WEBVTT 1 00:00:12.880 --> 00:00:18.320 Welcome to Destiny. Now here's your host, Cliff Dunning. 2 00:00:20.399 --> 00:00:21.160 So here we are. 3 00:00:21.239 --> 00:00:25.800 It's time for another Destiny podcast, you know, and we 4 00:00:25.839 --> 00:00:29.199 haven't had enough talk or any talk on our animals 5 00:00:29.280 --> 00:00:33.039 or pets, and today we are bringing in an expert, 6 00:00:33.359 --> 00:00:38.240 a person who has a good understanding of indigenous care 7 00:00:38.320 --> 00:00:45.119 of animals and the symbionic relationship that is or actually 8 00:00:45.159 --> 00:00:48.520 comes when you have a domestic animal living with you, 9 00:00:49.359 --> 00:00:53.159 a cat, a dog, a horse, parakeet, whatever. But today 10 00:00:53.200 --> 00:00:57.439 we're talking mostly about dogs. And I've got an affinity 11 00:00:57.479 --> 00:01:00.119 for dogs since i was a kid, and I I've 12 00:01:00.119 --> 00:01:02.439 always felt that there was something that was very important 13 00:01:02.439 --> 00:01:06.680 about having an animal live with you and for you 14 00:01:06.760 --> 00:01:10.560 to care for them and for them to connect with 15 00:01:10.640 --> 00:01:14.640 you on a lot of different levels. And for me, 16 00:01:15.719 --> 00:01:21.120 having a dog is very very important, and they become 17 00:01:21.640 --> 00:01:24.159 not only a part of the family, but they're an 18 00:01:24.239 --> 00:01:28.920 important integral part of the family dynamic where the kids go, 19 00:01:29.000 --> 00:01:30.480 where you go, the dog goes. 20 00:01:31.760 --> 00:01:33.920 And you know, they don't eat your food. 21 00:01:33.920 --> 00:01:37.120 You're not supposed to feed your dogs scraps, but people do. 22 00:01:37.640 --> 00:01:42.200 They have their own metabolism physiology that has to have 23 00:01:42.200 --> 00:01:44.879 a certain type of food and meat and grains and 24 00:01:44.959 --> 00:01:47.120 vitamins and so forth and so on. If you have 25 00:01:47.200 --> 00:01:49.200 a dog, you know what I'm talking about. You try 26 00:01:49.200 --> 00:01:52.719 to feed them the good stuff so that they're healthy, wealthy, 27 00:01:52.799 --> 00:01:54.920 and they can live a good, healthy life. 28 00:01:55.719 --> 00:01:58.239 But one of the things that's. 29 00:01:58.040 --> 00:02:01.599 Been interesting for me is when I learn about people 30 00:02:01.599 --> 00:02:06.560 who will take in a dog and not consider them 31 00:02:06.560 --> 00:02:10.039 a part of the family, and simply because they've grown 32 00:02:10.159 --> 00:02:13.039 tired of the animal, or the animal acts up and 33 00:02:13.080 --> 00:02:15.319 they can't deal with it, they will turn it into 34 00:02:15.560 --> 00:02:21.039 the local dog pound. And not only is this a 35 00:02:21.199 --> 00:02:24.520 terrible thing to do, and I see it a lot 36 00:02:24.680 --> 00:02:27.039 here in northern California, in the Bay Area where there's 37 00:02:27.039 --> 00:02:31.560 a heavy heavy population, people just don't know enough about 38 00:02:31.599 --> 00:02:35.120 animals that they're just not trained. It's almost like before 39 00:02:35.159 --> 00:02:37.240 you have a dog, you should go through a class 40 00:02:37.280 --> 00:02:44.080 of some kind to understand the emotions behind having an animal, 41 00:02:45.120 --> 00:02:47.879 learn how to train an animal, and also how to 42 00:02:47.919 --> 00:02:50.879 select a dog. When you go to the pound to 43 00:02:50.960 --> 00:02:53.759 get a dog, a rescue dog. And I've had all 44 00:02:54.240 --> 00:02:56.680 most of my life, I've had nothing but rescue dogs. 45 00:02:57.240 --> 00:02:59.439 Some of them are abandoned, a lot of them are 46 00:02:59.479 --> 00:03:04.280 just puppies from a litter, that that the owner couldn't 47 00:03:04.319 --> 00:03:09.319 deal with, and they're wonderful. I've had wonderful, wonderful dogs. 48 00:03:09.360 --> 00:03:14.639 But if you and this doesn't