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first time all year where our quarterback depth became a problem,

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you know, because we really didn't have an option at

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least versus Texas Tech that was superior to Bear being

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fifty sixty percent healthy. You know, I think that's really

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what ultimately led to our demids because I'll say you this,

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for our first few drives. Roderick has a perfect game call.

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how to handle, which a lot of good defenses don't

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a quarterback that can run with all the different actions

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and motions, and you know, the players should pass with

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LG running down Hell really well, it would have been

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a very very interesting outcome if Bear doesn't get hurt,

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but we'll never know. But at the same time, you

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have to give Texas Tech all the credit because they're

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the ones that did I mean, they were hitting hard,

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they were executing with excellent precision on the defense side

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of the ball, and they're the ones that knocked Bear out,

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you know, like the pain on him enough. It's where

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very very negatively affected to throw the ball because people

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don't realize those ankle rolls are the most excruciatingly painful

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injuries ever. They make you want to throw up. I've

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had a cl reconstructions, I've had a seat joint separations, thumbs,

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blown out, concussions, neck fingers. The most debilitating and one

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that it makes me think. I remember when I heard

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it against carn of State my software year. I basically

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rolled my ankle very similar to Bear. I thought I

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had snapped my leg in half. That's like the degree

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of which you're expecting the injury that look like based

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off of the pain you're feeling. And then the worst

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part is that you don't have any bounce, you don't

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have any wiggle, any twitch and that and that it's

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almost like a dead leg until that tendon really heals

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up and gets back to its normal. It's normal attention.

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So you have to get text and tech credit. And

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then they were hitting hard and they made by Bear

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pay pay play on uh beare hey on that one

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play before the touchdown where he got on that inline

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option where he just got he got hit hard and

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and the big dtackle there for Texas Tech got him

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got him low as he was getting hit high, and

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it just knocked him out and that was the difference

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in the game right there. Otherwise we controlled the game.

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And that's why I'm not I have no shame in

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this game. The second thing is is I was on

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the sideline and I knew something was seriously wrong with

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there I did. I was curious to see how everybody

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else would operate, you know, if there's concern if guys flinched.

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Nobody flinched. Bro I was like, dude, these guys are

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so focused and locked in. I just I just love him, man,

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and the way they compete, the way Clowne's got him

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competing was exactly the right way. We just played a

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phenomenal team that required us to be healthy across the board.

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the quarterback position. What happened with the red slaugh and everything,

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and we got caught, you know, and end up you know,

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having a rough you know, basically what halfway through the

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third quarter to the end of the game was just

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a disaster. But still the guys played hard. I mean,

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like I said, I was very, very proud of them

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after the game, and there's no shame in that loss

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whatsoever versus the previous one, the first encounter they had, Yeah,

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there was some shame there. You know, you're doing dumb

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things that you generally don't do, and this one it

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wasn't the case. That was Texas Tech bringing it to

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us and we just didn't have the depth to handle

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it at the quarterback position.

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Speaker 2: So how far away are we from? I think Bioways

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a great team. How far away is b away from

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being an elite team in college football? Because I feel

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like the top five teams in college football are elite.

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Speaker 3: How far away are we?

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Speaker 1: I love that question because I believe based off of

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Texas Tech's elite defense, which by the way, that's that's

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football ever. I put it up there with any Alabama

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defenses I've seen, any of these Georgia defenses with the

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Jalen Carter that now is played for the E I

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put them up there because they have all the physical

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raw talent you could ask for right on all levels.

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single one of their buttons with scheme and motion and

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all those kinds of things, and they, I mean, even

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when they were out of position, they still were able

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reverse passes by sweeps, those the auction the auction actions

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and those kinds of things. But having said all of that,

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when I was watching, when we were driving methodically fourteen

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plays ninety yards in this defense and nobody's ever done,

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They looked at each other like, dude, what is happening

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to us? This never happens to us. So we were

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one ankle roll away from taking that game and showing

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the whole world what was up. But again, that's the

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name of the game of football. You know, it's a violent,

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physical game and you want to inflict pain on your opponent.

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as their quarterback, you know what, they already had a

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game like that against Arizona State where the star wasn't playing.

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Speaker 4: You know, So we're there.

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Speaker 1: I don't I don't look at this like, oh man, wait,

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there's a huge gap. I never once felt that. I

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felt that we just didn't have the quarterback death because McKay,

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bless his heart. Man, I'm looking at that freaking you know,

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Texas Tech defense, and I'm looking at at mckenn. I'm like,

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I can't. I would not feel comfortable sending McKay out there.

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He doesn't have enough reps. That dude is not ready

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to handle the kind of pressure and the kind of

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checks and all the things that it's going to take

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to be functional, just functional. And that's and I think

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the same way. That's why you know, fifty percent bear

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is you know, our answer in that particular situation. But

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don't have any issues of how we stood up stacked

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up against you know, Texas Tech, who is arguably I mean,

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if if they don't win the national championship, I'll be surprised,

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quite frankly. So I'm fine. I thought that was, like

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heck of the team, war heck of the team and

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ended up having our quarterback go down and they caused that,

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and then ultimately we just couldn't find any depth or

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any way to manage that to where we could be

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functional as an offense. You know, then we'll turn the

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ball over on our side of the field and then

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out of control fast, which, like I said, that could

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Speaker 2: In your opinion, Brady, why is it? What's your theory

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on why BYU was never considered seriously for the college

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football playoff? There was never I mean even Colonie said

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post game, He's like, at least put our graphic up

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next to Alabama, Notre Dame, Miami, Oklahoma, everybody else that's

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a two loss team. At least put our graphic if

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we were on eleven one team. The ESPN completely skirted from,

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you know, from the fact the resume of BYU football

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throughout this entire process when they deservingly needed to at

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least be in the conversation.

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Speaker 1: There's so many ways that can go here, Ben, I mean,

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this is this is a great question, and because it's

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so fascinating and I wanted to kind of stand the surface,

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but I'm not going to. Now we are gonna go

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a little deep and what so, I don't know. Have

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you ever watched there's a documentary done by ESPN thirty

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for thirty about the evolution and the eventual takeover of

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the passing attack in all of footballs. Have you seen that, Ben?

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Speaker 1: Not want to. And here's why they only mentioned BYU

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in passing. It's absolutely insulting. It is not accurately. It

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is not historically accurate. They mentioned these podunk schools acting

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as though and I free. I was so upset because

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I was like, this is not history. If you go

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when you look at all, like even today, Shanahan, the

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dude with the La Rams, I can't believe he's blanket.

