WEBVTT 1 00:00:03.080 --> 00:00:07.160 In a world where fairways meet the airwaves, where Bertie's 2 00:00:07.320 --> 00:00:11.080 and Banker collide. Welcome to the show that takes you 3 00:00:11.160 --> 00:00:14.560 beyond the clubhouse and onto the green. There's Balls and 4 00:00:14.599 --> 00:00:18.480 T's your passport to the golfing universe where every swing 5 00:00:18.800 --> 00:00:22.519 tells the story and every part has its punchline. Get 6 00:00:22.559 --> 00:00:25.640 ready to step onto the large screens and dive into 7 00:00:25.719 --> 00:00:35.280 the world of diveds, drives and delightful better the Magician. 8 00:00:42.560 --> 00:00:46.039 Alright, ladies and gentlemen, it is yet another Wednesday evening 9 00:00:46.119 --> 00:00:48.560 and you are chilling here with the one and only 10 00:00:48.640 --> 00:00:50.880 Tony Tone, the Magician, the ball with the Lord of Flow. 11 00:00:51.000 --> 00:00:54.679 I am a classic man, and ladies and gentlemen, for 12 00:00:54.719 --> 00:00:56.520 those who have been following us from the get go, 13 00:00:56.640 --> 00:00:58.920 I just want to say thank you for those who've 14 00:00:59.000 --> 00:01:02.799 just joined us and stumbled upon us. Listen, work come 15 00:01:02.840 --> 00:01:05.439 to Balls and is the only relevant podcast when it 16 00:01:05.480 --> 00:01:08.840 comes to golf talk, Ladies and gentlemen. Today is gonna 17 00:01:08.840 --> 00:01:13.400 be an amazing, amazing show because we've got an expect 18 00:01:14.079 --> 00:01:18.959 when it comes to everything that has to do with golf, 19 00:01:19.120 --> 00:01:21.719 whether it be the journalism part, whether it be the 20 00:01:21.760 --> 00:01:25.920 equipment part. And I can definitely assure you that this 21 00:01:26.040 --> 00:01:28.879 lady has played golf for most of her life. But 22 00:01:29.200 --> 00:01:31.200 without even spoiling the bin. I just want to say, 23 00:01:31.239 --> 00:01:33.319 you know what to do before we get into the show, 24 00:01:33.319 --> 00:01:35.959 because it's gonna get heated. You just need to get 25 00:01:36.000 --> 00:01:39.519 yourself that ice cold water. I know it's raining, and 26 00:01:39.640 --> 00:01:43.159 how thing, guys, it's been raining since weekend and it's 27 00:01:43.239 --> 00:01:46.480 not stopping. It's just been continuously raining. Please make sure 28 00:01:46.480 --> 00:01:48.959 that you keep warm, take a lot of vitamins, if 29 00:01:49.000 --> 00:01:52.400 you go to the gym, make sure that you are 30 00:01:52.519 --> 00:01:55.560 doing the right thing. But today we are about to 31 00:01:55.719 --> 00:01:59.920 hit things up and make sure that everything everything around 32 00:02:00.159 --> 00:02:04.239 you tends hot. Because we've got the best, the best 33 00:02:04.280 --> 00:02:07.200 of the best, as I said, So go ahead, get 34 00:02:07.239 --> 00:02:09.560 yourself the glass of water, and then now we'll be 35 00:02:09.639 --> 00:02:12.680 back in two minutes. We will then get into the show. 36 00:02:13.039 --> 00:02:13.719 I'll catch you. 37 00:02:13.719 --> 00:02:21.520 Now in a world where fairways meet the airwaves, where 38 00:02:21.599 --> 00:02:25.879 Birdie's and Banker collide. Welcome to the show that takes 39 00:02:25.919 --> 00:02:29.400 you beyond the clubhouse and onto the green. This is Balls, 40 00:02:29.400 --> 00:02:33.039 and t's your passport to the golfing universe, where every 41 00:02:33.080 --> 00:02:37.000 swing tells the story and every part has its punchline. 42 00:02:37.199 --> 00:02:40.240 Get ready to step onto the last greens and dive 43 00:02:40.319 --> 00:02:50.159 into the world of diveds drives and delightful better the magician. 