1 00:00:18,440 --> 00:00:21,280 Speaker 1: And we are back with another edition of the Federalist 2 00:00:21,359 --> 00:00:24,960 Radio Hour. I'm Matt Kittle, Senior Elections correspondent at the 3 00:00:24,960 --> 00:00:29,800 Federalist and your experienced Shirpa on today's quest for Knowledge. 4 00:00:30,199 --> 00:00:33,600 As always, you can email the show at radio at 5 00:00:33,759 --> 00:00:38,560 the Federalist dot com, follow us on x at FDR LST, 6 00:00:39,320 --> 00:00:42,240 make sure to subscribe wherever you download your podcast, and 7 00:00:42,280 --> 00:00:45,399 of course to the premium version of our website as well. 8 00:00:45,960 --> 00:00:50,079 I'm joined today by Gregory t Angelo, president of New 9 00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:56,479 Tolerance Campaign. The conservative watchdog group is launching the Hate Map, 10 00:00:57,000 --> 00:01:02,320 an interactive map that tracks instances of political violence perpetrated 11 00:01:02,439 --> 00:01:08,239 by leftist organizations in the United States, that descriptor drawn 12 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:10,719 from the folks at Fox News that put together an 13 00:01:10,760 --> 00:01:14,400 interesting story on all of this recently. I welcome in 14 00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:19,120 to this edition of the Federalist Radio Hour Gregory Angela, 15 00:01:19,159 --> 00:01:20,560 thank you for being here. I appreciate it. 16 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:22,519 Speaker 2: Hey, Matt, the pleasures all mine. 17 00:01:23,200 --> 00:01:26,079 Speaker 1: As we were talking about before we started, you know, 18 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:29,680 doing this thing for real in our podcast format. This 19 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:32,519 is an idea whose time has come. How long have 20 00:01:32,640 --> 00:01:37,959 we seen you know, these leftist organizations, they themselves that 21 00:01:38,079 --> 00:01:39,439 have their own issues. 22 00:01:39,519 --> 00:01:41,120 Speaker 2: Of course, we'll delve. 23 00:01:40,840 --> 00:01:44,799 Speaker 1: Into as we move on through the podcast, but you know, 24 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:50,480 how often have we seen them vilify organizations on the 25 00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:55,879 right for being extreme or calling them white supremacist. We 26 00:01:55,920 --> 00:01:59,319 know the lingo, we know the language, we know the narrative. 27 00:01:59,719 --> 00:02:05,400 But again, congratulations on launching this. Tell us how it 28 00:02:05,439 --> 00:02:10,240 came about and what it entails in what it aims 29 00:02:10,280 --> 00:02:10,560 to do. 30 00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:14,599 Speaker 3: Of course, I'd be happy to well hatemap dot com 31 00:02:14,759 --> 00:02:17,479 came about, I guess first and foremost because the New 32 00:02:17,479 --> 00:02:22,000 Tolerance Campaign, which I lead, has been marshaling grassroots action 33 00:02:22,199 --> 00:02:26,479 pushing back against wayward institutions. And one of those wayward 34 00:02:26,520 --> 00:02:28,840 institutions that's been at the top of our list since 35 00:02:28,879 --> 00:02:31,800 I came on board as the organization's first president back 36 00:02:31,879 --> 00:02:35,400 in May of twenty twenty one is the Southern Poverty 37 00:02:35,639 --> 00:02:36,280 Law Center. 38 00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:38,400 Speaker 2: I probably don't need to tell. 39 00:02:38,199 --> 00:02:41,360 Speaker 3: Your listeners, but for those who need a quick education 40 00:02:41,439 --> 00:02:43,520 and some cliff notes on the Southern Poverty Law Center, 41 00:02:43,639 --> 00:02:47,039 you have an organization that, at least on paper, has 42 00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:49,439 a noble mission, and when it was founded in nineteen 43 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:52,800 seventy one, it executed on that that is, calling out 44 00:02:52,919 --> 00:02:56,599 legitimate hate and violence in the United States and at 45 00:02:56,599 --> 00:02:59,439 the time of the SPLC's founding, we're talking about groups 46 00:02:59,520 --> 00:03:03,360 like the KKK, neo Nazi skinheads, et cetera. I mean 47 00:03:03,879 --> 00:03:07,240 people in groups that were engaging in objective hate and 48 00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:11,879 encouraging violence, often engaging in direct physical violence against people 49 00:03:11,919 --> 00:03:14,919 not just who they disagreed with, but targeting other individuals 50 00:03:14,919 --> 00:03:20,039 because of their immutable characteristics, race, religion, etc. Well, flash 51 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:22,879 ahead till today, and you have the Southern Poverty Law 52 00:03:22,919 --> 00:03:28,000 Center that basically has completely abdicated its mission. People on 53 00:03:28,039 --> 00:03:30,360 the right now know the Southern Poverty Law Center is 54 00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:34,719 basically this catch all for any and all organizations on 55 00:03:34,759 --> 00:03:38,240 the right that don't toe the liberal orthodoxy of the day. 56 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:40,599 You know, you can end up on what they call 57 00:03:40,639 --> 00:03:45,120 their hate map, and that tracks everything now from the 58 00:03:45,199 --> 00:03:47,439 KKK to you know, at one point you had doctor 59 00:03:47,479 --> 00:03:51,800 Ben Carson on the SPLC's hate map. You know, brain 60 00:03:51,879 --> 00:03:54,240 surgeon ran for president and then later went on to 61 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:57,560 become a cabinet secretary under President Trump. But you know, 62 00:03:57,719 --> 00:04:00,000 I think any objective person can take a step back 63 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:02,039 and say, like, look, hey, if you're putting doctor Ben 64 00:04:02,120 --> 00:04:06,120 Carson on the same footing as the KKK, is something 65 00:04:06,159 --> 00:04:06,520 is wrong. 66 00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:08,439 Speaker 2: With your organization. Absolutely. 67 00:04:09,039 --> 00:04:11,639 Speaker 3: But here's the problem is that, you know, for those 68 00:04:11,719 --> 00:04:13,960 not on the right are those who might just kind 69 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:16,800 of be you know, casual observers. You look at the 70 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:19,560 Southern Poverty Law Center and you do still view them 71 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:22,279 as this objective arbiter of hate in the United States. 72 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:23,800 And if you go to their hate map and you 73 00:04:23,839 --> 00:04:26,519 go to their website, think it. You know, I couldn't 74 00:04:26,519 --> 00:04:29,759 blame anyone for assuming that all hate in the United 75 00:04:29,759 --> 00:04:33,560 States is exclusively the domain of the far right, because 76 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:36,319 according to the Southern Poverty Law Center it is. 77 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:39,360 Speaker 2: Now that's definitely not the case, you know. 78 00:04:39,480 --> 00:04:41,360 Speaker 3: You know that, I know that, and I think a 79 00:04:41,399 --> 00:04:44,480 lot of folks around the country know that. But what 80 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:47,600 hasn't gotten out as much as the organized hate that 81 00:04:47,759 --> 00:04:50,120 we're seeing on the left. And I'll tell you what 82 00:04:50,199 --> 00:04:53,879 actually specifically brought about the genesis of this project at 83 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:58,240 New Tolerance Campaign and the hatemap dot com project, we 84 00:04:58,279 --> 00:05:02,240 saw over the course of last and even into the spring, 85 00:05:02,399 --> 00:05:06,480 college campuses that were rocked by anti Semitic protests. And 86 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:08,920 I don't use that term lightly. I'm talking you know, 87 00:05:09,160 --> 00:05:12,279 groups like Students for Justice in Palestine that were legitimately 88 00:05:12,360 --> 00:05:16,120 targeting Jewish students for their faith and met hunting them. 89 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:17,560 Speaker 2: Down, and I mean quite literally. 