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<v Speaker 1>The Team House with your hopes. Jack Murphy and David Park. Hello, folks,

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<v Speaker 1>welcome to episode three hundred and ninety one of The

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<v Speaker 1>Team House. I'm Jack Murphy here with tonight's guest Hailey Gibbons.

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<v Speaker 1>We're really excited to have on the show first female

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<v Speaker 1>Army ranger. As I was describing to Haley before the show,

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<v Speaker 1>we didn't even have them when I was in That's

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<v Speaker 1>how old I am. So this is a new thing.

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<v Speaker 1>We're all adapting. But no, in all seriousness, I'm really

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<v Speaker 1>excited to have Haley on the show today. She went

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<v Speaker 1>to West Point, she served in conventional units, she served

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<v Speaker 1>in the Ranger regiment, did all this different stuff. Was

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<v Speaker 1>one of the early you know, it sounds like one

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<v Speaker 1>of the first women that attended Ranger school actually or

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<v Speaker 1>went down that pipeline. So, Haley, thank you for joining

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<v Speaker 1>us on the show tonight.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course, I'm excited to be here, and I did

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<v Speaker 2>to get to know you a little bit better and

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<v Speaker 2>talk about stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Absolutely, so let's talk a little bit. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>this is a very like I'm sure we'll talk about it,

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<v Speaker 1>but this is like a very i mean, let's face it,

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<v Speaker 1>it's an unconventional path for a woman to take in

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<v Speaker 1>our society even today, And I'm just kind of curious,

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<v Speaker 1>what was it that sort of led you towards military

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<v Speaker 1>service and in an elite unit at that What was

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<v Speaker 1>it about you that kind of or your life that

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<v Speaker 1>sort of led you in that direction.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so very very different, very unique.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean not that a lot of women identify to

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<v Speaker 2>this story kind of. I am the youngest of three daughters.

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<v Speaker 2>I was born and raised in Bellingham, Washington. Not familiar

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<v Speaker 2>with military really at all growing up. And when it

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<v Speaker 2>came time to figure out what college or I wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to go to, I was slipping through those like big

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<v Speaker 2>college books. And my middle sir, who's a brainiac. She's

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<v Speaker 2>an aeronautical engineer, astronautical an engineer, just like insanely smart.

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<v Speaker 3>I was more of the jock of the family.

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<v Speaker 2>She was. I like, saw West Point and I was like, Oh,

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<v Speaker 2>this is so cool. They get a workout every day.

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<v Speaker 3>I want to go. I want to get six pack.

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<v Speaker 3>This is gonna be awesome.

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<v Speaker 2>And my sister she was like, Heyley, you won't be

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<v Speaker 2>able to get in. And just like many youngest siblings,

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<v Speaker 2>many women with chips on their shoulder. That's all motivation

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<v Speaker 2>I needed to apply with the support of my parents.

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<v Speaker 2>They were like shocked, but my dad was like, let's go.

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<v Speaker 2>This is awesome. I'm here to support it. So it

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<v Speaker 2>was the only college I applied to, which is very

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<v Speaker 2>Lindsay Danilac, who you talk to that this is kind

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<v Speaker 2>of the same story as her, So very odd. But

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<v Speaker 2>got in and went to West Point. It was definitely

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<v Speaker 2>a culture shock. I called it a command sergeant major sir.

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<v Speaker 2>So that was like the first time I was really

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<v Speaker 2>screamed at. I'll never forget it. But I loved it.

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<v Speaker 2>I loved the physicality of it. I loved the team

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<v Speaker 2>aspect of the military because growing up I played competitive

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<v Speaker 2>soccer basketball. TRAP have always been on a team, so

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<v Speaker 2>falling into that in my college years is actually perfect

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<v Speaker 2>for me and I loved it.

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<v Speaker 1>And so West Point, if I recall correctly, I was

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<v Speaker 1>enlisted nug there's a mandatory like engineering degree the easiest ones.

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<v Speaker 2>There's like nuclear engineering, structural engineering, and I chose Systems engineering,

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<v Speaker 2>which is kind of like operations and that kind of

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<v Speaker 2>fits how my brain works. I commissioned as a Lotus station,

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<v Speaker 2>which the system's background really helped in My degree was business,

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<v Speaker 2>so very general. But one thing I knew I wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to have out after the Army was to have options.

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<v Speaker 2>And that was like another thing, a motivating thing that

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<v Speaker 2>I wanted to go to West Point four or was

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<v Speaker 2>to know that I would have options, and like the

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<v Speaker 2>West Point network is like top of the line, best

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<v Speaker 2>of the best once you're in the civilian world. So

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<v Speaker 2>I kind of have a little bit of foresight, I

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<v Speaker 2>guess in choosing that path. But it was business and system.

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<v Speaker 1>Engineering, and two sports are mandatory, right A sport, I

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<v Speaker 1>think a sport Okay, yes.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So, like I said, I was an athlete, always

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<v Speaker 2>have been, still am. And during our summer training there

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<v Speaker 2>was a thing called open athletics. So during our like

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<v Speaker 2>basic training BEAST, I don't know what the acronym stands for,

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<v Speaker 2>but they would call it BEAST. You were allowed to

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<v Speaker 2>go like play football with the football team and all

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<v Speaker 2>the recruits, go play basketball with the basketball team and

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<v Speaker 2>all the recruits. And as a soccer player, I went

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<v Speaker 2>to the soccer team with the soccer girls. And I'm fast,

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<v Speaker 2>I have a motor. I outwork most people. And when

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<v Speaker 2>we were doing the conditioning drills. A soccer coach was

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<v Speaker 2>like pulled me aside and she was like, Heyley, I

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<v Speaker 2>know you're not a recruit, but if you keep pushing

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<v Speaker 2>these girls like you did, there's a spot for you

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<v Speaker 2>on the team. So I was able to walk onto

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<v Speaker 2>the soccer team freshman year. I did get kicked off

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<v Speaker 2>at the end of that year, but that's okay. Later

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<v Speaker 2>on I joined the cheer team with my best friend Jasmine.

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<v Speaker 2>So the last two years I cheered for West Point,

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<v Speaker 2>so I got to travel to all the games. We

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<v Speaker 2>were basically like celebrities. It was awesome falling around the

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<v Speaker 2>football team. We would go to the Pentagon cheer for

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<v Speaker 2>all the Pentagon people. It was very cool, very unique. Also,

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<v Speaker 2>not a lot of people know that the army team

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<v Speaker 2>has cheerleaders.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, no, I didn't know that. Any funny stories about

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<v Speaker 1>West Point about getting demerits or any other funny stuff

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<v Speaker 1>that happened during your time there.

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<v Speaker 3>So not really funny. Kind of retrospective actually.

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<v Speaker 2>So one of the reasons why I got kicked off

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<v Speaker 2>the soccer team was I got in trouble and a

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<v Speaker 2>freshman year it was for something academic. I didn't cite

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<v Speaker 2>a paper properly, and when I was confronted with it,

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<v Speaker 2>I fully admitted it. I was like, yeah, I used

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<v Speaker 2>that person's map overlay for my PowerPoint and I.

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<v Speaker 3>Got in trouble.

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<v Speaker 2>I had to do a like big board, and end

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<v Speaker 2>of freshman year I was deemed a six month turnback.

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<v Speaker 2>So all throughout West Point I had that just like

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<v Speaker 2>looming over me. And I didn't even tell my parents,

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<v Speaker 2>so I was just like suffering in silence. But I

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<v Speaker 2>was damned if I wasn't going to graduate with my class,

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<v Speaker 2>because half the reason that you go to West Point

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<v Speaker 2>is to throw your hat in the air, like this

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<v Speaker 2>photo right there, like you need that photo.

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<v Speaker 3>And so I was like, I'm not going to not

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<v Speaker 3>get that photo.

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<v Speaker 1>What is that term six month throwback? What does that mean?

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<v Speaker 2>So it means you have to stay at west Point

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<v Speaker 2>for six more months after your class graduates, So it's

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<v Speaker 2>like turnback almost or like super senior.

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<v Speaker 3>And I was I was embarrassed. I was ashamed.

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<v Speaker 2>It like wasn't who I identified as, like as a

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<v Speaker 2>December grad. And so I worked so hard the next

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<v Speaker 2>three years to get reinstated with my class, and I

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<v Speaker 2>did a bunch of stuff and it all kind of

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<v Speaker 2>worked out because that's when I found out I was

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<v Speaker 2>really good at doing like tactical things. I joined the

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<v Speaker 2>Sandhurst team to kind of brown nose to my like

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<v Speaker 2>NCOs that are in charge of me.

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<v Speaker 3>The major that was my tack. I and Sandhurst is.

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<v Speaker 2>Like a military competition that you do with a bunch

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<v Speaker 2>of colleges.

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<v Speaker 3>The Sandhurst College.

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<v Speaker 2>Over in England comes over and it's a like a

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<v Speaker 2>weekend long competition. You're rocking, you're shooting, you're one rope bridging,

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<v Speaker 2>you're land navvying, all this stuff. And that was like

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<v Speaker 2>my first real competitiveness towards military things and I was

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<v Speaker 2>successful at it.

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<v Speaker 3>So that's kind of like my.

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<v Speaker 2>Trouble story but not very funny, but it helped identify

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<v Speaker 2>some skill sets that definitely.

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<v Speaker 3>Helped me later on in life.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, definitely, I mean teaching you some of the perseverance

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<v Speaker 1>that you needed later on, for sure.

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<v Speaker 3>Absolutely.

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<v Speaker 1>So graduate from west Point and then what's the next

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<v Speaker 2>So I graduated from West Point and I commissioned as

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<v Speaker 2>a transportation officer. I was very logistic, system minded, and

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<v Speaker 2>that was my first choice.

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<v Speaker 3>I was so excited.

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<v Speaker 2>And when you commission as a transportation officer, you go

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<v Speaker 2>down to Fort Lee. I commissioned in twenty fourteen, and

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<v Speaker 2>that was before women were allowed in combat arms. If

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<v Speaker 2>I was allowed to go to combat a combat arms branch,

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<v Speaker 2>probably would have done infantry, just because I found great

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<v Speaker 2>success in tactics Physically fit, I was ranked very high

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<v Speaker 2>in our class physically and militarily.

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<v Speaker 3>Academically not so much. But that's okay.

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<v Speaker 1>But uh, ranger material, what was that ranger material?

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<v Speaker 3>Exactly?

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly A tough ranger, strong ranger, not the smart one.

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<v Speaker 2>But I went to Fort Lee and that's where the

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<v Speaker 2>Logistics schoolhouse is, and that's where I learned all about

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<v Speaker 2>being a transportation officer, which was really cool. And I

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<v Speaker 2>that was in the summer of twenty fourteen, and that's

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<v Speaker 2>kind of right around when women were allowed to go

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<v Speaker 2>to Ranger school, and of course I wanted to go.

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<v Speaker 3>I knew I could.

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<v Speaker 2>I always looked upon the ranger tab is something that

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<v Speaker 2>like I knew I could have and I knew I

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<v Speaker 2>could achieve, and.

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<v Speaker 3>I wanted that record.

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<v Speaker 2>I wanted like when you walk in the door, people

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<v Speaker 2>see that tab and they're like, okay, awesome, and we

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<v Speaker 2>like Fort Lee.

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<v Speaker 3>They put together like a.

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<v Speaker 2>Pre Ranger pt situation in the morning, So I went, I.

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<v Speaker 3>Tried out for it.

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<v Speaker 2>I got a slot, and so every morning I would

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<v Speaker 2>be doing like hard PTE with all the guys that

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to go to Ranger School. So out of Transportation Bullock.

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<v Speaker 2>At the end of the day, none of us got slots.

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<v Speaker 2>We would have to go to our units. And then

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<v Speaker 2>so after six months at Fort Lee, I went down

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<v Speaker 2>to Fort Hood and served in the forty nine Transportation

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<v Speaker 2>Battalion in a Expeditionary Sustainment Command.

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<v Speaker 3>So that's where I was, and.

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<v Speaker 2>That's kind of where I got my first slot or

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<v Speaker 2>try at Ranger School.

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<v Speaker 1>And what was so twenty fifteen, I mean ten years

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, what was that sort of that process like

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it was interesting. I mean I was a dumb,

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<v Speaker 2>clueless lieutenant. I had no idea about what a school's

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<v Speaker 2>MCO was, what an ATAR slot is. So I did

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<v Speaker 2>a dumb thing and my friend was like, oh, Haley,

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<v Speaker 2>you're having trouble. Just email the guy in charge of

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<v Speaker 2>MCOE at Fort Benning and MCOE is Maneuver Center of Excellence,

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<v Speaker 2>which is like the main command at Fort Benning. So

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<v Speaker 2>Butterbar Haley emails the three star general at MCOE and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like.

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<v Speaker 3>Hey, sir, I'm trying to get a slot at ranger school.

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<v Speaker 2>And luckily General Miller is really good friends with my

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<v Speaker 2>my lieutenant years. I performed well, but I wanted to

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<v Speaker 2>So I spent about two more years at Forthood.

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<v Speaker 3>I was in a movement control team.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like a very weird first unit to be and

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<v Speaker 2>lot of Yeah, it's a lot of weird first assignments

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<v Speaker 2>and a weird first look at the military. I had

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<v Speaker 2>like how they fit. It was like very weird in

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<v Speaker 2>the logistics world for me to like grasp the big army.

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<v Speaker 2>And I really had no idea about range regiment at

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<v Speaker 2>the time either. But I finished my time at Fort Hood,

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<v Speaker 2>I go back to Fort Lee, I do six months

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<v Speaker 2>of Captain's career course and then I go to Korea.

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<v Speaker 2>And at that time, it was about year four in

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<v Speaker 2>my army contract. And had a great time in Korea.

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<v Speaker 3>I was a what was the job?

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<v Speaker 2>I was the logistics liaison to the Korean Army, so

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<v Speaker 2>I got to work directly with the Korean Army headquarters.

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<v Speaker 2>And I was at Camp youngen At, which is like

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<v Speaker 2>a very small detachment, and I got to live in

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<v Speaker 2>the city. I was in charge of all the people there.

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<v Speaker 2>I got to travel a bunch. I was like fully

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<v Speaker 2>immersed in the Korean culture. So it was an amazing

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<v Speaker 2>experience one that I like. When I found out I

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<v Speaker 2>can't go graze school. But it was definitely awesome and

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<v Speaker 2>a great year. And then I went to Fort Lewis

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<v Speaker 2>after that, and I was like this is perfect. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>from Washington, I'll get out of my I'll get out

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<v Speaker 2>of the Army at five years in my home state,

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<v Speaker 2>Like it couldn't be more perfect.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, this was sort of like a big decision

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<v Speaker 2>Then yeah, yeah, and all along I was like, I

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<v Speaker 2>can't wait to get out of the Army. This is

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<v Speaker 2>going to be amazing. The minute my feet like improcessed

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<v Speaker 2>second Brigade Support Battalion and to two I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>here's my FRAD paperwork, take it please, and my REFRAD.

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<v Speaker 3>So refrat is request from active duty.

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<v Speaker 2>And since I completed my five years, I was able

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<v Speaker 2>to get out and go do whatever I wanted.

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<v Speaker 3>I submitted the packet, I had my like ets Lea.

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<v Speaker 2>Then I was doing hiring our heroes and had like

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<v Speaker 2>a Nike internship lined up down in Beaverton, organ So

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<v Speaker 2>it was gonna be awesome. But when my refrad paperwork

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<v Speaker 2>was processing, they were like, okay, Hayley, go up to

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<v Speaker 2>the brigade headquarters and go help out the four shop

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<v Speaker 2>up there. We'll get someone else who needs a KD

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<v Speaker 2>like Katie time in the VSB.

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<v Speaker 3>And so I was like okay, sure, So I go

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<v Speaker 3>up to.

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<v Speaker 2>The brigade staff, and that's where I met my like

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<v Speaker 2>one of my favorite people, Major Gillian Burke. She was

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<v Speaker 2>the Brigade S four, a West Point grad, just a

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<v Speaker 2>fierce of a leader and just a woman so intelligent.

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<v Speaker 2>And this is like the first time I ever had

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<v Speaker 2>a mentor in the Army, which is wild, Like five

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<v Speaker 2>years in never really had a mentor. Granted I don't

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<v Speaker 2>think I like sought hard enough for one, but I

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<v Speaker 2>didn't know the importance of mentorship then.

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<v Speaker 3>And she told me, Hayley, are you sure you don't want.

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<v Speaker 2>To stay in like we need someone to take a

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<v Speaker 2>company command of this FSC like they're hurting and we

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<v Speaker 2>need someone. And I'm like, yes, ma'am, I'm good. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't want to do it. But I just kept seeing

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<v Speaker 2>how important she made logistics in a brigade operation. Like

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<v Speaker 2>she would walk into the the S three like conference room,

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<v Speaker 2>everyone would stop and look at Major Burk Okay, Joe,

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<v Speaker 2>what are we doing? Which is rare for someone for

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<v Speaker 2>a brigade staff to look at a logistiction for the answers.

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<v Speaker 2>But she was just brilliant at her job. She knew

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<v Speaker 2>exactly what needed to be done. She knew where to

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<v Speaker 2>get all the resources and how to connect them and

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<v Speaker 2>how to create the lethality and the execution needed for

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<v Speaker 2>the commander's end state. So it was just very cool

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<v Speaker 2>to see. And I was like, dang, maybe I do

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<v Speaker 2>want to stay in. Like she's that ass. This is awesome.

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<v Speaker 2>And so I remember I was running one day and

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<v Speaker 2>I picked up my cell phone while I was running

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<v Speaker 2>and I called her and I'm like, okay, ma'am, I

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<v Speaker 3>Was like, this is awesome.

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<v Speaker 2>So even though my packet was already approved to with HQDA,

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<v Speaker 1>mind you wanted to sort of be like the Gi Jane,

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<v Speaker 1>But those avenues weren't totally open or like you said,

425
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<v Speaker 1>like maybe if you had a mentor that came from

426
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<v Speaker 1>that world, maybe it would be a little bit different.

427
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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I think.

428
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<v Speaker 2>So I wouldn't say like I wanted to be the

429
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<v Speaker 2>Gi Jane. I just know I hadn't reached my full potential, right,

430
00:23:32.720 --> 00:23:39.160
<v Speaker 2>and I wasn't brave enough at the time to like

431
00:23:40.079 --> 00:23:44.359
<v Speaker 2>speak it or to like create that space for myself

432
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<v Speaker 2>to grow in. I just kind of took what was

433
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<v Speaker 2>handed to me, and I was like, Okay, yeah, let's whatever.

434
00:23:49.200 --> 00:23:52.400
<v Speaker 2>We'll make the best of the situation. Grow where you're planted.

435
00:23:52.799 --> 00:23:58.759
<v Speaker 2>But I didn't really seek the potential that I knew

436
00:23:58.759 --> 00:24:01.720
<v Speaker 2>I could like do, and I would always, like I said,

437
00:24:01.720 --> 00:24:03.640
<v Speaker 2>I would look at the Ranger tab and I would

438
00:24:03.640 --> 00:24:05.680
<v Speaker 2>always be envious of it because you walk into a

439
00:24:05.759 --> 00:24:08.279
<v Speaker 2>room and you get that instant credibility. And then when

440
00:24:08.319 --> 00:24:11.759
<v Speaker 2>I went and took a company command, all the fellow

441
00:24:12.000 --> 00:24:16.079
<v Speaker 2>all my other company commanders, they were all lieutenants and

442
00:24:16.160 --> 00:24:19.279
<v Speaker 2>Range Regiment and so they had that scroll and I

443
00:24:19.400 --> 00:24:22.079
<v Speaker 2>was like, wait, what's that And they're like, Hayley, you're

444
00:24:22.119 --> 00:24:24.720
<v Speaker 2>an idiot. It's sent me for the Range Regiment. Da

445
00:24:24.799 --> 00:24:27.200
<v Speaker 2>da da Dadah, we're the coolest because we were lieutenants there,

446
00:24:27.359 --> 00:24:31.079
<v Speaker 2>like get with the picture. And then that's kind of

447
00:24:31.079 --> 00:24:33.160
<v Speaker 2>like when I saw that and I was like, oh, no,

448
00:24:33.839 --> 00:24:37.519
<v Speaker 2>that's what I want. I want people to like know

449
00:24:37.759 --> 00:24:43.039
<v Speaker 2>that I can do something. And as as superficial as

450
00:24:43.039 --> 00:24:45.480
<v Speaker 2>it is, I mean, I have a ranger tab right

451
00:24:45.519 --> 00:24:49.920
<v Speaker 2>above me, Like as superficial as those like visual markers are,

452
00:24:50.079 --> 00:24:51.720
<v Speaker 2>they do carry such weight.

