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to Matthew now as we get started after a week
off with a little break there for Thanksgiving, and there
is a ton to talk about. All right, Matthew, I'm
turning turning it over to you, Jeff.
Speaker 2: Jeff, how you doing, friend? How you doing? Man?
Speaker 3: I have a I have such a I'm so happy man.
We're back here. This is the the longest running independent
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episodes this week, and we're coming right off the ACC
Championship game.
Speaker 2: Jeff, I don't want to get your thoughts thoughts on
that game.
Speaker 3: I mean, we don't we don't often see Virginia and
Duke in the ACC Football Championship.
Speaker 2: I don't want to get you you want to get
your thoughts.
Speaker 1: On that game. Yeah, I mean it was a really
entertaining game. Hats off to Duke. You know, I think
they played with a real chip on their shoulder in
that game yesterday. I mean, the story going into the
game the entire time was, oh, the tiebreakers is wrong,
and Duke shouldn't be in the game, and Virginia is
playing to get into the playoffs, and and you know,
it just was a huge discussion on that topic. And
you know, Duke just went in there and you know,
like I said, played with a played with a chip
on their shoulder. They were the aggressor the entire time.
Sorry about that, Okay, Yeah, they were the aggressor of
the entire time. You saw many dias, you know, going
for for things in that in that game, even in
the overtime after Virginia scored the touchdown, you know, he's
going forward on fourth fourth down in the overtime when
he could have kicked the could have kicked the field goal.
And you know, I mean, the rules are the rules. However,
Duke got in there. They were there, They took advantage
of it, and they're ACC champions. And you know, I
think you just add now Virginia to a long list
of ACC teams that controlled their destiny to get to
Charlotte and didn't take advantage of I mean, you got
to start with you got to start with Miami, who
lost a couple of ACC games, you know, in the
in the middle of October, and they were probably the
most talented team. Now you know, for a later discussion,
they made the playoffs and and it worked out for him,
but they left it in the hands of the committee.
And then you go to little who lost two games
at home to Cal and Clemson unranked Georgia Tech. You know,
they had Pittsburgh at home in front of a sold
out crowd. All they had to do was win that
game and they're going to Charlotte. Didn't finish Pittsburgh at
home after beating Georgia Tech. You know, they had a
chance to have themselves in the mix SMU. You know
on the road at Cal they lose. I mean, all
of these teams had a chance, you know, to really
factor in there. I think pitt you know what, might
have needed some help, but the fact is they would
have been right there, and then Virginia on Saturday night
failing to come through, and there it was in the end,
Duke was a team that you know, took the opportunity
and you know ACC champions Darien Mensa, Many Manny Diaz.
I mean, they got they're gonna hang the banner. So
congratulations do for you know, going in there and taking
care of business when so many other teams just didn't.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's right.
Speaker 3: I think Miami hasn't taken care of business for twenty
one years, right, Jeff, Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean I mean when you when you when you
look at it, I mean, you know has a more
recent ACC title than Miami.
Speaker 3: I mean, I had to drop a bomb like that
because you know what I mean, I'm ranting a little
bit here now because I don't have a whole lot
of sympathy for Miami. I mean, having they needed to
have the committee give them some some sort of a
holiday gift, I'm gonna call it that right to get
into the to get into the field, right, And we
can argue the merits of, you know, whether they should
get in or not, but the fact remains that they
haven't been really what anybody expected when they came into
the ACC, and I think that's probably an understatement. And sure,
we're happy that they got in, and we'll talk about
that much more later. But it's been twenty one years
and they and they haven't won the ACC. And I
go and honestly, Jeff, I don't expect them to win
the ACC next year because you're gonna see a lot
of changes throughout the conference in terms of in terms
of the football teams. And I don't expect Miami to
win the ACC next year. And I'm standing here today.
Speaker 1: How was that? I hear you making a prediction for
next year today? And we're gonna have to talk about
that at the you know, at some point in the podcast,
whether whether the committee gifted Miami or whether they just
simply made the right decision, you know what.
Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, well, you know, I can see it from
both angles. They probably made the right decay. We'll get
that and we'll get there later.
Speaker 3: But you know, the fact that the fact is that
the fact is that Miami needed some help to get in.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that that's absolutely true, Matthew. I mean,
there's no question they were definitely the most talented team,
you know, in the A c C. And you know,
in the in the middle of the season, it looked
like they were on cruise control to get to Charlotte,
and you know, they slipped up at home to Louisville
and on the road at SMU and you know, it
did work out for him in the end, but they
could have took the decision out of the hands of
the committee. And when you look at it, you know,
this year, you know, a number of teams could have
took a lot of decision making out of the hands
of the of the committee, or you know, they could
have found themselves very much in Charlotte with a chance
to play for the championship. And you know, all the
way into the end until you got to Virginia, who
you know, you never know when you're going to have
another opportunity like this again to get to the playoffs.
