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Speaker 1: All right, let's move into our second part of the episode.

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For the main feed, I'm Draws. That's Taylor. You know

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we're doing here back to the MCU kim Fie. So

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we gotta read off some stuff. This came out on Friday,

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so I'm gonna just rattle them off, and if there's

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anything you want to stop me on, Taylor, stop me.

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And if not, the same thing, I'm gonna have some points,

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let me bring it up. So to clarify, these are

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just reports from sources. Obviously, Wall Street Journal is a

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bit more of a higher profile, so there's a higher tier,

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so it's more it's it's probably not just you know,

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weird scuttle but it's stuff that's probably actually been heard

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or talked about and stuff. But so I'm gonna go

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point by point, and like I said, there's anything you

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want me to stop me, Taylor, go ahead. But this

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come out last week. I think the headline was like,

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you know, at one point Hollywood wanted more Marvel but

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now wants less or something like that. But so here

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we go Kevin Figy and this is all paraprise. By way,

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in the Wall Street article, they have it like a

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whole night ridden in source and stuff like that. This

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is just the bold points because for that arc, they

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have to pay for it, and uh, I'm not paying

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for Wall Street Journal. Sorry, you know it's not not

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what I'm doing there. But uh, Kevin Faigy really didn't

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want to make Disney Plus shows. He agreed to it

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because he could see the store potential, but mostly because

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he wanted to play ball of Eiger, Chapik and Wall

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Street Investors, which like and all this stuff will talk

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about is so much just like a lot of it

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is just that makes sense or a lot of it's

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like stuff we've talked about before. Where I will say

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that I did think I agreed with them at that point.

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It was a good idea. Like if you're starting to

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stream a service, you're gonna need shows, right, So it's

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a good idea for Star Wars to put shows on there.

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Disney what's another brand obviously they have like Pixar and

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Disney they tried and stuff. There's other points. I don't

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know what I want to save what up? But I

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could see why he maybe was opposed to it because

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they hadn't done TV. But now I think it's one

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of these things that yeah, I just don't know where

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to bring this point up because we have a I

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might come. I'll bring up a point after. But yeah,

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any thoughts on that, Taylor.

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Speaker 2: I think the idea of putting out these shows. I

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think at the start it was welcomed, it was awesome,

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and then I think things kind of got a little

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oversaturated and a little convoluted, and the whole idea too,

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of trying to keep up and understand that, Okay, we're

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made to believe that you can watch these movies without

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needing to watch the shows, but that's not true for

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not all, No, not true. Holy shit, they fucked that

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up and they've ruined it because you have an instance

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where if you watch The Falcon and The Winter Soldier,

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then you're going to be getting a scenario where you

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have a character go through all of these tribulations and

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make several advancements in their development to only get to

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a main movie. You now, you're someone who's watching all this,

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your big fan. You get to the main movie, and

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you have to be dissatisfied by seeing that same character

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regress and make the same improvements that they did in

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the TV show when they shouldn't be doing this because

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they've already conquered this part of their moral dilemma.

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Speaker 3: They should be even.

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Speaker 2: Further ahead, so that I feel like they retroactively take

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two steps back by doing some of these things with

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these main characters in the shows, and it's it's damaging.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess I'll say it here because it's gonna

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tell because we're talking about the vision thing, and there's

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a scoopa that said, that's the last time you're going

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to see a movie character. So we might rinse and

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repeat a little things here, But that's what I'm gonna

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say you, Sam, And I think there's some things I agree

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with you on. There's some things I disagree, but I

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do agree on the points. But like for me, the

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biggest one is Wanda. Like, if you watch Avengers Endgame

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and you've seen your Jurney up to then let's say

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you don't watch Wanda Vision, then you watch Doctor Strange.

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Where did she have children? You know? Where was she

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having this marriage division and everything like that. And don't get

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me wrong, I remember when they announced all this stuff

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and it's like, oh, they're doing what if and they're

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doing Moonnight and she haul because that's what I was

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excited for or was the I think there was two

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things right. I was excited for characters that could never

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get a movie they could be on Disney Plus, which

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I still should think should be the case. But this

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is where I always have no problemitting I'm wrong. I thought.

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I remember we were watching Loki and they introduced King there, right,

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and I thought, Man, what a he That's a great idea.

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because you're introducing your next big bad, the villain of

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your whole saga on a Disney Plus show and now

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retrospect that sounds funny. But to me back then, I thought, oh,

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this is a great way to get people to actually

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go and watch it, because man, that's how they set

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it up, or saying they Wanda, that's how they set

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up or Samp that's how he got set up with this,

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the whole suit and everything. But I think we found

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out that for the most part, it's a little bit

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different like Wanta Vision LOGI were still big hits, but

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I think we felt for the most part that the

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MCU audience was very much a movie on it, like

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the general audience was very much a movie audience. I

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don't think they were wanting two TV shows, and it's

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the same way, like this is a quick thing. I

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suppose we'll understand this and day we'll understand this. But

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for wrestling, there's a company called AW. They're a newer company.

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They've been around for five years, and at one point

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they just did one show a week and it was fantastic.

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But they did, you know, great ratings and that the

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company won more shows. So they did that, but that

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was the problem that they do three shows and then

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towns would get spread out, so you wouldn't know which

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town's gonna be a which show, and it just that's

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what happened where I just and when I watched w B,

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that was like you get four to five shows a week,

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and it's like, eh, like all right, but I was

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looking for that. I was happy with Okay, every Wednesday

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I knew, I tuned into AW Dynamite and I had

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seen every episode. And then once they went to three shows,

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there's many times where I've not seen all the shows

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that week, or I've missed a match. I just hear

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what people say is great and then go watch it later.

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And that's with wrestling, and that's like to a bigger extent,

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but with general audience who sometimes only picks a few

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things to watch. At first, I thought it was a

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good idea doing those big story points and shows. But

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now after the fact that we've seen everything, even with

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the Marvels, right they showed off Bree Lars and Team

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with them on and Tiana Paris What's your Name? Like

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Spectrum from WandaVision, people didn't know who the fuck they

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were really, you know, or not enough of them did

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so at first that's where I came completely because you'll

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hear around those reviews like, man, this this is a

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huge deal, because that's why I thought, you got to

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make these shows feel important, and they definitely did. And

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the shows end up the quality not being the greatest,

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so that hurt them. When I think the MCU, I

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know tons of people go like, oh, the MSU is

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it was never really gone? And then why are people

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saying it's back. It's always been here And there's great

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stuff on these PHAs for me personally, and I think

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probably the same thing for you, And maybe I can

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even speak for Dylan Kirkland. I guess maybe Dylan, I'd

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have to ask, because I know he was not a

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fan of Incredible Health, but there wasn't stuff we were

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failing the MSU until after endgame, right, Like that's the

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difference to me where I was fine within Finny Saga

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having a project that's like a six out of ten

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or six point five because it's fine, it's still passed

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and there's other great stuff coming. Where we got stuff

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like Secret Wars you know or not no, sorry, I'm

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Secret Invasion, you know, or Eternals or Black Widow. I

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think it was lesser ant Man Quantumedia. Like for me,

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there's stuff in there that was not as great. So yeah,

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where it saying with Fi you've seen the opportunity. That's

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where I was, but it just didn't work out. And

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even if the quality was there, maybe too much was

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too important. Uh. It wasn't just Daredevil. Marvels students as

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a whole underwent a huge creative overhaul, having dealt with

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one too many flops. Thunderbolts was the first movie made

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post overhaul. Marvel has grown increasingly anxious about their quality,

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which is why it keeps delaying Blade, which to be

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makes sense. I don't know if we're ever really gonna

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get Blade, right, we'll see what happens. It's a running joke.

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I hope that as far as like, if you make

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people wait this super long time, it's it's gotta be

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I think good or great. And that's where to me,

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I'm fine with all these delays as long as we

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get it eventually. The reason why I've still never said

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it's a fake because you know me, Chris and Brandt,

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you know, and now David, we've talked about this before,

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like fake me, right, because I had always said about

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war Machines, this isn't happening. Yeah, it was war Machine right. Yeah.

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reason for that was not because you know, Blade of

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course was getting delayed, right, But my reason for Armor

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gonna go with their heavy hitters. Armour Wars is not

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a heavy hitter. I think Blade is not a heavy

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hitter as far as like the s tier, but I

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think could be a tier, especially with Ali, I think

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that character holds a lot of weight. So that's why

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I'm still never ready to say that's a dead movie,

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because there's tons of potential with the Blade, and that's why, sure,

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it'll always be kind of memed upon, but if they

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get it right, then it doesn't really matter. So and

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there was another thing too. Where was the quote here

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from Bob Iger? If I can find it, I saved

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it to somewhat. Oh man, I don't think I have

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it anymore, but I pretty much just said something like, oh,

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and he even said focusing on film, but anything on

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that one, tayl or moving on.

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Speaker 2: I think it's very interesting the fact that they they

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were doing all of these different projects and when they

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finally got things together and they were cleaning up their act,

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Thunderbolts is the one.

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Speaker 3: That was posts after that.

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Speaker 2: And I think it's funny how reading the article you

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have people that are trying to track down Figgy in

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the halls like drop them, get an elevator, and they

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like close the doors.

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Speaker 3: It's like, I gotcha, Figy.

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Speaker 1: That's the next thing. I can read this off because

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you're talking about that. The overall came as a result

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of kem Figgy being completely exhausted by Phase four in

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early Phase five, which we've we kind of figured out

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because there's just like too much going on. There would

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be times where production teams wouldn't hear from Figy for weeks,

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two months on end. By time he had to give

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those teams feedback, it was too late to implement. There

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were instances where creative had to literally ambushed Figgy Marvel

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Studios half in the hallway for any kind That's how

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bad the situation had gone.

