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October nineteenth, nineteen fifty, here's the Big Grandma.

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Speaker 2: The story you are about to hear is true, only

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the names have been changed to protect the innocent. You're

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a detective sergeant. They're assigned to pegery detail. An accomplished

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check forger resumes operations in your city. The suspects described

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as a middle aged woman. She's written more than twenty

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thousand dollars in bad checks. Your job get her.

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Speaker 3: In a moment, an authentic case from official files.

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Speaker 4: Dragnet the documented drama of an actual crime. Well the

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next thirty minutes, in cooperation with the Los Angeles Police Department,

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you will travel step by step on the side of

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the law through an actual case from official police files,

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from beginning to end, from crime to punishment. Dragnet is

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the story of your police force in action.

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Speaker 5: It was Monday, April seventeenth. Was warm in Los Angeles.

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We're working a day watch out of Forgery Detail. My

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partner's Ben Romero. The boss's Captain Elliott. My name is Friday.

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I was on the way back into work and it

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was seven fifty three am when I got to Room

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twenty nine, Forgery Detail.

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Speaker 6: Morrange, Joe, Hi, how the weekend go?

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Speaker 7: Oh?

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Speaker 8: Pretty slow? Stay at home?

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Speaker 6: DIDs mc gardner. How about that new Lorne you put in?

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How's it doing?

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Speaker 8: We want a loan, We're going to have to move.

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Speaker 6: What's the matter now?

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Speaker 8: Them old things go first, Lesbie, one hundred of Them's

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so many holes at the top of the loan. Looks

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like an old punch boy. No, that's too bad. Can't

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you try some kind of poison on them? Or how

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about those new things?

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Speaker 6: They got out. Well, they call them gopher bombs.

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Speaker 8: I use them with a dozen.

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Speaker 6: They eat anything, Joe, Ben, Yeah, for instance.

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Speaker 9: Money and kept one's see.

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Speaker 8: Okay, what's up Bergin, You ain't gonna like it.

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Speaker 9: M Skiperal brief you.

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Speaker 8: Oneing Skipper, Hi, got's see anything? You two finished up

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with a Benson case yesterday?

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Speaker 6: That right, Yeah, it's all watched up.

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Speaker 10: We're clear, good and you can start on this one

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right away to work with Frank Besser and Ferguson.

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Speaker 8: Here, what is it Grandma? Ird a hunch?

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Speaker 6: Joe?

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Speaker 10: What are we doing to deserve this? It's nothing any

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of us have done. It's what we haven't done. I

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want to stopped once and for all. Are we any

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closer to her than we have been?

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Speaker 6: Fergue?

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Speaker 10: Just about same, Joe. That's why I'm putting two more

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of the on it. How well do you know the case?

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Just what we've heard around the office. Same here, I

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could stand some briefing. Ferguson, Well, you.

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Speaker 11: Must have heard how she operates three months out of

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the year April, October December.

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Speaker 12: That's all.

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Speaker 8: She's never been known to change that schedule, not.

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Speaker 9: As far as I know. She's been doing it the

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same for nine years.

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Speaker 11: All the funny checks she cash is your first, no change,

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that's right. She never writes in less than two dollars,

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never more than one.

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Speaker 8: Hundred nine years.

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Speaker 12: She been doing that.

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Speaker 10: Long nine and a half. It'll be in even ten

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this October. You want to check them out on the.

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Speaker 11: Totals fergus up to and including the first of this month,

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she's cash twelve hundred and seventy three checks.

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Speaker 13: Total is a little over twenty two thousand dollars.

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Speaker 8: Anything special about the way she writes the check, Nothing

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but the signatures as an alias list down out of

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than not your eye out more than two hundred different names.

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Her description is still the same, about fifty years old,

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kind of plump, nice face.

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Speaker 13: A few minor changes. Last year she had gray hair,

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dress very plain. This year she dyed her hair of

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black dresses a little more expensively.

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Speaker 8: Nine years. That's a longest creak of luck for any

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paper hair.

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Speaker 6: That's just it.

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Speaker 10: This old gal's not just an ordinary Paperhanger's no amateur.

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Don't get me wrong, but she doesn't operate like any

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check for a drive or no. She counter addicts part

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of a ramo, part of it.

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Speaker 6: She doesn't.

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Speaker 8: She takes chances an ordinary paperhanger.

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Speaker 10: It never taken. She gets away with him. Take a

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look at just one of these exhibits. Yeah, this one here,

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twenty eight checks passed on the same chain of grocery stores,

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same company.

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Speaker 8: She passed them all in one month.

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Speaker 6: No, that's just the point.

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Speaker 10: Two years ago, she passed fourteen of them, spread them

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out over a period of a month. Last year she

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passed another batch of fourteen, all within three days. One year,

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she used a different name on each check. On this batch,

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she used the same names. Well, does she have any

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identification when she passes each checks?

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Speaker 13: Always pony, driver's license, social Security cards?

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Speaker 9: Who works? And she's got that sweet grandmother smiles.

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Speaker 13: Brooks rarely turn her down when she shows up.

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Speaker 9: With a check.

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Speaker 8: You can get used to different descriptions of her too.

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G's a file of Look, hardly three of the check

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victims can get together. And when she looks like exactly, well.

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Speaker 5: Where are they getting stun most downtown or out in

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the neighborhoods, the.

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Speaker 8: Neighborhoods anywhere from the beach area at the valley.

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Speaker 10: This whole Cliou skipper. That's not just her work, is it?

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Every last bit of it. We can't fit it in

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a six foot shelf. In nine years, I've had five

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teams of man work this thing. None of them reached it.

