Speaker 1: You know, rocks are coming from two three different locations,
just flying through the air at them, and one of
the kid got caged in the hand. He was bleeding,
so they took off her on the camp or they
ran off and they hit underneath the yond fifth. We
all the high spot there, they're all hiding under the
iif we all as the rocks are coming like over
the house and stuff. My kids, don't you know what
you're trying to film? Like he got whacked in the
head with a smaller rock. Now on the other side
of the drivers an old sister and the tightsaner. It
just looks like a cannonball with a little cork top,
and it was filled with something real heavy. I mean
I could throw it. We'd eat eat if I was lucky.
It was heavy. And that comes flying through the trees
and landed down the bottom of the colliesackt there the video,
just see that thing that can hardly toss it all
flying over the feat.
Speaker 2: When did your interest in the subject of Bigfoot start?
Speaker 1: Okay, well, what happened is when as a kid, my grandparents,
my mother and me and my two brothers, I would
have about like maybe seven, I would have been the
oldest maybe about seven, and my brother ran about five
and youngest one would have been about maybe twoish, you know,
or you can they can walk. But he here the
character a little pratt Kennedyl.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And my grandpa was the wood spending you know, he
grew up and you know you're born in nineteen o four,
not long after Wright brother slu You know it's spring
about four. What do you that was his favorite thing,
going out the woods, hot and fish and he growing
up in aparm and the boonze. So let me go up.
We're between Marquat and Big Bay, Michigan, which is started
in the middle of nowhere, and the stopped. There's this
river that runch Lakes Berrier River on one side, it's
telling pressed Cryoa Beach on the other side, just woods
and stuff. Well, we parked on your started bridge and
when we walked down the river to the spirits el
the sand beach there and they're going some big tracks.
I mean that's about seven. I was just we got
out there, some big tracks. They just have a vague
memory of it. But you know, me and memory concerned,
it's been a long time. But what's this. You know,
it's acumic back to way bigger and my Grappa sort
of scratching his head. Well, something started screeching in the woods.
You know, it was blowed you know, had some strengthen
me to a kind of othes and yeah, I guess
they kept getting closer from remember, well we went to
the up trying to see what it was, and rantially
that there is. I just remembered it as like as
big bush like you pictured the side of a why
lock three or something like that. Yeah, and we got
his closed that we were on the other side of it,
and the thing was jumping up known screeching. It was
even feel the grown cheek like when a big heavy
logging truck or something goes by. You feel that vibrant
you know, like a libration. Yeah, there's something, you know,
big over there, screeching and jumping out. You could feel
the grown chicken. And I was like, finey, I'm like
I'm going to go around a tree and cut and
or those bushes and see what this thing is. Well,
my mom did other flots, you know, She's like grabs
my hands like we're out of here. Yeah, So we
all took off through the car and that was we
were going well on the paper, you know, through the apple,
and the paper came up like maybe two days later
or whatever, that same gay about our steam time that afternoon,
somebody saw one crossed by fifty there, which was right
where we were, you know, the same location across the highway. Well,
that was one thing, you know, I got a little
bit of interest about that. You know, read a couple
of books in high school. But that was you know,
you didn't have internet back then, right. And then eventually,
and I always do something, I ended up the service
traveled a lot, and then eventually I got older, you know,
internet digging around a little bit. But I enft talking
to a researcher from Lower Michigan. Now he saw a
daughter up here. And in twenty nineteen decades later, there
on the other side of that river where where the beaches,
and they saw just like I think great Port Colby
gad one ran down on all foursts right about where
we would have been out to the same beach where
we would have band ran around a couple of circles
on our forests, stood up and walk back over on
two legs. Game location decades later. Wow, sort of unique.
He thinks they use that river It is like a
you know, a trail story of a way, you know,
follow the river from different locations. So years and went by,
and then started to getting you name for a start,
stocked with some people online, and then some real good people,
really good people, and eventually started its new pround a
little bit now I'm trying to think of where it
all began. Yeah, it started my I used to cheating
the kid about big you know, come and get him.
But I got to fix her upper on a suicide
of town. There's this little neighborhood used to be a
mine and you go through a swamp road. There's a
little smaller neighborhood there that most people don't even know exist.
You up on the end of their couple sort of
road and you up a hill. There's my old fing
sure upper house. Well, I had a fiel wheel camper
park there, and we went up there and the city
flos a drive because originally a street before. So we
walk up to the top and I noticed some huge footprints.
When I first I thought, no, there's somebody trying to
break in or something. But they're going through the yard
and I didn't really you know, it's about flight eap
snow at springtime, you know when you picked out a
hard pack on top when it's starting to melt off
and spring and you can kiptoe over. But you think
you think it's what fight eat like that. Yeah, well, yeah,
I didn't much mind. You don't didn't didn't know you're
breaking that said, oh somebody going ice fish or something.
Many pay a lot of mine to it. Well, and
I should have a couple of weeks later, my kids
are still there, but they're still blowing out a bit.
You used to take a look those tracks, stat I'm like,
why bigfoot, and he goes, I think, so, well, we
go look and throwing off there's tracks. He peeked in
the camper window, and then they had walked across the
back of the yard and seem to drift over after that.
So that happened in that location. There's my last sits
in that area, a whole bunch. But another time I
take my care to when when we have the v
we hiked a while and more than my own half
from where we were staying, and we're almost there as
my kidness ran there skateboard and stuff, hadding pun on
the road and and my my kid whispers his friend.
We better turn around soon because my dad will start
scaring us about big buds starting to get dark, to
tell us some scary stories. Well, no student does he
say that that's a big deep hall came out of
the woods. And I'm like, as you were saying, you know,
well they start of ran home. I mean, I'm around
with weed a little further. We turned around and I'm
with still guilt. I go by there and then so
we saw the tracks at one time. Another time I
had this area where well because we had fire trailer
and we had to you know, move all that their
cryler burn. But anyway, we lost some guinea pigs and
where he's only that prowerpy I wanted to we're still
snow under ground. I guess we're going to see now.
Not a huge difference the time there, and I went
in to scoop gallon to the ground to start being
able to dig a hole for him. I'll get the
snow gounds. Get started, well, climbing the steep steep steep
you know where gibs, you know, galling pine trees and stuff,
and if you know, you don't want to climb that
in that time yere, But I did anyway, that's super genius.
But you know, it's just something you normally I would
go up and following those tracks. They followed it at
the tamper fixed upprouse for like fifty inches center the center. Wow,
once again fifty inches center the center, and you could
see where there was some deer up on the top
of the yellows where there's gear bed, and so I
followed where it looked like, you know, I can't see
if we're sure, because I love people dump boats deer
out that way too. But I followed like a broken
off leg, you over one, okay, center or catchure and
break a leg. Go yeah, And I followed them as
the skin looked like so when they tried to grab it,
and then I was the hind quarters and grab you know,
on and the deer took off like you know, big
chunker like height you know there. Yeah, so I think
give me. I got one there by a bunch of tracks,
you know, just single they went again, just a single
one fifteen stride and tracks all over the place, so
you know, him going through and he just took off somewhere. Well,
that was interesting, and then I got to know that
it's up. He's a professional diet used to be up
on like Alaska stuff. I got to know him on Facebook,
you know, and he's really good. He used to have
a keep echail or something. My knee is that good?
But he started giving me hands. Well, were one nowhere
a few years ago? I found it goes on and
on aught hire miles from here, thirteen inch print going
on and on and on, you know, like about a
quarter a mile of tracks and it's one location.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: And then later we were maybe about within eight ten
miles on the other side of the river another and
we were trying to get out where I was trying
to go to the kep As during the world to
fare of the work. So I missed the turn and
finding my GPS uploaded where where I was supposedly went
one way where I wanted, I went the other way.