453
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<v Speaker 1>It represented the thing that you wanted to do in

454
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<v Speaker 1>the army.

455
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<v Speaker 3>All along, right, Yeah, absolutely.

456
00:25:00.599 --> 00:25:03.839
<v Speaker 1>So first you got to go and do company command time.

457
00:25:05.640 --> 00:25:06.920
<v Speaker 1>So what was that like?

458
00:25:08.400 --> 00:25:09.839
<v Speaker 3>Oh, company command.

459
00:25:09.839 --> 00:25:12.359
<v Speaker 2>Everyone says it's the best job in the army, and

460
00:25:13.000 --> 00:25:14.240
<v Speaker 2>I think they're lying.

461
00:25:14.319 --> 00:25:18.359
<v Speaker 3>I definitely think they're lying. I I learned a lot

462
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<v Speaker 3>about myself.

463
00:25:19.119 --> 00:25:22.000
<v Speaker 2>I learned how I didn't want to lead, and I

464
00:25:22.119 --> 00:25:26.480
<v Speaker 2>learned that there's always room for growth. I was a

465
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<v Speaker 2>company commander, ford support company in an infantry battalion in

466
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<v Speaker 2>a striker brigade combat team. So my company was always moving.

467
00:25:35.400 --> 00:25:40.759
<v Speaker 2>There was like never a like maintenance thing that wasn't happening,

468
00:25:40.920 --> 00:25:43.880
<v Speaker 2>fuel thing that wasn't happening. We were always running and

469
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<v Speaker 2>gunning and helping to support our.

470
00:25:46.519 --> 00:25:48.720
<v Speaker 3>Guys and so it was our team.

471
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<v Speaker 2>It was. It was an awesome job and like very

472
00:25:53.319 --> 00:25:57.160
<v Speaker 2>like we were in the weeds of it. But I

473
00:25:57.640 --> 00:26:00.160
<v Speaker 2>learned so much about myself and I'm not really that

474
00:26:00.279 --> 00:26:04.079
<v Speaker 2>proud of how I like looking back on it. I

475
00:26:04.680 --> 00:26:06.799
<v Speaker 2>definitely like, Hailey, you could have done a lot better.

476
00:26:07.640 --> 00:26:09.880
<v Speaker 2>You could have been that leader that they needed, but

477
00:26:11.440 --> 00:26:15.200
<v Speaker 2>uh I, I just didn't know any any better. I think,

478
00:26:15.519 --> 00:26:25.480
<v Speaker 2>uh I definitely yelled a fair share. I'm so sorry

479
00:26:25.480 --> 00:26:42.559
<v Speaker 2>about that. I one second. Uh I even during my

480
00:26:43.720 --> 00:26:46.200
<v Speaker 2>change of command, like getting out of company cammand and

481
00:26:46.279 --> 00:26:48.799
<v Speaker 2>my my Battalian command was like, yeah, Haley, she can,

482
00:26:49.559 --> 00:26:52.559
<v Speaker 2>she can. Really, Uh I don't want to say yell

483
00:26:52.599 --> 00:26:54.079
<v Speaker 2>at people. Every what he said, he said it way

484
00:26:54.079 --> 00:27:01.720
<v Speaker 2>more eloquently, but yeah, and and instead of leading the

485
00:27:01.759 --> 00:27:04.039
<v Speaker 2>way I wanted to, I was just kind of fighting,

486
00:27:04.319 --> 00:27:07.920
<v Speaker 2>fighting for fighting for air at that point. And I

487
00:27:08.000 --> 00:27:11.319
<v Speaker 2>was being selfish too, because I knew early on in

488
00:27:11.319 --> 00:27:14.319
<v Speaker 2>my company command time that I wanted to go to

489
00:27:14.440 --> 00:27:18.039
<v Speaker 2>range a regiment, wanted to go to ranger school. Whether

490
00:27:18.160 --> 00:27:20.920
<v Speaker 2>or not I got selected for a ranger regiment, I

491
00:27:20.960 --> 00:27:23.680
<v Speaker 2>was still going to go to ranger school just to

492
00:27:23.759 --> 00:27:25.440
<v Speaker 2>kind of prove to myself that I can do it.

493
00:27:25.559 --> 00:27:30.240
<v Speaker 2>But company command, you learned so much about yourself and

494
00:27:30.720 --> 00:27:32.720
<v Speaker 2>you try your best to support your soldiers.

495
00:27:33.799 --> 00:27:36.079
<v Speaker 3>It's in company command.

496
00:27:36.079 --> 00:27:39.279
<v Speaker 2>If you're not an empathetic leader, like you're you're not

497
00:27:39.599 --> 00:27:43.839
<v Speaker 2>doing doing it right because you're leading your soldiers. It's

498
00:27:43.920 --> 00:27:47.519
<v Speaker 2>their lives, whether or not you're deployed in a combat

499
00:27:47.599 --> 00:27:52.400
<v Speaker 2>zone or just in garrison. And like it was just

500
00:27:52.440 --> 00:27:55.759
<v Speaker 2>so hard, especially like having to say no when a

501
00:27:55.839 --> 00:27:58.640
<v Speaker 2>soldier wanted to go to their grammar's funeral. I was like,

502
00:27:58.680 --> 00:28:01.119
<v Speaker 2>I can't leave for my I'm so sorry, and like

503
00:28:01.359 --> 00:28:03.400
<v Speaker 2>all I wanted to do is like buy the plane

504
00:28:03.400 --> 00:28:07.480
<v Speaker 2>ticket for them to go. So as as a very

505
00:28:07.480 --> 00:28:09.119
<v Speaker 2>empathetic person, it was very hard for me.

506
00:28:09.960 --> 00:28:13.559
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean I can see that long days and

507
00:28:13.759 --> 00:28:16.039
<v Speaker 1>did you you do? Did you deploy with that unit?

508
00:28:17.559 --> 00:28:20.039
<v Speaker 3>No? We did, uh not deploy.

509
00:28:20.119 --> 00:28:22.839
<v Speaker 1>No, But you're you're just busy like j r X

510
00:28:22.920 --> 00:28:24.440
<v Speaker 1>and all those kinds of exercises.

511
00:28:25.839 --> 00:28:27.559
<v Speaker 3>NTC j r C.

512
00:28:28.079 --> 00:28:33.160
<v Speaker 2>We planned two Pacific Pathway missions and that was really cool,

513
00:28:34.240 --> 00:28:37.319
<v Speaker 2>dealing with like foreign nations coordinating all that supply stuff

514
00:28:37.319 --> 00:28:40.680
<v Speaker 2>and logistics. That was a very cool, uh thing that

515
00:28:40.720 --> 00:28:41.279
<v Speaker 2>I got to do.

516
00:28:41.319 --> 00:28:42.759
<v Speaker 3>But no, I didn't.

517
00:28:42.519 --> 00:28:45.880
<v Speaker 1>Deploy all right, So on that note, biggest lesson from

518
00:28:45.960 --> 00:28:48.279
<v Speaker 1>company command time, what would you want to tell your

519
00:28:48.279 --> 00:29:00.839
<v Speaker 1>younger self be patient, tactical patients. Yes, so as your

520
00:29:01.119 --> 00:29:04.359
<v Speaker 1>company command time winds down, it sounds like it was

521
00:29:04.400 --> 00:29:06.960
<v Speaker 1>probably a bit of a relief after you know, eighteen

522
00:29:07.000 --> 00:29:12.000
<v Speaker 1>hour days for a couple of years. But you had

523
00:29:12.000 --> 00:29:14.240
<v Speaker 1>wanted to go to Ranger school all along, but now

524
00:29:14.240 --> 00:29:16.680
<v Speaker 1>you also have this, you know, idea about going to

525
00:29:16.680 --> 00:29:19.880
<v Speaker 1>the seventy fifth Ranger regimen at the same time, sort

526
00:29:19.920 --> 00:29:21.920
<v Speaker 1>of what was like the next step for you, like

527
00:29:22.119 --> 00:29:23.599
<v Speaker 1>going to Ranger School and RASP.

528
00:29:25.200 --> 00:29:25.559
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

529
00:29:25.599 --> 00:29:30.759
<v Speaker 2>So I luckily I had Major Gillian Burke and then

530
00:29:30.799 --> 00:29:35.279
<v Speaker 2>my brigade commander at the time, Colonel Jonathan Chung. They

531
00:29:35.759 --> 00:29:40.319
<v Speaker 2>I told him my idea during a counseling and They're like, absolutely, Hayley,

532
00:29:40.319 --> 00:29:42.599
<v Speaker 2>if you don't go, we will be so disappointed in you.

533
00:29:42.920 --> 00:29:44.680
<v Speaker 2>And I'm like, say, you're going to be disappointed in me,

534
00:29:44.720 --> 00:29:47.720
<v Speaker 2>and I'll do anything. So I'm like, Okay, I'm absolutely going.

535
00:29:49.599 --> 00:29:53.799
<v Speaker 2>And I got my battalion commanders buy and also and

536
00:29:53.880 --> 00:29:54.759
<v Speaker 2>he was awesome.

537
00:29:55.640 --> 00:29:58.160
<v Speaker 3>I've had some great leaders, but.

538
00:29:59.599 --> 00:30:04.599
<v Speaker 2>It was I had a phone interview with the regimental

539
00:30:04.720 --> 00:30:09.400
<v Speaker 2>esport and that went well, and he was like, Okay,

540
00:30:09.400 --> 00:30:12.680
<v Speaker 2>submit your packet, it'll go through the process. If it

541
00:30:12.680 --> 00:30:17.480
<v Speaker 2>gets approved, then you're you have a slot at regimental selection.

542
00:30:17.640 --> 00:30:20.759
<v Speaker 2>And so I complete the packet. It's this big packet.

543
00:30:20.839 --> 00:30:22.119
<v Speaker 2>You have to do all this stuff and then you

544
00:30:22.119 --> 00:30:24.200
<v Speaker 2>have to do the PT test, do all these things.

545
00:30:24.559 --> 00:30:27.039
<v Speaker 2>Submitted it and then I heard back like a couple

546
00:30:27.079 --> 00:30:29.319
<v Speaker 2>of weeks later, I think, and I was given a

547
00:30:29.319 --> 00:30:36.000
<v Speaker 2>slot and it was in early September, and my company

548
00:30:36.160 --> 00:30:39.440
<v Speaker 2>we were at in NTC right up until then, so

549
00:30:39.480 --> 00:30:43.599
<v Speaker 2>I had to leave NTC early to go to regimental selection.

550
00:30:43.720 --> 00:30:44.839
<v Speaker 2>So it was very interesting.

551
00:30:45.000 --> 00:30:48.720
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, no train up for that go no, I.

552
00:30:48.680 --> 00:30:51.839
<v Speaker 2>Mean I was doing push ups behind the field kitchen,

553
00:30:52.000 --> 00:30:52.759
<v Speaker 2>so it was.

554
00:30:53.079 --> 00:30:53.640
<v Speaker 3>It was great.

555
00:30:54.799 --> 00:30:59.480
<v Speaker 1>So the Ranger Assessment and Selection Selection Program, I believe

556
00:30:59.519 --> 00:31:05.240
<v Speaker 1>it's RASS two that the officers go to at that time.

557
00:31:05.519 --> 00:31:07.759
<v Speaker 1>Were there any women serving in the Ranger Regiment? Like

558
00:31:07.799 --> 00:31:10.000
<v Speaker 1>what year was this?

559
00:31:10.000 --> 00:31:17.119
<v Speaker 2>This was twenty twenty, okay, And there were the Regimental

560
00:31:17.160 --> 00:31:23.720
<v Speaker 2>psychologist she a woman. Also west Point grad the Regimental

561
00:31:23.839 --> 00:31:29.000
<v Speaker 2>S two and a woman, and then there was an

562
00:31:29.119 --> 00:31:34.079
<v Speaker 2>NCO in the Intelligence Battalion that she hadn't gone to

563
00:31:34.160 --> 00:31:37.720
<v Speaker 2>Ranger School yet, but she was serving in the Armed.

564
00:31:38.440 --> 00:31:41.079
<v Speaker 1>That's the awesome thing about the Ranger Regiment is that

565
00:31:41.160 --> 00:31:44.200
<v Speaker 1>you know, even the cooks have Ranger tabs and tan

566
00:31:44.279 --> 00:31:46.960
<v Speaker 1>berets because they went to the same selection course you did.

567
00:31:48.160 --> 00:31:50.519
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And that was another thing that kind of drew

568
00:31:50.559 --> 00:31:54.640
<v Speaker 2>me to a Ranger regiment because I think about like

569
00:31:55.759 --> 00:32:00.559
<v Speaker 2>Special Forces being a green Beret. But if I, like,

570
00:32:01.480 --> 00:32:06.359
<v Speaker 2>you go to the the group support battalion and you're

571
00:32:06.400 --> 00:32:08.400
<v Speaker 2>not a part of the like you don't wear the

572
00:32:08.400 --> 00:32:11.400
<v Speaker 2>green gray. And I was like, I want to wear

573
00:32:11.440 --> 00:32:13.720
<v Speaker 2>the tan berat. I will be I want to be

574
00:32:13.839 --> 00:32:16.559
<v Speaker 2>a Ranger. I don't want to just be support to

575
00:32:17.359 --> 00:32:20.759
<v Speaker 2>ranger regimens. So that was one of the cool things

576
00:32:20.799 --> 00:32:21.160
<v Speaker 2>about it.

577
00:32:21.160 --> 00:32:22.880
<v Speaker 3>And I remember my friends they're like, hey, do you

578
00:32:22.880 --> 00:32:23.480
<v Speaker 3>want to be a Ranger?

579
00:32:23.480 --> 00:32:31.359
<v Speaker 2>They're crazy, and I was like, sat, exactly, perfect funny.

580
00:32:31.480 --> 00:32:34.079
<v Speaker 1>So I tell us about RASP too.

581
00:32:36.240 --> 00:32:39.240
<v Speaker 3>RASP was very interesting. Nothing like RASP one.

582
00:32:39.640 --> 00:32:43.440
<v Speaker 2>God bless those people who suffer and endure all that.

583
00:32:44.519 --> 00:32:48.480
<v Speaker 2>I heard all about the that in Ranger School.

584
00:32:48.200 --> 00:32:53.359
<v Speaker 3>But RASP too. It is a three ish week selection process.

585
00:32:53.400 --> 00:32:57.039
<v Speaker 2>There's a physical aspect, academic aspect, and a board at

586
00:32:57.039 --> 00:32:58.319
<v Speaker 2>the end.

587
00:32:58.680 --> 00:33:00.480
<v Speaker 3>I can't like give the.

588
00:33:00.359 --> 00:33:03.640
<v Speaker 2>Details of it, but one of the hardest workouts I've

589
00:33:03.640 --> 00:33:07.240
<v Speaker 2>ever done, like one of the hardest, like twelve hours

590
00:33:07.799 --> 00:33:08.759
<v Speaker 2>of my life have been.

591
00:33:08.799 --> 00:33:13.240
<v Speaker 3>It was in rasp too. It was it was a lot.

592
00:33:13.279 --> 00:33:15.039
<v Speaker 2>I was the only woman in the rasp plast There

593
00:33:15.079 --> 00:33:20.160
<v Speaker 2>was about twenty of us, and this one instance was

594
00:33:20.200 --> 00:33:21.480
<v Speaker 2>really funny.

595
00:33:22.640 --> 00:33:23.440
<v Speaker 3>The whole.

596
00:33:24.720 --> 00:33:29.079
<v Speaker 2>Quiet professionals, I didn't really didn't really clock that off

597
00:33:29.119 --> 00:33:31.200
<v Speaker 2>the bat, and now I get shipped for it for

598
00:33:31.359 --> 00:33:34.519
<v Speaker 2>posting online. But that's neither here nor there. But when

599
00:33:34.519 --> 00:33:36.960
<v Speaker 2>we were doing one of the first workouts, there was

600
00:33:37.000 --> 00:33:41.640
<v Speaker 2>this bigger chief worn officer in my squad and we

601
00:33:41.640 --> 00:33:45.160
<v Speaker 2>were doing like jumping over the eight foot wall, going

602
00:33:45.240 --> 00:33:50.000
<v Speaker 2>up a caving ladder, climbing a rope, uh dragon dummies

603
00:33:50.000 --> 00:33:54.920
<v Speaker 2>and everything or Randy's and we were in last place.

604
00:33:54.960 --> 00:33:56.680
<v Speaker 2>There was like three squads. We were in last place,

605
00:33:56.720 --> 00:33:58.400
<v Speaker 2>and I was like, I can't be in last place.

606
00:33:58.440 --> 00:34:00.480
<v Speaker 2>This isn't good, Like you need to be number one.

607
00:34:00.480 --> 00:34:03.480
<v Speaker 2>If you're not number one, you're gonna get cut. And

608
00:34:03.519 --> 00:34:07.640
<v Speaker 2>so I'm cheering on the Chief Warrant officer.

609
00:34:07.319 --> 00:34:10.079
<v Speaker 3>Trying to get the caning ladder and he's this guy.

610
00:34:09.960 --> 00:34:12.960
<v Speaker 2>The caving ladder is tiny, and I'm like, come on,

611
00:34:13.920 --> 00:34:16.159
<v Speaker 2>number eight or I forget his name or what I said.

612
00:34:16.199 --> 00:34:20.679
<v Speaker 2>And then one of the ranger and CEOs just stone cold,

613
00:34:20.800 --> 00:34:24.480
<v Speaker 2>deadpan face. He was like, roster number eight, this is

614
00:34:24.519 --> 00:34:27.440
<v Speaker 2>not cheerleading camp. And I was like, oh my god,

615
00:34:28.280 --> 00:34:29.000
<v Speaker 2>I should just.

616
00:34:29.400 --> 00:34:32.719
<v Speaker 3>Go home now. This is mortifying. Like it was, it

617
00:34:32.840 --> 00:34:33.400
<v Speaker 3>was awful.

618
00:34:33.639 --> 00:34:37.360
<v Speaker 2>And then when we were like finished the event, we

619
00:34:37.440 --> 00:34:40.000
<v Speaker 2>didn't we I can't think we came in last for

620
00:34:40.039 --> 00:34:41.719
<v Speaker 2>this like little Morning Pete session.

621
00:34:41.880 --> 00:34:43.039
<v Speaker 3>But we were walking back.

622
00:34:42.880 --> 00:34:45.199
<v Speaker 2>In one of the my buddies who I'm still friends

623
00:34:45.199 --> 00:34:46.360
<v Speaker 2>with now he was.

624
00:34:46.320 --> 00:34:51.039
<v Speaker 3>Like, yeah, yeah, you know, quiet professionals don't cheer and

625
00:34:51.119 --> 00:34:52.679
<v Speaker 3>it was just mortifying.

626
00:34:52.800 --> 00:34:55.280
<v Speaker 1>You know that's because I would point out that's because

627
00:34:55.280 --> 00:34:57.440
<v Speaker 1>it's selection and it's supposed to be sort of an

628
00:34:57.480 --> 00:35:01.159
<v Speaker 1>individual event. You're being assessed individually. But I mean, the

629
00:35:01.199 --> 00:35:03.159
<v Speaker 1>thing I do like about the range of regiment. As

630
00:35:03.239 --> 00:35:05.800
<v Speaker 1>much shit as we all talk about each other, there

631
00:35:05.880 --> 00:35:08.880
<v Speaker 1>is a lot of like bro support, you know that

632
00:35:09.000 --> 00:35:11.000
<v Speaker 1>you're my boy blue, you know that kind of thing.

