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your support. All righty, so this week actually Wednesday? Waite

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Today's Thursday? So yesterday? Is that right? It doesn't matter

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the uh, I guess this would have been Tuesday. It

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doesn't matter. September twenty third, yees. So two days ago Tuesday,

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the North Carolina House of Representatives passed the Political Terrorism

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Prevention Act Cenebill thirteen. And I'm happy to say that

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only six Democrats oppose this. I thought it would be more,

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but one hundred and five representatives in the North Carolina

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House voted to approve the bill. The legislation was introduced

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in response to the shooting death of conservative activist and

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founder of Turning Point USA, Charlie Kirk. Bill sponsored by

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the way, this is a piece at The Carolina Journal

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by Katie Zender. Bill sponsors point to a nationwide rise

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in acts of political violence and emphasize North Carolina's commitment

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to protecting open debate and peaceful political engagement. Senate Bill

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thirteen defines politically motivated violence as any criminal offense committed

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against an individual because of their political beliefs, affiliations, candidacy, voting, history, advocacy,

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or lawful political expression. The bill also includes a Charlie

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Kirk clause, which stay that politically motivated murder can serve

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as an aggravating factor in death penalty proceedings. And in

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case you're not clear on what that means, so in

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North Carolina, back when we used to actually do death

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penalty cases and impose the death penalty, they've been on

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hold for like twenty years. You go to first you

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do your guilt innocence phase right where the jury decides

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whether or not you're guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, and

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if convicted, then you move into a sentencing phase and

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the prosecution then presents what they call aggravating factors or

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aggravating circumstances. This is something like, did you murder somebody

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while committing another crime. Right, if you're in the process

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of doing a robbery and you kill the person, that

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is an aggravating factor. Right. Mitigating factors are what the

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defense would then present things to mitigate the sentence, to

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try to make it lower, to say it wasn't that bad.

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It was a crime of passion, or he was on

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drugs or whatever. Right, bad childhood, stuff like that, mitigating factors.

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So this would attach to an aggravating factor if North

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Carolina actually ever did death penalties again, which the legislature

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is trying to revive with the peace of legislation that

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they did the other day. Also on the criminal justice reform. Now,

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whether that gets vetoed, I'm going to go out on

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a limb and say that Governor Josh Stein will veto it.

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But Republicans seem to think they've got enough votes to

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override the veto. They definitely do in the Senate. Not

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sure if they'll be able to peel anyway in the House,

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but we'll see. And I watched the debate, I don't

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have the audio here, I'm on location. So why at Gable?

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He is a Republican state representative from Onslow, and he's

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a young guy. He was actually the youngest or is

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the youngest member of the General Assembly, and he's only

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when he won his primary in twenty twenty four, he

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was twenty one years old. So young guy. And he

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said this issue was personal for him because, like a

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lot of young conservatives, he was inspired to get involved

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in public service because of Charlie Kirk. He said, I'm

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sitting here now because I feel because of Charlie Kirk

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and what he created. He created an organization that I

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was able to be a part of. I was able

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to learn, I was able to grow, I was able

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to network, and I feel it's why I'm here today.

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Charlie's assassination was not just an attack on a man.

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It was an attack on free speech that every member

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of this General Assembly holds deer. This is why this

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bill matters. He went on to say that if you

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commit a felony and are motivated by political terrorism, then

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you're sentence will be raised one full class higher. So,

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in case you aren't aware of this, North Carolina, in

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many states do this also, right, You've got varying classes

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of offenses, and so if you you know you commit

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a murder or sorry, commit a felony and it's due

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to some political motivation or ideology political terrorism, then that's

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an aggravating factor and it will bump you up to

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a higher class. So if you were, you know, committing

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like a class C felony, now it's a class B felony,

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and that means harsher punishment. If you commit a crime

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based on politics, there will be no parole, no early release,

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no sentence reduction. Simply you will serve every single day

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of your punishment, which, like, honestly, I kind of feel

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like this should be the case for all serious crimes.

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I don't think like, if you get a sentence of

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you know, twenty years for murder, I don't think you

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should get let out until your twenty year sentences up.

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Like this is the whole truth in sentencing movement, people

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would get sentenced to lengthy prison terms and then rack

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up all sorts of like credits and be able to

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get out in a quarter of the time. So if

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you engage in political terrorism, you will not be allowed

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to get early release, You will not get your sentence reduced,

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You will serve every day of your sentence. Offenders would

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become ineligible for parole, early release, or sentence reduction and

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politically motivated felonies right would be elevated. Also class A felonies,

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which is the highest class. If there's political motivation in

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the commission of that class A felony, even if it's

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not a capital offense, it would now become death penalty eligible.