44 00:02:58.879 --> 00:03:02.080 All right, ladies and gentlemen, come back. As I said, 45 00:03:02.240 --> 00:03:05.319 you are here and it's the only relevant podcast when 46 00:03:05.360 --> 00:03:08.120 it comes to golf talk and today, ladies and gentlemen, 47 00:03:08.280 --> 00:03:12.599 I'm excited. I am so ecstatic because let me give 48 00:03:12.599 --> 00:03:14.840 you a bit of background. So I started playing golf 49 00:03:14.919 --> 00:03:18.120 in two thousand and two, and that was through the 50 00:03:18.199 --> 00:03:22.560 South African Golf Development bought and when I got there, 51 00:03:23.439 --> 00:03:27.280 once in a while we would get a little gazette, 52 00:03:27.400 --> 00:03:29.919 I don't want to say a newspaper, say a gazette 53 00:03:30.280 --> 00:03:33.960 called Tea to Green and I enjoyed reading it so 54 00:03:34.080 --> 00:03:37.159 much because it had the latest news, it had the 55 00:03:37.599 --> 00:03:41.520 latest equipment, and there were articles where they would give 56 00:03:41.639 --> 00:03:46.000 tips on how to actually improve particular or certain aspects 57 00:03:46.039 --> 00:03:49.759 of your game. So, without any furthereral you, ladies and gentlemen, 58 00:03:49.879 --> 00:03:55.479 please allow me to welcome the co founder of Tea 59 00:03:55.560 --> 00:04:00.400 to Green, Lean Jones Lean. How did you today? 60 00:04:01.800 --> 00:04:04.759 Oh, hello, Tony, I'm excing me. Well, thank you, just 61 00:04:04.879 --> 00:04:06.800 part the weather and I wasn't sure you were talking 62 00:04:06.879 --> 00:04:08.599 about me and I thought you had another guest on 63 00:04:08.680 --> 00:04:15.039 the show. Thank you for that. Well. 64 00:04:15.439 --> 00:04:17.639 I tried my best, but I don't think I actually 65 00:04:17.959 --> 00:04:22.120 did justice to your name. If you don't mind, would 66 00:04:22.160 --> 00:04:27.279 you mind reintroducing yourself in the pomena and just let 67 00:04:27.360 --> 00:04:30.639 our audience know executly who you are and how do 68 00:04:30.879 --> 00:04:34.000 you find yourself within the golfing. 69 00:04:33.759 --> 00:04:41.120 Space, Tony Well. In nineteen ninety seven, we launched a 70 00:04:41.199 --> 00:04:43.839 little publication called tea Degree in My Name is Lynn Jones. 71 00:04:43.920 --> 00:04:47.560 I co founded it with my husband Ellen Jones. Actually 72 00:04:47.639 --> 00:04:50.079 was Ellen's idea, and I remember him coming home the 73 00:04:50.120 --> 00:04:52.160 one day and saying, I think we should do a 74 00:04:52.360 --> 00:04:54.639 newsletter and I was like, what on earth do we know? 75 00:04:54.959 --> 00:04:59.639 Ellen's marketing, sales, sales accounting, And I said, no, no, no, 76 00:05:00.399 --> 00:05:03.240 I think we can. And it was probably the best 77 00:05:03.279 --> 00:05:07.079 decision we ever made in our life. It was, it 78 00:05:07.279 --> 00:05:11.800 really was. It was wonderful. We launched in July nineteen 79 00:05:11.839 --> 00:05:17.199 ninety seven. Ernie Else kindly won the British Open that 80 00:05:17.360 --> 00:05:20.279 month and so our next cover was you know who 81 00:05:20.319 --> 00:05:21.000 else but Else? 82 00:05:21.600 --> 00:05:22.319 So it was a. 83 00:05:24.199 --> 00:05:26.439 I think it was an indication of how the publication 84 00:05:26.639 --> 00:05:30.519 was going to go. It was fabulous. It saved my 85 00:05:30.680 --> 00:05:34.040 life when we sold it, because it really wasn't. It 86 00:05:34.199 --> 00:05:37.079 moved us from Durban after Joba because it had grown 87 00:05:37.160 --> 00:05:41.000 so much and as you know, most of the industry 88 00:05:41.160 --> 00:05:45.079 is in Jobac. But it was just fantastic, It really was. 89 00:05:45.279 --> 00:05:50.759 And we spent many, many, happy, you know years in 90 00:05:50.879 --> 00:05:53.720 the golf industry and we haven't really been out except 91 00:05:54.160 --> 00:05:56.720 in just in the last couple of years, you know, 92 00:05:56.759 --> 00:06:01.480 after COVID and that we don't no longer do a publication. 93 00:06:02.199 --> 00:06:06.839 But Te Degreen wasn't. It was something very special and 94 00:06:07.000 --> 00:06:10.399 for two really heck golfers, I can't call ourselves anything 95 00:06:10.439 --> 00:06:13.879 more than that to you know, start a publication. But 96 00:06:14.040 --> 00:06:17.160 we had unbelievable support. We had the best journalists, we 97 00:06:17.279 --> 00:06:20.360 had the most wonderful people that supported us, and we 98 00:06:20.480 --> 00:06:23.439 were you know, even a sunshine to at that stage 99 00:06:23.480 --> 00:06:26.279 used to advertised with us. It was brilliant and obviously 100 00:06:26.319 --> 00:06:30.120 golf development was open, was just starting, and we were 101 00:06:30.160 --> 00:06:34.079 privileged enough to be at the start of the blossoming 102 00:06:34.240 --> 00:06:36.759 of golf. It really was an amazing. 