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<v Speaker 1>Bart home boy, we got plenty of reffing down here

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<v Speaker 1>to get into. But before you, oh look at you

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<v Speaker 1>the leonor Ryan near this morning. Yeah, busting out the

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<v Speaker 1>leonor Ryan gear. Nicely done.

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<v Speaker 2>How did they How did they do this weekend? Do

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<v Speaker 2>you know? By the way at the top.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, a lot of our athletic teams won this weekend,

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<v Speaker 3>so very good.

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<v Speaker 2>Well there you go, as always, And I.

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<v Speaker 3>Have nothing for the women's soccer team over Emory and Henry.

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<v Speaker 3>So that was a good one.

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<v Speaker 1>Well well, I mean, you know, it looks like they were.

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<v Speaker 1>It looks like Emery and Henry. We're just playing with

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<v Speaker 1>only two. So well yeah, Bill and Mary, Emory and Henry.

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<v Speaker 1>They're always playing shorthanded, all right, So reffing down here.

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<v Speaker 1>We do know that there's plenty to talk about, right uh,

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<v Speaker 1>But what I wanted to do was start by discussing

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<v Speaker 1>what happened with the U twenties on the women's side. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>getting the bronze medal in Colombia and doing it on

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<v Speaker 1>a one hundred and nineteenth minute winner to get the

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<v Speaker 1>bronze in an international tournament. So Hazahs and Serpentina to

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<v Speaker 1>the youth national team and the U twenty side.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean, I think first off, we have to

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<v Speaker 3>understand that North Korea does this particular competition very well,

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<v Speaker 3>especially when you consider how they're not very good at

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<v Speaker 3>the senior level. I won't speculate as to why they're

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<v Speaker 3>somehow really good at the U twenty level, but.

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<v Speaker 1>Just before military duty, eh.

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<v Speaker 3>But you know, there is just saying these youth tournaments

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<v Speaker 3>are about possibly finding some players to help with the

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<v Speaker 3>next cycle. Right, you get two U twenty World Cups

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<v Speaker 3>basically per cycle. So if you get one or two

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<v Speaker 3>from each U twenty tournament, right, maybe three, then you've won.

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<v Speaker 3>And I think we show that there are three, four,

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<v Speaker 3>maybe even five players that can potentially earn roles with

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<v Speaker 3>the US women's national team coming up in you know,

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<v Speaker 3>the twenty twenty seven cycle that we're now in.

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<v Speaker 1>One hundred nineteenth minute winner for Maddy Dolling and it

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<v Speaker 1>was a two to one win against the Netherlands bronze

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<v Speaker 1>medal in the twenty twenty four U twenty Women's World

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<v Speaker 1>Cup at the Estadio El kampen In in Bogata. So

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<v Speaker 1>Americans best finish in the past five World Cups, dating

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<v Speaker 1>back to their third and most recent title in twenty twelve,

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<v Speaker 1>second success in the bronze medal game, last taking third

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<v Speaker 1>in two thousand and four in Thailand.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah yeah, I mean again.

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<v Speaker 3>This is I think this is good progress for a

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<v Speaker 3>team that has struggled in the past editions of this,

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<v Speaker 3>of this tournament, I still maintained that the coach is yes,

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<v Speaker 3>yeahy Sivons has held this programm back for multiple World Cups.

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<v Speaker 3>She will no longer be coaching the U twenty side.

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<v Speaker 3>She is being shuffled to a desk job. Hopefully not

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<v Speaker 3>for long either. But again, this is I have stayed

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<v Speaker 3>on the same thought process for the longest, for the longest.

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<v Speaker 3>Tide youth tournaments are great to participate in. You want

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<v Speaker 3>to see good play, you want to see some promising talent.

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<v Speaker 3>But this was even I think, you know, this finally

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<v Speaker 3>met expectations, John right, Like I think for the longest time,

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<v Speaker 3>we've been like wired. Our you twenty is doing well.

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<v Speaker 3>And the fact that they get bronze, they beat the Netherlands,

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<v Speaker 3>a country that we've been told is caught up to us,

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<v Speaker 3>went farther than Spain, a country that we've been told

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<v Speaker 3>has surpassed us with players by the way who were

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<v Speaker 3>playing in NWSL, a league that we were told isn't

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<v Speaker 3>good enough to compete with the rest of the world.

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<v Speaker 3>That is, that is truly the wonderful thing here.

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<v Speaker 1>Also, let's see so running through the superlatives. Ali Center's

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<v Speaker 1>goal her third of the Women's World Cup after her

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<v Speaker 1>goal in Germany was changed to an og twelfth of

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<v Speaker 1>her U twenty career, also scored in the twenty twenty

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<v Speaker 1>two U twenty Women's World Cup, ends her U twenty

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<v Speaker 1>career with four World Cup goals. Geselle Thompson's assists her

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<v Speaker 1>second of attorney Pietro Tordin, leading scorer in the tournament,

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<v Speaker 1>finishes her U twenty career six goals in thirteen U

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<v Speaker 1>twenty caps. Dudley scores twice, giving her five U twenty

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<v Speaker 1>goals and thirteen appearances.

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<v Speaker 2>Local whoop woop. I think that's what the kids do

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<v Speaker 2>these days?

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<v Speaker 1>Did they still did the whoop poop when they celebrate

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<v Speaker 1>Euni McCormick two goals to assists all the tournament awards

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<v Speaker 1>announced after the twenty four FIFA U twenty Women's World

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<v Speaker 1>Cup Final in Bogata featuring Korea and Japan. Teagan why

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<v Speaker 1>A backup in twenty twenty two Stellar Roll Tournament, several

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<v Speaker 1>key saves contributing to the eventual bronze medal. So twenty

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<v Speaker 1>six to eleven in shots, nine on three shots on goal,

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<v Speaker 1>two saves for the US compared to eight for the Netherlands.

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<v Speaker 1>Seventeen corner kicks for the US match.

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<v Speaker 3>That's pretty a performance against the Netherlands. Now, granted it's

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<v Speaker 3>a bronze medal match, but you know that that is

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<v Speaker 3>also john kind of the mentality building, a rebuilding, I

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<v Speaker 3>should say of this program, where you know, in the

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<v Speaker 3>past the US women always take bronze medal game. Seriously,

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<v Speaker 3>that is just as important to walk away with the

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<v Speaker 3>medal at any level, right, And so to see the

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<v Speaker 3>girls come out with such a powerful and meaningful performance

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<v Speaker 3>in a match that most teams wouldn't really care about, right,

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<v Speaker 3>I think that's fair to say the third place match.

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<v Speaker 4>Is generally just like we're here.

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<v Speaker 3>That's great again, rebuilding the mentality, the winning mentality of

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<v Speaker 3>the program.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh and you know the beauty of staring at my

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<v Speaker 1>mail means this. We actually have even more breaking news,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's a venue announcement. US Soccer selects Saint Lewis

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<v Speaker 1>to host critical CONCACAF Nations League quarterfinal November eighteen. So

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<v Speaker 1>US Soccer has selected Saint Louis, mo well that.

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<v Speaker 4>That actually is a good I think that's a good location.

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<v Speaker 3>Saint Louis, you know, has proven to be a pretty

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<v Speaker 3>well supported MLS team, and it makes sense to go

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<v Speaker 3>from Saint Louis to probably a Central American country looking

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<v Speaker 3>like Costa Rica, Honduras, Guatemala, maybe Jamaica.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe A kickoff for City Park set for eight o'clock

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<v Speaker 1>on November eighteen. Match broadcast on every network imaginable.

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<v Speaker 3>I think the problem is they had to fly in

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<v Speaker 3>and out of Saint Louis International, which is by far

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<v Speaker 3>one of the worst experiences.

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<v Speaker 2>And Lambert so Lambert Lambert has not improved. Huh.

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<v Speaker 3>They spend all the money on the other side of

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<v Speaker 3>the state for that airport approval.

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<v Speaker 1>TNT true Universo, Max Peacock and FDP Radio first step

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<v Speaker 1>toward their fourth straight CONCA CAB Nations League TITOL. They've

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<v Speaker 1>won every edition of the competition since it launched in

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<v Speaker 1>twenty nineteen. Third trip to the home of the Saint

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<v Speaker 1>Louis City sc following two dominant shutout victories in their

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<v Speaker 1>first two visits eight one and three in Saint Louis

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<v Speaker 1>in their careers. Ticket information pre sales Monday September twenty third,

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<v Speaker 1>including Friday September So coach a circle, President's circle. So

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<v Speaker 1>get your tickets, become an insider, get more. There you go,

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<v Speaker 1>visa pre sale. So it's it is a visa pre sale.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if you have to show that to

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<v Speaker 1>wander in the door. Hi, here's my visa and so

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<v Speaker 1>there you go. You get into the pre sale. So

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<v Speaker 1>there you go. So it's heading to Saint Louis for

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<v Speaker 1>the week before Thanksgiving to find out what's what's.

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<v Speaker 2>Going on the ooh that.

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<v Speaker 3>Is right after the let me look at my schedule

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<v Speaker 3>real quick. Yeah, that's the Monday after.

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<v Speaker 4>Georgia host Tennessee.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, okay, so you see, now you got it. You

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<v Speaker 1>gotta get your money squared away.

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<v Speaker 3>No, you gotta figure out which when you're going to

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<v Speaker 3>if you're you're a Tennessee U g A or US soccer.

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<v Speaker 2>Fan, well, or you could just whip out. You could

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<v Speaker 2>whip out your visa card.

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<v Speaker 4>And sit there and go, this is gonna get I'm

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<v Speaker 4>sure that's why they want you to use it.

