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<v Speaker 1>It's Night Side with Dan Ray on WBS Boston's news radio.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you very much. Al As we move into the

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<v Speaker 2>nine o'clock hour, there was a really interesting story in

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<v Speaker 2>the Boston Globe today, written by James Vazness of the

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<v Speaker 2>Globe's staff. You can find it if you have your

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<v Speaker 2>globe on B one of the Globe, which is the

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<v Speaker 2>first page of the Metro section. And before we get

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<v Speaker 2>to a guest who we have lined up and some

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<v Speaker 2>phone calls, I want to set this up because I

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<v Speaker 2>think it's a I think the story is bizarre. You

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<v Speaker 2>may agree or disagree with me, whatever your feelings, you're

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<v Speaker 2>more than welcome. The headline of the story is Burlington

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<v Speaker 2>parents express outrage over detailed sex questions in middle school

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<v Speaker 2>health survey. Fair enough, Burlington parents express outrage. It's the

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<v Speaker 2>Globe headline over detailed sex questions in middle school health survey.

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<v Speaker 2>So this is a survey that is close to one

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<v Speaker 2>hundred page, one hundred questions long, okay, and a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of it is interesting in terms of, you know, questions

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<v Speaker 2>that you might expect. The first question is what grade

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<v Speaker 2>are you in now? Sixth, seventh or eighth. These are

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<v Speaker 2>middle school students sixth, seventh or eighth. You cannot find

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<v Speaker 2>this survey on the Burlington School Department, at least I'm

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<v Speaker 2>told by my producer it was taken down. Okay. The

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<v Speaker 2>introduction says, Student Characteristics twenty twenty five Burlington Middle School Survey.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to what I kind of figure out is

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<v Speaker 2>who made these questions up? Okay? The next questions ask

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<v Speaker 2>you about background. The information being collected is used to

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<v Speaker 2>describe the types of students taking the survey. Information will

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<v Speaker 2>not be collected to find out your name or identify

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<v Speaker 2>individual students. Again. Question one, what grade are you in now?

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<v Speaker 2>Sixth seventh or eighth? I think that means when you're

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<v Speaker 2>in the sixth, seventh and eighth grade, you're probably like ten, eleven, twelve,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe maybe thirteen years old. Correct me if I'm wrong.

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<v Speaker 2>They ask how old are you? Ten years or younger? Eleven, twelve, thirteen, fourteen,

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<v Speaker 2>or fifteen. If you're in the eighth grade and you're

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<v Speaker 2>fifteen years old, that means you're not going to be

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<v Speaker 2>graduating from high school until you're at least nineteen anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>so they describe the question three is about The next

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<v Speaker 2>question ask about your gender identity. This is a very

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<v Speaker 2>important question for kids who are in the sixth, seventh

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<v Speaker 2>and eighth grade. Gender identities is how you see yourself.

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<v Speaker 2>You can see yourself as male, female, a mixer, both,

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<v Speaker 2>or neither. It can be the same or different from

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<v Speaker 2>the sex you were assigned at birth. Here are some

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<v Speaker 2>helpful terms. Cis gender describes a personal feels that gender

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<v Speaker 2>identity matches the sex that a doctor assigned to them

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<v Speaker 2>at birth. If you're in the sixth grade, you think

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<v Speaker 2>you understand that, I don't know. Trenchgender describes a person

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<v Speaker 2>who feels their gender identity is different from the sex

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<v Speaker 2>that a doctor assigned them at birth. Non Binary describes

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<v Speaker 2>people whose gender doesn't fit into just male or female.

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<v Speaker 2>Gender queer describes people whose gender does and that's traditional roles.

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<v Speaker 2>Many gender queer people use pronouns like they or them Again,

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<v Speaker 2>I understand it. You probably understand that. Remember, the people

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<v Speaker 2>who are filling out this form are six seventh and

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<v Speaker 2>eighth graders. I don't know if this was run by parents,

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<v Speaker 2>So they ask which of the following terms best described

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<v Speaker 2>You're current your current important adjective gender identity, because there

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<v Speaker 2>it could be one some one today and a different

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<v Speaker 2>one tomorrow. We understand that there are many different ways

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<v Speaker 2>you may identify. Please click the pick the one that

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<v Speaker 2>best describes you. Here are the choices, sisgender girl or woman. Again,

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<v Speaker 2>these are sixth, seventh and eighth graders. I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>too many women who are in the sixth seventh or

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<v Speaker 2>eighth grade sis gender boy or man. I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>how many men are in the sixth seventh and eighth grade.

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<v Speaker 2>Transgender girl or woman, transgender boy or girl, non binary

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<v Speaker 2>or gender queer. There's another category questioning. Then there's a

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<v Speaker 2>separate category. I don't know what this question means. If

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<v Speaker 2>I was in the sixth or seventh and eighth grade,

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<v Speaker 2>I certainly would have known what it meant. And then

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<v Speaker 2>I prefer not to answer. So then they break it down,

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<v Speaker 2>what sex well you assigned at birth? Now we've we've

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<v Speaker 2>switched from gender to sex, which is going to confuse

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of kids. But that's okay. What sex we

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<v Speaker 2>aside that birth on your original birth certificate? Male? Female?

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<v Speaker 2>I prefer not to answer. Which of the following best

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<v Speaker 2>describes your sexual orientation. Now we're getting into this, okay.

