Speaker 1: Welcome to Destiny. Now here's your host, Cliff Dunning.
Speaker 2: So here we are.
Speaker 3: It's time for another Destiny podcast, you know, and we
Speaker 3: haven't had enough talk or any talk on our animals
Speaker 3: or pets, and today we are bringing in an expert,
Speaker 3: a person who has a good understanding of indigenous care
Speaker 3: of animals and the symbionic relationship that is or actually
Speaker 3: comes when you have a domestic animal living with you,
Speaker 3: a cat, a dog, a horse, parakeet, whatever. But today
Speaker 3: we're talking mostly about dogs. And I've got an affinity
Speaker 3: for dogs since i was a kid, and I I've
Speaker 3: always felt that there was something that was very important
Speaker 3: about having an animal live with you and for you
Speaker 3: to care for them and for them to connect with
Speaker 3: you on a lot of different levels. And for me,
Speaker 3: having a dog is very very important, and they become
Speaker 3: not only a part of the family, but they're an
Speaker 3: important integral part of the family dynamic where the kids go,
Speaker 3: where you go, the dog goes.
Speaker 2: And you know, they don't eat your food.
Speaker 3: You're not supposed to feed your dogs scraps, but people do.
Speaker 3: They have their own metabolism physiology that has to have
Speaker 3: a certain type of food and meat and grains and
Speaker 3: vitamins and so forth and so on. If you have
Speaker 3: a dog, you know what I'm talking about. You try
Speaker 3: to feed them the good stuff so that they're healthy, wealthy,
Speaker 3: and they can live a good, healthy life.
Speaker 2: But one of the things that's.
Speaker 3: Been interesting for me is when I learn about people
Speaker 3: who will take in a dog and not consider them
Speaker 3: a part of the family, and simply because they've grown
Speaker 3: tired of the animal, or the animal acts up and
Speaker 3: they can't deal with it, they will turn it into
Speaker 3: the local dog pound. And not only is this a
Speaker 3: terrible thing to do, and I see it a lot
Speaker 3: here in northern California, in the Bay Area where there's
Speaker 3: a heavy heavy population, people just don't know enough about
Speaker 3: animals that they're just not trained. It's almost like before
Speaker 3: you have a dog, you should go through a class
Speaker 3: of some kind to understand the emotions behind having an animal,
Speaker 3: learn how to train an animal, and also how to
Speaker 3: select a dog. When you go to the pound to
Speaker 3: get a dog, a rescue dog. And I've had all
Speaker 3: most of my life, I've had nothing but rescue dogs.
Speaker 3: Some of them are abandoned, a lot of them are
Speaker 3: just puppies from a litter, that that the owner couldn't
Speaker 3: deal with, and they're wonderful. I've had wonderful, wonderful dogs.
Speaker 3: But if you and this doesn't happen too much at all,
Speaker 3: when you are.
Speaker 2: About to adopt a dog or.
Speaker 3: Any animal, you should be given a test to see
Speaker 3: if you have the fortitude, the emotions, the war with
Speaker 3: the wherewithal to train, to look after and understand the
Speaker 3: dynamics of having a pen in your home. Because when
Speaker 3: I see an animal that's been returned to the pound
Speaker 3: or given up because a family's moving away to another
Speaker 3: city or it's not working out, you know that's that's
Speaker 3: a child that is an important part of the family
Speaker 3: dynamic that you're giving up. You shouldn't have gotten an
Speaker 3: animal in the first place. If you're taking it back,
Speaker 3: that's not a I mean, do you have a child.
Speaker 3: Do you birth a child and the child acts up
Speaker 3: and you're just gonna return it to the hospital. That's
Speaker 3: the same kind of thing we see when someone returns
Speaker 3: an animal, a dog to the shelter or to the
Speaker 3: SPCA or wherever where they purchase the animal. And I
Speaker 3: think it's atrocious. I think it's it's sad, but also
Speaker 3: it shows a poor responsibility. If you are adopting a
Speaker 3: dog or any animal, a cat, you should understand that
Speaker 3: this is a dynamic of your family. And you don't
Speaker 3: just return the animal just because you don't have a good
Speaker 3: feeling or the dog acts up. You know, it's an animal,
Speaker 3: it's a part of the family. And we're gonna learn
Speaker 3: a little bit about that today with my guests. And
Speaker 3: so that's my two cents about adoption. When you're gonna
Speaker 3: get an animal, be prepared and remember this is an
Speaker 3: important dynamic. It's an important part of your family. It's
Speaker 3: your child. Your animal is your child. I see this
Speaker 3: for the most part in a very positive fashion. My
Speaker 3: family brothers all have animals, and they understand that this
Speaker 3: is a child. It can be an expensive child. And
Speaker 3: I have to admit that I've had cats in the past.
Speaker 3: My most recent cat passed away a couple of years ago,
Speaker 3: and towards the end it was costing tremendous amounts of
Speaker 3: I mean, vet bills can be extraordinarily high. And I
Speaker 3: have a brother who had a hasit arrier right now
Speaker 3: who's gone through multiple surgeries for hip issues, for various
Speaker 3: health crises. He's spent tens of thousands of dollars.
Speaker 2: But this dog is.
Speaker 3: An important contributor, important dynamic to the family, and there's
Speaker 3: unseen energetics. There is heart centered, brain centered connections that
Speaker 3: are going on. You don't dispose of the animal unless
Speaker 3: it's just a great deal of pain and whatsoever. It's
Speaker 3: important to treat the child. Excuse me, you treat the
Speaker 3: dog as a child, as an important member of the family,
Speaker 3: or not even a child, an important contributor. The animal
Speaker 3: is an important contributor. So the program today is a
Speaker 3: good one because we are learning about the ancestral history
Speaker 3: of animals, most notably dogs, and we have a person
Speaker 3: who is sensitive and has come up with the archetypes
Speaker 3: for different dog personalities. And what you're going to enjoy
Speaker 3: about this show today is the fact that you can
Speaker 3: take this information. You can take the test in the
Speaker 3: book and you can determine where your dog is, which
Speaker 3: archetype the dog is, and there's five archetypes. These are
Speaker 3: Chinese medicine archetypes that our guest today has assigned to
Speaker 3: these different dogs. And it has nothing to do and
Speaker 3: this is an interesting point that I discovered. It has
Speaker 3: nothing to do with the breed. It has to do
Speaker 3: with the dog's personality.
Speaker 2: And that's I love that.
Speaker 3: When I learned that today, I was like, that's fantastic,
Speaker 3: because we always think certain breeds are hyper, certain breeds
Speaker 3: are more subdued. Some are good attack some are good
Speaker 3: guard dogs, some are good lap dogs. Some are good
Speaker 3: for certain family types, others are not so much, and
Speaker 3: so on and so forth. It's like anything else. It's
Speaker 3: like having a kid, a family dynamic, a child in
Speaker 3: your family that has a special personality. And I really
Speaker 3: appreciate animals. I don't have an animal at this time
Speaker 3: because I'm just moving around too much. I really would
Speaker 3: like to get another dog, but I was heartbroken. My
Speaker 3: girlfriend just lost her lab of like I think eighteen
Speaker 3: years or something. And she's like, you know, you go
Speaker 3: through the heartache. Some people take, you know, more than
Speaker 3: a year to get over it. She has no interest
Speaker 3: in getting a dog at all. But when she walks
Speaker 3: by and we're together and she walks by a dog,
Speaker 3: she stops and looks at him and goes, oh, that's
Speaker 3: all I can tell. I can tell she's ready for uh,
Speaker 3: she's ready for getting ready for another family member. So
Speaker 3: today's program is know your dog's true nature, understanding canine
Speaker 3: personality through the five Elements. And my guest is Elizabeth
Speaker 3: Ann Johnson. You probably hear about all these amazing locations,
Speaker 3: these ancient sites we visit on Earth, Ancient Sand, here
Speaker 3: on Destiny, but I gotta tell you there's nothing like
Speaker 3: being there in person. And we have a number of
Speaker 3: tours that we schedule every year, some in far lands
Speaker 3: like Turkey and Egypt, but some are closer to home,
Speaker 3: like Mexico. And we have a great tour coming up
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Speaker 3: November eighth through the seventeenth of this year, one week
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Speaker 2: This tour is designed for those of you who.
Speaker 3: Really want to connect with these ancient places, feel an
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Speaker 3: be a good one. We're going to be going to Ushmol, Cichenitza,
Speaker 3: Lobna Sayil, and every place we go to. You can
Speaker 3: connect by sitting, by meditating, by connecting with these sacred locations.
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Speaker 2: We all have animals.
Speaker 3: We all have dogs and cats, at least I do,
Speaker 3: and I have always loved my animals. But there's different
Speaker 3: dimensions of having pets in our home. And my guest
Speaker 3: today has taken a look at animals through what I
Speaker 3: consider a shamanistic approach, which is the archetypes, the inner
Speaker 3: dimensions of a pet, how we communicate, how to better
Speaker 3: communicate in a new book that she has written called
Speaker 3: Know Your Dog's True Nature Understanding Canine Personality through the
Speaker 3: Five Elements. And my guest today is Elizabeth Ann Johnson,
Speaker 3: and she is a former veterinarian, technician, wildlife biologist and
Speaker 3: rehabilitator and holistic animal healer with over thirty years of experience.
