Speaker 1: All right, let's move into our second part of the episode.
For the main feed, I'm Draws. That's Taylor. You know
we're doing here back to the MCU kim Fie. So
we gotta read off some stuff. This came out on Friday,
so I'm gonna just rattle them off, and if there's
anything you want to stop me on, Taylor, stop me.
And if not, the same thing, I'm gonna have some points,
let me bring it up. So to clarify, these are
just reports from sources. Obviously, Wall Street Journal is a
bit more of a higher profile, so there's a higher tier,
so it's more it's it's probably not just you know,
weird scuttle but it's stuff that's probably actually been heard
or talked about and stuff. But so I'm gonna go
point by point, and like I said, there's anything you
want me to stop me, Taylor, go ahead. But this
come out last week. I think the headline was like,
you know, at one point Hollywood wanted more Marvel but
now wants less or something like that. But so here
we go Kevin Figy and this is all paraprise. By way,
in the Wall Street article, they have it like a
whole night ridden in source and stuff like that. This
is just the bold points because for that arc, they
have to pay for it, and uh, I'm not paying
for Wall Street Journal. Sorry, you know it's not not
what I'm doing there. But uh, Kevin Faigy really didn't
want to make Disney Plus shows. He agreed to it
because he could see the store potential, but mostly because
he wanted to play ball of Eiger, Chapik and Wall
Street Investors, which like and all this stuff will talk
about is so much just like a lot of it
is just that makes sense or a lot of it's
like stuff we've talked about before. Where I will say
that I did think I agreed with them at that point.
It was a good idea. Like if you're starting to
stream a service, you're gonna need shows, right, So it's
a good idea for Star Wars to put shows on there.
Disney what's another brand obviously they have like Pixar and
Disney they tried and stuff. There's other points. I don't
know what I want to save what up? But I
could see why he maybe was opposed to it because
they hadn't done TV. But now I think it's one
of these things that yeah, I just don't know where
to bring this point up because we have a I
might come. I'll bring up a point after. But yeah,
any thoughts on that, Taylor.
Speaker 2: I think the idea of putting out these shows. I
think at the start it was welcomed, it was awesome,
and then I think things kind of got a little
oversaturated and a little convoluted, and the whole idea too,
of trying to keep up and understand that, Okay, we're
made to believe that you can watch these movies without
needing to watch the shows, but that's not true for
not all, No, not true. Holy shit, they fucked that
up and they've ruined it because you have an instance
where if you watch The Falcon and The Winter Soldier,
then you're going to be getting a scenario where you
have a character go through all of these tribulations and
make several advancements in their development to only get to
a main movie. You now, you're someone who's watching all this,
your big fan. You get to the main movie, and
you have to be dissatisfied by seeing that same character
regress and make the same improvements that they did in
the TV show when they shouldn't be doing this because
they've already conquered this part of their moral dilemma.
Speaker 3: They should be even.
Speaker 2: Further ahead, so that I feel like they retroactively take
two steps back by doing some of these things with
these main characters in the shows, and it's it's damaging.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess I'll say it here because it's gonna
tell because we're talking about the vision thing, and there's
a scoopa that said, that's the last time you're going
to see a movie character. So we might rinse and
repeat a little things here, But that's what I'm gonna
say you, Sam, And I think there's some things I agree
with you on. There's some things I disagree, but I
do agree on the points. But like for me, the
biggest one is Wanda. Like, if you watch Avengers Endgame
and you've seen your Jurney up to then let's say
you don't watch Wanda Vision, then you watch Doctor Strange.
Where did she have children? You know? Where was she
having this marriage division and everything like that. And don't get
me wrong, I remember when they announced all this stuff
and it's like, oh, they're doing what if and they're
doing Moonnight and she haul because that's what I was
excited for or was the I think there was two
things right. I was excited for characters that could never
get a movie they could be on Disney Plus, which
I still should think should be the case. But this
is where I always have no problemitting I'm wrong. I thought.
I remember we were watching Loki and they introduced King there, right,
and I thought, Man, what a he That's a great idea.
The reason I thought that was a great idea is
because you're introducing your next big bad, the villain of
your whole saga on a Disney Plus show and now
retrospect that sounds funny. But to me back then, I thought, oh,
this is a great way to get people to actually
go and watch it, because man, that's how they set
it up, or saying they Wanda, that's how they set
up or Samp that's how he got set up with this,
the whole suit and everything. But I think we found
out that for the most part, it's a little bit
different like Wanta Vision LOGI were still big hits, but
I think we felt for the most part that the
MCU audience was very much a movie on it, like
the general audience was very much a movie audience. I
don't think they were wanting two TV shows, and it's
the same way, like this is a quick thing. I
suppose we'll understand this and day we'll understand this. But
for wrestling, there's a company called AW. They're a newer company.
They've been around for five years, and at one point
they just did one show a week and it was fantastic.
But they did, you know, great ratings and that the
company won more shows. So they did that, but that
was the problem that they do three shows and then
towns would get spread out, so you wouldn't know which
town's gonna be a which show, and it just that's
what happened where I just and when I watched w B,
that was like you get four to five shows a week,
and it's like, eh, like all right, but I was
looking for that. I was happy with Okay, every Wednesday
I knew, I tuned into AW Dynamite and I had
seen every episode. And then once they went to three shows,
there's many times where I've not seen all the shows
that week, or I've missed a match. I just hear
what people say is great and then go watch it later.
And that's with wrestling, and that's like to a bigger extent,
but with general audience who sometimes only picks a few
things to watch. At first, I thought it was a
good idea doing those big story points and shows. But
now after the fact that we've seen everything, even with
the Marvels, right they showed off Bree Lars and Team
with them on and Tiana Paris What's your Name? Like
Spectrum from WandaVision, people didn't know who the fuck they
were really, you know, or not enough of them did
so at first that's where I came completely because you'll
hear around those reviews like, man, this this is a
huge deal, because that's why I thought, you got to
make these shows feel important, and they definitely did. And
I think it's also a combination of a lot of
the shows end up the quality not being the greatest,
so that hurt them. When I think the MCU, I
know tons of people go like, oh, the MSU is
it was never really gone? And then why are people
saying it's back. It's always been here And there's great
stuff on these PHAs for me personally, and I think
probably the same thing for you, And maybe I can
even speak for Dylan Kirkland. I guess maybe Dylan, I'd
have to ask, because I know he was not a
fan of Incredible Health, but there wasn't stuff we were
failing the MSU until after endgame, right, Like that's the
difference to me where I was fine within Finny Saga
having a project that's like a six out of ten
or six point five because it's fine, it's still passed
and there's other great stuff coming. Where we got stuff
like Secret Wars you know or not no, sorry, I'm
Secret Invasion, you know, or Eternals or Black Widow. I
think it was lesser ant Man Quantumedia. Like for me,
there's stuff in there that was not as great. So yeah,
I think overall, I think I'm like the point of
where it saying with Fi you've seen the opportunity. That's
where I was, but it just didn't work out. And
even if the quality was there, maybe too much was
too important. Uh. It wasn't just Daredevil. Marvels students as
a whole underwent a huge creative overhaul, having dealt with
one too many flops. Thunderbolts was the first movie made
post overhaul. Marvel has grown increasingly anxious about their quality,
which is why it keeps delaying Blade, which to be
makes sense. I don't know if we're ever really gonna
get Blade, right, we'll see what happens. It's a running joke.