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<v Speaker 2>We understand that there are many different ways you may

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<v Speaker 2>identify please pick the one that best describes you. Straight

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<v Speaker 2>or heterosexual, lesbian or gay, asexual, bisexual, pan sexual, queer, questioning,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know what this question means. I prefer not

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<v Speaker 2>to answer. Then they ask the kids about their race.

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<v Speaker 2>What language do you speak at home? And the next

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<v Speaker 2>question is there at least one teacher or adult in

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<v Speaker 2>your school that you can talk to if you have

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<v Speaker 2>a problem. Okay, then I'm not going to get to everything,

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<v Speaker 2>but I do want to get to sexual behaviors. This

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<v Speaker 2>is question eighty one. They ask about your drug use.

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<v Speaker 2>What do you use? I mean, you know, kids in

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<v Speaker 2>the sixth, seventh and eighth grade call me naive, but

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I'm assuming kids in the sixth, seventh and

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<v Speaker 2>eighth grade, for the most part don't use drugs. Some

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<v Speaker 2>probably do that you probably can figure that out if

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<v Speaker 2>you're a smart teacher. Sexual behaviors this is this gets

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<v Speaker 2>a little uncomfortable. So if it makes you uncomfortable, think

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<v Speaker 2>about what it does to a sixth seventh or eighth grader.

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<v Speaker 2>The next question asked about sexual behaviors, and we're going

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<v Speaker 2>to get to my guests right away after these two questions.

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<v Speaker 2>Question eighty one, have you ever had sexual contact with

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<v Speaker 2>another person. Sexual contact includes things such as kissing, touching,

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<v Speaker 2>and sexual intercourse. Pretty straightforward, Yes, no, I'm not sure, okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Question eighty two hours We're getting real, real, real, getting

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<v Speaker 2>deep here. Have you ever had sexual intercourse? They got

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<v Speaker 2>to explain what sexual intercourse is to these sixth, seventh,

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<v Speaker 2>and eighth graders. Why don't they give them, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>a good course on you know, sex education. Sexual intercourse

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<v Speaker 2>includes vaginal sex, which is when a penis goes inside

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<v Speaker 2>of vagina, of vagina, oral sex, when there is contact

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<v Speaker 2>between the mouth and genitals. Anal sex, which is when

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<v Speaker 2>a penis goes inside in anus parentheses, but in use

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<v Speaker 2>of toys of props, vaginal or anal? Yes or no?

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<v Speaker 2>Question eighty three how old were you when you had

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<v Speaker 2>sexual in course for the first time? Eight years? Are younger?

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<v Speaker 2>Nine years, ten years, eleven years, twelve years, thirteen year older?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean most kids are going to say, well, I

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<v Speaker 2>gotta put down I got to answer this question somewhay here.

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<v Speaker 2>There's no option to say, well, I've never had sexual intercourse.

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<v Speaker 2>Question eighty four, The last time you had sexual in

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<v Speaker 2>course did you use a condom? Eighty five question, have

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<v Speaker 2>you ever sent or received sexual messages or nude or

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<v Speaker 2>semi nude pictures of videos electronically by phone, computer, tablet,

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<v Speaker 2>or other device. This is why the town of Burlington

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<v Speaker 2>is upset and with us. Is Mike King, President of

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<v Speaker 2>the Massachusetts Family in stude. Mike, I kind of imagine

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<v Speaker 2>why anyone would be upset with the kids being given

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<v Speaker 2>this this survey. Was this cleared with parents ahead of time? Mike?

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<v Speaker 3>He did?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, thanks for so much. This is outrageous. I'm glad

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<v Speaker 4>you took the times to reference those so I didn't

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<v Speaker 4>have to reference them myself.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure, I took that. I took that burden off your shoulders. Wow, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>we're parents notify this. Did kids have a chance to

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<v Speaker 2>opt out of this or did parents have a chance

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<v Speaker 2>to opt their kids?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 4>I mean so, they absolutely an oportunity to opt out,

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<v Speaker 4>and many of them did opt out. And one of

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<v Speaker 4>the most outrageous things about this story is that parents

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<v Speaker 4>opted their kids out of this survey and it was

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<v Speaker 4>still given to their kids. So there have been compelled

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<v Speaker 4>hold on, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Want to make sure I understood this. So they sent

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<v Speaker 2>it home to the parents for the parents to read

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<v Speaker 2>and gave the parents an opportune you need to opt

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<v Speaker 2>out on behalf of their their sixth, seventh, and eighth graders.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, so it's not my understanding that the actual survey

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<v Speaker 4>went home, but it did go through one of the

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<v Speaker 4>apps that the school provides saying that there was going

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<v Speaker 4>to be this this youth survey, right, and I can

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<v Speaker 4>and you can imagine that parents are getting inundated with

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<v Speaker 4>messages right about what's going on at school, and so

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<v Speaker 4>many parents missed the uh, you know, the heads up

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<v Speaker 4>about the survey. But there were parents that did see

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<v Speaker 4>it and opted their kids out. So that's why our

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<v Speaker 4>Massachusetts Liberty Legal Center, which is a part of MFI,

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<v Speaker 4>filed complaints because there's federal law that says that you

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<v Speaker 4>cannot do this. You cannot give a survey where a

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<v Speaker 4>kid a parent has already opted out. So formal complaints

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<v Speaker 4>have been made. And if there's more brilliant comparents that

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<v Speaker 4>are listening to you tonight, I encourage them to look

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<v Speaker 4>up the Massachusetts Liberty Center on theline. We'd be happy

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<v Speaker 4>to make more complaints on your behalf.

