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your support. So yesterday I brought you the story of
the trial of Judge Hannah Dugan. You remember Hannah Dugan.
She's the judge up in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, who helped a
criminal illegal alien escape out of the back of her
courtroom while she created a distraction for the Ice agents
out in the hallway and then enlisted the help of
another judge unbeknownst to that other judge, in order to
send the Ice agents down the hall to get some
permission slip from the chief judge, which they did not
actually need to do. So Judge Dougan, as I went
over yesterday, she lied to her fellow judge to help
her in this deception. She lied to the Chief Deputy
when she told the chief deputy that the ICE agents
weren't allowed to make any arrests in the hallways. They
actually are, it's a public space. They were allowed to
do that. And then she lied about how there was
some sort of protocols about not making arrests in courtrooms
and such, and then she also lied about whether she
had engaged in the deception. So just lies upon lies,
deception upon deception, and she was charged two charges against her.
One was for misdemeanor concealment and the other was felony obstruction.
And the Wisconsin Examiner has been following the trial. It's
been going on for the whole week, and I suspected
that the defense was going to probably wrap up pretty
quickly because there's really not a lot you can do
or say to disprove the video evidence and the witness
testimony and everybody that was part of this deception. They
were all hauled into court. And by the way, this
was a federal court. This was not a state court.
If it was a state court, you'd have been pulling
from a smaller jury pool in Milwaukee, probably more lefty,
you know, But it being a federal trial, you're pulling
in people from the federal district, So there are people
outside of the state district, right, so they had more
people on the jury than just from Milwaukee. So, after
six hours of deliberation, a federal jury found Milwaukee County
Circuit Court Judge Hannah Dugan guilty of the felony obstruction,
but not guilty of the misdemeanor concealing a person from
federal immigration law enforcement. There's some technical reason for that
that the jury got hung up on. I'll tell you
about it. But it's like, the more serious charge is
the federal charge. Okay. Again from the Wisconsin Examiner. The
high profile federal trial stemmed from Dugan's interaction with federal
agents who came to her court him to arrest a
man who was appearing before her on April eighteenth, which,
by the way, this came out in trial as well,
that Dugan was claiming that they can't make an arrest
in a courtroom, but then other judges were like, no, yeah,
they can. It happens all the time. People get arrested
in the courtroom all the time. In fact, it's a
pretty safe place to do an arrest, right because you've
got the bailiffs that are there, you got the deputies
that are in the courtroom providing security, right, so you
know they're going to be there, so it's you got
extra It's like a force multiplier kind of a thing.
The assistant US attorney Kelly Brown Watska did the closing arguments.
This was yesterday, and she said to the jury that
you don't have to agree with immigration enforcement policy to
see that this was wrong. You just have to agree
that the law applies equally to everyone. Correct. That's the key.
This is not a trial about the immigration law. It's
about whether or not a law was violated, which it
clearly was. As I went over yesterday when we were
going through the testimony and all of that, Dugan's case
gained national attention with her defense attorneys saying and closing
arguments that the federal government was trying to make an
example of her, trying to make an example of the
sixty six year old judge in an effort to crush
those who try to stand up to federal power, which
is confirmation of everything that I have been saying this
whole argument. Thank you. Defense attorney for his name is
Jason Luckzak or lou Zach Luchak. Anyway, thank you Jason
for confirming what I have been saying. This is about nollfication.
This is about local and state officials attempting to nullify
a federal law because they don't agree with the law.
And this has been this has been building and is
it is it is now we are in like a well,
I don't want to say we're in the the rolling
boil phase yet, right, because that's the thing too, Like
people are, oh, this has been simmering. But in order
to simmer, you got to boil first, don't you right?
Don't you have to boil first? You could simmer first.
I thought you'd bring it to a boil and then
you reduce the heat to simmer. Can you go either
way with that? I don't know. Maybe there's a cook
out there that can that can explain whether you can
simmer before boiling. Maybe you can't. Really it doesn't matter
for the for the purpose of this story. I am
way down a rabbit hole here. But this issue has
been has has been slowly building to a boil, if
you will, or a simmer, and it's been slowly building
because they the people who do not want to see
federal immigration law enforced as it is written, are unable
or unwilling to change the federal law. If you don't
like the law, then you pass a different law, or
you repeal the law you don't like. See, but that
takes work.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, you mean I gotta do something as
a lawmaker, Like I was just wanting to go down,
stand on the floor, speak to an empty chamber and
get a TikTok video so I can send it out
in fundraise.
