Speaker 1: In a world where fairways meet the airwaves, where Bertie's
Speaker 1: and Banker collide. Welcome to the show that takes you
Speaker 1: beyond the clubhouse and onto the green. There's Balls and
Speaker 1: T's your passport to the golfing universe where every swing
Speaker 1: tells the story and every part has its punchline. Get
Speaker 1: ready to step onto the large screens and dive into
Speaker 1: the world of diveds, drives and delightful better the Magician.
Speaker 2: Alright, ladies and gentlemen, it is yet another Wednesday evening
Speaker 2: and you are chilling here with the one and only
Speaker 2: Tony Tone, the Magician, the ball with the Lord of Flow.
Speaker 2: I am a classic man, and ladies and gentlemen, for
Speaker 2: those who have been following us from the get go,
Speaker 2: I just want to say thank you for those who've
Speaker 2: just joined us and stumbled upon us. Listen, work come
Speaker 2: to Balls and is the only relevant podcast when it
Speaker 2: comes to golf talk, Ladies and gentlemen. Today is gonna
Speaker 2: be an amazing, amazing show because we've got an expect
Speaker 2: when it comes to everything that has to do with golf,
Speaker 2: whether it be the journalism part, whether it be the
Speaker 2: equipment part. And I can definitely assure you that this
Speaker 2: lady has played golf for most of her life. But
Speaker 2: without even spoiling the bin. I just want to say,
Speaker 2: you know what to do before we get into the show,
Speaker 2: because it's gonna get heated. You just need to get
Speaker 2: yourself that ice cold water. I know it's raining, and
Speaker 2: how thing, guys, it's been raining since weekend and it's
Speaker 2: not stopping. It's just been continuously raining. Please make sure
Speaker 2: that you keep warm, take a lot of vitamins, if
Speaker 2: you go to the gym, make sure that you are
Speaker 2: doing the right thing. But today we are about to
Speaker 2: hit things up and make sure that everything everything around
Speaker 2: you tends hot. Because we've got the best, the best
Speaker 2: of the best, as I said, So go ahead, get
Speaker 2: yourself the glass of water, and then now we'll be
Speaker 2: back in two minutes. We will then get into the show.
Speaker 2: I'll catch you.
Speaker 1: Now in a world where fairways meet the airwaves, where
Speaker 1: Birdie's and Banker collide. Welcome to the show that takes
Speaker 1: you beyond the clubhouse and onto the green. This is Balls,
Speaker 1: and t's your passport to the golfing universe, where every
Speaker 1: swing tells the story and every part has its punchline.
Speaker 1: Get ready to step onto the last greens and dive
Speaker 1: into the world of diveds drives and delightful better the magician.
Speaker 2: All right, ladies and gentlemen, come back. As I said,
Speaker 2: you are here and it's the only relevant podcast when
Speaker 2: it comes to golf talk and today, ladies and gentlemen,
Speaker 2: I'm excited. I am so ecstatic because let me give
Speaker 2: you a bit of background. So I started playing golf
Speaker 2: in two thousand and two, and that was through the
Speaker 2: South African Golf Development bought and when I got there,
Speaker 2: once in a while we would get a little gazette,
Speaker 2: I don't want to say a newspaper, say a gazette
Speaker 2: called Tea to Green and I enjoyed reading it so
Speaker 2: much because it had the latest news, it had the
Speaker 2: latest equipment, and there were articles where they would give
Speaker 2: tips on how to actually improve particular or certain aspects
Speaker 2: of your game. So, without any furthereral you, ladies and gentlemen,
Speaker 2: please allow me to welcome the co founder of Tea
Speaker 2: to Green, Lean Jones Lean. How did you today?
Speaker 3: Oh, hello, Tony, I'm excing me. Well, thank you, just
Speaker 3: part the weather and I wasn't sure you were talking
Speaker 3: about me and I thought you had another guest on
Speaker 3: the show. Thank you for that. Well.
Speaker 2: I tried my best, but I don't think I actually
Speaker 2: did justice to your name. If you don't mind, would
Speaker 2: you mind reintroducing yourself in the pomena and just let
Speaker 2: our audience know executly who you are and how do
Speaker 2: you find yourself within the golfing.
Speaker 3: Space, Tony Well. In nineteen ninety seven, we launched a
Speaker 3: little publication called tea Degree in My Name is Lynn Jones.
Speaker 3: I co founded it with my husband Ellen Jones. Actually
Speaker 3: was Ellen's idea, and I remember him coming home the
Speaker 3: one day and saying, I think we should do a
Speaker 3: newsletter and I was like, what on earth do we know?
Speaker 3: Ellen's marketing, sales, sales accounting, And I said, no, no, no,
Speaker 3: I think we can. And it was probably the best
Speaker 3: decision we ever made in our life. It was, it
Speaker 3: really was. It was wonderful. We launched in July nineteen
Speaker 3: ninety seven. Ernie Else kindly won the British Open that
Speaker 3: month and so our next cover was you know who
Speaker 3: else but Else?
Speaker 2: So it was a.
Speaker 3: I think it was an indication of how the publication
Speaker 3: was going to go. It was fabulous. It saved my
Speaker 3: life when we sold it, because it really wasn't. It
Speaker 3: moved us from Durban after Joba because it had grown
Speaker 3: so much and as you know, most of the industry
Speaker 3: is in Jobac. But it was just fantastic, It really was.
Speaker 3: And we spent many, many, happy, you know years in
Speaker 3: the golf industry and we haven't really been out except
Speaker 3: in just in the last couple of years, you know,
Speaker 3: after COVID and that we don't no longer do a publication.
Speaker 3: But Te Degreen wasn't. It was something very special and
Speaker 3: for two really heck golfers, I can't call ourselves anything
Speaker 3: more than that to you know, start a publication. But
Speaker 3: we had unbelievable support. We had the best journalists, we
Speaker 3: had the most wonderful people that supported us, and we
Speaker 3: were you know, even a sunshine to at that stage
Speaker 3: used to advertised with us. It was brilliant and obviously
Speaker 3: golf development was open, was just starting, and we were
Speaker 3: privileged enough to be at the start of the blossoming
Speaker 3: of golf. It really was an amazing.
Speaker 2: Time, awesome, awesome, awesome ladies and gentlemen. I hope you
Speaker 2: got that, because Joe, we're just going to dive into
Speaker 2: this conversation because I just want to understand, I mean,
Speaker 2: what inspired you guys. You did mention that it was
Speaker 2: your husband's idea, But before then, were you guys golfst
Speaker 2: or was it just something out of the loop.
Speaker 3: No, we did. We did play golf. We were members
Speaker 3: of Royal Durban Golf Club and Durban Country Club, and
Speaker 3: we were at golfers. We spent a lot of time
Speaker 3: at the golf club and even to the stage where
Speaker 3: because my husband came from the you know, hotel industry
Speaker 3: and that and did promotions, we used to do quite
Speaker 3: a lot of sponsoring at wellhen let's say, sponsoring eating
Speaker 3: sponsors for golf days. And we loved it. And it
Speaker 3: was actually, you know, in the old days it was
Speaker 3: called in a tell it was an hotel what do
Speaker 3: you call it? Golf golf association. Ronnie Ruy who kind
Speaker 3: of my husband and said, you know, why didn't you
Speaker 3: do a newsletter? And Alan had jumped on it. I
Speaker 3: actually think he was a frustrated journalist. He loved writing
Speaker 3: and he used to always do you know, from the
Speaker 3: keeping up of the Joneses, and he loved it. We
Speaker 3: loved it, Tonney. It was. It was really it was
Speaker 3: so special. And you know, we have this belief that
Speaker 3: when you do something that you're passionate about, it's shute
Speaker 3: through so people who chase money, and that it's it's
Speaker 3: really just money comes when you when you doing what
Speaker 3: you love and people see it and they appreciate it
Speaker 3: and and things to get from there, you know. And
Speaker 3: now I have a I have a new love, you know,
Speaker 3: balls and tees. It sounds. It's so exciting to be
Speaker 3: in build and I'm so grateful to you guys for
Speaker 3: bringing me on board and and alignment to be a
Speaker 3: part of you. And I'm BELI.