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<v Speaker 2>So just so I understand, I'm kind of old fashioned.

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<v Speaker 2>So in the old days when something of some controversy

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<v Speaker 2>was going on, oh, like a field trip to an

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<v Speaker 2>apple orchard in like October. You would come bring home

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<v Speaker 2>a note from the teacher and the parent would have

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<v Speaker 2>to sign the note to give you permission to go

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<v Speaker 2>on the trip to the apple orchard. And of course

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<v Speaker 2>every kid wanted to go on the trip, because that

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<v Speaker 2>way you'd have to sit in class all day and

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<v Speaker 2>be bored. You could be in an apple organ in

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<v Speaker 2>a beautiful day in October, and the worst thing you

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<v Speaker 2>could happen to you there is maybe some bee might

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<v Speaker 2>give you a little sting on the arm or something,

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<v Speaker 2>if it's one of those days where the bees were active.

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<v Speaker 2>But parents got a note at home, they read it

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<v Speaker 2>and they sent it back. So the Burlington school didn't

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<v Speaker 2>do that. They just sent it out as an app.

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<v Speaker 2>Like parents, double income, double working parents have enough time

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<v Speaker 2>to go home and say, sweetheart, we're going to check

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<v Speaker 2>this see if there's any apps about whether our kids

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<v Speaker 2>is using sex toys. So let's let's look at the apps.

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<v Speaker 5>Really yeah, I mean, parents have what's called a parent

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<v Speaker 5>square app, right, I mean one parent said that they

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<v Speaker 5>had received twenty five notifications in one day.

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<v Speaker 4>Regarding what was going on at school. So you can imagine,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, this one thing that goes out on this

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<v Speaker 4>survey and again it talks about this, you know, youth survey,

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<v Speaker 4>so you don't really have this idea that it's talking

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<v Speaker 4>about sex or your gender identity or your sexu orientation.

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<v Speaker 4>And so blindsided so many parents, and that's why they're

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<v Speaker 4>so upset. Not just they were blindsided, but then especially

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<v Speaker 4>those that opt out, and then you know, they were

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<v Speaker 4>almost forced their kids were still forced to take this survey.

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<v Speaker 4>So it's incredibly you know, parents are outraged, as they

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<v Speaker 4>should be. But I want your listeners to know that

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<v Speaker 4>this isn't just in Burlington where this is happening. This

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<v Speaker 4>is happening. We know the same survey as being given

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<v Speaker 4>in Wilmington, one town over, and then towns and cities

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<v Speaker 4>across Massachusetts are having surveys like that.

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<v Speaker 2>And I assume that, and Mike, I got to take

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<v Speaker 2>a commercial break here, but I just want to ask

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<v Speaker 2>one question. I'm assuming that there's some company out there

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<v Speaker 2>who has some prurient interest in finding out what kids

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<v Speaker 2>the ages of ten, eleven, and twelve know and do,

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<v Speaker 2>and they're.

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<v Speaker 4>Being big bucks.

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<v Speaker 2>No what I'm saying, there's some group out there that

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<v Speaker 2>call me old fashioned, but this is really outrageous. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>my wait, do they what do they do next? Do

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<v Speaker 2>what they could do is uh and show the kids

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<v Speaker 2>are accurately described. I mean, this is insane. Mike. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>We'll handle the callers. The only line that is open

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<v Speaker 2>right now is six one seven, nine, three one ten thirty.

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<v Speaker 2>Mike King, who is the president of the Massachusetts Family Institute.

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<v Speaker 2>And wow, this this is way over the top. I

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<v Speaker 2>mean I can be critical of things, but this if

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<v Speaker 2>that was if this was given to my sound or

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<v Speaker 2>the next morning. I guarantee you that we'll be back

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<v Speaker 1>You're on Night Side with Dan Ray on w b Z,

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<v Speaker 1>Boston's news radio.

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<v Speaker 2>We're talking about a Burlington, Massachusetts, middle school student survey.

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<v Speaker 2>And uh, if you read the global article, congratulations to

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<v Speaker 2>the Boston Globe for putting this story in a prominent spot,

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<v Speaker 2>page B one, which is the metro section. Burlington parents

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<v Speaker 2>express OUTRAGEO of a detailed sex questions in middle school survey.

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<v Speaker 2>And the reporter on the story and the editor, the reporter,

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<v Speaker 2>James Vaznis. I hope I'm pronounced James's name correctly. We

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<v Speaker 2>this time, but would the letter to be joined by

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<v Speaker 2>Mike King, president of the Massachusetts Family Institute. Let's get

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<v Speaker 2>to phone calls. Mike, I suspect most people are going

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<v Speaker 2>to be on your side. Let's let's get it going.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me go to Jamie in Burlington. Jamie, I appreciate

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<v Speaker 2>your calling in. Are you a parent in the Burlington

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<v Speaker 6>Yes? I am a parent in the Burlington school system,

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<v Speaker 6>and I actively came out to speak at the school

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<v Speaker 6>committee meeting because I'm not sure that a lot of

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<v Speaker 6>parents are aware of this type of survey, and that

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<v Speaker 6>Mike is correct. There are ten districts and the questions

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<v Speaker 6>come from the john Snow Ink, which, from my understanding

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<v Speaker 6>was each town with a grant with Lahy, but each

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<v Speaker 6>town paid the john Snow Inc. A total of seven

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<v Speaker 6>thousand dollars for this survey.