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So again, if we were actually doing the death penal,

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this might matter somewhere. But if they get the death

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penalty back then maybe then maybe this becomes more operable.

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So that's what the North Carolina House did. And again

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glad to see that it was one hundred and five

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to six, Which brings me to this poll that the

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Carolina Journal published, and I spent way too much time

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actually last night I get yeah, looking at the cross tabs.

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Cross tabs are the data sets that are at the

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back of the polling. And by the way, good rule

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of thumb is, if you come across a poll on

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a website or something and they don't give you the

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cross tabs, be suspicious, okay, because you want to be

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able to see what all of the breakdowns are, where

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all of the different responses crossover with each other, and

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so you can go pull these cross tabs at the

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Carolina Journal's website and the headline, and they pulled a

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lot of different questions here, and the headline is that

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majority of North Carolina voters believe America is on the

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quote wrong track. But they asked questions about political harassment

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of public figures but also political violence, and the numbers

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here are disturbing. And I saw a poll today. Somebody

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put out a national poll that was like, oh, look,

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after Charlie Kirk's murder, everybody agrees that political violence isn't good.

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That's not what this poll found. And I want to

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terms limited time offer. The Carolina Journal poll the latest

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poll they've got out. It was run in September, so

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this month, well, um, yeah, and it was taken right

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after the murder of Charlie Kirk. It was conducted by

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Harperpoling and as I mentioned earlier, a lot of questions,

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a lot of different questions asked. So some of the

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top line takeaways for me, after reading through the crosstabs

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and all of the responses, about ninety five percent of

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North Carolinians who said that political violence is a concern

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will probably slash definitely vote all right, So these are

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likely voters, which is the group that you want if

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you're looking at you know what kind of impact it

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will have at the ballot box. So these are likely voters.

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And ninety five percent of these likely voters say political

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violence is a concern. Okay, So that's going to become

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important to understand as I go over some of the

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other data points. Now, there is concern across all ideological

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the entire ideological spectrum, it's among all races, it's among

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all genders. Okay, So everybody seems like they are an

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agreement that political violence is a concern. However, ten percent

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of the quote very liberal respondent said violence is acceptable.

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Political violence is acceptable. Ten percent of very liberal voters

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people accept violence. Who accept the violence this ten percent

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are way more likely to support harassing public figures as well.

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So when you look at the different cohorts as they're

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broken down, this is the importance of the cross tabs

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to try to get an understanding of what do these

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people actually believe. So when you cross the tab if

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you will, with the very liberal cohort that ten percent

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of whom say violence is acceptable, and then you look

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at their views on whether or not it's okay to

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harass people public public figures. Rather, you find they are

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the largest group. It's like a third of them say

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it's okay. That's larger than any of the other groups.

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Like the question that was asked, is it ever acceptable

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to harass public figures? And ninety four percent of the

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Republican respondents said no, it's never acceptable. Ninety four percent

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say no. Democrats thirty percent say yes it is. You

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can yes, it's acceptable to harass public figures thirty percent,

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which this is what their own party leadership tells them

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is acceptable. So it makes sense that they would have

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a permission structure to do so, to harass people, right,

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get in their faces, stop them at the restaurants, stop

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them at the gasoline stations, right to quote Anti Maxine.

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So thirty percent of just Democrat respondents said that. But

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when you dig deeper into the cross tabs and you

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see the people who identify as very liberal versus somewhat

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liberal and that sort of stuff, you realize that the

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very liberals are driving this train. Also, four year undergrad

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degree or bachelor's degree more likely to say harassing public

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figures is acceptable. Once again, you see the picture, right,

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these are the awfuls essentially, although it actually didn't break

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down by females, so I guess it would just be

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the A l's affluent liberals. So there is a nexus

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point between the harassment and the violence. So it's a

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poll of six hundred likely North Carolina voters. Ninety five

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percent of North Carolinian shared concern about the rise in

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political violence. Nearly all said they believe that violence or

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assassination attempts against political leaders or public figures are never acceptable.

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A small minority said it could be acceptable, three point

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eight percent, so almost four percent said it could be acceptable.

