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<v Speaker 1>It's Night Side with Dan Ray. I'm WBZ Costin's news Radio.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, Dan Watkins, thank you very much. My name

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<v Speaker 2>is Dan Ray, and I am back in my regular

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<v Speaker 2>Monday night chair every weeknight here on WBC Nights Time

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<v Speaker 2>with Dan Ray. I've just come back from vacation in

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<v Speaker 2>a very relaxed mood. There's no such thing as a

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<v Speaker 2>bad vacation, There's no doubt about that. I want to

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<v Speaker 2>thank again Gary Tangway, who sat in for me all

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<v Speaker 2>last week five nights, as well as my producer Lady

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<v Speaker 2>Lightning aka Maria McKinnon, who produced four nights in Karen

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<v Speaker 2>Will Semi one. So it's always great to have some

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<v Speaker 2>backups so you can and also regular staff so you

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<v Speaker 2>can take a few days off and realize that the

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<v Speaker 2>show will go on and everybody will all will be

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<v Speaker 2>right with the world. Well, all is not right with

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<v Speaker 2>the world in terms of a case that is currently

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't one of the State Supreme Court today. Now, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know how many of you remember this case. It

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<v Speaker 2>was a very high profile case. It was brought by

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<v Speaker 2>the US Attorney's Office against twenty eight individuals who are

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<v Speaker 2>alleged to have been customers at a very high end brothel.

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<v Speaker 2>This brothel and its brothels were operating in three locase

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<v Speaker 2>was operating in three locations, a couple of locations I

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<v Speaker 2>guess outside of Washington, d C. What they did was

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<v Speaker 2>they rented condominiums in relatively high end buildings. And this

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<v Speaker 2>was run by three individuals, two of whom apparently are

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<v Speaker 2>about to plead guilty for running this now again. The

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<v Speaker 2>indictments came down last November, so it's ten months now,

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<v Speaker 2>And of course, in those situations, sometimes people decide it

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<v Speaker 2>is better to lead early and get a matter settled

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<v Speaker 2>and maybe maybe be treated more favorably or less harshly

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<v Speaker 2>by the prosecution by showing some cooperation. So two of

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<v Speaker 2>the three people who are alleged to have run this

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<v Speaker 2>again brothel scheme or whatever prostitution ring have already indicated

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<v Speaker 2>that they want to change their place. And obviously all

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<v Speaker 2>of them pled not guilty at arraignments last year. But

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<v Speaker 2>that is not what the case is about. Today in

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<v Speaker 2>front of the State Supreme Court, let me sort of

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<v Speaker 2>give you an idea. This is US Attornity attorney for Massachusetts,

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<v Speaker 2>Joshua Levy, who last on November announced the indictments, and Rob,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to ask you to play cut number twenty seven.

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<v Speaker 2>This is US Attorney Joshua Levy, a very high profile case,

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<v Speaker 2>and he talked about the apparently this group kept very

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<v Speaker 2>specific information about the customers and apparently almost they had

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<v Speaker 2>to qualify the customers to make sure that they had

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<v Speaker 2>the financial wherewithal to You know, it was not your

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<v Speaker 2>run of the mill street prostitution situation. This was high end.

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<v Speaker 2>As I think this sound bite from US Attorney Levy

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<v Speaker 2>will persuade you. Cut twenty seven. Roum.

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<v Speaker 3>They are doctors, they are lawyers, their accountants, they're elected officials,

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<v Speaker 3>they are executives at high tech companies and pharmaceutical companies,

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<v Speaker 3>they're military officers.

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<v Speaker 1>No one is above the law.

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<v Speaker 3>Doesn't matter where you live, doesn't matter what your job is,

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<v Speaker 3>how much money you have. Engaging commercial sex rings as

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<v Speaker 3>a legend's indictment is illegal.

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<v Speaker 2>So in this particular instance, the US Attorneys Office is

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<v Speaker 2>not only looking to prosecute, but there is now a

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<v Speaker 2>question about obviously, if they prosecute, they will name the

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<v Speaker 2>individual defendants, the patrons of this ring, and there is

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<v Speaker 2>what the problem that the court was looking at today,

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<v Speaker 2>there has been again some stories written about it in

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<v Speaker 2>the Globe. I guess it was on Saturday or it

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<v Speaker 2>was there was at least a story that was probably

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<v Speaker 2>in Sunday's paper now that I think about it, which

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<v Speaker 2>I did not receive until late The alleged, according to

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<v Speaker 2>Sean Cotter's piece in the Sunday Globe, the alleged head

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<v Speaker 2>of an interstate brothel network, I mean, this was big money,

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<v Speaker 2>big money that catered to the rich and welcome, acted

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<v Speaker 2>in Cambridge and Watertown, is planning to plead guilty later

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<v Speaker 2>this month, according to court documents. And by the way,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, they're referring to the location of the brothels,

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<v Speaker 2>not necessarily to the clients. Han Hannah Lee, forty one,

