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Speaker 1: Oh, I love that. The track is called the Ineffectuals

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and the band is the Fods, and uh oh, that

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Speaker 2: That is so good.

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Speaker 1: And we've got Rob Critchley from the Fods on the

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phone with us via WhatsApp.

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Speaker 2: Rob, are you there, I'm him? Can you hear me?

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Speaker 1: I can? Yes, yes, Hey, I love this. I love

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that song. And I've been I've been anxious to talk

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to you. You sent us a couple songs. We're gonna play

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the other one at the end of the segment. But

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I love the sound of the Fods. But now it's interesting, though,

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so the Fods tell tell me if I'm if my

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perception is correct. Is it not so much a band

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but more of a collective? Would collective be a better word,

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because it seems to it kind of changes in morphs,

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and and tell us about the Fods.

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Speaker 3: It absolutely changes the morphs. So there's basically two of

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us who write songs. Okay, I write the lyrics and

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I write the lyrics and some of the music. And

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I'm not particularly good musicians. So I send voice notes,

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you know, tinkerings over WhatsApp, and I send it to

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my old school friend of thirty five years and I

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send it over to him who's still in Manchester in

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the UK, and he's he's been in the music business

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with various bands for all that time, and he does

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the majority of the music and putting it all together.

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he's also dirt.

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Speaker 2: Cheap for us release because of hate and he does

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Speaker 3: So there's three of us, and there's also we sometimes

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use a guitarist out of old old band, and we

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sometimes use a vocalist guitarist out of our old band

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from when we were at school. So all and I

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not to age myself here, late nineteen eighties, okay, and

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we were we were in like, uh, you know, a

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school band, and we tried really hard and we didn't

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to university and he carried on in a different morphed

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into a different band and they did okay, and we.

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always like sort.

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Speaker 3: Of following him, and when I was at university in

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London and his band came down and played in London.

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them all and they were good guys, and you know,

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as the two thousands went along, I think he got

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a little bit, you know, chewed up by the music

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industry like a lot of people have done.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and it happens, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 3: So he he was writing really good songs and you know,

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playing half decent venues and you know, not getting any

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traction and not getting any you know, we've been promised

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deals by record companies and they've never come to fruition

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and all that sort of stuff.

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music industry. And during COVID.

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and during COVID they just set up phones and started

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playing their old stuff and under the name of the

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good Stoff Project, they eventually released like six songs or something,

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and they were all done remotely, like in four different rooms,

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and they found a they found a singer who was

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to do with the Fogs, by the way, Yeah, yeah, no, I.

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Speaker 1: Want to learn.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So during COVID.

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album six CP coord remote and released it. And one

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of the songs that's which they didn't do because was

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for whatever reason, they didn't want it on this EP

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and the new singer didn't like it or.

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Speaker 2: Whatever it was.

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can can you you sort of rework.

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envision it and we'll, you know, see where it goes.

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about the old music we.

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we go back and find the seven songs which we

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the late nineties and see what we can do with

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them as well. So that's what we did, and they

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don't argue. EP was the first thing in which we

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put out as the odds. And so there's the two

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of us and we used on that EP four different

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singers and so that's how we sort of developed into

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this collective. And so the four different singers like we

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said yes, we were well, let's try it.

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Speaker 2: Let's see it. And it went quite well.

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few other people who got involved. And as as that album,

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it started to get easier to entice singers to actually

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come and do it for us. Right, So this is

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hear from his vocal performance in the Indefectuals, you can

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Argue EP, and we you know, we've chatted occasionally on

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other shows and you know, in a couple of Discord channels,

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Speaker 2: Go We've got a new song lined up, And he's like, yeah, yeah,

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two weeks. It's sent back, you.

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like really sort of think about what we're going to

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and like it needs bumping up and like so we

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Speaker 2: Coming together really well. And he sent it back and

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we're like, wow, his vocals are even better on this

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first that's great.

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which we are doing are all remote. So Joe's in Florida,

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Speaker 2: He's done loads and loads, but stuff.