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Speaker 3: That is not a healthy work environment.

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Speaker 2: No, And like Disney's, Disney's Golden Goose right now is

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Kevin Figee and I take great comfort now and knowing

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that the slump that we hit with these projects was

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it wasn't that he was he was trying. He was

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definitely trying, but he was exhausted.

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Speaker 3: There were too many things going.

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Speaker 2: On too much like side narratives, and that it shows

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there these decisions by these suits in and office boardrooms

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up high. Their decisions are what put Marvel into this

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predicament right now with these narratives that aren't adding up

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in these post credit scenes that are just gonna be

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left uncontinued and so forth.

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Speaker 1: Yes and no, because like I think they got a

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little I'm of two minds now that I want to

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defend the studios, but one figy team. They should have

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played it safe by just doing mostly ad credits that

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tease the next project, right they got I had a

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hand of teasing, Oh Harry Styles and heracules, Like they

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teased way too much. They should have been like for

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every four projects. But you got to admit to where

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one endgame happens. Marvel, you know, off c Avatar retook

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this record, but the biggest movie of all time, that

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record had been broken for a while there on top,

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and remember COVID happened. So that's where like I always

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would wonder the strikes too, but I would always wonder

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what would happen with Marvel. Covid never happened because the

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streaming services became such a big thing, right, So you

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got to see from their perspective of we're back in

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twenty twenty. No one can go to theaters. We can't

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make any money that way. And that's where the studios,

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bunch of streaming content, because that could be the right

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you know, knock on wood here, I got it. Five

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years from now, another pandemic or something happens, we can't

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go to the movie theaters, right, So that's when the

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streaming service again would be massive. And that's where I

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do understand the studio's point of view during COVID of

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we need money and we need you know, there's there

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do get that. I think it's probably the problem was

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film COHESI without being caught up with all their Disney

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that before, like Secret Invasion to the Marvels and uh,

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you know with even like Falcon not so much like

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that was that stayed true. But even doctor strange, and

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Raimi said like he had never seen WandaVision, he had

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like been told what happened. He's like great, and then

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they moved along and just went went when happened and

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suer Mike says, I bet James Gunn never had to

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ambush fire to get his approval for anything on volume three,

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yes or no. I don't think he had to, but

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there's reports that I think there's reports for I think

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Ghan has mentioned this or whatever. No, but every time

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they were editing the Guardians movies, Foggy was always right there,

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like he was over his shoulder, not a bad way,

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but like Figgy was probably where now get them. No,

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probably was going on with this. These reports were Foggy

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literally couldn't write. Doesn't matter how many people you get,

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you can't and not. This is not to the same

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extent for us, But it's like that's why we brought

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back Weekly Geek because then it's like we still like

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to do the four person cast, but it's like when

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we're doing reviews and side quests and bonus stuff and

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some of us, you know, we just need time offer

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just to be free or just whatever. And that's where

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I said, Okay, we can still cover the news, but

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not break our backs. But of so we do lots

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of episodes. So that's but like we're in a much

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different situation. We're not a multi billion trillion dollar corporation

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like with Foggy. It's just he is only one guy, right,

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back the amount of content they're doing.

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of like monitoring how Guardians was going and just letting

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James Gunn do his thing.

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was in the room editing that, like he was like

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he's letting James Gunn do his thing. But like when

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he came to the final edit, but he still was

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there and he was still yeah oh yeah yeah.

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Speaker 2: So I think with that, in comparison to everything that

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we've seen so far, I just think that again, we

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know Faggy is.

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Speaker 3: A golden goose, and I think that at the end.

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Speaker 2: Of the day, he it goes to show that him

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not being attached to these projects in the past is

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definitely hurting that franchise overall, and it's it's he needs

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to be closely attached to these stories moving forward because

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everything after not everything, most of the things after and

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game are definitely murky. But right now I feel confident

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and happy knowing that he's probably super like attached to

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the hip to Fantastic form, probably has been for a

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while and gonna be like overseeing that. So I have

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a lot of stock and Fantastic for being just absolutely

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kick ass. And again that's why I'm super excited too

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with how Thunderbolts concluded, because I feel like, Okay, he

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was he had he was mentally there and available for Thunderbolts,

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and that shows when you stack it again with the

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director and the writing team behind that as well lots

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of talent. And so where we're at now at the

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back half of this phase getting into Avengers, and we

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have five gyback and that mental headspace, you know, doing

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what he's doing best, then I feel really really confident

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that even though they had a little bit of a

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blunder with Kang, that we're going to get something, you know,

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with doom here. That's going to be cohesive and pretty awesome,

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and I trust, I trust Fike. I just hope that

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I hope that they before he retires they tell the

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stories that they want to tell, because I think the

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moment he steps down and he retires or anything like that,

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then they got it, like a winning the MCU down.

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They're not going to be able to keep it going forever.

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Speaker 1: No, they'll keep it going. I don't know the quality

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of it. Hopefully it's someone that's in control, but we'll

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talk about that as far as the next ten years.

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But I think if it's making money, someone will still

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have it. This was kind of a carry on in that.

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But Miss Marvel in particular was a failure that hit

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Marvel Studios hard morale because it was a show that

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everyone including Fight was extremely proud of. Twenty twenty three

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is the first year Marvels Studio's history where they actually

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fired employees, which of course that's just like that sucks.

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The Miss Marvel thing I can completely get because I

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think we're one of the few, like as far as

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Marvel fans goes, like our podcast fake none of us

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hate the show, but I think all of us like

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you know, enjoyed it enough, but like for me, it

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was this point like I'll never watch it again. I

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see some points why people love it, but I think

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it is overhyped by people. But still tons of people

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did love it, but that was its lowest rated show

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when people didn't really end up caring about it. And

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that's the thing where I think it is a culmination

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of like too much going on. But then there is

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still a thing of you know, everyone uses guardians, example

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of like well, no one knows who they were. Yeah,

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that's true, but sometimes that could also just be the

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exception of the rule, right, and not the rule where well,

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because Marvel Studios is great, they can make any unknown

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property a billion dollar Like well no, I was like, no,

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that doesn't always happen. And that was in a time

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where Marvel was much higher up, right, So but I

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could see that's our a show that was like critically

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loved and everything anything saynd that. So let's see it

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came with still a big bat of the multi verse

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sag until early twenty four, twenty four, and they decided

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to pivot to Doctor Mea. We do all that, Let's

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see Doomsday and Secret Wars with the main priority. They're

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going back to run things the way they used to,

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with a ten year plan for the next mute and saga,

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which to me that makes sense. We'll talk about it

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with the TV stuff. But it's just kind of funny

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where we've gone on. But yeah, that's where it's like

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right now we have I could be wrong. I'm gonna

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go fill my water bottle tail because I'm very parched.

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Can you look up and just confirm me for next

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year in the year after, do we have any other

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MCU movies other than the Avenger movies? So look that

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up and talk to people.

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Speaker 2: Let's see here, all right with him gone? First things first,

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what have we got here?

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Speaker 1: Nope?

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, feeding the ducks?

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Speaker 1: We like this track?

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Speaker 3: All right, So, ladies and.

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Speaker 2: Gentlemen, upcoming Marvel movies in twenty twenty five. So we

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knew that we had Thunderbolts, Ironheart's a series, Fantastic four

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First Steps, that's a movie, Isaaconda, it's another series, Marbles.

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Speaker 3: Zombies, Okay, wonder Man. Forgot about wonder Man?

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Speaker 1: No, so just me movies not shows.

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Speaker 3: Isn't wonder Man it says it's a movie.

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Speaker 1: No, it's a show.

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Speaker 3: What?

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Speaker 1: Oh? My I did a number one. So if we

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got Spider Man right, mmmm, yes, so yeah, just get

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the movies. Wonder Man's a lie because right now, if

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you look austly, Thunderbolts, you know, not doing amazingly box

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office wise, but it sounds like it's like good enough.

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But the run of if Tarry confirms this for me, Thunderbolts,

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Fantastic Four, Doomsday Spider Man, and Secret Wars, that's the five.

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Can you confirm that for me?

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Speaker 2: I think you are pretty spot on with that.

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Speaker 1: So you look at that Fantastic Four, which I'm I

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think obviously the Thunderbolt stuff did help it, but with

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that we still have to see, hey do people care

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about that four? We'll find out what you're laughing about.

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Just blade right, Blade, but nothing did right So like

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Fantastic Four, even then, I still think it's gonna be hit.

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I think it's gonna be successful. Looks good, cast is good,

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and it's gonna play into the gray MCU. If you

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look at that run of five movies Thunderbolts, Fantastic Four, Doomsday,

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Spider Man, and then Secret Wars, you're pretty much just

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when we talked about in the last cast about like

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the S tier characters. I would say those are all

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almost S tier ones, right, Like, Okay, thunder Bolts is

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B tier, maybe Fantastic four is a tier, but like

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Spider Man and Two Avengers movies, those are S tier right.

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So it's like, and even then, I think that's not

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a bad thing. If if next year all we got

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is Spider Man Avengers, and the year after all we

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got is Avengers do our secret Wars, that's not bad

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thing because last year we had just dead Puol Wolverine, right,

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and that made over a billion dollars. I'm not saying that, oh,

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if you just do one Marvel movie a year, you'll

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make a billion dollars. I'm not saying that, but I'm

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just saying that sometimes even Iigres said that today and

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even this report, it's like sometimes less is more. And

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I think in this situation where you're trying to build

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people back up, like get them back in, if you're

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leading with your big guns F four, Spider Man, and

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Two Avengers, I think that as a way that if

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all those can hit and do well, people will start

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to kind of fall back in love with the MCU.

