Speaker 1: They are praying in heaven. I get that I'm there
at this point.
Speaker 2: The part I'm struggling is like the and if I'm
praying not to an icon, but forgive me like icond
of Saint George, like the idea that he hears like
my particular prayer, if I'm asking for his intercestry parent
prayer because on a Sunday like the Patriots Saint of
the local parish that I went to, that have gone
to a few times with Saint George, that he could
hear everybody's prayers all at once. It just seems like
something attributed to a saint or to somebody in heaven
that I've always kind of viewed as something to God.
Speaker 3: Well, the saints are identified, so they're participating in the
uncredited energies of God, and that's the that's the means
by which they're able to do those things. So without God,
without that uncreated energy and power, they would not be
able to do that. But okay, because of the vine grace,
they are able to do those things and go ahead.
Speaker 2: And is just taught in tradition, Like where can I
maybe read more on that or understand that?
Speaker 3: But well, I mean it's a theological conclusion from a
bunch of dogmas that are taught, like if theosis is true,
if uncreated energies are true, and if we see in
Revelation five through nine the saints in heaven are offering
the saints offering the prayers of the of the Church
on earth, and the angels are offering the prayers of
the Church on earth. That's like, to me, that's just
an obvious proof. Okay, you know what I'm talking about
in Revelation.
Speaker 2: I know that you've not good at recalling immediately. I've
tried to listen to.
Speaker 3: It, right, So if you read five through nine, Chapter
is five through nine, you will see that when John
looks into heaven, and we believe that John is celebrating
the liturgy, and he has this vision of the heavenly liturgy,
and he sees in heaven, he sees this worship service
going on with the lamb slain. So, by the way,
he's slain in heaven. And so there's this liturgical service happening,
and there's vestiments, there's incense, there's an alter, there's martyrs.
They are offering the prayers, and we believe our interpretation
is that it's the same as the Church on Earth.
So that's how they're doing it, is that they're in
the Church with us.
Speaker 2: Okay, I get the idea in principle, and then.
Speaker 3: I would add too, that's not a New Testament like peculiarity.
In the psalms, David speaks in his liturgical psalms to
the angels and even engages in asking for their help,
asking for them to do stuff right in the context
of liturgical singing.
Speaker 2: Okay, Yes, And I pulled up Isabelle A de Luca's
video when I thought about calling in the other week.
Speaker 4: I made sure to watch that before.
Speaker 3: Well that one, Yeah, let's see. There's also this one
is a debate with JP on this topic. I thought
that one of the clips channels uploaded that.
Speaker 1: But anyway, okay.
Speaker 3: We debate the topic there. I mean that Protestant guy Okay.
And then.
Speaker 2: Just last one so with with Mary, it's just it's
something so foreign to me that over the last two years,
as I've try and been trying to like dive into
Orthodoxy and understand, it's just like a it's a thing
that I struggle to keep it open hand with. But
the thing that I'm struggling with Mary at this point,
is like in the liturgies when it's like Mary save
us or save those have been called upon to govern
us lead us.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's called middle salvation. It's the same ideas.
Like when Paul says to Timothy, you know, if you
are are godly, you will save those around you. It
doesn't mean that Timothy is saving people and Jesus Isn't
it means that Jesus is using Timothy to save people. Okay.
Speaker 2: Just when I read it, or like when I'm when
I'm in the liturgy on Sunday and I hear them
say that, it sounds like saying like Mary save us.
Speaker 1: Maybe it's just because I'm just not used to it
so foreign to me.
Speaker 3: No, it's it's what I just said. Paul says to Timothy,
if you act godly, you will save those around you.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 3: Paul's not saying that Timothy saves people without Jesus. Okay.
So in the same sense, Mary saves us because she
prays for us and intercedes for us. I feel like saying,
you know, my grandmother prayed for me and I was saved.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 3: Oh, I guess you don't believe in Jesus because you're
saying that your grandmother's prayers saved you. I mean, that's
that's all. It's just called middle It's in theology, is
called middle salvation. I remember, it's that's the term Rachel's
asking about. So this was like a year or two ago.
Is Isabella de Luca said, why do orthodox venerate? Mary?
I don't understand intersect no saints. So I made this
forty minute video replying to her criticisms and questions, like
a year ago. So that's why that came up. Does
anyone want to debate sweet candy or that topic? If
you would do your do the emojis, and let's talk
about that information and that that topic, because that, to me,
that's fun to debate other things. We everybody just calls
in and talk theology, which is fine. But if there
are any emotes or hands raised, okay, what's up man,
what's your what's your perspective?
Speaker 5: Hey, not here to debate canvas, So you can skip
over me if you want.
Speaker 3: Well, you raise your hand, So I thought, why'd you
raise your hand? If that's what, go ahead. I'm okay, you're.
Speaker 4: Like kind of researching orthodoxy, Maybe.
Speaker 3: Go ahead, you're cutting out, man, we can't even hear you.
You can try to come back in, Joey, what's up man?
Speaker 4: Hello?
Speaker 1: Hey, oh hey, how's it going? Hey? So, uh, this
is on the topic of Candace and Tucker.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 7: So, I remember a couple months ago Candace posted something
about the you know, the CIA ties to the evangelical
leaders and all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1: Uh. And I actually remember Cliff.
Speaker 7: Knucklehead went on Tucker maybe about a couple months ago,
and he actually brought up the fact that he, uh
he lived with Billy Graham uh for a while.
Speaker 4: And so I was wondering if you knew anything about that.
Speaker 3: No, I didn't know that. I mean, it's no, I
don't guess it's really surprising. I guess they all run
the same circles. But what how does that relate to
the CIA angelical stuff.
Speaker 7: Well, I mean I remember, specifically in the Tucker thing
he was talking about, you.
Speaker 1: Know, he lived with billion and all that. But I
haven't really dug.
Speaker 4: Too deep in then that's where you.
Speaker 1: Know, give that insight.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I did do We've done for many years
a podcast noting the connection between CAIA and evangelicals. I've
been doing that topic for like ten years, whether it's
Calvary Chapel, or whether it's the megachurches, or whether it's
a you know, missionaries, church spies. I've literally got podcasts
on that going back ten years. We used to do
that topic on Hoaxbuster's Call. In fact, the very first
live stream that I did. Let's see watch this with
John Adams. This is from Hopebuster's called this is seven
eight years ago. We're actually talking about evangelical end times nonsense,
and we get into social engineering, and we get into
the CAA and all that. Right here. Look at this.
I was talking about this in twenty eighteen and one
of the first podcasts I mean live streams that I
ever did. This is like second or third streamer here.
Look at that. I was talking about CIA evangelical stuff
here February twenty eighteen. Okay, I've been studying these topics
for way longer than Candice. I know this stuff way
better than her. So if you want to come and
debate me on these topics, please do. And if you
want to talk about assassinations, I would expect that you've
read perhaps some famous book on it, like Fletcher Proudy's
book and you could talk about it with some knowledge.
What's up? Man? Hello, hey, hey, so.
Speaker 8: Since you've brought up end times, I don't know if
you've heard this take this.
Speaker 1: Is currently your new tam for me. I don't believe this.
My friend does.
Speaker 4: But he gave me a bunch of notes to give you.
Speaker 8: And he says that to give me fathers.
Speaker 3: To give to me. Okay, go ahead, he says. The
church fathers.
Speaker 8: What he says, the church fathers up hold this view.
So it's called twenty twenty eight ends.
Speaker 1: Have you heard of this?
Speaker 3: The church fathers hold this view? Yes?
Speaker 8: About he says, six thousand years six day plan.
Speaker 3: I mean there were referred there was a couple of
early church fathers that speculate on the day age theory
of like a thousand years and it's part of the
six days. That's not like some Normani view.
Speaker 8: All right, he gave me stuff like a pistol of Barnabas.
Speaker 3: Right, So again there are Yeah, I appreciate that there
are some things like that in the early uh you know,
post Avastoc fathers speculating about th all day day. It's
not day, it's the day age theory not But no,
I don't just because there's a lot of there's stuff
in the pistol barnabas, it's unorthodox. So appreciate that call though,
but yeah, we were just not accepting that, and that's
not it's not normative. It's just a couple of places.
What's up Man.
Speaker 9: Is just on the topic of Candice not so much
related to her politics, but what do you think about
her claims about my Crohn's husband slash wife.
Speaker 3: I don't have any opinion on it. I mean, it's
it's a little odd to me that she chose she chooses.
I'm not saying that like that doesn't have any relevance,
it doesn't matter. It's just an odd topic to like
really focus on.
Speaker 9: It feels it feels kind of like they're testing what
they can get away with.
Speaker 1: If it is the case, that's kind of.
Speaker 3: Like what I oh, you mean if she is a dude?
Speaker 9: Yeah, Like are they trying to pull the wool over
the general public size? And in their little circle they're
kind of like laughing about it, like look what we
can do and they can't do anything about it.
Speaker 3: I mean, maybe I don't really think that they have
to do that. Though. It's not like they're like wondering,
like can we get away with this? Like I don't
think they care, but I mean it's an it's an
odd series of things that she focuses on, and I
don't it's not all wrong or bad. Like the when
she did the whole expos on BB that was good.
She kind of proved that Bibe has like, you know,
dual names, he has like an intelligence background, and that's
all very sot. But I mean that's not really surprising.
I'm not saying it's wrong. I'm just saying it's not
really surprising. So like that was some interesting information, but
like just all the Mitch Snow stuff is just so
just obviously stupid and discrediting Cole what's up? It's weird too.
It was making me mad that so many of these
bots do, these stupid bots or whatever they are, like
for me saying that Alex is right and the Mitch
Snow thing is ridiculous, and then I get like dozens
of bots you work for nan Yahoo, You're this, You're that,
you're washed up, you're done, you're cooked, And I'm like
none of the reply, like the replies already even even
accurately my positions, right, like you worship the Zionists. You
are a Zionis shills. Like, what are you talking about?
Speaker 1: Cole?
Speaker 3: What's up? Cole? On you? Hey, Jake.
