719
<v Speaker 3>take that, but neither should Kevin Durant or James Harden

1014
00:49:04.199 --> 00:49:06.360
<v Speaker 3>or or Steph Curry or anybody else.

1015
00:49:06.719 --> 00:49:10.119
<v Speaker 2>Sure, and just what the proficiency of gambling now or

1016
00:49:10.159 --> 00:49:13.320
<v Speaker 2>the luxury of the week we were offered whatever to do.

1017
00:49:13.440 --> 00:49:17.000
<v Speaker 2>That's not the right word. It's all commonplace now. Sure,

1018
00:49:17.119 --> 00:49:19.079
<v Speaker 2>And some guy loses ten bucks and he's pissed.

1019
00:49:19.159 --> 00:49:21.280
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, or some guy has a bad game and now

1020
00:49:21.280 --> 00:49:24.840
<v Speaker 3>he's shaving points, you know, and and and accusations start flying,

1021
00:49:25.119 --> 00:49:27.400
<v Speaker 3>you know, like that as well, just you know some

1022
00:49:27.480 --> 00:49:30.199
<v Speaker 3>of the you know, the look everything is ramped up

1023
00:49:30.360 --> 00:49:33.360
<v Speaker 3>as far as that stuff goes because of all of.

1024
00:49:33.239 --> 00:49:36.840
<v Speaker 2>That, right, and social media is what it is these days. Yeah,

1025
00:49:36.920 --> 00:49:39.440
<v Speaker 2>you and I said that today. I mean, people just

1026
00:49:39.480 --> 00:49:42.679
<v Speaker 2>post some crazy stuff like last night at your halftime,

1027
00:49:42.880 --> 00:49:45.519
<v Speaker 2>I'm giving up on this team. They're very inconsistent. I mean,

1028
00:49:45.760 --> 00:49:47.360
<v Speaker 2>why do you have to fire up the phone or

1029
00:49:47.400 --> 00:49:49.159
<v Speaker 2>fire up the computer to say that? Just go to

1030
00:49:49.199 --> 00:49:50.800
<v Speaker 2>the yell at the TV, or go.

1031
00:49:50.760 --> 00:49:53.320
<v Speaker 3>Have those conversations with your panels on a on a

1032
00:49:53.360 --> 00:49:56.159
<v Speaker 3>text thread or something. You know, I'm gonna I have

1033
00:49:56.199 --> 00:49:58.199
<v Speaker 3>told you before, I'm gonna text thread with ten guys,

1034
00:49:58.239 --> 00:50:00.639
<v Speaker 3>well eleven. Now we added a guy. There's eleven of

1035
00:50:00.719 --> 00:50:04.400
<v Speaker 3>us on this thread. And it's fun because you're watching

1036
00:50:04.440 --> 00:50:07.159
<v Speaker 3>the game. I'm watching game in my living room. There's

1037
00:50:07.199 --> 00:50:09.639
<v Speaker 3>nobody else with me except my wife. We're watching the game,

1038
00:50:10.000 --> 00:50:14.519
<v Speaker 3>but I'm having this ongoing conversation about the game with

1039
00:50:14.719 --> 00:50:16.639
<v Speaker 3>ten other guys, and it's great.

1040
00:50:16.880 --> 00:50:19.559
<v Speaker 2>What they say all the same.

1041
00:50:19.960 --> 00:50:22.519
<v Speaker 3>We're just talking about plays, you know, you know, O

1042
00:50:22.679 --> 00:50:26.679
<v Speaker 3>Delli hit a three, unbelievable, you know, kJ Lewis hit

1043
00:50:26.719 --> 00:50:29.639
<v Speaker 3>a three, you know, or you know, will somebody please

1044
00:50:29.760 --> 00:50:32.960
<v Speaker 3>cover number five? You know those kinds of It's it's

1045
00:50:33.000 --> 00:50:35.639
<v Speaker 3>like if we were sitting next to each other at

1046
00:50:35.639 --> 00:50:38.079
<v Speaker 3>a bar, or in seats at the game or whatever.

1047
00:50:38.159 --> 00:50:39.239
<v Speaker 6>We're having that conversation.

1048
00:50:39.960 --> 00:50:42.880
<v Speaker 2>The good thing is that's within eleven people, not the

1049
00:50:42.920 --> 00:50:43.840
<v Speaker 2>rest of the world.

1050
00:50:43.760 --> 00:50:46.239
<v Speaker 6>Right, and that's where you go have those conversations.

1051
00:50:47.239 --> 00:50:50.039
<v Speaker 2>We see the same game, we see the same look.

1052
00:50:50.719 --> 00:50:52.679
<v Speaker 6>I wished a heart attack on somebody last night.

1053
00:50:52.760 --> 00:50:59.880
<v Speaker 2>Okay, it was above the eleven of us.

1054
00:51:00.320 --> 00:51:01.800
<v Speaker 6>I didn't put it out on social media.

1055
00:51:01.880 --> 00:51:05.119
<v Speaker 2>Let me explain that to me, explain that's a little different.

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<v Speaker 6>Definitely is a little different. He's not bitter.

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<v Speaker 3>He's not bitter, Steve, you know what, and pretty much

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<v Speaker 3>every game I'm wishing for a career ending injury or

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<v Speaker 3>or a heart attack.

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<v Speaker 2>You're a contradiction.

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<v Speaker 3>It was just a contradiction. But again, I do it

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<v Speaker 3>as if I had done it with you. I'm allowed

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<v Speaker 3>to do that.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure you've given me a heart attack or two.

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<v Speaker 6>You know it's it's it's different. I didn't put it

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<v Speaker 6>out on social media.

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<v Speaker 2>You know that's okay, forgive me, father, but I did

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<v Speaker 2>not put social small. Okay. We got about a minute, yeah, thirty,

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<v Speaker 2>it to myself. Right, you'll go to heaven. Maybe not

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<v Speaker 2>all the way. You just had that direction. Okay. We

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<v Speaker 2>got to go come backt breaking news, a lot of it.

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<v Speaker 2>And then we're gonna have your guy from Texas Tech.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, we're gonna have Nathan Grice from the Lubbock Avalanche

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<v Speaker 3>Journal beat right covering Texas the game.

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<v Speaker 6>They'll preview the game Tony
