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Speaker 2: The part I'm struggling is like the and if I'm

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praying not to an icon, but forgive me like icond

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of Saint George, like the idea that he hears like

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my particular prayer, if I'm asking for his intercestry parent

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prayer because on a Sunday like the Patriots Saint of

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the local parish that I went to, that have gone

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to a few times with Saint George, that he could

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hear everybody's prayers all at once. It just seems like

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something attributed to a saint or to somebody in heaven

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that I've always kind of viewed as something to God.

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Speaker 3: Well, the saints are identified, so they're participating in the

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uncredited energies of God, and that's the that's the means

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by which they're able to do those things. So without God,

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without that uncreated energy and power, they would not be

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able to do that. But okay, because of the vine grace,

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they are able to do those things and go ahead.

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Speaker 2: And is just taught in tradition, Like where can I

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maybe read more on that or understand that?

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Speaker 3: But well, I mean it's a theological conclusion from a

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bunch of dogmas that are taught, like if theosis is true,

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if uncreated energies are true, and if we see in

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Revelation five through nine the saints in heaven are offering

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the saints offering the prayers of the of the Church

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on earth, and the angels are offering the prayers of

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the Church on earth. That's like, to me, that's just

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an obvious proof. Okay, you know what I'm talking about

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in Revelation.

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Speaker 2: I know that you've not good at recalling immediately. I've

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Speaker 3: It, right, So if you read five through nine, Chapter

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is five through nine, you will see that when John

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looks into heaven, and we believe that John is celebrating

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the liturgy, and he has this vision of the heavenly liturgy,

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and he sees in heaven, he sees this worship service

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going on with the lamb slain. So, by the way,

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he's slain in heaven. And so there's this liturgical service happening,

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and there's vestiments, there's incense, there's an alter, there's martyrs.

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the Church with us.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I get the idea in principle, and then.

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Speaker 3: I would add too, that's not a New Testament like peculiarity.

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the angels and even engages in asking for their help,

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asking for them to do stuff right in the context

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of liturgical singing.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Yes, And I pulled up Isabelle A de Luca's

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Speaker 3: Well that one, Yeah, let's see. There's also this one

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is a debate with JP on this topic. I thought

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that one of the clips channels uploaded that.

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Speaker 3: We debate the topic there. I mean that Protestant guy Okay.

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that I struggle to keep it open hand with. But

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the thing that I'm struggling with Mary at this point,

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is like in the liturgies when it's like Mary save

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us or save those have been called upon to govern

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are are godly, you will save those around you. It

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doesn't mean that Timothy is saving people and Jesus Isn't

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it means that Jesus is using Timothy to save people. Okay.

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say that, it sounds like saying like Mary save us.

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if you act godly, you will save those around you.

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Speaker 3: Paul's not saying that Timothy saves people without Jesus. Okay.

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prays for us and intercedes for us. I feel like saying,

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you know, my grandmother prayed for me and I was saved.

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saying that your grandmother's prayers saved you. I mean, that's

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that's all. It's just called middle It's in theology, is

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asking about. So this was like a year or two ago.

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Is Isabella de Luca said, why do orthodox venerate? Mary?

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forty minute video replying to her criticisms and questions, like

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anyone want to debate sweet candy or that topic? If

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you would do your do the emojis, and let's talk

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about that information and that that topic, because that, to me,

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that's fun to debate other things. We everybody just calls

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are any emotes or hands raised, okay, what's up man,

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what's your what's your perspective?

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Speaker 5: Hey, not here to debate canvas, So you can skip

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Speaker 3: Well, you raise your hand, So I thought, why'd you

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raise your hand? If that's what, go ahead. I'm okay, you're.

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Speaker 4: Like kind of researching orthodoxy, Maybe.

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Speaker 3: Go ahead, you're cutting out, man, we can't even hear you.

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Speaker 4: Hello?

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Speaker 1: Hey, oh hey, how's it going? Hey? So, uh, this

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is on the topic of Candace and Tucker.

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Speaker 6: Uh.

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Speaker 7: So, I remember a couple months ago Candace posted something

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about the you know, the CIA ties to the evangelical

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leaders and all that kind of stuff.

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Speaker 1: Uh. And I actually remember Cliff.

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and he actually brought up the fact that he, uh

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he lived with Billy Graham uh for a while.

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Speaker 4: And so I was wondering if you knew anything about that.

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don't guess it's really surprising. I guess they all run

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the same circles. But what how does that relate to

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Speaker 1: Know, he lived with billion and all that. But I

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Speaker 1: Know, give that insight.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I did do We've done for many years

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a podcast noting the connection between CAIA and evangelicals. I've

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Calvary Chapel, or whether it's the megachurches, or whether it's

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a you know, missionaries, church spies. I've literally got podcasts

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eight years ago. We're actually talking about evangelical end times nonsense,

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and we get into social engineering, and we get into

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the CAA and all that. Right here. Look at this.

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I was talking about this in twenty eighteen and one

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of the first podcasts I mean live streams that I

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ever did. This is like second or third streamer here.

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Look at that. I was talking about CIA evangelical stuff

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here February twenty eighteen. Okay, I've been studying these topics

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for way longer than Candice. I know this stuff way

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better than her. So if you want to come and

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debate me on these topics, please do. And if you

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want to talk about assassinations, I would expect that you've

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Speaker 8: Since you've brought up end times, I don't know if

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you've heard this take this.

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Speaker 1: Is currently your new tam for me. I don't believe this.

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Speaker 4: But he gave me a bunch of notes to give you.

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Speaker 8: And he says that to give me fathers.

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Speaker 3: To give to me. Okay, go ahead, he says. The

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church fathers.

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Speaker 8: What he says, the church fathers up hold this view.

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Speaker 1: Have you heard of this?

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Speaker 3: The church fathers hold this view? Yes?

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Speaker 8: About he says, six thousand years six day plan.

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Speaker 3: I mean there were referred there was a couple of

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early church fathers that speculate on the day age theory

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of like a thousand years and it's part of the

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six days. That's not like some Normani view.

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Speaker 8: All right, he gave me stuff like a pistol of Barnabas.

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related to her politics, but what do you think about

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her claims about my Crohn's husband slash wife.

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it doesn't matter. It's just an odd topic to like

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Speaker 3: Like what I oh, you mean if she is a dude?

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kind of like laughing about it, like look what we

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don't it's not all wrong or bad. Like the when

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she did the whole expos on BB that was good.

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dual names, he has like an intelligence background, and that's

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all very sot. But I mean that's not really surprising.

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really surprising. So like that was some interesting information, but

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just obviously stupid and discrediting Cole what's up? It's weird too.

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It was making me mad that so many of these

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bots do, these stupid bots or whatever they are, like

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for me saying that Alex is right and the Mitch

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of bots you work for nan Yahoo, You're this, You're that,

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you're washed up, you're done, you're cooked, And I'm like

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none of the reply, like the replies already even even

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accurately my positions, right, like you worship the Zionists. You

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are a Zionis shills. Like, what are you talking about?

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Speaker 1: Cole?

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Speaker 3: What's up? Cole? On you? Hey, Jake.

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Speaker 10: The Mormon bigfoot guy.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, that was one of the best insights that

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proves Mormonism to be true, is that they believe in Bigfoot.

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Speaker 4: Oh absolutely, man.

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Speaker 3: And that's I'm being serious, Like I know, actually people

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Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, it's Kine.

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Speaker 3: I agree.

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Speaker 1: It's so crazy.

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Speaker 4: I grew up with that.

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like it was taught in our like high school like seminaries.

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Speaker 3: We reminded me of that, Yeah, because they'll try to

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handwave that be like, oh, that's not really a thing.

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legit in several prophets books, it's taught by like every

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like it's crazy. So this was more just more of

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a curiosity. Are you aware of the new James Bond

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video game coming out?

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Speaker 3: I am absolutely planned to play it, and we're gonna

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do we do game insurance guys, we're gonna do the

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New Resident Evil because that's my favorite games. We're gonna do.

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I just got Cyberpunk and played the first part of it,

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the tutorials so you don't have to watch me, the

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boring part where I'd figure out the buttons and the tutorials.

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do the Double O seven. Was it First Light or.

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Speaker 4: Something like that, Yeah, something like that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, dude. It's gonna be a fun, smart thing.

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Speaker 4: Dude. It looks so good that it's gonna be like the.

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Speaker 11: First one that's not like character based, Like it's not

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a Pierce Brasan, right, it's like his own thing. But

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the other thing, too, is the guys who made it

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as Io.

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Speaker 4: Did you ever end up playing hit Man?

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Speaker 3: You know what? I did? I have hit Man? I

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played uh three. I'm gonna be honest with it, man,

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Like it was complex. I spent about six hours trying

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to do the tutorials and trying to work through that

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first that first level, that first level, and I just

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honestly I just got I was like, I can't put

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this much time into this freaking hit Man game. But

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it was it was fun. I could see it being

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like something that you know, you can put a lot

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Speaker 4: Oh for sure. It Yeah, it's kind of one.

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Speaker 10: It's funny because it's different puzzles and stuff.

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Speaker 11: But the main thing, though I thought you'd be interested,

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is actually the story, which I find it very interesting

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that i Owe now has the trademark to then have

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the James Bond game, because like the whole hit Man

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thing is, you know, and all like the backstory that

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you get from playing like one of the levels I

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think you'd love. I think it's hit Man two two,

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but it's all the same story. But there's one where

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they go to a place called Islo Scale and it's

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like a eyes white shut Freemason masked like a party

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on this like Scottie Castle thing, and there's all these

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layers to it to where there's like the there's two

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main people that you're trying to kill are like taking

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Speaker 4: Guy that you can killed earlier, that are part of.

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Speaker 11: This whole secret cabal and you're hearing throughout while you're

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like in the different characters like trying to sneak in

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and stuff. There's one guy who they're trying to blackmail

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who like runs a coal mine and oil and they're

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like trying to blackmail them and force them to like

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the Green New Deal kind.

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Speaker 5: Of a time.

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Speaker 3: Oh wow, interesting, they're just cool.

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Speaker 10: There's just cool layers.

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Speaker 4: I think you'd like it.

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Speaker 3: And that's hit Man too.

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Speaker 10: I think it's hit Man too. I have Hitman one, two,

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and three and I love the game.

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Speaker 4: It's one of my favorites.

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Speaker 10: But yeah, it's I think it's one of the levels

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of hit Man too.

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Speaker 4: I believe I'm all.

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Speaker 3: Paused somebody in the chat, Well, I'm sure no by

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the way people are saying, are you're not going to

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do anymore red Devredention? No, we will. It's just that

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I think it's going to be fun to kind of

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switch it up. And also, I don't think many of

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y'all are going to stay around for me playing five

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hundred hours of Red Depredemption to beat it or whatever,

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so it'll be fun to I got to switch it up.

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But let's watch this trailer here, and uh, because I

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saw some my my bipop peoples is running in my

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sex now, which is which is what I want.

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Speaker 12: His parents cut their own rope to save him. He

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watched them full then found his way off that mountain.

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He was eleven years old.

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Speaker 6: He then started a grand tour of every major boarding

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school I'm talking about.

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Speaker 3: But now we got my people running British intelligence. Things

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about the change, y'all in Britain.

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Speaker 12: Always at the top of his class.

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Speaker 6: Always at odds with authority. Same thing in the Navy.

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Speaker 12: His superiors all praise his instincts.

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Speaker 6: And they're all in need of early retirement. Nobody knows

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what to do with him.

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Speaker 12: Mom No, and I suspect he feels the same way.

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Speaker 3: Do y'all like this new era of me doing games?

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We've entered a new aon and I know a lot

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of y'all had a good time with read that redemption

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because y'all gave me about seven hundred dollars in super chats. Yea,

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I must have had fun. So we will do more

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gaming streams. I guarantee you.

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Speaker 12: What he did in Iceland.

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Speaker 6: What he did in Iceland was in subordination. It was

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ill disciplined, utterly reckless. He only survived thanks to blind luck.

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Give me one good reason to put him in the program, Mam.

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Speaker 3: I think that British voice doesn't fit that black dude.

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Speaker 12: You just covered them all greenway. It's really quite simple.

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Bond is a bullet without a target. Let's give him one.

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Speaker 3: Okay, all right, he's with me. I got a sassy

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black queen. I'm already liking it. What are we gonna say?

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Speaker 10: Yeah, Well, if you're ever interested in a messing with it,

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I'm not no expert in Hitman, but if you ever

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wanted like a little bit of.

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Speaker 4: Walk through, I can help you out with it a

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little bit.

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Speaker 3: But all I appreciate.

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Speaker 11: The other thing too, is if you don't want to

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go down the game like playing the all through one

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hit on one through three, probably just find some cut

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scenes and kind of just get the basic story of

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it all.

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Speaker 3: Somebody should should, because I'm sure there is a clip

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on YouTube, by the way, that's me and Candace right there.

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Candace is my British Intelligence operative handler in the new

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James Bond game.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, she's she's your spook.

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Speaker 3: What can you think of what the name of that

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level would be? And I could just pull it up

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on YouTube.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, it's Ile of Scale, so I s l E

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and then it's s K g A I l.

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Speaker 3: S say that again?

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Speaker 1: S K what s K I A I g L.

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Speaker 10: I think it just hitman isle of scale or something

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like that.

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Speaker 4: It'll come up.

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Speaker 13: Do ten minutes of filler to Sofia just go ahead

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and make a way to go in here.

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Speaker 3: And bust up the butt pirates and the Illuminati rituals here.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, dude, it's it's it's weird, man.

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Speaker 11: They got like there's like a huge like burning effigy

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that she like pretends to sacrifice herself in, but you

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can kill her in there as well. So she's got

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like a trap door and you like to kill the

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you like kill the gas pistons that release the door,

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so she just ends up burning in there when she's

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not really supposed to, okay. And then there's like there's

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a spot where you're kind of like you actually get

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to kind of go through the questioning and stuff to

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be like become part.

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Speaker 10: Of the secret Society as well, and so they kind

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of have options through that, and you like can tell

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the truth or light through the light detector tests and

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get like electrocuted and.

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Speaker 3: Stuff and all these.

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Speaker 4: Weird rituals and all that crap.

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Speaker 11: And there's like this top secret one where you're wearing

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these weird like skull face masks where all these guys

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are like the top elite people in this secret society.