633
00:35:12.239 --> 00:35:15.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And that's one of the things I love about

634
00:35:15.039 --> 00:35:18.360
<v Speaker 2>it in like range regiment, like you are expected to

635
00:35:18.639 --> 00:35:24.239
<v Speaker 2>be the best, but to be the best team. And

636
00:35:24.280 --> 00:35:25.960
<v Speaker 2>that's what range of regiment is. It's one of the

637
00:35:25.960 --> 00:35:29.079
<v Speaker 2>best teams in the entire world. But to be like

638
00:35:29.159 --> 00:35:31.840
<v Speaker 2>a good teammate, you have to be solid yourself. So

639
00:35:32.400 --> 00:35:35.480
<v Speaker 2>that's where that like individual aspect comes in. But for me,

640
00:35:35.639 --> 00:35:39.840
<v Speaker 2>like my strong team background, like and of course I

641
00:35:39.880 --> 00:35:45.039
<v Speaker 2>was a cheerleader, that just my natural personality kind of

642
00:35:45.079 --> 00:35:49.559
<v Speaker 2>came out. So I was just being myself, which is

643
00:35:49.679 --> 00:35:54.280
<v Speaker 2>I'm glad I was even though the cheerleading camp comment

644
00:35:54.519 --> 00:35:58.159
<v Speaker 2>was in my peer ee vals, but I still made it,

645
00:35:58.199 --> 00:35:58.760
<v Speaker 2>so it's okay.

646
00:36:00.360 --> 00:36:03.360
<v Speaker 1>So I know, you can't get too much into the

647
00:36:03.880 --> 00:36:07.440
<v Speaker 1>specifics of you know, I've heard there's like problem solving

648
00:36:07.440 --> 00:36:09.400
<v Speaker 1>events and things like that, and they want to see

649
00:36:10.000 --> 00:36:12.599
<v Speaker 1>will you panic? You know, how do you handle different

650
00:36:12.639 --> 00:36:16.239
<v Speaker 1>situations and things? How was it, you know, when when

651
00:36:16.280 --> 00:36:19.320
<v Speaker 1>you got to the board, how did that go at

652
00:36:19.320 --> 00:36:20.880
<v Speaker 1>that point? Were you nervous?

653
00:36:22.119 --> 00:36:25.519
<v Speaker 3>I wasn't nervous. The board went very well.

654
00:36:25.760 --> 00:36:33.280
<v Speaker 2>I yes, I practiced answering questions well. I looked up

655
00:36:33.320 --> 00:36:36.400
<v Speaker 2>all the little flash cards about board questions that I

656
00:36:36.519 --> 00:36:40.440
<v Speaker 2>was prepared. But to be confident, you must be prepared.

657
00:36:41.119 --> 00:36:43.280
<v Speaker 2>But I walked in. I was proud of how I

658
00:36:43.320 --> 00:36:51.599
<v Speaker 2>performed throughout the entire assessment selection and I was just honest.

659
00:36:51.719 --> 00:36:55.280
<v Speaker 2>I was me. I didn't try to be like a

660
00:36:55.920 --> 00:37:02.719
<v Speaker 2>Broie version of me or some inauthentic something. It was funny.

661
00:37:04.519 --> 00:37:06.800
<v Speaker 2>I like, sit down at the you like walk in.

662
00:37:06.920 --> 00:37:10.480
<v Speaker 2>You sit down and they're like, Ranger Gibbons, are you nervous?

663
00:37:10.519 --> 00:37:13.000
<v Speaker 2>And I was like no, and I was like, actually, so, yes,

664
00:37:13.039 --> 00:37:15.360
<v Speaker 2>I am a bit nervous. And then the whole board lasts.

665
00:37:15.440 --> 00:37:20.679
<v Speaker 2>But it pays to show up authentically as yourself, and

666
00:37:21.360 --> 00:37:22.920
<v Speaker 2>I'm proud that I was able to do that.

667
00:37:23.400 --> 00:37:27.079
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they know if you're BS and and so they

668
00:37:27.440 --> 00:37:31.119
<v Speaker 1>you get selected. But there's a caveat to this, of course.

669
00:37:32.320 --> 00:37:37.800
<v Speaker 2>Yes. I after the board, they they let me know

670
00:37:37.880 --> 00:37:40.880
<v Speaker 2>that you are selected for service and seventy for the

671
00:37:40.960 --> 00:37:43.960
<v Speaker 2>Range of Regiment as a conditional hire. You need to

672
00:37:44.039 --> 00:37:48.800
<v Speaker 2>pass ranger school before you are allowed to come serve

673
00:37:48.840 --> 00:37:52.599
<v Speaker 2>and Range Regiment. And during the board that I said,

674
00:37:53.280 --> 00:37:55.840
<v Speaker 2>that's one of my weaknesses. I don't I'm not coming

675
00:37:55.840 --> 00:37:57.719
<v Speaker 2>in here with a ranger tab. I'm not coming in

676
00:37:57.760 --> 00:38:00.199
<v Speaker 2>here with a deployment patch. I'm coming in here just

677
00:38:00.239 --> 00:38:04.639
<v Speaker 2>as myself and my expertise knowledge with logistics. That's really

678
00:38:04.639 --> 00:38:08.840
<v Speaker 2>all I have. And they were like, I like that

679
00:38:08.880 --> 00:38:13.159
<v Speaker 2>self awareness. And so I had the sixty two day

680
00:38:13.559 --> 00:38:17.000
<v Speaker 2>Ranger School like beast in front of me after that.

681
00:38:17.239 --> 00:38:20.800
<v Speaker 2>So I finish up RASP, I pack all my things up,

682
00:38:20.880 --> 00:38:24.039
<v Speaker 2>I leave a couple of toenails behind, and I go

683
00:38:24.159 --> 00:38:26.840
<v Speaker 2>back to Fort Lewis to train for a few months.

684
00:38:28.599 --> 00:38:31.880
<v Speaker 3>I graduate or I RASP.

685
00:38:31.719 --> 00:38:33.840
<v Speaker 2>Was done in September, and then I get a slot

686
00:38:34.039 --> 00:38:35.559
<v Speaker 2>in December to go to.

687
00:38:37.400 --> 00:38:39.039
<v Speaker 3>Seventy fifth pre Ranger course.

688
00:38:39.119 --> 00:38:43.360
<v Speaker 1>So that's fun. By the way, what was that the

689
00:38:43.400 --> 00:38:45.559
<v Speaker 1>seventy fifth pre Ranger course. It's lots of fun.

690
00:38:46.519 --> 00:38:48.199
<v Speaker 3>It's amazing. It's so fun.

691
00:38:48.480 --> 00:38:53.719
<v Speaker 2>I in all all jokes aside it was.

692
00:38:54.239 --> 00:38:56.559
<v Speaker 3>It was great. Living in the barracks for like three

693
00:38:56.599 --> 00:38:58.599
<v Speaker 3>extra days. Having to shave my head.

694
00:38:58.360 --> 00:39:03.079
<v Speaker 2>Earlier, that wasn't fun. But I show up to for

695
00:39:03.280 --> 00:39:06.239
<v Speaker 2>betting with my little Duffel bags and all my paperwork,

696
00:39:06.960 --> 00:39:09.480
<v Speaker 2>and they're like, and I shaved my head the day before.

697
00:39:10.800 --> 00:39:13.159
<v Speaker 2>I show up in the one of the and you're

698
00:39:13.199 --> 00:39:14.960
<v Speaker 2>just standing in line with all your things and you're

699
00:39:14.960 --> 00:39:19.119
<v Speaker 2>all excited and nervous. And then one of the NCOs

700
00:39:19.239 --> 00:39:20.760
<v Speaker 2>comes over and he's like Richard Gibbons.

701
00:39:20.800 --> 00:39:22.840
<v Speaker 3>I'm like Roger Sergeant.

702
00:39:23.559 --> 00:39:26.679
<v Speaker 2>He's like, your blood work's wrong, and I was like what,

703
00:39:27.599 --> 00:39:29.960
<v Speaker 2>And so they're like, yeah, we're gonna have to drop

704
00:39:30.000 --> 00:39:32.039
<v Speaker 2>you from this pre Ranger course unless you can get

705
00:39:32.039 --> 00:39:35.239
<v Speaker 2>your blood work done. So I like grab my paperwork.

706
00:39:35.280 --> 00:39:39.039
<v Speaker 2>I go to the on Post hospital and I I

707
00:39:39.199 --> 00:39:41.920
<v Speaker 2>try my darnis to get that blood work done on Sunday,

708
00:39:41.920 --> 00:39:42.800
<v Speaker 2>but it didn't happen.

709
00:39:42.880 --> 00:39:44.840
<v Speaker 3>So I have to wait three more weeks.

710
00:39:44.880 --> 00:39:48.159
<v Speaker 2>And then I go through the pre Ranger course and

711
00:39:49.039 --> 00:39:51.280
<v Speaker 2>so I shaved my head three weeks early.

712
00:39:51.480 --> 00:39:55.199
<v Speaker 1>But oh wow, I got to hang out for being

713
00:39:55.239 --> 00:39:55.920
<v Speaker 1>for three weeks.

714
00:39:55.960 --> 00:40:00.599
<v Speaker 3>Come on, you know, and it's a great place. So yeah, wonderful,

715
00:40:01.840 --> 00:40:04.360
<v Speaker 3>but pre Ranger was awesome.

716
00:40:04.400 --> 00:40:07.039
<v Speaker 2>Any if anyone is trying to go to Ranger School,

717
00:40:07.239 --> 00:40:08.599
<v Speaker 2>go to a pre ranger course.

718
00:40:09.400 --> 00:40:11.280
<v Speaker 3>Most installations offer them.

719
00:40:11.320 --> 00:40:13.119
<v Speaker 2>But if you can't get an a TAR slot to

720
00:40:13.199 --> 00:40:16.519
<v Speaker 2>seventy fifth sert, you will be successful. At Ranger School.

721
00:40:16.559 --> 00:40:20.280
<v Speaker 2>They teach you and prepare you so well. You have

722
00:40:20.360 --> 00:40:22.280
<v Speaker 2>to sleep in the field a few extra days. You're

723
00:40:22.840 --> 00:40:26.360
<v Speaker 2>like being pushed and learning everything. But it's it was

724
00:40:26.440 --> 00:40:29.559
<v Speaker 2>so awesome. And one of I think one of the

725
00:40:29.599 --> 00:40:33.239
<v Speaker 2>best things coming out of cert and going right into

726
00:40:33.320 --> 00:40:35.960
<v Speaker 2>Ranger School was all the dudes that I just went

727
00:40:36.000 --> 00:40:39.599
<v Speaker 2>through SIRT with went with me to Ranger School and

728
00:40:39.760 --> 00:40:42.480
<v Speaker 2>I excuse me, dudes. And then there was another woman

729
00:40:42.599 --> 00:40:45.880
<v Speaker 2>who went to two seven to five, so I did

730
00:40:45.920 --> 00:40:46.199
<v Speaker 2>have a.

731
00:40:47.920 --> 00:40:49.599
<v Speaker 3>Ranger woman battle buddy with me.

732
00:40:50.960 --> 00:40:53.039
<v Speaker 2>We were both in our thirties hanging out with a

733
00:40:53.039 --> 00:40:55.679
<v Speaker 2>bunch of eighteen twenty year olds, so it was it

734
00:40:55.679 --> 00:40:56.320
<v Speaker 2>was very funny.

735
00:40:56.400 --> 00:40:59.079
<v Speaker 1>And I should point out I know that you know this, Haley,

736
00:40:59.119 --> 00:41:02.239
<v Speaker 1>but just there's maybe young women or young men watching

737
00:41:02.280 --> 00:41:05.920
<v Speaker 1>this thinking about becoming a ranger. If you're an officer,

738
00:41:06.239 --> 00:41:09.000
<v Speaker 1>you have to go and be ranger tabbed before you

739
00:41:09.039 --> 00:41:12.400
<v Speaker 1>can serve in the Ranger Regiment. If you're enlisted, you

740
00:41:12.480 --> 00:41:15.760
<v Speaker 1>will go to RASP one and serve some time in

741
00:41:15.800 --> 00:41:18.519
<v Speaker 1>the Ranger Regiment a couple of years, go to Ranger School,

742
00:41:18.599 --> 00:41:21.639
<v Speaker 1>come back and then get a team leader, squad leader position,

743
00:41:21.679 --> 00:41:24.199
<v Speaker 1>and so on and so forth. Just want to point

744
00:41:24.199 --> 00:41:26.159
<v Speaker 1>that out to some of the young folks that are

745
00:41:26.159 --> 00:41:26.760
<v Speaker 1>listening to this.

746
00:41:27.920 --> 00:41:32.039
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and that's awesome because like all the guys that.

747
00:41:34.239 --> 00:41:37.679
<v Speaker 2>The other Ranger woman and myself were with like we

748
00:41:37.679 --> 00:41:39.920
<v Speaker 2>were all in the same boat kind of. We were

749
00:41:39.920 --> 00:41:44.360
<v Speaker 2>all just as excited, like this was our first shot

750
00:41:44.519 --> 00:41:48.159
<v Speaker 2>getting to go to Ranger school. So everyone, well my second,

751
00:41:48.880 --> 00:41:55.480
<v Speaker 2>everyone was just very excited and having all those Ranger

752
00:41:55.480 --> 00:41:58.920
<v Speaker 2>buddies with you going into Ranger school, there's a sense

753
00:41:59.000 --> 00:42:03.480
<v Speaker 2>of familiarity. You have like twenty battle buddies going in

754
00:42:03.519 --> 00:42:07.400
<v Speaker 2>there with you. You can kind of like like help

755
00:42:07.440 --> 00:42:11.840
<v Speaker 2>each other out during like zero day or all that stuff.

756
00:42:11.880 --> 00:42:15.519
<v Speaker 2>So that was like one of the best things coming

757
00:42:15.519 --> 00:42:16.480
<v Speaker 2>out of pre Ranger.

758
00:42:17.880 --> 00:42:20.519
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so pre Ranger you back out at Cold Range too.

759
00:42:20.679 --> 00:42:24.079
<v Speaker 1>You just finished with that. Yeah, now you're going back.

760
00:42:23.920 --> 00:42:26.920
<v Speaker 2>Back to the cold range. Yeah. We Uh, we had

761
00:42:26.960 --> 00:42:28.719
<v Speaker 2>to do a bunch of landav and one of my

762
00:42:29.000 --> 00:42:32.000
<v Speaker 2>I am so bad at land now, but I practiced

763
00:42:32.000 --> 00:42:37.920
<v Speaker 2>a bunch and and that's another thing about uh being

764
00:42:37.920 --> 00:42:40.880
<v Speaker 2>in range regiment. If you don't know something or if

765
00:42:40.920 --> 00:42:44.920
<v Speaker 2>you ask a question, people will like literally stop whatever

766
00:42:44.960 --> 00:42:47.760
<v Speaker 2>they are doing and make sure you learn it, you

767
00:42:47.840 --> 00:42:49.519
<v Speaker 2>know it well, and that you're confident with it. I

768
00:42:49.559 --> 00:42:53.039
<v Speaker 2>remember this first sergeant that I was out like doing

769
00:42:53.119 --> 00:42:56.360
<v Speaker 2>land nov one day and he was there. He was like,

770
00:42:56.400 --> 00:42:58.039
<v Speaker 2>you you seem like you don't know what's going on.

771
00:42:58.079 --> 00:43:00.400
<v Speaker 2>And I was like, Roger, first Sergeant, you help me,

772
00:43:00.440 --> 00:43:02.159
<v Speaker 2>and He's like yeah. And that was the first time

773
00:43:02.199 --> 00:43:04.239
<v Speaker 2>I learned about attack points, and I was like, how

774
00:43:04.239 --> 00:43:06.639
<v Speaker 2>did I not know about this in my like last

775
00:43:06.719 --> 00:43:08.000
<v Speaker 2>seven years of army.

776
00:43:08.639 --> 00:43:11.400
<v Speaker 3>So yeah, Coal.

777
00:43:11.360 --> 00:43:18.039
<v Speaker 2>Range we did a bunch of land nav team team exercises,

778
00:43:18.199 --> 00:43:22.559
<v Speaker 2>platoon tactics, squad tactics, all of that. So we became

779
00:43:22.679 --> 00:43:25.880
<v Speaker 2>very comfortable with like being in the field carrying that weight,

780
00:43:26.840 --> 00:43:30.000
<v Speaker 2>trying to do squad on platoon tactics.

781
00:43:30.360 --> 00:43:33.119
<v Speaker 1>Well, I'm glad you had fun, because my experience was

782
00:43:33.119 --> 00:43:37.519
<v Speaker 1>more like a yeah, fuck this place. Yeah, but I

783
00:43:37.519 --> 00:43:40.599
<v Speaker 1>mean I'm only semi kidding. I mean, yes, you do

784
00:43:40.719 --> 00:43:43.960
<v Speaker 1>warn a ton out there. It's hard, but you weren't.

785
00:43:43.719 --> 00:43:48.519
<v Speaker 2>A lot yeah, And I mean I of course stood

786
00:43:48.559 --> 00:43:51.760
<v Speaker 2>out like a sore thumb, being a woman, being like

787
00:43:52.400 --> 00:43:55.960
<v Speaker 2>over thirty, So of course there's a lot of pressure

788
00:43:55.960 --> 00:43:59.880
<v Speaker 2>on me, and I definitely I leaned on the guys

789
00:44:00.079 --> 00:44:03.840
<v Speaker 2>and I made sure I knew everything going into ranger school,

790
00:44:03.880 --> 00:44:07.159
<v Speaker 2>because like, I wasn't going to be like a liability

791
00:44:07.320 --> 00:44:10.400
<v Speaker 2>of not knowing squad or platoon tactics, and I wanted

792
00:44:10.400 --> 00:44:11.159
<v Speaker 2>to be successful.

793
00:44:11.239 --> 00:44:15.079
<v Speaker 1>So it was it was great, that's that's awesome. And

794
00:44:15.159 --> 00:44:19.599
<v Speaker 1>so then you get to Ranger School. So we're at

795
00:44:19.840 --> 00:44:25.800
<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty, twenty twenty one around this time, and again,

796
00:44:25.920 --> 00:44:28.199
<v Speaker 1>did you have any inkling of how many women had

797
00:44:28.239 --> 00:44:29.960
<v Speaker 1>graduated Ranger School at this point?

798
00:44:31.039 --> 00:44:33.920
<v Speaker 3>I was the Yeah, it was about one hundred.

799
00:44:34.079 --> 00:44:36.599
<v Speaker 2>I was the one hundred and second woman to graduate

800
00:44:36.679 --> 00:44:37.239
<v Speaker 2>Ranger School.

801
00:44:38.039 --> 00:44:39.920
<v Speaker 1>I mean, this is how far back in time I am.

802
00:44:40.000 --> 00:44:41.480
<v Speaker 1>I didn't even realize it was that many.

803
00:44:42.360 --> 00:44:43.880
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

804
00:44:44.239 --> 00:44:46.559
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well we'll talk about the about the regiment, the

805
00:44:46.559 --> 00:44:49.719
<v Speaker 1>good old days a little later. But so going to

806
00:44:49.800 --> 00:44:53.320
<v Speaker 1>Ranger School, first week is RAP week. If I recall right,

807
00:44:53.360 --> 00:44:56.559
<v Speaker 1>out at Camp Darby doing all the physical events and stuff.

808
00:44:56.840 --> 00:44:59.119
<v Speaker 1>So now you're you're up and running, you're doing it,

809
00:44:59.239 --> 00:45:01.800
<v Speaker 1>and what going through your mind as they're putting you

810
00:45:01.840 --> 00:45:03.760
<v Speaker 1>through your paces?