Speaker 10: The Mormon bigfoot guy.
Speaker 4: I don't know if you remember that.
Speaker 3: But yeah, that was one of the best insights that
proves Mormonism to be true, is that they believe in Bigfoot.
Speaker 4: Oh absolutely, man.
Speaker 3: And that's I'm being serious, Like I know, actually people
are thinking we're joking. Mormon's actually believe that it's kine.
Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, it's Kine.
Speaker 3: I agree.
Speaker 1: It's so crazy.
Speaker 4: I grew up with that.
Speaker 11: And like it's not even just like a wives tale,
like it was taught in our like high school like seminaries.
Speaker 3: We reminded me of that, Yeah, because they'll try to
handwave that be like, oh, that's not really a thing.
Speaker 10: Oh yeah, dude, it's it's like it's crazy because like
legit in several prophets books, it's taught by like every
like it's crazy. So this was more just more of
a curiosity. Are you aware of the new James Bond
video game coming out?
Speaker 3: I am absolutely planned to play it, and we're gonna
do we do game insurance guys, we're gonna do the
New Resident Evil because that's my favorite games. We're gonna do.
I just got Cyberpunk and played the first part of it,
the tutorials so you don't have to watch me, the
boring part where I'd figure out the buttons and the tutorials.
So I've got Cyberpunk ready to go, and we're gonna
do the Double O seven. Was it First Light or.
Speaker 4: Something like that, Yeah, something like that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, dude. It's gonna be a fun, smart thing.
Speaker 4: Dude. It looks so good that it's gonna be like the.
Speaker 11: First one that's not like character based, Like it's not
a Pierce Brasan, right, it's like his own thing. But
the other thing, too, is the guys who made it
as Io.
Speaker 4: Did you ever end up playing hit Man?
Speaker 3: You know what? I did? I have hit Man? I
played uh three. I'm gonna be honest with it, man,
Like it was complex. I spent about six hours trying
to do the tutorials and trying to work through that
first that first level, that first level, and I just
honestly I just got I was like, I can't put
this much time into this freaking hit Man game. But
it was it was fun. I could see it being
like something that you know, you can put a lot
of time into.
Speaker 4: Oh for sure. It Yeah, it's kind of one.
Speaker 10: It's funny because it's different puzzles and stuff.
Speaker 11: But the main thing, though I thought you'd be interested,
is actually the story, which I find it very interesting
that i Owe now has the trademark to then have
the James Bond game, because like the whole hit Man
thing is, you know, and all like the backstory that
you get from playing like one of the levels I
think you'd love. I think it's hit Man two two,
but it's all the same story. But there's one where
they go to a place called Islo Scale and it's
like a eyes white shut Freemason masked like a party
on this like Scottie Castle thing, and there's all these
layers to it to where there's like the there's two
main people that you're trying to kill are like taking
over from this previous.
Speaker 4: Guy that you can killed earlier, that are part of.
Speaker 11: This whole secret cabal and you're hearing throughout while you're
like in the different characters like trying to sneak in
and stuff. There's one guy who they're trying to blackmail
who like runs a coal mine and oil and they're
like trying to blackmail them and force them to like
the Green New Deal kind.
Speaker 5: Of a time.
Speaker 3: Oh wow, interesting, they're just cool.
Speaker 10: There's just cool layers.
Speaker 4: I think you'd like it.
Speaker 3: And that's hit Man too.
Speaker 10: I think it's hit Man too. I have Hitman one, two,
and three and I love the game.
Speaker 4: It's one of my favorites.
Speaker 10: But yeah, it's I think it's one of the levels
of hit Man too.
Speaker 4: I believe I'm all.
Speaker 3: Paused somebody in the chat, Well, I'm sure no by
the way people are saying, are you're not going to
do anymore red Devredention? No, we will. It's just that
I think it's going to be fun to kind of
switch it up. And also, I don't think many of
y'all are going to stay around for me playing five
hundred hours of Red Depredemption to beat it or whatever,
so it'll be fun to I got to switch it up.
But let's watch this trailer here, and uh, because I
saw some my my bipop peoples is running in my
sex now, which is which is what I want.
Speaker 12: His parents cut their own rope to save him. He
watched them full then found his way off that mountain.
He was eleven years old.
Speaker 6: He then started a grand tour of every major boarding
school I'm talking about.
Speaker 3: But now we got my people running British intelligence. Things
about the change, y'all in Britain.
Speaker 12: Always at the top of his class.
Speaker 6: Always at odds with authority. Same thing in the Navy.
Speaker 12: His superiors all praise his instincts.
Speaker 6: And they're all in need of early retirement. Nobody knows
what to do with him.
Speaker 12: Mom No, and I suspect he feels the same way.
Speaker 3: Do y'all like this new era of me doing games?
We've entered a new aon and I know a lot
of y'all had a good time with read that redemption
because y'all gave me about seven hundred dollars in super chats. Yea,
I must have had fun. So we will do more
gaming streams. I guarantee you.
Speaker 12: What he did in Iceland.
Speaker 6: What he did in Iceland was in subordination. It was
ill disciplined, utterly reckless. He only survived thanks to blind luck.
Give me one good reason to put him in the program, Mam.
Speaker 3: I think that British voice doesn't fit that black dude.
Speaker 12: You just covered them all greenway. It's really quite simple.
Bond is a bullet without a target. Let's give him one.
Speaker 3: Okay, all right, he's with me. I got a sassy
black queen. I'm already liking it. What are we gonna say?
Speaker 10: Yeah, Well, if you're ever interested in a messing with it,
I'm not no expert in Hitman, but if you ever
wanted like a little bit of.
Speaker 4: Walk through, I can help you out with it a
little bit.
Speaker 3: But all I appreciate.
Speaker 11: The other thing too, is if you don't want to
go down the game like playing the all through one
hit on one through three, probably just find some cut
scenes and kind of just get the basic story of
it all.
Speaker 3: Somebody should should, because I'm sure there is a clip
on YouTube, by the way, that's me and Candace right there.
Candace is my British Intelligence operative handler in the new
James Bond game.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, she's she's your spook.
Speaker 3: What can you think of what the name of that
level would be? And I could just pull it up
on YouTube.
Speaker 10: Yeah, it's Ile of Scale, so I s l E
and then it's s K g A I l.
Speaker 3: S say that again?
Speaker 1: S K what s K I A I g L.
Speaker 10: I think it just hitman isle of scale or something
like that.
Speaker 4: It'll come up.
Speaker 13: Do ten minutes of filler to Sofia just go ahead
and make a way to go in here.
Speaker 3: And bust up the butt pirates and the Illuminati rituals here.
Speaker 4: Yeah, dude, it's it's it's weird, man.
Speaker 11: They got like there's like a huge like burning effigy
that she like pretends to sacrifice herself in, but you
can kill her in there as well. So she's got
like a trap door and you like to kill the
you like kill the gas pistons that release the door,
so she just ends up burning in there when she's
not really supposed to, okay. And then there's like there's
a spot where you're kind of like you actually get
to kind of go through the questioning and stuff to
be like become part.
Speaker 10: Of the secret Society as well, and so they kind
of have options through that, and you like can tell
the truth or light through the light detector tests and
get like electrocuted and.
Speaker 3: Stuff and all these.
Speaker 4: Weird rituals and all that crap.
Speaker 11: And there's like this top secret one where you're wearing
these weird like skull face masks where all these guys
are like the top elite people in this secret society.
Speaker 3: Yeah that's what That's what I'm seeing on the screen
right now.
Speaker 10: Yeah, and so you're seeing all these different levels through
it and stuff. Okay, yes, it's it's pretty cool. It's
the layering on. It's cool the story without throughout all
of it, Like the guys you're at their funeral and stuff.
Speaker 4: You're the one that killed him like a few levels back.
Speaker 3: Okay. And also the.
Speaker 10: Original critic like Russian sort of Nazi.
Speaker 3: Character, appreciate it, man, all those Russian Nazis. Inevitable China?
What's up? Man? Yeah? This looks fun. We have illuminate
and firm, illuminate and firm.
Speaker 14: What up?
Speaker 3: Inevitable China? What's up?
Speaker 7: Hi?
Speaker 3: Hey?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just had a question. So do you believe
a literal flood of the entire planet occurred as depicted
in the Bible? And if so, why? Uh?
Speaker 3: Have you read the ancient Chinese accounts of it?
Speaker 15: No?
Speaker 3: I have not.
Speaker 1: What do they when do they depict these floods of
having happened?
Speaker 3: Well, they don't give a date, but like ancient Chinese
mythology talks about it, a many, So does the numa
Alish these kinds of ancient documents talk about it. So
I accept it because it's in the scriptures. It's divinely revealed.
Speaker 1: In the beginning of the shed dynasty, there there were
tales of the Yangshi River flooding, and there were foundational
you know, members of the First Dynasty that we're tasked
with redirecting the flow of the navigation of the rivers.
But of course, in the biblical depiction, you know, what
we understand is that the entire planet flooded and everybody
that didn't join no in their arc, we're not able
to survive. So I wanted to ask if you believe
in that specific story.
Speaker 3: I do. I believe that I believe the story of Noah.
Speaker 1: Yes, so in that basis right that, I guess. So
you're saying that you believe this because this occurred, this
was written in the scriptures.
Speaker 3: What I was saying, hold on, But what I was
I'm just trying to remember what I was thinking of.
What I'm thinking of is called the Chinese Guny myth.
Have you heard that? Yeah, it says it lasted for
two generations, So it doesn't say anything about like it
just being a couple of rivers.
Speaker 1: Well, that's a separate myth too, as I wouldn't necessarily
say that that's all one in the same. But as
far as the Guian myth, right, I still wouldn't corroborate
with the typical flood story. So I guess why why
would it not? Well because everybody that was not a
Noah's art would have died, right, so the people who
witnessed the myth, for example, would not be able to
live to tell the tale.
Speaker 3: No, if the flood happened, then the people in China
are the descendants of Noah's Noah's children, so that's how
that happened.
Speaker 1: But is that is that what is stated to be
the case? And then Gunyan myth is that what they
say they say that they.