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You and Friday make the Sixth's April seventeenth. How's she

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doing so far this month for cash?

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Speaker 11: Six hundred and twenty four dollars in checks we know

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of since the first of the month, Same general description,

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same general m O.

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Speaker 6: No fresh leads.

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Speaker 9: She's been operating nine years.

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Speaker 8: Joe, Yeah, just as good as ever.

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Speaker 5: To the working detective, there's no tougher job than tracking

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a lawbreaker.

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Speaker 6: Who's half professional and half amateur.

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Speaker 5: You can expect a criminal who's entirely professional to react

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generally the same in a given set of circumstances, and

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the same with the amateur. But take the two, the

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professional and the amateur, and intermingle their possible and probable reactions.

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You'll likely have a sound reason why and how an

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elderly woman could victimize merchants with twenty thousand dollars in

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bad checks over a period of nine years with being caught. Grandma,

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as she'd come to be known, worked only three months

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out of each year April, October and December her apparent

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fine sense of timing and her knowledge of psychology was

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far and away superior to that of the ordinary paper hanger.

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Speaker 6: If the file on Grandma.

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Speaker 5: Was any indication, she apparently had been born to be

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a successful check for me. After Ben and I spent

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three days on the case with Sergeant's furgus, an investor,

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we were almost convinced that there was only one way

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we could reach the suspect. She had to make a mistake, Bergin,

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how'd you do?

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Speaker 9: Pretty sorry? Poor checks? In two days? Would you fell

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us get two?

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Speaker 6: Don Meyer checked the signatures, they're all hers.

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Speaker 11: Here's our list if you're interested. Meet market out in

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Pico twenty five dollars, grocery in West Hollywood.

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Speaker 13: Forty eight dollars, two department stores downtown, hundred bucks apiece.

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Speaker 6: How do they describe the woman?

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Speaker 9: Same old yarn? She was a nice, charming little.

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Speaker 11: Lady, about fifty five or sixty, small, dark hair, grain,

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dark eyes, nice smile. Clerk told me she reminded of

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his mother. Now'd you make out on those two yours?

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Speaker 8: All about the same? Even a story about it looking

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like somebody's money. One thing? Sure, her timing is just

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as good as it was nine years ago. Downtown Merchants

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Associations screaming again. They're looking for action, so are we.

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Speaker 9: You talked to Captain to day.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, he's looking for action too.

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Speaker 5: I don't know what we can do unless we get

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some kind of cooperation from the merchants.

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Speaker 6: Every time the old gal pushes a bump check.

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Speaker 5: It's three or four days before it gets to the

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bank and we hear about it.

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Speaker 6: Trail's pretty cold by then.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, Joe and I we're talking just before you came

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in Forgie. We can't expect too much to happen where

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we're going.

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Speaker 9: Any ideas there's.

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Speaker 6: More men and more steakhouts. The captain says, they'll buy that.

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Speaker 13: A number ten days in April will be over. Grandma'll

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be through pushing checks till October again.

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Speaker 14: I don't know, Jill. Her forming is too perfect. I mean,

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it's got to be a flaw and at some place.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, you got out a bulletin of it.

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Speaker 8: Revised description of a frigid Yeah, it's all taking care of.

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Speaker 9: Special notices were mailed out the merchants too.

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Speaker 8: Again now as it is it, that's so right away, Thank.

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Speaker 14: You, supermarket on Temple Street. Grandma hit him with two checks.

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Any lead clerk says, you'd remind him of his money.

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Speaker 5: A week passed, the number of stakeouts on business places

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throughout the city was doubled them, and description of the

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suspect was circulated among the merchants in the downtown and

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suburban shopping centers. Clerks were especially warned to be on

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the lookout for The precautions went for nothing. Grandma's checks

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kept showing up at the rate of two and three

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a day. On April twenty seventh, she passed a check

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for fifty dollars at the Delicate Tessa on Hollingwood, Bulevard.

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We drove out to interview the owner, mister Hammerston, do

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Speaker 8: One of those circulars we send out on this woman.

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Speaker 3: Well, I'm ashamed to say it, sergeant, that I have

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hanging right back there in the storeroom. The thing of

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it is, I never connected the tool, the woman and

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the notice. It's the waste she looks at you, you know,

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I could be a healed even question.

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Speaker 6: How was she dressed the last time?

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Speaker 3: She was empty reminy, Well, she had kind of a

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plain black cold on now let's say, would you excuse

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me a minute.

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Speaker 8: I don't like to keep customers waiting if you're going yes, ah.

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Speaker 15: Missus lions need some cold meat. The kids lunches, well,

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you got nice and fresh you.

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Speaker 3: See right there in the case head cheese is very fresh.

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Good for the kiddies. The mento loafs nice too.

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Speaker 15: Kids don't like either one fussy? Better give me thirty

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five cents that small baloney.

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Speaker 9: Would you?

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Speaker 12: Yes, ma'am?

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Speaker 16: Well, kids are so fussy nowadays, got to be in Europe,

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That's what I tell her.

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Speaker 12: I know what it is.

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Speaker 16: Oh, you better give me a couple of those large

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kosher pickles too.

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Speaker 15: Husband's crazy for him, yes, ma'am. And the loaf of

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the rye to would you know?

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Speaker 9: See?

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Speaker 12: Yes? Are the kiddies doing in school? Missus Lyon fine?

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Speaker 8: Mallon's in a school pageant next month. She's going to

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be the queen.

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Speaker 12: Oh that's nice.

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Speaker 15: I don't know how nice.

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Speaker 14: It is.

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Speaker 15: More work, that's all I have to make her costume.