Speaker 3: She works with companions, sports and aging dogs in her
Speaker 3: four Legged Wisdom and Wellness practice, and teaches with her
Speaker 3: wildlife veterinarian husband through their organization called Global Wildlife Resources.
Speaker 3: That's a lot to buy it, Auntor, but you can tell
Speaker 3: obviously that she is very much tuned into the animal world.
Speaker 2: So Elizabeth, welcome to Destiny. Great to have you on
Speaker 2: the program.
Speaker 1: It's great to be here, Cliff, thank you so much
Speaker 1: for having me.
Speaker 3: We spoke just before we started about the dimensions of
Speaker 3: archetypes and it kind of falling in parallel with shamanic teachings,
Speaker 3: wisdom and work. Would you say that you have kind
Speaker 3: of tapped into that in a way as a practitioner,
Speaker 3: that you are leaving the traditional veterinarian my animal wellness
Speaker 3: point of view and looking at the pet the pets
Speaker 3: that we have, most notably dogs, from a deeper level
Speaker 3: earth based practice.
Speaker 1: Yes, Cliff, you know, I think I tapped into that
Speaker 1: at birth ac really, so it's been a long time,
Speaker 1: but I was always deeply connected to the animals, and
Speaker 1: you know, there's there's a lot of wonderful labels out
Speaker 1: there now for animal communicators. And and things like that,
Speaker 1: and you know, I think I just grew up as
Speaker 1: one of those and I have I'm very much an
Speaker 1: EmPATH and and can feel all the vibrations that come
Speaker 1: off of animals and people and you know, illness and wellness,
Speaker 1: and so it's it's just the world that I walk in.
Speaker 1: I wanted to create this book, uh so that some
Speaker 1: of this ancient magic that our indigenous culture of Chinese
Speaker 1: medicine created so early on. And and I really feel
Speaker 1: like all indigenous cultures started with a nature based theme
Speaker 1: because that's what they had to work with for medicine.
Speaker 1: And so the Chinese did that as well, and they
Speaker 1: created this really incredible moving part system for the five
Speaker 1: element theory. And when I discovered that, so my journey
Speaker 1: was yes, a vet tech and then started my healing
Speaker 1: practice with modalities thirty five years ago that were human
Speaker 1: modalities and I was transferring them into the animal world.
Speaker 1: And there was a small handful of us in the
Speaker 1: United States and I'm sure others around the world that
Speaker 1: were actually doing that similar thing, but it wasn't mainstream.
Speaker 1: So now it's much more mainstream where you can get
Speaker 1: wonderful healers in whatever aspect people want to see for
Speaker 1: animals as well as humans. So that's a beautiful piece
Speaker 1: of it is it's really grown and expanded.
Speaker 3: I like how you refer to the indigenous traditions if
Speaker 3: there are with animals, and we know that the dog
Speaker 3: companion dog was big with a lot of different indigenous
Speaker 3: people here in the United States. Would you say you
Speaker 3: have a special affinity with dogs.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I think I do. I have a special
Speaker 1: affinity with nearly all animals. I just really feel that
Speaker 1: I'm nondiscretionary, but I do, you know, we do live
Speaker 1: closely with dogs, and I've had gosh, I've had at
Speaker 1: least seventeen dogs all rescues in my life and two
Speaker 1: more now, so I guess that would add up to
Speaker 1: clubs to nineteen, I think. And so I just you know,
Speaker 1: I'm a pack person. I like to have my pack,
Speaker 1: and I like all the dynamic and interesting socialness or
Speaker 1: non socialness of who each one has, because they are
Speaker 1: the five elements to pick set so well, and it
Speaker 1: really gives us a lot of really solid tools for
Speaker 1: gauging who the animal is and why they do what
Speaker 1: they do. And that's always fascinated me. I often think
Speaker 1: if I had taken another track, it would have been
Speaker 1: you know, animal behavior. But I really don't like statistics.
Speaker 1: I don't believe in those sometimes, and so so I
Speaker 1: really ended up just you know, doing the work and
Speaker 1: learning a lot and having a lot of people touched
Speaker 1: by the five element lens. It was interesting. Quick story
Speaker 1: is when I was working with it. At first, you know,
Speaker 1: i'd have a new client and I would take a
Speaker 1: really good history with behaviors and per personalities and all
Speaker 1: sorts of whatever else the owner felt like they needed
Speaker 1: to share with me of an animal. And then at
Speaker 1: the end I would I'd be palpating the animal, working
Speaker 1: with the body too, and all the vibrational aspects and
Speaker 1: energy field, and I would send the owner home with
Speaker 1: a depiction of what I thought that that animal was
Speaker 1: as an element, as a in the five element theory
Speaker 1: element and archetype. And I had the funniest thing happen.
Speaker 1: I remember the first one, and then there were so
Speaker 1: many after that where people would come to the next
Speaker 1: visit the recheck and they would say, oh my god,
Speaker 1: I finally understand my husband. I know who he is.
Speaker 1: He's a wood element or he's a metal element. And
Speaker 1: I get it now, And they were so relieved that
Speaker 1: they had an archetypal system that they could understand, and
Speaker 1: the understanding makes the world go around. I can't believe
Speaker 1: that they could understand it and they could take that
Speaker 1: into their relationship with their spouse, with family members, with
Speaker 1: co workers, with neighbors, you know, and they could see
Speaker 1: that with people, and it was this sort of fun
Speaker 1: life game for them, you know, in a way. And
Speaker 1: you know, not everyone latched onto it, but many did
Speaker 1: because you know, it created empathy in their hearts and
Speaker 1: it created some acceptance. Even if you couldn't accept certain behaviors,
Speaker 1: you can accept the person now for doing those behaviors.
Speaker 3: So like that analogy where you can actually transfer the
Speaker 3: five elements of the five archetypes as you call them,
Speaker 3: onto the to the humans in your life and perhaps
Speaker 3: get a sense of where they're coming from, why they
Speaker 3: incarnated in this lifetime, and how they relate to you.
Speaker 2: And that's a huge advantage.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, it's actually the second half of the book
Speaker 1: has a lot of information about human than their elements
Speaker 1: and quizzes for that, and then it has the last
Speaker 1: piece of it is weaving the relationships together and when
Speaker 1: we have challenges within the relationships, how do we deal
Speaker 1: with them?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 1: And so it's it was a really important journey for
Speaker 1: me to touch that, you know, from thirty five years ago,
Speaker 1: the first person saying that, to finally writing the book
Speaker 1: and saying this can make the world a better place.
Speaker 1: I'm teaming up with animals to make the world a
Speaker 1: better place. And that's all I wanted from a child,
Speaker 1: was to be able to do that, you know. And
Speaker 1: so so now I have gray hair and I actually
Speaker 1: am doing it.
Speaker 2: So, yeah, you're the wisdom keeper. It's great.
Speaker 1: I'm a wisdom keeper. That's right about.
Speaker 3: If you can't just briefly how you believe native or
Speaker 3: indigenous people worked with their animal allies, perhaps the dogs
Speaker 3: and so on, and how important you think because we
Speaker 3: can look at ourselves today and perhaps we've evolved from
Speaker 3: that pattern of communication.
Speaker 1: Yes, you know, I think that I can't truly speak
Speaker 1: for the Chinese and how they were with their animals.
Speaker 1: I've always tried to discover that, but I do know
Speaker 1: they understood them to be sentient beings that had emotions
Speaker 1: and behaviors just like us. And we know dogs are
Speaker 1: certainly that way. Because they've you know, they made the
Speaker 1: long journey of domestication right beside us, you know, And
Speaker 1: I write about that in the last chapter of the book,
Speaker 1: and and other places where my writings have been where
Speaker 1: we you know, we were someone was sitting by a
Speaker 1: fire and along many many many moons ago, and a
Speaker 1: dog finally came up to them' a wolf and and
Speaker 1: and became a partner in feeding and you know, birthing
Speaker 1: and all of that, and so so I actually have
Speaker 1: had visions of that in my life where I've seen that,
Speaker 1: and I've seen myself way back then in shamanic journeys
Speaker 1: as well as as one of those people that connected
Speaker 1: with the animals so early. So so I think that
Speaker 1: there was a lot of fear surrounding it. But I
Speaker 1: think the ones with the hearts that were maybe a
Speaker 1: little more open and a little less fear based were
Speaker 1: the ones that really made that connection in the dog world.
Speaker 1: And I think, you know, I love our Native American
Speaker 1: indigenous cultures have been really profoundly integrated with nature and
Speaker 1: each animal. And I love that. You know, if I
Speaker 1: see I have my medicine, as I've been told by
Speaker 1: many shamans, is I have a lot of animal medicine,
Speaker 1: but I have an eagle and a humming bird, and
Speaker 1: they and they laugh because they always say, oh, the
Speaker 1: biggest bird and the smallest bird. You know, that's pretty amazing.
Speaker 1: And so I really resonate with eagles and hummingbirds and
Speaker 1: you know, and deer and some of my other medicines.
Speaker 1: Wolf is one of my medicines. Bears, my shamanic guide.
Speaker 1: He's always coming into my dreams. And every time I
Speaker 1: have dreams about with Bear, something changes in my life
Speaker 1: and it's directly in that dream. So so I think
Speaker 1: when we when we can have a foot in both worlds,
Speaker 1: we can help humans that don't merely maybe walk in
Speaker 1: those worlds understand. And that was the goal with the book,
Speaker 1: was to try to keep a foot somewhat in both worlds.
