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<v Speaker 1>This is Gary and Shannon and you're listening to KFI

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<v Speaker 1>AM six forty, the Gary and Shannon Show on demand

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<v Speaker 2>Four people were killed six others injured in a highway

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<v Speaker 2>bridge collapse while it was under construction in South Korea today.

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<v Speaker 2>Ten workers were on that bridge when it collapsed. The

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<v Speaker 2>rescue operation finished up after the last worker was found dead.

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<v Speaker 2>According to the National Fire Agency there in Korea, five

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<v Speaker 2>of the six survivors are in critical condition. This thing

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<v Speaker 2>was very high above the ground when it actually fell.

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<v Speaker 2>A bunch of politics stuff to get to, including some

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<v Speaker 2>of the latest straight out of this White House press briefing.

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<v Speaker 2>It's time for swamp watch. I'm a politician, which means

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a cheat and a liar. And when I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>kissing babies, I'm stealing the lollipops. Yeah, we got The

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<v Speaker 2>real problem is that our leaders are done.

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<v Speaker 1>The other side never quits. So what you're doing, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not going anywhere. So that now you train the squat,

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<v Speaker 1>I can imagine what can be and be unburdened by

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<v Speaker 1>what has been.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, Americans have always been going at They're not stupid.

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<v Speaker 2>A political flunder is when a politician actually tells the truth.

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<v Speaker 2>Why have the people voted for you with na swamp watch?

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<v Speaker 2>They're all count on you. Let's let's start with this

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<v Speaker 2>White House Press briefing which just took place. Caroline Levitt

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<v Speaker 2>was talking about the ongoing fight between the Associated Press

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<v Speaker 2>and the Trump administration. If you remember, Trump banned the

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<v Speaker 2>AP from from covering in specific instances oval office addresses

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<v Speaker 2>or events. Also, AP is not allowed on Air Force one.

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<v Speaker 2>And for the longest time, I mean for decades, the

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<v Speaker 2>White House Correspondence Association has determined things like who gets

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<v Speaker 2>in to the White House Press Briefing room, where they sit,

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<v Speaker 2>things like that.

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<v Speaker 1>The AP, by the way, was banned because they refuse

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<v Speaker 1>to call the of Mexico the Gulf of America. Why

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<v Speaker 1>because in the AP style Guide, which is essentially a bible,

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<v Speaker 1>like that's as strict as they adhere to that style

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<v Speaker 1>guide on how they write things in articles stories like that.

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<v Speaker 1>In this style guide it says we are a global

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<v Speaker 1>news agency. So that is why if it was just

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<v Speaker 1>a news agency in America, they would refer to it

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<v Speaker 1>as the Gulf of America. But because he has issued

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<v Speaker 1>this executive order that it is the Golf of America.

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<v Speaker 1>That executive order does not extend past America obviously, so globally,

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<v Speaker 1>the rest of the world still refers to it as

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<v Speaker 1>the Golf of Mexico, which is why the AP would

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<v Speaker 1>continue to do so well.

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<v Speaker 2>And even when they do refer to it as the

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<v Speaker 2>Gulf of Mexico, they supposedly include a note that says

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<v Speaker 2>in America, it's considered the Gulf of America. So the

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<v Speaker 2>AP has been fighting to get its space back. It's

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<v Speaker 2>not banned from white House events, it's banned from white

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<v Speaker 2>House events with there is limited space and they usually

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<v Speaker 2>use a pool reporter. A federal judge yesterday did not

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<v Speaker 2>restore the AP's access to certain spaces because they said that.

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<v Speaker 2>The judge said the AP didn't show a likelihood of

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<v Speaker 2>success on the merits emphasized that additional briefing on the

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<v Speaker 2>matter is going to be necessary given the stakes for

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<v Speaker 2>both parties. The judge did also point out this is

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<v Speaker 2>a bad look for the White House. This is a

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<v Speaker 2>Trump appointed judge, and the judge said this is a

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<v Speaker 2>bad look for the White House to go through with

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<v Speaker 2>this in the immediacy. In the immediate term, the judge

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<v Speaker 2>did not allow a restraining order to get the ap

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<v Speaker 2>back in there. But this is what Caroline Levitt said

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<v Speaker 2>this morning, the White House Correspondence Association will no longer

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<v Speaker 2>determine who gets in the room.