But at the same point, I do believe that, and
I hope that as far as like, if you make
people wait this super long time, it's it's gotta be
I think good or great. And that's where to me,
I'm fine with all these delays as long as we
get it eventually. The reason why I've still never said
it's a fake because you know me, Chris and Brandt,
you know, and now David, we've talked about this before,
like fake me, right, because I had always said about
war Machines, this isn't happening. Yeah, it was war Machine right. Yeah.
The movie's just Armor Wars. That's what it was called.
You know this movie isn't happening. I did. My My
reason for that was not because you know, Blade of
course was getting delayed, right, But my reason for Armor
Wars is what we talked about last episode, where they're
gonna go with their heavy hitters. Armour Wars is not
a heavy hitter. I think Blade is not a heavy
hitter as far as like the s tier, but I
think could be a tier, especially with Ali, I think
that character holds a lot of weight. So that's why
I'm still never ready to say that's a dead movie,
because there's tons of potential with the Blade, and that's why, sure,
it'll always be kind of memed upon, but if they
get it right, then it doesn't really matter. So and
there was another thing too. Where was the quote here
from Bob Iger? If I can find it, I saved
it to somewhat. Oh man, I don't think I have
it anymore, but I pretty much just said something like, oh,
Thunderbolts is the example of like the quality of quantity,
and he even said focusing on film, but anything on
that one, tayl or moving on.
Speaker 2: I think it's very interesting the fact that they they
were doing all of these different projects and when they
finally got things together and they were cleaning up their act,
Thunderbolts is the one.
Speaker 3: That was posts after that.
Speaker 2: And I think it's funny how reading the article you
have people that are trying to track down Figgy in
the halls like drop them, get an elevator, and they
like close the doors.
Speaker 3: It's like, I gotcha, Figy.
Speaker 1: That's the next thing. I can read this off because
you're talking about that. The overall came as a result
of kem Figgy being completely exhausted by Phase four in
early Phase five, which we've we kind of figured out
because there's just like too much going on. There would
be times where production teams wouldn't hear from Figy for weeks,
two months on end. By time he had to give
those teams feedback, it was too late to implement. There
were instances where creative had to literally ambushed Figgy Marvel
Studios half in the hallway for any kind That's how
bad the situation had gone.
Speaker 3: That is not a healthy work environment.
Speaker 2: No, And like Disney's, Disney's Golden Goose right now is
Kevin Figee and I take great comfort now and knowing
that the slump that we hit with these projects was
it wasn't that he was he was trying. He was
definitely trying, but he was exhausted.
Speaker 3: There were too many things going.
Speaker 2: On too much like side narratives, and that it shows
there these decisions by these suits in and office boardrooms
up high. Their decisions are what put Marvel into this
predicament right now with these narratives that aren't adding up
in these post credit scenes that are just gonna be
left uncontinued and so forth.
Speaker 1: Yes and no, because like I think they got a
little I'm of two minds now that I want to
defend the studios, but one figy team. They should have
played it safe by just doing mostly ad credits that
tease the next project, right they got I had a
hand of teasing, Oh Harry Styles and heracules, Like they
teased way too much. They should have been like for
every four projects. But you got to admit to where
one endgame happens. Marvel, you know, off c Avatar retook
this record, but the biggest movie of all time, that
record had been broken for a while there on top,
and remember COVID happened. So that's where like I always
would wonder the strikes too, but I would always wonder
what would happen with Marvel. Covid never happened because the
streaming services became such a big thing, right, So you
got to see from their perspective of we're back in
twenty twenty. No one can go to theaters. We can't
make any money that way. And that's where the studios,
I think, rightly, we're like, you have to make a
bunch of streaming content, because that could be the right
because that again, let's let's say that happens in I,
you know, knock on wood here, I got it. Five
years from now, another pandemic or something happens, we can't
go to the movie theaters, right, So that's when the
streaming service again would be massive. And that's where I
do understand the studio's point of view during COVID of
we need money and we need you know, there's there
isn't a man and we have the supply, So I
do get that. I think it's probably the problem was
once it caught up to doing the movies and the
TV shows at the same time, there was too much
of it and, like you said, not a good work environment.
This is the other point too, that Marvel had reshoots
because fig was a for the vast majority of filming.
The biggest obstacle the face was how to make the
film COHESI without being caught up with all their Disney
Plus shows, which again that's that's tough because we've seen
that before, like Secret Invasion to the Marvels and uh,
you know with even like Falcon not so much like
that was that stayed true. But even doctor strange, and
I think there was a situation where I think Sam
Raimi said like he had never seen WandaVision, he had
like been told what happened. He's like great, and then
they moved along and just went went when happened and
suer Mike says, I bet James Gunn never had to
ambush fire to get his approval for anything on volume three,
yes or no. I don't think he had to, but
there's reports that I think there's reports for I think
Ghan has mentioned this or whatever. No, but every time
they were editing the Guardians movies, Foggy was always right there,
like he was over his shoulder, not a bad way,
but like Figgy was probably where now get them. No,
I think it's just that he wanted to see what
probably was going on with this. These reports were Foggy
literally couldn't write. Doesn't matter how many people you get,
you can't and not. This is not to the same
extent for us, But it's like that's why we brought
back Weekly Geek because then it's like we still like
to do the four person cast, but it's like when
we're doing reviews and side quests and bonus stuff and
Patreon content. It's like that's why we say, Okay, sometimes
some of us, you know, we just need time offer
just to be free or just whatever. And that's where
I said, Okay, we can still cover the news, but
not break our backs. But of so we do lots
of episodes. So that's but like we're in a much
different situation. We're not a multi billion trillion dollar corporation
like with Foggy. It's just he is only one guy, right,
And that's where I think they are smart to scale
back the amount of content they're doing.
