WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.520 --> 00:00:01.320 It's nice eyes. 2 00:00:02.799 --> 00:00:06.440 I'm going Boston's news radio, so. 3 00:00:06.480 --> 00:00:08.759 I'm not the expert on suicide. I got to be 4 00:00:08.800 --> 00:00:13.720 honest with you. I have known people who committed suicide, 5 00:00:15.000 --> 00:00:22.320 oftentimes that people who you don't suspect of committing suicide. 6 00:00:22.719 --> 00:00:26.280 I don't want to identify the person, but I was 7 00:00:26.359 --> 00:00:33.119 stunned that young a teenager who I had coached in 8 00:00:33.799 --> 00:00:38.799 little league, who's the nicest kid, most well adjusted kid. 9 00:00:38.799 --> 00:00:42.920 I'm not going to identify him by name, reportedly committed suicide. 10 00:00:42.920 --> 00:00:48.679 He was about eighteen, and I remember, you know, watching 11 00:00:48.719 --> 00:00:52.799 the kid, always smiling, and whatever happened, you have no idea. 12 00:00:52.960 --> 00:00:55.880 I mean they some some leave a note, some don't. 13 00:00:56.079 --> 00:01:00.280 So I will be willing to continue to have a conversation. Here. 14 00:01:01.159 --> 00:01:03.479 A couple of callers are hanging on. I will get 15 00:01:03.520 --> 00:01:06.280 to them if you want. This is one of those 16 00:01:06.400 --> 00:01:13.439 not an easy subject, okay, but I chose to have 17 00:01:13.519 --> 00:01:16.319 my guest on last hour, and I'm just looking for 18 00:01:16.560 --> 00:01:20.200 people who may want to share stories because I think 19 00:01:20.200 --> 00:01:22.879 it's important for all of us to realize that there 20 00:01:22.879 --> 00:01:27.799 are people out there within our circle of friends who 21 00:01:28.920 --> 00:01:32.000 are crying out for help and even just a kind 22 00:01:32.040 --> 00:01:35.200 word or a phone call might get them through that 23 00:01:35.359 --> 00:01:39.120 moment of crisis. And again, I'm not a mental health professional, 24 00:01:39.319 --> 00:01:40.840 nor do I want to play one on the radio. 25 00:01:41.319 --> 00:01:44.280 But I do think that if we look around within 26 00:01:44.319 --> 00:01:48.799 our own community, we'll recognize that. So in the meantime, 27 00:01:48.879 --> 00:01:50.599 I have other topics I can go to. I'd like 28 00:01:50.640 --> 00:01:53.319 to give you a chance to talk about this. Let 29 00:01:53.319 --> 00:01:56.840 me start off with Frank in South Boston. Frank, welcome, 30 00:01:57.400 --> 00:01:59.719 thanks for calling in. You are next on Nightside, our 31 00:01:59.719 --> 00:02:00.920 first this hour at night Side. 32 00:02:00.920 --> 00:02:06.079 Frank, Hi, Dan, thank you for taking my call. Let 33 00:02:06.079 --> 00:02:08.560 me just preface this a little bit. I'm sixty six 34 00:02:08.680 --> 00:02:11.919 years old and I spent twenty one years in prison 35 00:02:12.159 --> 00:02:17.560 and was released in two thousand and one after the 36 00:02:17.639 --> 00:02:20.960 Supreme Judicial Court deemed I've been wrong for the convicted. 37 00:02:22.960 --> 00:02:25.400 About I know about some of those cases. 38 00:02:25.439 --> 00:02:29.120 So I know you do because I know the people 39 00:02:29.120 --> 00:02:32.159 that you helped get out. I knew all of them. 40 00:02:32.800 --> 00:02:35.759 I'm glad that. So you spent twenty one years in 41 00:02:35.840 --> 00:02:38.879 a state or a federal facility state. 42 00:02:38.680 --> 00:02:40.680 I was all in Massachusetts. I hit them all. 43 00:02:41.400 --> 00:02:48.240 Now in Massachusetts. Has Massachusetts will they be forced to 44 00:02:48.240 --> 00:02:50.879 compensate you? I know the compensation in Massachusetts. 45 00:02:50.960 --> 00:02:54.400 I did. I got limited yep, yep, I got some money. 46 00:02:54.479 --> 00:02:56.400 I got some money. I wasn't as much as like 47 00:02:56.520 --> 00:02:58.240 I had anticipated, but. 48 00:02:59.639 --> 00:03:03.759 Not much. Not kneeling you said, twenty one years. 