happen too much at all, 49 00:03:15.000 --> 00:03:15.680 when you are. 50 00:03:15.599 --> 00:03:18.080 About to adopt a dog or. 51 00:03:18.039 --> 00:03:20.680 Any animal, you should be given a test to see 52 00:03:20.680 --> 00:03:25.560 if you have the fortitude, the emotions, the war with 53 00:03:25.639 --> 00:03:30.680 the wherewithal to train, to look after and understand the 54 00:03:30.759 --> 00:03:33.599 dynamics of having a pen in your home. Because when 55 00:03:33.599 --> 00:03:39.080 I see an animal that's been returned to the pound 56 00:03:39.280 --> 00:03:43.280 or given up because a family's moving away to another 57 00:03:43.360 --> 00:03:46.960 city or it's not working out, you know that's that's 58 00:03:47.039 --> 00:03:50.400 a child that is an important part of the family 59 00:03:50.479 --> 00:03:53.000 dynamic that you're giving up. You shouldn't have gotten an 60 00:03:53.000 --> 00:03:55.280 animal in the first place. If you're taking it back, 61 00:03:55.960 --> 00:03:58.319 that's not a I mean, do you have a child. 62 00:03:58.759 --> 00:04:01.080 Do you birth a child and the child acts up 63 00:04:01.120 --> 00:04:04.319 and you're just gonna return it to the hospital. That's 64 00:04:04.360 --> 00:04:07.759 the same kind of thing we see when someone returns 65 00:04:07.759 --> 00:04:12.759 an animal, a dog to the shelter or to the 66 00:04:13.879 --> 00:04:19.680 SPCA or wherever where they purchase the animal. And I 67 00:04:19.720 --> 00:04:24.439 think it's atrocious. I think it's it's sad, but also 68 00:04:25.040 --> 00:04:31.240 it shows a poor responsibility. If you are adopting a 69 00:04:31.319 --> 00:04:37.519 dog or any animal, a cat, you should understand that 70 00:04:37.680 --> 00:04:41.800 this is a dynamic of your family. And you don't 71 00:04:41.839 --> 00:04:44.839 just return the animal just because you don't have a good 72 00:04:44.879 --> 00:04:48.920 feeling or the dog acts up. You know, it's an animal, 73 00:04:48.959 --> 00:04:53.000 it's a part of the family. And we're gonna learn 74 00:04:53.040 --> 00:04:55.560 a little bit about that today with my guests. And 75 00:04:56.759 --> 00:04:59.480 so that's my two cents about adoption. When you're gonna 76 00:04:59.480 --> 00:05:02.879 get an animal, be prepared and remember this is an 77 00:05:02.920 --> 00:05:05.360 important dynamic. It's an important part of your family. It's 78 00:05:05.399 --> 00:05:08.959 your child. Your animal is your child. I see this 79 00:05:09.120 --> 00:05:11.279 for the most part in a very positive fashion. My 80 00:05:11.399 --> 00:05:16.399 family brothers all have animals, and they understand that this 81 00:05:16.439 --> 00:05:19.439 is a child. It can be an expensive child. And 82 00:05:19.600 --> 00:05:23.920 I have to admit that I've had cats in the past. 83 00:05:24.199 --> 00:05:26.480 My most recent cat passed away a couple of years ago, 84 00:05:26.959 --> 00:05:29.519 and towards the end it was costing tremendous amounts of 85 00:05:29.680 --> 00:05:34.079 I mean, vet bills can be extraordinarily high. And I 86 00:05:34.120 --> 00:05:37.199 have a brother who had a hasit arrier right now 87 00:05:37.639 --> 00:05:44.079 who's gone through multiple surgeries for hip issues, for various 88 00:05:44.120 --> 00:05:47.920 health crises. He's spent tens of thousands of dollars. 