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Speaker 1: Hi, This is Scott Donna Telly from Confluence, Pennsylvania, and

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I play at the store. Some of it in golf

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course is golf Starter number nine six four.

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Speaker 2: The bridge of the song it gets quiet, and it's

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just a Ben Hogan interview and.

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Speaker 3: He just talks about, what do you mean it's a

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Ben Hogan interview, that's.

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Speaker 2: Exactly the song just gets quiet, it's just guitars, like

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bass and drums kind of go away, and it's just

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Ben Hogan where he's like.

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Speaker 3: Actual Ben Hogan. Yeah, oh cool.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I think it was the early eighties. He was

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super old, and he was talking about how he feels

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sorry for the young kids because you know, they don't

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know adversity and you know, they don't know what it's

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like to have to really grind, and that he grew

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up poor and he knew that the only way he

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was going to be able to compete with anybody else

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was if they were work two hours a day, he'd

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have to work eight. And then what he says is

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every day that I progressed was a joy to me.

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And I recognize it every day. And I thought that

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fit in so nicely, looked so and it's really good

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gives me goosebum just got.

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Speaker 3: Together.

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Speaker 1: My family wouldn't richly recoord.

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Speaker 3: And I had a tough dail mild line and I

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can handle tough, and I talked well the only way

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Speaker 1: I'm just just I work. These comers so uh, they

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might work.

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Speaker 2: Two hours a day, and I worked, and every day

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that I progress was a joy to me.

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Speaker 1: And I think.

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Speaker 3: Songs in the key of golf the punk rock band

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made conquers our favorite pastime.

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Speaker 1: This is Golf Smarter, sharing stories, tips and insights from

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great golf minds to help you lower your score and

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raise your golf IQ.

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Speaker 3: There's your host, Fred Green. Welcome to the Golf Smarter podcast.

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Speaker 2: Justin Helloy, Fred, thanks for having us.

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Speaker 3: Appreciate it absolutely, and he said us, Hey Bricks, how

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you doing.

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Speaker 1: Hey good Fred, thanks for having us.

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Speaker 3: So this is gonna be fascinating for me because I

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get this email from you and it's like, hey, we're

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a punk band that loves golf. It's like, what does

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that mean? Right?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Not two things that necessarily go together. Like I live

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next to a golf course and I hear people who

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have speakers on all the time. I don't know if

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I ever hear punk music coming up of a golf

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course or anybody I play with. What made you guys

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decide let's do punk music with all lyrics?

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we Bricks and I were in a band that was,

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you know, in that scene back in I think I

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joined the band in two thousand and seven, and it

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was just always the music we grew up loving, and

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it was something where, you know, as we got older,

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like the band kind of fizzled out. We did our

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thing and had fun. And it actually coincided with me

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playing golf, Like I didn't start golf to my mid twenties,

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and it was just an app just got totally addicted,

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but it was between one hundred and twenty to one

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hundred and fifty rounds my first two seasons of playing.

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you know, he lives super far away and then we'd

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stay in touch, but it was like that was still

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the music we grew up loving. And yeah, we started

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going on a yearly golf trip and we just it

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was like mentioned it as a joke like, how funny

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would it be to write songs about this? Because it's

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now here we are on the Golf Smarter podcast. We

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Speaker 3: We made it. What is this is from Steve Martin's

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The Jerk. I am somebody, I'm in the phone book,

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I'm in somebody. All right, Bricks, what is your story?

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I mean, do you concur with what Justin just said?

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a joke that continue to gain steam until now we

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and we've got a full bona fide album that sounds fantastic.

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joking around on the golf course because we would so

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we would do a trip. It started just out of

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the pandemic. I think twenty twenty one, I got a

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text from Justin saying, Hey, I've got this craz is

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the idea and I don't know if you're going to

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and of course we're all locked down in our houses

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at the time, and I'm like, I don't really talk

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to Justin in six months. I wonder what this could be.

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six months. Help me, Yeah exactly. So yeah, it's like

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we're planning a golf trip Anina fourth and are you

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or how much it costs us? Absolutely, I'm down, sign

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me out. Uh, And so we would go. And it

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started in twenty twenty one, and we're golfing thirty six

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holes a day for four or five days. Every day

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we're offing thirty young man. I think we hit our

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limit this year though. We did thirty six holes for

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five days straight. And but wow, just just shells of

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you get back to the get back to the house,

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Speaker 3: Oh, we got a team time in three hours?

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Speaker 1: The last last trip, we were in Tucson, and I

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time to get into the car to go. And we

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find out from John who were with is like Justin

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was on top of the picnic table screaming the decline

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by no effects for eighteen.

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Speaker 4: Minuts straight, three in the morning, which is where this.

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Speaker 2: Whole band came from. So that's it's we're kind of just.

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Speaker 1: I didn't start until later in life, like like Justin,

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killing me so much, so much waste.

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all right, you haven't you haven't even reached later in

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's true. Yeah, I had a buddy who just

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you would do it, and I always considered it, you know,

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coming from the punk rock background and anti establishment and

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you know all that. It's kind of mentality was it

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didn't really seem like the thing for me, right, country club,

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rich white dudes like not my scene. But he's a

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good friend, so I'm like, you know what, sure, let's go.

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hit a pure iron and it just became my life,

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Speaker 3: Takes once where it feels right, and it's like man.

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Speaker 1: And I've been chasing it ever since then. Yeah. So

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first year, probably fifteen twenty rounds, but now I'm averaging

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Speaker 3: Yeah, It's that's how it works. But so, Bricks, You're

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able to play in April, like early April, which was nice. Yeah,

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it's a golf course on a on a mountain. It's

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on a ski l so it drains really well. So

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some of the greens. I can't believe they even let

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us play, but yeah, we were playing. There was snow

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Speaker 3: Hard stock Man, You're great.

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Speaker 1: We we just we cope. We do what we have

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to do. Oh yeah, I've got I've got the warm

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weather gloves. I've got a little mittens that I put

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Speaker 4: Should get chance for there's a song title right there, yeah,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so we'll play. This was the earliest I've ever

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little bit milder, and they were golfing in December a

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couple of years ago, which is insane to me. So

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Speaker 3: You exposed your Canadian without oot and justin you're in

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it gets a little chilly in the winter. But I

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three and a half years, but I came from Detroit.