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with Green Bay. I'm talking the best offensive coaches. Guess

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where they all come from? The West Coast offense genealogy.

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one they all come from that. And guess who was

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a huge influence in that. You got Mike Holmgrin, Oh,

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we won a national championship in nineteen eighty four because

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of it. And you're not gonna mention that in your

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documentary of the provlif relation of the pass. Who are

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you people? So I think there is some religious problems

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in some of our political stands. I think this is

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deeper than football. And then on top of it, what

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compounds it is I do believe that a lot of

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were basically invited to go to the Fiesta Bowl and

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to the Cotton Bowl and then we sued them, and

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their rules, and ironically they were so arrogant, these big

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blue blood teams, which by the way, they're all going

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nuts right now because they're not blue bloods anymore. But anyway,

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that's another topic. But anyway, all these blue bloods are like, dude,

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going to determine national championship on whoever has the best record.

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inferior talent physically would ever be able to beat teams

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like the Michigans and all these blue bloods. And we

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did with the passing attack because we were a little

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bit more intelligent than they were, that's the bottom line,

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and that pissed them off. And so right now, this

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to kind of pretend we're not there as a BYU cougrination.

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have a pretty dang good relationship with them, at least

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to my knowledge, on some fronts. With we helped ESPN

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emerge as this powerhouse in the sports broadcasting world with

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their first college football game being broadcast at BYAU versus

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pit huge between quotation, upset and all of a sudden

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we had every opportunity to win our games and get.

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Speaker 4: In and we did it.

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Speaker 1: We had we had all right there, and we just

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didn't do it. And you know what, that's okay. I

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think it's great. We're gonna go to the bowl game.

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We're gonna get extra time to develop another real time

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opportunity for these young guys to go get some reps.

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they have that opportunity. It never hurts to continue to

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play by the way. It never does. I don't know

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what Notre Dame's doing. I don't know what Kansas State's doing.

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I don't know what Iowa State's doing. I don't get it.

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I don't even know what that means. If oh, it's

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we're actually doing something better by not playing in practicing,

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I don't even that does not align with my my

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principles and my philosophy. Whatsoever. There's reps, there's practice, there's

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activation that has to take place, there's experience that has

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to be gained, and you don't do that by not

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doing something that you're trying to get experienced in. So

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taking their ball and going home. Why do you think

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they did that? Beverquah the ad said, we just didn't.

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college Football Playoff and then poor Marcus Freeman had to

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tell these players, hey, we're not going to play in

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a bowl game because the colleg Football Playoff Committee screwed us.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, again, it's so revert back to my comment where

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these blue bloods are freaking out. Notre Dame is having

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a moment of vulnerability and iMore of mortality in the

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sense of they're not a powerhouse anymore. Really, the only

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powerhouses that exist are those that are affiliated with ESPN,

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which would be the SEC, now the ACC ironically, and

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the Big Ten isn't. But the Big Ten has enough

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of the viewership to where that has some sway with

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ESPN because they want to get their investment back, and

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ESPN is invested to US seven and a half million

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dollars in the college Football Playoff. They want their investment

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back and Notre Dame is an NBC kind of thing.

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is we're looking at Notre Dame. I believe shocked because

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they're assuming they're entitled to some kind of cachet based

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off of their history, based off of their how many

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I got twelve you know, recognized national champions championships of

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all different polls and stuff. You know, it's one of

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the between quotation's top football programs in the country. And

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they were just you know, basically excluded out of something

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that they thought they would always be automatically as long

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as they were good a part of which that didn't happen.

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they're looking like, you know what, this is scary. Maybe

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we don't have the power, Maybe we do have to

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become part of the conference now, Maybe we do have

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to conform instead of being able to dictate our terms.

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this is what they're trying to do. They're trying to

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understand their leverage points. And we'll see. We'll see if

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it SWAZIESTPN or any of the powers that be to

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because next year's schedule, I don't know if you've looke

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to Notre Dame schedule, it's horrendous. It's not one that

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if they weren't undefeated. I don't even know if they

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would get into the playoffs, you know, even if you

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took the same kind of teams this year, because they don't.

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that's the only chance they have. USC and Miami have

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to be like top ten teams and they have to

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beat them. That's really the only chance they have for

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that schedule to really help them get into any kind

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of playoff contention next year. But yeah, but I believe

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it's a sense of mortality that they kind of realize

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that they don't have the leverage anymore in college football

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than they used to.

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Speaker 3: Do you think we should get rid of conference championship games?

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Speaker 5: I don't.

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Speaker 1: I think what we should do is, again, I'm not

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one to get rid of games, even in the NFL

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go to streaking eighteen regular season games, We're fine. I

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prefer that I think most wear and tear on these

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players happens in practice because coaches don't know how to

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manage practice correctly. I believe most where in tear happens

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in the training room because most trainers not training room,

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but you know, the weight room, and those training they

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don't know how to properly load their athletes and follow

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that load. Well. Luckily we got an unbelievable team that does.

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And that's where most of the injuries start to percolate.

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And that's where all the accumulation effects take place, is

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in training and then also in your practicing. It's not

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in the games. We need more games. And the reason

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why you need more games is because that's how this

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needs to be determined. This doesn't get determined, and we're learning.

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That's why it's frustrating right now for everybody. It should

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not be determined by a committee. This shouldn't this is

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this is stupid. It should be determined like hey, and

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so I've heard some really good suggestions that I think

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would work, which is this, you have your conference championship weekend,

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and then you have your bubble teams and basically whoever

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whoever's not in a conference championship, you're gonna line them

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up like like this last year, our excuse this last week,

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you'd have had Vanderbilt playing, you'd had Texas playing, and

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they would have been playing old Miss Texas A and

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M these schools that weren't in the championship game, and

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we're gonna get it really good. And Notre Dame would

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have been involved in that, Miami would have been involved

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in that, and you're gonna get a really good idea

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off of those those matchups of who's who's who and

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then and it's gonna weed a bunch of teams out

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because they're gonna lose. And it's just, you know, it's

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kind of like what what or how I should say

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the committee treated by you and both by Alabama, not Alabama,

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but b YU against Texas Tech, where you know, we

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lost by three touchdowns and they thought, Okay, well that's

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our indicator that they're not you know, but that's I

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think more games the better and that and it be

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playing out on the field. This shouldn't be decided with committees.