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Speaker 3: Yeah that's what That's what I'm seeing on the screen

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right now.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, and so you're seeing all these different levels through

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it and stuff. Okay, yes, it's it's pretty cool. It's

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the layering on. It's cool the story without throughout all

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of it, Like the guys you're at their funeral and stuff.

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Speaker 4: You're the one that killed him like a few levels back.

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Speaker 10: Original critic like Russian sort of Nazi.

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Speaker 3: Character, appreciate it, man, all those Russian Nazis. Inevitable China?

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What's up? Man? Yeah? This looks fun. We have illuminate

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and firm, illuminate and firm.

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Speaker 14: What up?

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Speaker 3: Inevitable China? What's up?

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Speaker 7: Hi?

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Speaker 3: Hey?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I just had a question. So do you believe

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a literal flood of the entire planet occurred as depicted

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in the Bible? And if so, why? Uh?

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Speaker 3: Have you read the ancient Chinese accounts of it?

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Speaker 15: No?

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Speaker 3: I have not.

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Speaker 1: What do they when do they depict these floods of

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having happened?

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Speaker 3: Well, they don't give a date, but like ancient Chinese

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mythology talks about it, a many, So does the numa

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Alish these kinds of ancient documents talk about it. So

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I accept it because it's in the scriptures. It's divinely revealed.

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Speaker 1: In the beginning of the shed dynasty, there there were

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tales of the Yangshi River flooding, and there were foundational

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you know, members of the First Dynasty that we're tasked

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with redirecting the flow of the navigation of the rivers.

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But of course, in the biblical depiction, you know, what

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we understand is that the entire planet flooded and everybody

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that didn't join no in their arc, we're not able

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to survive. So I wanted to ask if you believe

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in that specific story.

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Speaker 3: I do. I believe that I believe the story of Noah.

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Speaker 1: Yes, so in that basis right that, I guess. So

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you're saying that you believe this because this occurred, this

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was written in the scriptures.

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Speaker 3: What I was saying, hold on, But what I was

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I'm just trying to remember what I was thinking of.

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What I'm thinking of is called the Chinese Guny myth.

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Have you heard that? Yeah, it says it lasted for

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two generations, So it doesn't say anything about like it

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just being a couple of rivers.

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Speaker 1: Well, that's a separate myth too, as I wouldn't necessarily

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say that that's all one in the same. But as

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far as the Guian myth, right, I still wouldn't corroborate

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with the typical flood story. So I guess why why

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would it not? Well because everybody that was not a

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Noah's art would have died, right, so the people who

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witnessed the myth, for example, would not be able to

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live to tell the tale.

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Speaker 3: No, if the flood happened, then the people in China

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are the descendants of Noah's Noah's children, so that's how

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Speaker 1: But is that is that what is stated to be

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the case? And then Gunyan myth is that what they

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Speaker 3: Are no the myth. This myth also differs from you know,

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the Sumerian Akkadian flood stories as well. So the argument

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it's that there is a primal primordial myth that's in

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all of these traditions about a global flood.

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Speaker 1: Wouldn't this be because floods just happen in regions like

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region in which the biblical flood is alleged to have

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Speaker 3: Right, I mean you're right that, Yeah, you're right that

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it depends on the worldview as to whether or not

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it's a global flood or not. So yeah, there are

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floods everywhere, so there could be. But so that's when

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it comes back down to what, like what we accept

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as our final authority? So what what do you accept

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as your final epistemic authority?

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Speaker 1: Well, my I'm trying to brought my head around the

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belief in the flood as far as like why even

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say a Christian would believe in it, just because of

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the complete lack of evidence.

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Speaker 6: You know.

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Speaker 3: But again you're saying the lack of evidence and I'm

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giving you epic of Gilgamesh gun you all of these

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different global flood myths of the ancient world would count

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as forms of evidence. But you're saying, no, they don't,

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because why well.

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Speaker 1: These are stories of floods, and these are widely acknowledged

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as myths even within their own contemporary coste. Okay, so

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you are saying that the floods in the Bible.

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Speaker 3: So right, So now you're saying that we can't accept

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what is now mythology because the argument wasn't that it

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is true because it's a myth. The argument is that

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this counts as a form of data because all of

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these different cultures have a similar root story. That was

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the argument that that's it. And I'm saying that's a

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corroborating piece of evidence. But you're saying it doesn't prove

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the flood because you have a commitment to what reason

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and evidence is that what you're saying.

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Speaker 1: So I'm saying that there's, uh, these are data points,

491
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but these aren't necessarily data points that would contribute to

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the validating a flood story of the Bible. Right, worldwide

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flood is not the same as a regional flood.

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Speaker 3: Well, these don't all say that. They don't you're just

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saying the regional. They don't actually say that they're specifically

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all regional. You're saying, no, they're just regional.

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Speaker 1: Well, well, yes, most of these flood stories are based

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off of regional floods. Right, So these, even even the

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goon new myth is referring specifically to a flooding.

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Speaker 3: You're saying that, but like, where does it specifically say, oh, no,

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this is only a myth for our region.

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Speaker 1: Well again, right, this is referring to you the great

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the goon youw myth is literally about the foundations of

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China and and what was done in order to tame

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the waters that sparks the gun New flood myth in

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the first place. So it doesn't it the you know,

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the fact that it doesn't say, hey, the entire planet flood.

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It is probably fair enough to say that, hey, this

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is a a regional.

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Speaker 3: And national Okay, Well, then that's an argument from silence,

511
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and so that doesn't prove or disprove anything. So you're

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just saying that, yeah, well but if it's an argument

513
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from silence, it proves my view. So that's inconclusive. So

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what's at work here is rival commitments to ultimate authorities.

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And so let's say the flood is false and the

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Bible is incorrect, what's the correct view?

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Speaker 1: The problem is, I guess the problem is is the

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faulty logic and being able to use data points and

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assert that these are tangible reasonable data points, right, I

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think there has to be a level of reason and

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you know, appropriation towards the overall pieceis that you're trying

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to correct.

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Speaker 3: And so what Okay, So in your worldview, then, since

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you're relying on reasoning ultimately, what is reason in your

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worldview and logic?

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Speaker 1: It is my point, right, So for.

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Speaker 3: Example, what is what is reason and logic? Since it's

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your final commitment.

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Speaker 1: I think scale appropriate, scale matter.

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Speaker 3: What is reason and logic? Okay, you're not going to

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answer the question. So for you, your commitment ultimately is

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to the principles as I asked earlier, of reasoning and logic. Okay, fine,

533
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the Bible's false, We're going to be committed to reasoning

534
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and logic. So what is your account of the principle

535
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of logic and reasoning itself?

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Speaker 1: Well, I can give you that answer through a direct example.

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So if I leave the bathroom sync on and I've

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flowed my entire bathroom, that is not a rational data

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point towards the flooding of the end.

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Speaker 3: So you're not answering my question. I'm not asking you

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any more about the question of the flood. I'm conceding

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to you. Let's say the flood's false. Let's say the

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Bible's wrong. So now you're saying that our ultimate epistemic

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commitment is to reasoning and logic. So I want from

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you an account in your worldview of reasoning and logic.

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What is it?

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Speaker 1: Well, I think the scientific process.

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Speaker 3: What is reason and logic?

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Speaker 1: I'm well, I'm saying that if you want to account for, say,

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like a worldview, if you want to account for a worldview,

551
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the scientific method is a pretty reasonable.

552
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Speaker 3: Does the scientific method rely on reason and logic?

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Speaker 1: It relies on observation and repeated?

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Speaker 3: Okay, so what is reason and logic?

555
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Speaker 1: For the fourth time, Well, I don't think that's necessarily

556
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a fair question to ask, right, I think.

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Speaker 3: So that's your ultimate epistemic commitment, is reasoning and logic.

558
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And I ask you what is that? Where is that?

559
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And you say it's not a fair question.

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Speaker 1: I said the scientific method.

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Speaker 3: And I said does the scientific method rely on reasoning

562
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and logic? And you said yes, So that's a circle.

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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, the scientific method is a form of reasoning.

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Speaker 3: Right, So what is reasoning and logic? Because you just

565
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did a circle?

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Speaker 1: So evidence, right, it's based in evidence and observation, so

567
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it's about forming.

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Speaker 3: So where in observation is logic?

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Speaker 1: Well, logic is especially like from the frame rate that

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we're talking fort like in our conversation. We have to

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assess logic by its modality.

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Speaker 3: That doesn't mode is a way a thing exists. So

573
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now you're going into ontology, what is your account of

574
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ontology as an atheist?

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Speaker 1: I just think that you're trying.

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Speaker 3: What is ontology? Now that you're in you're in the

577
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domain of metaphysics, so you're you're moving them. No, I'm not.

578
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This is you you want me to just saying a

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modality tells me nothing because that's an empty statement. That's

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a metaphysical claim that tells me nothing.

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Speaker 1: Well, there's again, right, you.

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Speaker 3: Know what modality is, what mode is in philosophy, It's

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a metaphysical term.

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Speaker 1: Is not just it's not specific only what is it?

585
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It's a metaphysics right, It's it's a way that something exists.

586
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It's a way that something is.

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Speaker 3: Thank you. That's a metaphysical claim.

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Speaker 1: Right, Okay, And then when what is the scientific method?

589
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Is the scientific method not able to be applied under

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that framework?

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Speaker 3: You said the scientific method relies on logic and reasoning,

592
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And I'm asking you, in your worldview, what are those things?

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What's your account for those things?

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Speaker 1: But I just said it's based on evidence, based on evidence.

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It's based on a hypothesis and then using evidence.

596
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Speaker 3: Right, so using the justification of it. So using the

597
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thing is the epistemic justification of a thing?

598
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Speaker 1: No, that's that's a part of it. You're pigeonholing that specific.

599
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Speaker 3: Okay, So what's the method?

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Speaker 1: Is the framework that would happen?

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Speaker 3: Is the scientific method universally applicable?

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Speaker 15: You know?

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Speaker 1: I think it's universally. I think it's not fair to say,

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but I think the wide as far as like the

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vast majority of you know, ideas in life, I think

606
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you can apply.

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Speaker 3: Does the scientific method tell you what logic is? Do

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you find logic through the scientific method?

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Speaker 1: Well, again, I I don't think necessarily that's I think

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logic actually works within the scientific method.

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Speaker 3: I don't care. But what is it?

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Speaker 1: Logic is obviously how you form a conclusion.

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Speaker 3: That's not what logic is. Logic is not forming a conclusion.

614
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Logic is a principle. Is it universal or is it particular? Well,

615
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it can be both, right, it is universal.

616
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Speaker 1: No, I'm saying it can be both.

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Speaker 3: If it can be both, then it is also universal

618
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because that's part of the both. Right.

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Speaker 1: Well, the thing is that depends on the context that

620
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you're applying it to.

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Speaker 3: Is it at all universal? Is logic ever universally applicable?

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Speaker 1: I'll give you an example. There is logic even within

623
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you know, like if you have a theological disquisition, there

624
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are logical approaches that people take even.

625
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Speaker 3: To the Is logic itself universally applicable?

626
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Speaker 1: Well, it's only if you have enough information for it, right.

627
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I think, for example, the absence of logic exists as well.

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And that's why I am.

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Speaker 3: Not that's a nonsense statement. The absence of logic exists.

630
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It's just jibberish. As you can see, when we actually

631
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drill into the presuppositions of the Reddit atheist, it all

632
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just turns into gibberish, no coherency whatsoever. King David, what's up?

633
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That's a black man that thinks he's for China. Like

634
00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:22,599
people just come up with the weirdest shit. What's up? Man,

635
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King David? What's up?

636
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Speaker 1: I'm mute, hey Jay, this is David.

637
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Speaker 16: I've been recently looking into Orthodoxy and Catholicism. I am

638
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currently Pentecostal, believe it or not, and I'm Romanian, and

639
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within this year I've been looking into all this stuff

640
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and I had two questions.

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Speaker 1: Okay, first question is with the Orthodox Church.

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Speaker 16: I've been I've never been to an Orthodox church, and

643
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I've looked at services online, to the turgical services, and

644
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it just seems I mean, obviously I don't understand it completely,

645
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but it just seems like it kind.

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Speaker 1: Of goes against.

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Speaker 16: Say, the Testament Church, because that's not true, but the

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way I see the evangelicals evangelized to people, it just

649
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seems like the evangel Evangelicals.

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Speaker 3: Look, I'm just gonna say, watch the video Orthodox Christian

651
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worship in the Old Testament. I'm not gonna have to

652
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I can't rehearsal that tonight, but I appreciate your call. Squirrel.

653
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What's up, Squirrel? I'm you. My sleep is all jacked up,

654
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so I thought it might as well just do a

655
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late in ice stream anyway, what's up? Man?

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Speaker 17: I was just gonna say, I don't know much about Candice,

657
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but you were talking earlier about some of the churches

658
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and some of the mess up shit and stuff, and

659
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I was just wondering if you had read Jesus Freaks

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by Donline.

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Speaker 3: Mm hmm. What's that about?

662
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Speaker 1: It's about the family?

663
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Speaker 3: What is that?

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Speaker 1: It's a huge cult.

665
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Speaker 3: Oh, the Family cult. Yeah, I know about that, okay,

666
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and uh what about it?

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Speaker 17: No, I was just wondering if you had read that

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book because it's okay.

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Speaker 1: It's good information.

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Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, no, that sounds cool. I'll check that out.

671
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Are you just uh a student of random cults or

672
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what made you pick that one out?

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Speaker 1: Do you seem to fit with what you were saying?

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Speaker 3: Okay, appreciate that. Uh, we actually should do a podcast

675
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and that because we haven't really covered Yeah, what's up, man?

676
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I see you, I see you, I see you baby

677
00:35:47,039 --> 00:35:50,320
shaking that booty? What's up man? I'm mute?

678
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Speaker 4: Hello hello hey, uh yeah, I was wanting to know.

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Speaker 15: Have you ever.

680
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Speaker 18: Heard of the book or read the book Coffee with

681
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Hitler by Charles Swisser.

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Speaker 4: Well, this book is real interesting.

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Speaker 18: It gets into the spy angle and you know you

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went through that long.

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Speaker 4: Talk about the old boys, the American elite.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, we got a new part too. We're

687
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only like two hundred pages into it.

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Speaker 18: So well, this this book, Coffee with Hitler, came out

689
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three years ago and it talks about the German Fellowship

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and uh talks about Philip Conwell Evans.