49 00:03:04.080 --> 00:03:06.479 Yeah, yeah, I went in at twenty one and when 50 00:03:06.639 --> 00:03:08.439 at twenty one, came out at forty two. 51 00:03:10.599 --> 00:03:13.080 So like is her case is like this. So first 52 00:03:13.120 --> 00:03:17.560 of all, I want to say congratulations on surviving and 53 00:03:17.759 --> 00:03:21.000 having the backbone of the courage to to get through it. 54 00:03:21.599 --> 00:03:29.599 I hope you've had a good post prison life, and 55 00:03:30.439 --> 00:03:31.800 I want to hear what you have to say. But 56 00:03:31.879 --> 00:03:34.000 I just recommend you for having to survived that. 57 00:03:34.280 --> 00:03:37.879 Okay, thank you, you know, like, and it was no 58 00:03:37.960 --> 00:03:43.919 small feat. But you know, right after COVID, right after 59 00:03:44.159 --> 00:03:47.240 right after COVID hit on Saint Patti's Day in twenty twenty, 60 00:03:49.439 --> 00:03:54.960 I was diagnosed with stage three prostate cancer and I 61 00:03:55.000 --> 00:03:57.400 was treated at Boston Medical. I'm cancer free right now, 62 00:03:57.479 --> 00:04:03.639 thank goodness. But it was after forty four radiation treatments 63 00:04:03.639 --> 00:04:06.599 and like everything that can go wrong with radiation went 64 00:04:06.639 --> 00:04:10.319 wrong with me. And this had nothing to do, you know, 65 00:04:10.879 --> 00:04:14.719 forty four radiation treatments. I was at BMC like Monday 66 00:04:14.719 --> 00:04:18.399 through Friday every day at two fifty pm, taking my 67 00:04:18.439 --> 00:04:20.959 clothes off, getting it in a room, getting in a machine, 68 00:04:21.160 --> 00:04:24.360 you know, having my you know, getting my treatment, and leave. 69 00:04:24.399 --> 00:04:26.800 It only took ten minutes. Ten minutes a day, you know, 70 00:04:26.959 --> 00:04:29.959 like getting dressed and undressed are longer than the treatment. 71 00:04:32.480 --> 00:04:35.079 So this had nothing to do with holiday depression. 72 00:04:35.360 --> 00:04:35.600 You know. 73 00:04:35.680 --> 00:04:38.120 I'd lost my mother in twenty nineteen, and it was 74 00:04:38.199 --> 00:04:40.480 like sitting on my mind. But honestly, I had nothing 75 00:04:40.519 --> 00:04:43.600 to do with holiday depression. But it was Christmas Eve 76 00:04:43.680 --> 00:04:47.920 twenty twenty two, and I was sitting in my I 77 00:04:48.120 --> 00:04:50.800 just like I was done. I was done. I was 78 00:04:50.839 --> 00:04:52.959 in so much pain. Everything that could have gone wrong 79 00:04:53.000 --> 00:04:56.600 with my treatment did go wrong. I had a Catholic 80 00:04:56.720 --> 00:04:59.959 for one hundred and eleven days, which was miserable, off 81 00:05:00.279 --> 00:05:05.720 on for one hundred and eleven days. And on Christmas 82 00:05:05.800 --> 00:05:09.800 Eve twenty twenty two, I went down to dry Dock 83 00:05:10.360 --> 00:05:14.720 and uh, I was just like I was done. I 84 00:05:14.759 --> 00:05:16.720 was done. I was ready to drive my truck off 85 00:05:16.720 --> 00:05:19.199 the end of dry Dock Ave here in South Boston. 86 00:05:19.639 --> 00:05:24.680 And again, I'm sixty six years old, and I'd never 87 00:05:24.839 --> 00:05:27.000 in my twenty one years in prison, I'd never had 88 00:05:27.040 --> 00:05:30.600 any suicidal thoughts until that night. I was just like 89 00:05:31.199 --> 00:05:34.240 I just like kind of assessed everything in the thing, 90 00:05:34.399 --> 00:05:38.959 the checklist that the twisted checklists that we go through. 91 00:05:39.160 --> 00:05:41.839 You know, if we're thinking that kind of stuff, I'm 92 00:05:41.920 --> 00:05:46.519 so bizarre. So what things I did do? 93 00:05:46.600 --> 00:05:49.439 From what saved you? What what prevented you. 94 00:05:49.680 --> 00:05:52.040 From I'm getting to that problem. 95 00:05:52.160 --> 00:05:53.959 No, rush, I want to hear the story. Go ahead. 96 00:05:54.000 --> 00:05:54.879 I didn't mean to interrupt. 