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smartphone or tablet, And again, thank you so much for

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your support. Let me do this. We have been following

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one of the state laws that was passed about moving

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control of the North Carolina Board of Elections out from

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underneath the GOVNA and over underneath the State Auditor's office. Okay,

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and there's a history here. I'm going to go through

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the history of it and how we got to where

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we are. But of course, after the law passed the legislature,

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Governor Josh Stein vetoed it, and the legislature overrode the veto.

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They sued and now it's in court. Okay, So that's

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where it is. And simply it just takes the control

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over the Board of Elections system from the governor, moves

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it to the state auditor. Okay. So we had a

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ruling that came down from a three judge panel in

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Waite County that blocked the law. They blocked it. They

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split in their decision two to one. Without court action,

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the state Auditor, Dave Bullock, would have had the authority

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to make new appointments to the state Board of Elections

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on May first. According to the Carolina Journal report on

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the matter, Stein would have lost his power to appoint

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members to the election's board. Stein is a Democrat. Bullock,

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the state Auditor, and the legislature the legislative leaders are Republicans.

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The panel of the three judges granted Stein's motion Governor

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Josh Stein's motion for summary judgment that means he wins

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the case without the need for a trial. The ruling

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arrived nine days after the judges heard arguments in the case,

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and of course it only leaves like a week to

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appeal before the May one deadline. Judges Edwin Wilson and

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Lorie Hamilton supported the decision. Judge Andrew Womble dissented. Wilson

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is a Democrat, Hamilton and Womble are Republicans, so Lourie Hamilton,

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a Republican, voted with Wilson to keep it under the

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governor's office. The panel first concludes that the State Board

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and the county boards exercise primarily executive functions. The opinion

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goes on to state that because the State Board and

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county boards exercise executive functions, the question becomes whether the

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governor has sufficient control over these entities. Again, the previous

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ruling in Cooper v. Berger or Cooper I. As it's called,

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that controls our Supreme Court has held that Article three,

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section five, sub section four of the North Carolina Constitution

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requires the governor to have enough control over commissions or

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boards that are primarily administrative or executive in character to

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perform his or her constitutional duty. The extent of the

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governor's control depends on his ability to appoint members, supervise

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their activities, and remove them from office. Senate Bill three

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eighty two, which is the law that was passed, interferes

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with the governor's conscostitutional duties. All appointment powers for the

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State Board have been removed from the governor and given

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to the State Auditor, and the governor has no power

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to fill vacancies or remove members of the State Board,

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whether for lack of attendance or for cause. Likewise, with

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respect to the county boards as well, he loses that

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appointment power and the power to remove the Constitution does

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not permit the auditor to be solely responsible for execution

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of the state's election laws. Constitutional text, history, and precedent

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confirm as much, they said. They went on to say

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that because the duty to faithfully execute the laws has

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been exclusively assigned to the governor, Senate Bill three eighty

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two cannot reassign that duty to the auditor without violating

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the constitution. So, in other words, the majority is citing

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the governor's supreme executive power. And they said, Council of

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State members aid them governor in executing the laws, but

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the governor alone wields the state's executive authority and bears

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the ultimate duty of faithful execution. Okay, So that's why

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the two judges, Democrat and Republican, ruled in favor of

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keeping the governor in charge of the Board of Elections. Now,

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some background, and this is provided by the Carolina Partnership

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for Reform, and they say, by way of background, one

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political party has control over administering elections and counting votes

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one political party. What party controls is determined by what

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party wins the governor's race for reasons that should be obvious.

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Putting control of the election in the hands of one

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political party is not a very good idea. That's how

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it works right now. And by the way, just as

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an aside, if you are wondering why the left is

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fighting so hard against the mass deportations, it's because it

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will determine the outcome of elections. And I'm not talking

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about illegal aliens voting. I'm talking about counting people in

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the census. Right. The more people that you move into areas,

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they count in the census, and that then apportions members

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of Congress to that state for that area. So if

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you have a state that has a million, well, let

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me do it this way. If you have a state

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that has eight hundred thousand illegal aliens, and so let's

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say you have eight hundred thousand illegal aliens in Los Angeles.

