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somebody who actually lived it. Street Speak on erow dot

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net A r r oe dot net. Enjoy the exploration. Hello,

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Hi is this Christopher?

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Speaker 2: It is Hey.

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Speaker 1: What's up dude? It's Aerocollins. How are you doing today?

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Speaker 2: Good? How you doing doing?

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Speaker 1: Fantastic? Looking forward to sharing a conversation about your new

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book Big Shot, because dudes, you're in touch with something

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here that I think is going to create a lot

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of conversation.

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Speaker 2: Oh good, good, I'm really glad to hear that. Thank you.

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It's very kind of here.

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Speaker 1: You embrace the what if factor, And that's what I

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love about your writing is that it's like, oh what if?

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Oh oh what what if? I mean, did you face

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that while you were writing it?

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Speaker 2: No? No, what I would say, is uh that That's

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what I'm always thinking when I'm writing, is I'm always

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trying to figure out what would happen if you just

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took what's happening every day and then crank it just

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a little bit, you know, ten degrees further.

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Speaker 1: Don't you love that though, about being an author in

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the way that you can put a thought on a

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page and then you can work it out like a puzzle.

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Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely, that's I mean, that's the whole reason to write.

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It's to spill out what you know, what you've got

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in your brain, to figure out what you know.

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Speaker 1: Was there any oh wow factors when you were putting

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this in there about Jesse and Ramsey, because we're talking

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about two different people here that you know, they have

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two completely different personalities, but their paths meet. All right,

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I want to know how that met up on your page?

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Speaker 2: Well? I think that there was always going to be

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a I mean, first of all, you g always you

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have to have conflict, You always have to have conflict.

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But you start with I mean with any Jesse Stone novel.

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What's what's great is that Robert B. Parker did the

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hard work. You know, he created this this fantastic, fascinating character,

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and often I have to do is just wind him

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up and see where he goes. So what you have

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with what you have with Jesse is you have this

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guy who is always going to do the right thing,

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no matter what the cost. And what I think what

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I wanted to do was put him up against somebody

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who has no scruples and no ethics and has made

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a really good living out of that, has made himself

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incredibly wealthy out of that. And those are two different

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kinds of power. One is a very morally based power

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that comes from authority and from respect, and the other

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is the kind of power that you just buy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because when you when you when you bring in

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Jesse and and you bring him into this this hedge

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fund manager's issue, I mean it's like, I mean, it's

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there's such a sense of awareness there in the fact

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that he doesn't know everything but yet but he's now

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inside this world that my god, these hedge find people

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are these hedge fund people in the real world are

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owning NFL football teams right.

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Speaker 2: Right, There's a lot of power that comes with just

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enormous wealth. Yeah, and you know, obviously this guy's fictional,

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but you can. What you do is you take real

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world characteristics and you try to like you were, and

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like we were, just saying, crank them up to eleven

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and see what happens.

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Speaker 1: I love that kind of action because once again, that

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is the what if factor, because somewhere within a reader's

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what if, they're gonna see their identity. What if I

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would have been this one here? What if I would

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have been Ramsey? Or hey, do you think I could

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be like Jesse? I mean, I mean, there's so many

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what ifs that are in your writing because for some reason,

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I always feel like that you see us.

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Speaker 2: Oh thank you, that's really that's a huge compliment. What

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the person we want to be, guy who is battered

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and bruised but is still trying to do the right thing.

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be that guy. I think that there's only a very

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few people who don't, and those people are sociopaths. And

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that's who Ramsey is. Ramsey is a guy who will

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do anything for himself.

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Speaker 1: Well that that puts a lot of faith into this

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this line here, which is a quote that I absolutely

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love love, love. It's hard to get people to do

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the right thing when their paycheck depends on doing the

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wrong thing. Been there, how about you? We can relate with.

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Speaker 2: That, right right, everybody's been in that situation. Everybody has

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come up against a wall of somebody who just doesn't

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want to just doesn't isn't going to see it, just

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isn't going to do the right thing. And that's it's

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it's incredibly frustrating, it's incredibly maddening when you come up

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against that. So that's what that's. Yeah, I mean, if

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I was trying to tap into anything with this book,

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that was it.

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Speaker 1: So did you do you know someone like Ramsey Devlin

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in the in the way? Because I mean the you

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make him sound so real and so authentic. I'd love

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to know what your research was and or is there

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somebody in your life or were you just staring at

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a picture and said, yeah, you're the guy, You're the one,

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come on, let's go for a ride.

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Speaker 2: I was a reporter for a long time, and I

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was an investigative reporter, and then I was a business reporter.