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Speaker 12: Here you are, missus Lyons, put it on the bell?

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Speaker 13: Yeah, would you do that?

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Speaker 15: I'll see you the fifteenth of the month.

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Speaker 12: Right, Sorry to keep you waiting. Office and I tell I, see,

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now where was I?

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Speaker 6: Well, we asked you how the woman was dressed.

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Speaker 12: Oh yeah, I had a black coata and I told

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you that.

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Speaker 3: Yes, very plain looking clothes like any other housewife. Print dress,

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some kind of a scarf around the neck. That's about

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all I noticed.

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Speaker 14: How about that description of her in the bulletinly sense

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you that's very pretty well?

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Speaker 12: Yeah, I guess so.

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Speaker 3: She didn't exactly seem plumped to me, though, kind of

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a nice figure for a woman of her age.

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Speaker 6: You know, if any of your customers were acquainted with her.

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Speaker 3: I wouldn't know that she acted as though she knew

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some of them. But now that this has happened, I

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can see she was just putting on. She was a

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great disappointment to see if she is to a lot

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of people. Mister Joshua her all the time. I'm a widower,

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you know, I thought once or twice I might even

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date her up. Yeah, she seemed like a real good

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sport joshing all the time, fine personality, just as homely

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as you please.

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Speaker 6: That fits in with the other descriptions.

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Speaker 12: Are you ever going to catch somebody like that?

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Speaker 6: Two days later, on April thirtieth, right on schedule.

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Speaker 5: The flow of bogus checks in Grandma's handwriting suddenly stopped up.

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If she continued to work for the same timetable she'd

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been using for the last nine years, she wouldn't start

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operations again until the first of October. During the next

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five months that followed, from May to the end of September,

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Besser Ferguson Ben and I handled the usual run up checkcases.

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At the same time, we used up every spare hour

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we had making preparations for the suspect's next appearance. Every

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businessman throughout the city who might be a possible victim

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was alerted. A revised description of the suspect, together with

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a ramo, was printed up and given wide distribution. Every

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possible precaution was taken. October came. Grandma started on the

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tenth year of her for three career without a hitch.

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On October first, she cast a check for seventy five

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dollars at a large downtown women's shop. As soon as

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we got the report, we went to the department where

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the check had been received.

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Speaker 6: A fashion show was in progress.

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Speaker 9: She carried.

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Speaker 17: Shake there.

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Speaker 18: He would notice them then skirting the doll be recorded.

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Speaker 6: Please are you, mister Montrose.

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Speaker 9: Yes, what is it?

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Speaker 6: Police officers, sir? Forgery detail?

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Speaker 9: Oh? Yes, that check.

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Speaker 12: I wonder if you could hold on to just a moment.

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Speaker 6: Yes, it and.

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Speaker 17: Striking the originality with the rule line look and laughing

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fell a top of an acal deckline pluctuated the ball bridge.

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Speaker 8: Thank Joe. What kind of outfit is that? The models wearing?

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Not much?

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Speaker 6: Do it?

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Speaker 8: All right?

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Speaker 13: Officers would like to step this way please?

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Speaker 8: Okay, this is my office here.

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Speaker 13: Well, I don't know what I can do for you, gentlemen.

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Speaker 8: Check was pasted, very unfortunate the currents you okay the

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check for canty?

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Speaker 6: Is that correct? Yes?

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Speaker 8: The sales girl handled the transaction.

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Speaker 9: She showed me the check.

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Speaker 14: I knew the signals, so I ocated Mary Walker. Yes,

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that's how his check is signed. What kind of identification

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of the woman? All her charge accomplate? You know, the

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small metal card charge of plates would go? I recognize

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that in the signature immediately.

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Speaker 6: You know this Mary Walker pretty well.

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Speaker 8: She's one of our best customers.

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Speaker 4: You are listening to Dragnet authentic stories of your police

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force in action.

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Speaker 5: Friday, October fourth, two pm, before we left the store,

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we found that another worthless check during the signature Mary

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Walker had been cast in a different department of the

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store the same day. The woman had used the same

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means of identification, a metal charge account plate stamped with

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the name Mary Walker. We took the two checks back

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to the office and had Don meyern handwriting compare the signatures.

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There wasn't any doubt in his mind the writing on

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both checks was Grandmaw's.

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Speaker 6: Well, it was only a hunch.

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Speaker 8: But it was beginning to look as though the suspect had.

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Speaker 6: Finally done what we've been waiting nine years for her

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to do. She'd made a mistake.

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Speaker 5: Then, and I drove out to an address in the

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Wilshire district to interview with missus Mary Walker. She fit

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the same general description of the suspect, but she denied

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writing either one of the checks, which bore her signature

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out of the question.

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Speaker 16: Sergeant, I couldn't have written the checks. I haven't even

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been in the city for the past five days.

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Speaker 8: Then the signatures on these two checks here, Missus Walker,

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they're not your.

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Speaker 16: It looks like my handwriting, but it's not. I didn't

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write those checks. They are forgeries.

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Speaker 6: Yes, ma'am, you do have a charge account the start uncemam.

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Speaker 16: Oh, yes, I've had an account there for years. Nothing

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like this has ever happened though.

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Speaker 14: You have one of those charge account plates, Well, yes

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I did have one.

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Speaker 8: You lent it to someone in your family?

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Speaker 16: No, as a matter of fact, I lost it. I

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meant to report it to the store, but it slipped

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my mind.

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Speaker 6: Do you have any idea of where and when you

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might have lost it?

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Speaker 16: Well, I think it was last Sunday night. I'm not sure.

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Oh well, just a minute, I know who would remember,

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and Nurse.