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Speaker 1: Is he in that is he in that Old Boys book?

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Speaker 3: Uh, I'll have to look. I don't know off the

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top of my head. And there's so many I'm only

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I'm only six chapters in, so there's a lot to go.

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Speaker 6: Well.

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Speaker 18: The thing that's interesting about this Coffee with Hitler book

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is that this guy named Charles Spicer uncovered a lot

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of these documents from that German Fellowship group, and you

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know they they fed information to the British talk talking

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about the sudan Land invasion, the Onslash invasion before it happened,

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all of the stuff that confirms everything that Sutton and

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and your.

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Speaker 3: Boy who's the author of that. I'll get it, Charles

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Spicer Coffee with Hitler? I got it all right, Thanks man,

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appreciate you.

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Speaker 1: Welcome.

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Speaker 3: I'll get that book I got on my list right here.

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A polar bear. What's up, dude? Hey?

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Speaker 19: Hey, random question, But if Jews are not a different

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race and just a different religion, how do you explain

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the Nurremberg laws, which uh, you know, objectively persecuted.

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Speaker 1: Them for their race.

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Speaker 3: Uh, you're asking me how to explain it? I don't.

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I don't have some position on that.

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Speaker 19: Explain Jews are if Jews are not a different race,

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how were millions of them persecuted under the Nuremberg Laws.

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Speaker 3: I think it's a race and a religion, so it

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can be flexible for different conclusions at different times.

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Speaker 19: So according to millions of Europeans at that time, they're

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in fact.

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Speaker 1: A different race.

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Speaker 3: Okay, what's the point?

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Speaker 19: So it would it be accurate to say when many

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Orthodox saints and fathers say the Jews are an evil race?

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Speaker 4: Is that accurate?

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Speaker 3: It's an evil race spiritually speaking, because many Jews convert

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and become Christians, so it's not inherently a racial problem.

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Speaker 19: Well spiritually, but yes, but the Jews themselves admit this,

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and racially the majority of Jews practice the religion, so

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it's a different race.

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Speaker 3: But it's also not a race because they have people

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who are not fully genetically Jewish, so it's a flexible

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thing that they can adapt to different situations.

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Speaker 19: Sure, but according to the Nuremberg laws, they are in

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fact objectively.

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Speaker 1: A different race.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I mean, is that some sort of epistemic authority

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for me? I don't like, I don't understand what your

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point is there?

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Speaker 19: Objectively a different race and a church fathers say they

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are a.

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Speaker 3: Race, but the Church Fathers also speak of them not

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specifically only as a race, because it's also religion. It

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can be flexible. As I've said for the third time,

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what are you trying to prove.

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Speaker 1: I'm just saying that Jews are a different.

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Speaker 3: Race, and okay, so if a if a bunch of

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like so there's a bunch of people like in Hollywood

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that converted to Judaism right over the last twenty years

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thirty years.

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Speaker 19: True, but I'm not talking about it from the perspective

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of religion.

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Speaker 3: I'm just saying they're a different race, but it's also

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a religion, so it can be flexible.

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Speaker 19: But they weren't persecuted based on their religion. They were

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persecuted based.

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Speaker 3: No, that's not true. That's not true. What are you

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talking about.

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Speaker 19: I'm saying, for example, in the third right, Jews were

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persecuted one hundred percent based on their race, not their religion.

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Speaker 1: And this was also true in antiquity.

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Speaker 3: No it's not. I mean when the Church fathers speak

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of why they're to be avoided or whatever, it is

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not specifically for some genetic thing, because they didn't even

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have like a specific genetic understanding in the ancient world.

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Speaker 19: That's interesting that so many church Fathers specifically say race.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but do you think the Church fathers had a

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post Darwinian understanding of race. They just used the term.

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They just used the term as a people group.

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Speaker 19: I think they had a naturalistic view on it.

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Speaker 3: The Church Fathers had a naturalistic view. How was that?

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Speaker 19: I'm saying when they look at this other race of

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people called Jews, morphology is different, their entire different.

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Speaker 3: And that is just nonsense, just wasting time. What's up, man?

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Speaker 1: You?

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Speaker 2: How's it going?

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Speaker 4: Man?

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Speaker 3: Good? What's up?

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Speaker 5: I just had a movie suggestion for you and a

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video game suggestion.

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Speaker 3: So I have read Saint John Christis, I'm on the Jews.

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I read Martin Luther on the Jews. I read John Christis,

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I'm on the Jews twenty five years ago. What's up?

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Speaker 15: Oh?

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Speaker 1: Sorry? I get to think there's a delay or something,

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but I'm.

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Speaker 3: Not a delay. I'm just I'm responding to you on

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the chat. Go ahead, I got you.

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Speaker 1: I have a movie and a video game suggestion.

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Speaker 3: Okay, real clear.

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Speaker 1: I just watched the movie today, Pogonia with Emma Stone.

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It's on Peacock.

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Speaker 3: I've already done a video on it.

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Speaker 20: Oh okay, well I missed that one, and then video

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game wise, uh disco Elysium.

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Speaker 1: It's like a detective art.

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Speaker 3: We appreciate that, hush and not being marudam just moving on. Yeah,

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we covered that last night. We have people recommending it

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or two nights ago. I mean, these these people are silly. Man.

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Do thinks that they had a Darwinian understanding of race

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that the church Father said Darwinian understanding of race? No,

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they don't tease biological determinism. Due, what's up? I'm mute, Bill, Bill,

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I'm mute, Bill, I'm mute. Okay, don't whatever, Dustin? What's up?

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Speaker 1: Hey, Jay?

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Speaker 9: Recently some of the clip channels were posting about, you know, how.

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Speaker 4: You need to make a living in the world, and

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it kind.

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Speaker 9: Of is making you revisit a philosophical issue I'm having personally.

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I've built up like a thirteen year business of it

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as an art broker, and you know, I was creatle

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orthodox came back to the church really hard in the

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last like twoish years.

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Speaker 1: I'm reader starting to.

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Speaker 9: Go back to school soon, and I'm having a hard

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time like continuing being an art broker because that world

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is very not godly, let's say. And the dilemma I'm

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having is kind of It's been suggested to me that

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I should look to work with icon writers and sell icons,

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and I'm having a hard time with like profiteering off

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something that is godly as someone with like a theological

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and philosophical.

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Speaker 1: View that I really respect. Could you offer any kind

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of advice.

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Speaker 3: I mean, those kinds of practical questions are things that

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you would take to your spiritual father or to your priest.

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But I mean, okay, I don't see why there would

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be unless you're being miserly and rapacious with your monetary approach.

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There's nothing wrong with making a living related to godly things.

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Paul says, there's nothing wrong with that, so but I mean,

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if you're not magnanimous with your profits or your gifts,

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that would be the problem. But ultimately, that's a more

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of a practical question that you should take up with

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your spiritual father because I don't know what the art

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broker world is. I don't know what that is or

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what that's like. So but it's a good question. I

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would say this though, that what I could say is

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and I meant, I'm glad you said that that was

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actually a perfect question to come up because it reminded

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me of as I survey the landscape of internet idiocy

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and alternative media and now alternati media being the media now,

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and the idiocy of that, I'm realizing that young men

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when they look to these idiots like Clavicular and all

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these morons, and he's literally like Derek Zulander, right, like

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people are looking to Derek Zulander for life wisdom, and

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men have not been young men have not been catechized

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into being young men. And did you know that the

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wisdom texts are actually catechisis to help you be a

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young man. And I don't just mean proverbs. Obviously, Proverbs

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is something that every young man should be very familiar with.

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In fact, I make it a point to constantly go

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through the Proverbs, whether on audio or whatever. But also

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forgotten and overlooked is the books of Wisdom. And six

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years ago we did an entire lecture series through Syc

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all of Syric. Okay, and young men should be familiar

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with they should go through that text because there's immense

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wisdom in the Books of Syric or in the Book

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of sirrip So I would recommend everybody to go through

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these lectures, especially if you're a young dude. Listen to

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them in your headphones or whatever. Because nobody is getting wisdom,

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nobody has a discernment. People are becoming absolute mega retards.

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And Internet and AI and chat GPT that's contributing to this,

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and no young men are being catechized, and so they

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fall for just total scammer con men. They follow the taps,

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they follow these glooms as their role models. I just

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I'm kind of mystified, honestly, Travis, have you done analysis

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the movie Team America?

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Speaker 20: No?

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Speaker 3: I should do that. That's a good idea. Skippy two dollars.

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It's a very tone body. He looks good. He's singing

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my Mormon song. Shane Alex Soren was in the chat.

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He won tonight five one sixty six. You shouldn't look

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s Max Mormons. You beat their shit to it. Pablo

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five dollars, random question. What if a patriarch like Bartholmey

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praised with Muslims but he hasn't been excommunicated, doesn't mean

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he won't be? Or is that Victoria's five dollars? When

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you brought me up, it removed me. It said I

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couldn't connect. I don't know. Sometimes it just doesn't work.

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It wasn't me, it just said it just it kept spinning.

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Connect Sometimes the cell phone just like it doesn't work. Andrew,

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what's your longest debate? I think the Tim Gordon debate

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with Elijah Shaeffer, which was like four and a half hours,

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as long as debate Anti retardism twenty dollars, Elijah Austi

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forgot the site, Vatican three, Michael Jaron ten dollars, Bishop

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Jay is worth ten other bishops. That's what I'm talking about,

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because I'm the one true pimp Bishop. I'm the pope pimp.

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What's up, man Rudolph or Randolph Radloff, I'm mute Houdi.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, hey, sir, sorry about earlier at a bad connection, Okay,

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but I had some questions about like orthodoxy versus like

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the doctrine of the LDS Church.

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Speaker 4: I grew up Mormon.

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Speaker 5: I kind of left Christianity as a whole from fourteen

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years old at twenty four, and to be honest, watching

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your content was a big part of me coming back

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to Christ in general. And I chose to go back

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to the Mormon Church just because that's what my family is.

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Speaker 21: Bro.

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Speaker 3: You got to watch these videos where I debate the

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Mormons here.

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Speaker 5: But you know, there's some things that it's hard for

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me to understand theologically outside of Mormonism, just because that's

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what I was brought up in.

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Speaker 3: M HM and.

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Speaker 22: The Trinity.

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Speaker 5: I watched some of your videos on the Trinity, but

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it still confused me. But then I just kind of

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recently went through the entire Book of Mormon and it

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does seem to follow more of a Trinitarian view on

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on the Godhead.

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Speaker 3: Than the Book of Mormon teaches. The Book of Mormon

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teaches modalism and tri theism. It contradicts and teaches both things.

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But you should watch these these debates that I have

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with the Mormons here because all of the key to

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all the key topics about the problems with Mormonism come

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up in these debates. There's there's four clips here, but one.

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Speaker 5: Specifically I wanted to bring up is.

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Speaker 4: That I struggle to understand.

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Speaker 5: But again, this is something the Book of Mormon is

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self contradicts, but it was doctor treatment was revealed later

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in the church. Is that you know, the LDS Church

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does not believe in ex the hero that God the Father.

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Speaker 4: Did not create everything out of nothing, but he instead

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kind of arrange the matter.

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Speaker 1: He's our creator, I know.

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Speaker 3: Right, So they teach eternal prima materia, right, it's a

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Greek pagan doctrine, yep.

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Speaker 5: But the reason that that kind of makes sense to me,

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and maybe it's just because it's the way I was

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brought up, is because and I've heard other LDS apologies.

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Speaker 3: Just well you're cutting down apologizes. Watch the watch the videos.

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Uh we can't hear you, you cut out? Okay? Uh

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maur Kannie. Look, man, Jose Smith writes himself into g

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Justesis fifty to make himself a profit. And if that's

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not a kill shot, Come on, man, what's up, dude?

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I'm your.

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Speaker 4: Hey, how's it going on? Good?

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Speaker 3: What's on your mind?

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Speaker 15: Yeah?

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Speaker 13: Hey, I grew up Protestant, ah a pretty extreme branch

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of it, you know about stas I do. Yeah, I

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would say recently, I've actually and I think I'm gonna

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end up Orthodox and a large part of.

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Speaker 4: That is because of you.

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Speaker 3: So it's good to hear say thank you for that.

944
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What's on your mind?

945
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Speaker 15: Yeah?

946
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Speaker 13: I just wanted to ask, because look, I I kind

947
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of understand all of the philosophical arguments for Orthodoxy, but

948
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I still have like a lot of doubts, just like

949
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from like a, I don't know how to.

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Speaker 1: Praise it exactly.

951
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Speaker 13: I think intellectually I'm convinced all is correct, right m h,

952
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it's just like that.

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Speaker 1: Final like how do I feel about it?

954
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Speaker 13: Which I know is not stupid, But I just wondered

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if you, from example, you had like religious kind of

956
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experiences in your life at all, or is your belief

957
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mostly just based on.

958
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Speaker 1: Argumentation alone.

959
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Speaker 3: No, it's no, it's not based on argumentation. I mean

960
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I had serious illnesses that chastisements that came and prompted

961
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me to convert. I had uh, you know, heartwarming experiences

962
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at church and the liturgy that helped me convert. I

963
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mean that there's a whole panorama of things that helped

964
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me to convert. It wasn't just intellectual. But I think

965
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maybe sometimes people think that because I do a lot

966
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of debating or focus on that because that's that's my field,

967
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you know, that's the kind of the stuff I know

968
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well well.

969
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Speaker 23: But.

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Speaker 3: There are real spiritual experiences that happen. I mean, I've

971
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had demonic experiences, I think in my past bad ascid trip,

972
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seeing demonic manifestations type stuff. Not like me possessed, but

973
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like you know, experiencing and seeing stuff. But so yeah,

974
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this stuff's real. I just don't typically make it a

975
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subject matter of the debate or the discussion because from

976
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the standpoint of apologetics, those are not very strong claims, right,

977
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because every religion, every cult, every guru claims to have

978
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powers and to have had experiences, and they just don't

979
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hold much weight other than personal testimony. You know what

980
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I mean when it comes to debate. Skippy red face

981
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Lord mother mother, skip your red wake up, Lucretia, the

982
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Chitlin's are burning. Welcome to the chad Nerds, all your

983
00:54:12,039 --> 00:54:14,440
new members alter void five dollars. Someone has been watching

984
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Candace and got the time zones wrong. I was not

985
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watching Candace. Actually I was watching the debate. So another

986
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reason that the stream was delayed was, well, there's no

987
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point in doing the stream when everybody's over here watching

988
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Alex Soren Cook Elijah Yassi.