Speaker 2: Exciting, awesome, awesome, awesome, And you know you can just
Speaker 2: hear it in my voice how excited I am, because
Speaker 2: I mean, if there's anything I always talk about is timing. Timing.
Speaker 2: I mean, if we look at the way you started
Speaker 2: with Tea to Green, I think that was the epitome
Speaker 2: of South Africa's sclope where I don't want to see
Speaker 2: legends because I believe a legend is someone who's passed on.
Speaker 2: So I would say the soon to be legends people
Speaker 2: like or any else. With thief Hosen, they were very,
Speaker 2: very dominant in the international golf in space, and what
Speaker 2: a perfect time for you guys to have started to green.
Speaker 2: Everyone had their eyes on these two champions, and we
Speaker 2: just wanted to know every single thing about where they're playing,
Speaker 2: how they played, what clubs are they using. We we
Speaker 2: actually wanted to replicate what's in their bags, to say, Okay,
Speaker 2: if any else is playing with titlists, everybody wants to
Speaker 2: play with titlists. If the Difficaulsion is using tailormate, everybody
Speaker 2: wants to use tailormate. So I just want to say
Speaker 2: the timing that at that point in time was perfect.
Speaker 2: But to add on to what you said about balls
Speaker 2: and teas coming through and saying lean please, we need you,
Speaker 2: I have to say there's no better time.
Speaker 3: Well, I'm going to say I agree with you only
Speaker 3: because I am so passionate. Again, you know, I think
Speaker 3: it took me a bit of time to sort of
Speaker 3: move forward. You know, we very much. We loved our
Speaker 3: hard copy because there was nothing more joyful for us
Speaker 3: than when we used to walk into a pass giving
Speaker 3: room or a bar after golf, you know, and there
Speaker 3: were people coming through with a cooky of teams green
Speaker 3: under their arms, or you know, and then they sit
Speaker 3: down and read it and we would be yeah, you know,
Speaker 3: that's it. Never tired. We never got tired of that.
Speaker 3: And now I'm going to be so happy if I
Speaker 3: people talking about you know, balls and teas and what
Speaker 3: we discussed and what we should be discussing, because that's
Speaker 3: one of the things you always get feedback from from
Speaker 3: the people, and that's very welcomed and it really does help,
Speaker 3: you know, ensure that our publication and now the podcast
Speaker 3: will be what the people want to hear and they'll
Speaker 3: feel a part of it, you know. And I think
Speaker 3: that's what it's about, showing people that you care about them.
Speaker 3: We're passionate about golf. It's not just a job for us.
Speaker 3: It's something that we really really interested in them love.
Speaker 3: Although sometimes I hate that you play like a little
Speaker 3: too uh. At one stage, I wasn't such a bad golfer,
Speaker 3: but then we get invitity these programs and I'd play
Speaker 3: like an absolute beginner, you know, because I would be like,
Speaker 3: I'm going to always up and play and end up
Speaker 3: playing like an idiot. And then you get up and
Speaker 3: you think, oh I wish I hadn't been there. Oh gosh,
Speaker 3: you know, if you'd want to blot out what you
Speaker 3: what all the nonsense you played before, But it's wonderful
Speaker 3: and it's those beautiful golf courses, you know, the fresh
Speaker 3: a it's something very special and the camaraderie. You know
Speaker 3: the fact that you've got three other people that you
Speaker 3: normally getting on really well with and you've got a
Speaker 3: common interest in that you try to do your best
Speaker 3: and if you lucky, you're gonna win. If you don't,
Speaker 3: well that's not so bad either because we've had a
Speaker 3: great day art. But it's got everything, you know, it's
Speaker 3: it's got everything.
Speaker 2: And just to ask you a question, and I mean
Speaker 2: you mentioned that you guys are from the case then
Speaker 2: and I mean since nineteen ninety seven, you've seen the
Speaker 2: landscape of golf change throughout the years in South Africa
Speaker 2: and most particularly coming from the coastal to England. What
Speaker 2: would you say has been the biggest change so far
Speaker 2: or the biggest challenge when it comes to transitioning from
Speaker 2: obviously living in the coastal space and there's not a
Speaker 2: lot of golf courses as compared to Houting, and then
Speaker 2: you're move into Houting where this is the so called
Speaker 2: heart of South Africa where there's multiple golf courses, the environment,
Speaker 2: the scenery, the energy is totally different from CASA. And
Speaker 2: how was it to actually adjust and especially if when
Speaker 2: you were writing a publication about golf, if you look
Speaker 2: at where you were you were staying and where you
Speaker 2: actually stayed, how how different was it?
Speaker 3: Well, the first thing was, obviously, you know, the ball
Speaker 3: goes further and derviing, so we had to just wise.
Speaker 3: The second thing was, obviously we were used to the
Speaker 3: sea and and on some courses, and the towel obviously
Speaker 3: or you know in Durban you can hear it. If
Speaker 3: you don't see the sea, you can sometimes hear the
Speaker 3: roar of the surf. And we were on Job. Yeah,
Speaker 3: of course we heard routine and corse and but you
Speaker 3: know every golf course is beautiful and it is serene
Speaker 3: and it is a pleasure and you know, to play.
Speaker 3: And I actually needed no justine it all. I found.
Speaker 3: I loved Job, I really do. I found that, as
Speaker 3: you said, the far more courses here, the growth has
Speaker 3: been phenomenal. We were around in the days when you
Speaker 3: know when the golfers residential gold, you know what you
Speaker 3: can golf the States all started developing. So watched a
Speaker 3: lot of it too, you know, before I very are,
Speaker 3: so we've had a really a bird's eye view of
Speaker 3: a lot of what happened. But you write about you know,
Speaker 3: the Ernie ELS's and the chief persons, and that they
Speaker 3: really were the gentlemen of golf and they did STU proud.
Speaker 3: So incredible for us to be able to write about them.
Speaker 3: Not so much to me. I'm not a journalist. In fact,
Speaker 3: my writing is not my forte to be quite because
Speaker 3: amazing how they really are. But more on the publishing side,
Speaker 3: my writing will probably be more when we did our
Speaker 3: promotions and then I would write about that I was
Speaker 3: really involved in. But no, it's a very special industry
Speaker 3: to be in, the one that you can't get out of.
Speaker 3: I think once you get in you can't get out.
Speaker 3: It's a very special, you know, area to be in
Speaker 3: because as you know, golf is all about integrity and
Speaker 3: so being able to people who have the same or
Speaker 3: you know, are black manded and and it's it's a
Speaker 3: it's a it's a pleasure to be and as it
Speaker 3: really is. So yes, I couldn't be happy now and
Speaker 3: I'm a really and the latter to be associated and
Speaker 3: balls and tea. Thank you, that's.
Speaker 2: Awesome, awesome, you should actually see the smile on my face, Lane,
Speaker 2: like when you're talking about excitement. So something that I
Speaker 2: believe globally is underrated. Uh, And that's the social aspect
Speaker 2: of golf. I mean when when when people talk off
Speaker 2: a lot of people think, okay, it's just about hitting
Speaker 2: the ball, walking around, uh, seeing plants, trees and all
Speaker 2: those things, and then going back to the nineteenth hole,
Speaker 2: which is halfway house people socializing and just drinking. But
Speaker 2: I believe there's more, there's more to it. When we
Speaker 2: talk about the social aspects of gold, it can happen
Speaker 2: on the court and sometimes off the course. So what
Speaker 2: I'm trying to get to is that there's been a
Speaker 2: lot of disconnect when we're talking social golfing life or
Speaker 2: the socialization of golfing, where people have perceived gold to
Speaker 2: be at best a gentleman's game, or it should be
Speaker 2: regarded as a place where you can discuss business, but
Speaker 2: they fail to understand that people build relationships, people build friendships,
Speaker 2: Families are formed on the golf course or foxed on
Speaker 2: the golf course. Where individuals would meet just for a
Speaker 2: social setting on the golf course without even lifting a club.