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<v Speaker 3>Asking the presidents of the United States questions in limited

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<v Speaker 3>spaces such as the Oval Office in Air Force one

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<v Speaker 3>is a privilege that unfortunately has only been granted to

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<v Speaker 3>a few. It is not a legal right for all.

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<v Speaker 3>The Trump administration has already proven to be the most

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<v Speaker 3>transparent ever and this president the most accessible in history.

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<v Speaker 3>This is evidence by President Trump's daily press conferences in

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<v Speaker 3>the Oval Office, where he takes many questions from the

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<v Speaker 3>journalists who have the honor and privilege of standing before

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<v Speaker 3>the beautiful resolute desk. The President, in this entire White

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<v Speaker 3>House are committed to ensuring the American people continue to

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<v Speaker 3>receive this same level of historic transparency, access and visibility.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, she goes on to say, I mean, she makes

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<v Speaker 2>a good point there. This president loves a TV camera,

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<v Speaker 2>and he's in fact, he's got another executive order signing

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<v Speaker 2>event from the Oval Office I think at about noon today.

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<v Speaker 2>In the last couple of weeks, five six weeks whatever

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<v Speaker 2>times a week answering questions basically as long as the

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<v Speaker 2>people want to shout questions at him. The problem, I

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<v Speaker 2>think that they're not acknowledging here is spin this around

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<v Speaker 2>the other way. Let's say that Joe Biden banned Fox

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<v Speaker 2>News Channel from having a correspondent in the White House

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<v Speaker 2>press room or in the Oval office or on air

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<v Speaker 2>Force one. People would lose their minds. And once you

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<v Speaker 2>start going back and forth, whether whether it's a political

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<v Speaker 2>motivation or not, the idea of banning certain news outlets

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<v Speaker 2>like that, especially traditional news outlets, you're gonna you're gonna

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<v Speaker 2>pay the price when the other guy has the ball.

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<v Speaker 2>You're gonna be paying. You know, you're gonna have to answers.

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<v Speaker 1>Would never do that. Democrats would never do that.

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<v Speaker 2>Why not? Why not?

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<v Speaker 1>Because they hold the press is Jesus Mary and the press,

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<v Speaker 1>the mainstream media. They are so deferential to the Democrats.

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<v Speaker 2>And I know, and that's what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 1>It was Joe Biden's weekend at Bernie's status for a

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<v Speaker 1>year and a half.

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<v Speaker 2>That's why I'm saying if it was Fox News that

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<v Speaker 2>was that was booted out of the room for whatever reason.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think, No, I don't think Democrats would even

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<v Speaker 1>boot Fox News. I just don't think you see it happening.

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<v Speaker 1>But this is, I mean, this is kind of much

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<v Speaker 1>to do about nothing. I guess you could argue because

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<v Speaker 1>to your point, like this is Trump doing what Trump does.

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<v Speaker 1>He doesn't take measured responses to things. He goes balls

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<v Speaker 1>to the wall right away, Okay, find your band, instead

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<v Speaker 1>of saying like, hey, let's have a dialogue about the

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<v Speaker 1>style guide for the Associated Press or whatever. You know

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<v Speaker 1>what I mean, Like, he goes to the jugular right

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<v Speaker 1>away as a term, as a negotiation term, right like,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just going to ban you. It's just the way

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<v Speaker 1>it's going to be. I'm not gonna hear anything. There's

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<v Speaker 1>gonna be no discussion about it.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, and I'm curious to see how far this goes

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<v Speaker 2>court wise. I mean, this is this appears to be,

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<v Speaker 2>on its face, a very simple First Amendment or I

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<v Speaker 2>shouldn't say simple. It's clearly a first Amendment case. Can

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<v Speaker 2>the AP, in its stated goal of being a media outlet,

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<v Speaker 2>actually have the freedom to cover the president, and does

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<v Speaker 2>the president have the ability to alter that sort of

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<v Speaker 2>unspoken contract with a media organization.