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<v Speaker 2>of Cambridge, intends to enter a guilty plea as to

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<v Speaker 2>the charge is lodged against her, according to the court

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<v Speaker 2>documents filed on Tuesday. This according to the Globe, as

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<v Speaker 2>they said Sean Catter five point thirty seven, it hit

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<v Speaker 2>their web page, the Globe website at five point thirty

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<v Speaker 2>seven on Saturday night. That is scheduled for next week,

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<v Speaker 2>two days after Han Lee filed for her hearing one

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<v Speaker 2>of her alleged top lieutenants, Jimmy Jung Lee thirty one A. Denham,

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<v Speaker 2>asked for a change of plea hearing as well. Court

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<v Speaker 2>documents did not elaborate further on the specifics, but set

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<v Speaker 2>in October first hearing date. According to records, both had

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<v Speaker 2>pled had pleaded not guilty. The brothel bus last November

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<v Speaker 2>dominated the headlines after the public learned the rings client

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<v Speaker 2>list included again elected officials, government contractors with security clearances,

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<v Speaker 2>military officers, and professors. According to federal authorities, The list

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<v Speaker 2>of hundreds of men who bought sex at the brothels,

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<v Speaker 2>which were in luxury apartments in Cambridge, Watertown and the

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<v Speaker 2>suburbs of Washington, d C. Was not released by law

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<v Speaker 2>enforcement officials, prompting intense speculation about the alleged client's identities.

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<v Speaker 2>The sloature in the federal and state justice systems has

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<v Speaker 2>provided a few answers since the bust. Twenty eight men

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<v Speaker 2>currently face state charges of buying sex at the brothels,

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<v Speaker 2>but their names remained shielded as the state's top court

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<v Speaker 2>is due to hear their arguments on Monday. About whether

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<v Speaker 2>their initial hearings will take place behind closed doors so

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<v Speaker 2>that was the subject of the case. Now, according to

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<v Speaker 2>the lob article, advocates are told the Globe this case

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<v Speaker 2>highlights the harsh realities of an industry where women are

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<v Speaker 2>isolated and exploited by well off men who have the

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<v Speaker 2>means to fight for secrecy. None of the women selling

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<v Speaker 2>the sex of these brothels has been charged. Authorities said

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<v Speaker 2>they are the victims shuttled from brothel to brothel and

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<v Speaker 2>city to city. So that is what we are talking about. Now.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a third indictment who defendant who has been named

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<v Speaker 2>accused of operating the brothels, James Lee, sixty nine of California,

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<v Speaker 2>the third person charged with operating the network. None of

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<v Speaker 2>the Lees of the last names of the same are related.

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<v Speaker 2>The brothel bust made national headlines, driven by Acting US

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<v Speaker 2>Attorney Joshua Levy's announcement last November detailing the high socioeconomic

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<v Speaker 2>statuses of the men on the list. Levi's prosecutors described

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<v Speaker 2>an elaborate and sophisticated network, with the Lees, meaning the

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<v Speaker 2>owners of the brothel required the patrons the customers to

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<v Speaker 2>provide extensive documentation. The Lee's intensive verification processes meant that clients.

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<v Speaker 2>Clients had to identify their employers and provide references. According

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<v Speaker 2>to court filings, customers were charged up to six hundred

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<v Speaker 2>dollars an hour and in some cases purchased monthly membership.

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<v Speaker 2>In December, local authorities saw charges against twenty eight alleged clients.

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<v Speaker 2>The charges were filed in state court because buying sex

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<v Speaker 2>generally is not a federal crime, so that sets the stage.

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<v Speaker 2>The names of those charge did not become public. The

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<v Speaker 2>alleged crimes are misdemeanors, and police are filing charges after

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<v Speaker 2>the facts, so the men first get summoned to private

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<v Speaker 2>show cause hearings. They weren't caught in the act. It's

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<v Speaker 2>like when a police officer is told that you've done something.

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<v Speaker 2>These I'm sure these these lists and these documents in

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<v Speaker 2>these records that the runners of the people who rid

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<v Speaker 2>the brothel kept. They summoned to private show cause hearings

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<v Speaker 2>before clerk magistrates. These hearings typically take place out of

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<v Speaker 2>view theist and magistrate finds probable cause against any of

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<v Speaker 2>the men, than the charges for those men would advance

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<v Speaker 2>and their identities would become public. So that's the issue

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<v Speaker 2>here at this point, that is the issue. In December,

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<v Speaker 2>the Cambridge District Court Clerk Magistrate ruled that the initial

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<v Speaker 2>hearings should be open to the public, but after a

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<v Speaker 2>flurry of appeals by eighteen of the men, the hearings

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<v Speaker 2>remain paused and the men's name secret until the SJC

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<v Speaker 2>decision argument today, and we can play some of that

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<v Speaker 2>for you as well. But what more importantly I'd like

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<v Speaker 2>to do is open up these phone lines. We welcome

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<v Speaker 2>phone calls here on night side. As I think you know,

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<v Speaker 2>on whatever side of this issue you're concerned about, and

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<v Speaker 2>if you feel the identities of these high placed men

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<v Speaker 2>of influence, who again were paying up to six hundred

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<v Speaker 2>dollars an hour, if you think that their privacy interest

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<v Speaker 2>outweighs the public's right to know, love to hear from you.