Speaker 2: And with that being said, I would then presume that
Speaker 2: that also drives the economy around the golfing world. You'll
Speaker 2: correct me if I'm wrong there. If you look at
Speaker 2: the restaurants, if you look at the hospitality industry as
Speaker 2: a whole, to say, okay, people would go to the
Speaker 2: halfway House just to have lunch. As you said, there's
Speaker 2: a lot of golf estates, there's hotels and results that
Speaker 2: have golf courses on them, and people just like being
Speaker 2: out there in the open just to have a view
Speaker 2: of the scenery and just to relax without even playing. Now,
Speaker 2: these are some of the things that I believe are underrated.
Speaker 2: And from your side, as someone who's been exposed to
Speaker 2: this world of golf, I would like to get your
Speaker 2: opinions or your inputs around it, to say, how do
Speaker 2: you view it and what is it that you've actually
Speaker 2: come across over the years regarding that particular aspect.
Speaker 3: Well, Tony, I couldn't agree with you more. I think
Speaker 3: that golf is a business, a business generator, A business
Speaker 3: is done on the golf course. And you know, I
Speaker 3: was always said as well, if you are playing golf
Speaker 3: with the perspective client or a client, you always can
Speaker 3: to be able to see what they like. You know,
Speaker 3: you're got to see they've got a bad temper or
Speaker 3: what's going to happen, so you will get to understand
Speaker 3: your client very quickly. The one thing that we used
Speaker 3: to do is we used to do these accommodation promotions.
Speaker 3: So we went to Mauritius. We went very often to
Speaker 3: Champain's Balls resort, and we were people just book and
Speaker 3: come with us, and I would arrange the four balls
Speaker 3: and I would make sure that the first day you
Speaker 3: could choose your four ball, but the next two days
Speaker 3: I used to split them up. And you know, you
Speaker 3: used to watch people that didn't know each other from Adam,
Speaker 3: never met each other, become firm friends. And it was joyful.
Speaker 3: It was what we wanted. It was not only golf.
Speaker 3: It was absolutely that whole aspect of making new friends, relaxing,
Speaker 3: being taken to a beautiful place and then everyone goes
Speaker 3: home happy and you know, and you know, listen, we'll
Speaker 3: see you back in joy Well, we'll meet you in Durban. Gosh,
Speaker 3: We're going to come and see you, you know, and
Speaker 3: that's what's it's it's and that's what golf is about.
Speaker 3: And then also we had wonderful spot so it's like
Speaker 3: Global Golf. Joe Bartin was amazing. Very often she would
Speaker 3: join us, so she would you interact with who uses
Speaker 3: in users and it was very special. And yes, business
Speaker 3: is done on the golf course because you know, I
Speaker 3: hear sometimes from people, particularly people who are not golfers
Speaker 3: and they've maybe been to a golf day and they've
Speaker 3: sponsored and been in a hole and they go, now
Speaker 3: it's not last people not interested, and obviously there is,
Speaker 3: though I always try to explain to them that golfers
Speaker 3: are very different. You know, you've got to be careful
Speaker 3: how you catch and they maybe have a bad round
Speaker 3: or a very good round and don't know to be
Speaker 3: distracted or so it's kind of interacting with them and
Speaker 3: then utilizing the time after the golf as well to
Speaker 3: maybe follow up and things like that, because it really
Speaker 3: is a wonderful, wonderful platform to be able to present
Speaker 3: new products. I'm actually talking to New Perspective, two New
Speaker 3: Perspective sponsors for US and they and people becoming rand
Speaker 3: new into South Africa and this is a wonderful for
Speaker 3: them years. So you maybe join out some new arms
Speaker 3: and more soon. But I believe in the golf market completely,
Speaker 3: I really do. I think that's a fabulous I'm a
Speaker 3: great believer in face to face, uh you know, communication,
Speaker 3: and I think that the weak of the golfers are
Speaker 3: a wonderful platform to be able to interact with. So
Speaker 3: you're quite right with all of that. And the nineteenth
Speaker 3: totals where you seal your deal. You you know, you
Speaker 3: started out when you live it on the course and
Speaker 3: then it's all done and dusted when you when you complete.
Speaker 3: It's a fantastic avenue and we should explore that and
Speaker 3: maybe we will get involved in more of those of
Speaker 3: maybe away trips you know that there the falls and
Speaker 3: and things like that. And it's a very exciting charmer
Speaker 3: us again, so for me it's a birth of another baby,
Speaker 3: you know, and that's very exciting. So and I love
Speaker 3: the fact that I'm surrounded by all you wonderful young
Speaker 3: guys who know the golf industry so well, hadn't come
Speaker 3: from golf development as well, so you are the girl's
Speaker 3: roots of it. So a ptation, I mean, it's just
Speaker 3: fantastic and the fact that you are still here in
Speaker 3: golf now, you know, making a different difference with the
Speaker 3: podcast or congratulations to all of you and thank you
Speaker 3: for reading to.
Speaker 2: We really appreciate Linn. And I have to I have
Speaker 2: to ask you one question. You mentioned that the halfway
Speaker 2: house is where we seal the deal. Now I want
Speaker 2: to understand we do we just seal the deal when
Speaker 2: we get to the halfway house, or we wait for
Speaker 2: someone to have two three drinks before.
Speaker 3: We actually get the class, and until you have the
Speaker 3: two three drinks, maybe it's Yeah, as I said, I
Speaker 3: think I was pretty good at the ninety or probably
Speaker 3: not the fact that my family would like to But no,
Speaker 3: it's always fun because you're either celebrating your you know,
Speaker 3: your your great ground or commiserating but you played poorly,
Speaker 3: so there's always a reason to have that that a
Speaker 3: couple of losses a while, but and and comfortable. Our clubhouses,
Speaker 3: they are so wonderful. You spoke about the restaurants, and
Speaker 3: as you know, Wendy Alberts, you see the Restaurant Association
Speaker 3: is going to be a prison normal show, and she
Speaker 3: really is the Dane our restaurants an incredible She may
Speaker 3: not be a chef, you know, in trained, but she's
Speaker 3: an amazing mousing decorator and I can't wait for for
Speaker 3: you guys to be interacting with her as well. So
Speaker 3: there's a lot that we can do. And you you know,
Speaker 3: our golf courses have some beautiful restaurants, and when you
Speaker 3: will be able to offer support in terms of training,
Speaker 3: you know, for golf clubs that that would like to
Speaker 3: have their waiters you know, perhaps be trained. Because what
Speaker 3: we also need is we need the international golfers to come,
Speaker 3: you know and help us, and that's job creation and
Speaker 3: obviously they spending which is you know, revenue improvement, and
Speaker 3: but they will come with expectations. So when he is
Speaker 3: very able to do that. She has been nominated as
Speaker 3: you know, a part of a business Woman of the
Speaker 3: quite a few times. So she's a perfect person for
Speaker 3: us to be to be partnered with. And she also
Speaker 3: has a couple of small hotels guesthouses also a members
Speaker 3: of hers. But I think it's a very large platform,
Speaker 3: you know, having the publication. We know how important advertising
Speaker 3: and exposure is for a product. So there is a
Speaker 3: saying it says out of sight, out of mind, and
Speaker 3: that couldn't be more true. You have to keep your
Speaker 3: product in front of the people's eyes, you know, for
Speaker 3: them to one see it. But then also we sell
Speaker 3: our product as well, you know, we all have best
Speaker 3: salespeople and word of mouth. Certain it's the first best way,
Speaker 3: but the next best way is to be around talking
Speaker 3: to people and making sure that they keep seeing, you know,
Speaker 3: seeing your product. And we're going to be able to
Speaker 3: provide the facility for people and girlth clubs. What makes
Speaker 3: me go to one club compared to another is possibly
Speaker 3: someone who's to me or might also be at an event.