103 00:06:36.439 --> 00:06:41.079 Time, awesome, awesome, awesome ladies and gentlemen. I hope you 104 00:06:41.639 --> 00:06:44.759 got that, because Joe, we're just going to dive into 105 00:06:44.800 --> 00:06:47.600 this conversation because I just want to understand, I mean, 106 00:06:48.199 --> 00:06:52.279 what inspired you guys. You did mention that it was 107 00:06:52.360 --> 00:06:56.759 your husband's idea, But before then, were you guys golfst 108 00:06:57.120 --> 00:06:59.839 or was it just something out of the loop. 109 00:07:01.279 --> 00:07:04.120 No, we did. We did play golf. We were members 110 00:07:04.199 --> 00:07:06.920 of Royal Durban Golf Club and Durban Country Club, and 111 00:07:07.079 --> 00:07:09.519 we were at golfers. We spent a lot of time 112 00:07:09.600 --> 00:07:13.000 at the golf club and even to the stage where 113 00:07:13.160 --> 00:07:16.360 because my husband came from the you know, hotel industry 114 00:07:16.399 --> 00:07:18.199 and that and did promotions, we used to do quite 115 00:07:18.199 --> 00:07:20.959 a lot of sponsoring at wellhen let's say, sponsoring eating 116 00:07:21.040 --> 00:07:23.759 sponsors for golf days. And we loved it. And it 117 00:07:23.959 --> 00:07:27.279 was actually, you know, in the old days it was 118 00:07:27.360 --> 00:07:32.680 called in a tell it was an hotel what do 119 00:07:32.720 --> 00:07:36.360 you call it? Golf golf association. Ronnie Ruy who kind 120 00:07:36.399 --> 00:07:39.199 of my husband and said, you know, why didn't you 121 00:07:39.279 --> 00:07:41.920 do a newsletter? And Alan had jumped on it. I 122 00:07:42.000 --> 00:07:44.959 actually think he was a frustrated journalist. He loved writing 123 00:07:45.199 --> 00:07:47.839 and he used to always do you know, from the 124 00:07:48.000 --> 00:07:51.399 keeping up of the Joneses, and he loved it. We 125 00:07:51.519 --> 00:07:53.560 loved it, Tonney. It was. It was really it was 126 00:07:53.639 --> 00:07:56.560 so special. And you know, we have this belief that 127 00:07:56.759 --> 00:08:00.800 when you do something that you're passionate about, it's shute 128 00:08:00.879 --> 00:08:04.160 through so people who chase money, and that it's it's 129 00:08:04.279 --> 00:08:08.639 really just money comes when you when you doing what 130 00:08:08.800 --> 00:08:11.680 you love and people see it and they appreciate it 131 00:08:11.879 --> 00:08:15.319 and and things to get from there, you know. And 132 00:08:15.480 --> 00:08:17.879 now I have a I have a new love, you know, 133 00:08:18.079 --> 00:08:21.279 balls and tees. It sounds. It's so exciting to be 134 00:08:21.399 --> 00:08:24.720 in build and I'm so grateful to you guys for 135 00:08:25.199 --> 00:08:27.560 bringing me on board and and alignment to be a 136 00:08:27.600 --> 00:08:29.839 part of you. And I'm BELI. 137 00:08:31.040 --> 00:08:35.879 Exciting, awesome, awesome, awesome, And you know you can just 138 00:08:35.960 --> 00:08:37.960 hear it in my voice how excited I am, because 139 00:08:38.320 --> 00:08:43.679 I mean, if there's anything I always talk about is timing. Timing. 140 00:08:43.720 --> 00:08:47.000 I mean, if we look at the way you started 141 00:08:47.320 --> 00:08:50.679 with Tea to Green, I think that was the epitome 142 00:08:51.000 --> 00:08:55.120 of South Africa's sclope where I don't want to see 143 00:08:55.240 --> 00:08:57.600 legends because I believe a legend is someone who's passed on. 144 00:08:58.039 --> 00:09:02.279 So I would say the soon to be legends people 145 00:09:02.480 --> 00:09:05.799 like or any else. With thief Hosen, they were very, 146 00:09:05.919 --> 00:09:10.000 very dominant in the international golf in space, and what 147 00:09:10.240 --> 00:09:12.720 a perfect time for you guys to have started to green. 148 00:09:13.159 --> 00:09:16.960 Everyone had their eyes on these two champions, and we 149 00:09:17.159 --> 00:09:21.000 just wanted to know every single thing about where they're playing, 150 00:09:21.200 --> 00:09:23.480 how they played, what clubs are they using. We we 151 00:09:24.120 --> 00:09:28.039 actually wanted to replicate what's in their bags, to say, Okay, 152 00:09:28.440 --> 00:09:31.000 if any else is playing with titlists, everybody wants to 153 00:09:31.039 --> 00:09:34.440 play with titlists. If the Difficaulsion is using tailormate, everybody 154 00:09:34.480 --> 00:09:37.600 wants to use tailormate. So I just want to say 155 00:09:37.679 --> 00:09:40.399 the timing that at that point in time was perfect. 