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<v Speaker 1>Get ready, eighth day of October twenty twenty four, allegedly

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<v Speaker 1>according to that thing we call a calendar, this the

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<v Speaker 1>O'Kelly effect, and you hearing it because you decided to

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<v Speaker 1>find it.

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<v Speaker 2>So appreciate you for tuning in at o'celly dot com

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<v Speaker 2>on the radio stream live all that good stuff. We

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<v Speaker 2>are an online radio stream where you might be hearing

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<v Speaker 2>this twenty four hours a day on replay and all

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<v Speaker 2>that good stuff. But as I speak to you live,

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<v Speaker 2>it's about ten minutes after eight pm Eastern in what

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<v Speaker 2>we used to call America on that eighth day that

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<v Speaker 2>tearsday Tuesday of the week. So there it is. There

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<v Speaker 2>it was, and that's what it is. Who do I

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<v Speaker 2>have with me tonight? Well, a guy that has earned

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<v Speaker 2>himself a nickname from last year's conference. Some people call

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<v Speaker 2>him a scooter Joe, and gee, I wonder why they

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<v Speaker 2>do that. Maybe I'll get into that in a minute.

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<v Speaker 2>But he's going to be part of the Lancer Conference.

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<v Speaker 2>Joe Borelli, of course connected to the Lone Gunman, not

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<v Speaker 2>so loan Gunman. Considering now there's two guys on there, well,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe is that the loan is the lone Gunman the

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<v Speaker 2>podcast or is it about the reference to Oswald or

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<v Speaker 2>is it all the above? I don't know. I gotta ask.

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<v Speaker 2>I got to ask our longtime friend over there what

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<v Speaker 2>this means. Now there's two guys. You can't be a

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<v Speaker 2>lone gunman. If there's two guys, maybe it's just me.

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<v Speaker 2>But anyway, Rob Clark, of course, who is for you?

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<v Speaker 3>Sir?

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<v Speaker 2>Excellent? We're gonna get there. Rob Clark, of course is

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<v Speaker 2>who I'm talking about. Who's been on many of the

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<v Speaker 2>Myths shows, been a guest on The Ocelli Effect before,

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<v Speaker 2>but today no Rob Clark, no Doug Campbell, no quick Hits,

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<v Speaker 2>no just Scooter Joe, Joe Borelli And again, as I said,

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<v Speaker 2>he presented at the sixtieth anniversary, the twenty seventh Lancer

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<v Speaker 2>Conference November in Dallas and all that, and he'll be

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<v Speaker 2>there this year at the twenty eighth, So he's going

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<v Speaker 2>to have to put up with me being the live MC.

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<v Speaker 2>And there you go. Although I'm not on the presenter list,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just the MC. And when you look at the

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<v Speaker 2>schedule you don't see my name, but that's okay. Anyway, Joe,

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<v Speaker 2>how you doing tonight? Before I get into what I

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<v Speaker 2>want to talk to you about. Jfkland, what is new,

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<v Speaker 2>what is hot and happening? And maybe what's not happening

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<v Speaker 2>so hot, But we'll see anyway, Joe, how are you doing.

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<v Speaker 3>I am doing well, sir, and it is great to

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<v Speaker 3>be back on the Achelli effect. We did have a

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<v Speaker 3>great time at Lancer twenty twenty three last November, which

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<v Speaker 3>is where I met you, and you were MCing then

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<v Speaker 3>as well, right, sir.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I was and doing like ten other things at

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<v Speaker 2>the same time, because every time I turned around something

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<v Speaker 2>needed to be done. At one point I was even

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<v Speaker 2>grabbing a table and hauling it over everybody's head and

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<v Speaker 2>running it to the stage for those other podcaster guys

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<v Speaker 2>from YouTube. But I don't think they're going to be

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<v Speaker 2>there this year. But I don't know if you'll.

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<v Speaker 3>Remember that, but I was ben getting to it later.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I was all over the place.

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<v Speaker 3>But well, you know what, I'm gonna push back on

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<v Speaker 3>something you said when you said I'm gonna have to

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<v Speaker 3>put up you with you this year, because I have

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<v Speaker 3>a completely different take. And you might be surprised by this.

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<v Speaker 3>You are kind of a guardian angel in a sense

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<v Speaker 3>because and I guess we can get into the scooter story.

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<v Speaker 3>I crashed a scooter on my way to get tobacco

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<v Speaker 3>as I was nervous before my Atlancer presentation, and Chuck

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<v Speaker 3>was the first person to put it together. He's like, wait,

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<v Speaker 3>Joe left on a scooter. He came back, he was

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<v Speaker 3>like rushed in the building. He didn't say hi to anyone.

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<v Speaker 3>And then you saw the scooter not even parked on

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<v Speaker 3>the side street, just like pushed over. And then later

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<v Speaker 3>in the Lancer, so like I was rushing back, I

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<v Speaker 3>danced the front desk to give me bandages, bandaged it up,

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<v Speaker 3>I changed it to my shirt, I did my Q

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<v Speaker 3>and A, and you were like, Joe, you're bleeding through

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<v Speaker 3>your shirt. And I didn't even notice that. And if

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<v Speaker 3>you noticed that, Chuck, it was probably pretty bad.

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<v Speaker 2>Well here's the thing, right, he's getting ready to go

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<v Speaker 2>on and I'm getting ready to introduce him. So I

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<v Speaker 2>take a look and I realized he's bleeding, and I'm like, yeah, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>I know why, but dude, you might want to get

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<v Speaker 2>a control of that before you go on stage.

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<v Speaker 3>It wasn't like bleeding profusely. It was like a couple

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<v Speaker 3>of red dots on like a button down shirt, so

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<v Speaker 3>it was like folded up, so it was like leaking

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<v Speaker 3>a little through it. So we just want to make

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<v Speaker 3>the audience give them all the facts that I wasn't

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<v Speaker 3>like bleeding out or anything, but I was definitely leaking

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<v Speaker 3>a little bit for sure.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, but it was what I was concerned about.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, my adrenaline was going. My first time presenting Rob

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<v Speaker 3>and I actually did a virtual presentation because he was

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<v Speaker 3>not there last year. I then did a Q and A,

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<v Speaker 3>and like my adrenaline was going, I was handing out

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<v Speaker 3>documents of the relevant ones from last year's presentation and

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<v Speaker 3>I had not even noticed, and you pointed it out

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<v Speaker 3>to me, so thank you, sir.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, and that's what I was actually worried about,

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<v Speaker 2>is like, look, he's running around trying to hand out,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, these things so people could follow along and

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<v Speaker 2>ask their questions and go through this whole thing because

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<v Speaker 2>they did, you know, meet the Martins and this whole

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<v Speaker 2>thing about all these guys named Martin in the case.

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<v Speaker 2>It was really cool, But I was worried that you

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<v Speaker 2>were adrenaline was going to get up, your heart was

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<v Speaker 2>going to start pumping and you were going to really

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<v Speaker 2>start to bleed a lot on stage. Not that you

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<v Speaker 2>were bleeding a lot beforehand, but if you got moving

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<v Speaker 2>around and you know, worked up, you might bleed a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>So you got to get a hold of that before

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<v Speaker 2>you go up there. That was my whole thing, And

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, you know, I wasn't going to make a

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<v Speaker 2>big deal out of it, but I didn't want you

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<v Speaker 2>to have that.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, I had gotten control of it before, but

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<v Speaker 3>it had like seeped through bandages a little bit. Well

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<v Speaker 3>that My other nickname is Joey Scars. Joey, I know

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<v Speaker 3>you like Joey Scooter. Joey Scars was my official The

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<v Speaker 3>Longe Coming podcast name. Nice and we even have some

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<v Speaker 3>silly merch on it, so it's funny.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh cood. It's actually more of a street level sounding

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<v Speaker 2>thing actually, but either way, actually Scooter joe would be

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<v Speaker 2>a thing that was.

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<v Speaker 3>That was the goal. Yeah, Amafio's type of name, right.

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<v Speaker 2>True enough, true enough. And I did know a guy

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<v Speaker 2>that was named something Scars. I'm not going to mention

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<v Speaker 2>his name because he didn't like the nickname, but people

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<v Speaker 2>knew him.

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<v Speaker 3>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>It was one of those deals, like people never called

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<v Speaker 2>al Capone's scarface to his face, that kind of thing.

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<v Speaker 2>So I did know a Jersey mob guy who was

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<v Speaker 2>a part of the Dicabo camp Conti family that was

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<v Speaker 2>known for scars, and he never liked it if people

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<v Speaker 2>mentioned it. So, you know, just a thing.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't mind. I mean, I don't know where his

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<v Speaker 3>cars were, minor like kind of on my arm, and

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<v Speaker 3>I've had a few before then, So yeah, that it

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<v Speaker 3>just lends credence to the nickname. But I think it's hilarious.

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<v Speaker 3>I love it, and like I told you, I think

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<v Speaker 3>I was on here in February last I will be

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<v Speaker 3>going back on the scooter this year now. My presentation

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<v Speaker 3>partner Doug Campbell said that's fine, but you can't do

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<v Speaker 3>it before our presentation.

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<v Speaker 2>Ah okay, you scared up and hurt myself again.

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<v Speaker 3>So not sure when the scooter ride will happen, but

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<v Speaker 3>it will be documented, videoed and put up I'm sure

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<v Speaker 3>on the long gumb and feed at other places.

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<v Speaker 2>Excellent. So we will see a scooter Joe on a

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<v Speaker 2>scooter on YouTube sometime after November. Excellent. Perfect.

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<v Speaker 3>So anyway, get the best, I mean, you can't love it.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, So let's let's get into the topic that that

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<v Speaker 2>that people do want to hear about. And I want

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<v Speaker 2>to first start with you know, last night, right, I

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<v Speaker 2>get a little notice that, hey, you know, did you

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<v Speaker 2>hear that there's going to be this thing with you know,

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<v Speaker 2>a prominent researcher, right, Jefferson Morley is holding a press conference.

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<v Speaker 2>He's gonna make some big announcement regarding the case. And

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<v Speaker 2>I said, oh, great, you know, and look, I've been

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<v Speaker 2>invited to a lot of press conferences. People don't know

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<v Speaker 2>it because I don't always stand up and ask a question,

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<v Speaker 2>but other people have noted that I've been invited to

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<v Speaker 2>press conferences, and they wonder why because they think I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not part of the press. But I've gone on you know,

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<v Speaker 2>like yeah, kind of sort of but virtually now, mostly

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<v Speaker 2>because they do these things via zoom and everything most

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<v Speaker 2>of the time. And last time, when the Mary Farrell

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<v Speaker 2>lawsuit was going on, they certainly invited me, but they

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<v Speaker 2>didn't invite me to this one. So I said, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>I guess I'll just have to wait for the substack tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 2>And this morning it came out, right, so, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>a big announcement here it is. We got a whistle

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<v Speaker 2>blower all these things, and I said, okay, and I

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<v Speaker 2>went and I read through an article about it first

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<v Speaker 2>by somebody else, and then realized I could actually access

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<v Speaker 2>because I'm not paying Morley to access his substack. I'm sorry,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I'm willing to buy his books, but I

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<v Speaker 2>don't want to do the substack thing. I can't afford

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<v Speaker 2>all this stuff. So bottom line is, I'm thinking, let

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<v Speaker 2>me read the article. I read that, and then I

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<v Speaker 2>found out I had access to Morley's substack for this

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<v Speaker 2>particular issue. So I went and read through it and everything.

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<v Speaker 2>And I know that a lot of people in the

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<v Speaker 2>community will follow stuff like this, will be on it

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<v Speaker 2>regardless of whether the press covers it or how they

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<v Speaker 2>cover it. So I know you had to have taken

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<v Speaker 2>a look at this stuff without me going in any

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<v Speaker 2>more detail. What were your thoughts about Morley and his

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<v Speaker 2>announcement and you know what was going on there today.

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<v Speaker 3>So I follow Jefferson Marley on Twitter. I've actually never

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<v Speaker 3>personally had any dialogue with him, but you know, I

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<v Speaker 3>definitely respect him and his work, and I think he's

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<v Speaker 3>been in the community for over thirty years and he's

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<v Speaker 3>definitely one of the most I don't want the famous, most,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, recognizable names when it comes to the JFK assassination,

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<v Speaker 3>mostly because he was a reporter for the Washington Post,

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<v Speaker 3>and you know he's written a few books, and you know,

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<v Speaker 3>loved all his works. So you know, I've been following

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<v Speaker 3>these tweets for I think like two or three days now,

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<v Speaker 3>and you know, it's it's interesting because you know, he

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<v Speaker 3>has tweets like this is the most significant JFK story.