Speaker 1: And and when for the ones that you know are
Speaker 1: open and more more integrated with you know, shamanism or
Speaker 1: any healing cultures, then I think they just they just
Speaker 1: get it. You know, it's easy. And I think it's
Speaker 1: all the journey for all of us, because there's so
Speaker 1: many of us on this planet that that have walk
Speaker 1: a different road and take a different step, you know,
Speaker 1: and some walk backwards and some walk forwards, and so
Speaker 1: so trying to integrate that my next my next book,
Speaker 1: I one of them is going to be my dog
Speaker 1: is an EmPATH, and I think that one will have
Speaker 1: a lot more.
Speaker 2: Of as a good one.
Speaker 1: Actually, yeah, more freedom for stepping into some of those
Speaker 1: other spaces. Especially.
Speaker 2: Do you think animals have a soul? Oh?
Speaker 1: Absolutely, talk about that.
Speaker 3: Feeling, because that's part of this whole idea of this book.
Speaker 3: I think you don't really present it with a great
Speaker 3: deal of detail, But a lot of people think that
Speaker 3: animals have no soul, and so they can be cruel
Speaker 3: and and I think some people just have a I
Speaker 3: don't like animals and they are uh you know.
Speaker 2: Punish them.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, that's that is a very important thing that's
Speaker 1: out there. To try to always shave off the edges
Speaker 1: of that, you know, it's it's pretty difficult. The I
Speaker 1: do believe they have souls. I quite know it because
Speaker 1: I have. I'm a real prolific dreamer, and I have
Speaker 1: animals visiting me after they pass all the time, and
Speaker 1: I have animals alive visiting me as well. And I
Speaker 1: think you know that sort of travel is it's not
Speaker 1: linear it's it's akin to soul travel and spirit travel.
Speaker 1: And and you know, I have I have dogs or
Speaker 1: horses that I see and they will come into a
Speaker 1: dream and they'll say, where have you been, you know,
Speaker 1: and I go, oh, I haven't seen this one for
Speaker 1: a while. And the next day, the very next day,
Speaker 1: their mom usually it's women calling their mom calls and says, oh,
Speaker 1: can you come see so and so? You know, and so,
Speaker 1: it's a there is a whole system out there, as
Speaker 1: we all know that, well most of us know that
Speaker 1: you can communicate with all of all of that and so,
Speaker 1: and I believe, I believe there's a solid soul and
Speaker 1: even you know, a mouse that gets in your house,
Speaker 1: you know. So, And I think having my hands on
Speaker 1: literally probably tens of thousands of animals and all different species,
Speaker 1: and you know, hearing the heartbeat of you know, a
Speaker 1: lion or a gorilla or it's just an incredible experience.
Speaker 1: And when you when you have experienced those, you can't
Speaker 1: not believe there's a soul in there, you know, It's
Speaker 1: it's really amazing.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I'm glad to hear that. I believe animals
Speaker 3: have a soul. I've had many many animals, and they're
Speaker 3: just when they come into your life, they're just so
Speaker 3: unique and so helpful. We don't even realize how healing
Speaker 3: animals are. And so this is this book is wonderful.
Speaker 2: Talk about what.
Speaker 3: Inspired you to develop this five element or five archetype program.
Speaker 3: You give us a little hint of it. When you
Speaker 3: were younger, maybe your shamanic journey, your metaphysical esoteric work
Speaker 3: brought this up at some level in your life and
Speaker 3: you said or you felt that maybe this can apply
Speaker 3: to animals. When was that aha moment when you were
Speaker 3: working with this you do?
Speaker 1: That was somewhere in my probably my early twenties, and
Speaker 1: so I just really I was actually working in an
Speaker 1: office for just a little while with a chiropractor as
Speaker 1: a medical assistant and a nature path. He was married
Speaker 1: to a nature path and that was his wife, and
Speaker 1: so she was in the in the program too, or
Speaker 1: excuse me, in the office, and so she really I
Speaker 1: had grown up not really with holistic but with a
Speaker 1: lot of I grew up on the East Coast, so
Speaker 1: you know, a family lineage of very powerful people, meaning
Speaker 1: powerful in the spirit world and all of that. So
Speaker 1: that was something that was a journey for me early
Speaker 1: on and made me highly sensitive as well. Helped really
Speaker 1: open up my sensitivity. But then when I started really
Speaker 1: having a career with animals, I brought that holistic medicine
Speaker 1: in from working in that office, and then I took
Speaker 1: classes here and there and learned you know, reiki and cranio,
Speaker 1: sacral therapy and all sorts of energy healing modalities, and
Speaker 1: I just paired them up with my physical medicine modalities,
Speaker 1: you know, the ones that were more mainstream, and I
Speaker 1: just dovetailed them and they will dovetail beautifully for the
Speaker 1: most part. I'm not big on pharmaceuticals, but I do
Speaker 1: feel there's a place for them sometimes. However, the rest
Speaker 1: of it is just, you know, a beautiful process. If
Speaker 1: you do the dance right and you're really conscious with
Speaker 1: every animal and they're humans, and the humans goals for
Speaker 1: the animal, and you're being an advocate as well for
Speaker 1: the animal, and that's a whole another thing to learn
Speaker 1: when you're doing healing work as advocacy for the animal,
Speaker 1: and how do you do that, How do you do
Speaker 1: that dance in a way that's effective and non non protective.
Speaker 1: Where do you place yourself in that you know, it
Speaker 1: can be tricky. So that was really some of my
Speaker 1: moments were having such success. I talked to my veterinarian
Speaker 1: when I was I don't know, I probably was twenty six,
Speaker 1: I guess twenty seven, and I said, I want to
Speaker 1: do healing work on animals. What do you think And
Speaker 1: he said, and he was an equine veterinarian, horse veterinarian,
Speaker 1: and he said do it. We need that and I
Speaker 1: said okay, And in three days I had a full
Speaker 1: time business. I mean three days literally my business.
Speaker 2: I mean I'm here in the area. And reiki.
Speaker 3: I've seen people do reiki on horses with great effect.
Speaker 3: And to see a horse respond to someone doing energy
Speaker 3: work is just it's amazing because people are like, oh, reiki,
Speaker 3: what are you talking about? But they're channeling this universal
Speaker 3: life force energy and the horse is like, give me this.
Speaker 1: Man, you're speaking my language. Yeah, that's what it feels like.
Speaker 1: They're saying to me. Oh, finally somebody you know, is.
Speaker 2: Like understands what I'm all about. I'm an energetic being. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Talk a bit about the first time you began applying
Speaker 3: these archetypes. Is there a can you remember a time
Speaker 3: where you had adopted this philosophy of archetypes, and you
Speaker 3: were with an animal, maybe at your own animal, and
Speaker 3: thought he's a fire a dog or maybe a water
Speaker 3: spirit in this animal. Talk about that because you will
Speaker 3: apply it in a second.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I I don't remember the first time, but I
Speaker 1: do remember distinctly. One of the courses I took was
Speaker 1: from a veterinarian acupuncturist and chiropractor, and he carry Ridgeway.
Speaker 1: He's pass he's passed on, but he was just a
Speaker 1: dynamic fire person. And and fire people are really social
Speaker 1: and animals they're super social and they like being adored,
Speaker 1: so they bring a lot of attention to themselves, just
Speaker 1: like fire and nature. You know, they're they're warm, and
Speaker 1: you want to go stand next to them kind of things,
Speaker 1: you know. And so so Carrie was a wonderful instructor.
Speaker 1: And I had studied with a couple of Chinese fellows
Speaker 1: and another couple of women, and I was getting my
Speaker 1: feet on the ground with it. But when Carrie just
Speaker 1: seated it all in for me, and I just sort
Speaker 1: of remember the day when the world sort of shook
Speaker 1: for me, and it like shook everything into place with
Speaker 1: the five element theory and and animals that I was
Speaker 1: working with. I I finally like saw the framework of
Speaker 1: each LM for specific animals. And then of course, driving home,
Speaker 1: I was I was typing my husband, I was typing,
Speaker 1: you know, everyone, classifying everyone I knew, and went, oh,
Speaker 1: that's why they do that, you know, that's always the response,
Speaker 1: that's why they do that. And in the last gosh,
Speaker 1: a couple of months doing the book launch, I have
Speaker 1: had numerous interviews, numerous numerous I can't even I've lost count.
Speaker 1: But most of the time when I'm explaining the archetypes,
Speaker 1: people that are on that have animals that are my
Speaker 1: my moderators or interviewers, they're either pointing at a picture
Speaker 1: behind them on their on the wall that's one of
Speaker 1: their dogs or a horse, or they're they're going, oh,
Speaker 1: that's my dog, that's you know, And sometimes it's one word.
Speaker 1: I did a live lecture a couple of weeks ago,
Speaker 1: and and I I was talking about the lack of
Speaker 1: sentimentality in the metal dog and how they don't really
Speaker 1: like being touched. They're very purposeful animal, and this woman
Speaker 1: just raised her hand with that's my dog, And I
Speaker 1: finally figured it out, Oh my god, you know, because
Speaker 1: every time she goes to give him a little kiss
Speaker 1: or something, he turns its head away and he just,
Speaker 1: you know, like, no, I don't really like that. I
Speaker 1: don't like you know, gushy sentimentality. That's not me. I'm
Speaker 1: this purposeful dog, you know.