Speaker 2: Again, you know, with that rumor about Figy just kind
of like monitoring how Guardians was going and just letting
James Gunn do his thing.
Speaker 1: I think he was James Gunn do his thing. He
was in the room editing that, like he was like
he's letting James Gunn do his thing. But like when
he came to the final edit, but he still was
there and he was still yeah oh yeah yeah.
Speaker 2: So I think with that, in comparison to everything that
we've seen so far, I just think that again, we
know Faggy is.
Speaker 3: A golden goose, and I think that at the end.
Speaker 2: Of the day, he it goes to show that him
not being attached to these projects in the past is
definitely hurting that franchise overall, and it's it's he needs
to be closely attached to these stories moving forward because
everything after not everything, most of the things after and
game are definitely murky. But right now I feel confident
and happy knowing that he's probably super like attached to
the hip to Fantastic form, probably has been for a
while and gonna be like overseeing that. So I have
a lot of stock and Fantastic for being just absolutely
kick ass. And again that's why I'm super excited too
with how Thunderbolts concluded, because I feel like, Okay, he
was he had he was mentally there and available for Thunderbolts,
and that shows when you stack it again with the
director and the writing team behind that as well lots
of talent. And so where we're at now at the
back half of this phase getting into Avengers, and we
have five gyback and that mental headspace, you know, doing
what he's doing best, then I feel really really confident
that even though they had a little bit of a
blunder with Kang, that we're going to get something, you know,
with doom here. That's going to be cohesive and pretty awesome,
and I trust, I trust Fike. I just hope that
I hope that they before he retires they tell the
stories that they want to tell, because I think the
moment he steps down and he retires or anything like that,
then they got it, like a winning the MCU down.
They're not going to be able to keep it going forever.
Speaker 1: No, they'll keep it going. I don't know the quality
of it. Hopefully it's someone that's in control, but we'll
talk about that as far as the next ten years.
But I think if it's making money, someone will still
have it. This was kind of a carry on in that.
But Miss Marvel in particular was a failure that hit
Marvel Studios hard morale because it was a show that
everyone including Fight was extremely proud of. Twenty twenty three
is the first year Marvels Studio's history where they actually
fired employees, which of course that's just like that sucks.
The Miss Marvel thing I can completely get because I
think we're one of the few, like as far as
Marvel fans goes, like our podcast fake none of us
hate the show, but I think all of us like
you know, enjoyed it enough, but like for me, it
was this point like I'll never watch it again. I
see some points why people love it, but I think
it is overhyped by people. But still tons of people
did love it, but that was its lowest rated show
when people didn't really end up caring about it. And
that's the thing where I think it is a culmination
of like too much going on. But then there is
still a thing of you know, everyone uses guardians, example
of like well, no one knows who they were. Yeah,
that's true, but sometimes that could also just be the
exception of the rule, right, and not the rule where well,
because Marvel Studios is great, they can make any unknown
property a billion dollar Like well no, I was like, no,
that doesn't always happen. And that was in a time
where Marvel was much higher up, right, So but I
could see that's our a show that was like critically
loved and everything anything saynd that. So let's see it
came with still a big bat of the multi verse
sag until early twenty four, twenty four, and they decided
to pivot to Doctor Mea. We do all that, Let's
see Doomsday and Secret Wars with the main priority. They're
going back to run things the way they used to,
with a ten year plan for the next mute and saga,
which to me that makes sense. We'll talk about it
with the TV stuff. But it's just kind of funny
where we've gone on. But yeah, that's where it's like
right now we have I could be wrong. I'm gonna
go fill my water bottle tail because I'm very parched.
Can you look up and just confirm me for next
year in the year after, do we have any other
MCU movies other than the Avenger movies? So look that
up and talk to people.
Speaker 2: Let's see here, all right with him gone? First things first,
what have we got here?
Speaker 1: Nope?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, feeding the ducks?
Speaker 1: We like this track?
Speaker 3: All right, So, ladies and.
Speaker 2: Gentlemen, upcoming Marvel movies in twenty twenty five. So we
knew that we had Thunderbolts, Ironheart's a series, Fantastic four
First Steps, that's a movie, Isaaconda, it's another series, Marbles.
Speaker 3: Zombies, Okay, wonder Man. Forgot about wonder Man?
Speaker 1: No, so just me movies not shows.
Speaker 3: Isn't wonder Man it says it's a movie.
Speaker 1: No, it's a show.
Speaker 3: What?
Speaker 1: Oh? My I did a number one. So if we
got Spider Man right, mmmm, yes, so yeah, just get
the movies. Wonder Man's a lie because right now, if
you look austly, Thunderbolts, you know, not doing amazingly box
office wise, but it sounds like it's like good enough.
But the run of if Tarry confirms this for me, Thunderbolts,
Fantastic Four, Doomsday Spider Man, and Secret Wars, that's the five.
Can you confirm that for me?
Speaker 2: I think you are pretty spot on with that.
Speaker 1: So you look at that Fantastic Four, which I'm I
think obviously the Thunderbolt stuff did help it, but with
that we still have to see, hey do people care
about that four? We'll find out what you're laughing about.
Just blade right, Blade, but nothing did right So like
Fantastic Four, even then, I still think it's gonna be hit.
I think it's gonna be successful. Looks good, cast is good,
and it's gonna play into the gray MCU. If you
look at that run of five movies Thunderbolts, Fantastic Four, Doomsday,
Spider Man, and then Secret Wars, you're pretty much just
when we talked about in the last cast about like
the S tier characters. I would say those are all
almost S tier ones, right, Like, Okay, thunder Bolts is
B tier, maybe Fantastic four is a tier, but like
Spider Man and Two Avengers movies, those are S tier right.
So it's like, and even then, I think that's not
a bad thing. If if next year all we got
is Spider Man Avengers, and the year after all we
got is Avengers do our secret Wars, that's not bad
thing because last year we had just dead Puol Wolverine, right,
and that made over a billion dollars. I'm not saying that, oh,
if you just do one Marvel movie a year, you'll
make a billion dollars. I'm not saying that, but I'm
just saying that sometimes even Iigres said that today and
even this report, it's like sometimes less is more. And
I think in this situation where you're trying to build
people back up, like get them back in, if you're
leading with your big guns F four, Spider Man, and
Two Avengers, I think that as a way that if
all those can hit and do well, people will start
to kind of fall back in love with the MCU.
