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Speaker 2: Good afternoon, everybody. Welcome to Iron the Ball here on
Speaker 2: Fox Sports fourteen fifty. I'm Steve Rivero in with me today,
Speaker 2: my Friday guy, Jay Gonzalez, not Jack, happy to be
Speaker 2: here man, and my usual Friday guy. So the problem
Speaker 2: the program shouldn't have any issues. Fresh from Cabo.
Speaker 3: What kind of wearing a T shirt, shorts and flip
Speaker 3: flops on a cold day, freezing day.
Speaker 2: Well, he doesn't know any better. He's a college student
Speaker 2: and he's from New York. This was like baal me July.
Speaker 2: Did you learn any Spanish? No said vessai no gracia. Hey,
Speaker 2: welcome back, Welcome back, Henry mister man cool. Hey. Look,
Speaker 2: big game last night, right, I think they I thought,
Speaker 2: just review, real quick review, Jay, they.
Speaker 3: Played pretty well, they played really well. Here here's and
Speaker 3: here's the thing is that what you know, my analysis
Speaker 3: of my post came analysis was that this was a
Speaker 3: game where you know, at halftime, Arizona's up eight. I
Speaker 3: think at halftime you know they're shoot they're starting to
Speaker 3: shoot the lights out. And things are and you're trying
Speaker 3: your bill self, and I'm going, what is he picked
Speaker 3: to stop? Because everybody was everybody was doing something right,
Speaker 3: you know, everybody was in on it all the way
Speaker 3: from kJ making kJ Lewis making.
Speaker 2: A three pointer and stuff. Everybody was in on it.
Speaker 3: And if your bill self and you're trying to figure
Speaker 3: out what to do in the second half, you really
Speaker 3: don't have you really had nowhere to go.
Speaker 2: But he did have he did. They came back the lead,
Speaker 2: and they Dickinson kind of just fell apart. I had
Speaker 2: a couple of bunnies that he made.
Speaker 3: He did and then uh, what's the name, Dwan? What's
Speaker 3: uh Dwan? Harrison? The other guy, Zeke Mayo just thought,
Speaker 3: you know, at the in the last ten minutes, couldn't
Speaker 3: you know, couldn't make any more baskets. And but yet
Speaker 3: and Arizona just kept doing what Arizona did. They just
Speaker 3: stuck to whatever their plan was. You know, I talked about,
Speaker 3: you know, you know, on the thread that I was
Speaker 3: with some guys. I just said, first of all, Henry's
Speaker 3: having the game of his life defensively and offensively. I
Speaker 3: know he didn't have a season Hines a current Hindes scoring,
Speaker 3: but he put up nineteen points. Then I got to
Speaker 3: the end of the game and I looked at the
Speaker 3: box room and said, when did kJ Lewis get nine points?
Speaker 2: He was aggressive. He was not taking shots, which he
Speaker 2: doesn't need to, but when he's aggressive to the basket.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: No.
Speaker 2: The thing about it, it was sprinkled with everybody, one of
Speaker 2: those sprinkled games, and Henry was all you needs from
Speaker 2: Henry's exactly what he got. Yeah, even from Caleb. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he didn't screw it up.
Speaker 3: Right, he didn't. Yeah, he didn't try to do too much.
Speaker 3: He did what worked he got you know, Yeah, he
Speaker 3: got eleven points. He had he hit a three, he
Speaker 3: had a very key three, as I recall, it was
Speaker 3: an important three. And then he just did other things.
Speaker 3: He had a couple of steals, he had six assists,
Speaker 3: and and and things, and you know, uh, you know.
Speaker 3: I made this the comment that if this is who
Speaker 3: they are, well that's gonna be hard to be. That's
Speaker 3: the whole thing. If we don't know. Yeah, but I
Speaker 3: mean if they can keep playing just like they played
Speaker 3: last night, and by that I mean everybody in on it,
Speaker 3: they'll be They're heard out.
Speaker 6: Now I'm not.
Speaker 3: Saying they can beat you know that that they'll well,
Speaker 3: but they're gonna be a heart out.
Speaker 2: We'll find out tonight with another I think a better
Speaker 2: team than he Bill. This is two years in row
Speaker 2: where it almost looks like the team is just like,
Speaker 2: let's get the hell out. You know, they didn't play
Speaker 2: very healthy or whatever the word is, you know, dignifies
Speaker 2: that the word too, they like inspired.
Speaker 3: There came a time in the second half when you
Speaker 3: felt like they it looked like they felt they were
Speaker 3: beating their heads on the wall and nothing was happening.
Speaker 6: They weren't closing the gap.
Speaker 3: After they had they had the lead, Arizona got it
Speaker 3: back and went up by seven pretty quickly after that,
Speaker 3: and and it looked like the cansit got you know,
Speaker 3: we've done all this stuff, you know, we're you know,
Speaker 3: we're draining all these threes and and we're still losing.
Speaker 3: And then you felt they got they looked a little discouraged.
Speaker 2: So so now they move on to play Texas Tech
Speaker 2: and we'll take some calls on this game tonight. We're
Speaker 2: going to have Texas Tech beat writer or one of
Speaker 2: our usual Nathan Grice Nathan Greis. He's at the at
Speaker 2: the event, so he'll talk to us at four fifteen.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you think this, because I know
Speaker 2: you're busy working. Do this game. To me, the game
Speaker 2: of the year that I can remember very well is
Speaker 2: the Texas Tech game. When they played here, Arizona played
Speaker 2: out of their mind physically. Henry, were you at the.
Speaker 6: Game, Yeah, I thought that was their best performance.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because they had to play Toll, they had to
Speaker 2: play They showed up and played Toll.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 2: How many times have you said that in your lifetime?
Speaker 3: But in Arizona we said it again last night, right,
Speaker 3: that they were that they were really tough, and and
Speaker 3: that's you know, that's what struck me is you know
Speaker 3: this is this was a game that if you're an
Speaker 3: Arizona fan, you've experienced this game a lot of you know,
Speaker 3: a lot a lot, whether in football or basketball, and
Speaker 3: Arizona almost always loses, right a game where it's in
Speaker 3: the spotlight, right they you know, they're it's a national game,
Speaker 3: it's a bit, it's a conference, it's Kansas, it's in
Speaker 3: a hostile environment. It was all these things that have
Speaker 3: always added up to a loss for Arizona, and they
Speaker 3: won this game, and it was because they were tough.
