WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.080 --> 00:00:07.400 Hey everybody, I'm Sierrah and welcome back to another episode 2 00:00:07.519 --> 00:00:11.720 of The Unsolved Couple, where every week my handsome cost 3 00:00:11.759 --> 00:00:16.039 and I've been recap one of your original gateway drugs 4 00:00:16.039 --> 00:00:29.160 into true crime, unsolved Mystery. Okay, I'm back from crime Con. Welcome, Welcome, 5 00:00:29.280 --> 00:00:33.039 Welcome to all of my new friends that I met 6 00:00:33.159 --> 00:00:34.159 this last weekend. 7 00:00:34.479 --> 00:00:35.439 Tell us all about it. 8 00:00:36.200 --> 00:00:39.320 Well, it was an amazing weekend and I would love 9 00:00:39.399 --> 00:00:40.920 to tell you more about it, but we just don't 10 00:00:40.920 --> 00:00:42.479 have the time, So I'm going to have to talk 11 00:00:42.520 --> 00:00:44.479 to you about it. I hear all about it on 12 00:00:44.560 --> 00:00:47.000 the next episode. I want to hear about it. We 13 00:00:47.079 --> 00:00:50.520 just don't have the time. We are want to hear 14 00:00:50.520 --> 00:00:52.920 about I was a great success and all of our 15 00:00:52.960 --> 00:00:55.119 new friends. Say hi to our new friends. 16 00:00:56.479 --> 00:00:59.759 I will not until you tell me all about crime 17 00:00:59.799 --> 00:01:03.079 I couldn't possibly she's not telling you because she hasn't 18 00:01:03.119 --> 00:01:05.959 gone yet. We're recording this before she goes. 19 00:01:06.079 --> 00:01:08.640 Hey, do not give away our podcast secrets. 20 00:01:08.879 --> 00:01:11.799 I think we've told this like a thousand times. 21 00:01:12.400 --> 00:01:16.439 No, But if you are new listening to us from 22 00:01:16.519 --> 00:01:20.000 crime Con, I'm especially extra exciting to have you here. 23 00:01:20.079 --> 00:01:25.000 Please make sure you follow, like, subscribe, share. Okay, but 24 00:01:25.239 --> 00:01:30.799 we are recapping part two of season four, episode twenty three, 25 00:01:32.000 --> 00:01:36.599 The Unsolved Mystery of the Diabolical Mind. 26 00:01:37.359 --> 00:01:41.840 I'm irritated we're still at this section this episode. 27 00:01:42.599 --> 00:01:45.200 I loved this episode. I liked our even our discussion 28 00:01:45.280 --> 00:01:45.640 we had. 29 00:01:45.719 --> 00:01:48.280 I'm not saying we I'm not saying I didn't like 30 00:01:48.439 --> 00:01:52.159 what we did. I don't like this episode. 31 00:01:52.640 --> 00:01:55.319 Okay, Well, they're gonna have to get over it because 32 00:01:55.319 --> 00:01:56.640 we have all podcast right now. 33 00:01:57.879 --> 00:01:58.799 I don't like this show. 34 00:01:59.200 --> 00:02:03.400 The only way I think. I don't like this show. 35 00:02:03.959 --> 00:02:06.319 Everyone is aware of that at this point. 36 00:02:06.920 --> 00:02:09.680 I just feel that sometimes I have to state that 37 00:02:10.319 --> 00:02:11.400 you want to remind people. 38 00:02:11.439 --> 00:02:19.039 I want to remind people I don't like this show. Okay, well, 39 00:02:19.919 --> 00:02:24.199 I don't like the word diabolical few friends. As you 40 00:02:24.240 --> 00:02:27.159 can tell, I'm excited to have you here. Ben shows 41 00:02:27.199 --> 00:02:30.400 his excitement in a different way, but he's also excited 42 00:02:30.400 --> 00:02:32.159 to have all of our new listeners. 