97 00:05:55.439 --> 00:05:57.720 No, no, no, no, no no. I and I just 98 00:05:57.839 --> 00:06:02.519 don't like to interrupt you because I I you know, 99 00:06:02.600 --> 00:06:06.120 I smoke weed, and like weed helped me get through 100 00:06:06.519 --> 00:06:09.680 the cancer, all the crap that I was going through. 101 00:06:09.759 --> 00:06:13.959 It kept me off in narcotics. Marijuana, cannabis kept me 102 00:06:14.000 --> 00:06:18.079 off in narcotics. But anyway, I smoked a joint at 103 00:06:18.079 --> 00:06:19.800 the end of dry dock, and I'm like, I was 104 00:06:19.839 --> 00:06:21.680 just like building up the courage. I'm just going to 105 00:06:21.800 --> 00:06:26.439 drive this truck miles to four thousand. It's like it's 106 00:06:26.439 --> 00:06:29.920 basically a Ford Ranger. It's a fancy Ford Ranger, and 107 00:06:30.040 --> 00:06:31.279 I was going to drive it off the end of 108 00:06:31.319 --> 00:06:35.240 the dock. And I got done smoking a giant as 109 00:06:35.279 --> 00:06:37.560 much as I was going to smoke my grandson called me. 110 00:06:37.560 --> 00:06:39.279 He says, Pops, can you give me a ride home? 111 00:06:40.439 --> 00:06:42.399 That was it. That was the epiphany. 112 00:06:42.519 --> 00:06:46.519 And I was just like, you know, pose purpose. 113 00:06:46.600 --> 00:06:50.240 You know, my kid, he's like we you know, he 114 00:06:50.360 --> 00:06:53.600 was born on my birthday in nineteen eighty four, Like 115 00:06:53.639 --> 00:06:57.399 he just celebrated his thirtieth birthday. We both He celebrated 116 00:06:57.439 --> 00:07:00.800 his thirtieth. I celebrated my sixty six a big party. 117 00:07:00.879 --> 00:07:04.160 It was fun and and I'm just like, you know, 118 00:07:04.600 --> 00:07:08.560 I again, in my entire twenty one years in prison, 119 00:07:08.639 --> 00:07:12.040 I never ever ever felt suicidal, even though I was 120 00:07:12.040 --> 00:07:13.680 doing a life bid and I knew I was never 121 00:07:13.720 --> 00:07:16.680 getting out unless something happened. I knew I was never 122 00:07:16.680 --> 00:07:21.000 getting out. And the s JC ruled in my favorite 123 00:07:21.000 --> 00:07:25.000 tamed I've been wrongfully convicted. I got out and I 124 00:07:25.120 --> 00:07:29.399 just never looked back, you know, And I raised like 125 00:07:30.439 --> 00:07:32.600 three years after I got out, I got a custody 126 00:07:32.639 --> 00:07:35.480 of my six year old and my eight year old grandson, 127 00:07:35.759 --> 00:07:40.560 got one through Boston Latin Academy, got the other through 128 00:07:40.680 --> 00:07:44.560 high school. And you know, they're both doing well, and 129 00:07:45.680 --> 00:07:48.879 you know, but that that night, you know, it just 130 00:07:49.680 --> 00:07:51.480 I don't know where I went. I don't know where 131 00:07:51.480 --> 00:07:51.720 I went. 132 00:07:52.079 --> 00:07:56.399 It's kind of interesting, very interesting, Frank, that it just 133 00:07:56.439 --> 00:07:59.519 so happened that if you had decided you didn't want 134 00:07:59.519 --> 00:08:02.720 to smoke joint, and you just decided to weigh it 135 00:08:02.839 --> 00:08:05.879 and drive off the end of the pier, your grandson 136 00:08:05.920 --> 00:08:08.959 would have called, and I guess you would have heard 137 00:08:08.959 --> 00:08:12.120 it busy sag no or just wast wrong. He never 138 00:08:12.160 --> 00:08:16.319 would have heard it. So it's interesting. You wonder if 139 00:08:16.360 --> 00:08:21.480 there's someone up upstairs there looking up over, you know, 140 00:08:21.519 --> 00:08:23.920 looking out for it. And I'm serious when I ask 141 00:08:24.000 --> 00:08:26.120 you that I'm not being I'm not being faticious. 142 00:08:26.759 --> 00:08:30.600 Somebody had their foot on the brake, you know, somebody 143 00:08:30.600 --> 00:08:32.440 had their foot on the controls, you know, like they 144 00:08:32.480 --> 00:08:35.480 had the wheel, and I just wasn't going on. 145 00:08:36.240 --> 00:08:38.080 Had your mom just died before. 