156 00:09:41.000 --> 00:09:45.200 But to add on to what you said about balls 157 00:09:45.240 --> 00:09:48.120 and teas coming through and saying lean please, we need you, 158 00:09:49.080 --> 00:09:51.240 I have to say there's no better time. 159 00:09:54.759 --> 00:09:57.279 Well, I'm going to say I agree with you only 160 00:09:57.360 --> 00:10:00.840 because I am so passionate. Again, you know, I think 161 00:10:01.720 --> 00:10:03.240 it took me a bit of time to sort of 162 00:10:03.440 --> 00:10:06.720 move forward. You know, we very much. We loved our 163 00:10:06.799 --> 00:10:09.840 hard copy because there was nothing more joyful for us 164 00:10:09.960 --> 00:10:12.919 than when we used to walk into a pass giving 165 00:10:13.000 --> 00:10:15.320 room or a bar after golf, you know, and there 166 00:10:15.360 --> 00:10:18.200 were people coming through with a cooky of teams green 167 00:10:18.320 --> 00:10:21.000 under their arms, or you know, and then they sit 168 00:10:21.080 --> 00:10:23.279 down and read it and we would be yeah, you know, 169 00:10:23.440 --> 00:10:26.399 that's it. Never tired. We never got tired of that. 170 00:10:26.639 --> 00:10:28.000 And now I'm going to be so happy if I 171 00:10:28.360 --> 00:10:31.399 people talking about you know, balls and teas and what 172 00:10:31.519 --> 00:10:34.279 we discussed and what we should be discussing, because that's 173 00:10:34.320 --> 00:10:36.440 one of the things you always get feedback from from 174 00:10:36.480 --> 00:10:40.519 the people, and that's very welcomed and it really does help, 175 00:10:40.600 --> 00:10:44.679 you know, ensure that our publication and now the podcast 176 00:10:44.799 --> 00:10:46.600 will be what the people want to hear and they'll 177 00:10:46.600 --> 00:10:49.279 feel a part of it, you know. And I think 178 00:10:49.320 --> 00:10:51.639 that's what it's about, showing people that you care about them. 179 00:10:51.679 --> 00:10:54.559 We're passionate about golf. It's not just a job for us. 180 00:10:54.600 --> 00:10:57.559 It's something that we really really interested in them love. 181 00:10:58.320 --> 00:11:01.159 Although sometimes I hate that you play like a little 182 00:11:01.279 --> 00:11:11.919 too uh. At one stage, I wasn't such a bad golfer, 183 00:11:12.000 --> 00:11:14.519 but then we get invitity these programs and I'd play 184 00:11:14.600 --> 00:11:17.360 like an absolute beginner, you know, because I would be like, 185 00:11:17.679 --> 00:11:20.480 I'm going to always up and play and end up 186 00:11:20.519 --> 00:11:23.000 playing like an idiot. And then you get up and 187 00:11:23.039 --> 00:11:25.120 you think, oh I wish I hadn't been there. Oh gosh, 188 00:11:25.200 --> 00:11:31.200 you know, if you'd want to blot out what you 189 00:11:31.399 --> 00:11:35.159 what all the nonsense you played before, But it's wonderful 190 00:11:35.200 --> 00:11:38.279 and it's those beautiful golf courses, you know, the fresh 191 00:11:38.360 --> 00:11:42.159 a it's something very special and the camaraderie. You know 192 00:11:42.240 --> 00:11:44.639 the fact that you've got three other people that you 193 00:11:45.039 --> 00:11:48.080 normally getting on really well with and you've got a 194 00:11:48.159 --> 00:11:50.399 common interest in that you try to do your best 195 00:11:50.480 --> 00:11:52.679 and if you lucky, you're gonna win. If you don't, 196 00:11:52.720 --> 00:11:54.360 well that's not so bad either because we've had a 197 00:11:54.399 --> 00:11:58.639 great day art. But it's got everything, you know, it's 198 00:11:58.759 --> 00:11:59.440 it's got everything. 