Speaker 1: And then I would have to say, this is the
first time all year where our quarterback depth became a problem,
you know, because we really didn't have an option at
least versus Texas Tech that was superior to Bear being
fifty sixty percent healthy. You know, I think that's really
what ultimately led to our demids because I'll say you this,
I mean, at the game, Texas Tech had no answers
for our first few drives. Roderick has a perfect game call.
We had them on their heels. They did not know
how to handle, which a lot of good defenses don't
a quarterback that can run with all the different actions
and motions, and you know, the players should pass with
LG running down Hell really well, it would have been
a very very interesting outcome if Bear doesn't get hurt,
but we'll never know. But at the same time, you
have to give Texas Tech all the credit because they're
the ones that did I mean, they were hitting hard,
they were executing with excellent precision on the defense side
of the ball, and they're the ones that knocked Bear out,
you know, like the pain on him enough. It's where
very very negatively affected to throw the ball because people
don't realize those ankle rolls are the most excruciatingly painful
injuries ever. They make you want to throw up. I've
had a cl reconstructions, I've had a seat joint separations, thumbs,
blown out, concussions, neck fingers. The most debilitating and one
that it makes me think. I remember when I heard
it against carn of State my software year. I basically
rolled my ankle very similar to Bear. I thought I
had snapped my leg in half. That's like the degree
of which you're expecting the injury that look like based
off of the pain you're feeling. And then the worst
part is that you don't have any bounce, you don't
have any wiggle, any twitch and that and that it's
almost like a dead leg until that tendon really heals
up and gets back to its normal. It's normal attention.
So you have to get text and tech credit. And
then they were hitting hard and they made by Bear
pay pay play on uh beare hey on that one
play before the touchdown where he got on that inline
option where he just got he got hit hard and
and the big dtackle there for Texas Tech got him
got him low as he was getting hit high, and
it just knocked him out and that was the difference
in the game right there. Otherwise we controlled the game.
And that's why I'm not I have no shame in
this game. The second thing is is I was on
the sideline and I knew something was seriously wrong with
there I did. I was curious to see how everybody
else would operate, you know, if there's concern if guys flinched.
Nobody flinched. Bro I was like, dude, these guys are
so focused and locked in. I just I just love him, man,
and the way they compete, the way Clowne's got him
competing was exactly the right way. We just played a
phenomenal team that required us to be healthy across the board.
We ended up not being Bear was a little off.
We didn't have much you know, we don't have much depth.
That was again nobody's fault of this team that at
the quarterback position. What happened with the red slaugh and everything,
and we got caught, you know, and end up you know,
having a rough you know, basically what halfway through the
third quarter to the end of the game was just
a disaster. But still the guys played hard. I mean,
like I said, I was very, very proud of them
after the game, and there's no shame in that loss
whatsoever versus the previous one, the first encounter they had, Yeah,
there was some shame there. You know, you're doing dumb
things that you generally don't do, and this one it
wasn't the case. That was Texas Tech bringing it to
us and we just didn't have the depth to handle
it at the quarterback position.
Speaker 2: So how far away are we from? I think Bioways
a great team. How far away is b away from
being an elite team in college football? Because I feel
like the top five teams in college football are elite.
Speaker 3: How far away are we?
Speaker 1: I love that question because I believe based off of
what I was witnessing in person when I was watching
Texas Tech's elite defense, which by the way, that's that's
one of the best defenses I've ever seen in college
football ever. I put it up there with any Alabama
defenses I've seen, any of these Georgia defenses with the
Jalen Carter that now is played for the E I
put them up there because they have all the physical
raw talent you could ask for right on all levels.
But these guys are disciplined man like Roderick pressed every
single one of their buttons with scheme and motion and
all those kinds of things, and they, I mean, even
when they were out of position, they still were able
to mitigate some of those players, like some of the
reverse passes by sweeps, those the auction the auction actions
and those kinds of things. But having said all of that,
when I was watching, when we were driving methodically fourteen
plays ninety yards in this defense and nobody's ever done,
I thought we are going to win by three touchdowns.
That's what I thought. Because they don't know what that's like.
They looked at each other like, dude, what is happening
to us? This never happens to us. So we were
one ankle roll away from taking that game and showing
the whole world what was up. But again, that's the
name of the game of football. You know, it's a violent,
physical game and you want to inflict pain on your opponent.
And just everybody knows if we'd done the same things
as their quarterback, you know what, they already had a
game like that against Arizona State where the star wasn't playing.
Maybe something similar happens to them. You know. So that's
that's just kind of how it goes.
Speaker 4: You know, So we're there.