146 00:08:37.759 --> 00:08:41.120 That or No, she died in twenty nineteen, you know, 147 00:08:41.240 --> 00:08:43.639 but she died at ninety four years old, you know, 148 00:08:43.679 --> 00:08:44.759 like she got around my six. 149 00:08:44.840 --> 00:08:47.000 So she died in twenty nineteen. When were you thinking 150 00:08:47.039 --> 00:08:47.720 about doing this? 151 00:08:48.000 --> 00:08:52.639 What year twenty twenty two, twenty two? 152 00:08:52.759 --> 00:08:55.440 You know, I would like to think that your mom 153 00:08:55.519 --> 00:08:56.840 was your guardian angel that night. 154 00:08:57.960 --> 00:09:01.440 You know, my mom, like she worked for the Department 155 00:09:01.480 --> 00:09:05.039 of My story is crazy. My you know, my mom 156 00:09:05.120 --> 00:09:07.679 and my father both worked for the Department of Correction, 157 00:09:08.799 --> 00:09:11.279 and they'd work for the Department of Correction. My father 158 00:09:11.440 --> 00:09:14.000 was working at Walpole when I was my father was. 159 00:09:14.480 --> 00:09:17.759 I didn't know who my father was, and my father 160 00:09:17.960 --> 00:09:20.639 was working booking at Walpole. The day that I came in, 161 00:09:20.720 --> 00:09:25.120 my mother called my father and said, you know, Frank 162 00:09:25.159 --> 00:09:30.200 Peter was just convicted and he's on his way to Walpole. 163 00:09:31.440 --> 00:09:35.120 And I went to Walpole. I had no idea who 164 00:09:35.120 --> 00:09:39.840 this guy was, but whatever, you know, like yeah, yeah, 165 00:09:39.840 --> 00:09:40.879 I was like, you. 166 00:09:40.799 --> 00:09:48.480 Know, irony, something that is just an amazing element in 167 00:09:48.519 --> 00:09:49.240 our lives. 168 00:09:49.480 --> 00:09:55.440 And wow, Frank, I'm the DNA DNA like DNA. I'm like, Mom, 169 00:09:55.559 --> 00:09:57.840 like I did you know? I did twenty three and 170 00:09:57.960 --> 00:10:00.240 me and it just shows that, like my father, the 171 00:10:00.279 --> 00:10:02.840 guy that you said was my father is not my father. 172 00:10:03.000 --> 00:10:06.320 This is my father. Like what's going on? She told me, like, 173 00:10:06.679 --> 00:10:09.200 you know, like eight months before she died, she told me, 174 00:10:09.279 --> 00:10:11.120 this is your father. And you've got a sister and 175 00:10:11.159 --> 00:10:13.320 you've got a brother. I'm like, oh, my god, you know, 176 00:10:13.399 --> 00:10:16.879 but yeah, I got a my brother. Thirty thirty one 177 00:10:16.919 --> 00:10:21.480 year retired Marine helicopter pilot, Lieutenant colonel. My sister was 178 00:10:21.519 --> 00:10:25.039 a nation nurse in the Army. She lives in Minnesota. 179 00:10:25.120 --> 00:10:28.200 My brother lives in Tennessee. So like, but yeah, you know, 180 00:10:29.720 --> 00:10:32.360 and all that I did, I did, I've met them both. 181 00:10:32.440 --> 00:10:36.360 It's like, it's crazy. My my brother is a freaking monster. 182 00:10:36.759 --> 00:10:40.320 He's like he's like six. I'm like five eight. My 183 00:10:40.440 --> 00:10:43.759 brother is like six ' four. You know. My sister's 184 00:10:43.960 --> 00:10:46.720 My sister's a tall gal too. You know, I'm she's 185 00:10:46.720 --> 00:10:48.679 she's about my height, but a little bit maybe tall 186 00:10:48.759 --> 00:10:51.360 or whatever. We both you know, we all shrunk. But 187 00:10:52.360 --> 00:10:54.440 thank you for taking my call. Dan. I just like, 188 00:10:55.120 --> 00:10:57.279 unless you, you know, you want to ask me something 189 00:10:57.320 --> 00:10:58.240 that's well. 190 00:10:58.120 --> 00:11:00.879 No, I think the call stands on its own. It's 191 00:11:00.879 --> 00:11:04.639 it's an amazing story. Has has Did they do any 192 00:11:04.679 --> 00:11:06.799 stories about you? When you when. 193 00:11:06.639 --> 00:11:12.879 You so like, uh, what's your name? Kristen Party from 194 00:11:12.919 --> 00:11:18.159 the Phoenix, she did a story on me. Uh, Jesus 195 00:11:18.240 --> 00:11:24.519 a couple of Boston Phoenix. There was a Boston Phoenix. 