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Speaker 12: Lamber jes there.

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Speaker 15: I'm sure she'll remember, girlfriend's mine.

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Speaker 9: She lives in your neighborhood.

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Speaker 15: Hello, Amy Mary Water I married.

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Speaker 18: Oh just fine and you.

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Speaker 15: Oh good, it's day.

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Speaker 19: I knows which night was that we went to the

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Boosters club meeting Sunday.

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Speaker 15: Yes, I thought that it was, oh nothing.

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Speaker 19: Just some silly misunderstanding. Well all right, Dinas, thanks for

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remembering for me. Yes, goodbye.

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Speaker 16: It last Sunday night, charge and nights Lambert and I

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went to the neighborhood Boosters club meeting.

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Speaker 15: I'm sure that's where I must have lost it.

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Speaker 8: So you think the charge account wait, fell out of

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your purse isn't.

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Speaker 15: It neither that or it was taken?

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Speaker 8: Why do you say that?

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Speaker 15: Man, Well, it's a serious thing. I didn't want to

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mention it.

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Speaker 6: What's that?

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Speaker 16: I left my purse on the chair next to me

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part of the evening. When I got home, I thought

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I was missing a five dollar bill for my change

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pers I didn't notice at the time my charge of

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plate was gone.

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Speaker 8: Do you remember who was at that meeting?

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Speaker 6: Was walking?

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Speaker 15: Oh, forty or fifty people at least?

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Speaker 8: How many women?

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Speaker 6: Would you say?

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Speaker 16: Dozens? So I suppose I am not accusing anybody robbery. Sergeant,

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I know it's a serious charge to me.

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Speaker 8: You know if one of the club officers might have

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taken a list of those present.

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Speaker 15: Oh, they didn't have to. We did the same thing

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at every meeting.

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Speaker 6: What's happening?

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Speaker 15: We all signed the attendance book when we leave.

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Speaker 6: Three pm.

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Speaker 5: Ben and I contacted the secretary of the Neighborhood Boosters

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Club and gave us a list of those present at

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the Sunday night meeting of the club. Mary Walker had

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told us each person present had signed his or her

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name and address in the attendants book. We took the

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record downtown with us and had don Meyer compare each

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signature on the list with samples of Grandma's handwriting.

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Speaker 6: Number thirty two on the list.

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Speaker 8: Fellows, that's it positive. Make no doubt in my mind,

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that's Grandma's handwriting. How she signed it, missus anas Lambert.

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Speaker 5: We went down the hall to R and I and

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had him check the name Anaz Lambert through the files.

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Speaker 6: She had no criminal record.

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Speaker 5: Together with Vesser and Ferguson, Been and I spent the

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next day and a half trailing Aanz Lambert. Wherever she went.

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She fitted the description of the suspect perfectly. We questioned

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her friends and their neighbors. We dug back into every

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corner of her life for the past ten years. The

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results were pretty amazing. We found that she was highly

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respected by everybody she knew. She was active in a

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dozen Civican church organizations. Her reputation was spotless. There was

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only one hitch. Missus Lambert's hobby was charities. By checking back,

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we found that during the past ten years, she donated

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an average of three three thousand dollars annually to various

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charitable organizations.

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Speaker 6: Her husband's total.

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Speaker 5: Annual income was seven thousand dollars from her bank we

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obtained specimen's Vinez Lambert's handwriting. It matched almost perfectly with

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every signature in the Grandma file. Monday, October seventh. Then

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and I call on missus Lambert.

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Speaker 18: Oh, yes, officers, won't you come in? Mary Walker was

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telling me about you come in?

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Speaker 15: Pease?

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Speaker 6: Thank you?

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Speaker 12: Mary.

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Speaker 18: Mary told me about the things missing from her purse

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at the meeting. Is that what you're inquiring about?

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Speaker 6: Yes, ma'am.

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Speaker 8: We've got a few other questions asked you besides that.

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Speaker 18: Well, you've sort of caught me at a bad time,

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just getting ready to put some baking in the oven

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for dinner tonight. Would you mind very much if we

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talked back in the kitchen God to get this done?

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Speaker 14: Oh not at all, man, it's back this way.

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Speaker 18: Oh there goes my cream sauce again.

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Speaker 6: Boiled over.

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Speaker 15: Just take a chair, their officers.

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Speaker 18: I'll be right with you.

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Speaker 6: Thanks.

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Speaker 18: Cream sauce is so temperament. People can't take your eye

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off it for a minute.

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Speaker 8: Okay, she boil over.

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Speaker 18: Now, would either of you officers care for a cup

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of cocoa chili hot today?

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Speaker 8: Well, no, thank you, ma'am. We only have a few

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questions for.

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Speaker 18: It won't take long, Yes, all right. Would you mind

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holding this bull just a minute?

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Speaker 15: Sergeant?

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Speaker 8: Oh, oh yeah, I just.

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Speaker 18: Have to get this in the oven for dinner. My

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husband's favorite dessert. It's called pinch pie. It's kind of

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meringue tart.

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Speaker 6: Let's see. Take two eggs.

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Speaker 18: I mean there we are that these egg whites beaten

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up nice and light that cup of sugar on the sink, sergeant,

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would you be so kind?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, all right, beg you sugar, ma'am, thank you.

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Speaker 18: Now, what is it you wanted to know?

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Speaker 14: Missus Walker had her charge act place stolen that night

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at the Busters sub meeting.

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Speaker 8: Somebody's been using it to catch bad checks in her name?

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Speaker 5: Is that so?

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Speaker 18: Mary didn't tell me that the.