Speaker 6: Steve.
Speaker 2: So let me let me say this to given what
Speaker 2: you know in your history and my history covering the team,
Speaker 2: I said yesterday before the game that they were going
Speaker 2: to win the game because it's hard to beat Arizona twice,
Speaker 2: especially back to back. Right, Yeah, but Arizona historically shows
Speaker 2: up when they have to. Last night, they had to.
Speaker 2: They had just to kind of to prove that they're
Speaker 2: still around. Tonight tonight, they don't have to, but they
Speaker 2: might if they win this game. They might have to,
Speaker 2: if they might against Houston. But you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 2: they find everyone's always found a way until they find
Speaker 2: a better team.
Speaker 3: Right, I mean they they I don't know. To me,
Speaker 3: the reason they won that game was just because of that,
Speaker 3: right they just said, you know, you know, we we've
Speaker 3: got something, Warriors go.
Speaker 2: We've got a lot to prove, right right still still, yeah,
Speaker 2: we got a call real quick below you're on the
Speaker 2: air and one the ball. Who's this is Brian? How's
Speaker 2: it going, Brian? Hey, your buddy Jay's I know, I know.
Speaker 4: Jay's on vacation again. Let's be spring breaks.
Speaker 2: He's got no flip fups on what's going on.
Speaker 4: Brian, Well, that was a great game last.
Speaker 7: Night, you know, But I think the hardest part is
Speaker 7: we haven't seen it such a long time, and they
Speaker 7: do this two games in a row.
Speaker 2: Yeah, let me ask both of you guys. So you're
Speaker 2: watching the game and they had a ten point lead,
Speaker 2: twelve point lead midway through the first half. Are you thinking, Okay,
Speaker 2: when's the collapse going to happen?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 3: I wasn't. I was thinking. I was thinking a collapse.
Speaker 3: I thought I was sure Kansas was going to come back. Okay,
Speaker 3: and they did because they're Kansas, right. Okay, what about you, Brian?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm the same way.
Speaker 7: And you know, you get the.
Speaker 4: Lead, the big lead early.
Speaker 7: In the game, and we're just han't had a hard
Speaker 7: time most of the year putting people away. Yeah, no
Speaker 7: matter what part of the game, it is.
Speaker 2: Right, that's why.
Speaker 4: And this team is like.
Speaker 7: Jacqueline Hyde, I mean, a great one game.
Speaker 4: And we don't know what's gonna shoow. That's what makes
Speaker 4: it so.
Speaker 7: I get so much fun this year. We have no
Speaker 7: idea what's going to happen tonight.
Speaker 3: But but what I saw was that when Kansas came
Speaker 3: back at them as we as I thought they would,
Speaker 3: right as I thought they would, it you know that
Speaker 3: that they just said no.
Speaker 2: Well, well let me ask you, because Brian, you said
Speaker 2: the word fun, and that's what makes this season fun.
Speaker 2: Some people are saying frustrating, that's why it makes this
Speaker 2: season frustrating.
Speaker 4: Well, it's a whole different league. I mean, it's not
Speaker 4: the kind of basketball we're used to the last twenty
Speaker 4: five years, right, you know. I mean where you have
Speaker 4: a conference where instead.
Speaker 7: Of you know, three or four really tough games and
Speaker 7: eight cupcakes are not really cupcakes, but teams aren't that good.
Speaker 7: Where you have fourteen or fifteen really good teams. I
Speaker 7: mean that can beat anybody any night, and you better
Speaker 7: play your best game when you come out every night.
Speaker 7: You're going to have a long season.
Speaker 6: I made the mistake of going to social media at halftime.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and people are going, we're soft, We're not playing well,
Speaker 3: We're terrible. We got to I'm like, does everybody know
Speaker 3: Arizona is up on Kansas by eight right now?
Speaker 6: Do we know that?
Speaker 3: You know the people were complaining about after they beat Baylor.
Speaker 2: Jay we talked about this all the time, and Brian,
Speaker 2: you're more pragmatically than most. How the fans just don't
Speaker 2: They've got to get used to this. They just don't get.
Speaker 7: Out, you know, and this is the way.
Speaker 4: But you know, we've always complained about oh gosh, you know,
Speaker 4: go to.
Speaker 7: The games, you go, oh, I got playing you know,
Speaker 7: col and they're not any good, and we beat them
Speaker 7: by thirty, you.
Speaker 4: Know, and it just doesn't happen, and he d not.
Speaker 7: In this conference, we're not going to have those kind
Speaker 7: of games. I mean, even games we've watched, we really haven't.
Speaker 7: Maybe a one or two we've played really bad and
Speaker 7: got blown out, but otherwise we.
Speaker 4: Have been in most every game we.
Speaker 7: Have played, it could have gone either way, and.
Speaker 4: Even some of the wins that could have gone either way.
Speaker 7: And we've had to fight, you know, just to get
Speaker 7: those wins. And I think I think, you know, Tommy Lloyd,
Speaker 7: I thought he did a good job sitting.
Speaker 4: At lineup left. I thought they played well.
Speaker 7: He got him ready. And I don't think people should
Speaker 7: be complaining at all at all.
Speaker 6: Let me let me put it this way.
Speaker 3: In in all of Arizona's packed twelve conference tournaments, have
Speaker 3: they ever played a better team in their first game
Speaker 3: of the tournament.
Speaker 6: No ever, never, no, no, not not one time.
Speaker 2: No No. That's a good point, right, There were sixth
Speaker 2: in their league.
Speaker 3: That's all you need to know is that Kansas finished
Speaker 3: sixth in the league. Kansas, not Washington State, not Oregon State, Kansas.
Speaker 6: So fans have got to get used to this.
Speaker 4: No's can be very very physical.
Speaker 6: Arizona is seeded to lose this game to it, aren't they?
Speaker 2: Well, aren't they?
Speaker 3: Texas is the two seed. Arizona is a three seed. Henry,
Speaker 3: what's the what's the spread? You know, Arizona one and
Speaker 3: a half by seed? Arizona's supposed to lose today.
Speaker 2: What's like half their favorite or dog?
Speaker 6: Texas ticked by one and a half?
Speaker 2: Just stick by what half? I'll tell you. I mean,
Speaker 2: come on, the man handled them in Lubbock and there
Speaker 2: was a great game here. So we'll see what happens.