811
00:45:04.880 --> 00:45:06.679
<v Speaker 2>I was.

812
00:45:06.760 --> 00:45:08.800
<v Speaker 3>Very successful RAP week.

813
00:45:09.760 --> 00:45:12.760
<v Speaker 2>I did the PT test of course, during the pushups,

814
00:45:12.760 --> 00:45:15.440
<v Speaker 2>which is what I was most nervous about. The RI

815
00:45:15.920 --> 00:45:18.239
<v Speaker 2>when I hit like forty eight, he just kept saying

816
00:45:18.280 --> 00:45:21.719
<v Speaker 2>forty eight, forty eight, forty forty eight and then one.

817
00:45:23.800 --> 00:45:27.880
<v Speaker 2>But then finally when the timer guy was like five

818
00:45:28.000 --> 00:45:30.039
<v Speaker 2>four three, He's like, get out ranger and so I'd

819
00:45:30.039 --> 00:45:35.079
<v Speaker 2>sprint away, but rap week. The things that they don't

820
00:45:35.079 --> 00:45:37.960
<v Speaker 2>tell you about is how much standing you will be doing.

821
00:45:38.000 --> 00:45:41.599
<v Speaker 2>You're literally just standing in the bays, on the on

822
00:45:41.639 --> 00:45:44.639
<v Speaker 2>the little rocks in the overhang areas, just standing there

823
00:45:45.760 --> 00:45:49.239
<v Speaker 2>waiting for instruction, waiting to get like smoked, waiting for

824
00:45:49.280 --> 00:45:54.039
<v Speaker 2>your next hit time. And so that's what I like

825
00:45:54.159 --> 00:45:58.639
<v Speaker 2>wasn't really prepared for. But for everything else, very successful.

826
00:45:58.920 --> 00:46:02.599
<v Speaker 2>I crushed the five mile. I'm good at running and

827
00:46:02.679 --> 00:46:07.199
<v Speaker 2>I'm great at rocking. I came in like in ranger school,

828
00:46:07.199 --> 00:46:09.360
<v Speaker 2>they tell you don't run on the rock, just pass it.

829
00:46:09.440 --> 00:46:11.320
<v Speaker 2>But I was like, damn, if I'm here, I might

830
00:46:11.360 --> 00:46:14.880
<v Speaker 2>as well like compete. So I run the whole thing

831
00:46:15.159 --> 00:46:17.559
<v Speaker 2>and I come in like second on the ruck, and

832
00:46:17.760 --> 00:46:19.239
<v Speaker 2>you don't get a prize for it, you just get

833
00:46:19.239 --> 00:46:22.239
<v Speaker 2>a little bit more tired. So I don't do that

834
00:46:22.280 --> 00:46:23.480
<v Speaker 2>if you're going to go to ranger school.

835
00:46:25.039 --> 00:46:27.280
<v Speaker 3>But uh, yeah, it wasn't that bad.

836
00:46:27.400 --> 00:46:30.400
<v Speaker 2>And I was there in January, so it was freezing,

837
00:46:31.239 --> 00:46:34.679
<v Speaker 2>so you're just standing on these little rocks just shivering

838
00:46:35.000 --> 00:46:35.800
<v Speaker 2>the entire time.

839
00:46:36.239 --> 00:46:40.119
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, no, I started in January too. It's terrible real

840
00:46:41.599 --> 00:46:43.360
<v Speaker 1>and so I think maybe this would be a good

841
00:46:43.360 --> 00:46:46.639
<v Speaker 1>point to talk about, like maybe some of the misconceptions

842
00:46:47.639 --> 00:46:51.639
<v Speaker 1>that sometimes exist around women going to ranger school and

843
00:46:51.679 --> 00:46:55.400
<v Speaker 1>becoming rangers. Some of them, like i hate to say

844
00:46:55.440 --> 00:47:00.360
<v Speaker 1>common knowledge what's called an internet comments that women aren't

845
00:47:00.519 --> 00:47:03.119
<v Speaker 1>you know, they that their bones break down when they

846
00:47:03.199 --> 00:47:06.960
<v Speaker 1>rock march, that they don't have enough upper body strength

847
00:47:07.000 --> 00:47:10.480
<v Speaker 1>to do push ups or pull ups, all these physical events.

848
00:47:10.480 --> 00:47:12.440
<v Speaker 1>But it sounds like you kind of breeze through it.

849
00:47:13.880 --> 00:47:17.000
<v Speaker 1>What's the reality of it. Do you need to be

850
00:47:17.039 --> 00:47:19.760
<v Speaker 1>a unique physical specimen as a woman to make it

851
00:47:19.800 --> 00:47:20.920
<v Speaker 1>through one of these courses?

852
00:47:22.760 --> 00:47:23.599
<v Speaker 3>Absolutely not.

853
00:47:23.960 --> 00:47:28.360
<v Speaker 2>Like, if you know the standards and you train for

854
00:47:28.519 --> 00:47:31.239
<v Speaker 2>the standards and to exceed them a bit, like you

855
00:47:31.280 --> 00:47:34.280
<v Speaker 2>will be able to pass if you know, you can

856
00:47:34.320 --> 00:47:37.159
<v Speaker 2>google the twenty boards, if you learn the twenty boards,

857
00:47:37.199 --> 00:47:40.079
<v Speaker 2>that's what you're graded on in ranger school, you'll be

858
00:47:40.119 --> 00:47:42.320
<v Speaker 2>able to pass. You just need to show up prepared.

859
00:47:43.960 --> 00:47:52.159
<v Speaker 2>The misconceptions and the the the stereotypes that women can't

860
00:47:52.199 --> 00:47:57.719
<v Speaker 2>meet standards is to me very laughable because when you

861
00:47:57.760 --> 00:48:01.320
<v Speaker 2>go through the gates on day zero, no one cares

862
00:48:01.360 --> 00:48:03.599
<v Speaker 2>if you're a woman. My gender did not come up

863
00:48:03.719 --> 00:48:06.920
<v Speaker 2>once during Ranger School, except for the one time they

864
00:48:06.960 --> 00:48:08.480
<v Speaker 2>made us separate showers.

865
00:48:10.599 --> 00:48:11.920
<v Speaker 3>No one cared.

866
00:48:12.039 --> 00:48:14.559
<v Speaker 2>People looked at me because I was older and had

867
00:48:14.639 --> 00:48:20.000
<v Speaker 2>like people management skills, and they looked at me because

868
00:48:20.000 --> 00:48:24.440
<v Speaker 2>I could do an offward in my sleep. Not once

869
00:48:24.679 --> 00:48:28.760
<v Speaker 2>did an ri I like say anything or treat me

870
00:48:28.800 --> 00:48:31.119
<v Speaker 2>differently because I was a woman, and none of the

871
00:48:31.480 --> 00:48:36.159
<v Speaker 2>none of my Ranger buddies did either. So the standards

872
00:48:36.159 --> 00:48:38.840
<v Speaker 2>are the standards, and you either pass them or you don't,

873
00:48:38.880 --> 00:48:41.440
<v Speaker 2>whether you're male or female. And people I get these

874
00:48:41.480 --> 00:48:44.079
<v Speaker 2>comments all the time on like TikTok and Instagram, They're like,

875
00:48:44.480 --> 00:48:47.159
<v Speaker 2>they lowered the standards for you, they lowered the standards,

876
00:48:47.159 --> 00:48:49.079
<v Speaker 2>And I'm like, okay, if they lowered them for me,

877
00:48:49.079 --> 00:48:51.119
<v Speaker 2>then they lowered them for everyone else too, because like,

878
00:48:51.159 --> 00:48:53.760
<v Speaker 2>there is only one standard, the Ranger standard.

879
00:48:53.880 --> 00:48:56.119
<v Speaker 3>So it's to me, it's.

880
00:48:56.039 --> 00:49:00.519
<v Speaker 2>Just people who may have a bruised ego who have

881
00:49:00.679 --> 00:49:05.960
<v Speaker 2>never been in those formations, in those schools past Ranger School,

882
00:49:06.039 --> 00:49:10.199
<v Speaker 2>been in Ranger Regiment, been in SFAs selection. It's people

883
00:49:10.199 --> 00:49:12.360
<v Speaker 2>who have not been at those rooms in those formations,

884
00:49:12.400 --> 00:49:15.760
<v Speaker 2>are at the table who are threatened by a woman's

885
00:49:15.800 --> 00:49:18.719
<v Speaker 2>success or just think that we are less then, and

886
00:49:19.159 --> 00:49:22.360
<v Speaker 2>people will think that and like, I can't change their mind.

887
00:49:22.760 --> 00:49:24.800
<v Speaker 2>You can show them the proof, you can read to

888
00:49:24.840 --> 00:49:26.559
<v Speaker 2>them the proof you can actually do it, and they

889
00:49:26.599 --> 00:49:29.159
<v Speaker 2>will still say, oh, the standards were lowered, Oh you

890
00:49:29.159 --> 00:49:32.760
<v Speaker 2>didn't do those pushups. So and I'm just like, go

891
00:49:32.880 --> 00:49:37.079
<v Speaker 2>for it. My resume speaks for itself, if you will.

892
00:49:37.400 --> 00:49:42.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, I mean some of the vitriol that you know,

893
00:49:42.079 --> 00:49:45.840
<v Speaker 1>I see female soldiers get online, it's like pretty over

894
00:49:45.880 --> 00:49:48.639
<v Speaker 1>the top, to say the least. And yeah, I think

895
00:49:48.639 --> 00:49:50.719
<v Speaker 1>you're right that there's a part of it that maybe

896
00:49:50.800 --> 00:49:53.119
<v Speaker 1>these are guys that wanted to be in the military

897
00:49:53.239 --> 00:49:55.639
<v Speaker 1>but didn't think they could hack it, or maybe they

898
00:49:55.639 --> 00:49:58.079
<v Speaker 1>wanted to go to ranger school but couldn't, or maybe

899
00:49:58.079 --> 00:50:00.519
<v Speaker 1>even worse, guys that did go to rangers, but they

900
00:50:00.599 --> 00:50:02.800
<v Speaker 1>feel like just by the nature of a woman going

901
00:50:02.800 --> 00:50:05.920
<v Speaker 1>to it, that it's taking something away from their experience

902
00:50:05.960 --> 00:50:08.920
<v Speaker 1>and their ranger tab, which is a ridiculous way to

903
00:50:08.960 --> 00:50:11.679
<v Speaker 1>think of it. You know, at the end of the day,

904
00:50:11.760 --> 00:50:14.159
<v Speaker 1>you know, it doesn't matter your skin color, your gender,

905
00:50:14.239 --> 00:50:16.760
<v Speaker 1>or whatever else. I mean, if you met the standard,

906
00:50:16.960 --> 00:50:18.400
<v Speaker 1>then you have as much a right to wear the

907
00:50:18.480 --> 00:50:19.800
<v Speaker 1>ranger tab as anyone.

908
00:50:19.519 --> 00:50:28.440
<v Speaker 2>Else exactly, and like if people did lower the standards,

909
00:50:28.880 --> 00:50:32.320
<v Speaker 2>then like the leaders that are in charge of those formations,

910
00:50:32.960 --> 00:50:35.079
<v Speaker 2>they wouldn't want to lead those formations.

911
00:50:35.119 --> 00:50:37.000
<v Speaker 3>They wouldn't want to be in charge of range regiment.

912
00:50:37.039 --> 00:50:40.519
<v Speaker 2>Because when when you get a ranger like on target

913
00:50:40.800 --> 00:50:44.760
<v Speaker 2>or assigned to like a borrowed manpower thing, you know

914
00:50:44.800 --> 00:50:46.719
<v Speaker 2>the quality of a soldier that you're getting, and that

915
00:50:46.800 --> 00:50:49.880
<v Speaker 2>is a ranger someone who is an expert at their job,

916
00:50:50.079 --> 00:50:55.280
<v Speaker 2>insanely physically fit and will get the job done on

917
00:50:55.679 --> 00:51:01.480
<v Speaker 2>like on time and under budget for you. So exactly,

918
00:51:01.480 --> 00:51:03.880
<v Speaker 2>it's just people who maybe have a chip on their

919
00:51:03.880 --> 00:51:06.239
<v Speaker 2>shoulder and for all the wrong reasons.

920
00:51:06.880 --> 00:51:10.760
<v Speaker 1>So, Darby Phase, you said you're kicking acid pitching op

921
00:51:10.920 --> 00:51:14.840
<v Speaker 1>orders officers are usually pretty good at that. How's it

922
00:51:14.880 --> 00:51:18.280
<v Speaker 1>as you're getting through like your graded patrols, how's it going?

923
00:51:18.519 --> 00:51:20.320
<v Speaker 1>And how are you kind of dealing with like the

924
00:51:20.400 --> 00:51:22.840
<v Speaker 1>stress that the what what I think the tough part

925
00:51:22.880 --> 00:51:26.559
<v Speaker 1>of ranger school is the day after day long term

926
00:51:26.719 --> 00:51:28.559
<v Speaker 1>physical and mental stress that you're under.

927
00:51:30.079 --> 00:51:35.559
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it was a lot, but it was nothing I

928
00:51:35.599 --> 00:51:36.599
<v Speaker 2>couldn't manage.

929
00:51:38.159 --> 00:51:40.280
<v Speaker 3>I'm pretty durable person, pretty sturdy.

930
00:51:40.760 --> 00:51:40.960
<v Speaker 2>Uh.

931
00:51:41.000 --> 00:51:43.800
<v Speaker 3>There were a few movements in Mountain phase. That sucked.

932
00:51:43.880 --> 00:51:47.320
<v Speaker 2>Some guys were crying, but like it wasn't that bad.

933
00:51:47.400 --> 00:51:50.039
<v Speaker 2>Everything in ranger school is very manageable if you just

934
00:51:50.159 --> 00:51:55.480
<v Speaker 2>have a don't quit attitude. For my graded patrols, I

935
00:51:55.519 --> 00:51:59.440
<v Speaker 2>had pl looks every single time, or squad leader looks

936
00:51:59.440 --> 00:52:02.480
<v Speaker 2>every single time, and the majority of the time it

937
00:52:02.679 --> 00:52:04.159
<v Speaker 2>was the first pl look.

938
00:52:04.280 --> 00:52:07.199
<v Speaker 3>So they would always give me the awkward.

939
00:52:08.599 --> 00:52:11.960
<v Speaker 2>And like I said, I know the afwoard like the

940
00:52:11.960 --> 00:52:14.280
<v Speaker 2>back of my hands, and I was able to brief

941
00:52:14.320 --> 00:52:19.079
<v Speaker 2>it very well. And because of that, every every upward

942
00:52:19.119 --> 00:52:22.000
<v Speaker 2>that was written or like briefed in my platoon, I

943
00:52:22.039 --> 00:52:23.679
<v Speaker 2>was the one that wrote it. So every person that

944
00:52:23.719 --> 00:52:25.960
<v Speaker 2>had a squad leader look or opportunity to look, I

945
00:52:26.000 --> 00:52:27.440
<v Speaker 2>was like, okay, give me the stuff.

946
00:52:27.480 --> 00:52:28.880
<v Speaker 3>I'm going to do your awkward for you.

947
00:52:28.920 --> 00:52:31.400
<v Speaker 2>And then I would We had these like laminated cards

948
00:52:31.400 --> 00:52:34.159
<v Speaker 2>with everything, and I was like, here you go, and

949
00:52:34.199 --> 00:52:35.880
<v Speaker 2>so they would just read off of that and then

950
00:52:36.199 --> 00:52:38.679
<v Speaker 2>their AP board they would get a go check mark

951
00:52:38.719 --> 00:52:41.079
<v Speaker 2>on it. So that's one way that I was able

952
00:52:41.079 --> 00:52:46.559
<v Speaker 2>to help out the platoon. Uh yeah, and it was great.

953
00:52:46.679 --> 00:52:49.519
<v Speaker 2>My I never got a no go. I got goes

954
00:52:49.559 --> 00:52:55.239
<v Speaker 2>on every single look. One of My most memorable squadlier

955
00:52:55.960 --> 00:52:58.920
<v Speaker 2>or leadership looks was in.

956
00:53:00.440 --> 00:53:01.239
<v Speaker 3>Florida Phase.

957
00:53:01.320 --> 00:53:04.079
<v Speaker 2>I think it was because in ranger school, you do

958
00:53:05.239 --> 00:53:07.840
<v Speaker 2>a day mission and then a night mission, and in

959
00:53:07.880 --> 00:53:11.119
<v Speaker 2>each mission you have like first shift and second shift

960
00:53:11.199 --> 00:53:12.039
<v Speaker 2>leadership looks for.

961
00:53:13.599 --> 00:53:15.599
<v Speaker 3>Whether or not you get to go at that position.

962
00:53:16.280 --> 00:53:20.760
<v Speaker 2>And I was the second shift on the night mission,

963
00:53:21.280 --> 00:53:26.400
<v Speaker 2>and I but I had my first leadership look that morning.

964
00:53:26.480 --> 00:53:29.679
<v Speaker 2>So I had two looks in the same day. And

965
00:53:29.960 --> 00:53:33.480
<v Speaker 2>after the first person went on the night shift, I

966
00:53:33.519 --> 00:53:36.960
<v Speaker 2>was like, thank God, we're done. We're gonna go like whatever.

967
00:53:37.039 --> 00:53:39.280
<v Speaker 2>I get a chill and the squad I'll carry the

968
00:53:39.440 --> 00:53:44.079
<v Speaker 2>schedcoat whatever. But they're like givens and I was like fuck,

969
00:53:45.000 --> 00:53:46.880
<v Speaker 2>and I grab all my stuff. I run to the

970
00:53:47.159 --> 00:53:51.519
<v Speaker 2>ris and they're like, Okay, you're the pl for this

971
00:53:51.679 --> 00:53:52.239
<v Speaker 2>night mission.

972
00:53:52.280 --> 00:53:54.119
<v Speaker 3>It's an ambush. Da da da da dah.

973
00:53:54.119 --> 00:53:59.639
<v Speaker 2>Here's your cor mits go and I got everyone going.

974
00:53:59.840 --> 00:54:03.880
<v Speaker 2>I gave my ALFA team leader the fleet and we're walking,

975
00:54:04.000 --> 00:54:06.440
<v Speaker 2>but we ended up walking on the wrong road and

976
00:54:06.519 --> 00:54:09.119
<v Speaker 2>I was like, hey, we're on the wrong road. We

977
00:54:09.159 --> 00:54:11.440
<v Speaker 2>need to cut ninety degrees this way and then get

978
00:54:11.480 --> 00:54:13.679
<v Speaker 2>on that road. And we have thirty minutes to do

979
00:54:13.760 --> 00:54:17.239
<v Speaker 2>it to like get to the ambush site, get everyone

980
00:54:17.239 --> 00:54:17.840
<v Speaker 2>set up.

981
00:54:18.199 --> 00:54:20.159
<v Speaker 3>And we go.

982
00:54:20.480 --> 00:54:23.440
<v Speaker 2>We get to the spot, and normally you're supposed to

983
00:54:23.519 --> 00:54:26.599
<v Speaker 2>like set up your like security patrols at like the

984
00:54:26.679 --> 00:54:30.000
<v Speaker 2>triangle or whatever. And I was like, everyone just get

985
00:54:30.039 --> 00:54:32.800
<v Speaker 2>in a circle, get through sixty drop your rucks, and

986
00:54:32.840 --> 00:54:35.079
<v Speaker 2>then I grab three people and like put them on

987
00:54:35.119 --> 00:54:37.559
<v Speaker 2>the ambush line or something. It was a shit show,

988
00:54:37.599 --> 00:54:40.960
<v Speaker 2>but I met every criteria you'd like to use.

989
00:54:40.840 --> 00:54:44.599
<v Speaker 1>The term hasty near ambush, not the term shit show.

990
00:54:44.760 --> 00:54:45.119
<v Speaker 1>Thank you.