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Let's just say that. Okay, that's about the size of

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a congressional district. Because the way you draw the districts

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is you take the total population, you divide it by

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four hundred and thirty five members of the House, and

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that gives you a population for each district size. Every

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state like, well, what about states that don't have eight

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hundred thousand people, Well, they get a minimum of one seat,

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and then you apportion all the rest of the seats

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based on the eight hundred thousand figure. So if you

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have eight hundred thousand illegal aliens in Los Angeles, Los

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Angeles would get a congressional seat. And if they can't

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vote in the federal race because they were legal aliens,

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why that's even better, right, because you got the seat,

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but you don't have to have to actually represent them

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because they can't vote for you or against you. Right,

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And what the analysis from the last census showed, because

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remember Donald Trump when he was president for the twenty

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twenty census, which then got upended because of COVID, Remember

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that they tried to do a citizenship They tried to

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not count citizen or non citizens, right, They only wanted

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a count of the citizens, not the illegal aliens, And

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they got sued over that in all event, and they

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had to count them, so they end up counting all

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these seats. Had they not done that, had they only

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counted citizens, Republicans would have a twenty seven seat majority.

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It's estimated a twenty seven seat majority in the US House.

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That's why Democrats can't they can't let this go. They

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have to fight this. They have to fight the deportation

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regime because if they lose, they won't ever control the House.

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They need those people to be counted in the next census.

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Already losing seats, California lost a seat, New York State

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lost a seat. North Carolina picked one up. I forget

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who else. Florida I think picked one up. Texas has

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been picking up states or seats in the House. That's

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the fight. That's why when you when you're trying to

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figure out why is there all this pushback, why are

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they defending some Ms thirteen gang member? They're trying to

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slow it all down because they need the people in

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these districts, in these states to keep the census count

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high for them. It's about that control of the House,

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video dot com. Alrighty, so the background here from the

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Carolina Partnership for Reform again. One political party controls our

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election system, and that party is whatever party the governor is.

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For reasons that are obvious, they say, putting control in

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the hands of one political party is not a great idea,

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but that's how it works now. For nearly a decade,

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the state legislature has been trying to make it so

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that no political party has full control of the elections machinery.

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They have offered all sorts of ways to accomplish this.

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I have covered them literally for a decade. The Republican

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Legislature has offered I have lost count how many different

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mechanisms with different boards made up of different appointments and

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sizes and whatever. They have tried, probably half a dozen,

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maybe like they did. I think they ran a constitutional amendment,

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They passed laws, then they get sued. They have been

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trying to wrest this control from one political party, but

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at every turn the governor sued and or vetoed so

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his party would keep power. The governor argued in court

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that elections administration is an inherently executive branch manner matter.

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And in the meantime, the State Board of Elections has

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been a partisan disaster. Four executive directors, who are apparently

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chosen by the governor's campaign team. Four have resigned, including

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for overt partisan behavior. The board was the subject of

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national media scrutiny for appearing to keep the Green Party

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off the ballot so as to protect Democrat candidates from

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vote siphoning. You'll recall the Green Party sued believe this

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was twenty twenty two. They sued and they won in

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twenty twenty when the board secretly settled a lawsuit that

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was brought by Democrats' allies, and the secret settlement changed

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voting laws in the middle of the election, which is

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a violation of the Percel rule, which is that you

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don't change election laws if you're the court, you're hearing

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a case or whatever, you don't. Courts are very hesitant

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to change any rules before an election, let alone while

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it is going on. Yet, with the secret settlement, the

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collusive agreement, that this deal that was cut between Democrats

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at the State Board of Elections and their political allies

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that had sued to try to get these the relaxation

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of voting rules during the pandemic that Democrats had tried

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to get done. The Democrats in the Board of Elections,

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the executive director, Karen Brinson Bell, she had been trying

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to get this stuff done. The legislature was like, no,

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we're going to do these other things. And she's like, oh,

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we're going to do this. No, you're not doing this.

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And then they had sued and then they enter into

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an agreement. Even though the legislature was party to the lawsuit.

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They did not tell the legislative defendants about the collusive agreement.

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They settled it on the side. Why would they do

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that because they knew that the legislature would not agree

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to it. It's scandalous behavior. So finally last year the

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legislature said, enough is enough. We are done trying to

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find a middle ground. Here. We are passing a law

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and giving elections administration to a different executive branch official,

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the State Auditor. You could have had an equal split,

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mister Governor, but you wouldn't take it, and the governor sued,

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of course, and now that brings us to the decision

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from these three judges in Wake County. There are three

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parts of the constitution that inform the outcome of this case.

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According to the Partnership for Reform, all of the parts

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are contained in Article three of our state Constitution. First part,

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the Governor shall take care that the laws be faithfully executed. Next,

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the General Assembly shall prescribe the function, powers, and duties

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of the administrative departments and agencies of the State, and

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may alter them from time to time. And finally, the

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third part that the State Auditor or any of the

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Council of State positions. Their duties shall be prescribed by law.