Road clothes sign which mean specied was cautioned to me.
So me and him and the me man went. We
went through three washouts going down here, down here, and
ate the fourth wonders freeze downing his stuff. I'm like,
I'll not even going to try that. And if I
tried to drive back up to down there now, it
might not be a good idea. So yeah, we rolled
off over eighty on your feet, you know a little
almost looked like there's just a spot where you get
in around the bushes, and you started hidden and you
know a little fire, but cook the hot dog and
stuff and through some of apples. I'll just sort of ackerate.
And we went to sleep, and I know I could
just sworn I heard an apple fun backing the car vader,
but I wasn't sure. But in the morning I went
and looked and walked to me and rode and it
tied pretty hard. You know a lot of the rottom hop,
you know, rocky soil sandy with you know the little
rock pebbles and stuff where it's hard to leave a crint.
But right it happened, was there the water ran down
the hill and there's like for the runoff with the
sand and made a little sand puddle. I guess it
cause you know water and sandy area. And there was
another thirteen inch I'm puous the same one. I about
a five inch trough aile print too clear prints and
a couple you could see it just dragged and you know,
went back up more on the road and you couldn't
see anymore of a good go on. Then the grand
f Now he told me the golden nugget was. And
so there was a big one out there, twenty three
inch sprinked. You're gonna think somebody's spring a joke, as
is like beyond words, but it's real. You'll find him.
There's another location. You know, we're deep in the wilderness area.
And sure enough where he decaid to go and go
into swamps. I worked, went to night shifter, this, that
and there. I think that's pretty white. So and I
missed the little slide where you wanted me a little
clothes scary nut to open. But we ended up about
half mile from where ideally I wanted a camp. And
I was tired after much of mid nights and driving
for hours, and and and and so we set up camp.
There's this little like a peninsula on a little pond,
boggy pond, and he's you know, you see it. Some
me cleared it out and up row camp. Are you
there was fire a bit. Well, we stayed there, and
I'm next morning we went out and looked, or I
went out and looked. He's he was scared, I was,
And he heard stuff in the swamps that night. I
slept through everything. So in the morning he's because he
was up all night scared. I went down walk that
area and they had been walking on the shoulder, but
the big one walked into the main and rode and
taken about four steps and back onto their shoulder, that
big twenty three incher. And there's hundreds and hundreds of
print that I went back and I should have woke
him up. He was out, you know. There was a
seventh or was the twenty three, and I would pick
up about seventeen and then that nineteen eighty from the
guy told me it's like there's the male, the female,
and a large to be there. So I found hundreds
of prints to that on that location, and I'm trying
to think what else has happened, like fixed her upper house.
And he says, a few years ago, my kid was
up there. It would have been made ten twelve years old,
and he was up there with a couple of his
friends playing by. You go up the hill and there's
a house and there's a sort of close up to
the hill continues upwards all right, So they're behind the
house up on higher and the hill and there's just
woods all around it one thing. They're coming in. Rocks
are coming from two with three different locations, just flying
through the air at him. And one kid got keagged
in the hand. He was bleeding. But they took off
around the camp or around the house and then he ran.
My kids recording all this too. He's didn't have a
lot of memories phone, he delete stuff and recording recording.
We have video it is. And they run off and
they hit underneath the fifth whee all the high spot there.
There's about three or four m kids and then two
the guy that there's in that area too. He's going
down below with his girlfriend. You're like twenty years old.
Maybe they can run up to see what's going on.
Throw all hiding under the fifth We all as the
rocks are coming like over the house and stuff. Yeah,
and my kids out, you know what. They're trying to
film Like he got whacked in the head with a
smaur rock. The rock probably took some damage on his head,
but it's another story. But yeah, poor rock running if
you know, some Martyn granite. But you know he got
and then they said enough of dish. They ran down
the driveway going to the COLDI sack now on the
other side of the drivers, an old sister and the
types and they were just looks like a cannonball with
a little cork top, you know. And he used he's
back in the day for like road construction when you
you know the fild, it looks like a canniball's little
wick on the top, ye back, Yeah, one of them.
And it was filled with something real heavy. I mean
I could throw it maybe eat feet if I was looking.
It was heavy, you know. I never tried to throw
it till later, but I just knew where it was
well at the bottom the hill. I mean that comes
flying through the trees and landed down on the bottom
of the collsack there, And that's something I could throw
me eight feet if almuck, even though keeping you know,
straight lining down. Just it was heavy, Yeah, went all
through the trees and landed down the airbort, you know,
one hundred hundred fifty feet away. Wow, I mean it
seemed to have came a little closer. Whether it we knows,
but I saw the video. Just see that thing that
I can hardly toss it all flying over the trees
and I think a few more rocks heme down there,
and it was enough of that. But he's got that
in video. I'd like to get a big white screen
or something goes through his you know, go go go.
Y'all looked real good. I never have yet and it's
on like two do you know my computer is down?
And eventually I'd like to do that when you've seen
it on you know, a cell phone, so you don't
really get the you know, great look at it like that.
See if like I see the thing that in the woods.
But who knows, because they were a thing that you know,
they're well hit.
Speaker 2: And wherever they were, what were they doing whenever the
rock throwing started? Were they just like out there playing
and stuff.
Speaker 1: Right, and they're out behind the house a little lot
dinner you know, Rinsey Street off you know, any difference,
but there's a lot of tree back there. There were
just kids playing around doing whatever. I'm not even mature,
you know, just kids thinking around. And that's for the rocks,
you know, no warning, just boombole rocks come Adam mctursey locations.
And that's where I've gone too, was fifty inch track.
So that happened. One guy stayed in my camper. He
said he's seen him on there which he said he's
seeing him afore him was like you said that one cute,
you know, he said he had seen it and it
was you know, he went back in the campa trying
to get food or something to get into it, and
it was gone. But that happened. I'm just trying to
think it goes on and on. There's a lot of
other engineings out that way with you know, people have
seen her the swamp road, you know, have rocks chucked
at him, you know, with glowing eyes were I know
Saul Wing she locked her dog. He saw it across
the road and maybe a hundred feet in front of
her right now. They seemed across that one spot between
the swamps the roads on you know, swamping east side.
And it's it's been interesting. You know when I was
when I phone those tracks that morning, the big twenty
three in that when I was walking back where my
kid and the van because we slept in a mini
my mini van. Right when I was leaving, I heard
it was you could not hear it, wallid, but there's
a tree knock. When when I was leaving that, you know,
when I was looking at all those tracks, yeah, I
have to I heard a soft tree knock and the
just you know, distant, but you can hear it. One
time at the pixture up or house. Start sitting up
there with eleven o'clock, I heard one tree knock way
across the way into swamps trying to sinkle backers anymore.
These are the ones that I lived through. I'm as
good as and there's been any any other. You know,
I've heard many stories from other people up in this area,
but yeah, there's they're definitely up here.
Speaker 2: What kind of stories have you heard from other people?
Are they similar to the type of things you've experienced?
Speaker 1: Various sightings? The guy I know one time he is
out there as the lake on my fixer up. You're
going on the dirt road and skated off. No, you
still walk in and there's a lake, a little launch area,
just sold spot with fire pitting, not real exciting. And
one tiny I remember he went out and ran back
to tolling. And even if you know dogs, they can't
get wait on the car. They know you're in the woods.
You can't wait to get out the door. When you
got him mark the door. The dog ran in your
tan't won't come out.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: You tried to give him, hot dog, you won't come out,
you know, I mean he hid in that canton, wouldn't
come out. I've heard various miss any stories of you know,
people seeing them something. It's been over the years. I've
heard different things of that. Once for that lake where
eventually it goes to another lake and a river runs
stalin And this is back in the night. Use him
and his friend. We're sitting there. They were teenagers and you're,
you know, sitting down here on one side of your
swamp river and more swamped and goes the higher around it.
