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<v Speaker 1>Wow, My Billy Cunningham, the Great America and of course

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<v Speaker 1>Reds Baseball kicks off in about an hour and a

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<v Speaker 1>half in Boston. They had a suspended game. They're losing

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<v Speaker 1>two to one in the fourth fifth. They're going to

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<v Speaker 1>hopefully win two today. But until then, Vake Ramaswami, the

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<v Speaker 1>man who would be governor, welcome again to the Bill

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<v Speaker 1>Cunningham Show in veg. First of all, before we talk

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<v Speaker 1>about property tax relief two point seventy five percent flat tax.

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<v Speaker 1>Before we talk about overriding governmental governor's vetos some I'm

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<v Speaker 1>sixty seven of them. Fundraising hall, I saw this in

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<v Speaker 1>the Columbus Dispatch. A record was set by you in

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<v Speaker 1>raising money to become the next governor of Ohio. Please

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<v Speaker 1>tell the American people what happened.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, look, I think we have unprecedented unity in our

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<v Speaker 2>Republican party, Billy. At this point, I'm running unopposed in

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<v Speaker 2>the Republican primary.

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<v Speaker 3>We've achieved great unity.

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<v Speaker 2>I've traveled over sixty of the counties in the state

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<v Speaker 2>already in the last several months. We raised what no,

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<v Speaker 2>Nine point seven million dollars in the first four months

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<v Speaker 2>of this campaign, which sets a record and history of

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<v Speaker 2>our state for what a first quarter of fundraising looks like.

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<v Speaker 2>And yet at the same time, that's coming from bottom

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<v Speaker 2>up donations forty thousand plus donors, and a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>these are small dollar.

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<v Speaker 3>Donors as well.

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<v Speaker 2>To me, that shows a grassroots uprising that really says

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<v Speaker 2>that we want to take our state to the next level.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's the message that really is getting people aboard

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<v Speaker 2>this campaign across the state, up and down. Billy is

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<v Speaker 2>We're not just leading Ohio to be one of the

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<v Speaker 2>best in the Midwest, because frankly, we are already the

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<v Speaker 2>best in the Midwest. I'm in this toled Ohio to

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<v Speaker 2>be the top state in the country, to raise a

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<v Speaker 2>young family, to build a business, to give our kids

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<v Speaker 2>a world class education. And the fact that as a

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<v Speaker 2>first time statewide candidate here we're able to achieve this

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<v Speaker 2>level of unity not just in our Republican party, but

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<v Speaker 2>to have even in that base of donors many independents,

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<v Speaker 2>many first time political donors, forty thousand of them. And

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<v Speaker 2>to break fundraising records when you have seasoned political veterans

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<v Speaker 2>that have historically been the ones who have run for governor,

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<v Speaker 2>I think it just says a lot less about me,

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<v Speaker 2>but more about the energy that we have in our

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<v Speaker 2>state for this new vision.

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<v Speaker 1>And Vivek, when you talk to the power brokers of

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<v Speaker 1>which you're not a part, when I talk to those

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<v Speaker 1>who have raised money for a long time, and some

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<v Speaker 1>of the gray beards, they won a Republican party like

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<v Speaker 1>a country club Republican party and not a cloth coat

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<v Speaker 1>Republican party. When you say like, we're going to make

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<v Speaker 1>the states so much better for those who've been entrenched

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<v Speaker 1>in power for a long time, they don't want to

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<v Speaker 1>hear that. They think the state's already wonderful, can't be

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<v Speaker 1>any better. So when Viveke Ramaswami comes horizontally to politics,

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<v Speaker 1>not vertically, some of the power brokers say, well, who

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<v Speaker 1>the hell is this guy? Even though he was a

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<v Speaker 1>valedictorian in the Senate class, he spent a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>time out and out west. He's a billionaire and he's

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<v Speaker 1>here now in Ohio. Who in the hell is the

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<v Speaker 1>bag Ramaswami? Why does he think he can be the

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<v Speaker 1>next governor? And we have a lineup of other shall

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<v Speaker 1>we say, office holders ready to take over. Why does

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<v Speaker 1>the vag Rama Swami want to do this? When you're

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<v Speaker 1>a billionaire already.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Sometimes members of my family have asked me that

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<v Speaker 2>question as well, Billy, But when you have a call

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<v Speaker 2>to serve, you can't put that call back in the bottle, right,

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<v Speaker 2>And I think we're each put here for a purpose.