Speaker 3: Are no the myth. This myth also differs from you know,
the Sumerian Akkadian flood stories as well. So the argument
is not that the details of all the stories are accurate,
it's that there is a primal primordial myth that's in
all of these traditions about a global flood.
Speaker 1: Wouldn't this be because floods just happen in regions like
you know even the Yeah, well it was the Sumerian
region in which the biblical flood is alleged to have
come from.
Speaker 3: Right, I mean you're right that, Yeah, you're right that
it depends on the worldview as to whether or not
it's a global flood or not. So yeah, there are
floods everywhere, so there could be. But so that's when
it comes back down to what, like what we accept
as our final authority? So what what do you accept
as your final epistemic authority?
Speaker 1: Well, my I'm trying to brought my head around the
belief in the flood as far as like why even
say a Christian would believe in it, just because of
the complete lack of evidence.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 3: But again you're saying the lack of evidence and I'm
giving you epic of Gilgamesh gun you all of these
different global flood myths of the ancient world would count
as forms of evidence. But you're saying, no, they don't,
because why well.
Speaker 1: These are stories of floods, and these are widely acknowledged
as myths even within their own contemporary coste. Okay, so
you are saying that the floods in the Bible.
Speaker 3: So right, So now you're saying that we can't accept
what is now mythology because the argument wasn't that it
is true because it's a myth. The argument is that
this counts as a form of data because all of
these different cultures have a similar root story. That was
the argument that that's it. And I'm saying that's a
corroborating piece of evidence. But you're saying it doesn't prove
the flood because you have a commitment to what reason
and evidence is that what you're saying.
Speaker 1: So I'm saying that there's, uh, these are data points,
but these aren't necessarily data points that would contribute to
the validating a flood story of the Bible. Right, worldwide
flood is not the same as a regional flood.
Speaker 3: Well, these don't all say that. They don't you're just
saying the regional. They don't actually say that they're specifically
all regional. You're saying, no, they're just regional.
Speaker 1: Well, well, yes, most of these flood stories are based
off of regional floods. Right, So these, even even the
goon new myth is referring specifically to a flooding.
Speaker 3: You're saying that, but like, where does it specifically say, oh, no,
this is only a myth for our region.
Speaker 1: Well again, right, this is referring to you the great
the goon youw myth is literally about the foundations of
China and and what was done in order to tame
the waters that sparks the gun New flood myth in
the first place. So it doesn't it the you know,
the fact that it doesn't say, hey, the entire planet flood.
It is probably fair enough to say that, hey, this
is a a regional.
Speaker 3: And national Okay, Well, then that's an argument from silence,
and so that doesn't prove or disprove anything. So you're
just saying that, yeah, well but if it's an argument
from silence, it proves my view. So that's inconclusive. So
what's at work here is rival commitments to ultimate authorities.
And so let's say the flood is false and the
Bible is incorrect, what's the correct view?
Speaker 1: The problem is, I guess the problem is is the
faulty logic and being able to use data points and
assert that these are tangible reasonable data points, right, I
think there has to be a level of reason and
you know, appropriation towards the overall pieceis that you're trying
to correct.
Speaker 3: And so what Okay, So in your worldview, then, since
you're relying on reasoning ultimately, what is reason in your
worldview and logic?
Speaker 1: It is my point, right, So for.
Speaker 3: Example, what is what is reason and logic? Since it's
your final commitment.
Speaker 1: I think scale appropriate, scale matter.
Speaker 3: What is reason and logic? Okay, you're not going to
answer the question. So for you, your commitment ultimately is
to the principles as I asked earlier, of reasoning and logic. Okay, fine,
the Bible's false, We're going to be committed to reasoning
and logic. So what is your account of the principle
of logic and reasoning itself?
Speaker 1: Well, I can give you that answer through a direct example.
So if I leave the bathroom sync on and I've
flowed my entire bathroom, that is not a rational data
point towards the flooding of the end.
Speaker 3: So you're not answering my question. I'm not asking you
any more about the question of the flood. I'm conceding
to you. Let's say the flood's false. Let's say the
Bible's wrong. So now you're saying that our ultimate epistemic
commitment is to reasoning and logic. So I want from
you an account in your worldview of reasoning and logic.
What is it?
Speaker 1: Well, I think the scientific process.
Speaker 3: What is reason and logic?
Speaker 1: I'm well, I'm saying that if you want to account for, say,
like a worldview, if you want to account for a worldview,
the scientific method is a pretty reasonable.
Speaker 3: Does the scientific method rely on reason and logic?
Speaker 1: It relies on observation and repeated?
Speaker 3: Okay, so what is reason and logic?
Speaker 1: For the fourth time, Well, I don't think that's necessarily
a fair question to ask, right, I think.
Speaker 3: So that's your ultimate epistemic commitment, is reasoning and logic.
And I ask you what is that? Where is that?
And you say it's not a fair question.
Speaker 1: I said the scientific method.
Speaker 3: And I said does the scientific method rely on reasoning
and logic? And you said yes, So that's a circle.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, the scientific method is a form of reasoning.
Speaker 3: Right, So what is reasoning and logic? Because you just
did a circle?
Speaker 1: So evidence, right, it's based in evidence and observation, so
it's about forming.
Speaker 3: So where in observation is logic?
Speaker 1: Well, logic is especially like from the frame rate that
we're talking fort like in our conversation. We have to
assess logic by its modality.
Speaker 3: That doesn't mode is a way a thing exists. So
now you're going into ontology, what is your account of
ontology as an atheist?
Speaker 1: I just think that you're trying.
Speaker 3: What is ontology? Now that you're in you're in the
domain of metaphysics, so you're you're moving them. No, I'm not.
This is you you want me to just saying a
modality tells me nothing because that's an empty statement. That's
a metaphysical claim that tells me nothing.
Speaker 1: Well, there's again, right, you.
Speaker 3: Know what modality is, what mode is in philosophy, It's
a metaphysical term.
Speaker 1: Is not just it's not specific only what is it?
It's a metaphysics right, It's it's a way that something exists.
It's a way that something is.
Speaker 3: Thank you. That's a metaphysical claim.
Speaker 1: Right, Okay, And then when what is the scientific method?
Is the scientific method not able to be applied under
that framework?
Speaker 3: You said the scientific method relies on logic and reasoning,
And I'm asking you, in your worldview, what are those things?
What's your account for those things?
Speaker 1: But I just said it's based on evidence, based on evidence.
It's based on a hypothesis and then using evidence.
Speaker 3: Right, so using the justification of it. So using the
thing is the epistemic justification of a thing?
Speaker 1: No, that's that's a part of it. You're pigeonholing that specific.
Speaker 3: Okay, So what's the method?
Speaker 1: Is the framework that would happen?
Speaker 3: Is the scientific method universally applicable?
Speaker 15: You know?
Speaker 1: I think it's universally. I think it's not fair to say,
but I think the wide as far as like the
vast majority of you know, ideas in life, I think
you can apply.
Speaker 3: Does the scientific method tell you what logic is? Do
you find logic through the scientific method?
Speaker 1: Well, again, I I don't think necessarily that's I think
logic actually works within the scientific method.
Speaker 3: I don't care. But what is it?
Speaker 1: Logic is obviously how you form a conclusion.
Speaker 3: That's not what logic is. Logic is not forming a conclusion.
Logic is a principle. Is it universal or is it particular? Well,
it can be both, right, it is universal.
Speaker 1: No, I'm saying it can be both.
Speaker 3: If it can be both, then it is also universal
because that's part of the both. Right.
Speaker 1: Well, the thing is that depends on the context that
you're applying it to.
Speaker 3: Is it at all universal? Is logic ever universally applicable?
Speaker 1: I'll give you an example. There is logic even within
you know, like if you have a theological disquisition, there
are logical approaches that people take even.
Speaker 3: To the Is logic itself universally applicable?
Speaker 1: Well, it's only if you have enough information for it, right.
I think, for example, the absence of logic exists as well.
And that's why I am.
Speaker 3: Not that's a nonsense statement. The absence of logic exists.
It's just jibberish. As you can see, when we actually
drill into the presuppositions of the Reddit atheist, it all
just turns into gibberish, no coherency whatsoever. King David, what's up?
That's a black man that thinks he's for China. Like
people just come up with the weirdest shit. What's up? Man,
King David? What's up?
Speaker 1: I'm mute, hey Jay, this is David.
Speaker 16: I've been recently looking into Orthodoxy and Catholicism. I am
currently Pentecostal, believe it or not, and I'm Romanian, and
within this year I've been looking into all this stuff
and I had two questions.
Speaker 1: Okay, first question is with the Orthodox Church.
Speaker 16: I've been I've never been to an Orthodox church, and
I've looked at services online, to the turgical services, and
it just seems I mean, obviously I don't understand it completely,
but it just seems like it kind.
Speaker 1: Of goes against.
Speaker 16: Say, the Testament Church, because that's not true, but the
way I see the evangelicals evangelized to people, it just
seems like the evangel Evangelicals.
Speaker 3: Look, I'm just gonna say, watch the video Orthodox Christian
worship in the Old Testament. I'm not gonna have to
I can't rehearsal that tonight, but I appreciate your call. Squirrel.
What's up, Squirrel? I'm you. My sleep is all jacked up,
so I thought it might as well just do a
late in ice stream anyway, what's up? Man?
Speaker 17: I was just gonna say, I don't know much about Candice,
but you were talking earlier about some of the churches
and some of the mess up shit and stuff, and
I was just wondering if you had read Jesus Freaks
by Donline.
Speaker 3: Mm hmm. What's that about?
Speaker 1: It's about the family?
Speaker 3: What is that?
Speaker 1: It's a huge cult.
Speaker 3: Oh, the Family cult. Yeah, I know about that, okay,
and uh what about it?
Speaker 17: No, I was just wondering if you had read that
book because it's okay.
Speaker 1: It's good information.
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, no, that sounds cool. I'll check that out.
Are you just uh a student of random cults or
what made you pick that one out?