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<v Speaker 3>And this is a quote I've ever done. It indicates

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<v Speaker 3>CIA is hiding records related to a still classified operation

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<v Speaker 3>involving Oswald them the photographs. But I you know, to

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<v Speaker 3>people like you and me, Chuck, that is a particular

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<v Speaker 3>news that the CIA is hiding records or that they

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<v Speaker 3>had tried to hinder the HCA or or the Garrison

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<v Speaker 3>investigation or looking to their jurors. I mean, this is

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<v Speaker 2>In fact, Jefferson Morley is a walking, talking exemple, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the exemplar if you will, of the hsca's interference, because

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<v Speaker 2>Brett Kavanaugh, Yeah, that's same. Brett Kavanaugh made the final

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<v Speaker 2>decision to kill Jefferson Morley's lawsuit in case you didn't

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<v Speaker 2>know it. And the deal is he was suing for George,

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<v Speaker 2>Joe and Edes records because the HSCA had been given

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<v Speaker 2>Joe and Edes as a liaison, okay, regarding the Kennedy

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<v Speaker 2>assassination in the nineteen seventies. And you know, Joe and

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<v Speaker 2>Ed's and the CIA both claimed he had no connection

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<v Speaker 2>that at the very least that is not true. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>ge Robert Blakey has certainly learned he was lied to

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<v Speaker 2>by the CIA regarding that as the head of the HSCA. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>and we know this, we know that, and Morley made

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<v Speaker 2>the records for years and years. I had him on

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<v Speaker 2>my show first time in twenty fourteen, when I barely

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<v Speaker 2>knew him, but I knew his work, and obviously I

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<v Speaker 2>want to give up. This is one of those guys

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<v Speaker 2>love Morley's work. I really do, you know, not saying

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<v Speaker 2>I agree with every single conclusion, etc. But it's great

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<v Speaker 2>because he's a legitimate reporter from the mainstream media who

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<v Speaker 2>uh to do the conspiracy thing. People like that, and

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<v Speaker 2>the vice president of the Mary Faraoll Foundation or you know,

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<v Speaker 2>vice chair whatever it is, second highest position of the

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<v Speaker 2>Mary Faraoll Foundation. Uh. He's a guy who's actively involved

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<v Speaker 2>man I do, despite the fact that him and I

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<v Speaker 2>show and didn't and all that, I'll forgive it. I

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<v Speaker 2>love you, Jeff, I really do. And I love the

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<v Speaker 2>work you do. And I appreciate JFK. Facts and I

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<v Speaker 2>appreciate your books, all of it. But yeah, I'm looking

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<v Speaker 2>at this going.

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<v Speaker 3>And Jane the Jane Roman lead with I believe he

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<v Speaker 3>I believe who was working in Angleton's office, who said

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<v Speaker 3>who confirmed they had the operation interest in Oswald. I

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<v Speaker 3>mean that's big, that's prob Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>No, exactly, groundbreaking stuff, right, go ahead, good.

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<v Speaker 3>No, No, I'm saying it's just great work.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, no, great work. And again I appreciate him.

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<v Speaker 2>But about this particular thing, Yeah, it's not a big

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<v Speaker 2>shocker to us that, gee, the CIA is holding stuff back. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>if there was a legitimately existent skiff, okay, that contained

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<v Speaker 2>a whole bunch of records that they were very concerned

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<v Speaker 2>about keeping classified, then that is also revelatory. But what

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<v Speaker 2>do we have here at the end of the day, right,

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<v Speaker 2>and there's this thing about a video case of some kind,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, some sort of video material that's there and

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<v Speaker 2>says it's Oswald in Mexico City. Now, we have been

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<v Speaker 2>given to understand that there are no pictures of Oswald

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<v Speaker 2>and Mexico City, even though Ed Lopez and Dan Hardaway

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<v Speaker 2>found out that there really should be, though there wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>because cameras weren't functioning, et cetera, et cetera, all kinds

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<v Speaker 2>of bs. Read the Lopez report, I'm not going to

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<v Speaker 2>recap it. You know, there's a lot of things that

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<v Speaker 2>went on here. So is their video exists in you know,

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<v Speaker 2>existing at some point or did it exist at some

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<v Speaker 2>point in the recent past with the Cia of Oswald

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<v Speaker 2>in Mexico City. Wouldn't that be an assassination record? Should

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<v Speaker 2>it not be part of the releases from the JFK

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<v Speaker 2>Records Act. All of these are pertinent and important questions.

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<v Speaker 2>But at the end of the day, right, what does

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<v Speaker 2>Jeff say he has and what do they say they

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<v Speaker 2>have altogether? Here? That is this tremendous announcement that needs

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<v Speaker 2>to be made. What do you think?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, you mentioned skiff earlier, and that is of course

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<v Speaker 3>a secure compartmentalized info facility for which Jeff alleged that

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<v Speaker 3>some documents related to the jfksssassination and some not really

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<v Speaker 3>the assassination, right, that were not filed under that. I

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<v Speaker 3>believe that's what he said. Had to do. There was

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<v Speaker 3>a box with Mexico City, either videos or pictures, and

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<v Speaker 3>chull correct me if I'm wrong, didn't you do? I

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<v Speaker 3>remember these things? A great episode recently on Mexico City

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<v Speaker 3>with Larry Hankong.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, I did an extensive episode with Larry on Mexico City.

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<v Speaker 2>I've done a couple in the past too regarding this,

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<v Speaker 2>because it's always fascinated me that there's this, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>handful of pictures and this guy who has been called

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<v Speaker 2>the mystery Man and all that, and he looks like

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<v Speaker 2>Alex Carros from Webster, you know, from the nineteen eighties

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<v Speaker 2>to me, you know, the guy who played Webster's adopted

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<v Speaker 2>father in the show. That's what he really looks like.

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<v Speaker 2>And he has been later identified as you know, possibly

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<v Speaker 2>a Soviet agent and etc. Et cetera. But this is

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<v Speaker 2>the weird thing for.

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<v Speaker 3>Mac Wallace's football teammate according to America's unsubstantiated stories.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well there's always that too, but Mac Wallace poof anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>all of that, but definitely not Lee Harvey Oswald. And

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<v Speaker 2>this was submitted as supposedly pictures of Oswald. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean there's a lot there. And you know, do

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<v Speaker 2>we have absolute proof of Oswald being in Mexico City.

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<v Speaker 2>I started out not knowing and then feeling like there

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<v Speaker 2>was no proof of him being there, you know, for

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<v Speaker 2>several years, and as I've dug deeper and deeper, it

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<v Speaker 2>seems like he must have been there. But there should

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<v Speaker 2>be more material that exists somewhere, and where is it. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>I can't answer that because we don't know where it

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<v Speaker 2>could be or would have went, or has it been destroyed,

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<v Speaker 2>et cetera, et cetera. So this is remarkable if some

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<v Speaker 2>sort of visual evidence exists right of walled in Mexico City.

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<v Speaker 2>But then again, is it just you know, like you said,

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<v Speaker 2>is it photographs? Is it video? Even the person who is,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, blowing the whistle here has stated they didn't

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<v Speaker 2>open the box, they didn't look in the box to

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<v Speaker 2>see what was in there, So we don't know even

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<v Speaker 2>from the hearsay now from this person, right, So I'm

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<v Speaker 2>kind of left, you know, feeling this wasn't such a

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<v Speaker 2>big announcement, you know what I mean. Maybe it's interesting,

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<v Speaker 2>but again, you know, we have a million stories in

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<v Speaker 2>the Naked City, and there's a lot of people who claim,

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<v Speaker 2>look I saw this, I saw that. And at the

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<v Speaker 2>end of the day, if all you have is the

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<v Speaker 2>testimony of one individual, and you don't have corroboration, you

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<v Speaker 2>don't have documentation, you don't have something else to go

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<v Speaker 2>along with that, then honestly, you can only weigh it

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<v Speaker 2>as hearsay. I mean, that's the way I look at it.

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<v Speaker 2>Other people take things more seriously and go with it. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>this person told me this, so it must be true.

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<v Speaker 2>And you start weighing people's hearsay against other people's hearsay.

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<v Speaker 2>What can you do at this point? Is there an

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<v Speaker 2>interesting passage in this whole discussion with morally regarding you know,

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<v Speaker 2>here's your non denial denial and how it is the

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<v Speaker 2>CIA words things. I think that's extremely instructive. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>where they're explaining, look, we have no knowledge of Now

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<v Speaker 2>that doesn't mean it doesn't exist, right, because they didn't

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<v Speaker 2>say explicitly it doesn't exist. They're saying I don't have

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<v Speaker 2>knowledge of that. We don't have knowledge of that, so

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<v Speaker 2>that if later it emerges that they do have that material,

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<v Speaker 2>well we just said we didn't have knowledge of it.

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<v Speaker 2>We didn't say it didn't exist, you see, But it's

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<v Speaker 2>meant to be taken as the denial that it exists.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's instructive. You got to be careful about how

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<v Speaker 2>these statements are worded, because I assure you there with precision.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, this isn't like Donald Trump running the CIA,

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<v Speaker 2>where the word salad is all over the place, and

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<v Speaker 2>you interpret it. Okay, this isn't Kamala Harris's weird vagaries.

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<v Speaker 2>This is very precise language that CIA people put out

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<v Speaker 2>when they allow a statement to come out. Okay, and

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<v Speaker 2>so you do have to recognize that. But at the

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<v Speaker 2>end of the day, once again, has anything moved forward?

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<v Speaker 2>Is there anything actually new in this announcement outside of

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<v Speaker 2>the naming of this alleged whistleblower who should have had

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<v Speaker 2>some sort of access here but again didn't open the box,

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't identify exactly what a lot of things are, et cetera, etc.

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<v Speaker 2>Just claims that there is a room, so to speak,

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<v Speaker 2>or a particular area of a facility dedicated to some

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<v Speaker 2>of these records. I'm not surprised by that either. But

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<v Speaker 2>that's about all I get out of this. So I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know how to feel. You know, I want Jeff

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<v Speaker 2>to come out with something that is a real bombshell,

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<v Speaker 2>But to me, it's not so much of a bombshell.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I'm just saying, maybe it's just me, Joe,

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<v Speaker 2>But look, I don't want to sit here in cast

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<v Speaker 2>dispersions or judgments on anything in any progress we can make.

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<v Speaker 2>It's all welcome at this point, which is why we're

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<v Speaker 2>going to Lancer and why it is we participate in

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<v Speaker 2>these things in my estimation anyway, and why it is

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<v Speaker 2>you're going there is to add to the you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the the knowledge database, so to speak, the collective knowledge

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<v Speaker 2>that can be accessed, to share it, to inform people

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<v Speaker 2>about things that you might have discovered on your own,

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<v Speaker 2>can begin again every single year to sort of assess

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<v Speaker 2>how far we've gotten, what have we learned that's new,

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<v Speaker 2>have we examined something that was mis examined or missing before,

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<v Speaker 2>et cetera, et cetera. So again participating in Lancer, which

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<v Speaker 2>November twenty second to the twenty fourth in Dallas, Texas.

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<v Speaker 2>And if you go to Assassinationconference dot com, just saying,

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<v Speaker 2>the conference in person or for a virtual ticket, you

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<v Speaker 2>there is discount tickets available. There is the information about

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<v Speaker 2>the hotel, which will be in the show notes with

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<v Speaker 2>this podcast as well. So I'll give you the phone

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<v Speaker 2>number for the hotel, the sign up for the website,

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<v Speaker 2>and everything you need to know to join us at

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<v Speaker 2>Lancer this year, either virtually or in person. But I

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<v Speaker 2>will be there in person, and so will Joe Borelli. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>back to the discussion, what is it that you're going

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<v Speaker 2>to throw at us this year? I mean, you and

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<v Speaker 3>Let me let me stop you there, because I want

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<v Speaker 3>to follow up on something you said about the morally

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<v Speaker 3>thing in Mexico City, and I think students of the

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<v Speaker 3>assassination know Mexico City is one of the most complex

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<v Speaker 3>areas of the assassination that you can kind of study.

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<v Speaker 3>It's all over the place. Was Oswald? There was? He

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<v Speaker 3>not there? Obviously the picture was not Oswalt. But we

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<v Speaker 3>know there were operations photographing the embassies everyone that came

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<v Speaker 3>into now, so why why wasn't this picture taken? We

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<v Speaker 3>know there were recordings wiretaps, but the voices was not Oswalt.

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<v Speaker 3>So it's something I have not completely made up my

416
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<v Speaker 3>mind yet about Chuck. I mean, and your episode gave

417
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<v Speaker 3>me a lot of things to think about actually actually

418
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<v Speaker 3>with Larry, and.

419
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<v Speaker 2>You know, I.

420
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<v Speaker 3>Have the feeling that there was this operations running within operations, right,

421
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<v Speaker 3>an OP hidden within an type of thing. And it's

422
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<v Speaker 3>just and I might have heard this on your episode,

423
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<v Speaker 3>but I kind of lean towards this now. Is because,

424
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<v Speaker 3>of course, the Warrant Commission would have loved to publish

425
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<v Speaker 3>a picture of Lee Harvey Oswell leaving the Russian Cuban

426
00:24:27.640 --> 00:24:31.440
<v Speaker 3>embassies right, It would have just helped their case so

427
00:24:31.599 --> 00:24:36.640
<v Speaker 3>much like there's no reason not to disclose that, of course,

428
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<v Speaker 3>other than to protect operations or protect personnel. And what

429
00:24:43.240 --> 00:24:47.680
<v Speaker 3>if Oswalt wasn't alone, Now, then that doesn't go towards

430
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<v Speaker 3>the loant narrative. And what if the person he was

431
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<v Speaker 3>with was someone Cia or whoever else didn't want to

432
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<v Speaker 3>disclose was with Oswalt's That's seems to be like where

433
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<v Speaker 3>I'm leaning towards because I am I do think he

434
00:25:05.079 --> 00:25:08.960
<v Speaker 3>was probably in Mexico, z And he was probably impersonated,

435
00:25:09.599 --> 00:25:13.000
<v Speaker 3>so that that screams to me ops within ops. And

436
00:25:14.240 --> 00:25:15.920
<v Speaker 3>you know, we could spend a long time on this.