991
00:54:46.519 --> 00:54:50.880
<v Speaker 2>Yes, it was a beautiful hasty near ambush and it

992
00:54:51.000 --> 00:54:53.599
<v Speaker 2>was great. And everyone was like, what is going on?

993
00:54:53.679 --> 00:54:54.360
<v Speaker 2>What are we doing?

994
00:54:54.880 --> 00:54:57.360
<v Speaker 3>Gibbons lost her mind and I was like, it's gonna be.

995
00:54:57.280 --> 00:54:57.960
<v Speaker 2>Okay, guys.

996
00:54:59.039 --> 00:55:02.519
<v Speaker 3>And I got my so thankfully, and it was. It

997
00:55:02.559 --> 00:55:03.719
<v Speaker 3>was fun, very memorable.

998
00:55:06.480 --> 00:55:09.360
<v Speaker 1>Speaking about the you know the again, the like long

999
00:55:09.440 --> 00:55:12.480
<v Speaker 1>term kind of like stress that your body and in

1000
00:55:12.599 --> 00:55:15.079
<v Speaker 1>that you're owner psychologically too, I mean that that was

1001
00:55:15.119 --> 00:55:17.840
<v Speaker 1>the most challenging thing for me, I think, more than

1002
00:55:18.119 --> 00:55:21.320
<v Speaker 1>any particular event. And like, I'm sorry, but I imagine

1003
00:55:21.440 --> 00:55:23.480
<v Speaker 1>and I see you seem like you have a smaller

1004
00:55:23.519 --> 00:55:27.079
<v Speaker 1>frame than most men. And I was like, I mean,

1005
00:55:27.199 --> 00:55:29.320
<v Speaker 1>like not not that I'm anything special at all, but

1006
00:55:29.400 --> 00:55:31.320
<v Speaker 1>like by the time I got to then to Florida phase,

1007
00:55:31.360 --> 00:55:33.639
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, dude, my body is like eaten up, Like

1008
00:55:33.760 --> 00:55:35.480
<v Speaker 1>what the hell?

1009
00:55:35.719 --> 00:55:36.719
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it was.

1010
00:55:37.280 --> 00:55:40.679
<v Speaker 2>It was interesting and like what a good gauge is

1011
00:55:40.679 --> 00:55:42.760
<v Speaker 2>is every time you go into the de fact you

1012
00:55:42.800 --> 00:55:45.400
<v Speaker 2>have to do six chin ups and then say ranger

1013
00:55:45.840 --> 00:55:48.920
<v Speaker 2>right after you do the Ranger creed. And during Florida like,

1014
00:55:49.159 --> 00:55:52.440
<v Speaker 2>those chin ups were near impossible for me. I was like,

1015
00:55:52.559 --> 00:55:56.079
<v Speaker 2>so like my upper body was just so deteriorated and

1016
00:55:56.320 --> 00:56:00.719
<v Speaker 2>just tired. My legs were fine, but these chin ups.

1017
00:56:00.760 --> 00:56:03.519
<v Speaker 2>I was like, don't look, guys, these are really embarrassing.

1018
00:56:03.800 --> 00:56:10.400
<v Speaker 2>But it did take a toll on everyone. I Uh.

1019
00:56:10.599 --> 00:56:11.920
<v Speaker 3>There was someone who.

1020
00:56:13.800 --> 00:56:17.039
<v Speaker 2>One of my arranger buddies who actually went to range

1021
00:56:17.039 --> 00:56:20.800
<v Speaker 2>a regimen after me. She uh fractured her ankle, but

1022
00:56:21.079 --> 00:56:22.800
<v Speaker 2>she was like, I'm not gonna go to the medic

1023
00:56:22.840 --> 00:56:25.840
<v Speaker 2>because then they'll drop me. So she finished like the

1024
00:56:25.920 --> 00:56:29.480
<v Speaker 2>last week of Florida phase with a fractured ankle, which

1025
00:56:29.519 --> 00:56:36.280
<v Speaker 2>is just insane.

1026
00:56:33.320 --> 00:56:34.679
<v Speaker 3>But it was.

1027
00:56:35.639 --> 00:56:39.840
<v Speaker 2>It was difficult, definitely towards the end, but it was

1028
00:56:40.039 --> 00:56:43.519
<v Speaker 2>all still manageable. And by that time you've developed a

1029
00:56:43.519 --> 00:56:46.480
<v Speaker 2>good relationship with the people in your squad. You've showed

1030
00:56:46.519 --> 00:56:49.639
<v Speaker 2>them that you are a team player and that you're

1031
00:56:49.679 --> 00:56:54.800
<v Speaker 2>a team asset. You have strong bonds and trust between

1032
00:56:54.800 --> 00:56:57.480
<v Speaker 2>each other, so like whatever slack that may need to

1033
00:56:57.519 --> 00:57:00.239
<v Speaker 2>get picked up, they're there to do it as I was,

1034
00:57:00.280 --> 00:57:02.840
<v Speaker 2>to help out people who needed it.

1035
00:57:02.880 --> 00:57:07.719
<v Speaker 1>Also, any other funny Ranger school stories you want to

1036
00:57:07.760 --> 00:57:08.679
<v Speaker 1>tell before we move on.

1037
00:57:10.519 --> 00:57:15.960
<v Speaker 2>Uh yeah, there was the first movement in Florida. Phase

1038
00:57:16.199 --> 00:57:18.840
<v Speaker 2>I was the RTO. I was the RTO for almost

1039
00:57:18.840 --> 00:57:22.079
<v Speaker 2>every mission. It was insane. And the RTO has like

1040
00:57:22.320 --> 00:57:26.519
<v Speaker 2>the radios ammo, just a heavy heavy rocksack.

1041
00:57:26.559 --> 00:57:28.039
<v Speaker 3>It's probably like one hundred plus.

1042
00:57:27.880 --> 00:57:32.840
<v Speaker 2>Pounds and you count everyone in, like when you're starting

1043
00:57:32.840 --> 00:57:36.440
<v Speaker 2>the patrol in Florida and I'm there like counting people in,

1044
00:57:36.599 --> 00:57:38.880
<v Speaker 2>trying to be like really serious, like this is great

1045
00:57:38.960 --> 00:57:42.239
<v Speaker 2>for the swamps, Like fuck yeah, And then the ri

1046
00:57:42.519 --> 00:57:46.639
<v Speaker 2>is standing right next to me, and the rucksack was

1047
00:57:46.639 --> 00:57:47.599
<v Speaker 2>so back heavy.

1048
00:57:47.760 --> 00:57:48.800
<v Speaker 3>Like the minute the.

1049
00:57:48.719 --> 00:57:52.159
<v Speaker 2>Second person like walks through, I just slow and my

1050
00:57:52.239 --> 00:57:55.079
<v Speaker 2>feet are like sunk in uh to the mud in

1051
00:57:55.159 --> 00:57:55.840
<v Speaker 2>the swamp.

1052
00:57:56.199 --> 00:57:58.039
<v Speaker 3>I like can't move, And then I just.

1053
00:57:58.000 --> 00:58:02.800
<v Speaker 2>Feel myself slowly going back and so the very start

1054
00:58:02.840 --> 00:58:06.519
<v Speaker 2>of the first swamp mission, I fully submerged backwards make

1055
00:58:06.559 --> 00:58:10.639
<v Speaker 2>this huge splash. The ri is laughing, Everyone's like, damn,

1056
00:58:10.760 --> 00:58:15.840
<v Speaker 2>Gibbons is down, and I get up. I'm soaking wet.

1057
00:58:16.440 --> 00:58:20.320
<v Speaker 2>Luckily I waterproofed the rucksack very well. But yeah, that

1058
00:58:20.119 --> 00:58:21.000
<v Speaker 2>was that was pretty bad.

1059
00:58:21.000 --> 00:58:21.599
<v Speaker 3>It was pretty bad.

1060
00:58:23.199 --> 00:58:26.039
<v Speaker 1>And then so January class you would have been graduating

1061
00:58:26.039 --> 00:58:30.400
<v Speaker 1>towards like the end of February. Yes, what did that

1062
00:58:30.440 --> 00:58:33.000
<v Speaker 1>feel like when you finally pinned that Ranger tab on?

1063
00:58:34.320 --> 00:58:35.079
<v Speaker 3>It was awesome.

1064
00:58:35.519 --> 00:58:40.480
<v Speaker 2>It was awesome, much like the graduation hat toss photo.

1065
00:58:40.719 --> 00:58:43.920
<v Speaker 2>I just envisioned like the entire time of Ranger School

1066
00:58:43.920 --> 00:58:46.400
<v Speaker 2>and me standing on Victory Pond with my family and

1067
00:58:46.440 --> 00:58:53.239
<v Speaker 2>my friends, just so excited. My dad pinned my tab.

1068
00:58:55.159 --> 00:58:58.199
<v Speaker 2>It was awesome, and like you're just you're frail, but

1069
00:58:58.320 --> 00:59:01.119
<v Speaker 2>your cheeks are fat as shit, Like my skin was

1070
00:59:01.159 --> 00:59:05.719
<v Speaker 2>wind burned, my lips were chapped, so it looks like, yeah,

1071
00:59:05.880 --> 00:59:09.440
<v Speaker 2>like I have Viva La glam Mac lipstick on. But

1072
00:59:09.559 --> 00:59:13.480
<v Speaker 2>you're just so excited, and then you watch all the

1073
00:59:13.599 --> 00:59:16.039
<v Speaker 2>Rangers in action stuff and then you finally get to

1074
00:59:16.039 --> 00:59:19.559
<v Speaker 2>say the Ranger creed and you're just screaming, just so excited.

1075
00:59:20.639 --> 00:59:23.280
<v Speaker 3>It was. It was an awesome day. It was very cool.

1076
00:59:24.760 --> 00:59:27.760
<v Speaker 1>So then you go down the road to the regiment

1077
00:59:28.039 --> 00:59:30.119
<v Speaker 1>and now you got your tab and your scroll and

1078
00:59:30.239 --> 00:59:33.039
<v Speaker 1>the beret and the whole deal. What's it like showing

1079
00:59:33.079 --> 00:59:35.360
<v Speaker 1>up at the Ranger Regiment Like this is the big

1080
00:59:35.440 --> 00:59:37.880
<v Speaker 1>leagues now, right? This is pretty cool?

1081
00:59:38.280 --> 00:59:40.280
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it was. It was awesome.

1082
00:59:40.519 --> 00:59:45.719
<v Speaker 2>And I was in the logistics cell first off, and

1083
00:59:46.239 --> 00:59:49.920
<v Speaker 2>the team of men in the logistics cell are some

1084
00:59:50.000 --> 00:59:51.920
<v Speaker 2>of the most professional people I've ever worked with.

1085
00:59:52.199 --> 00:59:53.079
<v Speaker 3>They are amazing.

1086
00:59:53.239 --> 00:59:56.480
<v Speaker 2>They have been in Range Regiment probably their entire life,

1087
00:59:57.199 --> 01:00:00.559
<v Speaker 2>so they know the Ranger mission like in and out

1088
01:00:00.679 --> 01:00:01.280
<v Speaker 2>to a tea.

1089
01:00:01.440 --> 01:00:03.400
<v Speaker 3>So I learned so much.

1090
01:00:03.480 --> 01:00:06.880
<v Speaker 2>It was so overwhelming, and how regiment operates compared to

1091
01:00:06.960 --> 01:00:09.800
<v Speaker 2>Big Army night and day. So I had to basically

1092
01:00:09.840 --> 01:00:13.840
<v Speaker 2>relearn everything from the last seven years like in a

1093
01:00:14.199 --> 01:00:15.639
<v Speaker 2>like week period.

1094
01:00:16.960 --> 01:00:19.000
<v Speaker 3>But it was very cool too.

1095
01:00:19.119 --> 01:00:22.800
<v Speaker 2>Instead of being like, Okay, I'm planning an NTC mission,

1096
01:00:22.880 --> 01:00:25.320
<v Speaker 2>where do the porta potties need to go? I'm like

1097
01:00:25.440 --> 01:00:28.199
<v Speaker 2>planning actual, like real life stuff.

1098
01:00:28.239 --> 01:00:30.159
<v Speaker 3>So it was it was.

1099
01:00:30.239 --> 01:00:35.960
<v Speaker 2>Very cool being in the room, uh and just having

1100
01:00:36.360 --> 01:00:38.519
<v Speaker 2>a team of experts. Uh.

1101
01:00:39.039 --> 01:00:41.559
<v Speaker 3>It was it was awesome. It was intimidating.

1102
01:00:42.480 --> 01:00:44.400
<v Speaker 2>In the first month I was there, I had to

1103
01:00:44.440 --> 01:00:48.280
<v Speaker 2>brief the entire regimental staff and all the battalion commanders.

1104
01:00:48.360 --> 01:00:51.280
<v Speaker 2>So I was so nervous, and I like practiced so

1105
01:00:51.440 --> 01:00:53.760
<v Speaker 2>much like the night before and everything, and I like

1106
01:00:53.920 --> 01:00:57.199
<v Speaker 2>rehearsed it on the drive to the to the conference room.

1107
01:00:57.280 --> 01:01:02.920
<v Speaker 3>But uh, like this makes confidence. So I crushed it.

1108
01:01:03.360 --> 01:01:05.239
<v Speaker 2>And that's kind of how I found a lot of

1109
01:01:05.280 --> 01:01:08.719
<v Speaker 2>success in Range Regiment, just by making sure I knew

1110
01:01:08.760 --> 01:01:10.719
<v Speaker 2>what I was going to say when I needed to.

1111
01:01:10.679 --> 01:01:12.679
<v Speaker 3>Say something, because in.

1112
01:01:14.320 --> 01:01:16.599
<v Speaker 2>Range of Regiment, like I said, you're surrounded by the

1113
01:01:16.599 --> 01:01:18.559
<v Speaker 2>best of the best, and so I needed to prove that,

1114
01:01:18.599 --> 01:01:20.960
<v Speaker 2>like I'm not just like a strong arranger, but I

1115
01:01:21.079 --> 01:01:22.599
<v Speaker 2>know logistics in and out.

1116
01:01:22.679 --> 01:01:24.079
<v Speaker 3>So it was awesome.

1117
01:01:24.639 --> 01:01:26.480
<v Speaker 1>One of the big changes, right, is that the regiments

1118
01:01:26.519 --> 01:01:27.800
<v Speaker 1>are rapidly deploying unit.

1119
01:01:28.840 --> 01:01:36.119
<v Speaker 2>Yes, yeah, so they rotate who deploys when they deploy,

1120
01:01:36.199 --> 01:01:39.079
<v Speaker 2>and sometimes you're on like a short recall. So that

1121
01:01:39.199 --> 01:01:42.320
<v Speaker 2>was another very cool problem set. Like my systems and

1122
01:01:42.360 --> 01:01:45.960
<v Speaker 2>logistics background gotta like got a bit of an exercise

1123
01:01:46.000 --> 01:01:49.719
<v Speaker 2>there because I was able to plan stuff on it,

1124
01:01:49.800 --> 01:01:52.559
<v Speaker 2>like a tight turnaround and everything had to just happen

1125
01:01:52.800 --> 01:01:54.400
<v Speaker 2>just in time for it to be successful.

1126
01:01:54.440 --> 01:01:56.039
<v Speaker 3>So that was a very cool problem set.

1127
01:01:56.280 --> 01:01:58.719
<v Speaker 2>And you're dealing with like not just hump fies, but

1128
01:01:58.760 --> 01:02:02.119
<v Speaker 2>like massive pieces of equipment and like helping with planes

1129
01:02:02.119 --> 01:02:05.800
<v Speaker 2>and everything. One real world mission that I did get

1130
01:02:05.840 --> 01:02:12.599
<v Speaker 2>to help with wash Sudan, when the Range of Battalion

1131
01:02:12.599 --> 01:02:15.880
<v Speaker 2>went over there. I was able to help coordinate logistics

1132
01:02:15.880 --> 01:02:18.320
<v Speaker 2>support for that, and so it was like, Okay, this

1133
01:02:18.400 --> 01:02:20.320
<v Speaker 2>is game time, Like this is awesome.

1134
01:02:21.599 --> 01:02:22.840
<v Speaker 3>But that was also kind of right.

1135
01:02:23.239 --> 01:02:26.119
<v Speaker 1>That was that when they a contingency when they had

1136
01:02:26.119 --> 01:02:27.320
<v Speaker 1>to evacuate the embassy.

1137
01:02:28.079 --> 01:02:31.239
<v Speaker 2>Yes, yes, yeah, so I got to help with that,

1138
01:02:31.719 --> 01:02:34.519
<v Speaker 2>But that was right when I was also getting out

1139
01:02:34.559 --> 01:02:39.559
<v Speaker 2>of the military, so it was it was chaotic as

1140
01:02:39.559 --> 01:02:40.960
<v Speaker 2>it is, and then I was like dealing with a

1141
01:02:40.960 --> 01:02:46.800
<v Speaker 2>bunch of other stuff. But the the logistics power that

1142
01:02:46.960 --> 01:02:51.519
<v Speaker 2>the Ranger Regiment and used stock have is insane. It's

1143
01:02:51.639 --> 01:02:52.119
<v Speaker 2>very cool.

1144
01:02:52.599 --> 01:02:54.639
<v Speaker 1>I would love to, you know, talk to you a

1145
01:02:54.679 --> 01:02:57.400
<v Speaker 1>little bit more in depth about Ranger and Special Ops

1146
01:02:57.440 --> 01:03:01.239
<v Speaker 1>logistics because I've wanted to have like some of the

1147
01:03:01.239 --> 01:03:05.159
<v Speaker 1>og logistics guys from so com you know, on the show,

1148
01:03:05.199 --> 01:03:06.760
<v Speaker 1>and I need to make a more of an effort

1149
01:03:06.760 --> 01:03:09.800
<v Speaker 1>to do that. But those guys and officers like you

1150
01:03:09.840 --> 01:03:12.239
<v Speaker 1>are the ones that kind of make everything happen and

1151
01:03:12.400 --> 01:03:14.440
<v Speaker 1>don't really get any you know, credit, or there's not

1152
01:03:14.480 --> 01:03:17.400
<v Speaker 1>a lot of visibility for it. But I mean, just

1153
01:03:17.440 --> 01:03:19.960
<v Speaker 1>like this operation that happened the other day in Venezuela,

1154
01:03:20.400 --> 01:03:24.480
<v Speaker 1>there's a tremendous amount of logistics and preparation that goes

1155
01:03:24.519 --> 01:03:28.239
<v Speaker 1>into that and stuff that people with bigger foreheads than

1156
01:03:28.239 --> 01:03:32.480
<v Speaker 1>me have to figure out what was some of the

1157
01:03:32.519 --> 01:03:34.239
<v Speaker 1>like the I mean, if you want to use the

1158
01:03:34.280 --> 01:03:36.559
<v Speaker 1>real world example of like some of the challenges or

1159
01:03:36.599 --> 01:03:39.360
<v Speaker 1>some of the training situations that you were in of

1160
01:03:39.480 --> 01:03:41.360
<v Speaker 1>you know, some of the challenges that come up when

1161
01:03:41.400 --> 01:03:43.800
<v Speaker 1>you're a logistician in the Ranger Regiment.