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And you do see unfortunately people like that. You do

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see people knows I mean again ninety percent of the

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people I ran up against when I was a business reporter. We're,

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you know, good decent people just trying to make their

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business work. But there are always people who want to

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gain the system and scam people and hurt them. And

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when I was an investigative reporter, I ran into a

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lot more of those. And you will always see somebody

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who figures that just because somebody else has it doesn't

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mean it's theirs, and it's yeah, that's the kind of

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guy Ramsey is.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, But are you like me, Christopher in the way

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that because I deal with con artist as well, I

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mean literally every week. And the thing is, though, is

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the way that I identify them is I impersonate their voices,

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because a con artist keeps coming back, keeps coming back,

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keeps coming back, And so what happens is that as

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you're trying to explain the story, all of a sudden,

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now I'm impersonating their voice. And then but I love

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what you did. At least you put it in a book, man,

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to where you can sit there and give people their

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own voice, where they can have their own interpretation what

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they envision about what's going on with Ramsey. I mean,

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it's like there's just so much going on here.

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Speaker 2: Right What I think is really personally disappointing and saddening

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to me is that a lot of people today right

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now don't see the problem with being somebody like Ramsey.

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we have a lot There is no consequence for being

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a thief or a scam artist. It's like there's a

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real worry in my mind that you're the sucker. You

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don't take advantage of somebody else. And I think and

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I think that it's really unfortunate that a lot of

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people have taken that as as gospel. That we've got

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people who have proven that you can just fail upwards.

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Speaker 1: And yet what what what I mean right here in

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your own pages. I mean, you you talk about the

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new heights that you can reach, but then all you

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also identified that it could be fake, it could be criminal.

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I mean, you're playing both sides of the fence there

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where you're giving that reader that opportunity to say, Okay,

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what side of the fence am I going to go on?

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I'm going to go with the dark side because I

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just think that wearing the black cowboy hats of where

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I want to be.

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Speaker 2: Right right, I think that there's a lot of that.

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I mean, you can you see it in a lot

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of the stories we're telling right now, not and I mean,

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but you can also just see it in the news

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every day. You see it in people like Sam Bankman Treed,

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or Elizabeth Holmes from Far Andose.

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Speaker 1: Please Do Not Move. There's more with Christopher Farnsworth coming

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up next. The name of the book, Big Shot from

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Christopher Farnsworth. So what is it like for you to

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report at Because I realize you know that that we

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are authors, but at the same time, we're also journalists,

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and you kind of report in a way that you

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know how to get to that person that's inquisitive, but

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you also want to get to that person that wants

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to be taken for a journey or a ride through

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their imagination. I mean, you've nailed both sides of this.

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Speaker 2: Dude. Well, that's that's really kind of me to say,

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But yeah, that's what I'm trying to do. I'm trying

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to make this entertaining and not a sermon or a lecture,

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but I'm trying to trying to get that message out there.

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Speaker 1: Are you thinking of a series here at all? I

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mean because even as a writer, I sit there and go,

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what happens if this turns into a series or a movie.

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You can't you can't push that stuff aside anymore because

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they've made it so readily available for authors.

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Speaker 2: Right right, well, I mean yeah, Jesse, I mean, Jesse

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is a series right now. So yeah, he's going to

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continue to do I mean, I'm going to do the

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books as long as they'll let me. That's a mess,

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but I what, I yeah, what I That's again. What

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I love about Jesse is that you can put him

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in any situation and you will he will do the

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right thing. And that's the great thing about it. He's

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an actual hero.

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Speaker 1: Are you guilty of talking to Jesse when in the

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room and people think, who are you talking to? Because

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I'll do that because I because if I if I

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see a real life situation where I know that a

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book character will fit into it, oh hell yeah, I'm

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playing this out like actors on a stage, right. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I think everybody. I think every writer has those voices

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in their head. And I think you always try to yeah,

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and I mean, yeah, you're always talking to yourself. The

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great thing about being a writer is that you have

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imaginary friends all the time. You're never lonely.

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Speaker 1: We got to talk about that book cover because when

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they go to Amazon or they go to Barnes and Noble,

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I want them to know that book cover when they

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walk in, because there is such a mystery inside this

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book cover. It's darkened out the coins versus the cash.

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You know, there's the suit, the tie and you and

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your mind is going oh oh, oh oh, and then

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you have to pick it up. You've got to pick

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up the book just for that book cover.

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Speaker 2: That's really nicely. Yeah, I think I think Putnam did

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a fantastic job on the cover. But yeah, it's a

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guy in a suit and he's he's surrounded and there's yeah,

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gold bitcoins falling from this from the sky, and it's

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it's the dream that all of these guys push is

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that Yeah, money is you know, it's it's suits and

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cash and but there's this darkness behind it. It's this

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beautifully symbolic cover.

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Speaker 1: Well, what is it like for you as an author?

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We're talking about the bitcoins. We have physical evidence that

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the bitcoins are on that book cover, but but the

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average person still has no idea what a bitcoin is.

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They're envisioning things, and it's like, I think it's digital,

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is it not?

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Speaker 2: Right? I mean, that's the That's part of the problem

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with it is that it it invites that sort of

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mystery that's sort of like confusion. A lot of you know,

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people are investing in bitcoin and not really knowing what

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it is. It is. It is complicated, but essentially it's

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a security that it's only its only value is itself.

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It only goes up because people invest.

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Speaker 1: In the speaking of things that go up. Why did

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my guard instantly go up when you introduced Gary Armistead

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it because you you introduce him as a politician, and

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all of a sudden, my mind is going, ah ah

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yeah politician, Ah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Gary is yeah. Gary is is the consummate politician.