Speaker 3: And you know, I'm sorry, Okay, well we'll go on here.
Speaker 2: That's pretty I own that. That was really good.
Speaker 3: Okay, So the thought your thoughts on the college football
playoffs selections, I think for my advantage point, you know,
as hard a time as they give Miami, and honestly,
it's well deserved. Nobody disagrees with me. After twenty one years,
you should win the ACC. You were brought to the
You were brought to the ACC to win football games.
They wanted Florida State, the decision makers, you know this
as well as I dud Jeff. They wanted Florida State
Miami to be in that ACC title game. Yeah, that
hasn't happened. So but the fact is that even though
I'm giving Miami a hard time here, I think that
they for the most part, got it right. And I
think it's at least in my opinion, Jeff as ps
that that anybody would be giving GMU a hard time,
And I'd say Jamie James Madison University for our listeners
who don't know that acronym, giving James Madison University a
hard time for getting in. Who is what I think
is well deserving of a well deserving of their playoff
spot as much as the as much as the you know,
the the SEC folks would say that, you know, we
should probably but you know six and six, you know,
mississip he said or whatever. I think they probably for
the most part made the right decision. But I want
to hear on the entrance, Jeff. But I want to
hear what you have to say.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I think that the that the field
is is mostly is mostly correct. I mean, even as
we are in a c C podcast, I don't think
anyone and I know many Diaz had to he had
to go to bad for his team, and he had
to make those statements, but I don't think anyone really
believed that. You know that Duke, you know, should have
got in over either of the G five teams to
Lane or James Madison and and and you won't hear
anyone say that. I mean, the fact is Duke had opportunities.
I mean they lost to tu Lane. I mean where
results based podcasts, and you know when when you're when
you go head to head and you lose, that kind
of takes everything out of the equation. And they lost
to Tulane and they lost to Yukon. They have two
G five losses. So you know, congratulations to Duke. You
know they are the deserving ACC champions. Whatever you think
of the tiebreaker format, but I don't think anyone has,
you know, any problem with the two G five teams
in there under the given rules. Now what you could see,
you know, the powers that be seem to really want
this closed off playoffs. That doesn't mean that there might
not be rule changes into the future which keeps this
from happening again. I don't think that's off the table,
which I think is a massive shame because the likelihood
of it happening is almost impossible. I mean, the sequence
of events that had to happen and for Duke to
win the title and have one a second G five
team in was was literally almost impossible. I mean, if
you're at the end of October, all of the stuff
that had to happen, all of the losses that had
to take place, plus Duke's own losses to get a
second G five team, and you know, it was it
was really you know, it was a lightning strike that
that occurred. But they earned their way in and I
think particularly Tulane, who I think is going to play
at Old Miss. I mean, I think Tulane has a
shot to compete at that game, especially with Lane Kiffen,
you know, being being out. I think James Madison, you know,
maybe a little overmatched at Oregon, but we saw him play,
you know, a pretty good Louisville team that was a
four quarter game that was really tight going into the
fourth quarter. I don't think it's out of the question.
I'd be surprised, yeah, but I don't think it's out
of the question that one of those two teams is
going to be in their playoff game with a chance
to win in the fourth quarter. We'll see, and congratulation
to them. They earned it and deserved it. If you're
looking at some of the other playoffs selections, Indiana, you know,
obviously number one seed, no problem there. They beat Ohio State.
Ohio State fall into two, Georgia three. Little bit surprised
Georgia didn't move past Ohio State, but it doesn't really matter,
you know, two or three. Texas Tech at four, you know,
I think that's definitely a fair That's a really talented
Texas Tech team. I mean, they're really good at the
line of scrimmage and wouldn't shock me at all if
Texas Tech, you know, wins a game or two. I'm
not sure they can get all the way and win
the national championship, but I mean if they get a
couple of breaks here or there with some matchups, think
it could happen. Texas Tech is a legit top five team,
then you know, good with Oregon a little surprise that
Old Miss stated, you know, I think they're six there
if I remember with the coaching changes. I mean, if
we're looking at past years, you know, loss of players
coaches seem to affect a loss more. But you know
it was wrong back then. Let's not double the error
and so you know, Ole Miss don't have a problem,
you know with them in the playoffs. Would have thought
they might have dropped a little bit. Then you look
at seventh Texas A and M one loss out of
the SEC, it's probably fine. Eight Oklahoma, that's probably reasonable too.