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And guess what the rumored movies that are coming up,

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but they're not official, but it is Doctor Strange three,

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thoor or five, and Black Panther three. Those are characters

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that are running around. Absolutely no, absolutely, So okay, even

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that four. Let's let's say after Secret Wars, the next

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four movies are Doctor Strange, Black Panther three, four foor

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or five, and X Men. Those are also four, just

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like big movies right in a row. Right, Maybe they

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don't got to do all four in a year. Please

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don't do that. But that's what I mean. Where when

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it's okay, what's next, Well, that's where you have s

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tier characters. That's where I'm sorry. I think that's where

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like people like sun Chie, it's not gonna happen like

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a movie like other ones that are like I'm trying

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to think, like we talked about that already, like ant Man,

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like Catain Marrow, Like I don't think that's gonna be

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the case. So I think that's where. Okay, I've just

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finished Secret Wars. What's next? Okay, Doctor Strange three? Oh?

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I loved Doctor Strange. He's from the Infinity Saga, like

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he's been around for a while. I still love Doctor Strange.

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Speaker 3: Oh.

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Speaker 1: I love thor or five or like I love Chris

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Hams for like Black Panther will see that's a bit

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more tricky because Chadwick. But still like Ryan Coogle's gonna

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come off Sinners, right, you know, they're gonna use that

471
00:22:15,519 --> 00:22:17,960
promotion be like the guy who's created it's like, you know,

472
00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:22,799
very original, hyped up movie Sinners, you know. Like so

473
00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:25,440
I think that's the thing where they can have a

474
00:22:25,519 --> 00:22:28,119
really really good run and win people back, and that

475
00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:30,640
is the pause of they have that. Sure, their brand's

476
00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:33,000
a little tough, like it had some tough times, but

477
00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:36,279
like I said, they have some big heavy hitters. DC

478
00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:38,799
doesn't have that right now. They got Superman. They gotta

479
00:22:38,839 --> 00:22:41,839
hope that hits and then Supergirl. But it's like you

480
00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:47,480
know clay Face maybe you know, like the Authority, uh

481
00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:49,799
some other stuff where it's like they don't have Batman

482
00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:51,519
on the docks. They don't have Wonder Woman in the docks.

483
00:22:51,519 --> 00:22:53,759
They got a Green Lantern show, which I think is

484
00:22:53,759 --> 00:22:55,319
a mistake. I think that should be a movie, it

485
00:22:55,319 --> 00:22:59,200
shouldn't be a show. So no, like I I think

486
00:22:59,279 --> 00:23:01,240
making a ten like The X Men should have a

487
00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:02,920
tenure plan. That to me is like a no da

488
00:23:03,079 --> 00:23:04,559
and that's one thing that does show to me. I

489
00:23:04,559 --> 00:23:06,359
know Tata is called the Golden Goose a couple of

490
00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:09,759
times their Golden egg. I do think that shows that fivey,

491
00:23:09,759 --> 00:23:12,640
as long as things go well, is gonna be around

492
00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:15,960
for at least ten more years. I thought after Secret

493
00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:17,960
Wars he might walk away, but I think it sounds

494
00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:20,799
like he's gonna be sticking around. But yeah, do you

495
00:23:20,839 --> 00:23:23,799
think they can get? The other point here is everyone

496
00:23:23,839 --> 00:23:26,279
in the studio is fully aware that superhero and fatigue

497
00:23:26,319 --> 00:23:29,400
is real, and that's what's currently driving to make better entertainment.

498
00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:31,759
Do you agree with me that if they can again

499
00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:33,960
these movies, I'm not saying have to be all timers,

500
00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:36,200
but they still think have to be at least the

501
00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:41,480
quality of I'll say Thunderbolts like an Avengers movie. The

502
00:23:41,519 --> 00:23:43,559
quality Thunderbolts like that'd be good. Do you think if

503
00:23:43,599 --> 00:23:46,559
they can make those movies at least people happy with

504
00:23:46,599 --> 00:23:48,680
them and leading with these big tier ones, that they

505
00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:51,319
can kind of bring some people back and maybe I'll

506
00:23:51,319 --> 00:23:53,119
get to the glory of endgame days, but kind of

507
00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:56,799
get maybe even like phase end of Phase one, phase

508
00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:59,319
twoition as far as some hype again, I.

509
00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:03,240
Speaker 2: Absolutely think if they're if they handle their cards right

510
00:24:03,279 --> 00:24:06,599
with these with these few projects, just hypothetically the ones

511
00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:07,880
you listed off, and even if.

512
00:24:07,759 --> 00:24:09,319
Speaker 1: Play did happen, that would be big for them. I

513
00:24:09,319 --> 00:24:10,119
think that's very big.

514
00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:10,759
Speaker 3: Yeah big.

515
00:24:10,839 --> 00:24:13,720
Speaker 2: I think that there is absolutely enough pull that you

516
00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:15,880
could kind of garner in a little bit of that

517
00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:18,880
that community back in here and just the the ogs

518
00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:20,319
and the fandom and whatnot.

519
00:24:20,319 --> 00:24:21,440
Speaker 3: There's totally enough.

520
00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:24,599
Speaker 2: I mean leading into Avengers, that's that's one thing that's

521
00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:26,559
going to capture attention. But you have a Spider Man

522
00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:29,440
four and you got again, you drop that, Hey, we

523
00:24:29,519 --> 00:24:32,359
got next Spin movie officially coming out. We got another

524
00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:35,400
Thor because Chris Hemsworth, he still brings in a big

525
00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:39,279
crowd people like him as Thor. Uh. So I think

526
00:24:39,279 --> 00:24:41,319
that there's lots and lots of potential. Maybe you get

527
00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:43,680
another Guardians right the follow up to see what's going

528
00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:47,240
on there with with Chris Pratt right, because yes, or

529
00:24:47,279 --> 00:24:50,079
I guess the other actual Guardians team with Rocket and

530
00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:50,680
with h.

531
00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:53,079
Speaker 1: They need to be killed off. They need to be

532
00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:55,720
killed off. Absolutely, that team sucks. They need to be

533
00:24:55,759 --> 00:24:57,079
killed off Tuesday. And yeah, if you want to do

534
00:24:57,079 --> 00:24:59,880
a Chris Pratt with them with a new team. But

535
00:25:00,039 --> 00:25:03,119
I think Guardians is tricky with with no gun there.

536
00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:06,599
I think that's a tricky one. So the same things.

537
00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:09,000
You don't have those actors back, right, like Batista's not

538
00:25:09,039 --> 00:25:11,720
coming back. So Sumer Mike says, Sung She had the

539
00:25:11,759 --> 00:25:15,319
potentially a tier after the movie comes up, but Marvel's

540
00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:18,119
lack commitments stop that. I can agree for me. It's

541
00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:20,880
just tough because I've said this many times, like I

542
00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:23,920
really don't know because of COVID, right, It's that's the

543
00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:27,480
bad thing with Eternals, Black Widow, Sung Chi. We don't

544
00:25:27,519 --> 00:25:29,440
know how those movies really would have done in the

545
00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:31,440
normal world, and maybe Sung Chi and it still was

546
00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:33,240
the best of those COVID ones, So you could say

547
00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:36,039
that's the potential for them, right, that could be. Hey,

548
00:25:37,599 --> 00:25:40,400
this out of all the COVID movies that were new,

549
00:25:40,559 --> 00:25:43,519
Sung Chet's Let's Fall Up. I feel like they're gonna

550
00:25:43,519 --> 00:25:48,000
revisit that after Secret Wars, which is kind of funny

551
00:25:48,039 --> 00:25:49,799
because the end of Sung she remembers like the ten

552
00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:53,039
Rings will return, and I haven't seen them return or anything,

553
00:25:53,079 --> 00:25:56,720
but yeah, like I that could happen, but I think

554
00:25:56,759 --> 00:25:59,319
they make it a smaller budget one, but I think

555
00:25:59,319 --> 00:26:01,759
it's again they're going to go on. If you're a

556
00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:04,680
maybe five, you would disagree. But if you're a studio

557
00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:07,240
head and you got a board and you got that,

558
00:26:07,319 --> 00:26:09,559
you had Sung cheap, but then you got F four,

559
00:26:09,839 --> 00:26:14,720
Like even the sequels, right, X Men, Spider Man, Blade four,

560
00:26:15,079 --> 00:26:19,279
Black Panther, Doctor strange even to me, a new Guardians

561
00:26:19,319 --> 00:26:21,519
movie with a new team. I feel like people are like, ah, yeah,

562
00:26:21,599 --> 00:26:24,119
greenlight that before you do Sung Chi. That's my issue.

563
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:26,559
I just feel like Sung cheese down the total pole.

564
00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:29,319
Especially if we're in the era where they're doing four

565
00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:31,799
moves a year and they're all successful, then sure. But

566
00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:33,640
as we've talked about in this report, and we're gonna

567
00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:35,640
talk about another port coming up, we're not. We're not

568
00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:37,599
in that era anymore where they're just gonna start pumping

569
00:26:37,599 --> 00:26:39,480
stuff out. So I think that's where they're gonna be choosy,

570
00:26:39,519 --> 00:26:41,799
and I think Sung she might end up in like

571
00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:44,160
team up stuff more. Again, what we talked about before,

572
00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:46,359
he might be a part when they do. If they

573
00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:48,960
don't do a Captain in America five and an ant

574
00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:51,440
Man four song, she will be on the Avengers, but

575
00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:53,400
he'll just be an Avengers character now the Avengers, we

576
00:26:53,559 --> 00:26:55,480
will just be a team of characters now instead of

577
00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:58,559
a big crossover. So uh, Patrick Grog says Chris Patt

578
00:26:58,599 --> 00:27:00,000
won't be a part of the Guardians movie. He'll be

579
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:02,079
secret War So I agree, I don't think he will be.