Speaker 1: And then hit happy hour. Right, Legislating take some work,
takes some time. It's supposed to, by the way, that's
the point. That's why our system is slow. You're not
supposed to be, you know, rushing headlong into making new
law based on emotion. Right, You're it's supposed to. That's
why we have the two houses of Congress. You have
the House Representative, we have the Senate. Right, we have
the two chambers. I should say, that's why we have too.
You have one that is the House, like the boiling
pass passions of the of the populace, that's most closest
to the people. The districts are smaller, right, you got
more members two year terms over in the Senate. It's
supposed to be a deliberative body. They're on six year terms.
They originally were supposed to represent the interests of the state,
but as I forget, it was that said it's the
it's the saucer that cools the hot tea or whatever,
because apparently back in the days when people drank tea
because they were still kind of British, I suspect, and
so the idea was you would pour the tea into
the saucer and so that would cool the tea and
then you could drink it. But that always seemed weird
to me because then you're drinking the tea out of
a saucer, which seems like a rep to just douse
all of the tea on your on your chest, you know.
But I've never tried it, so I don't know. It
just seems like not an ideal situation to drink. But
for cooling purposes it does make sense, that's the point.
But they don't want to go through the process of
changing the law, so they're trying to nullify.
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without boiling. In fact, simmering is defined as cooking at
a temperature just below the boiling point of water, typically
between one hundred and eighty five degrees fahrenheit and two
hundred and five degrees fahrenheit. I'm not even going to
give you the celsius readings because that's crap. Where American,
this method involves gentle bubbling with small by the way,
I'll just mean that from just like a you know,
like a culturally insensitive thing like where Americans, and Fahrenheit's better.
But fahrenheit is better, particularly when you're trying to like
tell people how cold or warm it is outside, because
a degree in celsius it feels a lot different, you know,
going up two degrees celsius is the difference between like,
you know, shorts and sweaters. You know, so fahrenheit is
it's more the degrees are smaller, and so it feels
like you'll know the difference with you know, a ten
degrees swing in fahrenheit versus a ten degrees swing in celsius.
That could kill you in celsius. Right, So anyway, now
the metric system I am open to, but I digress.
So you can simmer without boiling. It just depends on
what you're trying to do. But it says here rolling
blah blah blah blah. To achieve this, you bring the
liquid to a boil first, then reduce the heat to
a lower constant intensity to maintain a steady simmer. That's
how I've always done it. I always boil everything first.
But maybe that's why I'm not such a great cook. Okay,
regarding the Senate, I see the helly in is upset
that on the text line that I used the uh
I used that old. The Senate is the saucer to
use to cool hot tea symbolizing its role in tempering
hasty legislation passed by the House. It's often attributed to
George Washington during a breakfast conversation. So the story goes
with Thomas Jefferson, who had returned from France and questioned
the need for a Senate. Washington asked why Jefferson had
poured his coffee into a saucer, and Jefferson said that
it was to cool the drink. Washington said, uh, we
pour legislation into the senatorial saucer to cool it. Now,
this has become a staple of American political lore, but
its historical accuracy is uncertain. So when the legend becomes fact,
print the legend. So I'm sticking with the saucer Coolidge story.
But that's the point. Legislation is supposed to be difficult
to pass, so it it reduces the passions and the
emotionalism when something happens and people rush in to say,
can't somebody do something, and then like I'm gonna pass
a bill, and everybody rushes and passes a bill very quickly,
and then it's like, you know, a year or two
down the road, you're like, hmm, yeah, that wasn't such
a great idea because there's one outcome. There's only one
outcome for every single piece of legislation ever passed. There's
one similar outcome no matter what the legislation is, and
it is an unintended consequence. There is always something that
occurs from a piece of legislation that was not foreseen,
every single time, good or bad, but an unforeseen impact.
Jordan says, the judge being tried at all is clearly
bigotry and targeting her because remember, everybody is the same
under the law, unless it's for a lefty cause. Because
it's different when Democrats do it, Yes, that is the standard.
Things are different when democrats do them. Seven oh four
number anonymous. As passing laws is hard, just abdicate all
responsibility to the executive so they could just do whatever
they want with no question. Right. Well, that's unfortunately what
Congress has been doing my entire life. They just keep
yielding more and more power to the executive branch. I've
been opposed to this my entire adult life. But I
recognize this is a minority viewpoint. See I am, as
you know, Rush was the mayor of Real Villain. He
always will be. I'm a citizen of Real vill That's
where I try to live. What what can you do?
What is the situation? What is actually occurring, and what
has actually occurred is that members of Congress have been
perfectly willing to abdicate responsibility and authority. It's easier for them.
That's where we are, where we have been for a
very long time. That's why in twenty fifteen I supported
Rand Paul in the Republican primary. He was the only
person saying we should seed back some of the powers
that the executive branch has taken from the legislative branch.
