1 00:00:04,879 --> 00:00:07,160 Speaker 1: What's going on? Thank you so much for listening to 2 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:09,640 this podcast. It is heard live every day from noon 3 00:00:09,679 --> 00:00:12,519 to three on WBT Radio in Charlotte. And if you 4 00:00:12,560 --> 00:00:16,719 want exclusive content like invitations to events, the weekly live stream, 5 00:00:16,760 --> 00:00:19,239 my daily show prep with all the links, become a patron, 6 00:00:19,320 --> 00:00:22,640 go to dpetecleanershow dot com. Make sure you hit the 7 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:25,160 subscribe button. Get every episode for free right to your 8 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:27,719 smartphone or tablet, And again, thank you so much for 9 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:31,359 your support. So yesterday I brought you the story of 10 00:00:31,440 --> 00:00:36,159 the trial of Judge Hannah Dugan. You remember Hannah Dugan. 11 00:00:36,920 --> 00:00:41,359 She's the judge up in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, who helped a 12 00:00:41,600 --> 00:00:46,439 criminal illegal alien escape out of the back of her 13 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:53,200 courtroom while she created a distraction for the Ice agents 14 00:00:53,920 --> 00:00:57,119 out in the hallway and then enlisted the help of 15 00:00:57,159 --> 00:01:01,679 another judge unbeknownst to that other judge, in order to 16 00:01:03,200 --> 00:01:06,560 send the Ice agents down the hall to get some 17 00:01:07,239 --> 00:01:10,280 permission slip from the chief judge, which they did not 18 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:14,959 actually need to do. So Judge Dougan, as I went 19 00:01:14,959 --> 00:01:20,799 over yesterday, she lied to her fellow judge to help 20 00:01:20,840 --> 00:01:25,719 her in this deception. She lied to the Chief Deputy 21 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:29,359 when she told the chief deputy that the ICE agents 22 00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:32,239 weren't allowed to make any arrests in the hallways. They 23 00:01:32,280 --> 00:01:34,439 actually are, it's a public space. They were allowed to 24 00:01:34,480 --> 00:01:39,040 do that. And then she lied about how there was 25 00:01:39,040 --> 00:01:44,799 some sort of protocols about not making arrests in courtrooms 26 00:01:44,799 --> 00:01:49,560 and such, and then she also lied about whether she 27 00:01:49,879 --> 00:01:54,920 had engaged in the deception. So just lies upon lies, 28 00:01:55,599 --> 00:02:02,120 deception upon deception, and she was charged two charges against her. 29 00:02:03,879 --> 00:02:13,919 One was for misdemeanor concealment and the other was felony obstruction. 30 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:22,759 And the Wisconsin Examiner has been following the trial. It's 31 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:29,159 been going on for the whole week, and I suspected 32 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:32,120 that the defense was going to probably wrap up pretty 33 00:02:32,159 --> 00:02:34,439 quickly because there's really not a lot you can do 34 00:02:34,639 --> 00:02:38,000 or say to disprove the video evidence and the witness 35 00:02:38,039 --> 00:02:42,280 testimony and everybody that was part of this deception. They 36 00:02:42,280 --> 00:02:44,319 were all hauled into court. And by the way, this 37 00:02:44,479 --> 00:02:47,439 was a federal court. This was not a state court. 38 00:02:47,919 --> 00:02:50,080 If it was a state court, you'd have been pulling 39 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:55,120 from a smaller jury pool in Milwaukee, probably more lefty, 40 00:02:55,280 --> 00:02:59,319 you know, But it being a federal trial, you're pulling 41 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:03,439 in people from the federal district, So there are people 42 00:03:03,520 --> 00:03:08,520 outside of the state district, right, so they had more 43 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:14,360 people on the jury than just from Milwaukee. So, after 44 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:19,520 six hours of deliberation, a federal jury found Milwaukee County 45 00:03:19,639 --> 00:03:27,680 Circuit Court Judge Hannah Dugan guilty of the felony obstruction, 46 00:03:29,639 --> 00:03:34,719 but not guilty of the misdemeanor concealing a person from 47 00:03:34,840 --> 00:03:41,439 federal immigration law enforcement. There's some technical reason for that 48 00:03:41,439 --> 00:03:45,240 that the jury got hung up on. I'll tell you 49 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:48,120 about it. But it's like, the more serious charge is 50 00:03:48,159 --> 00:03:54,560 the federal charge. Okay. Again from the Wisconsin Examiner. The 51 00:03:54,639 --> 00:03:58,560 high profile federal trial stemmed from Dugan's interaction with federal 52 00:03:58,599 --> 00:04:00,800 agents who came to her court him to arrest a 53 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:04,039 man who was appearing before her on April eighteenth, which, 54 00:04:04,039 --> 00:04:05,759 by the way, this came out in trial as well, 55 00:04:06,319 --> 00:04:08,840 that Dugan was claiming that they can't make an arrest 56 00:04:08,879 --> 00:04:12,199 in a courtroom, but then other judges were like, no, yeah, 57 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:14,599 they can. It happens all the time. People get arrested 58 00:04:14,599 --> 00:04:17,839 in the courtroom all the time. In fact, it's a 59 00:04:17,879 --> 00:04:21,120 pretty safe place to do an arrest, right because you've 60 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:24,040 got the bailiffs that are there, you got the deputies 61 00:04:24,040 --> 00:04:28,360 that are in the courtroom providing security, right, so you 62 00:04:28,399 --> 00:04:30,800 know they're going to be there, so it's you got 63 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:33,120 extra It's like a force multiplier kind of a thing. 