989
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Speaker 24: That basically Saint Photius is the pope. They said that

990
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Saint Photius is the supreme pastor and ecumenical patriarch of

991
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the saintly Photius, and that's I got that from de Vornik.

992
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So don't try to say I went to some Orthodox source.

993
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That is your own sources, Elijah, and these are your

994
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own scholars. So what you see actually in church history

995
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is the mono episcoacy of the Holy Orthodox Church.

996
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Speaker 3: You see a dec I wanted to finish Alex's rebuttal

997
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here because he said this was the kind of where

998
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the best part it was.

999
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Speaker 24: Federal of jurisdictions, each led by a bishop that are

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in communion with the other bishops. The Bible teaches the

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mono episcopacy in the pastoral epistles. Saints Timothy and Titus

1002
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have authority to ordain, to teach, to rebuke, to oversee

1003
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disciplinary hearings. It's effectually excommunications with no mention of Saint

1004
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Peter or his chair or his successors. Saint Peter taught

1005
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against the Judais.

1006
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Speaker 3: This is actually a good point because we forget the

1007
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biblical arguments for the decentralized episcopacy. Because everybody, I think

1008
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who knows a little bit of the history of this

1009
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church history etca comes to realize that the pope affirming

1010
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and confirming all the bishops. That's like eleventh twelfth century.

1011
00:55:36,719 --> 00:55:42,360
That's Gregreing reforms. That's way late, right. So then what's

1012
00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:47,679
the ecclesial model in the New Testament. Well, it's decentralized.

1013
00:55:47,719 --> 00:56:04,480
As Alex is pointing out here, Cole, what's up? I'm mute? Hello, Hey,

1014
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you hear me? Yeah?

1015
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Speaker 1: What's up?

1016
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Speaker 3: Kay? First, and then Cole, what's up?

1017
00:56:12,719 --> 00:56:16,559
Speaker 23: I was going to ask a question about Anglican theology,

1018
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but I figure you're probably gonna point me in a

1019
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video that I can very.

1020
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Speaker 4: Much google myself, So.

1021
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Speaker 23: Switching the question to a political one. I was thinking about, like,

1022
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why don't we as Christians like organize more movements or

1023
00:56:34,360 --> 00:56:38,719
at least in my area to kind of combat liberalism

1024
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or like the political state that the country is in.

1025
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And so I was just wondering if you had want

1026
00:56:44,239 --> 00:56:45,880
to know, if you had any advice on where to

1027
00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:49,239
draw the line as far as how far we as

1028
00:56:49,320 --> 00:56:55,239
Christians should get into politics or political movements, and if

1029
00:56:55,239 --> 00:56:58,800
that's something really worth putting your time into, or if

1030
00:56:58,800 --> 00:57:00,679
we should just you know, kind of don't worry about

1031
00:57:00,679 --> 00:57:01,880
it and just focused on Christ.

1032
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Speaker 3: And I appreciate that. I mean, it really depends on

1033
00:57:05,159 --> 00:57:08,760
what your gifts and your calling is right, So you

1034
00:57:08,840 --> 00:57:11,639
might be a person called to be involved in politics

1035
00:57:11,679 --> 00:57:16,320
and political life. And you know when the Church fathers,

1036
00:57:16,360 --> 00:57:19,719
you know we're talking to the emperors, they didn't say, oh,

1037
00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:21,960
you got to quit being an emperor and you've got

1038
00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:26,519
to become a monastic. Because if he's an emperor and

1039
00:57:26,559 --> 00:57:30,679
he's you know, providentially put there, I mean he could

1040
00:57:31,199 --> 00:57:34,880
perhaps retire and become a monastic or whatever. But people

1041
00:57:34,920 --> 00:57:38,920
have different callings and different vocations in life. So yeah,

1042
00:57:38,960 --> 00:57:40,880
if you're called to that, that's your passion, you can

1043
00:57:40,920 --> 00:57:43,480
be involved in that. It's just that with anything, we

1044
00:57:43,599 --> 00:57:48,199
got to struggle to not let the thing that's our

1045
00:57:48,239 --> 00:57:50,920
passion become an idol. Right, Like a lot of people

1046
00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:54,159
into politics, like politics is their religion, as their God

1047
00:57:54,280 --> 00:57:58,639
is their idol. Right. So that's that's the real principle here, Cole,

1048
00:57:58,679 --> 00:57:59,119
what's up?

1049
00:58:01,119 --> 00:58:01,360
Speaker 15: Hey?

1050
00:58:02,039 --> 00:58:05,360
Speaker 25: So I picked up some of the books that you've

1051
00:58:06,719 --> 00:58:09,480
you've referenced before, from at least some of the authors

1052
00:58:09,480 --> 00:58:13,199
that you've referenced, like Kissinger and Brazinski. I have a

1053
00:58:13,239 --> 00:58:18,280
world order, the choice and power and principle. I was wondering,

1054
00:58:18,880 --> 00:58:21,519
I'm kind of just starting to get into the New

1055
00:58:21,519 --> 00:58:24,639
World Order and Global ELITEX. So I was wondering which

1056
00:58:24,639 --> 00:58:26,840
out of those three do you think would be the

1057
00:58:26,840 --> 00:58:27,679
best to start with?

1058
00:58:28,320 --> 00:58:31,320
Speaker 3: Kissinger's books really boring. I didn't finish it. What's the

1059
00:58:31,360 --> 00:58:34,119
other one, the choice.

1060
00:58:33,800 --> 00:58:37,519
Speaker 25: By Brazinski Global domination or global Global Leadership?

1061
00:58:37,840 --> 00:58:40,079
Speaker 3: I don't have that one. I have all the other ones.

1062
00:58:40,079 --> 00:58:43,880
I have between two ages strategic vision, grand chess board.

1063
00:58:44,639 --> 00:58:50,719
So I would say I would start principle. No, I

1064
00:58:50,719 --> 00:58:54,519
don't have that. Sorry, okay, I would say between two

1065
00:58:54,519 --> 00:58:59,480
ages is a good one to start with. Rasensky all right, thanks,

1066
00:58:59,519 --> 00:59:01,400
I appreciate it. Yeah, I'm sorry. I don't have the

1067
00:59:01,440 --> 00:59:04,599
ones you were talking about. Does and what's up?

1068
00:59:08,880 --> 00:59:09,480
Speaker 1: Hello? Jay?

1069
00:59:09,519 --> 00:59:10,199
Speaker 3: Hey, what's up?

1070
00:59:11,400 --> 00:59:11,800
Speaker 26: What's up?

1071
00:59:12,679 --> 00:59:12,880
Speaker 23: Oh?

1072
00:59:13,000 --> 00:59:16,639
Speaker 15: By the way, about that that Chinese dude earlier, A

1073
00:59:16,679 --> 00:59:18,559
really good way I think you can go about that

1074
00:59:18,800 --> 00:59:22,199
is rather than going simping for like logic as like

1075
00:59:22,239 --> 00:59:27,559
a metaphysical principle, it's qualitative versus quantitative, right, I mean,

1076
00:59:28,400 --> 00:59:30,000
there's many ways you can go at this. I mean it's

1077
00:59:30,039 --> 00:59:33,920
basic semiotics, right. So there's actually not some kind of

1078
00:59:33,960 --> 00:59:37,920
real existing thing in the words the words only infer.

1079
00:59:37,679 --> 00:59:40,039
Speaker 4: A signified, which is the idea in your mind.

1080
00:59:40,199 --> 00:59:42,840
Speaker 15: There's actually no logical conclusion between a word and the

1081
00:59:42,920 --> 00:59:44,519
idea presented in your mind.

1082
00:59:44,400 --> 00:59:45,840
Speaker 3: When you see the word, right, that's true.

1083
00:59:46,599 --> 00:59:54,719
Speaker 15: And so ultimately all qualitative or sorry, quantitative isolated instances

1084
00:59:54,800 --> 00:59:58,679
or units of intelligibility all go back to and necessitate

1085
00:59:58,719 --> 01:00:02,840
this transcendental sinem the sists of experiential you know what

1086
01:00:03,000 --> 01:00:05,960
Kant calls it a perception, right, that is the unification

1087
01:00:06,039 --> 01:00:10,000
of all these transcendental properties that bring about a present

1088
01:00:10,239 --> 01:00:11,679
or a future or a past.

1089
01:00:11,760 --> 01:00:11,920
Speaker 3: Right.

1090
01:00:12,400 --> 01:00:14,639
Speaker 15: And so when you get to this point, you realize,

1091
01:00:14,679 --> 01:00:17,840
at this point you cannot use the quantitative on the

1092
01:00:17,920 --> 01:00:20,480
qualitative because that's just that self refute itself.

1093
01:00:20,519 --> 01:00:23,920
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, I mean I think you always come with

1094
01:00:23,960 --> 01:00:26,159
this really high tier stuff. And the problem is that

1095
01:00:26,639 --> 01:00:29,679
when you're talking to these Reddit people, the challenge, it's

1096
01:00:29,719 --> 01:00:31,639
a challenge to get them to understand the things you're

1097
01:00:31,679 --> 01:00:33,920
talking about. So if you talk about a transcendental unity

1098
01:00:33,920 --> 01:00:35,840
of opp perception from cont they don't know where they're

1099
01:00:35,880 --> 01:00:36,920
They're like, what.

1100
01:00:37,559 --> 01:00:41,039
Speaker 15: Oh, yeah, no, absolutely, but like, uh, you know, things

1101
01:00:41,119 --> 01:00:43,719
like for a simple instance, is like we could talk

1102
01:00:43,760 --> 01:00:46,440
about ideas, right short is only informed by what's tall

1103
01:00:46,920 --> 01:00:49,639
far from near these types of qualitative things. Well, when

1104
01:00:49,679 --> 01:00:51,440
you look at these qualitative things, you then have to

1105
01:00:51,679 --> 01:00:55,079
realize what are the underlying metaphysical commitments that constitute a

1106
01:00:55,119 --> 01:00:56,239
transcendental you.

1107
01:00:56,199 --> 01:00:58,440
Speaker 4: Know existence right or trecidental perception?

1108
01:00:59,039 --> 01:01:02,159
Speaker 15: And then you realize under every reductionist claim, he is

1109
01:01:02,199 --> 01:01:05,639
a list of metaphysical commitments that they yes to not Yeah, so.

1110
01:01:05,639 --> 01:01:07,679
Speaker 3: Well that's kind of where the discussion with that guy

1111
01:01:07,760 --> 01:01:09,880
was starting to go, and then he didn't want to

1112
01:01:10,039 --> 01:01:10,840
He didn't want to go.

1113
01:01:10,800 --> 01:01:14,880
Speaker 15: There, but I mean literally Hume, like the last attempt

1114
01:01:14,960 --> 01:01:17,360
at even grounding logic was with David Hume, who it's

1115
01:01:17,400 --> 01:01:20,440
the relationship between ideas and now, well, when you get

1116
01:01:20,480 --> 01:01:23,840
to con, the relationship between ideas is a transcendental kind

1117
01:01:23,840 --> 01:01:26,320
of metaphysical commitment. Obviously Con doesn't go there because he

1118
01:01:26,320 --> 01:01:27,440
wants to say, oh, there's the.

1119
01:01:27,480 --> 01:01:28,400
Speaker 4: Newman is a noble.

1120
01:01:28,559 --> 01:01:31,280
Speaker 15: But that's what if you if you positive inner subjectivity

1121
01:01:31,320 --> 01:01:34,360
is actually existing, that does other subjects have my likeness right,

1122
01:01:34,519 --> 01:01:37,360
inner mind, minor thoughts, and that necessitates that there's some

1123
01:01:37,440 --> 01:01:41,000
kind of metaphysical consistency between you two that is generating

1124
01:01:41,039 --> 01:01:43,079
the intelligible world or life world.

1125
01:01:43,199 --> 01:01:44,400
Speaker 4: According to hues role.

1126
01:01:44,519 --> 01:01:44,639
Speaker 3: Right.

1127
01:01:45,400 --> 01:01:46,639
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's why I want to say on that.

1128
01:01:48,199 --> 01:01:49,519
Speaker 1: Also regarding the other.

1129
01:01:49,440 --> 01:01:51,079
Speaker 15: Guy, I was going to say that a good example

1130
01:01:51,119 --> 01:01:54,400
for Sayance it was Elijah and Elisha because I mean,

1131
01:01:54,440 --> 01:01:55,280
you can't make this up.

1132
01:01:55,960 --> 01:01:56,760
Speaker 4: Elijah.

1133
01:01:57,119 --> 01:02:00,920
Speaker 15: Remember how Elishah asked Elijah for his spirit for spirit, right,

1134
01:02:01,440 --> 01:02:03,280
and then after Lisa is taken up, he picks up

1135
01:02:03,280 --> 01:02:06,559
the mantle from Elijah which splits the waters, and then

1136
01:02:06,559 --> 01:02:08,199
the people come and say he has the spirit of

1137
01:02:08,239 --> 01:02:09,480
Elijah and then bow to him.

1138
01:02:09,599 --> 01:02:10,840
Speaker 4: They bow to Elijah.

1139
01:02:10,960 --> 01:02:15,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, there's a that's a great one. And there's uh,

1140
01:02:16,079 --> 01:02:20,840
Joseph bows before Pharaoh in the Masoretic text and Joshua

1141
01:02:20,920 --> 01:02:24,199
seven they all bow before the arc. So you're correct,

1142
01:02:24,199 --> 01:02:31,639
there's many bowings and reverences like that. And he's absolutely

1143
01:02:31,719 --> 01:02:33,679
right that when you know a lot of these, like

1144
01:02:34,079 --> 01:02:37,039
you know, contient stall arguments like that, you can decimate

1145
01:02:37,400 --> 01:02:39,960
these reddit your atheists. But the problem with the reditary

1146
01:02:39,960 --> 01:02:42,800
atheist people is that they don't they have no idea

1147
01:02:42,880 --> 01:02:46,599
what you're talking about ault void. Uh no, we did that,

1148
01:02:46,679 --> 01:02:53,039
Excuse me, So so remember when you're in I'm not

1149
01:02:53,079 --> 01:02:55,920
disagreeing with what Dazlein said. I'm just pointing out that

1150
01:02:55,920 --> 01:02:57,719
one of the one of the things that's the challenge

1151
01:02:57,719 --> 01:03:03,039
in a debate that is that you want to effectively

1152
01:03:04,079 --> 01:03:07,679
think about not just refuting what the guy said or

1153
01:03:07,760 --> 01:03:13,400
going into the minutia of metaphysics to really smash him.