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when I last left off with the actual details of
this trial of Judge Hannah Dugan, before I got sidetracked
with simmering and boiling and such, I was applauding the
defense attorney Jason Luckzak. I think is how he pronounces
that who made the case that the jury should acquit
his client, the judge who was attempting to nullify federal
immigration law, all on her own, because if you disagree
with the federal immigration law, you should back her play
here and that See, this is just an effort to
crush those who stand up to federal power, which of
course it's not. It's a direct ask for nullification, which
the last time Democrats got really really excitable about trying
to nullify federal law in order to protect their underclass
of indentured servants and slaves, we ended up in a
shooting war. So this is on brand historically speaking for Democrats.
So we shouldn't be surprised that they don't want federal
laws enforced in jurisdictions they control and where they want
cheap labor. The defense attorney asked the jury to consider
whether they were willing to accept the level of government
overreach he and other attorneys argued was exemplified in the case.
The problem was there wasn't any government overreach because there
are laws, and so what it comes down to is
whether or not she's above the law because she's a
lawyer with a wardrobe change during their deliberations. Now, this
gets to the splitting of the verdict. She was found
guilty of the federal or sorry the felony offense, but
acquitted on the misdemeanor charge. The jurors asked multiple times
a couple of questions of the judge about whether or
not Dougan needed to know exactly who immigration officers had
come to the courthouse to arrest Okay, because again there
were two charges. The lesser charge was concealment of the suspect,
and so what the jury got hung up on was
whether or not she needed to know who they were
coming to take into custody, and they apparently could not
come to a decision on that. The question went to
the obstruction charge, and the US district Judge Lynn Adelman,
who was apparently also a leftist, decided that, in fact,
Dugan would need to have known the federal agent's target
in order for the obstruction charge to apply. Prosecutors argued
the inminantly against that decision. Now this again is the
Wisconsin Examiner dot com. Prosecutors made their closing arguments in
the federal trial asking jurors to consider what happens if
judges decide which laws they want to follow based on
their own personal beliefs. Jurors have to draw a line
without which without that line quote, there is only chaos,
and that chaos is what the rule of law is
intended to prevent. Right. This only works, this whole experiment,
this whole civilizational experiment here only works if we pass
laws and we write them down, and then we follow
what is written down. And when people take it upon
themselves to say I am going to nullify that law,
I'm not going to follow that law, and there's no
repercussions for doing so, then you do not have rule
of law. You have rule of man or woman. In
this case, I mean I assume. I don't know how
she identifies, but I'm just saying, like, that's what that's
called is rule of man, rule of the individual, okay,
And that is chaos because you and I are going
to have different opinions about what laws you want to follow.
I got a whole list of laws I would very
much like to not follow, but I follow them because
I expect repercuss if I don't. Calling immigration enforcement of
polarizing issue nationwide, the prosecutor said that Dugan is not
on trial for her personal beliefs. She's on trial because
she stepped outside of the law. They played courtroom audio
that was captured at the time of the incident, with
Dugan talking with a court reporter named Joan Butts, okay,
you can are you done? Giggling okay, talking with the
court reporter Joan Butts and saying down the stairs, as
well as Dugan saying I'll do it, I'll take the heat,
and then Butts responds, I'd rather get in trouble, which
speaks to intent and knowledge of forethought. They knew what
they were doing was outside the law. The defense attorney
delivered the closing argument, trying to poke holes in the
prosecution's narrative. He said, this is a very important case.
This is a very un unprecedented trial. Make no mistake,
the government is trying to make an example out of Dugan. Okay, yeah, fine, okay.
And the example is what that judges need to follow
the law. Just because you have a wardrobe change into
a black robe doesn't mean you get to ignore the
laws that you don't like. We are all equal under
the law. If I had done this, I would be prosecuted.