64 00:04:36,199 --> 00:04:42,160 The assistant US attorney Kelly Brown Watska did the closing arguments. 65 00:04:43,079 --> 00:04:47,079 This was yesterday, and she said to the jury that 66 00:04:47,160 --> 00:04:51,600 you don't have to agree with immigration enforcement policy to 67 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:54,680 see that this was wrong. You just have to agree 68 00:04:55,319 --> 00:05:02,480 that the law applies equally to everyone. Correct. That's the key. 69 00:05:03,639 --> 00:05:07,800 This is not a trial about the immigration law. It's 70 00:05:07,839 --> 00:05:12,399 about whether or not a law was violated, which it 71 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:15,319 clearly was. As I went over yesterday when we were 72 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:18,680 going through the testimony and all of that, Dugan's case 73 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:21,959 gained national attention with her defense attorneys saying and closing 74 00:05:22,079 --> 00:05:25,199 arguments that the federal government was trying to make an 75 00:05:25,279 --> 00:05:28,680 example of her, trying to make an example of the 76 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:32,040 sixty six year old judge in an effort to crush 77 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:36,839 those who try to stand up to federal power, which 78 00:05:37,639 --> 00:05:42,480 is confirmation of everything that I have been saying this 79 00:05:42,680 --> 00:05:47,720 whole argument. Thank you. Defense attorney for his name is 80 00:05:47,800 --> 00:05:53,759 Jason Luckzak or lou Zach Luchak. Anyway, thank you Jason 81 00:05:55,040 --> 00:06:00,240 for confirming what I have been saying. This is about nollfication. 82 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:06,800 This is about local and state officials attempting to nullify 83 00:06:07,680 --> 00:06:10,519 a federal law because they don't agree with the law. 84 00:06:12,279 --> 00:06:17,639 And this has been this has been building and is 85 00:06:18,079 --> 00:06:21,279 it is it is now we are in like a well, 86 00:06:21,279 --> 00:06:23,240 I don't want to say we're in the the rolling 87 00:06:23,319 --> 00:06:27,199 boil phase yet, right, because that's the thing too, Like 88 00:06:27,240 --> 00:06:29,519 people are, oh, this has been simmering. But in order 89 00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:32,079 to simmer, you got to boil first, don't you right? 90 00:06:32,920 --> 00:06:35,560 Don't you have to boil first? You could simmer first. 91 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:37,800 I thought you'd bring it to a boil and then 92 00:06:37,839 --> 00:06:41,519 you reduce the heat to simmer. Can you go either 93 00:06:41,519 --> 00:06:43,720 way with that? I don't know. Maybe there's a cook 94 00:06:43,720 --> 00:06:45,879 out there that can that can explain whether you can 95 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:50,680 simmer before boiling. Maybe you can't. Really it doesn't matter 96 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:53,199 for the for the purpose of this story. I am 97 00:06:53,199 --> 00:06:57,040 way down a rabbit hole here. But this issue has 98 00:06:57,079 --> 00:07:00,360 been has has been slowly building to a boil, if 99 00:07:00,360 --> 00:07:03,519 you will, or a simmer, and it's been slowly building 100 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:07,639 because they the people who do not want to see 101 00:07:07,879 --> 00:07:13,600 federal immigration law enforced as it is written, are unable 102 00:07:13,959 --> 00:07:19,360 or unwilling to change the federal law. If you don't 103 00:07:19,639 --> 00:07:23,120 like the law, then you pass a different law, or 104 00:07:23,160 --> 00:07:26,639 you repeal the law you don't like. See, but that 105 00:07:26,839 --> 00:07:27,680 takes work. 106 00:07:28,079 --> 00:07:31,759 Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, you mean I gotta do something as 107 00:07:31,800 --> 00:07:35,160 a lawmaker, Like I was just wanting to go down, 108 00:07:35,560 --> 00:07:38,519 stand on the floor, speak to an empty chamber and 109 00:07:38,600 --> 00:07:40,800 get a TikTok video so I can send it out 110 00:07:40,839 --> 00:07:42,040 in fundraise. 