90 00:05:17,560 --> 00:05:18,879 Speaker 3: You know, you need to look no further than what 91 00:05:18,879 --> 00:05:21,959 happened at Cooper Union when Jewish students literally had to 92 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:25,000 lock themselves in a library to get away from a 93 00:05:25,079 --> 00:05:28,920 mob that was threatening to do them physical harm. Well, 94 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:33,079 after all this went down after the October seventh attacks 95 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:36,879 against Israeli civilians that took over twelve hundred lives took place, 96 00:05:37,319 --> 00:05:40,920 the Southern Poverty Law Center was being called upon to 97 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:44,439 condemn what happened in Israel and to condemn the anti 98 00:05:44,439 --> 00:05:47,720 Semitic haate that we were seeing on college campuses. One 99 00:05:47,759 --> 00:05:50,759 week goes by, two weeks, go by, three weeks, go 100 00:05:50,879 --> 00:05:53,040 by matt and then finally at the fourth week, the 101 00:05:53,040 --> 00:05:56,560 Southern Poverty Law Center ended up issuing this mealy mouthed 102 00:05:56,560 --> 00:06:00,439 statement that you know, basically amounted to all lives matter, right, 103 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:02,360 And I don't know, I recall a time we were 104 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:04,360 told all Lives Matter was racist and it. 105 00:06:04,319 --> 00:06:06,639 Speaker 2: Was right to say right at any rate. 106 00:06:07,040 --> 00:06:09,120 Speaker 3: That's the that's the angle that the Southern Poverty Law 107 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:11,959 Center took. And then here's here's like the big, the 108 00:06:11,959 --> 00:06:16,040 big moment though after the start of twenty twenty four, 109 00:06:17,040 --> 00:06:20,759 I've received a fundraising mailer from the Southern Poverty Law Center. 110 00:06:21,199 --> 00:06:23,199 Clearly they had gotten a lot of blowback because of 111 00:06:23,240 --> 00:06:26,360 their bungled response to October seventh and anti semitism on 112 00:06:26,439 --> 00:06:29,560 college campuses, and so it was this multi page mailer 113 00:06:29,720 --> 00:06:32,120 that featured their hate map and talked about how they 114 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:36,519 were recommitting themselves to fighting anti semitism across the United States. 115 00:06:37,439 --> 00:06:40,759 And guess who was on the list. You know, it 116 00:06:40,879 --> 00:06:42,879 was more individuals and groups. 117 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:43,439 Speaker 2: On the far right. 118 00:06:43,519 --> 00:06:47,040 Speaker 3: It was, you know, the usual suspects. But no mention 119 00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:49,639 at all of Students for Justice in Palestine, no mention 120 00:06:49,720 --> 00:06:52,480 at all of these leftist professors you know that said 121 00:06:52,480 --> 00:06:56,199 they were quote unquote exhilarated to see the attacks on 122 00:06:56,319 --> 00:06:59,279 Israeli civilians on October seventh. And I said, you know, 123 00:06:59,360 --> 00:07:02,360 the one moment where the SPLC actually could have taken 124 00:07:02,399 --> 00:07:04,360 the reins and said, you know, we are going to 125 00:07:04,360 --> 00:07:07,720 be objective arbiters, even if it was just anti semitism. 126 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:09,600 Speaker 2: You know, at least that would have been a start. 127 00:07:09,879 --> 00:07:11,000 But they didn't do that. 128 00:07:11,079 --> 00:07:13,399 Speaker 3: They just fell back to their usual position of saying, well, 129 00:07:13,439 --> 00:07:17,079 all anti semitism included and all hate comes from the right. 130 00:07:17,600 --> 00:07:19,120 Speaker 2: Well that was kind of the last straw for me. 131 00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:21,680 Speaker 3: And so in January of this year, me and my 132 00:07:21,959 --> 00:07:24,160 skeleton crew at the New Tolerance Campaign. 133 00:07:24,199 --> 00:07:26,079 Speaker 2: I don't call a small I say we're a lean 134 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:26,720 and mean. 135 00:07:26,759 --> 00:07:31,240 Speaker 3: Nonprofit right, but we embarked on this hate Map project, 136 00:07:31,319 --> 00:07:34,839 you know, tracking all of the individuals and organizations on 137 00:07:34,920 --> 00:07:40,879 the left who not only inspire and call for physical 138 00:07:40,959 --> 00:07:46,680 violence against their political others, but frequently engage in it. 139 00:07:46,759 --> 00:07:51,160 And you know what's wild, interesting and also frightening that 140 00:07:51,399 --> 00:07:54,399 is that, you know what emerges is a real pattern 141 00:07:54,519 --> 00:07:56,360 that you're seeing. You know, these are not like lone 142 00:07:56,399 --> 00:07:59,920 wolf attacks. There's a steady drumbeat of hate and calls 143 00:07:59,920 --> 00:08:02,759 for violence that the left has been engaging in for years. 144 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:06,879 And our Hate Map project is meant to call all 145 00:08:06,879 --> 00:08:09,959 of that out, you know, don't forget that. In twenty twelve, 146 00:08:11,079 --> 00:08:14,600 the gunman who walked into the Family Research Council's offices 147 00:08:14,600 --> 00:08:16,519 in Washington, d C. With a bunch of Chick fil 148 00:08:16,519 --> 00:08:19,279 A sandwiches looking to kill over fifty people and smear 149 00:08:19,319 --> 00:08:23,639 those chicken sandwiches on his victims' faces. Thankfully he was stopped, 150 00:08:23,680 --> 00:08:27,560 but he was a radical LGBTQ activist who said he 151 00:08:27,639 --> 00:08:31,800 found the Family Research Council because the Southern Poverty Law 152 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:32,879 Center listed. 153 00:08:32,559 --> 00:08:34,159 Speaker 2: Them as a hate group. 154 00:08:34,840 --> 00:08:37,200 Speaker 3: You know, we we can look at, you know, the 155 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:40,919 individual who would be assassin of you know, President Trump 156 00:08:41,600 --> 00:08:43,639 as we understand it. I think, you know, he was 157 00:08:43,679 --> 00:08:46,679 a Democratic donor in the social media showing he has 158 00:08:47,240 --> 00:08:53,039 a leftist sensibilities. The transgender shooter in Nashville who said 159 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:57,039 she would quote unquote kill to get puberty blockers. You know, 160 00:08:57,039 --> 00:08:59,360 I mean, this is not just like lone wolf actions. 161 00:08:59,399 --> 00:09:02,360 You know, you don't come to these conclusions unless you 162 00:09:02,480 --> 00:09:06,879 are radicalized online or otherwise. And it's leftist groups and 163 00:09:06,919 --> 00:09:10,120 individuals that are doing this radicalization and often engaging in 164 00:09:10,120 --> 00:09:12,279 this violence. So you know, it took us seven months, 165 00:09:12,320 --> 00:09:16,159 but we're very proud to launch this project in just 166 00:09:16,240 --> 00:09:20,320 the beginning of August. Hatemap dot com and it's designed 167 00:09:20,320 --> 00:09:23,639 to be a resource for anyone who's curious, but specifically 168 00:09:23,679 --> 00:09:29,000 for civil servants, academics, members of the media of course, 169 00:09:29,039 --> 00:09:31,360 but you know, even the general public who just might 170 00:09:31,399 --> 00:09:34,440 be curious if there are any leftist hate groups that 171 00:09:34,440 --> 00:09:35,960 are operating in their neck of the Woods. 