Speaker 3: And I think it's wonderful that you're able to identify
Speaker 3: these behaviors because people really can touch base on a
Speaker 3: deeper level with their animals, and perhaps you can understand
Speaker 3: what's the purpose, why are they acting.
Speaker 2: In a certain way.
Speaker 3: Let's talk about the five elements or archetypes, and if
Speaker 3: you can't briefly describe maybe the personality type that goes
Speaker 3: along with it, which you're starting to do right now.
Speaker 3: But give us the basics and then we'll carry on.
Speaker 1: Okay, So, first of all, what I usually start with
Speaker 1: is the fact that two things. One is this is
Speaker 1: a nature centric approach, and so I want everybody to
Speaker 1: think about when I'm describing the animal element archetype, I
Speaker 1: want you to think about the actual element in nature,
Speaker 1: what that element is in our world in nature. So
Speaker 1: that's gonna help. It's kind of a cheat sheet for
Speaker 1: you to remember some of the traits for the dogs.
Speaker 1: And the second thing is is that one of the
Speaker 1: things that the Chinese did with this nature based system
Speaker 1: is they made they brought in seasons. So we're gonna
Speaker 1: do a seasonal approach and we're going to go around
Speaker 1: a little cycle really quick. So the first season is spring,
Speaker 1: and spring is that time when everything is just busting
Speaker 1: out of the ground, the trees are getting their leaves,
Speaker 1: everything is full of potential. There's potential in the air.
Speaker 1: Right spring, We're all excited. The warm weather's coming and
Speaker 1: things are growing like crazy. And that's the wood element time,
Speaker 1: and the wood element dog is full of potential. They
Speaker 1: are we call them sometimes we call them the army sergeants.
Speaker 1: They are competitive, they're athletic, they're very fast learners. They
Speaker 1: love challenges, and movement is their medicine. And so I'm
Speaker 1: going to include a little pieces of support here for
Speaker 1: these animals. If somebody goes, oh, that's my dog. They eat.
Speaker 1: Dogs cannot lay still and do nothing. They can't hang
Speaker 1: around in a house all day. They are often separation
Speaker 1: anxiety dogs. They need they need to work or have
Speaker 1: a job or be an agility. They're just they're just
Speaker 1: like springtime. You know, they're full of this energy and
Speaker 1: they're very determined too. They're really determined. So they make
Speaker 1: great police dogs, military dogs. They're afraid of almost nothing.
Speaker 1: They really love a bonded handler, you know, somebody who's
Speaker 1: really good with them and teaching them all the time,
Speaker 1: but also giving them boundaries because they need boundaries because
Speaker 1: they just want to bust forth all the time, and
Speaker 1: they're so smart and an athletic they can do that.
Speaker 1: So that's sort of the picture of a wood element
Speaker 1: and where we One thing that we look at with
Speaker 1: these animals to classify them is their stress response, and
Speaker 1: that's really important. So I'll talk about the stress response
Speaker 1: for each animal and the wood element. If we were
Speaker 1: talking about a human, we would use the word anger,
Speaker 1: so they revert to anger a human does when a
Speaker 1: wood element human does. Dogs don't do anger, but they
Speaker 1: do irritation. They do frustration, like if you're overtraining them
Speaker 1: and they've got it, like I got that, just move on.
Speaker 1: You know. They do protectiveness and that can lead to aggression.
Speaker 1: So you know, anger is a human word, and I
Speaker 1: don't like to use anger. I like to use the
Speaker 1: other words because they're more applicable for the dogs. So
Speaker 1: if you've got a dog, and these dogs often utilize
Speaker 1: that aggression, which isn't imbalance in their being, but still
Speaker 1: in the police world, in the military world, and the
Speaker 1: protection world, these dogs are utilized for that aggression oftentimes.
Speaker 1: So there's you know, challenges with that, always keeping this
Speaker 1: animal balanced by giving a movement, giving them good challenges, fun,
Speaker 1: you know, take him. It's it's a dog for you know,
Speaker 1: a twenty five year old young male that goes up
Speaker 1: in backpacks for a week at a time. You know,
Speaker 1: that's the pack. Yeah, very very active and they're incredible
Speaker 1: working dogs because they're so smart. So that's the wood
Speaker 1: element and the fire element is next, and that's the
Speaker 1: summer time element and the fire element. I call them
Speaker 1: a diva or a party animal because they're super super
Speaker 1: social and they're they just they need to be adored
Speaker 1: and they need to be social. And these are the
Speaker 1: dogs that you know, you're walking across down a sidewalk
Speaker 1: and you look across the street and there's this dog
Speaker 1: and as soon as you look at them, they go
Speaker 1: wait ont they wag their tail and they were so
Speaker 1: happy to see you. And then you're walking a little
Speaker 1: further and the owner's paralleling the other side of the
Speaker 1: through with the dog, and you glance again because you
Speaker 1: feel like you have to, and it does it again.
Speaker 1: And then the next thing you know, you see you
Speaker 1: feel yourself just being pulled across the street to go
Speaker 1: say hi to that dog and pet the dog, and
Speaker 1: the dog looks at you like they've known you forever,
Speaker 1: and you feel like you've known that animal forever. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's really substantial. These are like just these I call
Speaker 1: it charismatic magnetism. That's what they have, is is this warmth.
Speaker 1: And when you think again, I said this a little
Speaker 1: bit earlier about fire, when are you know centuries millennials ago, millennium,
Speaker 1: excuse me, we were we discovered fire, and it was
Speaker 1: the best thing that ever happened, you know, because we
Speaker 1: could cook our food, we could be warm, we could
Speaker 1: do all that. So we have this innate essence in
Speaker 1: us about fire that just move towards the fire right.
Speaker 1: And the only thing about that is the fire animal
Speaker 1: has a propensity to have what we call a disturbance
Speaker 1: of the shen and that starts with excess joy. So
Speaker 1: these are joyful animals and excess joy sounds like it
Speaker 1: should be a good thing, except when it's not right.
Speaker 1: And so when excess joy fills them up, they get
Speaker 1: to a point where we it turns into what we
Speaker 1: call a disturbance of the shen, which is a body
Speaker 1: minded spirit in Chinese medicine. And so the shen gets
Speaker 1: disturbed in it. It's akin to a panic attack. So
Speaker 1: these dogs go into a panic attack. So I always
Speaker 1: say that their emotional range is from a nice campfire
Speaker 1: cooking your marshmallows to a forest fire burning down houses
Speaker 1: and forests entirely so, and they do have that quick
Speaker 1: emotional range.
Speaker 2: When the same would you say that that animals hyperactive.
Speaker 1: They can be. They can be if they're not getting
Speaker 1: what they need.
Speaker 3: Okay, they're strowing up all this happiness and they can't
Speaker 3: release it somebody.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, they have to be social. I just was
Speaker 1: on a podcast a couple week and a half ago,
Speaker 1: I guess, and and the gal was so excited that
Speaker 1: was interviewing me. She said, I tried one of your
Speaker 1: support mechanisms, which is for the fire element. She said,
Speaker 1: I have a fire dog and I tried the support
Speaker 1: mechanism I used to take him down this forested road
Speaker 1: and go into the forest with him, and he would
Speaker 1: pull on the leash so bad. All the time, I
Speaker 1: worked with all kinds of trainers. We couldn't fix it.
Speaker 1: She's And then I started walking him through the neighborhood
Speaker 1: when people are outside, or taking him into stores or
Speaker 1: walking them in town. He doesn't pull on the leash
Speaker 1: anymore because he's getting adoration from a yeah, well and
Speaker 1: adoring you know, people just are attracted in these animals.
Speaker 1: So they get petted all the time, and that's there.
Speaker 1: That's their mono, you know, that's what they need and
Speaker 1: so so yeah, so they're very interesting. And the one
Speaker 1: thing I want to just really say is that when
Speaker 1: we have fire dogs. Anyone listening to this and you
Speaker 1: think you have a fire dog, the most important thing
Speaker 1: to do is when they are let's say they're in
Speaker 1: a dog park and they're having a blast with other
Speaker 1: dogs and they're playing and and you can see all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, the fire dog's head goes up, the
Speaker 1: tail goes up, it starts wagging really fast, and they
Speaker 1: start nipping other dogs. That's when they hit the disturbance
Speaker 1: of the shen too much fun, too much joy, yeah,
Speaker 1: And so the thing we have to do is we
Speaker 1: have to ground ourselves. And I imagine most people know
Speaker 1: how to do that. But the quick way, the two
Speaker 1: to three second way to do it is bring your
Speaker 1: brain down to your feet and feel them on the ground,
Speaker 1: take a deep breath, and then go back with your
Speaker 1: brain down to your feet, and then walk into that dog.
Speaker 1: Because that dog is a helium balloon now. And if
Speaker 1: you're a helium balloon too, because you're going, oh my god,
Speaker 1: I gotta go get them out of there, then you're
Speaker 1: just two helium balloon's going to fly up in the
Speaker 1: sky and it's not going to work. So you go
Speaker 1: in and you ground that animal, and that's what the
Speaker 1: animal really needs. One of the support mechanisms is an
Speaker 1: owner that's able to ground themselves when that happens and
Speaker 1: be grounded around them, and you know, just adore all there,
Speaker 1: the cuddling.