89 00:05:47.959 --> 00:05:50.639 But this dog is. 90 00:05:50.639 --> 00:05:54.920 An important contributor, important dynamic to the family, and there's 91 00:05:55.040 --> 00:05:59.800 unseen energetics. There is heart centered, brain centered connections that 92 00:05:59.839 --> 00:06:04.639 are going on. You don't dispose of the animal unless 93 00:06:04.680 --> 00:06:09.160 it's just a great deal of pain and whatsoever. It's 94 00:06:09.199 --> 00:06:12.480 important to treat the child. Excuse me, you treat the 95 00:06:12.519 --> 00:06:15.680 dog as a child, as an important member of the family, 96 00:06:15.800 --> 00:06:19.160 or not even a child, an important contributor. The animal 97 00:06:19.199 --> 00:06:23.439 is an important contributor. So the program today is a 98 00:06:23.439 --> 00:06:27.600 good one because we are learning about the ancestral history 99 00:06:27.639 --> 00:06:32.920 of animals, most notably dogs, and we have a person 100 00:06:32.959 --> 00:06:37.439 who is sensitive and has come up with the archetypes 101 00:06:37.439 --> 00:06:40.680 for different dog personalities. And what you're going to enjoy 102 00:06:40.720 --> 00:06:43.000 about this show today is the fact that you can 103 00:06:43.519 --> 00:06:46.000 take this information. You can take the test in the 104 00:06:46.040 --> 00:06:51.680 book and you can determine where your dog is, which 105 00:06:51.560 --> 00:06:57.199 archetype the dog is, and there's five archetypes. These are 106 00:06:57.279 --> 00:07:03.360 Chinese medicine archetypes that our guest today has assigned to 107 00:07:03.560 --> 00:07:06.560 these different dogs. And it has nothing to do and 108 00:07:06.600 --> 00:07:09.279 this is an interesting point that I discovered. It has 109 00:07:09.319 --> 00:07:11.800 nothing to do with the breed. It has to do 110 00:07:11.839 --> 00:07:14.000 with the dog's personality. 111 00:07:13.759 --> 00:07:15.879 And that's I love that. 112 00:07:16.399 --> 00:07:19.079 When I learned that today, I was like, that's fantastic, 113 00:07:19.160 --> 00:07:23.079 because we always think certain breeds are hyper, certain breeds 114 00:07:23.079 --> 00:07:28.560 are more subdued. Some are good attack some are good 115 00:07:28.639 --> 00:07:32.920 guard dogs, some are good lap dogs. Some are good 116 00:07:32.920 --> 00:07:37.399 for certain family types, others are not so much, and 117 00:07:37.480 --> 00:07:39.600 so on and so forth. It's like anything else. It's 118 00:07:39.680 --> 00:07:45.000 like having a kid, a family dynamic, a child in 119 00:07:45.040 --> 00:07:48.839 your family that has a special personality. And I really 120 00:07:48.959 --> 00:07:52.480 appreciate animals. I don't have an animal at this time 121 00:07:52.920 --> 00:07:55.079 because I'm just moving around too much. I really would 122 00:07:55.079 --> 00:07:58.240 like to get another dog, but I was heartbroken. My 123 00:07:58.319 --> 00:08:02.040 girlfriend just lost her lab of like I think eighteen 124 00:08:02.160 --> 00:08:05.439 years or something. And she's like, you know, you go 125 00:08:05.519 --> 00:08:08.000 through the heartache. Some people take, you know, more than 126 00:08:08.040 --> 00:08:10.600 a year to get over it. She has no interest 127 00:08:10.639 --> 00:08:12.439 in getting a dog at all. But when she walks 128 00:08:12.439 --> 00:08:15.480 by and we're together and she walks by a dog, 129 00:08:15.639 --> 00:08:18.800 she stops and looks at him and goes, oh, that's 130 00:08:18.800 --> 00:08:21.680 all I can tell. I can tell she's ready for uh, 131 00:08:22.120 --> 00:08:26.720 she's ready for getting ready for another family member. So 132 00:08:26.879 --> 00:08:31.920 today's program is know your dog's true nature, understanding canine 133 00:08:32.000 --> 00:08:36.720 personality through the five Elements. And my guest is Elizabeth 134 00:08:37.039 --> 00:08:44.559 Ann Johnson. You probably hear about all these amazing locations, 135 00:08:44.600 --> 00:08:47.519 these ancient sites we visit on Earth, Ancient Sand, here 136 00:08:47.559 --> 00:08:50.480 on Destiny, but I gotta tell you there's nothing like 137 00:08:50.559 --> 00:08:53.559 being there in person. 