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<v Speaker 8>In two thousand and three, he began to appear in

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<v Speaker 8>In two thousand and five, he appeared as a pin

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<v Speaker 8>up model in an issue of Toronto's Fab magazine. In

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<v Speaker 8>two thousand and seven, he was an unsuccessful competitor in

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<v Speaker 8>a reality series Cover Guy, and underwent numerous cosmetic surgeries

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<v Speaker 8>auditioning for a reality show Plastic Makes Perfect two in

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<v Speaker 8>two thousand and eight and set up at least seventy

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<v Speaker 8>Facebook pages and twenty websites under various aliases. On May

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<v Speaker 8>twenty fifth, twenty twelve, an eleven minute video titled one

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<v Speaker 8>Lunatic One ice Pick was uploaded to a gore sight

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<v Speaker 8>depicting a naked mail tied to a bed frame being

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<v Speaker 8>repeatedly stabbed with an ice pick and a knife, then dismembered,

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<v Speaker 8>followed by acts of necrophilia and cannibalism. The perpetrator uses

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<v Speaker 8>a knife and fork to cut off some of the

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<v Speaker 8>flesh and gets a dog to chew on the body.

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<v Speaker 8>On May twenty ninth, a janitor discovered the decomposing torso

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<v Speaker 8>of Chinese foreign student Lynn Juhn inside a suitcase in

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<v Speaker 8>the alley behind an apartment building in Montreal. A package

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<v Speaker 8>containing a foot was delivered to the national headquarters of

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<v Speaker 8>the Conservative Party. Another containing a hand was addressed to

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<v Speaker 8>the Liberal Party. Packages containing severed limbs were later sent

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<v Speaker 8>to elementary schools. Magna of fledcamp, becoming the subject of

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<v Speaker 8>an Interpol Red notice in prompting an international manhunt. He

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<v Speaker 8>was apprehended June fourth at an Internet cafe in Berlin,

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<v Speaker 8>reading news about himself materials promoting the video appeared online

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<v Speaker 8>ten days before the murder. The high profile trial in

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<v Speaker 8>Montreal lasted ten weeks. Luca Rocko Magnata pleaded not guilty

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<v Speaker 8>by reason of insanity, first degree murder or insanity. The

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<v Speaker 8>Superstar The Luca Magnata Debacle with Yours Truly. Dan Supanski

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<v Speaker 8>now Eric Clinton Kirk Newman was born on July twenty fourth,

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<v Speaker 8>nineteen eighty two, in Scarborough, Ontario, Canada, to teen parents,

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<v Speaker 8>Donald Newman and Anna york Him. He had two younger siblings,

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<v Speaker 8>a brother, Conrad Shane, and a sister, Melissa. The early

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<v Speaker 8>years of the Newman's marriage appears to have been relatively happy,

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<v Speaker 8>and after initially living with Donald Newman's parents, the couple

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<v Speaker 8>purchased a house for the family in Bethany, Toronto. Donald

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<v Speaker 8>Newman worked in the warehouse of Leeber Brothers Factory in

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<v Speaker 8>downtown Toronto, while his wife, Anna Yorkin homeschooled the three

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<v Speaker 8>Newman siblings. For five or six years. The Newman family

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<v Speaker 8>lost their home due to credit card debt, and the

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<v Speaker 8>family had to move back in with Donald Newman's parents.

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<v Speaker 8>The Newman children, however, finally got to go to school.

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<v Speaker 8>From grade six, Eric attended Charlottetown Junior High School in Toronto.

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<v Speaker 8>In nineteen ninety four, when Eric was twelve, his parents divorced.

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<v Speaker 8>He and his brother and a sister remained with their

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<v Speaker 8>mother and her new partner, Leo, with whom Anna then

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<v Speaker 8>had a further two children. Around this time, Eric went

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<v Speaker 8>to live with his grandmother, Phyllis Jerkin in Lindsay, Ontario.

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<v Speaker 8>In the same southern Ontario area, Eric Newman attended L. E.

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<v Speaker 8>Weldon Secondary School during grades ten and eleven. In April

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<v Speaker 8>two thousand and one, aged eighteen, Luca Magnotta, Eric Newton

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<v Speaker 8>was seen several times by community workers in a crisis

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<v Speaker 8>center at Ross Memorial Hospital in Lindsay, Ontario. He had

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<v Speaker 8>gone in complaining of a sore throat, but said he

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<v Speaker 8>heard voices. He was referred to a psychiatrist, who said,

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<v Speaker 8>I'm not sure what we're dealing with. Bizarre, interesting presentation.

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<v Speaker 8>A psychiatrist wondered if there was there were secondary gains

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<v Speaker 8>that Eric Newman was looking for. Health workers noted that

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<v Speaker 8>they suspected he might be faking. August twenty sixth to

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<v Speaker 8>two thousand and one, he arrives at an emergency at

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<v Speaker 8>Ross Memorial Hospital because he is out of medication. The

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<v Speaker 8>medical file notes a personality disorder and he has prescribed medication.

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<v Speaker 8>The next day, Luca Magnota returns to to emergency at

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<v Speaker 8>Ross Memorial Hospital, having taken the entire bottle of his

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<v Speaker 8>prescribed medication. A diagnosis of paranoid schizophrenia is noted in

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<v Speaker 8>his medical file. Eric Newman makes an application for the

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<v Speaker 8>Ontario Disability Support Program ODSP, citing textbook symptoms of schizophrenia,

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<v Speaker 8>and it leaves and receives an award of one thousand

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<v Speaker 8>dollars per month in welfare payments. In two thousand and one,

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<v Speaker 8>Luca lives at Harrison House, Lindsay, Ontario, a supported housing

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<v Speaker 8>project group home for people with mental health issues. Apparently,

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<v Speaker 8>two thousand and two and entering into two thousand and three,

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<v Speaker 8>Eric was now going by the studium of Studium of Jimmy,

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<v Speaker 8>and he branched out from working as a male model,

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<v Speaker 8>as he claimed to embarking as a male escort, offering

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<v Speaker 8>his services to a male clientele, describing himself as being

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<v Speaker 8>either bisexual, or heterosexual and strictly gay for pay. In

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<v Speaker 8>two thousand and three, Luca's biological father, Donald Newman, refers

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<v Speaker 8>Luca to his own psychiatrist because he notices Luca he

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<v Speaker 8>noticed that Luca has problems. Donald Newman's medical records dated

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<v Speaker 8>March seven, two thousand and three, show that that Donald Newman,

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<v Speaker 8>who was diagnosed with schizophrenia and bipolar disorder, was concerned

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<v Speaker 8>for Eric's mental health because he believed that Eric was

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<v Speaker 8>hearing voices at that time. According to his father, Eric

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<v Speaker 8>spent a period of time as a patient in a

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<v Speaker 8>psychiatric ward now February twenty eighth to March Luca, I

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<v Speaker 8>mean pardon me. Eric is a patient of psychiatrist doctor Cerebellum.

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<v Speaker 8>He sees this doctor regularly between February twenty eighth and

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<v Speaker 8>in two thousand and three, right till two thousand and eight.

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<v Speaker 8>He tells his doctor on the very first appointment that

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<v Speaker 8>again is living in Harrison House in Lindsay, Ontario, where

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<v Speaker 8>an appointment, and while he's living at this Harrison house,

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<v Speaker 8>he claims that he thought people were jealous of him

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<v Speaker 8>Still in two thousand and three, he had several consultations

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<v Speaker 8>with his family doctor, doctor Alan Tan, and he was

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<v Speaker 8>him apparently nutritional advice, dietary advice. Now in two thousand

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<v Speaker 8>On October thirtieth of that year, he sees doctor Tan

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<v Speaker 8>had three hospitalizations because of mania. Now, on January sixth,

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<v Speaker 8>of two thousand and four, Luca Magnata, which is what

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<v Speaker 8>seizes Doctor Tan and he tells him that they are

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<v Speaker 8>In January two thousand and six, Luca is introduced to

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<v Speaker 8>In January of two thousand and seven, he tells his

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<v Speaker 8>He tells his doctor in August that people are spreading

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<v Speaker 8>Karla Hamalka. It is widely speculated at that time that

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<v Speaker 8>Internet rumors. In two thousand and eight, Luca Magnata's activities

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<v Speaker 8>On YouTube. He also posts several disturbing blogs about incestuous relationships.

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<v Speaker 8>In January, he a Wikipedia shell page is created from

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<v Speaker 8>two thousand and seven by Luca Magnat about himself, and

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<v Speaker 8>it is deleted after lengthy discussion by wiki contributors and

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<v Speaker 8>admits traders, concluding that Luca Minauda was not was a

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<v Speaker 8>and eight, magnodad auditions for another reality show, Plastic Makes

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<v Speaker 8>he was unsuccessful. Two thousand and nine, he is featured

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<v Speaker 8>Luca magnata Facebook page is created, the first of seventy

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<v Speaker 8>and nine, he sets up a journal page and posts

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<v Speaker 8>forty four articles about himself and his life in the

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<v Speaker 8>space of just over a week. After this, he appears

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<v Speaker 8>for almost seems to appear from the internet that for

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<v Speaker 8>almost a year. In October two thousand and nine, Magnadas

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<v Speaker 8>starts seeing doctor Robert Weinstein at North York General Hospital

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<v Speaker 8>and he tells doctor Weinstein that he had a boyfriend

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<v Speaker 8>when he was nineteen who had nosebleeds and he painted

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<v Speaker 8>the words I Love you with blood on his apartment door,

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<v Speaker 8>and after nineteen everything was different. He Dr Weinstein diagnosed

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<v Speaker 8>Luca Magnauda's schizophrenic somewhat unstable, and he was taking a

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<v Speaker 8>must be stressful. Now. In December twenty one, twenty ten,

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<v Speaker 8>Army veteran Ryan Boyle was surfing the web in his

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<v Speaker 8>office in Maryland, watching YouTube and the Funny Pictures thread

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<v Speaker 8>on four Chan. Now. Four chan is a simple image

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<v Speaker 8>based bulletin board where anyone can post comments and share images,

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<v Speaker 8>and this is where he encountered a still image of

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<v Speaker 8>a video called one Boy, Two Kittens. Boyle s scroll

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<v Speaker 8>through the comments post from horrified users, hoping to id

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<v Speaker 8>the man who'd posted the kitten killing video to the forum.