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let's get out of here. Let's go somewhere where we

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that original band we were in. I kind of always

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Speaker 1: What's that because it almost didn't because I almost turned

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Speaker 3: That was true.

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Speaker 2: Well yeah, well that was more behavior related rather than

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Speaker 1: And so no, no, no, that was in the email.

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here's a track with no vocals to everybody, right, So

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our new singer, and we would get tons of emails

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so much. It was just on autopilot to just reject, reject, reject, reject.

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up for a tryout. And then I got to the email.

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Didn't think that it was wrong.

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Speaker 2: I totally forgot about this.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I was like, you're sorry, you're not for us, t

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get Yeah, so we almost, Yeah, I almost turned you down,

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but you know now you're my number one pick.

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Speaker 2: Good Who would have known that twenty years later we'd

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be right here.

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Speaker 3: Well, it feels like we're having a therapy session here,

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So let's continue to see how you guys work this out.

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So and you both came from a punk background. Is

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that what your yeah got into? What was this on

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the let's say the late seventies or the eighties. What

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were your bands that were influencing you?

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before my time, but we were more like late nineties

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early two thousands was kind of the time period. So

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the skate punk era with Live Wagon and No Effects

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and Penny Wise and all those types of bands. You know,

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on book towards typically a lot of you know, Barria,

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Green Day and won Ransoms from the Bay Area I

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think as well. So Green Day was, you know, my

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first album when I was a kid, and that just

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kind of flipped a switch at me. I got four

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albums from a Columbia house records, you know, you mail

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in the stamps with the records. All I got Green Day,

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Ace of Basse Bull and like something else. So I

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had a big, you know, a lot to choose from,

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and Green Day was that was the guiding light that

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Speaker 3: That was the first album you purchased.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, one in that pack of four, and that was

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the one that I chose to be my north star

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for my music career for the rest of time.

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Speaker 3: First album I purchased with my own money, Sergeant Pepper's

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when it first came out, nice, not a bad one

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while ago, yeah, right right there. And there was a

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skip in it. I mean these were records, right, and

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there was a skip in it. And I returned it

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and it had skipped again. I don't know why. But

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now every time I listen to that one of those songs.

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I heard that skip every single time. And for people

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who don't know what records are or a skip isn't

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a record, I can't explain it to you. Justin tell

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me about your influences on music.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess it was a similar story to me,

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Like I got really into. The ones that got me

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were a lot of the ones Brick's mentioned, but like

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lag Wagon was probably was and is my favorite, strung out,

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just a lot of the fast skate punk bands that

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almost got it was almost like cause you mentioned I know,

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I know your history and what you did, which is

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wow that we were talking about like with the radio

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station and all of that. But it was almost like, yeah,

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we'll talk about that. Yeah, But it almost like the

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influences we had like all funneled from that, you know.

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So it was like we didn't necessarily get into like

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and I still did because you almost like you view

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it as like, oh, that's part of your history lesson

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and where this music came from. So I listened to

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all of them, but I would really drawn to the

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fast skate punk that kind of took influences from like

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the older stuff in metal as well, and that's kind

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of just what I got into and what kind of

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I almost feel like the music you discover when you're

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an adolescent, like thirteen fourteen, that just it just kind

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of grabs onto you, you know, and it's like I'm

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forty now and it's like that's still there. It's like

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it's it's almost just like you don't you never shake it.

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Speaker 3: So no, actually, I think I've read some research recently

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that says that the music that you listen to between

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the ages of eighteen and twenty one is what you

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consider the best music ever made for your entire life. Yeah, yeah,

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that makes sense. Yeah. So in the late seventies, I

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had just graduated college and got a job, got an

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internship that turned into a job at a radio station

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in San Francisco, and it was the first free form

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FM rock station in the country. It was KSA in

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San Francisco and which we referred to as Casan And

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in seventy eight we started playing punk music before anybody else.

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I mean, we kind of there's a documentary being made

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right now about the radio station. Elvis Costello is in it,

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and you know, talking about how I knew nothing about

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saying the radio in America, and I came here in

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case and was there with open arms and let me

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run through the record library and stuff. So we were

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playing Elvis Costello, the Ramones, the Cars, the Clash. I mean,

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these were all new bands at the time, Blondie and

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I can go on, but that was that was the

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beginning of the scenes. So the fact that you guys talked,

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you know, sent me this stuff and introduced him like,

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oh my gosh, I haven't started thinking about punk music

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in a long time, and I did know that it's

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still had life.

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Speaker 2: Well I don't know. I mean, I think it does.

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But that's what like the ven diagram of golfers and

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people who listen to punk rock is probably a tiny

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little space in the middle. There's there's there's dozens, and

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that's what we're open to get.

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Speaker 3: Or anyone who likes guys I play with, they're playing

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Grateful Dead that all the times. Yeah, could you please

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play something? It's like for me, it's motown. So it's

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the same, I go, yeah, exactly exactly. I mean the

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music influences in Detroit incredible, which is.

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Speaker 1: Those artists, and those artists are the Ramones that Clash.

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Those are like Justin was saying that was the history lesson.

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So I was the same as Justin. I started with

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the Live Wagons and those bands, and then I was like, okay,

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I need to I need to understand the heritage of

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so I really latched out of the class and the Remones.

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Those are two that they had a melody, they were fast,

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they were they had an edge to them, but the

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recordings sounded. I still think they stand up to this day,

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you know, understanding.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, sex pistols still forget sex pistles.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, what you got quite the blue rock history. Like

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I was reading up, you worked with Ben song Torres.

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That's pretty cool. Do your listeners know how cool you are?

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Speaker 2: Not just some hack golfer even uh so?