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<v Speaker 2>A plastic vacation exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh okay, so I'm going to uh tell you why

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<v Speaker 1>don't we build to it?

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<v Speaker 2>All right? So what do you what do you want

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<v Speaker 2>to handle? First? Do you want to handle?

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<v Speaker 4>I wanna? I want to handle. We'll get into We'll

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<v Speaker 4>get into Atlanta United. Let's do that one first.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, We're gonna do that one first, okay. So

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<v Speaker 2>here's what we do.

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<v Speaker 1>We're gonna replay, and like I said, this is the

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<v Speaker 1>network version. This is the network call of Callum and

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<v Speaker 1>Kaylan for goal number four. Callum and Cale. I know

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<v Speaker 1>Calum and Calen. Uh and so this is Callum is

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<v Speaker 1>Callum Williams and Kaylen Carr. This is their call from

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<v Speaker 1>Apple TV Plus and MLS Soccer goal number four from

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<v Speaker 1>the match this weekend. And I know that you already

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<v Speaker 1>had some interaction with folks on social media about this

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<v Speaker 1>particular play.

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<v Speaker 2>So here we go.

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<v Speaker 1>Provided I, oh, I don't know, maybe if I turned

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<v Speaker 1>the damn volume up, people.

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<v Speaker 2>Would have heard the thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Good Lord, you're sitting there, you turn the music down,

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<v Speaker 1>and all of a sudden it's down, and then you

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<v Speaker 1>turn the music back up, and then nothing's there. So anyway, Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>now that I've got the volume back up, let's try

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<v Speaker 1>it again once again, courtesy of our friends at Apple

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<v Speaker 1>TV plus and Major look and have him.

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<v Speaker 2>Settled for anything?

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<v Speaker 5>In this one he's continued to change the team pretty much.

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<v Speaker 2>The tale.

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<v Speaker 5>We're just out a minute, stop well ten town something.

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<v Speaker 5>It's the center back, no one I love him stands

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<v Speaker 5>this up to Tillanne.

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<v Speaker 2>Listen. It's a courageous header from him. He was disappointed

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<v Speaker 2>they didn't take all three points.

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<v Speaker 1>In it's nothing like It's like, okay, I turned the

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<v Speaker 1>music down, but it don't turn the loop off anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>so you got to hear it. Kind of one plus anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>I know that. And as I mentioned in our number one,

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<v Speaker 1>you're a fan. You're a fan of the Grand Final,

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<v Speaker 1>the Grand Finals coming up in Australian rules football. And

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<v Speaker 1>to be perfectly honest, looking at that play, I swear

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<v Speaker 1>to god, the only thing missing was the play by

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<v Speaker 1>play with Callum and Kellen going it's a mark you know?

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<v Speaker 1>Is something like that from Australians? What in the blue

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<v Speaker 1>hell play?

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, so I understand why Atlanta U added fans went

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<v Speaker 3>let's be called a foul.

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<v Speaker 4>It does appear that.

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<v Speaker 3>The headache the attacker jumps on top of Omador.

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<v Speaker 4>It does appear that he.

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<v Speaker 3>Invades maybe his vertical personal space, oh personal vertical space.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, whatever modifier needs to be in. However, I

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<v Speaker 3>think the issue that we're looking at here is the

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<v Speaker 3>attacker doesn't use his arms or any other part of

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<v Speaker 3>his body to gain that aerial advantage. And the other

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<v Speaker 3>problem is Amador is backing up. He is moving backwards,

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<v Speaker 3>possibly into the same vertical space that we're claiming he occupies.

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<v Speaker 3>That vertical space may be occupied by the attacker at

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<v Speaker 3>that point in time, I really didn't have an issue

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<v Speaker 3>with this not being called I'll be quite honest, because

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<v Speaker 3>it didn't seem to me that he used any sort

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<v Speaker 3>of unfair advantage outside of apparently being able to jump

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<v Speaker 3>like an NBA player. And while we want to be

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<v Speaker 3>upset that he eventually does contact, that contact is mainly

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<v Speaker 3>because Amodor backs up into him. He seems to be

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<v Speaker 4>It looked fairly legal. I'm really sorry, guys.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, Like I said, I mean that that it turned

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<v Speaker 3>But it did, and it's not not controversial. I just

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<v Speaker 3>You know you have some advantage with the ar right,

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<v Speaker 3>but if you don't see the actual foul. Again, we

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<v Speaker 4>Some direction as well.

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<v Speaker 3>But it it just seemed to me that he won

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<v Speaker 3>And when you look at it on broadcast, you can

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<v Speaker 3>He goes fairly straight up and down, which is another

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<v Speaker 3>thing that we are kind of looking for. You know,

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<v Speaker 4>Your vertical space.

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<v Speaker 2>But so the principle of verticality.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, the principle of verticality is still somewhat applies, but

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<v Speaker 3>again you have to be in control of that vertical space.

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<v Speaker 3>And I don't think Amador got it unfortunately.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, Like I said that, this is I'm gonna go

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<v Speaker 1>back and watch the match, and then I will go

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<v Speaker 1>back and I will zuppruder the film so I can

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<v Speaker 2>If there any advantages or gained or anything like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, the other element of the weekend, and this gives

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<v Speaker 1>the the Premier League as well, since we already talked

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<v Speaker 1>about the possible takeover of Everton. Oh my god, one

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<v Speaker 1>of the world's national nightmares might actually be over by

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<v Speaker 1>the Freakin Group and that creates another nightmare. Just ask Nick,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure is the matchup with Arsenal and Manchester City.

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<v Speaker 1>So first and foremost, where Comma Sircama capital s were

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<v Speaker 1>you when this match was going on?

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<v Speaker 4>I was.

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<v Speaker 3>Running after teenagers amount of soccer field being yelled at

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<v Speaker 3>by various of them.

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<v Speaker 2>God lord, oh boy, so you got you had to

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<v Speaker 2>You had to watch this on like later.

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<v Speaker 3>And I yeah, I had to check with it on

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<v Speaker 3>my fot mob map as I'm going app as I'm

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<v Speaker 3>going around and games. I thought for a second about

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<v Speaker 3>asking one of the boys on the bench.

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<v Speaker 4>Like, Hey, who's got a phone? You can give me

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<v Speaker 4>an update QUI. There was some hot takes.

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<v Speaker 3>Some of them included Messi as only a top ten

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<v Speaker 3>player by the way, And I didn't I was on

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<v Speaker 3>the line for that game, and I I I didn't

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<v Speaker 3>jump into the conversation, but I was, Wow.

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<v Speaker 4>Messi is only a top ten planet. Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So what I wanted to we may have to

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<v Speaker 2>do this two separate.

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<v Speaker 3>Ways and talk about Michael Oliver. I think that's a

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<v Speaker 3>good place to start. I think that's the best way

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<v Speaker 3>to start this discussion of this match.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure, because there were a couple of moments where Michael

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<v Speaker 1>Oliver kind of perhaps mentally went walk about as a

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<v Speaker 1>as a middle official.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>And what I said to folks before you were coming

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<v Speaker 1>in is that we might have to do this two ways.

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<v Speaker 2>We might have to do this.

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<v Speaker 1>With you with your rose colored arsenal glasses on, and

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<v Speaker 1>with you being as neutrals.

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<v Speaker 4>I do think I'm neutral in this sense, right.

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<v Speaker 3>I think Michael Oliver had a not very.

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<v Speaker 4>Good day at the office. I think that's fair to say.

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<v Speaker 3>I think he struggled to maintain for himself the lines

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<v Speaker 3>that he he himself drew.

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<v Speaker 2>He actually drew lines.

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<v Speaker 3>What wait a minute, right, and watching it back, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>listening to the commentary, they were and you can tell

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<v Speaker 3>this is coming from you know, I think it was

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<v Speaker 3>is it grammarly who was doing it? But coming from

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<v Speaker 3>a former professional player, it was frustrating for them to

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<v Speaker 3>watch a referee not be able to keep consistency, but

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<v Speaker 3>not just consistency and like, oh, you know, not just

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<v Speaker 3>calling fouls or not. Because I think he did an

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<v Speaker 3>okay enough job of like trying to keep fouls at

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<v Speaker 3>a level, right, he lets some physicality go. But the

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<v Speaker 3>problem is some of his decisions about how he managed

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<v Speaker 3>the game, who he talked to, what yellow cards were

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<v Speaker 3>and weren't given, were problematic.

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<v Speaker 4>And again I think.

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<v Speaker 3>Part of his issue was, just as Ropes puts out

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<v Speaker 3>in the comments, it was a little bit main character syndrome.

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<v Speaker 3>He felt he had to be the one to control

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<v Speaker 3>the match and that is his job, but he didn't

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<v Speaker 3>do a good enough job of controlling himself within the match,

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<v Speaker 3>and that happens sometimes. I will be the first to

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<v Speaker 3>say I had this issue on my third game. Now,

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<v Speaker 3>granted I'm doing three games. Michael Oliver gets won and

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<v Speaker 3>gets paid a hell of a lot more money.

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<v Speaker 4>Than I do.

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<v Speaker 3>But I had this issue with my third game on

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<v Speaker 3>Sunday where I was tired. It was ninety seven thousand

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<v Speaker 3>degrees and kids and parents are going around yapp in

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<v Speaker 3>the whole time, and I'm just like, y'all need to stop.

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<v Speaker 4>So I gave a lot of yellow cards for dissent.

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<v Speaker 4>It felt good.

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<v Speaker 2>Parents yellow cards, bang wish.

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<v Speaker 4>I gave the coach yellow card.