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So se PR says, these three passages sometimes come into conflict,

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and they apparently do in this case. On the one hand,

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the governor is supposed to faithfully execute the laws that

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the General Assembly passes, and on the other hand, the

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Constitution calls for other independently elected executive branch officials and

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charges the General Assembly with deciding on their duties. Right,

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So the General Assembly is supposed to say, hey, auditor,

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this is what you're supposed to do. We passed a law,

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it's signed by the governor or veto, we overwrote it.

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Whatever we did this law, you have to do this.

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That's the role of the legislative branch. The General Assembly

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argument here is that it is fully within its constitutional

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authority to decide which administrative department or agency should be

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in charge of elections administration. Right, this comes up every

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now and again, particularly when they're having a devil of

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a time counting all of the ballots before Christmas, you know,

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and it's like the Secretary of State is not in

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charge of the elections. Elaine Marshall keeps, you know, I

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always has to put out some statement because she gets

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inundated with media requests because you know they're failing to

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count the ballots quickly enough and they're making a bunch

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of mistakes or whatever, and Elaine Marshall always has to

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come out and put out a statement saying, I'm not

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in charge of the election system. The governor is Board

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of Elections Governor. It's not my purview because in most

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other states, the Secretary of State is in charge, but

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not here so does the legislature have the authority to

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move these responsibilities to a different executive office that is

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part of the Council of State. The Council of State

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ten seats all elected statewide, and the Auditor is one

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of those seats. Governor is one lieutenant governor, Attorney General,

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Secretary of State, Agriculture Commissioner. These are the Council of

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State seats, and the legislature says we can do this

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because it's our job in the Constitution to prescribe the

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duties of these offices. The governor argues that only he

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can be in charge of elections administration because the constitution

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says he must take care that laws are faithfully executed.

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According to the Carolina Partnership for reform did not meaningfully

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wrestle with the other sections of the constitution that they

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just outlined there. And by the court's logic, the governor

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and only the governor can decide how to execute the

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state's laws. That position would render every other Council of

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State member subservient to the governor's ultimate decisions. Though, for example,

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the law requires the state auditor to do audits, which

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is kind of a giveaway because of his name and

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everything or the title, But that is to determine if

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state state agencies are operating efficiently. How can it be

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then that the state auditor can execute that law on

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his own. But it's somehow unconstitutional for him to execute

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another law, one that tells him to administer elections. Why

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would he have to Why would he have to do

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that law for the audits. The duty to execute the

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election's law is no different than the duty to execute

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the audit law. The legislature assigned both to the state auditor.

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Either there's a Council of State whose duties are prescribed

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by the legislature or there isn't. And here's the problem

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with this ruling. They don't address this issue, this conflict. Now,

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I don't know if they're going to appeal it. I

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suspect they will. I don't know if they're going to

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have time to beat the May one deadline. I suspect

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they won't, But we shall see. Here's a great idea.

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you know that under North Carolina law, lottery winners here

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in this state have to reveal their identities unless they

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win under six hundred dollars. That's the cutoff. So if

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you just win five ninety nine, you know, then you

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don't have to You don't have to go public with

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your name because frankly, nobody cares, right, I mean nobody cares.

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They go, wow, you won five hundred dollars on the lottery.

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You're like, they're not putting it. They're not putting you

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in the newspaper for that, they're not putting you on

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TV commercials for that, right, But anything above six hundred dollars, well,

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now you're basically famous. You make six hundred two dollars.

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You win that on a lottery ticket. Now, everybody wants

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to know who you are. See, it's very logical actually

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when you think about it. But also unless you win

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less than six hundred or more than fifty million, okay,

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so there's this window. If you win more than fifty million,

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then you can be anonymous. If you win forty nine million,

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everybody knows you won forty nine million. You went over

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fifty million, now you can be anonymous. Okay, but I'm

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not sure you're aware of this. But when people win

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lots of money through a lottery, sometimes bad things happen

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to them. It's actually pretty common. They get targeted. And

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there is this interesting dynamic that occurs because like if

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I if I am a self made millionaire or a

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billionaire to quote Bernie, if I make the money myself,

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people come to me and ask me for my money

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and I say no, you know, they hit you up

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for charitable donations or family members are like, I don't

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want to work, give me some money, you know whatever,

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And I can say no because I worked for it,

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I earn this money. I'm a self made millionaire. Right. However,

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if I won the money, well, now I don't have

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that excuse because I just found it. Basically, Like, what

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am I supposed to say to that, Like they're asking

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me to just make it rain on them long loss

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cousin that I've never met, and I'm supposed to just

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give them a million dollars or okay, one hundred thousand

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dollars or something. Oh, come on, it's not like you

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earned it. You just want it. Why do you It's

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not that it wasn't even really yours, you know, come on,

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share the wealth. It'll be like I'm winning the lottery too. Whatever.