1162
01:03:45.400 --> 01:03:49.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's all about like the mission you're supporting, the

1163
01:03:50.000 --> 01:03:53.360
<v Speaker 2>resources available, and like the needs of that mission and

1164
01:03:53.400 --> 01:03:59.519
<v Speaker 2>who you're supporting it. It all Uh, it's chaotic, but

1165
01:03:59.599 --> 01:04:01.320
<v Speaker 2>you need to make sure you have all the right

1166
01:04:01.320 --> 01:04:05.280
<v Speaker 2>people at the table to coordinate that because just like anything,

1167
01:04:05.280 --> 01:04:08.639
<v Speaker 2>if you're planning a birthday party, if you don't coordinate

1168
01:04:08.679 --> 01:04:11.320
<v Speaker 2>getting the candles in, like the big surprise or the

1169
01:04:11.320 --> 01:04:15.440
<v Speaker 2>big culmination of blown out the candles doesn't happen. So

1170
01:04:16.880 --> 01:04:23.880
<v Speaker 2>it's it's a lot of exhaustive devil backing, sink matrix,

1171
01:04:24.760 --> 01:04:31.039
<v Speaker 2>consumption rates, coordinating with people. It's that's kind of what

1172
01:04:31.079 --> 01:04:36.159
<v Speaker 2>a logistic officer is really. And when I was planning

1173
01:04:36.320 --> 01:04:41.639
<v Speaker 2>or helping out with the Sudan mission, you needed to

1174
01:04:41.719 --> 01:04:46.039
<v Speaker 2>have every contingency thought of, and sometimes we didn't. We

1175
01:04:46.079 --> 01:04:49.039
<v Speaker 2>didn't think that we would need to support for We

1176
01:04:49.079 --> 01:04:51.880
<v Speaker 2>thought that it was just gonna be like, okay, quick mission, great,

1177
01:04:52.079 --> 01:04:54.840
<v Speaker 2>but it extended a week and then a little bit

1178
01:04:54.880 --> 01:04:56.760
<v Speaker 2>longer and we're like, okay, we need to get them food,

1179
01:04:56.840 --> 01:04:58.840
<v Speaker 2>Like what if we need to use like this or that.

1180
01:04:59.320 --> 01:05:00.920
<v Speaker 3>So it's just having.

1181
01:05:02.880 --> 01:05:08.559
<v Speaker 2>Having contingencies upon contingencies ready to go. And and like

1182
01:05:08.639 --> 01:05:12.199
<v Speaker 2>you said, like being a logistics officer is a thankless job.

1183
01:05:12.360 --> 01:05:14.920
<v Speaker 2>If if everything is planned to a t and you

1184
01:05:14.960 --> 01:05:17.760
<v Speaker 2>did such a good job, like no one cares, you

1185
01:05:17.800 --> 01:05:20.760
<v Speaker 2>don't get a thank you, But if the porta potties

1186
01:05:20.760 --> 01:05:24.519
<v Speaker 2>aren't there, you're gonna get yelled at. So it's it's

1187
01:05:24.639 --> 01:05:29.039
<v Speaker 2>not glamorous, it's not thankful. Like you do it because

1188
01:05:29.400 --> 01:05:31.679
<v Speaker 2>you like seeing all the pieces line up and it

1189
01:05:31.719 --> 01:05:37.519
<v Speaker 2>get executed flawlessly. And without logistics, like the people on

1190
01:05:37.559 --> 01:05:39.239
<v Speaker 2>the front line can't do their job.

1191
01:05:39.360 --> 01:05:41.039
<v Speaker 3>So it is very cool in.

1192
01:05:40.920 --> 01:05:43.039
<v Speaker 1>That way also, and I guess this is where your

1193
01:05:43.119 --> 01:05:47.960
<v Speaker 1>your System's degree came into handy two, because I mean,

1194
01:05:48.000 --> 01:05:50.159
<v Speaker 1>I just think back when you're dealing with like hundreds

1195
01:05:50.199 --> 01:05:55.039
<v Speaker 1>of rangers on the ground doing airfield seizures or operations,

1196
01:05:55.039 --> 01:05:56.840
<v Speaker 1>whatever it is that you're doing. I mean, like the

1197
01:05:57.039 --> 01:06:00.960
<v Speaker 1>organization is so paramount to have all of that works,

1198
01:06:01.000 --> 01:06:03.159
<v Speaker 1>Like everything has to work in a sequence, from like

1199
01:06:03.199 --> 01:06:06.239
<v Speaker 1>the logistics to the air assets to everything else, and

1200
01:06:06.320 --> 01:06:09.239
<v Speaker 1>any one little thing goes haywire and you know you're

1201
01:06:09.239 --> 01:06:11.280
<v Speaker 1>gonna end up in mission failure.

1202
01:06:12.760 --> 01:06:13.320
<v Speaker 3>Exactly.

1203
01:06:13.480 --> 01:06:16.679
<v Speaker 2>And like one of the great things about special Operations

1204
01:06:16.679 --> 01:06:20.440
<v Speaker 2>and range regiment like you have experts for everything you

1205
01:06:20.519 --> 01:06:23.360
<v Speaker 2>just mentioned, Like air you have it like an air

1206
01:06:23.440 --> 01:06:26.440
<v Speaker 2>and CIC who has done air missions like for the

1207
01:06:26.480 --> 01:06:29.800
<v Speaker 2>past twenty years. You have your ammotechs who know exactly

1208
01:06:29.840 --> 01:06:32.079
<v Speaker 2>what is going on and how much AMMO you need

1209
01:06:32.119 --> 01:06:34.719
<v Speaker 2>for this or that. You know how much you have

1210
01:06:34.760 --> 01:06:38.519
<v Speaker 2>your food and CIC, your chief warrant officer you have,

1211
01:06:39.159 --> 01:06:42.639
<v Speaker 2>so you're just surrounded by experts. But being like the

1212
01:06:43.880 --> 01:06:47.079
<v Speaker 2>like the S four, so the Logistics officer for a

1213
01:06:47.199 --> 01:06:51.000
<v Speaker 2>Range of Battalion. It's your job to bring all those

1214
01:06:51.039 --> 01:06:55.039
<v Speaker 2>experts together, have the intent and the end goal, and

1215
01:06:55.079 --> 01:06:57.880
<v Speaker 2>then have all those just insanely smart people help you

1216
01:06:57.960 --> 01:07:02.320
<v Speaker 2>with the plan. So it's never just a an individual mission.

1217
01:07:02.440 --> 01:07:04.880
<v Speaker 3>Logistics is always like a team, team effort.

1218
01:07:05.320 --> 01:07:07.159
<v Speaker 1>And so that that was your next job being the

1219
01:07:07.280 --> 01:07:10.440
<v Speaker 1>S four down at third Ranger Battalion, which is just

1220
01:07:10.519 --> 01:07:12.039
<v Speaker 1>across the way from headquarters.

1221
01:07:13.679 --> 01:07:16.480
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it was. It was awesome.

1222
01:07:16.880 --> 01:07:22.239
<v Speaker 2>I had a great team, the n C i C

1223
01:07:22.440 --> 01:07:26.639
<v Speaker 2>for the S four shop Sergeant Queen. He was probably

1224
01:07:26.760 --> 01:07:28.679
<v Speaker 2>the best person that I could have worked with. Then.

1225
01:07:29.679 --> 01:07:32.199
<v Speaker 2>He had been in Range Regiment his entire life. He

1226
01:07:32.519 --> 01:07:36.159
<v Speaker 2>knew Range regiment like like.

1227
01:07:36.840 --> 01:07:38.079
<v Speaker 3>He knew it so well.

1228
01:07:38.480 --> 01:07:41.079
<v Speaker 2>So I was able to get so much information from

1229
01:07:41.199 --> 01:07:44.199
<v Speaker 2>him and rely on him and learn from him, because

1230
01:07:44.239 --> 01:07:48.559
<v Speaker 2>when you're coming in as a captain who never served

1231
01:07:48.559 --> 01:07:51.760
<v Speaker 2>in Range of Regiment before, you literally know nothing. You

1232
01:07:51.800 --> 01:07:55.400
<v Speaker 2>know some basics, but like I didn't even know how

1233
01:07:55.440 --> 01:07:57.679
<v Speaker 2>to set up my radios, and I'm like, certain, Queen,

1234
01:07:58.280 --> 01:07:59.559
<v Speaker 2>can you want to fuck my radio again?

1235
01:07:59.599 --> 01:08:01.079
<v Speaker 3>Like I don't, Can you teach me?

1236
01:08:01.159 --> 01:08:03.519
<v Speaker 2>And so they would like they teach you how to

1237
01:08:03.559 --> 01:08:05.880
<v Speaker 2>do it, and they teach you the right way.

1238
01:08:05.920 --> 01:08:09.440
<v Speaker 3>They teach you how to do it the Ranger way, and.

1239
01:08:09.360 --> 01:08:14.599
<v Speaker 2>So that I was thankful for cool and I served

1240
01:08:14.679 --> 01:08:17.960
<v Speaker 2>under the now RCO. I think Colonel Boho is still

1241
01:08:17.960 --> 01:08:22.840
<v Speaker 2>the RCO. But he was an awesome leader. Loved loved

1242
01:08:22.920 --> 01:08:25.239
<v Speaker 2>learning from him, and he was very helpful.

1243
01:08:25.640 --> 01:08:27.520
<v Speaker 3>The only time that I did.

1244
01:08:29.159 --> 01:08:33.039
<v Speaker 2>Encounter some like interpersonal issues was in three seventy five,

1245
01:08:33.119 --> 01:08:35.199
<v Speaker 2>and I was able to work with Colonel Boho to

1246
01:08:35.439 --> 01:08:40.800
<v Speaker 2>like figure it out gracefully, and very thankful for him

1247
01:08:40.840 --> 01:08:42.199
<v Speaker 2>and all the leadership for that.

1248
01:08:42.239 --> 01:08:44.760
<v Speaker 3>But it was it was a very cool job.

1249
01:08:45.479 --> 01:08:47.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I wanted to ask you a little bit about

1250
01:08:47.520 --> 01:08:49.880
<v Speaker 1>that because you know, as I mentioned earlier, I'm kind

1251
01:08:49.880 --> 01:08:52.840
<v Speaker 1>of like a boomer Ranger at this point. I'm an

1252
01:08:52.880 --> 01:08:57.840
<v Speaker 1>older guy now, and it's hard to describe to somebody

1253
01:08:58.000 --> 01:09:00.920
<v Speaker 1>who never went through this experience putting the experience that

1254
01:09:00.960 --> 01:09:04.000
<v Speaker 1>you had. But like, the Ranger Regiment is very much

1255
01:09:04.000 --> 01:09:08.840
<v Speaker 1>a male oriented organization. It is in many ways, it's

1256
01:09:08.840 --> 01:09:11.279
<v Speaker 1>a sort of male utopia. It's like this sort of

1257
01:09:11.319 --> 01:09:14.960
<v Speaker 1>like hidden little enclave where guys can be guys and

1258
01:09:15.439 --> 01:09:17.399
<v Speaker 1>before the women showed up, you could poop with the

1259
01:09:17.439 --> 01:09:20.359
<v Speaker 1>door open, like all of these it's like a you know, yeah,

1260
01:09:20.479 --> 01:09:22.279
<v Speaker 1>very professional, but it also has a bit of a

1261
01:09:22.319 --> 01:09:26.960
<v Speaker 1>frat sort of vibe to it at times. What was

1262
01:09:27.000 --> 01:09:29.960
<v Speaker 1>it like for you, like integrating into those formations, like

1263
01:09:30.479 --> 01:09:33.199
<v Speaker 1>with all of these dudes, with all these bros and

1264
01:09:33.279 --> 01:09:36.680
<v Speaker 1>like we were you like becoming one of the bros.

1265
01:09:36.840 --> 01:09:38.720
<v Speaker 1>Was it hard for you to sort of like ingratiate

1266
01:09:38.720 --> 01:09:40.319
<v Speaker 1>yourself with that culture?

1267
01:09:42.399 --> 01:09:45.319
<v Speaker 2>You couldn't have said it better a male utopia of

1268
01:09:45.479 --> 01:09:50.359
<v Speaker 2>like like testosterone workouts, red bull all that.

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01:09:50.920 --> 01:09:51.760
<v Speaker 3>It's so funny.

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01:09:52.880 --> 01:09:57.760
<v Speaker 2>But what was interesting was in the regimental logistic cell

1271
01:09:58.199 --> 01:10:02.479
<v Speaker 2>and in three seven five there were no women locker rooms.

1272
01:10:02.479 --> 01:10:04.800
<v Speaker 2>No one thought to make a woman locker room when

1273
01:10:04.800 --> 01:10:06.520
<v Speaker 2>they were building those buildings.

1274
01:10:07.159 --> 01:10:10.399
<v Speaker 3>And so I, like I showed up and.

1275
01:10:11.880 --> 01:10:15.880
<v Speaker 2>The both teams they built women's locker rooms for me.

1276
01:10:16.439 --> 01:10:20.239
<v Speaker 2>And it just goes to show that, like, sure it

1277
01:10:20.239 --> 01:10:23.239
<v Speaker 2>may be a male utopia, I may not be a male,

1278
01:10:23.319 --> 01:10:25.439
<v Speaker 2>I'm a woman, but they don't care. I'm still a

1279
01:10:25.439 --> 01:10:27.720
<v Speaker 2>member of the team and they're gonna treat me like

1280
01:10:28.279 --> 01:10:32.239
<v Speaker 2>with as much respect as they would a dude.

1281
01:10:32.680 --> 01:10:34.279
<v Speaker 3>And it meant a lot to me.

1282
01:10:34.399 --> 01:10:36.880
<v Speaker 2>They like made me this little locker room thing and

1283
01:10:36.960 --> 01:10:41.439
<v Speaker 2>made sure I was like good to go. So it

1284
01:10:41.560 --> 01:10:44.920
<v Speaker 2>was very very kind, and it just goes to show

1285
01:10:44.960 --> 01:10:47.920
<v Speaker 2>that like on the outside it's a male utopia and everything,

1286
01:10:47.920 --> 01:10:50.479
<v Speaker 2>but like when you're in it, like they just saw

1287
01:10:50.520 --> 01:10:52.359
<v Speaker 2>me as like, Okay, we have a team member, she's

1288
01:10:52.439 --> 01:10:55.159
<v Speaker 2>kind of different. Will adjust for her needs, but like

1289
01:10:55.399 --> 01:11:01.960
<v Speaker 2>continue mission. Like it wasn't anything crazy. I I didn't

1290
01:11:02.000 --> 01:11:06.560
<v Speaker 2>act any different than I have or did. I didn't

1291
01:11:06.600 --> 01:11:09.760
<v Speaker 2>try to be like Brokee Hayley. I didn't try to dip.

1292
01:11:09.840 --> 01:11:15.039
<v Speaker 1>I didn't try to do like all this Copenhagen and

1293
01:11:15.119 --> 01:11:17.319
<v Speaker 1>the lower lip yeah yeah.

1294
01:11:17.279 --> 01:11:22.520
<v Speaker 3>No, absolutely not. I had my uh hair nice and neat.

1295
01:11:22.560 --> 01:11:24.760
<v Speaker 3>I would have my little lip gloss on. I would

1296
01:11:24.800 --> 01:11:29.920
<v Speaker 3>look good. I I was professional uh and.

1297
01:11:30.119 --> 01:11:32.680
<v Speaker 2>And I showed up as myself because if if I didn't,

1298
01:11:32.680 --> 01:11:34.560
<v Speaker 2>I wouldn't be able to be successful there.

1299
01:11:34.600 --> 01:11:37.000
<v Speaker 3>If I was trying to be a bro and.

1300
01:11:37.159 --> 01:11:41.039
<v Speaker 2>Like snagging a zin from a guy, like it wouldn't

1301
01:11:41.760 --> 01:11:43.319
<v Speaker 2>it's not who I am, and I would be like

1302
01:11:43.520 --> 01:11:46.520
<v Speaker 2>living alive basically, and I wouldn't be able to be

1303
01:11:46.880 --> 01:11:48.159
<v Speaker 2>like truly successful.

1304
01:11:48.319 --> 01:11:48.960
<v Speaker 1>And I was.

1305
01:11:49.119 --> 01:11:49.319
<v Speaker 2>It was.

1306
01:11:49.840 --> 01:11:50.439
<v Speaker 3>It was great.

1307
01:11:50.560 --> 01:11:53.159
<v Speaker 2>Everyone everyone treated me with dignity.

1308
01:11:53.239 --> 01:11:53.760
<v Speaker 3>And respect.

1309
01:11:53.880 --> 01:11:54.119
<v Speaker 1>It was.

1310
01:11:54.680 --> 01:11:56.159
<v Speaker 3>It was very cool to see.

1311
01:11:57.640 --> 01:12:00.479
<v Speaker 2>Like one instance and I can pinpoint then visual and

1312
01:12:00.560 --> 01:12:04.279
<v Speaker 2>the time and place that it wasn't okay behavior.

1313
01:12:04.439 --> 01:12:08.680
<v Speaker 3>But other than that, like every NCO treated me with respect.

1314
01:12:08.840 --> 01:12:12.079
<v Speaker 2>They were they were stoked to see a woman. They

1315
01:12:12.439 --> 01:12:17.399
<v Speaker 2>were welcoming. When Colonel Bobo left and then the new

1316
01:12:17.720 --> 01:12:22.479
<v Speaker 2>brigade or battalion commander came in. He just shows up

1317
01:12:22.640 --> 01:12:25.159
<v Speaker 2>at like one of the change of command planning meetings

1318
01:12:25.199 --> 01:12:27.600
<v Speaker 2>and he sees me, I'm like sitting there like typing

1319
01:12:27.640 --> 01:12:29.840
<v Speaker 2>my notes or whatever, and he like double takes.

1320
01:12:29.840 --> 01:12:32.760
<v Speaker 3>He's like, oh, there's one thing changed here.

1321
01:12:33.800 --> 01:12:34.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

1322
01:12:34.199 --> 01:12:39.359
<v Speaker 3>It was really funny, but uh, it was. It was great.

1323
01:12:39.479 --> 01:12:42.520
<v Speaker 3>As long as you show up as yourself, you'll be successful.

1324
01:12:42.600 --> 01:12:45.199
<v Speaker 2>Like, don't try to don't try to be like the

1325
01:12:45.319 --> 01:12:47.800
<v Speaker 2>bro version of you to get some dude's approval who

1326
01:12:47.880 --> 01:12:50.800
<v Speaker 2>you don't need, because like, we belong in these spaces

1327
01:12:51.680 --> 01:12:52.239
<v Speaker 2>and they will.

1328
01:12:52.560 --> 01:12:54.439
<v Speaker 3>They will make the space at the table for you.

1329
01:12:54.520 --> 01:12:58.279
<v Speaker 2>They will make you the the locker rooms because people

1330
01:12:58.479 --> 01:13:01.680
<v Speaker 2>in the units, in those formations, they respect you.

1331
01:13:01.840 --> 01:13:03.800
<v Speaker 3>If you can meet the standards, whether you're a male

1332
01:13:04.159 --> 01:13:04.600
<v Speaker 3>or a woman.

1333
01:13:04.760 --> 01:13:07.079
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I was gonna say you can do pt and

1334
01:13:07.239 --> 01:13:09.239
<v Speaker 1>like that's the kind of thing that gets you respect

1335
01:13:09.399 --> 01:13:12.720
<v Speaker 1>in the Range of regiment. It's like it values strength

1336
01:13:12.800 --> 01:13:13.880
<v Speaker 1>and endurance.

1337
01:13:13.560 --> 01:13:18.119
<v Speaker 2>Right, yeah, absolutely, And like, like I said, I'll never

1338
01:13:18.239 --> 01:13:20.760
<v Speaker 2>be the smartest person in the room, but I can

1339
01:13:21.039 --> 01:13:22.800
<v Speaker 2>run just as well as most of the guys, and

1340
01:13:22.880 --> 01:13:25.520
<v Speaker 2>I can ruck just as well. Can't clean and jerk

1341
01:13:25.880 --> 01:13:30.600
<v Speaker 2>however much. But also on that note, some of the

1342
01:13:30.640 --> 01:13:33.319
<v Speaker 2>guys in range regiment are truly freak athletes. They're like

1343
01:13:33.439 --> 01:13:36.960
<v Speaker 2>clocking in five thirty minute per mile five mile times

1344
01:13:36.960 --> 01:13:40.840
<v Speaker 2>and I'm like, how is that physically possible? It's insane.

1345
01:13:40.960 --> 01:13:44.279
<v Speaker 3>It is so cool to see people just casually.