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He's everything that Jesse isn't, and he's the mayor of

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Paradise and he will it's you know, it's it's an

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amazing thing that the smaller the pie is, the harder

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people fight for their piece of it. It's a very

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small town. But Gary wants to be the absolute and

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only authority in it, so he of course hates Jesse.

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Speaker 1: But see there's conflict again. That takes us all the

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way back to the very beginning, right.

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Speaker 2: Right, And yeah, Jesse and and Gary do not get

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along and what and Gary is ostensibly his boss. But again,

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Jesse has the moral authority in that he actually works

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to protect people. He doesn't care about elections. He cares

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about doing that.

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Speaker 1: I think, am I wrong to think that Jesse is

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the is the epitome of being a modern day chameleon,

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because it seems like Jesse fits into everything.

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Speaker 2: Well, I know, I don't think that's wrong. I think

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that I think he's quiet. Yeah, I think so. Ye,

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So few people have that sort of you know, stillness

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at their center anymore, where they just they take things

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as it comes. And honestly, I mean again, I didn't

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create the character Robert B. Parker did. But when I

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think of him, when I think of that, I think

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of my grandfather, who was a very who was a

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quiet but extremely funny, wise moral man, and I was

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very lucky to have him in my life. But he

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had this he had this simple, quiet dignity and things

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would come at him and he would just he would

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just take them as they as they came. And that's

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what I try to. That's what I try to convey

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when I'm conveying Jess at the center of all this turmoil.

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Speaker 1: So what is it like for you as an author

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to step into a storyline that's been set up by

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somebody else and then to bring it forward? And the

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reason why I bring that up is because, my god,

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I've got forty some odd years of writing here. So

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I need you to come over here and go through

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my writing and say, yeah, when I was sitting down

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with Arrow, he was this is what he was writing with.

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I mean, because I think it's so fascinating that you

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can tap into the energy of another creative spirit and

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walk forward with it. I find that to be magical.

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That is something that that's a gift.

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Speaker 2: I really appreciate that. But I think that also, I mean,

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to me, I've been given a gift. I'm giving this

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huge legacy and I get a chance to put my

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mark on it. And it's very it's very humbling in

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some ways because he's a big shoes to kill. Robert B.

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Parker was, you know, for a lot of people, the

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greatest guy ever to do it, the greatest private eye

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writer ever, the greatest mystery writer ever, and that's a

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that's a huge legacy to be handed.

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Speaker 1: Well, don't you see this as a dear future reader moment,

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because I mean he obviously has handed this to you.

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So therefore, dear future reader, this is yours. Now take

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it to the next level.

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Speaker 2: I'm trying, Yeah, I'm trying to do my best, you know,

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and you just, yeah, you do your best and you

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give everything you possibly can. It's it's not anything you

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should you take for granted.

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Speaker 1: Do you ever sit there though in wonder, like when

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you see students in elementary school or even middle school,

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it's like the one thing that authors get what through

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life as they get older, is that understanding of why

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writing is so important. But it's like at that level

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in school, they're missing something. It's almost like you have

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no idea what writing. Sure, go read the book, but

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you got to write as well. There's something in the

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writing that you need for your future self.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, absolutely, I think it's part of what makes us human.

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And that's one reason, like, for instance, AI really disturbs

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me so much, is that it's so many people are saying,

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well that we can take that, we can take that

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away from kids, we can take that that effort and

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make it easier for them. And it's it shouldn't be easy.

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You should be you should have to work on how

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to express yourself because that is such an important part

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of what makes you human, but also what makes you

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able to communicate and convey yourself in the world.

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Speaker 1: See, you're not just an author, you're actually proving something.

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You're also proving to people that make this authentic. Make

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your work authentic. You know, this is what happens when

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you invest the time and the real human energy into it.

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And that's why I'm so proud of you, Christopher, and

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why your books are so important.

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Speaker 2: Well, thank you. That's really kind of you. I want

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to I mean, everybody when they write should be trying

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to find that they're authentic. Yes moment. And I had

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a really good writing teacher named John Rember and one

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of the things he taught me was he said, writing

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is the process of naming the things you love. I

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love that, Yeah, it was. I mean, it's true. It's

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like you should figure everything you write. There's nothing you

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write is just a one off or just you know,

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you know, like anything that you should just scribble out.

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That everything you write should come from your authentic self.

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Speaker 1: Wow. Where can people go to find out more about

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you and everything that you're putting inside your writing and

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future endeavors.

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Speaker 2: You can go to www dot Chris Farnsworth dot com.

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You can also find me on Facebook at author Chris Farnsworth,

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and those two places will have all the information you need.

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Speaker 1: Man, you got to come back to this show anytime

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in the future. The door is always going to be

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open for you.

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Speaker 2: Dude. Oh, that's really kind of you. Thank you so

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much for taking the time. I really appreciate you well having.

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Speaker 1: You'll be brilliant today.

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Speaker 2: Okay, you too. Take care