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<v Speaker 8>In the video was a figure in a dark green

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<v Speaker 8>hoodie asphyxiating two kittens with a vacuum cleaner and a

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<v Speaker 8>plastic bag. In the back from the video clip, people

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<v Speaker 8>were speaking in a foreign language, sounding possibly Russian. Boyle

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<v Speaker 8>wanted to see the guy pay. He immediately started a

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<v Speaker 8>Facebook group Save to Kitty. Boyle then clicked back to

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<v Speaker 8>four Chan to get people over to his Facebook page

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<v Speaker 8>and noticed that another user had started up a page

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<v Speaker 8>as well. He contacted the other pages administration to ask

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<v Speaker 8>to join forces. Oyle became an administrator of the Facebook

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<v Speaker 8>page Find the Vacuumer Kitten Killer for Great Justice. Now. Boyle,

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<v Speaker 8>who had set up the group as an invite only,

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<v Speaker 8>was getting one hundred requests for access per hour, accepting

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<v Speaker 8>each new member. On the same day that Boyle started

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<v Speaker 8>Find the Vacuumer kit and Killer, a woman on the

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<v Speaker 8>West coast of the US using the Internet alias body

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<v Speaker 8>Movin saw the video in her Facebook feed and found

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<v Speaker 8>her way to the group. She had been following an

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<v Speaker 8>animal mutilation case on four Chan and became intrigued at

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<v Speaker 8>how users were able to identify a Texas goth girl

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<v Speaker 8>responsible for posting photos featuring to the capitation of a dog.

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<v Speaker 8>She found it fascinating how they used the data from

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<v Speaker 8>the doghead with her background in it. Mouven felt she

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<v Speaker 8>could help find the person who'd murdered the kittens. Now

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<v Speaker 8>she wasn't the only one. In Sydney, Australia, a forty

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<v Speaker 8>seven year old woman using the alias Nicey Punk had

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<v Speaker 8>one Boy, Two Kittens on four Chan. He was familiar

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<v Speaker 8>twenty third, Christy, a thirty four year old from Texas,

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<v Speaker 8>joined and solved one mystery. She was the one who

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<v Speaker 8>made the original plea on four Chan. At the time,

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<v Speaker 8>Christy ran the gore site old look aforum, which was

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<v Speaker 8>Guys One Hammer. A user named baby Maggie two had

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<v Speaker 8>embedded a YouTube video for one Boy, two Kittens. She

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<v Speaker 8>took the video down immediately as they had a no

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<v Speaker 8>animal cruelty rule since she wanted him to get caught,

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<v Speaker 8>though she posted the info to the bulletin boards on

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<v Speaker 8>four Chan. The crew of Avengers began tossing around theories.

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<v Speaker 8>They started by looking at objects in the killer's room

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<v Speaker 8>that were visible on the video. The bedspread was decorated

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<v Speaker 8>with an image of a wolf. Where was it sold?

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<v Speaker 8>The voices in the background were they actually Russian? The

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<v Speaker 8>electrical outlets were they European or North American? They pursued

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<v Speaker 8>any visual clue that might help them identify the figure

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<v Speaker 8>in the green hoodie, but after thousands of man hours,

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<v Speaker 8>the group was no longer finding no closer to finding

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<v Speaker 8>out the identity of the figure in a dark green

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<v Speaker 8>hooded sweatshirt. At the same time, in Hollywood, see a Barbie,

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<v Speaker 8>one half of the Barbie Twins, sister models who gained

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<v Speaker 8>fame in nineteen ninety one after posing Playboy, was receiving

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<v Speaker 8>emails directing her to the One Boy, Two Kittens video.

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<v Speaker 8>A longtime animal advocate, Barbie, along with her twin sister Shane,

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<v Speaker 8>had recently lobbied online for the Animal Crush Video Prohibition Act,

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<v Speaker 8>which sought to ban sexual fetish videos featuring people, mostly women,

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<v Speaker 8>crushing small vertebrae animals with high heels or bare feet.

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<v Speaker 8>The bill had passed on November twenty ten, which raised

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<v Speaker 8>the twins profile in the media as enemies of animal abuse.

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<v Speaker 8>Videos cea Barbie join the Van Vacuumer Kitten Killer Facebook

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<v Speaker 8>group and forming a group that she had media connections

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<v Speaker 8>that could help spread the word. To that end, Barbie

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<v Speaker 8>reached out to job Panzarella, who had been deluged with

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<v Speaker 8>emails directing him to the video. Panzarella is one of

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<v Speaker 8>the leaders of Rescue, Inc, a collection of bikers who

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<v Speaker 8>fight against animal abuse on Long Island, US. The group

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<v Speaker 8>had received national attention from their two thousand and nine

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<v Speaker 8>reality show on the National Geographic Channel, which followed the

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<v Speaker 8>biker boys as they confronted animal abusers throughout New York.

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<v Speaker 8>It lasted only one season, but while the show was fleeting,

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<v Speaker 8>it boosted the club's online profile, and Panzarelli says they

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<v Speaker 8>concerning one boy to kittens Now. In an attempt to

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<v Speaker 8>get some clarity amidst the disorder, Boyle started a second,

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<v Speaker 8>smaller Facebook group, calling it useful Individuals, and invited the

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<v Speaker 8>users from the main Vacuumer Kitten Killer group, who he

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<v Speaker 8>thought had the best skills hackers, investigators, filmmakers, artists to

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<v Speaker 8>Russian language skills to theorize that the accents of the

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<v Speaker 8>laughing voices heard in the background of video just didn't

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<v Speaker 8>match up with items in the apartment. The group worked

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<v Speaker 8>through the new year, and by January eighth, twenty eleven,

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<v Speaker 8>many believed they had found the kitten killer. A remember

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<v Speaker 8>had found the profile of a Facebook user called calling

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<v Speaker 8>himself Jamsey Crams a lot in his ass. Jamzy had

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<v Speaker 8>posted a video to his Facebook page of a cat

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<v Speaker 8>in a cage being set on fire, and the photos

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<v Speaker 8>on his profile were of a teenage boy with similar

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<v Speaker 8>facial features to the blurry green figure in the green hoodie.

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<v Speaker 8>Was this the killer? Panzarelli, who recently or readily admits

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<v Speaker 8>he's not a nice guy, wasn't content to wait and see.

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<v Speaker 8>Along with the Barbie Twins, he came up with a

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<v Speaker 8>plan to bring Jamsy out into the open. My sister said,

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<v Speaker 8>we would have to lure this person in, said Panzarella.

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<v Speaker 8>We would have to give him something. Iris Panzarella enlisted

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<v Speaker 8>a member of Rescue Ink who was a grade school

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<v Speaker 8>teacher and a female bodybuilder. The woman began a Facebook

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<v Speaker 8>dialogue with Jamzy, attempting to appeal to his narcissistic ego

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<v Speaker 8>and to reveal himself. After some back and forth, Jamzy

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<v Speaker 8>admitted to the female bodybuilder that he was, in fact

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<v Speaker 8>the hooded figure in the One Boy to Kittens video.

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<v Speaker 8>Case solved. Rescue Inc. Thought they had their man, but

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<v Speaker 8>the members of the Vancouver Vacuumer Kitten Killer group they

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<v Speaker 8>wanted proof. We didn't think Jamsy was him, says Boyle.

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<v Speaker 8>We thought he was just a troll. The Vacuumer Kitten

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<v Speaker 8>Killer administrators were skeptical that this was their man, but

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<v Speaker 8>the focus on jamz crams a lot in his ass

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<v Speaker 8>had a welcome side effect. Less than a day after

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<v Speaker 8>the group publicly identified Jamzy as a ca upper behind

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<v Speaker 8>One Boy, Two Kittens, Nicey Punk received a face book

418
00:30:05.599 --> 00:30:10.240
<v Speaker 8>message from a user named Beverly Kent. The name of

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<v Speaker 8>the kitten vacuumer you were looking for read the message

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<v Speaker 8>is Luca Magnata. Nicey forward of the message to the

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00:30:18.519 --> 00:30:22.400
<v Speaker 8>administrators of the group. We googled Luca Magnata, she says,

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<v Speaker 8>and there we were. The search came back with the

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<v Speaker 8>equivalent of a twisted of twisted Internet gold. Articles on Chinsey,

424
00:30:33.400 --> 00:30:39.079
<v Speaker 8>user generated sites, sites detailing Magnata's jet set lifestyle, and

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00:30:39.319 --> 00:30:42.759
<v Speaker 8>hundreds of photos Luca on a beach, Luca in a

426
00:30:42.799 --> 00:30:46.279
<v Speaker 8>sports car, Luca in a limo, in a hot tub

427
00:30:46.440 --> 00:30:49.799
<v Speaker 8>under the Eiffel Tower. His hairstyles would vary, but his

428
00:30:49.920 --> 00:30:53.720
<v Speaker 8>chisel jaw, high cheekbones, and bright blue eyes remained the same.