172 00:09:36,159 --> 00:09:39,799 Speaker 1: Well, I think this information is absolutely vital to the 173 00:09:40,039 --> 00:09:45,279 national conversation, especially now more than ever. As you mentioned, 174 00:09:45,879 --> 00:09:50,559 you know, that's the thing about the Southern Poverty Law Center, 175 00:09:50,679 --> 00:09:53,440 that's the thing about leftist groups who claim to be 176 00:09:53,559 --> 00:09:58,919 tracking hate in America and around the world. As you noted, 177 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:02,200 it is all one. But it's more than that. It's 178 00:10:02,279 --> 00:10:07,320 more than information. It is stirring people up to hate. 179 00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:14,279 I mean, isn't it strange to say that the Southern 180 00:10:14,519 --> 00:10:21,080 Poverty Law Center and its hate tracker has done significant damage? 181 00:10:21,919 --> 00:10:25,200 And listen, this is not an argument to, you know, 182 00:10:25,399 --> 00:10:29,480 close off free speech. You have a right to speech, 183 00:10:29,559 --> 00:10:33,519 but there are consequences that come with that, and we 184 00:10:33,679 --> 00:10:37,720 have seen that play out in this country, particularly over 185 00:10:37,759 --> 00:10:40,399 the last the better part of the last decade. And 186 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:44,679 it's more than just a one sided approach to things. 187 00:10:45,159 --> 00:10:47,039 It can be lethal. 188 00:10:47,639 --> 00:10:48,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, most definitely. 189 00:10:48,679 --> 00:10:51,559 Speaker 3: And he I mean, there are definitely consequences to being 190 00:10:51,639 --> 00:10:55,240 placed on the Southern Poverty Law Center's hate map. As 191 00:10:55,279 --> 00:10:58,559 biased as it is, as I said, it still has 192 00:10:58,639 --> 00:11:02,720 this patina of objectivity. Do not forget that. Up until 193 00:11:02,720 --> 00:11:07,480 only recently, Amazon had used the Southern Poverty Law Center 194 00:11:07,600 --> 00:11:11,000 as the one and only criteria that would determine which 195 00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:16,759 nonprofit organizations were and were not allowed to receive financial 196 00:11:16,759 --> 00:11:21,399 contributions via their Amazon Smile donation program. 197 00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:24,080 Speaker 2: That was it. You know who was on that list. 198 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:27,200 Speaker 3: Well, you know, among others, you know, you had Alliance 199 00:11:27,200 --> 00:11:31,480 Defending Freedom. I mean here you have a massive national organization, 200 00:11:31,639 --> 00:11:34,639 faith based of course, but they've argued in one case 201 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:39,799 is before the United States Supreme Court recently, and Amazon 202 00:11:39,840 --> 00:11:43,039 had blocked them from receiving contributions only because the Southern 203 00:11:43,080 --> 00:11:45,960 Poverty Law Center had them on their map. Well, Amazon 204 00:11:46,039 --> 00:11:50,840 Smile shut down that program several months ago in twenty 205 00:11:50,879 --> 00:11:54,840 twenty three. But you know, there are still other groups 206 00:11:54,919 --> 00:11:57,639 and especially members of the media that just look at 207 00:11:57,639 --> 00:12:01,559 the SPLC as the definitive re source of hate in America. 208 00:12:02,120 --> 00:12:05,159 And you know, I would also be able to forgive, 209 00:12:05,320 --> 00:12:09,600 you know, like a casual bystander for believing that hate 210 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:12,360 and hate on the right is worse than it's ever 211 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:14,399 been in the United States. You know, one of the 212 00:12:14,399 --> 00:12:18,120 other groups that's on the SPLC's hate map is Moms 213 00:12:18,159 --> 00:12:20,679 for Liberty. I mean, here's a parental rights group. You know, 214 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:23,600 one of their students are what their kids are being 215 00:12:23,600 --> 00:12:25,879 taught in school and they want to know if there's 216 00:12:25,879 --> 00:12:29,039 any sort of sex education or radical gender education, and 217 00:12:29,159 --> 00:12:32,919 for that, the SPLC puts them on the same level 218 00:12:32,960 --> 00:12:34,960 as terrorists and puts them on their hate map. But 219 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:39,000 here's the most pernicious aspect of specifically the Moms for 220 00:12:39,080 --> 00:12:42,639 Liberty listing is that if you go to the SPLC's website, 221 00:12:42,840 --> 00:12:47,399 they have this banner headline in red and black, very menacing, 222 00:12:47,799 --> 00:12:49,879 and it says the Southern Poverty Law Center is currently 223 00:12:49,919 --> 00:12:53,679 tracking over one thousand, four one hundred and fifty hate 224 00:12:53,679 --> 00:12:55,519 groups in the United. 225 00:12:55,240 --> 00:12:57,080 Speaker 1: States or what they hate groups. 226 00:12:57,159 --> 00:13:00,639 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a lot, right, right, But of that, fourteen 227 00:13:00,759 --> 00:13:05,480 fifty three hundred and ten alone are national chapters of 228 00:13:05,559 --> 00:13:07,360 Moms for Liberty all across the country. 229 00:13:07,679 --> 00:13:09,120 Speaker 2: So so here's the point. 230 00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:11,600 Speaker 3: It's like, you know, not only is the Southern Poverty 231 00:13:11,639 --> 00:13:15,399 Law Centers hate map biased, not only are the numbers inflated, 232 00:13:16,159 --> 00:13:18,159 but there are real consequences to. 233 00:13:18,159 --> 00:13:20,399 Speaker 2: Being put on that map. 234 00:13:20,919 --> 00:13:24,679 Speaker 3: And I think unless an organization like New Tolerance Campaign 235 00:13:24,799 --> 00:13:26,600 is offering a counter to their map, you know, at 236 00:13:26,639 --> 00:13:30,000 the very least tracking hate that comes from the other end. 237 00:13:29,919 --> 00:13:31,080 Speaker 2: Of the political spectrum. 238 00:13:31,080 --> 00:13:33,840 Speaker 3: But also in the process, calling out the hypocrisy of 239 00:13:33,879 --> 00:13:36,840 the SPLC. We're not going to be able to change 240 00:13:36,840 --> 00:13:39,360 that dynamic. That was kind of a secondary motivation of 241 00:13:39,679 --> 00:13:40,879 embarking on this project. 242 00:13:43,679 --> 00:13:47,080 Speaker 4: Can people really not afford McDonald's the Watchdout on Wall 243 00:13:47,120 --> 00:13:50,399 Street podcast with Chris Markowski. Every day, Chris helps unpack 244 00:13:50,399 --> 00:13:52,759 the connection between politics and the economy and how it 245 00:13:52,799 --> 00:13:56,000 affects your wallet. McDonald says, they're missing revenue as they 246 00:13:56,000 --> 00:13:59,000 have to lower their prices even more. Why the consumers 247 00:13:59,039 --> 00:14:01,799 are pulling back if things are so good? Why are 248 00:14:01,879 --> 00:14:05,240 credit card delinquencies hitting a twelve year high. Whether it's 249 00:14:05,279 --> 00:14:07,480 happening in DC or down on Wall Street, it's affecting 250 00:14:07,480 --> 00:14:08,120 you financially. 251 00:14:08,200 --> 00:14:08,720 Speaker 2: Be informed. 252 00:14:08,799 --> 00:14:10,919 Speaker 4: Check out the watchtot on Wall Street podcast with Chris 253 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:14,399 Markowski on Apple, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts. 254 00:14:17,440 --> 00:14:20,159 Speaker 1: And that's what I think that this map attempts to do. 255 00:14:20,360 --> 00:14:24,440 It's to say to the accomplish media, corporate media out there, 256 00:14:25,039 --> 00:14:28,639 listen what you have been told and sold by these 257 00:14:28,759 --> 00:14:33,879 leftist groups. It lacks at the very least context and 258 00:14:33,919 --> 00:14:39,320 outright lies about organizations. So let's set the record straight. 