199 00:12:01.200 --> 00:12:04.360 And just to ask you a question, and I mean 200 00:12:04.919 --> 00:12:06.720 you mentioned that you guys are from the case then 201 00:12:08.399 --> 00:12:10.919 and I mean since nineteen ninety seven, you've seen the 202 00:12:11.039 --> 00:12:14.200 landscape of golf change throughout the years in South Africa 203 00:12:14.720 --> 00:12:21.480 and most particularly coming from the coastal to England. What 204 00:12:21.679 --> 00:12:25.200 would you say has been the biggest change so far 205 00:12:25.399 --> 00:12:27.759 or the biggest challenge when it comes to transitioning from 206 00:12:28.320 --> 00:12:31.480 obviously living in the coastal space and there's not a 207 00:12:31.639 --> 00:12:34.840 lot of golf courses as compared to Houting, and then 208 00:12:34.879 --> 00:12:37.879 you're move into Houting where this is the so called 209 00:12:37.960 --> 00:12:43.799 heart of South Africa where there's multiple golf courses, the environment, 210 00:12:43.919 --> 00:12:47.519 the scenery, the energy is totally different from CASA. And 211 00:12:47.639 --> 00:12:53.080 how was it to actually adjust and especially if when 212 00:12:53.120 --> 00:12:56.320 you were writing a publication about golf, if you look 213 00:12:56.399 --> 00:12:59.200 at where you were you were staying and where you 214 00:12:59.279 --> 00:13:01.840 actually stayed, how how different was it? 215 00:13:03.320 --> 00:13:05.919 Well, the first thing was, obviously, you know, the ball 216 00:13:06.080 --> 00:13:08.559 goes further and derviing, so we had to just wise. 217 00:13:12.559 --> 00:13:15.080 The second thing was, obviously we were used to the 218 00:13:15.200 --> 00:13:18.120 sea and and on some courses, and the towel obviously 219 00:13:18.559 --> 00:13:20.879 or you know in Durban you can hear it. If 220 00:13:20.879 --> 00:13:22.679 you don't see the sea, you can sometimes hear the 221 00:13:22.840 --> 00:13:26.919 roar of the surf. And we were on Job. Yeah, 222 00:13:26.919 --> 00:13:31.960 of course we heard routine and corse and but you 223 00:13:32.080 --> 00:13:35.039 know every golf course is beautiful and it is serene 224 00:13:35.120 --> 00:13:37.960 and it is a pleasure and you know, to play. 225 00:13:38.519 --> 00:13:42.000 And I actually needed no justine it all. I found. 226 00:13:43.159 --> 00:13:47.720 I loved Job, I really do. I found that, as 227 00:13:47.799 --> 00:13:50.360 you said, the far more courses here, the growth has 228 00:13:50.399 --> 00:13:54.639 been phenomenal. We were around in the days when you 229 00:13:54.720 --> 00:14:00.720 know when the golfers residential gold, you know what you 230 00:14:00.799 --> 00:14:03.759 can golf the States all started developing. So watched a 231 00:14:03.840 --> 00:14:06.080 lot of it too, you know, before I very are, 232 00:14:06.279 --> 00:14:08.639 so we've had a really a bird's eye view of 233 00:14:08.759 --> 00:14:12.240 a lot of what happened. But you write about you know, 234 00:14:12.320 --> 00:14:15.120 the Ernie ELS's and the chief persons, and that they 235 00:14:15.240 --> 00:14:18.200 really were the gentlemen of golf and they did STU proud. 236 00:14:19.480 --> 00:14:23.480 So incredible for us to be able to write about them. 237 00:14:23.559 --> 00:14:25.679 Not so much to me. I'm not a journalist. In fact, 238 00:14:26.440 --> 00:14:29.440 my writing is not my forte to be quite because 239 00:14:31.559 --> 00:14:36.519 amazing how they really are. But more on the publishing side, 240 00:14:37.440 --> 00:14:39.720 my writing will probably be more when we did our 241 00:14:40.320 --> 00:14:43.120 promotions and then I would write about that I was 242 00:14:43.159 --> 00:14:48.080 really involved in. But no, it's a very special industry 243 00:14:48.159 --> 00:14:50.639 to be in, the one that you can't get out of. 244 00:14:50.679 --> 00:14:52.720 I think once you get in you can't get out. 245 00:14:52.759 --> 00:14:57.039 It's a very special, you know, area to be in 246 00:14:57.240 --> 00:15:00.360 because as you know, golf is all about integrity and 247 00:15:00.559 --> 00:15:04.279 so being able to people who have the same or 248 00:15:04.480 --> 00:15:07.639 you know, are black manded and and it's it's a 249 00:15:07.840 --> 00:15:09.440 it's a it's a pleasure to be and as it 250 00:15:09.559 --> 00:15:13.320 really is. So yes, I couldn't be happy now and 251 00:15:14.159 --> 00:15:17.320 I'm a really and the latter to be associated and 252 00:15:17.679 --> 00:15:21.200 balls and tea. Thank you, that's. 253 