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<v Speaker 2>So you mentioned that name of a hold on, Jamie,

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<v Speaker 2>hold on for a second. You've mentioned the name of

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<v Speaker 2>a company called something john snow Ink. Where is that

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<v Speaker 2>a Massachusetts company? If you know, and if you don't.

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<v Speaker 6>That's I don't think it's a Massachusetts.

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<v Speaker 2>We can we can let that go.

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<v Speaker 6>It was based off the and then the john Snow Inc.

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<v Speaker 2>We can let we can let that go. Jamie. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>much more interested in your reaction when you found out,

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<v Speaker 2>did you have you have a son or a daughter

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<v Speaker 2>in the sixth seventh or eighth grade? Right?

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<v Speaker 6>I have no. I actually have a daughter who's a

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<v Speaker 6>that content at her age was an outrageous over overreach.

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<v Speaker 2>Was this survey given to Is this survey given to

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<v Speaker 2>high school students as well? I'm confused. I thought it

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<v Speaker 2>was just a middle school.

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<v Speaker 6>Yes, it was given through gades middle schools. It was

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, Well, the one that that I was that we

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<v Speaker 2>have a copy of, and I can't tell you where

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<v Speaker 2>we got the copy, but the one that we that

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<v Speaker 2>we have a copy of, it says the twenty twenty

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<v Speaker 2>five Burlington Middle School Survey, and it says what grade

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<v Speaker 2>are you in? Now, that's why I asked. I read

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<v Speaker 2>the first question six seventh or eighth? So what I've

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<v Speaker 2>read was what was given a sixth seventh and eighth graders?

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<v Speaker 2>Whether or not there was a second Burlington High School

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<v Speaker 2>survey which was identical or not, we don't know what

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<v Speaker 2>is the school? So there was a school committee, meaning

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<v Speaker 2>you said, when was that.

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<v Speaker 6>There was one on April first, and there was also

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<v Speaker 6>second one on April eighth.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, what are the school committee members saying? Are they

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<v Speaker 2>concerned about this? Are they telling you, oh, please, don't

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<v Speaker 2>don't worry about this is fine? What's their position?

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<v Speaker 6>Zero transparency? We've gotten kind of zero transparency in many

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<v Speaker 6>of the questions for the parents that came out and

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<v Speaker 6>spoke and wanted answers, they were not transparent at all.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, the only thing I could say, the only thing

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<v Speaker 2>I could say to you, Jamie, and I got to

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<v Speaker 2>jump off here because we have a bunch of callers,

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<v Speaker 2>I would hope that if you and other parents feel

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<v Speaker 2>you're not being well served by your school committee, this

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<v Speaker 2>is an abject lesson that government affects you most impactfully

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<v Speaker 2>at the closest level. You can vote for president, you

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<v Speaker 2>can vote for governor, and you can vote for senator.

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<v Speaker 2>But it's the school committee and the town city council

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<v Speaker 2>or the board of aldermen. And I hope that if

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<v Speaker 2>there's enough of you who are upset not only with

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<v Speaker 2>the survey, but what the response of the school committee,

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<v Speaker 2>get out and run for office and get your friends

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<v Speaker 2>to run for office and take over the school committee.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, no, we definitely, we definitely do need to and

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<v Speaker 6>we paid a superintendent three hundred thousand dollars a year

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<v Speaker 6>who actually stated at the meeting he did not vet

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<v Speaker 6>the questions before he released them to the children in

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<v Speaker 6>the district. Well, I jall salery, and he didn't vet

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<v Speaker 6>the question I.

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<v Speaker 2>Would argue that's educational malpractice. But that's for the voters

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<v Speaker 2>of Burlington to decide, because it's the school committee I

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<v Speaker 2>assume who hires the school superintendent. Jamie, thank you for

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<v Speaker 2>having the courage and the guts to call this show.

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<v Speaker 6>Exactly, and sadly this is not the first incident.

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<v Speaker 2>All the more reason because if they get away with

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<v Speaker 2>something as outrageous as this once and it's sort of

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<v Speaker 2>like once you know, fool me once, do it again

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<v Speaker 2>and something has to you got to get involved. Dear Jamie,

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<v Speaker 2>I again, keep us posted. Okay, thank you so much.

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<v Speaker 6>We appreciate you taking us and taking the serious and

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<v Speaker 6>giving us some time to talk about it.