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It becomes difficult to say no. And a lot of

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people who win large sums of money in the lotteries,

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they they don't make good fiscal decisions. Okay, they're not

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good at financial management, and they get taken in by

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scam artists. They make bad investments because now they all

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owe this money and like, oh, we should invest in

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a restaurant together or something. Oh we should invest in this, Oh,

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buy a bunch of this whatever. They also get harassed,

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they get stalked. In some cases this is true, they've

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been kidnapped, held for ransom, and even murdered. So there

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is a bit of a downside to winning the lottery

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when you have to give your name out. And now

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with the rise of social media and the ability for

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people to target you when they know your name, the

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State Senate and the State House are now looking at

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two different bills to try to limit this. The Senate

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has a bill, Senate Bill four h two that what

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started off that it started off mandating anonymity for anybody

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who want a million dollars and above. So if you

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want a million or more, you're mandated anonymous. However, Senator

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Ralph Hyes, the bill sponsor, he raised that to five million,

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and he said the change was at the North Carolina

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Lottery Commission's request. The Lottery Commission requested this because they

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often use personalized stories of winners to advertise real life wins. Yeah,

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that's the problem, guys. This I don't understand this argument.

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This makes no sense, Like, hey, I don't want to

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be named because people are targeting me for harassment. Heyes

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comes along and says, okay, we'll go ahead and say

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anything above a million dollars. I say, thank you very much.

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That will help protect me if I win. And the

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Lottery Commission comes in, who WHOA WHOA whoa we advertise

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with this, we need Pete to advertise. Make it five million, Okay,

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I'll make it five million, right. The whole point is

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to keep you from using me to advertise the fact

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that I won over a million dollars. What are you doing?

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High said he was inspired to sponsor the bill originally

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after he had a conversation with a five million dollars

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scratch off winner. The winner told heys they had been

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harassed by salespeople showing up at their door with investment opportunities. Well,

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if you won five million dollars, I would recommend a

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very stout home security system, maybe with some mounted turrets.

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The North Carolina State House Bill, on the other hand,

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that that's the Senate bill. The House bill mandates that

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any lottery winner of any amount has the option to

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remain anonymous. I like that one. I like that one

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because if I were to win fifty thousand dollars, I

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don't want, you know, people finding out about that. I

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don't need my wife knowing I won that kind of money.

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That's not In twenty twenty four, four players won five

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million dollars or more. Seventy five players won a million

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or more. According to WRAL. All of them had to

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go public with that information. They had to include their

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full names, city of residents, and the game and date

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that they played and how much they won. And then

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I think they were handed a can of spray paint

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and they had to paint a huge target right on

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their chest and back. Anonymity is a hot button issue

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across the US. As the Internet makes it easier to find,

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scam and harass people, winners are clamoring for anonymity. The

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Virginia Legislature voted unanimously in March to lower the states

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anonymity allowance from ten million down to one million. Here's

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the problem. If you make it all anonymous, how do

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you know that real people actually won? Right? It could

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be like Running Man? Remember that movie, the documentary running Man,

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where people would quote win the contest, then you never

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saw them again. M h. I still think it should

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be voluntary. If you don't want to go public, you

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don't go public. I think that's a fair compromise. All right.

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If you're listening to this show, you know I try

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Marcus Lamonas is? Marcus Lamonis. He is the CEO of

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Camping World aka the profit pro fit. He did a

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show on CNBC Christy and I used to watch it

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all the time he would go in and help small

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businesses build them up and such. He's done several in

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our region. And he then at some point he became

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the CEO of Camping World. And one of the things

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that he does at Camping World is he hoists a

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massive American flag and like all of his Camping World locations,

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and he even did it at one of the barbecue

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joints that he helped to rescue I think down in

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South Carolina. And now he's in trouble. The CEO of

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Camping World claims that he was forced to close down

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one of his North Carolina stores. This is out in Greenville,

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North Carolina, as he defied local politicians over the massive

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American flags flying over the locations. Marcus Lamonis made the

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shocking revelation that one of the national RV dealerships in

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Greenville was shuttered April eighteenth. He says he was forced

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to shut down operations at the smaller of the two

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locations after the city council sued him and his company

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for violating city ordinance with the larger than life flags.

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Larger than life, I mean, they're just big flags. They're

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not larger than life, and they've been nailing him with

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fines constantly. He said, we think the ordinance is wrong.