00:15:21.480 --> 00:15:25.120 Awesome, awesome, you should actually see the smile on my face, Lane, 254 00:15:25.240 --> 00:15:34.559 like when you're talking about excitement. So something that I 255 00:15:34.720 --> 00:15:39.799 believe globally is underrated. Uh, And that's the social aspect 256 00:15:39.840 --> 00:15:42.279 of golf. I mean when when when people talk off 257 00:15:42.519 --> 00:15:45.000 a lot of people think, okay, it's just about hitting 258 00:15:45.039 --> 00:15:49.799 the ball, walking around, uh, seeing plants, trees and all 259 00:15:49.840 --> 00:15:52.759 those things, and then going back to the nineteenth hole, 260 00:15:52.960 --> 00:15:56.919 which is halfway house people socializing and just drinking. But 261 00:15:57.080 --> 00:16:00.519 I believe there's more, there's more to it. When we 262 00:16:00.600 --> 00:16:03.440 talk about the social aspects of gold, it can happen 263 00:16:03.559 --> 00:16:07.480 on the court and sometimes off the course. So what 264 00:16:08.559 --> 00:16:11.240 I'm trying to get to is that there's been a 265 00:16:11.320 --> 00:16:16.799 lot of disconnect when we're talking social golfing life or 266 00:16:16.879 --> 00:16:21.440 the socialization of golfing, where people have perceived gold to 267 00:16:21.519 --> 00:16:25.360 be at best a gentleman's game, or it should be 268 00:16:25.759 --> 00:16:28.960 regarded as a place where you can discuss business, but 269 00:16:29.039 --> 00:16:33.039 they fail to understand that people build relationships, people build friendships, 270 00:16:33.279 --> 00:16:36.879 Families are formed on the golf course or foxed on 271 00:16:36.960 --> 00:16:41.399 the golf course. Where individuals would meet just for a 272 00:16:41.559 --> 00:16:44.879 social setting on the golf course without even lifting a club. 273 00:16:45.399 --> 00:16:50.000 And with that being said, I would then presume that 274 00:16:51.279 --> 00:16:55.879 that also drives the economy around the golfing world. You'll 275 00:16:55.919 --> 00:16:58.120 correct me if I'm wrong there. If you look at 276 00:16:58.159 --> 00:17:02.000 the restaurants, if you look at the hospitality industry as 277 00:17:02.000 --> 00:17:04.640 a whole, to say, okay, people would go to the 278 00:17:04.720 --> 00:17:07.839 halfway House just to have lunch. As you said, there's 279 00:17:07.880 --> 00:17:11.440 a lot of golf estates, there's hotels and results that 280 00:17:11.640 --> 00:17:14.880 have golf courses on them, and people just like being 281 00:17:15.079 --> 00:17:18.440 out there in the open just to have a view 282 00:17:18.519 --> 00:17:22.079 of the scenery and just to relax without even playing. Now, 283 00:17:23.079 --> 00:17:25.319 these are some of the things that I believe are underrated. 284 00:17:25.480 --> 00:17:29.000 And from your side, as someone who's been exposed to 285 00:17:30.240 --> 00:17:33.519 this world of golf, I would like to get your 286 00:17:33.599 --> 00:17:37.480 opinions or your inputs around it, to say, how do 287 00:17:37.599 --> 00:17:40.160 you view it and what is it that you've actually 288 00:17:40.359 --> 00:17:44.799 come across over the years regarding that particular aspect. 289 00:17:46.799 --> 00:17:49.359 Well, Tony, I couldn't agree with you more. I think 290 00:17:49.440 --> 00:17:53.440 that golf is a business, a business generator, A business 291 00:17:53.519 --> 00:17:55.119 is done on the golf course. And you know, I 292 00:17:55.319 --> 00:17:57.720 was always said as well, if you are playing golf 293 00:17:57.720 --> 00:17:59.759 with the perspective client or a client, you always can 294 00:17:59.799 --> 00:18:01.440 to be able to see what they like. You know, 295 00:18:01.920 --> 00:18:03.599 you're got to see they've got a bad temper or 296 00:18:03.640 --> 00:18:06.240 what's going to happen, so you will get to understand 297 00:18:06.279 --> 00:18:09.000 your client very quickly. The one thing that we used 298 00:18:09.000 --> 00:18:11.480 to do is we used to do these accommodation promotions. 