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And my guest 164 00:11:08.600 --> 00:11:13.679 today has taken a look at animals through what I 165 00:11:13.799 --> 00:11:18.480 consider a shamanistic approach, which is the archetypes, the inner 166 00:11:18.519 --> 00:11:23.759 dimensions of a pet, how we communicate, how to better 167 00:11:23.799 --> 00:11:26.720 communicate in a new book that she has written called 168 00:11:26.879 --> 00:11:31.879 Know Your Dog's True Nature Understanding Canine Personality through the 169 00:11:31.960 --> 00:11:36.000 Five Elements. And my guest today is Elizabeth Ann Johnson, 170 00:11:36.919 --> 00:11:41.480 and she is a former veterinarian, technician, wildlife biologist and 171 00:11:41.559 --> 00:11:47.639 rehabilitator and holistic animal healer with over thirty years of experience. 172 00:11:48.279 --> 00:11:52.399 She works with companions, sports and aging dogs in her 173 00:11:52.600 --> 00:11:56.720 four Legged Wisdom and Wellness practice, and teaches with her 174 00:11:56.799 --> 00:12:03.440 wildlife veterinarian husband through their organization called Global Wildlife Resources. 175 00:12:03.440 --> 00:12:05.519 That's a lot to buy it, Auntor, but you can tell 176 00:12:05.559 --> 00:12:09.679 obviously that she is very much tuned into the animal world. 177 00:12:09.799 --> 00:12:12.720 So Elizabeth, welcome to Destiny. Great to have you on 178 00:12:12.759 --> 00:12:13.679 the program. 179 00:12:14.159 --> 00:12:16.519 It's great to be here, Cliff, thank you so much 180 00:12:16.519 --> 00:12:17.159 for having me. 181 00:12:17.679 --> 00:12:22.440 We spoke just before we started about the dimensions of 182 00:12:23.000 --> 00:12:30.320 archetypes and it kind of falling in parallel with shamanic teachings, 183 00:12:30.360 --> 00:12:34.840 wisdom and work. Would you say that you have kind 184 00:12:34.840 --> 00:12:38.200 of tapped into that in a way as a practitioner, 185 00:12:38.240 --> 00:12:43.759 that you are leaving the traditional veterinarian my animal wellness 186 00:12:43.799 --> 00:12:47.679 point of view and looking at the pet the pets 187 00:12:47.679 --> 00:12:51.960 that we have, most notably dogs, from a deeper level 188 00:12:52.360 --> 00:12:55.519 earth based practice. 189 00:12:55.799 --> 00:12:59.000 Yes, Cliff, you know, I think I tapped into that 190 00:12:59.080 --> 00:13:02.679 at birth ac really, so it's been a long time, 191 00:13:02.759 --> 00:13:06.759 but I was always deeply connected to the animals, and 192 00:13:08.159 --> 00:13:11.159 you know, there's there's a lot of wonderful labels out 193 00:13:11.200 --> 00:13:15.159 there now for animal communicators. And and things like that, 194 00:13:15.360 --> 00:13:18.480 and you know, I think I just grew up as 195 00:13:18.559 --> 00:13:22.519 one of those and I have I'm very much an 196 00:13:22.559 --> 00:13:27.480 EmPATH and and can feel all the vibrations that come 197 00:13:27.519 --> 00:13:34.519 off of animals and people and you know, illness and wellness, 198 00:13:34.799 --> 00:13:38.360 and so it's it's just the world that I walk in. 199 00:13:39.600 --> 00:13:43.960 I wanted to create this book, uh so that some 200 00:13:44.000 --> 00:13:49.480 of this ancient magic that our indigenous culture of Chinese 201 00:13:49.519 --> 00:13:53.720 medicine created so early on. And and I really feel 202 00:13:53.759 --> 00:13:59.080 like all indigenous cultures started with a nature based theme 203 00:13:59.279 --> 00:14:03.120 because that's what they had to work with for medicine. 204 00:14:03.200 --> 00:14:06.039 And so the Chinese did that as well, and they 205 00:14:06.080 --> 00:14:13.120 created this really incredible moving part system for the five 206 00:14:13.159 --> 00:14:18.519 element theory. And when I discovered that, so my journey 207 00:14:18.639 --> 00:14:22.000 was yes, a vet tech and then started my healing 208 00:14:22.039 --> 00:14:29.080 practice with modalities thirty five years ago that were human 209 00:14:29.200 --> 00:14:33.399 modalities and I was transferring them into the animal world. 210 00:14:33.480 --> 00:14:36.039 And there was a small handful of us in the 211 00:14:36.159 --> 00:14:38.759 United States and I'm sure others around the world that 212 00:14:38.879 --> 00:14:43.600 were actually doing that similar thing, but it wasn't mainstream. 