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Speaker 5: Same person who's using that charger plate has been cashing

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bad checks all over the cities.

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Speaker 6: He's been doing it for some time.

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Speaker 18: Oh my, well, I don't think I can help you, Sergeant.

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I went to that meeting with Mary. She says. Somebody

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must have been in her purse, but I didn't see them.

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Speaker 8: Do you have that charge account plate, missus Lambert, Oh.

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00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:21,480
Speaker 18: No, I have my own.

477
00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:22,960
Speaker 9: I'll let me see.

478
00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:29,279
Speaker 18: He's chum vanilla, he'ssum vinegar wolf combined in a small.

479
00:22:29,039 --> 00:22:30,160
Speaker 15: Picture or cup.

480
00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:32,799
Speaker 8: We've got good reason to believe you have that charge

481
00:22:32,839 --> 00:22:36,039
account plate, ma'am? Did you take it from Missus Walker.

482
00:22:36,279 --> 00:22:38,160
Speaker 18: That's a silly thing for you to say, Sergeant. I

483
00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:40,680
told you I have my own charge plate and never

484
00:22:40,799 --> 00:22:44,200
borrow anyone else. There's no reason to add a few

485
00:22:44,319 --> 00:22:46,839
drops of combined litus constantly.

486
00:22:48,279 --> 00:22:50,759
Speaker 6: Did you cash two checks last week and sign them

487
00:22:50,799 --> 00:22:51,880
with Missus Walker's name?

488
00:22:52,319 --> 00:22:52,880
Speaker 15: Of course not.

489
00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:55,359
Speaker 18: Why should I do such a thing. Mary Walker is

490
00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:57,720
one of my best friends. I wouldn't do that to her,

491
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even as a joke.

492
00:23:00,519 --> 00:23:03,240
Speaker 5: Compared the signatures on those two checks, Missus Lambert, Both

493
00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:04,880
of them match your handwriting.

494
00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:09,119
Speaker 18: And all the ingredients have been added. Continue to beat

495
00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:14,160
the meringue for several minutes. Oh, I'm sorry if what

496
00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:15,359
was that you said? Sergeant?

497
00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:19,759
Speaker 5: I said that the signatures on those two forwarded checks,

498
00:23:20,079 --> 00:23:22,920
our handwriting man compared them with specimens of your signature.

499
00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:26,079
Speaker 18: They both matt Well, then your handwriting man certainly made

500
00:23:26,079 --> 00:23:29,279
a mistake. There's a large white platter up on that

501
00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:29,799
cupboard there.

502
00:23:29,799 --> 00:23:31,119
Speaker 15: Would you beat you for me? Please?

503
00:23:38,839 --> 00:23:39,480
Speaker 6: There you are, ma'am?

504
00:23:39,519 --> 00:23:40,039
Speaker 9: Well, thank you?

505
00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:44,279
Speaker 5: Now you deny that you wrote those two forged checks

506
00:23:44,319 --> 00:23:46,400
last week. You deny that you've written in cash about

507
00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:48,920
fifteen hundred worthless checks in the last nine years.

508
00:23:49,319 --> 00:23:50,319
Speaker 18: Of course I deny it.

509
00:23:50,839 --> 00:23:52,640
Speaker 15: You're sure you haven't made a mistake.

510
00:23:54,799 --> 00:23:56,920
Speaker 6: We're sure, ma'am. I'm sorry. You'll have to come downtown

511
00:23:56,960 --> 00:23:57,680
with us for questions.

512
00:23:58,119 --> 00:23:58,799
Speaker 14: Oh what's that?

513
00:23:59,079 --> 00:24:11,279
Speaker 18: Oh man, it's the cream sauce again, Sergeant. I can't

514
00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:13,160
leave the house now, right in the middle of getting

515
00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:16,400
dinner ready. My husband to be furious. If you want

516
00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:17,680
to talk, couldn't do it later on?

517
00:24:18,319 --> 00:24:19,519
Speaker 6: I'm sorry, man, I'm afraid not.

518
00:24:20,279 --> 00:24:23,079
Speaker 18: But you certainly can't accuse me of doing anything wrong.

519
00:24:23,559 --> 00:24:25,240
The folks at the church will vouch for me.

520
00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:28,000
Speaker 14: We've got just as many people who say you've cheated them,

521
00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:31,200
people who catch those checks for you, quite a few.

522
00:24:31,039 --> 00:24:31,640
Speaker 9: Of them, ma'am.

523
00:24:31,759 --> 00:24:32,559
Speaker 6: Nine years worth.

524
00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:36,319
Speaker 18: But that's silly, nine years cash and checks. I'm sure

525
00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:39,119
you must mean somebody else, Sergeant. I've got to get

526
00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:43,920
this platter grease. Let's see keep lorringue upon lightly greased

527
00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:45,079
platters here.

528
00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:56,359
Speaker 5: Look, we have a record downtown on every single check

529
00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:57,680
that you passed since you started.

530
00:24:57,759 --> 00:24:58,720
Speaker 6: Man, We've got.

531
00:24:58,559 --> 00:25:01,359
Speaker 5: Specimens of your handwriting and people to identify them. We

532
00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:03,440
know what your income is, we know how much that

533
00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:04,519
you've given to charities.

534
00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:06,279
Speaker 8: Moneys have got to come from someplace.

535
00:25:07,759 --> 00:25:09,039
Speaker 6: Is that what the checks were for?

536
00:25:09,519 --> 00:25:11,240
Speaker 18: Excuse me, I've got to get this money in the

537
00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:19,839
ovens to seventy five degrees.

538
00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:32,240
Speaker 15: Yeah, I hope we'll put in enough for Milla.