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and help others find their way home. A couple last

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things here before we let you go beat Pop. Any

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concerns about bear Bachmeyer's ankle. Do you think he should

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be ready to be ready to go for the Pop Tarts.

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Speaker 1: Bowl You're always concerned with I'm assuming I'm just using

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my own analysis that was probably a high ankle spring.

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recovery pretty quickly. And I've had him before, and you know,

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if you get a good three weeks rest and really

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strengthen it up, it'll actually be functional and he'll be fine.

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So I don't think there's any longer turn problems with it.

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It's just you know, how it's gonna come down to

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you know, really that ligament tightening back up. You know,

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some guys it takes a little longer than others, but

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a few we're three weeks away here, so uh, and

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he's probably gonna have to get in the boot and

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kind of just let everything came down. But we'll see

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how it goes. But yeah, I mean he's a young kid,

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he's a tough kid. He works really hard. I don't

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see why he could have have his body ready to

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go by that time.

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Speaker 2: And then finally, you know this, uh, this BYU football

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team with a top twenty one recruiting class.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 2: We talked about it making like making that jump from

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great to elite?

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Speaker 3: Are we a year away? Do you think you were?

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Speaker 2: You're two seasons away from maybe uh entering into that

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elite status.

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Speaker 1: We're there. We just need to get we needed. We

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got to get a quarterback depth right. And look, it's

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nobody's fault. We had a surprise situation happened. We handled

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it as literally. I mean, come on, I was I

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think you could pull up some of my interviews with you.

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I didn't think we win more in eight games, you know,

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especially the true freshman quarter back was brought Our excuse me,

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Bear was historic. Imagine having a whole off season now

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where Roderick can Bear can get together along with the

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coaching staff and they just build an offense customed to

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him and it's like his it's like a part of

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his hand, it's like a glove. It just it just

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is who he is. And then he probably have a

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very good idea what that's gonna be, but they can

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detail it out more. I mean, Bear is a phenomenal thrower.

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I think we've seen that with his accuracy and as

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long as his ankles is right. And so I look,

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this team is there. We just got to reload. I mean,

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that's the thing is we gotta we gotta stay with

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getting going into the portal and developing good front guys,

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you know, because we're probably gonna lose some of them

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into the NFL, which is fine. We're gonna have to

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develop and maybe go into the portal, get some linebackers.

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We just got to get competition, you know, let these

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guys figure it out. We got talent. We got talent,

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that's the one thing. We got more enough talent. We

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just gotta let these guys go to Pete builds great

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schemes around them. Which our coaches can do keep guys healthy.

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And the biggest thing next year is the quarterback depth

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is going to be a lot better, which if we

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had in the same situation arise like happened in the

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Texas Tech game, you'll see that will be very very

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I say, a lot more equipped to handle that instead

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of kind of just man, we got to go with

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a guy that's fifty percent right now, you know, And

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again that's nobody's fault. It's just you know, Jake getting

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kicked out basically because of the auto code issue. So

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so yeah, I mean we're there. I just think we,

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like I said, we got to reload and use this

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time with the bowl game, We've got to use it.

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You know, this has to be a time for me personally,

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This was like the best time for me to gain

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so much in terms of understanding the game and he

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kind of evolving into being a college football players with

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this bowl game in my freshman year. So I think

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for a lot of young guys, this is going to

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be huge in their development and that's what we need.

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We need to devote guys. We can't just go buy

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a roster, you know. I think a lot of people

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think that I think a lot of people assume all

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the Texas Tech just bought their roster. Well they did,

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but at the same time they coached them up very well.

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These guys have been developing and they molded very well together.

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It's a very hard thing to do what they've done.

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So what you have to do is you have to

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develop and full practice playing and balls that helps your

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team develop. Is good in anything.

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Speaker 2: Great breakdown, Brady, we gotta let you go. We gotta

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Speaker 1: Hey, always a pleasure man. We'll be in touch, all right.

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BA great John Beck. He's on the line, John, How theck.

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Speaker 4: Are you going?

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Speaker 1: Good? Ben?

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Speaker 4: Just can't believe we're chick and away now in the December,

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with the regular season done and bowl games on the horizon.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, there's a lot to take in obviously

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over the last week. Let's start off with the Texas

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Tech game. Look, by you got two shots at Tech,

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and there's obviously a chasm between great and elite teams.

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Speaker 3: I think BA is a great team.

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Speaker 2: If I was to segment it out, I think one

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through five they're probably elite teams this year. You know,

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six through probably around maybe eighteen twenty, maybe those are

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all Those are all good, great teams, very good to

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great teams. That's a that's a pretty start chasm though,

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where BYU needs to get in order to be elite.

474
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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know what, Look, this is a really good

475
00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:48,960
BAU football team. And I was so happy to see

476
00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:50,799
that they were able to come out in the beginning

477
00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:54,680
score first. I mean I was actually watching the game

478
00:22:54,759 --> 00:22:57,759
thinking how exciting it is for these fans that are

479
00:22:57,759 --> 00:22:59,759
there in the stadium and if YU can keep this

480
00:23:00,079 --> 00:23:02,680
up like this is amazing and you know what it like,

481
00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:04,599
it was a tough game, and I know it's tough

482
00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:06,319
as a player and as a coach to have the

483
00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:10,880
feelings that they probably had going into the game and

484
00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:12,319
then to have it be the result that it is.

485
00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:14,279
But it doesn't take away from what the team was

486
00:23:14,279 --> 00:23:17,559
able to accomplish, and especially you know, to have two

487
00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:20,119
losses in the season and have it be against a

488
00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:23,119
really good Texas Tech team that I think, you know,

489
00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:25,200
and I think many people are thinking that they are

490
00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:27,359
going to for sure be playing in a semi final

491
00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:31,240
game maybe farther And to me, that's where BYU like like, like,

492
00:23:31,279 --> 00:23:33,880
you're right, this is a really, really good BU football

493
00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:36,880
team right on the edge of really being able to

494
00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:40,319
compete for four quarters against those elite teams. Could they

495
00:23:40,759 --> 00:23:43,079
the two times they played against Texas Tech? No, But

496
00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:46,599
I feel like, man, it was close, and it gives

497
00:23:46,599 --> 00:23:49,880
this BYU program something to continue to aim upward for,

498
00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:50,799
which is exciting.

499
00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:55,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's uh, you know, BA, you just signed the

500
00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:58,200
a top twenty one recruiting class and the modern era

501
00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:00,519
one of the best classes, and b what you fotall history,

502
00:24:00,519 --> 00:24:02,640
the best probably class in Bile football history.