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<v Speaker 3>He got mad that I called a penalty kick for

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<v Speaker 3>his team. I'll talk about that later, but it was

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<v Speaker 3>it was a problem with him not controlling himself. I

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<v Speaker 3>think that was really what it was. He was unable

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<v Speaker 3>to keep himself at an even cool thing.

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<v Speaker 2>He didn't control himself.

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<v Speaker 4>He was not an even temperament.

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<v Speaker 3>He was not in a consistent frame of mind himself,

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<v Speaker 3>And I think that is where we got into the trouble, where,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, some things were conversations, some things were fouls,

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<v Speaker 3>some things were yellow cards, some things were let go

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<v Speaker 3>completely uh, And he seemed to the fouls themselves were okay, right.

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<v Speaker 3>I think most people you can watch, oh okay, some

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<v Speaker 3>fowls were let go some more, but like that's gonna

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<v Speaker 3>happen on any match.

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<v Speaker 4>It's the all the other stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, he's chatting up players in the box who

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<v Speaker 3>are just happened to be standing next to each other,

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<v Speaker 3>you know. But then on the goal that Arsenal scores

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<v Speaker 3>to go up to one before the half, Kyle Walker

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<v Speaker 3>sitting there slapping Gabrielle Martinelli.

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<v Speaker 4>No, Gabrielle.

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<v Speaker 3>Magas you know, before the match, before the kick happens,

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<v Speaker 3>and Gabrielle gets one up on him as scores. But

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<v Speaker 3>it's like, so, why aren't you discussing that, which is

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<v Speaker 3>clearly a player trying to antagonize an opponent. But two

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<v Speaker 3>players who hapen to just stand next to each other

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<v Speaker 3>in the box is fine, Like those types of Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>well which.

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<v Speaker 4>One are you commenting on? Right?

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<v Speaker 3>And it happened to all game where it was like, well, okay,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, Thomas Party maybe got away with something.

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<v Speaker 4>Now.

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<v Speaker 3>Granted, Rodery, I don't know what he was doing in

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<v Speaker 3>this game, because it seemed like he was just ready

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<v Speaker 3>to fall to the ground anytime someone looked at him.

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<v Speaker 4>Weirdoll and then an incident at.

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<v Speaker 3>The very beginning set the tone for Michael Oliver the

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<v Speaker 3>whole match, but also set the tone for what City

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<v Speaker 3>and Arsenal were trying to do. City was trying to

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<v Speaker 3>play the victim and Arsenal was trying to play the aggressor.

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<v Speaker 3>And you saw that throughout the entire match, and Oliver

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<v Speaker 3>didn't really address either part side until he decided to

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<v Speaker 3>just give yellow cards for I don't know what he

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<v Speaker 3>was giving yellow cards for sometimes, you know, And we

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<v Speaker 3>can talk about that particular incident of Troussard second yellow.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, that was.

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<v Speaker 3>Also a great example of Oliver not holding any light.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he his his The only thing consistent was his inconsistency.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess, uh you had there. There were a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of moments that have stuck out with folks and uh

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<v Speaker 1>and the I think the the larger element in all

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<v Speaker 1>of this was Michael Oliver's lack of consistency. And you're

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<v Speaker 1>wondering where the line is in any given moment.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, it's like drawing a line in the sand

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<v Speaker 3>during the sandstorm.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and that's kind of what it was like.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, or being the turf apparently at h at the

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<v Speaker 1>plow Lane with Wimbledon after a flood.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>It don't remind me as a remember the Dons trust God,

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<v Speaker 1>that's gonna be expensive to fix, and apparently it might

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<v Speaker 1>be a sinkhole. Okay, so a couple of moments. Let

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<v Speaker 1>me then this is gonna be random. It probably won't

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<v Speaker 1>be in time order.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>So Manchester United scores, City equalizes, it won Aerling. Holland

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<v Speaker 1>decides he wants to pick up the soccer ball and uh, sorry.

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<v Speaker 2>I think this was too two. Sorry in my bed.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the equalizers where Holland picks up the ball

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<v Speaker 1>throws it at Gabriel's.

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<v Speaker 3>Head was the equalizer at the very end. Yeah, lately, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>it's nothing by this. This this is not the first

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<v Speaker 3>time Holland has done something not disagreeious, but he has

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<v Speaker 3>a tendency to show boat after uh you know, I

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<v Speaker 3>mean truly taunt opponents after goals. This is not the

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<v Speaker 3>first time he's done this. And to throw the ball

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<v Speaker 3>at the back of someone's head like that, that is

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<v Speaker 3>possibly violent conduct. I'm sorry that just that cannot be unchecked.

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<v Speaker 1>And that went without any kind of repercussion or anything.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just like you threw it.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean literally, You've got players with jerseys over here,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, throws the throws the ball. I want to

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<v Speaker 1>ask about uh, the the Califiori equalizer? Okay, where you

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<v Speaker 1>have literally and because of once again not knowing where

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<v Speaker 1>the line is and not knowing where conversations are and

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<v Speaker 1>where where things are, where things stand, So Kyle Walker

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<v Speaker 1>is apparently ordered over to speak to Michael Oliver, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>and so called over, and then he doesn't have time

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<v Speaker 1>to recover his position before Arsenal takes a quick free

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<v Speaker 1>kick which leads to the equalizer, and you have a

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<v Speaker 1>moment like that, and then after that you you see

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<v Speaker 1>Kyle Walker and Pep Guardiola getting into it because Guardiola

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<v Speaker 1>was furious, and I imagine that Kyle Walker is in

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<v Speaker 1>turn saying, look, I would he called me over to

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<v Speaker 1>talk to him. That's why I was out of position,

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<v Speaker 1>knowing how positioning is so important for Pep Guardiola. When

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<v Speaker 1>you have a player that you call over or any

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<v Speaker 1>of your any of your friends and any any of

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<v Speaker 1>your your officiating crew types, when you have a when

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<v Speaker 1>you call a player over after a whistle in a

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<v Speaker 1>you know, a free kick situation, what is your allowance

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<v Speaker 1>for after the conversation is over? When is that moment

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<v Speaker 1>happened for you and your in your cohorts and then

429
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<v Speaker 1>how what's the spacing there to allow play to reset.

430
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<v Speaker 3>Well, I don't know if there's a cut and dry answer.

431
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<v Speaker 3>There does need to be for them. There should be

432
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<v Speaker 3>a whistle for the restart or at least some indication

433
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<v Speaker 3>of we're playing right.

434
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<v Speaker 4>You do need to give that when you stop the match.

435
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<v Speaker 2>There was one.

436
00:23:48.839 --> 00:23:49.880
<v Speaker 4>There was either.

437
00:23:53.400 --> 00:23:56.640
<v Speaker 3>And I did see I did physically see Michael Oliver

438
00:23:56.960 --> 00:24:00.799
<v Speaker 3>do the you know, the arm play off like come play,

439
00:24:00.960 --> 00:24:02.680
<v Speaker 3>but like he went, you.

440
00:24:02.640 --> 00:24:04.119
<v Speaker 4>Know, up and back.

441
00:24:07.400 --> 00:24:11.119
<v Speaker 3>But it wasn't an immediate Okay, we're done talking, keep playing.

442
00:24:11.759 --> 00:24:13.839
<v Speaker 3>There was a couple seconds, but at the same time,

443
00:24:13.920 --> 00:24:16.640
<v Speaker 3>you know, we're trying to get on the game.

444
00:24:18.599 --> 00:24:21.559
<v Speaker 4>And I think the issue here was for.

445
00:24:23.079 --> 00:24:26.519
<v Speaker 3>Was because Kyle Walker was out of position from where

446
00:24:26.519 --> 00:24:28.880
<v Speaker 3>he normally would have been defending.

447
00:24:29.960 --> 00:24:33.640
<v Speaker 4>But we can't penalize the team.

448
00:24:33.480 --> 00:24:36.039
<v Speaker 3>That got the free kick because we need to wait

449
00:24:36.079 --> 00:24:38.079
<v Speaker 3>for wait, we can't just wait for players to get

450
00:24:38.119 --> 00:24:40.720
<v Speaker 3>back into position every single time. And that's the other

451
00:24:40.880 --> 00:24:44.240
<v Speaker 3>kind of the tightrope that we're walking here is well,

452
00:24:44.279 --> 00:24:46.680
<v Speaker 3>what is a fair amount of time to get back?

453
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<v Speaker 3>But also you committed the foul, right and Arsenal had

454
00:24:51.920 --> 00:24:56.039
<v Speaker 3>we not stop play to talk to Kyle Walker may

455
00:24:56.079 --> 00:24:58.119
<v Speaker 3>have taken a freak a quick free kick anyway, and

456
00:24:58.160 --> 00:25:01.400
<v Speaker 3>that's it's hard because you you don't want to give

457
00:25:01.440 --> 00:25:04.759
<v Speaker 3>the attack, you don't want to nullify the attacking team's advantage, right,

458
00:25:05.640 --> 00:25:07.839
<v Speaker 3>but you do want to try to be fair.

459
00:25:09.200 --> 00:25:11.759
<v Speaker 4>And I don't think he didn't not have.

460
00:25:11.599 --> 00:25:14.000
<v Speaker 3>Time, but he definitely hadn't didn't have time to get

461
00:25:14.119 --> 00:25:15.039
<v Speaker 3>way back in position.

462
00:25:15.400 --> 00:25:17.960
<v Speaker 4>But again, you're the foul was not.

463
00:25:19.720 --> 00:25:22.240
<v Speaker 3>On the you know, right side, on the third, on

464
00:25:22.359 --> 00:25:25.920
<v Speaker 3>the attacking third for Arsenal, Right, it was at mid field.