299 00:18:11.599 --> 00:18:14.440 So we went to Mauritius. We went very often to 300 00:18:14.519 --> 00:18:17.920 Champain's Balls resort, and we were people just book and 301 00:18:18.000 --> 00:18:21.039 come with us, and I would arrange the four balls 302 00:18:21.119 --> 00:18:23.359 and I would make sure that the first day you 303 00:18:23.440 --> 00:18:25.880 could choose your four ball, but the next two days 304 00:18:25.880 --> 00:18:27.880 I used to split them up. And you know, you 305 00:18:28.039 --> 00:18:30.799 used to watch people that didn't know each other from Adam, 306 00:18:30.880 --> 00:18:34.559 never met each other, become firm friends. And it was joyful. 307 00:18:34.960 --> 00:18:38.480 It was what we wanted. It was not only golf. 308 00:18:38.599 --> 00:18:42.319 It was absolutely that whole aspect of making new friends, relaxing, 309 00:18:42.559 --> 00:18:46.000 being taken to a beautiful place and then everyone goes 310 00:18:46.039 --> 00:18:48.839 home happy and you know, and you know, listen, we'll 311 00:18:48.839 --> 00:18:51.279 see you back in joy Well, we'll meet you in Durban. Gosh, 312 00:18:51.319 --> 00:18:53.119 We're going to come and see you, you know, and 313 00:18:53.240 --> 00:18:57.000 that's what's it's it's and that's what golf is about. 314 00:18:57.119 --> 00:19:00.480 And then also we had wonderful spot so it's like 315 00:19:00.599 --> 00:19:04.240 Global Golf. Joe Bartin was amazing. Very often she would 316 00:19:04.279 --> 00:19:07.480 join us, so she would you interact with who uses 317 00:19:07.599 --> 00:19:12.119 in users and it was very special. And yes, business 318 00:19:12.240 --> 00:19:15.839 is done on the golf course because you know, I 319 00:19:16.160 --> 00:19:19.519 hear sometimes from people, particularly people who are not golfers 320 00:19:19.680 --> 00:19:21.720 and they've maybe been to a golf day and they've 321 00:19:21.920 --> 00:19:23.720 sponsored and been in a hole and they go, now 322 00:19:23.960 --> 00:19:27.240 it's not last people not interested, and obviously there is, 323 00:19:27.319 --> 00:19:30.440 though I always try to explain to them that golfers 324 00:19:30.480 --> 00:19:32.440 are very different. You know, you've got to be careful 325 00:19:32.480 --> 00:19:34.359 how you catch and they maybe have a bad round 326 00:19:34.720 --> 00:19:36.240 or a very good round and don't know to be 327 00:19:36.359 --> 00:19:39.000 distracted or so it's kind of interacting with them and 328 00:19:39.039 --> 00:19:41.880 then utilizing the time after the golf as well to 329 00:19:41.960 --> 00:19:44.359 maybe follow up and things like that, because it really 330 00:19:44.519 --> 00:19:47.720 is a wonderful, wonderful platform to be able to present 331 00:19:47.799 --> 00:19:51.640 new products. I'm actually talking to New Perspective, two New 332 00:19:51.720 --> 00:19:57.720 Perspective sponsors for US and they and people becoming rand 333 00:19:57.799 --> 00:20:01.480 new into South Africa and this is a wonderful for 334 00:20:01.599 --> 00:20:05.640 them years. So you maybe join out some new arms 335 00:20:05.680 --> 00:20:10.920 and more soon. But I believe in the golf market completely, 336 00:20:11.000 --> 00:20:13.559 I really do. I think that's a fabulous I'm a 337 00:20:13.599 --> 00:20:17.799 great believer in face to face, uh you know, communication, 338 00:20:18.160 --> 00:20:22.640 and I think that the weak of the golfers are 339 00:20:22.680 --> 00:20:25.359 a wonderful platform to be able to interact with. So 340 00:20:25.519 --> 00:20:27.960 you're quite right with all of that. And the nineteenth 341 00:20:28.000 --> 00:20:30.359 totals where you seal your deal. You you know, you 342 00:20:30.480 --> 00:20:32.960 started out when you live it on the course and 343 00:20:33.119 --> 00:20:36.160 then it's all done and dusted when you when you complete. 