437
00:25:16.039 --> 00:25:19.920
<v Speaker 3>I mean, your past episode on this went way deeper

438
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<v Speaker 3>than I'm going to but it just that's kind of

439
00:25:22.839 --> 00:25:29.359
<v Speaker 3>my inkling right now. But back to the Morley thing. Yeah,

440
00:25:29.440 --> 00:25:32.440
<v Speaker 3>I mean, when you have anonymous sources, it's never going

441
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<v Speaker 3>to sit well with the document researchers, like the serious

442
00:25:39.799 --> 00:25:43.559
<v Speaker 3>document researchers, right, if you can't produce a document and

443
00:25:43.640 --> 00:25:47.440
<v Speaker 3>it is hearsay, like you said, it's it's hearsay, it's

444
00:25:47.440 --> 00:25:51.720
<v Speaker 3>another story. It's very interesting and maybe there's more more

445
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<v Speaker 3>to come. But to your earlier point that there was

446
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<v Speaker 3>a press conference that mister Morley did early and it

447
00:26:00.519 --> 00:26:05.799
<v Speaker 3>was only for working journalists or media, and but for

448
00:26:05.799 --> 00:26:10.279
<v Speaker 3>for JFK researchers it wasn't. It wasn't for them. So

449
00:26:10.440 --> 00:26:13.880
<v Speaker 3>that makes me think it might be more of a

450
00:26:17.039 --> 00:26:20.880
<v Speaker 3>I don't know how to say this a mainstream topic

451
00:26:21.720 --> 00:26:31.160
<v Speaker 3>revelatory thing than a researcher, you know, a big, big

452
00:26:31.200 --> 00:26:36.240
<v Speaker 3>revelatory document that's coming out. But that's what he he

453
00:26:36.599 --> 00:26:41.000
<v Speaker 3>he described it as it was going to be. So

454
00:26:42.839 --> 00:26:46.559
<v Speaker 3>but if and I know he was on a few

455
00:26:47.039 --> 00:26:52.680
<v Speaker 3>shows today and I know some of the authors of

456
00:26:52.839 --> 00:26:56.960
<v Speaker 3>Chokeholds are going to be doing some media hits and

457
00:26:57.000 --> 00:27:00.960
<v Speaker 3>stuff like that. Anything that raised this is awareness on

458
00:27:01.000 --> 00:27:07.240
<v Speaker 3>this topic. And the documents, and the government both democratic

459
00:27:07.519 --> 00:27:17.680
<v Speaker 3>and Republican of not you know, doing the adhering to

460
00:27:17.759 --> 00:27:21.839
<v Speaker 3>the JFK Act in nineteen ninety two is all good

461
00:27:21.880 --> 00:27:24.319
<v Speaker 3>for me. So I'm not sure exactly how this is

462
00:27:24.359 --> 00:27:27.039
<v Speaker 3>going to play out. I'm hoping it's all good things.

463
00:27:27.079 --> 00:27:32.079
<v Speaker 3>Maybe there's more to come. Maybe if like a congressman

464
00:27:32.200 --> 00:27:34.839
<v Speaker 3>or a senator somewhere else gets involved, and maybe this

465
00:27:34.880 --> 00:27:37.759
<v Speaker 3>whistleblower can get protection and he comes out, maybe that

466
00:27:37.880 --> 00:27:42.079
<v Speaker 3>opens Pandora's spot and we get documents. As you know,

467
00:27:42.799 --> 00:27:46.119
<v Speaker 3>and I'm sure you know Trump and RFK Junior have

468
00:27:46.200 --> 00:27:51.400
<v Speaker 3>been talking about releasing the documents now. For of course,

469
00:27:52.319 --> 00:27:54.319
<v Speaker 3>Trump is now saying this for the second time after

470
00:27:54.359 --> 00:27:57.480
<v Speaker 3>he did the first time, and I got on Trump

471
00:27:58.160 --> 00:28:01.079
<v Speaker 3>for that on the Long Woman Podcas asked, and this

472
00:28:01.240 --> 00:28:03.640
<v Speaker 3>is not a pro or anti Trump thing, It's just

473
00:28:04.240 --> 00:28:05.799
<v Speaker 3>he said he was going to do it and he didn't.

474
00:28:07.079 --> 00:28:11.799
<v Speaker 3>I do. I do think he is very likely to

475
00:28:11.880 --> 00:28:15.279
<v Speaker 3>do it with r K on his kind of team, now,

476
00:28:16.559 --> 00:28:18.039
<v Speaker 3>you know, I don't. I think if you were to

477
00:28:18.079 --> 00:28:21.720
<v Speaker 3>say what percentage chance Kamali release it or what percent

478
00:28:21.920 --> 00:28:25.440
<v Speaker 3>has with Trump and RFK and some capacity to release it,

479
00:28:25.480 --> 00:28:30.799
<v Speaker 3>I don't think it's a conversation, right, So, I don't know.

480
00:28:31.079 --> 00:28:34.240
<v Speaker 3>I'm the timing is interesting because it's coming up a

481
00:28:34.400 --> 00:28:40.720
<v Speaker 3>lot in the in the campaigns, the JFK files, and

482
00:28:41.319 --> 00:28:44.680
<v Speaker 3>say anything that that brings awareness to to what we study,

483
00:28:45.119 --> 00:28:48.640
<v Speaker 3>I'm all down for. So I just kind of want

484
00:28:48.720 --> 00:28:51.079
<v Speaker 3>to like give that contrarian view there.

485
00:28:51.519 --> 00:28:55.000
<v Speaker 2>Right. Look, I'm more than happy if anybody comes out

486
00:28:55.039 --> 00:28:58.480
<v Speaker 2>and pushes this forward. If either one of the past

487
00:28:58.480 --> 00:29:02.200
<v Speaker 2>two sitting presidents had done the right thing, I would

488
00:29:02.200 --> 00:29:04.240
<v Speaker 2>have been pleased and I wouldn't have cared who did it.

489
00:29:05.079 --> 00:29:07.960
<v Speaker 2>You know. Of course, Trump could have done nothing instead

490
00:29:07.960 --> 00:29:12.759
<v Speaker 2>of bending to the whims of the of the intelligence community,

491
00:29:13.200 --> 00:29:17.000
<v Speaker 2>which is what happened in twenty seventeen. Okay, I mean

492
00:29:17.039 --> 00:29:19.000
<v Speaker 2>that's the truth of it. At the last minute, the

493
00:29:19.039 --> 00:29:21.000
<v Speaker 2>intelligence community came to him and said, look, we need

494
00:29:21.000 --> 00:29:23.039
<v Speaker 2>to hold onto these things for longer, even though we

495
00:29:23.119 --> 00:29:25.480
<v Speaker 2>knew there was twenty five years where these things, you know,

496
00:29:25.480 --> 00:29:28.400
<v Speaker 2>were sitting waiting to be released. Trump could have done

497
00:29:28.640 --> 00:29:31.640
<v Speaker 2>nothing and those things would have had to tumble out,

498
00:29:32.079 --> 00:29:37.039
<v Speaker 2>but he decided to do what they asked him to do. Okay, Fine,

499
00:29:37.240 --> 00:29:39.640
<v Speaker 2>Then Biden comes in and people go well, maybe Biden

500
00:29:39.720 --> 00:29:41.799
<v Speaker 2>coming in. I heard this in real time as it

501
00:29:41.839 --> 00:29:43.920
<v Speaker 2>was happening. Biden comes in, He's going to do it. Now,

502
00:29:44.279 --> 00:29:46.680
<v Speaker 2>well what does he do? He kicks the can so

503
00:29:46.759 --> 00:29:49.960
<v Speaker 2>far down the road. Now we have no idea when

504
00:29:50.000 --> 00:29:53.839
<v Speaker 2>it'll be revisited. So therefore the lawsuit came in. And

505
00:29:53.839 --> 00:29:57.000
<v Speaker 2>that's why the Biden administration was the one that got sued. Okay,

506
00:29:57.519 --> 00:29:59.920
<v Speaker 2>because both administrations were given a chance to do that.

507
00:30:00.680 --> 00:30:03.960
<v Speaker 2>And my wonder is just because RFK Junior is on

508
00:30:04.000 --> 00:30:07.079
<v Speaker 2>Trump's team now I think they're dangling it there as

509
00:30:07.079 --> 00:30:10.039
<v Speaker 2>an attractive thing for us. But the truth is, what

510
00:30:10.200 --> 00:30:13.440
<v Speaker 2>is going to change with the intelligence community between twenty

511
00:30:13.519 --> 00:30:18.160
<v Speaker 2>seventeen and now twenty twenty five, as far as you know,

512
00:30:19.079 --> 00:30:22.480
<v Speaker 2>what is really going to change that's relevant between that

513
00:30:22.640 --> 00:30:26.319
<v Speaker 2>seven year time period from then to now that's going

514
00:30:26.359 --> 00:30:28.799
<v Speaker 2>to allow this to be well, it's okay, now, let

515
00:30:28.880 --> 00:30:31.759
<v Speaker 2>it come out. Or is the intelligence community going to

516
00:30:31.880 --> 00:30:37.160
<v Speaker 2>again implore the Trump administration or the Harris administration either

517
00:30:37.200 --> 00:30:43.319
<v Speaker 2>one to again look hold off because still and I

518
00:30:43.359 --> 00:30:46.240
<v Speaker 2>don't think it's even about Oswalt. I think it's about

519
00:30:46.279 --> 00:30:50.640
<v Speaker 2>something connected to Oswald that might lead to bigger things

520
00:30:50.720 --> 00:30:53.960
<v Speaker 2>because The thing is, I don't think Oswald is the

521
00:30:54.039 --> 00:30:57.119
<v Speaker 2>key here, but he might have been in proximity to

522
00:30:57.160 --> 00:31:01.440
<v Speaker 2>something that they still I do not want to allow

523
00:31:01.680 --> 00:31:05.279
<v Speaker 2>outs because it would allow us to know something brand

524
00:31:05.359 --> 00:31:09.880
<v Speaker 2>new and the old theories, the old problems with whether

525
00:31:09.960 --> 00:31:12.240
<v Speaker 2>it is or isn't. And they're going to answer Jeff

526
00:31:12.279 --> 00:31:15.680
<v Speaker 2>Morley's appearances on these shows with probably the likes of

527
00:31:15.680 --> 00:31:18.480
<v Speaker 2>a Gerald Posner, who's gonna come out and guess what

528
00:31:18.680 --> 00:31:22.279
<v Speaker 2>make the kind of argument I did. We have hearsay here.

529
00:31:23.160 --> 00:31:27.759
<v Speaker 2>We don't have anything outside of hearsay. So what has

530
00:31:27.880 --> 00:31:30.960
<v Speaker 2>changed from the time I wrote my book Case Closed,

531
00:31:31.039 --> 00:31:34.759
<v Speaker 2>which you know, again I contend I'm not certain that

532
00:31:34.880 --> 00:31:38.799
<v Speaker 2>mister Posner wrote that book, But anyway, point is that

533
00:31:38.839 --> 00:31:41.400
<v Speaker 2>book came out with his name on it, and he's

534
00:31:41.480 --> 00:31:43.839
<v Speaker 2>later caught as a plagiarist and everything. But you know,

535
00:31:44.279 --> 00:31:49.359
<v Speaker 2>Enjoy Posnor appears on the MSM and always counters this stuff,

536
00:31:49.920 --> 00:31:53.039
<v Speaker 2>and only because Boogliosi's dead, because otherwise they would haul

537
00:31:53.160 --> 00:31:56.279
<v Speaker 2>him back out. I'm sure to say. Look, I solved

538
00:31:56.279 --> 00:31:59.680
<v Speaker 2>this case in my book already end a story, and

539
00:32:00.000 --> 00:32:02.079
<v Speaker 2>by the way, Oswald did it because he was a

540
00:32:02.079 --> 00:32:06.039
<v Speaker 2>Communist sympathizer blah blah blah blah blah blah blah, and

541
00:32:06.160 --> 00:32:08.920
<v Speaker 2>crazy kid Oswald wanted to make history because he was

542
00:32:08.960 --> 00:32:11.480
<v Speaker 2>a loser, and the loser wanted to make history. And

543
00:32:11.519 --> 00:32:14.119
<v Speaker 2>people don't want to believe a loser killed Kennedy and

544
00:32:14.160 --> 00:32:16.079
<v Speaker 2>Da dah da da da, and that's what they're gonna

545
00:32:16.119 --> 00:32:18.640
<v Speaker 2>do because that's what they've always done.