503
00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:04,680
Speaker 3: I remember there.

504
00:24:04,599 --> 00:24:09,000
Speaker 2: Was a time where you know when BYU was you know,

505
00:24:09,039 --> 00:24:10,480
in two thousand and one, for instance, they had a

506
00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:13,160
great season. They they were able to pick up a

507
00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:16,200
lot of great recruits in that two thousand and two

508
00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:20,720
class that ended up bawling out for Brigham in six, seven,

509
00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:23,279
eight and nine. That two thousand and two class was

510
00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:27,000
a really pivotal class and it piggybacked off special season.

511
00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:29,480
We're seeing a little bit of that momentum in this

512
00:24:29,599 --> 00:24:30,559
recruiting class.

513
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Speaker 3: When will we see I guess.

514
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Speaker 2: The ROI uh, will it be four or five years

515
00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:39,880
before BYU was able to maybe make up that ground

516
00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:42,480
that they see with Texas Tech and Indiana and Ohio

517
00:24:42,519 --> 00:24:44,440
State the top of league teams in college football.

518
00:24:45,279 --> 00:24:49,200
Speaker 4: Well, something that I think is different nowadays from before

519
00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:53,319
is you always looked at recruiting classes as a determining

520
00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:56,640
factor in what is the season two years from now,

521
00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:59,440
three years from now, what is the potential for that season?

522
00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:03,279
The difference now is transfer portal. The BYU having the

523
00:25:03,319 --> 00:25:06,519
two seasons that they've had, playing in a conference championship game,

524
00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:11,079
that impacts what nowadays is basically free agency in college football.

525
00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:13,960
It impacts the people that want to go come right

526
00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:16,759
now to BYU and make an immediate impact, and you

527
00:25:16,799 --> 00:25:19,200
can't foresee those things. Those things happen when the transfer

528
00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:21,759
portal opens up, but you have to think that what

529
00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:26,599
happens is the earning power of BYU right now to

530
00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:29,720
go earn transfers and to go say, look what we've

531
00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:32,200
accomplished the last couple of years. Come and play for us,

532
00:25:32,599 --> 00:25:35,880
because we are maybe just a step or two away

533
00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:39,599
from being an elite team. Like that's what BYU is

534
00:25:39,599 --> 00:25:42,400
probably shooting for. And that's the difference where Hey, a

535
00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:46,119
great recruiting class is awesome. The other reality, though, is

536
00:25:46,559 --> 00:25:48,480
some of those guys in this recruiting class are going

537
00:25:48,559 --> 00:25:51,119
to come to YU and within the first few years

538
00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:54,160
there's going to be a reason, whether it's their own performance,

539
00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:57,160
whether they feel like it's a coach not giving them opportunity,

540
00:25:57,480 --> 00:26:00,480
whether they start listening to people outside the program saying bro,

541
00:26:00,599 --> 00:26:02,359
you should leave because you could go to these other

542
00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:05,319
schools and make X and get playing time, and they leave.

543
00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:09,599
The reality is recruiting classes are not going to make

544
00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:12,240
it as far as they used to, and they're going

545
00:26:12,279 --> 00:26:15,440
to be impacted by people coming in on the transfer portal,

546
00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:17,519
and that is what's going to dictate the future of

547
00:26:17,559 --> 00:26:19,319
BOAU football.

548
00:26:19,519 --> 00:26:22,559
Speaker 2: John Beck here on ESPN The Fan talking to BYU

549
00:26:22,599 --> 00:26:26,480
football the transfer portal. What's the weaknesses then, as you

550
00:26:26,519 --> 00:26:29,559
evaluate this football team, where does BYU need to get

551
00:26:29,559 --> 00:26:32,880
better from a personnel standpoint in order to take that

552
00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:35,000
next step or even stay status.

553
00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:35,640
Speaker 3: Quo where they're at right now?

554
00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:39,599
Speaker 2: I mean winning, getting double digit victories, going eleven wins

555
00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:42,359
with a big bowl game, opportunity to get to twelve wins,

556
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:45,480
I mean even just getting to that mark would be

557
00:26:45,559 --> 00:26:48,640
great in continuing the momentum into the future.

558
00:26:49,759 --> 00:26:51,519
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, I think the tough part for me

559
00:26:51,799 --> 00:26:55,920
evaluating is to be able to make a realistic comment

560
00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:59,279
on what BYU needs. I would want to sit down

561
00:26:59,319 --> 00:27:03,240
and spend a lot of time watching every aspect, also

562
00:27:03,319 --> 00:27:06,079
getting to communicate with what is being set in the

563
00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:08,960
meeting rooms, like what are these players being coached to do?

564
00:27:09,039 --> 00:27:13,000
How efficient are they Like to just go and say like, well,

565
00:27:13,319 --> 00:27:16,200
BYU probably needs this because it's weak in that area.

566
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:20,559
That's then calling out a position group or a coach

567
00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:23,519
or something, and I just that's not my style, like,

568
00:27:23,559 --> 00:27:25,599
I'm not going to do that. I'm just going to say, like, look,

569
00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:29,559
every team, when you don't achieve the thing you want

570
00:27:29,599 --> 00:27:33,279
to should look at every single position group, every single

571
00:27:33,599 --> 00:27:36,799
player and say what can those players be doing to

572
00:27:36,839 --> 00:27:39,519
get better to help the team, And are there players

573
00:27:39,519 --> 00:27:41,920
we can bring in to make it even more competitive

574
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:44,640
in that position group? That's it. That's what it always

575
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:47,759
comes down to, you know. And I think it's awesome

576
00:27:47,799 --> 00:27:51,880
that BYU sites continually just keep get getting set higher

577
00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:52,400
and higher.

578
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:52,680
Speaker 1: You know.

579
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:55,839
Speaker 4: I think when BYU entered the Big Twelve, it was

580
00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:58,720
we would love to be competitive, and then by You

581
00:27:58,799 --> 00:28:00,759
became competitive, and then I said we want to get

582
00:28:00,759 --> 00:28:03,480
to the conference championship game. And the next year, b

583
00:28:03,599 --> 00:28:05,799
what you got to the conference championship game. And now

584
00:28:05,839 --> 00:28:07,839
the standard is probably going to be different. They're going

585
00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:09,920
to want to get back to the conference championship game,

586
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:11,640
but do it in a way that they don't get

587
00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:14,960
left out of the collegetball playoffs. And to me, that's

588
00:28:15,039 --> 00:28:17,839
always going to be about what are you always do

589
00:28:17,839 --> 00:28:21,119
doing to bring in the most like the best players

590
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:23,759
the most that you can and create the most competition

591
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:25,839
you can to put the best team out there.