213 00:14:44.240 --> 00:14:47.559 So now it's much more mainstream where you can get 214 00:14:47.639 --> 00:14:53.519 wonderful healers in whatever aspect people want to see for 215 00:14:53.840 --> 00:14:58.279 animals as well as humans. So that's a beautiful piece 216 00:14:58.320 --> 00:15:01.759 of it is it's really grown and expanded. 217 00:15:02.080 --> 00:15:07.600 I like how you refer to the indigenous traditions if 218 00:15:07.600 --> 00:15:10.840 there are with animals, and we know that the dog 219 00:15:11.919 --> 00:15:16.480 companion dog was big with a lot of different indigenous 220 00:15:16.519 --> 00:15:20.039 people here in the United States. Would you say you 221 00:15:20.080 --> 00:15:24.879 have a special affinity with dogs. 222 00:15:23.360 --> 00:15:26.159 Well, yeah, I think I do. I have a special 223 00:15:26.200 --> 00:15:30.720 affinity with nearly all animals. I just really feel that 224 00:15:31.240 --> 00:15:35.720 I'm nondiscretionary, but I do, you know, we do live 225 00:15:35.879 --> 00:15:39.440 closely with dogs, and I've had gosh, I've had at 226 00:15:39.519 --> 00:15:45.879 least seventeen dogs all rescues in my life and two 227 00:15:45.919 --> 00:15:48.240 more now, so I guess that would add up to 228 00:15:48.639 --> 00:15:54.279 clubs to nineteen, I think. And so I just you know, 229 00:15:54.519 --> 00:15:58.279 I'm a pack person. I like to have my pack, 230 00:15:58.399 --> 00:16:03.679 and I like all the dynamic and interesting socialness or 231 00:16:03.759 --> 00:16:08.840 non socialness of who each one has, because they are 232 00:16:09.399 --> 00:16:13.240 the five elements to pick set so well, and it 233 00:16:13.360 --> 00:16:16.679 really gives us a lot of really solid tools for 234 00:16:16.919 --> 00:16:20.639 gauging who the animal is and why they do what 235 00:16:20.679 --> 00:16:24.679 they do. And that's always fascinated me. I often think 236 00:16:24.840 --> 00:16:27.360 if I had taken another track, it would have been 237 00:16:27.960 --> 00:16:31.440 you know, animal behavior. But I really don't like statistics. 238 00:16:31.639 --> 00:16:35.000 I don't believe in those sometimes, and so so I 239 00:16:35.840 --> 00:16:39.200 really ended up just you know, doing the work and 240 00:16:41.039 --> 00:16:44.080 learning a lot and having a lot of people touched 241 00:16:44.159 --> 00:16:48.960 by the five element lens. It was interesting. Quick story 242 00:16:49.080 --> 00:16:53.519 is when I was working with it. At first, you know, 243 00:16:53.600 --> 00:16:56.279 i'd have a new client and I would take a 244 00:16:56.320 --> 00:17:01.399 really good history with behaviors and per personalities and all 245 00:17:01.440 --> 00:17:04.519 sorts of whatever else the owner felt like they needed 246 00:17:04.559 --> 00:17:08.920 to share with me of an animal. And then at 247 00:17:08.960 --> 00:17:11.960 the end I would I'd be palpating the animal, working 248 00:17:11.960 --> 00:17:16.279 with the body too, and all the vibrational aspects and 249 00:17:16.480 --> 00:17:22.880 energy field, and I would send the owner home with 250 00:17:23.519 --> 00:17:27.079 a depiction of what I thought that that animal was 251 00:17:27.359 --> 00:17:30.480 as an element, as a in the five element theory 252 00:17:30.640 --> 00:17:36.079 element and archetype. And I had the funniest thing happen. 