111 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:49,600 Speaker 1: And then hit happy hour. Right, Legislating take some work, 112 00:07:49,959 --> 00:07:53,079 takes some time. It's supposed to, by the way, that's 113 00:07:53,160 --> 00:07:56,519 the point. That's why our system is slow. You're not 114 00:07:56,600 --> 00:08:01,199 supposed to be, you know, rushing headlong into making new 115 00:08:01,319 --> 00:08:06,480 law based on emotion. Right, You're it's supposed to. That's 116 00:08:06,519 --> 00:08:09,240 why we have the two houses of Congress. You have 117 00:08:09,279 --> 00:08:11,240 the House Representative, we have the Senate. Right, we have 118 00:08:11,279 --> 00:08:14,240 the two chambers. I should say, that's why we have too. 119 00:08:14,439 --> 00:08:18,199 You have one that is the House, like the boiling 120 00:08:18,279 --> 00:08:22,680 pass passions of the of the populace, that's most closest 121 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:25,600 to the people. The districts are smaller, right, you got 122 00:08:25,720 --> 00:08:29,720 more members two year terms over in the Senate. It's 123 00:08:29,720 --> 00:08:33,600 supposed to be a deliberative body. They're on six year terms. 124 00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:36,720 They originally were supposed to represent the interests of the state, 125 00:08:36,840 --> 00:08:39,000 but as I forget, it was that said it's the 126 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:42,799 it's the saucer that cools the hot tea or whatever, 127 00:08:42,919 --> 00:08:45,440 because apparently back in the days when people drank tea 128 00:08:46,879 --> 00:08:50,399 because they were still kind of British, I suspect, and 129 00:08:50,519 --> 00:08:52,360 so the idea was you would pour the tea into 130 00:08:52,399 --> 00:08:54,759 the saucer and so that would cool the tea and 131 00:08:54,759 --> 00:08:56,840 then you could drink it. But that always seemed weird 132 00:08:56,879 --> 00:08:58,480 to me because then you're drinking the tea out of 133 00:08:58,480 --> 00:09:01,080 a saucer, which seems like a rep to just douse 134 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:04,159 all of the tea on your on your chest, you know. 135 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:06,519 But I've never tried it, so I don't know. It 136 00:09:06,600 --> 00:09:09,200 just seems like not an ideal situation to drink. But 137 00:09:09,320 --> 00:09:12,360 for cooling purposes it does make sense, that's the point. 138 00:09:12,679 --> 00:09:14,879 But they don't want to go through the process of 139 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:18,600 changing the law, so they're trying to nullify. 140 00:09:19,840 --> 00:09:20,000 Speaker 2: You know. 141 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:22,600 Speaker 1: Stories are powerful. They help us make sense of things, 142 00:09:22,639 --> 00:09:26,080 to understand experiences. 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In fact, simmering is defined as cooking at 161 00:10:33,639 --> 00:10:36,440 a temperature just below the boiling point of water, typically 162 00:10:36,519 --> 00:10:38,840 between one hundred and eighty five degrees fahrenheit and two 163 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:42,000 hundred and five degrees fahrenheit. I'm not even going to 164 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:46,080 give you the celsius readings because that's crap. Where American, 165 00:10:47,360 --> 00:10:50,639 this method involves gentle bubbling with small by the way, 166 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:54,120 I'll just mean that from just like a you know, 167 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:58,039 like a culturally insensitive thing like where Americans, and Fahrenheit's better. 168 00:10:58,080 --> 00:11:02,360 But fahrenheit is better, particularly when you're trying to like 169 00:11:02,399 --> 00:11:05,639 tell people how cold or warm it is outside, because 170 00:11:05,679 --> 00:11:09,720 a degree in celsius it feels a lot different, you know, 171 00:11:10,440 --> 00:11:13,799 going up two degrees celsius is the difference between like, 172 00:11:13,879 --> 00:11:17,679 you know, shorts and sweaters. You know, so fahrenheit is 173 00:11:17,919 --> 00:11:22,000 it's more the degrees are smaller, and so it feels 174 00:11:22,720 --> 00:11:26,360 like you'll know the difference with you know, a ten 175 00:11:26,399 --> 00:11:30,120 degrees swing in fahrenheit versus a ten degrees swing in celsius. 176 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:33,399 That could kill you in celsius. Right, So anyway, now 177 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:36,279 the metric system I am open to, but I digress. 178 00:11:37,399 --> 00:11:39,639 So you can simmer without boiling. It just depends on 179 00:11:39,679 --> 00:11:44,000 what you're trying to do. But it says here rolling 180 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:45,759 blah blah blah blah. To achieve this, you bring the 181 00:11:45,759 --> 00:11:47,759 liquid to a boil first, then reduce the heat to 182 00:11:47,799 --> 00:11:51,399 a lower constant intensity to maintain a steady simmer. That's 183 00:11:51,399 --> 00:11:53,480 how I've always done it. I always boil everything first. 