Speaker 3: Nego take a short commercial break to allow our sponsors
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Speaker 3: guest today, Elizabeth Ann Johnson, discussing her new book, Know
Speaker 3: Your Dog's True Nature, will be right back. My guest
Speaker 3: today is author Elizabeth Ann Johnson. She has written a
Speaker 3: new book called Know Your Dog's True Nature, in which
Speaker 3: she has assigned the five elements in Chinese medicine the
Speaker 3: five archetypes that are identified in our pets personalities. As
Speaker 3: we're talking about these archetypes, I'm curious because you haven't
Speaker 3: given the like a possible dog breed that fits these archetypes.
Speaker 3: But I think I can see that. But the truth
Speaker 3: of the matter is all different types of dog species
Speaker 3: can have these attributes. Even though they might be a
Speaker 3: little docsin or a Chihuahua or something. They could have
Speaker 3: a fire personality, which I love. And this is really
Speaker 3: important in this book is some people might be saying,
Speaker 3: I have a German shepherd and wait a minute, it
Speaker 3: doesn't have any of those fire elements. Maybe it has
Speaker 3: water or metal or earth or something, which is very
Speaker 3: important to get across.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I believe that's in the book somewhere, but
Speaker 1: it's not. It's not embellished very much. But the reason
Speaker 1: is is we breed dogs, we cross breed them so much,
Speaker 1: and we breed for color, and we breed for this
Speaker 1: when we read for that, and so it's really impossible
Speaker 1: to pigeonhole the breeds into an element, but we see trends.
Speaker 1: So we see trends like for the wood dog, we
Speaker 1: see that a lot of German Shepherds Belgium malnaws are
Speaker 1: often wood dogs. Rottweilers can be wood dogs, so we
Speaker 1: see some. But you know, you also can get a
Speaker 1: little docks and that's a wood dog, yes, you know,
Speaker 1: so we kind of look at it from the other
Speaker 1: viewpoint of we don't pigeonhole them in there, but they
Speaker 1: may be. And with all the rescue dogs and cross
Speaker 1: breeds too, it's it's impossible really to do that. But
Speaker 1: so yeah, and so our next dog, Cliff, is the
Speaker 1: late summer dog, and that's Earth, and Earth is an
Speaker 1: amazing dog. It's a nurture, kid, loving caregiver type and
Speaker 1: it's it's just this solid, supportive being in everyone's life.
Speaker 1: And it's a very happy dog too. It's it's kind
Speaker 1: of got the the charisma of the fire dog, but
Speaker 1: not quite as much. It's just this quiet charisma and
Speaker 1: people love them and they are family dogs, you know,
Speaker 1: they love having lots of people around. I always say
Speaker 1: they would invite the burglar in through the window and
Speaker 1: show them where everything is. You know, they're not really
Speaker 1: they have a quiet protection for their kids and other
Speaker 1: animals around them. But it's not it's not any thing
Speaker 1: that's near like the wood dog, you know, with that protectiveness.
Speaker 1: And so they're just wonderful. And when I think of Earth,
Speaker 1: I think about Earth being steady, supportive. I think about
Speaker 1: Earth being and this isn't the dog, this is the
Speaker 1: element in nature. Again. I think about Earth having communities. Right, So,
Speaker 1: forests our communities. We humans are communities and we're sub communities,
Speaker 1: and plants have communities, animals have communities, wildlife has communities.
Speaker 1: So I think about that connection of community in the
Speaker 1: Earth with that dog, because that dog loves it knows
Speaker 1: everybody in town, and everybody knows that I have an
Speaker 1: Earth dog right now, and I take him to the
Speaker 1: grocery store and everybody walks by the car and they're
Speaker 1: attracted to him because he's so friendly. He's just like
Speaker 1: he's friendly different than the fire dog. He's like looking
Speaker 1: out the window, waging his tail and going, oh, I'm Wilbury,
Speaker 1: you know, And everybody goes up to Wilbury, you know.
Speaker 1: And it's different than that that magnetism of the fire dog.
Speaker 1: It's a different kind of magnetism, so they're wonderful and
Speaker 1: their stress response is worry. So they worry when there's
Speaker 1: change in the household. They worry when a kid goes
Speaker 1: off to college. They worry when and animals in their
Speaker 1: farm or home is sick or dying or does pass.
Speaker 1: They worry when there's an argument in the household. They
Speaker 1: worry when a soupcase comes out. So these are all
Speaker 1: the things because they want that home structure. You know.
Speaker 1: It's like in the human world, it's often that that
Speaker 1: woman that you go to for a great hug when
Speaker 1: you need one, and she starts putting out some yummy
Speaker 1: food and it's some tea for you, and you know,
Speaker 1: and that's how the Earth's dogs are. They just are
Speaker 1: nurtures and it's just so beautiful. So the next one
Speaker 1: is the metal dog. We talked briefly about metal, and
Speaker 1: metal in nature is rigid, right, it's not flexible. We
Speaker 1: have to do a lot of work to make a
Speaker 1: piece of metal flexible. But look at what I'm looking at,
Speaker 1: what's behind you on your background, and it's a city
Speaker 1: scape and all of that has metal in it. It's
Speaker 1: a very purposeful thing in our world. And these dogs
Speaker 1: are very purposeful. They're working dogs, but they have to
Speaker 1: have a purpose they're working for. So these metal dogs,
Speaker 1: that's the number one word for them is purposeful. And
Speaker 1: so they don't need the sentimentality. They don't really like
Speaker 1: the touch a whole heck of a lot. They'll put
Speaker 1: up with it for their owner oftentimes, but but it's
Speaker 1: not like they really want to cuddle with you on
Speaker 1: the couch every night, and and and they just they
Speaker 1: just want to be working. They're they're very very intelligent.
Speaker 1: Our nickname for them is the librarian because they are
Speaker 1: very much like the librarians of old, you know, our
Speaker 1: early era Cliff and and where they're They're rigid and
Speaker 1: they want things in place, and they want to know
Speaker 1: that their job is important, you know, putting the books
Speaker 1: back and guiding people. And they don't want a lot
Speaker 1: of fluff. Their stress response is grief, and that's an
Speaker 1: interesting stress response because it's kind of elusive. It can
Speaker 1: look like apathy, but they will grieve the loss of
Speaker 1: a bonded handler. They don't trust well either. That's another
Speaker 1: thing about them. If you break trust with them, it's
Speaker 1: like they take the sword and cut the cord, you know,
Speaker 1: that's yeah, and it's really hard to get back. So
Speaker 1: these aunt it's really important to be the best version
Speaker 1: of yourself because that's what he expects or she expects,
Speaker 1: and that makes the best version of them and your
Speaker 1: partnership together. So so that's metal and they're in autumn,
Speaker 1: I believe I said that, And they're just wonderful animals.
Speaker 1: They have a sense organ. Their sense organ is the nose.
Speaker 1: And I haven't talked too much about sense organs because
Speaker 1: we have a short time, but it's all in the book.
Speaker 1: But their nose, and so I think they have a
Speaker 1: bunch more molecules in their nose than most dogs do,
Speaker 1: you know. And we know that dogs have incredible noses
Speaker 1: across the board, but the metal element because that's the
Speaker 1: way they integrate with the world. The Chinese believed we
Speaker 1: connect with the world through our sense organs, so they
Speaker 1: connect through their nose and definitely more molecules. I've done
Speaker 1: search and rescue in the past, and the very best
Speaker 1: rest search and rescue dogs were metal dogs. Above above all,
Speaker 1: you know, there are not necessarily the ones that can
Speaker 1: hang with going into bombing buildings and things like that,
Speaker 1: like a wood dog can. But they can certainly get
Speaker 1: in the trenches and work really hard and be purposeful.
Speaker 3: Let me ask you, as a side note, when we
Speaker 3: look at these archetypes and these dogs, is there any
Speaker 3: help when we have an animal who's ill and their archetype.
Speaker 3: Can we actually begin formulating a healing remedy or a
Speaker 3: healing path when we see these archetypes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's definitely the again, the five element theory. It's
Speaker 1: got a lot of moving parts. And what I did
Speaker 1: was just pluck out kind of the fun part, which
Speaker 1: was the personality for the book. But in the book,
Speaker 1: it talks about the organs that are related to them,
Speaker 1: the maladies that they can potentially get, and so what
Speaker 1: you're looking at how to prevent some of those maladies,
Speaker 1: you know, And that's a long conversation to go to,
Speaker 1: but it's all in the book. And yeah, and support
Speaker 1: and also old dogs and rescue dogs because rescue dogs
Speaker 1: come in with a lot of baggage. So we we
Speaker 1: integrated a chapter for old dogs and rescue dogs for
Speaker 1: each element as well, and acupoints.
Speaker 3: We want to get into the acu pressure here in
Speaker 3: a bit. Yes, kind of a final note, so let's
Speaker 3: keep that as a side thought, because I want you
Speaker 3: to finish up.
Speaker 2: With water here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but the reason I'm asking about wellness is that
Speaker 3: I currently don't have any animals, but all my relatives do.
Speaker 3: And when a dog gets to a certain age, they
Speaker 3: begin to show, especially an active dog.
Speaker 2: I call it kind of call it wear and tear.