Speaker 3: But if you look in just again and have a
Speaker 3: social round of goal, what's going to attract you? I
Speaker 3: read about something or they've got a special or something
Speaker 3: like that. Yeah, hopefully we are going to be very
Speaker 3: instrumental in providing, you know, where people or determine where
Speaker 3: people are going to go and play their golf as well.
Speaker 3: So that's going to be exciting MEAs.
Speaker 2: All some stuff lean Before we proceed, I just need
Speaker 2: to say something I don't I don't think our audience
Speaker 2: understands what's happening, but I hope after what I say,
Speaker 2: they will understand what's happening because I just can't contain
Speaker 2: my excitement number one and number two, Like I said,
Speaker 2: I have to say this what a great time to
Speaker 2: be alive. And the reason I'm saying that is because
Speaker 2: there's anything about myself I like learning new things and
Speaker 2: to actually be acquainted with someone like yourself who has
Speaker 2: so much knowledge and experience within the space that I
Speaker 2: operate in. I believe that there's so much that I'll
Speaker 2: be learning from you. And obviously, like you said, it's
Speaker 2: a group of young lads who just want to continue
Speaker 2: promoting golf, whether it's social or on a professional level.
Speaker 2: We are more adaptable to changes, especially technology technological changes. Men,
Speaker 2: there's a time twister. But I'm looking forward to us
Speaker 2: working together and seeing how we can actually change the
Speaker 2: environment or the landscape of golf and take it to
Speaker 2: new heights. Alongside with all the partners that will be
Speaker 2: involved in our focus.
Speaker 3: Tony, I thank you, you know, I mean, you are
Speaker 3: the future, and I think the one thing that we
Speaker 3: gave to be use we going to be able to
Speaker 3: promote talent. We're going to be able to try and
Speaker 3: see who we see who are going to be the
Speaker 3: buddy in you know, and stars of the future, and
Speaker 3: that's really exciting as well. Although there is a pleathora
Speaker 3: of wonderful golfers out there, at the moment, we are
Speaker 3: very lucky. And yeah with you guys as well. I
Speaker 3: think I'm going to be learning from you because I'm
Speaker 3: the old school. But if I say, if there's one
Speaker 3: thing that we if we do something properly and we
Speaker 3: provide the information and you know the we all learn
Speaker 3: along the way from everything and nothing ever stays the same.
Speaker 3: You know, all we want is and people to play
Speaker 3: the game and love it as much as we do.
Speaker 2: Now, I'm going to ask you It's simple, but I
Speaker 2: think it's a pathetic question, but I will ask it
Speaker 2: to say, Okay, Lynn, you have played golf. I'm sure
Speaker 2: you have played in a number of golf days, but
Speaker 2: so far, what would you say was the most ridiculous
Speaker 2: amount you paid to play on a golf day? And
Speaker 2: why that golf days specifically?
Speaker 3: Wow? Well, you know I'm going to answer it in
Speaker 3: a really cowardly cowardly way. I'm going to say that
Speaker 3: the expensive rounds of golf are normally really good value
Speaker 3: for money when you break it down, because what you
Speaker 3: get and it's how you feel when you are there,
Speaker 3: because gold is an experience and it's not just arriving,
Speaker 3: jumping on the t box, slapping the ball around and
Speaker 3: coming off. And now it's that whole thing of how
Speaker 3: you greet it when you get to the club and
Speaker 3: how there's what's a service like? And then you go
Speaker 3: out to the golf course and your golf court is
Speaker 3: already there, and some instances your name is on it.
Speaker 3: You feel special, you know, and then you can play
Speaker 3: beautiful condition and it's a lovely day. So and if
Speaker 3: you play okay, you don't mind what you pay. You know,
Speaker 3: certainly you don't put fun fold with the amount that
Speaker 3: you paid. And I think that, yeah, you've got to
Speaker 3: experience all of this and some obviously sometimes it would
Speaker 3: be nice if green fees in that were a lot cheaper,
Speaker 3: but the reality is more costly to have a.
Speaker 2: Helean.
Speaker 3: I think prissing in golf is just unfortunately the fact
Speaker 3: that it is an expensive game, but there is there
Speaker 3: are so many people who are trying to make it
Speaker 3: more affordable for everyone, because it's something that everyone shouldn't
Speaker 3: It shouldn't only be for for people who who you know,
Speaker 3: have the means so, and while there are also a
Speaker 3: variety a white variety of golf courses with different rates
Speaker 3: as well, all have the appeal, you know. So golf
Speaker 3: is a game for everyone and I think it's fantastic
Speaker 3: and we need to keep trying to see how we
Speaker 3: can help, you know, because the bigger the feels it
Speaker 3: does mean then that the process can be a little
Speaker 3: bit more reasonable as well. So you can fillce on
Speaker 3: feels and generate a cheaper green fee for that, then
Speaker 3: that would be helping, you know as well, because it's
Speaker 3: better to have a hundred people that one hundred brand
Speaker 3: than ten people b that more people eating and drinking there,
Speaker 3: and it just makes better sense, you know, and then
Speaker 3: the spirit. So yeah, I'm sorry I took the cowards
Speaker 3: way out, but that is horses for courses, you know,
Speaker 3: and we need to in some places were just going
Speaker 3: to have to, you know, pay a bit more for no.
Speaker 2: And I wouldn't say it's a coward the way out.
Speaker 2: I think that the way you constructed your answer is
Speaker 2: the best way to actually answer it. And I'm sorryficaching,
Speaker 2: you've got there now. I want to fight, I want
Speaker 2: to find it. I mean, you've you've you've been like
Speaker 2: like I said, you've been in the space for so long,
Speaker 2: and most particularly around the literature. As you said you
Speaker 2: in your publication, there's a lot of topics that you
Speaker 2: guys covered. There's a lot of information that you guys disseminated.
Speaker 2: Now I just want to find out. Has someone ever
Speaker 2: approached you and said, listen, lean last week or last month.
Speaker 2: I read the few tips that you actually put in
Speaker 2: tea to green and I've implemented them on the golf
Speaker 2: course and I'm shooting better sports. Has anything like that
Speaker 2: ever happened to you?
Speaker 3: Yes, Tony, you want of the things that used to
Speaker 3: happen to us. I mean, it was the most wonderful.
Speaker 3: Having a publication is really amazing. People come up to
Speaker 3: you with all kinds of also to help you. They
Speaker 3: think that what we should be doing. But yes, they
Speaker 3: commented on everything publication with it was a photograph in fact,
Speaker 3: you know, if we used to I remember particularly we
Speaker 3: had some ads for EPHO your golfer state, and I
Speaker 3: got a from my lady and she said, my husband
Speaker 3: plays golf and he brings your publication home and I
Speaker 3: read it. Please tell me where is your you know,
Speaker 3: I could tell her, but that's so amazing. We had
Speaker 3: non golfers read the publication as well, not just the golfers,
Speaker 3: and loved it, you know. And one of the best
Speaker 3: things as well is that, so I'm so excited about
Speaker 3: balls and teas as well, and the fact that we're
Speaker 3: going to be you know, it's love and we've got
Speaker 3: the cameras, it's people. It's lovely to show people their
Speaker 3: faces there, you know that moving that's going to be
Speaker 3: very special. It's it just elevates that publication to another
Speaker 3: level of that and that is very much more personal,
Speaker 3: you know. And I think the fact for me people
Speaker 3: and making it more accessible, I think that's very exciting.
Speaker 3: And I can't wait for the feedback from there as well.
Speaker 3: Possibly going to be something like did you really have
Speaker 3: to form me from that angle or whatever it might
Speaker 3: some of the things might be a little bit different,
Speaker 3: but no, we honestly, we had feedback constantly. We had
Speaker 3: lovely letters. People loved our contributors. It's but what's not
Speaker 3: to love, you know. We have an amazing golfer in
Speaker 3: South Africa with the most amazing people. They are so
Speaker 3: talented and Molnire golfers but our journals and and you know,
Speaker 3: the golfer say the sunshine to the amount of tournaments
Speaker 3: that have been a it's fantastic. So it's it's really
Speaker 3: is brilliant and and I'm actually an answer to be
Speaker 3: a part of it, and I should say still a
Speaker 3: part of it after all these years.