Now Here at nine with Alabama is where I started
to have a big problem. Alabama hasn't been This hasn't
looked like a playoff caliber team in over a month,
if we're being honest. It started with a struggle win
against a really bad South Carolina team. They struggled at home,
lost to Oklahoma. They struggled with a pretty bad Auburn
team just a couple of weeks ago, and somehow the
committee gave them credit for a close win over a
five victory Auburn team. And then they looked absolutely awful
against Georgia minus three rushing yards. Matthew, you and I
had more rushing yards against Georgia than Alabama did. So
how Alabama did? Yeah, I mean that did. I mean,
and we can't say like Georgia has been some kind
of dominant team the entire season, because just the week before,
you know, and let's be honest, a defensively challenged Georgia
Tech team helped Georgia sixteen points and had a chance
to tie that game on the final play. I mean,
they went toe to toe with Georgia and Georgia the
very next week later boat race Alabama. And there are
so many things wrong with having a team in a
championship game that doesn't even drop a couple spots. I mean,
I understand you don't want to penalize teams that make
their championship game if they're already in the playoffs. I mean,
that's understandable. And if Alabama would have lost the game
with a relatively close game, I'm totally in agreement with that.
But just like last year when SMU was getting boat
raced by Clemson, it was all over Twitter. People were
ready to drop SMU off of the play out of
the playoffs. Okay, they made a furious comeback lost by
a field goal. It kind of changed the narrative. That
didn't happen yesterday. Alabama was blown out. They were blown out,
and yes, they beat Georgia on the road. That was
earlier in That was earlier in the season. If they
were a playoff caliber team, you could argue that they were,
and they played great during a four or five game
stretch in the middle of the year. But this is
also a team that lost to Florida State. We know
Florida State well, they've won three ACC games in two years,
and Alabama lost by two touchdowns to them. And people
will say, well, Alabama's not you know, they're not a
They're a different team now than when they lost. They
looked exactly the same to me. They might have gotten
better in the middle part of the season, but they
ended up being the same team that couldn't run the
ball against four to State, couldn't run the ball against Georgia.
And if I'm Notre Dame who got left out of
the playoff, here's the problem. Notre Dame is spending a
whole lot of time complaining about the ACC and Miami, well,
Miami beat for Notre Dame. There's no argument there none.
I don't care how many metrics or whatever you want
to produce. The first tiebreaker is head to head, and
Notre Dame lost. The real gripe should be against Alabama,
who should not be in the field. I'm sorry, that
is not a playoff team and they shouldn't have been
in the field, and the committee shoehorned them in, just
like they've done a number of times in the past.
No program in college football has given more benefit of
the doubt than Alabama.
Speaker 3: Ad On a seconds said, does Notre Dame get in
if they're part of the ACC, because I think they
might if they're if they're part of the ACC. Yeah,
if they're part of the ACC, rather than being independent
and and bitching about the ACC, they have this sory.
If I've said, I've got I'm unusually snarky tonname. They
played with this one foot in the door approach, or
they like to play in the playground and the other sports,
but they're out here on their own in football. This
is perhaps the first year. Yeah, that's a great point.
I mean others have said it. You know, Notre Dame
is another program that's gotten a lot of benefit of
the doubt, and this is one of the first times
it didn't work out for him. If they were in
the ACC and they largely played an ACC schedule, they're
in the ACC championship most likely, and they're probably gonna
they probably a ninety chance that they're in the playoffs
if they're in the ACC. Yeah, we had worked against
him this time. And and you know, it's like you said,
even with Miami, I mean, when you lose games, you
take the decision, you put the decision in the hands
of the committee. And we all know that what happened
to Florida State two years ago was the snub by
which all snubs are compared to.
Speaker 1: I mean, I understand Notre Dame. It's like, well, for
six weeks we were ahead of Miami, and then on
the final day you flipped us. And that you know,
they're crying injustice.
Speaker 4: This that.
Speaker 1: We'll go back two years ago when Florida State was
in the playoff, won their championship by double digits over
a top fifteen Louisville team and dropped out of the playoff. Now, yeah,
this pales in comparison to that. But the fact of
the matter is Notre Dame should have been in the playoff.
Miami should have been in Alabama should have been the
team that left was left out. That's what I I think,
That's what I feel like should have happened. It didn't.
But without a question, Miami should have been in. You know,
if you're comparing Miami and Notre Dame, absolutely no question.
I watched that game back in August, and Notre Dame
running game was completely controlled by Miami. Miami was the
better team that night, and it was lucky it came
down to a field goal. And then it gets back
to you Kastrobel's, Mario Cristobaul's game management. He went really
conservative in that game in the last ten minutes and
let Notre Dame back into it. But making a mistake.
Miami was a considerably better team than Notre Dame on
that day. And I think if they played today, not
in October, but if they played again today, I would
take Miami.
Speaker 3: Fair enough, Jeff, fair enough. I ranted quite a bit
of back, but it is good that they're in, all right, Jeff,
who's winning Navy or Army? You got.