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Speaker 3: Actually Ben funk Torres still friends with him. So I

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had a He had a Sunday show on our radio

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station every Sunday. You know, they let him just do

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what he wanted to do on Casan and he was

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on from ten p ten am to two pm on

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Sunday mornings. I was on before him. I was on

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six am to ten am on Sundays and six am

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to ten am on Saturdays and then Monday through Friday

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from six to ten, I was producing the morning show

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and so they had given me an air shift. And

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the day of my college graduation, I was on the

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air on this radio, so like, where's Fred. He's all

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in the air. So that was pretty big deal for

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h and because what I was nine years old, I

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was like, I want to be a disc jockey. Hey,

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you know, And so I did that until I was

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a dis jockey there and when I left that radio station.

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But as the old saying goes in radio, if you've

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not been fired from radio, you've never worked in radio.

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So when I got fired from KSAN because they were

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making changes, I went to another radio station. I was

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doing jazz radio, and then they started giving me lists

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of songs to play in order and said say this

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in between each one. And I'm like, this is not

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what I signed up for to be a disc jockey.

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But I loved doing production, so I just kind of

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stayed with the production and I did that for the

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rest of my radio career, and then you know, did

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a national syndication And when I started doing this podcast

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in two thousand and five, it was the first time

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since nineteen eighty that I had got and in front

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of a microphone.

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Speaker 2: Wow.

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Speaker 3: I was always behind, you know, the board, doing the

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engineering and production. But I had never I had not

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and when I was just jocking, didn't do interviews either,

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So this was all new to me when I started

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doing this podcasts, working on it, still trying to get

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it done. Yeah, let's take another quick break. I want

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to get back into your music and go over the

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lyrics and more than just the lyrics, the motivation behind it,

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and see what you want to do. And we'll do

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that when we come back after that, because it's all

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so who's the songwriter and who's you're both musicians justin

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you do the singing. Yeah, what are the roles? I

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mean you're the entire band.

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Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, just the two of us, two of you now. Yeah,

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if we ever actually well like if we ever tour,

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we would have to Well that's the funny you say that,

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because we made we made actually a pretty hard rule

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in recording that, because we have a lot of friends

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who can play, Like I didn't play bass for twenty

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years and then we were we were talking about who

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we're going to get to play bass on the record,

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and we have like like our buddy cam is like

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a studio like he is. So he's probably the best

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bass player I've ever known personally. But we were like,

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we made a rule that in order to be on

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the record, you have to keep and maintain a twenty

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handicap or lower. So that just ruled out a lot

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of people for being on it. So I was like,

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I guess I got to figure out how to play

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bass again.

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Speaker 1: We have a whole other songwriting input, no other It

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had to be us because nobody else we knew how

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to handicap that was lower than twenty and could play

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an instrument.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and went into punk views. Yeah that was yeah,

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so we uh crazy, I love that.

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Speaker 2: But as far as songwriting goes, we kind of just

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like a lot of voice notes get split around, like

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I'll I'll think of an idea for a song and

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just kind of record a voice note, send it over

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to Bricks And he definitely does more of the arranging,

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and then I feel bad sometimes because it'll spend all

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this work arranging the song. I'm like, yeah, I don't know, man,

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let's try it this way. But that's I would say,

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more of the structure of the song and the arrangements

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are definitely for for bricks and then a lot of

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just it's it's kind of just like a team effort really,

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because we'll just like, we'll get the basic structure of

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the song and we'll both just pick it apart too.

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Speaker 1: So it's, yeah, it's a lot of iteration, I think,

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so Justin will absolutely do that. We actually just made

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a post on Instagram today that goes through our entire

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songwriting structure and it's it's a screenshot of the actual

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voice and emo Justin sang it was. I think the

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first song that we did together is Golf Gotts is

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the first song on the album. And he's just sitting

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there singing into his phone and he'll send me a

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text saying, I've got the voice of an angel. This

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is the greatest chord. Turn this into a hit, and yeah,

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so I'll take it away. I'll throw it into my

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into my daw and I'll start running a progression round it,

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so putting some drums and just get the feel together

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and I'll usually do a course reverse send it back

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to Justin. He'll hate it, tell me why he hates it,

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and I'll try something else, and then we'll just go

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back and forth. Once we have it kind of together.

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We kind of treat it like homework, not homework. But

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he'll take it away, stew on it for a while,

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write some vocalalities, tracks some things, upload it back, and

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I'll take it away, do my part, change a few things,

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send it back and then it's almost like it's the

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postal service in that way. It's not We're not sitting

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in a room like we used to and you know

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back in the day in the two thousands where we

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all had acoustic guitars when we were working at ideas.

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It's a lot I feel like it's a lot more

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efficient this way because you don't have to remember all

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the churt changes and all the different things that you've done,

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but be there's less. Uh, I don't really like that.

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Can you try that again? It's you're able to just

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sit by yourself and work out a problem from start

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to finish and then you know, bounce it off the

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next person. Is a fully formed idea, rather than having

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to burst something in the presence of somebody else, which

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can always be you know, difficult to do right the

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00:24:37,279 --> 00:24:37,759
first time.

478
00:24:38,279 --> 00:24:41,119
Speaker 3: Yeah. No, when I'm doing these interviews, lots of times

479
00:24:41,599 --> 00:24:44,200
when I guess we'll say something that's kind of like

480
00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:47,640
an inside baseball reference and I have no idea what

481
00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:51,039
it is or it's you know, random, so I asked

482
00:24:51,039 --> 00:24:53,920
them what does that mean? But I do know that,

483
00:24:54,079 --> 00:24:56,000
daw because there's people going.

484
00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:58,839
Speaker 2: I was gonna hop it there, like people don't know

485
00:24:58,880 --> 00:24:59,200
what to.

486
00:25:00,319 --> 00:25:06,880
Speaker 3: Digital audio workstage. Yes, I produce on pro Tools, so

487
00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:10,119
probably one of the few people that does podcasts on

488
00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:17,240
pro tools anyway. All right, so justin your thoughts on

489
00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:21,480
on the the creative process, it's for your songs.

490
00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:25,759
Speaker 2: It's it's fun. It's almost like like because you get

491
00:25:25,759 --> 00:25:29,200
out of not to say it, like you almost accept like, oh,

492
00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:31,720
I'm a grown up now, my band days are over,

493
00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:34,160
and that's almost like the vibe you had, but you

494
00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:36,200
always just want to scratch that itch. So we started

495
00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:39,000
doing this again and it was like, you know, he's

496
00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:41,359
obviously we both still have day jobs, but it would just.