253 00:17:36.200 --> 00:17:38.480 I remember the first one, and then there were so 254 00:17:38.599 --> 00:17:42.119 many after that where people would come to the next 255 00:17:42.200 --> 00:17:46.079 visit the recheck and they would say, oh my god, 256 00:17:46.279 --> 00:17:49.359 I finally understand my husband. I know who he is. 257 00:17:49.519 --> 00:17:52.599 He's a wood element or he's a metal element. And 258 00:17:52.680 --> 00:17:56.160 I get it now, And they were so relieved that 259 00:17:56.279 --> 00:18:00.559 they had an archetypal system that they could understand, and 260 00:18:00.599 --> 00:18:03.680 the understanding makes the world go around. I can't believe 261 00:18:03.720 --> 00:18:07.079 that they could understand it and they could take that 262 00:18:07.519 --> 00:18:12.799 into their relationship with their spouse, with family members, with 263 00:18:12.960 --> 00:18:16.200 co workers, with neighbors, you know, and they could see 264 00:18:16.240 --> 00:18:19.160 that with people, and it was this sort of fun 265 00:18:19.319 --> 00:18:21.920 life game for them, you know, in a way. And 266 00:18:22.759 --> 00:18:25.880 you know, not everyone latched onto it, but many did 267 00:18:26.000 --> 00:18:29.880 because you know, it created empathy in their hearts and 268 00:18:29.920 --> 00:18:34.920 it created some acceptance. Even if you couldn't accept certain behaviors, 269 00:18:35.160 --> 00:18:39.000 you can accept the person now for doing those behaviors. 270 00:18:39.039 --> 00:18:42.480 So like that analogy where you can actually transfer the 271 00:18:42.519 --> 00:18:45.440 five elements of the five archetypes as you call them, 272 00:18:46.200 --> 00:18:50.079 onto the to the humans in your life and perhaps 273 00:18:50.119 --> 00:18:53.200 get a sense of where they're coming from, why they 274 00:18:53.200 --> 00:18:57.039 incarnated in this lifetime, and how they relate to you. 275 00:18:57.119 --> 00:19:00.240 And that's a huge advantage. 276 00:19:00.640 --> 00:19:04.000 Yes, yes, it's actually the second half of the book 277 00:19:04.480 --> 00:19:08.680 has a lot of information about human than their elements 278 00:19:08.839 --> 00:19:14.039 and quizzes for that, and then it has the last 279 00:19:14.119 --> 00:19:17.920 piece of it is weaving the relationships together and when 280 00:19:17.920 --> 00:19:22.839 we have challenges within the relationships, how do we deal 281 00:19:22.880 --> 00:19:23.279 with them? 282 00:19:23.440 --> 00:19:23.640 You know? 283 00:19:24.480 --> 00:19:29.440 And so it's it was a really important journey for 284 00:19:29.559 --> 00:19:33.359 me to touch that, you know, from thirty five years ago, 285 00:19:33.519 --> 00:19:37.119 the first person saying that, to finally writing the book 286 00:19:37.279 --> 00:19:40.599 and saying this can make the world a better place. 287 00:19:40.759 --> 00:19:43.559 I'm teaming up with animals to make the world a 288 00:19:43.599 --> 00:19:47.240 better place. And that's all I wanted from a child, 289 00:19:47.599 --> 00:19:49.880 was to be able to do that, you know. And 290 00:19:50.000 --> 00:19:53.599 so so now I have gray hair and I actually 291 00:19:53.680 --> 00:19:54.359 am doing it. 292 00:19:54.519 --> 00:19:57.599 So, yeah, you're the wisdom keeper. It's great. 293 00:19:57.640 --> 00:20:00.720 I'm a wisdom keeper. That's right about. 294 00:20:02.079 --> 00:20:06.079 If you can't just briefly how you believe native or 295 00:20:06.119 --> 00:20:12.720 indigenous people worked with their animal allies, perhaps the dogs 296 00:20:12.759 --> 00:20:16.799 and so on, and how important you think because we 297 00:20:16.799 --> 00:20:21.960 can look at ourselves today and perhaps we've evolved from 298 00:20:22.039 --> 00:20:24.119 that pattern of communication. 299 00:20:25.799 --> 00:20:32.960 Yes, you know, I think that I can't truly speak 300 00:20:33.079 --> 00:20:36.880 for the Chinese and how they were with their animals. 