592
00:28:26,799 --> 00:28:30,759
Speaker 2: When you when you evaluate this b WAYU football team

593
00:28:31,599 --> 00:28:33,920
and what they've accomplished this season, do you think that

594
00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:35,359
this is one of the best seasons and b why

595
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:36,279
you football history.

596
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:39,240
Speaker 4: I think it has to be up there with the

597
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:43,599
best teams seasons. You know. Being a part of the

598
00:28:43,599 --> 00:28:47,240
Big Twelve Conference, I think has been awesome for the players.

599
00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:49,799
I think you know, you're a former player, and you know,

600
00:28:50,119 --> 00:28:52,799
I think all of us, you know, we don't dislike

601
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:55,039
our Mountain West games like those like that was the

602
00:28:55,079 --> 00:28:56,920
conference we are in, and it was exciting to be

603
00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:59,720
a part of a conference and to have the competitions

604
00:28:59,759 --> 00:29:01,880
we get it against, you know, the TCUs and the

605
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:05,599
Utah's good football programs that year and year out sat

606
00:29:05,599 --> 00:29:07,519
at the top of that conference. It was a good conference.

607
00:29:07,559 --> 00:29:10,160
But man, I think the Big Twelve Conference, it's so

608
00:29:10,359 --> 00:29:13,680
awesome that that is our play that's our schedule every

609
00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:16,240
single year. For for BYU to be at a power

610
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:19,279
for conference, to have the seasons that they've had and

611
00:29:19,319 --> 00:29:21,920
to you know, to what I believe this season was

612
00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:23,799
a better season than last year, you know, to like

613
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:28,039
I mean again, your only losses came to the Texas

614
00:29:28,039 --> 00:29:31,079
Tech team that may end up playing in the national Championship.

615
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:33,839
To me, that has to go down as a great

616
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:36,519
season and one of the best seasons that BYU's had.

617
00:29:36,559 --> 00:29:39,160
And for sure you have to say it's the best

618
00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:41,799
season we've had in the biggest conference we've ever played in.

619
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:46,680
Speaker 2: It's uh, it's been fun to watch, right But BYU

620
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:50,599
is still on the outside looking in, and not once

621
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:54,359
during this college Football Playoff committee process was BYU's resume

622
00:29:54,440 --> 00:30:00,359
ever compared to Alabama's or Oklahoma's or Miami's own Order Dames.

623
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:03,799
They were just relegated to the outside looking in.

624
00:30:04,039 --> 00:30:07,839
Speaker 3: Why is there a certain amount of disrespect for BA?

625
00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:10,480
Speaker 2: Why weren't they even considered even though their resume, their

626
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:14,319
strength of schedule, strength of record, and their only two

627
00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:16,359
losses came to a number four team in the country

628
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:19,160
on the road end then on neutral site. Never once

629
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:21,640
were they ever compared side by side identities other teams

630
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:24,599
that either got in or in Notre Dame's case, has

631
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:27,000
to play or we were slated to play BAU in

632
00:30:27,039 --> 00:30:27,759
the Pop Tarts Bowl.

633
00:30:28,799 --> 00:30:30,839
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm not sure, you know. I read a comment

634
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:35,640
that said like that the committee once BYU lost and

635
00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:40,119
changed positions, they were then able to compare Notre Dame

636
00:30:40,119 --> 00:30:44,000
in Miami, and I remember reading that thinking like, so

637
00:30:44,279 --> 00:30:48,839
BYU losing in their conference championship game made them then

638
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:52,680
like remove them from a spot of comparing against other teams.

639
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:56,359
But obviously that was not the case for Alabama. Losing

640
00:30:56,400 --> 00:31:00,519
in their conference championship game didn't remove them so that

641
00:31:00,559 --> 00:31:03,359
then they could look at other programs. You know, I

642
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:05,880
love when I see people across the country standing up

643
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:08,640
for BYU and saying it's wrong and why are people

644
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:12,519
not taking notice? You know, I know Robert Griffin is outspoken.

645
00:31:12,559 --> 00:31:14,559
There's other people outspoken. I think they have to be.

646
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:17,799
I think that what has happened with BYU, and I

647
00:31:17,839 --> 00:31:21,160
know that the losses. Of course the losses didn't look good.

648
00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:24,559
But again we're talking about you are playing in the

649
00:31:24,559 --> 00:31:28,559
conference championship game and you are somehow being punished because

650
00:31:28,599 --> 00:31:30,720
you lost to arguably one of the best teams in

651
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:33,559
the country. And you know what for BYU, and the

652
00:31:33,559 --> 00:31:35,599
wills were falling off at the end, and the turnovers

653
00:31:35,599 --> 00:31:38,200
were happening in the game got a little ugler at

654
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:42,119
the end. I knew I was like, shoot, like this

655
00:31:42,119 --> 00:31:45,759
this almost is going to hand the committee. You know,

656
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:49,759
like like an easy out. And so I'm so happy

657
00:31:49,759 --> 00:31:51,960
that people across the country are not letting the committee

658
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:54,440
do that. They're saying, hold up a second, if you're

659
00:31:54,519 --> 00:31:58,000
going to talk about Alabama this way, where is BYU?

660
00:31:58,160 --> 00:31:59,640
And the fact that they weren't in on any of

661
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:04,920
the graphs is strange, especially a program that for years ESPN,

662
00:32:05,519 --> 00:32:09,799
you know, a huge network, a huge power in college

663
00:32:09,799 --> 00:32:17,039
football sports, ESPN deal during so much of their time

664
00:32:17,039 --> 00:32:20,000
as independent. You got to think the relationship that ESPN

665
00:32:20,039 --> 00:32:23,759
has had with BUYU, like you can't argue and say, well,

666
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:26,720
you know, the powerhouses like the Alabama and the Notre

667
00:32:26,799 --> 00:32:28,960
Dame just have a different fan base. That's not true.

668
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:32,279
BYU always travels extremely well wherever they go. It's not

669
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:34,440
that the you know, the tickets aren't going to sell

670
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:36,079
out immediately, or that they're not going to have a

671
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:39,319
national fan base watching everything or watching the game, all

672
00:32:39,359 --> 00:32:43,359
of those things. From a network broadcasting money, all.

673
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:44,039
Speaker 1: Of that would happen.