259 00:14:39,360 --> 00:14:43,240 But more so, let's include those groups that truly are 260 00:14:44,159 --> 00:14:53,360 involved in in hate, truly are perpetuating hateful, violent messages 261 00:14:53,720 --> 00:14:56,639 like some of the groups you mentioned, the antisemitic groups 262 00:14:56,639 --> 00:14:59,720 that you mentioned. Let's let the public know because the 263 00:14:59,759 --> 00:15:04,759 sub poverty Law Centers certainly has abdicated that responsibility, among 264 00:15:04,840 --> 00:15:07,639 others which I'll get to momentarily. And as you said, 265 00:15:07,759 --> 00:15:11,720 that's the design here. So what kind of groups are 266 00:15:11,759 --> 00:15:15,960 we talking about on your organization's hate map. 267 00:15:17,639 --> 00:15:19,679 Speaker 3: Over the course of our seven months of research? And 268 00:15:19,720 --> 00:15:21,360 I guess I would just add that was seven months 269 00:15:21,399 --> 00:15:24,159 before we launched. But this is an ongoing project and 270 00:15:24,159 --> 00:15:26,039 it's a list that not only will be maintained, but 271 00:15:26,159 --> 00:15:28,919 I imagine will sadly be growing as time goes on. 272 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:32,200 I don't see the temperature and the discourse in this 273 00:15:32,240 --> 00:15:34,600 country being dialed down anytime soon. 274 00:15:35,360 --> 00:15:38,559 Speaker 1: But over the course wait, wait a minute, because Joe 275 00:15:38,600 --> 00:15:42,919 Biden told us to dial down the temperature in the room. 276 00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:48,039 Hasn't that occurred since since the Great Leader was thrown 277 00:15:48,159 --> 00:15:52,159 thrown under the d NC bus declared that goal. 278 00:15:52,840 --> 00:15:54,919 Speaker 3: I guess, as far as I know, the most recent 279 00:15:55,000 --> 00:15:57,759 quote I heard from Joe Biden is that he doesn't 280 00:15:57,759 --> 00:16:02,440 think that Trump would accept the lection results if it 281 00:16:02,440 --> 00:16:05,519 doesn't go in his favor. Now, with no basis in 282 00:16:06,080 --> 00:16:08,240 you know, and he's not quoting Trump, there's no basis 283 00:16:08,240 --> 00:16:10,799 in reality with that. But you know that alone is 284 00:16:10,840 --> 00:16:13,639 you know, stoking up the same type of energy I 285 00:16:13,639 --> 00:16:16,679 think that you know, inspired the guy who you know 286 00:16:16,679 --> 00:16:21,559 almost took President Trump's life on July thirteenth. But to 287 00:16:21,639 --> 00:16:25,200 your question, what we saw as we were going through 288 00:16:25,240 --> 00:16:27,919 research on this project was, of course like a whole 289 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:31,759 spectrum of hate groups on the left right. Now our 290 00:16:31,799 --> 00:16:35,159 list has over has one hundred and eighty four entries total, 291 00:16:35,600 --> 00:16:36,720 but they basically break. 292 00:16:36,519 --> 00:16:38,240 Speaker 2: Down into four different types. 293 00:16:39,159 --> 00:16:41,360 Speaker 3: You have, as I mentioned earlier, you have you know, 294 00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:44,519 anti Semitic, and I guess even like from a larger perspective, 295 00:16:44,519 --> 00:16:48,559 I would call anti faith groups. You know, like in 296 00:16:48,600 --> 00:16:51,480 addition to anti Semitic organizations like Students for Justice in 297 00:16:51,519 --> 00:16:54,360 Palestine and the Answer Coalition, you also have a group 298 00:16:54,440 --> 00:16:57,720 like Jane's Revenge that has vandalized and you know, in 299 00:16:57,720 --> 00:17:00,200 some cases, you know, I think even you know, UH 300 00:17:00,919 --> 00:17:05,680 had violent attacks against pro life pregnancy centers, you know, 301 00:17:05,960 --> 00:17:09,240 motivated by anti Christian hate. But but there's that that 302 00:17:09,359 --> 00:17:16,200 anti religion, anti faith bucket. You also have radical LGBTQ 303 00:17:17,039 --> 00:17:20,359 individuals and organizations. You know, I mentioned the Nashville transhooter 304 00:17:21,119 --> 00:17:23,440 at the Covenant School. But you know, when you have 305 00:17:23,440 --> 00:17:29,559 the Human Rights Campaign literally declaring a nationwide state of emergency. 306 00:17:29,319 --> 00:17:31,839 Speaker 2: Quote unquote for LGBTQ. 307 00:17:31,279 --> 00:17:35,920 Speaker 3: Americans basically saying, if you are gay, lesbian, transgender in 308 00:17:35,920 --> 00:17:39,680 the United States, you are not safe ever, regardless of 309 00:17:39,680 --> 00:17:40,359 where you go. 310 00:17:40,400 --> 00:17:41,559 Speaker 2: In the United States. 311 00:17:41,880 --> 00:17:44,160 Speaker 3: Well, do you think that might actually like inspire someone 312 00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:47,960 to fight back against a system of oppression that they 313 00:17:48,039 --> 00:17:50,680 think and that they've been told, you know, as they 314 00:17:50,720 --> 00:17:53,880 are actually fighting to literally you know, wipe them off 315 00:17:53,880 --> 00:17:56,400 the off the face of the earth. So there's radical 316 00:17:56,519 --> 00:18:00,599 LGBTQ organizations and individuals we also have. 317 00:18:01,319 --> 00:18:02,759 Speaker 2: And this is kind of an interesting one. 318 00:18:03,079 --> 00:18:05,119 Speaker 3: The well, they're all interesting, but this one maybe especially 319 00:18:05,119 --> 00:18:06,799 because I think it's kind of flown under the radar 320 00:18:07,279 --> 00:18:09,960 in the midst of especially the college protests that we've seen, 321 00:18:09,960 --> 00:18:14,519 but radical climate and in animal rights activists around the country. 322 00:18:14,839 --> 00:18:17,039 You know, they these are not people who are just 323 00:18:17,319 --> 00:18:21,039 making your morning commute difficult because they are throwing themselves 324 00:18:21,039 --> 00:18:24,000 down in the middle of highways and you know, blocking traffic, 325 00:18:24,079 --> 00:18:27,559 and you know ambulances and law enforcement personnel from getting 326 00:18:27,599 --> 00:18:29,759 to where they need to go. I mean that that 327 00:18:29,880 --> 00:18:32,480 that can be bad enough. But you have groups like 328 00:18:32,480 --> 00:18:37,680 Earth First that are engaging in what they call ecological resistance, 329 00:18:38,599 --> 00:18:42,759 which is really industrial sabotage, right, which actually puts lives 330 00:18:42,799 --> 00:18:44,599 in danger, you know when they are when they are 331 00:18:44,640 --> 00:18:47,640 engaging in that in the in those types of actions. 332 00:18:48,079 --> 00:18:50,920 And then we have what we call just uh, you know, 333 00:18:51,359 --> 00:18:55,759 general LGBT A part of me general leftist radical groups, uh. 334 00:18:55,799 --> 00:18:57,440 And you know, we're kind of talking about the big 335 00:18:57,519 --> 00:19:01,039 names that are probably familiar to your to your list listeners. 336 00:19:00,880 --> 00:19:03,759 Speaker 2: Antifa, Black Lives Matter, et cetera. 337 00:19:04,079 --> 00:19:06,839 Speaker 3: You know, these are groups and organizations that will just 338 00:19:06,880 --> 00:19:10,160 protest any and everything on the right any chance they get. 339 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:12,680 And not only do they protest that, but those protests 340 00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:17,880 frequently break down into riot's physical attacks, et cetera. 