539
00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:36,079
Speaker 6: No one tell us about it.

540
00:25:38,519 --> 00:25:42,640
Speaker 18: I never thought about anyone finding out. I guess I

541
00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:47,720
should have expected it, shouldn't I it was all for charity.

542
00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:52,839
There were so many of them. Or if its Old

543
00:25:52,839 --> 00:25:58,839
People's Home, Christmas Poor Fund and then the overseas relief charities.

544
00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:02,160
They all need money. Somebody has to take care of them.

545
00:26:02,519 --> 00:26:05,640
Speaker 8: Your husband knew nothing about this for ten.

546
00:26:05,559 --> 00:26:10,640
Speaker 18: Years, nothing at all. They were my charities. I had

547
00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:13,759
to have money for them. I took money from people

548
00:26:13,759 --> 00:26:15,799
who had it and gave it to those who didn't.

549
00:26:17,759 --> 00:26:22,480
What do you think a sergeant was I wrong? Do

550
00:26:22,519 --> 00:26:23,759
you think the Good Lord will say.

551
00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:24,200
Speaker 15: I was wrong?

552
00:26:24,599 --> 00:26:25,480
Speaker 6: I wouldn't know, ma'am.

553
00:26:26,799 --> 00:26:29,880
Speaker 18: Only wanted to help the poor like he did. I

554
00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:31,000
came to help the poor.

555
00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:34,599
Speaker 8: Oh there's a big difference, ma'am. Yes, he didn't use

556
00:26:34,599 --> 00:26:35,200
a check book.

557
00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:45,559
Speaker 7: All the story you have just heard was true, only

558
00:26:45,599 --> 00:26:47,920
the names were changed to protect the innocent.

559
00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:51,559
Speaker 4: On December eighteenth, trial was held in Superior Court Department

560
00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:53,799
ninety one, said the in County of Los Angeles, State

561
00:26:53,799 --> 00:26:56,319
of California, in a moment the results of that trial.

562
00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:58,920
Speaker 8: Now here is our star, Jack Webb.

563
00:26:59,519 --> 00:27:00,000
Speaker 6: Thank you.

564
00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:03,039
Speaker 5: The efficiency of any local police department depends on the

565
00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:06,400
quality of its personnel. Each and every man is carefully

566
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:10,519
selected and thoroughly trained. In uniform or plane closed. Your

567
00:27:10,559 --> 00:27:11,960
police officer knows his job.

568
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:23,200
Speaker 4: Miez Lorraine Lambert and her a plea of guilty to

569
00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:26,000
two counts of forgery and the remaining charges were set

570
00:27:26,039 --> 00:27:28,480
off calendar. She was sentenced by the court for the

571
00:27:28,559 --> 00:27:35,400
term prescribed by law. You have just heard Dragnet a

572
00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:39,359
series of authentic cases from official files. Technical advice comes

573
00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:41,640
from the office of Chief of Police W. H. Parker,

574
00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:43,079
Los Angeles Police Department.

575
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:49,240
Speaker 12: This is Robert Young. Here we the people next on NBC.

576
00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:03,400
Speaker 1: Welcome a great case and I think it showcases the

577
00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:07,440
strength of Dragnet in being able to really bring out

578
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:11,880
the dramatic elements in dealing with cases that don't involve

579
00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:15,839
violent crime and the idea that the combination of the

580
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:20,799
pro and amateur together posed this challenge for the police

581
00:28:20,839 --> 00:28:25,200
that went on for nine years is really fascinating. Of course,

582
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:29,640
as in many of dragnet cases, it came down to

583
00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:33,279
her making a mistake, just like Friday thought, and that

584
00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:38,720
mistake was a purely amateur one, taking the charger plate

585
00:28:39,119 --> 00:28:42,000
of someone you knew and doing it at a meeting

586
00:28:42,039 --> 00:28:45,480
where everyone had to sign in. But you have to

587
00:28:45,559 --> 00:28:52,119
say that she really remained dedicated to her character and

588
00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:58,519
to really leaning into that reputation and appearance brought up

589
00:28:58,559 --> 00:29:04,319
till the end. How unflappable she was while being questioned

590
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:08,599
was just fascinating. I found myself thinking, how would Poirot

591
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:13,680
react if somebody was this calm and cool while he

592
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:17,000
laid out the case for why they were guilty. I

593
00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:21,119
have some new thoughts on her question at the end,

594
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:24,119
regarding the rightness of her action, her point that she

595
00:29:24,319 --> 00:29:29,400
was doing it for charity, and the quasi religious justification

596
00:29:29,599 --> 00:29:33,400
for it. It been something I thought about over the years. Obviously,

597
00:29:33,519 --> 00:29:37,759
there's points about the over morality of stealing, and you

598
00:29:37,799 --> 00:29:41,880
could also explain from a Christian perspective how this is

599
00:29:42,039 --> 00:29:46,960
not an appropriate way to do charity. To me, What

600
00:29:47,079 --> 00:29:53,160
really impressed me this time is that there's harm beyond

601
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:58,400
whatever money she stole from the merchant, and whether it's

602
00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:01,319
a question of whether the merchant could eat it or not.

603
00:30:01,759 --> 00:30:05,920
She just seemed to assume just because the merchant cast

604
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:09,359
a check, they had money to burn. Obviously not the case.