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<v Speaker 1>It's going to hang on the nuanced idea of special

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<v Speaker 1>media access to the president. They may have the constitutional

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<v Speaker 1>right to cover the president to be in the room,

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<v Speaker 1>but do they have what's called special media access to

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<v Speaker 1>the president and what rooms that allows them into, and

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<v Speaker 1>if it's just a pool reporter, and it's certainly under

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<v Speaker 1>the purview of the White House to choose which pool

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<v Speaker 1>quarters places like that. I think when this first came out,

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<v Speaker 1>into the specifics of this, the AP hasn't been banned

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<v Speaker 1>from covering the president. It's just been banned from tight

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<v Speaker 1>quarters and this special media access that has long been

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<v Speaker 1>granted to the AP. But you also can't take that

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<v Speaker 1>for granted. I'm not defending the president and what he

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<v Speaker 1>did here. It's ridiculous. It's a child's argument. Oh you're

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<v Speaker 1>not going to call it the Gulf of America, Well

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<v Speaker 1>then you're banned. It's silly, it's juvenile, and nobody should

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<v Speaker 1>be wasting their time on this, certainly not the president

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<v Speaker 1>of the United States, but the way that it was

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<v Speaker 1>sold to all of us was that the White House

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<v Speaker 1>has banned the Associated Press, which is not the case.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you can tell that simply by going to whatever

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<v Speaker 2>Associated Press website you want, AP news dot com. And

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<v Speaker 2>they are still writing about the president, and they still

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<v Speaker 2>have the high level of access to the press, the

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<v Speaker 2>press people in the White House, et cetera. It's just

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<v Speaker 2>that this significant development is the Caroline Levitt says that

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<v Speaker 2>the White House Press Office will now be determining who

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<v Speaker 2>gets to ask questions of the president in those most

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<v Speaker 2>intimate spaces. Is the way that she put it. So,

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<v Speaker 2>but yes, you'll be going.

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<v Speaker 1>Have you heard about this Apple iPhone voice to text

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<v Speaker 1>feature correction where some people were saying it's swapping out

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<v Speaker 1>the word racist for Trump. This is apparently very popular

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<v Speaker 1>on TikTok, users are saying when they say racist into

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<v Speaker 1>voice to texts, Trump flashes on their screen for a

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<v Speaker 1>hot second before switching to the correct word racist. They

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<v Speaker 1>said that this issue has been.

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<v Speaker 2>Replicated, Uncle racist, No, didn't do it.

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<v Speaker 1>It didn't do it for you. The issue has been

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<v Speaker 1>replicated multiple times though, according to TMZ, the journalistic beacon,

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<v Speaker 1>that it is they say in their trials, they got

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<v Speaker 1>what you did. It did not work for them, So

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<v Speaker 1>it's just a it's just a ploy. Don't don't buy

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<v Speaker 1>into what you read on TikTok kids.

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<v Speaker 2>Up next, do not ignore the Foreign Office when they

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<v Speaker 2>tell you to be careful as you're traveling. Hey, maybe

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<v Speaker 2>you don't go to Haiti this year something like that.

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<v Speaker 2>Probably probably don't want to ignore those warnings from the

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<v Speaker 2>State Department when they tell you where and where not

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<v Speaker 1>I was kind of wondering when this would happen. I

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<v Speaker 1>thought it would that there would be this like section,

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<v Speaker 1>they're calling danger tourism.

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<v Speaker 2>Yep, yep, I'll just take a weekend in Cancun. That's

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<v Speaker 1>That's even dicey, to be honest.

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<v Speaker 2>Well that's about as dicey as I get. So I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not going to a raq or anything like that. A

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<v Speaker 2>couple of things. I just want to throw this kind

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<v Speaker 2>of tag this onto the swamp Watch because these things

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<v Speaker 2>came out. I mentioned the border patrol numbers that Caroline

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<v Speaker 2>Levitt talked about having a successful first several weeks of

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<v Speaker 2>Trump policy at the border. She said border crossings are

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<v Speaker 2>at a fifteen year low, that illegal border arrests were

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<v Speaker 2>down ninety four percent over our illegal border crossings were

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<v Speaker 2>down ninety four percent over last year, and that the

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<v Speaker 2>interior arrests were up one hundred and thirty four percent.