196 00:11:24.759 --> 00:11:27.039 Uh No, the Globe and the Heraldic Let me ask. 197 00:11:26.960 --> 00:11:28.559 You us what did you get convicted for? What? What? 198 00:11:28.559 --> 00:11:29.200 What did you take? 199 00:11:29.200 --> 00:11:32.120 The second second, second, degree murder, right. 200 00:11:32.039 --> 00:11:36.039 Okay, second agree murder. Uh that's a that's a heavy hit. 201 00:11:36.720 --> 00:11:41.759 Where were you when the murder went down? Okay? So 202 00:11:41.879 --> 00:11:44.559 you well you were you present or were you not 203 00:11:44.679 --> 00:11:45.279 even there? 204 00:11:45.840 --> 00:11:48.240 Oh? I was there. I was there, but I walked 205 00:11:48.240 --> 00:11:50.360 in after it happened, and I'm like, you know, I 206 00:11:50.480 --> 00:11:52.960 was just like, okay, you know, I showed up, and 207 00:11:53.759 --> 00:11:56.039 but my DNA was not all over the place and 208 00:11:56.080 --> 00:11:57.960 that technology didn't come out until later. 209 00:11:58.960 --> 00:12:04.159 Okay, okay, so so wrong wrong place, wrong time. 210 00:12:05.080 --> 00:12:12.240 Yeah, my apartment, my own, my own apartment, Okay, drug deal, No, 211 00:12:12.480 --> 00:12:15.000 But I was like, you know, I wasn't. I wasn't 212 00:12:15.000 --> 00:12:17.639 a terribly nice guy. You know, I've I've got a record, 213 00:12:17.720 --> 00:12:20.399 you know, I did. I did some stuff, but you 214 00:12:20.440 --> 00:12:21.120 know I didn't do that. 215 00:12:21.320 --> 00:12:25.000 So the person, the person who killed, who killed the victim? 216 00:12:25.279 --> 00:12:26.279 Did he ever go to trial? 217 00:12:27.840 --> 00:12:31.840 Uh? He did. There were two people there was a 218 00:12:31.919 --> 00:12:34.759 guy and a woman. They both went. She ended up 219 00:12:34.799 --> 00:12:38.519 doing eight years and framing him, and he did like 220 00:12:38.679 --> 00:12:41.919 three years. He ended up in an offock pre release said. 221 00:12:41.799 --> 00:12:43.720 Were you all tried? Was this some sort of a 222 00:12:43.799 --> 00:12:45.120 joint venture? Were you you got? 223 00:12:45.240 --> 00:12:47.600 No? No, no, no, no, no, We were we weren't 224 00:12:47.600 --> 00:12:49.360 co defendants were all tried separately. 225 00:12:49.519 --> 00:12:51.480 No, I understand that, That's what I'm saying. So so 226 00:12:51.559 --> 00:12:55.200 probably your your trials are severed. So yeah, you took 227 00:12:55.240 --> 00:12:57.200 the big fall for murder too. How did they hit you? 228 00:12:57.240 --> 00:13:00.000 How did they connect you? How if you truly. 229 00:12:59.799 --> 00:13:05.559 Had you know, I was married, I was. I honestly 230 00:13:05.639 --> 00:13:07.799 believe there was an animus. I was married to a 231 00:13:07.879 --> 00:13:11.960 cops daughter, a local, a very very very well respected 232 00:13:12.039 --> 00:13:16.039 cops daughter. And at the time I never laid a 233 00:13:16.120 --> 00:13:18.120 hand on her. I never laid a hand And I 234 00:13:18.159 --> 00:13:20.480 got two kids too. I got two kids that you know, 235 00:13:20.519 --> 00:13:25.360 that were born back then. But you know, I just 236 00:13:25.480 --> 00:13:28.200 stated they hated me. The cops hated me. You know, 237 00:13:28.320 --> 00:13:30.080 I stole a Kyle when I was fifteen. 238 00:13:30.080 --> 00:13:33.399 I did so basically, you got framed, you, you was. 239 00:13:34.279 --> 00:13:36.879 Everybody was charged and you took the big fall. 240 00:13:37.679 --> 00:13:41.399 Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah? When the when? The when? When 241 00:13:41.399 --> 00:13:44.000 the when? The female like she took the she took 242 00:13:44.000 --> 00:13:45.879 the hit that should have been taken, you know, and 243 00:13:45.919 --> 00:13:48.159 like she should have had the main charge. 244 00:13:48.440 --> 00:13:49.200 Was she the shooter? 245 00:13:50.600 --> 00:13:51.159 I'm sorry? 246 00:13:51.519 --> 00:13:52.320 Was she the shooter? 247 00:13:54.120 --> 00:13:56.000 No shooter? No shooter? Was a beating? 