You're sitting there smoking cigarettes, talking about girls or whatever.
And there's a dog that had been missing from the
neighborhood of two weeks. He could grow up aft area
and there was a dog running around a tree stump
on the other side, you know, swamp river swamps that
are up there somewhere, and they thought it looked like
a tree stumped. It got up a lot wait and
the dog went with it. And then the dog was
never seen again. And then it really wanted to tell
what over his dog it was, Oh, this is well,
But that was another one I know of. And in
that little Lotle cow more towards town there was a
when you were kids. They're probably you know, mid teens
or something. There was maybe about four or five of
the Cristal podcast list. I don't know, but you can't
remember what the titleist. But they're watching over in the distance,
you know, on the other side of the road and
further it is the shills in the distance, and you're watching.
It looked like a jogger and a white suit running
along the top of the box, you know, and all
of a sudden he did this jump. It looked like
you ever see the six million dollar Man when you
were just boom, you know, and you're like, that ain't
a jogger. And the next day they went up after
we get later after school the next day went up
and looked at you know that whoever it was me
like about an eight or night would jump up that
little cliff and kept going wow. So it wasn't a jogger.
I remember this various sightings, but there's a couple of
are real, you know. I remember up and we're right
in town here with a wire drank. I mean there's
a lot of wood smounting that area. But up on
that I've heard that somebody pound tracks and literally he
had a pit bull and moved away because he an'
MUD's dog can come lunch. Another guy I know just
throw him onund about a half hour west to meet up.
Was called Champion Area and he is go up to
high lean back maybe a half a mile and I've
been back or went or twice. I don't really know
the area. But his neighbor had three pit bulls fast
stand just sort of mean up maybe two summers ago,
and one's missing, one was dead in the backyard. One
they phoned half of it. But a block away. Oh wow,
you know what would take out three pit bulls? Yeah,
you know, and have his strength to rip really rip
one and half. But they phone half the dog. You know,
there's been dog, a couple of reports the dog man
fur the rest of there just scattered up here, a couple,
but you always one of the two. You know, no
person's going to do that, you know, and one's missing,
one's dead, and you know no obviously a gunshots, snap
neck or some one's a blockwave ripped in half fucking
do that. But those are the big ones that come
to mine abort, you know. Various the guy, the professional guy,
I know, he's had rocks chucked at him. He was
a guy that gout on Alaska and stuff. He's really good.
So many times and all that He's like, no, I
don't go looking for them anymore. I still out in
the woods, but I don't try to go deliverer in
their turf. I better else, you know, one of those
rocks he's going to strike home and crack me in
the malin kind of yelp. So he does not actively
look for him anymore.
Speaker 2: That incident with the rock throwing in your kid that
I'm trying to think. I can't think of very many
stories where rock throwing resulted in someone actually being hit.
Speaker 1: Well, one kid got hit in hand. He was bleeding
that severe. But you know it isn't a huge rock.
But yeah, I mean literally on the viadle. You could
see when he ran from one hind from one side
house over towards the dryway side. I mean, rocks were
coming over the house. This is when I was old,
two story twelve twelve pitch rolls. I mean it's got
to height, you know. Yeah, I couldn't throw something over
at it, but dry I mean, and there went on
top of a camper. There was a pretty good sized
rock that it came from the underside of the house
and stuff, or maybe it tossed over the right No,
not directly over the house, but right you know, behind
the edge of it. I'm not really sure once I'd
like to go through that thin film by film. It
was a rock that must have been like, no it
can you know, something you could pick up and toss
maybe fifteen twenty feet if you're really good. But you know,
it came like from the other side of the yard,
you know, maybe over the house or maybe over there's
a little back porch, or probably over the quart but
huge distance and it landed you know, the distance to
the house, the distance of the driveway which is an
old street, and landed on the camp or on the
other side. It took an arm to do that. Yeah,
And so he got that one kid got nicked and
Henry's bleeding. My kid got nicked with got you the
pro rock thing in the head and he was bleeding.
And you know, that's when I have to After the
other two came running up, the older ones. There's a
guy and his girl open there about twenty They came
running up like what's going on? And they ended up
hiding udar, their thrill heighten under that camper, and then
you decided it was better to run down hill to
the coldy sack where you know there's a couple of hogs.
But they did that, and they consider it was skilled
stuff coming down at them, and that's sort of where
it ended though. I mean, you were down close through
to Hollis and stuff or they didn't you know, whatever
was going after him deciding up it isn't took off. Yeah,
and since they're multiple location, there probably would have been
two or three of them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that that sounds like something pretty intense. You know,
you don't really hear about you don't hear about rock throwing,
but uh, that seems pretty severe, especially on kids like that.
Have you ever noticed like anything damaged or missing from
that location?
Speaker 1: Not so much damage, everything missing. We know it is
local vermin. I've had breakings from local vermin, but nothing
that's been on that match here that would be that
you know, big hairy guy. It's just you know, very
slow life here. So if there's something to see, you know,
the kind of stuff storing there, you know, probably end
up in a pawn shop, but nothing that like that.
You know, the prints at one time them and rocks
chucked at him. You know, the guy that seem the
camper for a while. He had said he saw saw
it right, you know, fifty feet from the camper, thirty
feet not far at all, blind at the bushes, some
trees there. Yeah, and you know, just curious those swamps,
you know, like I said, kid, the older kid that
was talking about was peddling. He's got a buddy that
lives on you. You know, there's on a couple of streets
from my street to go over a block. His buddy
lives there, so you always hang out sort of in
the middle of nowhere. But he was pedaling home and
he had a rock chucked out of her swamp. He
said he saw the sort of glowing red eyes. Oh yeah,
my friends was up there. You after, I had its
own lock cat. I was hoping you get more done.
It good, trying to make to play a company little
kids over that no like for you know, kid toys.
I pick up up them you found on the sidewalk
for free, and I never.
Speaker 2: Got to it.
Speaker 1: I say, hey, if you want to go get him
like you went after and you know, she asked. It
was a weird hour, but she went up there. I
don't know, sometimes dark out, you know, and well but
you know she you know, like locate it, and she
saw it or used to be an old wad cabin
there that eventually clapped. They'd use it like a steward
for the mean house three years. But there's an old
dabbing from the eighteen hundreds and something was you know,
like big Poto like spider call. You know, yeah, it
was about not real high, but it's a glowing blue
eyes that you know, sort of like kikaboo order for
a while up there and just you know, like I said,
there is you know where that guy'sped to rock toss
and that just swamped the road coming in through the swamp.
There a friend of mine, he was walking her dog
right in a seeing area, a little bit poor, was
a really wigged like to cross and she saw him.
You know, shedn't need the eight one hundred feet from there,
she saw one crossed across the road, you know, from
one side, just rode swamp at the other and she here,
he lives on the other side of the hill. He
hears a lot of noise in other swamps. So you know,
I think they might be going in there looking for
food of some kind.
Speaker 2: A lot of the things that you've mentioned involved dogs.
What do you think is going on? Do you think
they see dogs as like a potential food source or
a threat or what do you think there deal is
with the dogs?
Speaker 1: From what I've had, sort of a combination of the two.
I you know, I've read accounts of you know them,
they don't like dogs, consider h a threat, and you
consider him food too. So it could have been you
know that one, the one where the guy saw it,
you know, he thought it was a stump and it
I was just running around, you know, the dog had
been missing for a while. Who knows when he ran
into that squatch glad he thought it was something to
play with, and yeah, you know, or who knows they
had just encomorded each other for the first time. Who knows.