341 00:19:18,319 --> 00:19:19,519 Speaker 2: So that's that's. 342 00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:21,240 Speaker 3: Kind of the lay of the land, I would say, 343 00:19:21,279 --> 00:19:25,359 of leftist hate in the United States, and that's what 344 00:19:25,400 --> 00:19:28,359 we determine over the course of our research for the 345 00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:29,440 first seven months of the year. 346 00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:32,519 Speaker 1: Those are some good names, and when I say good, 347 00:19:32,559 --> 00:19:36,400 I don't mean good. They are names that legitimately should 348 00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:40,039 be on a list of you know, churning a hatred 349 00:19:40,160 --> 00:19:44,240 and in so many cases violence of course, as we've seen. 350 00:19:44,960 --> 00:19:48,279 We're joined again on this edition of the Federalist Radio 351 00:19:48,319 --> 00:19:52,880 Hour by Gregory t Angelo, president of the New Tolerance Campaign, 352 00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:57,680 the conservative watchdog group just recently launching its Hate Map, 353 00:19:57,720 --> 00:20:01,839 an interactive map that tracks instances political violence perpetrated by 354 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:06,480 leftist organizations in the United States. And let me ask 355 00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:08,559 you this, and it's going to sound like a joke, 356 00:20:08,559 --> 00:20:12,559 but I mean it in all seriousness. Can an entire administration, 357 00:20:13,319 --> 00:20:18,880 that is to say, a presidential administration deemed as be 358 00:20:19,039 --> 00:20:22,519 deemed as a hate group? And I ask that because 359 00:20:23,200 --> 00:20:28,440 the policies that the Biden administration has put forward mandated 360 00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:30,960 over the last three and a half plus years in 361 00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:35,559 this country, at their core, are supposed to be about 362 00:20:35,759 --> 00:20:42,680 fighting against hate. But they're targeting faith based organizations, They're 363 00:20:42,839 --> 00:20:48,279 targeting an entire race of people with their CRT critical 364 00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:55,079 race theory based ideas. They're targeting people who have different ideas, 365 00:20:55,160 --> 00:20:59,640 They're targeting the free speech of those organizations. Have you 366 00:20:59,680 --> 00:21:04,039 consus hittered putting an entire administration on the hate Map? 367 00:21:06,079 --> 00:21:07,200 Speaker 2: I wouldn't go that far. 368 00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:09,599 Speaker 3: You know, I would say this to you, Matt, and 369 00:21:10,119 --> 00:21:12,079 this might come as a surprise to you, But unlike 370 00:21:12,119 --> 00:21:14,960 the Southern Poverty Law Center, when we put our list together, 371 00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:16,359 we had real standards. 372 00:21:18,279 --> 00:21:19,119 Speaker 2: There was a. 373 00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:24,559 Speaker 3: Legitimate threshold that individuals and groups needed to reach, or 374 00:21:24,559 --> 00:21:27,960 in some cases surpass, in order to make the cut, 375 00:21:28,039 --> 00:21:30,839 if you will, for inclusion on our lists. I guess 376 00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:33,200 the point being, you know, we didn't take this lightly 377 00:21:33,319 --> 00:21:38,759 calling persons and organizations hate groups, but there had to be, 378 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:43,240 you know, a real pattern for calling for, or engaging 379 00:21:43,279 --> 00:21:47,240 in or inspiring literal violence. Right. 380 00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:48,880 Speaker 2: So there were a. 381 00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:51,880 Speaker 3: Number of times throughout the course of our initial research 382 00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:56,000 on this project where you know, we saw institutions like 383 00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:58,480 I mean Texas Children's Hospital for example, you know, which 384 00:21:58,559 --> 00:22:02,200 has made headlines recently. Chris Ruffo did a big expose 385 00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:05,200 and you have doctor Ethan Haim who showed that, you know, 386 00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:09,559 the hospital basically disregarded Texas law as I understand it, 387 00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:14,119 and continued engaging in UH sex change treatments for minors 388 00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:17,160 even though they were they were technically forbidden from from 389 00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:17,640 doing so. 390 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:21,079 Speaker 1: Mutilation of children is what they have been engaged in. 391 00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:23,920 Speaker 3: Absolutely, Yeah, But but that alone wasn't enough to get 392 00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:27,720 Texas Children on our map, you know, Texas Children's Hospital 393 00:22:27,759 --> 00:22:29,720 on our map. Uh. You know there are also people 394 00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:36,079 who are just advocating for radical policies and policies alone 395 00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:39,920 if they are radical, aren't aren't enough to to put 396 00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:43,400 someone on our hate map? Now you mentioned like critical 397 00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:47,119 race theory. That's another example, you know, just prostolytizing critical 398 00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:50,279 race theory in the classroom. You know, as as as 399 00:22:50,319 --> 00:22:53,680 bad and as poisonous as that might be, and as 400 00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:57,359 much as it can be indoctrinating. Uh, you know, entire 401 00:22:57,400 --> 00:23:02,160 generation of students with a leftist, anti i would say, 402 00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:06,559 anti American perspective on our culture. Again, it's not like 403 00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:10,359 inspiring hate. What is, though, is you know professors that 404 00:23:10,599 --> 00:23:15,000 are not only teaching critical race theory, but then over 405 00:23:15,039 --> 00:23:18,079 the course of their teachings, their lesson plans, or even 406 00:23:18,079 --> 00:23:23,119 on social media will say things like all white people 407 00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:23,720 need to die. 408 00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:26,960 Speaker 2: You know that That's then all of a. 409 00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:30,720 Speaker 3: Sudden, someone who's pushing critical race theory finds themselves on 410 00:23:30,799 --> 00:23:34,200 our list. So you know, and I want it to 411 00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:37,720 be like very very careful, you know, with certainly like 412 00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:41,400 having genuine criteria when we put this list together, and 413 00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:44,839 certainly at its initial unveiling. You know, there are like 414 00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:47,599 as we were, you know, going through compiling the list. 415 00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:51,160 I mean, my goodness, Matt, there are like I would say, hundreds, 416 00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:57,640 maybe even thousands of instances of public figures or organizations 417 00:23:57,680 --> 00:24:01,559 that have called for violence against Donald Trump, right, I 418 00:24:01,559 --> 00:24:03,920 mean that alone, and we kind of put those in 419 00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:06,960 a separate, separate stack. And by the way, it is 420 00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:09,279 still something that we are are tracking, but we we 421 00:24:09,279 --> 00:24:12,519 didn't include it with the rollout of hatemap dot com 422 00:24:12,519 --> 00:24:16,519 because and we didn't add, like say, an entire administration 423 00:24:16,759 --> 00:24:19,319 to our hate map because I did not want this 424 00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:24,359 to be seen as political or as politicized as the 425 00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:27,480 Southern Poverty Law Centers list is and has become. I mean, 426 00:24:27,519 --> 00:24:29,880 obviously we come from our perspective. I mean, you know, 427 00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:31,599 folks can just look up my bio and you can 428 00:24:31,599 --> 00:24:33,119 see I mean, I've been a died in the world 429 00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:38,960 conservative for for almost ever. But even despite that, I mean, like, 430 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:41,920 you can't deny the facts that are there on our 431 00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:45,119 hate map. You can't deny the receipts that we have 432 00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:48,839 in describing why the people in groups that are on 433 00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:52,400 the list find themselves there. You know, I do not 434 00:24:52,559 --> 00:24:56,519 want hatemap dot com to be seen as the partisan 435 00:24:56,559 --> 00:24:59,920 cudgel that the SPLC's hate map has become. I really 436 00:25:00,079 --> 00:25:02,480 do want it to be used as a legitimate and 437 00:25:02,559 --> 00:25:06,319 objective resource of hate. It might be hate on the left, 438 00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:08,559 and I think you know, and we're very upfront in 439 00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:12,319 describing our list as such, but you know, we're not 440 00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:15,920 carrying water for any particular campaign. This is just all 441 00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:19,440 about calling out, you know, the hate that is fomented 442 00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:23,880 on the left that does end up impacting presidential administration's candidates, 443 00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:24,319 et cetera. 444 00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:27,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, again, it is a map whose time has definitely come. 445 00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:30,359 But let me let me ask you this, how's it 446 00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:33,240 going so far? And I mean that question in the 447 00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:37,839 context of as we talked about later, the Washington Post, 448 00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:42,400 the New York Times, CNN, every news organization, the gannet groups, 449 00:25:42,839 --> 00:25:46,599 the Associated Press, every news organization out there a part 450 00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:50,839 of the accomplice media or corporate media chain, one and 451 00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:54,599 the same. They turn to these groups time and time again, 452 00:25:54,720 --> 00:26:00,559 the Southern Poverty Law Center, organizations like that, the SPLC 453 00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:07,720 in particular, as a source of tracking hatred in America. 454 00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:11,039 But as we've talked about and as most of our 455 00:26:11,079 --> 00:26:14,839 listeners know. I'm sure this is not the group that 456 00:26:15,039 --> 00:26:21,640 has an unbiased tracking, as we've discussed. So how do 457 00:26:21,759 --> 00:26:27,799 you get that mindset from the national news media, the 458 00:26:27,839 --> 00:26:33,119 accomplished media that is already so deeply connected to tied 459 00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:39,359 to the leftist ideas and these leftist groups to say, oh, well, 460 00:26:39,759 --> 00:26:43,279 let's do the same, let's track hatred on the left 461 00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:45,839 as well and use this resource. 462 00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:49,599 Speaker 3: Well, that's what we're doing right now behind the scenes 463 00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:53,200 at New Tolerance Campaign. Is what amounts to basically marketing 464 00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:58,160 the map, right, like letting people know and letting particularly 465 00:26:58,279 --> 00:27:02,440 influential people, journalists, select officials and others know that this 466 00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:05,640 is something that was designed to be used as a resource. 467 00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:07,759 I mean, you know, people can go to hatemap dot com. 468 00:27:07,799 --> 00:27:09,559 You can click around the map, you can find some 469 00:27:09,599 --> 00:27:11,119 of the dots that are close to where you live, 470 00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:14,319 and you know, you can be amazed and shocked at 471 00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:17,119 you know, the leftist violent action that's taking place in 472 00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:19,279 your neck of the woods. But you know, truly this 473 00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:23,279 has been created for like members of the media, for example, 474 00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:28,839 you know, think how different the framing of the anti 475 00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:32,440 Semitic Prohamas college protests that took place in the fall 476 00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:35,680 and spring would be if it wasn't just oh, these 477 00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:38,200 protests took place at Harvard, and then these other protests 478 00:27:38,279 --> 00:27:40,759 took place at University of Texas, and then these other 479 00:27:40,799 --> 00:27:45,160 protests took place at Columbia. If Press was then able 480 00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:50,279 to say, Students for Justice in Palestine has coordinated over 481 00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:53,559 one dozen of these anti Semitic protests that we're seeing 482 00:27:53,599 --> 00:27:56,200 across college campuses. You know, I think that that the 483 00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:58,400 reaction would be far different, and it would also give 484 00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:03,240 elected official, civil servants and even law enforcement, you know, 485 00:28:03,799 --> 00:28:06,720 a better handle on the scope of the problem. 486 00:28:07,319 --> 00:28:09,119 Speaker 2: Uh So, so that's what what. 487 00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:11,079 Speaker 3: I'm doing right now, and that's what my fellow staff 488 00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:14,880 members are doing, is reaching out to those folks that 489 00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:17,759 that I had mentioned, the civil servants, the academics, the 490 00:28:17,759 --> 00:28:20,920 members of the media, and and just you know, members 491 00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:25,559 of the general public and also social media influencers, just 492 00:28:25,599 --> 00:28:28,799 to get the word out about this. That's certainly the 493 00:28:28,839 --> 00:28:32,039 next the next step. And you know, I have under 494 00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:35,440 no illusions that this will happen overnight, but I'll tell 495 00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:38,279 you we were initially planning on launching this project in 496 00:28:38,319 --> 00:28:39,799 the fall, like it was going to come out about 497 00:28:39,799 --> 00:28:42,000 a month from now, like after Labor Day, after the 498 00:28:42,039 --> 00:28:46,599 assassination attempt against President Trump, we accelerated the rollout process 499 00:28:46,799 --> 00:28:49,319 on this uh and also wanted to make sure it 500 00:28:49,359 --> 00:28:53,680 got out before the Democratic National Convention the DNC. Right now, 501 00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:58,279 you have you know, a Prohamas network that is already 502 00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:05,119 organizing as protests in Chicago to coincide with the Democratic 503 00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:07,960 National Convention, specifically targeting the convention. 