674
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:47,559
Speaker 4: So to me, I think it's baffling that so quickly

675
00:32:48,359 --> 00:32:51,440
the BYU team was just dropped out of the equation.

676
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:54,799
And you know, I think that more people need to

677
00:32:54,880 --> 00:33:00,759
keep pushing for explain that to us, give us your explanation, Well,

678
00:33:00,799 --> 00:33:03,720
they lost in the conference championship. There needs to be

679
00:33:03,799 --> 00:33:04,240
more than that.

680
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:07,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I don't know if it'll ever really come

681
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:10,240
down the pipeline. I just wonder what needs to happen

682
00:33:11,039 --> 00:33:14,079
in order for BYU to get the respect that's looking

683
00:33:14,119 --> 00:33:19,839
for and be considered one of the major brands of

684
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:22,759
college football. You figure, since nineteen seventy two, they've had

685
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:25,720
they've had a national championship, they've had a Doke, they've

686
00:33:25,759 --> 00:33:29,680
had they've had a Heisman, they've had many conference championships,

687
00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:32,400
and in their only their third year of the of

688
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:34,519
being a part of the power structure, they're in the

689
00:33:34,559 --> 00:33:38,519
Big twelve championship game and they're they're showing wasn't great,

690
00:33:38,559 --> 00:33:40,759
but they got there and they went up against the

691
00:33:40,799 --> 00:33:45,279
elite of college football. You wonder, okay, from an NFL standpoint,

692
00:33:45,279 --> 00:33:48,279
you're in the NFL, what is the viewpoint of those

693
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:53,720
in the National Football League? Coaches, GMS, players, in those

694
00:33:53,759 --> 00:33:56,200
locker rooms. How do they view BYU? Is it just

695
00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:57,880
like this nice little program? Oh yeah, you guys are

696
00:33:57,920 --> 00:33:59,880
nice little program. Is their respect there?

697
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:00,440
Speaker 3: Think?

698
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:04,000
Speaker 4: Well? You know, I mean, look at the NFL it's

699
00:34:04,039 --> 00:34:07,160
all about like what the players and the like the

700
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:12,880
individual is doing. You know. I think everybody has respect

701
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:17,320
for programs, especially like ones that are considered bigger programs.

702
00:34:17,559 --> 00:34:20,320
Is there a little bit of a bias amongst especially

703
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:23,119
like the SEC or the Big ten? Guys? Like absolutely, Like,

704
00:34:23,639 --> 00:34:25,719
you know, there there was always that kind of chatter

705
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:28,760
back and forth of which conference is really the strongest

706
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:31,760
conference in the United States, And those guys would laugh

707
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:35,320
at references of like the PAC twelve and the Big twelve.

708
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:37,199
You know, they would come be like, bro, there's no way,

709
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:40,239
It's like like it's either SEC or Big Ten. I mean, yeah,

710
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:44,400
that like that exists. But you know, like ultimately, like

711
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:48,159
in those locker rooms, it always comes down to the individuals.

712
00:34:49,199 --> 00:34:51,960
I think that people have fun with the rivalries, and

713
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:55,239
they definitely don't look at BUYU as like a week

714
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:57,679
team by any means, especially because UIU has been out

715
00:34:57,719 --> 00:35:00,159
winning so many games. I mean, how many guys I

716
00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:03,800
bet have lost their bets and had to wear BYU

717
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:06,400
gear in their locker room because BYU quite honestly has

718
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:08,840
been winning just as much as any of the other

719
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:11,199
top programs in the country for the last two years.

720
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:14,519
It's been a winning program where so many good things

721
00:35:14,519 --> 00:35:16,679
have been happening. Here's one thing that I have, kind

722
00:35:16,679 --> 00:35:18,719
of going back on the other stuff about the playoffs

723
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:20,880
is I think one of the toughest things is to

724
00:35:21,039 --> 00:35:25,199
watch schools that are, you know, barely sneaking in in

725
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:27,719
the top twenty five rating ranked like the top twenty

726
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:30,320
in the country, that have you know, multiple losses, but

727
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:33,480
play in a conference championship against an opponent not even

728
00:35:33,639 --> 00:35:37,199
close to what BYU had to play against, but they

729
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:41,400
but because they won the conference championship game, they now

730
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:44,519
have an automatic bid to be able to go play

731
00:35:44,679 --> 00:35:47,079
in the playoffs. To me, that's the other part where

732
00:35:47,079 --> 00:35:50,559
it's like, hold up a second, like the playoffs have

733
00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:53,719
to be bringing in, especially when it's it's limited. We're

734
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:57,000
not talking college basketball, We're not talking a huge field.

735
00:35:57,480 --> 00:35:59,880
It's limited to only a dozen teams, and four of

736
00:36:00,039 --> 00:36:02,079
those teams get automatic bids, and so you only have

737
00:36:02,519 --> 00:36:05,119
eight teams playing on the first week. To me, that

738
00:36:05,159 --> 00:36:08,400
should be outside of those top four. It should absolutely

739
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:11,719
be the next best eight teams in the country. And yeah,

740
00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:13,880
there's got to be arguments for teams. There's got to

741
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:16,519
be a group that sits down and evaluates. But like

742
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:18,760
I do have a little bit of a tough time.

743
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:20,880
And look, I'm really happy for one of the quarterbacks

744
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:23,840
because I've worked with Jake for a long time, Jake

745
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:26,400
and the Steph. I'm like, I'm really happy for Jake

746
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:29,400
retz Lafs to go to a team, to have to

747
00:36:29,519 --> 00:36:32,679
learn the offense in a month, and then to go

748
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:35,079
out there and lead your team the way that he

749
00:36:35,199 --> 00:36:38,000
has and to help take them to arguably one of

750
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:41,559
the biggest seasons that Tulane has had. Like what an accomplishment,

751
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:44,480
you know, for him and for that coaching staff and

752
00:36:44,519 --> 00:36:46,840
the mentality that I like, I watched the interviews that

753
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:49,880
coach does, and I see how he keeps his team

754
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:51,960
hungry and driven, and he's doing all the right things

755
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:54,199
and he's getting an opportunity to move up. I mean,

756
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:57,920
that's what those teams, you know, that's yeah, it's awesome

757
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:00,960
for them. But to see other teams like A BYU

758
00:37:01,199 --> 00:37:03,559
left out of it, that's the tough part.