Speaker 2: Definitely, Lynn, let let's go for a two minute break
Speaker 2: and then when we come back, I'll be dreading you
Speaker 2: more and more questions, but I'll definitely make sure that
Speaker 2: I do not catch you of God. But for the
Speaker 2: most of the second part of our episode, we will
Speaker 2: be talking abouts and ties. We'll be talking about how
Speaker 2: we're going to take golf to new heights in the
Speaker 2: next coming years, looking forward. Awesome. Awesome, So let's go
Speaker 2: get a refreshment and an intimate stum. We will be back.
Speaker 3: Thank you, Keny.
Speaker 2: Awesome.
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Speaker 1: In a world where fairways meet the airwaves, where Bertie's
Speaker 1: and banker collide. Welcome to the show that takes you
Speaker 1: beyond the clubhouse and onto the green. There's balls, and
Speaker 1: t's your passport to the golfing universe, where every swing
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Speaker 4: The magician.
Speaker 2: All right, ladies and gentlemen, thank you for staying around.
Speaker 2: And as you know, this is the one only Tony
Speaker 2: to the Magician the ball with a lot of player.
Speaker 2: I am a classic man I'm a classic man because
Speaker 2: I play golf. I don't know about you, but ladies
Speaker 2: and gentlemen, thank you for staying tuned. As I said, today,
Speaker 2: we've got a special guest, Lynn Jones, the co founder
Speaker 2: of Tea to Green and guess what, the new member
Speaker 2: of Balls and Teas and Men am I so excited
Speaker 2: because nothing can substitute experience and all the wisdom.
Speaker 3: That she has.
Speaker 2: I get to sit next to her and say, Len,
Speaker 2: I want to find out how do you do this
Speaker 2: in this space? And she gets to say, Tony, listen,
Speaker 2: let's talk about the podcast. How do you do this?
Speaker 2: When it gets to this, So, ladies and gentlemen, without
Speaker 2: wasting any more time, I just want to welcome Lian back. Lynn.
Speaker 2: Are you still with us? I'm still going turning awesome stuff. Linn.
Speaker 2: This is the second segment, and I have to say
Speaker 2: I just can't get the smile off my face, like
Speaker 2: every time I say your name, like, oh yeah, and tees.
Speaker 3: I love the small affairs.
Speaker 2: Now now, Lena, as I said, I will be coming
Speaker 2: at you with a lot of questions and uh, but
Speaker 2: they're not difficult. I just want us to to chat
Speaker 2: about balls and ties to say, okay, if you were
Speaker 2: to look at the landscape of media around golf, whether
Speaker 2: it be publications, whether it be broadcast, if you were
Speaker 2: to look at it now and compare to the time
Speaker 2: where you started your first publication in golf, what would
Speaker 2: you has changed and what would you say has actually
Speaker 2: stayed the same around that that landscape.
Speaker 3: Well, when we got into golf, they were literally two
Speaker 3: other publications Complete Golf Friend Golf Digest in Ourselves and
Speaker 3: then over because of boom. You know, golf was booming,
Speaker 3: a lot of other publications tried to come in but
Speaker 3: then fell by the wayside. And nowadays, obviously the number
Speaker 3: of publications go publications has diminished again. You've got a
Speaker 3: couple of online ones now a few of them. But
Speaker 3: obviously podcasts now is the way to go. It is
Speaker 3: a new modern, interactive way. And I have to say
Speaker 3: I love the immediacy of I'm not a huge social
Speaker 3: media fan, but what I do love is the fact
Speaker 3: that we can talk to people immediately. You know, Tea
Speaker 3: Green was a month in publication, so you stepped away
Speaker 3: four or five weeks before, depending on how many weeks
Speaker 3: in a month for us to go to Prince and
Speaker 3: the day and everything, so we always had to watch,
Speaker 3: you know, the events because as you said in the introduction,
Speaker 3: we always tried to make sure we're freshen up to date,
Speaker 3: so we would be We normally went to print on
Speaker 3: a Monday, and we would make sure that we cover
Speaker 3: tournaments that ended on that Sunday. Because of that, the
Speaker 3: time you printed it and it's got out, whereas nowadays
Speaker 3: you've got we can put things out instantly and that's
Speaker 3: absolutely fantastic. And say in the Sunshine to they feed
Speaker 3: a lot of articles, you know, which is brilliant, so
Speaker 3: it makes it also a lot easier. So yeah, that
Speaker 3: I think that is the difference. A lot of podcasts
Speaker 3: probably a lot easier and a little less expensive as
Speaker 3: well than a than printing. But obviously also you know,
Speaker 3: people have gone off the hard print now. Personally must
Speaker 3: I like the hot Friends. I love the smell when
Speaker 3: when the publication used to arrive, you could smell it,
Speaker 3: you know, it was it was just brilliant and you
Speaker 3: could read it easily as well as an older person
Speaker 3: quite hard and you're trying to read it on your
Speaker 3: phone or your laptop or something like that, even on
Speaker 3: the screen. I love the publication. But I suppose, and
Speaker 3: you've done something for so long, sometimes it's a little
Speaker 3: bit hard to change, even though you should. But yeah,
Speaker 3: I thinks that's been in the change which was inhibitable.
Speaker 2: Undred percent, And I have to I have to just
Speaker 2: build up on what you said, because change is a
Speaker 2: very scary transition for most people. But we also need
Speaker 2: to bear in mind as people to say that for
Speaker 2: as much as we want change and adapting to change,
Speaker 2: it's not usually as easy as we would want it
Speaker 2: to be. And sometimes, obviously there needs to be a
Speaker 2: bridge between to say, okay, let's say let's talk about
Speaker 2: bows and tis. For instance, if we look at bos
Speaker 2: and Teas, it's mainly digital, and if we look at
Speaker 2: Titu Green, it was more of a print media. It
Speaker 2: was very physical. So isn't there a way in which
Speaker 2: the old school and the new school can actually get
Speaker 2: together and be, like, you know what, let's form some
Speaker 2: in that can work without taking away the the relevance
Speaker 2: of either one of the tools.
Speaker 3: I definitely think so. I mean, you know, you still
Speaker 3: have your hard copy of publications. I think all of
Speaker 3: the day it's the prising that determines all something stays
Speaker 3: or goes. Obviously, nowadays there's a lot of competition for
Speaker 3: ad spend and you need to be able to do
Speaker 3: a good job, so you know, you can't cut corners.
Speaker 3: You need to have best of writers, et cetera. So
Speaker 3: that's very important. I think, particularly on golf, that is
Speaker 3: probably the one sport where a hard copy still has relevance.
Speaker 3: If you've got the budget on your golfers, you like it.
Speaker 3: You know, you still have your slightly older person who
Speaker 3: you know, we need our glasses and that. So it's
Speaker 3: quite nice to and it was. It was something very
Speaker 3: special about being able to pick up a copy as
Speaker 3: you you know, went into the plask giving room or
Speaker 3: into the bar to during your fourball, you know, or
Speaker 3: the last There is something in that. And one of
Speaker 3: the great things about it, and I am in the
Speaker 3: sitting in the past at the moment, was because we
Speaker 3: used to do the promotions, the fact that someone in
Speaker 3: the four ball would have a copy of the tea
Speaker 3: you know, Tea to Green they would then see the
Speaker 3: ad oh should we go? You know, it kind of
Speaker 3: created and I think one of the for me, one
Speaker 3: of the hardest things is always giving a four ball
Speaker 3: you oh gosh, who should you know? Whereas with you
Speaker 3: sitting together and you say, come on, let's all go
Speaker 3: and do this, it's really easy. So it happened, belief.