184 00:11:53,480 --> 00:11:58,159 But maybe that's why I'm not such a great cook. Okay, 185 00:11:58,200 --> 00:12:01,679 regarding the Senate, I see the helly in is upset 186 00:12:01,919 --> 00:12:04,679 that on the text line that I used the uh 187 00:12:05,440 --> 00:12:10,759 I used that old. The Senate is the saucer to 188 00:12:11,320 --> 00:12:14,200 use to cool hot tea symbolizing its role in tempering 189 00:12:14,279 --> 00:12:17,240 hasty legislation passed by the House. It's often attributed to 190 00:12:17,279 --> 00:12:21,519 George Washington during a breakfast conversation. So the story goes 191 00:12:21,559 --> 00:12:25,639 with Thomas Jefferson, who had returned from France and questioned 192 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:29,399 the need for a Senate. Washington asked why Jefferson had 193 00:12:29,440 --> 00:12:32,559 poured his coffee into a saucer, and Jefferson said that 194 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:36,080 it was to cool the drink. Washington said, uh, we 195 00:12:36,159 --> 00:12:39,840 pour legislation into the senatorial saucer to cool it. Now, 196 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:42,720 this has become a staple of American political lore, but 197 00:12:42,879 --> 00:12:49,639 its historical accuracy is uncertain. So when the legend becomes fact, 198 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:54,159 print the legend. So I'm sticking with the saucer Coolidge story. 199 00:12:55,360 --> 00:12:58,320 But that's the point. Legislation is supposed to be difficult 200 00:12:58,360 --> 00:13:01,720 to pass, so it it reduces the passions and the 201 00:13:01,759 --> 00:13:05,840 emotionalism when something happens and people rush in to say, 202 00:13:06,120 --> 00:13:09,240 can't somebody do something, and then like I'm gonna pass 203 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:12,720 a bill, and everybody rushes and passes a bill very quickly, 204 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:14,639 and then it's like, you know, a year or two 205 00:13:14,639 --> 00:13:18,200 down the road, you're like, hmm, yeah, that wasn't such 206 00:13:18,200 --> 00:13:24,039 a great idea because there's one outcome. There's only one 207 00:13:24,080 --> 00:13:28,440 outcome for every single piece of legislation ever passed. There's 208 00:13:28,519 --> 00:13:33,279 one similar outcome no matter what the legislation is, and 209 00:13:33,360 --> 00:13:39,440 it is an unintended consequence. There is always something that 210 00:13:39,519 --> 00:13:43,000 occurs from a piece of legislation that was not foreseen, 211 00:13:44,039 --> 00:13:50,480 every single time, good or bad, but an unforeseen impact. 212 00:13:51,279 --> 00:13:56,759 Jordan says, the judge being tried at all is clearly 213 00:13:56,840 --> 00:14:00,360 bigotry and targeting her because remember, everybody is the same 214 00:14:00,440 --> 00:14:03,720 under the law, unless it's for a lefty cause. Because 215 00:14:03,759 --> 00:14:06,919 it's different when Democrats do it, Yes, that is the standard. 216 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:12,039 Things are different when democrats do them. Seven oh four 217 00:14:12,159 --> 00:14:16,080 number anonymous. As passing laws is hard, just abdicate all 218 00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:18,679 responsibility to the executive so they could just do whatever 219 00:14:18,679 --> 00:14:21,960 they want with no question. Right. Well, that's unfortunately what 220 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:25,600 Congress has been doing my entire life. They just keep 221 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:30,320 yielding more and more power to the executive branch. I've 222 00:14:30,360 --> 00:14:36,639 been opposed to this my entire adult life. But I 223 00:14:36,720 --> 00:14:41,360 recognize this is a minority viewpoint. See I am, as 224 00:14:41,399 --> 00:14:44,320 you know, Rush was the mayor of Real Villain. He 225 00:14:44,360 --> 00:14:47,840 always will be. I'm a citizen of Real vill That's 226 00:14:47,840 --> 00:14:50,559 where I try to live. What what can you do? 227 00:14:50,639 --> 00:14:57,000 What is the situation? What is actually occurring, and what 228 00:14:57,080 --> 00:15:00,000 has actually occurred is that members of Congress have been 229 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:05,480 perfectly willing to abdicate responsibility and authority. It's easier for them. 230 00:15:05,840 --> 00:15:07,840 That's where we are, where we have been for a 231 00:15:07,919 --> 00:15:10,679 very long time. That's why in twenty fifteen I supported 232 00:15:10,759 --> 00:15:13,440 Rand Paul in the Republican primary. He was the only 233 00:15:13,519 --> 00:15:19,039 person saying we should seed back some of the powers 234 00:15:19,080 --> 00:15:24,320 that the executive branch has taken from the legislative branch. 235 00:15:24,759 --> 00:15:29,000 The legislature is supposed to be stronger than it currently is, 236 00:15:30,399 --> 00:15:34,919 and that's because the founders never thought that these jelly 237 00:15:34,919 --> 00:15:40,039 spined lawmakers would just give up all their control. I 238 00:15:40,120 --> 00:15:44,159 don't like it anymore than you. 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I think is how he pronounces 265 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:19,799 that who made the case that the jury should acquit 266 00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:24,599 his client, the judge who was attempting to nullify federal 267 00:17:24,640 --> 00:17:28,000 immigration law, all on her own, because if you disagree 268 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:30,599 with the federal immigration law, you should back her play 269 00:17:30,680 --> 00:17:33,240 here and that See, this is just an effort to 270 00:17:33,359 --> 00:17:36,759 crush those who stand up to federal power, which of 271 00:17:36,799 --> 00:17:41,960 course it's not. It's a direct ask for nullification, which 272 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:46,960 the last time Democrats got really really excitable about trying 273 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:50,759 to nullify federal law in order to protect their underclass 274 00:17:50,839 --> 00:17:54,200 of indentured servants and slaves, we ended up in a 275 00:17:54,240 --> 00:17:59,279 shooting war. So this is on brand historically speaking for Democrats. 