546
00:32:19.119 --> 00:32:23.480
<v Speaker 3>So well, that's interesting you say that, Chuck, because I

547
00:32:23.519 --> 00:32:25.440
<v Speaker 3>don't know what the reaction is going to be to

548
00:32:25.519 --> 00:32:31.400
<v Speaker 3>the story. And this is my conspiratorial mind thinking here, sure,

549
00:32:31.400 --> 00:32:35.799
<v Speaker 3>but if there was something to it, they might call

550
00:32:35.920 --> 00:32:41.119
<v Speaker 3>up Posner to try to, you know, say exactly what

551
00:32:41.119 --> 00:32:44.759
<v Speaker 3>what you just said. And it's interesting. It will be interesting,

552
00:32:44.839 --> 00:32:48.559
<v Speaker 3>I think, in the coming days to see how the

553
00:32:48.720 --> 00:32:50.920
<v Speaker 3>MSN or deep State or whatever you wanna call it

554
00:32:51.519 --> 00:32:53.480
<v Speaker 3>kind of counters it or if they pay no attention

555
00:32:53.519 --> 00:32:56.039
<v Speaker 3>to it. I have no idea, but I just thought

556
00:32:56.039 --> 00:32:57.119
<v Speaker 3>of that as you brought that up.

557
00:32:57.400 --> 00:32:59.720
<v Speaker 2>Well, you know, here's the thing. If they bring out

558
00:32:59.720 --> 00:33:03.000
<v Speaker 2>pow though, it's an indicator not that there's something to it,

559
00:33:03.039 --> 00:33:05.160
<v Speaker 2>but actually that there isn't. And I'll tell you why.

560
00:33:05.799 --> 00:33:09.799
<v Speaker 2>Because the last time, when they were hauling Posner out

561
00:33:09.839 --> 00:33:12.119
<v Speaker 2>here in uh I think it was. It was it

562
00:33:12.200 --> 00:33:14.200
<v Speaker 2>last year. I think it was last year. They hauled

563
00:33:14.240 --> 00:33:20.119
<v Speaker 2>him out because there were some revelations and there were

564
00:33:20.160 --> 00:33:23.000
<v Speaker 2>some documents that did come out, and there was some

565
00:33:23.039 --> 00:33:26.440
<v Speaker 2>stuff that was released in twenty seventeen that finally people understood,

566
00:33:26.759 --> 00:33:29.160
<v Speaker 2>and then there was some stuff released even last year,

567
00:33:29.400 --> 00:33:33.920
<v Speaker 2>even last year, right that people understood. And what happened

568
00:33:34.039 --> 00:33:36.559
<v Speaker 2>was Posner comes out and says, look, you know, he

569
00:33:36.720 --> 00:33:39.640
<v Speaker 2>was countering this whole thing about this document says there

570
00:33:39.720 --> 00:33:42.119
<v Speaker 2>might have been a shot from the front. And the

571
00:33:42.160 --> 00:33:44.160
<v Speaker 2>document that says there might have been a shot from

572
00:33:44.160 --> 00:33:47.720
<v Speaker 2>the front is from an unnamed source, okay, who makes

573
00:33:47.720 --> 00:33:50.359
<v Speaker 2>a claim. If you really dig into it, it's a

574
00:33:50.359 --> 00:33:52.519
<v Speaker 2>big old piece of here. Say that was given to

575
00:33:52.559 --> 00:33:56.000
<v Speaker 2>a report that the FBI had and they don't follow

576
00:33:56.039 --> 00:34:00.119
<v Speaker 2>through on it. The document trails off into nothing and

577
00:34:00.319 --> 00:34:04.240
<v Speaker 2>rightly goes out and says, this document doesn't show you anything,

578
00:34:04.279 --> 00:34:08.559
<v Speaker 2>but the MSN produced it. As is this real information

579
00:34:08.679 --> 00:34:12.119
<v Speaker 2>that could be proof of a conspiracy? Is it the

580
00:34:12.199 --> 00:34:15.320
<v Speaker 2>actual smoking gun? They were out there doing that on

581
00:34:15.559 --> 00:34:18.400
<v Speaker 2>the news and then they would bring out Posnor to

582
00:34:18.440 --> 00:34:22.239
<v Speaker 2>fill that slot again to make the same argument, So that.

583
00:34:22.280 --> 00:34:24.280
<v Speaker 3>For clicks, is that for clicks?

584
00:34:24.559 --> 00:34:27.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exactly. It was just for that. It was let's

585
00:34:27.920 --> 00:34:30.920
<v Speaker 2>take you down the road that goes nowhere, Joe, because

586
00:34:31.760 --> 00:34:33.800
<v Speaker 2>that's the best road for you to go down. Let's

587
00:34:33.800 --> 00:34:36.920
<v Speaker 2>go down the road that goes nowhere. I like how

588
00:34:36.920 --> 00:34:40.679
<v Speaker 2>they always pick apart the most ludicrous of things. They

589
00:34:40.760 --> 00:34:45.119
<v Speaker 2>never face down the real information on the MSM. They

590
00:34:45.280 --> 00:34:48.239
<v Speaker 2>always go after, well, there are people that say this,

591
00:34:48.440 --> 00:34:51.000
<v Speaker 2>there are people that say that the driver shot him.

592
00:34:51.480 --> 00:34:53.119
<v Speaker 2>You know, they'll go all the way back to that

593
00:34:54.360 --> 00:34:58.960
<v Speaker 2>and never address some other things. Like I've always said,

594
00:34:59.000 --> 00:35:02.159
<v Speaker 2>I'm waiting for Ceeing to have the guts to put

595
00:35:02.199 --> 00:35:05.480
<v Speaker 2>somebody on to say, you know this, Lady Sherry Feaster

596
00:35:05.679 --> 00:35:08.480
<v Speaker 2>was a blood spatter expert, went and did some work

597
00:35:08.559 --> 00:35:13.840
<v Speaker 2>here and nobody's disputed it yet, and it was scientifically analyzed,

598
00:35:13.920 --> 00:35:17.400
<v Speaker 2>and she realized that we have proof here in the

599
00:35:17.519 --> 00:35:21.280
<v Speaker 2>publicly observable records that there are shots from the front

600
00:35:22.960 --> 00:35:26.639
<v Speaker 2>and they will never face that because nobody in her field,

601
00:35:26.679 --> 00:35:32.320
<v Speaker 2>even after her death, has challenged her work. So that

602
00:35:32.519 --> 00:35:36.159
<v Speaker 2>should just stick in there and be a problem that

603
00:35:36.519 --> 00:35:38.760
<v Speaker 2>you know, explain this to me if you only have

604
00:35:38.840 --> 00:35:41.880
<v Speaker 2>a low nut mister Posner. But they don't do that.

605
00:35:42.760 --> 00:35:46.239
<v Speaker 2>They face down. Here's this half assed report. Here's this,

606
00:35:46.679 --> 00:35:49.639
<v Speaker 2>you know, only a partial thing where somebody has an

607
00:35:49.639 --> 00:35:53.039
<v Speaker 2>account that they think this happened, et cetera. And it

608
00:35:53.119 --> 00:35:55.679
<v Speaker 2>turns out that the hearsay is actually from somebody else's

609
00:35:55.679 --> 00:35:58.800
<v Speaker 2>here say they were told this when you actually read

610
00:35:58.840 --> 00:36:01.760
<v Speaker 2>the document with the MSM said oh, there might be

611
00:36:01.840 --> 00:36:05.159
<v Speaker 2>proof of shots from the front, when they know, damn well,

612
00:36:05.280 --> 00:36:07.239
<v Speaker 2>just read the rest of the document. It's no good.

613
00:36:07.599 --> 00:36:11.360
<v Speaker 2>So it's literally staged. You know, when when you're gonna

614
00:36:11.360 --> 00:36:13.480
<v Speaker 2>throw a fight, if it's going to be a boxing match,

615
00:36:14.039 --> 00:36:16.199
<v Speaker 2>you gotta show up and you gotta look like you

616
00:36:16.280 --> 00:36:20.159
<v Speaker 2>took some punches, so you know, you got to you

617
00:36:20.199 --> 00:36:22.400
<v Speaker 2>gotta land a few so that it looks like you're

618
00:36:22.400 --> 00:36:26.400
<v Speaker 2>trying to fight, and then you actually throw it. And

619
00:36:26.440 --> 00:36:29.320
<v Speaker 2>that's what they're doing in my estimation, and that's when

620
00:36:29.360 --> 00:36:32.440
<v Speaker 2>they and they obviously haul out Posner and make sure

621
00:36:32.480 --> 00:36:34.760
<v Speaker 2>he's read in once again, because he never knew anything

622
00:36:34.760 --> 00:36:36.400
<v Speaker 2>about the case. He didn't even know about stuff in

623
00:36:36.440 --> 00:36:38.360
<v Speaker 2>his own book when he was doing his book tour,

624
00:36:38.440 --> 00:36:41.920
<v Speaker 2>so give me a break. But you know, thirty years later,

625
00:36:42.039 --> 00:36:43.800
<v Speaker 2>let's bring him out. Oh yes, of course I know

626
00:36:43.880 --> 00:36:47.480
<v Speaker 2>all about this, Yeah, because somebody gave you exactly what

627
00:36:47.519 --> 00:36:50.039
<v Speaker 2>it was. It was like when the CIA briefed everybody

628
00:36:50.079 --> 00:36:52.920
<v Speaker 2>before the documents came out and got all the newspaper

629
00:36:53.000 --> 00:36:55.239
<v Speaker 2>people together and said, listen, there's gonna be a bunch

630
00:36:55.239 --> 00:36:57.119
<v Speaker 2>of stuff released, but I'm gonna explain to you what's

631
00:36:57.119 --> 00:36:59.519
<v Speaker 2>in it. Since you guys aren't gonna understand it, it's

632
00:36:59.519 --> 00:37:04.480
<v Speaker 2>no big deal. So every newspaper pretty much word for word,

633
00:37:04.480 --> 00:37:06.639
<v Speaker 2>went along with what the CIA told them to say,

634
00:37:06.920 --> 00:37:10.239
<v Speaker 2>including Tucker Carlson. Thank you very much, But you know

635
00:37:11.000 --> 00:37:16.119
<v Speaker 2>what can I say? Look, Tucker Carlson said that blah blah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

636
00:37:16.400 --> 00:37:18.960
<v Speaker 2>but he went out and said there was nothing to

637
00:37:19.000 --> 00:37:21.159
<v Speaker 2>it with the CIA and everything. And you know why,

638
00:37:21.159 --> 00:37:25.320
<v Speaker 2>because the CIA briefed all these people about listen, these documents.

639
00:37:25.360 --> 00:37:28.239
<v Speaker 2>You guys aren't going to understand them. It's difficult to read,

640
00:37:28.639 --> 00:37:30.639
<v Speaker 2>so let us explain to you what's in it. We're

641
00:37:30.639 --> 00:37:34.199
<v Speaker 2>the CIA, you can trust us. And they briefed them

642
00:37:34.320 --> 00:37:38.840
<v Speaker 2>before the documents were released, so you know, here we

643
00:37:38.880 --> 00:37:42.079
<v Speaker 2>go again. And I'm sure that there was a pre

644
00:37:42.159 --> 00:37:45.000
<v Speaker 2>briefing on any of this too. You know with the

645
00:37:45.039 --> 00:37:48.519
<v Speaker 2>agency anything that's about to come out, you know, thirty

646
00:37:48.599 --> 00:37:51.639
<v Speaker 2>days before. They'll tell the reporters for the Washington Post

647
00:37:51.679 --> 00:37:54.920
<v Speaker 2>and New York Post, you know, the everything, the Chicago

648
00:37:55.000 --> 00:37:58.920
<v Speaker 2>Tribune if it still exists, whatever, the mainstream electronic media.

649
00:37:59.000 --> 00:38:01.119
<v Speaker 2>They'll get them all together and say, listen, here's what's

650
00:38:01.159 --> 00:38:04.280
<v Speaker 2>actually in these two thousand documents. Don't worry, we're gonna

651
00:38:04.320 --> 00:38:06.679
<v Speaker 2>dump them. But it doesn't mean anything. If you want

652
00:38:06.679 --> 00:38:08.960
<v Speaker 2>to call attention to something, here's something you can look at.

653
00:38:09.239 --> 00:38:11.840
<v Speaker 2>And they're going to give them a guidebook because these

654
00:38:11.880 --> 00:38:14.280
<v Speaker 2>guys who have never gone into study on this stuff

655
00:38:14.280 --> 00:38:17.400
<v Speaker 2>and don't know really don't know anything about the case.

656
00:38:18.639 --> 00:38:22.360
<v Speaker 2>So what word are they going to take? You know, Well,

657
00:38:22.360 --> 00:38:25.039
<v Speaker 2>I got briefed by a CIA officer, Yeah you did,

658
00:38:25.840 --> 00:38:28.480
<v Speaker 2>and gee, I wonder if they're trying to protect not

659
00:38:28.519 --> 00:38:32.480
<v Speaker 2>only themselves but others. Anyway, back to it, and I

660
00:38:32.519 --> 00:38:34.599
<v Speaker 2>want to get to this before we run over an

661
00:38:34.599 --> 00:38:38.239
<v Speaker 2>hour talking here, you know, I want to get into

662
00:38:38.280 --> 00:38:40.039
<v Speaker 2>what it is you're going to be talking about. Give

663
00:38:40.119 --> 00:38:42.960
<v Speaker 2>us a hint, a preview, a little bit of a teaser,

664
00:38:43.000 --> 00:38:45.119
<v Speaker 2>if you will, about what you and Doug are going

665
00:38:45.199 --> 00:38:46.199
<v Speaker 2>to cover at the conference.