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<v Speaker 2>You bet you're more than welcome. Thank you for calling.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll continue our conversation. The only line that has opened

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<v Speaker 2>a six month, seven, two, five, four, ten thirty. Uh,

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<v Speaker 2>my guest on the line with us. We're going to

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<v Speaker 2>be taking calls, is Mike King. Mike, I know you

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<v Speaker 2>didn't get a chance to respond to Jamie's call, but

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<v Speaker 2>I suspect that more than a few parents who feel

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<v Speaker 2>that way in Burlington.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>No, I'm excited to hear from more parents that are

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<v Speaker 4>calling in today. And I just hope that all your

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<v Speaker 4>listeners listening tonight and take this as you know, like

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<v Speaker 4>you said, encouragement that the only way we're really going

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<v Speaker 4>to make change is that people end up running for

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<v Speaker 4>school committee. You know, look this, I don't know if

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<v Speaker 4>you saw that Sutton story last year where a drag

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<v Speaker 4>queen showed up at the Sutton High School. It outraged

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<v Speaker 4>parents and Sutton, and within six months they flipped their

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<v Speaker 4>they're going to start passing policy at the local level

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<v Speaker 4>that's going to help. So this is exactly what needs

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I mean again, what people I always say to

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<v Speaker 2>in about one hundred and seventy or so million other

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<v Speaker 2>Americans voted in a presidential election. So the value of

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<v Speaker 2>your vote in Massachusetts pretty much you know, how presidential

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<v Speaker 2>election may go. You vote a governor's race, and there's

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<v Speaker 2>probably three three and a half maybe four million people

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<v Speaker 2>voted a governor's race. But when you talk about a

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<v Speaker 2>local school committee race, I mean twenty five people can

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<v Speaker 2>pretty easily in most towns in Massachusetts.

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<v Speaker 4>Certain yeah, yeah, I know there was a school committee

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<v Speaker 4>race andover that was just decided by twelve votes.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, and again whatever, whatever the issue is, you

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<v Speaker 2>got to get involved because this impacts you most directly.

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<v Speaker 2>The impact of government. The government that is closer to

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<v Speaker 2>you has a greater impact on you, and more importantly,

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<v Speaker 2>your family will take a break, a newsbreak. Michael wanted

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<v Speaker 2>you to stay with us. We'll get more phone calls.

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<v Speaker 2>The only line that is opened six one, seven, two, five, four,

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<v Speaker 2>from some Burlington parents. We have others lined up here.

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<v Speaker 2>But if you want to chime in on this issue,

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<v Speaker 2>and if you want to tell me you think that

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<v Speaker 2>these questions for sixth and seventh and eighth graders is perfect,

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<v Speaker 2>feel free. I always look for all points of view

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<v Speaker 2>on this program. I may disagree with you, and we

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<v Speaker 2>to join the conversation. All points of view are respected.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just be prepared for some questions. That's all back

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<v Speaker 2>from Nightside.

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<v Speaker 1>After this, It's night Side with Boston's news Radio.

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<v Speaker 2>We're talking about a Burlington Middle school survey of kids

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<v Speaker 2>in the sixth, seventh and eighth grade, which I think

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<v Speaker 2>is way over the top. Adrian is in Burlington. Adrian,

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<v Speaker 2>appreciate you. Call you Next on Nightside, Mike King, the

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<v Speaker 2>president of the mass Family Institute, joins us. Go ahead, Adrian,

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks Dan.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 9>Now, I'm one of the parents who had opted my

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<v Speaker 9>eighth grade son, who was thirteen. I had opted him

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<v Speaker 9>out and they failed to honor the opt out and

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<v Speaker 9>he had to answer those questions.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, how angry are you?

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<v Speaker 9>I'm angry for every parent. I'm angry about the whole process,

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<v Speaker 9>the failure to make sure that parents knew what they

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<v Speaker 9>were going to be asking our kids. I mean, that's

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<v Speaker 9>really number one. I feel like it's kind of sneaky,

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<v Speaker 9>and I, for myself, I can't imagine asking another person's

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<v Speaker 2>You almost wonder if they are on some people, and

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if they're the people who are running

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<v Speaker 2>if they don't get some jolly's out of this. I

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<v Speaker 2>mean it's you know, this almost gets to the idea

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<v Speaker 2>of introducing kids. Are they grooming them for child trafficking

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<v Speaker 2>or something. I mean, I'm serious when I say that.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like, I get it if you a very progressive

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<v Speaker 2>should should know about, you know, sex toys, which you know,

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<v Speaker 2>but but you don't have a right to impose that

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<v Speaker 2>another parents. You know, if you want to talk to

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<v Speaker 2>you a four year old about sex toys, have at it.

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<v Speaker 2>But you don't have a right even if you're a

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<v Speaker 2>school company, remember to introduce that topic to kids in

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<v Speaker 2>the sixth, seventh, and eighth grade if their parents are opposed.

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<v Speaker 6>That's the point exactly.

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<v Speaker 9>I mean, I have a parental right to decide when

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<v Speaker 9>and how I talk to my children about these things.

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<v Speaker 9>And I know what they're pushing through the sex that curriculum,

431
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<v Speaker 9>and it does. It enables them to engage in behaviors

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<v Speaker 9>and it normalizes it, and so myself, I work in

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<v Speaker 9>the field of child sexual abuse prevention. This is not

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<v Speaker 9>a safe thing to be doing to children. It absolutely

435
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<v Speaker 9>normalizes it so that someone else can say, hey, let's

436
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<v Speaker 9>do those things, and then they see it online and

437
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<v Speaker 9>they can absolutely be groomed by this.

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<v Speaker 6>I am concerned.

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<v Speaker 9>About what the real motivation are on various levels of

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<v Speaker 9>the people who are involved.