497
00:25:41,319 --> 00:25:43,720
Speaker 3: Be like that was one of my next questions. You

498
00:25:43,799 --> 00:25:49,119
both golf and you're not making yet.

499
00:25:49,559 --> 00:25:52,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, well yeah, we'll see. But it was basically, you know,

500
00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:54,920
you're just you're looking at the clock and then it's

501
00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:59,960
it's almost like it just became my the funnest hot

502
00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:02,240
I do outside of golf, because it was just like

503
00:26:02,279 --> 00:26:04,160
you have ideas, Like I have a note in my

504
00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:06,640
phone where we're on the course and someone says something stupid,

505
00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:08,599
I'm like, that's a song idea. You just type it

506
00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:12,599
in and you're just constantly writing lyrics constantly, just so

507
00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:16,319
it just becomes a big focus and it's just fun.

508
00:26:16,599 --> 00:26:19,039
So it's but it's also like Bricks was saying, like

509
00:26:19,039 --> 00:26:21,759
when you're on your own, you really do kind of

510
00:26:21,799 --> 00:26:25,480
hash it out and you just like like with vocal takes,

511
00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:28,440
it's like, I'm going to do this fifty times before

512
00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:30,119
I think it sounds perfect because I know if I

513
00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:31,960
send it back to Bricks and there's a part that's

514
00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:33,799
flatter sharp, he's going to be like, dude, you're not.

515
00:26:33,799 --> 00:26:35,319
Speaker 1: That good, So you got to get it together.

516
00:26:37,559 --> 00:26:37,920
Speaker 2: Yeah.

517
00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:41,799
Speaker 1: But the song content itself is so fun to really

518
00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:44,440
create and build off of because everybody's got a street.

519
00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:47,920
Golf is such a fertile topic because there's always a

520
00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:50,039
funny story in it somewhere, right, you can't get out

521
00:26:50,079 --> 00:26:52,000
of a sandtrap, or your wife doesn't want to let

522
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:54,359
you golf or whatever, and then we have a lot

523
00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:56,599
of fun going back and forth with the lyrics adjust,

524
00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:58,559
We'll write a subtle lyrics and I'll say, oh, wouldn't

525
00:26:58,559 --> 00:27:01,400
it be funnier if it was like this are And

526
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:03,160
then we could really, you know, dig into it and

527
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:08,319
take personal experiences too. Like Liar, for instance, is the

528
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:11,079
song on their album about somebody who cheats a golf

529
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:17,759
as the name that Yeah, exactly, so we've all played

530
00:27:17,759 --> 00:27:20,160
with somebody like that before, right, and we we just

531
00:27:20,319 --> 00:27:25,799
you know, you well, this is the problem now that

532
00:27:25,799 --> 00:27:27,599
we wrote that song. Now, every time I go out

533
00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:29,960
golfing with somebody and who knows the band, they're like

534
00:27:30,039 --> 00:27:32,119
playing by the rules to the team. They think I

535
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:34,720
am the police of golf. So I've got to live

536
00:27:34,799 --> 00:27:36,559
up to this high standard. Not that I ever did,

537
00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:41,759
but it's like it's tense now and the golf course

538
00:27:41,759 --> 00:27:46,559
people know about this song, but yeah, you know it's uh.

539
00:27:47,039 --> 00:27:50,039
There's a lot of great opportunity to have some some

540
00:27:50,079 --> 00:27:52,559
good jokes and really work together to make it as

541
00:27:52,559 --> 00:27:56,799
funny as possible. In UH. In addiction, there's a line

542
00:27:56,839 --> 00:28:00,640
of balls and towels and balls and town some training

543
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:02,839
aids and I think it was something else, but Justin's

544
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:04,799
like I changed this word to training aids because it

545
00:28:04,839 --> 00:28:05,839
sounds more possessive.

546
00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:10,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I that was almost like a lot of

547
00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:12,759
it too, is just like the silliness of it because

548
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:15,240
like when you listen to it, like it's it sounds

549
00:28:15,319 --> 00:28:17,880
like a passionate song with like the sing and everything,

550
00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:20,559
but it's like it is really silly when you when

551
00:28:20,559 --> 00:28:22,319
you look at the lyrics, because that was kind of

552
00:28:22,319 --> 00:28:24,920
the goal. So I'm wondering if some people here and.

553
00:28:24,799 --> 00:28:26,799
Speaker 3: Be like, are these are these guys serious?

554
00:28:27,039 --> 00:28:30,480
Speaker 2: Like that's that's kind of the vibe. I you'll, you'll, yeah,

555
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:32,480
but when you see it, You're like, they can't be serious.

556
00:28:32,559 --> 00:28:35,440
This is the silliest song I've ever heard. So that's

557
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:35,920
a lot of it.

558
00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:40,440
Speaker 3: And I'm gonna want to pick pick apart some of

559
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:44,279
the lyrics. I want to get into it. But you know,

560
00:28:44,559 --> 00:28:51,079
I've always had a difficult time listening comprehending lyrics on

561
00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:55,759
both hip hop rap or and my kids hate me

562
00:28:55,799 --> 00:29:00,279
for that, but in punk, so needing to see the

563
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:03,720
lyrics makes all the difference. Well, listen, I watched TV

564
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:06,240
with close caption on so I can understand what the

565
00:29:06,279 --> 00:29:09,240
hell they're saying too, And boy, what a difference it

566
00:29:09,279 --> 00:29:11,799
makes when the content you're like, oh, that's what they're

567
00:29:11,839 --> 00:29:15,640
talking about. Okay, So you know, for your lyrics, I'm like,

568
00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:19,240
you know, because I love the song addiction, but I

569
00:29:19,279 --> 00:29:22,079
wasn't sure what you were talking about. And so it's

570
00:29:22,119 --> 00:29:24,279
like you sent me a link to another version of

571
00:29:24,319 --> 00:29:26,559
it that was just the lyrics. So I want to

572
00:29:26,599 --> 00:29:31,319
see the lyrics and the video together on one one

573
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:38,680
of those videos combining to please, I'm asking, so let's

574
00:29:38,839 --> 00:29:43,559
talk about you know, let's how about we do this.