You know, you're just happening in the right place at
the right time, and you're you know, two teen years
smoke a cigarettes, talking about girls or whatever, and way
across the swamps, he just you know, they wrote, oh, look,
did you missing dog running around a stump? And you know,
not too long. I don't know how long he sat
there went on, but the dog, this stump stood up
and locked away. You know it was this. It wasn't
a stump, was a squatch and the dog went with it.
And the dog was never seen again. You know, it
could have just been at The dog just happened running
to him at that time, who knows.
Speaker 2: And got lucky and found a friendly squatch.
Speaker 1: Who might have decided to do with stasty later the
dog was never seen again.
Speaker 2: I mean, it might have something to do with how
the dogs react to them too, you know.
Speaker 1: Right right, you know that location an. The other one
was the pit bulls. There may be thirty miles apart,
roughly at twenty thirty. I know there's camp be a
ways from us, so you're some disitions. You know. It
was probably a different clan I've heard of, you know,
it seems to be different clans up hearing different locations
further south of there. When of my friends were a
kid and a couple with friends where that would have
made the ten miles south or something. They were out
riding or four wheel there's dirt bikes whatever, and they
stopped in there is this big you know, something big
shaked in a tree in addistance, and they took off
you know, they's like some big shake in that tree.
It must have been not too happy, but I'm and
they just took off. I remember hearing a story years ago.
I remember all the details, and not too too far
from that, there's a camp on a river out in
the middle of nowhere, and they like, you know, people
swim in the river and common rock tosses out there
and various other things. I've heard various stories, so they're
commonly seen in that area, and it's not uncommon for
far side the river. People are just swimming at some
weird hour and boom, big old rocks complaining. And there's
no camps or something that crafts from there. It just
would it's like private. I saw our of privates. They
got a little bit of the area, but it was
almost too many private signs or maybe camps further up.
But I've looked on the maps. Nothing right across from there,
but woods.
Speaker 2: Now are all these different areas connected by that river
that you talked about.
Speaker 1: Well, there's a couple of different rivers there. That one's
that would be a different river Oka, but that location
right there would be I don't know, ten twelve miles
for my fixture up or house where you know, they
just like a crew were going to cover a good area. Yeah,
even kayacha to move around because they can't see and
when spot all the critters will leave, you know. Yeah,
so I'm assuming they cover up there. The good territory
of a clan coup a pretty good territory, I'm guessing.
But those are close enough. I think it's all the
same plan. I'm not sure.
Speaker 2: Do you hear a lot of vocalizations.
Speaker 1: I haven't. I don't know if other people have. Like
I said, I heard one tree knock winch up there
and swamps or in additions it was long sometimes you know,
during weather conditions, someone very better than other times. And
yeah with you the cow, it just like some something
big whack the tree, a big big stick, you know, funk.
It was just one of them that was yet it
was like cat night or something. But one single knock
a loved one.
Speaker 2: What about stick formations? Do you see any of those?
Speaker 1: I've seen ban over trees, but sometimes it's hard to
tell if they're natural because we get a lot of
heavy winter up here and they'll bench stuff over or
if it's you know, not natural. Some I think appeared
like over a trail or something review just one. I've
seen something like a tripod that could have just been formed,
you know, trees coming down, but it was or could
have flif a clant. Sometimes you don't know right, you
know it is it real or distant from ri sclatch
or just nature just landed that way. You know. It's
hard to tell. Yeah, but stories of people seeing one
across the road or driving along they see one running
in the woods, you know, and then like a more
clear area know that wup, what is that? You know?
But I've had you know, it was various incidents myself,
my kid. That was a pretty crazy one, you know.
And just the size of those rocks around and that
and that big cannibal looking thing where I mean I
took it. I don't know what it was full, but
it was just so heavy. I mean, I'm about one fifty.
I'm not just average building. I'm not great, but m hm,
where I could meet through it if I was a
lucky eight or ten feet I mean and went green
and yelta do would just go straight and drop. You know,
it was heavy. It was really heavy. Yeah, the idea
that thing went flying and or I know exactly where
it sat before even if they've carried it, you know,
another fifty years, I'm still the thing that was flying
over to you know. Yeah, I would have been for
high ground a little, but I mean if foul and
probably a good one hundred fifty feet, i'd have to
be like eat on a white screen. I could achieve
better on it at my aga end. But it went
a huge distance that I couldn't even imagine doing.
Speaker 2: Now, did something pick it up and carry it off
and then throw it or was it thrown from a
position where it's always been.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure either way, just the fact that it was,
you know, even if they picked it up and carried
it part way down the hill and tossed it something
I can control, you know, about eight feet when even
it was only halfway down the hill and what at
least went like fifty sixty feet. Yeah, I mean were
you know, I couldn't even hold a candle to that,
you know, and you know it was something really big
to do that, yeah, you know, and this it was
a huge, huge, huge, huge hwan. You know they decided
to go wrest some little kids. Yeah, it's just it
doesn't make sense. But I still got that thing. I
should have traded it, it got any princh off or
I didn't even think of that, but I still got
I kept it after that, whatever it was in it,
you know, I don't know if the kids drained it
or whatever. It was heavy at the time. Yeah, but
those are the ones that come to mind. I mean
I've heard, you know. I mean, like I said, the
guy you know is a guy. He lives away from
away from me, but he there a number of rock
tosses he's had, and he spawned tracks and you know,
even in winter he spawned where the cross the road lines,
he said, some interesting adventures. I've had my share. Spring's coming.
I want to get out and look.
Speaker 2: See.
Speaker 1: I got a theory that you know, after a long
hard winter, you know, the spring run off or I
mean the spring fish runs right, Yeah, when the fish
co op rivers spawned. My theory is that, I mean,
we look out how the tribe the centuries to go
and you get a lot of clues. Okay, like in
Sue Saint Marie and the eastern up of Michigan where
the Sue locks are, you know where that is. Tanned
As almost had ups on outer and he crossed over
to Canada as the sue locks there well before the
locks or editors, like a rapets you couldn't take a
boat from you know, from the other lakes up the
Superior there's a rapids and this you dragged it unrollers
across the rapids and put it back in the water.
You know there's no way their rapids. But didn't Eve
see what you get those rocks in the rapids and
fish and like it was a sort of you know,
other tribes to come in during a fish run time
and you know the resident tribe didn't mind if others
team and you know there's more fish than they could
ever catch up. Wasn't very populated and hundreds of years ago.
But where Serbo commune that you know, anybody can come
under our turf you're in a fish run and take
money fishes. They lock you off the long winter and
then leave. You know with Srbo Communal Cooperative Kiddiel there
I suspect that the during the spring fish runs there's
the squashes. You know, they all have their turf, their territories.
You know it's a migrator or something. But we're just
like the tribes. They probably are, Okay, okay, you can
come on our turf. All the fisher here it's been
a long winter coming and eat, you know. Yeah, And
that's what I suspect it's going to be happening suing
with the spring fish runs. That's different clans can meet,
you know, they're keeping no two, but asles looking for
a meat'll start to meet each other. Stuff like that.
Speaker 2: I mean, it makes sense.
Speaker 1: That was my theory. And when I was reading, I
do a lot of history research too. Now that's all
the tribes he did at at Susa Marine or Rappage
are that you know, sort of became a communal thing
when when the fish are run and come on in
and you know there's more than anywhere can never eat,
especially up a lot after a long winter. You know,
the tribes put very easter ride and winters still it
was pretty garsh. We get some winters up there, and
then while across the bridge, like I do a lot
of research them, we're and this is a lot further
south than us even where they you know, if you
go twenty miles north or south, you can feel that
the winter different in winter, you know, and further so
is good th reading tell a difference, but it's there'll
be a cross into the lower peninsul waste alling there
the tribes, one tribe had to build every fall they
were going into winter. This is how bad it is.