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<v Speaker 2>Well as I as I said to Jamie, I hope

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<v Speaker 2>this activates a lot of parents in Burlington. And you know, again,

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<v Speaker 2>your your vote in a presidential election, gubernatorial election, you know,

444
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<v Speaker 2>statewide elections, they're all important, but the vote that is

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<v Speaker 2>actually more important to you and is heavier to you

446
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<v Speaker 2>in terms of the weight of your vote in a town,

447
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<v Speaker 2>your town elections. And this drives home the point. If

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<v Speaker 2>people don't get that point with something like this, they

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<v Speaker 2>never will. So I hope that that a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>folks up there, you know, get activated as simple as that.

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<v Speaker 9>Yeah, No, we absolutely are, because I think we were

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<v Speaker 9>really a silent majority of people who have been, you know,

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<v Speaker 9>talking in the background. But whenever you speak out about

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<v Speaker 9>these things, you get labeled hateful and bigoted.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, yeah, I mean they're gonna Oh yeah, you're

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<v Speaker 2>you're closed minded because you don't want your your eleven

457
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<v Speaker 2>year old to know about sex toys. Oh yeah, I

458
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<v Speaker 2>mean you know, I mean everybody should be talking about

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<v Speaker 2>that at the family dinner table. Certainly, don't talk to

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<v Speaker 2>your kids about how they're doing on the math test

461
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<v Speaker 2>of what's going on in English class. Talk to them

462
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<v Speaker 2>about sex toys. That's what kids need to know about.

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<v Speaker 2>These people are weirdos well, and I.

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<v Speaker 9>Think there's grant money funding it, So that's what you've

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<v Speaker 9>been pushing it. More. They see the money and they say,

466
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<v Speaker 9>let's implement these things into the school system. So people, absolutely.

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<v Speaker 9>We just had a school committee election a week after

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<v Speaker 9>that first school committee and if this had happened a

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<v Speaker 9>month ago, one of those people would have been out

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<v Speaker 9>because she actually said that she thought that this survey

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<v Speaker 9>had value, and so I'm quite sure that she saw it.

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<v Speaker 9>And I don't trust anybody who saw those questions and

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<v Speaker 9>thought this was okay. So no, absolutely, next election, we

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<v Speaker 9>are going to be ramping up and we're going to

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<v Speaker 9>be ready.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, here's the question. Time works against you. Do you

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<v Speaker 2>have a way up there to run? To run? And

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure Mike King could answer this better than I could.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you have a process up there to recall, have

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<v Speaker 2>recall elections?

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<v Speaker 9>That's a great question. I don't know if Mike knows.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I don't know exactly on the answer to that question, Dan,

483
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<v Speaker 4>but I don't think there'd be an oportunity to recall

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<v Speaker 4>at this point on the election that Adrian's talking about,

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<v Speaker 4>that happened, you know, two or three weeks ago.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I'll tell you if if people are upset about it,

487
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<v Speaker 2>what will happen is a year from now people will

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<v Speaker 2>move on into other things. And anyway, that's my opinion,

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<v Speaker 2>I would be I bring over the moon on this. Adrian. Congratulations,

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<v Speaker 2>thanks for calling in and protect your kids. Okay, you

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<v Speaker 2>are the parents of those kids. The teachers and the

492
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<v Speaker 2>school administrators. They are not in local parentees. They are

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<v Speaker 2>teachers and school administrators, not parents, and the roles need

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<v Speaker 2>to be defined more clearly. Thanks Adrian, thank you, You're welcome.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna take a quick break. We'll go into the

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<v Speaker 2>next hour in this if we have to. Mike, I

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<v Speaker 2>disagree with you. I think that that a recall election.

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<v Speaker 2>It takes a little while. You got to get signatures

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<v Speaker 2>you got to make them run for reelection. I I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know what the town charter says, but it would

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<v Speaker 2>seem to me that if that, if that opportunit tunity existed,

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<v Speaker 2>now would be the time to to try to get

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<v Speaker 2>it done. But that's that's.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, well for sure, I mean there's enough, there's enough

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<v Speaker 4>parents that are concerned about it. So if it's something

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<v Speaker 4>that can be and you definitely have a lot of

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<v Speaker 4>parents that are ready to ready to do something.

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<v Speaker 2>All right. Again, the legal process is important, and certainly

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<v Speaker 2>as the president of the Mass Family Institute, but the

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<v Speaker 2>court of the court of public opinion is also a

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<v Speaker 2>very important arm of the legal process in my opinion.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll take a quick break, come and come back. We

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<v Speaker 2>get Hilda coming up, John Ryl Jason uh and if necessary,

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<v Speaker 2>we'll go into the next hour if you want, I

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<v Speaker 2>have a subject for the next hour, but I am

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<v Speaker 2>more than happy to stay with this. Back on night

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<v Speaker 2>Side right.

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<v Speaker 1>After this, It's Night Side, Boston's news Radio.

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<v Speaker 2>Back to the phone, you go, let me go to

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<v Speaker 2>Hilda and Burlington Hill. Appreciate your patients. You're on with

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<v Speaker 2>Mike King, President at the Mass Family Institute. Hilda garrettehead.

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<v Speaker 8>Hi there, how are you tonight?

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<v Speaker 2>Good Hilda, We're on the heir gorettehead.

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<v Speaker 8>Hello, can you hear me?

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<v Speaker 2>We hear you.