1154
01:03:13,440 --> 01:03:17,400
You have to also think about what will be the

1155
01:03:17,440 --> 01:03:20,960
best reputation for the audience. That's why it's like a

1156
01:03:21,000 --> 01:03:25,320
double challenge when you're debating these people. And I'm saying

1157
01:03:25,360 --> 01:03:27,400
that because I could tell that's a young guy who's like,

1158
01:03:27,599 --> 01:03:30,199
you know, really hardcore philosophy got which is great. I

1159
01:03:30,239 --> 01:03:33,639
support that, But if you do a lot of public debates,

1160
01:03:33,679 --> 01:03:36,559
you'll notice that you really have to do the debate

1161
01:03:36,760 --> 01:03:39,519
not for yourself or for the opponent, but for the audience.

1162
01:03:40,239 --> 01:03:43,119
And if the debate is so high tier that the

1163
01:03:43,159 --> 01:03:48,079
audience is lost, it really doesn't do It doesn't affect

1164
01:03:48,159 --> 01:03:53,760
very much. So it's a super fine line to walk

1165
01:03:54,079 --> 01:03:57,760
to and I don't do it perfectly all the time.

1166
01:03:58,199 --> 01:03:59,840
That's the probably the hardest part of debate is doing

1167
01:03:59,880 --> 01:04:09,000
that up, is debating high tiered concepts and subjects in

1168
01:04:09,039 --> 01:04:11,519
a way that the messages conveyed to the audience. That's

1169
01:04:11,559 --> 01:04:20,800
the challenge. Rui sans five dollars. What's up? Thank you? Five? One,

1170
01:04:20,920 --> 01:04:22,559
six six says for five dollars, I'm going to the

1171
01:04:22,599 --> 01:04:26,360
gas station. Where should I buy a six pack of

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four locos? Dude iron giant ten dollars. Apparently Egyptians in

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the eighteenth dynasty mummified people. They soaked them in a

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vat of water for thirty to forty five days. This

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must have some fun symbolic connections in my opinion. Yeah,

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they were over there pickling dog they did they pickling wiggas.

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Egypt was back there pickling wiggas, getting them ready for

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the pickle Eatolf convention. Shane two dollars. No, we did that,

1179
01:05:05,119 --> 01:05:08,519
Andrews says, Yazzie's doing damage control on X. Oh. Well,

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I'm not surprised because it's already. It's already, it's already

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over here heresy in X eleven, So what is we?

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Only forty four minutes sentence over?

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Speaker 24: Guys, that's ordinary teaching, right. He taught against the judaizer

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heresy in Acts eleven. What happened four chapters later? You

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have a council on the exact, literally the exact same issue,

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and they sought consensus in revelation. We're taught that there

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are twelve foundation stones at the church, the twelve apostles

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of the Lamb.

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Speaker 3: So you can't stop at Matthew sixteen.

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Speaker 24: Sure, Peter was the first stone, the first foundation stone

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of the church, but every single apostle is a foundation

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stone of the Church, and every single apostle has the

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power of the keys. Based on Matthew eighteen and your

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own fourth Lattering Council, Saint Cyprian teaches that each bishop

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is a Peter. He applies Matthew sixteen to every single bishop,

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not just the Bishop of Rome, and he says from

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this principal ordination logically flows to each bishop, that the

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Church is founded on the bishops, and every movement of

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the Church is steered through the governance of those same

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presiding bishops. Plural, there is no bishop of bishop. Saint

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Cyprian says that the Seventh Council of Carthage, every bishop,

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according to the allowance of his liberty and power, has

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his own proper light of judgment, and can no more

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be judged by another than he himself can judge another.

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And at this point he was in a dispute with

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Pope Stephen and he disagreed with Pope Stephen. He just

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did whatever he wants anyway, and literally nobody cared.

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Speaker 3: Nobody cared.

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Speaker 24: Saint Ignatius taught tomno episcopacy. He said that if you're

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with the bishop, you're part of the church. He didn't

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say anything about the Bishop of Rome. Saint to Rome

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taught tomno episcopacy, and specifically he said that like, look there,

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it is not the case that there is one church

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at Rome and another in all the world. Gall in Britain, Africa, Persia,

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India and the East worship blon Christ and observe one

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rule of truth. If you ask for authority, the world

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outweighs its capital gee gully. That shows that an ecumenical

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council outweighs Rome.

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Speaker 3: That's what this, by the way, is why a necumenical

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council even solves the Avegne or the Great Western Schism. Right, So,

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even their own tradition and solving when there was three

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papal claimants proves that even then they had to rely

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on nectmdical council. Aubrey, what's up? I'm mute, Aubrey, I'm

1224
01:07:24,519 --> 01:07:30,119
mute now, Aubrey even wait for an hour and you're

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not gonna ummute okay whatever, man, lss, I'm mute.

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Speaker 1: Can you hear me?

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Speaker 3: Uh huh?

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Speaker 22: Hey man, A big fan of yours. Man, thank you

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for all the content you make. I don't have a

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question about what's said Candice or Sneaker or is. I'm

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gonna think all three of those things are our target.

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I was gonna ask if you have seen the new

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Avatar movie yet.

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Speaker 3: No, I've always sawt Avatar was dumb.

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Speaker 22: Yeah, this one is really dumb. There's a I'm not

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01:07:59,800 --> 01:08:03,400
even joking, it's crazy. There's and it's a Christ's story.

1237
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There's an immaculate conception of a little female girl who

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has this weird tie to a goddess of this planet.

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Speaker 4: It's just so strange.

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Speaker 1: So I just wanted to know I've seen this.

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Speaker 3: No, I don't. I mean, I just I think last

1242
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time I even thought about Avatar was when we did

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Hollywood Decoded and we did a TV show episode on it,

1244
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and I haven't even thought about it. James, what's up?

1245
01:08:34,680 --> 01:08:42,079
Who y'all talking about in the chat? James? What's up?

1246
01:08:42,119 --> 01:08:42,359
I'm you.

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Speaker 1: Hey?

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Speaker 14: Give me just one outside.

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01:08:49,920 --> 01:08:51,199
Speaker 10: I got a couple of questions for you.

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Speaker 27: So mostly around presuppositionism, because I know that's obviously your

1251
01:09:01,119 --> 01:09:03,600
approach to apologetics, but also it's in your background back

1252
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when you were Protestant. So my question primarily is is

1253
01:09:10,199 --> 01:09:14,560
the presuppositional approach to apologetics something that is has a

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long tradition in uh, your Orthodox church or is that

1255
01:09:20,079 --> 01:09:24,279
something that you kind of brought from you know, Bonson

1256
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and van Hill and adapted to Orthodoxy after the Pact.

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Speaker 3: Well, transcendental arguments have a long lifespan outside of Bonson

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and van Hill. So they go back to you know,

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the ancient world and can you mute when I'm talking

1260
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because there's an echo? Bro So you know that goes

1261
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back to Aristotle using rhetoration, It goes back to John

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01:09:50,000 --> 01:09:54,279
Damascus and Fount of Knowledge. The very first chapter he

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does a kind of a transcendent argument, but as an

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argument for God is Ventilian. But yeah, so there's the answer.

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Speaker 14: Okay, fair enough, Okay, I guess the two issues that

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I have with kind of the Vantilian approach, which is

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what I've studied most. I'm not very familiar with you

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with the Orthodox kind of side of that, But is

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the circularity, which I know you've addressed but I don't

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feel like you've addressed it adequately. And then the other

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is sort of the dogmatic nature of Antillian apologetics, where

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it feels like he basically feels that it's the only

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God honoring way to do apologetics, or at least that's

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how it is usually proposed.

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Speaker 1: Are you on board with both of those.

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Speaker 14: Aspects of presubsitional apologetics?

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Speaker 3: Uh? No, I don't. I don't think the transfi argument

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is necessarily tied to reformed anthropology or steriology.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I'm not sure that was my question.

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Speaker 3: But okay, why why was that not an answer to

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your question? Restayed the first part? Yeah?

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Speaker 14: Yeah, so, so, I guess one of my issues with

1283
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prest apologetics is the uh, the circular, the fallaciously circular

1284
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uh way in which it goes about things. And I

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know you've sort of addressed the circularity issue.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so this is an epistemic question? Then about uh

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self evidence?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: So what what? So we're supposed to believe in classical foundationalism?

1290
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Speaker 1: No, so, I guess.

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Speaker 14: To me, it seems that circularity only had only is

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an issue in a purely syllogistic sense, right, So, if

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you have a syllogism that goes in circles, that's an issue.

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But as soon as you incorporate experience in the outside world,

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then you actually are breaking out of that syllogism, and

1296
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then a circle is licid.

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Speaker 1: It's not going to be fallaciously an issue now.

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Speaker 3: So it's just a question of like it's a question

1299
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of final authorities though, right, Like so in epistemology, like

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what's the final authority?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I think that is ultimate city question.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So how are worldviews and paradigms not, in some

1303
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sense ultimately self referencing when it comes to the final authorities?

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Speaker 1: They may be.

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01:12:32,279 --> 01:12:34,960
Speaker 14: Self referencing, but not in a purely so logistic way.

1306
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Speaker 3: Okay, But when I say circular, I'm referring to self referencing.

1307
01:12:39,359 --> 01:12:42,000
I'm not referring to the fallacy of circular argmentation.

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Speaker 1: Okay, fair enough. So do you believe in epistemic certitude?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? I think we can have I mean, to whatever

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01:12:57,880 --> 01:13:00,239
degree the highest degree of human certitude is, I don't

1311
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think it's possible. Yes, we can have that.

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Speaker 14: Okay, it seems like a pretty important qualifier though, So

1313
01:13:07,399 --> 01:13:08,279
I guess can you.

1314
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Speaker 3: Just ask your quote? Just s put it out, dude,

1315
01:13:09,720 --> 01:13:11,760
to say your criticism. Quit beating around the bulls.

1316
01:13:13,399 --> 01:13:15,760
Speaker 14: Yeah, well it's it's it's manyfold.

1317
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Speaker 3: Okay, make one critique.

1318
01:13:18,520 --> 01:13:26,359
Speaker 14: Okay. So it does seem like, at how do you

1319
01:13:26,560 --> 01:13:32,079
justify certainty at any level apart from faith, Because my

1320
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view is that we can be we can have true

1321
01:13:34,359 --> 01:13:36,880
knowledge in things in the sense that we can have.

1322
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Speaker 1: We can know things on the basis of.

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01:13:40,680 --> 01:13:43,720
Speaker 14: Certain faith based presuppositions, but we have to admit that

1324
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those presubpositions are ultimately based on faith. They're not you know,

1325
01:13:48,399 --> 01:13:51,840
it's not some foundationalism where they just are true.

1326
01:13:51,880 --> 01:13:53,920
Speaker 1: They're just in the sense of proof facts.

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Speaker 14: But they are faith based pre subpositions now, but being

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01:13:58,680 --> 01:14:03,680
faith based, they also must allow for some element of doubt,

1329
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otherwise they wouldn't really be faith based.

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Speaker 3: And so to me, well, that's that's that's that's right there,

1331
01:14:10,520 --> 01:14:13,119
that's a fideistic definition of faith. Why am I supposed

1332
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to accept that?

1333
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Speaker 1: I'm not sure that it's fistic?

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Speaker 3: Why does it? Why does faith? Why does it have

1335
01:14:19,640 --> 01:14:20,680
to have an element of doubt?

1336
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Speaker 4: Where do you get that from?

1337
01:14:24,880 --> 01:14:29,000
Speaker 1: So? How how would you just find faith?

1338
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Speaker 3: Why are you asking me a question? I just asked

1339
01:14:30,680 --> 01:14:32,600
you a question. You're going to answer with a question.

1340
01:14:33,920 --> 01:14:35,079
Speaker 1: Fair enough, so.

1341
01:14:37,760 --> 01:14:40,760
Speaker 14: The I think I'm not referring to blind faith. I'm

1342
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not just saying faith on the basis of note.

1343
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Speaker 3: Okay, how do you know that faith requires and has

1344
01:14:45,479 --> 01:14:47,880
some element of doubt? You just assert that, How do

1345
01:14:47,920 --> 01:14:49,039
we know that? Where are you getting that?

1346
01:14:49,760 --> 01:14:49,960
Speaker 14: Yeah?

1347
01:14:49,960 --> 01:14:51,760
Speaker 1: I mean that that seems to be the definition of faith.

1348
01:14:51,800 --> 01:14:54,199
Speaker 3: How would you define where? Where do where do you

1349
01:14:54,199 --> 01:14:58,399
get the definition of that from?

1350
01:14:58,520 --> 01:15:00,920
Speaker 14: Well, at some point definitions are are foundational?

1351
01:15:01,000 --> 01:15:07,520
Speaker 3: Whose definition? Where does that come from? All right, I

1352
01:15:07,880 --> 01:15:10,359
don't have the patience. This is my patience is going

1353
01:15:10,439 --> 01:15:12,680
to like explode, and so it's my I might as

1354
01:15:12,720 --> 01:15:15,000
well just move on, Brandon. What's up?

1355
01:15:22,119 --> 01:15:22,479
Speaker 15: I love?

1356
01:15:22,960 --> 01:15:23,399
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1357
01:15:24,439 --> 01:15:27,079
Speaker 4: Oh oh, I actually didn't think i'd get on here.

1358
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Speaker 26: I got it more of a question than an argument

1359
01:15:29,960 --> 01:15:32,000
for you, if you'd be willing to hear me out.

1360
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Speaker 3: Sure.

1361
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Speaker 26: So I started trying to get into Orthodoxy about a

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year back, and.

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Speaker 1: I had a lot of people that went to Greek.

1364
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Speaker 26: Orthodox Church, so I decided to go there, and so

1365
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I've been going. I've been going to the catechumen classes,

1366
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and when the Pope and the Patriarch of the Greek

1367
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Orthodox Church met.

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Speaker 1: It kind of made me very uncomfortable. Yeah, asked, was

1369
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a Christmas Eve service?