Speaker 1: I don't I don't look at this like, oh man, wait,
there's a huge gap. I never once felt that. I
felt that we just didn't have the quarterback death because McKay,
bless his heart. Man, I'm looking at that freaking you know,
Texas Tech defense, and I'm looking at at mckenn. I'm like,
I can't. I would not feel comfortable sending McKay out there.
He doesn't have enough reps. That dude is not ready
to handle the kind of pressure and the kind of
checks and all the things that it's going to take
to be functional, just functional. And that's and I think
I think, you know, obviously the coaching staff probably felt
the same way. That's why you know, fifty percent bear
is you know, our answer in that particular situation. But
I don't have any issues be where we're at. I
don't have any issues of how we stood up stacked
up against you know, Texas Tech, who is arguably I mean,
if if they don't win the national championship, I'll be surprised,
quite frankly. So I'm fine. I thought that was, like
I said, there's no shame in that loss. That's the
heck of the team, war heck of the team and
ended up having our quarterback go down and they caused that,
and then ultimately we just couldn't find any depth or
any way to manage that to where we could be
functional as an offense. You know, then we'll turn the
ball over on our side of the field and then
all of a sudden it just get you know, gets
out of control fast, which, like I said, that could
go either way with if you're playing against really good teams.
Speaker 2: In your opinion, Brady, why is it? What's your theory
on why BYU was never considered seriously for the college
football playoff? There was never I mean even Colonie said
post game, He's like, at least put our graphic up
next to Alabama, Notre Dame, Miami, Oklahoma, everybody else that's
a two loss team. At least put our graphic if
we were on eleven one team. The ESPN completely skirted from,
you know, from the fact the resume of BYU football
throughout this entire process when they deservingly needed to at
least be in the conversation.
Speaker 1: There's so many ways that can go here, Ben, I mean,
this is this is a great question, and because it's
so fascinating and I wanted to kind of stand the surface,
but I'm not going to. Now we are gonna go
a little deep and what so, I don't know. Have
you ever watched there's a documentary done by ESPN thirty
for thirty about the evolution and the eventual takeover of
the passing attack in all of footballs. Have you seen that, Ben?
Speaker 3: I don't know if I've seen that. I would like
to watch it, though you may.
Speaker 1: Not want to. And here's why they only mentioned BYU
in passing. It's absolutely insulting. It is not accurately. It
is not historically accurate. They mentioned these podunk schools acting
as though and I free. I was so upset because
I was like, this is not history. If you go
when you look at all, like even today, Shanahan, the
dude with the La Rams, I can't believe he's blanket.
You look at all these coaches you know are up
with Green Bay. I'm talking the best offensive coaches. Guess
where they all come from? The West Coast offense genealogy.
Andy Reid's a great example. He comes from the same
one they all come from that. And guess who was
a huge influence in that. You got Mike Holmgrin, Oh,
you go all the way back to Lavelle Edwards and yeah,
we won a national championship in nineteen eighty four because
of it. And you're not gonna mention that in your
documentary of the provlif relation of the pass. Who are
you people? So I think there is some religious problems
with us. I believe there's political problems with the church
in some of our political stands. I think this is
deeper than football. And then on top of it, what
compounds it is I do believe that a lot of
the same people that are on this committee are the
ones that in ninety six we sued them because we
were basically invited to go to the Fiesta Bowl and
then all of a sudden they got involved in this
Oh no, we're not saying BYU. And then we went
to the Cotton Bowl and then we sued them, and
then you know, you go back to ninety today flock
I had mentioned, and we win a national championship under
their rules, and ironically they were so arrogant, these big
blue blood teams, which by the way, they're all going
nuts right now because they're not blue bloods anymore. But anyway,
that's another topic. But anyway, all these blue bloods are like, dude,
how is it that you get this? You know, we're
going to determine national championship on whoever has the best record.
They never ever thought that a team like BYU with
inferior talent physically would ever be able to beat teams
like the Michigans and all these blue bloods. And we
did with the passing attack because we were a little
bit more intelligent than they were, that's the bottom line,
and that pissed them off. And so right now, this
is just this is retaliation against the history of BA football.
I say, there's religious animosity towards us, political and like
I said, it's this isn't the first time they've tried
to kind of pretend we're not there as a BYU cougrination.
I'm telling you, it's a really funky thing because we
have a pretty dang good relationship with them, at least
to my knowledge, on some fronts. With we helped ESPN
emerge as this powerhouse in the sports broadcasting world with
their first college football game being broadcast at BYAU versus
pit huge between quotation, upset and all of a sudden
you see this, you know, passing offense it was, and
so it's there's a lot of that going on, man,
and I just it's hard to see, but we can't.
I don't feel like we're a victim. I felt like
we had every opportunity to win our games and get.
Speaker 4: In and we did it.