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<v Speaker 2>This country, in this state, frankly, has allowed me to

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<v Speaker 2>achieve an American dream at a height that my parents

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<v Speaker 2>would have never imagined when we were born and raised

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<v Speaker 2>in Cincinnati, growing up in Westchester, and then growing up

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<v Speaker 2>in Evendale, Ohio after that. This is what makes this

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<v Speaker 2>country extraordinary is that now I'm in a position to

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<v Speaker 2>lead that very state. After founding successful businesses, after marrying

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<v Speaker 2>my wife, Aporva, who's one of the most successful throat surgeons.

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<v Speaker 3>In the country, she's at Ohio State.

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<v Speaker 2>She's lived the American dream, the kid of immigrants to

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<v Speaker 2>this country who came here again with little to their name.

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<v Speaker 2>The extraordinary thing about that story is that it's not

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<v Speaker 2>that extraordinary in the United States of America, and I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think it should be extraordinary in the state of

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<v Speaker 2>Ohio either. I want every one of the kids born

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<v Speaker 2>and raised in our state to be able to live

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<v Speaker 2>that same American dream at even greater heights.

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<v Speaker 3>Than I have. But that's going to.

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<v Speaker 2>Take I think somebody who's willing to lead our state

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<v Speaker 2>to the next level, somebody is willing to be ambitious.

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<v Speaker 2>And I want to bring that sense of ambition back

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<v Speaker 2>to our country, our culture, our state, our politics, to

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<v Speaker 2>say that we're the state to put a man in

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<v Speaker 2>the moon. We're the state that sent the first American

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<v Speaker 2>into orbit around the Earth. We're the state that sent

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<v Speaker 2>the Right Brothers to fly at a moment they were

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<v Speaker 2>told to believe that was impossible. I think that ambition

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<v Speaker 2>is part of our heritage as Ohio. It's part of

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<v Speaker 2>our heritage as the United States of America. And I

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<v Speaker 2>want us to aspire to more, to be more ambitious

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<v Speaker 2>in education, in academics, to be more ambitious from science

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<v Speaker 2>to the arts, to economic ambition, to even ambition in

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<v Speaker 2>what we hope to achieve for our kids, Spiritually ambitious,

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<v Speaker 2>morally ambitious in every domain of our life, to expect

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<v Speaker 2>more of ourselves. And yet in order to do that,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think it's going to take a politician from

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<v Speaker 2>yesterday's model of coming out on an assembly line that

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<v Speaker 2>produces politicians that climb the rungs of a ladder and

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<v Speaker 2>then end up in the seat of governor, inspiring their

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<v Speaker 2>whole life.

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<v Speaker 3>To do it. That has not been my life aspiration.

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<v Speaker 3>I promise you that you bring up the same point

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<v Speaker 3>in your question.

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<v Speaker 2>I've never set up my whole life with the goal

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<v Speaker 2>of being a governor or even being a politician. But

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<v Speaker 2>I'm in this because I've lived that American dream. I

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<v Speaker 2>think it's going to take a businessman and someone with

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<v Speaker 2>an entrepreneur's mentality to bring that ambition of leading our

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<v Speaker 2>state to the next level. And I'll be glad to

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<v Speaker 2>work with many of the people, and we will work

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<v Speaker 2>with many of the people who have that experience in

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<v Speaker 2>our state to be able to not only bring the ambition,

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<v Speaker 2>but actually get things done, like moving to zero income taxation,

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<v Speaker 2>like putting a cap on property taxation, like lifting up

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<v Speaker 2>our educational standards.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not just going to talk about it. Really, we're

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<v Speaker 3>going to get it done.

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<v Speaker 2>That's that's part of an entrepreneur's mentality too, and that

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<v Speaker 2>requires working with many of those people who have been

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<v Speaker 2>experienced in state government, most of whom are already supporting

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<v Speaker 2>me in the state. But it's going to be that

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<v Speaker 2>team effort led by a businessman, an entrepreneur, and at

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<v Speaker 2>this point in our history, a political outsider at the

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<v Speaker 2>top to help get Ohio to be the top state

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<v Speaker 2>in the country, not just living in the shadow of

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<v Speaker 2>Texas or Florida. If we do our jobs right, it's

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<v Speaker 2>going to be Texas and Florida following Ohio's lead, not

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<v Speaker 2>the other way around.