759
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:08,599
Speaker 2: How how far let let's say the there's an expanded playoff, right,

760
00:37:08,679 --> 00:37:11,679
Let's say what's the number? What what's the number that

761
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:14,360
it should be expanded to? John, if you had your brothers,

762
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:19,119
if you are the emperor of of college football.

763
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:24,159
Speaker 4: Oh man, you know that's tough because football is such

764
00:37:24,199 --> 00:37:27,960
a physical game. You can't continue like just add games

765
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:33,280
because adding games adds impact. Adding impact heightens the you know,

766
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:36,280
the chance of injury. I mean, I wish there was

767
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:39,960
some way for like, okay, if you are in the

768
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:43,079
bottom four, right, like, let's say it expands to a

769
00:37:43,119 --> 00:37:46,000
different number, and okay, you know what, We're going to

770
00:37:46,039 --> 00:37:49,159
create a play, and we're going to create like similar

771
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:52,199
like a wild card weekend, Like add a play and

772
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:55,800
add those things. Right, Yeah, you know what you have

773
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:57,519
to take, take a little bit more of a beating.

774
00:37:57,599 --> 00:37:59,840
You're gonna have another game on the schedule. But it

775
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:01,719
adds a little bit of a play, and maybe like

776
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:04,280
maybe that's the right avenue maybe adding it to sixteen

777
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:06,840
and just saying, you know what, we're going to expand

778
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:09,639
it so the net gets bigger because quite honestly, now

779
00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:13,039
you can't complain if you're the seventeenth team that you

780
00:38:13,039 --> 00:38:15,119
should have been in, right, like, just come on, like

781
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:18,760
sixteen teams. We are absolutely gathering enough teams to be

782
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:21,119
able to identify a national champion and maybe that's the

783
00:38:21,119 --> 00:38:23,159
way that it has to move forward. I just think,

784
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:27,199
you know, there are other teams that I think are

785
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:30,199
really really tough, Like think if Texas, you know, and

786
00:38:30,199 --> 00:38:32,239
I'm stepping away from from from Notre Dame because I

787
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:35,360
don't I really don't like what they're doing. I would

788
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:37,760
have loved to have seen BYU play against Notre Dame

789
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:40,400
in a bowl game. And I think to say, well,

790
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:42,519
we're just really unhappy that we didn't get in, so

791
00:38:42,599 --> 00:38:46,199
we're going to stop. I don't understand that, and so

792
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:48,280
I'm leaving them out of the conversation. But like, let's

793
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:51,480
look at what Texas did to finish their season. Who

794
00:38:51,559 --> 00:38:54,679
knows what that Texas team could have done if they

795
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:57,159
entered the playoff. And I don't hear, you know, a

796
00:38:57,199 --> 00:38:59,039
bunch of teams or a bunch of people coming out

797
00:38:59,159 --> 00:39:02,199
saying like that, well, Texas got screwed. They're a really

798
00:39:02,199 --> 00:39:05,800
good football team capable of potentially knocking off some of

799
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:07,840
these big teams. I think Texas is taking the right

800
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:10,280
avenue and they're saying like, hey, you know what, we

801
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:12,840
had other losses that should not have happened. Yeah, we're

802
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:14,960
a really good football team. And I think we could

803
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:17,480
have had an argument to get in, but we quite

804
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:19,280
frankly didn't do enough, and so we're going to go

805
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:20,920
back to work and make sure that we do enough

806
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:23,360
in the following season. I actually really like that mentality

807
00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:27,480
that they're taking, and to me, like, what if it

808
00:39:27,559 --> 00:39:30,119
was expanded to six team and what if a team

809
00:39:30,159 --> 00:39:32,519
like that got in there? Who knows how far a

810
00:39:32,559 --> 00:39:34,400
team like that could go? And that's how I feel

811
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:37,239
about this BYU team. How can you realistically judge what

812
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:40,320
they're capable of when the only losses came to Texas

813
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:41,840
Tech in the state of Texas.

814
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:46,360
Speaker 3: That's let me ask you this, Let me ask you this.

815
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:49,199
Speaker 2: So six, like I felt like we could we could

816
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:51,559
compete and beat anybody, especially at the end of the year.

817
00:39:51,639 --> 00:39:51,800
Speaker 1: Right.

818
00:39:52,159 --> 00:39:57,719
Speaker 2: The committee really valued November momentum. BYU's November momentum was

819
00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:03,440
really good in six up sixteenth INNDAP pole at eleven

820
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:05,920
and two with two losses. One was in double overtime

821
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:08,599
to Boston College on the road to a ranked Boston

822
00:40:08,639 --> 00:40:10,480
College team, and then the other one was the first

823
00:40:10,519 --> 00:40:12,360
game of the season U of A on the road

824
00:40:12,679 --> 00:40:14,360
and it took like a fifty yard field goal to

825
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:16,599
win this. By the way, Nick Folk is still kicking

826
00:40:16,599 --> 00:40:18,440
game winning field goals in the NFL.

827
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:20,400
Speaker 3: Can you even freaking believe that?

828
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:22,960
Speaker 4: So you know how many times he kicked a field

829
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:24,960
goal And I'm sitting by my kids and I go, yeah,

830
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:27,239
that guy nailed the game winner, you know, and I

831
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:29,440
still remember it right, like we had a touchdown taken

832
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:32,280
off the board because of a passenger Spirits call. But anyway,

833
00:40:32,599 --> 00:40:35,079
like like, you're right, I mean, look at the Super Bowl,

834
00:40:35,559 --> 00:40:39,440
like teams getting hot in November and December is what

835
00:40:39,599 --> 00:40:43,360
matters most. Yeah, and I do think, like, I mean,

836
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:47,199
look Miami, why as Miami went in because the committee

837
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:49,920
came out and said, in head to head, when we

838
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:51,880
did all of these things and we looked at head

839
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:55,639
to head, that was week one, Like that's not a

840
00:40:55,679 --> 00:40:58,519
good indicator of what a football team is in December,

841
00:40:59,039 --> 00:41:01,800
Like week one is by no means an indicator of that.

842
00:41:02,039 --> 00:41:04,440
And you know, I mean, and I can see why

843
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:06,840
a team like Notre Dame would be frustrated, like, wait,

844
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:10,239
so you went back to week one. I would have

845
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:13,280
felt the same way. If they know six somebody said, well, yeah,

846
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:16,119
you guys lost in Week one to Arizona on the road,

847
00:41:16,119 --> 00:41:19,760
and it's like, Okay, that's not at all an indicator.