Say take all the week old and firm that they
couldn't afford to carry through the winter, and you know
they'd all start up. But they try to keep you know,
load amma, and you know, all the old people and
set them on the raft out to see and wave
them to the lake and wave goodbye with that tight
to make it through the winter. So I look at
is you know it's it's the toughest arrival up. The
tribes head of that top one's here would have a
they move and follow the food. That's what I believe
the bakers also do, is follow the food sources. Just
where the tribes to the summer encampment was by a
lake near me. And in winter they would all just
go to break up and they have their own little
lodge and hope they get a moose over the winter
and meet comic can out of it and survive. You know,
every little family of their a little lodge. But they
would break up, and then you knew, you know, when
springtime came to beat up at this, you know, their
regular encampment site and nobody showed up you know, where
to go look for the bodies. Kind of deal it was.
You know, it was a rough up here for the tribes.
And if the ones up here, I don't know if
they stay here. Well, I know the tracks are been
iPhone tracks in the winter now those to them, and
hell the guy they know has so I mean, I
know some of them stay up here, some may migrate,
the tribes up here, some of them during different times
migrate into like nor with a northern Wisconsin for the
warmer weather and make it through the winter. So and so,
you know, some of them escape where they're at, but different,
you know, different, same the same. There was confederation of
tribes up here with you know, the Chipwall, the Dawa
and Arwami, you know sort of you know where like
a clan or a theme group. Yeah, so they would
some of them apparently had enough okay that they can
come down in your turf better and the dead winter
and you'll be cool at Randa Deale and the mom
disrupted out on site depending what you know, and they
mid do with there's I've been in like ancient fishing
sites where they're process fishing probably, Like no, it's like
you make chemic in or jerky or you know, dry
it out. Yeah, from tribes thousands of years ago. Like,
there's a lot of interesting history up the tribes. But
I'd believe that a lot of the cluest line understanding
how the tribe survives.
Speaker 2: Do you think that the Bigfoot have the same sort
of skill sets that some of those ancient tribes had.
Speaker 1: I would think so. I don't know if they already
use fire or not. It's a big one. You know.
What I've read too, which made sense, is you know,
and I had a couple of questions I look at this, Okay,
it's like they would I've read like you ever have
you ever done any composting for a a garden?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Ever stick your hand in that compost? Yeah, yo, you
know you do it once, you know, do it? Toy?
Speaker 2: Right? All right?
Speaker 1: Well, what I always remember reading like, but I read
somewhere bake put to do is find the spocket, when
to build your little watch or better for the winter,
and dig up the dirt, you know, take it. Don't
keep mixing your there, you know, take a don't mix
it in the dirt, mixing in the dirt, you know,
like probably later in the year where you're gonna have
like basically almost like a compost and then they're gonna leave.
They like always no theater or pine over it and
build it a lot you know where that won't smell
too good, but you're gonna it's gonna kick out some
heat through the winter and keep you freezing. You know. Yeah,
I've read they do that, but I haven't seen any firsthand,
and sort of wonder, like they say they buries are dead,
but I'm like, what do they do in the dead
of winter when you know you've got five feet of
snow and the groans like a rock? You know, how
would they do that? I mean technically if they had
tool you know, basic tools, right, you know, rocks that
you could use almost as like a try would do
to chip away, and you know they built mounts or
dig you know and dig our ditch or whatever. You know,
it's possible you could do that in the dead winter,
but it wouldn't be easy. You're digging You're gonna have
to do with them digging for that. I sort of
wonder what do they do in winter when wonder there
was past as.
Speaker 2: You know, maybe they just uh, you know, hold on
to the bodies until the thaw.
Speaker 1: That's possible too, you know. The do the tribes up here,
it would just bury about grownd they just ad burials.
We bury. They would just bring you to your a
certain certain location and put you in your belongings there
and let mother nature take over.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And then they had a burial place to the cheeps
where they would build like a little picture of bowling
balls about pulling ball sized rocks, maybe about a twelve
or fifteen foot circle, and they would i ridge state,
put the chief in there with his belongings, and they
chewed a deer for its with the deer with hillmil
for his food for his journey to the next next
world or real they call it, you know in their religion,
but after world after like a you're gonna call it.
But no, that's how the tribes get it up here.
Speaker 2: Is there plenty of cover up there for them to
move around from spot to spot like that during the
cold months?
Speaker 1: Oh yes, yes, I'm and I don't know.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: The thing is, there's so many snowmobilers and hikers and
explorers nowadays that I started wonder if they sort of
like you know, stock true toa like you know, maybe
dehyrate like they need to make Peican, you know, yeah,
store food in a lay or roots schedules or whatever
they eat, and you know, maybe they have a place
and they don't move around so much if they got
a little you know, like I said, a little hut
with you know, the compost. But I don't think they
would move as much because you know, you don't people
don't iPhone tracks. But in others how but it's not common,
you know, yeah, you have tore out all the time
with the amount of snow over theres and hunt outdoors
people you know, people with buying tracks more often. So
I don't know if they go so through a sort
of hunker down and have foods stashed away. You know.
Speaker 2: I've kind of got this theory about the rock throwing
thing where I think that it's a something that they
do whenever they get frustrated and want somebody to leave
an area.
Speaker 1: Right, Yes, that's I think too. And in this case,
why would they were you know, it's a it's a
house for they are, I know, if they were just
decided to be you know Bill Kynes that about or
board or whatever. But you know, there could have been Julie's.
You know, even though they're besides rocks, he says, juveniles,
you know, it makes us look like rock shell. Yeah,
my guess is some gug glass growing around. But I
really don't know.
Speaker 2: I'm wondering from like some of the encounters that you're
talking about. I mean, you've got a tremendous amount of
rock throwing incidents going on up there. I'm wondering if
it's uh maybe they're kind of hurting for territory. Maybe uh,
it might be more territorial around there, like a lot
a lot of them living in a small area.
Speaker 1: Well with the guy he the ways away from me
and five there be in woods area. He's even more
on the end of the earth. Okay, but so that
would be different clans. But I know that, you know,
he really was going he can. He's incredible how to
this is now, it's just incredible that I mean he
tends to going to you know, like I said, he
would go into what you know, would be prime curve
for them, and he would you know, go into the
areas that he knew is that these are the kind
of spaces I'll find them, And he would find them
a lot and must got close enough where he didn't
see them. But you know, when trying he had a
big tree shaking out in the middle nowhere. I think
he stopped to look at a map or something. There
was big trees by ambassare shaking. And you know he's
had a lot enough incidents where he tried to stay
out of their turfs because he doesn't want to get
any more rocketing at I mean, one gun get lucky,
and that that would be different plans from from my
area either the way either way from me, you know,
so it would be a different area completely. But and
there's up well in our film meters I know, town
called rock and I haven't I wish you know who
the people were, but I guess they had so much
you know, them coming in and pounding under house or whatever.
Then an ongoing issue for I guess klay well with
them up there. And it's another middle of nowhere place.
I know there had been up in that area of
some sightings. Still it's maybe an hour away from me
or close an hour.
Speaker 2: Do you ever hear stories from the area that have
any of the paranormal stuff going on with them?
Speaker 1: Damn no, I mean they are a fair amount U
Post sidings up here, But as far as direct linkage
to the two, no, I've never heard of anything correct
between the two.
Speaker 2: Any ORB sidings.
Speaker 1: I've not directly tied to them, but I've heard ORB
sightings and I've seen it. I had a pretty incredible
video about up coming down and broke up into pieces
and more pieces right up in Insollan here and I'm
he showed it to me on his phone, and you
know he didn't have mirrornet. You know, he's actually broke
the process of getting evicted. It was pretty incredible, and
you could see right where I mean I grew in
a small tone. I knew, I knew exactly there was
that pole. There was that you know, I knew exactly
where it was redcraft. He was walking his dog. It
must have been there for a while, you walking his dog.