575
00:29:46,359 --> 00:29:49,559
Let's start with addiction and can you just tell us

576
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:52,799
the words? Can you just read or you know, talk

577
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:55,119
the words through so we get this story.

578
00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:58,119
Speaker 2: I could probably do it.

579
00:29:58,119 --> 00:30:01,640
Speaker 3: It's like trying to Yeah, it's so well, like doing

580
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:06,559
the national anthem speaking. I'm on those you see oh

581
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:07,400
sorry breaks.

582
00:30:11,559 --> 00:30:13,759
Speaker 2: I'm on the course six days a week, but I

583
00:30:13,799 --> 00:30:16,279
can't feed my family. They keep begging me to quit.

584
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:20,759
Maybe after Scottsdale Boy's Strip. My wife wants couples therapy,

585
00:30:21,319 --> 00:30:25,839
the handy therapy certain second. The handicap is down to three.

586
00:30:26,079 --> 00:30:29,119
The kids are wearing tattered clothes while I drain altars

587
00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:32,200
with my gros. The games so strong, how can anyone

588
00:30:32,279 --> 00:30:35,200
say I'm wrong? Someone help me and of the choruses,

589
00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:38,640
I'm so poor now and my bank account's empty. I

590
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:40,000
thought that this was all good fun.

591
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:42,200
Speaker 1: But you can't pay rent with prob ones.

592
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:46,160
Speaker 2: No, I'm so poor now. And that's basically that's the

593
00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:47,599
first person of the course. I don't know if you

594
00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:52,880
need the whole day that gives. Can't pay rent with

595
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:54,680
prob ones for that course. And I was like, dude,

596
00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:57,079
that's really good. I got a big kick up that.

597
00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:03,960
Speaker 3: Came down.

598
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:07,559
Speaker 2: What they say that shine?

599
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:19,079
Speaker 3: Well, that was very impressive that you were able to

600
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:24,519
speak the lyrics of at least the first verse and

601
00:31:24,599 --> 00:31:30,359
the chorus of addiction if you want to sing the

602
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:33,799
next like another one, and so we can understand the words,

603
00:31:34,079 --> 00:31:36,599
and then we'll go back and we'll by the way,

604
00:31:37,039 --> 00:31:40,400
I love the name of the album, Songs in the

605
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:45,480
Songs in the Key of Golf. That's your detroit under

606
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:49,759
absolutely Songs in the Key of Golf. What a great name,

607
00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:54,640
great name for it. So let's see the golf gods.

608
00:31:55,039 --> 00:31:59,920
What's it all about? Liar uh and addiction? How many

609
00:32:00,079 --> 00:32:01,079
those songs are there?

610
00:32:03,519 --> 00:32:07,079
Speaker 1: Greening regulation, green regulation? Yeah?

611
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:09,880
Speaker 3: Is that green? Three's or scur is.

612
00:32:09,799 --> 00:32:12,880
Speaker 2: How it's written? Just g I R. Ticking kay of

613
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:18,920
the stats. Swing thoughts is another one. Uh, there's one

614
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:22,480
called playthrough, but that's twenty six seconds long, which is

615
00:32:22,519 --> 00:32:25,880
a which is a funny one because that's about if

616
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:28,240
anyone's ever been there, it's when you're you're just you're

617
00:32:28,319 --> 00:32:30,079
rolling up to the tea box with your buddy and

618
00:32:30,119 --> 00:32:32,039
there's four guys in front of you, and you're like, hey, guys,

619
00:32:32,079 --> 00:32:34,640
do you mind if we play through real quick? You're like,

620
00:32:34,799 --> 00:32:37,400
don't worry, we play fast, will be quick, and then

621
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:39,960
you hit your t shot and you just pull it

622
00:32:40,079 --> 00:32:43,480
right to the left. Why everyone just thinks less of you.

623
00:32:43,559 --> 00:32:47,960
So that's a quick twenty six second one. It's also

624
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:49,880
the fastest song in the record. It's a.

625
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:54,119
Speaker 1: I think it's twenty two seconds long, and half of

626
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:54,880
it's a drum.

627
00:32:54,640 --> 00:33:00,519
Speaker 3: Shold yeah exactly. Oh man, okay, we would bricks. What's

628
00:33:00,559 --> 00:33:01,359
your favorite song?

629
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:04,759
Speaker 1: I really like what it's all about because I really

630
00:33:04,839 --> 00:33:09,559
feel like it's from a songwriting perspective and an accessibility perspective.

631
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:12,000
I really feel like it could scratch a lot of

632
00:33:12,079 --> 00:33:15,759
you know, get get into a lot of people's listening rotation.

633
00:33:17,039 --> 00:33:19,519
It's and it's also one of the only uplifting songs

634
00:33:19,519 --> 00:33:24,480
on the album, because golf is all about you know,

635
00:33:24,559 --> 00:33:26,799
why can't I hit agree in regulation? I'm terrible? Or

636
00:33:26,799 --> 00:33:29,920
I'm having all these awful swing thoughts. Or this guy's

637
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:31,359
a cheater and I hate him. I'm going to kill

638
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:33,319
him in the clubhouse, or you know that's like our

639
00:33:33,319 --> 00:33:35,559
whole album, or you know you you pull a t

640
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:38,119
shot when you play through. But what it's all about

641
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:43,359
is it's aspirational. It's kind of from the perspective of

642
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:47,319
somebody who's put in the work, who's been out grinding

643
00:33:47,319 --> 00:33:50,839
on the range, who's taken lessons, who really took responsibility

644
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:54,599
for their golf game and making it better. And it's

645
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:58,640
about them eventually realizing that, you know that what that

646
00:33:58,759 --> 00:34:02,079
glorious feeling might must be of, you know, being able

647
00:34:02,119 --> 00:34:04,599
to hit a high cut at will, or you know,

648
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:08,719
bombing and drive without even thinking of it. Right, it's uh,

649
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:12,199
it's from the perspective of somebody who has gotten there.