Speaker 2: They'll have to be tough again. They'll have to be
Speaker 2: tough again.
Speaker 6: But I think they are. The question is will they
Speaker 6: show it again?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Well that's the whole thing. That's the that's the fun
Speaker 2: word for Brian or the frustrating part for other people.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 7: And also one thing to I said before, I thought,
Speaker 7: because you were asking about what's one player that could
Speaker 7: make the big difference, you know a few weeks ago
Speaker 7: you were asking that, I said, kJ.
Speaker 2: Lewis, Yeah, and he did last night.
Speaker 7: He had a great game last night.
Speaker 2: The funny thing about Bridan Bryant, and I asked that
Speaker 2: question of all you guys, including Jay here with the
Speaker 2: X factor type of thing that any one of those
Speaker 2: dudes could do, be that.
Speaker 3: X factor any one of them each team, right.
Speaker 2: Right, Okay, thanks Brian, thanks for the call. Okay, I
Speaker 2: appreciate it. Yeah, And that's the whole thing, because you
Speaker 2: know what last night they had a little big X,
Speaker 2: little X, a bunch of little exit.
Speaker 6: All over the place.
Speaker 3: You know, I mean you talked, you know, Trey Townsend
Speaker 3: had a you know, did some really great stuff. Uh
Speaker 3: you felt like, uh, jayde and Bradley just handled the
Speaker 3: ball really well all night.
Speaker 6: You know, A Walker got some you know, got some.
Speaker 3: Tough scorel also hit a couple of baskets and you know,
Speaker 3: made a couple of nice passes.
Speaker 6: I mean it was just.
Speaker 3: They were all over the board, all over the place,
Speaker 3: doing good stuff. You know, from from top to bottom
Speaker 3: in the in the rotation because of what.
Speaker 2: Happened last night. I think I said, uh, they've got
Speaker 2: a five seats, sure, for sure, I think they've got
Speaker 2: a four seat.
Speaker 6: I think they got a four seat now, which is which.
Speaker 2: Is very more? Is better off? Obviously right? Comfortable? More comfortable. Yeah,
Speaker 2: So we'll see what happens. Okay, anymore, no more college there, Okay, Okay,
Speaker 2: we're gonna have UH for the real even in about
Speaker 2: a minute. So we're gonna have UH for the three seventeen.
Speaker 2: We're gonna have a guy from UH, Howard Howard magdall.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 3: He's a He's an author of a book called Rare Gems.
Speaker 3: It's called Rare Gems how four generations of women helped
Speaker 3: pave the way for the w n b A. It's
Speaker 3: a book that I happened to read because I'm a
Speaker 3: moderating a panel at the Festival Books on Sunday, where
Speaker 3: Howard is going to be there. I guess you had
Speaker 3: earlier in the week Russ Bradbert Bird and then Jack
Speaker 3: McCallum the sport The former sports illustrated writer H. McCallum
Speaker 3: did a book on the history of UH of basketball,
Speaker 3: uh in in in Indiana from the from the standpoint
Speaker 3: of oscarbertson you know, growing up through that time. And
Speaker 3: then Rus Bradford did a really funny interesting Yeah I
Speaker 3: read them all, a really funny and interesting novel.
Speaker 6: Believe it or not, I read them all.
Speaker 2: You don't read min what the hell?
Speaker 6: Get on a panel and I'll read it.
Speaker 3: But Russ Bradford did a did a novel on It
Speaker 3: was a pretty funny. It was pretty It was funny,
Speaker 3: but kind of telling because you read it and you
Speaker 3: go that can happen? He said, well, wait, maybe it can.
Speaker 3: You know about about a university that takes on a
Speaker 3: corporate sponsorship and now athletics takes over the university.
Speaker 6: But it was a really interesting read.
Speaker 4: It.
Speaker 3: So all three of very interesting reads and so good stuff.
Speaker 3: So Howard Magdal's going to join us in this first thing.
Speaker 2: Okay, so let's go to that because he's on the road,
Speaker 2: I think coming in now. So we'll take a break
Speaker 2: and get a hold of him.
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Speaker 1: on the Ball with Steve Rovera on Fox Sports fourteen fifty.
Speaker 2: Hey, welcome back to my in the Ball gre on
Speaker 2: Fox Sports fourteen fifty. I'm Steve Rivera. You're a Jaganzala
Speaker 2: that one. So we have author Howard Mindel. Author, give
Speaker 2: me the title of the book.
Speaker 4: Howard, Rare Gems Baseball Comrade and coming Caitlin Parks coming
Speaker 4: out in June.
Speaker 2: Nice. Nice, You're a busy man, Howard.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 2: You're already in Arizona, right. I hear you're enjoying a
Speaker 2: nice game today.
Speaker 4: I'm enjoying too, nice Dames today, Guardians versus the Mariners,
Speaker 4: the regular and then the spring breakout game is coming
Speaker 4: a little bit so absolutely delightful to be back in
Speaker 4: the baseball field.
Speaker 3: Well, Howard, this is Jagonzalez. It's good to talk to you.
Speaker 3: We've exchanged some emails. I'll be moderating your panel on Sunday.
Speaker 3: And Uh, just finished your book a few days ago
Speaker 3: and was fascinated by by the history. It's uh, it's
Speaker 3: a it's called Rare Gems. How four generations of women
Speaker 3: help pave the way for the w NBA. I had
Speaker 3: no idea there was that much history, right, And I
Speaker 3: think that's probably the point of writing the book. Tell
Speaker 3: us a little bit about you know, how you came
Speaker 3: to this, why, why why.
Speaker 6: You did this?
Speaker 4: I will and Jay thank you for the time words.
Speaker 4: I can't wait for our panel on Sunday. That that's
Speaker 4: at ten am.
Speaker 6: Is that right, right ten o'clock in the morning.
Speaker 3: Books Those who want to go to it, it's at
Speaker 3: the Integrated Learning Center, Room one fifty.
Speaker 6: But you'll you'll be one of three authors on the panel.