Speaker 1: We had we had all right there, and we just
didn't do it. And you know what, that's okay. I
think it's great. We're gonna go to the bowl game.
We're gonna get extra time to develop another real time
opportunity for these young guys to go get some reps.
If these older guys want to improve their draft stock,
they have that opportunity. It never hurts to continue to
play by the way. It never does. I don't know
what Notre Dame's doing. I don't know what Kansas State's doing.
I don't know what Iowa State's doing. I don't get it.
I don't even know what that means. If oh, it's
we're actually doing something better by not playing in practicing,
I don't even that does not align with my my
principles and my philosophy. Whatsoever. There's reps, there's practice, there's
activation that has to take place, there's experience that has
to be gained, and you don't do that by not
doing something that you're trying to get experienced in. So
here's my rant.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's crazy, right, like Notre Dame pulling this,
taking their ball and going home. Why do you think
they did that? Beverquah the ad said, we just didn't.
We didn't like the process. We were led to believe
that we were going to be a part of the
college Football Playoff and then poor Marcus Freeman had to
tell these players, hey, we're not going to play in
a bowl game because the colleg Football Playoff Committee screwed us.
That's what he essentially said. Making the rounds earlier today.
Speaker 1: Yeah, again, it's so revert back to my comment where
these blue bloods are freaking out. Notre Dame is having
a moment of vulnerability and iMore of mortality in the
sense of they're not a powerhouse anymore. Really, the only
powerhouses that exist are those that are affiliated with ESPN,
which would be the SEC, now the ACC ironically, and
the Big Ten isn't. But the Big Ten has enough
of the viewership to where that has some sway with
ESPN because they want to get their investment back, and
ESPN is invested to US seven and a half million
dollars in the college Football Playoff. They want their investment
back and Notre Dame is an NBC kind of thing.
But at the same time, what we're looking at here
is we're looking at Notre Dame. I believe shocked because
they're assuming they're entitled to some kind of cachet based
off of their history, based off of their how many
I got twelve you know, recognized national champions championships of
all different polls and stuff. You know, it's one of
the between quotation's top football programs in the country. And
they were just you know, basically excluded out of something
that they thought they would always be automatically as long
as they were good a part of which that didn't happen.
So there's a moment of more time for them where
they're looking like, you know what, this is scary. Maybe
we don't have the power, Maybe we do have to
become part of the conference now, Maybe we do have
to conform instead of being able to dictate our terms.
And this is a test to that, and I think
this is what they're trying to do. They're trying to
understand their leverage points. And we'll see. We'll see if
it SWAZIESTPN or any of the powers that be to
because next year's schedule, I don't know if you've looke
to Notre Dame schedule, it's horrendous. It's not one that
if they weren't undefeated. I don't even know if they
would get into the playoffs, you know, even if you
took the same kind of teams this year, because they don't.
Unless USC is really good and that Miami's really good,
that's the only chance they have. USC and Miami have
to be like top ten teams and they have to
beat them. That's really the only chance they have for
that schedule to really help them get into any kind
of playoff contention next year. But yeah, but I believe
it's a sense of mortality that they kind of realize
that they don't have the leverage anymore in college football
than they used to.
Speaker 3: Do you think we should get rid of conference championship games?
Speaker 5: I don't.
Speaker 1: I think what we should do is, again, I'm not
one to get rid of games, even in the NFL
go to streaking eighteen regular season games, We're fine. I
prefer that I think most wear and tear on these
players happens in practice because coaches don't know how to
manage practice correctly. I believe most where in tear happens
in the training room because most trainers not training room,
but you know, the weight room, and those training they
don't know how to properly load their athletes and follow
that load. Well. Luckily we got an unbelievable team that does.
And that's where most of the injuries start to percolate.
And that's where all the accumulation effects take place, is
in training and then also in your practicing. It's not
in the games. We need more games. And the reason
why you need more games is because that's how this
needs to be determined. This doesn't get determined, and we're learning.
That's why it's frustrating right now for everybody. It should
not be determined by a committee. This shouldn't this is
this is stupid. It should be determined like hey, and
so I've heard some really good suggestions that I think
would work, which is this, you have your conference championship weekend,
and then you have your bubble teams and basically whoever
whoever's not in a conference championship, you're gonna line them
up like like this last year, our excuse this last week,
you'd have had Vanderbilt playing, you'd had Texas playing, and
they would have been playing old Miss Texas A and
M these schools that weren't in the championship game, and
we're gonna get it really good. And Notre Dame would
have been involved in that, Miami would have been involved
in that, and you're gonna get a really good idea
off of those those matchups of who's who's who and
then and it's gonna weed a bunch of teams out
because they're gonna lose. And it's just, you know, it's
kind of like what what or how I should say
the committee treated by you and both by Alabama, not Alabama,
but b YU against Texas Tech, where you know, we
lost by three touchdowns and they thought, Okay, well that's
our indicator that they're not you know, but that's I
think more games the better and that and it be
playing out on the field. This shouldn't be decided with committees.