429
00:30:54.279 --> 00:31:00.599
<v Speaker 8>A twink James Dean, often shirtless, always pouting, and almost

430
00:31:00.640 --> 00:31:05.640
<v Speaker 8>always alone. There was a magnota video side show showing

431
00:31:05.680 --> 00:31:09.039
<v Speaker 8>a thin young man in multiple outfits and poses, and

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00:31:09.119 --> 00:31:15.599
<v Speaker 8>it was set to new orders true faith. The articles

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<v Speaker 8>and images were mainly from user generated sites, message boards,

434
00:31:19.240 --> 00:31:22.559
<v Speaker 8>and photo buckets, but there were a few from legitimate

435
00:31:22.599 --> 00:31:28.799
<v Speaker 8>news outlets. Hamalka rumor, Run's Model's Life, read the headline

436
00:31:29.440 --> 00:31:31.759
<v Speaker 8>to a video link from a September two thousand and

437
00:31:31.839 --> 00:31:35.599
<v Speaker 8>seven Toronto's Sun interviewed with Magnata, in which he denied

438
00:31:35.640 --> 00:31:41.279
<v Speaker 8>that he dated infamous Canadian murderess Karla Hamalka. Now, while

439
00:31:41.319 --> 00:31:43.839
<v Speaker 8>the citizen detectives were happy to finally put a name

440
00:31:43.880 --> 00:31:48.079
<v Speaker 8>in a face to the supposed culprit. They were bewildered

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00:31:48.079 --> 00:31:52.160
<v Speaker 8>by what they were finding. On first glance, Luca Magnata

442
00:31:52.640 --> 00:31:57.680
<v Speaker 8>didn't seem real. Hundreds of posts about Magnata appeared on

443
00:31:57.759 --> 00:32:01.599
<v Speaker 8>various forums. This is a fan page I made for

444
00:32:01.640 --> 00:32:06.759
<v Speaker 8>Luca Magnata, my new idol. Or on a YouTube page

445
00:32:06.839 --> 00:32:09.559
<v Speaker 8>Luca magnot arrested in New Mexico for trying to gain

446
00:32:09.640 --> 00:32:13.440
<v Speaker 8>access to Area fifty one, says local authorities. Or on

447
00:32:13.480 --> 00:32:16.559
<v Speaker 8>a flicker page. I saw something tonight on YouTube where

448
00:32:16.960 --> 00:32:19.839
<v Speaker 8>someone had stated that River and Luca were cousins. Is

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00:32:19.880 --> 00:32:26.359
<v Speaker 8>a so on a River Phoenix fan website. Magnota himself

450
00:32:26.440 --> 00:32:32.160
<v Speaker 8>was the source of these comments and questions. It was

451
00:32:32.240 --> 00:32:34.960
<v Speaker 8>established that he had created at least seventy sock puppet

452
00:32:35.000 --> 00:32:38.119
<v Speaker 8>accounts on Facebook and at least twenty websites devoted to

453
00:32:38.599 --> 00:32:43.200
<v Speaker 8>Luca Magnata. His Google carpet bombing helped his name show

454
00:32:43.279 --> 00:32:47.519
<v Speaker 8>up when people searched for famous or infamous names. He

455
00:32:47.599 --> 00:32:50.440
<v Speaker 8>was trying to troll people to get famous, says Movin

456
00:32:50.519 --> 00:32:55.200
<v Speaker 8>about Magnata. Bottom line, then there's this unwritten rule of

457
00:32:55.240 --> 00:32:59.160
<v Speaker 8>the Internet, says Vacuumer. Kitten Killer group member Green. It's

458
00:32:59.200 --> 00:33:02.720
<v Speaker 8>called rules zero and it's you don't mess with cats,

459
00:33:03.680 --> 00:33:10.720
<v Speaker 8>not unless that is you want the attention, said Magnota,

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00:33:10.799 --> 00:33:14.400
<v Speaker 8>made one Boy, two kittens and posted on December twenty first,

461
00:33:14.400 --> 00:33:18.920
<v Speaker 8>twenty ten, what better way to get famous ab moving

462
00:33:19.559 --> 00:33:25.559
<v Speaker 8>than to fuck with cats. But while Magnota made efforts

463
00:33:25.599 --> 00:33:29.119
<v Speaker 8>to conceal his identity, he was also hungry for more notoriety.

464
00:33:29.640 --> 00:33:32.920
<v Speaker 8>He posted photos of himself in connection with the video

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<v Speaker 8>holding the cats on the bed, but no one recognized him.

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<v Speaker 8>This was before the cat This secret weapon Google search

467
00:33:40.519 --> 00:33:44.920
<v Speaker 8>by image and Tini, the image search tool of the time,

468
00:33:45.079 --> 00:33:49.000
<v Speaker 8>was crude at best. After three weeks of lurking in

469
00:33:49.039 --> 00:33:53.480
<v Speaker 8>the Facebook Great Facebook group devoted to his own capture,

470
00:33:54.759 --> 00:33:58.519
<v Speaker 8>watching users toss out new theories dissecting every clue in

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00:33:58.640 --> 00:34:04.559
<v Speaker 8>his video, Magnata seemed to want more. On January eleven,

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<v Speaker 8>twenty eleven, the Barbie Twins worked with extreme animal rights

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<v Speaker 8>group Negotiation is Over to publish an article on their

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<v Speaker 8>site declaring Luca Magnata as the kitten killer, though claiming

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<v Speaker 8>he was also known by the name the alias jamsy

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<v Speaker 8>Cramslot and his ass After an intense investigation, another anonymous

477
00:34:28.119 --> 00:34:33.599
<v Speaker 8>tip resulted in the positive identification of the well known

478
00:34:33.679 --> 00:34:37.719
<v Speaker 8>bisexual porn star and model Luca Magnauta read the article.

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00:34:37.920 --> 00:34:41.559
<v Speaker 8>Commonly known for drugs while parties in gay clubs. His

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00:34:41.719 --> 00:34:44.840
<v Speaker 8>name is well known in Canada and in northern United

481
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<v Speaker 8>States regarding stories about him being involved with Karla Hamalca,

482
00:34:49.320 --> 00:34:54.199
<v Speaker 8>a hated serial killer. Luca twenty five lives in Montia, France,

483
00:34:54.400 --> 00:35:02.360
<v Speaker 8>and travels frequently between his home in France and Toliadi, Russia. Well,

484
00:35:03.119 --> 00:35:06.440
<v Speaker 8>much of the above information was wrong. Magnata's name was

485
00:35:06.480 --> 00:35:10.559
<v Speaker 8>now in the open. Magnotta felt enough pressure to meet

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<v Speaker 8>with an attorney. On January twelfth, he wrote to a

487
00:35:14.039 --> 00:35:18.519
<v Speaker 8>Manhattan lawyer named Romeo Salta, not so much denying his

488
00:35:18.639 --> 00:35:23.000
<v Speaker 8>involvement in the video, more claiming, truthfully as it were,

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00:35:23.239 --> 00:35:28.599
<v Speaker 8>that he was not jamsy. The citizen detectives had a

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00:35:28.679 --> 00:35:30.679
<v Speaker 8>name and they had a face. What they were missing

491
00:35:30.760 --> 00:35:33.960
<v Speaker 8>wasn't a was a location. No one knew where Magneta

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00:35:34.559 --> 00:35:36.760
<v Speaker 8>actually was. And because of that and the fact that

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00:35:36.800 --> 00:35:39.800
<v Speaker 8>he was just a guy killing kittens, says Green and Movin,

494
00:35:40.440 --> 00:35:43.760
<v Speaker 8>no law for enforcement agency was going to give time

495
00:35:44.119 --> 00:35:49.840
<v Speaker 8>or effort to finding him. Rescue Inks Panzarella came up

496
00:35:49.840 --> 00:35:52.800
<v Speaker 8>with an idea. However, if they couldn't find Luca, maybe

497
00:35:52.800 --> 00:35:57.039
<v Speaker 8>they could get Luca to come to them. He wants

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00:35:57.079 --> 00:36:00.960
<v Speaker 8>to be a porn star, says Panzarella. I called the

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00:36:00.960 --> 00:36:06.360
<v Speaker 8>Barbie Twins. They said, we can get Ron Jeremy. The

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00:36:06.400 --> 00:36:08.880
<v Speaker 8>Barbie Twins and Pazzarella hatched a plan to try and

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00:36:08.960 --> 00:36:11.719
<v Speaker 8>lure Magnata out of hiding by offering him a role

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00:36:11.719 --> 00:36:15.440
<v Speaker 8>in a porn movie with adult film legend Ron Jeremy.

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00:36:16.320 --> 00:36:19.159
<v Speaker 8>The plot called for Magnata show up in a Los

504
00:36:19.199 --> 00:36:23.760
<v Speaker 8>Angeles studio to perform in a film. Once on set,

505
00:36:23.960 --> 00:36:27.239
<v Speaker 8>Rescue Inc. Members would grab him, make a citizen's arrest,

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00:36:27.719 --> 00:36:33.920
<v Speaker 8>and hand him over to the authorities. At first, Ron

507
00:36:34.000 --> 00:36:36.800
<v Speaker 8>Jeremy was on board so long as he didn't have

508
00:36:36.840 --> 00:36:41.239
<v Speaker 8>to do anything gay. We were playing along with him

509
00:36:41.280 --> 00:36:45.000
<v Speaker 8>wanting to be a porn star, says Jeremy. But Panzarella

510
00:36:45.119 --> 00:36:48.400
<v Speaker 8>was up front with Jeremy about the risks. Magnotta could

511
00:36:48.440 --> 00:36:52.079
<v Speaker 8>show up early and Jeremy could be alone with the

512
00:36:52.159 --> 00:36:56.519
<v Speaker 8>kitten killer. The more Jeremy thought about it, the more

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00:36:56.719 --> 00:37:01.400
<v Speaker 8>the deception became too real for him. The plan all apart.