Speaker 3: But you know, we talk about the podcast now and
Speaker 3: I think that's our hard copy now. You know, that
Speaker 3: is our future. It's it's import and it's even better
Speaker 3: because we can communicate. You know, people can talk and
Speaker 3: you can hear them, and that's even better than the
Speaker 3: written word. It's nice to hear. So yeah, I'm really
Speaker 3: happy with that, I must say, and you're quite right,
Speaker 3: I am going to say, how on earth do you
Speaker 3: guys do that? You are really clear? Because it is
Speaker 3: it's impressing. But I think that is wonderful and I
Speaker 3: believe wholeheartedly in the in the podcast now and particularly
Speaker 3: particularly Balls and Tees. So I'm looking I'm looking forward
Speaker 3: to that because you are going to be teaching me
Speaker 3: and that's going to be fantastic. I'm probably going to
Speaker 3: approve it. Holli Blage. You're never too old to learn.
Speaker 2: Now, Yeah, I believe. I believe that, Like you said,
Speaker 2: you're never too old to learn. But at the same time,
Speaker 2: there's no substitute for experience now, lean, I just want
Speaker 2: to find out, I mean, your your own personal opinion,
Speaker 2: your take on social media and the pety tests in
Speaker 2: the golfing industry. Do you think it is actually helping
Speaker 2: the industry or do you do you sometimes feel like
Speaker 2: it's taken away from the notion of the classic way
Speaker 2: or the classic way of playing golf and the etiquetde
Speaker 2: of gold because I've seen videos where people actually play
Speaker 2: golf in genes on social media, and for someone like
Speaker 2: me who really believes in the classic feel and the
Speaker 2: etiquette of golf, I believe they're just taking a bit
Speaker 2: away from golf. I'm not quite sure about the overall
Speaker 2: behavior or the overall conduct therefore, so I just want
Speaker 2: to find out your your opinion around social media and golf.
Speaker 2: Do you think there's a disconnect or do you think
Speaker 2: due to the way that the world is moving or
Speaker 2: the pace that the world is moving, there will always
Speaker 2: be these kind of challenges and we just have to
Speaker 2: make sure that we educate people.
Speaker 3: I think turning. I'm a traditionist. I love golf. I
Speaker 3: love the rules, I love the fact you have your captains,
Speaker 3: and you know, I love everything about golf like that.
Speaker 3: It really is a dignified sport. But having said that,
Speaker 3: we have to move with the times, and it's also
Speaker 3: important for golf clubs to survive, and people nowadays have
Speaker 3: different requirements and so someone has to listen to them
Speaker 3: to survive. For someone who only started golf perhaps five
Speaker 3: six years ago, you know, they weren't experienced what we
Speaker 3: experienced back in the nineteen nineties, and there were it
Speaker 3: was a lot stricter. And yet you know, I never
Speaker 3: well you can always say, I mean, I've started golf
Speaker 3: when ladies were really not all that welcome on the
Speaker 3: golf course. You know, they were not used to seeing us,
Speaker 3: so a little bit different then. But at the same time,
Speaker 3: you know, you have to expect. We weren't stopped playing golf.
Speaker 3: We just couldn't play on certain days. And then that
Speaker 3: all which was actually a good thing just in terms
Speaker 3: of because ladies who work couldn't play mid week and
Speaker 3: so therefore now that we'll be able to play on
Speaker 3: the weekend. So it was progress. But everything that is
Speaker 3: done has been done a thing for the right reasons,
Speaker 3: and it's correct, and it has ensured that golf has
Speaker 3: survived and not only sabout but wasn't and that's ultimately,
Speaker 3: you know, the objective of everything. It would be nice.
Speaker 3: I don't like people in T shirts and slops at
Speaker 3: golf and golf clubs, in the clubhouses, because there was
Speaker 3: a time when you know, you walk jacket and taros
Speaker 3: to pross into the men and we all used to
Speaker 3: dress up, you know, and change and I love that,
Speaker 3: you know, but that's again going back to the dark ages.
Speaker 3: So no, I think progress sometimes you have to move
Speaker 3: with it no matter you know, no matter what, at
Speaker 3: the end of the day, there is the result is
Speaker 3: what counts, and I think that the results is being
Speaker 3: very positive. Some of the golf clubs aregreeming and it's
Speaker 3: all because families have been included and actually caterd to
Speaker 3: and that's very important. I think that's that's growing the
Speaker 3: game and the memberships substantially in the old day. Yeah awesome.
Speaker 2: And and and just to just to follow up question
Speaker 2: on that, Lena mean we we we just spoke about
Speaker 2: the eduquide the traditional aspect of golf and social media.
Speaker 2: Now I want to find out from you personally, if
Speaker 2: you were to have your own golf course, what's the
Speaker 2: one feature you actually incorporate in your golf course, just
Speaker 2: to make sure that you stand out and your golf
Speaker 2: course is unique from the rest of all the golf courses.
Speaker 3: What a great question. Well, I think when you stand
Speaker 3: on a clubhouse is terrace and you look out of course,
Speaker 3: there's nothing more beautiful. You know, it's tranquil, it's a picturesque.
Speaker 3: So ensuring that your clubhouse has a as a lot
Speaker 3: of most of our golf courses do have. Your your
Speaker 3: clubhouse has this view, this panoramic view where such an
Speaker 3: advantage for clubs where you can you know, see the
Speaker 3: eighth and sorry, the ninth and eighteenth greens. I think
Speaker 3: that's great because you can want to change, you can
Speaker 3: see the halfway and that's very exciting. So that's a
Speaker 3: big class. Yeah. And obviously the comfort you know when
Speaker 3: you're come in after golf, that's that's also very important
Speaker 3: for me. I think, you know, being able to particularly
Speaker 3: in business, because if you're inviting clients to come and
Speaker 3: play your prospective, you know clans, it's nice to be
Speaker 3: able to offer them with a loving meal afterwards, we
Speaker 3: are well catered for and you know your one is
Speaker 3: nasty child, et cetera. I think that's a very nice
Speaker 3: add on and that is very much the restaurant's side.
Speaker 3: We really comes in as well, you know, so that
Speaker 3: we were exciting to hear who's side, and then also
Speaker 3: to hear not just the golf a tool. Now we're
Speaker 3: going to have the restaurant and what's going on there,
Speaker 3: and you know how things are progressing or what the
Speaker 3: problems are, because obviously there's always something that has to
Speaker 3: be attended to, and that's going to make it more
Speaker 3: interesting for the golfers as well. We say we business people,
Speaker 3: you know a lot of business people, and now we're
Speaker 3: incorporating more into our show, and I think that's going
Speaker 3: to be very exciting.
Speaker 2: Awesome, awesome man.
Speaker 3: I like that.
Speaker 2: You know, if there's anything that I would actually put
Speaker 2: in my golf course, if I if I had a
Speaker 2: golf course, or if I had an opportunity to on
Speaker 2: a golf course, I think I put a podcast, incorporate
Speaker 2: a podcast. I want to hear people's views because, like
Speaker 2: you said, this spot is the most irritating spot that
Speaker 2: I've played personally, because from the fair I go through
Speaker 2: a tumel of emotions and I see a lot of
Speaker 2: things on the gold course. So I would actually like
Speaker 2: people to express themselves, to say this is how I
Speaker 2: felt before playing, this is how I feel while playing,
Speaker 2: and then this is how I feel after playing, and
Speaker 2: just to summarize everything and summarize people's experiences, and also
Speaker 2: to make sure that whoever is new in the golf
Speaker 2: course or whoever wants membership in the golf course can
Speaker 2: actually understand what goes on in the golf course. I
Speaker 2: don't know if that makes sense.
Speaker 3: No, I think, haypantastic would that be? You probably have
Speaker 3: to do a lot of the bleeping after their rounds,
Speaker 3: you know, it's fantastic. And I mean that's the thing
Speaker 3: as well. The clubs and track managers and their committees,
Speaker 3: they really have to try listen to their members as well,
Speaker 3: because you know they have they do provide inputs. Sometimes
Speaker 3: it's not possible, but you have to listen to anything.
Speaker 3: You know, if you listen to other people, you can grow,
Speaker 3: you know, because not we don't always have the best ideas.
Speaker 3: I know I don't, but you find a collaboration with
Speaker 3: really well. So I believe in teams. I love that.
Speaker 3: I'm a great believer in networking and that's very important.
