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Speaker 2: Morning Show. Kurt Zendalka, it's a pleasure to have you
Speaker 2: on today. Thanks for having me broan my pleasure. And
Speaker 2: someone who can explain that the situation is going on
Speaker 2: with the French elections. I understand a judge recently ruled
Speaker 2: that the UH the National rally, and the front runner
Speaker 2: in the election, Marine Leapenn, is now ineligible run for
Speaker 2: public office for five years, which sounds rather arbitrary because
Speaker 2: apparently Marine Lapenn was found guilty of embezzlement of European
Speaker 2: Union funds. Now, let me just ask as an initial question, Kurt,
Speaker 2: if I may the European Union rules or does the
Speaker 2: country of France itself render ineligible a political candidate who's
Speaker 2: been found guilty of embezzlement or some other crime or
Speaker 2: is this sort of a made up penalty by the court.
Speaker 1: Business never happened to this scale before. Like you said,
Speaker 1: she was found guilty of embezzling funds, and even that
Speaker 1: is sort of a dubious claim to be a crime
Speaker 1: in the first place.
Speaker 3: So what she's accused.
Speaker 1: Of, and fellow numbers or a party was accused of,
Speaker 1: was using European Union funds for her party. So this
Speaker 1: is money that was supposed to go to her party
Speaker 1: anyway and using it in France for political activities there.
Speaker 1: So it was money that was supposed to go to
Speaker 1: her party, but she may have used it in the
Speaker 1: wrong location and they're calling that embezzlement. And this is
Speaker 1: clearly a very novel legal case and making it even worse,
Speaker 1: they've said that even during an appeal, which typically in
Speaker 1: France you get you return the presumption of innocence, she
Speaker 1: is not being afforded that right. So they're saying, even
Speaker 1: during an appeal, this band is going to stand in place.
Speaker 3: And so this is.
Speaker 1: Clearly being taken by people on the left and right
Speaker 1: in France across Europe as being an intentional interference by
Speaker 1: the judiciary into the political system.
Speaker 2: Well, it certainly sounds that way. I mean, the case
Speaker 2: has not been finally adjudicated, whatever the trial court says.
Speaker 2: If she's gotten a right to an appeal, this seems
Speaker 2: to go far and away beyond any penalty that she
Speaker 2: would face if she was ultimately concluded to be guilty
Speaker 2: of embezzlement in a political death sentence. I'm just I
Speaker 2: canna understand that. But again, being the front runner, I
Speaker 2: will well, does this court effectively remove her from the ballot.
Speaker 1: So it's gonna it's gonna take some time.
Speaker 3: We'll see.
Speaker 1: Uh, it's going to depend on how fast she can
Speaker 1: get the appeal through. I've heard that it's possible that
Speaker 1: the appeal could go through as early as next year,
Speaker 1: in which case she may be able to get back
Speaker 1: on the ballot, but that's depending on the French courts
Speaker 1: actually going in in an efficient manner, which is certainly
Speaker 1: not always the case over there. And it also requires
Speaker 1: her to actually win on appeal, which given the left
Speaker 1: wing leaning of the French judiciary, is certainly doubtful.
Speaker 2: Well, and you know, going back to that point, because
Speaker 2: that was the next question I was going to make. Obviously,
Speaker 2: you have left and right leaning judiciary much in the
Speaker 2: same way we struggle with the same problem. It's supposed
Speaker 2: to be equal treatment of the law, but we all
Speaker 2: know that judges have their political ideologies, and so they
Speaker 2: could the appellate appeals process, I guess, could be slowed down,
Speaker 2: perhaps intentionally, to get her out of the running completely
Speaker 2: while this this penalty of not being able to run
Speaker 2: for public office remains in place.
Speaker 3: That's exactly right.
Speaker 1: And in many ways, like we've seen in law fair
Speaker 1: cases throughout the West, including in the United States, often
Speaker 1: the process is the penalty, right. Like we saw with
Speaker 1: Donald Trump, they sidelined his campaign for months by forcing
Speaker 1: him to sit in a New York courtroom, and that
Speaker 1: effectively took them off the campaign trail so very much.
Speaker 1: So this is going to distract her from being able
Speaker 1: to campaign and she's going to have to deal with
Speaker 1: this for the next year at least.
Speaker 2: Well, I suppose there may be some legal argument over
Speaker 2: the penalty itself that you know, you know, obviously you're
Speaker 2: going to have to appeal. The entire conviction of embezzlement involves,
Speaker 2: you know, fact findings and what the trial courts said,
Speaker 2: and YadA, YadA, YadA. But I mean, we have injunctions
Speaker 2: and other legal mechanisms that could deal with sort of
Speaker 2: a subset of the broader legal issue. Is there that process?
Speaker 2: Does that process exist in France?