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00:37:04.039 --> 00:37:06.679
<v Speaker 8>Either way, Green and movin broke away and started a

515
00:37:06.679 --> 00:37:10.679
<v Speaker 8>new closed Facebook page and stopped posting in the public group.

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00:37:11.280 --> 00:37:14.400
<v Speaker 8>We knew Luca was in there, says Movin'. They focused

517
00:37:14.400 --> 00:37:18.440
<v Speaker 8>on analyzing the numerous images they found on Magnata online,

518
00:37:18.559 --> 00:37:22.880
<v Speaker 8>from London to Russia, to Miami to Hollywood. It looked

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<v Speaker 8>like he got around, but one particular photo sparked their

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00:37:26.840 --> 00:37:29.559
<v Speaker 8>interest and they were able to narrow down where it

521
00:37:29.599 --> 00:37:35.320
<v Speaker 8>was taken precisely. Among the hundreds of pictures that mcnauda

522
00:37:35.360 --> 00:37:38.039
<v Speaker 8>sprinkled across the Internet, many of which turned out to

523
00:37:38.079 --> 00:37:40.800
<v Speaker 8>be photoshopped, there was one of him standing on a

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00:37:40.800 --> 00:37:43.639
<v Speaker 8>balcony of a high rise. Behind him, you could see

525
00:37:43.679 --> 00:37:47.880
<v Speaker 8>a Petro Canada gas station. Now there are more than

526
00:37:47.920 --> 00:37:51.719
<v Speaker 8>fifteen hundred Petro Canada stations across Canada. But armed with

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00:37:51.840 --> 00:37:55.760
<v Speaker 8>EXIF data that move and pulled, she and Green focused

528
00:37:55.800 --> 00:37:59.199
<v Speaker 8>on Toronto. From there they dug deeper and came upon

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00:37:59.440 --> 00:38:01.960
<v Speaker 8>one of the sous video news articles in which Magnata

530
00:38:02.360 --> 00:38:05.840
<v Speaker 8>talked about the paparazzi trying to photograph him outside his

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00:38:05.920 --> 00:38:12.119
<v Speaker 8>condo in the Toronto suburb of a Tobicoke. Now Tobicoke

532
00:38:12.239 --> 00:38:14.440
<v Speaker 8>is small, so Green did a search and found only

533
00:38:14.559 --> 00:38:18.320
<v Speaker 8>nine Petro Canada gas stations in the area. I started

534
00:38:18.360 --> 00:38:21.079
<v Speaker 8>to look at Google Maps in the street view says

535
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<v Speaker 8>Green and the fourth one Boom. There was the building

536
00:38:24.800 --> 00:38:27.639
<v Speaker 8>with the balcony. So they had a name and an

537
00:38:27.679 --> 00:38:32.519
<v Speaker 8>exact address and proof he was in Toronto at the time.

538
00:38:34.719 --> 00:38:37.400
<v Speaker 8>Now this was enough concrete information to be taken seriously

539
00:38:37.440 --> 00:38:40.760
<v Speaker 8>by the authorities. In January twenty eleven, movement in Green

540
00:38:40.920 --> 00:38:44.519
<v Speaker 8>contacted the Ontario branch of the Society for Prevention to

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<v Speaker 8>Cruelty the Animals SPCA and delivered a large document containing

542
00:38:49.320 --> 00:38:53.320
<v Speaker 8>evidence from the video, comparisons of known photos of Magnata,

543
00:38:53.400 --> 00:38:56.280
<v Speaker 8>was still from the video, and reasons they believed he

544
00:38:56.360 --> 00:39:00.599
<v Speaker 8>was in Toronto. SPCA investigators and communications off Officer Brad

545
00:39:00.639 --> 00:39:05.679
<v Speaker 8>Duer was receptive and began working with the Toronto Police.

546
00:39:07.639 --> 00:39:10.840
<v Speaker 8>They were quick to jump on board and help us

547
00:39:10.880 --> 00:39:15.800
<v Speaker 8>with this case. As doer of the authorities. A file

548
00:39:15.880 --> 00:39:18.440
<v Speaker 8>was started on Magnata and the police visited the building

549
00:39:18.599 --> 00:39:23.280
<v Speaker 8>and likely talked with the landlord. The information was correct,

550
00:39:23.320 --> 00:39:26.119
<v Speaker 8>the photo was taken there, Magnata had lived there, but

551
00:39:26.199 --> 00:39:29.159
<v Speaker 8>he had moved out two years prior. He left no

552
00:39:29.519 --> 00:39:37.000
<v Speaker 8>forwarding address. The trial went cold. The trail went cold now.

553
00:39:37.039 --> 00:39:40.159
<v Speaker 8>The post on the vacuumer Kitten Killer Facebook group began

554
00:39:40.239 --> 00:39:43.679
<v Speaker 8>to wane and people moved on to other events. A

555
00:39:43.760 --> 00:39:46.559
<v Speaker 8>four month old puppy mutilated in Texas, a man accused

556
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<v Speaker 8>of killing fifty five dogs, and then Montana, a dog

557
00:39:49.760 --> 00:39:53.000
<v Speaker 8>attacked with a machete in Florida. Occasionally a member would

558
00:39:53.000 --> 00:40:00.559
<v Speaker 8>ask about the kitten killer. Eventually, Boyle randed hand reins

559
00:40:00.559 --> 00:40:03.840
<v Speaker 8>of the vacuim Your Kitten Killer Facebook group to move

560
00:40:03.880 --> 00:40:07.440
<v Speaker 8>in green and nicy punk, and they used it as

561
00:40:07.440 --> 00:40:11.079
<v Speaker 8>an outpost for their newly formed Animal Beta Project. Still hopeful, they.

562
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<v Speaker 3>Lucky Land Casino, asking people what's the weirdest place you've

563
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<v Speaker 3>gotten lucky?

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<v Speaker 2>Lucky? In line at the Delhi I guess.

565
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<v Speaker 3>Ah, in my dentist's office more than once.

566
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<v Speaker 2>Actually do I have to say?

567
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<v Speaker 1>Yes? You do?

568
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<v Speaker 3>In the car before my kid's PTA meeting?

569
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<v Speaker 1>Really?

570
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<v Speaker 3>Yes? Excuse me? What's the weirdest place you've gotten lucky?

571
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<v Speaker 3>I never win? And tell well, there you have it.

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<v Speaker 6>You could get lucky anywhere playing at lucky landslots dot

573
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<v Speaker 6>com play for free right now?

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<v Speaker 3>Are you feeling lucky?

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<v Speaker 8>No?

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<v Speaker 3>We're just necessary foid low eighteen plus terms conditions, plus eygin.

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<v Speaker 8>S at Google and news alerts for Luca Magnata and waited.

578
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<v Speaker 8>On December second, twenty eleven, a video titled Python Christmas

579
00:40:51.000 --> 00:40:54.599
<v Speaker 8>appeared on the site Flicks, posted from an account registered

580
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<v Speaker 8>in England. The video showed a live kitten being fed

581
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<v Speaker 8>to a python. Another video was posted showing a kitten

582
00:41:03.039 --> 00:41:04.679
<v Speaker 8>duct taped to the end of a stick and being

583
00:41:04.760 --> 00:41:09.119
<v Speaker 8>drowned in a bathtub. Green, Movin and the rest of

584
00:41:09.159 --> 00:41:12.599
<v Speaker 8>the detectives began to research these new videos. They found

585
00:41:12.599 --> 00:41:16.639
<v Speaker 8>that Facebook pages discussing the videos had been set up

586
00:41:16.960 --> 00:41:19.039
<v Speaker 8>just a month earlier, and pictures of the cats were

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00:41:19.039 --> 00:41:23.199
<v Speaker 8>posted in November as well, a month before the videos appeared,

588
00:41:23.199 --> 00:41:26.599
<v Speaker 8>said Green. He was talking about it. That's Luca's m o.

589
00:41:27.159 --> 00:41:29.199
<v Speaker 8>He tries to create a buzz.

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00:41:30.800 --> 00:41:31.000
<v Speaker 5>Now.

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<v Speaker 8>To try to determine where Magnata was now, they spotted

592
00:41:33.440 --> 00:41:37.360
<v Speaker 8>a photo a front of him in front of Buckingham Palace.