580
00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:04,200
But you never know. Money does a lot of things.

581
00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:06,880
So let's take an ad break and then we'll be

582
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:09,039
right back with a few other Marvel news. So we'll

583
00:27:09,079 --> 00:27:14,480
be right back, and we are back, so let's talk

584
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:17,599
about this. I'm gonna put these two together. So Hawkeye

585
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:22,279
season two, Uh, we got some mixed stuff going on here.

586
00:27:23,079 --> 00:27:25,759
So this is not a room, not anything like that,

587
00:27:25,799 --> 00:27:27,920
a seat or anything like that. Jeremy Renner said that

588
00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:30,319
he was on deck to do season two, but then

589
00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:32,599
they offered him half when he got paid for season one,

590
00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:38,400
so that has, you know, subsequently stalled the show. But

591
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:40,680
then there's been rumors that they've talked about just going

592
00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:43,880
on without them. And then this is not like similar

593
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:45,480
to stuff we've been talking about tonight. But just want

594
00:27:45,519 --> 00:27:47,200
to bring in where there is a report that Vision

595
00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:49,400
is going to be the last show that's going to

596
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:53,720
feature a major like movie character in the future. This

597
00:27:53,839 --> 00:27:55,559
was something the previous report, but I kept to hear

598
00:27:55,599 --> 00:27:58,960
that they didn't say live action, but I'm assuming live action.

599
00:27:59,039 --> 00:28:01,079
That Marvel from now wants to keep it to only

600
00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:03,920
one to two Disney plus Marvel shows a year, and

601
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:07,359
they want to be secluded stories to something like Daredevil

602
00:28:07,519 --> 00:28:09,799
or even like Werewolf by Night stuff like that, and

603
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:13,279
they want to be smaller characters again. So what are

604
00:28:13,319 --> 00:28:15,759
your thoughts here in this Hawkeye business of Jeremy rennerd

605
00:28:15,799 --> 00:28:17,599
just out in the mouths and hey, I want to

606
00:28:17,599 --> 00:28:18,839
come back, but they offer me have And then what

607
00:28:18,839 --> 00:28:21,039
do you think about now? That sounds like the we're

608
00:28:21,039 --> 00:28:23,319
still gonna get shows, but it's gonna be a few

609
00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:25,839
and firm in between. And it sounds like they're gonna

610
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:27,839
you're not gonna get what we did before it was

611
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:31,759
like oh Loki and Cap and you know, uh Wanda.

612
00:28:31,839 --> 00:28:34,000
It sounds like Vision's gonna be the last of that

613
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:38,680
era of movie show like movie characters be on TV.

614
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:42,880
Speaker 2: I'm totally okay with them cutting back on the movie

615
00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:46,400
show or movie characters to the TV show characters and

616
00:28:46,839 --> 00:28:49,880
crossing those two worlds together. I'm okay with them cutting

617
00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:51,880
back on that. I don't need that to be as

618
00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:55,079
religious as it may as may have been in the past.

619
00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:59,519
Pick one and let that be the one that you

620
00:28:59,599 --> 00:29:04,359
the hell you die on. Uh Now, as for what

621
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:09,119
was the first half of that question, Yes, the Renner.

622
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:12,480
So I watched that interview and it was just interesting

623
00:29:12,519 --> 00:29:14,480
here because he was on the like a podcast or

624
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:16,559
something like that, and he was talking about it when

625
00:29:16,799 --> 00:29:20,039
he got the information, like, oh, they want to pay

626
00:29:20,079 --> 00:29:22,440
me half, and he just he takes a good shot

627
00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:25,119
at Disney when he's like, whatever, am I am, I

628
00:29:25,119 --> 00:29:26,440
I'm half a man, is what.

629
00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:27,319
Speaker 3: They're they're paying me for it.

630
00:29:27,599 --> 00:29:30,400
Speaker 2: But it's worth it to note how he how he

631
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:33,920
says this as well, it wasn't it's not like it's Disney, right,

632
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:38,759
It's it's it's people that are above like, yeah, exactly.

633
00:29:38,839 --> 00:29:41,319
So it's people that are above that again, the people

634
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:44,000
in suits, you know, the ones that are like investors

635
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:45,799
and stuff like that. They're the ones that are making

636
00:29:45,839 --> 00:29:48,119
those kind of shots. So it's not Marvel, it's not

637
00:29:48,839 --> 00:29:50,680
people that are on the team. It's not five gear

638
00:29:50,759 --> 00:29:54,440
or anything like that. But I hope that because of that,

639
00:29:54,559 --> 00:29:58,119
it if they wanted to bring in Clint as a

640
00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:01,640
character then I imagine that's because Figy sees it being

641
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:04,000
an important kind of trajectory for that character and how

642
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:07,319
to steer the overall narrative. And so if the investors

643
00:30:07,319 --> 00:30:08,839
are being asses.

644
00:30:08,799 --> 00:30:10,920
Speaker 3: About this and.

645
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:12,960
Speaker 2: Whatnot, then I hope fig can like look at it

646
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:14,599
and kind of address it. I'm not saying that they're

647
00:30:14,599 --> 00:30:18,880
gonna figure out a way to get uh, Jeremy Renner

648
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:21,559
back in, but I just think that it's it's interesting

649
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:24,920
that this had happened, and hopefully people that hold a

650
00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:28,359
lot of pole at Marvel can take that tiup to

651
00:30:28,599 --> 00:30:33,680
uh the upstairs and really hammer out some of the

652
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:36,240
stupidity of it, because I mean, he's he's a seasoned

653
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:39,079
he's an og Avengers member, and I get you know.

654
00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:42,039
Speaker 1: Unless they're not that bothered by it, unless they're like,

655
00:30:42,079 --> 00:30:45,480
all right, whatever, right, Like we we we talked about

656
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:49,279
it as like a romanticized like, oh, original Avenger, I'm

657
00:30:49,279 --> 00:30:51,599
sure five do you want that? But what if it's like, yeah,

658
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:54,240
we talked about money and Disney Plus and how they're

659
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:56,839
scaling back. What if they're like, Okay, if you're gonna

660
00:30:56,839 --> 00:30:58,960
do a Hawk Eye season two, you get it for

661
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:00,960
this much money and rented. It's like, hey, this is

662
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:03,359
what we got, Take her or leave it because they

663
00:31:03,759 --> 00:31:07,440
because like, imagine the money they don't pay him. They

664
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:10,400
just throw in the Seinfeld's contract. She's ready to be there.

665
00:31:10,799 --> 00:31:13,599
I think now, more than ever is the time to

666
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:18,079
strike with her after Sinners, because you talk about, like

667
00:31:18,799 --> 00:31:20,599
everyone if you've seen the movie, and if you haven't

668
00:31:20,599 --> 00:31:22,440
seen the movie, you used to know. There's a few

669
00:31:22,519 --> 00:31:25,640
explicit scenes that she has that have been I feel

670
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:29,480
like the algorithm on my Facebook and Twitter always pop

671
00:31:29,599 --> 00:31:33,279
up the conversation she has with Smokes, both at the

672
00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:35,880
dance and in the transitation about the thing she says.

673
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:38,559
And I feel like Haley Seinfeld in general is always

674
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:40,440
very popular, but I think this is the most popular

675
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:43,160
she's ever been. Is where he capitalized. So I'm not

676
00:31:43,279 --> 00:31:45,759
saying that, oh yeah, Kevin Fie, he was like all

677
00:31:45,799 --> 00:31:47,880
fuck him, because yeah, I could just be purely hey,

678
00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:50,839
this all we have to offer, and maybe he'll be

679
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:52,799
one of these Vengers movies. But at the same time,

680
00:31:52,839 --> 00:31:55,720
that would be a let's say, there was a conspiracy

681
00:31:55,759 --> 00:31:57,839
theory in my mind if they didn't want to really

682
00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:00,279
have rented, like they weren't bothered by it. What's the

683
00:32:00,319 --> 00:32:02,559
easiest way. Well, it is all from half, you know,

684
00:32:02,759 --> 00:32:04,720
like because then it's like, well, if he says yes,

685
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:06,119
then we get him for a reduced amount. If he

686
00:32:06,119 --> 00:32:09,000
says no, then whatever, we move along. And that's the

687
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:10,920
same thing. We don't know because he didn't say his interview.

688
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:13,079
We don't know when this happened, right, so this coulda

689
00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:15,720
happened a while back go and now it may just

690
00:32:15,759 --> 00:32:18,240
be dead in general, or maybe it's a situation where

691
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:20,319
maybe he was like contracted. But that's what they're doing,

692
00:32:20,359 --> 00:32:23,519
where okay, this we're gonna pay you, and like if Visions,

693
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:26,680
like does that count if to me? If like Vision's

694
00:32:26,759 --> 00:32:29,680
the last show, we'll like we're talking about the stories together.

695
00:32:30,279 --> 00:32:32,319
It's like, well then if didn't they do Hawk. If

696
00:32:32,359 --> 00:32:34,960
they did Hawk Eye was season two with Renner, that

697
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:37,839
would be another major movie character in a sense, right,

698
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:41,039
doing that show again where Steinfeld's not she's not. I

699
00:32:41,039 --> 00:32:43,240
guess she's in one movie, right, she's in the Marvels

700
00:32:43,279 --> 00:32:45,000
for an end credit, but like she's not a major

701
00:32:45,039 --> 00:32:48,839
movie character yet, So I don't know, I think it fits.