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things here before we let you go beat Pop. Any
concerns about bear Bachmeyer's ankle. Do you think he should
be ready to be ready to go for the Pop Tarts.
Speaker 1: Bowl You're always concerned with I'm assuming I'm just using
my own analysis that was probably a high ankle spring.
There are procedures that can be done that accelerates that
recovery pretty quickly. And I've had him before, and you know,
if you get a good three weeks rest and really
strengthen it up, it'll actually be functional and he'll be fine.
So I don't think there's any longer turn problems with it.
It's just you know, how it's gonna come down to
you know, really that ligament tightening back up. You know,
some guys it takes a little longer than others, but
a few we're three weeks away here, so uh, and
he's probably gonna have to get in the boot and
kind of just let everything came down. But we'll see
how it goes. But yeah, I mean he's a young kid,
he's a tough kid. He works really hard. I don't
see why he could have have his body ready to
go by that time.
Speaker 2: And then finally, you know this, uh, this BYU football
team with a top twenty one recruiting class.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: We talked about it making like making that jump from
great to elite?
Speaker 3: Are we a year away? Do you think you were?
Speaker 2: You're two seasons away from maybe uh entering into that
elite status.
Speaker 1: We're there. We just need to get we needed. We
got to get a quarterback depth right. And look, it's
nobody's fault. We had a surprise situation happened. We handled
it as literally. I mean, come on, I was I
think you could pull up some of my interviews with you.
I didn't think we win more in eight games, you know,
especially the true freshman quarter back was brought Our excuse me,
Bear was historic. Imagine having a whole off season now
where Roderick can Bear can get together along with the
coaching staff and they just build an offense customed to
him and it's like his it's like a part of
his hand, it's like a glove. It just it just
is who he is. And then he probably have a
very good idea what that's gonna be, but they can
detail it out more. I mean, Bear is a phenomenal thrower.
I think we've seen that with his accuracy and as
long as his ankles is right. And so I look,
this team is there. We just got to reload. I mean,
that's the thing is we gotta we gotta stay with
getting going into the portal and developing good front guys,
you know, because we're probably gonna lose some of them
into the NFL, which is fine. We're gonna have to
develop and maybe go into the portal, get some linebackers.
We just got to get competition, you know, let these
guys figure it out. We got talent. We got talent,
that's the one thing. We got more enough talent. We
just gotta let these guys go to Pete builds great
schemes around them. Which our coaches can do keep guys healthy.
And the biggest thing next year is the quarterback depth
is going to be a lot better, which if we
had in the same situation arise like happened in the
Texas Tech game, you'll see that will be very very
I say, a lot more equipped to handle that instead
of kind of just man, we got to go with
a guy that's fifty percent right now, you know, And
again that's nobody's fault. It's just you know, Jake getting
kicked out basically because of the auto code issue. So
so yeah, I mean we're there. I just think we,
like I said, we got to reload and use this
time with the bowl game, We've got to use it.
You know, this has to be a time for me personally,
This was like the best time for me to gain
so much in terms of understanding the game and he
kind of evolving into being a college football players with
this bowl game in my freshman year. So I think
for a lot of young guys, this is going to
be huge in their development and that's what we need.
We need to devote guys. We can't just go buy
a roster, you know. I think a lot of people
think that I think a lot of people assume all
the Texas Tech just bought their roster. Well they did,
but at the same time they coached them up very well.
These guys have been developing and they molded very well together.
It's a very hard thing to do what they've done.
So what you have to do is you have to
develop and full practice playing and balls that helps your
team develop. Is good in anything.
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Speaker 1: Hey, always a pleasure man. We'll be in touch, all right.
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BA great John Beck. He's on the line, John, How theck.
Speaker 4: Are you going?
Speaker 1: Good? Ben?
Speaker 4: Just can't believe we're chick and away now in the December,
with the regular season done and bowl games on the horizon.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, there's a lot to take in obviously
over the last week. Let's start off with the Texas
Tech game. Look, by you got two shots at Tech,
and there's obviously a chasm between great and elite teams.
Speaker 3: I think BA is a great team.
Speaker 2: If I was to segment it out, I think one
through five they're probably elite teams this year. You know,
six through probably around maybe eighteen twenty, maybe those are
all Those are all good, great teams, very good to
great teams. That's a that's a pretty start chasm though,
where BYU needs to get in order to be elite.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know what, Look, this is a really good
BAU football team. And I was so happy to see
that they were able to come out in the beginning
score first. I mean I was actually watching the game
thinking how exciting it is for these fans that are
there in the stadium and if YU can keep this
up like this is amazing and you know what it like,
it was a tough game, and I know it's tough
as a player and as a coach to have the
feelings that they probably had going into the game and
then to have it be the result that it is.