666
00:38:46.239 --> 00:38:52.719
<v Speaker 3>Please sure. Well, I'll just back up a little bit.

667
00:38:53.159 --> 00:38:57.719
<v Speaker 3>Last year, Rob Clark and I, who is my co host,

668
00:38:57.800 --> 00:39:01.519
<v Speaker 3>I'm and founder of the Longomer and Pot Cast, did

669
00:39:02.079 --> 00:39:06.719
<v Speaker 3>presentation on the coincidence of the name Martin, but specifically

670
00:39:07.960 --> 00:39:11.760
<v Speaker 3>Jay Martin coming up in the assassination. We found over

671
00:39:11.880 --> 00:39:18.320
<v Speaker 3>thirty instances of that, but it really evolved not into

672
00:39:19.119 --> 00:39:22.880
<v Speaker 3>whether it was a coincidence or an anomaly or whatever.

673
00:39:24.920 --> 00:39:28.159
<v Speaker 3>It evolved into a detailed study on a couple of

674
00:39:28.199 --> 00:39:31.480
<v Speaker 3>Martin's in which we took deeper than anyone had ever

675
00:39:31.559 --> 00:39:42.639
<v Speaker 3>had before. One being John Thomas Martin, the former minuteman

676
00:39:42.960 --> 00:39:45.599
<v Speaker 3>who seventeen year old kid at the time who had

677
00:39:45.639 --> 00:39:51.920
<v Speaker 3>took the famous film of Walker's House and the Lee

678
00:39:51.960 --> 00:39:56.480
<v Speaker 3>Harvey Oswalt friends on the same reel of film. It's

679
00:39:56.519 --> 00:40:02.559
<v Speaker 3>on the six Floor website. It's fascinating. And also James

680
00:40:02.639 --> 00:40:05.639
<v Speaker 3>Rover Martin, who Marine and I moved in with six

681
00:40:05.719 --> 00:40:10.280
<v Speaker 3>days after the assassination, and Rob and I had found

682
00:40:10.440 --> 00:40:14.239
<v Speaker 3>documents that no one else had found before that proved

683
00:40:14.239 --> 00:40:17.440
<v Speaker 3>that not only did James River Martin have a direct

684
00:40:17.519 --> 00:40:22.360
<v Speaker 3>line in his house which Marina moved into six days

685
00:40:22.360 --> 00:40:27.639
<v Speaker 3>after Lee was killed. I'm sorry about the assassination, but

686
00:40:27.880 --> 00:40:31.960
<v Speaker 3>also that his wife, Wanda, was under oral contract of

687
00:40:32.960 --> 00:40:37.199
<v Speaker 3>the CIA, and that was actually, I believe it was

688
00:40:37.199 --> 00:40:43.000
<v Speaker 3>the April twenty twenty three releases. As we were preparing

689
00:40:43.039 --> 00:40:47.760
<v Speaker 3>our Martin thing, I searched the new releases for Martin

690
00:40:47.760 --> 00:40:50.320
<v Speaker 3>It's name, and I found this, one of the Martins

691
00:40:50.320 --> 00:40:54.880
<v Speaker 3>we were studyings released document that his wife was under

692
00:40:54.960 --> 00:40:59.880
<v Speaker 3>oral contract on the CAA. And you know, that's that's

693
00:41:00.239 --> 00:41:04.559
<v Speaker 3>that's the bombshell. You know that that's that's very fascinating.

694
00:41:05.280 --> 00:41:07.800
<v Speaker 2>And you know, a weird thing came up after you

695
00:41:07.840 --> 00:41:10.199
<v Speaker 2>did your presentation too, And I don't know what you

696
00:41:10.199 --> 00:41:12.400
<v Speaker 2>ever did with this, I forget, but I sent you

697
00:41:12.880 --> 00:41:16.639
<v Speaker 2>a scan of a press photo I have, and I

698
00:41:16.719 --> 00:41:20.039
<v Speaker 2>have a little collection of stuff from different media outlets

699
00:41:20.840 --> 00:41:22.679
<v Speaker 2>over time, and I'm gonna bring it with me to

700
00:41:22.719 --> 00:41:25.320
<v Speaker 2>the conference. I'll probably just give it to you when

701
00:41:25.360 --> 00:41:29.800
<v Speaker 2>I see you. But this picture which claims to be

702
00:41:30.199 --> 00:41:35.679
<v Speaker 2>of James Morton, and there he is, and he's somehow

703
00:41:35.719 --> 00:41:39.960
<v Speaker 2>connected to the Kennedy assassination. But the image is weird

704
00:41:40.039 --> 00:41:42.480
<v Speaker 2>because it doesn't match up with any of the guys

705
00:41:42.840 --> 00:41:45.519
<v Speaker 2>that I think are supposed to be matching this up

706
00:41:45.559 --> 00:41:48.360
<v Speaker 2>to in the case. Did you ever take a look

707
00:41:48.360 --> 00:41:50.360
<v Speaker 2>at that or get into that any because I sent

708
00:41:50.440 --> 00:41:50.719
<v Speaker 2>you there?

709
00:41:50.719 --> 00:41:54.039
<v Speaker 3>You know what, do you remember that now that you

710
00:41:54.280 --> 00:41:58.119
<v Speaker 3>mentioned it? I can't. My memory is terrible. I can't

711
00:41:58.199 --> 00:42:01.039
<v Speaker 3>remember if I didn't any follow up rings a huge bell.

712
00:42:02.480 --> 00:42:04.920
<v Speaker 3>I do remember it didn't look like the James River

713
00:42:05.079 --> 00:42:07.400
<v Speaker 3>Martin pictures that we have. We have a picture of

714
00:42:07.480 --> 00:42:11.760
<v Speaker 3>him escorting Marina into the warrant commission, right, and a

715
00:42:11.800 --> 00:42:15.360
<v Speaker 3>couple other ones. But this, if my memory is correct,

716
00:42:15.719 --> 00:42:17.400
<v Speaker 3>did not look like him.

717
00:42:18.559 --> 00:42:20.199
<v Speaker 2>Well, I'm gonna bring it to you because it's either

718
00:42:20.239 --> 00:42:23.960
<v Speaker 2>a up I AP. I have a few from CBS television.

719
00:42:24.440 --> 00:42:26.920
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna bring a small collection of these things with

720
00:42:26.960 --> 00:42:28.960
<v Speaker 2>me to the conference because I know people will be

721
00:42:29.000 --> 00:42:32.159
<v Speaker 2>interested in these in these photos. But I'm gonna try

722
00:42:32.159 --> 00:42:35.360
<v Speaker 2>and give you that James Martin photo because I'd love

723
00:42:35.400 --> 00:42:37.679
<v Speaker 2>for you guys to follow up and tell me about

724
00:42:37.920 --> 00:42:40.760
<v Speaker 2>you know, who the hell this guy is, because it's weird.

725
00:42:40.880 --> 00:42:45.880
<v Speaker 2>He's actually giving testimony to something here in the descriptor.

726
00:42:45.960 --> 00:42:48.639
<v Speaker 2>You know, they put little like a paragraph under, under

727
00:42:48.800 --> 00:42:50.800
<v Speaker 2>or on the back of these photographs all the time

728
00:42:50.800 --> 00:42:54.320
<v Speaker 2>you've seen them. I mean, do you own any of these, like,

729
00:42:54.440 --> 00:42:58.880
<v Speaker 2>you know, archive photographs from any of the press agencies.

730
00:42:58.920 --> 00:43:00.920
<v Speaker 2>Do you have any of that stuff yourself?

731
00:43:02.039 --> 00:43:03.719
<v Speaker 3>A couple not many time.

732
00:43:03.920 --> 00:43:06.679
<v Speaker 2>Okay, well, I'm gonna bring this one because it's the

733
00:43:06.719 --> 00:43:08.920
<v Speaker 2>first time I've ever seen Martin show up in one,

734
00:43:09.559 --> 00:43:11.639
<v Speaker 2>and I just happened to notice it in my collection,

735
00:43:11.760 --> 00:43:13.960
<v Speaker 2>which is why I thought you guys would find it interesting.

736
00:43:14.000 --> 00:43:15.920
<v Speaker 2>Maybe you and Rob can do some follow up on

737
00:43:16.000 --> 00:43:18.400
<v Speaker 2>it on The Lone Gunman because I'd love to know,

738
00:43:18.599 --> 00:43:21.039
<v Speaker 2>just you know, a little shout out. I'd appreciate if

739
00:43:21.079 --> 00:43:23.840
<v Speaker 2>I give you the photo. You know, Kelley gave this

740
00:43:23.840 --> 00:43:24.280
<v Speaker 2>to us.

741
00:43:24.199 --> 00:43:26.079
<v Speaker 3>And you can come on. You can come on and

742
00:43:26.159 --> 00:43:27.480
<v Speaker 3>chat about it once we do it.

743
00:43:27.639 --> 00:43:30.039
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, definitely, so okay, But anyway, Yeah, you did this

744
00:43:30.079 --> 00:43:32.599
<v Speaker 2>whole thing on the Martins last year, so what's up

745
00:43:32.599 --> 00:43:33.599
<v Speaker 2>with this year? Yeah?

746
00:43:33.679 --> 00:43:38.440
<v Speaker 3>So yeah. So of course Rob Clark and Doug Campbell,

747
00:43:38.519 --> 00:43:42.480
<v Speaker 3>my partner for this year, are podcast partners as well

748
00:43:44.199 --> 00:43:49.480
<v Speaker 3>of the book Hits podcast right, which debut is about

749
00:43:49.480 --> 00:43:57.239
<v Speaker 3>once every month. And I'm you know, Doug and I

750
00:43:57.280 --> 00:43:59.320
<v Speaker 3>did not really plan this. It was kind of an

751
00:44:00.039 --> 00:44:05.000
<v Speaker 3>offhesis of of something we were looking into. I'm gonna

752
00:44:05.000 --> 00:44:06.159
<v Speaker 3>get to in a second, and.

753
00:44:09.039 --> 00:44:10.920
<v Speaker 2>Uh, you know, we.

754
00:44:12.880 --> 00:44:15.400
<v Speaker 3>You know, I just want to thank actually Kenneth and

755
00:44:15.440 --> 00:44:20.559
<v Speaker 3>Gabby because we were initially scheduled for Sunday, but I

756
00:44:20.599 --> 00:44:23.679
<v Speaker 3>am flying out Sunday, so they moved us to Saturday.

757
00:44:23.760 --> 00:44:27.960
<v Speaker 3>Before Bill Simpach and after Gail Nicks Jackson. Of course,

758
00:44:28.039 --> 00:44:33.480
<v Speaker 3>Doug Campbell wrote the chapter in Gail's book, Pieces of

759
00:44:33.480 --> 00:44:38.679
<v Speaker 3>the Puzzle, And you know, we're going to get into

760
00:44:39.079 --> 00:44:45.000
<v Speaker 3>Cuba Shocker and Cuban prisons.

761
00:44:45.000 --> 00:44:50.880
<v Speaker 4>MM and and and what effect.

762
00:44:50.559 --> 00:44:54.360
<v Speaker 3>That might have had on the jfk A. But you know,

763
00:44:54.400 --> 00:44:57.960
<v Speaker 3>we have a few characters we're going to explore, and

764
00:44:59.119 --> 00:45:02.480
<v Speaker 3>we are we're going to do it live, which you know,

765
00:45:02.599 --> 00:45:05.199
<v Speaker 3>Rob and I did it virtual this last year, as

766
00:45:05.199 --> 00:45:07.599
<v Speaker 3>in it was pre recorded, so it's going to be

767
00:45:07.599 --> 00:45:13.280
<v Speaker 3>a little different challenge. But we are just so excited because,

768
00:45:14.159 --> 00:45:16.920
<v Speaker 3>you know, we're going to get into a lot a

769
00:45:16.960 --> 00:45:20.719
<v Speaker 3>few characters that were in the prisons that I know

770
00:45:21.159 --> 00:45:24.599
<v Speaker 3>almost all of your listeners will recognize. I'm not going

771
00:45:24.599 --> 00:45:29.280
<v Speaker 3>to name them all, but they're they're going to be

772
00:45:29.400 --> 00:45:32.719
<v Speaker 3>very obvious and some that might not be as obvious.

773
00:45:32.920 --> 00:45:37.800
<v Speaker 3>And you know, we're gonna ex you know, there isn't

774
00:45:37.840 --> 00:45:45.199
<v Speaker 3>really a definitive timeline of of Cuban prisons and who

775
00:45:45.320 --> 00:45:49.480
<v Speaker 3>was held there and what their overlap was, right, what

776
00:45:49.599 --> 00:45:53.199
<v Speaker 3>these characters like, were they in the same prison, did

777
00:45:53.239 --> 00:45:58.920
<v Speaker 3>they share a cell, did they refer to their stays

778
00:45:59.519 --> 00:46:04.480
<v Speaker 3>or to each other and say they're hsea testimonies and

779
00:46:07.280 --> 00:46:12.960
<v Speaker 3>you know it's I'll give you one name, Santo Trafficante Junior.