Speaker 1: Do you seem to fit with what you were saying?
Speaker 3: Okay, appreciate that. Uh, we actually should do a podcast
and that because we haven't really covered Yeah, what's up, man?
I see you, I see you, I see you baby
shaking that booty? What's up man? I'm mute?
Speaker 4: Hello hello hey, uh yeah, I was wanting to know.
Speaker 15: Have you ever.
Speaker 18: Heard of the book or read the book Coffee with
Hitler by Charles Swisser.
Speaker 4: Well, this book is real interesting.
Speaker 18: It gets into the spy angle and you know you
went through that long.
Speaker 4: Talk about the old boys, the American elite.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, we got a new part too. We're
only like two hundred pages into it.
Speaker 18: So well, this this book, Coffee with Hitler, came out
three years ago and it talks about the German Fellowship
and uh talks about Philip Conwell Evans.
Speaker 1: Is he in that is he in that Old Boys book?
Speaker 3: Uh, I'll have to look. I don't know off the
top of my head. And there's so many I'm only
I'm only six chapters in, so there's a lot to go.
Speaker 6: Well.
Speaker 18: The thing that's interesting about this Coffee with Hitler book
is that this guy named Charles Spicer uncovered a lot
of these documents from that German Fellowship group, and you
know they they fed information to the British talk talking
about the sudan Land invasion, the Onslash invasion before it happened,
all of the stuff that confirms everything that Sutton and
and your.
Speaker 3: Boy who's the author of that. I'll get it, Charles
Spicer Coffee with Hitler? I got it all right, Thanks man,
appreciate you.
Speaker 1: Welcome.
Speaker 3: I'll get that book I got on my list right here.
A polar bear. What's up, dude? Hey?
Speaker 19: Hey, random question, But if Jews are not a different
race and just a different religion, how do you explain
the Nurremberg laws, which uh, you know, objectively persecuted.
Speaker 1: Them for their race.
Speaker 3: Uh, you're asking me how to explain it? I don't.
I don't have some position on that.
Speaker 19: Explain Jews are if Jews are not a different race,
how were millions of them persecuted under the Nuremberg Laws.
Speaker 3: I think it's a race and a religion, so it
can be flexible for different conclusions at different times.
Speaker 19: So according to millions of Europeans at that time, they're
in fact.
Speaker 1: A different race.
Speaker 3: Okay, what's the point?
Speaker 19: So it would it be accurate to say when many
Orthodox saints and fathers say the Jews are an evil race?
Speaker 4: Is that accurate?
Speaker 3: It's an evil race spiritually speaking, because many Jews convert
and become Christians, so it's not inherently a racial problem.
Speaker 19: Well spiritually, but yes, but the Jews themselves admit this,
and racially the majority of Jews practice the religion, so
it's a different race.
Speaker 3: But it's also not a race because they have people
who are not fully genetically Jewish, so it's a flexible
thing that they can adapt to different situations.
Speaker 19: Sure, but according to the Nuremberg laws, they are in
fact objectively.
Speaker 1: A different race.
Speaker 3: Okay, I mean, is that some sort of epistemic authority
for me? I don't like, I don't understand what your
point is there?
Speaker 19: Objectively a different race and a church fathers say they
are a.
Speaker 3: Race, but the Church Fathers also speak of them not
specifically only as a race, because it's also religion. It
can be flexible. As I've said for the third time,
what are you trying to prove.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying that Jews are a different.
Speaker 3: Race, and okay, so if a if a bunch of
like so there's a bunch of people like in Hollywood
that converted to Judaism right over the last twenty years
thirty years.
Speaker 19: True, but I'm not talking about it from the perspective
of religion.
Speaker 3: I'm just saying they're a different race, but it's also
a religion, so it can be flexible.
Speaker 19: But they weren't persecuted based on their religion. They were
persecuted based.
Speaker 3: No, that's not true. That's not true. What are you
talking about.
Speaker 19: I'm saying, for example, in the third right, Jews were
persecuted one hundred percent based on their race, not their religion.
Speaker 1: And this was also true in antiquity.
Speaker 3: No it's not. I mean when the Church fathers speak
of why they're to be avoided or whatever, it is
not specifically for some genetic thing, because they didn't even
have like a specific genetic understanding in the ancient world.
Speaker 19: That's interesting that so many church Fathers specifically say race.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but do you think the Church fathers had a
post Darwinian understanding of race. They just used the term.
They just used the term as a people group.
Speaker 19: I think they had a naturalistic view on it.
Speaker 3: The Church Fathers had a naturalistic view. How was that?
Speaker 19: I'm saying when they look at this other race of
people called Jews, morphology is different, their entire different.
Speaker 3: And that is just nonsense, just wasting time. What's up, man?
Speaker 1: You?
Speaker 2: How's it going?
Speaker 4: Man?
Speaker 3: Good? What's up?
Speaker 5: I just had a movie suggestion for you and a
video game suggestion.
Speaker 3: So I have read Saint John Christis, I'm on the Jews.
I read Martin Luther on the Jews. I read John Christis,
I'm on the Jews twenty five years ago. What's up?
Speaker 15: Oh?
Speaker 1: Sorry? I get to think there's a delay or something,
but I'm.
Speaker 3: Not a delay. I'm just I'm responding to you on
the chat. Go ahead, I got you.
Speaker 1: I have a movie and a video game suggestion.
Speaker 3: Okay, real clear.
Speaker 1: I just watched the movie today, Pogonia with Emma Stone.
It's on Peacock.
Speaker 3: I've already done a video on it.
Speaker 20: Oh okay, well I missed that one, and then video
game wise, uh disco Elysium.
Speaker 1: It's like a detective art.
Speaker 3: We appreciate that, hush and not being marudam just moving on. Yeah,
we covered that last night. We have people recommending it
or two nights ago. I mean, these these people are silly. Man.
Do thinks that they had a Darwinian understanding of race
that the church Father said Darwinian understanding of race? No,
they don't tease biological determinism. Due, what's up? I'm mute, Bill, Bill,
I'm mute, Bill, I'm mute. Okay, don't whatever, Dustin? What's up?
Speaker 1: Hey, Jay?
Speaker 9: Recently some of the clip channels were posting about, you know, how.
Speaker 4: You need to make a living in the world, and
it kind.
Speaker 9: Of is making you revisit a philosophical issue I'm having personally.
I've built up like a thirteen year business of it
as an art broker, and you know, I was creatle
orthodox came back to the church really hard in the
last like twoish years.
Speaker 1: I'm reader starting to.
Speaker 9: Go back to school soon, and I'm having a hard
time like continuing being an art broker because that world
is very not godly, let's say. And the dilemma I'm
having is kind of It's been suggested to me that
I should look to work with icon writers and sell icons,
and I'm having a hard time with like profiteering off
something that is godly as someone with like a theological
and philosophical.
Speaker 1: View that I really respect. Could you offer any kind
of advice.
Speaker 3: I mean, those kinds of practical questions are things that
you would take to your spiritual father or to your priest.
But I mean, okay, I don't see why there would
be unless you're being miserly and rapacious with your monetary approach.
There's nothing wrong with making a living related to godly things.
Paul says, there's nothing wrong with that, so but I mean,
if you're not magnanimous with your profits or your gifts,
that would be the problem. But ultimately, that's a more
of a practical question that you should take up with
your spiritual father because I don't know what the art
broker world is. I don't know what that is or
what that's like. So but it's a good question. I
would say this though, that what I could say is
and I meant, I'm glad you said that that was
actually a perfect question to come up because it reminded
me of as I survey the landscape of internet idiocy
and alternative media and now alternati media being the media now,
and the idiocy of that, I'm realizing that young men
when they look to these idiots like Clavicular and all
these morons, and he's literally like Derek Zulander, right, like
people are looking to Derek Zulander for life wisdom, and
men have not been young men have not been catechized
into being young men. And did you know that the
wisdom texts are actually catechisis to help you be a
young man. And I don't just mean proverbs. Obviously, Proverbs
is something that every young man should be very familiar with.
In fact, I make it a point to constantly go
through the Proverbs, whether on audio or whatever. But also
forgotten and overlooked is the books of Wisdom. And six
years ago we did an entire lecture series through Syc
all of Syric. Okay, and young men should be familiar
with they should go through that text because there's immense
wisdom in the Books of Syric or in the Book
of sirrip So I would recommend everybody to go through
these lectures, especially if you're a young dude. Listen to
them in your headphones or whatever. Because nobody is getting wisdom,
nobody has a discernment. People are becoming absolute mega retards.
And Internet and AI and chat GPT that's contributing to this,
and no young men are being catechized, and so they
fall for just total scammer con men. They follow the taps,
they follow these glooms as their role models. I just
I'm kind of mystified, honestly, Travis, have you done analysis
the movie Team America?
Speaker 20: No?
Speaker 3: I should do that. That's a good idea. Skippy two dollars.
It's a very tone body. He looks good. He's singing
my Mormon song. Shane Alex Soren was in the chat.
He won tonight five one sixty six. You shouldn't look
s Max Mormons. You beat their shit to it. Pablo
five dollars, random question. What if a patriarch like Bartholmey
praised with Muslims but he hasn't been excommunicated, doesn't mean
he won't be? Or is that Victoria's five dollars? When
you brought me up, it removed me. It said I
couldn't connect. I don't know. Sometimes it just doesn't work.
It wasn't me, it just said it just it kept spinning.
Connect Sometimes the cell phone just like it doesn't work. Andrew,
what's your longest debate? I think the Tim Gordon debate
with Elijah Shaeffer, which was like four and a half hours,
as long as debate Anti retardism twenty dollars, Elijah Austi
forgot the site, Vatican three, Michael Jaron ten dollars, Bishop
Jay is worth ten other bishops. That's what I'm talking about,
because I'm the one true pimp Bishop. I'm the pope pimp.
What's up, man Rudolph or Randolph Radloff, I'm mute Houdi.
Speaker 5: Yeah, hey, sir, sorry about earlier at a bad connection, Okay,
but I had some questions about like orthodoxy versus like
the doctrine of the LDS Church.