Speaker 3: But you know, the communication is the name of the game.
Speaker 3: And so it was wonderful when we have the publication,
Speaker 3: and now as well, it will be even better because
Speaker 3: that's something that we have. I don't know if I'm
Speaker 3: speaking of a tune, but there's something that we're going
Speaker 3: to be doing love podcasts from you know, at golf
Speaker 3: days and things like that after so people will see
Speaker 3: all in action and you'll be able to communicate with
Speaker 3: them as well and get that real time response from them.
Speaker 3: You know, how is you around? Go away? Or you know, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: how long have you got so no. I think that's
Speaker 3: fantastic and very exciting and and and it makes us,
Speaker 3: you know, very approachable, and I think in terms of
Speaker 3: relationship building, I think it would be fantastic. You know,
Speaker 3: people will remember balls and tees for a long time.
Speaker 2: Awesome.
Speaker 3: I like that.
Speaker 2: Now you put a smell back on my face. What's
Speaker 2: gonna happen to me? I think to them, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: slip smiling.
Speaker 3: You're talking to me now.
Speaker 2: Now here's here's an interesting thing. Obviously, golf is we'll
Speaker 2: test someone's character and it's a game of integrity. So
Speaker 2: if anything that people who've never played golf need to
Speaker 2: understand is that you call yourself out. You don't. You
Speaker 2: don't just do things because no one is seeing you.
Speaker 2: You actually reprimand yourself when you're on the golf course.
Speaker 2: Now you've played golf so many times, you've attended gold
Speaker 2: there so many times. Have you seen someone's character, like
Speaker 2: the actual character being revealed on the golf course, whether
Speaker 2: they had the west they or the west shot ever,
Speaker 2: or whether they were cheating on the golf course. We
Speaker 2: don't have to mention the names, by the way, we
Speaker 2: don't even have to mention the particular golf course or
Speaker 2: the particular girth day. I'm just saying with regards to
Speaker 2: the whole integrity of the sports, have you seen instances
Speaker 2: where people totally lose it because of one small thing
Speaker 2: or one slight mistake and after doing so, have what
Speaker 2: was your engagement or interaction with them afterwards, whether the
Speaker 2: very same people that they were at that moment, or
Speaker 2: did you get to see a different side of them?
Speaker 3: Well, I can honestly tell you that it happened very seldom,
Speaker 3: you know, hardly ever, but there has been an occurrence.
Speaker 3: It had to be dealt with as well, and it's
Speaker 3: normally it's not unexpected, so your character does come out
Speaker 3: and people do know who you are, or a great
Speaker 3: strength of of playing golf with people, and you know,
Speaker 3: playing with our friends. I mean, you know, we we
Speaker 3: tend to play a lot with our friends because we
Speaker 3: know each other and we know that we're not going
Speaker 3: to encounter in the in the main. You know, it's
Speaker 3: all good and great, you know so, but I think no,
Speaker 3: people are lovely people and it's fun. Is a fantastic game.
Speaker 3: And and I think you know, if there were two
Speaker 3: people who were similar in a four wall, then you
Speaker 3: probably might find some more perhaps questionable behavior, but generally,
Speaker 3: for most you might. If you've found one, you've saw
Speaker 3: the three other fabulous people to keep them in line.
Speaker 3: And I think that, I think is what helps to
Speaker 3: keep it the gentlemen's sport. You know, we look after
Speaker 3: each other.
Speaker 2: Definitely. Now, Linn, we just about ten minutes before the
Speaker 2: end of the show. Now I'm gonna put you on
Speaker 2: the spot and you'll have to forgive me. Hopefully you'll
Speaker 2: return the figure of one of the days. So it
Speaker 2: has to do with you playing golf. It has to
Speaker 2: do with highlights of your golfing career and the downfalls,
Speaker 2: the moments of embarrassment while playing golf. So with that
Speaker 2: being said, I would like to leave the platform to
Speaker 2: you to share with us the most embarrassing moments you've
Speaker 2: experienced on the golf course and obviously the highlights that
Speaker 2: you've experienced on the golf course.
Speaker 3: Okay, well, I'm going to stop the same. I've had
Speaker 3: two holes in one which has been my first. One
Speaker 3: was at Royal Bourbon in those days. It was a
Speaker 3: sixth hole I think it's a different home number now.
Speaker 3: And then the next was at C C.
Speaker 5: J on the wood Meet course on the eighth hole,
Speaker 5: and it was at Ladies Open and I was a gosh,
Speaker 5: I was so on the tip had that never was
Speaker 5: so kind to me. This is also harder on my
Speaker 5: own but also the most embarrassing as well.
Speaker 3: And I was playing a league game at Beetford and
Speaker 3: plan absolutely I have to say, we're playing rubbish and
Speaker 3: we got to a prop five and I forgive me
Speaker 3: a country. I think it's cool, and we teetled and
Speaker 3: I hit my second shot and we sort of both
Speaker 3: walked forward and we couldn't find my ball and ge
Speaker 3: but you know, I actually believe it or not it
Speaker 3: had gone straight, so we're was it and I actually
Speaker 3: said to my opponent, I said, maybe it's in the
Speaker 3: whole of We both laughed, like man, we said, oh
Speaker 3: my gosh, you know, I would be really new black crab,
Speaker 3: but blame me down.
Speaker 6: So I had an eagle, won the whole and but
Speaker 6: I think they went back back back to playing rubbish again,
Speaker 6: So that was it was also fantastic.
Speaker 3: Other than that, John, I've had some interesting shots around
Speaker 3: the courses, and it's always whenever you want to play
Speaker 3: your best and impress someone, you play your worst and
Speaker 3: then the heart to try you trather where she get.
Speaker 3: I think I've also had a couple of times where
Speaker 3: I've lost quite a few golf balls on the golf course.
Speaker 3: The water for me is a great attraction. But yeah,
Speaker 3: I'd like to start. Just stay with those three. I
Speaker 3: think anything else she blotted out. So I think that
Speaker 3: that was fantastic. Can I have to say that my
Speaker 3: home in one at Real Derman it was a really
Speaker 3: straight and you could see. But at C c J
Speaker 3: it was you know, the eighth has that bumper on
Speaker 3: the left and it's got the little uh you know,
Speaker 3: you lose the hole and the hole was on the
Speaker 3: left hand side, and I remember hitting the ball in
Speaker 3: the air and my caddie was going, it's in the hole,
Speaker 3: and I'm thinking, really, you know, Noll and I mean
Speaker 3: we couldn't see the hole, and he just kept saying,
Speaker 3: it's in the hole. Okay, well wow, that's great, and
Speaker 3: the courser we got to within the hole and then
Speaker 3: when we got to the green mar ball was not
Speaker 3: there and it was in the hole. So it was
Speaker 3: it was fantastic. What a what an amazing feeling, I
Speaker 3: have to.
Speaker 2: Say, it's really amazing.
Speaker 3: Yea. And at Royal Dermin it was actually a social
Speaker 3: around that I was playing. It was a very quiet day.
Speaker 3: It was in the morning, but just so it happened
Speaker 3: as my ball went in the hole, there was some
Speaker 3: like about ten people coming from all directions they were playing.
Speaker 3: You know, it really was quiet. So yeah, yeah, I'm
Speaker 3: delighted that I can say that I have had holden once.
Speaker 3: I have had uh eagles, and I have had an albertoice.
Speaker 3: So many many trouble babies in West so they counsel.
Speaker 2: In essence, had you seriously played golf, you would have
Speaker 2: been prone.
Speaker 3: Oh no, no, I don't think so I believe it
Speaker 3: or not. My husband and I were tennis players and
Speaker 3: we played the league. We played high level tennis, and
Speaker 3: my husband then got the bug to play golf and
Speaker 3: I got injured. I couldn't play tennis. I got tennis
Speaker 3: and golf aether, and strangely enough, I could play golf.
Speaker 3: It was very odd, and that's how good to golf.
Speaker 3: I'm playing a few friends of mine. In fact, one
Speaker 3: of my friends who brother was a very good golfer.