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is collaborate. He's got like a couple of bands that

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he's getting a bit more serious with. Okay, but like

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of people's and songs and yeah, people should check him

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out because he's outrageous.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, it's interesting because it's like something that comes

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obviously it was terrible, but we got to find those

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silver linings where we can. And I think one of

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and and and and to collaborate via the Internet. But

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right because you know, yeah, you wouldn't be able to

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connect all of this.

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Speaker 3: So so if if you look at it like it

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Speaker 2: And it's not wrong with that. I'd love to do

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and all that sort of stuff, and then it goes

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it takes like seconds and and he's done. I'm like, Okay,

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Speaker 2: And so the technology is so good these days. You know,

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but he also has a day job and you.

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Speaker 2: Know this is his side hobby. Oh okay, yeah, and

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he's outstanding.

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a singer to do it for like six months and

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eventually we've just had to say to him, look, it's

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been far too long. We need to find someone else.

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Speaker 2: Someone will with the best intentions. Yeah, we'll go.

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really fit my my voice on my tone, and and

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Speaker 3: I've not got around to it yet, you know, give me,

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Speaker 2: So this little back and forth goes on, and it

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Speaker 1: Awkward, you know, yeah, no doubt and no doubt.

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Speaker 3: And eventually I had to say to him, look, I

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know you really want to do this, but like you've

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had it for six months and pre want to try

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and get an album out in.

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Speaker 2: January or February or March or sometime.

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Speaker 3: I don't know whether you're going to get me any

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Speaker 2: Put on it. Yeah, yeah, I get it.

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a particular person, you think this song, I think will

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to find like someone who's got a sound which we

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which was never really meant to be like It turned

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song and it was never never meant to be like that.

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it that vibe. Yeah, and it came back and we

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Speaker 2: Book great, you know.

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do is have these singers put their mark on our

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songs as well, because there's no point me's sending a

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settling something off and saying right, I mean this probably

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won't happen, but like we've got a sound, a song

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that sounds like europe m made this like Joey Tempest, right.

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Speaker 2: Right, that's pointless.

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Speaker 3: So we want them to put their own stamp, and

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we've got obviously Laura is a female, so we've we're

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looking to get female singers into it as well, which

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Speaker 2: Sort of sound for us.

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like guys singing it like if we like, we've got

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we're going to release them. We weren't going to even

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release this, but one of the songs sound came out

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sounding so good that we're right the middle of October

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we're going to release it and see what people think.

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Speaker 2: Oh really, it's sort of a blues blues ballady type thing.

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so we'll see.

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Speaker 2: But like we love it, so yeah, see what people think.

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Speaker 1: That must be exciting for you though, because as as

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you're coming up with these ideas for these songs and

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you're you're putting lyrics together and so forth, that you know,

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it sounds like it's it's kind of an adventure because

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know exactly what's going to happen to it, and obviously

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to it. But with working with these different singers, you

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don't know until it happens what kind of a stamp

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they're going to put on it. And that just must

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be that must be very exciting. I would think, you

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know that.

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huge step into the unknown. Yeah, so we're like, right,

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to a bit more dancy type of stuff and I'd

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we we don't tend to stick to one genre. Yeah,

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I'll just put out something a little bit more dancing,

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sort of like that. And I wrote these lyrics. It's

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a song called Fuel and hopefully we'll be out around

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Christmas all New York, okay. And I wrote it and

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it's called Fuel, and I was thinking about, like, you know,

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maybe a bit hedonistic and you know, dancing o'clock in

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the morning and all that sort of stuff. And the

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way it's turned out is like a I don't even

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know what the term for it. It's like sludge stone

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and metal, so it's gone into a totally different like

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genre and spectrum.

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Speaker 2: I never thought it was, but it's brilliant. It's brilliant.

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Speaker 3: And when we actually gave it to the band who

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did it, they were like, what you're expecting from this?

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just leave it with me.

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Speaker 2: I've got this.