But it doesn't take away from what the team was
able to accomplish, and especially you know, to have two
losses in the season and have it be against a
really good Texas Tech team that I think, you know,
and I think many people are thinking that they are
going to for sure be playing in a semi final
game maybe farther And to me, that's where BYU like like, like,
you're right, this is a really, really good BU football
team right on the edge of really being able to
compete for four quarters against those elite teams. Could they
the two times they played against Texas Tech? No, But
I feel like, man, it was close, and it gives
this BYU program something to continue to aim upward for,
which is exciting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's uh, you know, BA, you just signed the
a top twenty one recruiting class and the modern era
one of the best classes, and b what you fotall history,
the best probably class in Bile football history.
Speaker 3: I remember there.
Speaker 2: Was a time where you know when BYU was you know,
in two thousand and one, for instance, they had a
great season. They they were able to pick up a
lot of great recruits in that two thousand and two
class that ended up bawling out for Brigham in six, seven,
eight and nine. That two thousand and two class was
a really pivotal class and it piggybacked off special season.
We're seeing a little bit of that momentum in this
recruiting class.
Speaker 3: When will we see I guess.
Speaker 2: The ROI uh, will it be four or five years
before BYU was able to maybe make up that ground
that they see with Texas Tech and Indiana and Ohio
State the top of league teams in college football.
Speaker 4: Well, something that I think is different nowadays from before
is you always looked at recruiting classes as a determining
factor in what is the season two years from now,
three years from now, what is the potential for that season?
The difference now is transfer portal. The BYU having the
two seasons that they've had, playing in a conference championship game,
that impacts what nowadays is basically free agency in college football.
It impacts the people that want to go come right
now to BYU and make an immediate impact, and you
can't foresee those things. Those things happen when the transfer
portal opens up, but you have to think that what
happens is the earning power of BYU right now to
go earn transfers and to go say, look what we've
accomplished the last couple of years. Come and play for us,
because we are maybe just a step or two away
from being an elite team. Like that's what BYU is
probably shooting for. And that's the difference where Hey, a
great recruiting class is awesome. The other reality, though, is
some of those guys in this recruiting class are going
to come to YU and within the first few years
there's going to be a reason, whether it's their own performance,
whether they feel like it's a coach not giving them opportunity,
whether they start listening to people outside the program saying bro,
you should leave because you could go to these other
schools and make X and get playing time, and they leave.
The reality is recruiting classes are not going to make
it as far as they used to, and they're going
to be impacted by people coming in on the transfer portal,
and that is what's going to dictate the future of
BOAU football.
Speaker 2: John Beck here on ESPN The Fan talking to BYU
football the transfer portal. What's the weaknesses then, as you
evaluate this football team, where does BYU need to get
better from a personnel standpoint in order to take that
next step or even stay status.
Speaker 3: Quo where they're at right now?
Speaker 2: I mean winning, getting double digit victories, going eleven wins
with a big bowl game, opportunity to get to twelve wins,
I mean even just getting to that mark would be
great in continuing the momentum into the future.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, I think the tough part for me
evaluating is to be able to make a realistic comment
on what BYU needs. I would want to sit down
and spend a lot of time watching every aspect, also
getting to communicate with what is being set in the
meeting rooms, like what are these players being coached to do?
How efficient are they Like to just go and say like, well,
BYU probably needs this because it's weak in that area.
That's then calling out a position group or a coach
or something, and I just that's not my style, like,
I'm not going to do that. I'm just going to say, like, look,
every team, when you don't achieve the thing you want
to should look at every single position group, every single
player and say what can those players be doing to
get better to help the team, And are there players
we can bring in to make it even more competitive
in that position group? That's it. That's what it always
comes down to, you know. And I think it's awesome
that BYU sites continually just keep get getting set higher
and higher.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 4: I think when BYU entered the Big Twelve, it was
we would love to be competitive, and then by You
became competitive, and then I said we want to get
to the conference championship game. And the next year, b
what you got to the conference championship game. And now
the standard is probably going to be different. They're going
to want to get back to the conference championship game,
but do it in a way that they don't get
left out of the collegetball playoffs. And to me, that's
always going to be about what are you always do
doing to bring in the most like the best players
the most that you can and create the most competition
you can to put the best team out there.
Speaker 2: When you when you evaluate this b WAYU football team
and what they've accomplished this season, do you think that
this is one of the best seasons and b why
you football history.