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But registered Democrats were more likely to respond that political

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violence can be acceptable than Republicans. The Republican total on

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this is less than one percent. And this is this

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question was a little bit looser. It says can it

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ever be acceptable? And even then under one percent of

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Republicans said yes. Democrats was eight percent. So if I

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go down into these cross tabs of the violence question, right,

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eight percent say yes. Among Democrats eighty nine percent no,

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it's never acceptable. If I then look at the education levels,

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graduate degree or further, that's when political violence is blamed

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on politicians in that cohort. So people who have the

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PhDs and the master's degrees and people who have that

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those terminal degrees, they are blaming politicians. They are also

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more likely to harass. They're more likely to say political

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violence is okay. Like this is the polarization, and this

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number drags the Democrat numbers, right, because again like nine

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out of ten Democrats say no, it's not acceptable, but

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ten percent say yes it is. And that is your

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radical base. That's part of your radical base right there,

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and it's dragging your Democrat Party and these numbers to

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a more radical position. So who's to blame for the radicalization?

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Oh this was a great question too. Who do the

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different groups blame for the for the political violence? So

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work of so many people, including the Alzheimer's Association of

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Western Carolina. It's a great organization with awesome people with

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the annual Walk to End Alzheimer's and I'm leading a

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Charlotte team again this year, and it's called once Again

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Pete's Pack. You can sign up and you can join

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and so you can make a team and join that

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really appreciate it. There are a bunch of other walks

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get there? Will you walk with me? For a different future,

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for families, for more time for treatments. This is why

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we walk, all Righty? So this Carolina Journal poll asking

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about all sorts of questions on politics but also political violence.

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And I was just running some of the math. And

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just to be clear here, when I took the job,

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I was told that there would be no math, So

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you may want to double check my numbers here. But

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if ten percent of Democrats say that political violence is

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acceptable in North Carolina, and there are, if memory serves,

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roughly two million registered Democrat voters. I think it's somewhere

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around there. But even if it's say one million, we'll

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call it one million. I mean, that's still one hundred

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thousand people that think political violence is acceptable. That's a lot.

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And if those people are in positions like media, for example,

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or politics right and they are or in the schools

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and they are perfectly happy to condone political violence against

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their opponents, that creates the permission structure that I keep

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talking about. And by the way, we now have more

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details of this very thing that occurred with the anti

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ICE gunman from yesterday. This is according to the New

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York Post, the gunman carefully plotted his assault on immigration

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officers before taking up a sniper position on a Dallas rooftop,

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and expressed a desire to instill terror in agents. The

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FBI revealed a handwritten note recovered by investigators said quote,

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hopefully this will get ICE agents real terror to think.

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Is there a sniper with AP rounds on that roof?

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So that's what the gunman said, That's what he wrote.

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Of course, if you are over on Blue Sky, where

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all of the leftists fled to when Elon bought Twitter

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and said he wasn't going to be censoring conservatives anymore.

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They think all of this is just these are just

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lies that cash Bettel is lying that the picture of

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the AMMO on the rooftop that had anti ice messaging

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on it, that these are all lies and he's just

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lying about all of this. The gunman also apparently searched

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for apps. Here's your permission structure. Searched for apps that

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tracked the presence of ice agents. You remember this story

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a couple of I don't know, maybe a month or

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so ago. This was all in the news and CNN

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was doing interviews with the creator of the app that

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would track all of the ice movements and such. This

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is what the guy used in order to find ice agents.

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He went looking for well, he went looking for them.

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I know. One of those apps did get taken down.

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He also downloaded a document titled Dallas County Office of

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Homeland Security and Emergency Management, which the FBI said contains

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a list of DHS facilities. The FBI said the trove

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of evidence recovered in the investigation so far indicates a

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high degree of pre attack planning. So again, when you

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are in the media and you promote these types of

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quote products, an app that allows people to target law

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enforcement for intimidation and or violence. You are helping to

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create the permission structure. You're sending a signal that this

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is okay, this is legitimate, this is just free speech.

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There's no problem here. Look at this entrepreneur. He found

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a market niche and oh my gosh, what a great

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idea permission structure. When asked in the Carolina Journal polling,

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when asked who deserves the most blame for political violence

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in America, and then they were offered several potential responses politicians,

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slash elected officials, media, activist groups, and protest movements. Social

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media companies are unsure. So the four main categories politicians, media, activists,

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social media okay, And overall North Carolina voters they're number

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one target for the blame. Who they blamed overall at

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about thirty five percent politicians, twenty seven percent said the media,

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sixteen percent said activist groups and protest movements, and fourteen

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percent said social media companies. But wait till you hear

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the breakdown. The breakdown is instructive. When you look at

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the cross tabs, you see there is a wide disparity

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between Democrats and Republicans and how they answer this question.