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I think it's all so wrong that council members have

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been working very actively to disparage my business Greenville. City

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of Greenville notes that the flag is almost the size

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of a basketball court. Oh no, a basketball court. Oh no,

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that's too big. Yeah, not a tennis court, a basketball court.

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It's thirty two hundred square feet. That's that's like almost

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twice the size of my house. But you got to

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be able to see it from the interstate. The poll

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that flies from is one hundred thirty feet tall, almost

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double the current allowance. Quote. This has never been about

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removing an American flag or the type of flag. It

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is about bringing the flag into compliance with city code.

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According to the Greenville Communications manager, brock Letchworth, again with

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these Deckenzian names. Anyway, we look forward to finding a

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resolution that will result in the continued display of the flag,

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but in a way that does not violate local laws. So,

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in other words, we want you to have a smaller flag.

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But lamonas fifty one year old CEO, says the city

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ordinances violate the state law. He did not specify what

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law that is. And when I went looking through the

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general statute codes, all I could find were law is

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about HOA restricting American flags. I couldn't find anything about

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city ordinances. Now, along with Greenville, North Carolina, Camping World

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is facing another lawsuit from the city of Ceverville, Tennessee,

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located thirty miles outside of Knoxville. They argue the flag

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in its city is so big, also the same size

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as this, as all of them. Really, they say it's

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a distraction to drivers. Quote let us be clear, the

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city of Ceverville is not and never will be again patriotism.

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Excessively tall structures can create visual distractions for motorists, pose

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potential safety hazards, and impact the scenic views that are

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a vital part of what makes Severville a destination for

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residents and visitors alike. So he's got two fights now,

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He took to the Twitter machine formerly known as x.

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He says, Dear any Town, USA, I have received countless calls, emails, texts,

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and mail regarding my refusal to take down the flag.

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These flags that I put up are not just at

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Camping World. They have gone up at one small business

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in South Carolina, Schuler's Barbecue, and in the town of Grafton, Illinois.

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These flags represent something personal to me. I came to

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this country from an orphanage in Beirut Lebanon, at the

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age of nine months old. I grew up in a

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middle class home where work ethic was everything, maybe the

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only thing. Our family was in the Chevrolet business and

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had the largest flag in Miami. As a child, I

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used to tell everybody that one day I would have

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a business of my own and that my flag would

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be even bigger, like any child would. I have put

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up two hundred and twenty flags across this country, totaling

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seven hundred four thousand square feet. My secret goal has

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always been to get to one million square feet. I

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thought it was a more impressive way to be a

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quote millionaire. Over the years on my journey, I have

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experienced life to the fullest. I've made my share of mistakes,

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experienced the highs of building something with great people around me,

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the lows of helping people and then being sued, married

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for true love, lied to because of pure greed, criticized

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for being too whatever the flavor of the day is,

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and seeing things people dream of. I may not be

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the American dream, but I I want to be and

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I know I have it in me. The flag is

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my love letter to a country that gave me a

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chance when I didn't have one. It gave me a

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free market to make money. It gave me freedom to

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be me, and gave me courage to try anything. While

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I receive the criticism saying that I don't respect laws

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because I have money, because I'm too self centered, too greedy,

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attention seeking publicity hound, bad advertiser. The list goes on, Well,

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I do have pride, and I have been blessed with success.

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I do have conviction, and I have my freedom. And

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then he says the flag is not coming down, no

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matter the consequences. I am an only child. My parents

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are both past I have no children. I have my faith,

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my businesses, my wife, and my principles. Unfortunately, I will

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see you too in court. And then he tags the

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city of Greenville. Well, in the city of Severville, Tennessee.

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This is not the first time this kind of thing

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has happened. Do you remember. I believe it was like

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twenty nineteen Gander RV. It was local and they had

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a huge flag right they were being told to take

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it down. Got in a big fight. See, here's the thing.

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The city may have some ordinance that says you can't

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fly an American flag that's this bigger, bigger whatever, or

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you can't have any kind of a flagpole that's this

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toll or a structure that's this toll whatever. You could

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have that on the books. And it seems like that

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this flagpole in both of these locations may be very

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well violating the laws of these towns. But here's the thing.

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Americans don't care about your law. They care about that flag.

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Choose wisely in this fight. Greenville, North Carolina City Council

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and Ceverville, Tennessee City Council. All right, that'll do it

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for this episode. Thank you so much for listening. I

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could not do the show without your support and the

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thank you so much for listening, and don't break anything

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while I'm gone.