605
00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:13,640
But that's not even the biggest long term thing, because

606
00:30:14,119 --> 00:30:17,960
we live in a low trust society, and part of

607
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:20,839
the reason for that is that there have been people

608
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:24,799
who have been dishonest and manipulated others for some sort

609
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:28,319
of stated good in You could come up with all

610
00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:31,400
kinds of examples, some of them controversial. I won't give

611
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:35,400
specifics here, but in most cases these good means are

612
00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:39,720
either secondary or just lies people tell themselves to justify

613
00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:43,160
doing the wrong things they want to do. And as

614
00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:46,519
a result of that, our ability to trust each other

615
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:49,599
has been undermined. And so when she's committing this crime,

616
00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:55,240
using people's trust and rest for older motherly women, and

617
00:30:55,359 --> 00:31:00,880
being this masterful manipulator, she is really doing far more

618
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:05,279
damage than just taking people's money. I remember the shopkeeper

619
00:31:05,359 --> 00:31:08,920
talking about being disappointed she didn't just cheat him, she

620
00:31:09,079 --> 00:31:13,200
undermined his trust in his fellow man and that sort

621
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:16,000
of thing does far more damage than we might credit.

622
00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:19,119
I think the way that we've gotten to where we

623
00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:22,359
are with our lack of trust in society isn't one

624
00:31:22,519 --> 00:31:25,599
big things, but a lot of little things that have

625
00:31:25,759 --> 00:31:27,920
happened that have been in the news, that have happened

626
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:31,839
to people individually. It's death by a thousand paper cuts,

627
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:35,279
and this is the type of action that, in a

628
00:31:35,319 --> 00:31:38,759
small way, contributed to that. I will also say that

629
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:42,960
the actress was magnificent in this role. I've heard this

630
00:31:43,039 --> 00:31:46,920
episode multiple times. I've seen the TV episode as well,

631
00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:49,640
and there was still a small voice in my head

632
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:51,880
that was like, are we sure they got the right

633
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:56,160
woman here. You also have to admire the sound effects

634
00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:59,559
work on Dragnet. It does have me a bit spoiled,

635
00:32:00,279 --> 00:32:03,599
you know. I'll listen to other programs and they say,

636
00:32:03,759 --> 00:32:06,119
you know, we're at a location like we're going down

637
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:08,319
to a bowling alley, we're going to a bar, we're

638
00:32:08,319 --> 00:32:12,200
going to a casino, and they don't do any sound

639
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:15,160
effect works to make you feel like you're listening to

640
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:19,519
something happening in a bar or casino, or it is

641
00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:24,119
just very bare minimum and drag Now you actually get

642
00:32:24,119 --> 00:32:27,519
to hear people order groceries and you get a fashion show.

643
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:34,599
And the ordering groceries part was interesting. For the throwaway

644
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:39,400
line about her picky children, it does suggest that the

645
00:32:39,559 --> 00:32:42,480
parents of those of us who grew up in the

646
00:32:42,559 --> 00:32:46,759
eighties and told us about children in Africa may have

647
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:50,960
ripped off their own parents' line, but just changed it

648
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:55,680
from war torn Europe. It does seem like we are

649
00:32:55,720 --> 00:33:00,279
progressively getting more picky about food, and maybe that for

650
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:04,680
better or for worse, the mental loaf is still around.

651
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:09,000
I hadn't noticed it, but it apparently it's hiding somewhere

652
00:33:09,039 --> 00:33:14,400
in the deli case. I just hadn't seen. But headcheese

653
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:17,000
seems to be a bit more of a specialty item

654
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:19,519
here in the US for those who like it, you know,

655
00:33:19,559 --> 00:33:23,000
you can find somewhere, but it is not likely to

656
00:33:23,119 --> 00:33:27,440
end up in any kid's launches. All right. Well, now

657
00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:31,359
we turn to listener comments and feedback, and we have

658
00:33:31,559 --> 00:33:35,799
a comment from Spotify regarding the big pair the Lions.

659
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:38,759
I wrote, what do you get for a wedding present

660
00:33:38,759 --> 00:33:40,920
when you leave it to a man to pick it out?

661
00:33:41,039 --> 00:33:42,839
An anti apple peeler?

662
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:44,200
Speaker 19: Now there.

663
00:33:44,359 --> 00:33:47,720
Speaker 1: I'd never thought of it as just a man issue.

664
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:52,160
That that was what Ben Romero picked out. I'd like

665
00:33:52,319 --> 00:33:57,960
to think that even without the benefits of modern wedding registries,

666
00:33:58,759 --> 00:34:04,039
that there were men who were more aware than Sergeant

667
00:34:04,079 --> 00:34:09,599
Romero about what you actually needed to set up housekeeping.

668
00:34:10,079 --> 00:34:14,480
And like I said, it's a bit surprising that they

669
00:34:14,599 --> 00:34:18,199
end up doing that because he is actually a married man,

670
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:22,079
though I don't know, maybe there were more guys who,

671
00:34:22,599 --> 00:34:27,039
even if they're married, they didn't really understand what went

672
00:34:27,079 --> 00:34:30,119
into setting up the house. I'd at least use the

673
00:34:30,159 --> 00:34:33,079
phone a friend and you know, call your wife. But

674
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:36,519
be that as it may. Then we have a comment

675
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:43,639
on YouTube. This one's not regarding Dragnet. It's actually regarding

676
00:34:44,519 --> 00:34:48,719
our four thousand, three hundred and fiftieth episode special, which

677
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:54,639
is the Hollywood Star Playhouse presentation of Hotspot. And usually

678
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:59,119
I don't read out comments regarding episodes that old, just

679
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:02,480
because either you know, you have new people in the audience,

680
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:06,719
or we all can't retain all the details of all

681
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:09,840
the episodes we played. But this one was kind of

682
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:13,159
an interesting comment and struck me as relevant to dragging that,

683
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:16,960
so I'll go ahead and read it. Mechanic six six

684
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:19,480
' eighty two writes Hatam. I've been listening to about

685
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:22,000
seven hundred and fifty of these stories, and I can't

686
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:25,760
recall a single time a suspect ever asked for a lawyer.