Speaker 4: Really excited about that, And yeah, to your point, Rare Gems,
Speaker 4: it speaks to a history that quite frankly, people do
Speaker 4: not talk about, a hidden history when it comes to
Speaker 4: women's basketball. It's very easy to look at the current
Speaker 4: moment in the explosion of popularity in the game and
Speaker 4: miss out that if we did not have the trailblazers
Speaker 4: that we did going back in the case of this
Speaker 4: story sixty years and the taste of becoming Camplin Clark
Speaker 4: one hundred years, women's basketball will not be where it
Speaker 4: is today. A woman named PEPs Newman is somebody who
Speaker 4: I first encountered in twenty seventeen. Got to know her
Speaker 4: well and to understand that what PEPs Newman did grew
Speaker 4: the game in places it did not exist. PEPs Newman
Speaker 4: decided in high school that there needed to be high
Speaker 4: school girls' basketball, and there had been fifty years where
Speaker 4: that was simply not happening. And the net result is
Speaker 4: that she was able to create games between high schools
Speaker 4: and helped pave the way for a return to high
Speaker 4: school varsity basketball in Minnesota. She was told by her
Speaker 4: principal that she should not even dream of being a
Speaker 4: professional basketball player. Well, so she turned around, created a
Speaker 4: team and for twenty five years, her team, Barnstorm, playing
Speaker 4: against men, finished in the black every single year and
Speaker 4: helped multiple generations see that women could play professional basketball
Speaker 4: long before there was even a WNBA. And so those
Speaker 4: two things, right, the fact that there's a history and
Speaker 4: there's incredible links between the generations who have built this
Speaker 4: sport really got me to the point where I simply
Speaker 4: needed to write a book about it.
Speaker 2: So according to your picture to me, you're a young man,
Speaker 2: I want to say forty two.
Speaker 4: Maybe good guests just turned forty five.
Speaker 2: Okay, so WNBA twenty five, thirty years ago. Now, when
Speaker 2: night first came out, what were you thinking?
Speaker 4: I was saying, it was something new, it was something exciting.
Speaker 4: I had no idea the ways in which it would
Speaker 4: ultimately enrich my life to be able to cover it.
Speaker 4: But you're right, I mean I am probably the last generation.
Speaker 4: I'm I certainly believe the last generation will ever grow
Speaker 4: up with women's professional basketball not just being an assumption
Speaker 4: and understand it. And so you know that is that
Speaker 4: creates with the certain challenges that the WNBA no longer
Speaker 4: has to face. As much as there are many, it
Speaker 4: still does so hard.
Speaker 6: You're also a Title nine advocate.
Speaker 3: You have you have a newsletter a lot of things
Speaker 3: involving women's athletics and particularly women's basketball.
Speaker 6: Where did that interest come from?
Speaker 4: Well, I'm glad you mentioned and anyone who's interested in
Speaker 4: women's basketball specifically should subscribe to the Next It's the
Speaker 4: Next Troops dot com. It is a newsroom. We have
Speaker 4: over seventy pieces already in the month of March by
Speaker 4: our incredible team. The nine newsletter covers six different women's sports.
Speaker 4: It captures the connection between those sports and that's at
Speaker 4: thchgixsports dot com. Where it comes from for me is
Speaker 4: simply that I have been in this business now for
Speaker 4: twenty years and I've had the privilege of being able
Speaker 4: to cover both men's and women's sports. I'd love to
Speaker 4: do both, but you cannot help but see this enormous
Speaker 4: chasm between how men's sports is covered and how women's
Speaker 4: sports is covered, and so much, as I've said, as
Speaker 4: I love to be at a baseball stadium, getting the
Speaker 4: opportunity to go and cover and shine a light on
Speaker 4: the stories of women's sports or something that just became
Speaker 4: more and more of an imperative for me the more
Speaker 4: I was in this business.
Speaker 2: I'm sure you've gotten a lot of compliments one and
Speaker 2: a lot of readership because of what you do, especially
Speaker 2: from college basketball coaches and the like.
Speaker 4: It's been a funny thing because yes, it's true, and
Speaker 4: on the women's basketball side, there are any number of
Speaker 4: coaches and players to say thank you, you know, for
Speaker 4: I don't mean just to me, but to reporters who
Speaker 4: do this in general, thank you for the coverage. And
Speaker 4: I have always said, you know, I've been privileged to
Speaker 4: cover the NBA through the years as well, and I've
Speaker 4: never had I've never seen Lebron James or Steph Curry
Speaker 4: or Kevin Durant say hey, we just want to thank
Speaker 4: you for shining a lighte on men's basketball. And so
Speaker 4: I believe one of the metrics of equality is when
Speaker 4: we reach that point where it is a given for
Speaker 4: women's basketball the way it is for men's basketball. There's
Speaker 4: been growth. I'm really proud of our team and what
Speaker 4: we do, but there's still a long way to go.
Speaker 3: So this is how I'm sorry, Howard. We're talking to
Speaker 3: Howard megdal from who's going to be here at the
Speaker 3: Tucson Festival of Books.
Speaker 6: Howard's got two panels.
Speaker 3: He's going to be on one on Breaking Barriers Saturday
Speaker 3: at four o'clock with two other authors, and then the
Speaker 3: one that I'll be moderating at ten o'clock in the
Speaker 3: morning on Sunday. It's on sports and culture, and it
Speaker 3: just gives a sense of what that is. You know,
Speaker 3: your book is about you know, women and now athletics
Speaker 3: and particularly basketball.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 3: Jack McCallum, Sports Illustrated writer did a piece on not
Speaker 3: a piece of book on the history of basketball in
Speaker 3: Indiana U through the Eyes using Oscar Robertson's experience. And
Speaker 3: then the third book is by Russ Bradbert, who was
Speaker 3: on the show earlier this week and is do and
Speaker 3: did a novel about college athletic a novel by college
Speaker 3: athletics and kind of kind of talking about the power
Speaker 3: of college athletics among the universities.
Speaker 2: So it's sort of we're going to talk about you know.
Speaker 3: Money, power, women, race, all those things in this panel,
Speaker 3: but your your.
Speaker 6: Your book, Howard.
Speaker 3: You know what what fascinated me was how you were
Speaker 3: able to compile it all and really give us a
Speaker 3: roadmap as to how things developed, you know, from the
Speaker 3: standpoint of Minnesota and the and the impact that had
Speaker 3: on the development of the of the w n b A.
Speaker 3: You know, there were all these women basketball players that
Speaker 3: we all heard of, but I don't think we all
Speaker 3: ever really understood each little piece of what they did
Speaker 3: and how it got us to where now there's a
Speaker 3: Caitlin Clark and there's an Angel Reese and those kinds
Speaker 3: of personalities.