248 00:13:56.799 --> 00:13:57.200 Oh? 249 00:13:57.200 --> 00:13:59.840 It was a beating. Yeah, it was a beating. You 250 00:14:00.080 --> 00:14:01.919 a bludgeoned yep. 251 00:14:02.080 --> 00:14:02.919 Okay, well. 252 00:14:04.240 --> 00:14:07.159 You've seen you know, you're a lawyer, you know. And 253 00:14:07.200 --> 00:14:10.440 I came out when I so like when I came out, 254 00:14:10.480 --> 00:14:14.000 I worked and I worked at Mass Correctional Legal Services, 255 00:14:14.039 --> 00:14:17.039 I did, you know, prison work for six years. I 256 00:14:17.080 --> 00:14:19.399 spoke all They sent me all over the country, The 257 00:14:19.440 --> 00:14:21.519 Innocence Project sent me all over the country. 258 00:14:22.320 --> 00:14:22.559 I know. 259 00:14:22.639 --> 00:14:26.519 Barry, Yeah, Barry, you know, I got Barriy on speed dial, 260 00:14:28.159 --> 00:14:30.120 you know, and he like sent me all over the 261 00:14:30.159 --> 00:14:33.000 country speaking to lawyers, conferences and lobbies. 262 00:14:33.440 --> 00:14:35.159 Selfy do you know my friend fred Weichel. 263 00:14:35.919 --> 00:14:38.679 Of course I do. Of course I do. Freddie. Yeah, 264 00:14:39.159 --> 00:14:43.440 you know, like you know, and he's getting royally screwed. 265 00:14:44.200 --> 00:14:48.200 You know, well eventually, hopefully hopefully he will get But know, 266 00:14:48.399 --> 00:14:51.279 I mean I did a little bit of work for Freddy. 267 00:14:51.559 --> 00:14:54.720 Uh and oh I know, yeah, I know you you 268 00:14:54.840 --> 00:14:58.200 promoted him like Freddie, like Freddy. We've we've spoken about you, 269 00:14:58.200 --> 00:14:58.399 you know. 270 00:14:59.759 --> 00:15:01.840 The the big thing that I was involved in was 271 00:15:01.879 --> 00:15:04.480 the FBIK Silvati p ammonium. 272 00:15:04.559 --> 00:15:09.159 Yep, Frank, yeah, let me let me just let me 273 00:15:09.240 --> 00:15:13.399 just the quick thing about about Louis Greco. Oh my god, 274 00:15:13.519 --> 00:15:16.120 I love Louie Greco. I got out, I got out 275 00:15:16.120 --> 00:15:21.000 of I was released into Shirley Minimum in nineteen ninety 276 00:15:21.759 --> 00:15:24.159 and I didn't take I'd evigate to a minimum because 277 00:15:24.200 --> 00:15:28.000 Willie Horton screwed that up, Bob Lilli Horton and Bobby Stewart. 278 00:15:28.600 --> 00:15:31.159 Bobby Stewart messed it up for life, as for second 279 00:15:31.159 --> 00:15:32.919 of your life, as he messed it up for everybody 280 00:15:32.960 --> 00:15:37.279 when he escaped. But Louis Greco and I, like, I 281 00:15:37.679 --> 00:15:40.519 first got the Shirley Minimum and I was like living 282 00:15:40.559 --> 00:15:44.679 in Cottage eight. Louis lived in Cottage ten. And I say, 283 00:15:44.759 --> 00:15:47.559 am like, somebody said, that's Louis Greco, and like I've 284 00:15:47.559 --> 00:15:51.440 heard about this because I worked in the infirmary in 285 00:15:51.480 --> 00:15:54.960 Norfolk in nineteen nineteen eighty one. I took care of 286 00:15:55.039 --> 00:15:59.000 Henry Timelio. So I knew, I knew all of those guys, 287 00:15:59.000 --> 00:16:01.360 you know, but I never met Louis. And then so 288 00:16:01.440 --> 00:16:04.440 I saw I saw Louis and like, hey kid, hey kid, 289 00:16:04.600 --> 00:16:06.480 will you go to the canteen and get me a 290 00:16:06.519 --> 00:16:11.039 pint of Ben and Jerry's chocolate chip? Thank you? So 291 00:16:12.279 --> 00:16:14.720 Louie was Louis was great and. 292 00:16:14.639 --> 00:16:16.799 He died before he get out. 293 00:16:16.879 --> 00:16:19.559 Man, you know like, oh, I know, no, he has 294 00:16:19.559 --> 00:16:22.000 a state want some money. He got about he got 295 00:16:22.039 --> 00:16:24.200 about eighteen and I think Tom Mellie, we've got fifteen 296 00:16:24.240 --> 00:16:28.039 and Lamoney uh and Svati Bolt survived, came out. Joe 297 00:16:28.080 --> 00:16:30.200 is still alive today. Hey, I hate to do this 298 00:16:30.240 --> 00:16:32.320 to you, Frank. All right, all right, thank you call 299 00:16:32.639 --> 00:16:35.399 do me your favorite. Rob will leave you my give 300 00:16:35.399 --> 00:16:39.039 you my my my personal number, give me a call sometime. 