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: This game, You know, this is one of the great
traditions in college football, and it always seems like this
game comes down to a field goal. But Navy's got
a pretty stout team this year. They were nine and two.
They knocked off the G five darling that everyone was
looking at earlier in the year South Florida. So I mean,
going into it, I mean, I feel like Navy is
the better team, but it just has a way this
matchup of turning into a twenty one to seventeen type game.
And I think it's going to be that way again
with Navy coming out on top.
Speaker 3: I think you're right. But can I also say, I
mean Navy also beat Memphis. I mean, this is not
like a chopped liver sort of team, right, I mean
they sure they lost to Notre Dame, Sure they lost
in North Texas, but North Texas, of course was in
the AAC championship game. Maybe it was pretty damn good
this year.
Speaker 4: You know, they're definitely good. Absolutely, this is a team
I think that I mean. And the game's in Baltimore.
It's actually in Baltimore. All that place is gonna be packed, Jeff.
They had all the all that they're sating. They're gonna
send all the all, all the midshipmen from Annapolis are
gonna go over there, Jeff, And that place stadium was
just gonna be full of white ch white white uniforms.
Speaker 2: It's gonna be crazy. Jeff.
Speaker 3: I work along a couple Navy pre people in my
office and they're just like so excited for the game.
Speaker 2: Jeff.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's it's kind of fun to see, you know.
I'm sure we'll hear some banter all this week in
the office and it's kind of cool. And I'm looking
forward to that game, and I think that I think
a lot a lot of people in the country always
look forward to that game.
Speaker 2: So Jeff, you're up, buddy.
Speaker 1: All right, I'm gonna I'm gonna get this question out
of where you Matthew, because this is your area of expertise,
you know, Upsett City, NDSU taking the loss, really stunning
loss to Illinois State. What are your thoughts and then
give it give us your your feeling on the SCS
playoff pick.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 3: So here's the thing, right, Like the Fargo Dome was
not sold out for this game. I think a lot
of people in Fargo are kind of taking stuff for
granted because issue has been so good and that game
should have been sold out. That said, you're going to
become ready to play every week, and the Missouri Valley
has become a lot I would say, a lot like
the SEC. I mean, there were seven Missouri Valley football
teams that made the fc FCS field this year, Jeff,
and six of them then made it to the second round,
which is kind of amazing if you think about it, right,
I mean, that means that there were seven left in
that round to sixteen. So you go to the round
of the round of of the quarters, right, and you
still see you know, you see some you know they're
they're eighteen. They're eight teams left here. Right, you see
Illinois State taking on UC Davis. That's on the road.
You've got Montana State taken on Steven F.
Speaker 2: Austin.
Speaker 3: That game is up in. That game is up in
uh In Bozeman, Montana. Then you've got South Dakota taking
on Montana, and you take Villanova going on the road
to Tarleton Tarleton State. In most cases, Jeff, I'm probably
you know, Illinois State's coming in there, they're not even seated,
and they're going on the road to U SEE Davis.
Speaker 2: They have nothing to lose going on there.
Speaker 3: But you know, I feel like the Missouri Valley has
been as good as anybody. Their teams have been as
good as anybody's this year, and you see Davis better
be worried. They better take Illinois State seriously because they
put Illinois. I think you've watched it as you several times, Jeff.
I mean, in order to beat the champion, you gotta
be like the champion. That means you've got to have
a strong offensive and defensive line. You just got to
win up front.
Speaker 2: And the Illinois State's been doing that right, and so
do I am? I am?
Speaker 3: I do I feel like they can get the upset
up there at UC Davis. Probably not. I would be surprised,
but I would I would be surprised if they won.
But I think it's in the picture for the for
them to win out there. Montana State takes on Steven
f Austin. Montana State has this coach. His name is
Brent Vegan. He played at Central Valley High School in
North Dakota, and he was a senior at the time.
He is my sister's age and my sister was actually
a cheerleader for an opposing high school for the opposing
high school team when they played. When when she was
a cheerleader on the sideline for the opposing team that
he was on. He was Brent Vegan. If you know him,
he's six he's six'. Five but when he played At Central,
valley he was a three sport. Athlete he played, football
he played boys, basketball and he played. Track and he
had fifteen hundred points as a small forward at sixty.
Speaker 2: Five two thirty.
Speaker 3: Five AND i think he honestly could have played two
sports if he wanted to in, college, right because you're
if you're that, big sometimes you can play small forward
because you just take up a lot of. Space but
he was brought in as a linebacker AT indysu and
then he ended up, coaching and now he's coaching At
Montana state with the same sort of game plan THAT
indysu had had with this pro you, know the pro
style quarterback, right the just vicious offensive and defensive. Lines
AND i think right, now IF i had to pick right,
NOW i Take Montana state as my. Favorite the upset
that could happen this weekend is in the lower end
of the lower end of the bracket there With South
dakota going To. Mindanna montana better be ready to Play
South dakota because last Week.