702
00:32:48,839 --> 00:32:51,359
But I also, as much as I love I'm somebody

703
00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:54,279
likes Clint Barn a lot more than other people, both

704
00:32:54,319 --> 00:32:56,960
in comics of the movies. I do want him to

705
00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:59,039
come back. I like that idea of the Raid storyline

706
00:32:59,079 --> 00:33:00,839
they were pitching. But if you also were tell me, hey,

707
00:33:00,839 --> 00:33:03,279
we're gonna do Hawkeye season two, it's just Haley Seinfeld,

708
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:06,279
I'll still be relatively excited for that because I like

709
00:33:06,319 --> 00:33:08,240
her as actress and I could see the potential there.

710
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:12,000
So we'll see. But I think it's gonna be the

711
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:13,559
next few years is gonna be. And again, I think

712
00:33:13,559 --> 00:33:16,839
you can tell Hailey Seinfeld Kate Bishop's story that is

713
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:19,119
just secluded by itself. But then also i'd like to

714
00:33:19,119 --> 00:33:21,440
see in the movies, so I don't know. And then

715
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:23,359
with Vision, Yeah, to me, it just makes sense. It's

716
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:26,279
kind of it's something where we're gonna find out next

717
00:33:26,359 --> 00:33:29,240
year with Manuelin and Grogu. But I had made that

718
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:32,920
comparison where even with the shows we talked about other

719
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:34,920
than Moonnight, it seemed like all the shows that did

720
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:36,880
well in Disney Plus were the people that came from

721
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:39,240
the movies, because it's people that have established brand. But

722
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:42,440
we talk about like the Marvels, I don't think Miss

723
00:33:42,559 --> 00:33:49,240
Marvel or Rambo really helped that movie, right, the Thunderbolts,

724
00:33:49,279 --> 00:33:53,119
like other than Ghosts, I guess it's a mix, right,

725
00:33:53,119 --> 00:33:57,039
But like John Walker, that's a Disney Plus character. There's

726
00:33:57,039 --> 00:33:58,880
a couple of other Disney Plus characters there where I think,

727
00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:01,440
like people just they know them now, but they didn't

728
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:02,920
know them back then, if they didn't check them out

729
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:04,680
and they missed it, or that show didn't interest them

730
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:07,200
at all. So I think it makes sense. I think

731
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:10,119
it's smart to keep them separate. I think it's kind

732
00:34:10,119 --> 00:34:12,159
of like, if you want to see these people, you

733
00:34:12,159 --> 00:34:13,679
have to pay for them. And that's why what I

734
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:15,440
was referring to is that's why I'm so interested to

735
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:17,960
see how Manlearn Grogu does next year, because I wonder

736
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:20,840
if even for Star Wars, if people feel, oh, I

737
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:23,320
can watch Grogu at home. I got three seasons of Grogu.

738
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:26,039
I don't why do I need to go pay, especially

739
00:34:26,079 --> 00:34:28,679
because like the rumor is, that was just that was

740
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:30,679
Manualari in season four and they just turned into movie

741
00:34:30,679 --> 00:34:33,880
like Majana and difference to prefer me with Mwana ism Wana.

742
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:35,880
There was only one Majana and then you got a

743
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:38,800
sequel movie. There's lots of manual learn and grogu Right,

744
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:44,159
so let's see uh, pat Patrick says uh, or Patrick

745
00:34:44,199 --> 00:34:47,800
says frankly, Hawkeye had been the least impactful Avengers of

746
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:51,920
the original six. I guess it depends like in meaning

747
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:55,639
like overall world. Then yeah, sure, story wise, I can't

748
00:34:55,679 --> 00:34:58,159
agree with that because like, I'm more connected to Clint

749
00:34:58,159 --> 00:35:01,239
Barton than Natasha, and that's it's not Scargill's fault. That's

750
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:04,280
the way the movie is, Like, I don't think Scargial

751
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:06,920
got anything. And again it's the way the character's written.

752
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:10,199
The endgame opening when Clint's hanging out with his family

753
00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:12,679
and they go missing. We never got anything as good

754
00:35:12,639 --> 00:35:16,320
as that with Natasha in my opinion, right, even hits

755
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:19,159
like to me, you look at the subplot in Age

756
00:35:19,199 --> 00:35:24,559
of Ultron. His subplot is with the twins and getting

757
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:27,320
Scarlet Witch to become an Avenger and talking about like

758
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:29,440
how bad things can be. Or at the end that

759
00:35:29,519 --> 00:35:32,679
mission when he lays down and he's beside dead Quicksilver

760
00:35:33,199 --> 00:35:35,639
and it's just such a sad, depressing thing where it's like,

761
00:35:36,159 --> 00:35:38,119
for like a minute's kind of like his proge where

762
00:35:38,119 --> 00:35:42,159
like what's Black Widow's Storylineuage of Ultron's like, well, I'm

763
00:35:42,199 --> 00:35:45,000
a monster too. I can't have kids. It's like yeah,

764
00:35:45,039 --> 00:35:47,880
all right, Like again, that's not an attachable So for me,

765
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:49,679
I'd have to disagree as far as like what I

766
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:53,079
agree importance wise, right, importance wise and Overhall Universe. Yeah,

767
00:35:53,119 --> 00:35:55,880
black widow because she fucking sacrificed herself with Soulstone. But

768
00:35:56,079 --> 00:35:58,519
uh yeah, we'll see. I think it's smart to keep

769
00:35:58,639 --> 00:36:01,599
movie characters on movie. And the only thing that sucks

770
00:36:01,639 --> 00:36:04,480
for me now is man I said listen to the discord.

771
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:08,440
It just feels like we're back to where we started.

772
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:10,239
Like when we start this podcast, it's funny like we

773
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:11,960
had like shows and then we had the Marvel shows

774
00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:16,800
that were pretty separate by themselves. And then as things

775
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:18,199
going on, it's like, oh, we're gonna do the streaming

776
00:36:18,199 --> 00:36:21,280
shows and everything's gonna be connected yet, and oh, we're

777
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:23,199
gonna have so much on streaming, And now it's like, oh,

778
00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:25,719
companies are pulling back on streaming and making sure things

779
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:28,440
theatrical like a Mwanatu or man Lore and Grogul right,

780
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:30,519
and now it's like, well, we're gonna get back to

781
00:36:30,559 --> 00:36:32,760
doing TV shows, but they're gonna be smaller budget and

782
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:35,320
they're not really gonna be connected to the main overall story,

783
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:39,000
like just like Jessica Jones, just like Daredevil. So my

784
00:36:39,159 --> 00:36:42,360
only sadness of this is, Man, I'm gonna be really

785
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:45,440
bummed if Charlie Cox finally got to MCU he's on

786
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:47,519
Disney Plus, and if because they're doing this whole like

787
00:36:47,559 --> 00:36:49,639
well we want TV shows the movies to be separate.

788
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:51,760
If he never ends up in the movies, man, what

789
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:54,280
a bummer. Like both times this guy just fucking misses

790
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:56,119
out and like teaming up with people, you know, like

791
00:36:56,119 --> 00:36:59,079
throw them a boon may gonna be a venger. So

792
00:36:59,559 --> 00:37:02,920
and then our last stories for the night here just

793
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:04,480
a combo of mixing of news.

794
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:04,840
Speaker 3: Uh.

795
00:37:05,039 --> 00:37:07,599
Speaker 1: So we got some john Wick updates so which I'm

796
00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:10,519
very very excited by this because I was somebody said like,

797
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:14,519
sure the k movie is what'll, I'll watch it. But

798
00:37:14,559 --> 00:37:18,079
what I really wanted was I think her name is Akira,

799
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:21,360
I can't remember if it is, but the girl that

800
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:24,199
was in john Wick four who was like the daughter

801
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:27,119
of the guy from Showgun and then she killed him.

802
00:37:27,119 --> 00:37:28,280
There's an end credit. You remember that.

803
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:29,679
Speaker 3: Girl, right, Yeah?

804
00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:32,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, So she's confirmed for the Cane spin off. Uh,

805
00:37:33,039 --> 00:37:36,679
there's a john Wick five update. The director said the

806
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:40,079
song of John Wick was pretty wrapped, So the only

807
00:37:40,119 --> 00:37:42,000
way to do five is is if you have a

808
00:37:42,039 --> 00:37:45,400
new story then involves John Wick. It's not a continuation

809
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:49,320
with the High Table John Devil's Grief. It really it

810
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:51,840
will be really different. Everybody will see that the trailer

811
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:55,639
and go, holy fuck, I gotta see that. Those are

812
00:37:55,639 --> 00:37:58,960
the two john wake updates. And then Clay Face has

813
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:01,480
a new writer. I don't think you've much more say

814
00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:03,239
on that. That's more for me just to rant off

815
00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:05,679
here in a second because I'm a big Mike Flanagan fan.

816
00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:08,639
But what do you think about these uh these John

817
00:38:08,679 --> 00:38:10,559
Wait happy shoes in Kane? And now, what do you

818
00:38:10,599 --> 00:38:12,159
think about john Wick five? Do you think they're gonna

819
00:38:12,159 --> 00:38:14,559
be able to get you to just say, holy fuck,

820
00:38:14,599 --> 00:38:15,400
I gotta see that.

821
00:38:16,199 --> 00:38:19,719
Speaker 2: I think that john Wick four had a fantastic ending

822
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:20,800
and pushing it.

823
00:38:21,639 --> 00:38:22,039
Speaker 3: I don't know.

824
00:38:22,079 --> 00:38:24,280
Speaker 2: I don't know what they're gonna do, but you know,

825
00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:25,800
money speaks and they want.