Speaker 4: I think it has to be up there with the
best teams seasons. You know. Being a part of the
Big Twelve Conference, I think has been awesome for the players.
I think you know, you're a former player, and you know,
I think all of us, you know, we don't dislike
our Mountain West games like those like that was the
conference we are in, and it was exciting to be
a part of a conference and to have the competitions
we get it against, you know, the TCUs and the
Utah's good football programs that year and year out sat
at the top of that conference. It was a good conference.
But man, I think the Big Twelve Conference, it's so
awesome that that is our play that's our schedule every
single year. For for BYU to be at a power
for conference, to have the seasons that they've had and
to you know, to what I believe this season was
a better season than last year, you know, to like
I mean again, your only losses came to the Texas
Tech team that may end up playing in the national Championship.
To me, that has to go down as a great
season and one of the best seasons that BYU's had.
And for sure you have to say it's the best
season we've had in the biggest conference we've ever played in.
Speaker 2: It's uh, it's been fun to watch, right But BYU
is still on the outside looking in, and not once
during this college Football Playoff committee process was BYU's resume
ever compared to Alabama's or Oklahoma's or Miami's own Order Dames.
They were just relegated to the outside looking in.
Speaker 3: Why is there a certain amount of disrespect for BA?
Speaker 2: Why weren't they even considered even though their resume, their
strength of schedule, strength of record, and their only two
losses came to a number four team in the country
on the road end then on neutral site. Never once
were they ever compared side by side identities other teams
that either got in or in Notre Dame's case, has
to play or we were slated to play BAU in
the Pop Tarts Bowl.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm not sure, you know. I read a comment
that said like that the committee once BYU lost and
changed positions, they were then able to compare Notre Dame
in Miami, and I remember reading that thinking like, so
BYU losing in their conference championship game made them then
like remove them from a spot of comparing against other teams.
But obviously that was not the case for Alabama. Losing
in their conference championship game didn't remove them so that
then they could look at other programs. You know, I
love when I see people across the country standing up
for BYU and saying it's wrong and why are people
not taking notice? You know, I know Robert Griffin is outspoken.
There's other people outspoken. I think they have to be.
I think that what has happened with BYU, and I
know that the losses. Of course the losses didn't look good.
But again we're talking about you are playing in the
conference championship game and you are somehow being punished because
you lost to arguably one of the best teams in
the country. And you know what for BYU, and the
wills were falling off at the end, and the turnovers
were happening in the game got a little ugler at
the end. I knew I was like, shoot, like this
this almost is going to hand the committee. You know,
like like an easy out. And so I'm so happy
that people across the country are not letting the committee
do that. They're saying, hold up a second, if you're
going to talk about Alabama this way, where is BYU?
And the fact that they weren't in on any of
the graphs is strange, especially a program that for years ESPN,
you know, a huge network, a huge power in college
football sports, ESPN deal during so much of their time
as independent. You got to think the relationship that ESPN
has had with BUYU, like you can't argue and say, well,
you know, the powerhouses like the Alabama and the Notre
Dame just have a different fan base. That's not true.
BYU always travels extremely well wherever they go. It's not
that the you know, the tickets aren't going to sell
out immediately, or that they're not going to have a
national fan base watching everything or watching the game, all
of those things. From a network broadcasting money, all.
Speaker 1: Of that would happen.
Speaker 4: So to me, I think it's baffling that so quickly
the BYU team was just dropped out of the equation.
And you know, I think that more people need to
keep pushing for explain that to us, give us your explanation, Well,
they lost in the conference championship. There needs to be
more than that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I don't know if it'll ever really come
down the pipeline. I just wonder what needs to happen
in order for BYU to get the respect that's looking
for and be considered one of the major brands of
college football. You figure, since nineteen seventy two, they've had
they've had a national championship, they've had a Doke, they've
had they've had a Heisman, they've had many conference championships,
and in their only their third year of the of
being a part of the power structure, they're in the
Big twelve championship game and they're they're showing wasn't great,
but they got there and they went up against the
elite of college football. You wonder, okay, from an NFL standpoint,
you're in the NFL, what is the viewpoint of those
in the National Football League? Coaches, GMS, players, in those
locker rooms. How do they view BYU? Is it just
like this nice little program? Oh yeah, you guys are
nice little program. Is their respect there?
Speaker 3: Think?
Speaker 4: Well? You know, I mean, look at the NFL it's
all about like what the players and the like the
individual is doing. You know. I think everybody has respect
for programs, especially like ones that are considered bigger programs.
Is there a little bit of a bias amongst especially
like the SEC or the Big ten? Guys? Like absolutely, Like,
you know, there there was always that kind of chatter
back and forth of which conference is really the strongest
conference in the United States, And those guys would laugh
at references of like the PAC twelve and the Big twelve.