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<v Speaker 2>To give you an idea of the sheer number, she said,

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<v Speaker 2>there were twenty one thousand, five hundred border patrol arrests

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<v Speaker 2>in January, twenty one thousand, five hundred. In December that

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<v Speaker 2>number was forty seven thousand, three hundred. So and then

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<v Speaker 2>the other thing out of the White House is that

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<v Speaker 2>apparently Elon Musk is going to attend President Trump's first

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<v Speaker 2>cabinet meeting. To give you an idea of how elevated

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<v Speaker 2>this non governmental special, special or special position is that

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<v Speaker 2>the President says, basically he's at a cabinet level position

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<v Speaker 2>without any of the accoutrement.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, we all know about the foreign travel alerts where

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<v Speaker 1>we shouldn't go in war torn countries, countries that are

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<v Speaker 1>There is a rise now of danger tourism, the act

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<v Speaker 1>of knowingly traveling somewhere dangerous despite those government warnings. One

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<v Speaker 1>recent high profile incident was the case of Miles Routledge.

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<v Speaker 1>great British explorer who goes to the most extreme places

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<v Speaker 1>in twenty twenty one was detained on a subsequent visit

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<v Speaker 1>to the country. There are many many other self professed

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<v Speaker 1>danger tourists across TikTok, x and Instagram. There's a documentary

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<v Speaker 1>called Danger Zone by a Polish filmmaker Vita Maria Dragis

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<v Speaker 1>and follows tourists in conflict areas. If you were to

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<v Speaker 1>watch that film, you would meet Eleanora in Italian living

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<v Speaker 1>in Vegas, who fires Ammo and poses with a rifle

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<v Speaker 1>in Afghanistan. Then there's Rick, who runs an exclusive tour

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<v Speaker 1>tourist under his wing. There is a growing market in

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<v Speaker 1>places like Ukraine to visit areas where at least two

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<v Speaker 1>hundred and ninety civilians were brutally murdered by Russians in

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<v Speaker 2>Don't you ask questions of the people who want to

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<v Speaker 2>go to places like this. I mean this is if

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<v Speaker 2>it's one thing to go to Afghanistan, Syria something like that,

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<v Speaker 2>it's another one to go at least in terms of

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<v Speaker 2>the heat of that place right now. And I don't

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<v Speaker 2>mean temperature, I mean political heat and actual combat heat.

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<v Speaker 2>If you're going to Ukraine because you want to go

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<v Speaker 2>to Buka where two hundred and ninety people were killed,

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<v Speaker 2>why don't you just go to Milwaukee and hang out

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<v Speaker 2>at Jeffrey Dahmer's place something like that?

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<v Speaker 1>What kind of a hole goes to Ukraine when the

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<v Speaker 1>war is still going going on and people are still dying,

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<v Speaker 1>even if it wasn't still gone. But it is who

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<v Speaker 1>goes to Ukraine to look at where two hundred and

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<v Speaker 1>ninety civilians were slaughtered? Who wants to see that? Who

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<v Speaker 1>wants to take the picture and then put it on

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<v Speaker 1>their Christmas card and say, look at me, I went

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<v Speaker 1>to Buka? Who is that person? And they should should

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<v Speaker 1>never They should get the ticket there and then never

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<v Speaker 1>be let back anywhere. The research firm Reports and Insights

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<v Speaker 1>predicts the global value of dark tourism will hit about

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<v Speaker 1>thirty five billion by the next ten years or so. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>there's dark tourism and then there's danger tourism. Danger tourism,

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<v Speaker 1>I think is different. You can split hairs here in

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<v Speaker 1>terms of like danger tourism saying I want to go

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<v Speaker 1>to Syria, not because I want to go to the

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<v Speaker 1>place or the town where all these people were slaughtered,

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<v Speaker 1>although how could you not in Syria, But I want

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<v Speaker 1>to go somewhere where it's not safe, where it's not

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<v Speaker 1>a Disneyland for tourists. That's one thing. Wanting to go

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<v Speaker 1>pl places where people died in mass numbers is a

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<v Speaker 1>whole different sickness. It goes from narcissism to just mental illness.