1346
01:13:44.880 --> 01:13:46.920
<v Speaker 2>They're the ones take it out the dip and handing

1347
01:13:46.960 --> 01:13:50.119
<v Speaker 2>the monster over and just like going at It's so cool.

1348
01:13:50.560 --> 01:13:52.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. That's also being you know, twenty one years old

1349
01:13:53.279 --> 01:13:58.760
<v Speaker 1>helps at that point. Yes, the one incident that did

1350
01:13:58.880 --> 01:14:01.479
<v Speaker 1>happen that you know, yeah, get resolved. Are you okay

1351
01:14:01.600 --> 01:14:02.680
<v Speaker 1>talking about that at all?

1352
01:14:03.800 --> 01:14:04.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

1353
01:14:04.199 --> 01:14:04.479
<v Speaker 1>It was.

1354
01:14:05.319 --> 01:14:10.760
<v Speaker 2>It was one of my peers actually, and they're just

1355
01:14:10.880 --> 01:14:14.239
<v Speaker 2>sexist through and through. I experienced bad things with them

1356
01:14:14.439 --> 01:14:21.640
<v Speaker 2>previously at another institution, and they just were sexist and

1357
01:14:22.000 --> 01:14:26.079
<v Speaker 2>they they may have not liked that I wasn't friendly

1358
01:14:26.159 --> 01:14:27.720
<v Speaker 2>with them or something.

1359
01:14:28.239 --> 01:14:32.119
<v Speaker 3>But I was like, this is becoming a toxic workplace.

1360
01:14:32.199 --> 01:14:35.000
<v Speaker 2>And at the time, I was going through some like

1361
01:14:35.199 --> 01:14:39.600
<v Speaker 2>other personal stuff outside of my day job, and I

1362
01:14:39.800 --> 01:14:41.920
<v Speaker 2>was just like in a really bad space. But I

1363
01:14:43.119 --> 01:14:46.479
<v Speaker 2>recognized the poor treatment and behavior. I knew I didn't

1364
01:14:46.520 --> 01:14:49.279
<v Speaker 2>deserve it, and so I was able to address it.

1365
01:14:51.039 --> 01:14:55.079
<v Speaker 2>And I don't want to say resolved, because he still

1366
01:14:55.159 --> 01:14:56.520
<v Speaker 2>is a sexist person, but like.

1367
01:14:56.880 --> 01:14:58.960
<v Speaker 3>We were able to work it out right.

1368
01:15:00.479 --> 01:15:02.880
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I'd be interested to again if you're okay

1369
01:15:03.000 --> 01:15:05.880
<v Speaker 1>talking about it, Like, how was the situation resolved and

1370
01:15:05.920 --> 01:15:07.680
<v Speaker 1>how did you address it with your chain of command?

1371
01:15:09.199 --> 01:15:09.399
<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

1372
01:15:09.520 --> 01:15:10.119
<v Speaker 3>Absolutely.

1373
01:15:10.840 --> 01:15:13.680
<v Speaker 2>I picked up the phone when I like was at

1374
01:15:13.720 --> 01:15:15.439
<v Speaker 2>my breaking point. I picked up the phone and I

1375
01:15:15.560 --> 01:15:18.119
<v Speaker 2>called our battalion XO and I was like, hey, sir,

1376
01:15:18.640 --> 01:15:22.319
<v Speaker 2>this is happening and it's not okay. And he was

1377
01:15:22.399 --> 01:15:25.479
<v Speaker 2>like whoa Heley, Yeah, that is absolutely not okay. Would

1378
01:15:25.479 --> 01:15:27.319
<v Speaker 2>you be willing to talk to Colonel Boho about it?

1379
01:15:27.359 --> 01:15:30.439
<v Speaker 2>I'm think absolutely, sir. So I go and I have

1380
01:15:30.560 --> 01:15:33.399
<v Speaker 2>an office call with Colonel Boho. He hears what I

1381
01:15:33.520 --> 01:15:37.159
<v Speaker 2>have to say and he's like, Yep, this isn't this

1382
01:15:37.359 --> 01:15:43.720
<v Speaker 2>isn't okay, And he talked with the individual, and the

1383
01:15:44.479 --> 01:15:49.000
<v Speaker 2>the interactions with that individual after became fine. But I

1384
01:15:49.119 --> 01:15:53.680
<v Speaker 2>know it's because his boss probably yelled at him. Yeah,

1385
01:15:53.920 --> 01:15:57.560
<v Speaker 2>But never did I feel like I couldn't speak up

1386
01:15:57.800 --> 01:16:01.159
<v Speaker 2>or that I like my issues wouldn't be respected or

1387
01:16:01.279 --> 01:16:02.520
<v Speaker 2>heard from leadership.

1388
01:16:03.760 --> 01:16:06.279
<v Speaker 3>And I was, I want to say, like the third

1389
01:16:06.439 --> 01:16:07.159
<v Speaker 3>woman to be.

1390
01:16:07.920 --> 01:16:12.279
<v Speaker 2>In three seventy five, because there was a platoon leader

1391
01:16:12.319 --> 01:16:14.560
<v Speaker 2>before me and then a meadow before me, and.

1392
01:16:14.640 --> 01:16:18.920
<v Speaker 3>They've had some issues. But at the end of the day,

1393
01:16:18.920 --> 01:16:19.479
<v Speaker 3>it's also.

1394
01:16:19.399 --> 01:16:21.680
<v Speaker 2>The army, and the army will be the Army, whether

1395
01:16:21.680 --> 01:16:27.399
<v Speaker 2>you're in Ranger Regiment, Special Forces or to too Striker Regade.

1396
01:16:27.479 --> 01:16:33.199
<v Speaker 2>So there's assholes everywhere. And I wouldn't pin that interaction

1397
01:16:33.399 --> 01:16:36.600
<v Speaker 2>on Ranger Regiment, just that individual.

1398
01:16:37.159 --> 01:16:39.039
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And I was going to say, I think it

1399
01:16:39.479 --> 01:16:43.640
<v Speaker 1>is a positive thing that the institution the regiment addressed

1400
01:16:43.680 --> 01:16:47.439
<v Speaker 1>it immediately like that, because, as you say, there's always

1401
01:16:47.439 --> 01:16:49.199
<v Speaker 1>going to be assholes out there. You just hope that

1402
01:16:49.279 --> 01:16:51.560
<v Speaker 1>the organization does the right thing when they find out

1403
01:16:51.600 --> 01:16:52.199
<v Speaker 1>about it, right.

1404
01:16:53.279 --> 01:16:57.600
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, absolutely, And like I'm I'm no dummy.

1405
01:16:57.720 --> 01:16:59.680
<v Speaker 2>I know that I was like one of two one

1406
01:16:59.720 --> 01:17:01.880
<v Speaker 2>of the three women in range of regiment at the time,

1407
01:17:02.000 --> 01:17:05.039
<v Speaker 2>so everyone knew everything that I was doing. The RCO

1408
01:17:05.119 --> 01:17:08.680
<v Speaker 2>at the time knew everything that I was doing. And

1409
01:17:10.359 --> 01:17:14.640
<v Speaker 2>so when my like issue at three seven five happened,

1410
01:17:14.720 --> 01:17:20.840
<v Speaker 2>is like, of course he heard and everything was handled. Wonderful.

1411
01:17:21.520 --> 01:17:24.880
<v Speaker 3>Leadership was very respectful.

1412
01:17:25.119 --> 01:17:29.479
<v Speaker 2>They were able to help me work through everything, and

1413
01:17:30.600 --> 01:17:34.439
<v Speaker 2>regiment as a whole, like ten out of ten professional organization.

1414
01:17:34.640 --> 01:17:35.840
<v Speaker 3>Just the one guy kind of.

1415
01:17:35.840 --> 01:17:42.560
<v Speaker 1>Said, yeah, excuse me, so I kind of winding down

1416
01:17:42.600 --> 01:17:45.479
<v Speaker 1>your time as a S four, What is it that

1417
01:17:45.560 --> 01:17:48.319
<v Speaker 1>you're thinking about doing next at this point in your life?

1418
01:17:49.439 --> 01:17:53.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so I I was at another decision point in

1419
01:17:53.600 --> 01:17:56.319
<v Speaker 2>my life. I kind of touched on. I was going

1420
01:17:56.359 --> 01:17:58.479
<v Speaker 2>through some personal stuff again.

1421
01:17:58.760 --> 01:18:01.520
<v Speaker 3>I needed help.

1422
01:18:01.600 --> 01:18:06.479
<v Speaker 2>I was definitely going through some bout of depression or anxiety.

1423
01:18:06.640 --> 01:18:09.439
<v Speaker 3>I didn't really know what it was, but I went

1424
01:18:09.520 --> 01:18:10.159
<v Speaker 3>and got help.

1425
01:18:11.199 --> 01:18:12.920
<v Speaker 2>I was I needed to talk to like a therapist

1426
01:18:13.039 --> 01:18:15.680
<v Speaker 2>or something, and I was like, I think I just

1427
01:18:15.960 --> 01:18:19.039
<v Speaker 2>need a career change. And that's when I recognized. I

1428
01:18:19.159 --> 01:18:22.760
<v Speaker 2>was like, I don't love the Army anymore. I am

1429
01:18:22.920 --> 01:18:25.479
<v Speaker 2>in one of the most elite units. I am one

1430
01:18:25.560 --> 01:18:28.479
<v Speaker 2>of seven women to ever do so, but I don't

1431
01:18:28.600 --> 01:18:32.159
<v Speaker 2>love it. So I was like, this is a good sign.

1432
01:18:32.399 --> 01:18:35.840
<v Speaker 2>I am at peace with the decision. It's time to

1433
01:18:35.920 --> 01:18:39.119
<v Speaker 2>get out. So I for the second time, dropped my

1434
01:18:39.399 --> 01:18:44.760
<v Speaker 2>refrad packet and was looking into the tech industry. I

1435
01:18:46.680 --> 01:18:47.880
<v Speaker 2>used break Line.

1436
01:18:48.319 --> 01:18:49.520
<v Speaker 3>They are a really.

1437
01:18:49.359 --> 01:18:53.640
<v Speaker 2>Great organization for veterans, women, people of color who are

1438
01:18:53.680 --> 01:18:56.319
<v Speaker 2>looking for like a career change into the tech industry,

1439
01:18:57.560 --> 01:19:02.600
<v Speaker 2>and they help a lot with like elevator speech or pitches,

1440
01:19:03.039 --> 01:19:04.359
<v Speaker 2>resume help and everything.

1441
01:19:04.439 --> 01:19:08.000
<v Speaker 3>So I was able to use them and apply for

1442
01:19:08.079 --> 01:19:08.720
<v Speaker 3>some jobs.

1443
01:19:09.760 --> 01:19:14.119
<v Speaker 2>But the big ego hit is when you're on an

1444
01:19:14.199 --> 01:19:17.720
<v Speaker 2>interview call with like a tech startup who does like

1445
01:19:18.399 --> 01:19:23.800
<v Speaker 2>some hybrid car, AI driving car or whatever, and you're

1446
01:19:23.840 --> 01:19:26.199
<v Speaker 2>telling them, yeah, I went to Range Regiment and they

1447
01:19:26.359 --> 01:19:28.840
<v Speaker 2>just like they're like, way, they don't even look at you.

1448
01:19:28.920 --> 01:19:32.119
<v Speaker 2>They're looking at a second screen, and you're like, dang, yeah,

1449
01:19:32.199 --> 01:19:34.680
<v Speaker 2>no one, no one really cares in this industry. So

1450
01:19:35.279 --> 01:19:38.880
<v Speaker 2>I looked at defense tech and I was like, they

1451
01:19:39.039 --> 01:19:41.279
<v Speaker 2>know my background, they know like the weight of that

1452
01:19:41.359 --> 01:19:45.720
<v Speaker 2>accomplishment or of my accomplishments, and it's like sure tech

1453
01:19:45.800 --> 01:19:48.159
<v Speaker 2>may be formed, but defense industry.

1454
01:19:48.000 --> 01:19:49.600
<v Speaker 3>I know it like the back of my hands.

1455
01:19:49.640 --> 01:19:50.359
<v Speaker 2>So I.

1456
01:19:52.000 --> 01:19:53.000
<v Speaker 3>Got a job at a.

1457
01:19:53.119 --> 01:19:55.680
<v Speaker 2>Small defense tech startup because of a guy who I

1458
01:19:55.760 --> 01:19:59.319
<v Speaker 2>served with in range Regiment. So it's using your network

1459
01:19:59.399 --> 01:20:03.119
<v Speaker 2>having those that I like thought about back in West Point,

1460
01:20:03.279 --> 01:20:07.119
<v Speaker 2>and it was a I didn't love the job. It

1461
01:20:07.479 --> 01:20:13.399
<v Speaker 2>uh wasn't wasn't a good fit. And I now work

1462
01:20:13.479 --> 01:20:16.720
<v Speaker 2>at a bigger tech company in just like the normal

1463
01:20:16.840 --> 01:20:21.600
<v Speaker 2>tech industry. And again I work with like the majority

1464
01:20:21.640 --> 01:20:24.319
<v Speaker 2>of the guys on my team are veterans, so we

1465
01:20:24.479 --> 01:20:27.680
<v Speaker 2>still have kind of like that army mentality. Team. First,

1466
01:20:27.800 --> 01:20:30.359
<v Speaker 2>we help each other out, We hustle, we'd stay up

1467
01:20:30.479 --> 01:20:33.680
<v Speaker 2>late doing slides if need be like a staff officer

1468
01:20:33.760 --> 01:20:34.439
<v Speaker 2>all over again.

1469
01:20:36.159 --> 01:20:37.920
<v Speaker 3>But it's uh, it's great.

1470
01:20:38.079 --> 01:20:41.359
<v Speaker 2>And so if anyone's like looking to get into the

1471
01:20:41.439 --> 01:20:44.680
<v Speaker 2>tech industry, like, find a little sliver of commonality you

1472
01:20:44.760 --> 01:20:45.680
<v Speaker 2>may have within.

1473
01:20:45.520 --> 01:20:48.640
<v Speaker 3>It and then just exploit that the best you can.

1474
01:20:48.920 --> 01:20:54.199
<v Speaker 2>But it was a pretty easy transition from army into tech,

1475
01:20:54.479 --> 01:20:57.880
<v Speaker 2>and uh, I've been very thankful for the people who

1476
01:20:57.920 --> 01:20:58.840
<v Speaker 2>have helped me along the way.

1477
01:20:58.960 --> 01:20:59.920
<v Speaker 3>It's been. It's been awesome.

1478
01:21:00.439 --> 01:21:03.800
<v Speaker 1>What do you do more specifically in the tech industry,

1479
01:21:03.920 --> 01:21:07.880
<v Speaker 1>first defense tech and now wider technology. Is it back

1480
01:21:07.920 --> 01:21:09.720
<v Speaker 1>to logistics or is it more management.

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01:21:11.079 --> 01:21:14.439
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it has nothing to do with logistics besides creative

1482
01:21:14.520 --> 01:21:18.800
<v Speaker 2>problem solving, and like, thank goodness for my logistics background

1483
01:21:18.800 --> 01:21:20.720
<v Speaker 2>because I feel like it has helped me become like

1484
01:21:20.920 --> 01:21:23.119
<v Speaker 2>a Swiss Army knife, like being able to solve any

1485
01:21:23.199 --> 01:21:26.760
<v Speaker 2>problem just by getting the right people to attack it.

1486
01:21:28.800 --> 01:21:35.199
<v Speaker 2>At the first tech startup, I was a customer success person,

1487
01:21:35.319 --> 01:21:37.920
<v Speaker 2>so it's like, after the tech is sold, you go

1488
01:21:38.079 --> 01:21:39.960
<v Speaker 2>make sure that they use it and that they renew

1489
01:21:40.079 --> 01:21:43.800
<v Speaker 2>their license. And for me that was not a good

1490
01:21:43.840 --> 01:21:47.439
<v Speaker 2>fit because I was just leaving the military and I

1491
01:21:47.560 --> 01:21:50.840
<v Speaker 2>was going like onto army bases and working with like

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01:21:51.479 --> 01:21:55.560
<v Speaker 2>NCOs and like s two officers and like right back

1493
01:21:55.680 --> 01:21:57.359
<v Speaker 2>to where I left because I was like, I wanted

1494
01:21:57.399 --> 01:21:59.359
<v Speaker 2>to get out of the army, but no, I'm just

1495
01:21:59.439 --> 01:22:02.159
<v Speaker 2>wearing a cue outfit in the army. So it was

1496
01:22:02.800 --> 01:22:03.079
<v Speaker 2>it was.

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01:22:03.880 --> 01:22:06.640
<v Speaker 3>It was interesting, short lived though, and now.

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01:22:06.640 --> 01:22:09.399
<v Speaker 2>I do a go to market strategy for a big

1499
01:22:09.560 --> 01:22:14.239
<v Speaker 2>tech firm, so again it's a it's definitely a lot

1500
01:22:14.279 --> 01:22:19.800
<v Speaker 2>of problem solving. It's interpersonal skills, bringing together outside partners

1501
01:22:19.920 --> 01:22:23.560
<v Speaker 2>and like coming up with a creative solution to I mean,

1502
01:22:23.600 --> 01:22:25.239
<v Speaker 2>at the end of the day, get more money for

1503
01:22:25.319 --> 01:22:29.000
<v Speaker 2>the company. But building those relationships so that like they

1504
01:22:29.159 --> 01:22:32.239
<v Speaker 2>trust our tech, they trust who we are and how

1505
01:22:32.439 --> 01:22:36.920
<v Speaker 2>we we help them get more money. So it's it's

1506
01:22:36.960 --> 01:22:37.920
<v Speaker 2>a very cool job.

1507
01:22:38.960 --> 01:22:40.520
<v Speaker 3>And my team is just it.

1508
01:22:41.199 --> 01:22:45.159
<v Speaker 2>It's great. I have like some pjs, a j TAC,

1509
01:22:46.119 --> 01:22:50.279
<v Speaker 2>like a bunch of cool people and we're just kind

1510
01:22:50.319 --> 01:22:53.760
<v Speaker 2>of like the veteran crew just like getting shit done.

1511
01:22:53.800 --> 01:22:54.359
<v Speaker 3>It's very cool.

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01:22:54.800 --> 01:22:58.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's great. And you also started this thing with

1513
01:22:59.079 --> 01:23:04.319
<v Speaker 1>your friend from point I think Jasmine, Yeah, it was.

1514
01:23:04.560 --> 01:23:07.239
<v Speaker 2>It was interesting when I was at that first tech startup,

1515
01:23:07.319 --> 01:23:09.840
<v Speaker 2>I was like is this it is this what people

1516
01:23:10.039 --> 01:23:12.680
<v Speaker 2>do just like work their nine to five and like

1517
01:23:13.039 --> 01:23:13.399
<v Speaker 2>that's it.

1518
01:23:14.600 --> 01:23:15.680
<v Speaker 3>So there was like a big.

1519
01:23:17.479 --> 01:23:22.600
<v Speaker 2>Like void of like purpose helping others and like a

1520
01:23:22.680 --> 01:23:26.399
<v Speaker 2>greater mission almost. And so Jasmine, who's also getting out

1521
01:23:26.439 --> 01:23:27.600
<v Speaker 2>of the army she worked.

1522
01:23:27.399 --> 01:23:29.000
<v Speaker 3>For used to Sock.

1523
01:23:29.159 --> 01:23:32.039
<v Speaker 2>She was like the aide de camp to the deputy

1524
01:23:32.079 --> 01:23:34.319
<v Speaker 2>commander there, so she's been in and out of that

1525
01:23:34.399 --> 01:23:39.680
<v Speaker 2>community quite frequently as well. We decided to start Serve

1526
01:23:40.000 --> 01:23:45.760
<v Speaker 2>SRV because the service was what was lacking in our life,

1527
01:23:45.920 --> 01:23:50.800
<v Speaker 2>and it's just kind of how we frame it. It's

1528
01:23:50.840 --> 01:23:53.079
<v Speaker 2>like what you do, it's how you fill your cup.