276 00:17:59,319 --> 00:18:01,920 So we shouldn't be surprised that they don't want federal 277 00:18:02,039 --> 00:18:06,920 laws enforced in jurisdictions they control and where they want 278 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:11,279 cheap labor. The defense attorney asked the jury to consider 279 00:18:11,319 --> 00:18:13,640 whether they were willing to accept the level of government 280 00:18:13,720 --> 00:18:17,279 overreach he and other attorneys argued was exemplified in the case. 281 00:18:18,240 --> 00:18:22,519 The problem was there wasn't any government overreach because there 282 00:18:22,519 --> 00:18:25,200 are laws, and so what it comes down to is 283 00:18:25,240 --> 00:18:27,480 whether or not she's above the law because she's a 284 00:18:27,559 --> 00:18:31,799 lawyer with a wardrobe change during their deliberations. Now, this 285 00:18:31,880 --> 00:18:34,880 gets to the splitting of the verdict. She was found 286 00:18:34,920 --> 00:18:38,240 guilty of the federal or sorry the felony offense, but 287 00:18:38,319 --> 00:18:44,160 acquitted on the misdemeanor charge. The jurors asked multiple times 288 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:50,599 a couple of questions of the judge about whether or 289 00:18:50,720 --> 00:18:56,720 not Dougan needed to know exactly who immigration officers had 290 00:18:56,759 --> 00:19:00,519 come to the courthouse to arrest Okay, because again there 291 00:19:00,519 --> 00:19:06,039 were two charges. The lesser charge was concealment of the suspect, 292 00:19:07,200 --> 00:19:09,839 and so what the jury got hung up on was 293 00:19:10,680 --> 00:19:13,160 whether or not she needed to know who they were 294 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:18,839 coming to take into custody, and they apparently could not 295 00:19:18,920 --> 00:19:22,519 come to a decision on that. The question went to 296 00:19:22,559 --> 00:19:26,880 the obstruction charge, and the US district Judge Lynn Adelman, 297 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:30,319 who was apparently also a leftist, decided that, in fact, 298 00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:33,519 Dugan would need to have known the federal agent's target 299 00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:37,599 in order for the obstruction charge to apply. Prosecutors argued 300 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:42,599 the inminantly against that decision. Now this again is the 301 00:19:43,359 --> 00:19:48,440 Wisconsin Examiner dot com. Prosecutors made their closing arguments in 302 00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:52,519 the federal trial asking jurors to consider what happens if 303 00:19:52,599 --> 00:19:55,759 judges decide which laws they want to follow based on 304 00:19:55,839 --> 00:20:00,559 their own personal beliefs. Jurors have to draw a line 305 00:20:01,079 --> 00:20:04,960 without which without that line quote, there is only chaos, 306 00:20:05,359 --> 00:20:08,039 and that chaos is what the rule of law is 307 00:20:08,079 --> 00:20:13,599 intended to prevent. Right. This only works, this whole experiment, 308 00:20:13,720 --> 00:20:19,200 this whole civilizational experiment here only works if we pass 309 00:20:19,359 --> 00:20:22,880 laws and we write them down, and then we follow 310 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:26,559 what is written down. And when people take it upon 311 00:20:26,599 --> 00:20:29,880 themselves to say I am going to nullify that law, 312 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:32,440 I'm not going to follow that law, and there's no 313 00:20:32,559 --> 00:20:35,319 repercussions for doing so, then you do not have rule 314 00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:38,279 of law. You have rule of man or woman. In 315 00:20:38,359 --> 00:20:40,240 this case, I mean I assume. I don't know how 316 00:20:40,319 --> 00:20:42,599 she identifies, but I'm just saying, like, that's what that's 317 00:20:42,599 --> 00:20:45,200 called is rule of man, rule of the individual, okay, 318 00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:49,240 And that is chaos because you and I are going 319 00:20:49,319 --> 00:20:52,559 to have different opinions about what laws you want to follow. 