301 00:16:39.039 --> 00:16:41.399 I'd love to talk to you off air. But it's you. 302 00:16:41.519 --> 00:16:43.039 A great caller, a great caller. 303 00:16:43.799 --> 00:16:44.240 Thank you. 304 00:16:44.320 --> 00:16:46.440 Okay, don't hang up. Rob will give you my direct line. 305 00:16:46.480 --> 00:16:48.080 Rob will take a quick break. We got to get 306 00:16:48.120 --> 00:16:50.039 to the newscast. Let's take a quick break. Okay. 307 00:16:51.279 --> 00:16:54.240 Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World, 308 00:16:54.399 --> 00:16:57.879 Nice Side Studios on WBZ News Radio. 309 00:16:58.519 --> 00:17:00.440 Well, that call went pretty long with but I think 310 00:17:00.480 --> 00:17:03.200 it was well worth it. Let me go to Daryl 311 00:17:03.320 --> 00:17:06.160 up in New Brunswick, Canada. Darryl's a that's a tough 312 00:17:06.200 --> 00:17:07.599 call to follow. How are you, Darryl? 313 00:17:08.319 --> 00:17:10.880 Hey, Dan, I can listen to Frank. You can keep 314 00:17:10.920 --> 00:17:13.359 me on hold and I'll wait till the next call. 315 00:17:13.200 --> 00:17:16.519 Right, no, no, no, you go right ahead, You're you're on, 316 00:17:16.759 --> 00:17:17.240 go ahead. 317 00:17:18.480 --> 00:17:23.680 My situation was with my twin brother, just to put 318 00:17:23.720 --> 00:17:27.160 the forefront out there, he shot himself out on the 319 00:17:27.160 --> 00:17:32.279 farm and it was a Saturday morning and I had 320 00:17:32.279 --> 00:17:35.839 actually driven out to the farm out in Alberta, just 321 00:17:35.880 --> 00:17:39.200 outside Abington, and I would just dropping by to see 322 00:17:39.200 --> 00:17:42.279 how he was because he just got to town and 323 00:17:42.359 --> 00:17:44.039 he was sleeping on the couch. So I said, wow, 324 00:17:44.160 --> 00:17:47.599 I'll tee up with him later, right, And back in 325 00:17:47.640 --> 00:17:50.079 those days, we had the old cassette tapes for the 326 00:17:50.079 --> 00:17:54.440 answering machines. So I swung by my apartment because I 327 00:17:54.440 --> 00:17:56.839 had to go work on a Saturday morning to make 328 00:17:56.880 --> 00:18:00.960 up some hours, and I put the casette just as 329 00:18:00.960 --> 00:18:04.720 I was tolling in to work and said I always 330 00:18:04.720 --> 00:18:11.240 love you, dude, and the gab was gone. So what 331 00:18:11.279 --> 00:18:16.359 I'm saying is to let people know that, you know, 332 00:18:16.920 --> 00:18:21.759 the indicators might not be there. Yeah, but this topic is, 333 00:18:22.079 --> 00:18:27.039 this topic is so important because his letter to me 334 00:18:28.279 --> 00:18:30.839 was he respected me so much, super being in the military, 335 00:18:31.680 --> 00:18:35.079 all that stuff, right, So what I'm getting at is, 336 00:18:35.359 --> 00:18:39.359 if people want to actually make a difference, you know, 337 00:18:39.799 --> 00:18:44.119 the indicators might not be there, but just pay attention 338 00:18:45.519 --> 00:18:50.039 because back then it wasn't the we're talking back in 339 00:18:50.079 --> 00:18:53.559 eighty six, right, so we didn't have all the cracket 340 00:18:53.640 --> 00:18:55.160 and stuff and all the addictions. 341 00:18:55.240 --> 00:18:55.400 Right. 342 00:18:57.119 --> 00:18:59.839 The big thing back then was just a place to stay. 343 00:19:00.880 --> 00:19:02.880 And if I would have known that, he could have 344 00:19:02.880 --> 00:19:07.079 stayed at my apartment. Right, it was just a bachelor. 