Speaker 2: Mercers And.
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university is that. Right South dakota went down there and
won forty seven to, nothing and they all they they
shut down everything down. There Now i'll be fair. Here
montana is a different. Team they were the three seeds
in the overall. Bracket they've got a guy who was
what their head coach was at N lv at UN
lb and then came back To. Montana you, know SO I,
i you, KNOW i expect that to be a tough,
game BUT i wouldn't BE i actually think Think South
dakota can go in there. Win so then you've got
that last game there And Arleton state takes On, villanova
AND i Think, TARLTON i Think Tarleton, State, jeff is
one of those teams that's basically waiting a year or
two to go up TO fbs or something like, that
because it seems to me like every team In texas does.
That and you've got so much access to talent In
texas that you can get all your players. There so
that's kind of HOW i see it going. FORWARD i
Think South dakota has a very good chance to. WIN
i THINK i Think Carlton state will win PROBABLY Uc
davis And Montana, state BUT i Think Montana state Is,
honestly they're the best. TEAM i think they're the best team,
left AND i think they're gonna. WIN i think they're
gonna win THE fcs. Titles so that is my. Take so, Now,
jeff we're moving on TO Acc. Menzoop this is gonna
be our open microphone. Here there's lots of good news stories,
here And i'm gonna let you cook, Here. Jeff this
is our first open microphone, topic And i'm gonna feel
in as, Needed but we have a lot of a
lot of fucking a lot of really good stories about.
Speaker 1: A, yeah you you are absolutely, Right. Matthew you, Know
i'm not Really i'm not ready to say if this
is like a VINTAGE acc, year but it is absolutely
ere of feudable that the league is considerably better than
it has been the last couple of years if we started.
GOING i, MEAN i think right now you can already
say you can feel pretty comfortable of five teams already
looking like locks for THE ncaa, tournament and there's three
or four more that are starting to build resumes that
are going to be hard To. Deny so you're not
going to have the problem that we've had the last
couple of years where you, know you could only pick
up quality wins in THE acc if you Beat duke
or maybe one other. Team there's going to be multiple
opportunities for teams to pick UP q one wins in THE.
Acc if you're looking across the, COUNTRY i, MEAN i
would still say The big twelve probably has an edge
as a basketball league this. YEAR i, mean they've got
some really strong teams out. There arizona is, Fantastic Iowa
state just destroyed Per. DUE i might give them the
edge on, Depth but after, THAT i think THE acc
And big ten are running neck and. Neck there's as number,
two and they're DEFINITELY i know THE acc didn't win
THE ACC Sec, challenge BUT i WOULD i would put
THE acc ahead of THE sec. Overall THE sec is
just taking too many losses across the, board and THE
acc is definitely better at the. Top let's start With.
Duke they went on the road and won At Michigan,
state WHO i think is a legit top or six
or seven, Team and you, know people keep, saying, oh
and you, Know duke is just Boozer they're better than
they were last year in my, opinion because last year
With Cooper, flag it was like end of game. Situation you,
know here's the, Ball Cooper, flag do something create and you,
know didn't play well at the. Ends the talented as they,
were they were not that good at the end of
games against quality teams in close, matchups and and they're
finding ways to. Win they knocked Off florida And Michigan
STATE uh this, week and that road win super. Impressive
Duke duke is one of the best teams in college.
Basketball they're they're right up there With arizona And Michigan
louisville going on the road AND i think it was
a neutral side. Game Beating Indiana North carolina looked really.
Impressive and they still don't Have Seth. Tremble but you
know they go and take care Of georgetown and win
At reel In. Kentucky, Wow kentucky is a mess right.
Now you KNOW smu, today you, know knocked off a
really Solid TEXAS a AND m team at a neutral
side in. Overtime Cal they picked up a couple of
big wins in the past week or, so winning AGAINST U.
Speaker 2: C L.
Speaker 1: A then they knocked Off utah And. Virginia virginia has
been really impressive over the Last over the last couple of.
Weeks they got double digit wins At texas in THE
A C C Sec challenge and dominated that game from
start to, finish and then got another double digit win Over.
Dayton right, NOW i think those are your five teams
that they those look LIKE ncaa, Teams AND i have
a real hard time seeing any of those teams fall
off off of the. Pace and then you get past,
there and this is where there's still a lot of.