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<v Speaker 8>I was actually wonderful. So I was actually one of

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<v Speaker 8>the first parents. I was the first parent on the

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<v Speaker 8>April first meeting to approach the bench there and uh

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<v Speaker 8>speak my mind. I was very, very distraught when I

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<v Speaker 8>heard and saw all of the questions that were on

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<v Speaker 8>that survey there. And unfortunately, you know, I've gotten a

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<v Speaker 8>lot of backlash because of what I felt this survey represented,

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<v Speaker 8>and unfortunately it was delivered to us under the guys

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<v Speaker 8>of a very benign and innocent survey. I actually.

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<v Speaker 2>That was okay, you can't hear me, he'll the whate

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<v Speaker 2>was the source of the backlash.

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<v Speaker 8>So the backlash that we're getting is, you know, first

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<v Speaker 8>of all, we have the head of the b A

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<v Speaker 8>mister Mufflman. He's uh put out a video saying that

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<v Speaker 8>you know, it's very dangerous that we're calling people groomors,

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<v Speaker 8>and uh, you know, if if I never called anybody groomers,

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<v Speaker 8>I said that this is grooming. And if this is

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<v Speaker 8>if this isn't grooming, I don't know what is to

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<v Speaker 8>be injecting ideas of, you know, a very sexual nature

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<v Speaker 8>into innocent children's minds. If this isn't grooming, I don't

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<v Speaker 8>know what is.

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<v Speaker 2>Who was the gentleman you referred to? Was he was

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<v Speaker 2>he a member of the school board?

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<v Speaker 8>Is he is the head of the Burlington Educators Association?

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<v Speaker 2>And what is that group? I'm unfamiliar with that group?

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<v Speaker 2>Is that is again? Is that the school board? Is that?

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<v Speaker 9>That?

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<v Speaker 2>Is that a parents group? Who is that? What is

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<v Speaker 2>that group?

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<v Speaker 8>It's the I understand that they're the they're the teachers.

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<v Speaker 8>It's like a teachers association that they have, the educators Association.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 8>And so he was not only doing that, he put

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<v Speaker 8>out a very divisive message into the community, but the

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<v Speaker 8>very next weekend he was out at the anti Trump

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<v Speaker 8>uh uh rally and Boston.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, well, here's the thing I think. I think

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<v Speaker 2>if you, if you don't mind, I would tell you,

564
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<v Speaker 2>I think you make a mistake if you if you

565
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<v Speaker 2>work this into national politics, because that's what the other

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<v Speaker 2>side is going to try to do. This has nothing

567
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<v Speaker 2>to do with Donald Trump, has nothing to do with

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<v Speaker 2>this has everything to do with your children, with your

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<v Speaker 2>kids exactly they're educationsh.

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<v Speaker 8>What's really upsetting to me is that they're trying to

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<v Speaker 8>turn this into an LGBTQ issue, which it is not.

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<v Speaker 8>It is nothing to do with LGBTQ. This has to

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<v Speaker 8>do with the innocence of our children. This has to

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<v Speaker 8>do with our parental rights being violated, and this is

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<v Speaker 8>sexual grooming and it is Let me hid.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't need to interrupt here, but I just want

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<v Speaker 2>to tell you. I guarantee you the majority, indeed the

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<v Speaker 2>vast majority of parents in Burlington who have kids in

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<v Speaker 2>school or out of school, will agree with you. Don't

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<v Speaker 2>be bullied by the other side. They're going to take potsha.

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<v Speaker 8>They're calling me a bully.

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<v Speaker 7>Now they're selling that is the That's exactly That's exactly

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<v Speaker 7>what I'm trying to I'm trying to basically support you

584
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<v Speaker 7>and tell you that that is exactly what bullies do, okay,

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<v Speaker 7>and they will employ whatever language they can to discredit you,

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<v Speaker 7>not to discredit.

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<v Speaker 2>The argument you're making. Stay on the issue, Stay in

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<v Speaker 2>the argument. It is about the children, is about your children,

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<v Speaker 2>is about your authority with your children. Who's going to

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<v Speaker 2>run your family? You are some head of some teachers group, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>And that's why I say and.

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<v Speaker 8>Said to Jamie, do you know how you said, sir,

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<v Speaker 8>that you said how important it is to have to

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<v Speaker 8>participate in our local elections. Yes, very following weekend we

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<v Speaker 8>had our local elections, and I actually ran for school

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<v Speaker 8>committee within twenty four hours before the elections to occur.

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<v Speaker 8>I ran for school Committee and I received three hundred

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<v Speaker 8>and seventeen votes on the last day of that election.

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<v Speaker 8>Each other committee member that was running for reelection, they

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<v Speaker 8>only received about two thousand votes each, and fifteen hundred

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<v Speaker 8>of those votes were mail in votes for months and

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<v Speaker 8>months prior to when they were running for reelection.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, first of all, mail in votes shouldn't be coming.

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<v Speaker 2>I can only tell.

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<v Speaker 8>You, Hilda, the mail had I run, had I run

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<v Speaker 8>way before then, from the very beginning, I probably would

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<v Speaker 8>have been voted in to the school committee and I

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<v Speaker 8>would so love to have been a part of it.

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<v Speaker 2>Well here's the deal. Run again, run again, pull your

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<v Speaker 2>committee together, and run again, Hilda. I got to run

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<v Speaker 2>because they got to get a couple more people in.

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<v Speaker 2>But please continue to listen to this program. Run again, Hilda, run, Hilda.