And guess what the rumored movies that are coming up,
but they're not official, but it is Doctor Strange three,
thoor or five, and Black Panther three. Those are characters
that are running around. Absolutely no, absolutely, So okay, even
that four. Let's let's say after Secret Wars, the next
four movies are Doctor Strange, Black Panther three, four foor
or five, and X Men. Those are also four, just
like big movies right in a row. Right, Maybe they
don't got to do all four in a year. Please
don't do that. But that's what I mean. Where when
it's okay, what's next, Well, that's where you have s
tier characters. That's where I'm sorry. I think that's where
like people like sun Chie, it's not gonna happen like
a movie like other ones that are like I'm trying
to think, like we talked about that already, like ant Man,
like Catain Marrow, Like I don't think that's gonna be
the case. So I think that's where. Okay, I've just
finished Secret Wars. What's next? Okay, Doctor Strange three? Oh?
I loved Doctor Strange. He's from the Infinity Saga, like
he's been around for a while. I still love Doctor Strange.
Speaker 3: Oh.
Speaker 1: I love thor or five or like I love Chris
Hams for like Black Panther will see that's a bit
more tricky because Chadwick. But still like Ryan Coogle's gonna
come off Sinners, right, you know, they're gonna use that
promotion be like the guy who's created it's like, you know,
very original, hyped up movie Sinners, you know. Like so
I think that's the thing where they can have a
really really good run and win people back, and that
is the pause of they have that. Sure, their brand's
a little tough, like it had some tough times, but
like I said, they have some big heavy hitters. DC
doesn't have that right now. They got Superman. They gotta
hope that hits and then Supergirl. But it's like you
know clay Face maybe you know, like the Authority, uh
some other stuff where it's like they don't have Batman
on the docks. They don't have Wonder Woman in the docks.
They got a Green Lantern show, which I think is
a mistake. I think that should be a movie, it
shouldn't be a show. So no, like I I think
making a ten like The X Men should have a
tenure plan. That to me is like a no da
and that's one thing that does show to me. I
know Tata is called the Golden Goose a couple of
times their Golden egg. I do think that shows that fivey,
as long as things go well, is gonna be around
for at least ten more years. I thought after Secret
Wars he might walk away, but I think it sounds
like he's gonna be sticking around. But yeah, do you
think they can get? The other point here is everyone
in the studio is fully aware that superhero and fatigue
is real, and that's what's currently driving to make better entertainment.
Do you agree with me that if they can again
these movies, I'm not saying have to be all timers,
but they still think have to be at least the
quality of I'll say Thunderbolts like an Avengers movie. The
quality Thunderbolts like that'd be good. Do you think if
they can make those movies at least people happy with
them and leading with these big tier ones, that they
can kind of bring some people back and maybe I'll
get to the glory of endgame days, but kind of
get maybe even like phase end of Phase one, phase
twoition as far as some hype again, I.
Speaker 2: Absolutely think if they're if they handle their cards right
with these with these few projects, just hypothetically the ones
you listed off, and even if.
Speaker 1: Play did happen, that would be big for them. I
think that's very big.
Speaker 3: Yeah big.
Speaker 2: I think that there is absolutely enough pull that you
could kind of garner in a little bit of that
that community back in here and just the the ogs
and the fandom and whatnot.
Speaker 3: There's totally enough.
Speaker 2: I mean leading into Avengers, that's that's one thing that's
going to capture attention. But you have a Spider Man
four and you got again, you drop that, Hey, we
got next Spin movie officially coming out. We got another
Thor because Chris Hemsworth, he still brings in a big
crowd people like him as Thor. Uh. So I think
that there's lots and lots of potential. Maybe you get
another Guardians right the follow up to see what's going
on there with with Chris Pratt right, because yes, or
I guess the other actual Guardians team with Rocket and
with h.
Speaker 1: They need to be killed off. They need to be
killed off. Absolutely, that team sucks. They need to be
killed off Tuesday. And yeah, if you want to do
a Chris Pratt with them with a new team. But
I think Guardians is tricky with with no gun there.
I think that's a tricky one. So the same things.
You don't have those actors back, right, like Batista's not
coming back. So Sumer Mike says, Sung She had the
potentially a tier after the movie comes up, but Marvel's
lack commitments stop that. I can agree for me. It's
just tough because I've said this many times, like I
really don't know because of COVID, right, It's that's the
bad thing with Eternals, Black Widow, Sung Chi. We don't
know how those movies really would have done in the
normal world, and maybe Sung Chi and it still was
the best of those COVID ones, So you could say
that's the potential for them, right, that could be. Hey,
this out of all the COVID movies that were new,
Sung Chet's Let's Fall Up. I feel like they're gonna
revisit that after Secret Wars, which is kind of funny
because the end of Sung she remembers like the ten
Rings will return, and I haven't seen them return or anything,
but yeah, like I that could happen, but I think
they make it a smaller budget one, but I think
it's again they're going to go on. If you're a
maybe five, you would disagree. But if you're a studio
head and you got a board and you got that,
you had Sung cheap, but then you got F four,
Like even the sequels, right, X Men, Spider Man, Blade four,
Black Panther, Doctor strange even to me, a new Guardians
movie with a new team. I feel like people are like, ah, yeah,
greenlight that before you do Sung Chi. That's my issue.
I just feel like Sung cheese down the total pole.
Especially if we're in the era where they're doing four
moves a year and they're all successful, then sure. But
as we've talked about in this report, and we're gonna
talk about another port coming up, we're not. We're not
in that era anymore where they're just gonna start pumping
stuff out. So I think that's where they're gonna be choosy,
and I think Sung she might end up in like
team up stuff more. Again, what we talked about before,
he might be a part when they do. If they
don't do a Captain in America five and an ant
Man four song, she will be on the Avengers, but
he'll just be an Avengers character now the Avengers, we
will just be a team of characters now instead of
a big crossover. So uh, Patrick Grog says Chris Patt
won't be a part of the Guardians movie. He'll be
secret War So I agree, I don't think he will be.
But you never know. Money does a lot of things.
So let's take an ad break and then we'll be
right back with a few other Marvel news. So we'll
be right back, and we are back, so let's talk
about this. I'm gonna put these two together. So Hawkeye
season two, Uh, we got some mixed stuff going on here.