Speaker 3: And you know, in some cases the veterinarian can't determine
Speaker 3: this issue. There's not coming nothing on a blood lab
Speaker 3: testing has not showing anything either, And I'm wondering through
Speaker 3: these archetypes if there's a way to go beyond the
Speaker 3: medical lab work and begin perhaps touching base with intuitive
Speaker 3: connection or whatever.
Speaker 2: That my dog's not well.
Speaker 3: I can see it, I can feel it, they're telling me,
Speaker 3: but I can't get the information about what exactly the problems.
Speaker 1: Yes, that's exactly how I made my living all these years.
Speaker 1: So it definitely is extremely effective bringing having this knowledge
Speaker 1: to integrate with that gives you, gives you some factors
Speaker 1: that you need to consider for each element. For sure.
Speaker 1: You know one thing about the wood element is because
Speaker 1: it's so athletic and it needs that movement, and it
Speaker 1: pushes itself beyond, tries always to push beyond its limits
Speaker 1: because of that potential. Right, So going back to that,
Speaker 1: that dog will get tendon and ligament injuries, and the
Speaker 1: organs associated with that rules the tendons and ligaments. So
Speaker 1: it's a it's a there's all sorts of charts in
Speaker 1: the book so you can look up for each element. That, yeah,
Speaker 1: we we really try to bring in every way to
Speaker 1: learn how to understand and support these animals, and and
Speaker 1: it also goes for human beings as well. And one
Speaker 1: thing quick about the spring wood element dog. I had
Speaker 1: an interesting discovery years ago. I was before we had
Speaker 1: all these online herbal remedy websites. I was making all
Speaker 1: my own herbal remedies and pinctures and tonics and salves
Speaker 1: in my inner shed that I had that had all
Speaker 1: my herbs in it. And one thing I discovered was
Speaker 1: that the wood element, which is a spring animal, did
Speaker 1: really by far, out of all the elements, it did
Speaker 1: the best with herbs, meaning like it healed so much
Speaker 1: faster with herbal remedies. So herbal remedies are often most
Speaker 1: potent in the spring, right, not all of them, but
Speaker 1: a lot of them are. So there's this synergy between
Speaker 1: spring herbal remedy potential and wood spring potential. So so
Speaker 1: the two just stufftailed so beautifully. And I always for
Speaker 1: the years I've been telling everybody that you know, now
Speaker 1: you're working with hopefully great customer service on a website,
Speaker 1: but make sure you think about that. If you have
Speaker 1: a wood dog, you know that because they will respond
Speaker 1: really well to herbs.
Speaker 3: I find it interesting that you're married to a you know,
Speaker 3: a veterinarian, because it's like the same thing with humans.
Speaker 3: You have an allopathic doctor who's training is medicine. We
Speaker 3: have to give them pills, we have to give them
Speaker 3: surgery and the human side of it, herbs nutrition. What
Speaker 3: are you talking about that we don't apply that, And
Speaker 3: so you know, I wonder if if your your husband
Speaker 3: is much more open minded with you because he's seen
Speaker 3: and you're applying this whole different Shamas shamanic world. He's
Speaker 3: kind of scratching his head guard, what the hell is
Speaker 3: she doing?
Speaker 1: Well, he's not in net because he has lived in
Speaker 1: the shamanic world for a long time. He's a wildlife veterinarian,
Speaker 1: so he he works, he doesn't do healing. He teaches
Speaker 1: agencies and wildlife biologists how to how to Unfortunately we
Speaker 1: have to capture them sometimes to put a radio collar
Speaker 1: on him or something. But how to do that in
Speaker 1: a good way. And he's been in Native American ceremony
Speaker 1: for many, many many years. Okay, good, So he's kind
Speaker 1: of Yeah, he's very curious. Yeah, and he's he's helped
Speaker 1: spay and neuter programs all around the world. He's a
Speaker 1: great dog catcher. Dogs love him, so he just you know,
Speaker 1: it's all easy, and he teaches people how to do that. Well.
Speaker 1: He's been to India, I forget five times, and disaster
Speaker 1: response and you know.
Speaker 2: Help he reduce the trauma of yes, up all of it.
Speaker 1: That's his really his goal, and he's really good at
Speaker 1: what he does. He actually was the veterinarian that did
Speaker 1: the wolf free introduction into Yellowstone Park. So he was
Speaker 1: the first veterinarian for the Park Service and that was
Speaker 1: his job to do the will.
Speaker 3: So I think I saw that in your bio. He's
Speaker 3: a wildlife that not necessarily the one that you see
Speaker 3: that takes care of cats and.
Speaker 2: Dogs or No.
Speaker 1: He always says, if somebody comes to the door and
Speaker 1: asks about their dog, he runs against me. So he
Speaker 1: always says that. So yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: Let's finish up with the water because that's the last
Speaker 3: of the archetypes.
Speaker 1: Yes, this is my I love them all, but this
Speaker 1: is my favorite. I have one right now, a little
Speaker 1: one named Pretzel, and in the water element, we call
Speaker 1: them the four legged spiritual Teacher. They are the very simple, sensitive,
Speaker 1: very empathic. They're really good at knowing our feelings well
Speaker 1: before we do, and if we're not being honest about
Speaker 1: our feelings, they look at us like an alien and
Speaker 1: accuse us of emotional sensitive insensitivity. And so they really know,
Speaker 1: like they just know that, Hey, if you're down, deal
Speaker 1: with it, you know, don't try to be singing in
Speaker 1: the kitchen, you know, just just deal with your stuff
Speaker 1: so we can be connected better. Because they're so so sensitive,
Speaker 1: and they're they're like canaries in the coal mine, both
Speaker 1: for us and people around them, but also for energetic
Speaker 1: disturbances like power lines, pesticides, herbicides. They're the dogs that
Speaker 1: often go to six seven, eight vets maybe more and
Speaker 1: can't get a diagnosis on because they're goal in life
Speaker 1: for us and coming into our life. And these dogs
Speaker 1: literally come in when we need them, when we when
Speaker 1: we need to learn something from them. And their goal
Speaker 1: is for us to evolve, to learn more about ourselves,
Speaker 1: about others, and to evolve in the world. And it's
Speaker 1: really interesting because I've had a number of those. They
Speaker 1: are the most re home dogs typically because so I've
Speaker 1: taken on a lot of them, and I just love them.
Speaker 1: They're so deep, they're so in you know, sensitive, they're
Speaker 1: so good at animal communication. They talk way too long
Speaker 1: in the animal communication. You know, it's not you know,
Speaker 1: it's not showing you a little picture. It's not a
Speaker 1: few words. It's a whole giant story.
Speaker 2: They're really plugged into the human way.
Speaker 1: They're plugged into the human for I think for for destiny,
Speaker 1: for them to really learn more and when they can't
Speaker 1: be diagnosed by a it to back up to that.
Speaker 1: We often what they want us to do is to
Speaker 1: get out there and learn all the other all alternative
Speaker 1: or complimentary I call them complimentary, but modalities, and get
Speaker 1: those under our belt to better care for themselves, the
Speaker 1: dogs and them and the human and so. And they
Speaker 1: teach us all sorts of things. The tough thing about
Speaker 1: these dogs is there their stress response is is visceral fear.
Speaker 1: It's not just fear of things it's visceral fear, and
Speaker 1: so they need a handler that understands that and is
Speaker 1: very connected with them. They're always connected with us.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: Some dogs go out and play and they do their thing,
Speaker 1: and they do all that and they lose, you know,
Speaker 1: a little bit, they lose the energy jetic connection. Not
Speaker 1: these dogs. These dogs are always energetically connected into you.
Speaker 1: And so they're intents in that way. And the other
Speaker 1: thing about them is I'd love to talk about, is
Speaker 1: they shape shift all the time. So when we think
Speaker 1: about water in nature, it comes in all forms, right,
Speaker 1: It comes in snow, it comes in ice, miss rain, saltwater, tsunamis, compool, range, rivers,
Speaker 1: little streams, you know. I mean it's on de drops,
Speaker 1: you know, on flower, on grasstops in the morning, you know.
Speaker 1: And so water has all of this shape shifting. It
Speaker 1: does regularly, and so don't these dogs. So when they
Speaker 1: shape shift, they shape shift into another element. And so
Speaker 1: you might see your water dog all of a sudden
Speaker 1: acting like a wood or acting like a metal, or
Speaker 1: acting like a fire dog or an earth dog. And
Speaker 1: so it's really interesting to see that. And that's how
Speaker 1: you know you have a water dog. Off you have a.
Speaker 3: Really complex personality, don't they Yes.
Speaker 1: They're very complex. They're very complex, and and I think
Speaker 1: you know, they're not necessarily for the first dog owner,
Speaker 1: you know, like they're they're they're good for people to
Speaker 1: get the understand dogs and have the ability to appreciate
Speaker 1: the depths that they have. And the visceral fear does
Speaker 1: throw a lot of people off, and that's you know,
Speaker 1: it's the fear that is sympathetic dominance come just takes over.
Speaker 1: So they can't hear you, and they run down the
Speaker 1: road and you can't catch them if they're off leash.
Speaker 1: Hearing is their way of integrating with the world. Their
Speaker 1: sense organ so loud noises like fireworks, gunshots, backfires of cars,
Speaker 1: those will those will just set off that visceral fear,
Speaker 1: right And if you live in a quiet place and
Speaker 1: you don't have that, you might not see it for
Speaker 1: a while. So you might be wondering about the water dog.