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<v Speaker 2>If conversely, you think that the public's right to know

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<v Speaker 2>is more important than any privacy rights. Interesting question. I

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<v Speaker 2>do recall that several years ago there were individuals who

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<v Speaker 2>would be busted by police officers in Boston, by undercover

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<v Speaker 2>police officers, so busted in the act of solescing street sex.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess it would be you know, not what you

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<v Speaker 2>call six hundred dollars an hour activity and those individuals

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<v Speaker 2>were arrested by undercover police officers and they were booked,

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<v Speaker 2>fingerprinted in their photographs were released, and I think the

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<v Speaker 2>Herald used to run those pictures fairly frequently. So this

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<v Speaker 2>is an interesting topic that the balance between the privacy

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<v Speaker 2>of individuals who obviously are doing something is illegal versus

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<v Speaker 2>the public right to know and what impact it will

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<v Speaker 2>have on the lives of any and all involved. The

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<v Speaker 2>number remains six one, seven, two, five, four ten thirty

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<v Speaker 2>six one seven nine three one ten thirty. Those are

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<v Speaker 2>Love to know what you think we'd we're Obviously everyone

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<v Speaker 2>should be sympathetic to the women sex workers, because many

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<v Speaker 2>of them are brought here, if not against their will,

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<v Speaker 2>under false pretenses, and then they are basically forced to participate,

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<v Speaker 2>and they have not been charged. But where does the

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<v Speaker 2>interest lie public interest, in your opinion, in the names

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<v Speaker 2>and identities of these individuals or are their privacy rights

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<v Speaker 2>Coming right back on night Side.

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<v Speaker 1>Bent to Dan Way live from the Window World to

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<v Speaker 1>night Side Studios. I'm WBZ News Radio and I.

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<v Speaker 2>Want to remind all of you that here on Night Side,

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<v Speaker 2>we are a talk show, and we are a talk

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<v Speaker 2>show that invites callers, whatever your point of view. And

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<v Speaker 2>this is a fairly sensitive subject, certainly very sensitive for

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<v Speaker 2>the twenty eight or so men, many of whom apparently

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<v Speaker 2>have some stature within our community. You heard Joshua Levy's

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<v Speaker 2>comment last November, and he's essentially making the point that hey,

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<v Speaker 2>you do something like this, you have the potential to

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<v Speaker 2>not only suffer the consequences, but suffer the public embarrassment.

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<v Speaker 2>And again, the argument today at the State Supreme Court

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<v Speaker 2>was the balance between the privacy of the jahns, if

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<v Speaker 2>you will, and the public's right to know, love to

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<v Speaker 2>know where you sit on it, where you stand on

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<v Speaker 2>this six on seven, two, five, four, ten thirty six one, seven, nine, three,

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<v Speaker 2>one ten thirty. Let me go first to John and Bosston.

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<v Speaker 2>JOHNA glad to hear from you. Go right ahead, sir,

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<v Speaker 2>how are you? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 4>Hi? Good, good evening. Dan. There's something I'm hoping you

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<v Speaker 4>might want to take on sometime, because you know, we

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<v Speaker 4>should be adults about this. The only place in America

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<v Speaker 4>where you can go see a woman. I don't mean

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<v Speaker 4>you look out the windows in Nevada, not in Las Vegas,

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<v Speaker 4>in certain counties and it works out well for all concerned.

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<v Speaker 4>The women that are there are there on their own will,

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<v Speaker 4>and the men that go there usually it's men. There

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<v Speaker 4>have been some men working there. You're not going to

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<v Speaker 4>be arrested. And the women have to get a license

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<v Speaker 4>from the state, they have to pay taxes. We should

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<v Speaker 4>have that here in Massachusetts. But the politicians I've talked

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<v Speaker 4>to my state rep. They're all afraid. They don't have

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<v Speaker 4>the testicular fortitude touch it. And you know, well, what.

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<v Speaker 2>About you, John, what you're what you're talking about is

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<v Speaker 2>the legalization of prostitution.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it should be. It should be. I went to Sydney, Australia,

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<v Speaker 4>downtown the King's Cross Street, you'll see the places. I

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<v Speaker 4>went in there and I went to see two women. Legally,

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<v Speaker 4>The beast. He's a beast with a suit and tie

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<v Speaker 4>he wants to practice becoming a father you're not going

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<v Speaker 2>That's an interesting way. Well, that's an interesting way to

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<v Speaker 2>He might be doing that, practicing with his girlfriend or

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<v Speaker 2>You know.