So this is not a room, not anything like that,
a seat or anything like that. Jeremy Renner said that
he was on deck to do season two, but then
they offered him half when he got paid for season one,
so that has, you know, subsequently stalled the show. But
then there's been rumors that they've talked about just going
on without them. And then this is not like similar
to stuff we've been talking about tonight. But just want
to bring in where there is a report that Vision
is going to be the last show that's going to
feature a major like movie character in the future. This
was something the previous report, but I kept to hear
that they didn't say live action, but I'm assuming live action.
That Marvel from now wants to keep it to only
one to two Disney plus Marvel shows a year, and
they want to be secluded stories to something like Daredevil
or even like Werewolf by Night stuff like that, and
they want to be smaller characters again. So what are
your thoughts here in this Hawkeye business of Jeremy rennerd
just out in the mouths and hey, I want to
come back, but they offer me have And then what
do you think about now? That sounds like the we're
still gonna get shows, but it's gonna be a few
and firm in between. And it sounds like they're gonna
you're not gonna get what we did before it was
like oh Loki and Cap and you know, uh Wanda.
It sounds like Vision's gonna be the last of that
era of movie show like movie characters be on TV.
Speaker 2: I'm totally okay with them cutting back on the movie
show or movie characters to the TV show characters and
crossing those two worlds together. I'm okay with them cutting
back on that. I don't need that to be as
religious as it may as may have been in the past.
Pick one and let that be the one that you
the hell you die on. Uh Now, as for what
was the first half of that question, Yes, the Renner.
So I watched that interview and it was just interesting
here because he was on the like a podcast or
something like that, and he was talking about it when
he got the information, like, oh, they want to pay
me half, and he just he takes a good shot
at Disney when he's like, whatever, am I am, I
I'm half a man, is what.
Speaker 3: They're they're paying me for it.
Speaker 2: But it's worth it to note how he how he
says this as well, it wasn't it's not like it's Disney, right,
It's it's it's people that are above like, yeah, exactly.
So it's people that are above that again, the people
in suits, you know, the ones that are like investors
and stuff like that. They're the ones that are making
those kind of shots. So it's not Marvel, it's not
people that are on the team. It's not five gear
or anything like that. But I hope that because of that,
it if they wanted to bring in Clint as a
character then I imagine that's because Figy sees it being
an important kind of trajectory for that character and how
to steer the overall narrative. And so if the investors
are being asses.
Speaker 3: About this and.
Speaker 2: Whatnot, then I hope fig can like look at it
and kind of address it. I'm not saying that they're
gonna figure out a way to get uh, Jeremy Renner
back in, but I just think that it's it's interesting
that this had happened, and hopefully people that hold a
lot of pole at Marvel can take that tiup to
uh the upstairs and really hammer out some of the
stupidity of it, because I mean, he's he's a seasoned
he's an og Avengers member, and I get you know.
Speaker 1: Unless they're not that bothered by it, unless they're like,
all right, whatever, right, Like we we we talked about
it as like a romanticized like, oh, original Avenger, I'm
sure five do you want that? But what if it's like, yeah,
we talked about money and Disney Plus and how they're
scaling back. What if they're like, Okay, if you're gonna
do a Hawk Eye season two, you get it for
this much money and rented. It's like, hey, this is
what we got, Take her or leave it because they
because like, imagine the money they don't pay him. They
just throw in the Seinfeld's contract. She's ready to be there.
I think now, more than ever is the time to
strike with her after Sinners, because you talk about, like
everyone if you've seen the movie, and if you haven't
seen the movie, you used to know. There's a few
explicit scenes that she has that have been I feel
like the algorithm on my Facebook and Twitter always pop
up the conversation she has with Smokes, both at the
dance and in the transitation about the thing she says.
And I feel like Haley Seinfeld in general is always
very popular, but I think this is the most popular
she's ever been. Is where he capitalized. So I'm not
saying that, oh yeah, Kevin Fie, he was like all
fuck him, because yeah, I could just be purely hey,
this all we have to offer, and maybe he'll be
one of these Vengers movies. But at the same time,
that would be a let's say, there was a conspiracy
theory in my mind if they didn't want to really
have rented, like they weren't bothered by it. What's the
easiest way. Well, it is all from half, you know,
like because then it's like, well, if he says yes,
then we get him for a reduced amount. If he
says no, then whatever, we move along. And that's the
same thing. We don't know because he didn't say his interview.
We don't know when this happened, right, so this coulda
happened a while back go and now it may just
be dead in general, or maybe it's a situation where
maybe he was like contracted. But that's what they're doing,
where okay, this we're gonna pay you, and like if Visions,
like does that count if to me? If like Vision's
the last show, we'll like we're talking about the stories together.
It's like, well then if didn't they do Hawk. If
they did Hawk Eye was season two with Renner, that
would be another major movie character in a sense, right,
doing that show again where Steinfeld's not she's not. I
guess she's in one movie, right, she's in the Marvels
for an end credit, but like she's not a major
movie character yet, So I don't know, I think it fits.
But I also, as much as I love I'm somebody
likes Clint Barn a lot more than other people, both
in comics of the movies. I do want him to
come back. I like that idea of the Raid storyline
they were pitching. But if you also were tell me, hey,
we're gonna do Hawkeye season two, it's just Haley Seinfeld,
I'll still be relatively excited for that because I like
her as actress and I could see the potential there.
So we'll see. But I think it's gonna be the
next few years is gonna be. And again, I think
you can tell Hailey Seinfeld Kate Bishop's story that is
just secluded by itself. But then also i'd like to
see in the movies, so I don't know. And then
with Vision, Yeah, to me, it just makes sense. It's
kind of it's something where we're gonna find out next
year with Manuelin and Grogu. But I had made that
comparison where even with the shows we talked about other
than Moonnight, it seemed like all the shows that did
well in Disney Plus were the people that came from
the movies, because it's people that have established brand. But
we talk about like the Marvels, I don't think Miss
Marvel or Rambo really helped that movie, right, the Thunderbolts,
like other than Ghosts, I guess it's a mix, right,
But like John Walker, that's a Disney Plus character. There's
a couple of other Disney Plus characters there where I think,
like people just they know them now, but they didn't
know them back then, if they didn't check them out
and they missed it, or that show didn't interest them
at all. So I think it makes sense. I think
it's smart to keep them separate. I think it's kind
of like, if you want to see these people, you
have to pay for them. And that's why what I
was referring to is that's why I'm so interested to
see how Manlearn Grogu does next year, because I wonder
if even for Star Wars, if people feel, oh, I
can watch Grogu at home. I got three seasons of Grogu.