He said he had run there. I always get his
fallen And there was apartment only shot a video that
you know, broke up and just wallichmaller pieces and then
just disappeared, you know. And once again it was near
open fit all open. ID suspect you ople is my
use underwater open you know, like we got a lot
of hold in mineterior open pits for me eten hired
and tunnels of stuffy or sometimes they suspected if they
might go underwater and hide. It was. It was in
that direction of my little open pit that I know
has tunnel lying. But he showed it to me and
I wanted to get I said, well, you know, you
have me internet on a small where you're throwing minutes
And like I said, you supposed to gett kicked out
of the apartment. And I said, I'll catch you later
into it. And then his phone got the screen. I
think you can't get into it. We still got the phone,
so maybe there's a way to get into it to
get a copy of that. But I knowing something gay,
I wouldn't made a video of a video, you know.
And but he was in a hurry. So I'll tetch
you next time in my bucket. Oh yeah, there's some
interesting stuff out here. And you know, and people if
you know a guy, I know him, his body went
out righting out north and they saw one and went
you know. In addition, you know, like Plinty at a
point b like nothing could move like that, and you
know they're pretty deep and the boonies when that happened.
That happened, I know, I think was it. It's you
know within a was in the last year apparent of
things exactly when I think it was fall. But there's
you know, it's been a pair of stuffing on the
stuff up here. It's pretty crazy and you know, just
various stories of that. I'd probably say him out the valve,
but I can't remember. But people seem, you know, like
I said, just crossing the road or something. You know,
there's a number of incidents. And there also another thing
out here with that, like I said, I went to
where they got burieders. I know there are tribal burial
moments up here, and sometimes I wonder if you know
anything that's buried and now you know, or if their moins,
I know, if they're burial Mounagy venders one calls a
burier place to the ancients, which there's two stories that
occurred that I don't know if the same story told
about the same location after we're after different locations. It's
unique up here. Tribes pretty much a lot of the
reservations up here, they're never forcibly relocated like you over
Oklahoma or whatever.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they were.
Speaker 1: You know, they got a reservation where their traditional grounds
were quite often, so you know there's a lot of
They got to stay where they were they're originally call them,
and the tip was here, Ronnie up here for about
five hundred years. They got pushed west by the Iroquois.
There was other tribes here before, but it seemed like
the tribes seemed to get the men before the white
man pushed west west west, you know, a soccer tribe
to push them Furli.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's through a lot of unique tribal history up here.
I'm learning more and more about and you know you
learn from about that, and so what carries over to
the squatches?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I found the same thing here. You know, the
age old question are these things human? Are they animal?
Speaker 1: What?
Speaker 2: What do you think they are?
Speaker 1: Were everything I've read Scissor's they're like park human in
part unknown. We don't really know, Like I mean, they
have like a pliny for example, it's about the muscles,
and you know, a jimper something like that, or a
monkey something that you know, a gorilla there were like
your muscles. They know their pound for pound compared to
human or like ten times stronger, right, and things seem
to be with a squatch. I mean, I think there's
human in down, but there's something else that we don't
really know yet. It's like I mean, and there's enough
you upo incidents that are out there that where I'm
thinks there might be some kind of joint relation between
the two. I mean, I know you know where you know,
I mean where the ex parent who knows. I mean
it's like memory, like a year was there a year
or so ago? The drones out east? Yeah, like I
was on a Navy base out there, and and relationships there.
I mean things that go a big, big boom now
after nine to eleven, you know they I mean I've
been here when you're drunk fisherman and get too close
to the piers the three mile cure. So if the
thing goes boom, hopefully you know, take the time with
your kind of the elk foll of bombs. And he
had to ride a school bus and up and down
the pier, you know, and you know, catch a bus
catch the west the usually team if you're coming to
get catch that you are to trail like to go
to la you know, each went the wrong way. But
it was and I'm in there when it was some
drunk fishermen got too close. It's in a little small
boat and you know they were in a bullhorn. Get
all here, you know, after it was and even Listing
got close, but he was graping up in the microphone
and he went this in or microphone got fired, warning
shot in the air straight out. But you know it
will you know, give you a warning shot and they
screw around. You know. It's a weapons based yeah, And
the fact that there was it was drone they called
them drones or whatever they were, came over Sandy Hook
and went right past that beast and then get shot at.
Keep in mind, I mean, you know there were that
happened a year or two ago. You probably remember. But
the Ukraine been going on for a while and you're watching,
you know, a little small not much bigger on a
hobby drone taking out Abram's tanks. They know these things
can do damage. And you've got ammunition ships there. You know.
They they have maritime patrol boats and they probably by
then had some kind of a more advanced defense, I know,
faylings or something, I know if fany things is. But
now they don't crew around. I mean, you know, you
put a whole in started my weapons ship and they
hit their holding the right place, you're gonna make a
big boom. Yeah, if it's if it's loaded. Hell, but
you could keep It's not hard to figure out, you know.
These days, you could set up up, you know, a
basic security like a telephoto or something and just keep
an eye on what comes and goes. You don't feel
way you wanted to. So, I mean, I know the
it's a weapon space and it was around he's drone
game right over it, and they didn't get shot at.
You know, I'm like something wrong with that bigger or
drones or whatever they were, but I don't really think
they were drones. But you know, I think there's some
kind of relation between UFOs and them, but I'm not
or if they just study them or if they had
part of like creating, who knows. I don't really know
the answer, but I believe Park human and Park when
you know, but it's got that they have that primate strength.
Like I said that, you know, everybody more you read
about them, they only hear about and then picking up
some pretty you know, even though those they're huge, to
pick up something that's incredibly huge, that you know even
that you could go pound for poller to human quint
you know, just for like say your's I said, I'm here, No,
you wouldn't even come close. Or they've seem to have
that like primate strength, which I don't really know all that,
but there's something I'm trying to learn. You know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree one hundred percent. That's something that I've
talked to several people about. How like if they are
in fact responsible for like tree twists. Let's just take
something simple. If you had a human that was say
seven eight foot tall, they wouldn't be able to do that.
Speaker 1: Right if they were you know, some whole cold and
andred giant size human, one could I do what they do?
That would be you know they had smaller squash it was,
you know they're roughly the same ley just huge, huge,
huge human are small or squat? No, No, they do
way more than that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like that thing that you're talking about that they
chunked down the hill. Uh you know that matter how
big all you think? Yeah, yeah, it doesn't matter how
big a human is.
Speaker 1: I'd be lucky to hit ten feet. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so a strong man might be able to do
fifteen twenty.
Speaker 1: But even if actually you give them thirty, this is
like you no a tubo triple? What the strong man
could do? You know, it's insane. Yeah, and actually my
phone it was big, big prints. One thing that I
find could be just could have been a human or otherwise.
But you know, we're they're like twist a tree, you'll
make it like old twirls, you know, just been there
around and around. There was a good size of older
pine yard that looked like so I'd have been done
to that. I had been done to it. You know,
it could have been a human or all squats who know,
its full growing huge now, but it looked like when
it was younger, it had been twisted like uh and
then you know just grew, you know, yeah, because he
was twisted all the way up. I think I get
a picture out somewhere too. But those have been my
advances in this. And I didn't only got out twice
last chardy I mean lock yalous teams. Like when I
listened to the guy, they'd have you know, maybe thirty
you know, not every time, but a surprise in the
high percentage on maybe thirty percent or so when I
went out, wasn't a guarantee, but pretty high odds. When
I was out took his advice. I'd come into something
maybe every third trip. You know, it's it's pretty good.
He was good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's pretty good.