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<v Speaker 4>People people say, why didn't you go meet somebody? Well,

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<v Speaker 4>After about thirty five or so, it's really tough to

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<v Speaker 4>be calling me up, come on over, I'll make a

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<v Speaker 4>peach in a bubble. Bet. They don't do that anymore.

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<v Speaker 4>I have broken the law on myself.

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<v Speaker 2>God, John, you're blessed. I mean, I'm not sure if you,

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<v Speaker 2>so my question is this, Okay, I understand that you

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<v Speaker 4>Well, since it's illegal now, like any other crime, if

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<v Speaker 4>for anything else, it should be. But you know, I

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<v Speaker 4>think we should get on the bucket list and make

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<v Speaker 4>it all legal. It's on my bucket list next year

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<v Speaker 4>because I went to the State House and I went

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<v Speaker 4>to the Common Building. I need seventy five thousand signatures

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<v Speaker 4>Massachut's law sexual conduct for a fee a year in

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<v Speaker 4>jail five hundred all five in to what your DNA

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<v Speaker 4>And I agree with that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I don't. I don't know anybody in Massachusetts. I've

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<v Speaker 2>never I should say this, I've never heard of anyone

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<v Speaker 2>growing understanding that a lot of women who find themselves

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<v Speaker 2>in this practice, particularly if they are in some sort

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<v Speaker 2>of an organized use the word brothel type situation where

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<v Speaker 2>a deal that they would soon regret. Uh that there's

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<v Speaker 2>who are who find themselves and trapped in sex work.

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<v Speaker 2>Now I know that there are something well, it's just

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<v Speaker 2>another form of work, right, And I'm sure that that

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<v Speaker 2>look you know that's doing they're doing that in Nevada.

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<v Speaker 2>It's the political will of the people. I guess in

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<v Speaker 4>A decade going on there in Nevada.

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<v Speaker 2>But but again, I don't think you're likely in your

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<v Speaker 4>No, not in Reno. They don't have it legal. But

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<v Speaker 4>I mean we should be at Dougs. It should be

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<v Speaker 4>on the ballot. The voters want to have it. The

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<v Speaker 4>men that are being charge could open IM legal if

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<v Speaker 4>pay taxes to the state. The women in Nevada have

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<v Speaker 4>to see a doctor on a regular basis. They've had

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<v Speaker 4>guys in there too. They have been something you can't

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, well let's see what Let's see what others have

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<v Speaker 4>John, thanks you, and you know what state they have

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<v Speaker 4>told me. But Joe McGonagall, he said you should go

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<v Speaker 4>to Nevada once a year. He's telling me. I said,

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<v Speaker 4>I gotta go two thousand miles away. Who should have that? Massachusetts?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's that's the sort of a condescending comment that

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<v Speaker 4>Year in marijuana. Well, we don't have legalis marijuana?

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<v Speaker 2>Way that can I make a suggestion to you, John,

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<v Speaker 2>think about running against them? And I'm serious when I

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<v Speaker 2>say that, because when when someone loses touch with their constituents,

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<v Speaker 2>that they don't take their constituents serious seriously and make

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<v Speaker 2>feel strongly about take them on. I mean that seriously,

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<v Speaker 2>because too many of these these men and women out

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<v Speaker 2>there don't face a primary challenge, and therefore they they

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<v Speaker 2>as seriously as they should. That's a concern for you.

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<v Speaker 2>I might disagree with you, but I certainly think that

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<v Speaker 2>you raise it as a legitimate topic. I really do.

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<v Speaker 5>Well.

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<v Speaker 4>I ask all your listeners to look on Google back page,

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<v Speaker 4>Boston back page, New York escorts massages.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh I know, yeah, don't know. It's around, no question,

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<v Speaker 2>no question. But look, that's the same.

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<v Speaker 4>They should make money at it.

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<v Speaker 2>We understand that, but that is also the same. Finish

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<v Speaker 2>my comment, John, I'm on your side here a little bit, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm trying to give you a break. What I'm saying

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<v Speaker 2>is that there are people out there who want to

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<v Speaker 2>make heroin legal, want to make fentoonyl legal, want to

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<v Speaker 2>make you know, suicide legal. There's a lot of things

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<v Speaker 2>that are illegal, including prostitution that some people have equally

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<v Speaker 2>strong feelings on the other side. But maybe we'll do

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<v Speaker 2>this election season and and and talk about this, uh,

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<v Speaker 2>and see if we can get a couple of different

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<v Speaker 2>and I appreciate that.

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<v Speaker 4>Thanks money for the state. I hope you'll do a topic.

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<v Speaker 4>Should prostitution be legalized in Massachusetts? It should? I got it.

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<v Speaker 2>I think, I just I think I just told you

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<v Speaker 2>I would. John. I thinks, as judges often say, counselor,

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<v Speaker 2>you've won the argument here. If you keep talking, I

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<v Speaker 2>might change my opinion. Thanks John, have a great night.