I don't why do I need to go pay, especially
because like the rumor is, that was just that was
Manualari in season four and they just turned into movie
like Majana and difference to prefer me with Mwana ism Wana.
There was only one Majana and then you got a
sequel movie. There's lots of manual learn and grogu Right,
so let's see uh, pat Patrick says uh, or Patrick
says frankly, Hawkeye had been the least impactful Avengers of
the original six. I guess it depends like in meaning
like overall world. Then yeah, sure, story wise, I can't
agree with that because like, I'm more connected to Clint
Barton than Natasha, and that's it's not Scargill's fault. That's
the way the movie is, Like, I don't think Scargial
got anything. And again it's the way the character's written.
The endgame opening when Clint's hanging out with his family
and they go missing. We never got anything as good
as that with Natasha in my opinion, right, even hits
like to me, you look at the subplot in Age
of Ultron. His subplot is with the twins and getting
Scarlet Witch to become an Avenger and talking about like
how bad things can be. Or at the end that
mission when he lays down and he's beside dead Quicksilver
and it's just such a sad, depressing thing where it's like,
for like a minute's kind of like his proge where
like what's Black Widow's Storylineuage of Ultron's like, well, I'm
a monster too. I can't have kids. It's like yeah,
all right, Like again, that's not an attachable So for me,
I'd have to disagree as far as like what I
agree importance wise, right, importance wise and Overhall Universe. Yeah,
black widow because she fucking sacrificed herself with Soulstone. But
uh yeah, we'll see. I think it's smart to keep
movie characters on movie. And the only thing that sucks
for me now is man I said listen to the discord.
It just feels like we're back to where we started.
Like when we start this podcast, it's funny like we
had like shows and then we had the Marvel shows
that were pretty separate by themselves. And then as things
going on, it's like, oh, we're gonna do the streaming
shows and everything's gonna be connected yet, and oh, we're
gonna have so much on streaming, And now it's like, oh,
companies are pulling back on streaming and making sure things
theatrical like a Mwanatu or man Lore and Grogul right,
and now it's like, well, we're gonna get back to
doing TV shows, but they're gonna be smaller budget and
they're not really gonna be connected to the main overall story,
like just like Jessica Jones, just like Daredevil. So my
only sadness of this is, Man, I'm gonna be really
bummed if Charlie Cox finally got to MCU he's on
Disney Plus, and if because they're doing this whole like
well we want TV shows the movies to be separate.
If he never ends up in the movies, man, what
a bummer. Like both times this guy just fucking misses
out and like teaming up with people, you know, like
throw them a boon may gonna be a venger. So
and then our last stories for the night here just
a combo of mixing of news.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: So we got some john Wick updates so which I'm
very very excited by this because I was somebody said like,
sure the k movie is what'll, I'll watch it. But
what I really wanted was I think her name is Akira,
I can't remember if it is, but the girl that
was in john Wick four who was like the daughter
of the guy from Showgun and then she killed him.
There's an end credit. You remember that.
Speaker 3: Girl, right, Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, So she's confirmed for the Cane spin off. Uh,
there's a john Wick five update. The director said the
song of John Wick was pretty wrapped, So the only
way to do five is is if you have a
new story then involves John Wick. It's not a continuation
with the High Table John Devil's Grief. It really it
will be really different. Everybody will see that the trailer
and go, holy fuck, I gotta see that. Those are
the two john wake updates. And then Clay Face has
a new writer. I don't think you've much more say
on that. That's more for me just to rant off
here in a second because I'm a big Mike Flanagan fan.
But what do you think about these uh these John
Wait happy shoes in Kane? And now, what do you
think about john Wick five? Do you think they're gonna
be able to get you to just say, holy fuck,
I gotta see that.
Speaker 2: I think that john Wick four had a fantastic ending
and pushing it.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't know what they're gonna do, but you know,
money speaks and they want.
Speaker 3: To keep on going.
Speaker 2: I am intrigued to see what they're gonna do. But
I think that the daughter of the of the I
think it was the Japanese hotel.
Speaker 3: That the it was like sanctuary.
Speaker 2: I can't remember all the terms or whatnot, but I
really I'm glad that we're gonna get to see a
follow up with that daughter and and Kane, especially just
with the way that they left things in the the
end of the previous movie, just setting it up. So
I'm so happy that we're gonna get the follow up
to that because there's there's a lot that needs to
be explored.
Speaker 1: Do you think we're gonna have a movie because he
was the antagonist the last one had some modes but
not that he's a good guy, but like Partner with Wick,
they had a respect. Do we get in the moment
the movie where the you know him, the killer of
this woman's dad, that they team up and work together somehow?
Or do you think we have a movie where the
protagonist is being hunted by somebody that we should be
kind of cheering for, right, Because most of the time
it's like, well, you know, root for you know, the
bad guy to get the good guy, but in this
situation kind of would be because this Donian killed her father, right,
so it's like, oh, we shouldn't be cheering for him.
So do you think they end up working together or
do you think it's some weird way where it is. Yeah,
our protagonist is a bad guy that has to get
taken down.
Speaker 3: Oh, they're gonna work together for sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I think it's just it makes sense.
Speaker 2: It's the next natural step for things, even though it's
even though it's it's uh, it's.
Speaker 3: Not alluded to or set up that way.
Speaker 2: I think that something will happen, you know, not not
the Continental, but it could be the what do you
call it, the Agency?
Speaker 3: Whatever it is, like, oh, you guys didn't do this right.
Speaker 2: So we're gonna come after you and they gotta team
up John Wick style or something like that.
Speaker 1: So how do you feel about this? Because I've seen
people pitch just before. If we get John Wick.
Speaker 2: And hell no killing demons and stuff, I don't need
it to be paranormal. He's the Baba Yaga and the
physical realm. I don't need the Baba Yaga and the
spiritual realm.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm I'm torn Cuz, don't get me wrong. If
that was the trailer, that is like I don't know
if I'm like excited, but it is like, Okay, what
the fuck are they doing here. I gotta see this
right Like that is like, this is something different. I
just don't. I feel like that for me is like
a a comic or animation movie I would enjoy more
than like the live action and don't get wrong, let's
see it. That's a wild, wacky way to go. But
at the same day, it's so like, well, I guess
he did die. He just went to Hell, And that's like,
I don't know. They're like I'd have to definitely see
the trailer and go from there. Because my complain about
this has been, Hey, if he's alive, that hurts Sean
Wick four. So I guess in the movie in John
Wick five, if he is dead and it's him like
battling Hell, it's like, well, I guess he is dead.