Speaker 1: And that's incredibly good to be seeing most people have
never seen, you know, you talk. You read these lifetime
hunters up that I've been in the woods for the
last fifty years of my life hunting stuff, and I've
never seen anything to support them being there. You know. Yeah,
he'll tell me and I'll have maybe you know, a
one to three cans applying to something. You know, that's
extremely good. Yeah, so he really knows the stuff. Guy,
I should have a TV show or something. But I
listened to him, and I listened to call or smart people.
And I also believe that they have their own language
to a degree different. Maybe there are different dialects through
the North America, but there's these where they can, you know,
not form speech like humans, but maybe maybe one hundred
weard vocabear of different crunch or whatever you know, to
the use that or No, they still gave me to
teach a little samurai chatter. I've read too. In fact,
I've heard of that out that that boat launch area
that or you know, with the dam and a boat
launch air. I remember hearing now you know people here
in like chatter okay, and I've heard of them being
like you know, the almost looks like glowing where there's
a mine not too big, huge open pit minder and
then like even at nights, you know, they run twenty
four hours a day. I mean they got you know,
I don't know if the UCLID truck is it. You know,
it's you know, huge, looks like something off of transport
where its they use these huge trucks and loaded, you know, huge,
huge equipment, and you're the lights and sometimes that night
to see like the globe the night in the night
sky of all those lights, you know, well people talk
about them sort of grolling of I remember hearing the
perims that seame area. I'm trying to remember all the
who told well when it's been forty years, you know
where the team named like glowing or shimmering. Now what
I've read, I think they're they're they're here and might
have like are okay, almost like it all blend into
the colors around it, and well if those lights are
that bright, ringing, you could see it you know, and
the nice sky is all that help under third conditions,
maybe there's enough light where you're that that fur or
hair where we're gonna call it with that howl shaft,
would you know, absorb some of that light and help
where it looks like almost like almost like that a
little glow to them, you know. Yeah, And that's just
my theory of it because I normally don't hear all
things like that, you know. I think that that it
does help them, help them the camouflage and blend into
this into the background better almost like a natural camouflage.
But the light would hit them howl and hair shafts
and greatious enough where you get that chimming effect. You know.
The mind's way away about you guys, such a huge
amount of light there where you can keep from my mouth,
you know. Yeah, it's just a theory, you know. Once again,
I'm not saying I know, but that's my theory on it.
Speaker 2: Well, now I'm thinking about you know, things like fishing
line for instance, and how the light can hit it
at night and it kind of looks like a glowing right.
Speaker 1: Oh, I didn't even think that's a good point something
like that. Now where it seemed like a little bit
of a shimmering effect, you know. Yeah, And you're right,
it would be like almost like fishing lying, you know.
You know, I'm once again it's not out my area
of expertise, but that's my theory on it.
Speaker 2: So what's your main goal in all of this? Are
you trying to prove them or are you just trying
to have a siding.
Speaker 1: I like to have a sightings. I can playing prooffully.
I'm all on it. I should have poured cast a
couple of times. I got we're that summer. I phone them,
I'll play more. I'll be back. I'll playing again. You know,
big deal with you know, I'll part some catholater I
never did all. You get back but you don't get
that's the time you don't get lucky. Yeah, Like last summer,
I only got out twice, but I you know, and
one time guide it. It's real hot. Go into the
river bottom as well. My kid with he's grown up,
he's out and I own a kid and his wife
and his daughter. They're from them. When Milwaukee's are not
going to go, you know, into some of the crazy
places I go, and I couldn't find to good access
to what I've seen at thirteen, and I know it's
a clan in that area, you know, thirteen, and then
they're thirteen into Jubie. Yeah, and it's really hard. Where
he said they'll be down on the river was fairribly
hot on at the river bottoms. And I should have backtracked,
you know, looking back, because I try one side and
there's just that area that's just no good access, you know.
And that's what I've learned. It is by accidenter design.
It's all no roads, don't lead too far into there,
and it's deep. One once, I just deep cliffs on
the inn where you'd have a hard time getting down.
But I'm going. And then I went to that forget it,
I'm just going. And one about another half hour into
that other location and the big, big one was but
it was like swamps in that got rivers and you
said I'll be down by the river bottoms, and I
should have you know that one way or another. I'm
going to have get my kid, and my kid. I
was like, I knew the road where we was bound
at thirteen into Juy and all and my other kid
now and he's like when you have your kid, and
he's like just go back there. I just I should
have looked back on it, because I would have been
if we had set camp there and we could have
hiked for some swamps and but we ended up back
at another spot and we didn't see anything. But my
bigger kids said he heard something big out soid the
tent that night. Now I'd been burning bacon and a
fire and stuff and you know, seeing it like a
draw in. Yeah, but bake increase to stuff. But you know,
he said he's heard something big outside the tent, but
we didn't see anything. He wasn't gonna go stick this
set out. Another time I was out there, I didn't
find any tracks. But I didn't have my phone with
me because my kid los his phones, like you know,
he changed his underwear crunting beal and he los his
some breaks and whatever. Well, I left him with my
phone and I went at a flashmaker just left at
my pocket and walked you know his knighte falling out
there and then knock just moving like reape seet down
you know, the you know the truth tractor. And I
heard something and at first I thought it was wolf
for yoat maybe you know, bark howling, barking, kind of thing,
and I thought dog, you know, it changed so bad
and then something like it was like in the woods.
I wish I had a thrown limit or something. I
didn't have my phone into you know, that's why I'm
so mad. I let him have the phone to play,
you know, play video or play games on the phone.
Let go with And if I didn't my phone, I
would recorded it. But Danie Stone, so bird different bird solids,
and it's just you know, it kept chinking. Solent are
in a distance and it was in the woods, and
I had no idea what it is to that day,
but it you know, it was something like a dog
or a coyote, and then it changed more to a bird.
You're different bird solids. It was like different kinds of bird.
It was weird.
Speaker 2: Huh.
Speaker 1: So I don't know, really you know what that was
or you know, or with some kind of herd or
that you know, media. I don't know where this is.
I just wish i'd recorded it. Yeah, usually able to fall,
and of course there's Daddy's falling and I could play games.
So Daddy goes through in the woods and look for
a scary thing, and I don't going to go looking
for now. Yeah, so he stayed in the van.
Speaker 2: We're a safe I'm interested to hear what you find
with the uh, the fishing spots. I think that's a
good idea.
Speaker 1: I I really think, not only for me, but for
other people. Or the fish run you have to go
out where the fisherman or something more. I mean somewhere
we're up away from you know, like a lot of
times people will be like no salmon, you know, catching
salmon during the runs or whatever. You know, you'd have
to be where further offward and they know that people
wouldn't be you know, after beaten paths, but or if
they're in the middle of New or like out in
Oregon or Washington State, you know, or Wildern's out there
forever you know, I'm mountains, but or if they were
closer to stipulation like I am, where it's still the
boonies but there's camps and there's no people camping and
you know, fishing, and or they got a house in Millanoire,
but where you know they'd be enough fish runs, which
especially with you thinking of train me a long hard winter,
okay up here, And like I knew a guy I
used to work with his He said his parents were
career lifetime cultures like forever and ever and ever. He said,
there was like a month or so in springtime where
they didn't even water to poach them because they're so
scrawny it's not even worth it. But deer and I
remember reading years ago, like with the dairy yards, what
you'll find is I never had I said, I found
a leg, and now it's the eye went and the
gear yard or the bed down. But we're in deep later.
What they'll do with one squad, they'll hide behind the
career whatever you everywhere else. You beast the deer that way,
and he's gonna jump out. Try to grab that deer
with a leg, snap its leg. Okay, yeah, because the
deer is by speed. If you take her out, when
you've got three legs came over, you can catch them,
snap of neck whatever. But was though flying outside the
deer yards in that time, where like I said, it
meets basically useless. The liver has nutrients. You know, it's
probably somewhat depleted, but you'd still have some newt slapped.