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<v Speaker 4>All right, thank you, Thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>Bob here comes to news at the bottom of the

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<v Speaker 2>hour six one seven, two, five, four to ten thirty,

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<v Speaker 2>or whether they should be released to the public. That's

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<v Speaker 2>the topic on the table. John has broadened the topic

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit by talking about whether or not Massachusetts

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<v Speaker 2>We are a talk show coming back from Nightside.

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<v Speaker 1>It's night Side with Dan Ray on w Boston's news radio.

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<v Speaker 2>So we're talking about an interesting case before the State

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<v Speaker 2>in the newspapers tomorrow. Maybe you haven't heard about it.

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<v Speaker 2>I've tried to explain it. Let's go to Sean and Brockton. Shawn,

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<v Speaker 2>you are next on Nightside. Thanks for checking in on.

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<v Speaker 2>How are you tonight?

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<v Speaker 5>That's about you?

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<v Speaker 2>Good? What's your take on this show? So? What what

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<v Speaker 2>is more important? The privacy of these twenty eight customers,

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<v Speaker 2>the public's interest in knowing who they are, particularly a

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<v Speaker 2>view of what the US attorney said in terms of

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<v Speaker 5>Well, I'm gonna come out from a different angle. First

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<v Speaker 5>of all, the gentleman that called up prior to myself,

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<v Speaker 5>I do just briefly, I want to touch on that,

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<v Speaker 5>just real fast. I do agree with what he said

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<v Speaker 5>as far as the whole legalization of it. Okay, Okay,

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<v Speaker 5>that's the first thing. The second thing is we're talking

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<v Speaker 5>about men that have that have stature military legal law enforcement,

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<v Speaker 5>what what what have you? Okay, so they have stature.

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<v Speaker 5>They're not gonna it's not gonna be easy for them

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<v Speaker 5>to be for their name to be dragged to the

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<v Speaker 5>mud so easily. They're gonna. They're gonna, they're gonna try

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<v Speaker 5>local Ada, you know, where they have statute money, and

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<v Speaker 5>they're gonna, they're gonna, they're gonna work out some sort

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I don't know about that because the the issue

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<v Speaker 2>before the court today. And and again I understand what

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<v Speaker 2>you're saying. There were there was a period of time

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<v Speaker 2>and maybe you remember it several years ago when I

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<v Speaker 2>think the Herald used to run pictures of UH men

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<v Speaker 2>who were caught in Boston, particularly in the combat zone

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<v Speaker 2>Sting operation. The difference there they were inter be people

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<v Speaker 2>who nobody knew because they were UH. They often ended

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<v Speaker 2>up talking to an undercover police officer, a female undercover

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<v Speaker 2>police officer who they assumed was UH a lady of

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<v Speaker 2>the evening and and and they were uh caught, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>and arrested and in charge with solicitation of prostitution. And

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<v Speaker 2>they're if they were fingerprinted, books, photographed, and though their

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<v Speaker 2>pictures were released and their names were released, this is

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<v Speaker 2>a little different because apparently none of these individuals, these

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<v Speaker 2>high profile individuals, were caught during a bust or anything

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<v Speaker 2>like that. But when the ring was broken up and

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<v Speaker 2>the federal government got caught out, well, they had records

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<v Speaker 2>that these individuals, apparently many of them, had to submit

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<v Speaker 2>proof of who they were, who their employer was. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>what are they thinking when they're I mean, they're paying

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<v Speaker 2>an extraordinary amount of money, six hundred dollars up to

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<v Speaker 2>six hundred dollars an hour, and the people who are

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<v Speaker 2>providing the service, not the women who themselves are victims,

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<v Speaker 2>but the people who are running the brothel their cold heart.

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<v Speaker 5>Editions, right, And I'm thinking that the reason why they

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<v Speaker 5>the owners of the managers or whoever you say the

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<v Speaker 5>leads were running this. I don't know, I don't know,

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<v Speaker 5>but whoever did not related?

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<v Speaker 2>Three individuals not related, one guy from California and a

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<v Speaker 5>if one of these people, these hiding end guys, decided

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<v Speaker 5>to say, hey, if you don't help me out here

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<v Speaker 5>with something, I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna drop a

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<v Speaker 5>time on ther whole operation. Yeah, well, we know who

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<v Speaker 5>you are, so if you f with us.

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<v Speaker 2>You know yeah, yeah, well yeah, I mean that might

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<v Speaker 2>have been the motivation, or or maybe they wanted to

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<v Speaker 2>make sure that the individuals who they were dealing with

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<v Speaker 2>they knew exactly who they were dealing with, because they

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<v Speaker 2>it was an expensive operation. Apparently these women were all

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<v Speaker 2>put in high end condominiums. They were not what you

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<v Speaker 2>call street workers. Uh. And I'm sure that the people

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<v Speaker 2>who were running this brothel were people who had to

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<v Speaker 2>put up a lot of money to rent condominiums, and

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<v Speaker 2>they there was I just think to myself, if you're

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<v Speaker 2>one of these guys, I mean, I assume you're probably

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<v Speaker 2>giving him a credit card as opposed to the word

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I mean, I'm serious. You know, you know,

436
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<v Speaker 2>all of us have learned I think through the Internet

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<v Speaker 2>that the fewer people that.