465
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<v Speaker 3>Yes to me, I'm going, well, Kyle Walker was already

466
00:25:28.680 --> 00:25:31.599
<v Speaker 3>out of position. So again, it's not fair for Arsenal

467
00:25:31.640 --> 00:25:34.960
<v Speaker 3>to let Manchester City get set in a defensive formation

468
00:25:35.440 --> 00:25:37.319
<v Speaker 3>after they've been given a free kick type of thing.

469
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<v Speaker 1>Okay, ish housing, I want to get into that because

470
00:25:42.319 --> 00:25:46.759
<v Speaker 1>that was something that uh, Manchester City was not too

471
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<v Speaker 1>fond of. Was apparently the number of folks for Arsenal

472
00:25:49.880 --> 00:25:52.720
<v Speaker 1>going down with alleged cramps, et cetera, et cetera. Once again,

473
00:25:53.119 --> 00:25:59.480
<v Speaker 1>and going into this section, it is not something that

474
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<v Speaker 1>you can you cannot assume if and correct me if

475
00:26:03.960 --> 00:26:07.240
<v Speaker 1>I'm wrong here. It is not something that as a

476
00:26:07.279 --> 00:26:11.359
<v Speaker 1>center ref you can assume one hundred percent in the negative.

477
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<v Speaker 1>You cannot assume ish housing. You have to give the

478
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<v Speaker 1>player the benefit of the doubt. But you can take

479
00:26:19.000 --> 00:26:22.960
<v Speaker 1>evidence in its empirical nature and appliet Am I wrong?

480
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<v Speaker 4>Right?

481
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<v Speaker 3>I mean, look, you can't be sure if a player

482
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<v Speaker 3>is injured or not because in this game of soccer,

483
00:26:30.960 --> 00:26:34.839
<v Speaker 3>people pick up knocks and cramps and pain painful things

484
00:26:34.839 --> 00:26:40.599
<v Speaker 3>all the time. So you do have to allow them.

485
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<v Speaker 3>You have to understand you have to allow them to

486
00:26:42.279 --> 00:26:44.079
<v Speaker 3>have that right. But that doesn't mean that they can

487
00:26:44.119 --> 00:26:45.680
<v Speaker 3>take forever. That doesn't mean you can.

488
00:26:46.839 --> 00:26:50.599
<v Speaker 4>You need to wait for them to be okay.

489
00:26:50.759 --> 00:26:53.079
<v Speaker 3>You as a referee can speed up the process. So

490
00:26:53.119 --> 00:26:55.440
<v Speaker 3>it can either be you quickly call the training staff

491
00:26:55.440 --> 00:26:58.119
<v Speaker 3>onto the field or you say you you get your

492
00:26:58.160 --> 00:27:00.720
<v Speaker 3>watch out. Like a lot of MLS rules are trying

493
00:27:00.720 --> 00:27:04.079
<v Speaker 3>to do, is quicken the time you're allowed to be

494
00:27:04.200 --> 00:27:07.640
<v Speaker 3>injured basically right, And while the Premier League doesn't have

495
00:27:07.680 --> 00:27:09.920
<v Speaker 3>that stipulation, you can you can be there as a reference.

496
00:27:09.960 --> 00:27:12.240
<v Speaker 3>I well one, I'm atting the time. You know, you

497
00:27:12.279 --> 00:27:15.440
<v Speaker 3>start keeping track right then and there and to say okay,

498
00:27:15.440 --> 00:27:16.759
<v Speaker 3>well we need to get him off the field, so

499
00:27:16.799 --> 00:27:18.599
<v Speaker 3>there are ways as a referee that you can make

500
00:27:18.680 --> 00:27:19.279
<v Speaker 3>this quicker.

501
00:27:20.799 --> 00:27:21.000
<v Speaker 4>You know.

502
00:27:21.119 --> 00:27:23.680
<v Speaker 3>I'm sorry that Manchester City feels hard done by a

503
00:27:23.680 --> 00:27:26.480
<v Speaker 3>Premier League thing, because I'm sure they've never had any

504
00:27:26.640 --> 00:27:28.720
<v Speaker 3>advantages given to them by the Premier League or any

505
00:27:28.759 --> 00:27:33.680
<v Speaker 3>other never, but they do have, you know, they have

506
00:27:34.680 --> 00:27:40.920
<v Speaker 3>some level of gripe that Arsenal was trying to waste time,

507
00:27:41.000 --> 00:27:45.759
<v Speaker 3>trying to you know, well but at the same time, right,

508
00:27:45.759 --> 00:27:48.920
<v Speaker 3>but at the same time, they're just not used to

509
00:27:48.960 --> 00:27:51.839
<v Speaker 3>being to losing at home because they get every single

510
00:27:51.880 --> 00:27:54.440
<v Speaker 3>advantage that's ever been afforded to any team ever. So

511
00:27:54.519 --> 00:27:57.319
<v Speaker 3>this I think it's more about them again playing the

512
00:27:57.400 --> 00:28:00.400
<v Speaker 3>victim mentality here and saying, oh, well, how dare you

513
00:28:00.519 --> 00:28:03.440
<v Speaker 3>not give us the benefit of the doubt when you

514
00:28:03.480 --> 00:28:06.240
<v Speaker 3>know the other team is there's two teams on the field,

515
00:28:06.480 --> 00:28:09.240
<v Speaker 3>and Manchester City forgets that there are other teams and

516
00:28:09.240 --> 00:28:12.319
<v Speaker 3>they're allowed to do things too. But no, John, I

517
00:28:12.359 --> 00:28:13.839
<v Speaker 3>mean that's the point, right. We've had this issue with

518
00:28:13.839 --> 00:28:16.079
<v Speaker 3>Atlanta United where teams come in and they start wasting

519
00:28:16.079 --> 00:28:17.920
<v Speaker 3>time and it's like, well, yeah, that's they're what they're

520
00:28:17.960 --> 00:28:19.519
<v Speaker 3>going to do, you know, But.

521
00:28:19.640 --> 00:28:21.559
<v Speaker 1>It's just set but it's up to the center f

522
00:28:21.599 --> 00:28:26.839
<v Speaker 1>and the crew to understand where is housing is and

523
00:28:26.160 --> 00:28:31.559
<v Speaker 1>al and navigate the rules them correctly to where the

524
00:28:31.599 --> 00:28:33.319
<v Speaker 1>ish housing doesn't get out of control.

525
00:28:33.440 --> 00:28:37.279
<v Speaker 3>Absolutely, And then that was where I think Oliver again, yeah,

526
00:28:38.160 --> 00:28:41.680
<v Speaker 3>unable to control the match very well. He didn't take

527
00:28:41.759 --> 00:28:43.880
<v Speaker 3>measures to either control it or quicken it.

528
00:28:44.000 --> 00:28:44.079
<v Speaker 2>Right.

529
00:28:44.160 --> 00:28:46.680
<v Speaker 3>Again, you can't stop a player from going down injured

530
00:28:46.759 --> 00:28:49.400
<v Speaker 3>because again you don't know if they're entered or not.

531
00:28:50.559 --> 00:28:55.440
<v Speaker 3>You can take measures to make that stoppage quicker.

532
00:28:55.920 --> 00:28:56.039
<v Speaker 4>Uh.

533
00:28:56.160 --> 00:28:57.920
<v Speaker 3>And there is a yellow card given to a player

534
00:28:57.920 --> 00:29:00.839
<v Speaker 3>on the bench for legedly telling of it right to

535
00:29:01.079 --> 00:29:04.400
<v Speaker 3>go down, So clearly he wasn't he wasn't out of

536
00:29:04.440 --> 00:29:07.319
<v Speaker 3>tune to this. You know, kid hasn't even played a

537
00:29:07.359 --> 00:29:09.279
<v Speaker 3>minute of Premier League action and he's got a yellow card,

538
00:29:09.319 --> 00:29:12.759
<v Speaker 3>which quite honestly not the not the dumbest thing that

539
00:29:12.799 --> 00:29:16.200
<v Speaker 3>we've done that I mean to think about it.

540
00:29:16.440 --> 00:29:19.000
<v Speaker 1>If there's there's a hold on the sidelines who hasn't

541
00:29:19.039 --> 00:29:23.079
<v Speaker 1>played lick of action, right, and you're the manager, go

542
00:29:23.079 --> 00:29:24.960
<v Speaker 1>to him and sit there and say, okay, I need

543
00:29:25.000 --> 00:29:29.279
<v Speaker 1>you to say this, tell right, because A when's he

544
00:29:29.359 --> 00:29:33.680
<v Speaker 1>gonna play? B when's he gonna get another four yellows

545
00:29:33.720 --> 00:29:35.599
<v Speaker 1>to sit there and write off.

546
00:29:35.640 --> 00:29:37.440
<v Speaker 2>I mean in a way that is brilliant.

547
00:29:37.799 --> 00:29:39.799
<v Speaker 3>I mean, the seventeen year old who's really on the

548
00:29:39.839 --> 00:29:43.359
<v Speaker 3>bench right now because of injuries and players missing time,

549
00:29:44.160 --> 00:29:44.440
<v Speaker 3>you know.

550
00:29:44.880 --> 00:29:47.599
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it is like that's the thing, is like this

551
00:29:47.640 --> 00:29:53.359
<v Speaker 4>is the ship housing that you know it?

552
00:29:53.680 --> 00:29:57.319
<v Speaker 3>It happens right And again the referee, at least in

553
00:29:57.359 --> 00:30:02.480
<v Speaker 3>this incident, said you can't do that and gave a

554
00:30:02.559 --> 00:30:04.319
<v Speaker 3>yellow card for it. So I mean it's not like

555
00:30:04.359 --> 00:30:07.000
<v Speaker 3>he didn't not deal with it. I don't think he

556
00:30:07.039 --> 00:30:10.359
<v Speaker 3>did a good enough job of actually controlling when it happened.