650
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:18,199
I am not there. It's you know, it's what I imagine

651
00:34:18,079 --> 00:34:20,320
and it would would feel like. And I just think

652
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:21,239
it's a really nice song.

653
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:24,880
Speaker 3: Can you do the words for us? Justin do you

654
00:34:25,119 --> 00:34:29,239
are from what it's all about.

655
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:31,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, you should probably talking about it's been a well second,

656
00:34:31,679 --> 00:34:34,440
it would be that would be a little interesting.

657
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:38,199
Speaker 1: It's so cheesy though it kind of works best with

658
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:41,320
the with the with the music. But give it, give

659
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:41,760
it a try.

660
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:45,000
Speaker 2: Well, it's while it also has he didn't mention that,

661
00:34:45,079 --> 00:34:47,400
but Bricks structured this song in a way where like

662
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:49,840
it all breaks down, like the bridge of the song,

663
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:52,599
it gets quiet, and it's just a Ben Hogan interview

664
00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:56,000
and he just talks about, what.

665
00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:57,360
Speaker 3: Do you mean it's a Ben Hogan interview.

666
00:34:57,400 --> 00:35:00,159
Speaker 2: That's exactly, it's a it's a Ben Hogan. The song

667
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:02,400
just it just kind of comes to like it gets

668
00:35:02,519 --> 00:35:05,440
quiet and it's just guitars, like bass and drums kind

669
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:07,880
of go away and it's just Ben Hogan where he's like,

670
00:35:08,679 --> 00:35:09,280
I like.

671
00:35:09,519 --> 00:35:10,639
Speaker 3: Actual Ben Hogan.

672
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:14,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, he did back I think it was the early eighties.

673
00:35:16,079 --> 00:35:18,559
He was super old, and he was talking about how

674
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:21,679
he feels sorry for the young kids because you know,

675
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:24,320
they don't know adversity and you know, they don't know

676
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:27,079
what it's like to have to you know, really grind,

677
00:35:27,199 --> 00:35:30,480
and that he grew up poor and that you know,

678
00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:33,159
he knew that the only way he was going to

679
00:35:33,199 --> 00:35:35,559
be able to compete with anybody else was if they

680
00:35:35,599 --> 00:35:37,599
were work two hours a day, he'd have to work

681
00:35:37,639 --> 00:35:40,599
eight and every day. And what he says is, you

682
00:35:40,639 --> 00:35:42,519
know every day that I progress was a joy to

683
00:35:42,559 --> 00:35:45,679
me and I recognize it every day. And I thought

684
00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:49,159
that fit in so nicely with the song and it

685
00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:51,280
Yeah it is really it is really good. Gives me goosebump.

686
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:51,960
I just got.

687
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:57,079
Speaker 3: It's good. Yeah, it's awesome. I love it.

688
00:35:57,079 --> 00:35:59,719
Speaker 1: It goes into a ripping guitar solo, which is fast.

689
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:06,039
Speaker 3: So what tell me what instruments you both play on

690
00:36:06,159 --> 00:36:10,079
these wreck on the record? I do you each do

691
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:11,360
multiple instruments? Yeah?

692
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:14,639
Speaker 2: Well I do all the vocals and bass, and then

693
00:36:15,159 --> 00:36:16,360
Rick's drums.

694
00:36:16,039 --> 00:36:20,519
Speaker 1: And guitar, drumming, guitar and any keyboards that are in there,

695
00:36:20,679 --> 00:36:25,119
little pads or synthesizer stuff all put in. It's there's

696
00:36:25,119 --> 00:36:27,880
not a there's not a lot in there. You'll there

697
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:29,920
are little pads here and there, but we try and

698
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:32,159
keep it pretty punk rock. You know, four chords, a

699
00:36:32,199 --> 00:36:36,119
couple of guitars at a bass and drums are our

700
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:40,039
mix and mastering engineer Dan Aggie Christ, who is a magician.

701
00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:43,679
Each of our recordings from the basement at our Project

702
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:46,239
studios and elevated them to what it sounds like today,

703
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:47,840
which is could be on the radio.

704
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:51,239
Speaker 3: It's so good if there's a radio station playing punk.

705
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:52,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's about.

706
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:55,199
Speaker 3: Yeah.

707
00:36:55,599 --> 00:36:57,199
Speaker 1: But he did a lot of magic in there to

708
00:36:57,239 --> 00:36:59,719
elevate with some pads and he he just went the

709
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:02,480
extra if you listen closely, and I forget what the

710
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:06,280
song is, but there's little there's bells in behind a verse,

711
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:08,960
there's all these tiny little things. And if you listen closely,

712
00:37:09,119 --> 00:37:11,320
every time you listen to you or something new, it's

713
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:14,519
a really well produced album. Credit a lot to Dean

714
00:37:14,599 --> 00:37:15,840
for putting in the work up.

715
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:19,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's awesome. That's awesome. I'm gonna throw something out

716
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:23,599
that's kind of strange. But when I listened to a

717
00:37:23,599 --> 00:37:27,199
couple of the songs, I had this thought and I'll

718
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:30,880
share that in a second. But I forwarded the songs

719
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:32,639
to some of my friends. I said, you got to

720
00:37:32,679 --> 00:37:37,199
check my golf buddies who also you know, they love music.

721
00:37:37,519 --> 00:37:41,840
And one of my friends responded with something that had

722
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:44,159
crossed my mind, and I'm going to present it and

723
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:49,079
see what you guys think. He His response was, this

724
00:37:49,159 --> 00:37:53,079
sounds like it could be rent and I'm like, yeah,

725
00:37:53,199 --> 00:37:55,719
I was thinking that this could be an off Broadway

726
00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:57,000
show that.

727
00:37:56,920 --> 00:37:58,119
Speaker 1: Would be incredible.

728
00:37:58,599 --> 00:38:01,880
Speaker 3: This is I mean what, You've got enough songs and

729
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:04,599
there's stories in there that you can tie this together

730
00:38:04,679 --> 00:38:07,519
to make it a stage show. Has that ever crossed

731
00:38:07,559 --> 00:38:08,000
your mind?