320 00:20:52,640 --> 00:20:54,599 I got a whole list of laws I would very 321 00:20:54,680 --> 00:20:58,720 much like to not follow, but I follow them because 322 00:20:58,839 --> 00:21:03,279 I expect repercuss if I don't. Calling immigration enforcement of 323 00:21:03,359 --> 00:21:06,839 polarizing issue nationwide, the prosecutor said that Dugan is not 324 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:11,200 on trial for her personal beliefs. She's on trial because 325 00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:16,839 she stepped outside of the law. They played courtroom audio 326 00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:20,079 that was captured at the time of the incident, with 327 00:21:20,279 --> 00:21:26,519 Dugan talking with a court reporter named Joan Butts, okay, 328 00:21:26,599 --> 00:21:29,039 you can are you done? Giggling okay, talking with the 329 00:21:29,079 --> 00:21:33,640 court reporter Joan Butts and saying down the stairs, as 330 00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:36,559 well as Dugan saying I'll do it, I'll take the heat, 331 00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:41,640 and then Butts responds, I'd rather get in trouble, which 332 00:21:41,759 --> 00:21:46,440 speaks to intent and knowledge of forethought. They knew what 333 00:21:46,519 --> 00:21:51,119 they were doing was outside the law. The defense attorney 334 00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:54,319 delivered the closing argument, trying to poke holes in the 335 00:21:54,319 --> 00:21:58,400 prosecution's narrative. He said, this is a very important case. 336 00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:03,079 This is a very un unprecedented trial. Make no mistake, 337 00:22:03,559 --> 00:22:11,319 the government is trying to make an example out of Dugan. Okay, yeah, fine, okay. 338 00:22:12,039 --> 00:22:15,720 And the example is what that judges need to follow 339 00:22:15,759 --> 00:22:19,000 the law. Just because you have a wardrobe change into 340 00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:22,400 a black robe doesn't mean you get to ignore the 341 00:22:22,519 --> 00:22:25,960 laws that you don't like. We are all equal under 342 00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:30,160 the law. If I had done this, I would be prosecuted. 343 00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:35,400 He added that the jury had the power to check 344 00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:40,279 what he described as overreach. So once again, thank you 345 00:22:40,319 --> 00:22:44,400 defense attorney for making the point that he's asking the 346 00:22:44,519 --> 00:22:50,839 jury to participate in the nullification of federal enforcement. The 347 00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:53,039 jury was asked to consider whether they really believe that 348 00:22:53,119 --> 00:23:01,000 Dugan would put her career at risk for this criminal alien. Uh. Yes, 349 00:23:01,079 --> 00:23:06,680 she did, absolutely. And you know why you would only 350 00:23:06,759 --> 00:23:09,880 do this if you thought that you would not suffer 351 00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:14,880 any ramifications. Right, That's why a judge would act outside 352 00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:18,119 the law and open herself up to career suicide. Now, 353 00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:23,440 she probably has, you know, a long and fruitful career 354 00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:26,240 ahead of her as a talking head on Miss Now 355 00:23:27,039 --> 00:23:30,000 formerly MSNBC. Right, I'm sure she's going to make the 356 00:23:30,079 --> 00:23:33,480 rounds on the cable news shows and such. She'll be 357 00:23:33,519 --> 00:23:38,000 fine if she faces any jail time or anything at 358 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:42,480 all like that remains to be seen at sentencing. As 359 00:23:42,559 --> 00:23:46,160 witness testimony in the trial against Dugan concluded Thursday morning, 360 00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:49,880 Milwaukee County judges and public defenders spoke about the confusion 361 00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:54,000 and questions they had about when Ice started arresting people 362 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:56,960 at the County courthouse. I just don't know. So now 363 00:23:56,960 --> 00:23:59,240 all of a sudden, you got all these lawyers and 364 00:23:59,319 --> 00:24:02,240 all this, all these judges, like, we just don't understand 365 00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:05,279 what's going on. Can they walk in the hallways? Can 366 00:24:05,319 --> 00:24:11,039 they make arrests? And yes, yes they can. Milwaukee County 367 00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:17,079 Circuit Court Judge Katie Cagle and Judge Laura Gramlin Perez 368 00:24:17,799 --> 00:24:21,799 testified about emails that local judges were sending each other 369 00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:25,759 asking for guidance and sharing stories about people getting snatched 370 00:24:25,799 --> 00:24:29,920 out of their courtrooms and seeing ICE agents who would 371 00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:41,119 sit in their vehicles outside. WHOA does this mean Milwaukee 372 00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:44,799 County is cooperating with Ice? That's what they were worried about, 373 00:24:45,599 --> 00:24:49,119 because Milwaukee County is not cooperating with ICE detainer requests 374 00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:52,839 at the jail. Milwaukee Police Department has its own policies 375 00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:56,880 that limit its cooperation with ICE. See, so they're all 376 00:24:56,880 --> 00:25:01,160 talking about how do we continue our nullification efforts. That's 377 00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:07,240 what the judges are talking about. Again, very on brand 378 00:25:08,039 --> 00:25:11,599 historically speaking for Democrats. All right, if you're