Speaker 1: It doesn't appear so, so she's gonna have to come
Speaker 1: through this appeal process.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So what's the reaction of the French people? Obviously
Speaker 2: I suppose this divided along political lines to some degree,
Speaker 2: But listen, uh, these things are just sometimes a question
Speaker 2: of whose ox is being gored. But a practical objective
Speaker 2: person might say, well, this is beyond the pale. I'm
Speaker 2: not a fan a fan of Marine la pen but
Speaker 2: this could happen to my guy and I don't want
Speaker 2: that to happen down the road. So what's the temperature
Speaker 2: of the French people generally in reaction to this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're exactly right, Brian so John Luke Melischan, he's
Speaker 1: the leader of the main far left party in France.
Speaker 1: You sort of like an equivalent. He's their equivalent to
Speaker 1: Bernie Sanders. He came out against the ruling, saying that
Speaker 1: the French people should be deciding who their their their
Speaker 1: their elected officials are, not not at Paris Court because
Speaker 1: obviously he I think he's concerned that the French establishment
Speaker 1: would go after his far left party as well, maybe
Speaker 1: keep them off the ballot. And other opponents of Marine Lapenn's,
Speaker 1: including the leader of the Centrists, sort of neoliberal labor republicans.
Speaker 3: Uh, he came.
Speaker 1: Out against it and saying this isn't healthy for democracy.
Speaker 3: So we're seeing we're seeing.
Speaker 1: Opponents of la Penn come out in her favor. We've
Speaker 1: seen also Italian Prime Minister Georgia Maloney, she came out
Speaker 1: against the ruling.
Speaker 3: She's been at odds with Lapenn over over.
Speaker 1: Issues in the European Union before, and she said she
Speaker 1: said that, uh that you know, it's just it's depriving
Speaker 1: millions of French citizens of their rights representation, and her
Speaker 1: deputy went even further Metseeo Salvini. He's been a long
Speaker 1: standing ally of dependence, but he described this as an
Speaker 1: act of war from Brussels, from the European Union, trying
Speaker 1: to stem this rising populist.
Speaker 3: Movement which is sweeping across Europe. And I think.
Speaker 1: There's certainly some merit in that. And we've also seen,
Speaker 1: you know, in Romania and other EU nation recently banned
Speaker 1: their front running populist candidate George Escue from running for
Speaker 1: president over there too, So it seems like the tactic
Speaker 1: of using law fair against political opponents is becoming increasingly
Speaker 1: in vogue across Europe.
Speaker 2: So there is, and you've summed it up quite nicely,
Speaker 2: anticipating what I was going to ask you next. The
Speaker 2: general political temperature in France as well as the European Union,
Speaker 2: for what I've been able to glean, is sort of
Speaker 2: like what has happened here in the United States. This
Speaker 2: sort of rising populist movement I think predicated here in
Speaker 2: the United States to a certain degree, if not a
Speaker 2: significant degree, on our broken borders and being overwhelmed by
Speaker 2: the influx of illegal immigrants and the problems that that's
Speaker 2: brought about, that's been across political lines. People generally are
Speaker 2: upset with that, and I think that's one of the
Speaker 2: reasons Donald Trump got elected in the face of this,
Speaker 2: you know, constant Trump derangement syndrome, evil Orange Man We've
Speaker 2: been dealing with a long time. So is that generally
Speaker 2: the case in the European Union.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And you have to consider the European Union has
Speaker 1: been facing a migrant crisis since about twenty fifteen, twenty sixteen. Yeah,
Speaker 1: since Angela Merkel effectively opened up the borders of the
Speaker 1: continent to Asia, to the Middle East and Africa, and
Speaker 1: places like France have been completely transformed by mass migration,
Speaker 1: and in some ways even more so than the United States,
Speaker 1: because we've been seeing frequent terror attacks, yes, in places
Speaker 1: like as in Germany, the Netherlands, et cetera, from radical Islamists.
Speaker 1: You know that those are sort of the people that
Speaker 1: are coming into the European Union. And this is radically
Speaker 1: transforming the political scene in Europe, which is one of
Speaker 1: the reasons why Marine Leapenn and her National Rally Party,
Speaker 1: which is the main anti mass migration party in France,
Speaker 1: has been surging in the polls, and like you said earlier,
Speaker 1: she is the undisputed front lunner in the race to
Speaker 1: replace Emmanuel la Crone in twenty twenty seven when his
Speaker 1: term limits are up. And so it's it's and we've
Speaker 1: just recently seen in Germany the anti mass migration alternative
Speaker 1: for Germany, the AfD to see.
Speaker 3: Their biggest election results ever.
Speaker 1: We've seen Ker Wilders in the Netherlands, the biggest populace there.
Speaker 1: He's essentially controlling the Dutch government.
Speaker 3: After years of neoliberal governance.