301 00:20:37.000 --> 00:20:40.160 I've always tried to discover that, but I do know 302 00:20:40.240 --> 00:20:45.559 they understood them to be sentient beings that had emotions 303 00:20:45.720 --> 00:20:50.160 and behaviors just like us. And we know dogs are 304 00:20:50.279 --> 00:20:53.720 certainly that way. Because they've you know, they made the 305 00:20:53.799 --> 00:20:58.839 long journey of domestication right beside us, you know, And 306 00:20:58.880 --> 00:21:03.160 I write about that in the last chapter of the book, 307 00:21:03.440 --> 00:21:07.680 and and other places where my writings have been where 308 00:21:07.720 --> 00:21:11.079 we you know, we were someone was sitting by a 309 00:21:11.160 --> 00:21:16.279 fire and along many many many moons ago, and a 310 00:21:16.400 --> 00:21:20.359 dog finally came up to them' a wolf and and 311 00:21:20.359 --> 00:21:25.400 and became a partner in feeding and you know, birthing 312 00:21:25.519 --> 00:21:29.519 and all of that, and so so I actually have 313 00:21:29.680 --> 00:21:33.319 had visions of that in my life where I've seen that, 314 00:21:33.440 --> 00:21:37.319 and I've seen myself way back then in shamanic journeys 315 00:21:37.319 --> 00:21:42.079 as well as as one of those people that connected 316 00:21:42.119 --> 00:21:47.519 with the animals so early. So so I think that 317 00:21:48.400 --> 00:21:50.640 there was a lot of fear surrounding it. But I 318 00:21:50.680 --> 00:21:55.359 think the ones with the hearts that were maybe a 319 00:21:55.400 --> 00:21:57.839 little more open and a little less fear based were 320 00:21:57.839 --> 00:22:01.079 the ones that really made that connection in the dog world. 321 00:22:03.079 --> 00:22:09.880 And I think, you know, I love our Native American 322 00:22:10.359 --> 00:22:19.559 indigenous cultures have been really profoundly integrated with nature and 323 00:22:19.759 --> 00:22:23.480 each animal. And I love that. You know, if I 324 00:22:23.519 --> 00:22:27.119 see I have my medicine, as I've been told by 325 00:22:27.119 --> 00:22:31.720 many shamans, is I have a lot of animal medicine, 326 00:22:31.720 --> 00:22:36.000 but I have an eagle and a humming bird, and 327 00:22:36.039 --> 00:22:39.079 they and they laugh because they always say, oh, the 328 00:22:39.160 --> 00:22:42.559 biggest bird and the smallest bird. You know, that's pretty amazing. 329 00:22:42.960 --> 00:22:46.920 And so I really resonate with eagles and hummingbirds and 330 00:22:47.000 --> 00:22:50.279 you know, and deer and some of my other medicines. 331 00:22:50.319 --> 00:22:55.359 Wolf is one of my medicines. Bears, my shamanic guide. 332 00:22:55.559 --> 00:22:58.720 He's always coming into my dreams. And every time I 333 00:22:58.839 --> 00:23:04.359 have dreams about with Bear, something changes in my life 334 00:23:04.400 --> 00:23:07.319 and it's directly in that dream. So so I think 335 00:23:07.359 --> 00:23:10.640 when we when we can have a foot in both worlds, 336 00:23:11.200 --> 00:23:14.680 we can help humans that don't merely maybe walk in 337 00:23:14.759 --> 00:23:19.000 those worlds understand. And that was the goal with the book, 338 00:23:19.200 --> 00:23:24.839 was to try to keep a foot somewhat in both worlds. 339 00:23:24.880 --> 00:23:28.000 And and when for the ones that you know are 340 00:23:28.119 --> 00:23:35.559 open and more more integrated with you know, shamanism or 341 00:23:35.680 --> 00:23:40.440 any healing cultures, then I think they just they just 342 00:23:40.559 --> 00:23:43.240 get it. You know, it's easy. And I think it's 343 00:23:43.279 --> 00:23:45.640 all the journey for all of us, because there's so 344 00:23:45.759 --> 00:23:50.319 many of us on this planet that that have walk 345 00:23:50.359 --> 00:23:53.279 a different road and take a different step, you know, 346 00:23:53.400 --> 00:23:57.640 and some walk backwards and some walk forwards, and so 347 00:23:57.640 --> 00:24:01.240 so trying to integrate that my next my next book, 348 00:24:01.359 --> 00:24:03.440 I one of them is going to be my dog 349 00:24:03.519 --> 00:24:05.680 is an EmPATH, and I think that one will have 350 00:24:05.720 --> 00:24:06.640 a lot more. 351 00:24:07.160 --> 00:24:08.480 Of as a good one. 352 00:24:08.519 --> 00:24:12.839 Actually, yeah, more freedom for stepping into some of those 353 00:24:12.880 --> 00:24:14.759 other spaces. Especially. 