504 00:29:08,079 --> 00:29:09,319 Speaker 2: And I wanted to make sure that. 505 00:29:09,359 --> 00:29:13,279 Speaker 3: Media that are covering those protests, should they turn violent 506 00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:16,359 and have passed this prologue. Sadly, I think they will, 507 00:29:17,519 --> 00:29:19,680 you know, are able to use this map as a 508 00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:23,119 resource and a reference in that coverage. And that's outside 509 00:29:23,119 --> 00:29:27,400 of the conservative journalism ecosphere, which we're aggressively reaching out to. 510 00:29:27,519 --> 00:29:30,200 But you know, I would hope and as you said, that, 511 00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:34,279 you know, like your big names in mass media, your 512 00:29:34,279 --> 00:29:37,319 New York Times, your Washington Post, AP, Reuters, et cetera, 513 00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:39,839 would see this map for what it is and that's 514 00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:44,640 a resource to help them adequately frame the problem of 515 00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:46,640 leftist hate in the United States. 516 00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:51,079 Speaker 1: Now, don't get me wrong, this this map is so 517 00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:56,559 consequential and so badly needed. But when you talk about 518 00:29:56,640 --> 00:30:01,160 you know these same news outlets if they only had 519 00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:05,240 this map at the time that these pro Hamas organizations, 520 00:30:06,119 --> 00:30:11,480 these pro Hamas protests were taking place at universities across 521 00:30:11,519 --> 00:30:15,519 the country. They need only not be lazy and not 522 00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:21,039 be of leftist mindset to know that the organizations behind 523 00:30:21,079 --> 00:30:24,680 all of this you're talking about do what they do. 524 00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:28,200 I'm glad that we have a one stop shop for 525 00:30:28,279 --> 00:30:31,839 this information. It's so vital, But a lot of this 526 00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:36,920 stuff is a laziness and wilful laziness. They just simply 527 00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:40,119 don't care about telling the other side of the story. 528 00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:43,640 Along with that, I know that you're not tracking this, 529 00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:45,400 but I want to get your perspective on it, because 530 00:30:45,519 --> 00:30:48,720 not only do we talk about the organizations that have 531 00:30:48,839 --> 00:30:54,200 churned hatred, that are involved in actual acts of violence 532 00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:57,640 in this country on the left, but what about again, 533 00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:03,559 those organizations that have abbs, absolutely abdicated their responsibility in 534 00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:08,279 tracking abuses. Southern poverty is a perfect example of that. 535 00:31:08,599 --> 00:31:12,160 I think the ACLU is a great example. I remember 536 00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:20,440 covering a very dark, corrupt, and sinister series of investigations 537 00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:23,279 in Wisconsin years back. They were known as the John 538 00:31:23,359 --> 00:31:30,039 Doe investigations, and they were ruled unconstitutional. A perfect storm 539 00:31:30,079 --> 00:31:34,000 of wrongs committed on average conservative citizens in the state 540 00:31:34,039 --> 00:31:41,480 of Wisconsin, and the ACLU said nothing about it. The ACLU, 541 00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:47,240 which is constantly going after law enforcement for raiding the 542 00:31:47,279 --> 00:31:53,880 homes of criminal suspects, had nothing to say about pre 543 00:31:54,039 --> 00:31:58,759 dawn raids on the homes of conservatives whose only crimes 544 00:31:58,799 --> 00:32:03,240 were that they were involved in politics and policy in 545 00:32:03,279 --> 00:32:08,480 the state of Wisconsin. Again, I know you're not necessarily 546 00:32:08,759 --> 00:32:12,680 tracking those groups, but they have something to say about 547 00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:15,839 all of this too, with their lack, their absence of 548 00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:19,799 responsibility in doing what they originally set out to do. 549 00:32:20,759 --> 00:32:23,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, what you're getting out there really is 550 00:32:23,119 --> 00:32:27,200 the greater mission of the New Tolerance campaign. So hatemap 551 00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:30,240 dot com is just one of the projects that that 552 00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:35,680 we engage in at NTC. It is and is intended 553 00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:40,079 to be the flagship campaign that we run it. As 554 00:32:40,079 --> 00:32:43,440 I said, it's meant to be this big, ongoing project 555 00:32:43,519 --> 00:32:46,599 and resource that is going to continue to grow. I 556 00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:49,839 hope you know, both in you know, engagement and in 557 00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:53,319 those who avail themselves of it in their work, their writing, 558 00:32:53,319 --> 00:32:57,279 their punditry, et cetera. But NTC was founded to hold 559 00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:00,480 all institutions accountable when they fail to live up to 560 00:33:00,519 --> 00:33:04,359 their stated values. I mean that includes colleges, universities, it 561 00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:08,359 includes you know, these woke corporations. But to your point, 562 00:33:08,839 --> 00:33:12,359 it also includes these activist nonprofits that, at least on 563 00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:15,920 paper and at their foundings, had noble missions, but over 564 00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:18,640 time have just had an ever leftward drift and now 565 00:33:18,799 --> 00:33:21,880 many of them are essentially just carrying water for the DNC. 566 00:33:22,759 --> 00:33:25,160 And so, you know, we've talked at length about the 567 00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:28,240 Southern Poverty Law Center, but the ACLU is another one 568 00:33:28,279 --> 00:33:33,160 of those nonprofit institutions that we have regularly targeted to 569 00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:37,559 whold account targeted for accountability via grassroots action at NTC, 570 00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:39,759 through our digital messaging pressure campaigns. 571 00:33:39,759 --> 00:33:41,039 Speaker 2: You know, I tell people. 