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<v Speaker 1>Favek Ramaswami, you talk about a zero percent income tax.

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<v Speaker 1>Right now, the state budget appears to be a flat

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<v Speaker 1>tax of two point seventy five percent. And when I

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<v Speaker 1>talk to Matt Huffman and others in Columbus, they tell

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<v Speaker 1>me there's a potential catastrophe coming next year that you'll

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<v Speaker 1>have to deal with, and that is that if Ohioans

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<v Speaker 1>vote to eliminate all real estate taxes and vivek Ramaswami

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<v Speaker 1>wants to eliminate all income taxes, I'm told by Huffman

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<v Speaker 1>and others at these sales tax would have to be

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<v Speaker 1>like twenty percent to make up the differential.

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<v Speaker 3>There's such a thing as a pretty Look, there's a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of extrapolation going on there.

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<v Speaker 2>First of all, they're saying that if there's a new

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<v Speaker 2>ballot measure that does eliminate the property tax. Obviously, in

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<v Speaker 2>that scenario, we'd have to take a revised look. But

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<v Speaker 2>the catastrophe that I see is actually the catastrophe of

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<v Speaker 2>property taxes being way too high and burdening Ohioans in

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<v Speaker 2>a way that too many of our politicians have ignored

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<v Speaker 2>for too long. Correct And to be clear, I want

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<v Speaker 2>to praise the legislature for getting to a flat income tax.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's a great step forward. But I also

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<v Speaker 2>think that you know, at least as where we're sitting today,

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<v Speaker 2>there is no major property tax reform that people have

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<v Speaker 2>been clamoring for. And I do think that property tax

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<v Speaker 2>reform is necessary. And so if people across the state

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<v Speaker 2>are clamoring, and they are with good reasons, paying more

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<v Speaker 2>in their property taxes than they do on the principle

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<v Speaker 2>and interest repayments on their mortgage combined, that's unjust.

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<v Speaker 3>It's Unamerican.

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<v Speaker 2>It's antithetical to our values in Ohio. It's your land,

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<v Speaker 2>not the governments. But when you're paying more in property

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<v Speaker 2>taxes than you are on your principle and interest on

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<v Speaker 2>your mortgage, it feels like the land that you own

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<v Speaker 2>is really just the least from the government.

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<v Speaker 3>And that's wrong.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's the job of elected leaders to stand up

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<v Speaker 2>and deliver that reform that are people need, that they're

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<v Speaker 2>clamoring for. And if they don't, then you know what,

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<v Speaker 2>the people are going to take it into their own

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<v Speaker 2>hands and do it via constitutional amendment. But what I

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<v Speaker 2>will say is that I'm prepared as governor to look

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<v Speaker 2>to the future of bringing down property taxes, putting a

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<v Speaker 2>ceiling on them, while also sensibly putting our state on

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<v Speaker 2>the path to.

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<v Speaker 3>Zero income tax.

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<v Speaker 2>If that ballot measure passed, we'd obviously have to rethink

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<v Speaker 2>the overall approach to tax policy.

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<v Speaker 3>It'd be a zero property tax then.

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<v Speaker 2>But my view is we have a coherent plan to

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<v Speaker 2>both cap property taxes as well as to take income

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<v Speaker 2>tax including capital gains taxation, down to zero in our

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<v Speaker 2>state to make Ohio the most competitive state in the

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<v Speaker 2>country for entrepreneurs and younger workers to move into to

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<v Speaker 2>remain in. So many of our young people, Billy, you

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<v Speaker 2>know this, they'll leave our state to pursue opportunity elsewhere

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<v Speaker 2>after getting educated here. I want to turn that ship around,

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<v Speaker 2>not by forcing them to stay here, but by making

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<v Speaker 2>this so obviously the state where the best opportunities are

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<v Speaker 2>available to them, and that means that we have to

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<v Speaker 2>compete with Texas and Tennessee and Florida states that are

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<v Speaker 2>zero income tax states. Today, so many of our people

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<v Speaker 2>are flocking and I'm not going to be a governor

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<v Speaker 2>of a state where people are leaving. I want to

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<v Speaker 2>be a governor of a state where we have people

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<v Speaker 2>and businesses moving in and moving back in. That's what

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<v Speaker 2>motivates me to run, and it's a big part of

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<v Speaker 2>why I think it is going to take someone coming

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<v Speaker 2>from the outside to lead our state to the next level.