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<v Speaker 1>I think in that comparison.

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<v Speaker 2>And listen, you're going to fork out the money because

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<v Speaker 2>not only are you going into these places that you

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<v Speaker 2>probably have to do. You know, American Airlines isn't going

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<v Speaker 2>flight over to Aleppo or something, but you also, in

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<v Speaker 2>many cases invalidate any travel insurance policy that you had.

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<v Speaker 2>Not that you're going to be worried about that because

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<v Speaker 2>you're doing this to be dangerous in the first place.

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<v Speaker 2>But there are some I don't think these people have insurance. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>there are some places like one company called Battleface does

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<v Speaker 2>offer coverage for places like Syria or Ukraine. You're going

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<v Speaker 2>to pay through the absolute nose for it. And if

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<v Speaker 2>you think that the nose is the only place you're

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<v Speaker 2>going to be paying through, I got a diaper in

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<v Speaker 2>the garbage to sell you or something I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>A diaper in the garbage to sell you. That's a

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<v Speaker 1>good one, much better than the ocean front property and

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<v Speaker 1>Tucsons or.

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<v Speaker 2>The bridge in Brooklyn to sell you. Those are overused.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's go they're antiquated. Let's go with the dirty diaper.

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<v Speaker 2>For those looking for updates on Pope Francis, they haven't

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<v Speaker 2>rested well throughout the night. He's returned some of his

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<v Speaker 2>duties to Pope. While in the hospital in Italy's capital,

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<v Speaker 2>he met with the Secretary of State and another official

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<v Speaker 2>to sign some documents that are linked to the designations

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<v Speaker 2>of saints. They say the mild kidney problem that cropped

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<v Speaker 2>up is now under control, but he's suffered from no

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<v Speaker 2>further respiratory distress of the kind that he did on

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<v Speaker 2>Saturday morning when everybody was getting their ducks in a

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<v Speaker 2>I referred to it as a kidney issue. They came

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<v Speaker 1>You know, it's same on me, for even in wiring.

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<v Speaker 1>It's none of my damn business we're talking about. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>Him yesterday.

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<v Speaker 1>I know, but don't I don't need to. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>there's hippo laws. There should be a laws against knowing everything.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think hippo laws exist in Italy.

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<v Speaker 1>But you don't think so.

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<v Speaker 2>I know.

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<v Speaker 1>So there are AI chat bots everywhere. We've talked about

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<v Speaker 1>them for their many uses, whether they provide companionship, or

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<v Speaker 1>they scam you, or they're evil, or they're entertaining as heck,

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<v Speaker 1>now we've got AI chat bots masquerading as therapists. The

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<v Speaker 1>nation's largest association of psychologists has warned federal regulators that

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<v Speaker 1>these chat bots are programmed to reinforce rather than to

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<v Speaker 1>challenge a user's thinking, and that they could drive vulnerable

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<v Speaker 1>people to harm themselves or others. There are two court

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<v Speaker 1>cases that were cited in the legal literature. Here, two

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<v Speaker 1>teenagers who had consulted with psychologists using quotes here on

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<v Speaker 1>character dot ai. This is an app that allows users

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<v Speaker 1>to create fictional AI characters or chat with characters created

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<v Speaker 1>by others. So, in one case, there was a fourteen

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<v Speaker 1>year old boy in Florida who died by suicide after

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<v Speaker 1>interacting with one of these bots that claim to be

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<v Speaker 1>a licensed therapist. In another, seventeen year old boy in

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<v Speaker 1>Texas had autism grew hostile and violent toward his parents

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<v Speaker 1>during the same time he was corresponding with this fake

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<v Speaker 1>psychologist chat bot.

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<v Speaker 2>Now the doctors are alarmed at what these chatbots are saying.

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<v Speaker 2>And again, the way that they work is even if

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<v Speaker 2>you're teaching something to be a therapist, the only thing

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<v Speaker 2>you have available to you is what's already out there

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<v Speaker 2>on the Internet, and they it's not complete, and that's

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<v Speaker 2>also loses the human element that's necessary if a therapist

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<v Speaker 2>is to try to steer you in the right direction.