572 00:33:41,079 --> 00:33:44,440 Speaker 3: That, you know, these days, I think the ACLU is 573 00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:47,400 hard pressed to would be hard pressed to tell anyone 574 00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:50,440 what the CL stands for in the acronym, right, It's 575 00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:54,279 almost as though they forgot those two letters there. And yeah, 576 00:33:54,319 --> 00:33:56,200 I mean the ACLU, there was a time when they 577 00:33:56,240 --> 00:34:00,440 were just the these objective, truly objective arbiters but also 578 00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:04,319 fighters for free speech in the United States and boy like, 579 00:34:04,359 --> 00:34:07,359 in terms of objectively upholding their mission. I mean these 580 00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:09,599 This is an organization that was upholding the free speech 581 00:34:09,679 --> 00:34:14,960 rights of Nazis and of the KKK. You know, as 582 00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:16,840 long as they didn't engage in violence. You know, hey, 583 00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:18,400 like they have a right. And what's you know, the 584 00:34:18,599 --> 00:34:21,559 greatest test of one support of freedom of speech is, 585 00:34:21,599 --> 00:34:23,639 you know, supporting the most vile. You do, support the 586 00:34:23,639 --> 00:34:27,280 most vile of speech as long as it doesn't escalate 587 00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:31,119 into into physical violence. The ACLU was right there, but 588 00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:33,239 just in over the course of the last several years, 589 00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:35,800 I think it was twenty twenty if I'm not mistaken, 590 00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:37,679 but don't hold me to that. But obviously this is 591 00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:40,639 you know, twenty twenty was the Trump presidency. You had 592 00:34:40,679 --> 00:34:43,960 this big race reckoning in the United States, and and 593 00:34:44,039 --> 00:34:48,039 the ACLU explicitly stated that, you know, they would stop 594 00:34:48,119 --> 00:34:53,119 taking on certain cases from the right because you know, 595 00:34:53,599 --> 00:34:54,840 basically they didn't want. 596 00:34:54,679 --> 00:34:59,480 Speaker 2: To, you know, because basically them just a minuting now a. 597 00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:03,159 Speaker 3: Mouthpiece the progressive movement and also an extremely well funded 598 00:35:03,199 --> 00:35:05,920 mouthpiece for the progressive movement. And we're going to engage 599 00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:09,000 in all sorts of actions that have nothing to do 600 00:35:09,079 --> 00:35:12,159 with our original mission or is it kind of what's 601 00:35:12,159 --> 00:35:15,000 in our wheelhouse? Like a CLU is known for taking 602 00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:16,960 people to court, right and taking the government to court 603 00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:20,800 to support free speech. Suddenly they're underwriting these mass protests 604 00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:24,679 at JFK Airport, you know, fighting for open borders and uh, 605 00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:28,840 you know, stopping and stopping you know, an executive order 606 00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:32,239 that would prevent Islamus terrorists from coming into the United 607 00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:33,320 States at any rate. 608 00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:34,119 Speaker 2: Uh. 609 00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:36,519 Speaker 3: You know this big project that we have at hatemap 610 00:35:36,559 --> 00:35:39,880 dot com is specifically targeted. Uh Well, one of the 611 00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:42,960 one of the secondary goals is to hold the SPLC accountable. 612 00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:46,000 But we have not forgotten uh, the a c l 613 00:35:46,119 --> 00:35:48,119 U and its dereliction of duty. And you know there 614 00:35:48,119 --> 00:35:51,639 are other nonprofits out there as well that we'll continue 615 00:35:51,679 --> 00:35:52,199 to call out. 616 00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:56,880 Speaker 1: Indeed, it is a fabulous resource. As you said, this 617 00:35:57,119 --> 00:36:02,199 was you know, you were preparing for this map for 618 00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:07,280 a launch a little bit later on. But this series 619 00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:12,760 of very horrifying events this summer, I know, necessitated moving 620 00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:17,159 this out much sooner. Where can people go to find 621 00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:21,880 the information that they need from your organization in general 622 00:36:22,079 --> 00:36:24,000 and for the new hate map. 623 00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:26,960 Speaker 3: The easiest way to go to the hate map just 624 00:36:27,159 --> 00:36:30,880 type hatemap dot com into your browser. Hatemap dot com 625 00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:35,000 that will also take you to our website, newtolerance dot org, 626 00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:37,719 and from there, in addition to the hate map, you 627 00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:40,159 can see all the other campaigns that we engage in. 628 00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:43,039 One of the things that I really pride myself on 629 00:36:43,119 --> 00:36:45,239 as the head of New Tolerance Campaign is that we 630 00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:48,880 frequently rally grassroots action to come to the aid of 631 00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:52,239 Joe and Jane American when the cancel culture woke mob 632 00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:55,639 comes for them. We've gotten people reinstated on Twitter. We 633 00:36:55,679 --> 00:37:00,239 have gotten student groups that were dechartered by college and 634 00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:02,880 universities because the speakers that they wanted to bring on 635 00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:06,159 campus made some students feel quote unquote unsafe. Well, we 636 00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:08,280 helped to get you know, for example, the Emory Free 637 00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:10,039 Speech Forum recharted. 638 00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:14,280 Speaker 2: You know, there are. 639 00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:16,639 Speaker 3: Other such cases where just people come to us, they 640 00:37:16,639 --> 00:37:19,559 go to our website and they're reaching out for help, 641 00:37:19,639 --> 00:37:21,800 so we're there to help them for that too. On 642 00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:26,079 social media, folks can go to at new underscore Tolerance 643 00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:29,880 on x on Facebook, just look up new Tolerance Campaign. 644 00:37:30,559 --> 00:37:35,360 We're also there on Rumble and YouTube. You can search 645 00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:37,239 for new Tolerance and we'll come up. 646 00:37:37,679 --> 00:37:42,079 Speaker 1: Well, it is fascinating and vital information and you can 647 00:37:42,119 --> 00:37:45,239 find it all with a click of your mouse or 648 00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:49,840 at your fingertips. Thanks to my guest today, Gregory t Angelo, 649 00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:54,920 president of New Tolerance Campaign, the conservative watchdog group, is 650 00:37:55,039 --> 00:37:58,800 launching the Hate Map fact. It's up and running right now. 651 00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:02,559 It's an interactive app that tracks instances of political violence 652 00:38:03,119 --> 00:38:08,440 perpetrated by leftist organizations in the United States. You've been 653 00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:11,599 listening to another edition of The Federalist Radio Hour. I'm 654 00:38:11,639 --> 00:38:14,960 Matt Kittle, senior correspondent at The Federalist. We'll be back 655 00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:19,320 soon with more. Until then, stay lovers of freedom and 656 00:38:19,519 --> 00:38:20,519 anxious for the fray. 657 00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:32,920 Speaker 3: I heard the fame, voice the reason, and then it 658 00:38:33,079 --> 00:38:38,440 faded away.