Speaker 1: So it's clear that mass mic is radically transforming the
Speaker 1: political nature of the EU. And rather than changing their
Speaker 1: policies or or actually addressing the concerns of the public,
Speaker 1: it appears that the powers that be are content with
Speaker 1: using lawfare mechanisms to stop their political opponents rather than
Speaker 1: you know, fixing their borders.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, and that's certainly that that movement to a you know,
Speaker 2: more protectionist about culture and heritage, uh and concerns over
Speaker 2: mass migration. That would certainly go a long way to
Speaker 2: explaining why even some of the polar opposite side of
Speaker 2: the political ledger of Marie La Penn would be defending
Speaker 2: her and rejecting this ridiculous banning of public from public
Speaker 2: office for five years, because they have voters that they
Speaker 2: need to appeal to, so they need to come across,
Speaker 2: you know, at least reasonable as to the court's treatment
Speaker 2: of her. I mean that, you know, to save their
Speaker 2: political wives or at least, you know, bolster than to
Speaker 2: some degree.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I will say that they're probably more
Speaker 1: concerned about their own skins rather than protecting the borders.
Speaker 1: Jean Luke Malshan is certainly no friend of hard line
Speaker 1: immigration policies, but he's certainly concerns that. Hey like, if
Speaker 1: he wants to push through some hardline the socialist economic
Speaker 1: policies which anger the elites and Brussels too, he might
Speaker 1: face similar similar problems in the courts.
Speaker 2: Now in terms of the immigrant population in France, I
Speaker 2: have a friend of mine, a high school friend of mine.
Speaker 2: He's been living in France now for the last thirty
Speaker 2: years or more, married to French girl. He is a
Speaker 2: French citizen and I was talking with him, and it
Speaker 2: is extraordinarily difficult to become a citizen of France. You
Speaker 2: need to be very fluent in the language and history.
Speaker 2: And I got the impressions of French people were not
Speaker 2: only very out of their heritage in their history, but
Speaker 2: very protective of, you know, keeping it. I don't want
Speaker 2: to say pure for sounding like some kind of Nazi
Speaker 2: or something, but just protective of it. Now, the immigrant population,
Speaker 2: are they considered you since you can roam freely among
Speaker 2: the European Union countries? Are they citizens of France or
Speaker 2: are they just sort of there.
Speaker 3: It's certainly a mix of both.
Speaker 1: So, as you said, the EU has the sheng Gan Zone,
Speaker 1: which means that if you're a legal residence, whether a
Speaker 1: citizen or not, of any of the twenty seven member states,
Speaker 1: you can freely move about within any other country in Europe.
Speaker 1: So there is a large population of people like that.
Speaker 1: There's certainly a lot of illegal migrants who claim asylum
Speaker 1: dubious claims, but that gives them the right to move around.
Speaker 1: And also there's a large population of people from Northern Africa,
Speaker 1: places like Algeria, where France used to have a colony,
Speaker 1: right that many people moved over to France starting in
Speaker 1: the nineteen seventies continuing on.
Speaker 3: So it's certainly a mix of both. But we're seeing
Speaker 3: like one.
Speaker 1: Of the big problems with that is that a lot
Speaker 1: of these people.
Speaker 3: Are sort of clustered in essentially.
Speaker 1: Ghettos where they're all they're all sort of together, and
Speaker 1: it's sort of wiping out the French people who were there.
Speaker 3: The French culture. It's very and.
Speaker 1: This is breeding a lot of concern among the French people.
Speaker 1: As you rightly say, the French people, either on all
Speaker 1: sides of the political spectrum, are very proud of French history,
Speaker 1: French culture, and they're very concerned about the rising Islamism
Speaker 1: in the country.
Speaker 3: I did a report last.
Speaker 1: Week for breif Bart London on on a poll which
Speaker 1: found that four and ten people in France are actively
Speaker 1: concerned that a civil war might break out in the
Speaker 1: country over the rising ethnic divisions and rising Islamism and
Speaker 1: the breakdown and trust and institutions to actually protect the
Speaker 1: French people. So mass migration is having a big, big
Speaker 1: impact in France across the rest of Europe as well.
Speaker 2: And I've also read before we part, companies need to
Speaker 2: observe and maybe you can say yes or no. It's
Speaker 2: true that there are certain areas within France with these
Speaker 2: so called ghettos or high concentrations of immigrant populations where
Speaker 2: the police don't even go like no go zones, are
Speaker 2: sort of afraid to even enter the area.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's certainly true. We've seen the similar things in
Speaker 1: Sweden elsewhere across Europe, and yeah, there are just large sections.
Speaker 1: I mean two years ago there was we it didn't
Speaker 1: get as much coverage in the United States, but there
Speaker 1: were about like, there were a couple months of riots
Speaker 1: across a lot of these areas, constant fires after a
Speaker 1: police killing of an Algerian heritage teenager it seemed that
Speaker 1: he was confronting the police, perhaps illegally, but yeah, that
Speaker 1: France burned for months because of that, and it was
Speaker 1: mostly in these locations with high density of Algerian and
Speaker 1: other ethnic minorities. So there are certainly currently a lot
Speaker 1: of problems going on in these in these areas, as you.
Speaker 2: Say, Kurtzondalka, Bright Bart London Deputy Editor. You can find
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Speaker 2: as to write about, Kurt. It's been a real pleasure
Speaker 2: having you on the fifty five KRC Morning Show. Keep
Speaker 2: up the great work and I'll look forward to having
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