Depth and these are all teams THAT i think are
going to be. Able you, know there's three or four
more of these are gonna get into the. TOURNAMENT i
really believe That, clemson who already has a win over
a very Good georgia, Team Virginia. Tech you, know they
won on their challenge on the road At South. Carolina
uh you look At Notre. Dame WHEN i looked at,
you you know they. Won they Beat missouri one on
the road AT Tc you this past. WEEK i think
they're gonna Be they're gonna be a big problem to
deal with in the in the. League this, Year miami
has looked good at, Times Wake. FORESTS i, mean they
should have Beat. Michigan they Had michigan beat and you,
KNOW i think The deegs are going to be one
of those teams that they. Didn't they didn't get as
many non conference wins as they could, have but they're
definitely talented enough to make a run and they and
they finally did you, know get one of those conference
games they desperately needed by Beating West. Virginia you, KNOW
i was really disappointed in how they played Against oklahoma at.
Home but this is still a team that has wins Over.
Memphis West virginia Played michigan And Texas tech to a
one point. Loss SO i, mean if they can get
consistent play from their, team the, talent the talent is.
There and then there's still other teams that are wild.
Cards that's like N C, state who's a talented basketball
team but struggles. Defensively, syracuse you, know might be starting
to find themselves after they knocked Off. Tennessee stanford has
had some good, moments though they took a kind of
a bad loss today against UNLV. Uh so the league
has a lot of. Depth the only three teams there's
only three teams in the league THAT i, think you,
KNOW i have virtually no chance to make any kind
of run because they're just bad basketball. Teams and That's Georgia,
Tech Boston college And pitt and and And pitt knocked
Off Ohio state when they were. Undefeated BUT i think
by and, large you, know those three teams that are
going to be bringing up the rear In Florida state
just a little bit. Ahead BUT i, REALLY i know
you were positive on THE acc even early, on AND
i wanted to see some of the, games.
Speaker 5: SO i THINK i was very.
Speaker 2: Positive.
Speaker 5: JEFF i saw you were you, were you were really.
POSITIVE i saw what was going.
Speaker 3: On why you know THAT i ONCE i saw the
teams in The commonwealth Of virginia were getting, BETTER i
knew the whole picture would get.
Speaker 1: Better, Yeah AND i MEAN i had to tell YOU
i was like a step behind you. THERE i wasn't
ready quite to jump on UNTIL i started seeing the
results start to come. Through and and the results have
started to come.
Speaker 5: THROUGH i, MEAN i MEAN i Saw Virginia tech When Virginia.
Speaker 3: TECH i, mean you even saw this Past, saturday Past, saturday, Right,
Jeff do you know That Virginia tech has had ninety
points of bench scoring in like half of its last eight. Games,
YEAH i THINK i saw that On that's, crazy, RIGHT i,
mean who DOES i haven't seen. THAT i don't know
If i've ever seen that At. TECH i, mean it feels.
Crazy it feels crazy to. ME i was there watching
The Saint joe's game and they had thirty seven points
of bench scoring that. Night they had thirty Against South.
Carolina they had thirty five Against George. Mason George mason
is pretty good. Too that was a big win for The, hokies,
right that one at. Home George mason had come in there,
undefeated and it's pretty you, know it's and. There you
know a lot of people had. THAT i Think i've
seen them in the field in mock, brackets, Right so
that's that may turn out to be a you, know
a quad one sort of win For Virginia. Tech so
there's been some good, opportunity good opportunities. THERE i, MEAN
I i'm not ready TO i, MEAN i actually feel
like THE acc could get nine. Teams, Jeff i'm actually
sitting on. That, YEAH i THINK i think over, optimistic
but for, sure go. Ahead i'm, Sorry, NO I i.
Speaker 1: THINK i think YOU'RE i think you're right. ON i
think THE acc is going to be somewhere between eight
and eleven. Bids you, know there's still a whole month
of non conference basketball to go and and some more
opportunities for teams before they get into conference. Play BUT
i mean when you look At, DUKE, Smu, Louisville North,
carolina And virginia and you already see five teams that
look like they're gonna make THE NCAAs, TODAY i mean
you know that there's probably three or four more that
are going to have the. Resume AND i MEAN i
would almost Put clemson already in that. CATEGORY i, mean
they won one of the pre conference tournaments and if
they could steal a, win they got to PLAY byu
And Madison Square garden and they were on the road
At alabama and led very late in that game Against.
ALABAMA i, Mean i'm really close to saying there's already.
Six so we know that a couple more teams are
going to come out of the, woodwork like A Virginia
tech or A miami Or Notre. Dame and the league
is this is gonna be the BEST acc basketball we've
seen in quite a few, years maybe since twenty, nineteen
since PRE, covid it's been a long. Time this is
Deeply it absolutely.
Speaker 2: Is it absolutely, is and you know all.
Speaker 3: So you probably will know this better than, me but
from The clemson standpoint or from The Georgia tech. Standpoint But,
Jeff i've looked on the seat maps and there's maybe
fifty tickets left for the entire, year for the ENTIRE
acc season At Virginia. Tech that's pretty crazy on the, maps.