I just wouldn't have come back alive. But yeah, we'll see.
I think Tayla is right about with the Cane spin off,
the likely team up, but I hope I'm wrong, or
I hope they team up that she fucking kills in
the end. The movie I wanted was her movie Hunting
Down Kane. Now, obviously it's different because Kane was more
popular character. He's directing this, so he has to be
the main character. But I want him to eat it.
I want her to kill him. I want the revenge.
So I hope it is. I hope they do something
bold where our protagonist is the bad guy and the
antagonist is the good guy hunting them down. So we'll
see and then Taylor, you can respond after I rant
for just a second and then we're down on this
episode here. But so Mike Flannagan and this will come
with some bias because like, I'm a big fan of
Mike Flanning again, love Haunting Hillhouse, Midnight Mass It's just
fucking one of the best horror things ever. And then
he has a litany of other good things. Doctor Sleep
is fantastic. I'm excited for his Carry series, and I'm
excited for uh god, there's another one he's doing. But anyway,
so last year at some point we heard his rumor.
Then whatever, it's been official, right that, Okay, they're doing
a clay Face movie. And I always said before, not
really a fan of this, because don't get me wrong,
I trust James Gone way more than these Sony Marvel movies. Right,
But it's that sense of and I get it. They
got the whole mess with the Batman and they don't
know what they're doing their Batman. But I don't want
to be in a world where I meet clay Face
before we meet Batman, the same way we met Morbius
and Venom and Man and Webb before he met that
Spider Man. And guess what, we never met that Spider Man,
So fuck us, right, But I don't want that. I'm
all for Batman fights clay Face and then we get
that movie. That's more of the route that I'd like
to go. Just call me old fashion, right, But I
was always like, okay, even though he can't direct, which
was a bummer because he's busy with stuff. Even though
he can't direct, I am excited because Mike Flannagan one
of the best directors for current directors for what I like.
He's my top ten for favorites right now. And he
wrote the script and he'd been working on it for
a while, because there's rumors of this last year or
like two years ago, like twenty twenty four, so you've
been working on this, and then they greenlit and they said, Okay,
it's gonna be a horror movie. It's gonna be you know,
like in the vein of the substance actor taking this thing,
trying to get better, yet to da improve his career.
It's shooting October first. Now this is bouncing off last.
We can think if he was last week. Yeah, me
and Dylan talked about how Sergent Rock was supposed to
be filming, and they depends what scuop re asks. Some
people say it's canceled, some people say it's pushed back.
Either way. Issues with that, right, And now there's this
where you go, Okay, there is going to be a
rewrite on the script. Now for me, here's the thing.
Rewrites happen all the time in Hollywood. I get it.
I think it's difficult for me because the pitch of
everything against me or everything for this film was against
my fire were wanting it. But it's okay. This guy
that I really like, and many others like he wrote
the draft, he wrote the screenplay, not draft he wrote,
or at least the first draft. He wrote that. So
here we go, So say, okay, he's re it's getting
rewrote in, which sucks. And here's the two things that
just make me pause. And here's two quotes from James
gunn H. This was a question someone says, is this
was like months ago. Right, is clay Face officially the
third DCU film? Why didn't you choose more prominent characters
like the Flash or wonder on? Fuck? Just I love this,
but here's fun because the number one rule here at
dc no movie will get the green light before the
script is ready. Okay, let's start there. I'm not on
some fucking like James gun witch Hunt, right, I want.
I like all Guardian's films. I gave it ten. I
like The Suicide Squad. I like James Gunn. It seems
like he seems like a cool guy that I love
to hang out and talk movies with, like shoot the
shit with. I have no personal prompts. It's just like
things that I still gotta call it right. Say, we
talked about a couple of months ago of like, oh
he never yet when it first came out that there
was a Batman, he said, oh, I never thought about
Robert Passen being the Batman like in our universe, and
then like jump to your lay He's like, well, you know,
we considered it. So it's like, okay, that's odd, right,
and I don't know if it's and people can change
their mind, right, But it's just like I think with
James Gunn, he just says things in such like a
direct statement way where it's like this is it, and
this is why maybe he should stay off social media.
It was great to start with to clarify, but this
idea of and he said this before, and I think
that's a great policy because we talked about Marvel other stuff.
We're not gonna give anything green light to the scripts ready,
and that's what the situation. They get the script from
Mike Flann again, yeah, Clay Face green light go, but
now it's getting rewrote. So if the script wasn't ready,
why to get green light? In his own words, no
movie will be green lid before the script is ready.
To me. If you're rewriting the script, it is not ready.
There is like there's a reason, Like I like even
when my script they show the guys like there's like
I don't show them to like I feel like it's
fully ready to go. Like for the most part, right,
I don't get all the time to edit some spelling
hairs that I would like to because sometimes we're like
we gotta we got a cabin, we gotta shoot this
right now. But until the script is ready, I'll give
them general ideas, but like, no, I'm gonna wait. So
that that's one where it's just like already that seems
little if same thing with Sergeant Rock that was green
like gonna shoot and then now it's the later canceled, right,
And then this was what he had said about this.
He said, this is a different quote to Hollywood Reporter.
We had no plans of making a clay Face movie,
but Mike Flanagan turned in a script. It's one of
the best scripts that we've read. Now, that's great. I
love that. I love that idea. Same thing. I don't
think we need a clay Face movie. I don't know
if that's a smart thing of you starting the DCU
of let's do it like in your first batch, your
first phase or whatever, right chapter they call it Gods
and Monsters, Let's do clay Face, all right, not what
I would have picked, but fine, because you know why,
I from Simla James Gunn and he's like, it's one
of the best scripts I ever read. Okay, I'm completely
confident in you. You told me some of the best
scripts you've read, go make that movie, go green light it.
But now one of the best scripts he's ever read.
Let's again Rewrotin. Either I take that as this is
a man that's constantly changes his mind or and not
in a way that I care, but he's just like,
I don't like this sounds harsh like or he's just
a fucking liar, And I don't want to make it
selling that because I feel like that's a reserved for
people that's like the current present right now. It's not that.
But it's just like, if Taylor had to come to me,
and let's say he's working on this, like I'm trying
to think of something he would if let's say he
because he's a graphic designer his day job. Let's say
Cane to me, right, and I said, Hey, Taylor, I
need a poster for use adrenochrome, right imagine of Taylor
and I love the posts. There's multiples, we have other
ones come in the future. It's gonna be great stuff.