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Speaker 26: They did a little bit of like a mini speech,

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thanking the Accumunist movement.

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Speaker 1: For the work they'd been doing.

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Speaker 26: And so I tried to find an alternative Orthodox church

1374
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and the only one I found was one Russian one,

1375
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and I worked with a Russian girl and I asked

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her what she was doing or if she had been

1377
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going to church. She said she did when she first

1378
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moved here. But the priest she had invited her to

1379
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her home and he had a putin picture on his wall,

1380
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and so that kind of made me uncomfortable with going

1381
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in there. And I live in the middle of nowhere

1382
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and all churches are hours away.

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean, if somebody has a picture on the wall,

1384
01:16:44,520 --> 01:16:50,880
why would that? This sounds like a troll? A putin

1385
01:16:50,960 --> 01:16:55,199
picture on the wall made you uncomfortable? Come on, dude, Cory,

1386
01:16:55,239 --> 01:17:01,840
what's up? Andrew? Two dollars? What do you think of

1387
01:17:01,960 --> 01:17:06,239
to do? Wa Ja Sizua day and Aigan? I didn't

1388
01:17:07,119 --> 01:17:09,560
did they debate? I don't even know. I don't have

1389
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any thoughts on it. Andrew, if you can hardly handle

1390
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four to five hours debating Howell Alice Jones handled Ben

1391
01:17:16,640 --> 01:17:23,039
Shapiro for ten hours. Ben Sapiro's never under that Suko

1392
01:17:23,199 --> 01:17:26,840
five dollars, didn't you know? Jay? The Nuremberg documentation is

1393
01:17:26,880 --> 01:17:31,319
authoritative and binding. Exactly. That was from that question like

1394
01:17:31,319 --> 01:17:34,520
an hour ago. Christopher Scott twenty dollars. I wanted to

1395
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thank you, Jim, Bob Andrew FDA. You helped me become

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worthodox kind of kimmin for a couple of months now. Oh,

1397
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thank you, Christopher. Glad to hear that. Corey, what's up man?

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Speaker 4: Could you hear me?

1399
01:17:46,520 --> 01:17:46,760
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1400
01:17:47,680 --> 01:17:48,039
Speaker 1: Amen?

1401
01:17:48,399 --> 01:17:50,119
Speaker 20: Hey, I just want to thank you too. I got

1402
01:17:50,119 --> 01:17:52,880
baptized on eighteenth, But I got a couple of things

1403
01:17:52,880 --> 01:17:53,039
for you.

1404
01:17:56,600 --> 01:17:56,800
Speaker 23: Yeah.

1405
01:17:57,199 --> 01:17:58,840
Speaker 20: I was wondering if you saw the trailer for the

1406
01:18:00,920 --> 01:18:02,880
Those is the Black movie?

1407
01:18:03,199 --> 01:18:05,039
Speaker 3: Uh? I saw they were doing that. I haven't seen

1408
01:18:05,079 --> 01:18:05,720
the trailer yet.

1409
01:18:06,439 --> 01:18:10,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely check out the trailer. Father Father Turbo's in there. Yeah, yeah,

1410
01:18:10,920 --> 01:18:11,680
he's pretty awesome.

1411
01:18:12,479 --> 01:18:15,439
Speaker 20: Second thing I got too is I follow a page

1412
01:18:15,479 --> 01:18:18,800
on Instagram called uh Orthodoks growing in in the bout

1413
01:18:18,840 --> 01:18:21,800
Six days ago he posted like a couple of screen

1414
01:18:21,880 --> 01:18:25,680
grabs of thin fantas being a cat boy and having

1415
01:18:25,680 --> 01:18:30,000
a thing with destiny like some pretty uh skittle stuff.

1416
01:18:30,000 --> 01:18:31,239
So I don't know if you saw that at all.

1417
01:18:32,359 --> 01:18:36,199
Speaker 3: I mean that's been going around the internet for for years.

1418
01:18:36,520 --> 01:18:38,560
That's like six, six or seven years old.

1419
01:18:39,239 --> 01:18:40,039
Speaker 20: Yeah, I just saw this.

1420
01:18:40,159 --> 01:18:41,279
Speaker 13: I'm like, what, all right?

1421
01:18:41,600 --> 01:18:41,920
Speaker 3: All right?

1422
01:18:41,920 --> 01:18:42,800
Speaker 1: Thanks many, appreciate you.

1423
01:18:42,840 --> 01:18:43,039
Speaker 10: Brother.

1424
01:18:44,199 --> 01:18:45,199
Speaker 3: Let's see.

1425
01:18:46,359 --> 01:18:50,199
Speaker 17: He who lives by the sort, she has die by

1426
01:18:50,279 --> 01:18:50,680
the sort.

1427
01:18:54,079 --> 01:18:58,640
Speaker 3: Have a sense. We did a fifty pay for this movie.

1428
01:18:58,680 --> 01:19:01,560
That's crazy. It always wanted to meet out justice. You

1429
01:19:01,560 --> 01:19:02,640
can find me in the club.

1430
01:19:04,119 --> 01:19:05,760
Speaker 1: How do you want to meet out justice while be out.

1431
01:19:05,640 --> 01:19:06,319
Speaker 3: Here doing what we do?

1432
01:19:06,600 --> 01:19:09,520
Speaker 6: Well, you're free now, Oh world is yours?

1433
01:19:09,720 --> 01:19:10,159
Speaker 1: What stup?

1434
01:19:10,560 --> 01:19:11,880
Speaker 3: The world is mine?

1435
01:19:12,319 --> 01:19:13,000
Speaker 1: I'm getting out.

1436
01:19:14,960 --> 01:19:16,000
Speaker 3: My feet is my feet.

1437
01:19:16,479 --> 01:19:17,359
Speaker 1: It's my fault.

1438
01:19:17,439 --> 01:19:19,560
Speaker 3: Son, I failed you. You ain't feel me.

1439
01:19:19,800 --> 01:19:20,880
Speaker 1: I've got nothing to do with you.

1440
01:19:21,439 --> 01:19:27,479
Speaker 3: Is that Mickey Pfeiffer? No, who is that? Cuabo?

1441
01:19:29,600 --> 01:19:32,880
Speaker 9: A raighteous man would integrat down it's hated and persecuted.

1442
01:19:33,039 --> 01:19:34,520
Speaker 1: But a criminal would integrity.

1443
01:19:35,359 --> 01:19:39,600
Speaker 3: Some pockalyps criminal would integrat. That's that's this movie about me.

1444
01:19:43,279 --> 01:19:45,079
By the way, I might be in a movie soon too.

1445
01:19:45,159 --> 01:19:50,399
Speaker 28: By the way, I can't let Father Turbo get more

1446
01:19:50,840 --> 01:19:51,840
movie crad than me.

1447
01:19:51,960 --> 01:19:54,479
Speaker 3: Right now. You know what I'm saying. So this looks

1448
01:19:54,479 --> 01:19:59,399
pretty good. I heard that it's about a guy converting,

1449
01:19:59,520 --> 01:20:04,079
not about for most of the black, but I'm assuming

1450
01:20:04,119 --> 01:20:07,039
it relates to the Orthodox right.

1451
01:20:12,880 --> 01:20:14,319
Speaker 13: He's with them.

1452
01:20:16,439 --> 01:20:22,920
Speaker 3: All my apps not make you fine? Yeah, I thought that. Yeah,

1453
01:20:25,960 --> 01:20:31,600
is he in the trailer? Go and sit. Oh he's

1454
01:20:31,640 --> 01:20:40,920
an Orthodox or it's cool and your sell we'll teach you. Evity,

1455
01:20:42,600 --> 01:20:45,560
I'm trying not to like a copyright. Dang, it's what

1456
01:20:45,680 --> 01:20:49,279
I'm skipping around. Where's he at in the trailer? I

1457
01:20:49,279 --> 01:20:52,359
didn't see him.

1458
01:20:52,479 --> 01:20:55,079
Speaker 20: You always see him literally for like one or two seconds.

1459
01:20:55,560 --> 01:20:58,560
So some some somewhere when they're when they're sitting inside

1460
01:20:58,920 --> 01:20:59,359
the church.

1461
01:20:59,800 --> 01:21:05,680
Speaker 3: Okay, let me see secret.

1462
01:21:05,920 --> 01:21:10,600
Speaker 1: Go and sit in your cell and yoursell will teach

1463
01:21:10,680 --> 01:21:11,399
you everything.

1464
01:21:14,960 --> 01:21:20,119
Speaker 3: Yeah, well it looks cool. Dude. Still I don't seeing him,

1465
01:21:20,119 --> 01:21:23,640
but yeah, I definitely want to see that. I appreciate that. Dude.

1466
01:21:24,159 --> 01:21:25,960
I'm glad you reminded me of that because I meant

1467
01:21:25,960 --> 01:21:27,319
to check that trailer out and I forgot.

1468
01:21:28,239 --> 01:21:28,359
Speaker 1: Uh.

1469
01:21:32,359 --> 01:21:36,560
Speaker 3: I will be the comic relief in a movie coming up.

1470
01:21:36,600 --> 01:21:41,479
By the way, I'm serious. I'm being one hundredercent serious.

1471
01:21:41,479 --> 01:21:43,199
I mean unless they cut me from it and I

1472
01:21:43,199 --> 01:21:47,279
don't get the part or whatever. Anything is possible but failure.

1473
01:21:47,319 --> 01:21:47,880
What's up? Man?

1474
01:21:50,880 --> 01:21:51,319
Speaker 1: Can you hear me?

1475
01:21:53,159 --> 01:21:53,319
Speaker 9: Hey?

1476
01:21:53,399 --> 01:21:53,479
Speaker 23: Ja?

1477
01:21:53,680 --> 01:21:54,479
Speaker 4: So quick question?

1478
01:21:56,520 --> 01:22:01,600
Speaker 29: Have you heard or seen anything from the Matt Walsh

1479
01:22:01,680 --> 01:22:04,880
look like Joel Webbon and what do you think about him?

1480
01:22:05,920 --> 01:22:09,520
Speaker 3: I know of him. I've not seen anything other than

1481
01:22:09,720 --> 01:22:12,520
when they did that podcast trying to refute orthodoxy by

1482
01:22:12,520 --> 01:22:14,960
complaining about it as a cultural fad. That's the only

1483
01:22:15,000 --> 01:22:15,520
thing I've seen.

1484
01:22:17,079 --> 01:22:19,000
Speaker 1: Oh, okay, No, I was just sorry.

1485
01:22:19,000 --> 01:22:19,760
Speaker 4: I was just wondering.

1486
01:22:20,199 --> 01:22:26,199
Speaker 29: Also, one other slight comment from an earlier color the

1487
01:22:26,239 --> 01:22:29,960
guy who was talking about the Jewish race and upsets

1488
01:22:30,000 --> 01:22:33,439
and over that does he not realize because he said.

1489
01:22:33,199 --> 01:22:35,600
Speaker 4: That he read the Church Fathers You didn't really?

1490
01:22:36,760 --> 01:22:39,720
Speaker 29: Yeah, No, It's like literally, Christian race is like thrown around.

1491
01:22:39,920 --> 01:22:41,640
Speaker 3: I know they said the Christian race, and I'm like

1492
01:22:41,680 --> 01:22:45,399
they're using it in that spiritual collective sense exactly, exactly.

1493
01:22:45,439 --> 01:22:56,960
Thank you, Dark Eye G twenty six twenty dollars don't

1494
01:22:56,960 --> 01:23:01,119
be cheap. Everybody support Jay's goal Orthobro for life. What's up?

1495
01:23:01,239 --> 01:23:01,720
Dark Eye?

1496
01:23:03,159 --> 01:23:07,439
Speaker 21: He So, I have a question kind of stemming more

1497
01:23:07,560 --> 01:23:12,960
from a tag and if I'm trying to go against

1498
01:23:12,960 --> 01:23:16,840
the prost and make the argument that God needs to

1499
01:23:16,960 --> 01:23:22,159
leave behind a normative authority otherwise logic cannot exist.

1500
01:23:23,119 --> 01:23:24,359
Speaker 1: How would I kind of make that?

1501
01:23:24,479 --> 01:23:27,079
Speaker 3: I don't. Yeah, I don't think those two things. Those

1502
01:23:27,079 --> 01:23:34,000
are two separate things, normative authority and tag and I

1503
01:23:34,119 --> 01:23:36,600
just I don't think those are the same things. So

1504
01:23:36,600 --> 01:23:39,960
I would I wouldn't go that route. Leon. What's up, dude.

1505
01:23:42,239 --> 01:23:44,479
I'm not trying to be rude. It's it's getting late

1506
01:23:44,600 --> 01:23:49,159
and I'll get a little a little a little tired.

1507
01:23:49,239 --> 01:23:50,840
What's up, man, Leon?

1508
01:23:52,119 --> 01:23:52,680
Speaker 1: I could hear me?

1509
01:23:52,800 --> 01:23:54,199
Speaker 3: Uh huh uh.

1510
01:23:54,279 --> 01:23:54,520
Speaker 7: Yeah.

1511
01:23:54,520 --> 01:23:55,399
Speaker 1: I just had a question.

1512
01:23:55,560 --> 01:23:59,960
Speaker 30: So I just finished watching the Alex arn debate for myself,

1513
01:24:00,560 --> 01:24:03,319
So I just had a question about like papal apologetics

1514
01:24:03,319 --> 01:24:04,079
for the papacy.

1515
01:24:04,640 --> 01:24:10,920
Speaker 1: So basically, like when Yasi was like arguing that Leo.

1516
01:24:10,920 --> 01:24:13,960
Speaker 30: At Calcadon he thought his tone was.

1517
01:24:13,960 --> 01:24:17,279
Speaker 20: Ex cathedra and he used that as like evidence for

1518
01:24:17,439 --> 01:24:22,119
his position. So I was just wondering, like, what doesn't matter.

1519
01:24:21,840 --> 01:24:24,800
Speaker 30: If he thought it was ex cathedra, if the council

1520
01:24:24,880 --> 01:24:28,920
itself looked over it and compared it to Cyril and

1521
01:24:29,000 --> 01:24:31,920
then accepted it instead of just binding to it, so like,

1522
01:24:31,920 --> 01:24:32,920
what's the point of that?

1523
01:24:33,479 --> 01:24:39,319
Speaker 3: I agree, And also, I mean UBI already challenged Ibarra

1524
01:24:39,520 --> 01:24:42,520
on that years ago, and a borrow backed off of it.