826
00:38:25,599 --> 00:38:26,519
Speaker 3: To keep on going.

827
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:29,760
Speaker 2: I am intrigued to see what they're gonna do. But

828
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:32,679
I think that the daughter of the of the I

829
00:38:32,679 --> 00:38:36,760
think it was the Japanese hotel.

830
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:38,320
Speaker 3: That the it was like sanctuary.

831
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:40,400
Speaker 2: I can't remember all the terms or whatnot, but I

832
00:38:40,559 --> 00:38:42,840
really I'm glad that we're gonna get to see a

833
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:47,039
follow up with that daughter and and Kane, especially just

834
00:38:47,039 --> 00:38:49,679
with the way that they left things in the the

835
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:52,159
end of the previous movie, just setting it up. So

836
00:38:52,159 --> 00:38:54,239
I'm so happy that we're gonna get the follow up

837
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:56,719
to that because there's there's a lot that needs to

838
00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:58,079
be explored.

839
00:38:58,639 --> 00:39:00,880
Speaker 1: Do you think we're gonna have a movie because he

840
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:03,280
was the antagonist the last one had some modes but

841
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:05,480
not that he's a good guy, but like Partner with Wick,

842
00:39:05,559 --> 00:39:08,119
they had a respect. Do we get in the moment

843
00:39:08,159 --> 00:39:11,760
the movie where the you know him, the killer of

844
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:15,480
this woman's dad, that they team up and work together somehow?

845
00:39:15,599 --> 00:39:17,480
Or do you think we have a movie where the

846
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:20,679
protagonist is being hunted by somebody that we should be

847
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:22,320
kind of cheering for, right, Because most of the time

848
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:24,760
it's like, well, you know, root for you know, the

849
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:26,199
bad guy to get the good guy, but in this

850
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:29,679
situation kind of would be because this Donian killed her father, right,

851
00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:31,239
so it's like, oh, we shouldn't be cheering for him.

852
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:33,079
So do you think they end up working together or

853
00:39:33,079 --> 00:39:35,039
do you think it's some weird way where it is. Yeah,

854
00:39:35,079 --> 00:39:37,719
our protagonist is a bad guy that has to get

855
00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:38,239
taken down.

856
00:39:39,079 --> 00:39:40,719
Speaker 3: Oh, they're gonna work together for sure.

857
00:39:41,159 --> 00:39:41,360
Speaker 1: Yeah.

858
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:43,519
Speaker 3: I think it's just it makes sense.

859
00:39:43,559 --> 00:39:47,119
Speaker 2: It's the next natural step for things, even though it's

860
00:39:48,199 --> 00:39:51,000
even though it's it's uh, it's.

861
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:52,880
Speaker 3: Not alluded to or set up that way.

862
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:55,880
Speaker 2: I think that something will happen, you know, not not

863
00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:58,920
the Continental, but it could be the what do you

864
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:00,159
call it, the Agency?

865
00:40:00,679 --> 00:40:03,800
Speaker 3: Whatever it is, like, oh, you guys didn't do this right.

866
00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:05,559
Speaker 2: So we're gonna come after you and they gotta team

867
00:40:05,639 --> 00:40:07,639
up John Wick style or something like that.

868
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:10,199
Speaker 1: So how do you feel about this? Because I've seen

869
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:13,159
people pitch just before. If we get John Wick.

870
00:40:13,039 --> 00:40:16,639
Speaker 2: And hell no killing demons and stuff, I don't need

871
00:40:16,639 --> 00:40:18,880
it to be paranormal. He's the Baba Yaga and the

872
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:21,480
physical realm. I don't need the Baba Yaga and the

873
00:40:21,519 --> 00:40:22,800
spiritual realm.

874
00:40:25,559 --> 00:40:29,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm I'm torn Cuz, don't get me wrong. If

875
00:40:29,559 --> 00:40:31,519
that was the trailer, that is like I don't know

876
00:40:31,559 --> 00:40:33,480
if I'm like excited, but it is like, Okay, what

877
00:40:33,519 --> 00:40:35,039
the fuck are they doing here. I gotta see this

878
00:40:35,159 --> 00:40:38,000
right Like that is like, this is something different. I

879
00:40:38,079 --> 00:40:39,760
just don't. I feel like that for me is like

880
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:44,519
a a comic or animation movie I would enjoy more

881
00:40:44,559 --> 00:40:47,440
than like the live action and don't get wrong, let's

882
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:50,199
see it. That's a wild, wacky way to go. But

883
00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:53,079
at the same day, it's so like, well, I guess

884
00:40:53,079 --> 00:40:55,199
he did die. He just went to Hell, And that's like,

885
00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:59,039
I don't know. They're like I'd have to definitely see

886
00:40:59,039 --> 00:41:02,239
the trailer and go from there. Because my complain about

887
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:04,920
this has been, Hey, if he's alive, that hurts Sean

888
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:07,960
Wick four. So I guess in the movie in John

889
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:09,880
Wick five, if he is dead and it's him like

890
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:12,039
battling Hell, it's like, well, I guess he is dead.

891
00:41:12,079 --> 00:41:15,400
I just wouldn't have come back alive. But yeah, we'll see.

892
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:17,320
I think Tayla is right about with the Cane spin off,

893
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:19,159
the likely team up, but I hope I'm wrong, or

894
00:41:19,199 --> 00:41:21,360
I hope they team up that she fucking kills in

895
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:24,039
the end. The movie I wanted was her movie Hunting

896
00:41:24,199 --> 00:41:26,760
Down Kane. Now, obviously it's different because Kane was more

897
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:28,559
popular character. He's directing this, so he has to be

898
00:41:28,599 --> 00:41:30,840
the main character. But I want him to eat it.

899
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:33,159
I want her to kill him. I want the revenge.

900
00:41:33,159 --> 00:41:34,760
So I hope it is. I hope they do something

901
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:37,639
bold where our protagonist is the bad guy and the

902
00:41:37,679 --> 00:41:40,440
antagonist is the good guy hunting them down. So we'll

903
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:44,159
see and then Taylor, you can respond after I rant

904
00:41:44,159 --> 00:41:45,599
for just a second and then we're down on this

905
00:41:45,639 --> 00:41:49,599
episode here. But so Mike Flannagan and this will come

906
00:41:49,639 --> 00:41:52,079
with some bias because like, I'm a big fan of

907
00:41:52,119 --> 00:41:56,000
Mike Flanning again, love Haunting Hillhouse, Midnight Mass It's just

908
00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:58,400
fucking one of the best horror things ever. And then

909
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:00,800
he has a litany of other good things. Doctor Sleep

910
00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:04,159
is fantastic. I'm excited for his Carry series, and I'm

911
00:42:04,199 --> 00:42:08,079
excited for uh god, there's another one he's doing. But anyway,

912
00:42:08,119 --> 00:42:11,320
so last year at some point we heard his rumor.

913
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:13,920
Then whatever, it's been official, right that, Okay, they're doing

914
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:17,119
a clay Face movie. And I always said before, not

915
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:19,480
really a fan of this, because don't get me wrong,

916
00:42:19,599 --> 00:42:24,480
I trust James Gone way more than these Sony Marvel movies. Right,

917
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:28,239
But it's that sense of and I get it. They

918
00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:30,039
got the whole mess with the Batman and they don't

919
00:42:30,039 --> 00:42:31,880
know what they're doing their Batman. But I don't want

920
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:33,840
to be in a world where I meet clay Face

921
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:36,320
before we meet Batman, the same way we met Morbius

922
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:38,000
and Venom and Man and Webb before he met that

923
00:42:38,039 --> 00:42:40,679
Spider Man. And guess what, we never met that Spider Man,

924
00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:43,679
So fuck us, right, But I don't want that. I'm

925
00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:46,320
all for Batman fights clay Face and then we get

926
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:47,880
that movie. That's more of the route that I'd like

927
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:50,119
to go. Just call me old fashion, right, But I

928
00:42:50,199 --> 00:42:53,079
was always like, okay, even though he can't direct, which

929
00:42:53,119 --> 00:42:55,280
was a bummer because he's busy with stuff. Even though

930
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:58,920
he can't direct, I am excited because Mike Flannagan one

931
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:02,199
of the best directors for current directors for what I like.

932
00:43:02,519 --> 00:43:05,599
He's my top ten for favorites right now. And he

933
00:43:05,639 --> 00:43:07,400
wrote the script and he'd been working on it for

934
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:09,480
a while, because there's rumors of this last year or

935
00:43:09,519 --> 00:43:13,480
like two years ago, like twenty twenty four, so you've

936
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:16,159
been working on this, and then they greenlit and they said, Okay,

937
00:43:16,159 --> 00:43:17,840
it's gonna be a horror movie. It's gonna be you know,

938
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:20,000
like in the vein of the substance actor taking this thing,

939
00:43:20,079 --> 00:43:23,000
trying to get better, yet to da improve his career.

940
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:27,039
It's shooting October first. Now this is bouncing off last.

941
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:30,039
We can think if he was last week. Yeah, me

942
00:43:30,079 --> 00:43:32,280
and Dylan talked about how Sergent Rock was supposed to

943
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:36,920
be filming, and they depends what scuop re asks. Some

944
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:39,079
people say it's canceled, some people say it's pushed back.

945
00:43:39,119 --> 00:43:42,199
Either way. Issues with that, right, And now there's this

946
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:45,400
where you go, Okay, there is going to be a

947
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:49,119
rewrite on the script. Now for me, here's the thing.

948
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:52,360
Rewrites happen all the time in Hollywood. I get it.