Speaker 5: On the seating. Maps so people are ready for people
are ready for.
Speaker 3: It you. Should you're gonna get Some you're gonna get
some teams that are gonna come Into castle and they're
they're gonna hear a, loud loud. Environment AND i probably
expect the same thing A Little.
Speaker 1: John, YEAH i Think Little john is gonna have a
lot of. EXCITEMENT i hate to say it About Georgia,
tech BUT i think for most games this, year it's
gonna be a. Morgue it's gonna look like A morgan.
Speaker 5: There there's not like THE Bc morgue though that's a special.
Speaker 3: MORGUE i THINK i joked ON i THINK i joked
On twitter once that it can be so quiet At
Boston college that like the players have to generate their
own enthusiasm and there because you can hear a pin,
drop you can hear a pin drop in that, place
and you have to you have you have to generate
your own, enthusiasm otherwise you can fall as fall. ASLEEP
i THINK i call it a hypnosis, zone a hypnosis
zone at the at the at THE conti Forrum and,
anyway here we, go, buddy open microphone, Time jeff number.
Speaker 5: TWO i, mean what do you? Got what do you?
Got what do you got for?
Speaker 2: Me?
Speaker 3: Jeff Because i'm telling YOU i kept saying it, before
don't you know when you're when your, Games, miami take
it out of the take it out of the community's.
Decision twenty one Years NO. Acc what's going, On, jeff
no A cc.
Speaker 1: Title, Well i'm gonna, Say i'm saying this Year miami
did The miami did their. Part they're the they're the
LONE acc in the in the in the, playoffs so
we're gonna give them credit for getting into the. Playoffs but,
yeah they controlled they they had the opportunity to control
their own. Destiny, yeah and then it almost got away from.
Them but thankfully the committee made the the right. Decision
so WHEN i get into the open, mic, Uh i'm,
Gonna i'm. Gonna you, KNOW i kind of already mentioned this.
Before Is Notre? DAME i mean? Goodn't it's? Gracious just
stop your. Whining you, know you could definitely make the point, about, Hey,
miami you left it up in the committee's. Hands it
almost didn't work out, Well Notre. Dame you did leave
it up in the hands of, committee and you lost
the game on the football. Field so take take your
gripe up With. Alabama but but stop worrying about THE
acc and And. Miami you went on the field you got. Dominated,
No i'll take that. Back it wasn't. Domination it was
a field goal. Game BUT i, mean anyone that watch
that game would come away think In miami was the better.
Team you, know you won a lot of games after,
that but you lost the two best teams you. Played
you lost The TEXAS a AND m and you lost To.
Miami one was ranked, seven one was ranked. Ten and
where does that put you that you put it in
the hands of the. Committee you Had TEXAS a AND
m at, home and your defense couldn't make a stop
the entire time and you mishandled an extra point and
you know you were in The National championship game last
year and you know next year you get to you
get to do it. Again but for this, year just you,
know stop stop the. Whining and if you got the,
whining you, know you, know go after THE. Sec you
want to complain about the. Ass there's even some people
printed like what's in this? Partnership you, KNOW i don't
know if if if there was a partnership with The
big ten or THE, sec if we're even having this.
DISCUSSION i, mean Does Notre dame go ten and two
if they're playing you, know if they Got georgia and
and you know all The Lane kiff and Ole miss
team on the schedule and instead Of. Syracuse you, KNOW i,
DON'T i don't. THINK i don't think, so you, know
AND i think they got. SHAFTED i, DO i really.
Do BUT i went through that before with what what
what they said About? Alabama when when you don't win
your games and you, say and this is, true even
what you said About. Miami this is not like a
few when it was one versus two and years ago
when an Undefeated auburn team got left out of playing
for the national. Championship you, know we're talking about teams
with two and three losses getting left. Out when you
lose that many, games you've put it in the hands
of the committees and you had your opportunity to play
your way in and you. DIDN'T i, mean the only
TEAM i think that really has a super legitimate gripe
over the last few years Was Florida, state who didn't
lose a. Game and LIKE i said, before that's the
snub that all snubs will, be you, know compared. Against
so you, Know Notre. Dame stop your. Whining you already
opted out of A, bowl which was you, know really.
Petty you know that was extremely petty to opt out
of The bowl. Game but you know that's what you.
Did you know, what just get better for next year
and maybe you won't have to worry about the committee
taking it in your. Hands you get you get to
Play miami at. HOME i think next, year maybe maybe
beat them.
Speaker 5: Next.
Speaker 1: Year, Jeff, YEAH i don't think Any you, know you're
you're totally, Right. Matthew if they'd have been in THE
acc they'd probably be in the. Playoff but that's one
THING i do have some respect About Notre. DAME i,
mean they're going to hold onto that. INDEPENDENCE i think
they would almost drop football before they joined a. CONFERENCE i,
mean they're gonna they're gonna stick to their guns on that. One.