557
00:30:10.400 --> 00:30:13.119
<v Speaker 3>Because again, you can't stop a player from being injured.

558
00:30:13.640 --> 00:30:17.240
<v Speaker 3>You can, however, make things a little bit quicker. And

559
00:30:17.480 --> 00:30:21.000
<v Speaker 3>as he showed be in tune of is this the strategy?

560
00:30:21.079 --> 00:30:25.279
<v Speaker 4>What is the coach saying now to.

561
00:30:25.200 --> 00:30:25.880
<v Speaker 2>The moment that.

562
00:30:28.319 --> 00:30:30.559
<v Speaker 1>We really wanted to get into here Now, I'm not

563
00:30:30.599 --> 00:30:33.039
<v Speaker 1>talking about Erling Holland telling the kill Arteta to stay

564
00:30:33.119 --> 00:30:35.599
<v Speaker 1>humble after the match, and apparently that did show up

565
00:30:35.599 --> 00:30:44.160
<v Speaker 1>on camera with audio, but the decision to dismiss Leandro Trossard, Yeah,

566
00:30:44.160 --> 00:30:47.920
<v Speaker 1>with a second yellow he'd been booked for pulling Savigno back,

567
00:30:48.000 --> 00:30:50.160
<v Speaker 1>and this is how it was worded in the telegram.

568
00:30:50.400 --> 00:30:53.160
<v Speaker 1>Our Teta was furious about the decision to dismiss Trossard,

569
00:30:53.160 --> 00:30:55.759
<v Speaker 1>who had already been booked for pulling back Savigno after

570
00:30:55.799 --> 00:30:58.319
<v Speaker 1>decland Rice had been sent off in similar circumstances for

571
00:30:58.440 --> 00:30:59.759
<v Speaker 1>kicking the ball away against Brighton.

572
00:31:00.039 --> 00:31:02.279
<v Speaker 2>Sorry but the declan Rice, you don't do that. If

573
00:31:02.279 --> 00:31:03.440
<v Speaker 2>it got seen, it got seen.

574
00:31:03.880 --> 00:31:06.599
<v Speaker 1>Jeremy Dunkhu escaped censure in the game for kicking the

575
00:31:06.599 --> 00:31:09.359
<v Speaker 1>ball away, although the City winger appeared to be kicking

576
00:31:09.359 --> 00:31:11.839
<v Speaker 1>it towards the area he felt an Arsenal free kick

577
00:31:11.880 --> 00:31:12.599
<v Speaker 1>should be taken.

578
00:31:12.640 --> 00:31:13.880
<v Speaker 4>No matter, it's not your ball.

579
00:31:14.240 --> 00:31:17.640
<v Speaker 1>Ur Teta said, quote, it's obvious. It's that obvious that

580
00:31:17.680 --> 00:31:19.799
<v Speaker 1>it's not necessary to comment on it. It's the second

581
00:31:19.839 --> 00:31:23.200
<v Speaker 1>time this season. I'm expecting one hundred Premier League games

582
00:31:23.240 --> 00:31:25.799
<v Speaker 1>to be ten against eleven or nine y ten this season.

583
00:31:25.880 --> 00:31:28.119
<v Speaker 1>Let's see, it's already happened twice in five games, which

584
00:31:28.160 --> 00:31:31.119
<v Speaker 1>is very worrying to see in the best in the

585
00:31:31.160 --> 00:31:32.480
<v Speaker 1>best league, the Premier League.

586
00:31:32.920 --> 00:31:35.160
<v Speaker 2>So Trussard, because of.

587
00:31:36.000 --> 00:31:41.160
<v Speaker 3>How it I will admit this is going to be

588
00:31:41.160 --> 00:31:44.000
<v Speaker 3>hard for me to talk about because it's happened to

589
00:31:44.119 --> 00:31:47.559
<v Speaker 3>us twice. And I think, more importantly, as mentioned in

590
00:31:47.599 --> 00:31:52.359
<v Speaker 3>the article, the opponent did the same thing before. We

591
00:31:52.440 --> 00:31:55.880
<v Speaker 3>got a yellow card for doing something, in my opinion,

592
00:31:56.240 --> 00:31:57.039
<v Speaker 3>less egregious.

593
00:31:57.079 --> 00:31:57.400
<v Speaker 4>I think.

594
00:31:57.440 --> 00:32:01.680
<v Speaker 3>For Trossard, I understand why it was called. You know,

595
00:32:01.799 --> 00:32:07.119
<v Speaker 3>he kicked the ball away late. It felt more like

596
00:32:07.200 --> 00:32:12.000
<v Speaker 3>a continuation of play. Sure it was after the whistle,

597
00:32:12.079 --> 00:32:17.319
<v Speaker 3>that's fair. Yeah, what Djoku did was way more egregious.

598
00:32:17.359 --> 00:32:19.079
<v Speaker 3>I don't care if you think, oh, well, it's back there,

599
00:32:19.160 --> 00:32:22.480
<v Speaker 3>that's not your ball and it's not your job to

600
00:32:22.559 --> 00:32:25.759
<v Speaker 3>do that, right, That's that's not how this works.

601
00:32:25.799 --> 00:32:27.920
<v Speaker 4>Also, I can use then.

602
00:32:28.200 --> 00:32:30.000
<v Speaker 3>Declar Rice was just kicking the ball away where he

603
00:32:30.000 --> 00:32:33.559
<v Speaker 3>thought the fair kick should have been. That is a

604
00:32:33.680 --> 00:32:39.519
<v Speaker 3>terrible terriffuse to use to excuse someone who, five seconds

605
00:32:39.559 --> 00:32:42.559
<v Speaker 3>after the play has been called a foul, is kicking

606
00:32:42.559 --> 00:32:48.200
<v Speaker 3>the ball away. And again that's the issue is Trossard

607
00:32:48.200 --> 00:32:49.720
<v Speaker 3>looked like he was just continuing play.

608
00:32:49.839 --> 00:32:54.400
<v Speaker 4>Now, I agree that could can be a yellow cart.

609
00:32:54.480 --> 00:32:56.559
<v Speaker 3>The same thing we wanted in the Brighton game, when

610
00:32:56.559 --> 00:32:58.240
<v Speaker 3>the player the ball goes out of play and he

611
00:32:58.759 --> 00:33:01.799
<v Speaker 3>knocks the ball seventy yards down the field could be

612
00:33:01.839 --> 00:33:03.759
<v Speaker 3>seen as a continuation to play. I don't know why

613
00:33:03.759 --> 00:33:05.640
<v Speaker 3>you would knock the ball seventy yards down the field

614
00:33:05.680 --> 00:33:07.759
<v Speaker 3>like that, but can be seen because it was a

615
00:33:07.920 --> 00:33:12.880
<v Speaker 3>rather quick succession. And that's different, I think, than knocking

616
00:33:12.920 --> 00:33:14.839
<v Speaker 3>the ball away for a free kick, right, because what

617
00:33:14.960 --> 00:33:15.920
<v Speaker 3>Declan Rice did was.

618
00:33:15.920 --> 00:33:17.039
<v Speaker 4>Not a continuation to play.

619
00:33:17.160 --> 00:33:20.799
<v Speaker 3>That's very true. He knocked the ball away after a

620
00:33:20.799 --> 00:33:22.839
<v Speaker 3>foulbon call. He's walking away, he sees the ball, he

621
00:33:22.920 --> 00:33:26.039
<v Speaker 3>knocks away. I understand why a referee thing SUTs the

622
00:33:26.079 --> 00:33:30.319
<v Speaker 3>yellow card. So what Djoku does is similar to what

623
00:33:30.440 --> 00:33:34.680
<v Speaker 3>Rice does. But Rice gets penalized. But because Manchester City

624
00:33:34.720 --> 00:33:36.200
<v Speaker 3>is Manchester City, they don't get it.

625
00:33:36.720 --> 00:33:39.160
<v Speaker 4>But Trossard, who.

626
00:33:39.480 --> 00:33:44.960
<v Speaker 3>Is continuing play, gets booked immediately, right, and more importantly,

627
00:33:45.000 --> 00:33:48.920
<v Speaker 3>the foul itself probably also is in a yellow card

628
00:33:49.000 --> 00:33:51.519
<v Speaker 3>given the context of the match. And that's the other

629
00:33:51.559 --> 00:33:55.720
<v Speaker 3>issue is if the yellow cards for the foul, that's

630
00:33:55.759 --> 00:33:58.160
<v Speaker 3>a really soft yellow card and the context of the

631
00:33:58.200 --> 00:34:02.960
<v Speaker 3>match that he has called right, the yellow card for

632
00:34:03.480 --> 00:34:08.440
<v Speaker 3>knocking the ball away when City players did something more egregious.

633
00:34:09.000 --> 00:34:11.599
<v Speaker 4>Right, It's just it's hard. I know.

634
00:34:11.639 --> 00:34:13.400
<v Speaker 3>You can say all Arsenal needs to learn their lesson,

635
00:34:13.400 --> 00:34:17.639
<v Speaker 3>and I agree. The problem is again consistency, so other

636
00:34:17.719 --> 00:34:22.039
<v Speaker 3>teams are allowed to do it without any real penance

637
00:34:22.679 --> 00:34:24.280
<v Speaker 3>or any real.

638
00:34:25.559 --> 00:34:27.039
<v Speaker 4>Adjudication from the referee at all.

639
00:34:27.320 --> 00:34:28.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, repercussion.