Speaker 4: I grew up Mormon.
Speaker 5: I kind of left Christianity as a whole from fourteen
years old at twenty four, and to be honest, watching
your content was a big part of me coming back
to Christ in general. And I chose to go back
to the Mormon Church just because that's what my family is.
Speaker 21: Bro.
Speaker 3: You got to watch these videos where I debate the
Mormons here.
Speaker 5: But you know, there's some things that it's hard for
me to understand theologically outside of Mormonism, just because that's
what I was brought up in.
Speaker 3: M HM and.
Speaker 22: The Trinity.
Speaker 5: I watched some of your videos on the Trinity, but
it still confused me. But then I just kind of
recently went through the entire Book of Mormon and it
does seem to follow more of a Trinitarian view on
on the Godhead.
Speaker 3: Than the Book of Mormon teaches. The Book of Mormon
teaches modalism and tri theism. It contradicts and teaches both things.
But you should watch these these debates that I have
with the Mormons here because all of the key to
all the key topics about the problems with Mormonism come
up in these debates. There's there's four clips here, but one.
Speaker 5: Specifically I wanted to bring up is.
Speaker 4: That I struggle to understand.
Speaker 5: But again, this is something the Book of Mormon is
self contradicts, but it was doctor treatment was revealed later
in the church. Is that you know, the LDS Church
does not believe in ex the hero that God the Father.
Speaker 4: Did not create everything out of nothing, but he instead
kind of arrange the matter.
Speaker 1: He's our creator, I know.
Speaker 3: Right, So they teach eternal prima materia, right, it's a
Greek pagan doctrine, yep.
Speaker 5: But the reason that that kind of makes sense to me,
and maybe it's just because it's the way I was
brought up, is because and I've heard other LDS apologies.
Speaker 3: Just well you're cutting down apologizes. Watch the watch the videos.
Uh we can't hear you, you cut out? Okay? Uh
maur Kannie. Look, man, Jose Smith writes himself into g
Justesis fifty to make himself a profit. And if that's
not a kill shot, Come on, man, what's up, dude?
I'm your.
Speaker 4: Hey, how's it going on? Good?
Speaker 3: What's on your mind?
Speaker 15: Yeah?
Speaker 13: Hey, I grew up Protestant, ah a pretty extreme branch
of it, you know about stas I do. Yeah, I
would say recently, I've actually and I think I'm gonna
end up Orthodox and a large part of.
Speaker 4: That is because of you.
Speaker 3: So it's good to hear say thank you for that.
What's on your mind?
Speaker 15: Yeah?
Speaker 13: I just wanted to ask, because look, I I kind
of understand all of the philosophical arguments for Orthodoxy, but
I still have like a lot of doubts, just like
from like a, I don't know how to.
Speaker 1: Praise it exactly.
Speaker 13: I think intellectually I'm convinced all is correct, right m h,
it's just like that.
Speaker 1: Final like how do I feel about it?
Speaker 13: Which I know is not stupid, But I just wondered
if you, from example, you had like religious kind of
experiences in your life at all, or is your belief
mostly just based on.
Speaker 1: Argumentation alone.
Speaker 3: No, it's no, it's not based on argumentation. I mean
I had serious illnesses that chastisements that came and prompted
me to convert. I had uh, you know, heartwarming experiences
at church and the liturgy that helped me convert. I
mean that there's a whole panorama of things that helped
me to convert. It wasn't just intellectual. But I think
maybe sometimes people think that because I do a lot
of debating or focus on that because that's that's my field,
you know, that's the kind of the stuff I know
well well.
Speaker 23: But.
Speaker 3: There are real spiritual experiences that happen. I mean, I've
had demonic experiences, I think in my past bad ascid trip,
seeing demonic manifestations type stuff. Not like me possessed, but
like you know, experiencing and seeing stuff. But so yeah,
this stuff's real. I just don't typically make it a
subject matter of the debate or the discussion because from
the standpoint of apologetics, those are not very strong claims, right,
because every religion, every cult, every guru claims to have
powers and to have had experiences, and they just don't
hold much weight other than personal testimony. You know what
I mean when it comes to debate. Skippy red face
Lord mother mother, skip your red wake up, Lucretia, the
Chitlin's are burning. Welcome to the chad Nerds, all your
new members alter void five dollars. Someone has been watching
Candace and got the time zones wrong. I was not
watching Candace. Actually I was watching the debate. So another
reason that the stream was delayed was, well, there's no
point in doing the stream when everybody's over here watching
Alex Soren Cook Elijah Yassi.
Speaker 24: That basically Saint Photius is the pope. They said that
Saint Photius is the supreme pastor and ecumenical patriarch of
the saintly Photius, and that's I got that from de Vornik.
So don't try to say I went to some Orthodox source.
That is your own sources, Elijah, and these are your
own scholars. So what you see actually in church history
is the mono episcoacy of the Holy Orthodox Church.
Speaker 3: You see a dec I wanted to finish Alex's rebuttal
here because he said this was the kind of where
the best part it was.
Speaker 24: Federal of jurisdictions, each led by a bishop that are
in communion with the other bishops. The Bible teaches the
mono episcopacy in the pastoral epistles. Saints Timothy and Titus
have authority to ordain, to teach, to rebuke, to oversee
disciplinary hearings. It's effectually excommunications with no mention of Saint
Peter or his chair or his successors. Saint Peter taught
against the Judais.
Speaker 3: This is actually a good point because we forget the
biblical arguments for the decentralized episcopacy. Because everybody, I think
who knows a little bit of the history of this
church history etca comes to realize that the pope affirming
and confirming all the bishops. That's like eleventh twelfth century.
That's Gregreing reforms. That's way late, right. So then what's
the ecclesial model in the New Testament. Well, it's decentralized.
As Alex is pointing out here, Cole, what's up? I'm mute? Hello, Hey,
you hear me? Yeah?
Speaker 1: What's up?
Speaker 3: Kay? First, and then Cole, what's up?
Speaker 23: I was going to ask a question about Anglican theology,
but I figure you're probably gonna point me in a
video that I can very.
Speaker 4: Much google myself, So.
Speaker 23: Switching the question to a political one. I was thinking about, like,
why don't we as Christians like organize more movements or
at least in my area to kind of combat liberalism
or like the political state that the country is in.
And so I was just wondering if you had want
to know, if you had any advice on where to
draw the line as far as how far we as
Christians should get into politics or political movements, and if
that's something really worth putting your time into, or if
we should just you know, kind of don't worry about
it and just focused on Christ.
Speaker 3: And I appreciate that. I mean, it really depends on
what your gifts and your calling is right, So you
might be a person called to be involved in politics
and political life. And you know when the Church fathers,
you know we're talking to the emperors, they didn't say, oh,
you got to quit being an emperor and you've got
to become a monastic. Because if he's an emperor and
he's you know, providentially put there, I mean he could
perhaps retire and become a monastic or whatever. But people
have different callings and different vocations in life. So yeah,
if you're called to that, that's your passion, you can
be involved in that. It's just that with anything, we
got to struggle to not let the thing that's our
passion become an idol. Right, Like a lot of people
into politics, like politics is their religion, as their God
is their idol. Right. So that's that's the real principle here, Cole,
what's up?
Speaker 15: Hey?
Speaker 25: So I picked up some of the books that you've
you've referenced before, from at least some of the authors
that you've referenced, like Kissinger and Brazinski. I have a
world order, the choice and power and principle. I was wondering,
I'm kind of just starting to get into the New
World Order and Global ELITEX. So I was wondering which
out of those three do you think would be the
best to start with?
Speaker 3: Kissinger's books really boring. I didn't finish it. What's the
other one, the choice.
Speaker 25: By Brazinski Global domination or global Global Leadership?
Speaker 3: I don't have that one. I have all the other ones.
I have between two ages strategic vision, grand chess board.
So I would say I would start principle. No, I
don't have that. Sorry, okay, I would say between two
ages is a good one to start with. Rasensky all right, thanks,
I appreciate it. Yeah, I'm sorry. I don't have the
ones you were talking about. Does and what's up?
Speaker 1: Hello? Jay?
Speaker 3: Hey, what's up?
Speaker 26: What's up?
Speaker 23: Oh?
Speaker 15: By the way, about that that Chinese dude earlier, A
really good way I think you can go about that
is rather than going simping for like logic as like
a metaphysical principle, it's qualitative versus quantitative, right, I mean,
there's many ways you can go at this. I mean it's
basic semiotics, right. So there's actually not some kind of
real existing thing in the words the words only infer.
Speaker 4: A signified, which is the idea in your mind.
Speaker 15: There's actually no logical conclusion between a word and the
idea presented in your mind.
Speaker 3: When you see the word, right, that's true.
Speaker 15: And so ultimately all qualitative or sorry, quantitative isolated instances
or units of intelligibility all go back to and necessitate
this transcendental sinem the sists of experiential you know what
Kant calls it a perception, right, that is the unification
of all these transcendental properties that bring about a present
or a future or a past.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 15: And so when you get to this point, you realize,
at this point you cannot use the quantitative on the
qualitative because that's just that self refute itself.
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, I mean I think you always come with
this really high tier stuff. And the problem is that
when you're talking to these Reddit people, the challenge, it's
a challenge to get them to understand the things you're
talking about. So if you talk about a transcendental unity
of opp perception from cont they don't know where they're
They're like, what.
Speaker 15: Oh, yeah, no, absolutely, but like, uh, you know, things
like for a simple instance, is like we could talk
about ideas, right short is only informed by what's tall
far from near these types of qualitative things. Well, when
you look at these qualitative things, you then have to
realize what are the underlying metaphysical commitments that constitute a
transcendental you.
Speaker 4: Know existence right or trecidental perception?
Speaker 15: And then you realize under every reductionist claim, he is
a list of metaphysical commitments that they yes to not Yeah, so.
Speaker 3: Well that's kind of where the discussion with that guy
was starting to go, and then he didn't want to
He didn't want to go.