780
00:46:13.119 --> 00:46:15.639
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, okay, that was the first name that popped in

781
00:46:15.719 --> 00:46:19.800
<v Speaker 2>my mind because I'm thinking about the the slew of

782
00:46:19.880 --> 00:46:27.320
<v Speaker 2>Italians that were in the prisons in Cuba for various reasons,

783
00:46:27.440 --> 00:46:31.320
<v Speaker 2>and Trapiccanti is one of the biggest names. So yeah,

784
00:46:31.320 --> 00:46:31.840
<v Speaker 2>there you go.

785
00:46:32.039 --> 00:46:37.440
<v Speaker 3>Yep. Yeah. And so when Pastro really took over in

786
00:46:38.039 --> 00:46:42.800
<v Speaker 3>like mid kind of nineteen fifty nine and like you know,

787
00:46:42.920 --> 00:46:49.920
<v Speaker 3>march into Cuba, he imprisoned a lot of mafioso's, right,

788
00:46:49.920 --> 00:46:50.440
<v Speaker 3>a lot.

789
00:46:50.280 --> 00:46:53.400
<v Speaker 2>Of them when he officially took the place on New

790
00:46:53.480 --> 00:46:58.039
<v Speaker 2>Year's Eve if I remember correctly, right, you know, very

791
00:46:58.119 --> 00:47:01.719
<v Speaker 2>shortly thereafter. I mean it's almost like, you know, the

792
00:47:02.000 --> 00:47:03.800
<v Speaker 2>reason why they played it out the way they did

793
00:47:03.800 --> 00:47:06.800
<v Speaker 2>in the movie The Godfather is to give Michael Corleone

794
00:47:06.800 --> 00:47:09.400
<v Speaker 2>the ability to get out of there, but not everybody

795
00:47:09.559 --> 00:47:15.440
<v Speaker 2>escaped via a private plane that night, just saying would

796
00:47:15.480 --> 00:47:18.519
<v Speaker 2>would you agree with that? Joe? Yes?

797
00:47:18.639 --> 00:47:20.760
<v Speaker 3>Yes, And you know a lot of the characters we're

798
00:47:20.760 --> 00:47:24.119
<v Speaker 3>going to talk about really were imprisoned I'm going to say,

799
00:47:24.280 --> 00:47:29.119
<v Speaker 3>like mid nineteen fifty nine over the summer, including soundtra

800
00:47:29.280 --> 00:47:35.719
<v Speaker 3>Tafa Conte. I don't want to give too much away.

801
00:47:36.559 --> 00:47:38.719
<v Speaker 3>Maybe someone by the name of John Martino.

802
00:47:40.039 --> 00:47:42.679
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and there were maybe some deals struck with some

803
00:47:43.079 --> 00:47:46.119
<v Speaker 2>other characters you might know who went down there to

804
00:47:46.199 --> 00:47:50.239
<v Speaker 2>assist in getting their releases as well. Is that correct, Joe?

805
00:47:50.280 --> 00:47:50.960
<v Speaker 2>Just in general?

806
00:47:51.440 --> 00:47:56.400
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, of course. Louis McWillie was one of the ones

807
00:47:56.440 --> 00:48:00.480
<v Speaker 3>who was alleged who admitted in his AHCA test that

808
00:48:00.599 --> 00:48:05.599
<v Speaker 3>he visited Persconia On Prison, which was the immigration center

809
00:48:05.639 --> 00:48:09.480
<v Speaker 3>where the mafiosas were held up, and he brought a

810
00:48:09.519 --> 00:48:13.559
<v Speaker 3>fellow with him. And this name will probably be familiar

811
00:48:13.599 --> 00:48:17.400
<v Speaker 3>to I hope everyone who's listening right now, and that

812
00:48:17.440 --> 00:48:20.199
<v Speaker 3>would be Jack Ruby.

813
00:48:20.400 --> 00:48:25.800
<v Speaker 2>Yes, sir so. And that is only the beginning actually

814
00:48:26.039 --> 00:48:29.039
<v Speaker 2>of what you could learn tracking this. So this will

815
00:48:29.119 --> 00:48:32.320
<v Speaker 2>be fascinating because to my memory, I mean, outside of

816
00:48:32.320 --> 00:48:35.079
<v Speaker 2>a few people have gone through, you know, some of

817
00:48:35.079 --> 00:48:38.599
<v Speaker 2>the adventures in Cuba. Joan Mellen comes to mind. You know,

818
00:48:38.719 --> 00:48:41.400
<v Speaker 2>she discussed some of this in one of those books.

819
00:48:41.440 --> 00:48:44.360
<v Speaker 2>It might have been The Great Game in Cuba where

820
00:48:44.400 --> 00:48:48.480
<v Speaker 2>she discussed part of this, but again, nobody's gone in depth.

821
00:48:49.559 --> 00:48:53.280
<v Speaker 2>And even if they did, they mentioned the mafia guys,

822
00:48:53.760 --> 00:48:57.119
<v Speaker 2>but there was more to it than just the mob guys.

823
00:48:58.679 --> 00:49:02.039
<v Speaker 3>There were the mercenaries, yeah, were I mean there, I mean,

824
00:49:02.360 --> 00:49:04.599
<v Speaker 3>and there are people that were just yeah, I mean

825
00:49:06.440 --> 00:49:12.480
<v Speaker 3>working on rigging slot machines for for uh Cuban casinos

826
00:49:12.519 --> 00:49:16.199
<v Speaker 3>that were then when cast Up took over, they were imprisoned.

827
00:49:16.320 --> 00:49:22.559
<v Speaker 3>I mean, you have such a big discrepancy from some

828
00:49:22.639 --> 00:49:27.519
<v Speaker 3>people like and we'll get into in our Lancer presentation

829
00:49:27.559 --> 00:49:30.320
<v Speaker 3>in the exact dates, but soundra traffic content. He spent

830
00:49:30.440 --> 00:49:33.280
<v Speaker 3>like two months in a Cuban prison, and even when

831
00:49:33.280 --> 00:49:36.039
<v Speaker 3>he was released and he had to go attend his

832
00:49:36.159 --> 00:49:39.800
<v Speaker 3>daughter's funeral which was in Cuba, like then he like

833
00:49:39.840 --> 00:49:41.519
<v Speaker 3>didn't want to go back to the US because he

834
00:49:41.599 --> 00:49:45.159
<v Speaker 3>had like wards on him. I mean, there, we're going

835
00:49:45.239 --> 00:49:49.039
<v Speaker 3>to give a really definitive timeline of all these characters

836
00:49:49.920 --> 00:49:54.119
<v Speaker 3>uh in this presentation, And you're right, Truck, there is

837
00:49:54.159 --> 00:49:56.960
<v Speaker 3>nothing about this. There's nothing about the overlap. There's nothing

838
00:49:57.039 --> 00:50:05.280
<v Speaker 3>about who like who and who acknowledged knowing the other,

839
00:50:06.199 --> 00:50:09.360
<v Speaker 3>and UH, it's going to be fascinating. I think it's

840
00:50:10.280 --> 00:50:14.079
<v Speaker 3>Uh it's still we're still working on it, of course,

841
00:50:14.519 --> 00:50:18.800
<v Speaker 3>UH being the the procrastinator that I am, Dougson, but

842
00:50:20.719 --> 00:50:23.960
<v Speaker 3>it's it's going to be really good. And I you know, UH,

843
00:50:24.360 --> 00:50:27.800
<v Speaker 3>people like David Boylan and Larry Hancock, who I know. Oh,

844
00:50:27.880 --> 00:50:30.800
<v Speaker 3>by the way, I want to say this, your episode

845
00:50:30.920 --> 00:50:35.320
<v Speaker 3>on what's the difference between an informant and UH an

846
00:50:35.360 --> 00:50:41.119
<v Speaker 3>agent and and what's a soft file that you did

847
00:50:41.119 --> 00:50:43.079
<v Speaker 3>a couple of months ago with them or a month

848
00:50:43.159 --> 00:50:47.760
<v Speaker 3>or two ago was was great because I just loved it.

849
00:50:49.920 --> 00:50:53.199
<v Speaker 3>And but that those people really know the most about

850
00:50:53.719 --> 00:50:58.320
<v Speaker 3>UH Cuban affairs and UH and you know we're consulting

851
00:50:58.360 --> 00:51:01.519
<v Speaker 3>with them, and UH, we hope it's going to be

852
00:51:01.519 --> 00:51:12.960
<v Speaker 3>a really enlightening and educational presentation forever for for maybe

853
00:51:13.039 --> 00:51:19.159
<v Speaker 3>more amateur researchers, for the most serious researchers, because even

854
00:51:20.199 --> 00:51:22.679
<v Speaker 3>I've been a lot of money chuck that the most

855
00:51:23.519 --> 00:51:27.239
<v Speaker 3>the top researchers can't put dates on when these people

856
00:51:27.280 --> 00:51:30.400
<v Speaker 3>were in when they got out, who they were in

857
00:51:30.440 --> 00:51:32.960
<v Speaker 3>there with they might have an idea, but.

858
00:51:34.840 --> 00:51:37.639
<v Speaker 2>You know, yeah, it would take me a while to

859
00:51:37.760 --> 00:51:41.159
<v Speaker 2>assemble a timeline like it would take me a few

860
00:51:41.159 --> 00:51:43.960
<v Speaker 2>months worth of work for sure. I don't have anything

861
00:51:44.039 --> 00:51:47.039
<v Speaker 2>like that at my fingertips or in my mind that

862
00:51:47.119 --> 00:51:49.159
<v Speaker 2>I could draw upon. And usually I'm pretty good with

863
00:51:49.239 --> 00:51:52.079
<v Speaker 2>this kind of stuff. But no, I don't think it's

864
00:51:52.119 --> 00:51:56.920
<v Speaker 2>ever actually been laid out with any sort of documentation,

865
00:51:57.159 --> 00:52:00.480
<v Speaker 2>with anything to really back it up again, And you know,

866
00:52:00.559 --> 00:52:03.480
<v Speaker 2>people connect a few pieces of hearsay together and drop

867
00:52:03.519 --> 00:52:07.280
<v Speaker 2>it normally that's what happens, honestly when it comes to

868
00:52:07.320 --> 00:52:11.000
<v Speaker 2>this issue. Uh So, no, I'm looking forward to this.

869
00:52:12.519 --> 00:52:16.320
<v Speaker 3>Because this will be and h no, I'm sorry, and

870
00:52:16.400 --> 00:52:19.400
<v Speaker 3>uh yeah, everything we have it is backed up by

871
00:52:19.480 --> 00:52:22.360
<v Speaker 3>documents with you know, none of it is going to

872
00:52:22.400 --> 00:52:26.519
<v Speaker 3>be here, say, and you know, we have a drop

873
00:52:26.559 --> 00:52:29.079
<v Speaker 3>offs full of documents that that will make public at

874
00:52:29.079 --> 00:52:33.559
<v Speaker 3>some point for interested researchers. But uh, you know it's

875
00:52:35.159 --> 00:52:37.840
<v Speaker 3>I guess at heart, I'm a document researcher. And I'm

876
00:52:37.880 --> 00:52:40.079
<v Speaker 3>going to credit this Hilarry Hancock when when I met

877
00:52:40.159 --> 00:52:43.920
<v Speaker 3>him last year, because you know, and I made a

878
00:52:44.000 --> 00:52:46.119
<v Speaker 3>joke about this a little lone gum and I was like, man,

879
00:52:47.039 --> 00:52:49.559
<v Speaker 3>I feel bad for Larry because, like, do you know

880
00:52:49.559 --> 00:52:52.840
<v Speaker 3>how many decades he said to deal with listening to

881
00:52:52.960 --> 00:52:56.800
<v Speaker 3>every crazy theory And these days it's like if you

882
00:52:56.840 --> 00:53:01.639
<v Speaker 3>don't have the documents, like, don't waste my time?

883
00:53:02.199 --> 00:53:08.079
<v Speaker 2>Well yeah, basically yeah, I mean, and look, you can't

884
00:53:08.119 --> 00:53:10.920
<v Speaker 2>you can't argue. I loved Larry's presentation, by the way,

885
00:53:11.079 --> 00:53:15.039
<v Speaker 2>uh last year, which this year, Larry will be there virtually. Uh,

886
00:53:15.119 --> 00:53:17.119
<v Speaker 2>David Boylen will be present. As a matter of fact,

887
00:53:17.159 --> 00:53:20.760
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna give you guys the whole schedule real fast. Uh. Friday,

888
00:53:20.840 --> 00:53:25.320
<v Speaker 2>you got Mike Swanson, Sarah Jordan Hines, Brian Edwards, Casey Quinlan,

889
00:53:25.840 --> 00:53:29.400
<v Speaker 2>and then there's a dinner in a presentation. Uh. On Saturday,

890
00:53:29.440 --> 00:53:31.880
<v Speaker 2>you got Dick Russell, will of Hallerin who you've heard

891
00:53:31.920 --> 00:53:35.159
<v Speaker 2>on this show. Jacob Hornberger, who you've heard on this show,

892
00:53:35.239 --> 00:53:38.559
<v Speaker 2>Bob Nelson, Uh, Paul blow who has been on this

893
00:53:38.639 --> 00:53:41.119
<v Speaker 2>show but not in a while, Jeff Meek, and David

894
00:53:41.119 --> 00:53:42.119
<v Speaker 2>Boylen altogether.

895
00:53:43.079 --> 00:53:43.480
<v Speaker 3>Uh.