1525
01:24:42,880 --> 01:24:48,319
I think if you go to Ubi's blog and type

1526
01:24:48,319 --> 01:24:55,880
in leo tone, he went after a barrow up years

1527
01:24:55,880 --> 01:24:58,119
ago and then to borrow backed. So it's funny to

1528
01:24:58,159 --> 01:25:09,840
me that Elijah Yasti's like recycling like twenty seventeen arguments.

1529
01:25:10,079 --> 01:25:13,840
That's why I said he's so low tier dude. So

1530
01:25:14,079 --> 01:25:23,479
UBI dealt with this like six years ago, Alex said.

1531
01:25:23,520 --> 01:25:27,319
Leo said the council made the tone more authoritative. I

1532
01:25:27,359 --> 01:25:32,960
read that section in letter twenty. Yeah, that's good. But

1533
01:25:33,079 --> 01:25:36,880
also I'm pretty sure at Bora, I'm going into the lore.

1534
01:25:38,119 --> 01:25:41,159
I'm pretty sure it borrow backed off of that like

1535
01:25:43,720 --> 01:25:50,359
by twenty twenty two or so, but I might be misremembering.

1536
01:25:50,439 --> 01:25:52,000
That's I don't remember. Gab.

1537
01:25:52,079 --> 01:26:04,279
Speaker 31: What's up, dude, Geb, I mean GiB.

1538
01:26:06,079 --> 01:26:08,199
Speaker 3: GiB, I'm can you hear me?

1539
01:26:09,720 --> 01:26:09,920
Speaker 28: Yeah?

1540
01:26:09,960 --> 01:26:11,439
Speaker 1: I just sorry, I just really quickly.

1541
01:26:11,439 --> 01:26:12,920
Speaker 15: I just want to jump in because to sell you're alive,

1542
01:26:13,000 --> 01:26:15,359
and I want to let you know that some stuff

1543
01:26:15,399 --> 01:26:17,319
in Venezuela's happening looks like we're going to war.

1544
01:26:17,479 --> 01:26:18,680
Speaker 1: Where's they're bombing stuff?

1545
01:26:18,920 --> 01:26:20,800
Speaker 4: That's all I had to say. Sorry to interrupt, but

1546
01:26:20,960 --> 01:26:21,359
just thought.

1547
01:26:21,199 --> 01:26:23,680
Speaker 3: I you are you being You're joking or being serious?

1548
01:26:24,600 --> 01:26:25,399
Speaker 1: No, I'm being serious.

1549
01:26:25,439 --> 01:26:31,840
Speaker 3: There's going to war like in what sense? Like you Okay,

1550
01:26:34,039 --> 01:26:36,439
appreciate it. I'll check. I'll check that out. Thanks. Man.

1551
01:26:40,520 --> 01:26:43,960
I thought I thought today we were talking about Iran,

1552
01:26:44,960 --> 01:26:52,560
but it's now it's Venezuela. I mean, the US isn't

1553
01:26:52,560 --> 01:26:55,000
going to go to war with I'm not saying he's wrong.

1554
01:26:55,039 --> 01:26:57,159
I'm saying like that we're not gonna have a real

1555
01:26:57,199 --> 01:27:06,239
war with with Venezuela. Like, let's see, is this breaking news?

1556
01:27:10,359 --> 01:27:14,000
Candice Owens claims Charlie kirk assassination was a CIA SI out. Well,

1557
01:27:14,039 --> 01:27:16,039
but didn't you know that the guy called in earlier

1558
01:27:16,079 --> 01:27:19,039
and said no, they never she never said this, No

1559
01:27:19,119 --> 01:27:23,600
one ever, No one ever claimed this. I mean that

1560
01:27:23,640 --> 01:27:34,720
guy said that, no one claimed it. So what they've

1561
01:27:34,800 --> 01:27:39,920
consistently done in this whole debacle is say something, walk

1562
01:27:40,000 --> 01:27:43,920
it back, say they never claimed it, over and over

1563
01:27:44,000 --> 01:27:54,119
and over and over. I mean this is all like,

1564
01:27:59,399 --> 01:28:03,840
it's all as but we've not seen solid proof or

1565
01:28:03,960 --> 01:28:09,960
evidence and I'm a conspiracy theorist since nineteen ninety eight, y'all.

1566
01:28:10,079 --> 01:28:12,800
I don't have a problem saying that the CIA organizes

1567
01:28:12,960 --> 01:28:17,239
assassinations and could have organized this too, but you got

1568
01:28:17,359 --> 01:28:21,840
to have actual proof of it. You can't just assert it.

1569
01:28:22,279 --> 01:28:26,720
Even though I have no problem criticizing TPUSA saying that

1570
01:28:26,840 --> 01:28:30,079
it's all like evangelical scam nonsense, I absolutely believe that

1571
01:28:30,680 --> 01:28:34,880
I've been critiquing that stuff, Calvary Chapel's CAIA stuff for

1572
01:28:35,239 --> 01:28:40,279
a decade and more. But that's not the same thing

1573
01:28:40,439 --> 01:28:44,319
as showing and demonstrating it. That's the key point here

1574
01:28:44,479 --> 01:28:49,560
is that when you're new to this stuff, you suddenly

1575
01:28:49,640 --> 01:28:52,000
think everything is a conspiracy. And I'm speaking as a

1576
01:28:52,039 --> 01:28:54,880
person who woke up to conspiracies in nineteen ninety eight,

1577
01:28:55,039 --> 01:28:59,239
ninety nine, two thousand and There is a an arc

1578
01:28:59,439 --> 01:29:02,199
that you go through when you first start to question

1579
01:29:02,319 --> 01:29:06,399
and realize these things are sus, you then immediately think

1580
01:29:06,680 --> 01:29:08,800
everything is sus. I've been lied to in my life

1581
01:29:08,840 --> 01:29:11,960
about every single thing, so now everything is a giant

1582
01:29:12,680 --> 01:29:20,239
CIA masad a zionis conspiracy. It's not. Many things are

1583
01:29:20,560 --> 01:29:24,319
legitimate conspiracies, But the problem is that you have to

1584
01:29:24,720 --> 01:29:28,119
go into the nitty gritty and spend your time, just

1585
01:29:28,199 --> 01:29:32,119
like with the theological stuff. Right. You might sense and

1586
01:29:32,239 --> 01:29:35,560
feel that you understand the Bible perfectly, and you're a Protestant,

1587
01:29:35,600 --> 01:29:37,159
and you read it and it makes perfect sense to

1588
01:29:37,199 --> 01:29:39,520
you and you got it all figured out, but there's

1589
01:29:39,640 --> 01:29:43,079
giant gaps in your understanding. Trust me, I had all

1590
01:29:43,119 --> 01:29:47,399
these same mistakes and gaps when I started reading the

1591
01:29:47,439 --> 01:29:51,119
Bible at age eighteen. I didn't know anything about how

1592
01:29:51,239 --> 01:29:55,920
the Bible came together. The cannon. Okay, in my twenties,

1593
01:29:56,000 --> 01:29:58,840
I started to read a lot about that, and I realized, Man,

1594
01:29:58,840 --> 01:30:00,720
I didn't know anything about this. I thought I had

1595
01:30:00,760 --> 01:30:02,800
it figured out. I thought I knew it. Acts two

1596
01:30:02,880 --> 01:30:05,680
meant I thought that was Pentecostal charismatic stuff when I

1597
01:30:05,760 --> 01:30:12,119
was nineteen. I was wrong. So new to conspiracy stuff.

1598
01:30:12,960 --> 01:30:17,319
Candace is fresh to this stuff only in the last

1599
01:30:17,359 --> 01:30:25,039
few years. So the most charitable interpretation, she's newly conspiracy pilled,

1600
01:30:25,880 --> 01:30:32,680
and she's believe in everything without actual proof, logic and documentation,

1601
01:30:36,479 --> 01:30:41,920
and the fact that she's going against Zionism and criticizing

1602
01:30:41,960 --> 01:30:45,079
that and y'ah and all that. That's I agree with that,

1603
01:30:46,000 --> 01:30:49,800
but that doesn't mean that the claims and the assertions

1604
01:30:49,840 --> 01:30:58,319
and these ridiculous witnesses are anything but destroying her credibility,

1605
01:31:00,000 --> 01:31:03,600
as Alex accurately says and has consistently accurately said the

1606
01:31:03,640 --> 01:31:07,560
whole time, Mitch Snow is why people are upset. No

1607
01:31:07,680 --> 01:31:09,960
one I know, including myself, has ever bought the official

1608
01:31:10,039 --> 01:31:12,840
Kirk story. Yes we did livestreams questioning it right away.

1609
01:31:18,159 --> 01:31:23,720
And it's so insane to me that the whole discussion

1610
01:31:23,800 --> 01:31:30,720
has become you are covering up for TPUSA and Zionism

1611
01:31:30,800 --> 01:31:33,920
because you don't support Candace. That is so stupid. That

1612
01:31:34,079 --> 01:31:37,680
is literally the most low IQ fallacy crap ever. Dude,

1613
01:31:39,119 --> 01:31:44,840
I can criticize Candace and also be critical of Zionism

1614
01:31:45,760 --> 01:31:48,560
and nen Yahoo. It's not in either or this this

1615
01:31:48,760 --> 01:31:50,640
I can't believe people are this stupid, but they are.

1616
01:31:51,920 --> 01:31:53,640
And it's just like that guy that Alex had on

1617
01:31:57,199 --> 01:32:02,560
I think he replayed it today, this veteran guy. He

1618
01:32:02,640 --> 01:32:05,920
made the exact same points that I made and have

1619
01:32:06,079 --> 01:32:13,079
been making for two weeks, three weeks. This guy here,

1620
01:32:14,720 --> 01:32:18,199
this is a great interview here, Well, that's the guy

1621
01:32:18,319 --> 01:32:25,079
talking about Somali's I'm not familiar with this guy, I'm

1622
01:32:25,119 --> 01:32:28,079
not supporting everything. I'm just saying that. In his critique

1623
01:32:28,319 --> 01:32:32,119
the Screen Beret Guy, he points out how silly the

1624
01:32:32,239 --> 01:32:36,039
claims are about the way this assassination was plotted and

1625
01:32:36,119 --> 01:32:39,439
planned and all the mitch nows nonsense. It's just retarded, dude.

1626
01:32:41,000 --> 01:32:44,760
It doesn't even stand up to basic critical thinking. And

1627
01:32:45,399 --> 01:32:47,239
then people are like, the only reason that you would

1628
01:32:47,279 --> 01:32:49,840
cover this up and not support Candida is because you're

1629
01:32:49,840 --> 01:32:51,920
resigning this. That is the dumbest thing ever. That's like

1630
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George Bush saying, if you're not with Usher with the Terrish,

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either with Esherre with the Terrorish, uh No, that's a fallacy.

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I can be against both of you. Like, what are

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you talking about? That's the level of where we're at.

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That's why this is so insane and sad and pathetic, dude.

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That is that the discourse has become so stupid and

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people are so low tier. I wish you put up

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the interview with just with that, dude, because that was.

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Speaker 1: This is I think this is it actuality.

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Speaker 3: You don't see it doesn't mean it's.

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Speaker 1: Is this it?

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Speaker 13: This is it?

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Speaker 3: Yes, this one right here, Former Green Bray Gary Melton,

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if you listen to this interview, the way that he

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responded and critiqued what canvas or cannabis canvas was saying,

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01:33:52,000 --> 01:33:55,520
this was a really good response. I'll put the link

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right here.

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Speaker 1: In the chat.

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Speaker 3: It's a two hour podcast, but I recommend that one.

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01:34:10,800 --> 01:34:21,079
And anyway, we got a lot of super chats here.

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01:34:21,119 --> 01:34:26,680
Let's see Protestants shin bones ten dollars. Protestants who claim

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I believe in Christianity because of all the historical evidences,

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01:34:31,840 --> 01:34:34,439
because of the for the Bible, but they ignore the

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01:34:34,479 --> 01:34:37,439
rest of history of the Church. It's like, why would

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01:34:37,439 --> 01:34:39,359
I listen to any of the history. Yeah, if you're

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not going to care about church history, which was involved

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01:34:41,680 --> 01:34:49,279
in putting the Bible together, why would you listen to

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01:34:49,319 --> 01:34:54,720
any history. It doesn't make any sense. Rachel Wilson, She

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01:34:54,840 --> 01:34:57,720
says Candice fans with a cue quandas fans are news,

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01:34:57,880 --> 01:35:00,039
they've not seen these patterns play out, like A. A

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lot of us have trying to be patient with him,

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but it is difficult. Yea, it is, especially when all

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these bots are just like saying the most insane crazy stuff.

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Have you ever been to jail?

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Speaker 1: I have not.

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01:35:19,039 --> 01:35:22,960
Speaker 3: I got questioned about buying a beer one time, underaged

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by the police. And I freaked out and I was like,

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uh no, I mean I wasn't buying the beer. I

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had a friend that the one that passed away. His

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older brother bought the beer. And we got questioned by

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the cops one time and they asked me, has your

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friend hooked you up with beer through his older brother?

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And I said no, But I lied to the police

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when I was seventeen, So there you go. There's there's

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the big criminal operation that I was involved by getting

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my buddy's older brother to buyas beer. And then I

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freaked out because the cop I was And what happened

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was I was more scared of my dad because my

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dad heard that the cop was gonna ask me about

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getting the underage beer, and I was my dad said,

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if you if them cops bust you, he says, I'll

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beat your ass worse than the cops will ever do

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anything to you. I was more afraid of my dad

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than the cops. So I was like, now I don't

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know about no beers. There you go, you got me.

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I'm busted. Allied to the policeman in twenty two, or

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let's say that was nineteen ninety five, so that's that's

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my big criminal scandal. You heard it first right there.

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You can expose me now, Michigan Jack. The motto of

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twenty twenty six is check your spurg missed the fist

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ten dollars day your super chat go expires. Oh I

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didn't even realize the expire. I thought I said it

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to three hours. Maybe I didn't, Langinas, what's up thirty

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01:37:06,479 --> 01:37:10,159
four to twelve five dollars? Thank you? None of your

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business became a member? What's up? Do a video debunking

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01:37:15,239 --> 01:37:19,479
zeit guys, zeit guys, dude, that shit's who believes that

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crab dude? That's old. I think, by the way, didn't

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inspiring philosophy, like totally just demolish Zeiguist, a long time

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ago contemporary companion two dollars. The triple crown of the

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pote was replaced by his double chair that was earlier

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in the stream. Octavian Elijah Yassi is probably being yelled

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01:37:43,319 --> 01:37:45,239
at by his emam right now for losing the fate.