344 00:20:37.119 --> 00:20:39.920 It's a fantastic avenue and we should explore that and 345 00:20:40.039 --> 00:20:42.640 maybe we will get involved in more of those of 346 00:20:42.759 --> 00:20:45.480 maybe away trips you know that there the falls and 347 00:20:46.559 --> 00:20:50.319 and things like that. And it's a very exciting charmer 348 00:20:50.400 --> 00:20:53.720 us again, so for me it's a birth of another baby, 349 00:20:53.880 --> 00:20:57.960 you know, and that's very exciting. So and I love 350 00:20:58.039 --> 00:21:01.240 the fact that I'm surrounded by all you wonderful young 351 00:21:01.319 --> 00:21:04.279 guys who know the golf industry so well, hadn't come 352 00:21:04.319 --> 00:21:07.160 from golf development as well, so you are the girl's 353 00:21:07.279 --> 00:21:14.279 roots of it. So a ptation, I mean, it's just 354 00:21:14.359 --> 00:21:17.400 fantastic and the fact that you are still here in 355 00:21:17.559 --> 00:21:20.440 golf now, you know, making a different difference with the 356 00:21:20.480 --> 00:21:23.880 podcast or congratulations to all of you and thank you 357 00:21:24.039 --> 00:21:24.559 for reading to. 358 00:21:26.960 --> 00:21:29.960 We really appreciate Linn. And I have to I have 359 00:21:30.079 --> 00:21:32.480 to ask you one question. You mentioned that the halfway 360 00:21:32.519 --> 00:21:34.599 house is where we seal the deal. Now I want 361 00:21:34.640 --> 00:21:38.920 to understand we do we just seal the deal when 362 00:21:38.960 --> 00:21:41.279 we get to the halfway house, or we wait for 363 00:21:41.400 --> 00:21:44.920 someone to have two three drinks before. 364 00:21:44.599 --> 00:21:51.599 We actually get the class, and until you have the 365 00:21:51.640 --> 00:22:03.680 two three drinks, maybe it's Yeah, as I said, I 366 00:22:03.759 --> 00:22:06.319 think I was pretty good at the ninety or probably 367 00:22:06.359 --> 00:22:09.039 not the fact that my family would like to But no, 368 00:22:09.240 --> 00:22:12.640 it's always fun because you're either celebrating your you know, 369 00:22:12.759 --> 00:22:16.200 your your great ground or commiserating but you played poorly, 370 00:22:16.920 --> 00:22:19.200 so there's always a reason to have that that a 371 00:22:19.240 --> 00:22:24.640 couple of losses a while, but and and comfortable. Our clubhouses, 372 00:22:24.720 --> 00:22:27.519 they are so wonderful. You spoke about the restaurants, and 373 00:22:27.680 --> 00:22:31.960 as you know, Wendy Alberts, you see the Restaurant Association 374 00:22:32.279 --> 00:22:35.519 is going to be a prison normal show, and she 375 00:22:35.720 --> 00:22:42.599 really is the Dane our restaurants an incredible She may 376 00:22:42.640 --> 00:22:47.519 not be a chef, you know, in trained, but she's 377 00:22:47.559 --> 00:22:52.920 an amazing mousing decorator and I can't wait for for 378 00:22:53.319 --> 00:22:57.559 you guys to be interacting with her as well. So 379 00:22:57.920 --> 00:23:00.279 there's a lot that we can do. And you you know, 380 00:23:00.480 --> 00:23:06.200 our golf courses have some beautiful restaurants, and when you 381 00:23:06.279 --> 00:23:08.960 will be able to offer support in terms of training, 382 00:23:09.079 --> 00:23:11.519 you know, for golf clubs that that would like to 383 00:23:12.119 --> 00:23:16.359 have their waiters you know, perhaps be trained. Because what 384 00:23:16.480 --> 00:23:19.680 we also need is we need the international golfers to come, 385 00:23:19.799 --> 00:23:23.240 you know and help us, and that's job creation and 386 00:23:23.359 --> 00:23:28.200 obviously they spending which is you know, revenue improvement, and 387 00:23:28.519 --> 00:23:32.279 but they will come with expectations. So when he is 388 00:23:32.440 --> 00:23:35.920 very able to do that. She has been nominated as 389 00:23:36.319 --> 00:23:38.160 you know, a part of a business Woman of the 390 00:23:38.519 --> 00:23:43.079 quite a few times. So she's a perfect person for 391 00:23:43.200 --> 00:23:46.559 us to be to be partnered with. And she also 392 00:23:46.640 --> 00:23:49.880 has a couple of small hotels guesthouses also a members 393 00:23:49.920 --> 00:23:53.160 of hers. But I think it's a very large platform, 394 00:23:54.079 --> 00:23:58.599 you know, having the publication. We know how important advertising 395 00:23:58.720 --> 00:24:00.720 and exposure is for a product. So there is a 396 00:24:00.880 --> 00:24:03.240 saying it says out of sight, out of mind, and 397 00:24:03.359 --> 00:24:05.759 that couldn't be more true. You have to keep your 398 00:24:05.799 --> 00:24:08.680 product in front of the people's eyes, you know, for 399 00:24:08.799 --> 00:24:12.640 them to one see it. But then also we sell 400 00:24:12.680 --> 00:24:14.559 our product as well, you know, we all have best 401 00:24:14.599 --> 00:24:19.200