You know. The livers are very rich in nutrients. And
well they'll find you know, the deer is the snap
leg and or maybe a broke neck or whatever. None's
been taken out, but somebody rip your rip it got
out and took the liver. You know, that was it,
which would make sense that you know, that's what would
have the nutrients. You're yonder hanging on by a thread
with these kind of interests and they need that nutrition,
you know, and they know that that's that deer is
pretty much use as except for the liver, no even
but stept for at one time I've read about it.
My thought as Tony incident I had with that where
I think they they like, maybe this time you're a
little bit later where the deer or just hang by
a thread where that's sort of needs to go for
a liver, and you're gonna go hit the fisher on
stool because the fisher all of the all coins of
good nutrient and meat and they're hungry.
Speaker 2: Hell yeah.
Speaker 1: So that's my just a theory of mine. The matches,
you know, the tribes stated mixed, and I said they
sort of cooperative, cooperative. When the fisher run on like that,
they would just open ground for other other tribes to
come in. And I mean they are all sort of confederation.
But it wasn't like they looked at as you're invading
our turf. They gave them a free pass, you know. Yeah,
So like a squatch clan that might stay this river
right here, nearess around the area that's hard springtime, they
might be more down in time for them all to
get some food after a long winter. But where the
or their juveniles can interact. And you know, you know,
Junior is looking for a girlfriends and earlier, you know
he's going to meet somebody who is in his sister.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they got to do something, even when.
Speaker 1: The tribes knew that they'd marry come in their people
and other different tribes, and even when they would trade
dogs with different tribes, because they know that if you
injured and up, you're gonna have not a good.
Speaker 2: Thing, you know, yeah, gonna have problems.
Speaker 1: Right, So, I mean even the tribes understood that. So
almost one thing I believe that carry over the squad.
Well just so some of these are just stories of
mine from it, I've bread, but you know, I think
they're credible.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's where the answers start, right. You
got to have a theory to start with.
Speaker 1: Right, and then like blueberry fields in the summer or
just blueberries everywhere. It's one thing. Acorns would be another thing.
They did a lot of swamps, like yeah, cattails, the
roots and all that are eatable just by anything on
fat table, fat tail, the neat and you're gonna have
like rockstortles, muskrats, fevers, which I don't know if you're
really you know, I beaver houses are built like a tank.
I saw a video on YouTube with your looks. Probably
sell up like Upping lask or Canada or something. They've
fallen in an abandoned you know what was a band
and you know, don't even disturbing anything. But they wind
to bought tools of heart, worst store, you know, not
a change or not, but tried to rip into it.
Now like you know, good luck on that. Eventually they
hade a hole. I mean we're talking. They have beavers
rocks in with a you know bran, you know, the
branches and stop ticker building their their hot dollar. They
put big rocks and stuff areas. It took them hours
to get into that. So I mean I think like
if they're going after baber, it's usually beaber hot to have,
like usually two different entrance decksits. You know, a couple
went and one of them beat on the top and
he had one or two others, you know, wait by
their entrances, you could you know, get a couple of
that's and more lunch. Which the tribe city a lot
of beaver. It's there's I do gold prospecting to and
that kind of in one of my gold where I
know gold is there everybody that's now underwater from beaver dams.
It was like, you know, Douglas Holton was then floor
and he went up and looked for he went exploring munch.
He died a couple of weeks later. He was a
state geologist. But you know, people staying here, they don't
know exactly I do. It took me a long time
to figure out what that figure out where he went,
you know, and well what the thing is where he
was there was a summer encampment for the tribe there.
He was near that, and that's in a mile. Well,
if there are any beavers in that area, it would
have became dinner. The everges an arrow there was lunch.
You know, now they're later on I've been I've been
an old nineteen oh one map that showed what the
original layout looked like, but nowadays are called it the
beaver damps are and in that era that there wouln't
have been because you were close to the summer encampment site.
Any beaver's playing lunch. So I believe that you know
anything into swamps, beavers, muskrats, turtles, eggs from like you know,
bird ducks or whatever. You know thing cut to duck
or duck eggs, I mean different frogs. I your broom
had tails. There's but I think a couple other things.
Any swamps that are eatable, I mean where rex. I
think they use the swamps for a lot, but in
like early spring. And that's one of the things I
realized is I don't think they use them much in
early spring because you think about it. Okay, if you're
gonna get wet, what you know, when you get you stay,
you're waiting around. It's in a swamp and it's cold out.
Number one, there aren't get me much. You're gonna flying.
Number two, you're gonna your your your water around and
you know we mighty. Or you're gonna get wet, you're
gonna borrow on energy. You might take a risk get sick,
you know, so I don't think they would use the
swamps so much an early cold weather, but maybe like sprint,
you know this the fish runs the you know, the
deer yards, like I said, going after the deer just
sort of liver stuff like that. And when summer sturts,
you know, the more you learn about who the tribe.
Then when you said that, how the tribes the local
tribes there are you know, different areas that you know,
you know up here they weren't hunting buffalo out on
the planes they were they were hotting deer ear and
buffalo out now in the plane states and up in
the mountains, you know, different different locations and you know,
you look at how the tribes are dipped through that
area you know before you know, over the centuries before
the white man came and change everything, and you would
learn a lot about that. I do wonder how much
of their knowledge of fire is. You know, there's the
tribes that some of me. It was a great responsibility
if you were the fire keeper, because you always had
to keep some ashes and stuff where if the fire
went out, you always had a way to restarted because
they have a big layer to start it. If they were,
and they did have ways that you're starting with moss
and afters are kind of rocks. They would the party
used to start fire with a lot of stuff back
where they would you know, to keep they use the
rocks they have like go pockets and they put moss
in there and putting next to the fire to dry
out real good. And you'd carry them on the those
sacks that you know, this stuff will start easy with.
You know, you'd be like that one that will spark
and you put this on it boldly. You'll get her
fire back that one. But responsibility for tribe fire keeper
was a very important duty. I don't know if the
squatch doesn't know how to do it or not. They
they have someone might have some knowledge of it.
Speaker 2: You know, I'm sure they know what fire is, right, right,
do they know how.
Speaker 1: To control it and use it?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: And I also believe like like you know, I've read
a count to like there you know, people like say
there's a road construction going and then no, no, they'll
they'll be curious sitting there watch it in the trees
and you know, guys go home and people you see
in a fuel counted. Now, the squatter would be a
squat sitting there and bothot some playing with the library.
He knows how if you humans drive this thing and
do a step and I know I watched them push
the leverage, but they know how to do you know,
they don't really understand it. What sort of a monkey
sea monkey? Do you know? Yeah, like if they could
learn how to build a basic dam on the river
or something, you know, or something like that, just basic
things they could learn from human And if they stole
a couple of tools from a human, like an axe
or something, they could figure it out. If they watch
the humans. Who is sitting that guy left in planes
like boom. They do tend to steal soft I mean,
I think they have a limited knowledge. They're not brilliant,
but they understand some things, and they have a place
that sends the language or like the tribes, they know
how to live off the land. But I'm looking forward
to getting back out here when the weather starts to break.
We just got all that snow at a waterfalls. It
means an accent. You know, we got to put a
few feet up here. I mean, you know, like waterfalls
and springtime are just you know, you might know. I
want I like go score waterfalls, and I'm open and
not two weeks hearing you, and get a day off
and going o the boonies and splore a bunch of
the waterfalls out of go to and do a little
looking around while I'm addic. And maybe if I get
time and try to research where the wines are in
which rivers, because I don't really know up here, you know,
maybe I'll check a location or two.
Speaker 2: You know, Yeah, I think it sounds like a good idea.
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