640
00:34:29.599 --> 00:34:35.800
<v Speaker 3>Oliver even yelled at Arsenal about it when Joku did it.

641
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<v Speaker 3>I'm sorry to talk about it as an Arsenal fan

642
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<v Speaker 3>because it has happened to us twice.

643
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<v Speaker 2>I know.

644
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<v Speaker 4>It.

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00:34:44.280 --> 00:34:47.239
<v Speaker 3>It's frustrating because other teams do it and and our

646
00:34:47.280 --> 00:34:50.000
<v Speaker 3>touch is correct. Is like, well, if we're gonna be this,

647
00:34:51.159 --> 00:34:54.719
<v Speaker 3>if we're gonna police it this hard, yeah, then you're

648
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<v Speaker 3>gonna have a lot of games where you're gonna have

649
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<v Speaker 3>ten nine players on the field.

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<v Speaker 4>And I think we go back the game last.

651
00:35:01.239 --> 00:35:05.440
<v Speaker 3>Year between these two match these two teams when a

652
00:35:05.480 --> 00:35:07.960
<v Speaker 3>City player was on a yellow card and did something

653
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<v Speaker 3>that should have been deem does second yellow, but wasn't

654
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<v Speaker 3>given because Michael Oliver quote didn't want to affect the game.

655
00:35:17.159 --> 00:35:22.039
<v Speaker 3>Yet this in the first half. Now, again, tross Art

656
00:35:22.079 --> 00:35:23.920
<v Speaker 3>shouldn't be putting yourself in this. You know, the first

657
00:35:24.000 --> 00:35:28.679
<v Speaker 3>yellow card stopping a promising attack not great. Second yellow

658
00:35:28.679 --> 00:35:33.880
<v Speaker 3>card avoidable. They're both avoidable. But again, why does one

659
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<v Speaker 3>team get extra allowances, get extra room, but the other

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<v Speaker 3>team doesn't.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just saying that's why I said, I figured we'd

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<v Speaker 2>have to ask you the question two separate times, for you,

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<v Speaker 2>the the Arsenal fan to discuss and for the ref

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<v Speaker 2>to discuss. We do have the what's the mugge this morning?

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<v Speaker 4>By the way, Sydney.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, there you go. Yes, I remember that trip. I

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<v Speaker 2>remember that I was.

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00:35:58.239 --> 00:35:59.719
<v Speaker 4>I was on I was down there.

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<v Speaker 2>With with your late with your late night local time

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<v Speaker 2>phone calls to us to.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>So here's here's how Guardiola was asked about it, and

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<v Speaker 1>Kyle Walker was asked about that moment after the match,

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<v Speaker 1>the one that we.

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00:36:13.039 --> 00:36:15.320
<v Speaker 2>Discussed where Kyle's asked to come over.

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<v Speaker 1>So Pep said in the future quote, I will say

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<v Speaker 1>to my players, when the referee says, come and talk

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<v Speaker 1>to me, we will not go end quote, but added

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<v Speaker 1>that his players should have been compensated, should have compensated

681
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<v Speaker 1>for the situation by reorganizing.

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00:36:29.320 --> 00:36:32.119
<v Speaker 2>So Pep is saying a.

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<v Speaker 1>He's like, Okay, if if a ref wants my player

684
00:36:35.000 --> 00:36:36.920
<v Speaker 1>to come over, I'm going to tell him don't. But

685
00:36:37.039 --> 00:36:40.360
<v Speaker 1>at the same time, his players should have reorganized. If

686
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<v Speaker 1>Kyle Walker was going to talk to Michael Oliver. They

687
00:36:42.719 --> 00:36:45.679
<v Speaker 1>should have had the foreign knowledge to reorganize to be

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<v Speaker 1>prepared for something that short.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, yeah, go ahead, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>That's the issue, right is I think.

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<v Speaker 3>Again, even if the referee gives Walker a second two seconds,

692
00:37:00.079 --> 00:37:02.320
<v Speaker 3>does that mean he's fully back and again, how does

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<v Speaker 3>that affect the attacking team?

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<v Speaker 1>So then Walker felt Oliver should have been given him,

695
00:37:08.519 --> 00:37:11.079
<v Speaker 1>should have given him time to get back into position.

696
00:37:11.199 --> 00:37:13.719
<v Speaker 1>Quote from Kyle. I'm not ever going to come on

697
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<v Speaker 1>national TV, national radio and start slagging people off, because

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00:37:16.719 --> 00:37:18.480
<v Speaker 1>there's enough of that going on around in the world.

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<v Speaker 1>What I'm saying is I've not gone over to the referee.

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<v Speaker 1>Me and but Kyosaka have not gone over to the referee.

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<v Speaker 1>He's called us over.

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<v Speaker 2>Quote.

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<v Speaker 1>So if I'm being called over to the referee, he

704
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<v Speaker 1>then should wait and allow me to get back in

705
00:37:32.840 --> 00:37:35.679
<v Speaker 1>position before the ball is then gone over my head.

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<v Speaker 1>So if I go over to the referee by my

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00:37:37.880 --> 00:37:40.559
<v Speaker 1>own accord and I'm out of position, it's my fault.

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00:37:40.719 --> 00:37:43.679
<v Speaker 1>But I'm in position. He's called the two captains obviously

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<v Speaker 1>to calm the players down. I'm walking back saying, lads,

710
00:37:46.039 --> 00:37:48.760
<v Speaker 1>concentrate nothing stupid, make sure we get through this, the

711
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<v Speaker 1>ball's then going over my head. Me and Mike have

712
00:37:51.480 --> 00:37:53.280
<v Speaker 1>a very good relationship, and I think he has a

713
00:37:53.400 --> 00:37:55.440
<v Speaker 1>very hard job, especially at the top level. So that's

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00:37:55.480 --> 00:37:57.719
<v Speaker 1>not me being critical of him. I know he has

715
00:37:57.760 --> 00:37:59.639
<v Speaker 1>a hard enough job. He's got twenty two angry players

716
00:37:59.679 --> 00:38:02.880
<v Speaker 1>screaming at him continuously. If he calls me over, if

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00:38:02.880 --> 00:38:05.480
<v Speaker 1>I go over of my own accord, fair enough, But

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<v Speaker 1>for him to call both captains over and then not

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00:38:07.760 --> 00:38:10.239
<v Speaker 1>let me get back in position. If I was a goalkeeper,

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<v Speaker 1>does he let me get back into my net? Of course,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a defender. I'm the first line of defense. He

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00:38:14.280 --> 00:38:16.719
<v Speaker 1>should let me get back in and be set and

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<v Speaker 1>then blow the whistle.

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<v Speaker 3>So he agrees that kaya Soaka should have been given

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00:38:20.039 --> 00:38:22.679
<v Speaker 3>time to get back into position to start making an attack. Okay,

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00:38:22.800 --> 00:38:26.639
<v Speaker 3>love that. Okay, so there you go. Uh So, I

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<v Speaker 3>understand it. But this is what the laws of the

728
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<v Speaker 3>game say. And this isn't specific to this instance, but

729
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<v Speaker 3>this is kind of it falls under this category right

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<v Speaker 3>delaying the restart to show a card. Once the referee

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<v Speaker 3>has decided to caution or send off a player, play

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00:38:41.119 --> 00:38:44.840
<v Speaker 3>must not be restarted until the sanction has been administered.

733
00:38:46.159 --> 00:38:48.000
<v Speaker 3>Unless the non if any team takes a quick free

734
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<v Speaker 3>kick and has a clear goal scoring opportunity in the

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00:38:49.960 --> 00:38:54.360
<v Speaker 3>referee can wait to sanction the player until after his

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<v Speaker 3>hat now, but once the sanction has started, all that

737
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<v Speaker 3>it says is must not be restarted until after until

738
00:39:03.480 --> 00:39:05.880
<v Speaker 3>the sanction has been administered. So in this case, he

739
00:39:05.920 --> 00:39:09.880
<v Speaker 3>brings him over, he says, boys, stop it. You know,

740
00:39:11.280 --> 00:39:16.559
<v Speaker 3>that's the sanction. He stops the conversation. Arsenal takes the kick.

741
00:39:17.119 --> 00:39:20.639
<v Speaker 3>Now again, you you can absolutely say he's you know,

742
00:39:20.960 --> 00:39:22.480
<v Speaker 3>I could have needed time to get back.

743
00:39:22.519 --> 00:39:23.639
<v Speaker 4>I think that's fair.

744
00:39:24.320 --> 00:39:28.559
<v Speaker 3>But both, especially in this case, both players were, both

745
00:39:28.559 --> 00:39:33.599
<v Speaker 3>teams were involved in this right and so both players

746
00:39:33.639 --> 00:39:36.599
<v Speaker 3>in theory are now down a player from this particular thing.

747
00:39:38.800 --> 00:39:42.679
<v Speaker 3>It's not an unfair complaint from Kyle Walker, but again,

748
00:39:42.800 --> 00:39:46.719
<v Speaker 3>what you it's not fair to the attacking team to

749
00:39:46.840 --> 00:39:52.599
<v Speaker 3>let the the defending team get completely set to take

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00:39:52.599 --> 00:39:54.159
<v Speaker 3>a freaking you know.

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<v Speaker 1>According to Rob Dawson earlier this morning, Erling Holland will

752
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<v Speaker 1>not face punishment for them. Of course, Gabriel Mogelize in.

753
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<v Speaker 3>Being the ball at someone, it's not at all sanctionable,

754
00:40:06.280 --> 00:40:08.119
<v Speaker 3>but you know, kicking the ball slightly after the play

755
00:40:08.239 --> 00:40:09.280
<v Speaker 3>that deserves the red card.