896
00:53:43.559 --> 00:53:47.000
<v Speaker 2>Then you have uh, let's see Saturday continuing Carline Sabastano,

897
00:53:47.480 --> 00:53:50.199
<v Speaker 2>Gail Nick Jackson, Doug Campbell, and Joe BURRELLI as he

898
00:53:50.320 --> 00:53:54.639
<v Speaker 2>mentioned Bill Simpitch and then a banquet okay, and then

899
00:53:54.679 --> 00:54:00.320
<v Speaker 2>on Sunday, Gary Fanin, Daniel Sheehan, uh Andy Keel leave

900
00:54:00.400 --> 00:54:02.360
<v Speaker 2>is how you pronounce that we got a lunch break?

901
00:54:02.639 --> 00:54:06.440
<v Speaker 2>Then Fred Litt, when Alex Harris, okay, Larry Hancock and

902
00:54:06.519 --> 00:54:09.400
<v Speaker 2>David boy lyin. Although Larry will be there virtually and

903
00:54:09.480 --> 00:54:14.159
<v Speaker 2>David will be there in person, Matt Doutitt, Brent Holland,

904
00:54:14.719 --> 00:54:18.159
<v Speaker 2>Robert Groden, Janet Groden and Paul Blau will close it

905
00:54:19.079 --> 00:54:21.480
<v Speaker 2>on Sunday, just to let you know. That's the total

906
00:54:21.519 --> 00:54:24.960
<v Speaker 2>schedule as it stands right now. But Larry'll be there

907
00:54:25.039 --> 00:54:27.400
<v Speaker 2>virtually this year, kind of like what you guys did

908
00:54:27.880 --> 00:54:30.280
<v Speaker 2>when Rob did virtual and you were there in person.

909
00:54:31.159 --> 00:54:34.519
<v Speaker 2>Larry'll be doing that with David boy Lin, so and

910
00:54:34.599 --> 00:54:36.480
<v Speaker 2>that ought to be interesting. I don't even have a

911
00:54:36.480 --> 00:54:40.159
<v Speaker 2>preview on their presentation actually, although I think he's gonna

912
00:54:40.159 --> 00:54:43.440
<v Speaker 2>have to talk about the Oswald puzzle pieces because the

913
00:54:43.440 --> 00:54:46.400
<v Speaker 2>Oswald puzzle is out for pre order now, as I

914
00:54:47.239 --> 00:54:49.920
<v Speaker 2>let you guys know last week on the show with Larry.

915
00:54:50.639 --> 00:54:53.440
<v Speaker 2>So anyway, I'm looking forward to this man. This is

916
00:54:53.480 --> 00:54:57.639
<v Speaker 2>gonna be really good and it'll be a unique piece

917
00:54:57.639 --> 00:55:00.039
<v Speaker 2>of work, so you know, and I don't say that

918
00:55:00.039 --> 00:55:02.559
<v Speaker 2>that often, to be honest with you, a lot of things,

919
00:55:02.559 --> 00:55:08.519
<v Speaker 2>it's just we're rehashing something, We're going back over something. Okay,

920
00:55:08.559 --> 00:55:11.039
<v Speaker 2>you think you can find something that hasn't already been found,

921
00:55:11.079 --> 00:55:16.519
<v Speaker 2>maybe you can. Okay, great, But frankly, this is unique.

922
00:55:17.159 --> 00:55:19.559
<v Speaker 2>So I really do look forward to you guys doing

923
00:55:19.599 --> 00:55:23.880
<v Speaker 2>this and you're gonna have handouts this time too.

924
00:55:23.079 --> 00:55:29.599
<v Speaker 3>Or what well, I mean, I'm not sure what the

925
00:55:30.320 --> 00:55:33.119
<v Speaker 3>audio visual or the visual setup is going to be

926
00:55:33.199 --> 00:55:37.599
<v Speaker 3>this year at the Marriott, so I can't say. Last year,

927
00:55:37.800 --> 00:55:42.000
<v Speaker 3>I did kind of like an audible and realized that

928
00:55:42.079 --> 00:55:45.400
<v Speaker 3>some of the people towards the back wouldn't see because

929
00:55:45.400 --> 00:55:49.480
<v Speaker 3>I didn't blow up the documents enough the specifics that

930
00:55:49.519 --> 00:55:52.880
<v Speaker 3>I want them to see. That I and shout out

931
00:55:52.920 --> 00:55:57.320
<v Speaker 3>to the Lorenzo Hotel for accommodating me. They printed out

932
00:55:57.360 --> 00:56:03.679
<v Speaker 3>like thirty document for thirty copies of four different documents

933
00:56:03.760 --> 00:56:06.400
<v Speaker 3>like one twenty. It didn't charge me a cent and

934
00:56:06.599 --> 00:56:10.599
<v Speaker 3>also gave me advantages after my scooter falls, So nice

935
00:56:10.639 --> 00:56:10.880
<v Speaker 3>to you.

936
00:56:11.199 --> 00:56:16.760
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I'm hoping, I'm hoping we won't have to print

937
00:56:16.800 --> 00:56:23.000
<v Speaker 4>out documents for this, but you know, we we we

938
00:56:23.119 --> 00:56:25.440
<v Speaker 4>take it as it goes, you know, it depends.

939
00:56:25.920 --> 00:56:30.480
<v Speaker 3>But I can't wait, Chuck, I mean, I can't wait

940
00:56:30.480 --> 00:56:33.400
<v Speaker 3>for you to MC. I know I've been talking to Alex, Harris,

941
00:56:35.440 --> 00:56:39.159
<v Speaker 3>Kenneth and Gail and you know we're going to be

942
00:56:39.199 --> 00:56:44.400
<v Speaker 3>following Gail and it's just a great spot for us,

943
00:56:45.840 --> 00:56:49.960
<v Speaker 3>the Lone Gunman, the Dallas Action which is Dougs podcast

944
00:56:50.000 --> 00:56:54.039
<v Speaker 3>and Quick Hits and yeah, we're hoping we can make

945
00:56:54.079 --> 00:56:57.280
<v Speaker 3>it a really fascinating presentation. And the great thing about

946
00:56:57.320 --> 00:57:00.519
<v Speaker 3>it is Bill Simpach is a real expert on this

947
00:57:00.679 --> 00:57:03.400
<v Speaker 3>topic and he's going to be there in person presenting

948
00:57:03.440 --> 00:57:06.000
<v Speaker 3>after us. So we're hoping. I have a little Q

949
00:57:06.159 --> 00:57:10.239
<v Speaker 3>and A. So I know Larry is moderating the Facebook group.

950
00:57:10.639 --> 00:57:12.440
<v Speaker 3>I was emailing with him this week. I think he

951
00:57:12.519 --> 00:57:15.800
<v Speaker 3>told me so maybe he could submit a question and

952
00:57:16.480 --> 00:57:18.840
<v Speaker 3>Builk and chime in in person and we can just

953
00:57:18.880 --> 00:57:21.719
<v Speaker 3>have a really great conversation. And that's what it's about.

954
00:57:21.880 --> 00:57:26.039
<v Speaker 3>And that's why I think Rob and I are are

955
00:57:26.719 --> 00:57:29.800
<v Speaker 3>our to our horns, but just are really good because

956
00:57:29.920 --> 00:57:33.800
<v Speaker 3>like we really don't have a agenda here right, a

957
00:57:33.840 --> 00:57:38.119
<v Speaker 3>certain faction or element, like we just kind of follow

958
00:57:38.159 --> 00:57:41.400
<v Speaker 3>the fact, same thing for Doug and I know with

959
00:57:41.880 --> 00:57:47.000
<v Speaker 3>a lot of people and the Oswald puzzle. And I

960
00:57:49.000 --> 00:57:52.400
<v Speaker 3>hope that some of the help I gave Larry earlier

961
00:57:52.400 --> 00:57:54.840
<v Speaker 3>in this year makes it through editing and into the book,

962
00:57:54.880 --> 00:57:57.519
<v Speaker 3>because that would be really cool. I already gave some

963
00:57:57.639 --> 00:58:00.880
<v Speaker 3>hints about what those could be earlier in theisode, but uh,

964
00:58:02.239 --> 00:58:05.960
<v Speaker 3>you know, I'm last year. I didn't mean a researcher.

965
00:58:06.079 --> 00:58:10.280
<v Speaker 3>Even if we completely disagreed on everything, that wasn't completely

966
00:58:10.400 --> 00:58:13.440
<v Speaker 3>nice to me. And and that's just the vibes Lancer

967
00:58:13.599 --> 00:58:15.239
<v Speaker 3>and it's great. And I know there's a couple of

968
00:58:15.320 --> 00:58:19.840
<v Speaker 3>conferences more like you know j the Very Baker and

969
00:58:19.920 --> 00:58:23.440
<v Speaker 3>some other conference, but like Lancer is the best by far,

970
00:58:24.079 --> 00:58:27.960
<v Speaker 3>and I can't wait to be there. I can't wait

971
00:58:28.000 --> 00:58:30.719
<v Speaker 3>to see you again, mister Chuck. I hope you can

972
00:58:30.760 --> 00:58:35.480
<v Speaker 3>be my spotter and fill me when I uh, when

973
00:58:35.519 --> 00:58:38.559
<v Speaker 3>I go with my scooter conkering mission there.

974
00:58:38.719 --> 00:58:41.400
<v Speaker 2>Well, look, any anything I can do, I'll actually have

975
00:58:41.559 --> 00:58:44.360
<v Speaker 2>missus O with me and and Frankie, so I'll have

976
00:58:44.400 --> 00:58:46.400
<v Speaker 2>a couple of extra pairs of hands to do a

977
00:58:46.400 --> 00:58:49.119
<v Speaker 2>few things. So we'll get it done one way or another.

978
00:58:50.360 --> 00:58:53.039
<v Speaker 2>And it's it's gonna be a good time. So I

979
00:58:53.119 --> 00:58:55.760
<v Speaker 2>definitely urge people to get this, to get in on it.

980
00:58:56.199 --> 00:58:58.639
<v Speaker 2>There's a graphic out there, it's kind of funny. One

981
00:58:58.639 --> 00:59:02.559
<v Speaker 2>of the graphics has you, Me, Doug and Brent Holland

982
00:59:02.599 --> 00:59:07.360
<v Speaker 2>on it. That's an interesting little graphic out there. And

983
00:59:07.320 --> 00:59:10.599
<v Speaker 2>there's some other schedules and things out there. But I've

984
00:59:10.599 --> 00:59:12.840
<v Speaker 2>been trying to share this stuff on social media, and

985
00:59:12.880 --> 00:59:16.000
<v Speaker 2>I really hope that you know that anybody listening is

986
00:59:16.000 --> 00:59:18.559
<v Speaker 2>going to participate. Like I said, you can get online

987
00:59:18.679 --> 00:59:24.119
<v Speaker 2>and participate virtually. Assassinationconference dot com. You sign up over

988
00:59:24.119 --> 00:59:26.800
<v Speaker 2>there and if you want ten percent off and show

989
00:59:26.840 --> 00:59:29.960
<v Speaker 2>them that you're supporting my show, Ocelly ten is the

990
00:59:30.760 --> 00:59:32.639
<v Speaker 2>is the code you can use and you get ten

991
00:59:32.639 --> 00:59:35.760
<v Speaker 2>percent off. More than happy to get a discount for

992
00:59:35.800 --> 00:59:39.960
<v Speaker 2>anybody on anything, but whether you're going there virtually or not,

993
00:59:40.159 --> 00:59:44.039
<v Speaker 2>I appreciate it anyways. So Joe, in closing though, why

994
00:59:44.079 --> 00:59:46.840
<v Speaker 2>don't you tell people where they can find the Loan Gunman.

995
00:59:46.920 --> 00:59:50.639
<v Speaker 2>Of course, there's the YouTube channel now, but you guys,

996
00:59:50.679 --> 00:59:53.119
<v Speaker 2>of course are out there in your podcast form, your

997
00:59:53.159 --> 00:59:56.400
<v Speaker 2>regular podcast form or anything else you want to go

998
00:59:56.440 --> 00:59:59.440
<v Speaker 2>ahead and plug, go right ahead, and we'll close it

999
00:59:59.480 --> 01:00:02.239
<v Speaker 2>out now as we've been at it for about an hour,

1000
01:00:02.840 --> 01:00:05.760
<v Speaker 2>which is good enough, I think, and I'm looking forward

1001
01:00:05.760 --> 01:00:06.239
<v Speaker 2>with this too.

1002
01:00:06.400 --> 01:00:12.760
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I'm surprised. Usually we go on tangents and it's

1003
01:00:12.840 --> 01:00:18.559
<v Speaker 3>much longer. But yes, sir, The Lone Gunman Podcast l

1004
01:00:18.679 --> 01:00:25.039
<v Speaker 3>O n E. Gunman Podcast on YouTube dot com and

1005
01:00:25.480 --> 01:00:29.559
<v Speaker 3>Twitter and spreaker and all their Apple podcasts, all of

1006
01:00:29.559 --> 01:00:36.840
<v Speaker 3>their podcast platforms. We go live every seven pm Eastern

1007
01:00:38.079 --> 01:00:41.639
<v Speaker 3>every Friday night. I know you have a show on

1008
01:00:42.039 --> 01:00:46.400
<v Speaker 3>Friday Night Live as well, so for o Chelly listeners,

1009
01:00:46.679 --> 01:00:49.440
<v Speaker 3>check us out on the replay of course, right.