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For Republicans, they primarily blame number one the media, Number

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two activists, and number three politicians. What about Democrats? Democrats,

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they primarily blame politicians. In other words, Donald Trump, that's

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how I read that. Sixty one percent of Democrats blame

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politicians for the political violence. It's just you know, Johnson,

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that is to be Johnson in this war. You know,

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that's the reason why I have to beat you up, Jenny. No,

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sixty one percent politicians blamed by Democrats, but only thirteen

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percent of Republicans blame politicians. That is a difference of

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forty eight percent. That is a very wide disparity in

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any kind of polling. That is massive. Next up, number two,

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who did the Democrats blame? Now, these are all very

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low numbers. These are all single digit numbers. Number two,

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they blame the media. Oh sorry, I take that back.

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Number two, they blame social media companies. Social media, that's

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the Elon effect fifteen percent. Republicans put that number at

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eleven percent. So Republicans, they rank them the lowest. Social

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media is ranked the lowest among Republicans, but second highest

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among the Democrats, followed by the media nine percent and

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activist groups and protest movements at just six percent, because

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that's their people, right, that's them. They're going to blame

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themselves for this stuff. But the number one response was yeah, politicians,

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there is a difference between Republicans and Democrats of thirty

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three percentage points when they blame the media. Republicans blame

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the media at forty two percent, And there's a smaller

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difference between the activist crowd Republicans pegged down at twenty

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six percent versus just six percent for Democrats. That right there,

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I think is the perfect illustration of where we are

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ten percent of the liberal crazies. That's where all the

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bleeps are that thanks for pointing this out acceptable, no way.

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These leaders will need to be prosecuted as criminals inciting

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this violence. Susie says. Your show is my favorite part

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of the day. Thank you, Susie. You make me laugh

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and think, well, that's what I'm trying to do. That's awesome.

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Thank you. Anyway. A few weeks ago, you spoke about

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a similar study regarding those on the left being more

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in favor of violence than those on the right. I

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read your weekly emails with links to the articles and

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studies you discuss on air, and I never saw that one.

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Oh did I not post it? So I post my

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prep over on my Patreon page. It's free, anybody can

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look at it. And I don't remember when that was.

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I don't And every week I blow out all of

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the links, but I post all the links to everything.

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Well apparently not Pete. I don't know. Will you link

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this one in your email? This week? I was telling

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my daughter about it. She did not believe me, so

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I would love to have the link to send her. Susie,

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if you know, if you remember the day I talked

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about it like that would be very helpful because then

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I could go and get the or you could just

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send the podcast over to your daughter. But I can

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go back and listen, because I usually try to make

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a point to every time, you know, cite the polling site,

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the data where it's coming from. But it would have

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been well, yeah, I don't remember the I don't remember

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the polling but yeah, we talked about it a while ago,

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and I guess I didn't put that link up. My

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apologies and sometimes that happens if I find something during

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the show and I just get I get behind and

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putting the sho show prep links in there. But this

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one is already in the prep sheets, so this will

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be posted after the program over on the Patreon page.

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This Carolina Journal poll, which by the way, has some

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other interesting little nuggets or nuggets if you're west of

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the Rockies. The poll also asked about the stabbing of

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Arena Zarutzka and people's confidence in the safety on public transport.

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Thirty nine percent say they are confident in the safety

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of their local transit system. Thirty eight percent said they're

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not confident, so that's basically a tie. And this might

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surprise you. Charlotteans were the least confident thirty two percent,

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so a third. Only a third say they're confident in

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their security on cats. Ashville has the highest confidence, that's

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a fifty two percent. Also, forty eight and a half

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percent say they are confident that North Carolina effectively prevents

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violent criminals from harming the public, but forty five percent

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not so confident, so that's a split as well. When

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asked about the cause of crime number one answer, twenty

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six percent said the sources was judges giving light sentences

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and releasing repeat criminal offenders sixteen percent, so ten percentage

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point difference there said economic hardship or poverty, sixteen percent

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in mental illness, and eleven percent at poor parenting and

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family breakdown. All right, that'll do it for this episode.

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