593
00:41:38.119 --> 00:41:42.920
<v Speaker 8>Magnota had photo shot himself into photos of landmarks before,

594
00:41:43.880 --> 00:41:46.000
<v Speaker 8>but it turns out this time he actually was in

595
00:41:46.000 --> 00:41:53.519
<v Speaker 8>Britain in December. On December eighth, Son, UK reporter Alex

596
00:41:53.559 --> 00:41:57.320
<v Speaker 8>West tweeted to Luca if you want to talk, follow

597
00:41:57.400 --> 00:42:01.519
<v Speaker 8>me and I'll DM you. Magnata went to the Sun

598
00:42:01.599 --> 00:42:04.880
<v Speaker 8>newsroom to deny allegations that he killed the kittens. The

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00:42:04.960 --> 00:42:09.559
<v Speaker 8>reporter Alex West then found him at the pub he

600
00:42:09.599 --> 00:42:15.039
<v Speaker 8>was staying above and conducted a twenty minute interview. Then,

601
00:42:15.079 --> 00:42:19.840
<v Speaker 8>on December twelfth, an email from someone calling himself John Kilbride,

602
00:42:20.360 --> 00:42:23.199
<v Speaker 8>the name of one of the infamous Moore's victims, was

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00:42:23.239 --> 00:42:27.320
<v Speaker 8>sent to the Sun. It ended with, so I have

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00:42:27.480 --> 00:42:30.519
<v Speaker 8>to disappear for a while until people quit bothering me.

605
00:42:31.239 --> 00:42:33.760
<v Speaker 8>But next time you hear from me, it will be

606
00:42:33.920 --> 00:42:36.320
<v Speaker 8>in a movie I am producing that We'll have some

607
00:42:36.559 --> 00:42:42.119
<v Speaker 8>humans in it, not just pussies. I will, however, send

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<v Speaker 8>you a copy of the new video I'm going to

609
00:42:43.960 --> 00:42:49.320
<v Speaker 8>be making. Once you kill and taste blood, it's impossible

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00:42:49.320 --> 00:42:57.679
<v Speaker 8>to stop. West said. He contacted Scotland Yard, but Magnata

611
00:42:57.800 --> 00:43:03.239
<v Speaker 8>was gone again. Green tweeted to the RSPCA, providing them

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00:43:03.239 --> 00:43:06.000
<v Speaker 8>a link to the lengthy dossi on Magnata that that

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00:43:06.119 --> 00:43:09.119
<v Speaker 8>he had created, and also reached out the West. With

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00:43:09.360 --> 00:43:16.000
<v Speaker 8>no luck. Green and move And began feverishly analyzing the

615
00:43:16.039 --> 00:43:19.840
<v Speaker 8>new activity, but Luca had again disappeared inside the Internet.

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00:43:19.960 --> 00:43:23.719
<v Speaker 8>But in January twenty twelve, they spotted something odd a

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00:43:23.760 --> 00:43:26.280
<v Speaker 8>comment made from what they believed to be one of

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00:43:26.360 --> 00:43:31.360
<v Speaker 8>Magnata's sock puppet Facebook accounts on a Facebook page of

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<v Speaker 8>an obscure Montreal house DJ named three Star. It was

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<v Speaker 8>something about without a connection to Montreal, a person would

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<v Speaker 8>never have posted. In the middle of the video was

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<v Speaker 8>a photo of Magnatus standing on a set of unique

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<v Speaker 8>stone steps. It was not something that could be found

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<v Speaker 8>in just any city. We started working on that picture.

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<v Speaker 8>We took notes of the trees, the foliage, the street lights.

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<v Speaker 8>We went street by street, city by city. They discovered

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<v Speaker 8>that the same street lights and crosswalks from the photo

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<v Speaker 8>were located in Montreal. The group quickly contacted a Toronto detective,

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<v Speaker 8>who explained that the case was now out of his

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<v Speaker 8>jurisdiction and they would need to file a complaint with

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<v Speaker 8>the Montreal SPCA. After months and months of searching, they

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<v Speaker 8>thought they might get some help. All they said was,

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<v Speaker 8>it's just cats. There's nothing we can do about it.

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<v Speaker 8>We don't have time for this. They just kept pressing them,

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<v Speaker 8>but they told them to go to the police. Montreal's

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<v Speaker 8>a big city. We didn't know exactly where he was.

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<v Speaker 8>We didn't find a lot because he was on because

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<v Speaker 8>a lot of it was on the internet. We didn't

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<v Speaker 8>know when it happened and where it happened. When they

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<v Speaker 8>went to a prosecutor and to get an arrest I warrant,

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<v Speaker 8>they didn't succeed. At that time. Magnotta was not a murderer.

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<v Speaker 8>On March third, a post was made in blogspot dot

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<v Speaker 8>Ca titled necrophiliac serial killer Luca Magnata. A month later,

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<v Speaker 8>on April twenty second and twenty fourth, four videos were

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<v Speaker 8>posted by user Rita van Volkenberg on YouTube, all with

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<v Speaker 8>the same title cannibal serial killer Luca Magnata, but in

647
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<v Speaker 8>multiple languages. On May fifteenth, an anonymous Yahoo post talked

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<v Speaker 8>about a video circulating on tar, the Onion router, or

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<v Speaker 8>the deep Web. All I know is that it was

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<v Speaker 8>shot in San Francisco. I've been trying to find it

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<v Speaker 8>for weeks. The same day, YouTube user Alex Vulerk uploaded

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<v Speaker 8>a video containing a still photo of a figure in

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<v Speaker 8>a purple hooded sweatshe holding an ice pick in a

654
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<v Speaker 8>stabbing position. It was titled one Lunatic, one ice pick video.

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<v Speaker 8>A thread on www dot psychforms dot com was started

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<v Speaker 8>declaring that the one Lunatic one ice Pick video was

657
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<v Speaker 8>real and was created by a twenty year old in

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<v Speaker 8>San Francisco. On May twenty five, twenty twelve, a video

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<v Speaker 8>titled one Lunatic, one ice Pick was uploaded to the

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<v Speaker 8>Gore sites the YNC and Best Gore destinations for explicit

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<v Speaker 8>videos and images of real life blood and guts. The

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<v Speaker 8>draw millions of monthly viewers. This seemingly edited video. This

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<v Speaker 8>is going to be an opportunity for me to take

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<v Speaker 8>a break right now. When we just started to talk

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<v Speaker 8>about the video that was uploaded on May twenty fifth,

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<v Speaker 8>May twenty fifth, starts off with a eighties band called

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<v Speaker 8>New Order and a song called Faith, very much like

721
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<v Speaker 8>a rock video might be. There is some editing. In

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<v Speaker 8>the first fifty three seconds or so, with the soundtrack

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<v Speaker 8>in the background, we see a seemingly young man loosely

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<v Speaker 8>bound with some rope, but obviously alive and seemingly not

725
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<v Speaker 8>in any kind of distress, with a towel or some

726
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<v Speaker 8>fabric over his face. After that fifty three seconds, it

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<v Speaker 8>is with any kind of analysis you see the perpetrator

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<v Speaker 8>enter into the frame and with a knife, clad in

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<v Speaker 8>a dark hoodie and with a glove, he begins to

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<v Speaker 8>stab body over and over and over again quickly, and

731
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<v Speaker 8>in the midsection of this naked torso that's on the

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<v Speaker 8>bed now with a black towel over the victim's head

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<v Speaker 8>and his arm over his chest and his left arm

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<v Speaker 8>to his side. The body of course motionless, and there

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<v Speaker 8>is no blood surprisingly coming out of those wounds. As

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<v Speaker 8>I say, the face is covered with a black towel

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<v Speaker 8>or some fabric. For a good minute. The perpetrator continues

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<v Speaker 8>to stab and stab and stab with this knife looking

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<v Speaker 8>like about maybe a six inch or so blade, not

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<v Speaker 8>a huge knife on the screen, it says the YNC

741
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<v Speaker 8>dot com, noting the gore sight that first posted this.

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<v Speaker 8>I believe again, like I say, there seems to be editing.

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<v Speaker 8>And then the next scene, he does a close up

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<v Speaker 8>with the camera. Now he's out of the frame himself,

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<v Speaker 8>but it looks like he's grabbed the camera and is

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<v Speaker 8>zeroing in on a close up of the wounds, and

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<v Speaker 8>again we see numerous wounds, there's red and volved, but

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<v Speaker 8>there's no blood oozing out. Shortly after, he then starts

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<v Speaker 8>making long slices in the legs in the right leg

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<v Speaker 8>of the victim, and again surprisingly there's no blood coming

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<v Speaker 8>out immediately, but you can see very clearly these slices

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<v Speaker 8>are deep and long and resulting in deep gashes to

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<v Speaker 8>the flesh. The music continues and as does the editing.

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<v Speaker 8>There's a poster of Casablanca movie on the wall. Now

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<v Speaker 8>he shows the victim with his head decapitated, close to

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<v Speaker 8>the body, but definitely showing the head bloodied and decapitated,

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<v Speaker 8>now not without the towel or the fabric obscuring it.

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<v Speaker 8>He now rotates this head, grabbing it by the hair

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<v Speaker 8>and near a scale I guess like a measuring guide

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<v Speaker 8>to show the head, but keeps twisting the head around.

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<v Speaker 8>He then takes the knife, which is again there's more editing.

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<v Speaker 8>He proceeds to slice the arm off near the shoulder,

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<v Speaker 8>just keeps sawing at this arm, continuing to cut into

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<v Speaker 8>the flesh, and this is obviously edited and we are

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<v Speaker 8>seeing close ups of the actual amputation. He slices into

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<v Speaker 8>the back of the victim again, long slices that very

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<v Speaker 8>soon show up on the screen again a YNC dot

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<v Speaker 8>com showing the gore sight that this has been posted to.

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<v Speaker 8>He's doing crisscross slicing on the back of the victim.