354 00:24:15.519 --> 00:24:18.559 Do you think animals have a soul? Oh? 355 00:24:18.599 --> 00:24:20.359 Absolutely, talk about that. 356 00:24:20.279 --> 00:24:24.240 Feeling, because that's part of this whole idea of this book. 357 00:24:24.359 --> 00:24:26.839 I think you don't really present it with a great 358 00:24:26.880 --> 00:24:29.279 deal of detail, But a lot of people think that 359 00:24:29.400 --> 00:24:31.960 animals have no soul, and so they can be cruel 360 00:24:32.119 --> 00:24:35.359 and and I think some people just have a I 361 00:24:35.480 --> 00:24:39.519 don't like animals and they are uh you know. 362 00:24:39.680 --> 00:24:40.640 Punish them. 363 00:24:41.680 --> 00:24:47.960 Yes, yes, that's that is a very important thing that's 364 00:24:48.039 --> 00:24:53.640 out there. To try to always shave off the edges 365 00:24:53.680 --> 00:24:58.160 of that, you know, it's it's pretty difficult. The I 366 00:24:58.200 --> 00:25:01.400 do believe they have souls. I quite know it because 367 00:25:01.519 --> 00:25:06.240 I have. I'm a real prolific dreamer, and I have 368 00:25:06.359 --> 00:25:10.079 animals visiting me after they pass all the time, and 369 00:25:10.160 --> 00:25:14.400 I have animals alive visiting me as well. And I 370 00:25:14.440 --> 00:25:18.880 think you know that sort of travel is it's not 371 00:25:19.079 --> 00:25:24.240 linear it's it's akin to soul travel and spirit travel. 372 00:25:24.440 --> 00:25:30.200 And and you know, I have I have dogs or 373 00:25:30.240 --> 00:25:34.839 horses that I see and they will come into a 374 00:25:34.920 --> 00:25:37.119 dream and they'll say, where have you been, you know, 375 00:25:37.200 --> 00:25:39.279 and I go, oh, I haven't seen this one for 376 00:25:39.319 --> 00:25:42.480 a while. And the next day, the very next day, 377 00:25:42.559 --> 00:25:47.799 their mom usually it's women calling their mom calls and says, oh, 378 00:25:47.880 --> 00:25:50.480 can you come see so and so? You know, and so, 379 00:25:51.319 --> 00:25:53.799 it's a there is a whole system out there, as 380 00:25:53.839 --> 00:25:56.559 we all know that, well most of us know that 381 00:25:57.119 --> 00:26:00.680 you can communicate with all of all of that and so, 382 00:26:01.119 --> 00:26:05.000 and I believe, I believe there's a solid soul and 383 00:26:05.400 --> 00:26:08.799 even you know, a mouse that gets in your house, 384 00:26:08.960 --> 00:26:14.039 you know. So, And I think having my hands on 385 00:26:15.119 --> 00:26:19.960 literally probably tens of thousands of animals and all different species, 386 00:26:20.000 --> 00:26:25.720 and you know, hearing the heartbeat of you know, a 387 00:26:25.839 --> 00:26:32.559 lion or a gorilla or it's just an incredible experience. 388 00:26:32.640 --> 00:26:36.519 And when you when you have experienced those, you can't 389 00:26:36.519 --> 00:26:39.440 not believe there's a soul in there, you know, It's 390 00:26:39.559 --> 00:26:40.559 it's really amazing. 391 00:26:40.759 --> 00:26:44.599 So yeah, I'm glad to hear that. I believe animals 392 00:26:44.640 --> 00:26:48.519 have a soul. I've had many many animals, and they're 393 00:26:48.559 --> 00:26:50.720 just when they come into your life, they're just so 394 00:26:50.920 --> 00:26:55.839 unique and so helpful. We don't even realize how healing 395 00:26:55.960 --> 00:26:58.920 animals are. And so this is this book is wonderful. 396 00:26:59.519 --> 00:27:01.359 Talk about what. 397 00:27:01.440 --> 00:27:10.559 Inspired you to develop this five element or five archetype program. 398 00:27:11.599 --> 00:27:13.839 You give us a little hint of it. When you 399 00:27:13.839 --> 00:27:19.480 were younger, maybe your shamanic journey, your metaphysical esoteric work 400 00:27:19.559 --> 00:27:23.000 brought this up at some level in your life and 401 00:27:23.079 --> 00:27:26.720