Speaker 15: There, but I mean literally Hume, like the last attempt
at even grounding logic was with David Hume, who it's
the relationship between ideas and now, well, when you get
to con, the relationship between ideas is a transcendental kind
of metaphysical commitment. Obviously Con doesn't go there because he
wants to say, oh, there's the.
Speaker 4: Newman is a noble.
Speaker 15: But that's what if you if you positive inner subjectivity
is actually existing, that does other subjects have my likeness right,
inner mind, minor thoughts, and that necessitates that there's some
kind of metaphysical consistency between you two that is generating
the intelligible world or life world.
Speaker 4: According to hues role.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's why I want to say on that.
Speaker 1: Also regarding the other.
Speaker 15: Guy, I was going to say that a good example
for Sayance it was Elijah and Elisha because I mean,
you can't make this up.
Speaker 4: Elijah.
Speaker 15: Remember how Elishah asked Elijah for his spirit for spirit, right,
and then after Lisa is taken up, he picks up
the mantle from Elijah which splits the waters, and then
the people come and say he has the spirit of
Elijah and then bow to him.
Speaker 4: They bow to Elijah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, there's a that's a great one. And there's uh,
Joseph bows before Pharaoh in the Masoretic text and Joshua
seven they all bow before the arc. So you're correct,
there's many bowings and reverences like that. And he's absolutely
right that when you know a lot of these, like
you know, contient stall arguments like that, you can decimate
these reddit your atheists. But the problem with the reditary
atheist people is that they don't they have no idea
what you're talking about ault void. Uh no, we did that,
Excuse me, So so remember when you're in I'm not
disagreeing with what Dazlein said. I'm just pointing out that
one of the one of the things that's the challenge
in a debate that is that you want to effectively
think about not just refuting what the guy said or
going into the minutia of metaphysics to really smash him.
You have to also think about what will be the
best reputation for the audience. That's why it's like a
double challenge when you're debating these people. And I'm saying
that because I could tell that's a young guy who's like,
you know, really hardcore philosophy got which is great. I
support that, But if you do a lot of public debates,
you'll notice that you really have to do the debate
not for yourself or for the opponent, but for the audience.
And if the debate is so high tier that the
audience is lost, it really doesn't do It doesn't affect
very much. So it's a super fine line to walk
to and I don't do it perfectly all the time.
That's the probably the hardest part of debate is doing
that up, is debating high tiered concepts and subjects in
a way that the messages conveyed to the audience. That's
the challenge. Rui sans five dollars. What's up? Thank you? Five? One,
six six says for five dollars, I'm going to the
gas station. Where should I buy a six pack of
four locos? Dude iron giant ten dollars. Apparently Egyptians in
the eighteenth dynasty mummified people. They soaked them in a
vat of water for thirty to forty five days. This
must have some fun symbolic connections in my opinion. Yeah,
they were over there pickling dog they did they pickling wiggas.
Egypt was back there pickling wiggas, getting them ready for
the pickle Eatolf convention. Shane two dollars. No, we did that,
Andrews says, Yazzie's doing damage control on X. Oh. Well,
I'm not surprised because it's already. It's already, it's already
over here heresy in X eleven, So what is we?
Only forty four minutes sentence over?
Speaker 24: Guys, that's ordinary teaching, right. He taught against the judaizer
heresy in Acts eleven. What happened four chapters later? You
have a council on the exact, literally the exact same issue,
and they sought consensus in revelation. We're taught that there
are twelve foundation stones at the church, the twelve apostles
of the Lamb.
Speaker 3: So you can't stop at Matthew sixteen.
Speaker 24: Sure, Peter was the first stone, the first foundation stone
of the church, but every single apostle is a foundation
stone of the Church, and every single apostle has the
power of the keys. Based on Matthew eighteen and your
own fourth Lattering Council, Saint Cyprian teaches that each bishop
is a Peter. He applies Matthew sixteen to every single bishop,
not just the Bishop of Rome, and he says from
this principal ordination logically flows to each bishop, that the
Church is founded on the bishops, and every movement of
the Church is steered through the governance of those same
presiding bishops. Plural, there is no bishop of bishop. Saint
Cyprian says that the Seventh Council of Carthage, every bishop,
according to the allowance of his liberty and power, has
his own proper light of judgment, and can no more
be judged by another than he himself can judge another.
And at this point he was in a dispute with
Pope Stephen and he disagreed with Pope Stephen. He just
did whatever he wants anyway, and literally nobody cared.
Speaker 3: Nobody cared.
Speaker 24: Saint Ignatius taught tomno episcopacy. He said that if you're
with the bishop, you're part of the church. He didn't
say anything about the Bishop of Rome. Saint to Rome
taught tomno episcopacy, and specifically he said that like, look there,
it is not the case that there is one church
at Rome and another in all the world. Gall in Britain, Africa, Persia,
India and the East worship blon Christ and observe one
rule of truth. If you ask for authority, the world
outweighs its capital gee gully. That shows that an ecumenical
council outweighs Rome.
Speaker 3: That's what this, by the way, is why a necumenical
council even solves the Avegne or the Great Western Schism. Right, So,
even their own tradition and solving when there was three
papal claimants proves that even then they had to rely
on nectmdical council. Aubrey, what's up? I'm mute, Aubrey, I'm
mute now, Aubrey even wait for an hour and you're
not gonna ummute okay whatever, man, lss, I'm mute.
Speaker 1: Can you hear me?
Speaker 3: Uh huh?
Speaker 22: Hey man, A big fan of yours. Man, thank you
for all the content you make. I don't have a
question about what's said Candice or Sneaker or is. I'm
gonna think all three of those things are our target.
I was gonna ask if you have seen the new
Avatar movie yet.
Speaker 3: No, I've always sawt Avatar was dumb.
Speaker 22: Yeah, this one is really dumb. There's a I'm not
even joking, it's crazy. There's and it's a Christ's story.
There's an immaculate conception of a little female girl who
has this weird tie to a goddess of this planet.
Speaker 4: It's just so strange.
Speaker 1: So I just wanted to know I've seen this.
Speaker 3: No, I don't. I mean, I just I think last
time I even thought about Avatar was when we did
Hollywood Decoded and we did a TV show episode on it,
and I haven't even thought about it. James, what's up?
Who y'all talking about in the chat? James? What's up?
I'm you.
Speaker 1: Hey?
Speaker 14: Give me just one outside.
Speaker 10: I got a couple of questions for you.
Speaker 27: So mostly around presuppositionism, because I know that's obviously your
approach to apologetics, but also it's in your background back
when you were Protestant. So my question primarily is is
the presuppositional approach to apologetics something that is has a
long tradition in uh, your Orthodox church or is that
something that you kind of brought from you know, Bonson
and van Hill and adapted to Orthodoxy after the Pact.
Speaker 3: Well, transcendental arguments have a long lifespan outside of Bonson
and van Hill. So they go back to you know,
the ancient world and can you mute when I'm talking
because there's an echo? Bro So you know that goes
back to Aristotle using rhetoration, It goes back to John
Damascus and Fount of Knowledge. The very first chapter he
does a kind of a transcendent argument, but as an
argument for God is Ventilian. But yeah, so there's the answer.
Speaker 14: Okay, fair enough, Okay, I guess the two issues that
I have with kind of the Vantilian approach, which is
what I've studied most. I'm not very familiar with you
with the Orthodox kind of side of that, But is
the circularity, which I know you've addressed but I don't
feel like you've addressed it adequately. And then the other
is sort of the dogmatic nature of Antillian apologetics, where
it feels like he basically feels that it's the only
God honoring way to do apologetics, or at least that's
how it is usually proposed.
Speaker 1: Are you on board with both of those.
Speaker 14: Aspects of presubsitional apologetics?
Speaker 3: Uh? No, I don't. I don't think the transfi argument
is necessarily tied to reformed anthropology or steriology.
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm not sure that was my question.
Speaker 3: But okay, why why was that not an answer to
your question? Restayed the first part? Yeah?
Speaker 14: Yeah, so, so, I guess one of my issues with
prest apologetics is the uh, the circular, the fallaciously circular
uh way in which it goes about things. And I
know you've sort of addressed the circularity issue.
Speaker 3: Okay, so this is an epistemic question? Then about uh
self evidence?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: So what what? So we're supposed to believe in classical foundationalism?
Speaker 1: No, so, I guess.
Speaker 14: To me, it seems that circularity only had only is
an issue in a purely syllogistic sense, right, So, if
you have a syllogism that goes in circles, that's an issue.
But as soon as you incorporate experience in the outside world,
then you actually are breaking out of that syllogism, and
then a circle is licid.
Speaker 1: It's not going to be fallaciously an issue now.
Speaker 3: So it's just a question of like it's a question
of final authorities though, right, Like so in epistemology, like
what's the final authority?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I think that is ultimate city question.
Speaker 3: Okay, So how are worldviews and paradigms not, in some
sense ultimately self referencing when it comes to the final authorities?
Speaker 1: They may be.
Speaker 14: Self referencing, but not in a purely so logistic way.
Speaker 3: Okay, But when I say circular, I'm referring to self referencing.
I'm not referring to the fallacy of circular argmentation.
Speaker 1: Okay, fair enough. So do you believe in epistemic certitude?
Speaker 3: Yeah? I think we can have I mean, to whatever
degree the highest degree of human certitude is, I don't
think it's possible. Yes, we can have that.
Speaker 14: Okay, it seems like a pretty important qualifier though, So
I guess can you.
Speaker 3: Just ask your quote? Just s put it out, dude,
to say your criticism. Quit beating around the bulls.
Speaker 14: Yeah, well it's it's it's manyfold.
Speaker 3: Okay, make one critique.
Speaker 14: Okay. So it does seem like, at how do you
justify certainty at any level apart from faith, Because my
view is that we can be we can have true
knowledge in things in the sense that we can have.
Speaker 1: We can know things on the basis of.
Speaker 14: Certain faith based presuppositions, but we have to admit that
those presubpositions are ultimately based on faith. They're not you know,
it's not some foundationalism where they just are true.
Speaker 1: They're just in the sense of proof facts.