687
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:28,960
It's not believable that a big Hollywood agent would be

688
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:33,039
interrogated and harassed by cops and never call a lawyer.

689
00:35:33,119 --> 00:35:36,679
Same with all of the suspects miss On, Mister Chameleon

690
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:41,039
and most other shows. I know that these were before Miranda,

691
00:35:41,119 --> 00:35:44,159
but rich people and most criminals knew of their right,

692
00:35:44,519 --> 00:35:48,119
thank you so much, And that is a good point.

693
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:52,280
I would say that there are mentions of bringing in

694
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:55,920
a lawyer or a lawyer being called in. That happened

695
00:35:56,480 --> 00:36:03,039
every now and again, but it's surprise infrequent. It's part

696
00:36:03,079 --> 00:36:07,400
of the dramatic style, and honestly, lawyers got too involved.

697
00:36:07,519 --> 00:36:10,639
It would be kind of hard to get many of

698
00:36:10,639 --> 00:36:13,960
these episodes done in half an hour. One of the

699
00:36:14,119 --> 00:36:18,360
big episodes where a lawyer got involved in a case

700
00:36:18,519 --> 00:36:22,760
quite a bit was the Dragonnet episode Eric Kelby, where

701
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:25,960
in fact Friday and Romero sat out to try to

702
00:36:26,039 --> 00:36:29,679
find some way to question this guy apart from his lawyer,

703
00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:32,159
who would get him to clam up and he wouldn't

704
00:36:32,199 --> 00:36:35,480
provide any information, but thanks so much for the observation.

705
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:40,000
And then we have a comment from Saysoft, and this

706
00:36:40,039 --> 00:36:43,360
one is on Bulldog Drumming Adam. A few weeks ago

707
00:36:43,519 --> 00:36:46,960
someone commented how bad the English accents of the two

708
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:51,400
Bulldog Drumming Star sound. In reality, there are other examples

709
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:55,480
of Americans with bad English accents that are even worse.

710
00:36:55,559 --> 00:36:59,159
The earliest example I know about is the movie Hell's Angels,

711
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:02,920
which was produced by Howard Hughes in nineteen thirty. Although

712
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:05,440
it was a story about the British Royal Air Force

713
00:37:05,519 --> 00:37:09,239
during World War One, Hughes hired all American actors who

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didn't even attempt to affect in English accent. The worst

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one of the bunch was Gen Harlowe. The movie isn't

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all that bad, but it is marred by having American

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actors who didn't even attempt to speak with the proper accents.

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Fast forward to the nineteen sixties and we have Dick

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Van Dyke trying to speak with a Cockney accent in

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the movie Mary Poppins. He was a total failure getting

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that accent right and was roundly criticized for it. The

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third and final example I know of about is Kevin

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Costner's version of Robin Hood. I never saw that movie,

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but apparently Costner's English accent was so bad that mel

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Brooks had the Robin Hood character men in tights say

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something to the effect unlike other Robin Hoods, I can

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speak with the proper English accents. Of course, he was

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referring to Costner, So compared with these three examples, I'll

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just say that the English accents of The Bulldog Drumming

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Stars are actually pretty good, fair point, and probably part

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of the reason why I didn't really complain about the

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accents myself. I think that the way they did it

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was fine for the time, and there were four worse accents,

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and I would say that would go on both sides

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of the Atlantic. There were some pretty really rubbish British

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plain American people in various British productions, probably into the

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nineteen nineties. Thanks so much, appreciate the comments, says Off.

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And now it is time to thank our Patreon supporter

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of the day, and I want to thank David. David's

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you so much for your support, David, and that will

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be back next Saturday with another episode of drag Net,

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and on Tuesday we'll be bringing you Operation Danger. Sunday,

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of course we will have our Sunday Encore, but then

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our regular lineup returns on Monday with the adventures of

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the Falcon Wear.

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Speaker 20: I often to give you a lift a headquarters, Yes, wearing,

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so you could pump me about the Eberhart case.

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Speaker 2: Well a lot of good it did me.

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Speaker 8: I told you all we know wearing, which adds up.

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Speaker 4: To a big fat zero.

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Speaker 13: You haven't any more on a missing patient than I have.

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Speaker 6: If there is a missing patient.

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Speaker 2: There is, Sergeant, you'll know there is no no nowhere.

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Speaker 20: It's just because you stuck your neck out. Don't expect

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me to follow. Look, I said I'd find that character

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for a call, and I will more power to you

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after Oh, there are only ten million people in New York.

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Speaker 21: That's right, So why couldn't at least one of them

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have seen this guy?

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Speaker 8: Still, assuming there is such a guy.

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Speaker 21: Oh, why couldn't he have left the clue? Why isn't

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there something one easily lead to his identity? Why can't

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I keep my big mouth.

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Speaker 8: Shut of that? Wearing?

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Speaker 21: Is the question promising missus eebahat, I've planned the guy

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when there's not a single thing.

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Speaker 4: To go on, don't worry.

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Speaker 5: Just leave it to me.

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Speaker 2: Everything is going to.

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Speaker 20: Be all right.

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Speaker 21: You know something, COVID, I must be nuts wearing For

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the first time in my life, I'm inclined to agree

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with you.

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Speaker 1: I hope you'll be with us then. In the meantime,

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send your comments to Box thirteen at Great Detectives dot net,

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