1529
01:23:53.119 --> 01:23:55.600
<v Speaker 2>It's how you help others, It's how you help yourself.

1530
01:23:55.960 --> 01:23:58.680
<v Speaker 2>How do you serve your community, how do you serve you?

1531
01:24:00.039 --> 01:24:02.720
<v Speaker 2>And we're trying to make it into something great. It

1532
01:24:02.840 --> 01:24:08.800
<v Speaker 2>will be focusing on mentorship and helping like people get

1533
01:24:08.840 --> 01:24:12.159
<v Speaker 2>into the tech industry, helping soldiers try to figure out

1534
01:24:12.199 --> 01:24:14.880
<v Speaker 2>their path in the army or military or navy or whatever.

1535
01:24:16.720 --> 01:24:21.880
<v Speaker 3>It's very cool and because after the Army.

1536
01:24:21.760 --> 01:24:27.079
<v Speaker 2>I like just decided to finally become public in social media,

1537
01:24:27.840 --> 01:24:30.239
<v Speaker 2>even though every cell in my body is like, don't

1538
01:24:30.239 --> 01:24:31.239
<v Speaker 2>do it, Hayley, don't do it.

1539
01:24:32.520 --> 01:24:33.439
<v Speaker 3>We finally did it.

1540
01:24:33.800 --> 01:24:36.880
<v Speaker 2>But it's been awesome because the amount of people who

1541
01:24:37.000 --> 01:24:39.239
<v Speaker 2>reach out to us and they're like, WHOA, I didn't

1542
01:24:39.279 --> 01:24:42.159
<v Speaker 2>know women could be rangers either, Oh, women can go

1543
01:24:42.239 --> 01:24:45.600
<v Speaker 2>to a ranger school. And it's it's just very cool

1544
01:24:45.680 --> 01:24:48.159
<v Speaker 2>that we can help kind of be the change that

1545
01:24:48.279 --> 01:24:49.720
<v Speaker 2>we wanted to see in the world, to be the

1546
01:24:50.079 --> 01:24:53.800
<v Speaker 2>person that we probably needed back when we were lieutenants.

1547
01:24:53.880 --> 01:24:55.680
<v Speaker 3>But it's been awesome.

1548
01:24:55.760 --> 01:24:58.079
<v Speaker 2>And one of the one of the really cool parts

1549
01:24:58.079 --> 01:25:01.399
<v Speaker 2>about Serve is all these women who are trying to

1550
01:25:01.560 --> 01:25:04.479
<v Speaker 2>like go to s fas training up for ranger school.

1551
01:25:04.560 --> 01:25:06.680
<v Speaker 2>They have these spots they're doing it. They're like asking

1552
01:25:06.800 --> 01:25:10.000
<v Speaker 2>us for help. There's a woman going to buds here

1553
01:25:10.119 --> 01:25:13.000
<v Speaker 2>shortly and she's gonna crush it.

1554
01:25:13.760 --> 01:25:16.760
<v Speaker 3>She's like six foot tall, jacked. She's awesome.

1555
01:25:17.800 --> 01:25:20.840
<v Speaker 2>It's just very cool to like be in a community

1556
01:25:20.920 --> 01:25:25.520
<v Speaker 2>of people like like chasing greatness almost so it's awesome

1557
01:25:26.119 --> 01:25:26.880
<v Speaker 2>sharing the dream.

1558
01:25:28.359 --> 01:25:30.920
<v Speaker 1>Where where can people go to find Serve.

1559
01:25:32.560 --> 01:25:36.079
<v Speaker 2>We have a website team dash serve dot org and

1560
01:25:36.199 --> 01:25:40.159
<v Speaker 2>then we also have an Instagram and TikTok team or

1561
01:25:40.359 --> 01:25:45.600
<v Speaker 2>Serve dot ing on both cool sr dot ing and.

1562
01:25:45.760 --> 01:25:47.640
<v Speaker 1>Uh, you know the other thing I wanted to ask

1563
01:25:47.680 --> 01:25:50.399
<v Speaker 1>you about, you stay continue to stay quite active. I

1564
01:25:50.520 --> 01:25:52.800
<v Speaker 1>see on your Instagram, you know, training for an ultra

1565
01:25:52.920 --> 01:25:55.880
<v Speaker 1>marathon and you're running twelve miles a day and all this,

1566
01:25:56.079 --> 01:25:59.479
<v Speaker 1>Like I'm like, yeah, this this girl's crazy. But but

1567
01:25:59.560 --> 01:26:00.800
<v Speaker 1>you enjoy you love it, don't you?

1568
01:26:02.359 --> 01:26:07.640
<v Speaker 2>I do. I loved the person that I was when

1569
01:26:07.640 --> 01:26:10.600
<v Speaker 2>I was training up for regimental selection. I loved having

1570
01:26:10.720 --> 01:26:13.840
<v Speaker 2>that like that end goal looming over me and like

1571
01:26:13.960 --> 01:26:16.239
<v Speaker 2>something to chase after. And now that I'm a civilian

1572
01:26:16.279 --> 01:26:19.079
<v Speaker 2>and I don't have like a selection train up for

1573
01:26:19.399 --> 01:26:23.840
<v Speaker 2>I'm like trying to channel that energy into other athletic endeavors.

1574
01:26:23.960 --> 01:26:26.159
<v Speaker 2>And it's taken me a while since I've gotten out

1575
01:26:26.159 --> 01:26:31.079
<v Speaker 2>of the Army to kind of like settle into the

1576
01:26:31.720 --> 01:26:34.600
<v Speaker 2>needs that I need to have to be successful as

1577
01:26:34.680 --> 01:26:38.239
<v Speaker 2>like Hayley as me, and I've identified that that's like

1578
01:26:38.359 --> 01:26:40.560
<v Speaker 2>you need to have a goal, like some athletic goal

1579
01:26:40.640 --> 01:26:43.479
<v Speaker 2>that you're chasing. You need to stay busy, whether that's

1580
01:26:43.600 --> 01:26:47.439
<v Speaker 2>doing your day job, posting little tiktoks or like doing

1581
01:26:47.520 --> 01:26:52.399
<v Speaker 2>your MBA or mentoring people. And another thing is like

1582
01:26:52.479 --> 01:26:55.359
<v Speaker 2>waking up early and doing PTE, especially when you like

1583
01:26:55.439 --> 01:26:59.039
<v Speaker 2>are working from home. So I wake up and I

1584
01:26:59.119 --> 01:27:01.520
<v Speaker 2>go to a cross so I can interact with people.

1585
01:27:01.960 --> 01:27:04.039
<v Speaker 2>I can just mix up the energy in my day.

1586
01:27:05.640 --> 01:27:08.319
<v Speaker 2>But it's been really cool. Last year I trained, I

1587
01:27:08.640 --> 01:27:10.840
<v Speaker 2>trained for a marathon. I really didn't train. I just

1588
01:27:10.920 --> 01:27:14.239
<v Speaker 2>kind of ran it and I did very well. And

1589
01:27:14.479 --> 01:27:17.399
<v Speaker 2>now I'm like, okay, let's do an ultra. So that

1590
01:27:17.560 --> 01:27:20.560
<v Speaker 2>Ultra is in April, which I'm excited for. It's a

1591
01:27:20.600 --> 01:27:24.119
<v Speaker 2>fifty K, and then I have I find out tomorrow

1592
01:27:24.399 --> 01:27:28.079
<v Speaker 2>if I made the lottery for Leadville one hundred this year.

1593
01:27:28.239 --> 01:27:29.840
<v Speaker 3>So fingers crossed.

1594
01:27:31.119 --> 01:27:34.319
<v Speaker 1>You know, this is totally just a personal observation and

1595
01:27:34.600 --> 01:27:36.960
<v Speaker 1>some may agree or disagree, but I think that like

1596
01:27:37.680 --> 01:27:41.079
<v Speaker 1>when rangers leave the regiment and they become civilians, they

1597
01:27:42.039 --> 01:27:44.199
<v Speaker 1>there's like one of two or there's two ways you

1598
01:27:44.279 --> 01:27:45.960
<v Speaker 1>can go in, both of which are bad. One is

1599
01:27:46.000 --> 01:27:48.720
<v Speaker 1>to completely abandon your identity as a ranger and forget

1600
01:27:48.760 --> 01:27:51.880
<v Speaker 1>about it. The other is to not change and being

1601
01:27:51.960 --> 01:27:54.039
<v Speaker 1>able to you know, let go of some of that

1602
01:27:54.199 --> 01:27:58.119
<v Speaker 1>ranger identity and become something else. And yeah, I mean

1603
01:27:58.239 --> 01:28:02.319
<v Speaker 1>like doing pt It's like, you know, people get into

1604
01:28:02.359 --> 01:28:03.600
<v Speaker 1>trouble when they forget who they are.

1605
01:28:03.920 --> 01:28:09.000
<v Speaker 5>I really feel like, yeah, absolutely, and like I was,

1606
01:28:09.319 --> 01:28:12.159
<v Speaker 5>I was going through a weird, a weird version of

1607
01:28:12.239 --> 01:28:15.399
<v Speaker 5>myself when I forgot like what I thrived on for

1608
01:28:15.479 --> 01:28:18.359
<v Speaker 5>the last ten years, Like I was sleeping in, I

1609
01:28:18.560 --> 01:28:21.960
<v Speaker 5>wasn't working out, I wasn't like being on my shit.

1610
01:28:22.199 --> 01:28:26.560
<v Speaker 2>And luckily, like my husband, he's great, He's like, maybe

1611
01:28:26.560 --> 01:28:28.079
<v Speaker 2>you should do this, and I'm like, no, I'm not

1612
01:28:28.159 --> 01:28:28.640
<v Speaker 2>going to do it.

1613
01:28:28.720 --> 01:28:30.600
<v Speaker 3>And then I'm like, yeah, actually I will do it.

1614
01:28:30.840 --> 01:28:33.880
<v Speaker 2>So it's just like having a good support system who

1615
01:28:33.960 --> 01:28:35.359
<v Speaker 2>knows like who you are and.

1616
01:28:35.439 --> 01:28:38.319
<v Speaker 3>What you need is so crucial when you're out of

1617
01:28:38.359 --> 01:28:38.720
<v Speaker 3>the army.

1618
01:28:40.640 --> 01:28:44.399
<v Speaker 2>But absolutely and like there's the version of me that's

1619
01:28:44.720 --> 01:28:48.760
<v Speaker 2>hg Lead the way, army ranger whatever. But then there's

1620
01:28:48.800 --> 01:28:52.800
<v Speaker 2>also Hayley who's just like super girly into fashion, like

1621
01:28:53.319 --> 01:28:56.960
<v Speaker 2>bougie is all get out. So it's it's very fun

1622
01:28:57.039 --> 01:29:01.079
<v Speaker 2>to kind of let those two personalities collide, especially uh

1623
01:29:02.199 --> 01:29:05.840
<v Speaker 2>in like the social media eye of literally anyone who

1624
01:29:05.960 --> 01:29:06.720
<v Speaker 2>looks at my page.

1625
01:29:06.760 --> 01:29:10.000
<v Speaker 1>So it's it's it makes some people's heads explode, right

1626
01:29:10.039 --> 01:29:13.319
<v Speaker 1>because they can't like reconcile the two identities, you know,

1627
01:29:13.520 --> 01:29:15.960
<v Speaker 1>and it's to a different in a different way. I

1628
01:29:16.039 --> 01:29:18.479
<v Speaker 1>think it's true with like men too, Like if you

1629
01:29:18.600 --> 01:29:21.600
<v Speaker 1>were a ranger and you were this tough guy, don't

1630
01:29:21.640 --> 01:29:23.319
<v Speaker 1>think that you can't go to college and get a

1631
01:29:23.399 --> 01:29:26.880
<v Speaker 1>graduate degree. Like there's nothing other than a mental barrier.

1632
01:29:26.960 --> 01:29:29.439
<v Speaker 1>There's nothing stopping you from doing that. And I really

1633
01:29:29.600 --> 01:29:33.239
<v Speaker 1>encourage people like there's not a there's not a contradiction

1634
01:29:33.439 --> 01:29:35.000
<v Speaker 1>in the two identities.

1635
01:29:35.960 --> 01:29:39.720
<v Speaker 2>Exactly, Like you can staff me up right next to

1636
01:29:39.800 --> 01:29:42.680
<v Speaker 2>you and they're like, well, he's definitely the ranger and

1637
01:29:42.840 --> 01:29:46.079
<v Speaker 2>no one would think I ever like let alone apply

1638
01:29:46.239 --> 01:29:46.600
<v Speaker 2>to the be.

1639
01:29:46.680 --> 01:29:47.680
<v Speaker 3>In the army or whatever.

1640
01:29:48.960 --> 01:29:53.520
<v Speaker 2>It's it's very cool to see the the dimension of

1641
01:29:53.640 --> 01:30:00.800
<v Speaker 2>people and the like the uniqueness that the the dedication,

1642
01:30:01.079 --> 01:30:04.800
<v Speaker 2>the excellence that range a regiment demands. And it's also

1643
01:30:04.960 --> 01:30:07.159
<v Speaker 2>very cool to see what people do after it, kind

1644
01:30:07.199 --> 01:30:09.279
<v Speaker 2>of like you said, whether they like fully go into

1645
01:30:09.359 --> 01:30:11.800
<v Speaker 2>range your mode as civilian or like go down a

1646
01:30:11.880 --> 01:30:12.600
<v Speaker 2>different path.

1647
01:30:13.720 --> 01:30:15.439
<v Speaker 3>It's it's very interesting to see.

1648
01:30:17.960 --> 01:30:21.479
<v Speaker 1>So as we wrap up, any final lessons learned or

1649
01:30:21.520 --> 01:30:24.600
<v Speaker 1>pearls of wisdom or anything else you'd like to mention.

1650
01:30:26.399 --> 01:30:32.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean just being yourself in whatever environment you

1651
01:30:32.720 --> 01:30:37.560
<v Speaker 2>find yourself in. Throughout, like my entire Army career, there's

1652
01:30:37.600 --> 01:30:40.439
<v Speaker 2>always been like a huge setback and then just a

1653
01:30:41.239 --> 01:30:44.560
<v Speaker 2>gritty head down mode and then like a big success.

1654
01:30:45.560 --> 01:30:48.119
<v Speaker 2>So like, no matter where you are in life, just

1655
01:30:48.439 --> 01:30:52.600
<v Speaker 2>just keep going and staying true to yourself will make

1656
01:30:52.640 --> 01:30:55.600
<v Speaker 2>sure that you are not just successful when you achieve

1657
01:30:55.680 --> 01:31:00.600
<v Speaker 2>that goal, but that you're happy and just organizing that

1658
01:31:01.239 --> 01:31:03.279
<v Speaker 2>and that you do belong even if you don't look

1659
01:31:03.359 --> 01:31:05.319
<v Speaker 2>like the other people at the table. You you belong

1660
01:31:05.359 --> 01:31:08.000
<v Speaker 2>at that table. You put in the work and you

1661
01:31:08.079 --> 01:31:13.119
<v Speaker 2>earned it. So like me being an Army ranger, just

1662
01:31:13.199 --> 01:31:15.279
<v Speaker 2>like you said, people may not suspect it, but like

1663
01:31:15.760 --> 01:31:17.800
<v Speaker 2>I did just the same as amount of work as

1664
01:31:18.000 --> 01:31:20.640
<v Speaker 2>as as you and my other rangers.

1665
01:31:20.399 --> 01:31:21.399
<v Speaker 3>Like to the left and right.

1666
01:31:21.520 --> 01:31:25.600
<v Speaker 2>So showing up authentically as yourself is just as important

1667
01:31:25.640 --> 01:31:28.399
<v Speaker 2>as meeting the standards and like achieving that.

1668
01:31:28.439 --> 01:31:29.319
<v Speaker 3>Goal and everything like that.

1669
01:31:31.079 --> 01:31:33.800
<v Speaker 1>Where can people find you if they're looking for Haley

1670
01:31:34.600 --> 01:31:39.039
<v Speaker 1>on the internet professionally with Serve or with your IG

1671
01:31:39.319 --> 01:31:40.880
<v Speaker 1>or whatever else you want to plug?

1672
01:31:41.920 --> 01:31:47.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, absolutely so both Serve and my pages. We have

1673
01:31:47.039 --> 01:31:50.319
<v Speaker 2>an Instagram and a TikTok. Serve is SRV dot i

1674
01:31:50.640 --> 01:31:54.359
<v Speaker 2>G and then my stuff is HG Lead the Way,

1675
01:31:55.479 --> 01:31:58.439
<v Speaker 2>HG Lead the Ways on Instagram, TikTok and YouTube. So

1676
01:31:59.359 --> 01:32:03.039
<v Speaker 2>very excited and we're very active on both pages. So

1677
01:32:03.079 --> 01:32:05.520
<v Speaker 2>if you have any questions or need help with anything,

1678
01:32:06.760 --> 01:32:09.159
<v Speaker 2>shoot us a DM and we'll help you with that.

1679
01:32:09.800 --> 01:32:12.760
<v Speaker 1>It's super cool. Well, thank you Hailey for doing this interview.

1680
01:32:13.279 --> 01:32:17.199
<v Speaker 1>You're our first tabbed and scrolled ranger woman on the show.

1681
01:32:18.439 --> 01:32:21.600
<v Speaker 1>And I'll be honest, I asked you to come on

1682
01:32:21.720 --> 01:32:24.000
<v Speaker 1>the show because of the scroll, not the tab That's

1683
01:32:24.119 --> 01:32:27.880
<v Speaker 1>just how that's how it is. But bid, seriously, thank

1684
01:32:27.920 --> 01:32:28.479
<v Speaker 1>you for doing this.

1685
01:32:29.159 --> 01:32:31.680
<v Speaker 3>It has been great of course, and you know, I

1686
01:32:32.039 --> 01:32:35.880
<v Speaker 3>hope I'm not the last. So yeah, it's just great.

1687
01:32:35.960 --> 01:32:37.960
<v Speaker 2>It's an honor to be able to speak with you,

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<v Speaker 2>to talk about my what I've done, and to to Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I just learn a little bit more about everything.

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<v Speaker 3>So it's been awesome.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's great, and I hope a lot of the

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<v Speaker 1>young people out there who are thinking about joining the

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<v Speaker 1>Ranger Regiment see this and take something away from it.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, thank you again, Haley and all the rest

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<v Speaker 1>of you folks out there. We will see you next week.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you. Hey, guys, I want to tell all of

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<v Speaker 1>you today about a new newsletter that we're launching that

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<v Speaker 1>encompasses both the Teamhouse podcast, the eyes On podcast, and

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<v Speaker 1>the high Side News outlet, which I run with Sean Naylor.

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<v Speaker 1>The newsletter is gonna be once a week. It's gonna

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<v Speaker 1>come into your inbox and you're gonna get the most

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<v Speaker 1>current podcasts on eyes On and the Teamhouse and whatever's

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<v Speaker 1>topical or current on the high Side. So it's another

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<v Speaker 1>way for us to get the information out to you

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<v Speaker 1>as social media algorithms are pretty iffy and you never

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<v Speaker 1>really know what you're gonna get. So this is a

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<v Speaker 1>once a week email. It'll slide into your inbox and

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<v Speaker 1>it will have you know the greatest hits of that week.

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<v Speaker 1>It's really good man.

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<v Speaker 3>Checking it out.

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<v Speaker 1>The website for it is Teamhouse Podcast, dot kit dot com,

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<v Speaker 1>slash Join, Teamhouse Podcast dot kit dot com slash Join.

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<v Speaker 1>You go there and you enter into your email list

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<v Speaker 1>or you enter your email into the little thing on

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<v Speaker 1>So we really appreciate your support and I hope you'll

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<v Speaker 1>consider signing up where the link. The link will also

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<v Speaker 1>be down in the description if you're looking for it there,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's Teamhouse Podcast, dot Kit, k I, t Kilo India,

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