Speaker 14: But they are faith based pre subpositions now, but being
faith based, they also must allow for some element of doubt,
otherwise they wouldn't really be faith based.
Speaker 3: And so to me, well, that's that's that's that's right there,
that's a fideistic definition of faith. Why am I supposed
to accept that?
Speaker 1: I'm not sure that it's fistic?
Speaker 3: Why does it? Why does faith? Why does it have
to have an element of doubt?
Speaker 4: Where do you get that from?
Speaker 1: So? How how would you just find faith?
Speaker 3: Why are you asking me a question? I just asked
you a question. You're going to answer with a question.
Speaker 1: Fair enough, so.
Speaker 14: The I think I'm not referring to blind faith. I'm
not just saying faith on the basis of note.
Speaker 3: Okay, how do you know that faith requires and has
some element of doubt? You just assert that, How do
we know that? Where are you getting that?
Speaker 14: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I mean that that seems to be the definition of faith.
Speaker 3: How would you define where? Where do where do you
get the definition of that from?
Speaker 14: Well, at some point definitions are are foundational?
Speaker 3: Whose definition? Where does that come from? All right, I
don't have the patience. This is my patience is going
to like explode, and so it's my I might as
well just move on, Brandon. What's up?
Speaker 15: I love?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Oh oh, I actually didn't think i'd get on here.
Speaker 26: I got it more of a question than an argument
for you, if you'd be willing to hear me out.
Speaker 3: Sure.
Speaker 26: So I started trying to get into Orthodoxy about a
year back, and.
Speaker 1: I had a lot of people that went to Greek.
Speaker 26: Orthodox Church, so I decided to go there, and so
I've been going. I've been going to the catechumen classes,
and when the Pope and the Patriarch of the Greek
Orthodox Church met.
Speaker 1: It kind of made me very uncomfortable. Yeah, asked, was
a Christmas Eve service?
Speaker 26: They did a little bit of like a mini speech,
thanking the Accumunist movement.
Speaker 1: For the work they'd been doing.
Speaker 26: And so I tried to find an alternative Orthodox church
and the only one I found was one Russian one,
and I worked with a Russian girl and I asked
her what she was doing or if she had been
going to church. She said she did when she first
moved here. But the priest she had invited her to
her home and he had a putin picture on his wall,
and so that kind of made me uncomfortable with going
in there. And I live in the middle of nowhere
and all churches are hours away.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, if somebody has a picture on the wall,
why would that? This sounds like a troll? A putin
picture on the wall made you uncomfortable? Come on, dude, Cory,
what's up? Andrew? Two dollars? What do you think of
to do? Wa Ja Sizua day and Aigan? I didn't
did they debate? I don't even know. I don't have
any thoughts on it. Andrew, if you can hardly handle
four to five hours debating Howell Alice Jones handled Ben
Shapiro for ten hours. Ben Sapiro's never under that Suko
five dollars, didn't you know? Jay? The Nuremberg documentation is
authoritative and binding. Exactly. That was from that question like
an hour ago. Christopher Scott twenty dollars. I wanted to
thank you, Jim, Bob Andrew FDA. You helped me become
worthodox kind of kimmin for a couple of months now. Oh,
thank you, Christopher. Glad to hear that. Corey, what's up man?
Speaker 4: Could you hear me?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Amen?
Speaker 20: Hey, I just want to thank you too. I got
baptized on eighteenth, But I got a couple of things
for you.
Speaker 23: Yeah.
Speaker 20: I was wondering if you saw the trailer for the
Those is the Black movie?
Speaker 3: Uh? I saw they were doing that. I haven't seen
the trailer yet.
Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely check out the trailer. Father Father Turbo's in there. Yeah, yeah,
he's pretty awesome.
Speaker 20: Second thing I got too is I follow a page
on Instagram called uh Orthodoks growing in in the bout
Six days ago he posted like a couple of screen
grabs of thin fantas being a cat boy and having
a thing with destiny like some pretty uh skittle stuff.
So I don't know if you saw that at all.
Speaker 3: I mean that's been going around the internet for for years.
That's like six, six or seven years old.
Speaker 20: Yeah, I just saw this.
Speaker 13: I'm like, what, all right?
Speaker 3: All right?
Speaker 1: Thanks many, appreciate you.
Speaker 10: Brother.
Speaker 3: Let's see.
Speaker 17: He who lives by the sort, she has die by
the sort.
Speaker 3: Have a sense. We did a fifty pay for this movie.
That's crazy. It always wanted to meet out justice. You
can find me in the club.
Speaker 1: How do you want to meet out justice while be out.
Speaker 3: Here doing what we do?
Speaker 6: Well, you're free now, Oh world is yours?
Speaker 1: What stup?
Speaker 3: The world is mine?
Speaker 1: I'm getting out.
Speaker 3: My feet is my feet.
Speaker 1: It's my fault.
Speaker 3: Son, I failed you. You ain't feel me.
Speaker 1: I've got nothing to do with you.
Speaker 3: Is that Mickey Pfeiffer? No, who is that? Cuabo?
Speaker 9: A raighteous man would integrat down it's hated and persecuted.
Speaker 1: But a criminal would integrity.
Speaker 3: Some pockalyps criminal would integrat. That's that's this movie about me.
By the way, I might be in a movie soon too.
Speaker 28: By the way, I can't let Father Turbo get more
movie crad than me.
Speaker 3: Right now. You know what I'm saying. So this looks
pretty good. I heard that it's about a guy converting,
not about for most of the black, but I'm assuming
it relates to the Orthodox right.
Speaker 13: He's with them.
Speaker 3: All my apps not make you fine? Yeah, I thought that. Yeah,
is he in the trailer? Go and sit. Oh he's
an Orthodox or it's cool and your sell we'll teach you. Evity,
I'm trying not to like a copyright. Dang, it's what
I'm skipping around. Where's he at in the trailer? I
didn't see him.
Speaker 20: You always see him literally for like one or two seconds.
So some some somewhere when they're when they're sitting inside
the church.
Speaker 3: Okay, let me see secret.
Speaker 1: Go and sit in your cell and yoursell will teach
you everything.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well it looks cool. Dude. Still I don't seeing him,
but yeah, I definitely want to see that. I appreciate that. Dude.
I'm glad you reminded me of that because I meant
to check that trailer out and I forgot.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 3: I will be the comic relief in a movie coming up.
By the way, I'm serious. I'm being one hundredercent serious.
I mean unless they cut me from it and I
don't get the part or whatever. Anything is possible but failure.
What's up? Man?
Speaker 1: Can you hear me?
Speaker 9: Hey?
Speaker 23: Ja?
Speaker 4: So quick question?
Speaker 29: Have you heard or seen anything from the Matt Walsh
look like Joel Webbon and what do you think about him?
Speaker 3: I know of him. I've not seen anything other than
when they did that podcast trying to refute orthodoxy by
complaining about it as a cultural fad. That's the only
thing I've seen.
Speaker 1: Oh, okay, No, I was just sorry.
Speaker 4: I was just wondering.
Speaker 29: Also, one other slight comment from an earlier color the
guy who was talking about the Jewish race and upsets
and over that does he not realize because he said.
Speaker 4: That he read the Church Fathers You didn't really?
Speaker 29: Yeah, No, It's like literally, Christian race is like thrown around.
Speaker 3: I know they said the Christian race, and I'm like
they're using it in that spiritual collective sense exactly, exactly.
Thank you, Dark Eye G twenty six twenty dollars don't
be cheap. Everybody support Jay's goal Orthobro for life. What's up?
Dark Eye?
Speaker 21: He So, I have a question kind of stemming more
from a tag and if I'm trying to go against
the prost and make the argument that God needs to
leave behind a normative authority otherwise logic cannot exist.
Speaker 1: How would I kind of make that?
Speaker 3: I don't. Yeah, I don't think those two things. Those
are two separate things, normative authority and tag and I
just I don't think those are the same things. So
I would I wouldn't go that route. Leon. What's up, dude.
I'm not trying to be rude. It's it's getting late
and I'll get a little a little a little tired.
What's up, man, Leon?
Speaker 1: I could hear me?
Speaker 3: Uh huh uh.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I just had a question.
Speaker 30: So I just finished watching the Alex arn debate for myself,
So I just had a question about like papal apologetics
for the papacy.
Speaker 1: So basically, like when Yasi was like arguing that Leo.
Speaker 30: At Calcadon he thought his tone was.
Speaker 20: Ex cathedra and he used that as like evidence for
his position. So I was just wondering, like, what doesn't matter.
Speaker 30: If he thought it was ex cathedra, if the council
itself looked over it and compared it to Cyril and
then accepted it instead of just binding to it, so like,
what's the point of that?
Speaker 3: I agree, And also, I mean UBI already challenged Ibarra
on that years ago, and a borrow backed off of it.
I think if you go to Ubi's blog and type
in leo tone, he went after a barrow up years
ago and then to borrow backed. So it's funny to
me that Elijah Yasti's like recycling like twenty seventeen arguments.
That's why I said he's so low tier dude. So
UBI dealt with this like six years ago, Alex said.
Leo said the council made the tone more authoritative. I
read that section in letter twenty. Yeah, that's good. But
also I'm pretty sure at Bora, I'm going into the lore.
I'm pretty sure it borrow backed off of that like
by twenty twenty two or so, but I might be misremembering.
That's I don't remember. Gab.
Speaker 31: What's up, dude, Geb, I mean GiB.
Speaker 3: GiB, I'm can you hear me?
Speaker 28: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I just sorry, I just really quickly.
Speaker 15: I just want to jump in because to sell you're alive,
and I want to let you know that some stuff
in Venezuela's happening looks like we're going to war.
Speaker 1: Where's they're bombing stuff?
Speaker 4: That's all I had to say. Sorry to interrupt, but
just thought.
Speaker 3: I you are you being You're joking or being serious?
Speaker 1: No, I'm being serious.
Speaker 3: There's going to war like in what sense? Like you Okay,
appreciate it. I'll check. I'll check that out. Thanks. Man.