You know, they would come be like, bro, there's no way,
It's like like it's either SEC or Big Ten. I mean, yeah,
that like that exists. But you know, like ultimately, like
in those locker rooms, it always comes down to the individuals.
I think that people have fun with the rivalries, and
they definitely don't look at BUYU as like a week
team by any means, especially because UIU has been out
winning so many games. I mean, how many guys I
bet have lost their bets and had to wear BYU
gear in their locker room because BYU quite honestly has
been winning just as much as any of the other
top programs in the country for the last two years.
It's been a winning program where so many good things
have been happening. Here's one thing that I have, kind
of going back on the other stuff about the playoffs
is I think one of the toughest things is to
watch schools that are, you know, barely sneaking in in
the top twenty five rating ranked like the top twenty
in the country, that have you know, multiple losses, but
play in a conference championship against an opponent not even
close to what BYU had to play against, but they
but because they won the conference championship game, they now
have an automatic bid to be able to go play
in the playoffs. To me, that's the other part where
it's like, hold up a second, like the playoffs have
to be bringing in, especially when it's it's limited. We're
not talking college basketball, We're not talking a huge field.
It's limited to only a dozen teams, and four of
those teams get automatic bids, and so you only have
eight teams playing on the first week. To me, that
should be outside of those top four. It should absolutely
be the next best eight teams in the country. And yeah,
there's got to be arguments for teams. There's got to
be a group that sits down and evaluates. But like
I do have a little bit of a tough time.
And look, I'm really happy for one of the quarterbacks
because I've worked with Jake for a long time, Jake
and the Steph. I'm like, I'm really happy for Jake
retz Lafs to go to a team, to have to
learn the offense in a month, and then to go
out there and lead your team the way that he
has and to help take them to arguably one of
the biggest seasons that Tulane has had. Like what an accomplishment,
you know, for him and for that coaching staff and
the mentality that I like, I watched the interviews that
coach does, and I see how he keeps his team
hungry and driven, and he's doing all the right things
and he's getting an opportunity to move up. I mean,
that's what those teams, you know, that's yeah, it's awesome
for them. But to see other teams like A BYU
left out of it, that's the tough part.
Speaker 2: How how far let let's say the there's an expanded playoff, right,
Let's say what's the number? What what's the number that
it should be expanded to? John, if you had your brothers,
if you are the emperor of of college football.
Speaker 4: Oh man, you know that's tough because football is such
a physical game. You can't continue like just add games
because adding games adds impact. Adding impact heightens the you know,
the chance of injury. I mean, I wish there was
some way for like, okay, if you are in the
bottom four, right, like, let's say it expands to a
different number, and okay, you know what, We're going to
create a play, and we're going to create like similar
like a wild card weekend, Like add a play and
add those things. Right, Yeah, you know what you have
to take, take a little bit more of a beating.
You're gonna have another game on the schedule. But it
adds a little bit of a play, and maybe like
maybe that's the right avenue maybe adding it to sixteen
and just saying, you know what, we're going to expand
it so the net gets bigger because quite honestly, now
you can't complain if you're the seventeenth team that you
should have been in, right, like, just come on, like
sixteen teams. We are absolutely gathering enough teams to be
able to identify a national champion and maybe that's the
way that it has to move forward. I just think,
you know, there are other teams that I think are
really really tough, Like think if Texas, you know, and
I'm stepping away from from from Notre Dame because I
don't I really don't like what they're doing. I would
have loved to have seen BYU play against Notre Dame
in a bowl game. And I think to say, well,
we're just really unhappy that we didn't get in, so
we're going to stop. I don't understand that, and so
I'm leaving them out of the conversation. But like, let's
look at what Texas did to finish their season. Who
knows what that Texas team could have done if they
entered the playoff. And I don't hear, you know, a
bunch of teams or a bunch of people coming out
saying like that, well, Texas got screwed. They're a really
good football team capable of potentially knocking off some of
these big teams. I think Texas is taking the right
avenue and they're saying like, hey, you know what, we
had other losses that should not have happened. Yeah, we're
a really good football team. And I think we could
have had an argument to get in, but we quite
frankly didn't do enough, and so we're going to go
back to work and make sure that we do enough
in the following season. I actually really like that mentality
that they're taking, and to me, like, what if it
was expanded to six team and what if a team
like that got in there? Who knows how far a
team like that could go? And that's how I feel
about this BYU team. How can you realistically judge what
they're capable of when the only losses came to Texas
Tech in the state of Texas.
Speaker 3: That's let me ask you this, Let me ask you this.