Speaker 5: Absolutely.
Speaker 3: Absolutely we haven't had a chance to talk about, this
so this will be our closing part of the open. Microphone,
Jeff but, boy what do you think about what's happening
In Virginia tech right?
Speaker 5: Now wasn't?
Speaker 3: THAT i, mean the the recruiting was kind of, Honestly
jeff was. INSANE i didn't expect For Virginia tech was
sitting at one hundred and twenty five or something like
that and ended up closing with the twenty second best,
class And James franklin was there for like basically two.
Weeks that's pretty, sick, Right that's pretty. Crazy the other
thing is that he's bringing Back i'm sure you saw.
This it was confirmed today or maybe even last night
or early this. Morning he's bringing. Back he's Bringing Brent
prye in as his defensive, coordinator AND I i think
that's kind of cool in a. WAY i, MEAN i
think it shows THAT i mean they got, along they
worked together for. Years there's no bad blood it appears
Between Brent pry And Virginia.
Speaker 5: Tech what are your thoughts on all. That i'm just.
Speaker 1: CURIOUS i, Mean James franklin did a fantastic job closing
out that class For Virginia tech and having, it you,
know finished really. STRONG i, mean if that's what he
did in two, weeks he's probably pulling in the top
fifteen class for next. Year AND i mean everybody thought
that observes college football that this was a home run
higher AND i mean the early returns are just as
we we. THOUGHT i think it, is you, know pretty
a pretty neat thing that he's Bringing Brent pry back
To Virginia. Tech and you, know that's good On Virginia
tech to really Give James franklin the flexibility to put
together the staff he wants to put. Together if he
thinks That Brent price is his best option that defensive,
coordinator then that's good On Virginia tech to, say, Hey James,
FRANKLIN i know he was our head coach and we
let him, go but if he's willing to take the,
job you just, go you go for. It and you,
Know Brent priye obviously feels comfortable With. Franklin franklin feels
comfortable with. HIM i know they got a long, history you,
know rough season At Virginia. Tech BUT i don't. THINK
i think the good times are not far. OFF i,
mean the guy can. Coach there's no, cloud there's no
doubt about.
Speaker 3: It And i'm excited about next. YEAR i, MEAN i
Think Virginia virginia is going to have more wins than
they had this. YEAR i think THEY i, think you,
know some of these FUN i, Know i'm listened to
some of my rose colored Glass hokies and they're, saying you,
know eleven and, one, like, YEAH i don't Think Virginia
tech is going to be.
Speaker 5: Eleven and one next.
Speaker 1: YEAR i don't know about that now.
Speaker 3: Certainly but they're certainly, good but they're certainly they certainly
have a chance at eight wins next, year seven or eight.
Wins AND i and AND i only say, That, jeff
because wait till the transfer portal opens and who else comes.
In he may take half of he may take all
Of Penn state's roster except for maybe their, quarterback, right
the one that kind of consistently. Underperformed and you, know
so you know here we, are, RIGHT i, Mean i'm
looking forward to seeing, that you, know seeing what the
world looks like with the foot you, know with the
football team that everybody's excited about because it's been man
after THAT odu, Game, JEFF i was, like what the
hell is happening?
Speaker 5: Here right after.
Speaker 3: After seeing The hokies get worked off the worked off
the board By Ricky rons, team which just so happened
to be his offensive coordinator up in you, Know James,
James James franklin's offensive coordinator up AT, odu right that
the one that was Offense. Dight it's all, crazy you,
know but a new world we all live, in and
it's pretty you, know it's pretty pretty. Cool SO i
think we think we're going to see certainly some better
football coming out Of. Blacksburg And i'm. Excited i'm excited
about the future and just several fronts And i'm, surprised and, Honestly,
Jeff i'm surprised that we Have babcock got it. RIGHT
i honestly have to give it to, him. RIGHT i,
mean now he probably had some Major i'll be, fair,
right who was leading up the, Search Jeff bruce ariots
that probably a better person the leads to certainly the search.
Speaker 5: Up probably.
Speaker 3: RIGHT i sound terrible saying, this but you, know at
least at least he had some help this, time you,
Know AND i mean you've heard me talk about, It,
jeff about investment and about talking to the board of
business and how you need to increase nil For man's,
basketball and how you need to increase investment in. Football
he probably got tired of reading My twitter, Comments. Jeff
Now i'm kidding WHEN i say, that of, course But,
jeff this is.
Speaker 1: It.
Speaker 3: Man have a great, week and thank you for having
fun with me on The All Sports DISCUSSION acc.
Speaker 5: Podcast we'll do it again next.
Speaker 1: Week all, right have a great, Week.
Speaker 5: Matthew all, right take, care, buddy