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<v Speaker 5>Have yeah, never personal information out there.

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<v Speaker 2>Well right for anything, I mean, uh, whenever everyone gets this,

440
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<v Speaker 2>these solicitations these.

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<v Speaker 5>Days anymore, which I never learned to navigate. But what

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<v Speaker 5>of her?

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<v Speaker 2>But it used to be, Remember it used to be

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<v Speaker 2>the Nigerian prince was promising you five million dollars, but

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<v Speaker 2>you just opened up and account with one hundred thousand

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<v Speaker 2>dollars in.

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<v Speaker 5>His knee outside fifty million back what you got it?

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<v Speaker 4>Right? Right?

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<v Speaker 2>So we all learned that. Okay, we all learned that.

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<v Speaker 2>But these guys apparently felt that they were involved. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know, I kind of imagine what they were thinking.

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<v Speaker 2>But that's that's the deal. So where do you come

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<v Speaker 2>down on this? Should their names be made public? Should

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<v Speaker 2>is there an interest in the public in knowing who

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<v Speaker 2>these guys are? Who these men are?

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<v Speaker 5>It goes back to we were talking just a moment

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<v Speaker 5>ago about those those guys that were stunned in Boston

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<v Speaker 5>several years ago. How was it handled with them?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, most of them ended up and they because they

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<v Speaker 2>again I just explaining the difference, because they were caught

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<v Speaker 2>in the act, meaning not in the act of sexual activity,

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<v Speaker 2>but in the act of solicitating what they thought were

463
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<v Speaker 2>approst was hard, but they they were, they were they

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<v Speaker 2>handed money over or whatever, and to to an undercover

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<v Speaker 2>police officer. I mean, I'm sure the police officer was

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<v Speaker 2>not wearing a uniform, but they were. They were. They

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<v Speaker 2>were pretending to be, you know, a lady of the evening.

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<v Speaker 2>And then once they did that, they were arrested. At

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<v Speaker 2>that point, they booked, fingerprinted and photographed, and they're in

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<v Speaker 2>court the next morning at an open arraignment. This these

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<v Speaker 2>guys because their name showed up in a book. In theory,

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<v Speaker 2>let's assume your name was somehow in that book. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not suggesting it would have been sewn, don't get

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<v Speaker 2>me wrong, But if somehow someone's name was similar to yours,

475
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<v Speaker 2>there could be a case of some mistaken identity. It

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<v Speaker 2>could be that someone used a different name. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>there are some arguments that lawyers can make and and

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<v Speaker 2>would say, well, the only you don't have a sufficient

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<v Speaker 2>evidence to charge them, although obviously the US Attorney's Office

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<v Speaker 2>is going to disagree strongly with that, so we'll we'll.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, look, I think it's an interesting issue. Where

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<v Speaker 2>do you come down? Tell me? Should John obviously.

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<v Speaker 5>Especially I'm really not sure on this one.

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<v Speaker 2>Throw enough, Okay, that's that's always the best topic when

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<v Speaker 2>people aren't sure. Hey, Sean, thank you, Carl, and I

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<v Speaker 2>appreciate it. Nice to talk to you soon. All right,

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<v Speaker 2>good night. All right, let me h if I get

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<v Speaker 2>the right mouse here, I can if you could just say, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>here we go, we're going to take a quick break.

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<v Speaker 2>I got Jane and Salem coming back. I'm looking forward

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<v Speaker 2>to what Jane has to say very much, and I'd

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<v Speaker 2>love to hear what you have to say. And again

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<v Speaker 2>I'll remind you this is a talk show, and I

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<v Speaker 2>invite people to call and express their opinions. Whatever their

495
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<v Speaker 2>opinion is on this or any other subject, You're always

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<v Speaker 2>welcome to call this show six one, seven, two, five, four,

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<v Speaker 2>ten thirty or six one seven, nine three one ten thirty.

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<v Speaker 2>We will change topics at ten o'clock tonight. We're going

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<v Speaker 2>to switch to your anticipation of what's going to happen

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<v Speaker 2>tomorrow night, twenty four hours from now in Philadelphia, when

501
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<v Speaker 2>Donald Trump and Kamala Harris are debating for what might

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<v Speaker 2>be the only presidential debate of twenty twenty four. We're

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<v Speaker 2>back on Nightside, hopefully with you and some other callers

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<v Speaker 2>right after this.

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<v Speaker 1>Now back to Dan Raydy Mine from the window World

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<v Speaker 1>Nightside Studios on WBZ News Radio.