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<v Speaker 8>The body now is on its stomach, The arm has

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<v Speaker 8>been severed completely off. He grabs it by the wrist

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<v Speaker 8>and is fondling his own genitalia with the hand of

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<v Speaker 8>the severed limb. There is no bed sheet on the

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<v Speaker 8>bed itself. There's a fair amount great amount of blood

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<v Speaker 8>on that mattress. He continues to defile this body with

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<v Speaker 8>this limb. Now he shows one of the limbs with

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<v Speaker 8>the bone jutting out, the other leg almost completely severed off.

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<v Speaker 8>The man decapitated, now on his stomach, He continues to

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<v Speaker 8>slice now the entire leg off the right leg. The

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<v Speaker 8>next edit shows the body now on its stomach, legless, headless,

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<v Speaker 8>and the hooded figure mounts the body from behind and

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<v Speaker 8>sodomizes the legless corpse again with the music. Now it's

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<v Speaker 8>edited and shows both legs cut off just below the buttox.

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<v Speaker 8>He is then now shown with a knife, a steak

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<v Speaker 8>knife and a fork crisscross cutting into the flesh with

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<v Speaker 8>some difficulty trying to get a again, it's quite a

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<v Speaker 8>significant chunk of flesh from this victim's buttox. And then

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<v Speaker 8>he takes that piece of flesh that he has some

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<v Speaker 8>difficulty finally cutting from the buttox and appears to put

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<v Speaker 8>the piece of flesh on the fork to his own

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<v Speaker 8>mouth a small dog. He continues cutting with the knife

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<v Speaker 8>and fork A small dog enters the scene and begins licking, biting,

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<v Speaker 8>and nibbling on the flesh of the leg the stump

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<v Speaker 8>of the leg of the victim. Somewhat later, he shows

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<v Speaker 8>stills of his handiwork, the severed arm in the freezer

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<v Speaker 8>of a fridge, and the leg of the decapitated corpse

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<v Speaker 8>in various scenes. As I say, it's edited, and finally

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<v Speaker 8>he takes the severed arm again, lays on the bed

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<v Speaker 8>it removes his clothes, but all you can see is

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<v Speaker 8>his widespread legs and him again defiling the body part

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<v Speaker 8>with his on his own genitalia, masturbating with it. And

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<v Speaker 8>then shows at the end shots close ups of his

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<v Speaker 8>finished handiwork and closeups of the severed limbs themselves, the

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<v Speaker 8>head and shows the measurement the head before and after

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<v Speaker 8>being severed. And that is the end of the video. Now,

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<v Speaker 8>Luca magnota, Now, Luca magnot up.

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<v Speaker 5>Pardon me?

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<v Speaker 8>Now. Magnata flew from Montreal to Paris on May using

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<v Speaker 8>a false passport under the name Kirk Trammel. His cell

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<v Speaker 8>phone signal was traced to a hotel in Bagnolette, but

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<v Speaker 8>he had left by the time police arrived. Pornographic magazines

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<v Speaker 8>and an airsickness bag were found in the hotel room.

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<v Speaker 8>He had contacts in Paris from a previous visit in

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<v Speaker 8>twenty ten, and police were following a large framed man

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<v Speaker 8>who had been in contact with Magnata. Another man he

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<v Speaker 8>stayed with for two nights. Did not realize who he

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<v Speaker 8>was until he had left. Magneta then boarded a Eurolines

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<v Speaker 8>bus at the Bagnolette coach station bound for Berlin, Germany,

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<v Speaker 8>and arrived May thirty first. Frank Rupert's first contact with

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01:01:49.639 --> 01:01:54.159
<v Speaker 8>Magnata was April or May twenty twelve, when they hooked

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<v Speaker 8>up via an online chat line chat site called gay Romeo.

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<v Speaker 4>Now.

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<v Speaker 8>He initially expected Magnata in Paris on June fourth. Instead,

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<v Speaker 8>he arrived May twenty seventh. He spent a few days

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<v Speaker 8>there first and arrived in Berlin on May thirty first.

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<v Speaker 8>He arrived in Berlin with a few thousand euros, no luggage,

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<v Speaker 8>and reportedly looking for a fresh start after breaking up

828
01:02:22.400 --> 01:02:29.039
<v Speaker 8>with his lover in the French capital. Over the four days,

829
01:02:29.079 --> 01:02:32.360
<v Speaker 8>the two men used Google Translate on their respective laptops

830
01:02:32.400 --> 01:02:36.039
<v Speaker 8>to communicate, as neither spoke the other's language. They spent

831
01:02:36.119 --> 01:02:39.880
<v Speaker 8>much of their time together shopping, eating and drinking. They

832
01:02:39.880 --> 01:02:42.199
<v Speaker 8>didn't have sex because Magnata was not his type and

833
01:02:42.239 --> 01:02:46.119
<v Speaker 8>appeared much older than in his online profile age of

834
01:02:46.159 --> 01:02:51.880
<v Speaker 8>twenty two or twenty three. During their time together, Rubert

835
01:02:52.159 --> 01:02:54.360
<v Speaker 8>only knew the accused as Kirk or by his gay

836
01:02:54.519 --> 01:02:58.320
<v Speaker 8>Romeo user name William twenty three to twenty three. He

837
01:02:58.360 --> 01:03:00.559
<v Speaker 8>took some photos of Magnata because he said he wanted

838
01:03:00.559 --> 01:03:03.239
<v Speaker 8>to set up a new gay Romeo account, so he

839
01:03:03.320 --> 01:03:08.000
<v Speaker 8>began working on as an escort in Berlin. They went

840
01:03:08.039 --> 01:03:10.639
<v Speaker 8>to gay bars so Magnauta could talk to other foreigners

841
01:03:11.119 --> 01:03:16.239
<v Speaker 8>about their escort experiences. They socialized for four days without

842
01:03:16.239 --> 01:03:22.960
<v Speaker 8>anything untoward really happening. Magnata was seemed generous and often

843
01:03:22.960 --> 01:03:30.559
<v Speaker 8>bought drinks and meals for others. On June fourth, twenty twelve,

844
01:03:30.679 --> 01:03:32.960
<v Speaker 8>the pair had parted ways for a few hours because

845
01:03:33.119 --> 01:03:37.880
<v Speaker 8>Rubert was not comfortable with the q staying alone at

846
01:03:37.880 --> 01:03:42.440
<v Speaker 8>his apartment while he ran an errand Rubert told Magnata

847
01:03:42.519 --> 01:03:44.880
<v Speaker 8>he should go to an internet cafe to pass the time.

848
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<v Speaker 8>It was during that time a part that Rubert picked

849
01:03:49.360 --> 01:03:52.000
<v Speaker 8>up a newspaper and saw a mug shot of Magnata

850
01:03:52.880 --> 01:03:56.639
<v Speaker 8>alongside a story describing an international manhunt for his arrest

851
01:03:56.880 --> 01:04:03.079
<v Speaker 8>on suspicion of murder. Now Rubert contacted police and waited

852
01:04:03.119 --> 01:04:08.119
<v Speaker 8>at a nearby station. A man named cadd and Laeisly

853
01:04:08.920 --> 01:04:12.000
<v Speaker 8>was working at his job at an internet cafe in Berlin.

854
01:04:13.159 --> 01:04:16.000
<v Speaker 8>At eleven am. A man walked in wearing sunglasses and

855
01:04:16.000 --> 01:04:21.800
<v Speaker 8>makeup and said, monjour internet now and lay Visley was

856
01:04:22.760 --> 01:04:27.000
<v Speaker 8>he would describe himself as a news junkie. Recognize the

857
01:04:27.039 --> 01:04:31.159
<v Speaker 8>faith but face, but couldn't quite place it. Now. From

858
01:04:31.159 --> 01:04:33.400
<v Speaker 8>his workstation, he was looking at the monitors of his

859
01:04:33.480 --> 01:04:37.199
<v Speaker 8>customers and noticed that the man in sunglasses was viewing

860
01:04:37.559 --> 01:04:41.800
<v Speaker 8>numerous articles about a killer in Montreal that and his

861
01:04:41.960 --> 01:04:45.960
<v Speaker 8>lady and Lady Isley had read about. And then it

862
01:04:46.039 --> 01:04:52.559
<v Speaker 8>clicked this was him now, and lazily flagged down a

863
01:04:52.559 --> 01:04:55.599
<v Speaker 8>group of cadets in training that happened to be passing by,

864
01:04:55.960 --> 01:05:00.360
<v Speaker 8>and they immediately confronted Magnata, who initially cave him a

865
01:05:00.360 --> 01:05:05.599
<v Speaker 8>false name and quickly told them you got me, and

866
01:05:06.239 --> 01:05:09.119
<v Speaker 8>they found on his monitor Magnata had been googling photos

867
01:05:09.119 --> 01:05:16.400
<v Speaker 8>and articles about himself. Magnata was nabbed and police seized

868
01:05:16.599 --> 01:05:23.719
<v Speaker 8>personal items from Rubert's apartment right at that time. The

869
01:05:23.800 --> 01:05:28.360
<v Speaker 8>German police wished him a happy birthday, and he told

870
01:05:28.400 --> 01:05:32.639
<v Speaker 8>the police that it wasn't his birthday, and police insisted, oh, yes,

871
01:05:32.760 --> 01:05:42.239
<v Speaker 8>it is your birthday. You could have been next. Now,

872
01:05:42.519 --> 01:05:47.199
<v Speaker 8>the murder tape was made from raw video files that

873
01:05:47.239 --> 01:05:55.000
<v Speaker 8>were later recovered from Magnata's camera. The full unedited tape

874
01:05:55.159 --> 01:06:03.880
<v Speaker 8>included the actual sounds recorded during the murder. The long

875
01:06:04.000 --> 01:06:06.880
<v Speaker 8>version of the video revealed that Lynn's throat had been

876
01:06:06.920 --> 01:06:11.400
<v Speaker 8>slashed prior to the brutal stabbings. I guess, hence no blood,

877
01:06:13.719 --> 01:06:18.599
<v Speaker 8>and that the likely cause of death was the cut

878
01:06:18.639 --> 01:06:23.000
<v Speaker 8>to the throat. And in the long version of the

879
01:06:23.079 --> 01:06:28.760
<v Speaker 8>video it is confirmed, not just hinted at, that there

880
01:06:28.920 --> 01:06:37.840
<v Speaker 8>was cannibalism, acts of cannibalism. Now Luca Magnata is arrested

881
01:06:39.000 --> 01:06:43.360
<v Speaker 8>in Berlin, he waives his extradition, he's brought back to Canada,

882
01:06:44.760 --> 01:06:53.239
<v Speaker 8>and this trial begins. And this trial ended in December.