756
00:40:10.320 --> 00:40:13.199
<v Speaker 1>So Dawson says the incident was missed by Michael Oliver

757
00:40:13.360 --> 00:40:16.280
<v Speaker 1>spotted by v R. John Brooks, who decided it did

758
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<v Speaker 1>not constitute violent conduct. Source told The Four Letter of

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00:40:20.559 --> 00:40:23.440
<v Speaker 1>the Fare happy that the incident was dealt with at

760
00:40:23.440 --> 00:40:26.440
<v Speaker 1>the time in Holland will not face retrospective action.

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00:40:27.199 --> 00:40:29.920
<v Speaker 3>Well, I mean they're very happy that Earling Holland will

762
00:40:29.920 --> 00:40:32.920
<v Speaker 3>continue to play and not have to face any punishment

763
00:40:32.960 --> 00:40:36.199
<v Speaker 3>because you know that serves the Premier League.

764
00:40:36.000 --> 00:40:39.400
<v Speaker 2>Well well, and it serves my fantasy, just like just.

765
00:40:39.360 --> 00:40:41.639
<v Speaker 3>Like not calling past interference in the end zone against

766
00:40:41.639 --> 00:40:42.239
<v Speaker 3>the Chiefs.

767
00:40:42.000 --> 00:40:45.320
<v Speaker 2>Serves Oh boy, oh brother.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean that's uh yeah, that's a that's a diff

769
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<v Speaker 1>that's a different kind of reffing down here.

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00:40:50.679 --> 00:40:52.199
<v Speaker 2>That's for the college football side.

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00:40:52.480 --> 00:40:54.679
<v Speaker 3>I don't have a certification in that, so I won't speak,

772
00:40:54.679 --> 00:40:57.599
<v Speaker 3>but I'll just say, I don't know, man, look looked

773
00:40:57.599 --> 00:40:58.280
<v Speaker 3>a little fishy.

774
00:40:59.079 --> 00:41:00.079
<v Speaker 2>Well like I said that.

775
00:41:00.239 --> 00:41:02.840
<v Speaker 1>That's that's We talked about that on the college football

776
00:41:02.880 --> 00:41:06.719
<v Speaker 1>side on Sunday mornings and Tuesday night, So that's that's

777
00:41:06.719 --> 00:41:10.440
<v Speaker 1>when that one gets discussed. Anything else from a a

778
00:41:10.800 --> 00:41:14.079
<v Speaker 1>refing perspective or a national perspective. Stick a feather in

779
00:41:14.079 --> 00:41:15.079
<v Speaker 1>your cap from this weekend.

780
00:41:16.000 --> 00:41:19.559
<v Speaker 4>However, however, well, well know I love how that came

781
00:41:19.599 --> 00:41:20.039
<v Speaker 4>back again.

782
00:41:21.719 --> 00:41:25.159
<v Speaker 2>Wait, hang on, see you got to set me up

783
00:41:25.199 --> 00:41:26.000
<v Speaker 2>for something like that.

784
00:41:28.920 --> 00:41:32.360
<v Speaker 3>Hit it, I do credit Tory Penso. I thought that

785
00:41:33.480 --> 00:41:36.599
<v Speaker 3>what we're seeing from MLS referees finally is a good

786
00:41:36.719 --> 00:41:39.360
<v Speaker 3>cadence to delivering decisions.

787
00:41:39.880 --> 00:41:41.239
<v Speaker 4>I thought pen So did a good job.

788
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<v Speaker 3>What's it our penalty of their penalty, the penalty they

789
00:41:46.360 --> 00:41:51.920
<v Speaker 3>got where explain exactly what happened?

790
00:41:52.559 --> 00:41:55.559
<v Speaker 4>Right, give some sort of context?

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00:41:55.679 --> 00:41:59.440
<v Speaker 3>Right, this player did this? Therefore this right? And I

792
00:41:59.440 --> 00:42:02.079
<v Speaker 3>thought penco a good job of Like, okay, this player

793
00:42:02.840 --> 00:42:10.199
<v Speaker 3>was in an offside position. Okay, cool, we understand that. However, great, Okay,

794
00:42:10.239 --> 00:42:13.119
<v Speaker 3>So we're explaining the decision, right, That's the point of

795
00:42:13.159 --> 00:42:16.280
<v Speaker 3>these calls using the microphones is to explain the decision.

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00:42:16.280 --> 00:42:17.079
<v Speaker 4>And we've seen.

797
00:42:18.480 --> 00:42:25.239
<v Speaker 3>We've seen how NFL and college officials find ways to

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00:42:25.280 --> 00:42:31.239
<v Speaker 3>better explain things succinctly, but in a detailed and uniform way. Right,

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00:42:31.920 --> 00:42:34.559
<v Speaker 3>More than just the college confirmed the calls overruled the

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00:42:34.559 --> 00:42:35.679
<v Speaker 3>call stands, right, Like.

801
00:42:36.039 --> 00:42:36.559
<v Speaker 2>That is.

802
00:42:38.039 --> 00:42:40.920
<v Speaker 3>Fine in some stances, right, like if you were to

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00:42:40.960 --> 00:42:43.239
<v Speaker 3>not if you were to have given a penalty kick

804
00:42:43.280 --> 00:42:45.719
<v Speaker 3>in that sense, because probably deserved a penalty kick.

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00:42:46.039 --> 00:42:46.719
<v Speaker 4>I think that was.

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00:42:46.719 --> 00:42:51.800
<v Speaker 3>Fortune maybe who Yeah, it was Fortune who filed?

807
00:42:52.840 --> 00:42:54.599
<v Speaker 4>I forget who was the attacker for New York.

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00:42:55.280 --> 00:42:57.440
<v Speaker 3>Had you called that in real time, all you need

809
00:42:57.519 --> 00:43:00.440
<v Speaker 3>to say is after review the penalty kick is confirmed, boom,

810
00:43:00.440 --> 00:43:03.280
<v Speaker 3>we're done. But if you're changing a call, you need

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00:43:03.320 --> 00:43:07.880
<v Speaker 3>to provide good communication as to why. And I thought

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<v Speaker 3>Penso did it well. I thought Diyitch did a good

813
00:43:11.119 --> 00:43:14.599
<v Speaker 3>job in Saint Louis it using the however, Yes, it's sase,

814
00:43:15.440 --> 00:43:15.800
<v Speaker 3>but it.

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<v Speaker 4>Does explain things well.

816
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<v Speaker 3>And especially in both of those instances, Duych had to

817
00:43:20.199 --> 00:43:23.400
<v Speaker 3>go back and say, like, well, all these things were fine, however.

818
00:43:23.119 --> 00:43:25.079
<v Speaker 4>There was a foul before that, which there was.

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<v Speaker 3>Penzo also had to use the however to explain why, Yes,

820
00:43:29.039 --> 00:43:30.960
<v Speaker 3>player was in an off side position, but because I

821
00:43:31.000 --> 00:43:35.440
<v Speaker 3>didn't interfere with play, wasn't offside, which is how it works.

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00:43:35.480 --> 00:43:36.679
<v Speaker 4>You can be in an off side position.

823
00:43:36.760 --> 00:43:39.159
<v Speaker 3>It is not an offense in itself to be in

824
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<v Speaker 3>an off side position, as the laws of the game say.

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<v Speaker 1>One other thing before the rest of your Monday is

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<v Speaker 1>as you wish, according to our friends of the Canadian

827
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<v Speaker 1>press CBC at all and that is our Latin search

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<v Speaker 1>for firm for today, that is at ali e or

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<v Speaker 1>at ali us and others. Nearly two months after announcing

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<v Speaker 1>it into an external review into the Paris Olympics drone

831
00:44:02.119 --> 00:44:04.679
<v Speaker 1>spying scandal, Canada Soccer, like everyone else, is waiting on

832
00:44:04.719 --> 00:44:05.159
<v Speaker 1>its findings.

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<v Speaker 2>This is the word from the CP.

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<v Speaker 1>Canada women's coach Bev Prieseman, assistant coach Jasmine Mander, and

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<v Speaker 1>analyst Joseph Lombardi are serving one year fifis suspensions in

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<v Speaker 1>the wake of New Zealand's Olympic committee filing a complaint

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<v Speaker 1>with the IOC's Integrity Unit alleging drones were flown over

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<v Speaker 1>a pair of pre tournament practice sessions. Manda and Lombardi

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<v Speaker 1>were sent home immediately. Priestsmen initially removed yourself from coaching

840
00:44:25.519 --> 00:44:27.480
<v Speaker 1>the opening match, but left the team after allegations of

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<v Speaker 1>a wider culture of spying. FIFA subsequently banned all three

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<v Speaker 1>quote from taking part in any football related activity for

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00:44:33.840 --> 00:44:37.480
<v Speaker 1>a period of one year end quote. Canada Soccer announced

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00:44:37.519 --> 00:44:39.679
<v Speaker 1>plans for the independent problem in July twenty fourth, saying

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<v Speaker 1>it would address the circumstances of the current matter, and

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<v Speaker 1>more broadly, we'll seek to understand the historical culture of

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00:44:44.159 --> 00:44:47.360
<v Speaker 1>competitive ethics within all of our programs. The outcome of

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<v Speaker 1>this review will be shared publicly and corrective actions, if necessary,

849
00:44:50.639 --> 00:44:55.320
<v Speaker 1>will be taken. More than eight weeks later, Canada Soccer

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<v Speaker 1>is still waiting for information to share the up Priestman comma.