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<v Speaker 2>A great state already, I want to give credit where.

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<v Speaker 3>Credit is due.

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<v Speaker 2>We're a great state, but great is not good enough.

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<v Speaker 2>We want to be the greatest version of ourselves. And

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<v Speaker 2>that's where I'm here to lead us.

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<v Speaker 1>Serveg Ramaswami way of cities and collapse. Of course, you're

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<v Speaker 1>a Cincinnati, and I think the last Cincinnati and we

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<v Speaker 1>had his governor. It was probably John J. Gilligan, and

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<v Speaker 1>was terrible. But nonetheless, you may not be aware of this,

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<v Speaker 1>but Cincinnati is in the throes of a terrible crime

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<v Speaker 1>wave in which every year, according to a shot Spotterer.

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<v Speaker 1>Cincinnati and about ten different zip codes. We have hundreds

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<v Speaker 1>have a police force which is down one hundred and

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<v Speaker 1>fifty cops. We have many judges that don't want to

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<v Speaker 1>send people to prison. The governor's job I guess specifically

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<v Speaker 1>about crime, and I would think Cleveland, Toledo, Dayton, Columbus.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know much about Columbus, but I assume it

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<v Speaker 1>was not much different, just as his son of immigrants

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<v Speaker 1>and a person of color. Why do we have such

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<v Speaker 1>unspeakable violence in urban areas? Because we can't be a

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<v Speaker 1>great city and great state unless we have great cities.

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<v Speaker 1>And right now there's fleeting out of Cincinnati and Columbus

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<v Speaker 1>and Dayton and Toledo and Cleveland. And what can you

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<v Speaker 1>of the circumstances in which they find themselves. We can't

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, look, I don't speak as a person of color,

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<v Speaker 2>or as a Republican or any other label. Let's put

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<v Speaker 2>it aside because I don't view everything through a racialized lens.

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<v Speaker 2>What I view it through the lens of consense.

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<v Speaker 3>Most Americans, I don't care whether you're black.

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<v Speaker 2>White, brown, or anything in between. I don't even care

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<v Speaker 2>whether you're a Democrat or Republican. Most Americans believe correctly

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<v Speaker 2>that we're founded on the rule of law, and we've

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<v Speaker 2>got to fly that rule of law even handily in

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<v Speaker 2>all directions. And right now, the fact of the matter

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<v Speaker 2>is the police in our cities are not fully equipped

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<v Speaker 2>and able to do their jobs well. I don't want

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<v Speaker 2>them to look over their shoulders the fear of being sued.

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<v Speaker 2>I want them to be able to apply the rule

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<v Speaker 2>of law regardless of I don't want people to bring

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<v Speaker 2>any color focused or raised focused legs in a color

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<v Speaker 2>blind way, in a neutral manner to restore law and

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<v Speaker 2>order to actually apply the laws we already have on

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<v Speaker 2>the books. In many cases, we don't need new laws. Arguably,

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<v Speaker 2>I think in the country and even in the state,

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<v Speaker 2>we have too many laws, and it's very confusing for

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<v Speaker 2>people in ordinary citizens to follow them. What we need

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<v Speaker 2>is simple laws that are actually enforced in an even

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<v Speaker 2>handed way. I don't think that's too much to ask.

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<v Speaker 2>This is not about left versus right. This is about

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<v Speaker 2>up versus down. It's about common sentence, and that's certainly

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<v Speaker 2>what I want to bring to the leadership of our state.

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<v Speaker 2>But there, I say, Billie, hopefully in a way that

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<v Speaker 2>sets the standard for other states across our country as well.

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<v Speaker 2>I was in Los Angeles a couple of weeks ago

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<v Speaker 2>the areas where buildings were being defaced. Earlier this month,

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<v Speaker 2>I was in Minnesota as earlier this month, in the

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<v Speaker 2>last month as well. Is are states where when I

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<v Speaker 2>say we're the best in the Midwest, I can confirm

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<v Speaker 2>that after having visited Minnesota, we are the best in

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<v Speaker 2>the Midwest.