883
01:06:55.119 --> 01:06:58.480
<v Speaker 8>It is now February twenty fifteen. It ended in December.

884
01:07:00.400 --> 01:07:04.559
<v Speaker 8>And at the trial, of course, it took ten weeks.

885
01:07:05.000 --> 01:07:07.599
<v Speaker 8>I called those kinds of witnesses, and there was as

886
01:07:07.679 --> 01:07:14.239
<v Speaker 8>I pains, painstakingly brought you through all the evidence that

887
01:07:14.400 --> 01:07:18.119
<v Speaker 8>was used for their psychiatric defense, that he was insane

888
01:07:18.360 --> 01:07:20.360
<v Speaker 8>at the time of the murder, that he was insane

889
01:07:20.440 --> 01:07:24.760
<v Speaker 8>before that, that he was schizophrenic, and ultimately they had

890
01:07:26.159 --> 01:07:35.960
<v Speaker 8>testimony from psychiatrists to say that he was insane, that

891
01:07:36.000 --> 01:07:40.519
<v Speaker 8>he was schizophrenic, that he had been diagnosed as having

892
01:07:40.880 --> 01:07:47.920
<v Speaker 8>psychiatric issues before and as a result, he would not

893
01:07:47.960 --> 01:07:51.400
<v Speaker 8>be responsible for his murder. He did not could not

894
01:07:52.480 --> 01:07:59.119
<v Speaker 8>discern right from wrong now. At trial, Luca Rocco Magnauta

895
01:07:59.280 --> 01:08:05.079
<v Speaker 8>said voices instructed him to kill Jean Lynn amid his

896
01:08:05.119 --> 01:08:08.360
<v Speaker 8>own fears a Chinese student was a Canadian government agent

897
01:08:08.400 --> 01:08:12.599
<v Speaker 8>who had been sent to kill him, and a psychiatrist

898
01:08:12.599 --> 01:08:17.520
<v Speaker 8>testified at trial Magnauda said, something forced me to do

899
01:08:17.600 --> 01:08:25.760
<v Speaker 8>it now. Twenty months after the slaying, Magnauta began providing

900
01:08:26.119 --> 01:08:30.279
<v Speaker 8>the psychiatrist Allard with details of the events, telling her

901
01:08:31.520 --> 01:08:35.479
<v Speaker 8>Linn replied to his advertisement on Craiglist seeking a bondage partner.

902
01:08:36.399 --> 01:08:40.319
<v Speaker 8>He said he met Lynn for the first time that

903
01:08:40.479 --> 01:08:44.039
<v Speaker 8>night near a subway station, before walking several blocks back

904
01:08:44.079 --> 01:08:49.760
<v Speaker 8>to Magnauta's apartment. Magnauta told Alard that they drank wine

905
01:08:49.760 --> 01:08:53.920
<v Speaker 8>and had sex, and Magnata was the first to be

906
01:08:53.960 --> 01:08:56.680
<v Speaker 8>tied up, but complained Linn was going too fast and

907
01:08:56.840 --> 01:09:04.720
<v Speaker 8>was hurting him, striking him about the head. Now. Alert

908
01:09:04.760 --> 01:09:07.279
<v Speaker 8>said that Magnauta then became very anxious and took some

909
01:09:07.399 --> 01:09:12.000
<v Speaker 8>sleep medication, and that Lynn also asked for some as well.

910
01:09:14.119 --> 01:09:16.399
<v Speaker 8>At one point, Magnauta said he saw a black car

911
01:09:16.439 --> 01:09:19.680
<v Speaker 8>parked outside his building and became paranoid about a government

912
01:09:19.760 --> 01:09:26.920
<v Speaker 8>conspiracy involving Lynn. Alert said Macnauta began hearing voices telling

913
01:09:27.000 --> 01:09:29.279
<v Speaker 8>him to tie up Linn and to cut it, and

914
01:09:29.319 --> 01:09:34.800
<v Speaker 8>to do it. He's from the government. Subsequently, Magnata slid

915
01:09:34.840 --> 01:09:40.079
<v Speaker 8>his road and decapitated him. Jean Lynn was the unfortunate

916
01:09:40.159 --> 01:09:44.680
<v Speaker 8>victim of a psychotic man. Alert said mister Magnauta killed

917
01:09:45.279 --> 01:09:50.439
<v Speaker 8>who he thought was a government agent. The psychiatrist testified

918
01:09:50.520 --> 01:09:53.640
<v Speaker 8>that Magnauda said he published the one Lunatic, one ice

919
01:09:53.720 --> 01:09:56.319
<v Speaker 8>Pick video of Lynn in an effort to shut out

920
01:09:56.319 --> 01:10:01.840
<v Speaker 8>the voices before his slaying, and had reportedly consented having

921
01:10:02.239 --> 01:10:08.760
<v Speaker 8>their sexual acts filmed. Six days earlier, Magnata had a

922
01:10:08.800 --> 01:10:13.560
<v Speaker 8>similar encounter with an unidentified man, but with Lynn. Something

923
01:10:13.720 --> 01:10:19.439
<v Speaker 8>just happened in my brain he said. Once Lynn's body

924
01:10:19.520 --> 01:10:22.760
<v Speaker 8>was dismembered, Magnata said he kept hearing voices telling him

925
01:10:22.920 --> 01:10:26.960
<v Speaker 8>to give it back to government, and various parts of

926
01:10:27.000 --> 01:10:30.800
<v Speaker 8>Linn's body were sent in packages to political party offices

927
01:10:30.920 --> 01:10:36.600
<v Speaker 8>in Ottawa and two elementary schools in British Columbia. Magnata

928
01:10:36.640 --> 01:10:39.359
<v Speaker 8>said he considered sending Lynz Torso but could not figure

929
01:10:39.359 --> 01:10:44.039
<v Speaker 8>out how as why body parts were mailed to two

930
01:10:44.119 --> 01:10:50.680
<v Speaker 8>Vancouver schools. Magnata told Alert he discussed the western Canadian

931
01:10:50.720 --> 01:10:57.199
<v Speaker 8>city with Lynn. He hardly slept after lynn saying slaying,

932
01:10:57.239 --> 01:10:59.920
<v Speaker 8>he said, but he did remember eating pizza at one point,

933
01:11:00.560 --> 01:11:03.479
<v Speaker 8>and he said, it's very scary how I could do that,

934
01:11:04.600 --> 01:11:18.359
<v Speaker 8>referring to the killing now. The obsession with government and

935
01:11:18.399 --> 01:11:24.239
<v Speaker 8>spying was present when his schizophreny was initially diagnosed, Alard said,

936
01:11:26.119 --> 01:11:31.279
<v Speaker 8>and Magnata told Alard that antipsychotic medications helped ease the paranoia,

937
01:11:31.439 --> 01:11:35.199
<v Speaker 8>but he didn't take them all the time. He said.

938
01:11:35.199 --> 01:11:38.039
<v Speaker 8>The fear of being spied on led to frequent address changes,

939
01:11:38.159 --> 01:11:42.039
<v Speaker 8>multiple online profiles, the use of a wig, and various

940
01:11:42.119 --> 01:11:45.239
<v Speaker 8>changes of cell phone numbers. Alard said he changed his

941
01:11:45.319 --> 01:11:48.560
<v Speaker 8>name to Magnata and part of that same fear, but

942
01:11:48.640 --> 01:11:50.880
<v Speaker 8>also because he wanted to get away from his family.

943
01:11:52.800 --> 01:11:55.600
<v Speaker 8>He chose the surname either for a video game character

944
01:11:55.680 --> 01:12:02.159
<v Speaker 8>or a popular winery in Ontario's Niagara region. Well, Magnata

945
01:12:02.199 --> 01:12:05.119
<v Speaker 8>didn't think he was currently being spied on. He was

946
01:12:05.159 --> 01:12:09.159
<v Speaker 8>convinced it happened in the past. In an earlier testimony,

947
01:12:09.239 --> 01:12:13.439
<v Speaker 8>Alert said Magnauta told him about an email he sent

948
01:12:13.479 --> 01:12:16.439
<v Speaker 8>a British tabloid for telling the murder of a human being.

949
01:12:18.039 --> 01:12:19.920
<v Speaker 8>He said that this was only meant as a threat

950
01:12:19.960 --> 01:12:25.000
<v Speaker 8>to a journalist who had ambushed him after talking about

951
01:12:25.039 --> 01:12:30.439
<v Speaker 8>the kitten killing video. Now the Crown contended that the

952
01:12:30.479 --> 01:12:35.000
<v Speaker 8>communication to the London Sun suggested Magnauta was clearly planning

953
01:12:35.119 --> 01:12:38.439
<v Speaker 8>the slaying up the six months in advance of Lynn's killing.