Speaker 6: Now in this.
Speaker 4: Sport, it's fascinating because you see the endgame, but you
Speaker 4: don't necessarily see the process and the fact that if
Speaker 4: you take any link out, we don't end up the
Speaker 4: destination that we're at t right, And I'm excited we'll
Speaker 4: get to talk about this on Sunday, about the fact
Speaker 4: that you cannot separate the culture from the sport. It's
Speaker 4: simply an impossibility. I'm excited about the Saturday as you
Speaker 4: mentioned as at four o'clock as well, The Great PJ.
Speaker 4: Brown is going to be moderating that one Mire and
Speaker 4: Fader is going to be the Melissa Looky so really
Speaker 4: going to have a lot of discussion again centering around
Speaker 4: the fact that you know Melissa's case, she is a
Speaker 4: sports writer and a woman, a pioneer in sports writing,
Speaker 4: who had to fight her way into the clubhouse, you know,
Speaker 4: to be able to just tell these stories and again,
Speaker 4: you know, all of these barriers to why people didn't
Speaker 4: get access to being able to follow women's basketball the
Speaker 4: way they have been able to take, for granted men's
Speaker 4: festiball for a very long time. Goes a long way
Speaker 4: towards explaining the gaps you're seeing. You know, the thing
Speaker 4: that I would urge people to think about big picture
Speaker 4: when it comes to women's sports as it relates to
Speaker 4: men's sports, is focus on process, not on outcomes, because
Speaker 4: it's very easy to simply look at the outcomes and
Speaker 4: fail to understand or realize that there's a process that
Speaker 4: led directly to it, and then those outcomes are used
Speaker 4: to feed a process that the way I put it
Speaker 4: is if you water one tree every day and water
Speaker 4: another tree once a month. That first tree may grow bigger,
Speaker 4: but it doesn't mean it was a bigger tree.
Speaker 3: Right, mentioned, you're working on a book that'll be coming
Speaker 3: out on Caitlin Clark without you know, spoiling the whole thing, right,
Speaker 3: tell us a little bit about you know what, what
Speaker 3: can we expect from that?
Speaker 6: What are we going to see? Any idea? How much
Speaker 6: can you tell us?
Speaker 4: I'm happy to tell you everything. The book is available
Speaker 4: for pre order wherever you have books. I'll actually have
Speaker 4: a QR code with me at both events this weekend.
Speaker 4: Becoming Caitlin Clark is due out in June by Triumph,
Speaker 4: and it tells the story that you do not have
Speaker 4: Caitlin Clark without one hundred years of Iowa basketball. And
Speaker 4: it's remarkable to see, not just the fact that what
Speaker 4: was done in Iowa. You know, we just we talked
Speaker 4: at the top of the segment here about Pep's having
Speaker 4: to do it herself in the nineteen sixties. Well, in Iowa,
Speaker 4: you never had that gap. There has always been girls
Speaker 4: high school basketball in Iowa. And the result of that
Speaker 4: is a different level of fandom and a different kind
Speaker 4: of basketball that was being played. Both of them direct
Speaker 4: links to what Caitlin Clark does today and even better,
Speaker 4: people with a direct link. The grandmother of Jan Jensen,
Speaker 4: the current IOWA coach who worked very closely as Lisa
Speaker 4: Buder's lead assistant with Caitlin Clark, was also the star
Speaker 4: of the team that won the girls' high school championship
Speaker 4: in nineteen twenty one. So it's not a six degrees
Speaker 4: of Kevin Bacon scenario. You have people with direct impact
Speaker 4: on how the game was played that led to not
Speaker 4: just how Caitlin Clark plays it, but the way in
Speaker 4: which she has followed as a player.
Speaker 2: How many books could we kame Clark? Because I know
Speaker 2: that the USA and Dairy reporter had gotten in trouble
Speaker 2: talking about King Clark last year, right, And what was
Speaker 2: your access like for her or with her?
Speaker 4: It was great. The opportunity to talk to everyone was
Speaker 4: something that I really relished, you know, the chance to
Speaker 4: talk to not just Caitlin, but being able to talk
Speaker 4: at lengthily Blueter, who was a fundamental trailblizer who helped
Speaker 4: make this possible, you know, spending hours with her, with
Speaker 4: Jan Jensen, with those who were Caitlin Clark before she
Speaker 4: was Caitlin Clark a woman named Molly Kasmer. She was
Speaker 4: known as Molly Bowlin when she played Machine Gun Molly,
Speaker 4: and she was effectively Caitlin Clark fifty years before Caitlin.
Speaker 4: And the difference between then and now is that Molly had
Speaker 4: to take a lot of the slims and arrows that
Speaker 4: Caitlin then didn't when it came time for her to
Speaker 4: be a star, and there was a platform and a
Speaker 4: spotlight on Caitlin that Molly didn't get to enjoy because
Speaker 4: this was before the WNBA. So talking to everyone about
Speaker 4: it and digging into the Iowa Women's archives to see
Speaker 4: what material there was dating back one hundred years, it
Speaker 4: was just an absolute sheer joy for me every time.
Speaker 3: So how big of a fan now are you of
Speaker 3: the WNBA? And by that I mean, you know, do
Speaker 3: you sit down and watch the games? Do you read
Speaker 3: the box scores? You're paying attention to, you know who
Speaker 3: the players are?
Speaker 6: What kind of a fan are you of the league?
Speaker 2: Before you answer that, were you based and do you
Speaker 2: have a WNBA team in your base?
Speaker 4: These are both big questions. I'm based in Ferry Hill,
Speaker 4: New Jersey, just outside of Philadelphia. There is not yet
Speaker 4: a w NBA team in Philadelphia. The Brooklyn home of
Speaker 4: the New York Liberty is the closest one I'd like
Speaker 4: very much of the WNBA, which is considering Philadelphia to
Speaker 4: expand to Philly. I think it would be a great
Speaker 4: market for any number of reasons, not least of which
Speaker 4: might commute, but yes, other reasons as well, both in
Speaker 4: terms of popularity and financial But you know, the answer
Speaker 4: to the question, you know, and fandom is the wrong
Speaker 4: way to put it, because I cover this league, and
Speaker 4: I've covered this league for well over a decade now,
Speaker 4: But I understand what you're asking. And the easy question is,
Speaker 4: is it is compelling as can be? I find again
Speaker 4: and again and again people who have used my work
Speaker 4: as an entry point to get into the league, whether
Speaker 4: it's family or friends or people I've gotten to know.