But for that first post, right, and Terry Kane to me,
and let's say, uh, Kirklan made me some posters, still
made me some posters. You know, Kyle went on fucking
paint and gave me a poster. And Taylor brings me
a poster, and I go, man Tylor for a dremoch rome.
This is one of the best poster I ever seen.
Can't wait to use this. And then like, and Mike
Claningkin doesn't probably care. Maybe he does, he probably does,
but like he got paid. He's fine. But like, then
imagine if and I tell my fans, I go on
geek first, patron tellyone, Hey, this poster. Wait until you
see it. It's the best poster I've ever seen. And
then I go and hire someone to make a new poster,
or at least okay, you see this poster that Taylor
Field did, can you like change a bunch of stuff? Now? Again,
I don't know, we don't know what's going on. Maybe
there's a situation where Batman wasn't in Flanmagain's script. And
because the Batman two's the lads they go, you know what,
we do want Batman the script. There's tons of stuff
that I will try and give them the benefit of doubt.
It's just that this stuff continually happens. And for me,
this one hurt because this is like a one that
I was looking very forward to. But just for me,
it's it's weird. This is where he just like should
start stop talking in absolutes because the general audience they
don't give a fuck about Clayface or Mike Flanagan. They're
not gonna care. They're gonna wait till next Halloween and
when this mud Monster movie comes out if they want
to see it or not cool, they're not gonna care about.
So when he's making these statements about like one of
the best scripts I ever read, that is for us,
Taylor or other fans that listen to this podcast or
watch or in the sphere right off, like we care,
So to stop, like I think, like stoking those fires.
I just feel like, just don't say that stuff until
it's like it's made. Like let's say, Clay Faces come
out October twenty twenty six, and it's like, yeah, this
is one of the best scripts we ever read and
it's out in a month or two. I can't wait
for you to see it. It just feels odd for
him to say, hey, we're not green lighting anything until
script's done, and now it's getting rewritten, and hey, this
is one of the best scripts we've ever read. Well,
we're gonna get rewrit Like to me, like when I
got the drenkquone proster like the one we use for
that's on like letterbox whatnot. I was very happy with it,
and I was like, you know what, I need to
go get a second opinion and get this remain so
it just like I said, I don't know when you
have to add this, but it just feels it just
feels like something is off. And when I hate about
from what happened last week to this. And I'll give
him credit, Stephen Colbert had this sweet that I love
where you remember in a Watchman where there's Doctor Manhattan
and he's on the He's on Mars, and it's that
meanings like his machine. Yeah, but it's always the meme
of like I'm here in nineteen ninety four and this
is happening. I'm here in two thousand and four and
this is happening, and that's just what it feels like.
We're in August, coming on ten years and it just
feels like again where James Gnn was supposed to be like, hey,
this is the shining light. This is something I'm not saying.
It's anywhere near the problems we had before, especially the
zach Snyer air right where they just fucking took This
guy's Tom Whitdale. This stuff like hopefully not but it's
just like and Marvel. Look, we just thought about Marrow.
They've had tons of problems too lately, right but like
with DC, they've just never had a smooth patch And
I was hoping that was this and it's just like again,
it's like last week, this fucking project canceled or delayed. Okay,
this week best script I've ever read, one of the
best script I read. But we're gonna get rewritten. It
just feels like again, it's just here we are, twenty
twenty five May talking about like DC. It's like, what's
going on here? So I don't know what do you
have to take from anything if you think this overreact
for me or what you think about this stuff. But yeah,
long story short is Clayface has a script. It's getting
rewritten currently.
Speaker 3: Oh my goodness. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I thought things were kind of more cemented in Stone
when I came to this clay Face project.
Speaker 3: I thought things for a little bit.
Speaker 1: More best one of the best group is I read
to you would think that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you think that?
Speaker 2: So, I mean the only Clayface that I've again seen
so far and under this new umbrella is the one
from Creature Commandos. So I don't know, maybe maybe the
powers to be You're looking at that and like, yeah,
we want the clay Face to be more like that
and not what is written in these these scripts, which
would be a very very bad mistake. It should be
the other way around. Yeah, I don't think that this
is as problematic as other other things are. You know,
with the script being written, is it a problem, yes,
but it's not for longevity's sake, problematic in comparison to
other projects have been canceled and whatnot, like the Trench movie.
You remember that one ages ago.
Speaker 1: The Trench. Yeah, I was supposed to be a trench
slash black Man to movie.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So at the end of the day, I I think
that they can make a few loss losses right now,
they can take a few hits because of it's still
being so early on and we haven't even had like
have we had their first theatrical one Superman.
Speaker 3: That's Superman.
Speaker 1: Yes, that's the real that's the real test. M h.
Speaker 3: So we got we got time, we got time. And
I don't know, maybe.
Speaker 2: They say that they're rewriting the scripts, but maybe it
could just be like, all right, in the long run,
let's just wait and see how Superman does, just to
kind of gauge have been more more before we sink
some more money into this project and we get the
ball really really rolling, because clay Face is one of
those more obscure dare I say, niche characters. Everyone knows
about clay Face and you don't think, oh, he's a
Batman villain.
Speaker 1: You definitely don't think anything to knows who Clay Faces.
Speaker 3: I'll have to test her and ask her. I don't.
I don't think so. And if she would, yeah, clay Faces.
Speaker 2: She would probably assume it's something Marvel related, to be honest.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So yeah, we'll see and again Superman has to
come out, that has to happen. We'll see again that
it's all again, this could all be for no because
Superman could come out and fucking underperformer bomb and there
goes the DC Hugh and you know, we hardly knew you,
but just just feels odd. And again I'm saying it
is just maybe you don't gonna say statements for that
because I like to believe. I like to try, and
especially with people I like believe them, So I believe. Okay,
if you're on this project, but if you're telling me
the script and I'm not saying that means be great. Right.
I don't know what James Gun's like personal likes are.
Maybe it's a shit script and he's like, this is
one of the best that I ever read. But I
kind of hope that means something. But I'll last We'll
just have to wait and see and find what happens
next few weeks. We're rumored to begin to Superman trailer
next week, so I think unless that drops on a
day we're already doing like and or Last Office or
something like that, then that might be me and Kirkland's
main topic for Weekly Geek next week we didn't talk about.
But next week they're dropping a Peacemaker trailer as well,
so they still got stuff going on, still stuff excited.
Just we'll see what happens. But yes, that is the
end of this episode, so thank you very much for
tuning in. We'll be back next week and I promise
you it'll not be boring. Bye bye.