Speaker 1: And they've given us this alternative method of the shape
Speaker 1: shifting to classify them. So that's very kind of them.
Speaker 1: But yeah, it can be very very very difficult from
Speaker 1: that standpoint, but very rich and powerful from the good
Speaker 1: standpoint of having them, So.
Speaker 3: Thank you for giving us the five elements. Now in
Speaker 3: the book, and we talked about this before. You have
Speaker 3: a number of quizzes so the reader can begin drilling
Speaker 3: down and finding quite just exactly what archetype their pet is.
Speaker 3: Talk if you all about perhaps one or two of
Speaker 3: these quizzes and how they help the reader determine what
Speaker 3: the element is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there again, everyone has one. So and even the
Speaker 1: human elements have quizzes. They're just a little bit shorter.
Speaker 1: But the dogs quizzes are. There's twenty questions and they're
Speaker 1: all about behaviors that you might see. And then what
Speaker 1: you do is is you basically do number counts on
Speaker 1: the one, two or three, right and if and then
Speaker 1: you add them all up. And you should, really, if
Speaker 1: you're really, really not sure, you should go through all
Speaker 1: the elements and just do all the quizzes for your dog.
Speaker 1: It's it's quick and it's easy. It's like, you know,
Speaker 1: I think, let me tell.
Speaker 3: Me real quickly, Elizabeth. If someone has a nude puppy,
Speaker 3: they're obviously haven't connected with the dog, and so what
Speaker 3: would you say if they have a new dog is
Speaker 3: a time frame for them to begin applying the components
Speaker 3: of the quiz to get the fire or excuse me,
Speaker 3: get the archetype.
Speaker 1: Well if there, if they're a rescue dog. Rescue dogs
Speaker 1: can take a couple of weeks to kind of seed
Speaker 1: in one of the programs I'm trying to pull together
Speaker 1: once you get through kind of the book launch and
Speaker 1: you know all of this is it started when I
Speaker 1: was writing the end of the book and I was
Speaker 1: adding in the rescue dogs, and I thought, you know,
Speaker 1: this is so applicable in the rescue world for organizations
Speaker 1: that have these dogs. And what we'd like to do,
Speaker 1: and I'll try to make this quick cliff is we'd
Speaker 1: like to classify that dog during either the capture because
Speaker 1: summer feral dog being captured and brought into the rescue organization,
Speaker 1: or the release right at the time when that dog
Speaker 1: comes in and the owner is surrendering the dog, because
Speaker 1: we will see the stress response there and that stress
Speaker 1: those stress responses are so unique to each element that
Speaker 1: that stress response should show up early on. And then
Speaker 1: in the rescue organization they're passing their way through it
Speaker 1: with what their needs and wants and supports. I talk
Speaker 1: a lot about all of those in the book. What
Speaker 1: they are for that particular element and most of the
Speaker 1: time I think we'll catch it and then so then
Speaker 1: they're getting the support they need in the kennels and
Speaker 1: then they will be All of that goes in with
Speaker 1: paperwork to the possible new owner and we do sort
Speaker 1: of a it so it's like matchmaking and we do
Speaker 1: sort of a personality test on five element personality tests
Speaker 1: on the owner.
Speaker 3: We're going to take a short commercial break to allow
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Speaker 3: with my guest today, Elizabeth Ann Johnson discussing her latest book,
Speaker 3: Know Your Dog's True Nature.
Speaker 2: We'll be right back.
Speaker 3: My program today is featuring Elizabeth Ann Johnson, who has
Speaker 3: written a new book called Know Your Dog's True Nature.
Speaker 3: And this is a way to really look inside our
Speaker 3: loved ones, which are our pets, to discover their personalities
Speaker 3: and their attitudes. Oh my god, that's wonderful. You actually
Speaker 3: test the owner to see if it's a good match.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're we're gonna have a lot less rehomings.
Speaker 3: We are going to really adapt to that. I don't
Speaker 3: think people do that. I think that's very rare that
Speaker 3: they do.
Speaker 2: What you're asking yeah.
Speaker 1: No. I went to Humane Society Expo and I did
Speaker 1: a lot of round table talks and presentations about it,
Speaker 1: and there was a really positive response, like, yes, we
Speaker 1: need something else new to try to get things going
Speaker 1: and and and stop the rehoming because they get sent
Speaker 1: back in if they're not right. If you've given seventy.
Speaker 2: Five year old personality, yeah.
Speaker 1: Right, seventy five year old woman who doesn't even walk
Speaker 1: all the way down the block she thinks the little
Speaker 1: wood dog is cute. Well, we got a problem on
Speaker 1: our hands, you know, so so we try to we're
Speaker 1: trying to work that through with that because I see
Speaker 1: the potential in it.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yes, you're making a huge point. I've always thought, and
Speaker 3: this is my my feeling is that when someone turns
Speaker 3: a dog in because they can't deal with it, or
Speaker 3: they just are old, they're tired, or they're moving or something,
Speaker 3: that's a tragic event. It is and not only is
Speaker 3: it traumatic for the dog, I mean I think that
Speaker 3: can emotionally hinder any kind of future, I mean the
Speaker 3: healing process. I mean, what do you do about that.
Speaker 3: That's a horrible situation when they we just can't deal
Speaker 3: with the dog anymore. It's like, what this is a
Speaker 3: child in your family? Yes, you're giving away your son,
Speaker 3: your daughter or whatever.
Speaker 2: Is how I look at it? How do you look
Speaker 2: at that?
Speaker 1: Oh, same way. I just look at it a little
Speaker 1: further in that it also seats in the stress response
Speaker 1: even stronger for that animal every time they go back,
Speaker 1: and it sees in the behaviors that that are bad
Speaker 1: that they turned them back in for. So it's I
Speaker 1: really believe these animals are our teachers, and if we
Speaker 1: can learn from them about how to be with them
Speaker 1: in a good way, and we can learn to be
Speaker 1: with humans in a good way, that's a good point.
Speaker 1: And so that that is the essence of the book
Speaker 1: in my heart, you know, And I know I weaved
Speaker 1: that through the whole book as much as I could,
Speaker 1: but it is a really important factor.
Speaker 3: So the books called Know your Dog's True Nature, Understanding
Speaker 3: Canine Personality through the Five Elements. And my guess today
Speaker 3: has been Elizabeth and Onsen. As we conclude, give us
Speaker 3: a couple of case studies of people who perhaps wrote
Speaker 3: to you after using your book and UH were able
Speaker 3: to identify their animal and perhaps the relationship changed when
Speaker 3: they were able to begin working with that archetype.
Speaker 1: Yes, let's see. Let me Oh, so there's been several,
Speaker 1: so let me pick out a good way. That's a
Speaker 1: great question. So one is a little dog is one
Speaker 1: of my neighbors. Well he's not, and he's a lab cross,
Speaker 1: but he is a water element and they couldn't classify
Speaker 1: him with the book. And I, you know, even though
Speaker 1: I say that a water element shape shifts, but they
Speaker 1: she said, he's like a moving target. He's all over
Speaker 1: the place. So she missed that, somehow missed that, and
Speaker 1: it turns out he is a water element. I said,
Speaker 1: did you do the quizzes? She said yeah, but somehow
Speaker 1: that didn't fit and I said yes, but he's he's
Speaker 1: only two, I believe, so he's growing into himself. So
Speaker 1: he's got, you know, a lot of dynamics. And so
Speaker 1: when he becomes this wood element for a day or
Speaker 1: a week, you just expect that high energy, you know,
Speaker 1: wants to learn, wants to go do things, can't sit still,
Speaker 1: you know. But then she said, well sometimes he acts
Speaker 1: like sort of like an earth And I go yeah,
Speaker 1: and do you ever see a metal and she goes,
Speaker 1: well yeah, And so so part of that is remembering
Speaker 1: that the water element shape shifts.
Speaker 2: And that's why I was gonna say, shape shifts is
Speaker 2: a chameleon. It changes its color. Yeah, weird, so strange.
Speaker 3: Now that's a really an amazing example where she couldn't
Speaker 3: she couldn't identify it because the dog goes through these
Speaker 3: different phases. Wow, that's that's a complex animal.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And the other one that was really important was I
Speaker 1: already spoke about it, but it was a woman with
Speaker 1: the metal dog and the sentimentality, and she had to
Speaker 1: come up and tell me, you know, all the stories
Speaker 1: about this dog, and and every single end of each
Speaker 1: story was I can't believe that we figured this out.
Speaker 2: You know, just the.
Speaker 1: Words you said you used made a huge difference. And
Speaker 1: now I get it. I won't try to, you know,
Speaker 1: cuddle with him on the couch anymore. I said, you know,
Speaker 1: allow him to come to you. You know, that's that
Speaker 1: they're very independent, and they're you know, they're purposeful and independent,
Speaker 1: and so just allow that and and you'll have an
Speaker 1: awesome relationship with him. So I just think, you know,
Speaker 1: it's just little tweaks here and there, and and this
Speaker 1: is not you know, I didn't design this. This is
Speaker 1: ancient magic, and I.
Speaker 3: Know it can be a brief have magic in here.
Speaker 3: You're You're right, you're the communistic intuition kind of brought
Speaker 3: in some magic.
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, I'm pulling the element out of the
Speaker 1: hat all the time. It's always there, you know, it's just.