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<v Speaker 1>While suspended, Comma continues to get paid. Bev Priestman remains

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<v Speaker 1>a paid staff member of Canada Soccer, penning the conclusions

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<v Speaker 1>of the review, Canada Soccer said in a statement to

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<v Speaker 1>the Canadian Press July thirty one, Canada Soccer announced did

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<v Speaker 1>to retain Sony Reagenbogan from the law firm of Matthews,

856
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<v Speaker 1>Dinsdale and Clark to handle the review. And as we

857
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<v Speaker 1>wait for the review, Bev Priestman is still getting paid.

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<v Speaker 4>That came out a couple of days contending me to

859
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<v Speaker 4>get a paycheck.

860
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<v Speaker 1>And I'm guessing that basically this goes along the lines

861
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<v Speaker 1>of of you know, innocent until proven guilty or the

862
00:45:36.480 --> 00:45:39.559
<v Speaker 1>review is over, and then then we will decide that

863
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<v Speaker 1>we will not pay you any further.

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<v Speaker 2>So basically I think what will.

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<v Speaker 3>End up happening is I don't see how Bout Priestman

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<v Speaker 3>continues as head coach.

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<v Speaker 1>If I don't see how she continues as a paid

868
00:45:52.760 --> 00:45:56.960
<v Speaker 1>coach in any kind of shepherds space sucks for her.

869
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<v Speaker 3>Because it does feel like this was put in place

870
00:45:58.920 --> 00:46:01.400
<v Speaker 3>before she arrived, but she definitely continued it.

871
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<v Speaker 2>And how is John her still employed? I know review.

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<v Speaker 4>That.

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<v Speaker 3>That's the other thing that I do wonder what will

874
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<v Speaker 3>come from this is just how long this has been

875
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<v Speaker 3>going on because beb Priestman, though she's been in charge,

876
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<v Speaker 3>you know for uh four years now, she's got to

877
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<v Speaker 3>believe she was in charge for the twenty Yeah, she

878
00:46:23.719 --> 00:46:25.440
<v Speaker 3>was in charge for the Olympics in twenty twenty one.

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00:46:25.519 --> 00:46:26.880
<v Speaker 4>So three years, I guess total.

880
00:46:29.400 --> 00:46:34.360
<v Speaker 3>That that's enough time for you to put a stop

881
00:46:34.400 --> 00:46:38.199
<v Speaker 3>to something. But you continued it clearly. And again it

882
00:46:38.239 --> 00:46:41.599
<v Speaker 3>does have to color the fact that y'all won gold

883
00:46:42.159 --> 00:46:44.320
<v Speaker 3>in Tokyo. It just does. I hate to say it,

884
00:46:44.360 --> 00:46:47.079
<v Speaker 3>but it does. And I know, you know, vacated national

885
00:46:47.079 --> 00:46:50.800
<v Speaker 3>titles that don't matter. I still remember, you know, teams

886
00:46:50.840 --> 00:46:56.320
<v Speaker 3>winning national titles. But it does call in This calls

887
00:46:56.320 --> 00:46:58.480
<v Speaker 3>into question more than you know, Reggie Bush taking some

888
00:46:58.559 --> 00:46:59.559
<v Speaker 3>money for some things.

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<v Speaker 2>Mm hmm, just same.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, I thought it was an interesting newspeg that

891
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<v Speaker 1>came out before the weekend started. Abby is inviting you

892
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<v Speaker 1>outside the perimeter for the twos match tomorrow.

893
00:47:09.559 --> 00:47:12.519
<v Speaker 3>I mean the invitation has been extended, but that's as

894
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<v Speaker 3>far as it's going to go.

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00:47:13.800 --> 00:47:17.679
<v Speaker 2>Oh wow, all right, so let's see.

896
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<v Speaker 1>So is there anything else on your mind before the

897
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<v Speaker 1>rest of your day continues? Like I said, a priestman

898
00:47:22.760 --> 00:47:25.039
<v Speaker 1>thing was something like that. Oh yeah, that came up

899
00:47:25.079 --> 00:47:25.280
<v Speaker 1>to good.

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00:47:26.719 --> 00:47:31.639
<v Speaker 3>Nope, we got us men coming up in let's see

901
00:47:31.679 --> 00:47:37.000
<v Speaker 3>two weeks ten, the first Pochettino matches. He's done the

902
00:47:37.079 --> 00:47:41.360
<v Speaker 3>media tours. Everyone's liking what we're hearing. I do want

903
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<v Speaker 3>to point out, actually, John, I want to point out

904
00:47:44.599 --> 00:47:47.239
<v Speaker 3>in his introductory press conference he said we need to

905
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<v Speaker 3>believe we can win the World Cup, right, But then

906
00:47:50.320 --> 00:47:52.599
<v Speaker 3>I think it was I forget who he was on with,

907
00:47:53.039 --> 00:47:55.119
<v Speaker 3>did kind of not walk it back, but say, look,

908
00:47:55.119 --> 00:47:58.000
<v Speaker 3>our goal is a quarterfinal, and I think people kind

909
00:47:58.000 --> 00:47:59.239
<v Speaker 3>of were like, well he was already walking it back,

910
00:47:59.239 --> 00:47:59.719
<v Speaker 3>and it's like, no, no.

911
00:48:00.119 --> 00:48:04.559
<v Speaker 4>There are those are two different things, because.

912
00:48:05.960 --> 00:48:08.000
<v Speaker 3>You should believe we can win the World Cup and

913
00:48:08.039 --> 00:48:11.480
<v Speaker 3>go try to win the World Cup. But understand that, Look,

914
00:48:11.559 --> 00:48:14.840
<v Speaker 3>if we do this, we've done a good job. Right,

915
00:48:14.920 --> 00:48:18.159
<v Speaker 3>that is passing. But you want to get an A

916
00:48:18.280 --> 00:48:21.440
<v Speaker 3>on every project, right, that's the goal. Right, So an

917
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<v Speaker 3>A would be winning the World Cup, A C would

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<v Speaker 3>be okay, well make a quarterfinal or you know, maybe

919
00:48:26.320 --> 00:48:28.320
<v Speaker 3>more depending on Probably a quarterfinal might be a B.

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<v Speaker 2>At this point, I was going to say, is the quarterfinals?

921
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<v Speaker 3>And I mean literally, that's probably what it is, right,

922
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<v Speaker 3>But that if that's that's more like the benchmark, I

923
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<v Speaker 3>think is the better way to put it. Right, That

924
00:48:40.239 --> 00:48:42.880
<v Speaker 3>is what we're justifying. That's what we're measuring ourselves by.

925
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<v Speaker 3>If we don't reach that, then we have failed. Right,

926
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<v Speaker 3>that's what that is. But that doesn't mean you're not

927
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<v Speaker 3>trying to win the World Cup.

928
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<v Speaker 4>Because I got news for you.

929
00:48:50.039 --> 00:48:53.119
<v Speaker 3>To win the World Cup, you got to make the quarterfinals.

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<v Speaker 2>Last time I checked.

931
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<v Speaker 3>It, according to the brackets I've drawn up for turn

932
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<v Speaker 3>as I've hosted in tournaments I've played in. You know,

933
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<v Speaker 3>that's just how it works. So I think he is

934
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<v Speaker 3>still proving that the mentality needs to be I mean,

935
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<v Speaker 3>he talks about arrogance, you know, the right type of arrogance.

936
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<v Speaker 3>This is the mentality that we needed from Jurgen Klansman

937
00:49:18.480 --> 00:49:23.239
<v Speaker 3>that he didn't bring. He brought his own arrogance and

938
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<v Speaker 3>not any real structure behind it.

939
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<v Speaker 4>And hopefully Pachettino can.

940
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<v Speaker 3>Bring that level of competitiveness adding the structure of actually

941
00:49:32.239 --> 00:49:35.079
<v Speaker 3>playing good soccer, something that Jurgen Clansmen failed to do.

942
00:49:36.119 --> 00:49:38.760
<v Speaker 3>But it is shocking John that this is the first

943
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<v Speaker 3>ever US men's national team head coach from Latin America

944
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<v Speaker 3>when we've had, I mean, especially Argentinians like they've Argentina

945
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<v Speaker 3>produces great coaches.

946
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<v Speaker 2>M h.

947
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<v Speaker 4>Never gone there for a head coach anyway.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome to the twenty first century.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, welcome to the new as uh, as the Alec

950
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<v Speaker 1>Baldwin told Marco Ramius at the end of the hunt

951
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<v Speaker 1>for Red October as they're going into the harbor and Maine.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome to the new world.

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<v Speaker 4>Welcome to the new world. Yes, yes, so, well you

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<v Speaker 4>all enjoy your Monday.

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<v Speaker 2>All right? So what's what's up with the soccer for USP?

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<v Speaker 3>I think we're taking the week off and then we'll

957
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<v Speaker 3>probably come back next week when we get closer to.

958
00:50:23.760 --> 00:50:24.400
<v Speaker 4>Actual games.

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00:50:25.239 --> 00:50:27.320
<v Speaker 2>There you go, nothing's wrong with that, all right?

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<v Speaker 1>Then take the week off, enjoy your time, and know

961
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<v Speaker 1>that special people get special privileges, and.

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<v Speaker 4>Abby is special. But I'm not driving out to Kennesoft

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00:50:35.880 --> 00:50:36.039
<v Speaker 4>for you.

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<v Speaker 2>Abby.

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00:50:36.360 --> 00:50:38.719
<v Speaker 4>I'm sorry. You're you're wonderful, but I'm not doing that

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<v Speaker 4>on Tuesday night. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. That actually might

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<v Speaker 4>be referring tomorrow. We're going to see if that happens,

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<v Speaker 4>so that might be it.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, well, all right, be good.