Speaker 4: You know, there aren't a lot of people who show
Speaker 4: up who see the WNBA, who give it a chance
Speaker 4: and then walk away from them, which is right. And
Speaker 4: you see the fandom continue to get bigger and bigger,
Speaker 4: and we're seeing ratings go up. But part of that
Speaker 4: is also and it's just significant. The reason why people
Speaker 4: are watching Caitlin Clark so much is because they can.
Speaker 4: The fact that there was not every game in the
Speaker 4: NCAA tournament on the women's side available on TV until
Speaker 4: twenty twenty one. Until twenty twenty one, the fact that
Speaker 4: the NCIA did not allow its own women's tournament to
Speaker 4: use March Madness branding until it was shamed into it
Speaker 4: in twenty twenty two. You know, there are all these
Speaker 4: ways in which Caitlin Clarks is a transcendent figure who
Speaker 4: came along at a time where she was able to
Speaker 4: be viewed. But if this has happened ten years ago,
Speaker 4: it would have been Breonna Stewart. And this happened twenty
Speaker 4: years ago, it wouldn't have been And the difference is
Speaker 4: that this is a great player coming along now. And
Speaker 4: by the way, if it was forty years ago, it
Speaker 4: would have been Ann Myers Dryscale, right right, Yeah.
Speaker 2: No, great stuff. I'm gonna be at the seminars, so
Speaker 2: good to see You're gonna meet you guys, and then
Speaker 2: you'll have fun with Jay.
Speaker 6: I can't wait, Howard, I'm I'm really looking forward to this.
Speaker 4: Me too, me too, can't wait to see you guys.
Speaker 2: Enjoy the weather, enjoy the weather. We'll see you Sunday.
Speaker 4: Good thank you both.
Speaker 6: That was great.
Speaker 3: You know again, Howard Megdaal, he'll be at He'll be
Speaker 3: at two h sessions at the two festival books. The
Speaker 3: first one on Saturday at four o'clock it's called Breaking
Speaker 3: Barriers with Mirrored and Fader Melissa Luke and and Howard.
Speaker 6: That'll be moderated by PJ.
Speaker 3: Brown, the women's basketball writer from the arizon A Daily Star.
Speaker 3: And then I'll be moderating the one at ten o'clock
Speaker 3: in the morning on Sunday. It's called the title of
Speaker 3: the of the panelist Sports and Culture, Howard Mgdoll, Jack McCallum,
Speaker 3: the former Sports Illustrated writer, and Russ Bradbird, who wrote
Speaker 3: a novel.
Speaker 6: Again, you know, a fascinating novel.
Speaker 3: I would just like you read it, you go that
Speaker 3: could never happen, and then you get to the end
Speaker 3: of it and you go, that could one of those things.
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Speaker 1: on the Ball with Steve Rivera on Fox Sports fourteen fifteen.
Speaker 2: Hey, welcome back to I on the Ball here on
Speaker 2: Fox Sports fourteen fifty. You're Steve Rivera. You're Jacins also
Speaker 2: stepped inert controls. You'd like to call us five to
Speaker 2: zero four, one, six, seventy four or zero would be
Speaker 2: great to hear from you. The game in about three
Speaker 2: some hours.
Speaker 6: Yeah, six thirty or so.
Speaker 3: Right, the game started like ten till last night because
Speaker 3: the previous game ran long.
Speaker 6: But I got my got my.
Speaker 3: Lucky wishbone, family feast and sat down and last night
Speaker 3: watch a game.
Speaker 2: That's what there was a difference. Well, you you've had
Speaker 2: some kod moments already.
Speaker 6: I did.
Speaker 3: I for those of you who didn't see it. It
Speaker 3: was one of those where the game was over and
Speaker 3: a guy launches a three pointer from watches a shot
Speaker 3: from half court as the buzzer goes out. It was
Speaker 3: from a guy from Xavier launching a three pointer. The
Speaker 3: Marquette was up five, having three and a half, and
Speaker 3: he hit it, banked it in, flipped the point spread
Speaker 3: and uh uh, I had I had a pair of
Speaker 3: glasses in my hand and I had some on my
Speaker 3: cap and I had to pick both of them up
Speaker 3: off the floor.
Speaker 2: You already say I got this, I got this. I
Speaker 2: don't got no.
Speaker 3: I didn't you know, I because I watched, I said,
Speaker 3: I kind of felt it, right. I said, they've got
Speaker 3: time to get to half court and throw up a shot,
Speaker 3: and that's what they did. And that's exactly what he did.
Speaker 3: And I watched it and he made it, and I
Speaker 3: dropped my glasses and the other one fell off my hat,
Speaker 3: and I'm like, that's that's what happens.
Speaker 2: We'll see if well, I think they're gonna be in Xavier.
Speaker 2: We'll see if Sean gets in, if they are the
Speaker 2: party of play in game. Yeah, there was some thought
Speaker 2: maybe they're gonna play Arizona.
Speaker 6: Well, there was that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there was that one bracket that came out that
Speaker 3: had them that if they won the play Arizona in
Speaker 3: the second.
Speaker 2: Round, five five game game.
Speaker 4: Yea.
Speaker 2: So we'll see what happens. This is the best time
Speaker 2: of year, you know, You and I say, Friday, you
Speaker 2: and I will be having an early dinner. We had
Speaker 2: been early dinners on Fridays most of the time, not together,
Speaker 2: but you know, separate.
Speaker 18: Yeah, in Vegas. I'd be in Vegas right now, I'd
Speaker 18: be getting ready to a game. Yeah, I've been getting
Speaker 18: ready to work the semi final games. And you know
Speaker 18: it's I was, you know, talking to my wife today.
Speaker 3: We're you know, we're both working from home, and I said,
Speaker 3: you know, it's the first time in a you know,
Speaker 3: a dozen years that I've been home week of conference tournaments.
Speaker 2: This is Yeah, it's.
Speaker 3: Been kind of cool. I'd rather been at the PAC
Speaker 3: twelve tournament, but it's been fun.