949
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:55,800
I think it's difficult for me because the pitch of

950
00:43:56,079 --> 00:43:59,519
everything against me or everything for this film was against

951
00:43:59,559 --> 00:44:01,800
my fire were wanting it. But it's okay. This guy

952
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:04,239
that I really like, and many others like he wrote

953
00:44:04,519 --> 00:44:06,480
the draft, he wrote the screenplay, not draft he wrote,

954
00:44:06,599 --> 00:44:08,400
or at least the first draft. He wrote that. So

955
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:11,199
here we go, So say, okay, he's re it's getting

956
00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:13,480
rewrote in, which sucks. And here's the two things that

957
00:44:13,639 --> 00:44:17,000
just make me pause. And here's two quotes from James

958
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:21,079
gunn H. This was a question someone says, is this

959
00:44:21,199 --> 00:44:23,280
was like months ago. Right, is clay Face officially the

960
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:27,599
third DCU film? Why didn't you choose more prominent characters

961
00:44:27,639 --> 00:44:30,239
like the Flash or wonder on? Fuck? Just I love this,

962
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:33,039
but here's fun because the number one rule here at

963
00:44:33,159 --> 00:44:35,840
dc no movie will get the green light before the

964
00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:40,480
script is ready. Okay, let's start there. I'm not on

965
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:43,719
some fucking like James gun witch Hunt, right, I want.

966
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:47,159
I like all Guardian's films. I gave it ten. I

967
00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:50,239
like The Suicide Squad. I like James Gunn. It seems

968
00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:52,559
like he seems like a cool guy that I love

969
00:44:52,559 --> 00:44:54,679
to hang out and talk movies with, like shoot the

970
00:44:54,679 --> 00:44:56,880
shit with. I have no personal prompts. It's just like

971
00:44:56,960 --> 00:44:58,840
things that I still gotta call it right. Say, we

972
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:01,639
talked about a couple of months ago of like, oh

973
00:45:01,679 --> 00:45:04,000
he never yet when it first came out that there

974
00:45:04,039 --> 00:45:05,599
was a Batman, he said, oh, I never thought about

975
00:45:05,639 --> 00:45:08,000
Robert Passen being the Batman like in our universe, and

976
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:10,239
then like jump to your lay He's like, well, you know,

977
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:12,480
we considered it. So it's like, okay, that's odd, right,

978
00:45:12,519 --> 00:45:16,440
and I don't know if it's and people can change

979
00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:18,079
their mind, right, But it's just like I think with

980
00:45:18,159 --> 00:45:20,119
James Gunn, he just says things in such like a

981
00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:22,880
direct statement way where it's like this is it, and

982
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:25,280
this is why maybe he should stay off social media.

983
00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:27,599
It was great to start with to clarify, but this

984
00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:30,159
idea of and he said this before, and I think

985
00:45:30,159 --> 00:45:33,639
that's a great policy because we talked about Marvel other stuff.

986
00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:36,199
We're not gonna give anything green light to the scripts ready,

987
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:39,360
and that's what the situation. They get the script from

988
00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:43,000
Mike Flann again, yeah, Clay Face green light go, but

989
00:45:43,039 --> 00:45:46,119
now it's getting rewrote. So if the script wasn't ready,

990
00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:48,920
why to get green light? In his own words, no

991
00:45:49,199 --> 00:45:52,159
movie will be green lid before the script is ready.

992
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:55,880
To me. If you're rewriting the script, it is not ready.

993
00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:59,079
There is like there's a reason, Like I like even

994
00:45:59,079 --> 00:46:02,039
when my script they show the guys like there's like

995
00:46:02,079 --> 00:46:03,719
I don't show them to like I feel like it's

996
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:06,280
fully ready to go. Like for the most part, right,

997
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:09,000
I don't get all the time to edit some spelling

998
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:10,840
hairs that I would like to because sometimes we're like

999
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:12,639
we gotta we got a cabin, we gotta shoot this

1000
00:46:12,719 --> 00:46:14,519
right now. But until the script is ready, I'll give

1001
00:46:14,559 --> 00:46:17,280
them general ideas, but like, no, I'm gonna wait. So

1002
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:20,039
that that's one where it's just like already that seems

1003
00:46:20,079 --> 00:46:22,239
little if same thing with Sergeant Rock that was green

1004
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:24,400
like gonna shoot and then now it's the later canceled, right,

1005
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:27,199
And then this was what he had said about this.

1006
00:46:28,679 --> 00:46:31,400
He said, this is a different quote to Hollywood Reporter.

1007
00:46:31,559 --> 00:46:34,639
We had no plans of making a clay Face movie,

1008
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:38,199
but Mike Flanagan turned in a script. It's one of

1009
00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:41,880
the best scripts that we've read. Now, that's great. I

1010
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:44,320
love that. I love that idea. Same thing. I don't

1011
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:45,920
think we need a clay Face movie. I don't know

1012
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:48,199
if that's a smart thing of you starting the DCU

1013
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:51,840
of let's do it like in your first batch, your

1014
00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:55,119
first phase or whatever, right chapter they call it Gods

1015
00:46:55,159 --> 00:46:58,360
and Monsters, Let's do clay Face, all right, not what

1016
00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:01,079
I would have picked, but fine, because you know why,

1017
00:47:01,119 --> 00:47:03,840
I from Simla James Gunn and he's like, it's one

1018
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:06,480
of the best scripts I ever read. Okay, I'm completely

1019
00:47:06,519 --> 00:47:08,239
confident in you. You told me some of the best

1020
00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:11,000
scripts you've read, go make that movie, go green light it.

1021
00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:15,519
But now one of the best scripts he's ever read.

1022
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:20,119
Let's again Rewrotin. Either I take that as this is

1023
00:47:20,159 --> 00:47:24,800
a man that's constantly changes his mind or and not

1024
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:26,719
in a way that I care, but he's just like,

1025
00:47:29,519 --> 00:47:32,760
I don't like this sounds harsh like or he's just

1026
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:34,320
a fucking liar, And I don't want to make it

1027
00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:36,079
selling that because I feel like that's a reserved for

1028
00:47:36,119 --> 00:47:38,039
people that's like the current present right now. It's not that.

1029
00:47:38,079 --> 00:47:39,920
But it's just like, if Taylor had to come to me,

1030
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:42,760
and let's say he's working on this, like I'm trying

1031
00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:45,480
to think of something he would if let's say he

1032
00:47:45,519 --> 00:47:47,599
because he's a graphic designer his day job. Let's say

1033
00:47:47,599 --> 00:47:49,920
Cane to me, right, and I said, Hey, Taylor, I

1034
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:53,199
need a poster for use adrenochrome, right imagine of Taylor

1035
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:55,440
and I love the posts. There's multiples, we have other

1036
00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:57,239
ones come in the future. It's gonna be great stuff.

1037
00:47:57,440 --> 00:47:59,719
But for that first post, right, and Terry Kane to me,

1038
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:03,199
and let's say, uh, Kirklan made me some posters, still

1039
00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:05,760
made me some posters. You know, Kyle went on fucking

1040
00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:09,039
paint and gave me a poster. And Taylor brings me

1041
00:48:09,079 --> 00:48:12,480
a poster, and I go, man Tylor for a dremoch rome.

1042
00:48:12,599 --> 00:48:13,920
This is one of the best poster I ever seen.

1043
00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:17,119
Can't wait to use this. And then like, and Mike

1044
00:48:17,159 --> 00:48:19,719
Claningkin doesn't probably care. Maybe he does, he probably does,

1045
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:22,360
but like he got paid. He's fine. But like, then

1046
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:25,360
imagine if and I tell my fans, I go on

1047
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:28,960
geek first, patron tellyone, Hey, this poster. Wait until you

1048
00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:31,920
see it. It's the best poster I've ever seen. And

1049
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:35,840
then I go and hire someone to make a new poster,

1050
00:48:36,159 --> 00:48:39,239
or at least okay, you see this poster that Taylor

1051
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:43,000
Field did, can you like change a bunch of stuff? Now? Again,

1052
00:48:43,199 --> 00:48:45,320
I don't know, we don't know what's going on. Maybe

1053
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:49,119
there's a situation where Batman wasn't in Flanmagain's script. And

1054
00:48:49,159 --> 00:48:51,360
because the Batman two's the lads they go, you know what,

1055
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:53,840
we do want Batman the script. There's tons of stuff

1056
00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:56,280
that I will try and give them the benefit of doubt.

1057
00:48:56,519 --> 00:48:59,039
It's just that this stuff continually happens. And for me,

1058
00:48:59,079 --> 00:49:01,000
this one hurt because this is like a one that

1059
00:49:01,039 --> 00:49:03,000
I was looking very forward to. But just for me,

1060
00:49:03,039 --> 00:49:06,400
it's it's weird. This is where he just like should

1061
00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:09,360
start stop talking in absolutes because the general audience they

1062
00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:12,480
don't give a fuck about Clayface or Mike Flanagan. They're

1063
00:49:12,519 --> 00:49:15,840
not gonna care. They're gonna wait till next Halloween and

1064
00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:18,000
when this mud Monster movie comes out if they want

1065
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:20,159
to see it or not cool, they're not gonna care about.

1066
00:49:20,199 --> 00:49:22,039
So when he's making these statements about like one of

1067
00:49:22,079 --> 00:49:24,480
the best scripts I ever read, that is for us,

1068
00:49:24,519 --> 00:49:27,000
Taylor or other fans that listen to this podcast or

1069
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:29,400
watch or in the sphere right off, like we care,

1070
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:32,480
So to stop, like I think, like stoking those fires.