He added that the jury had the power to check
what he described as overreach. So once again, thank you
defense attorney for making the point that he's asking the
jury to participate in the nullification of federal enforcement. The
jury was asked to consider whether they really believe that
Dugan would put her career at risk for this criminal alien. Uh. Yes,
she did, absolutely. And you know why you would only
do this if you thought that you would not suffer
any ramifications. Right, That's why a judge would act outside
the law and open herself up to career suicide. Now,
she probably has, you know, a long and fruitful career
ahead of her as a talking head on Miss Now
formerly MSNBC. Right, I'm sure she's going to make the
rounds on the cable news shows and such. She'll be
fine if she faces any jail time or anything at
all like that remains to be seen at sentencing. As
witness testimony in the trial against Dugan concluded Thursday morning,
Milwaukee County judges and public defenders spoke about the confusion
and questions they had about when Ice started arresting people
at the County courthouse. I just don't know. So now
all of a sudden, you got all these lawyers and
all this, all these judges, like, we just don't understand
what's going on. Can they walk in the hallways? Can
they make arrests? And yes, yes they can. Milwaukee County
Circuit Court Judge Katie Cagle and Judge Laura Gramlin Perez
testified about emails that local judges were sending each other
asking for guidance and sharing stories about people getting snatched
out of their courtrooms and seeing ICE agents who would
sit in their vehicles outside. WHOA does this mean Milwaukee
County is cooperating with Ice? That's what they were worried about,
because Milwaukee County is not cooperating with ICE detainer requests
at the jail. Milwaukee Police Department has its own policies
that limit its cooperation with ICE. See, so they're all
talking about how do we continue our nullification efforts. That's
what the judges are talking about. Again, very on brand
historically speaking for Democrats. All right, if you're listening to
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more transparent. This is a seven oh four number. This
is what I'm gonna start doing. By the way, when
when people text in and they don't give me their
name on the text line, I'm gonna take your ideas
because I don't know who to attribute the comments or
thoughts to. And if you have a really good point,
I'm just gonna say that's my point. I'm just going
to read it as if it's my own thought. Or
you could just put your name on the text and
then I will attribute it to you, but without attribution,
or you know what I could do an anonymous source
tells me on the text line, and this is a
very good point. Seven oh four number makes the judge
and the clerk of court that were caught on the
audio tape trying to claim credit, like, who's going to
take the fall for this helping this illegal alien, you know,
duck out the back door of the court room. You
know who will take the heat? I'd rather be the
one that gets in trouble for it. Seven oh four
number says they literally fought over who would take the
blame because they knew there would be no repercussions and
they knew they would get so many thumbs ups thumbs
up from their constituents. That's a really good point, right.
The only reason that you would do this is if
you thought there were no repercussions that you would face.
And in fact, if you're trying to take the heat,
I'll take the heat. No, I'll get in trouble. I'll
be the one. Like you know, there's probably some there.
You're going to get some accolades. And we know that
did occur. It occurred because the other judge that was
sort of duped into helping this distraction effort, Judge Severa,
she was in the courtroom next to Dugan. Dugan grabbed
her and said, hey, come out into the hallway and
wear your robe, and Judge Severa was like, I'm not
so sure about that. This makes me uncomfortable because you
don't wear your robe out into the hallway, she says.
And I've never seen a judge walking around the halls
of any courthouse wearing their robe. They usually take the
robe off in there, you know, in the judge's quarters
back behind the court room. Right when they're walking the halls,
they're just in their suit and tie or whatever. So
severa started getting messages from all these defense attorneys that
were like, good job, because they thought she was in
on the effort to obstruct and distract the ice officials
so they would go down the hall. She walked them
down the hall to go talk to the chief judge,
who wasn't there, under this lie that they needed approval
from the chief judge when they did not. And then
the chief judge sends a text message to Dugan and says,
we need to talk about this, and then follows up
by saying, actually, let's not talk about it at all,
because if we talk about it, you're going to incriminate yourself.
He knew that what she did was wrong too. The
only question was whether you would have an administration that
would prosecute, and Dugan found out that there is now.
And then the question is will a jury convict And
she found out yes, a jury did convict her. She
faces up to five years in prison and a three
hundred and fifty thousand dollars fine for the felony conviction,
but you could smell a butt coming. But as a
non violent offender with the record of service to her community,
she's unlikely to be sentenced to time behind bars. Her
sentencing hearing has not yet been scheduled. And by the way,
I suspect that with a Democrat in the White House,
she gets a pardon for all of this and gets
her law license restored. But that's on the table right now.
It's sentencing. Now, we don't know what the judge overseeing
this case is going to do. By the way, kind
of important to the story. Here's the person that she
attempted to shield from legitimate legal consequences. The criminal illegal
alien Flores Ruiz, was before Dugan for a pre trial
hearing on three misdemeanor charges after allegedly pummeling a man
with more than thirty punches during a March twelfth fight
over loud music. That's according to the criminal complaint. The
Mexican national previously deported from the US in twenty thirteen
and free on a signature bond at the time, So
that's a personal recognizance or unsecured bond or cashless bail
like whatever you want to call it he was free
on a signature bond. Also allegedly struck a woman who
tried to intervene during the altercation. His victims were in
the courtroom at the time this all went down, and
the prosecutor was like, what the heck is going on?
She was confused, and the victims were stunned when they
saw the defendant their attacker. You get ushered out the
back door in order to avoid deportation, and then they
didn't get any of the justice that they had shown
up in court to receive. That's the system that they
are trying to implement. It's just shamee all right. That'll
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