Speaker 6: I've been watching the games.
Speaker 3: I feel like I know a lot more going in
Speaker 3: to do brackets and stuff you know, that are coming up,
Speaker 3: and uh, not that i think I'm going to go
Speaker 3: win anything, but I just feel like.
Speaker 6: I know more because I don't see.
Speaker 2: Well that's the tournaments. We talked about that with Dave.
Speaker 2: I think maybe earlier this week or Blake. Whatever. We
Speaker 2: go to these things, we don't get to see much
Speaker 2: of the games, right, were right?
Speaker 6: We see scores, but we don't see teams. We don't
Speaker 6: see games.
Speaker 3: You know, you don't see that, you know what Marquette
Speaker 3: looked like, or what Creighton looked like, or anybody else.
Speaker 3: I had Liberty Kennesaw State on today, you know, just
Speaker 3: because it was on, because it was on, it was
Speaker 3: after the it was after I had watched the Michigan
Speaker 3: State Oregon game, and then I was looking for another
Speaker 3: game to watch and that was on.
Speaker 6: You know, I've turned on the guy. There was a game.
Speaker 3: I turned around and I watched it, and I watched Liberty,
Speaker 3: who was getting their butts beat as the number one
Speaker 3: seed in their tournament, come back and win the game
Speaker 3: because this guy whose name I don't even know, just
Speaker 3: started raining three pointers on them and he couldn't miss see.
Speaker 2: That's you know what, Jay, I think that could be
Speaker 2: in one of Arizona's downfalls. Next week, you have these
Speaker 2: teams from Liberty, you have real idea who they are,
Speaker 2: but some dude he shows up in histories.
Speaker 3: He's like, excuse the excuse, the the whole racial thing.
Speaker 3: But he was a five eight, white, slow, white guy. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and he couldn't miss. You'll have to go look up
Speaker 3: his box score. He must have made seven three pointers
Speaker 3: in the second half.
Speaker 2: All it takes is one Jimmy for dead, right for
Speaker 2: a team that can't defend the threes.
Speaker 6: Right right.
Speaker 3: And Kennesaw State had all these athletic guys and they
Speaker 3: were just killing them. They were up double digits in
Speaker 3: the second half, and this guy single handedly put him away.
Speaker 2: It's funny because you have these guys, right, and there
Speaker 2: was a lot of them out there. Could you see
Speaker 2: the highlights? Arizona can't find one.
Speaker 6: Well, but Arizona would never recruit that guy.
Speaker 2: That's my point. That's my point, because he's not Arizona good,
Speaker 2: right right.
Speaker 3: But because he's he's he's he's delorso in the Big twelve,
Speaker 3: he's not going to get that shot off.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like he's going to.
Speaker 6: Get it off against Kennisas State.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I hear what you're saying. But for a
Speaker 2: game or two, one time, that's all you need.
Speaker 3: How many times have those guys come to McHale And
Speaker 3: you see these hyphenated schools come and the guy shoots
Speaker 3: the lights on an Arizona beats them by thirty. But
Speaker 3: then this guy was, you know, eight for twelve from
Speaker 3: three points. You go, why can't Arizona get that guy?
Speaker 2: Yeah, they haven't gotten that guy in that guy since since.
Speaker 2: But it is what it is. Anybody want to call,
Speaker 2: We still have time. We have about eight minutes two
Speaker 2: forty Give a quick call about tonight's game, last night's game.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've been fascinated by by the conference tournaments.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: You see how he got blown out today by by Wisconsin.
Speaker 3: And at halftime, uh uh mit, Cronan told the half
Speaker 3: the satelline reporter and his team was an embarrassment.
Speaker 6: And I thought, that's that's typical, Mick. That's funny rat
Speaker 6: spot spot on Mick.
Speaker 3: You know, watching the post game press conference and press
Speaker 3: post game of comments with with Tommy last night, for
Speaker 3: those were the the announce got ahead of himself and
Speaker 3: he said, who whoa, whoa, whoa whoa.
Speaker 6: We got another game to play, don't be.
Speaker 2: But to the announcer's credit and Tommy's whatever, he does
Speaker 2: that here in the middle the question, and Jobson jumps
Speaker 2: this is can I finish their question?
Speaker 6: Please?
Speaker 2: Let me finished the question. Don't you do it? Just
Speaker 2: like can I do to you? Don't get ahead of me.
Speaker 2: Don't get ahead of me. Let me tell the joke first.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I'm I'm looking forward to, uh to all
Speaker 3: of this, you know, these next couple of days and
Speaker 3: with all the semi finals and finals and stuff like that.
Speaker 6: It's been fun.
Speaker 3: I've I've I've been busy, but I've been sitting at
Speaker 3: my desk. I haven't been out a lot, so I've
Speaker 3: had these games on all day, you know, nine o'clock
Speaker 3: in the morning until you know. I watched San Diego
Speaker 3: State yesterday, you know, my daughters at San Diego State,
Speaker 3: and they were really yea bumbed.
Speaker 6: She you know they got beat No, no, she she
Speaker 6: didn't go. She's working it.
Speaker 2: She's she's doing social But what's your sport that she's got.
Speaker 3: She's got other sports, She's got the other minor sports.
Speaker 3: So she's here, but she is working the game. So
Speaker 3: you know, we we've got the San Diego State games, uh,
Speaker 3: you know, on our on our radar, and I watched
Speaker 3: that game and they were pretty bummed they get beat.
Speaker 6: The other day.
Speaker 2: They haven't been this out early in a long time. Man,
Speaker 2: let me ask you, did you the ballow uber Ballow.
Speaker 6: I saw the tweet?
Speaker 2: Did you see what he said?
Speaker 6: Or yes?
Speaker 2: So what were your impressions? I have mine? Well set
Speaker 2: it up.
Speaker 3: Well, he just said that, you know, you know Indiana basketball,
Speaker 3: you know they lose, they get death threats, they get
Speaker 3: people ripping on them on social media. He said, you know,
Speaker 3: what the hell what they're there? What are we doing?
Speaker 3: You know, what are we doing? And I agree with that,
Speaker 3: and we all agree with that. Of course, you know
Speaker 3: that that shouldn't be happening, but it does. All he saw,
Speaker 3: It's happened here, it happened. It happens everywhere. You know,
Speaker 3: these guys are out there playing and these these fans,
Speaker 3: you know, lose their minds, uh, you know, over these
Speaker 3: over these games, and they do stupid stuff like that.