1071
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:35,079
I just feel like, just don't say that stuff until

1072
00:49:35,079 --> 00:49:37,920
it's like it's made. Like let's say, Clay Faces come

1073
00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:40,800
out October twenty twenty six, and it's like, yeah, this

1074
00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:42,280
is one of the best scripts we ever read and

1075
00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:43,840
it's out in a month or two. I can't wait

1076
00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:46,039
for you to see it. It just feels odd for

1077
00:49:46,119 --> 00:49:48,280
him to say, hey, we're not green lighting anything until

1078
00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:50,920
script's done, and now it's getting rewritten, and hey, this

1079
00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:53,199
is one of the best scripts we've ever read. Well,

1080
00:49:53,239 --> 00:49:55,639
we're gonna get rewrit Like to me, like when I

1081
00:49:55,639 --> 00:49:57,840
got the drenkquone proster like the one we use for

1082
00:49:57,960 --> 00:50:00,400
that's on like letterbox whatnot. I was very happy with it,

1083
00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:02,000
and I was like, you know what, I need to

1084
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:04,119
go get a second opinion and get this remain so

1085
00:50:04,159 --> 00:50:05,800
it just like I said, I don't know when you

1086
00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:09,360
have to add this, but it just feels it just

1087
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:11,320
feels like something is off. And when I hate about

1088
00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:14,880
from what happened last week to this. And I'll give

1089
00:50:15,599 --> 00:50:17,599
him credit, Stephen Colbert had this sweet that I love

1090
00:50:17,639 --> 00:50:21,800
where you remember in a Watchman where there's Doctor Manhattan

1091
00:50:21,880 --> 00:50:24,599
and he's on the He's on Mars, and it's that

1092
00:50:24,679 --> 00:50:27,400
meanings like his machine. Yeah, but it's always the meme

1093
00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:29,800
of like I'm here in nineteen ninety four and this

1094
00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:31,440
is happening. I'm here in two thousand and four and

1095
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:33,639
this is happening, and that's just what it feels like.

1096
00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:36,880
We're in August, coming on ten years and it just

1097
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:39,039
feels like again where James Gnn was supposed to be like, hey,

1098
00:50:39,079 --> 00:50:41,159
this is the shining light. This is something I'm not saying.

1099
00:50:41,199 --> 00:50:43,920
It's anywhere near the problems we had before, especially the

1100
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:45,920
zach Snyer air right where they just fucking took This

1101
00:50:45,960 --> 00:50:48,760
guy's Tom Whitdale. This stuff like hopefully not but it's

1102
00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:51,039
just like and Marvel. Look, we just thought about Marrow.

1103
00:50:51,119 --> 00:50:53,519
They've had tons of problems too lately, right but like

1104
00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:55,840
with DC, they've just never had a smooth patch And

1105
00:50:55,840 --> 00:50:57,800
I was hoping that was this and it's just like again,

1106
00:50:57,880 --> 00:51:02,280
it's like last week, this fucking project canceled or delayed. Okay,

1107
00:51:02,679 --> 00:51:04,800
this week best script I've ever read, one of the

1108
00:51:04,840 --> 00:51:07,119
best script I read. But we're gonna get rewritten. It

1109
00:51:07,159 --> 00:51:10,559
just feels like again, it's just here we are, twenty

1110
00:51:10,639 --> 00:51:13,960
twenty five May talking about like DC. It's like, what's

1111
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:15,360
going on here? So I don't know what do you

1112
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:17,599
have to take from anything if you think this overreact

1113
00:51:17,679 --> 00:51:19,679
for me or what you think about this stuff. But yeah,

1114
00:51:19,719 --> 00:51:23,199
long story short is Clayface has a script. It's getting

1115
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:24,400
rewritten currently.

1116
00:51:26,159 --> 00:51:28,840
Speaker 3: Oh my goodness. Yeah.

1117
00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:31,239
Speaker 2: I thought things were kind of more cemented in Stone

1118
00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:32,719
when I came to this clay Face project.

1119
00:51:32,719 --> 00:51:34,039
Speaker 3: I thought things for a little bit.

1120
00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:36,119
Speaker 1: More best one of the best group is I read

1121
00:51:36,119 --> 00:51:37,039
to you would think that.

1122
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:38,079
Speaker 3: Yeah, you think that?

1123
00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:41,800
Speaker 2: So, I mean the only Clayface that I've again seen

1124
00:51:41,960 --> 00:51:44,519
so far and under this new umbrella is the one

1125
00:51:44,559 --> 00:51:49,920
from Creature Commandos. So I don't know, maybe maybe the

1126
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:51,679
powers to be You're looking at that and like, yeah,

1127
00:51:51,719 --> 00:51:53,280
we want the clay Face to be more like that

1128
00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:56,159
and not what is written in these these scripts, which

1129
00:51:56,159 --> 00:51:58,519
would be a very very bad mistake. It should be

1130
00:51:58,519 --> 00:52:04,360
the other way around. Yeah, I don't think that this

1131
00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:08,000
is as problematic as other other things are. You know,

1132
00:52:08,039 --> 00:52:10,000
with the script being written, is it a problem, yes,

1133
00:52:10,079 --> 00:52:14,440
but it's not for longevity's sake, problematic in comparison to

1134
00:52:14,599 --> 00:52:18,239
other projects have been canceled and whatnot, like the Trench movie.

1135
00:52:18,840 --> 00:52:20,880
You remember that one ages ago.

1136
00:52:21,159 --> 00:52:22,920
Speaker 1: The Trench. Yeah, I was supposed to be a trench

1137
00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:24,639
slash black Man to movie.

1138
00:52:24,519 --> 00:52:25,800
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1139
00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:29,280
Speaker 2: So at the end of the day, I I think

1140
00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:34,039
that they can make a few loss losses right now,

1141
00:52:34,159 --> 00:52:36,400
they can take a few hits because of it's still

1142
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:39,039
being so early on and we haven't even had like

1143
00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:42,480
have we had their first theatrical one Superman.

1144
00:52:42,719 --> 00:52:43,280
Speaker 3: That's Superman.

1145
00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:46,519
Speaker 1: Yes, that's the real that's the real test. M h.

1146
00:52:46,920 --> 00:52:49,719
Speaker 3: So we got we got time, we got time. And

1147
00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:51,519
I don't know, maybe.

1148
00:52:53,320 --> 00:52:55,239
Speaker 2: They say that they're rewriting the scripts, but maybe it

1149
00:52:55,239 --> 00:52:56,679
could just be like, all right, in the long run,

1150
00:52:56,719 --> 00:52:58,840
let's just wait and see how Superman does, just to

1151
00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:01,440
kind of gauge have been more more before we sink

1152
00:53:01,480 --> 00:53:03,519
some more money into this project and we get the

1153
00:53:03,519 --> 00:53:06,199
ball really really rolling, because clay Face is one of

1154
00:53:06,199 --> 00:53:10,280
those more obscure dare I say, niche characters. Everyone knows

1155
00:53:10,280 --> 00:53:13,000
about clay Face and you don't think, oh, he's a

1156
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:13,719
Batman villain.

1157
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:16,000
Speaker 1: You definitely don't think anything to knows who Clay Faces.

1158
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:21,000
Speaker 3: I'll have to test her and ask her. I don't.

1159
00:53:21,119 --> 00:53:25,679
I don't think so. And if she would, yeah, clay Faces.

1160
00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:28,079
Speaker 2: She would probably assume it's something Marvel related, to be honest.

1161
00:53:28,519 --> 00:53:32,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, So yeah, we'll see and again Superman has to

1162
00:53:32,559 --> 00:53:35,000
come out, that has to happen. We'll see again that

1163
00:53:35,360 --> 00:53:39,079
it's all again, this could all be for no because

1164
00:53:39,079 --> 00:53:41,719
Superman could come out and fucking underperformer bomb and there

1165
00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:44,440
goes the DC Hugh and you know, we hardly knew you,

1166
00:53:44,599 --> 00:53:47,480
but just just feels odd. And again I'm saying it

1167
00:53:47,519 --> 00:53:51,199
is just maybe you don't gonna say statements for that

1168
00:53:51,239 --> 00:53:53,280
because I like to believe. I like to try, and

1169
00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:56,400
especially with people I like believe them, So I believe. Okay,

1170
00:53:56,559 --> 00:53:58,239
if you're on this project, but if you're telling me

1171
00:53:58,280 --> 00:54:00,639
the script and I'm not saying that means be great. Right.

1172
00:54:00,639 --> 00:54:02,519
I don't know what James Gun's like personal likes are.

1173
00:54:02,559 --> 00:54:04,199
Maybe it's a shit script and he's like, this is

1174
00:54:04,199 --> 00:54:05,760
one of the best that I ever read. But I

1175
00:54:05,840 --> 00:54:09,079
kind of hope that means something. But I'll last We'll

1176
00:54:09,119 --> 00:54:10,800
just have to wait and see and find what happens

1177
00:54:10,840 --> 00:54:12,920
next few weeks. We're rumored to begin to Superman trailer

1178
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:16,360
next week, so I think unless that drops on a

1179
00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:18,679
day we're already doing like and or Last Office or

1180
00:54:18,679 --> 00:54:20,960
something like that, then that might be me and Kirkland's

1181
00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:23,440
main topic for Weekly Geek next week we didn't talk about.

1182
00:54:23,480 --> 00:54:25,719
But next week they're dropping a Peacemaker trailer as well,

1183
00:54:26,159 --> 00:54:29,239
so they still got stuff going on, still stuff excited.

1184
00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:31,559
Just we'll see what happens. But yes, that is the

1185
00:54:31,679 --> 00:54:34,199
end of this episode, so thank you very much for

1186
00:54:34,280 --> 00:54:36,480
tuning in. We'll be back next week and I promise

1187
00:54:36,519 --> 00:54:39,159
you it'll not be boring. Bye bye.