Speaker 3: She was like, come on, let let's go and play.
Speaker 3: So Saturday mornings, I can't believe at six thirty in
Speaker 3: the morning, we'd be a royal durbin and we trundled
Speaker 3: down and we teach other the rules, all the wrong rules.
Speaker 3: But and then the lady Catton actually approached us and said,
Speaker 3: come on, go, come and join us, and you know,
Speaker 3: and we joined and it was wonderful. I think in
Speaker 3: my second year or whatever, I got the most improved player,
Speaker 3: which was really I'm just just a person who loved golf.
Speaker 3: I loved everything about golf because I enjoyed that camaraderie
Speaker 3: and tennis. You know, even the four of them are
Speaker 3: called two, you're still trying to blix and the other
Speaker 3: two on the other side, whereas in golf the four
Speaker 3: of them together, you know, and I think it's little sport.
Speaker 3: It really is. Yeah, So that's that's how that's how
Speaker 3: it started. And that was a long time. Quite now
Speaker 3: I'm trying to think that. Yeah, probably around about nineteen
Speaker 3: eighty eight, maybe some Yeah, but I thank you understanding
Speaker 3: it's gone yeah, unfortunately, but yeah, I mean not long
Speaker 3: after that, you know, seventies. Nineteen ninety seven we launched
Speaker 3: the first of our frisk of publication.
Speaker 2: So mm hmm.
Speaker 3: Golf was gold very good, chass, pretty good, last awesome stuff.
Speaker 2: Now I'm going to ask you one last question today,
Speaker 2: lean and I actually want to disrupt the golf in
Speaker 2: society as a whole with this question because I like
Speaker 2: chaos at certain points in time. So my question is
Speaker 2: is very simple, right, I mean, you've you've been playing
Speaker 2: golf for over thirty years. I've been playing golf for
Speaker 2: over twenty years, although I played like I only started
Speaker 2: last year.
Speaker 3: But it's fine, so I'm sure you didn't.
Speaker 2: If there's anything or actually, let's be very specific, from
Speaker 2: all the rules in golf, if there's any one that
Speaker 2: you could change, which one would it be and what
Speaker 2: adjustment would you actually make.
Speaker 3: To that rule? Well, I always hated that when you landed,
Speaker 3: did it you didn't get a free drop? That was
Speaker 3: that was very unfair. I think that was. Yeah, and bunkers.
Speaker 3: Some of the banker rules are that we're you know,
Speaker 3: like when there's water in the bunk and things like that.
Speaker 3: I think sometimes it's the absault. They need to be
Speaker 3: more you know, they need to put have those special
Speaker 3: conditions where they say, you know, you then get alp
Speaker 3: or whatever. But quite often I used to find that
Speaker 3: there wasn't a new used to have to play the
Speaker 3: balls at last, and things like that. So but I
Speaker 3: know there also changed a lot of you know recently
Speaker 3: as well. But yeah, that one then the divot that
Speaker 3: wasn't fair. So I don't think of anything else. But
Speaker 3: that was sort of unfear or anything like that. Obviously
Speaker 3: you always want to Jule. I think that I think
Speaker 3: that's about it turning. I don't really, I can't. I
Speaker 3: don't really think of anything I can remove it.
Speaker 2: What would you say if there's anything that I would
Speaker 2: want to m h, I'll look at the green. So
Speaker 2: there's a lot of things that happen when, especially when
Speaker 2: you're trying to play competitive and you're on the green,
Speaker 2: you try to do a practice stroke and you incidentally
Speaker 2: just place your pattern on the ball and they say, no,
Speaker 2: it's a stroke. I think that should be reconsidered or
Speaker 2: reviewed because if the ball doesn't move, that that doesn't
Speaker 2: mean that I've hit it. I've only touched it.
Speaker 3: I must I thought that wasn't a shot. As long
Speaker 3: as the ball doesn't move, is the any the ball
Speaker 3: moves and you know, a nuscular amount. If it doesn't move,
Speaker 3: don't think it is it is staying corrected. That that's
Speaker 3: im I didn't think that that was Maybe I was
Speaker 3: playing wrong, But now.
Speaker 2: Maybe I'm the one who has been playing with the
Speaker 2: wrong rules.
Speaker 3: You know what, we need to go back to our
Speaker 3: rules officials, get them rules. Look out your listeners. Aren't
Speaker 3: we testing the list the listeners? Now we're gonna ask
Speaker 3: them for their feedback on we all we round? Which
Speaker 3: was round?
Speaker 2: Yeah, we actually need to get that. We actually need
Speaker 2: to get that. I think we should actually post this
Speaker 2: question on our socials as well, just to find out
Speaker 2: what the listeners think and if we're right or but
Speaker 2: I can definitely assure you both myself and you are
Speaker 2: right and doing it. At the same time, we create
Speaker 2: our own rules.
Speaker 3: I think we must, you know, titilate the the audience
Speaker 3: and mcmfact help us and by helping us and help
Speaker 3: everyone else.
Speaker 2: M hmm, that's very true. Well, Lynn, we've reached the
Speaker 2: end of ours lot, and once again I have to say,
Speaker 2: I'm so excited. Yeah, I'm so excited to have you
Speaker 2: on board, and I'm so excited to seeing what we
Speaker 2: have in store and for the audience out there. If
Speaker 2: you're listening, listen, when you're seiled in, you see Boz
Speaker 2: and Tea's. When you see Boz and Teines, you seiled in.
Speaker 2: So do not separate the two, because we are one
Speaker 2: and we are super excited to take golf to New
Speaker 2: Heights this year and all the other years afterwards.
Speaker 3: Thank you, Cherny. I'm really excited and I'm honored to be,
Speaker 3: you know, proud of you guys.
Speaker 2: I really am.
Speaker 3: Thank you so much for the opportunity.
Speaker 2: No, thank you so much, Lynn, and we will be
Speaker 2: chatting almost every.
Speaker 3: Day very much. I really enjoyed this has been really
Speaker 3: lovely talking to you.
Speaker 2: No, it's been it's been it's been uh great talking
Speaker 2: to you and I think it's going to be great
Speaker 2: talking to you father, and it's going to be a
Speaker 2: great time that we're going to have as a team.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Thank you very much, all the best.
Speaker 3: Bye.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, ladies and gentlemen. So there you have it.
Speaker 2: That is the end of our slot. And I have
Speaker 2: to say it has been a beautiful, beautiful session. That's
Speaker 2: Lynn Jones, the co founder of Tea to Green and
Speaker 2: I have to say this without being shy, welcome on board. Lynn.
Speaker 2: We are decided to start working with you and we
Speaker 2: are excited to start shaking things up in South Africa's
Speaker 2: coffee industry. Not just South Africa, but we going international.
Speaker 2: We're going to shift things around and we're going to
Speaker 2: make sure that everybody starts playing golf. No matter who
Speaker 2: you are, where you are, you are going to start
Speaker 2: enjoying the spot. Whether you play it or you intend
Speaker 2: on playing it, you're going to do it. So ladies
Speaker 2: and gentlemen, with that being said, I have to say,
Speaker 2: don't say that you heard this from me. Tomorrow's Thursday.
Speaker 2: I'm not going to work. I'll be on the golf
Speaker 2: course hopefully it will stop raining and then I can
Speaker 2: play around of golf tomorrow. But for those who are
Speaker 2: working on Friday, I have to say, let's talk, let's talk,
Speaker 2: let's talk, let's talk, because I don't understand Friday is
Speaker 2: part of the weekend. So how do you then go
Speaker 2: and be productive instead of being productive on the golf course.
Speaker 2: But there's still If it's not your thing, then it's cool.
Speaker 2: I have to say I love you, guys. Please continue
Speaker 2: supporting us, please continue bringing more people to foller balls
Speaker 2: and tis. There's a lot of things coming up and
Speaker 2: I'm excited for twenty twenty five. So I have to
Speaker 2: say I love you, and I'm gonna leave you at
Speaker 2: this moment.
Speaker 3: To my chi