listening to 379 00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:13,160 this show, you know I try to keep up with 380 00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:15,319 all sorts of current events, and I know you do too, 381 00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:17,920 And you've probably heard me say get your news from 382 00:25:18,079 --> 00:25:22,640 multiple sources. Why Well, because it's how you detect media bias, 383 00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:25,240 which is why I've been so impressed with ground News. 384 00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:29,000 It's an app, and it's a website, and it combines 385 00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:31,119 news from around the world in one place, so you 386 00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:34,559 can compare coverage and verify information. 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Then not only helps my podcast, but it 398 00:26:10,759 --> 00:26:13,920 also supports ground news as they make the media landscape 399 00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:17,160 more transparent. This is a seven oh four number. This 400 00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:18,640 is what I'm gonna start doing. By the way, when 401 00:26:19,039 --> 00:26:21,079 when people text in and they don't give me their 402 00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:25,000 name on the text line, I'm gonna take your ideas 403 00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:28,799 because I don't know who to attribute the comments or 404 00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:31,000 thoughts to. And if you have a really good point, 405 00:26:31,799 --> 00:26:33,680 I'm just gonna say that's my point. I'm just going 406 00:26:33,759 --> 00:26:36,480 to read it as if it's my own thought. Or 407 00:26:36,519 --> 00:26:38,119 you could just put your name on the text and 408 00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:41,079 then I will attribute it to you, but without attribution, 409 00:26:42,559 --> 00:26:45,480 or you know what I could do an anonymous source 410 00:26:45,559 --> 00:26:51,079 tells me on the text line, and this is a 411 00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:55,559 very good point. Seven oh four number makes the judge 412 00:26:55,599 --> 00:26:57,720 and the clerk of court that were caught on the 413 00:26:57,759 --> 00:27:01,759 audio tape trying to claim credit, like, who's going to 414 00:27:01,799 --> 00:27:06,200 take the fall for this helping this illegal alien, you know, 415 00:27:06,279 --> 00:27:09,599 duck out the back door of the court room. You 416 00:27:09,599 --> 00:27:11,720 know who will take the heat? I'd rather be the 417 00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:14,759 one that gets in trouble for it. Seven oh four 418 00:27:14,799 --> 00:27:18,720 number says they literally fought over who would take the 419 00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:22,359 blame because they knew there would be no repercussions and 420 00:27:22,559 --> 00:27:26,279 they knew they would get so many thumbs ups thumbs 421 00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:31,440 up from their constituents. That's a really good point, right. 422 00:27:31,599 --> 00:27:34,640 The only reason that you would do this is if 423 00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:37,759 you thought there were no repercussions that you would face. 424 00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:42,160 And in fact, if you're trying to take the heat, 425 00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:44,359 I'll take the heat. No, I'll get in trouble. I'll 426 00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:48,039 be the one. Like you know, there's probably some there. 427 00:27:48,079 --> 00:27:50,319 You're going to get some accolades. And we know that 428 00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:54,680 did occur. It occurred because the other judge that was 429 00:27:54,759 --> 00:28:01,480 sort of duped into helping this distraction effort, Judge Severa, 430 00:28:02,319 --> 00:28:06,279 she was in the courtroom next to Dugan. Dugan grabbed 431 00:28:06,319 --> 00:28:08,359 her and said, hey, come out into the hallway and 432 00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:12,680 wear your robe, and Judge Severa was like, I'm not 433 00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:16,160 so sure about that. This makes me uncomfortable because you 434 00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:19,720 don't wear your robe out into the hallway, she says. 435 00:28:20,039 --> 00:28:22,599 And I've never seen a judge walking around the halls 436 00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:25,319 of any courthouse wearing their robe. They usually take the 437 00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:27,680 robe off in there, you know, in the judge's quarters 438 00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:32,160 back behind the court room. Right when they're walking the halls, 439 00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:35,319 they're just in their suit and tie or whatever. So 440 00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:43,160 severa started getting messages from all these defense attorneys that 441 00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:45,680 