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Speaker 3: And he came back and he's a vocal and he's

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also done a.

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Speaker 2: Guitar solo for it.

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Speaker 3: And if someone has said to me, I wrote it,

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you know, eighteen months ago, and someone said to me

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eighteen months ago, you'll have this.

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like that, and I'll be like, Okay, that's cool. But yeah,

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even writing the lyrics, you don't know where it's it's

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going to go, and you've always got something you know

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in your mind slightly yeah you know who knows?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, No, that's uh, that's really cool. And so

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Speaker 1: Where does the name? You probably get this question what

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is a far.

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 3: So if you listen to me, I've got a bit

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of an accent, right, yes, from a place called Warrington

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in Cheshire, which is just that side of Manchester in

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the UK, and we all sort of grew up there

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an old mill town and the Euston mill wire in

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the in the in the factories in Warrington. Yeah, and everyone,

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my accent is not too bad because I say in

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a broad that's the right word.

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Speaker 2: Sorry, yeah, because.

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Speaker 3: I went to University of London and then I was

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so down there for ten year is and then I've

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Speaker 3: Well, if you're from if you're from Warrington, you say

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things in a particular way, okay, And all our guitarist

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Speaker 2: Place called is from a place called Orford in Warrenton. Okay.

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And if you say Orthored in a Warrington accident, say orthored.

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Speaker 3: Ah, yeah, see what I do, I do drop We've

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dropped the or off. And so basically, if you say

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it right, you would be the authors.

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Speaker 1: Gotcha.

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Speaker 2: Now we're just the fodds.

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Speaker 1: Gotcha.

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Speaker 2: Gotcha is Yeah, it's.

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Speaker 3: It's a it's a shortened version of Orford said in

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a Warrington accent.

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Speaker 1: That makes sense, That makes sense, well, Rob, Unfortunately, the

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time goes quickly and I want to make sure we

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get this last h this last single in shopping. But

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we'll have to have you back soon, definitely, when the

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next single is ready, we'll have you back, and we'll

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we'll book a longer block of time because i'd love

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to talk to you more.

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Speaker 3: But no, that, yeah, that sounds great. The new single,

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I'll drop it over to you as well. Oh wonderful

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is very much enough and it's out on I think

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October seventeens.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so I'll.

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Speaker 3: Drop that over to you and you can have a

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little preview for for it and have a little listen

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Speaker 2: I would love to love to get on with you again, yeah,

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whenever it's good for you to be honest.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, great, No, that'll give us an excuse to

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get you booked again quickly, because I do want to

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have a longer conversation with you. But well, we're gonna good,

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We're gonna spend this track shopping and this is with So,

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this is with Ora Davis on vocals.

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Speaker 3: Correct, Yes, okay, she's yeah. I found her when we

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first started looking for people, and I never thought you'd

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give us a shot either.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but people, people are generous with their time and

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generous with their talents.

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Speaker 3: And you know, we're grateful for for all the people

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that we've worked with, and we hope they've had a

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good experience with it as well, because you know, we've

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got something really good out of all this experience and

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everyone that we speak to it seems to well, you know,

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people are nice and may not tell us the truth.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, gotcha. All right, Rob, we will let you go.

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We're gonna spin this track. But thank you so much

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for joining us. And yeah, well we'll have you back

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on soon for sure.

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Speaker 2: Sounds good. I appreciate you, Thanks very much.

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Speaker 1: All right, you got it, Rob, Thank you?

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Speaker 2: Bybye, all right, sweet too, by bye bye bye.

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Speaker 1: All right. That is that's Rob from the Fods. Let's

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give this a spin. I really love this too. I

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love their sound. Both of these songs are really good.

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But earlier we played the ineffectuals. We're gonna play this.

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This is Shopping by the Fods. And then after this,

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Jenny and I will be back for a quick minute

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before we run out of show. We'll tell you about

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what we're doing later today. If you want to join us.

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But here it is the Fods. The track is called

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Shopping