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<v Speaker 2>Back to the phones. Let's go to Jane in Salem, Massachusetts. Jane,

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<v Speaker 2>I appreciate you calling in. You're next on Nightside. What

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<v Speaker 2>do you think about this situation?

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<v Speaker 6>Hello, Dan, thank you for taking the call. I have

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<v Speaker 6>a couple of comments I'd like to make and feel

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<v Speaker 6>free to respond. It's interesting human trafficking is a multi

513
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<v Speaker 6>billion dollar industry in the world. Women are brought to

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<v Speaker 6>where there are sporting events and things of that nature.

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<v Speaker 6>Whenever there's a big sporting event, keep that in mind.

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<v Speaker 6>But also, someone made the comment, I think it was you.

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<v Speaker 6>People are paying extraordinary amounts of money. I'm going to

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<v Speaker 6>comment that's whether it's your daughter, my daughter, or it's

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<v Speaker 6>somebody's daughter. Six hundred dollars is not an extraordinary amount

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<v Speaker 6>of money if you think about what's going on. And

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<v Speaker 6>we had that one high pro profile case where while

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<v Speaker 6>they pay one hundred dollars and you know of what

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<v Speaker 6>I speak, but I am going to comment that a

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<v Speaker 6>lot of these people.

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<v Speaker 2>By the way, Jane, I'm not sure realizing this is

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<v Speaker 2>family programming here, I'm not sure of what you mean

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<v Speaker 2>about one hundred dollars.

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<v Speaker 6>I mean, well, let me let me. I'll realize it's

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<v Speaker 6>a family program. So let's just say that most women

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<v Speaker 6>or people's daughters don't grow up saying gee, I can't

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<v Speaker 6>wait to make fifty or one hundred dollars to give

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<v Speaker 6>a particular sex back to all day long to seventy

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<v Speaker 6>year old in Florida.

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<v Speaker 2>Yep, I got it.

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<v Speaker 6>You with me, okay. And these are these well placed,

536
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<v Speaker 6>high powered people. It's funny that the two gentlemen you

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<v Speaker 6>spoke to everybody kind of chuckles like it's locker room talk.

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<v Speaker 6>This is somebody's person, and it is. I went to

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<v Speaker 6>haved I didn't go to Havard to school, but within

540
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<v Speaker 6>the last five or ten years I went to see

541
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<v Speaker 6>a viewing of a movie called Trafficked. I think it's

542
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<v Speaker 6>like a documentary. It's a huge problem. I'm not sure

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<v Speaker 6>these people. So in relation to the very specifics of

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<v Speaker 6>this case, I read the police log every day, as

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<v Speaker 6>I'm sure you do. People's names are in there every day.

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<v Speaker 6>I think the facts of this is different based on

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<v Speaker 6>what you said in terms of the sjac case and

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<v Speaker 6>what they'll say. But it's a huge problem on so

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<v Speaker 6>many levels because it's not a lot of money. The

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<v Speaker 6>people who are buying these services, they have very wealthy individuals,

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<v Speaker 6>and I'm sorry, six hundred dollars is what they'd pay

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<v Speaker 6>to go out to dinner, right.

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<v Speaker 2>I do want to the point the point I was

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<v Speaker 2>trying to make it. I don't want to over emphasize

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<v Speaker 2>this point or or under emphasized the point six hundred dollars.

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<v Speaker 2>In order to have that money to spend you have

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<v Speaker 2>to be a person of some substance. I mean you can,

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<v Speaker 2>I guess spend six d Isn't that concerning?

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<v Speaker 6>So let me say these are from what we know,

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<v Speaker 6>although we don't know who the people are. They're supposedly responsible,

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<v Speaker 6>respected adults in the community.

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<v Speaker 2>Give did you hear earliest hour? The US attorney josh

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<v Speaker 2>Joshua Levy when this indictment was announced last last November,

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<v Speaker 2>he categorized all the different type of people who were

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<v Speaker 2>involved in this, and there were doctors and lawyers, elected

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<v Speaker 2>public officials, according to him, military officers.

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<v Speaker 6>I mean that to you, Dan Well.

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<v Speaker 2>I think the fact that that he mentioned that it

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<v Speaker 2>was intended to make the point that these are people

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<v Speaker 2>in positions of power.

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<v Speaker 6>In his power right and there's a real imbalance of power.

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<v Speaker 6>The other thing is these folks may be going home

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<v Speaker 6>to their families with sdds and not let you know

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<v Speaker 6>it is. It's just much more complicated than the chuckle haha.

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<v Speaker 6>This is you know what men do?

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<v Speaker 2>Well? Well, what with John? To defend John from Boston?

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<v Speaker 2>When he called, he was essentially saying, it's that in

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<v Speaker 2>his opinion, And again you and I don't have to

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<v Speaker 2>agree and necessarily disagree with.

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<v Speaker 6>His I certainly don't need to defend John from Boston.