43 00:02:32.400 --> 00:02:36.319 I appreciate the people this support. Yeah, a dumb show. 44 00:02:36.599 --> 00:02:41.800 A dumb show, not this show. Robert Nachs, this show, 45 00:02:42.719 --> 00:02:45.479 not ours. Okay until mystery show. 46 00:02:45.800 --> 00:02:46.039 M H. 47 00:02:46.680 --> 00:02:48.520 How do you feel about Robert though our hosts? 48 00:02:48.639 --> 00:02:52.240 I like Robert, you know how I feel about Robert. 49 00:02:52.439 --> 00:02:55.439 His way of speaking is very eloquent. 50 00:02:55.800 --> 00:02:58.439 I wish I could speak halfway like Robert. 51 00:02:58.759 --> 00:03:00.719 I agree, I wish you could too. 52 00:03:01.439 --> 00:03:03.319 I mean, I guess if you had someone that wrote 53 00:03:03.360 --> 00:03:04.960 scripts for you in life. 54 00:03:05.159 --> 00:03:07.800 I read that he wrote a lot of his own. Yeah, 55 00:03:07.800 --> 00:03:10.280 you got to sit down and write. He was dest 56 00:03:10.319 --> 00:03:12.599 be an actor. That's right. 57 00:03:12.680 --> 00:03:15.719 He wasn't that one show. I don't remember what it was. 58 00:03:15.960 --> 00:03:17.719 It was a crime detective show. 59 00:03:18.599 --> 00:03:19.879 Robert is awesome. 60 00:03:20.520 --> 00:03:21.759 He was. He was a good man. 61 00:03:22.120 --> 00:03:24.639 Do you think we should put a statue of Robert somewhere? 62 00:03:25.039 --> 00:03:27.319 Do you wish that we could get a Wiji board 63 00:03:27.479 --> 00:03:30.360 and summon the spirit of Robert Stacks? 64 00:03:30.879 --> 00:03:33.240 We jumped a short. Let's move on. 65 00:03:33.560 --> 00:03:38.240 Okay, all right, So if you haven't listened already, Part 66 00:03:38.360 --> 00:03:41.680 one is last week. Part two is this week. Last week, 67 00:03:41.719 --> 00:03:46.680 we talked to you about two notorious or infamous serial killers, 68 00:03:46.759 --> 00:03:51.840 and then Ben told us about two notorious terrible world 69 00:03:51.919 --> 00:03:53.080 leaders or dictators. 70 00:03:53.080 --> 00:03:54.719 I don't think anyone's ever heard of those lads. 71 00:03:54.719 --> 00:03:58.960 We went on to do terrible things, and we had 72 00:03:59.080 --> 00:04:01.159 kind of we had a lot of discussion around nature 73 00:04:01.280 --> 00:04:06.360 versus nurture and just the whole psychopathy. I don't even 74 00:04:06.400 --> 00:04:11.400 know psychopathy. I like you like that word around what 75 00:04:12.080 --> 00:04:16.800 makes a psychopath? So today we're going to unpack it 76 00:04:17.160 --> 00:04:22.040 a little bit further. This was originally the one hundredth 77 00:04:22.040 --> 00:04:28.279 episode of Unsolved Mysteries, and it's not anymore because of 78 00:04:28.399 --> 00:04:31.439 things we talked about in last week. So in part 79 00:04:31.480 --> 00:04:34.439 two we're gonna just detour a little bit and kind 80 00:04:34.439 --> 00:04:41.279 of talk about some different the more fringe I guess. 81 00:04:41.319 --> 00:04:44.279 And before we get into that, just real quick. Wherever 82 00:04:44.360 --> 00:04:48.439 you are listening, please make sure to follow, like, subscribe, 83 00:04:48.879 --> 00:04:52.160 leave us a five star rating and review. Find us 84 00:04:52.199 --> 00:04:55.199 on social media. We have a Facebook and Instagram and 85 00:04:55.439 --> 00:04:58.920 a TikTok all Unsolved Couple Pod. You can always email 86 00:04:59.000 --> 00:05:03.079 us at Unsolved Coupled Pod at gmail dot com. 