I thought I thought today we were talking about Iran,
but it's now it's Venezuela. I mean, the US isn't
going to go to war with I'm not saying he's wrong.
I'm saying like that we're not gonna have a real
war with with Venezuela. Like, let's see, is this breaking news?
Candice Owens claims Charlie kirk assassination was a CIA SI out. Well,
but didn't you know that the guy called in earlier
and said no, they never she never said this, No
one ever, No one ever claimed this. I mean that
guy said that, no one claimed it. So what they've
consistently done in this whole debacle is say something, walk
it back, say they never claimed it, over and over
and over and over. I mean this is all like,
it's all as but we've not seen solid proof or
evidence and I'm a conspiracy theorist since nineteen ninety eight, y'all.
I don't have a problem saying that the CIA organizes
assassinations and could have organized this too, but you got
to have actual proof of it. You can't just assert it.
Even though I have no problem criticizing TPUSA saying that
it's all like evangelical scam nonsense, I absolutely believe that
I've been critiquing that stuff, Calvary Chapel's CAIA stuff for
a decade and more. But that's not the same thing
as showing and demonstrating it. That's the key point here
is that when you're new to this stuff, you suddenly
think everything is a conspiracy. And I'm speaking as a
person who woke up to conspiracies in nineteen ninety eight,
ninety nine, two thousand and There is a an arc
that you go through when you first start to question
and realize these things are sus, you then immediately think
everything is sus. I've been lied to in my life
about every single thing, so now everything is a giant
CIA masad a zionis conspiracy. It's not. Many things are
legitimate conspiracies, But the problem is that you have to
go into the nitty gritty and spend your time, just
like with the theological stuff. Right. You might sense and
feel that you understand the Bible perfectly, and you're a Protestant,
and you read it and it makes perfect sense to
you and you got it all figured out, but there's
giant gaps in your understanding. Trust me, I had all
these same mistakes and gaps when I started reading the
Bible at age eighteen. I didn't know anything about how
the Bible came together. The cannon. Okay, in my twenties,
I started to read a lot about that, and I realized, Man,
I didn't know anything about this. I thought I had
it figured out. I thought I knew it. Acts two
meant I thought that was Pentecostal charismatic stuff when I
was nineteen. I was wrong. So new to conspiracy stuff.
Candace is fresh to this stuff only in the last
few years. So the most charitable interpretation, she's newly conspiracy pilled,
and she's believe in everything without actual proof, logic and documentation,
and the fact that she's going against Zionism and criticizing
that and y'ah and all that. That's I agree with that,
but that doesn't mean that the claims and the assertions
and these ridiculous witnesses are anything but destroying her credibility,
as Alex accurately says and has consistently accurately said the
whole time, Mitch Snow is why people are upset. No
one I know, including myself, has ever bought the official
Kirk story. Yes we did livestreams questioning it right away.
And it's so insane to me that the whole discussion
has become you are covering up for TPUSA and Zionism
because you don't support Candace. That is so stupid. That
is literally the most low IQ fallacy crap ever. Dude,
I can criticize Candace and also be critical of Zionism
and nen Yahoo. It's not in either or this this
I can't believe people are this stupid, but they are.
And it's just like that guy that Alex had on
I think he replayed it today, this veteran guy. He
made the exact same points that I made and have
been making for two weeks, three weeks. This guy here,
this is a great interview here, Well, that's the guy
talking about Somali's I'm not familiar with this guy, I'm
not supporting everything. I'm just saying that. In his critique
the Screen Beret Guy, he points out how silly the
claims are about the way this assassination was plotted and
planned and all the mitch nows nonsense. It's just retarded, dude.
It doesn't even stand up to basic critical thinking. And
then people are like, the only reason that you would
cover this up and not support Candida is because you're
resigning this. That is the dumbest thing ever. That's like
George Bush saying, if you're not with Usher with the Terrish,
either with Esherre with the Terrorish, uh No, that's a fallacy.
I can be against both of you. Like, what are
you talking about? That's the level of where we're at.
That's why this is so insane and sad and pathetic, dude.
That is that the discourse has become so stupid and
people are so low tier. I wish you put up
the interview with just with that, dude, because that was.
Speaker 1: This is I think this is it actuality.
Speaker 3: You don't see it doesn't mean it's.
Speaker 1: Is this it?
Speaker 13: This is it?
Speaker 3: Yes, this one right here, Former Green Bray Gary Melton,
if you listen to this interview, the way that he
responded and critiqued what canvas or cannabis canvas was saying,
this was a really good response. I'll put the link
right here.
Speaker 1: In the chat.
Speaker 3: It's a two hour podcast, but I recommend that one.
And anyway, we got a lot of super chats here.
Let's see Protestants shin bones ten dollars. Protestants who claim
I believe in Christianity because of all the historical evidences,
because of the for the Bible, but they ignore the
rest of history of the Church. It's like, why would
I listen to any of the history. Yeah, if you're
not going to care about church history, which was involved
in putting the Bible together, why would you listen to
any history. It doesn't make any sense. Rachel Wilson, She
says Candice fans with a cue quandas fans are news,
they've not seen these patterns play out, like A. A
lot of us have trying to be patient with him,
but it is difficult. Yea, it is, especially when all
these bots are just like saying the most insane crazy stuff.
Have you ever been to jail?
Speaker 1: I have not.
Speaker 3: I got questioned about buying a beer one time, underaged
by the police. And I freaked out and I was like,
uh no, I mean I wasn't buying the beer. I
had a friend that the one that passed away. His
older brother bought the beer. And we got questioned by
the cops one time and they asked me, has your
friend hooked you up with beer through his older brother?
And I said no, But I lied to the police
when I was seventeen, So there you go. There's there's
the big criminal operation that I was involved by getting
my buddy's older brother to buyas beer. And then I
freaked out because the cop I was And what happened
was I was more scared of my dad because my
dad heard that the cop was gonna ask me about
getting the underage beer, and I was my dad said,
if you if them cops bust you, he says, I'll
beat your ass worse than the cops will ever do
anything to you. I was more afraid of my dad
than the cops. So I was like, now I don't
know about no beers. There you go, you got me.
I'm busted. Allied to the policeman in twenty two, or
let's say that was nineteen ninety five, so that's that's
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zeit guys, zeit guys, dude, that shit's who believes that
crab dude? That's old. I think, by the way, didn't
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ago contemporary companion two dollars. The triple crown of the
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That was good Jay day jaire eight dollars. It's a
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to that part yet, but that sounds awesome. Who's your
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Speaker 28: Before fifteen hundred Photius? Same Photius hushed towns five dollars.
Speaker 3: When my wife was in labor, the priest instructed us
how to perform baptism on the sun in emergency. Interesting,
are you talking about Orthodox or Catholic? DJ twenty dollars?
Thank you for your work. A lot of content from
you in the Orthodox community.
Speaker 1: That's great.
Speaker 3: I'm a former Pantecostal, I'm currently orthod. I was kind
of kum and it's great. A lot of spiritual warfare
surrounding my conversion. That's everybody, man, So don't get discouraged
because it happens to everybody. Sincere hypocriphi dollars. Ironically, the
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is similar to asking Protestants how they know what determines
scriptural canonicity. It's really just in their personal mind exactly.
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a Protestant papist anti retardism. Twenty dollars. Elijia Yassi forgot
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the deasy scrolls hold value in that they vindicate like
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be Scott, five dollars for your patience. Unk, looks like
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Hush tones, five dollars. I'm orthodox. My superchat was regarding Augustine.
The Augustine caller. Okay, thank you, Yeah, I understand. Now
let's see here, we'll get more making sure I hit
all the super chests. People get really mad if you
miss one Blockhead ten dollars, Jay, thank you. You once
said that there's nothing but evidence for Christianity. I found
myself doubting Christianity. I wonder it. Could you help me
with that? Do you have any evidence or or you
have any advice when it comes to praying for people
and trying to help them see the truth. I mean
praying for people and you know, doubtless you know, they're
different things, separate topics. But I would say, uh, you know,
watch the tag stuff for the doubt stuff, and uh,
you know, go to the liturgy, Andrew says. Or two dollars.
Do you know more about geopolitics or theology and philosophy?
I would say in my life I've probably put more
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over the geopolitics for sure. M colin says, what's a
good book to spiritually understand what the dox theology?
Speaker 1: More?
Speaker 3: Well, there's uh books are disappearing Spiritual Illnesses three volume
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to let's finish this real quick, to Rome Tat.
Speaker 24: That's what Augustin taught because he never addressed my Augustine quote,
because that's assistant level defeating.
Speaker 6: That is time.
Speaker 3: Because let's see, I'm getting so tired. I've already forgot
when I was gonna look up while were we looking up,
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we did that, Bob Dog ten dollars. I appreciate the
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Happy New Year, Jay, God bless you. Hey you too, man,
longtime super chatter, are welcome. Glad to see you back
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Speaker 28: What's the compre as a book on orthodoxology? A good
starting one is Palmazanski's Orthodox Dogmatics.
Speaker 3: Meat Pill five dollars. I'm the putin pick guy. To me,
it's signified a higher loyalty to the government. I mean
having a picture on the wall is like, we're not Protestants, man, Like,
that doesn't mean that we worship because we have a
picture of the wall. Victor of three dollars. Yeah, I
appreciate your contribution to exiting my exiting of Protestant dispensationalism.
I'm an engineer. Would you recommend I work in defense
despite its ties? I don't think most Orthodox priests are
going to tell you to stop working in military work.
I mean, if It really just depends on exactly what
you're doing. And you know that's that's a that's a
call that you would make, you know, kind of with
your spiritual father. So most of the time, you know,
people understand that you got to make a living in
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stream is its own unique little creature, you know what
I mean. And uh, I kind of like the stream
of consciousness, the random you never know what you're gonna get.
It's just kind of wild West. I kind of like that.
But we will go back to Burtonhurst book. We will
do more of that. I'm just getting too tired now.
We did get through most of the early part forty
five minutes of the Yass's Soaring debate, we didn't really
get the stranger things. Maybe I'll do that later.