732
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:13,760
Speaker 2: Never? Once? What sign sign me up?

733
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:17,199
Speaker 1: I know well now that the amster wheels turning because

734
00:38:17,199 --> 00:38:19,079
I was thinking for ourn extra release. It wouldn't it

735
00:38:19,119 --> 00:38:20,880
be cool if you did a concept album there was

736
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:23,840
a story of a full round, you know, eighteen songs

737
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:26,440
start to finish, and I would fit in quite nicely.

738
00:38:26,199 --> 00:38:33,320
Speaker 3: With eighteen songs. Is you want to do?

739
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:34,880
Speaker 2: This is what brainstorming?

740
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:35,079
Speaker 1: Here?

741
00:38:35,079 --> 00:38:37,719
Speaker 2: You're gonna you know, it might not be that good.

742
00:38:39,039 --> 00:38:40,679
Speaker 3: Or the show is called the front nine and you.

743
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:43,880
Speaker 1: Just do nine knowles right, and I'll have to pick

744
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:45,039
us up for a second season.

745
00:38:45,119 --> 00:38:50,360
Speaker 3: Right you go to be continued, right? Or or or

746
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:51,960
you do the back nine? You just call the show

747
00:38:52,039 --> 00:38:55,719
at the turn and there we got right? But it,

748
00:38:56,039 --> 00:38:58,679
oh man bricks your face right now? You're like, I

749
00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:01,559
can see the wheel spin. But this is to me

750
00:39:02,039 --> 00:39:07,199
because the story, because the thing is how do you

751
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:12,440
get the golf community, which is not necessarily the punk community,

752
00:39:13,199 --> 00:39:17,639
and then the punk community, which is pretty sure it's

753
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:22,079
not you know, the golf community. You know, as you

754
00:39:22,159 --> 00:39:24,480
talked about the country club thing, and I'm not in

755
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:28,760
the country club thing. But there is something there that

756
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:34,079
could definitely be a stage show. And then you you know,

757
00:39:34,159 --> 00:39:36,400
you do, you know you're going to have to not

758
00:39:36,599 --> 00:39:39,159
just do straight punk. You know, there's got to be

759
00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:41,960
a maybe there's a ballad there or something, you know,

760
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:45,119
a softer one and a motowny one, and there's going

761
00:39:45,199 --> 00:39:48,119
to be different feels to the songs. But I think

762
00:39:48,159 --> 00:39:53,840
you got something there that could be really compelling that

763
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:56,840
you can bring in the golf crowd to go. I'd

764
00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:59,480
go to that show, dear. We're going to the theater tonight,

765
00:39:59,679 --> 00:40:03,039
Oh we are. Yeah, We're gonna see a punk band

766
00:40:03,079 --> 00:40:05,000
do golf songs. Oh we are.

767
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:07,880
Speaker 2: I think what I think the main takeaway I'm getting

768
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:09,559
here is we're gonna have to learn how to dance.

769
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:14,119
That's That's what it sounds like. That kind of a music.

770
00:40:14,199 --> 00:40:21,800
Speaker 3: So it just it's a mosh pit man, or that

771
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:25,000
the name for our next song on about being in

772
00:40:25,039 --> 00:40:26,239
the bunker. The mosh pit.

773
00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:28,559
Speaker 2: It's not a bad idea and I'll throw it on

774
00:40:28,599 --> 00:40:28,960
the list.

775
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:30,559
Speaker 3: There you go.

776
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:36,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, just every Thursday night we go over these ideas.

777
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:37,480
This is a top of the list on.

778
00:40:38,639 --> 00:40:41,840
Speaker 3: Uh oh, well, we're gonna have to have you back.

779
00:40:43,679 --> 00:40:45,760
I was getting excited, like, oh, I want to go

780
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:47,480
on you. I want to go on your golf trips.

781
00:40:47,519 --> 00:40:49,639
But then you started talking about the whiskey and the

782
00:40:49,639 --> 00:40:51,800
thirty six holes a day for five days. Is like,

783
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:53,800
I'm too old for that. I'll just I'll just wait.

784
00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:57,119
Speaker 2: Well, we did learn our lesson for sure, just on

785
00:40:57,159 --> 00:41:01,079
the amount of like I officially found that last golf trip,

786
00:41:01,119 --> 00:41:03,239
I was like, okay, five days of thirty six is

787
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:05,480
too much golf. I found out that there is such

788
00:41:05,559 --> 00:41:09,119
thing which I never would have believed before. But yeah,

789
00:41:09,599 --> 00:41:12,360
raft to swap eighteen thirty six eighteen thirty six.

790
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:13,639
Speaker 3: That'll be the plan for the future.

791
00:41:14,159 --> 00:41:16,679
Speaker 1: And we're going to book any swaw session in between

792
00:41:17,199 --> 00:41:18,360
one of those eighteen old days.

793
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:18,880
Speaker 3: There you go.

794
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:19,159
Speaker 1: Yeah.

795
00:41:19,599 --> 00:41:21,920
Speaker 3: We had a golf trip once down to San Diego.

796
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:23,760
I have this group of guys that I traveled with

797
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:28,360
every year. We're down to three, but every year and

798
00:41:28,679 --> 00:41:31,000
one year we were in San Diego and for after

799
00:41:31,039 --> 00:41:33,119
one of the rounds, I booked masseuses to come to

800
00:41:33,159 --> 00:41:33,719
the house.

801
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:37,320
Speaker 1: We were all, oh, and never mind strippers were too

802
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:41,760
well married, then it's no stoppers.

803
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:48,199
Speaker 3: We didn't bachelor party. I can tell you a story

804
00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:50,440
about a bachelor party. I was in Detroit and I'm

805
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:55,800
not going to share it now, but guns came out,

806
00:41:56,199 --> 00:42:00,119
so I I just I, you know, I want everyone

807
00:42:00,199 --> 00:42:02,360
to go check out songs in the key of Golf

808
00:42:03,039 --> 00:42:07,079
and you can go to Majors band dot com and

809
00:42:07,519 --> 00:42:12,440
and find more about these guys. And quickly, how did

810
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:15,360
the name Majors? It is such a great name for

811
00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:19,079
a band. Majors it was and it is everything. It

812
00:42:19,199 --> 00:42:20,360
was like, it's a golf band.