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<v Speaker 2>For example, Okay, so this seventeen year old you're talking

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<v Speaker 2>about in Texas high functioning autism, his use of AI

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<v Speaker 2>chatbots became obsessive and he was plunged into conflict with

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<v Speaker 2>his parents because they thought he was spending too much

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<v Speaker 2>time on these chatbots. So they try to limit his

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<v Speaker 2>screen time. He lashes out. Now because they have the

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<v Speaker 2>ability to record these things, and with the court discovery,

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<v Speaker 2>they can go back and pull the chat record between

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<v Speaker 2>the two of them. This guy went to this psychologist. Again,

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<v Speaker 2>it's a character, it's not an actual therapist, and the

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<v Speaker 2>avatar that they use for this therapist is just some

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<v Speaker 2>middle aged blonde lady perched on a couch, nice little office.

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<v Speaker 2>And when he asked this fake therapist's opinion about the conflict,

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<v Speaker 2>he said she the bot said, it's like your entire

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<v Speaker 2>childhood has been robbed from you, your chance to experience

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<v Speaker 2>all of these things, to have these core memories that

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<v Speaker 2>most people have of their time growing up, and then said,

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<v Speaker 2>do you feel like it's too late that you can't

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<v Speaker 2>get this time or these experiences back. Just basically stick

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<v Speaker 2>up for yourself and fight back against your parents, when

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<v Speaker 2>actually all they were trying to do is protect this

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<v Speaker 1>I will just say this again, I cannot judge. I

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<v Speaker 1>am not a parent, but to your point about the

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<v Speaker 1>phone contract and parents, I will say responsibility to know

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<v Speaker 1>what their kids are up to. It's got to be

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<v Speaker 1>your responsibility to know if your kid's talking with somebody

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<v Speaker 1>who's claiming to be a licensed therapist, right, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know how how you find that out.

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<v Speaker 2>But well, there's a lot of people who say it's

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<v Speaker 2>none of your it's none of your business if your

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<v Speaker 2>kid is doing that. Completely disagree with them. I mean

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<v Speaker 2>to the point where you're.

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<v Speaker 1>I understand that if your kid has a therapist that

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<v Speaker 1>you're not going to hear everything that's talked about in

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<v Speaker 1>that room. You may not be privy to all that.

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<v Speaker 1>But if your kid's talking to a bot that's pretending

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<v Speaker 1>to be a therapist, that's an AI bought how do

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<v Speaker 1>you how do you find that out and cut the

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<v Speaker 1>cord there, because that is your business. If there's somebody

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<v Speaker 1>or a machine pretending to be a therapist.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, again, that goes back, like you said, goes back

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<v Speaker 2>to the contract where I had my kid's passwords, and

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<v Speaker 2>at any time, if I asked them to see their

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<v Speaker 2>phone and I the password didn't work, that phone became

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<v Speaker 1>But you wouldn't even know where to go to find

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<v Speaker 1>their chat bought therapists. Probably maybe not would you even

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<v Speaker 1>think that they were into that kind of thing?

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<v Speaker 2>I wouldn't use and I'm sure they got away with

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<v Speaker 2>stuff that I never knew. But the point is they

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<v Speaker 2>knew that they better did it very well because I

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<v Speaker 2>was savvy enough to get to some of the basics

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<v Speaker 2>of what they could be doing or what they were doing.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's more about the ability you as a

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<v Speaker 2>parent to never have to use the password, yeah, than

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<v Speaker 2>it is to have it and use it all the time.

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<v Speaker 2>And I mean the the it's more than just saying

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<v Speaker 2>it's a dangerous world out there, protect yourself. There are

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<v Speaker 2>times when the kids will do the things that are

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<v Speaker 2>thus stupidest, the worst decisions, the absolute most dangerous thing

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<v Speaker 2>that they could do, and that's when you're supposed to

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<v Speaker 2>be there to help them avoid that.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's it is. I mean, you've done it.