Speaker 3: Not here's a question for you that I and I
Speaker 3: don't know if you can answer this or not. If
Speaker 3: somebody reads your book and says, I like this archetype,
Speaker 3: can they try to go to a kennel and find
Speaker 3: an animal that has.
Speaker 1: That, they possibly can It's.
Speaker 2: Gonna be They're gonna have to be really sensitive though.
Speaker 1: Yes, they'll have to really learn and look at them.
Speaker 1: I have a scenario it's this one's not in the book.
Speaker 1: I don't think it should be, but I think I
Speaker 1: described it in the book, where what these elements look
Speaker 1: like in a kennel situation. And you know, in our day, Cliff,
Speaker 1: when we were younger, we could walk into a kennel
Speaker 1: and we could go into the back kennels and we
Speaker 1: could kind of point and pick a dog. And I
Speaker 1: don't know as many kennels allow that nowadays. I think
Speaker 1: you put in an application and they sort of try
Speaker 1: to figure out big.
Speaker 2: Dogs ken in decades, so I don't know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well yeah, and I think you know some news.
Speaker 1: Still you can go in and you can kind of
Speaker 1: pick your dog, but the way they react inside, like
Speaker 1: let's say you had five, you know, large kennels, not
Speaker 1: little cages, but large kennels. I'll run through it really quick.
Speaker 1: The wood dog's going to be at the front of
Speaker 1: that kennel. He's probably gonna be barking, and he's gonna
Speaker 1: be hopping his legs up on the on the side
Speaker 1: of the chain link or whatever the fencingness. And that's
Speaker 1: going to be the wood dog. There's going to be
Speaker 1: this aggressive like hey, I'm here, take me home now,
Speaker 1: you know, kind of thaying. And the fire dog's going
Speaker 1: to be sitting in the front and it's gonna be wiggling,
Speaker 1: and it's gonna be looking at you right straight in
Speaker 1: the eyes, and it's it's gonna be, oh, take me
Speaker 1: home please, kind of dog, you know. And those are
Speaker 1: the ones that get that get rehomed almost all first
Speaker 1: of the first, you know, before anybody else. The earth
Speaker 1: dog's gonna be kind of pacing a little bit, like
Speaker 1: worried a little bit with his head down but wagging
Speaker 1: his tail, and he's just gonna be, you know, like,
Speaker 1: could you take me home? Please? And he's gonna be
Speaker 1: have that look like please please. And and then the
Speaker 1: metal dog is gonna be sitting somewhere in the kennel,
Speaker 1: probably in the back, not in the front, and he's
Speaker 1: gonna be looking at the tops of the rails trying
Speaker 1: to figure a way out. And that's gonna be the
Speaker 1: metal dog. Yeah, and the water dog's gonna be They
Speaker 1: what they do, and I've seen this so many times,
Speaker 1: is they get they slink, so they get their head
Speaker 1: down and their tails down, and they're real it's low
Speaker 1: to the ground. They can almost get, you know, halfway down,
Speaker 1: and they'll they'll look you and the eyes and then
Speaker 1: they'll slink forward and they'll stop and they'll look at
Speaker 1: you again. And then they'll slink forward and they'll stop
Speaker 1: and they'll look at you again and decide if you're safe.
Speaker 1: They're looking to see if you're safe or not. So really,
Speaker 1: if you just learn all the archetypes and you can
Speaker 1: get into a kennel where you can pick your own dog,
Speaker 1: then you can see those behaviors. And that's the goal.
Speaker 1: With the rescues today is to get to implement a
Speaker 1: structure so that that carries through in their records, how
Speaker 1: they how they do things, because kennel staff are incredibly
Speaker 1: empathic with these animals as well. They may not know it,
Speaker 1: but they are. They're so connected with them, and so
Speaker 1: they usually can once they learn it, and they a
Speaker 1: lot of them were excited at the expo to learn it.
Speaker 1: They're like, Oh, I want to learn more about this.
Speaker 1: This is so cool, you know, and and so yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that's the best I can do for that.
Speaker 3: But what a what a wonderful interview. Thank you know
Speaker 3: your Dog's True Nature. It just came out in September
Speaker 3: and you can get it on Amazon or wherever you
Speaker 3: get your books. Elizabeth, give us your website and also
Speaker 3: what you have on your website as a some information.
Speaker 1: My website is Elizabeth and Johnson and Elizabeth is with
Speaker 1: a Z and is with an E. Johnson dot com
Speaker 1: and there are there's my homepage has some links to purchase.
Speaker 1: It's Amazon all over the world and some other booksellers
Speaker 1: around the world and in the US, and you can
Speaker 1: check that out. There's a fairly lengthy description of the
Speaker 1: book editorial reviews from some wonderful great people veterinarians and
Speaker 1: holistic healers.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I noticed that you have a lot of good reference. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I even have one from a man who's worked for
Speaker 1: Humane Society US and International for many, many many years
Speaker 1: and captured feral dogs on street dogs or dogs in
Speaker 1: disaster response and he's wonderful. And so it's all there.
Speaker 1: And then we have a list of we have an
Speaker 1: event page, so we have a list of events. I'm
Speaker 1: doing lots of little webinars and masterclasses and interviews.
Speaker 3: I'm just going to ask you if you do like
Speaker 3: zoom classes on discovering the archetypes.
Speaker 1: Yes, we're gonna start. I'm going to do a little
Speaker 1: more extensive class structure, but the webinars are pretty pretty
Speaker 1: extensive as well, and not as much as a book.
Speaker 1: You know, the book you get a lot more stories
Speaker 1: and things like that, and just more relation to everything
Speaker 1: and get the human aspect and the relationship aspect. And
Speaker 1: then we have a media page, so there's you can
Speaker 1: watch a whole bunch of things. I have a Ted
Speaker 1: talk on there. It's not about this subject, but probably
Speaker 1: about the next book subject, which is about parallels of
Speaker 1: old dog and human aging and and yeah, so there's
Speaker 1: a lot on there, a lot of fun stuff where
Speaker 1: I'm posting some more this.
Speaker 2: Week.
Speaker 1: I've just got to get everything to my webmaster.
Speaker 3: Well, you're going to thick of it right now, Elizabeth,
Speaker 3: you're just launch your book. So it's interview time. Time
Speaker 3: to enjoy the fruits of your labor as we conclude.
Speaker 3: What would you like the reader to get from your book?
Speaker 1: You know, I just want people to feel like they
Speaker 1: have a bridge to their animal that they didn't have before.
Speaker 1: The word missing link comes into mind a lot, and
Speaker 1: people often say that to me, like I have all
Speaker 1: these missing links. I feel like I'm connected to them,
Speaker 1: but I'm not. And so this magic, in our ancient
Speaker 1: magic from the five element theory, really can create an
Speaker 1: entirely different connection for you with the animals and with
Speaker 1: with the world around you. So, you know, I hope
Speaker 1: that it echoes out into the world around you when
Speaker 1: you when you use your training wheels with your dogs
Speaker 1: and yourself, and then you you start to heal yourself
Speaker 1: inside from you know, everything there are we know, there
Speaker 1: are some things that are you know, unimaginable and un
Speaker 1: you know, unbelievable that happen. That are all horrid. But
Speaker 1: we can we can stop the friction of of things
Speaker 1: everyday life if we learn to use this lens of
Speaker 1: five elements.
Speaker 2: So fantastic.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I see this as a real holistic approach
Speaker 3: not only to working with your pet, but also to
Speaker 3: see yourself on earth. And you're working in harmony with
Speaker 3: your family animals. So really fun, really nice having you
Speaker 3: on the program and much success.
Speaker 1: Yes, thank you, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 2: Wow, there was so much to like in that interview.
Speaker 2: In fact, I went to her website.
Speaker 3: Her website again is Elizabethanjohnson dot com and if you
Speaker 3: go to the menu bar at the very top under events,
Speaker 3: you can see her TED talk. It was a twenty
Speaker 3: minute TED talk she gave in Washington, the state of Washington,
Speaker 3: where she details specifics on her book and also how
Speaker 3: we can use the archetypes quizzes in her book to
Speaker 3: to also identify our own personality traits, our own archetypes.
Speaker 3: And that's really important. And I think she made a
Speaker 3: number of good points on choosing the animal for your lifestyle,
Speaker 3: your personality.
Speaker 2: Type, and.
Speaker 3: You know, so you can you can have a good
Speaker 3: match and you know, she did bring up the fact
Speaker 3: that a lot of people will go in and to
Speaker 3: a kennel or a an SPCA and choose to get
Speaker 3: a poor choice for their family lifestyle. A hyperactive dog,
Speaker 3: a dog that needs a lot of care.
Speaker 2: You don't want that.
Speaker 3: You want a dog that kind of fits your personality style.
Speaker 3: And what a great way to do that with these
Speaker 3: with these quizzes. So get her book just came out,
Speaker 3: Know your Dog's True Nature, And I mean, wow, everybody
Speaker 3: has pets. Everybody has a dog, and this is a
Speaker 3: really great introduction into discovering their personality types and what
Speaker 3: they're here to do. You know, I love it, real fun.
Speaker 3: You know, I was, I was curious about having a
Speaker 3: discussion on dogs here on Destiny, but I think it
Speaker 3: was a good fit. I think it was an excellent fit.
Speaker 3: So I might look into some other future resources for
Speaker 3: people who have pets and wanting to learn more about them.
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