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<v Speaker 3>But it's sad because I've had.

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<v Speaker 2>A story from somebody who was in Minnesota who told

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<v Speaker 2>of his car put there because of the bumper sticker

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<v Speaker 2>he had in the back of his car.

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<v Speaker 3>That's not America. That's not American.

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<v Speaker 2>If we disagree with one another, let's settle it at

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<v Speaker 2>the ballot box, through civil discourse and debate at our best,

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<v Speaker 2>even getting together at the dinner table.

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<v Speaker 3>At the end of it. That's the Cincinnati I grew

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<v Speaker 3>up into.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the Ohio I grew up into, and that's the

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<v Speaker 2>Ohio in the America I want to bring back to

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<v Speaker 2>our country. But it does start with an even handed

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<v Speaker 2>enforcement of the rule of law. We're fully behind our police,

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<v Speaker 2>were fully behind our sheriff's offices across the state, many

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<v Speaker 2>of whom I've already visited with to bring back that

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<v Speaker 2>common sense of law and order. Frankly, some of it

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<v Speaker 2>starts even at a young age. Billy, one of the

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<v Speaker 2>things I want to do in our educational reform is

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<v Speaker 2>actually to give teachers, especially in our inner cities, something

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<v Speaker 2>they've been clamoring for, something they've been asking for but

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<v Speaker 2>have been falling on deaf ears. We have the ability

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<v Speaker 2>to bring discipline back to the classroom many principles. Teachers

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<v Speaker 2>no longer can discipline a student, even for issuing threats,

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes even for physical violence that teachers' hands are tied.

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<v Speaker 3>That wasn't that way in the nineteen nineties, and I

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<v Speaker 3>think it's wrong today.

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<v Speaker 2>I think we need it to be able to be

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<v Speaker 2>a state of common sense that sets a standard for

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<v Speaker 2>the United States. Eighty plus percent of US across the country,

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<v Speaker 2>and I believe more than eighty plus percent of us

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<v Speaker 2>in Ohio are rooting for that outcome.

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<v Speaker 3>There's a governor.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what I want to bring, not in a partisan way,

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<v Speaker 2>but in a unifying way. Even as parents of children

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<v Speaker 2>in the next generation, that's.

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<v Speaker 3>Part of what we want for our kids.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a father of two sons, and I speak for

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<v Speaker 2>my wife and I both when I say this is

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<v Speaker 2>we want them to grow up into a country in

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<v Speaker 2>a state where law and order is respected, where they're

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<v Speaker 2>in an education system where there's a sense of order

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<v Speaker 2>and discipline. That's part of what it means to be

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<v Speaker 2>an educated citizen in the state of Ohio. That's part

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<v Speaker 2>of what we're going to bring here, and it's a

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<v Speaker 1>Well, we have to run but a veg rama swamp.

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<v Speaker 1>You've set records when it comes to fundraising, and we

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<v Speaker 1>can't be a great nation when New York is run

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<v Speaker 1>by a communist named mom Donnie that Johnson and Chicago

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<v Speaker 1>is in complete collapse. The school system is awful. In

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<v Speaker 1>Los Angeles, there's skid row and fornication and urin nation

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<v Speaker 1>all over city streets. And there's ten cities one hundred

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<v Speaker 1>thousand homeless and two hundred thousand gang members in the

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<v Speaker 1>city of Los Angeles, and I wont Cincinnati, Columbus and Cleveland, Toledo, Dayton.

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<v Speaker 1>I went to law school in Toledo to be shining

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<v Speaker 1>cities on the hill and right now they're not. And

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<v Speaker 1>it's said, we can't be a great state with lousy

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<v Speaker 1>cities and viveke Ramaswami. We'll see what happens down the road.

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<v Speaker 1>But once again, thanks for checking in to your hometown

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<v Speaker 1>here in Cincinnati, and may God bless you and God

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<v Speaker 1>bless America. I have a great Fourth of July you

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<v Speaker 1>and your family, Thank you.

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<v Speaker 3>Of AC Happy for my friend.

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<v Speaker 1>Take care, God bless America. Let's continue with more your

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<v Speaker 1>reaction five one, three, seven, four, nine, seven thousand. Rights

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