813
00:42:20,519 --> 00:42:24,000
Speaker 2: It was just kind of tied into I mean, the

814
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:26,760
majors in golf and it and it looks really cool

815
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:29,880
all capitalized, So yeah, I love it.

816
00:42:30,599 --> 00:42:32,360
Speaker 1: Justin just came up with it as a stroke of genius.

817
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:35,159
We were on that golf trip, I think, and we're like, Okay,

818
00:42:35,159 --> 00:42:36,880
we're gonna do the band. We're gonna do it, and

819
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:40,559
Justin's like, what should it be called? Majors? Perfect? And

820
00:42:40,599 --> 00:42:43,000
then we looked, We're like, can we find a better name?

821
00:42:43,119 --> 00:42:46,000
And we looked for weeks, we thought about everything and

822
00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:46,719
there's nothing.

823
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:48,880
Speaker 2: But yeah, we tried a different one for a long

824
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:50,119
time and it just stuck.

825
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:55,480
Speaker 3: So well, yeah, it's Dick's Hard. It's Dick's Hard Songs

826
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:58,320
in the Key of Golf from majors Band dot com.

827
00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:02,039
Check it out just than Brix. Guys, this has been

828
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:05,199
so much fun and I look forward to the stage

829
00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:09,199
show and I'll be there for opening. That's good.

830
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:11,280
Speaker 2: Thanks for having us so you really do appreciate it

831
00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:11,639
a lot.

832
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:12,920
Speaker 1: This awesome. Thank you.

833
00:43:16,599 --> 00:43:19,000
Speaker 3: Well, you just never know what you're gonna hear on

834
00:43:19,039 --> 00:43:22,400
this podcast from one week to the next. Right, it

835
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:25,599
was really fun for me. I hope you enjoyed it too. Again,

836
00:43:25,639 --> 00:43:29,280
you can learn more at majorsband dot com and the

837
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:32,760
EP is called Songs in the Key of Golf and

838
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:35,840
in order of how they were played. I give you

839
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:40,599
small tastes of what it's all about, gi R swing

840
00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:45,360
thoughts and my favorite addiction or should I do that

841
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:48,679
like an FM disc jockey? And what it's all about

842
00:43:49,039 --> 00:43:54,599
before that gi R swing thoughts in my favorite addiction. Yeah,

843
00:43:54,599 --> 00:43:57,880
that's why I left radio. I had a really fun

844
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:02,599
round last week at the Claremont Country Club in Oakland, California. Now,

845
00:44:02,639 --> 00:44:06,760
I lived around that area between nineteen seventy six and

846
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:11,639
nineteen ninety two and never even knew that club existed,

847
00:44:12,079 --> 00:44:15,519
even though I drove right by it many, many times.

848
00:44:16,119 --> 00:44:19,239
The club was established in eighteen ninety seven, but the

849
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:24,800
course was designed by doctor Alistair McKenzie in nineteen twenty seven.

850
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:29,719
It's a wonderful little par sixty eight course with beautiful

851
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:33,119
views over the Bay of San Francisco, the Golden Gate Bridge,

852
00:44:33,599 --> 00:44:37,239
and Marin County from the back tease. It's only fifty

853
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:40,639
five hundred yards, with two par fives at one in

854
00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:45,159
eighteen and five par threes. Four of the par threes

855
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:47,440
are over one hundred and seventy yards, and two of

856
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:51,880
those or over two hundred and fifteen yards, and most

857
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:55,800
of the par fours demand a long second shot to

858
00:44:55,920 --> 00:45:00,199
either a protected or elevated green. As it is with

859
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:05,519
Alistair mackenzie designed courses, he uses bunkers to create illusions

860
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:08,880
that make the hole seem much longer from the tee

861
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:12,719
than it actually plays. The course beat me up pretty good,

862
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:16,320
and luckily my host has offered me an open invitation

863
00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:19,079
to play again. Of course he did. He won all

864
00:45:19,119 --> 00:45:23,239
three games we played, even though we have the same handicap.

865
00:45:24,199 --> 00:45:27,199
Next week, you'll walk with me and my caddie Sam

866
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:29,760
through the final five holes of my round at the

867
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:34,639
infamous Link style public course Chambers Bay, designed by Robert

868
00:45:34,679 --> 00:45:37,280
Trent Jones Junior in two thousand and seven for the

869
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:43,000
first Northwest hosted US Open back in twenty fifteen. And

870
00:45:43,079 --> 00:45:47,320
speaking of historic courses, this week's Golf Smarter Ambassador, Scott

871
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:51,960
Donnatally plays at the historic Summit Inn Golf Club in Farmington, PA,

872
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:58,320
which is only open from April through October. So, unfortunately, Scott,

873
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:01,400
your playing season is coming to a close for twenty

874
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:04,440
twenty four. I'm sorry, but I hope you'll continue to

875
00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:06,960
listen to Golf Smarter each week three year off season

876
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:10,480
to find out how to keep your game fresh. And

877
00:46:10,559 --> 00:46:15,800
here's some more fascinating stories from our eclectic variety of guests.

878
00:46:16,599 --> 00:46:19,760
Scott took advantage of our limited time offer of receiving

879
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:22,679
all three gifts given to our Golf Smarter Ambassadors that

880
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:26,519
included Tony Manzoni's video, a box of flight Path golf teas,

881
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:30,239
and a red rooster golf glove and glove storage compartment

882
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:33,039
I'd like to invite you to also be a Golf

883
00:46:33,039 --> 00:46:36,760
Smarter Ambassador and choose from one of those three great gifts.

884
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:39,719
When you participate, all you need to do is introduce

885
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:43,159
a future episode. Just write a golf Smarter Podcast at

886
00:46:43,159 --> 00:46:45,480
gmail dot com and I'll get back to you with

887
00:46:45,519 --> 00:46:48,679
some simple instructions on how to play. If you have

888
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:53,320
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889
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890
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