Speaker 2: So six, like I felt like we could we could
compete and beat anybody, especially at the end of the year.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: The committee really valued November momentum. BYU's November momentum was
really good in six up sixteenth INNDAP pole at eleven
and two with two losses. One was in double overtime
to Boston College on the road to a ranked Boston
College team, and then the other one was the first
game of the season U of A on the road
and it took like a fifty yard field goal to
win this. By the way, Nick Folk is still kicking
game winning field goals in the NFL.
Speaker 3: Can you even freaking believe that?
Speaker 4: So you know how many times he kicked a field
goal And I'm sitting by my kids and I go, yeah,
that guy nailed the game winner, you know, and I
still remember it right, like we had a touchdown taken
off the board because of a passenger Spirits call. But anyway,
like like, you're right, I mean, look at the Super Bowl,
like teams getting hot in November and December is what
matters most. Yeah, and I do think, like, I mean,
look Miami, why as Miami went in because the committee
came out and said, in head to head, when we
did all of these things and we looked at head
to head, that was week one, Like that's not a
good indicator of what a football team is in December,
Like week one is by no means an indicator of that.
And you know, I mean, and I can see why
a team like Notre Dame would be frustrated, like, wait,
so you went back to week one. I would have
felt the same way. If they know six somebody said, well, yeah,
you guys lost in Week one to Arizona on the road,
and it's like, Okay, that's not at all an indicator.
I mean, and we can have a whole separate show
about the game plan for that week and how it
varied from what we kind of were to finish the
season before. And they thought that was going to give
us an advantage, you know, and you're you're also plugging
in new players, and I mean, there's just so many
things that happened week one. I don't like it that
week one as an indicator or a barometer for like, well,
let's decide if they should play at the end of
the season based off of who they are in week one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, and that's the thing, Like you said sixteen,
I'm like, man, I almost wanted to be twenty or
twenty four and give more buys and start the season
a little bit earlier, right, Like why not start college
football in week week zero and and get more data points?
You know, maybe you can't schedule fcs upon us anymore.
Moved the FCS upon it's the spring ball.
Speaker 4: If you want to want to know some twelve game seasons,
I think I only played like my freshman and sophomore
year at BUYU, we only had eleven game seasons, yep.
And I think my junior year we only had an
eleven game season because I believe the bowl game was
our twelfth game, and I think we were six and six.
Is that right to finish the year?
Speaker 3: Yeah, we were six and six because yep, only twelve games.
Speaker 4: And then my senior year, I remember they had me
sit out a game, and I think that was a
twelve game schedule right, with the thirteenth being the bowl game,
because I think we finished eleven and two. But like
in college football, I never played more than twelve games
in a season, and the three of those seasons we
only I only played an eleven Because of the schedule,
you could also trim off a game. And you could
also say, if it's the number of games that everybody's
worried about for a long time, college football was playing
eleven regular season games and the twelfth game was the
bowl game, if it's the number of games they were
worried about, and we need to expand the field, Okay, fine,
do it go back to an eleven game regular season
or do what the NFL is doing. Crap, They just
keep adding games. They're like, if they're going to add
another one, this is going to be an eighteen game
regular season pretty soon for the NFL, you know, I
mean you can do something with the number of games
that are played, and you could even do like a
like an NIT type thing for teams. You know, all right, hey,
we're going to go to eleven game thing, and the
top twenty teams are going to be able to go
and play in this bracket for a compete for the
national championship, and the other teams you're still going to
play two more games. We're going to have, you know,
another system where you're going to get to play in
a bowl game system that then goes to other ones.
I mean, there's also a way to adjust the schedule.
I mean, it's not like America is going to be
disappointed with more football games. I think that everybody would
be happy with, like with more football games. I mean,
how many of us are watching the No Name Bowl
game on December fifteenth against Chattanooga A and M against
West Texas who knows what their name is, And we're
watching it and me and my kids are doing it
in the little betting thing because the winner gets fifty
bucks at Dick's in our house. I mean, yeah, we're
watching the game.
Speaker 2: I love it, man, John Beck Legend, Yeah, I just
I thought everyone's been kind of leaning sixteen. And that's
what Ronald the three Man Weaver says, He's like sixteen.
I'm like, yeah, I mean I kind of want twenty.
I want twenty four, man, I want I just want
a bunch of complainers, right, And I don't think if
you go twenty twenty four, I don't think there's gonna
be that many complaints because, like I even look at
like our year and six right the top twenty five.
You know, if you had to cut it off at twenty,
you probably have the best. You have the enough teams.
You got enough teams in there, and you have you
can't put four lost teams into the playoff. The cutoff
is like three losses. You got three losses, you got
four losses. You're out three losses, you know, and you're
a brand and you've got some good wins, good resume.
You're probably and that's kind of the cutoff of about twenty.
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