954
01:12:39.880 --> 01:12:43.840
<v Speaker 8>But Alerd said he told that Magnauda said he was

955
01:12:43.880 --> 01:12:49.920
<v Speaker 8>only trying to intimidate the reporter, Alex West, and he

956
01:12:50.000 --> 01:12:54.520
<v Speaker 8>said that magnaut had always thought his plan to kill

957
01:12:54.800 --> 01:12:59.000
<v Speaker 8>someone was stupid and showed a real lack of judgment.

958
01:13:03.199 --> 01:13:06.319
<v Speaker 8>Alert told the jury Magnauta thought his tactic of sending

959
01:13:06.399 --> 01:13:09.560
<v Speaker 8>the email had worked because no story was published following

960
01:13:09.560 --> 01:13:16.319
<v Speaker 8>his encounter with West. Alert said that he believed Magnata

961
01:13:16.439 --> 01:13:20.199
<v Speaker 8>was suffering from schizophrenia and was in a psychosis when

962
01:13:20.239 --> 01:13:25.439
<v Speaker 8>he killed Lynn. He talked also about that MacNaught admitted

963
01:13:25.680 --> 01:13:28.359
<v Speaker 8>making up his affair with convicted killer caller Hamalka in

964
01:13:28.359 --> 01:13:32.399
<v Speaker 8>two thousand and seven. He said Magnauda was seeking notoriety,

965
01:13:32.439 --> 01:13:35.520
<v Speaker 8>but primarily wanted people to believe he was the victim

966
01:13:35.520 --> 01:13:40.199
<v Speaker 8>of harassment. He said the Homalka story spread quickly and

967
01:13:40.520 --> 01:13:45.439
<v Speaker 8>Magnauda lost control. He said that Magnata said he was

968
01:13:45.479 --> 01:13:53.399
<v Speaker 8>not proud of this, he felt ashamed. Alert admitted that

969
01:13:53.720 --> 01:13:57.279
<v Speaker 8>Magnauta said he hit his schizophrenia symptoms from Montreal doctors

970
01:13:57.319 --> 01:13:59.800
<v Speaker 8>a few weeks before Lynn's killing because he was re

971
01:14:00.119 --> 01:14:03.479
<v Speaker 8>quartly afraid that revealing them would prevent him from moving

972
01:14:03.479 --> 01:14:06.960
<v Speaker 8>to France to start a new life. It was a

973
01:14:07.000 --> 01:14:09.880
<v Speaker 8>plan he hatched a few weeks earlier, convinced the government

974
01:14:10.000 --> 01:14:14.239
<v Speaker 8>was spying on him, and he said Magnata went to

975
01:14:14.319 --> 01:14:16.920
<v Speaker 8>great lengths to hide his schizophrenia because of the reaction

976
01:14:17.039 --> 01:14:20.720
<v Speaker 8>others had towards his father, who also had the mental disease.

977
01:14:21.720 --> 01:14:23.319
<v Speaker 8>I don't want to be like that, he told her.

978
01:14:23.600 --> 01:14:29.479
<v Speaker 8>They were afraid of him. At court, They asked, why

979
01:14:29.600 --> 01:14:32.880
<v Speaker 8>was Magnata wearing Lyne's hat hours after the Chinese students

980
01:14:32.880 --> 01:14:36.000
<v Speaker 8>slaying in dismemberment if he believed Lynn was an agent?

981
01:14:36.720 --> 01:14:41.279
<v Speaker 8>Was it kept as a trophy? It was meant as

982
01:14:41.319 --> 01:14:43.560
<v Speaker 8>a message to the government. Why was the so called

983
01:14:43.640 --> 01:14:46.399
<v Speaker 8>murder video of Lyn's gruesome death published on a Gore

984
01:14:46.439 --> 01:14:52.159
<v Speaker 8>website and not sent directly to the government. Why did

985
01:14:52.199 --> 01:14:54.359
<v Speaker 8>Magnata leave his apartment at two am if he thought

986
01:14:54.359 --> 01:15:02.600
<v Speaker 8>government officials spying him were in a dark vehicle outside.

987
01:15:04.119 --> 01:15:08.960
<v Speaker 8>The trial lasted ten weeks. The jury deliberated for three

988
01:15:09.039 --> 01:15:12.880
<v Speaker 8>days and then asked the judge a question, is a

989
01:15:12.960 --> 01:15:17.600
<v Speaker 8>personality disorder considered a mental disorder? And the judge answered

990
01:15:17.640 --> 01:15:21.680
<v Speaker 8>back yes. The only question left to the side was

991
01:15:21.680 --> 01:15:24.640
<v Speaker 8>whether the mental illness rendered him unable to know right

992
01:15:24.640 --> 01:15:28.720
<v Speaker 8>from wrong. After eight and a half days, the jury

993
01:15:28.720 --> 01:15:36.000
<v Speaker 8>came back with a first degree murder conviction. On February

994
01:15:36.039 --> 01:15:41.039
<v Speaker 8>seventeenth of twenty fifteen, Rukee Luca Rocco Magnata formally withdrew

995
01:15:41.039 --> 01:15:44.079
<v Speaker 8>his appeal of a conviction in the first degree murder

996
01:15:44.119 --> 01:15:47.920
<v Speaker 8>of John Lynn, deciding ultimately didn't want to go through

997
01:15:47.960 --> 01:15:52.880
<v Speaker 8>a possible second trial. Magnata appeared before the Quebec Court

998
01:15:52.880 --> 01:15:56.760
<v Speaker 8>of Appeal by video conference from jail on Wednesday, where

999
01:15:56.760 --> 01:15:59.640
<v Speaker 8>a judge asked him if he was abandoning his appeal voluntarily.

1000
01:16:00.920 --> 01:16:03.880
<v Speaker 8>Magnata replied that he was and didn't need more time

1001
01:16:03.920 --> 01:16:08.600
<v Speaker 8>to consider his decision. Now, the dropping of the appeal

1002
01:16:08.720 --> 01:16:14.840
<v Speaker 8>could facilitate a meeting between Lynn's father, Duran Lynn, and Magnata.

1003
01:16:15.479 --> 01:16:21.880
<v Speaker 8>Magnautas Montreal lawyer and a Montreal lawyer who represented John

1004
01:16:21.960 --> 01:16:24.279
<v Speaker 8>Lynn's family said they'd be open to a meeting with

1005
01:16:24.399 --> 01:16:28.239
<v Speaker 8>Manada when the appeal issue was out of the way.

1006
01:16:31.439 --> 01:16:34.439
<v Speaker 8>Lynn's father, Duran Lynn, wants Magnauta to clear up many

1007
01:16:34.600 --> 01:16:38.359
<v Speaker 8>unanswered questions he has about his son's death. He wants

1008
01:16:38.399 --> 01:16:42.720
<v Speaker 8>to hear something, some kind of response, some remorse from

1009
01:16:42.760 --> 01:16:44.920
<v Speaker 8>the killer of his son, and he would like to

1010
01:16:45.000 --> 01:16:50.680
<v Speaker 8>learn more about what happened that night. Magnauta's Toronto based lawyer,

1011
01:16:50.760 --> 01:16:54.399
<v Speaker 8>Luke Leclair said Magnauta too would be open to a

1012
01:16:54.399 --> 01:17:07.640
<v Speaker 8>meeting with Durhan Lynn. I want to thank you very

1013
01:17:07.720 --> 01:17:12.199
<v Speaker 8>much for listening to this very dry recitation of an

1014
01:17:12.279 --> 01:17:16.279
<v Speaker 8>incredible crime. There has been no books so far about

1015
01:17:16.439 --> 01:17:21.479
<v Speaker 8>the Luca magnetic trial, some of the best information and

1016
01:17:21.720 --> 01:17:26.319
<v Speaker 8>some really good writing, despite my poor attempt at narrating.

1017
01:17:26.319 --> 01:17:33.920
<v Speaker 8>It came from Rolling Stone article about animal activists being

1018
01:17:33.960 --> 01:17:37.600
<v Speaker 8>involved in the hunt for Luca Magnata. So you look

1019
01:17:37.640 --> 01:17:39.960
<v Speaker 8>that up in a past issue of Rolling Stone. I

1020
01:17:39.960 --> 01:17:43.920
<v Speaker 8>believe it's animal instinct. I believe that the article is

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01:17:43.960 --> 01:17:47.000
<v Speaker 8>called and that's where I gave this incredible amount of

1022
01:17:47.000 --> 01:17:52.239
<v Speaker 8>information with all the American ties and all these activists

1023
01:17:52.279 --> 01:17:55.359
<v Speaker 8>getting online and trying to hunt down this kitten killer.

1024
01:17:56.039 --> 01:17:58.000
<v Speaker 8>And as they warned the authorities at that time, and

1025
01:17:58.039 --> 01:18:02.119
<v Speaker 8>I didn't mention, they said, this guy, these people end

1026
01:18:02.239 --> 01:18:07.159
<v Speaker 8>up being serial killers. They end up moving from animals

1027
01:18:07.199 --> 01:18:11.319
<v Speaker 8>to killers. And so while they're on the trail a

1028
01:18:11.359 --> 01:18:16.079
<v Speaker 8>little too late, Luca Magnat has struck. And that's why

1029
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<v Speaker 8>we call this episode Psycho Killer Superstar. Remember this episode

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<v Speaker 8>of True Murder was brought to you by Audible, the

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