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01:37:46,239 --> 01:37:50,439
That was good Jay day jaire eight dollars. It's a

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01:37:50,520 --> 01:37:57,319
religion of loopholes, like that Thomas guy that you debated. Yeah,

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I think that is an accurate description of the papscy

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01:37:59,760 --> 01:38:02,199
Chase Taggart says, for five dollars, excuse me, shall say

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01:38:02,239 --> 01:38:05,840
Haguard to pronounce it in the proper way, the proper

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queer sexual way. My favorite part of the debate was

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Elijah saying I didn't even want the to win this debate.

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01:38:16,600 --> 01:38:20,279
He attempted to piety signal to everyone. I didn't get

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01:38:20,279 --> 01:38:23,279
to that part yet, but that sounds awesome. Who's your

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favorite Orthodox apologies.

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Speaker 28: Before fifteen hundred Photius? Same Photius hushed towns five dollars.

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01:38:39,199 --> 01:38:41,640
Speaker 3: When my wife was in labor, the priest instructed us

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01:38:42,000 --> 01:38:47,199
how to perform baptism on the sun in emergency. Interesting,

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01:38:47,680 --> 01:38:52,000
are you talking about Orthodox or Catholic? DJ twenty dollars?

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01:38:52,079 --> 01:38:54,720
Thank you for your work. A lot of content from

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01:38:54,760 --> 01:38:56,199
you in the Orthodox community.

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Speaker 1: That's great.

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01:38:57,560 --> 01:39:00,359
Speaker 3: I'm a former Pantecostal, I'm currently orthod. I was kind

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01:39:00,399 --> 01:39:02,920
of kum and it's great. A lot of spiritual warfare

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01:39:03,000 --> 01:39:07,239
surrounding my conversion. That's everybody, man, So don't get discouraged

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because it happens to everybody. Sincere hypocriphi dollars. Ironically, the

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01:39:11,680 --> 01:39:15,279
problem of asking Catholics how they know what Sex Cathedral

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01:39:15,319 --> 01:39:18,640
is similar to asking Protestants how they know what determines

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01:39:18,800 --> 01:39:22,800
scriptural canonicity. It's really just in their personal mind exactly.

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01:39:23,000 --> 01:39:27,359
So you notice Elijah Yassi is like all the Roman Catholics,

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a Protestant papist anti retardism. Twenty dollars. Elijia Yassi forgot

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to cite Vatican three. JB bilty a five dollars. Yazi says, oh, contrary, Alex,

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I'm not wrong. I'm just really wrong. JB says, I

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01:40:00,319 --> 01:40:05,800
guess sure, I hit all the super chats. I know

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01:40:05,920 --> 01:40:08,199
I got a young audience at night because it's all

1732
01:40:08,279 --> 01:40:12,199
like two dollars super chats. Hell, So hi, hell soul,

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01:40:12,279 --> 01:40:15,039
ten dollars. I'm truly thankful for what you do. Keep

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01:40:15,119 --> 01:40:19,479
being great and write more funny Sam hide bits in

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twenty twenty six. I think you mean, yeah, Ryan just

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01:40:23,520 --> 01:40:27,439
messages the other day to get ready for the next round, James,

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01:40:27,520 --> 01:40:33,239
five dollars. Basically every center definition of faith allows for doubt,

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01:40:34,239 --> 01:40:38,880
including the Book of Hebrews. This is an answer to

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01:40:38,920 --> 01:40:44,039
your question. Please unblock me now, I'm good camera in

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01:40:44,079 --> 01:40:45,720
ten dollars day, what do you think of the pre

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01:40:45,840 --> 01:40:53,439
canonical gospels like dead Sea shit. Well, the Deadly scrolls

1742
01:40:53,439 --> 01:40:56,680
aren't gospels, so do they hold a valuable I mean

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01:40:56,680 --> 01:40:59,640
the deasy scrolls hold value in that they vindicate like

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01:41:00,039 --> 01:41:05,199
the Book of Isaiah quite a bit. Andrew two dollars.

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01:41:05,199 --> 01:41:08,840
What's the best church father argument for God? I mean,

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01:41:08,920 --> 01:41:15,319
Athanasius does a pretty good argument in ad Gentees Mill

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01:41:15,399 --> 01:41:17,720
Stash five dollars. Father Turbos and the trailer at three

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01:41:17,760 --> 01:41:23,399
minutes five seconds and at the fifty five second mark. Okay,

1749
01:41:23,479 --> 01:41:27,840
thank you, meat Pill twenty dollars. I've been legit trying

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to find an Orthodox church. I asked about the Orthodox

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church closest to me of the Russian girl I worked with.

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01:41:33,800 --> 01:41:37,800
I was not trolling. I will the priest having a

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01:41:37,840 --> 01:41:39,439
picture of Putin on the wall is not a big deal,

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01:41:40,039 --> 01:41:42,920
so I would just go there. JB ten dollars. Faith

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01:41:43,039 --> 01:41:46,319
is the substance of things hoped for and here was eleven.

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01:41:46,399 --> 01:41:49,319
It's the grace energy of God that we experience allows

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01:41:49,359 --> 01:41:50,920
for a foretaste of the Kingdom of come. It's not

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01:41:50,960 --> 01:41:54,880
a conceptual matter. Yeah, Bloomers Slayer twenty dollars. What's up? Man?

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01:41:55,199 --> 01:41:56,800
Hast seen you in a while? Glad to see you back,

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be Scott, five dollars for your patience. Unk, looks like

1761
01:42:02,479 --> 01:42:06,199
you're gonna need it. It's only the second hour and

1762
01:42:06,319 --> 01:42:10,319
these people are testing the limits. Everybody to the limit.

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Hush tones, five dollars. I'm orthodox. My superchat was regarding Augustine.

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01:42:20,279 --> 01:42:23,880
The Augustine caller. Okay, thank you, Yeah, I understand. Now

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01:42:24,199 --> 01:42:36,479
let's see here, we'll get more making sure I hit

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01:42:36,479 --> 01:42:38,319
all the super chests. People get really mad if you

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01:42:38,359 --> 01:42:42,319
miss one Blockhead ten dollars, Jay, thank you. You once

1768
01:42:42,359 --> 01:42:45,800
said that there's nothing but evidence for Christianity. I found

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01:42:45,840 --> 01:42:48,079
myself doubting Christianity. I wonder it. Could you help me

1770
01:42:48,119 --> 01:42:50,319
with that? Do you have any evidence or or you

1771
01:42:50,359 --> 01:42:54,039
have any advice when it comes to praying for people

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01:42:54,199 --> 01:42:58,199
and trying to help them see the truth. I mean

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01:42:58,359 --> 01:43:01,439
praying for people and you know, doubtless you know, they're

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01:43:01,439 --> 01:43:04,720
different things, separate topics. But I would say, uh, you know,

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01:43:05,199 --> 01:43:09,039
watch the tag stuff for the doubt stuff, and uh,

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you know, go to the liturgy, Andrew says. Or two dollars.

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01:43:15,520 --> 01:43:18,279
Do you know more about geopolitics or theology and philosophy?

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01:43:21,359 --> 01:43:23,520
I would say in my life I've probably put more

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01:43:23,600 --> 01:43:28,960
time into theology and you know that kind of stuff

1780
01:43:29,039 --> 01:43:42,960
over the geopolitics for sure. M colin says, what's a

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01:43:43,000 --> 01:43:45,319
good book to spiritually understand what the dox theology?

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Speaker 1: More?

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01:43:50,439 --> 01:44:07,640
Speaker 3: Well, there's uh books are disappearing Spiritual Illnesses three volume

1784
01:44:07,680 --> 01:44:16,399
set by larsha is a good one. Veridonsen's Veridians ands

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01:44:16,479 --> 01:44:20,279
three dollars. Have you ever debated James Tabor's assertions about

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01:44:20,319 --> 01:44:23,399
the Ebia Knights? No, I don't know anything about that.

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01:44:25,199 --> 01:44:30,159
Veridians and Coffee with the Mustache author aligns with Sutton

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01:44:30,239 --> 01:44:34,279
Quigley and Burton Hirsch. Yeah, I'm gonna I wrote the

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book down. I'll get it. One last thing about Coffee

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01:44:39,920 --> 01:44:42,560
with Mustache Man, Verdian since five dollars a British new

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Oven could have used in support of the Ooster plot

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despite to depose the tony mustache man and chose not

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to interest in, that's another good support. Rudolph Has's Flight

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01:44:54,319 --> 01:44:57,119
is tied to German Fellowship. It's a smoking gun book. Okay,

1795
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that's definitely gonna get that, Yeah, leech, This Late Night

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01:45:02,199 --> 01:45:06,039
Stream is a certified classic A six seven. Can we

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01:45:06,119 --> 01:45:08,880
get a bone smashing tutorial? I don't know what bone

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smashing means esoteric Collywood Archive ten dollars. The first twenty

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sixteen Hitman mission in Paris has you assassinate fashion moguls

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01:45:23,520 --> 01:45:27,319
who create compromising black man. Wow. It was obviously based

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01:45:27,359 --> 01:45:32,000
on Epstein and Les Wexner. Wow, it was made before

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01:45:32,079 --> 01:45:34,119
that all blew up. Nobody has talked about this shit.

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01:45:34,159 --> 01:45:39,600
Ooh fascinating. And he sends that twice and shout out

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01:45:39,720 --> 01:45:43,720
to let's finish this real quick, to Rome Tat.

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Speaker 24: That's what Augustin taught because he never addressed my Augustine quote,

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01:45:46,239 --> 01:45:47,640
because that's assistant level defeating.

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01:45:47,760 --> 01:45:49,119
Speaker 6: That is time.

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01:45:52,560 --> 01:45:58,239
Speaker 3: Because let's see, I'm getting so tired. I've already forgot

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01:45:58,359 --> 01:46:01,119
when I was gonna look up while were we looking up,

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oh Esthotery Hollywood archive And this video was popping off

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01:46:07,880 --> 01:46:14,680
while right here. Forty thousand views in four days so

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01:46:15,079 --> 01:46:19,359
on this random movie inalysis. So people must be really

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01:46:19,439 --> 01:46:22,560
vibing with this. If you want to keep that momentum going,

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01:46:22,760 --> 01:46:27,560
enjoy this, share it if you like it. And he's

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01:46:27,600 --> 01:46:29,720
doing a good Clips channel over here focusing on the

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01:46:29,760 --> 01:46:34,239
movie stuff. And this is really needed because when you

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01:46:35,000 --> 01:46:36,960
go to the movie podcast or all like two hours

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01:46:37,000 --> 01:46:38,680
long three hours long. People don't want to watch that,

1819
01:46:38,880 --> 01:46:41,359
so to break it up into the fifteen twenty minute

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01:46:41,399 --> 01:46:46,560
segments is a really good idea. Suko five dollars, Jay, No,

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01:46:46,680 --> 01:46:54,720
we did that, Bob Dog ten dollars. I appreciate the

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01:46:54,800 --> 01:47:03,359
late night stream, Thanks Bob Dog. Harry Sapano's ten dollars.

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01:47:03,800 --> 01:47:06,319
Happy New Year, Jay, God bless you. Hey you too, man,

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01:47:06,520 --> 01:47:09,840
longtime super chatter, are welcome. Glad to see you back

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01:47:09,840 --> 01:47:10,760
in the chat. JJ.

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Speaker 28: What's the compre as a book on orthodoxology? A good

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01:47:13,880 --> 01:47:17,279
starting one is Palmazanski's Orthodox Dogmatics.

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01:47:26,199 --> 01:47:29,960
Speaker 3: Meat Pill five dollars. I'm the putin pick guy. To me,

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01:47:30,039 --> 01:47:33,000
it's signified a higher loyalty to the government. I mean

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01:47:33,119 --> 01:47:36,000
having a picture on the wall is like, we're not Protestants, man, Like,

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01:47:36,800 --> 01:47:39,560
that doesn't mean that we worship because we have a

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01:47:39,600 --> 01:47:42,479
picture of the wall. Victor of three dollars. Yeah, I

1833
01:47:42,479 --> 01:47:47,720
appreciate your contribution to exiting my exiting of Protestant dispensationalism.

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I'm an engineer. Would you recommend I work in defense

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01:47:52,399 --> 01:47:58,119
despite its ties? I don't think most Orthodox priests are

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01:47:58,159 --> 01:48:00,359
going to tell you to stop working in military work.

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I mean, if It really just depends on exactly what

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01:48:04,239 --> 01:48:08,520
you're doing. And you know that's that's a that's a

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01:48:08,600 --> 01:48:09,960
call that you would make, you know, kind of with

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01:48:10,039 --> 01:48:13,520
your spiritual father. So most of the time, you know,

1841
01:48:14,199 --> 01:48:17,479
people understand that you got to make a living in

1842
01:48:17,560 --> 01:48:21,359
this world. And uh, unless you're involved in something explicitly immoral,

1843
01:48:22,399 --> 01:48:31,000
you're not really expected to, like quit your job. Guys,

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remember to talk dot com the bestiness elementation on the internet.

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Use a chromoical J sixty life, js X zero Life,

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Jay six zero l if he to get sixty percent

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01:48:39,640 --> 01:48:42,720
off all these great products. Thank you, guys for all

1848
01:48:42,760 --> 01:48:46,279
your support tonight. Very generous. This was an interesting Every

1849
01:48:46,399 --> 01:48:49,119
stream is its own unique little creature, you know what

1850
01:48:49,159 --> 01:48:53,720
I mean. And uh, I kind of like the stream

1851
01:48:53,760 --> 01:48:57,199
of consciousness, the random you never know what you're gonna get.

1852
01:48:58,079 --> 01:49:00,399
It's just kind of wild West. I kind of like that.

1853
01:49:03,039 --> 01:49:06,479
But we will go back to Burtonhurst book. We will

1854
01:49:06,560 --> 01:49:09,239
do more of that. I'm just getting too tired now.

1855
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We did get through most of the early part forty

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five minutes of the Yass's Soaring debate, we didn't really

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get the stranger things. Maybe I'll do that later.