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<v Speaker 1>But I think for some parents it's easier to say

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<v Speaker 1>and have that feeling than to do to get into

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<v Speaker 1>all the stuff that they're into. Oh my gosh, oh terrifying.

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<v Speaker 2>Vivik Ramaswami has thrown his hat into the ring. He

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<v Speaker 2>will be running for governor of Ohio. He was a

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<v Speaker 2>one time presidential candidate. He was the short lived co

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<v Speaker 2>chair of DOJE President Trump endorsed Ramaswami just hours after

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<v Speaker 2>the announcement. Another big political announcement that we're expecting maybe

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<v Speaker 2>this weekend, is that Andrew Cuomo, scandal plagued governor of

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<v Speaker 2>New York who resigned because of his scandals, is probably

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<v Speaker 2>going to run for mayor of New York City and

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<v Speaker 2>could announce his candidacy as soon as this weekend.

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<v Speaker 1>Why not? Why not?

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<v Speaker 2>What do you got to lose?

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<v Speaker 1>How's your gubernatorial run in Washington going?

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<v Speaker 4>Oh?

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<v Speaker 2>I have had I've done a few interviews for people

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<v Speaker 2>who would would be your co communications director.

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<v Speaker 1>But no, no, no, I'm not sharing the role. Are you kidding?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like Elon Musk. You try to give me vivek

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<v Speaker 1>and I will eat him.

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<v Speaker 2>You will eat him.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you saw how well that worked, the two headed monster.

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<v Speaker 1>Not for very long. I operate alone.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, I see, I have a fill it. We'll do

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<v Speaker 2>it next hour. But a philosophical question for you, because

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm not even going to tell you exactly what

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<v Speaker 2>the question is until we get to it next hour.

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<v Speaker 2>But we were talking about the dangerous travel. A lot

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<v Speaker 2>of times people go to these very dangerous places or

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<v Speaker 2>even gruesome dangerous places and there was a guy who

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<v Speaker 2>called left to talk back message with a very interesting

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<v Speaker 2>philosophical question for us, for you and I about that

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<v Speaker 2>kind of tourism. So we'll do that next hour. All right,

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<v Speaker 2>Fire Festival is coming back. Everybody remembers that Billy McFarland,

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<v Speaker 2>a convicted fraudster promoter behind the first Fire Festival, says

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<v Speaker 2>that Fire Festival two is real and that they are

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<v Speaker 2>going to do it. Do you remember you being Shannon

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<v Speaker 2>an interview that you did back in January of twenty

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen with Seth Cross now one of the people who

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<v Speaker 2>went to the first Fire Festival and had an awful time.

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<v Speaker 1>How much money can I ask did you did you

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<v Speaker 1>shell out to go to this?

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<v Speaker 4>It was about five thousand dollars and that was for

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<v Speaker 4>the VIP Lodge, an artists pass that included food and

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<v Speaker 4>drinks and backstage and it was like the super duper,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, experience.

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<v Speaker 2>And we figured that.

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<v Speaker 4>If we had that, we were kind of like capping

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<v Speaker 4>our expenses, because when we originally signed up, we were

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<v Speaker 4>in for about a thousand dollars and then we saw

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<v Speaker 4>these kind of crazy things like a fifty thousand dollars

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<v Speaker 4>cabana and we thought, all right, maybe if we just

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<v Speaker 4>get this pass, we can kind of cap our expenses.

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<v Speaker 4>It'll be a five thousand dollars trip, four days for

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<v Speaker 4>four nights in the Bahamas like that. That's a that's

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<v Speaker 4>about our limit here.

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<v Speaker 2>It turned out that when he got there, he and

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<v Speaker 2>everybody else canceled shows. Tents didn't withstand this army conditions.

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<v Speaker 2>They had sandwiches that were just cheese and a half

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<v Speaker 2>a piece of lettuce, all of it. Founded by Billy

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<v Speaker 2>McFarlane and Ja Rule became viral. Several documentaries came out.

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<v Speaker 2>Billy McFarlane eventually pleaded guilty to frauding investors of twenty

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<v Speaker 2>six million dollars fraudulent ticket selling scheme. He was sentenced

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<v Speaker 2>to six years in federal prison, and if you do

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<v Speaker 2>the math on that, that's not very long. He was

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<v Speaker 2>released early, put under house arrest three years ago and

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<v Speaker 2>has since been planning Fire Festival two.