345 00:19:07.160 --> 00:19:09.759 We could have thrown a bedroom, bed in the closet 346 00:19:09.839 --> 00:19:14.720 and the walk in closet done. But the kicker was 347 00:19:14.960 --> 00:19:18.720 the kicker was going back to Frank. I believe his 348 00:19:18.799 --> 00:19:23.599 grandson or his son was born on his birthday. My 349 00:19:23.680 --> 00:19:28.640 son was born there. I buried my brother, and I. 350 00:19:28.480 --> 00:19:30.279 Had no clue. 351 00:19:30.400 --> 00:19:32.720 I had no clue that my son was even on 352 00:19:32.759 --> 00:19:36.359 the way. So what you can't do is you can't 353 00:19:36.359 --> 00:19:41.359 blame other people for things that might have happened. And 354 00:19:42.279 --> 00:19:47.079 like I said, it's you carry great topics and if 355 00:19:47.119 --> 00:19:50.119 this helps other people, even in the military, because you 356 00:19:50.319 --> 00:19:53.880 reach out to a lot of military people. I've done 357 00:19:53.920 --> 00:19:57.799 suicide wise quite a bit in the military, and they 358 00:19:57.799 --> 00:20:00.519 didn't even know I was doing suicide wise as I 359 00:20:00.559 --> 00:20:04.319 talked to my chief and say, hey, you know you're 360 00:20:04.359 --> 00:20:07.839 doing daily inspections if you're recalling the military in the 361 00:20:07.839 --> 00:20:11.400 morning and you got guys going saying, hey, your humor 362 00:20:11.559 --> 00:20:14.960 sucks this early in the morning. Okay, but they forget 363 00:20:15.000 --> 00:20:16.240 all about what they were thinking. 364 00:20:17.000 --> 00:20:19.359 Yeah. So, but. 365 00:20:21.680 --> 00:20:24.680 No, you keep you keep great topics going. 366 00:20:26.000 --> 00:20:30.799 And I'm so sorry about your brother. How old when 367 00:20:30.799 --> 00:20:32.400 he when he passed. 368 00:20:32.920 --> 00:20:35.680 Three months from twenty wow? 369 00:20:36.079 --> 00:20:38.599 So but still a teenager? Wow wow? 370 00:20:39.400 --> 00:20:43.599 And but to kick their being there was no indicators? 371 00:20:43.839 --> 00:20:48.400 Yeah right. And what I'm saying is for all those 372 00:20:48.440 --> 00:20:53.000 people out there, you got family. But as long as 373 00:20:53.000 --> 00:20:57.680 there's no addictions, if the guy that needs or yall 374 00:20:57.799 --> 00:21:01.160 just needs places day, just getting them back on their feet, 375 00:21:01.200 --> 00:21:08.160 because economic times are harder today, right, And that's why 376 00:21:09.240 --> 00:21:12.960 people listen to your programs to hopefully assist other people, 377 00:21:13.000 --> 00:21:17.559 knowing that there's other things out there. As my brother 378 00:21:17.599 --> 00:21:21.079 would probably not have done what he did if he 379 00:21:21.119 --> 00:21:22.720 would have known he was going to be an uncle. 380 00:21:23.440 --> 00:21:24.920 Yeah. 381 00:21:25.160 --> 00:21:27.799 So again it goes back to you can't blame anybody 382 00:21:27.880 --> 00:21:30.880 for anything, right. 383 00:21:31.599 --> 00:21:32.000 It's. 384 00:21:34.359 --> 00:21:37.720 Your call, and Frank's call leave me speechless. So I 385 00:21:37.799 --> 00:21:39.759 just want to say thanks for calling and sharing this. 386 00:21:40.000 --> 00:21:42.400 No, but that's why at the end of the hour, 387 00:21:43.440 --> 00:21:45.680 I said I'll give it a call and see if 388 00:21:45.720 --> 00:21:48.880 adult still talking about it. Rob asked you, you said yes, 389 00:21:49.759 --> 00:21:51.720 and again goes back to Frank. 390 00:21:53.920 --> 00:21:57.240 Kudos as to both. 391 00:21:57.759 --> 00:22:01.640 Thanks you, Secular, you. 392 00:22:01.680 --> 00:22:05.720 Too, You too, my friend. Thanks much. I'm going to 393 00:22:05.799 --> 00:22:07.519 get one more in here before the break, Rob. I'm 394 00:22:07.519 --> 00:22:10.160 going to go a little longer here. Clara in Florida. Clara, 395 00:22:10.160 --> 00:22:11.599 don't want you have to wait through the news. 396 00:22:11.640 --> 00:22:14.400 Welcome back, Okay, Thank you. 397 00:22:14.480 --> 00:22:20.000 Dan. I have hit rock bottom where I've experienced hell, 398 00:22:20.440 --> 00:22:27.440 and I've I came very close to suicide about a 399 00:22:27.559 --> 00:22:31.000 year ago. I was going to cut myself with a 400 00:22:31.039 --> 00:22:36.880 box cutter. I already had a suicide note written in 401 00:22:36.960 --> 00:22:43.079