1010
01:00:49.880 --> 01:00:52.519
<v Speaker 2>Well, either that or tune in over there at seven

1011
01:00:52.559 --> 01:00:55.280
<v Speaker 2>o'clock and then come on over before I'm done at ten,

1012
01:00:55.480 --> 01:00:57.559
<v Speaker 2>and you can call in and tell me about what

1013
01:00:57.599 --> 01:01:00.400
<v Speaker 2>you heard on the Lone Gunman if you want, because

1014
01:01:00.440 --> 01:01:02.800
<v Speaker 2>I'm more than happy if anybody wants to pop on

1015
01:01:02.840 --> 01:01:05.559
<v Speaker 2>there and even promote other Sometimes people come on and

1016
01:01:05.559 --> 01:01:08.280
<v Speaker 2>promote other people's podcasts. I like it better if they're

1017
01:01:08.280 --> 01:01:10.679
<v Speaker 2>coming on to talk about their own. But you know

1018
01:01:11.440 --> 01:01:14.239
<v Speaker 2>that was happy. I had Gail nick Jackson on my

1019
01:01:14.320 --> 01:01:16.480
<v Speaker 2>Friday night call in a couple of weeks, like maybe

1020
01:01:16.559 --> 01:01:19.480
<v Speaker 2>last month and I loved that because it was right

1021
01:01:19.519 --> 01:01:22.199
<v Speaker 2>after I had just been asking Gail, you got to

1022
01:01:22.199 --> 01:01:24.800
<v Speaker 2>come to the conference this year, you know, blah blah blah.

1023
01:01:24.840 --> 01:01:26.559
<v Speaker 2>And the next thing I know is she called in

1024
01:01:26.599 --> 01:01:28.960
<v Speaker 2>to let me know that they had put her on

1025
01:01:29.000 --> 01:01:31.039
<v Speaker 2>the schedule, and I was like, oh, perfect, because I

1026
01:01:31.079 --> 01:01:33.800
<v Speaker 2>wanted her there this year. And I also made sure

1027
01:01:33.800 --> 01:01:37.440
<v Speaker 2>to get Jacob Hornberger on there as well as a speaker.

1028
01:01:38.239 --> 01:01:40.880
<v Speaker 2>And I'm really really grateful that Mike Swanson is actually

1029
01:01:40.960 --> 01:01:43.960
<v Speaker 2>leading off the conference. So it's going to be a

1030
01:01:43.960 --> 01:01:47.559
<v Speaker 2>good one and really interesting. I mean, especially if we

1031
01:01:47.599 --> 01:01:50.039
<v Speaker 2>get some unique stuff like Joe and Doug are gonna do.

1032
01:01:50.559 --> 01:01:53.519
<v Speaker 2>But Lone Gunman you can get on most podcast platforms,

1033
01:01:53.639 --> 01:01:56.159
<v Speaker 2>especially on YouTube. Go ahead and search it out. But

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<v Speaker 2>you're live on YouTube on Friday nights or what.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, So we go live every every Friday night at

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<v Speaker 3>seven pm Eastern, and we've been doing that every week

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<v Speaker 3>since Lancer last year or I guess the twenty second

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<v Speaker 3>was like a Monday, right so ever since then. And listen,

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<v Speaker 3>it's a grind to come up with interesting topics every

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<v Speaker 3>week because you know, a lot of our audiences I'm

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<v Speaker 3>sure like yours, like very having a lot of knowledge

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<v Speaker 3>on the JFK assassination, so you can't just recap things

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<v Speaker 3>every week and expect to get attention. So we were

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<v Speaker 3>always trying to come up with with new topics, new ideas,

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<v Speaker 3>new guests. We hope to have a couple of answer

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<v Speaker 3>guests on as well in the coming weeks and after Lancer,

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<v Speaker 3>And yeah, I mean, it's it's just I mean, Lancer

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<v Speaker 3>is just a great networking event. I mean I would

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<v Speaker 3>have never met Larry. Larry, for example, I would have

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<v Speaker 3>never sat down with him for over an hour on

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<v Speaker 3>Sunday morning and showed him the documents I found. And

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<v Speaker 3>you know he's blown away by a couple of them.

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<v Speaker 3>And you know that that would have never happened if

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<v Speaker 3>I was in Dallas. And I might be newer to

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<v Speaker 3>this community than most. You know, Rob's been grinding away

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<v Speaker 3>at the Long Gun in for over ten years, like

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<v Speaker 3>I know You've been grinding away a long time. So

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<v Speaker 3>I'm just happy to be a part of the community.

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<v Speaker 2>You know.

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<v Speaker 3>I respect everyone that that does good research in it.

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<v Speaker 3>I respect the friends I made, like like you Chuck

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<v Speaker 3>last Lancer, like Kenneth, like Alex Harris, like Doug Hampbell.

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<v Speaker 3>I met him in person for the first time. It's

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<v Speaker 3>just it's a great community and by far the best

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<v Speaker 3>conference out of the three. I might be biased, but

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<v Speaker 3>I can't wait to see you again and to see

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<v Speaker 3>everyone else, and yeah, what's connection. For sure, I'm thank

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<v Speaker 3>you again for having me on, sir.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely. Another highlight, by the way, is you get to

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<v Speaker 2>hang out with Robert Broden one of those days too,

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<v Speaker 2>because you know Groden as much as you know. Look,

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<v Speaker 2>you can argue with his books or whatever, but nobody

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<v Speaker 2>has released more photographic evidence to the public. Nobody has

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<v Speaker 2>participated in these things. I mean, he was part of

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<v Speaker 2>the HSCA, the photographic work that was done there and

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<v Speaker 2>all of that, plus part of many legendary documentaries, et cetera.

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<v Speaker 2>And I enjoyed being able to sit down with him

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<v Speaker 2>because I've encountered him a few times over the years,

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<v Speaker 2>but was able to sit down and talk with him

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<v Speaker 2>at Lancer, you know, at length if I wanted to.

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<v Speaker 2>I think I actually ate dinner next to him too.

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<v Speaker 2>At the one night we had dinner, no, actually twice

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<v Speaker 2>because Dealey Plaza UK people went over to oh Man

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<v Speaker 2>went over to the restaurant Campes. He's over there, and

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<v Speaker 2>Bob was at the end of the table too, and

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<v Speaker 2>then I went and sat down with him. Thursday, I

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<v Speaker 2>definitely want I don't know what night I'm gonna go,

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<v Speaker 2>but I'm definitely going to Campezes one night while I'm there.

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<v Speaker 2>I love going over there. The original location, by the way,

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<v Speaker 2>the one where Jack Ruby actually used to eat uh,

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<v Speaker 2>is the one that I go to. Uh. And yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>there must have been like thirty people from Dealey Plaza

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<v Speaker 2>UK there when Bob sat down and I sat down

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<v Speaker 2>at the end of the table, and it was just

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<v Speaker 2>like this long line of very cool people including uh,

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<v Speaker 2>oh Man, Johnny, Johnny Carnes, Cairen's what however you pronounce that?

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<v Speaker 2>You know? Uh? And he he's great uh. And I

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<v Speaker 2>was like, oh, good, I see one of my own.

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<v Speaker 2>There's tattoos and uh, you know and something like that,

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<v Speaker 2>and I said, oh, it's one of my guys. Felt

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<v Speaker 2>really good. And I even brought Pepete with me last year.

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<v Speaker 2>He's not gonna make it this year. But but instead

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<v Speaker 2>of that, miss is O with me, So you guys

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<v Speaker 2>will meet the missus. That'll be different. Anyways. First, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>me too, and my son will be with me. It's

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<v Speaker 2>going to be an interesting time in Dallas November twenty

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<v Speaker 2>second to the twenty fourth. And like I said, you

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<v Speaker 2>can also attended virtually Assassination Conference dot com and one

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<v Speaker 2>more time, Ocelly ten is the code you can put

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<v Speaker 2>in to get ten percent off. So I want to

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<v Speaker 2>thank Joe Burrelly for being on have youse expressed by

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<v Speaker 2>callers schools. There anyone else who happens to get on

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<v Speaker 2>the air of Jelly dot com.

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<v Speaker 5>You've not necessarily reflect the views of Kelly dot Com

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<v Speaker 5>or Juck Kelly, and we are not responsible.

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<v Speaker 2>We're getting stupidity which might have students.

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<v Speaker 6>Do you like history, real history that you were never

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<v Speaker 6>taught in schools? Why the Vietnam War, Nuclear Bombs and

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<v Speaker 6>Nation Building in Southeast Asia by author Mike Swanson, with

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<v Speaker 6>new documentation never seen before that'll open your eyes to

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<v Speaker 6>events that led up to this. Why the Vietnam War,

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<v Speaker 6>Nuclear Bombs and Nation Building in Southeast Asia nineteen forty

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<v Speaker 6>five through nineteen sixty one. Get your copy today at

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<v Speaker 7>The War State by Michael Swanson, Lanes the Great National

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<v Speaker 7>transformation that took place and put the Kennedy presidency in

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<v Speaker 7>the context of the Times and reveals never before published

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<v Speaker 7>information about the Cuban missile crisis. President Kennedy would not

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<v Speaker 7>have been assassinated if he had been president two hundred

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<v Speaker 7>years ago. His assassination took place in the context of

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<v Speaker 7>the Cold War and the rise of the national security state.

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<v Speaker 7>Before World War II, the United States was a continental republic.

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<v Speaker 7>In the decade that followed, it became an imperial superpower.

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<v Speaker 7>Generals such as Curtis LeMay not only wanted to invade Cuba,

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<v Speaker 7>but knew that there were short range missiles on the

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<v Speaker 7>island arn't with nuclear warheads that they could not destroy

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<v Speaker 7>because they were on mobile launchers. Their invasion could have

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<v Speaker 7>led to a Third World War, and they wanted to

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<v Speaker 7>go to war anyway. The War State by Michael Swanson

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<v Speaker 7>reveals why and will show you what President Kennedy was

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<v Speaker 7>up against. For more information, the Warstate dot com go.

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<v Speaker 8>Ahead Callina assassination, Right, Well, what do you want to know.

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<v Speaker 9>Oswal girlfriend, he knew Ruby and Barry handcer weapons.

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<v Speaker 2>Really, I imagine I could claim I have four wheels.

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<v Speaker 2>It doesn't make me a wagon, But okay, I'm.

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<v Speaker 3>Building and trying to prevent the murder of John Kennedy.

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<v Speaker 9>Come on now has a real effort on the DFPA

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<v Speaker 9>assassination inlaim.

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<v Speaker 2>Go to Amazon dot com enter Judith Baker in her

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<v Speaker 2>own words. You'll get the results for a digital copy

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<v Speaker 2>of a book where Walt Brown utilizes her own words

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<v Speaker 2>and the known evidence in the case to get at

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<v Speaker 2>well a different perspective. Let's say you can get Judith

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<v Speaker 2>Very Baker in her own words from the author himself

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<v Speaker 2>signed if you request it by contacting doctor Brown at

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<v Speaker 2>k I as jfk at aol dot com. It's a

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<v Speaker 2>fun book and it actually dissects the many, many fantastic

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<v Speaker 2>claims Judith Very Baker in her own.

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<v Speaker 8>Words, thank you for all the great information. In Denial

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<v Speaker 8>the Secret Wars with air strikes and Tanks by Larry Hancock.

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<v Speaker 8>Secret Wars became a statem us covert operations and are

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<v Speaker 8>still happening today. Larryhancock's book In Denial rips the cover

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<v Speaker 8>off many of them, using new files. It exposes things.

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<v Speaker 10>About the Bay of Pigs that no one has ever

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<v Speaker 10>written about before. It shows why it really failed and

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<v Speaker 10>why the United States did not learn from it. It

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<v Speaker 10>also shows why other countries today are doing secret operations

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<v Speaker 10>with more success. This is the book that puts what

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<v Speaker 10>some want to deny into the light. In Denial Secret

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<v Speaker 10>wars with air strikes and tanks Larryhncock. For more information,

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<v Speaker 10>go to Larry hyphen Handcock dot com.

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<v Speaker 2>Pick up your copy of In.

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<v Speaker 5>Denial at Amazon dot com in digital or physical force. H. H.

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<v Speaker 11>Letter dot com, Radio Network, Chili dot com.

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<v Speaker 9>Yo Yo, This is Doug Campbell, host of the Dallas

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<v Speaker 9>Action Podcast presented by Wall Street Window. Oh, and you

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<v Speaker 9>are listening to the o'chile effect revelation through conversation.

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<v Speaker 5>Nuclear holocaust.

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<v Speaker 2>You know what uranium is right?

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<v Speaker 3>Think of nuclear.

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<v Speaker 2>Weapons and other things like lots of you.

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<v Speaker 3>Know what uranium is right?

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<v Speaker 8>Bad things things have done with uranium and getting some

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<v Speaker 8>bad things.

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<v Speaker 5>Rooclear holocaust.

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<v Speaker 3>You know what neuronium is right. I've been agree nuclear holocaust.

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<v Speaker 6>Nuclear holocaust.

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<v Speaker 3>You know what miuranium is right,