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<v Speaker 6>I will say before I feel that, I will forget

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<v Speaker 6>it was a judge in Boston. Hold on one second,

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<v Speaker 6>because I'm going to forget this one Tom, I mean John,

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<v Speaker 6>go ahead, Just hang on a second, Dan, There was

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<v Speaker 6>a judge in Boston. It was a female judge, and

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<v Speaker 6>she used to not charge the sex workers that were

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<v Speaker 6>brought in unless the John's were also brought in. So

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<v Speaker 6>I think she's since retired. But that's the deal, you know.

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<v Speaker 6>It's uh, and this is different set of facts. I

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<v Speaker 6>think you're just saying, this is a list that was

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<v Speaker 6>on some who would give a credit card to this.

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<v Speaker 6>This is the kind of transaction you probably should pay cash.

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<v Speaker 4>Go ahead, I the point.

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<v Speaker 2>That I was trying to make you alluded to the

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<v Speaker 2>fellow John from Boston, and again not a John from

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<v Speaker 2>Boston and a gentleman whose name was John, and he

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<v Speaker 2>was advocating. He basically took this story and said, look,

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<v Speaker 2>in his opinion, prostitution should be legalized, that it should

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<v Speaker 2>be that it should be a business, that there should

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<v Speaker 2>be taxes are charged, that that women who were involved

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<v Speaker 2>in the trade should be certified. And you know, his

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<v Speaker 2>his his position was to kind of get people who

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<v Speaker 2>are running a brothel like this. I mean, if if

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<v Speaker 2>I don't agree with him, but but you I don't suspect.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't suspect that in Nevada, where there's a tax

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<v Speaker 2>element to the to the trade, that anybody's out there

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<v Speaker 2>opening up unregistered, unlicensed, unauthorized brothels in Nevada.

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<v Speaker 6>And I think I'm going to suggest, I'm going to

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<v Speaker 6>suggest Dan that you do some research on human trafficking.

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<v Speaker 6>It is a multi billion dollar business and people aren't volunteerily.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not an expert on it, Jane. Sounds to me

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<v Speaker 2>like you might be an expert, but.

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<v Speaker 6>I'm going to have a little bit of information. But

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<v Speaker 6>it's not a job that anybody would say, Oh great,

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<v Speaker 6>I'd like to go do this particular thing, giving a

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<v Speaker 6>sex act of ten seven year old men a day.

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<v Speaker 6>That's something I want to do as a career. I mean, well,

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<v Speaker 6>think about it that I think.

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<v Speaker 2>That I understand the point you're making. But I can

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<v Speaker 2>tell you that there that there are people in every

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<v Speaker 2>every industry, even industries that you and I might not

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<v Speaker 2>ever want to be associated with, who will say, look,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't mind doing this, or I mean that's there are.

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<v Speaker 6>You know, there's some research on human trafficking. It's not

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<v Speaker 6>a whole bunch of people volunteering. It's people that It

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<v Speaker 6>really is more.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, Jane, you don't have to it's huge.

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<v Speaker 6>It's a huge indult.

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<v Speaker 2>I understand the difference.

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<v Speaker 6>It was not meant as an insult at all.

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<v Speaker 2>Dan, Well, thank you for that. It's it sounded that way. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>feel free anytime, You're welcome. Thank you very much, No problem. Okay, gee,

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<v Speaker 2>call end that way, because again I am aware of

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<v Speaker 2>human trafficking. It sounds to me like Jane has immersed

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<v Speaker 2>herself in the in the problem. You cannot be an

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<v Speaker 2>intelligent human human being and not understand what I would

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<v Speaker 2>have said to Jane is that you cannot be an intelligent,

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<v Speaker 2>rational human being in the twenty first century and and

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<v Speaker 2>have an IQ of of you know, normal levels and

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<v Speaker 2>not understand that, Yes, human trafficking is a curve. It's

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<v Speaker 2>occurring in our country, it's occurring in other countries, it's occurring.

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<v Speaker 2>Probably it is a worldwide phenomenon. I think the argument

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<v Speaker 2>is that, you know, prostitution is the world's oldest profession.

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<v Speaker 2>I was just in Italy at the ruins of Pompeii,

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<v Speaker 2>which was destroyed in seventy nine a d. And the

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<v Speaker 2>ruins which have been rediscovered after all these years in

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<v Speaker 2>seventeen forty eight and now have been brought back to life.

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<v Speaker 2>There were rooms there was prostitution going on at Pompeii

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<v Speaker 2>in seventy nine a d. And you actually they showed

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<v Speaker 2>us these rooms that you know, they obviously were, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>long ago, where men and I guess women as well

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<v Speaker 2>could pick what type of favor they what sort of

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<v Speaker 2>activity they want to engage in. So, yeah, I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>a mabe in the woods. I'm not naive, and I

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<v Speaker 2>think that we had an interesting discussion about it, but

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<v Speaker 2>we'll end it there and I will tell you here

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