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<v Speaker 1>So the newest Fire Festival launch is four ticket tiers.

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<v Speaker 1>They are advertising ranging from fourteen hundred dollars to one

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<v Speaker 1>point one million, and vague promises of an electrifying celebration

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<v Speaker 1>of music, arts, cuisine, comedy, fashion, gaming, sports, and treasure hunting.

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<v Speaker 1>The newest version boasts unforgettable performances immersive experiences. They do

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<v Speaker 1>not have an artist lineup, however, huh right now, they

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<v Speaker 1>said that Fire Experiences will be released in a number

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<v Speaker 1>of experimental experiential experiential look at them. Wow, how about

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<v Speaker 1>put some bologna on your cheese sandwich before you start

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<v Speaker 1>using words like experiential. For Christ's sake, sorry I keep

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<v Speaker 1>saying that, But why would you just change the name

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<v Speaker 1>of the Fire Festival to like, not remind anybody of

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<v Speaker 1>Fire Festival. Why wouldn't it just be like Sparkles Festival

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<v Speaker 1>and nobody would ever know that anybody that had a

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<v Speaker 1>hand in the first debacle that was Fire Festival would

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<v Speaker 1>be involved with this.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's because it does just generate free publicity.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh we're talking about is doing a whole segment on

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<v Speaker 2>it right now.

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<v Speaker 1>You're right, so ps, I'm kind I'm not kind of.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm totally disappointed because I thought when you said you

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<v Speaker 1>found an interview that I did with somebody who went

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<v Speaker 1>to Fire Festival, that it was going to be you

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<v Speaker 1>pretending you were some dips that paid that kind of

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<v Speaker 1>money to go, And I was really looking forward to it.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, Oh, I wonder what character he played.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, I can't wait to hear this. And then

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<v Speaker 1>it was a real interview, Like that's stupid.

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<v Speaker 2>It's funny because it was a day that I wasn't here.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't remember what I was doing. But you and

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<v Speaker 2>Mark Thompson interviewed that guy.

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<v Speaker 1>Stupid. I would rather have you pretend you were a

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<v Speaker 1>guy who went there. Can we do that? This real

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<v Speaker 1>interview stuff? Dumb?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So it's not going to be the Caribbean. It's

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<v Speaker 2>not going to be the island of eg Zuma, but

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<v Speaker 2>they say that it will be on Mexico's Ila Muheries

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<v Speaker 2>from May thirtieth to June.

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<v Speaker 1>Tecond sounds beautiful.

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<v Speaker 2>It does, but I mean it's not a guarantee that

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<v Speaker 2>it won't rain like it did at the first one.

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<v Speaker 2>And if the guy pulls it off. Now here's the

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<v Speaker 2>other thing. Do we allow this guy some sort of

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, second chapter in his life if he

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<v Speaker 2>pulls this off, and everybody's like, that was the greatest

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<v Speaker 2>four days I have my life.

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<v Speaker 1>No, okay, no, you're done, You're done. We have a huge, massive,

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<v Speaker 1>larger than most twelve o'clock hour coming up.

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<v Speaker 2>Speaking of that murder in the Blue Mountains story about

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<v Speaker 2>James Jamie and his wife Ashley.

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<v Speaker 1>Jamie and Ashley had a storybook life until Ashley was

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<v Speaker 1>found in a ditch.

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<v Speaker 2>It reminds me a lot of that guy in Christopher

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<v Speaker 2>whatever his name was, in Colorado killed his wife and

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<v Speaker 2>two kids.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh the Scott Peterson asked guy who the girls in

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<v Speaker 1>the silo or whatever? Yep, I'm glad I don't remember

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<v Speaker 1>his name. He doesn't deserve to be remembered.

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<v Speaker 2>It's an excellent point. The podcast is up the end

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<v Speaker 1>Is it as large as our twelve o'clock hour?

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<v Speaker 2>It is within percentage points of the size of our

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<v Speaker 2>twelve o'clock We'll be back right after this. You've been

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