848
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:21,920
I mean, and we can have a whole separate show

849
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:24,440
about the game plan for that week and how it

850
00:41:24,559 --> 00:41:27,000
varied from what we kind of were to finish the

851
00:41:27,039 --> 00:41:28,719
season before. And they thought that was going to give

852
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:32,039
us an advantage, you know, and you're you're also plugging

853
00:41:32,039 --> 00:41:34,800
in new players, and I mean, there's just so many

854
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:38,079
things that happened week one. I don't like it that

855
00:41:38,119 --> 00:41:41,000
week one as an indicator or a barometer for like, well,

856
00:41:41,079 --> 00:41:42,840
let's decide if they should play at the end of

857
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:44,840
the season based off of who they are in week one.

858
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:48,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, and that's the thing, Like you said sixteen,

859
00:41:48,639 --> 00:41:52,559
I'm like, man, I almost wanted to be twenty or

860
00:41:52,679 --> 00:41:56,800
twenty four and give more buys and start the season

861
00:41:56,840 --> 00:42:01,840
a little bit earlier, right, Like why not start college

862
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:06,599
football in week week zero and and get more data points?

863
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:10,360
You know, maybe you can't schedule fcs upon us anymore.

864
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:12,280
Moved the FCS upon it's the spring ball.

865
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:16,800
Speaker 4: If you want to want to know some twelve game seasons,

866
00:42:17,159 --> 00:42:22,320
I think I only played like my freshman and sophomore

867
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:25,280
year at BUYU, we only had eleven game seasons, yep.

868
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:27,960
And I think my junior year we only had an

869
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:31,079
eleven game season because I believe the bowl game was

870
00:42:31,119 --> 00:42:34,000
our twelfth game, and I think we were six and six.

871
00:42:34,079 --> 00:42:35,639
Is that right to finish the year?

872
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:38,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, we were six and six because yep, only twelve games.

873
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:41,760
Speaker 4: And then my senior year, I remember they had me

874
00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:43,960
sit out a game, and I think that was a

875
00:42:44,039 --> 00:42:47,599
twelve game schedule right, with the thirteenth being the bowl game,

876
00:42:47,599 --> 00:42:49,559
because I think we finished eleven and two. But like

877
00:42:50,039 --> 00:42:53,480
in college football, I never played more than twelve games

878
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:56,679
in a season, and the three of those seasons we

879
00:42:56,719 --> 00:42:58,960
only I only played an eleven Because of the schedule,

880
00:42:59,039 --> 00:43:02,320
you could also trim off a game. And you could

881
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:04,599
also say, if it's the number of games that everybody's

882
00:43:04,599 --> 00:43:07,880
worried about for a long time, college football was playing

883
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:11,199
eleven regular season games and the twelfth game was the

884
00:43:11,199 --> 00:43:13,679
bowl game, if it's the number of games they were

885
00:43:13,679 --> 00:43:16,840
worried about, and we need to expand the field, Okay, fine,

886
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:19,760
do it go back to an eleven game regular season

887
00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:22,119
or do what the NFL is doing. Crap, They just

888
00:43:22,199 --> 00:43:24,440
keep adding games. They're like, if they're going to add

889
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:26,199
another one, this is going to be an eighteen game

890
00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:30,519
regular season pretty soon for the NFL, you know, I

891
00:43:30,519 --> 00:43:32,599
mean you can do something with the number of games

892
00:43:32,599 --> 00:43:35,719
that are played, and you could even do like a

893
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:39,400
like an NIT type thing for teams. You know, all right, hey,

894
00:43:39,559 --> 00:43:41,639
we're going to go to eleven game thing, and the

895
00:43:41,679 --> 00:43:43,480
top twenty teams are going to be able to go

896
00:43:43,519 --> 00:43:45,239
and play in this bracket for a compete for the

897
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:47,840
national championship, and the other teams you're still going to

898
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:50,400
play two more games. We're going to have, you know,

899
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:52,119
another system where you're going to get to play in

900
00:43:52,159 --> 00:43:54,440
a bowl game system that then goes to other ones.

901
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:56,679
I mean, there's also a way to adjust the schedule.

902
00:43:57,039 --> 00:43:58,840
I mean, it's not like America is going to be

903
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:02,840
disappointed with more football games. I think that everybody would

904
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:05,719
be happy with, like with more football games. I mean,

905
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:09,159
how many of us are watching the No Name Bowl

906
00:44:09,199 --> 00:44:13,920
game on December fifteenth against Chattanooga A and M against

907
00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:16,280
West Texas who knows what their name is, And we're

908
00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:18,440
watching it and me and my kids are doing it

909
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:21,280
in the little betting thing because the winner gets fifty

910
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:23,119
bucks at Dick's in our house. I mean, yeah, we're

911
00:44:23,119 --> 00:44:23,760
watching the game.

912
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:27,960
Speaker 2: I love it, man, John Beck Legend, Yeah, I just

913
00:44:28,159 --> 00:44:30,400
I thought everyone's been kind of leaning sixteen. And that's

914
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:32,960
what Ronald the three Man Weaver says, He's like sixteen.

915
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:36,239
I'm like, yeah, I mean I kind of want twenty.

916
00:44:36,599 --> 00:44:39,119
I want twenty four, man, I want I just want

917
00:44:39,119 --> 00:44:41,159
a bunch of complainers, right, And I don't think if

918
00:44:41,199 --> 00:44:43,559
you go twenty twenty four, I don't think there's gonna

919
00:44:43,559 --> 00:44:46,320
be that many complaints because, like I even look at

920
00:44:46,559 --> 00:44:50,199
like our year and six right the top twenty five.

921
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:52,599
You know, if you had to cut it off at twenty,

922
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:56,159
you probably have the best. You have the enough teams.

923
00:44:56,199 --> 00:44:58,320
You got enough teams in there, and you have you

924
00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:03,079
can't put four lost teams into the playoff. The cutoff

925
00:45:03,199 --> 00:45:05,480
is like three losses. You got three losses, you got

926
00:45:05,519 --> 00:45:08,239
four losses. You're out three losses, you know, and you're

927
00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:10,920
a brand and you've got some good wins, good resume.

928
00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:13,639
You're probably and that's kind of the cutoff of about twenty.

929
00:45:13,679 --> 00:45:16,199
But John, we got to run great content. As always,

930
00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:18,639
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931
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932
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933
00:45:26,039 --> 00:45:29,199
Speaker 3: Thanks so much, John. All right man, all right, there

934
00:45:29,199 --> 00:45:29,400
you go.

935
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:32,159
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