Speaker 6: And you put somebody like Umar Bellow or whoever it
Speaker 6: might be.
Speaker 3: You know, the the UFA kicker in twenty fourteen, you know,
Speaker 3: got death threats because he missed the field goal that
Speaker 3: would have beat.
Speaker 6: The Casey Scyrn, And you go, what the hell are
Speaker 6: we doing.
Speaker 2: And and here here's and I totally agree with not right,
Speaker 2: it's not what should be happening. Uh, there's this is
Speaker 2: a small butt here. Uh, these guys got paid a
Speaker 2: ton of money. You got one point too reportedly, blah
Speaker 2: blah blah. And not that they deserve this, because they
Speaker 2: don't deserve this. But much where much as given, yeap
Speaker 2: much as is expected. You know that phrase, not for
Speaker 2: death threats, not for you know, your life, but lots
Speaker 2: of expected to win some games.
Speaker 3: Well, you know, Steve, you saw me get in a
Speaker 3: little tit for tat with a with a local with
Speaker 3: a local guy on Twitter.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, yeah, this week for the for the very
Speaker 6: same thing.
Speaker 3: This this this local guy who shall remain nameless because
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna give.
Speaker 6: Him the the.
Speaker 2: Platform, the platform.
Speaker 3: But went on and ripped the kid that's not even
Speaker 3: here anymore, right, ripped on Kylin Boswell who's playing at
Speaker 3: Illinois completely off of our radar. Who cares what Kylin
Speaker 3: ball Aswell is doing? And yet he went on social
Speaker 3: media and shredded the kid. And what are we doing?
Speaker 3: Why do we need to do that?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 3: And it's stupid, it's stupid, it's childish. It's immature, and
Speaker 3: it's and it's ridiculous that people do this, And I
Speaker 3: get it. Colum Buzz was probably making a good amount
Speaker 3: of change over there, as is Umar at Indiana, as
Speaker 3: is Caleb Love probably here and whatever. That increases the
Speaker 3: volume on what you can do or say. But in
Speaker 3: the end, there's still college athletes and they're not thirty
Speaker 3: year old NBA players, and you need to if you
Speaker 3: want to be critical about how they play, fine, But
Speaker 3: if you're going to rip them on their lifestyle and
Speaker 3: those things, you're a loser, as simple as that. You're
Speaker 3: a loser, very simple, no other way to put it.
Speaker 3: And we've got a guy here who's a loser. There
Speaker 3: you go, I had I had to go there. People say,
Speaker 3: what the heck's going on? Yeah, but no, I hear you.
Speaker 3: But you're to your point. Steve umar Bell shouldn't have
Speaker 3: take that, but neither should Kevin Durant or James Harden
Speaker 3: or or Steph Curry or anybody else.
Speaker 2: Sure, and just what the proficiency of gambling now or
Speaker 2: the luxury of the week we were offered whatever to do.
Speaker 2: That's not the right word. It's all commonplace now. Sure,
Speaker 2: And some guy loses ten bucks and he's pissed.
Speaker 3: Yeah, or some guy has a bad game and now
Speaker 3: he's shaving points, you know, and and and accusations start flying,
Speaker 3: you know, like that as well, just you know some
Speaker 3: of the you know, the look everything is ramped up
Speaker 3: as far as that stuff goes because of all of.
Speaker 2: That, right, and social media is what it is these days. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you and I said that today. I mean, people just
Speaker 2: post some crazy stuff like last night at your halftime,
Speaker 2: I'm giving up on this team. They're very inconsistent. I mean,
Speaker 2: why do you have to fire up the phone or
Speaker 2: fire up the computer to say that? Just go to
Speaker 2: the yell at the TV, or go.
Speaker 3: Have those conversations with your panels on a on a
Speaker 3: text thread or something. You know, I'm gonna I have
Speaker 3: told you before, I'm gonna text thread with ten guys,
Speaker 3: well eleven. Now we added a guy. There's eleven of
Speaker 3: us on this thread. And it's fun because you're watching
Speaker 3: the game. I'm watching game in my living room. There's
Speaker 3: nobody else with me except my wife. We're watching the game,
Speaker 3: but I'm having this ongoing conversation about the game with
Speaker 3: ten other guys, and it's great.
Speaker 2: What they say all the same.
Speaker 3: We're just talking about plays, you know, you know, O
Speaker 3: Delli hit a three, unbelievable, you know, kJ Lewis hit
Speaker 3: a three, you know, or you know, will somebody please
Speaker 3: cover number five? You know those kinds of It's it's
Speaker 3: like if we were sitting next to each other at
Speaker 3: a bar, or in seats at the game or whatever.
Speaker 6: We're having that conversation.
Speaker 2: The good thing is that's within eleven people, not the
Speaker 2: rest of the world.
Speaker 6: Right, and that's where you go have those conversations.
Speaker 2: We see the same game, we see the same look.
Speaker 6: I wished a heart attack on somebody last night.
Speaker 2: Okay, it was above the eleven of us.
Speaker 6: I didn't put it out on social media.
Speaker 2: Let me explain that to me, explain that's a little different.
Speaker 6: Definitely is a little different. He's not bitter.
Speaker 3: He's not bitter, Steve, you know what, and pretty much
Speaker 3: every game I'm wishing for a career ending injury or
Speaker 3: or a heart attack.
Speaker 2: You're a contradiction.
Speaker 3: It was just a contradiction. But again, I do it
Speaker 3: as if I had done it with you. I'm allowed
Speaker 3: to do that.
Speaker 2: I'm sure you've given me a heart attack or two.
Speaker 6: You know it's it's it's different. I didn't put it
Speaker 6: out on social media.
Speaker 2: You know that's okay, forgive me, father, but I did
Speaker 2: not put social small. Okay. We got about a minute, yeah, thirty,
Speaker 2: it to myself. Right, you'll go to heaven. Maybe not
Speaker 2: all the way. You just had that direction. Okay. We
Speaker 2: got to go come backt breaking news, a lot of it.
Speaker 2: And then we're gonna have your guy from Texas Tech.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're gonna have Nathan Grice from the Lubbock Avalanche
Speaker 3: Journal beat right covering Texas the game.
Speaker 6: They'll preview the game Tony