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<v Speaker 8>Run So much for all of your support, We really

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<v Speaker 8>appreciate it. Thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, let me tell you, I am with you a

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<v Speaker 2>thousand percent. Here, I'm with you a thousand percent, and

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<v Speaker 2>I and I and I congratulate you and the other parents. Look,

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<v Speaker 2>my kids are If that ever happened to my kids

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<v Speaker 2>when my kids were young, and it didn't, I would

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<v Speaker 2>have been over the moon. Help. Please get out there

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<v Speaker 2>and run and and work with other people. And you

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<v Speaker 2>will find out Bill that that eighty percent of the

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<v Speaker 2>people in Burlington agree with you when they understand the issue.

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<v Speaker 2>That's that's that's the dirty little secret here, trust me

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<v Speaker 2>on that. Okay, you got to run again.

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<v Speaker 8>Thanks so much, thank you, pleasure that the children, thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>You got it. Thank you so much, thank you, thank you,

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<v Speaker 2>thank you, John and Quincy. John, I'm trying to get

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<v Speaker 2>you in here before the break. To those of you

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<v Speaker 2>in the line, I'm going to stick with this into

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<v Speaker 2>the next hour. So stay right there, go ahead, John.

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<v Speaker 3>Happy Eastern pass over again to your audience, and God

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<v Speaker 3>bless them, Good luck to those students and parents and Burlington.

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<v Speaker 3>You bet you yeah, that's uh, you know, it's it's

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<v Speaker 3>it's it's it's unacceptable that going on, and it's unacceptable

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<v Speaker 3>to Burlington, the parents, the students, and.

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<v Speaker 2>Well it has it has the potential to go on everywhere.

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<v Speaker 2>You have a great mayor in Quincy, Tom Coke, and

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think this would happen in Quinsy in my opinion,

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<v Speaker 2>but that's because you have a great mayor, okay, and

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<v Speaker 2>someone who I've known for many years. And I'm telling

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<v Speaker 2>you what happens is in these other towns. Everybody is

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<v Speaker 2>so involved with youth soccer and youth hockey and youth

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<v Speaker 2>little League and I was involved in all of that stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>And you don't focus unless you keep an eye on

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<v Speaker 2>what's going on in schools. And this is outrageous. This

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<v Speaker 2>is absolutely outrageous. So you know, people should should work together,

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<v Speaker 2>form groups and get ready for the next election. And

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<v Speaker 2>if you have a recall ability to recall people if

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<v Speaker 2>they're not listening to you, you can have disagreements, but

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<v Speaker 2>on something as shocking as this, this is way over

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<v Speaker 2>the top. John. I appreciate your support, but more importantly,

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<v Speaker 2>I think people in Burlington appreciate your support. We are

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<v Speaker 2>going to take this into the next hour, so I

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<v Speaker 2>thank you so much, but I'm flat out of time.

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<v Speaker 3>This hour Okay, understood, and good luck to them and

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<v Speaker 3>the old Bronton mall in the Cafe Esque a Jill

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<v Speaker 3>and Burlington Dodge and all that other good stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>It's great. It's a great community. It's a great community.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank thanks John for sure. All right, good night, Mike King.

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<v Speaker 2>Keep us posting on this. I know this is one

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<v Speaker 2>that I feel pretty emotional about as as I think

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<v Speaker 2>you could tell and feel free to keep me posted

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<v Speaker 2>on this and we'll have you back and I'm going

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<v Speaker 2>to continue on this topic next hour. Great.

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<v Speaker 4>Anyone interested in learning more about this context Burlington to

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<v Speaker 4>our short code eight seven eight nine one.

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<v Speaker 2>Eight seven eight nine to one. How can people find you?

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<v Speaker 2>You know there's a lot of people who don't text

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<v Speaker 2>and all of that. How can people find your organization?

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<v Speaker 2>Either you know, on Facebook or is there a quick

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<v Speaker 2>and easy way to get in contact with you?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, just you can just google Massachusetts Family Institute and

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<v Speaker 4>in our legal arm the Massachusetts Liberty Legal Center. Like

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<v Speaker 4>I said, there's been two federal complaints and we're looking

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<v Speaker 4>to file several more complaints as well.

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<v Speaker 2>So is it Massfamilyinstitute dot org. Mike. People are out there,

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<v Speaker 2>will they want to know what.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's mafamily dot org, m A family dot oarg.

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<v Speaker 2>Perfect, perfect, simple, straightforward. Mike, thanks very much, thanks for

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<v Speaker 2>joining us, and please keep us posted on this. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes when these stories occur, different good organizations are tough

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<v Speaker 2>to get a hold of it. I know that this

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<v Speaker 2>is uh, you know, pass overseas and Easter season. This

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<v Speaker 2>is good Friday, and I know that there are a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of people probably who wouldn't have been available tonight.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to thank you for joining us tonight. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>Absolutely. Like I said, we had success in and we're

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<v Speaker 4>gonna have success in Burlington, and more and more parents

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<v Speaker 4>are waking up, so we're very excited about the future.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, to those of you, thanks, thanks again, Mike.

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<v Speaker 2>For those of you in the line, stay there. We'll

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<v Speaker 2>continue this until the next hour. I have another topic

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<v Speaker 2>to talk about, but this is important. This is local.

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<v Speaker 2>We're going to stick with it. One line open, six, one, seven, nine, three, one,

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<v Speaker 2>ten thirty