were like, good job, because they thought she was in 442 00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:53,119 on the effort to obstruct and distract the ice officials 443 00:28:54,079 --> 00:28:55,880 so they would go down the hall. She walked them 444 00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:58,160 down the hall to go talk to the chief judge, 445 00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:02,039 who wasn't there, under this lie that they needed approval 446 00:29:02,039 --> 00:29:05,039 from the chief judge when they did not. And then 447 00:29:05,079 --> 00:29:09,279 the chief judge sends a text message to Dugan and says, 448 00:29:09,519 --> 00:29:12,200 we need to talk about this, and then follows up 449 00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:15,920 by saying, actually, let's not talk about it at all, 450 00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:19,720 because if we talk about it, you're going to incriminate yourself. 451 00:29:21,279 --> 00:29:24,000 He knew that what she did was wrong too. The 452 00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:28,279 only question was whether you would have an administration that 453 00:29:28,319 --> 00:29:34,480 would prosecute, and Dugan found out that there is now. 454 00:29:35,839 --> 00:29:39,799 And then the question is will a jury convict And 455 00:29:39,839 --> 00:29:43,680 she found out yes, a jury did convict her. She 456 00:29:43,799 --> 00:29:47,240 faces up to five years in prison and a three 457 00:29:47,319 --> 00:29:52,079 hundred and fifty thousand dollars fine for the felony conviction, 458 00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:58,440 but you could smell a butt coming. But as a 459 00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:02,279 non violent offender with the record of service to her community, 460 00:30:03,319 --> 00:30:07,319 she's unlikely to be sentenced to time behind bars. Her 461 00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:10,599 sentencing hearing has not yet been scheduled. And by the way, 462 00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:16,759 I suspect that with a Democrat in the White House, 463 00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:20,000 she gets a pardon for all of this and gets 464 00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:23,480 her law license restored. But that's on the table right now. 465 00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:25,720 It's sentencing. Now, we don't know what the judge overseeing 466 00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:33,880 this case is going to do. By the way, kind 467 00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:37,559 of important to the story. Here's the person that she 468 00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:43,799 attempted to shield from legitimate legal consequences. The criminal illegal 469 00:30:43,839 --> 00:30:48,759 alien Flores Ruiz, was before Dugan for a pre trial 470 00:30:48,799 --> 00:30:52,960 hearing on three misdemeanor charges after allegedly pummeling a man 471 00:30:53,039 --> 00:30:56,039 with more than thirty punches during a March twelfth fight 472 00:30:56,200 --> 00:31:00,359 over loud music. That's according to the criminal complaint. The 473 00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:04,400 Mexican national previously deported from the US in twenty thirteen 474 00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:07,880 and free on a signature bond at the time, So 475 00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:12,119 that's a personal recognizance or unsecured bond or cashless bail 476 00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:14,960 like whatever you want to call it he was free 477 00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:19,960 on a signature bond. Also allegedly struck a woman who 478 00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:25,759 tried to intervene during the altercation. His victims were in 479 00:31:25,799 --> 00:31:31,200 the courtroom at the time this all went down, and 480 00:31:32,319 --> 00:31:36,920 the prosecutor was like, what the heck is going on? 481 00:31:37,119 --> 00:31:43,160 She was confused, and the victims were stunned when they 482 00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:48,720 saw the defendant their attacker. You get ushered out the 483 00:31:48,759 --> 00:31:51,599 back door in order to avoid deportation, and then they 484 00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:54,039 didn't get any of the justice that they had shown 485 00:31:54,119 --> 00:31:57,799 up in court to receive. That's the system that they 486 00:31:57,799 --> 00:32:03,240 are trying to implement. It's just shamee all right. That'll 487 00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:05,880 do it for this episode. Thank you so much for listening. 488 00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:08,160 I could not do the show without your support and 489 00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:10,920 the support of the businesses that advertise on the podcast, 490 00:32:11,279 --> 00:32:13,359 so if you'd like, please support them too and tell 491 00:32:13,359 --> 00:32:15,079 them you heard it here. You can also become a 492 00:32:15,119 --> 00:32:19,799 patron at my Patreon page or go to dpecleanershow dot com. 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