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No bonus episodes yet, 96 00:05:38.680 --> 00:05:42.439 that is TBD on what those are going to look like. 97 00:05:42.480 --> 00:05:45.120 I thought about actually, and you guys let me know. 98 00:05:45.480 --> 00:05:48.160 Let me know in the comment section or in reviews. 99 00:05:48.720 --> 00:05:51.360 I had a thought about doing the new season of 100 00:05:51.399 --> 00:05:57.000 Unsolved Mysteries that are on Netflix as a subscription only 101 00:05:57.120 --> 00:06:03.240 bonus access episodes. They are very they're laid out very differently. Anyways, 102 00:06:03.319 --> 00:06:05.800 let me know. But it does get you for four 103 00:06:05.879 --> 00:06:09.160 dollars a month. That's only one dollar in episode ad 104 00:06:09.399 --> 00:06:16.399 free listening. Okay, So and then next week I'll talk 105 00:06:16.399 --> 00:06:19.720 more about crime con because I'll actually have happened. So 106 00:06:20.360 --> 00:06:25.800 be here for that. Be here, be here or be square, right, 107 00:06:25.839 --> 00:06:29.600 that's how it goes. All right, you're ready to dive 108 00:06:29.639 --> 00:06:33.120 into this my love to the diabolical mind, into a 109 00:06:33.120 --> 00:06:36.199 diabolical mind. All right, you got your some cap on 110 00:06:37.360 --> 00:06:44.240 your goggles. We're going to dive in. Robert Stack starts 111 00:06:44.319 --> 00:06:48.240 us up at the top of this story and says, quote, 112 00:06:49.040 --> 00:06:54.040 it may not surprise you that ninety five percent of 113 00:06:54.160 --> 00:07:01.800 all serial killers and mass murderers are men. End quote. 114 00:07:03.480 --> 00:07:08.639 So we we all know that to be true, But 115 00:07:09.720 --> 00:07:13.879 what about the rare occasion that we have a female 116 00:07:14.720 --> 00:07:19.759 serial killer, a female diabolical mane mm hmmm. As one 117 00:07:19.800 --> 00:07:22.439 expert says in the show, if you're looking for a 118 00:07:22.600 --> 00:07:24.639 diabolical gender. 119 00:07:24.720 --> 00:07:28.639 Well, hold on, where's my eminem's? 120 00:07:29.279 --> 00:07:32.319 Uh, your daughter asked for the eminem's back because you 121 00:07:32.480 --> 00:07:36.279 stole them and I bought them for her, so she 122 00:07:36.360 --> 00:07:40.079 got them back. That I'm in the middle of telling 123 00:07:40.079 --> 00:07:44.959 a story I had eminem's you did sneak snacks onto here? 124 00:07:45.279 --> 00:07:52.040 I always okay, As one expert says, if you're looking 125 00:07:52.079 --> 00:07:58.879 for a diabolical gender, it is the male. There are, however, 126 00:07:59.800 --> 00:08:06.759 a few diabolical women. Typically, these sociopaths conceal their true 127 00:08:06.879 --> 00:08:12.800 nature behind a veil of tenderness and warmth. And buckle 128 00:08:12.879 --> 00:08:17.920 up because this story is going to be crazy, all right, 129 00:08:18.319 --> 00:08:20.920 the wild? It is wild. And i'd actually heard this 130 00:08:20.959 --> 00:08:23.399 story before listening to it on Unsolved Mysteries, and I'm 131 00:08:23.439 --> 00:08:28.959 sure last statement aware of this. So Frank and Marie 132 00:08:29.040 --> 00:08:36.399 Hilly of Anniston, Alabama, were high school sweethearts, with him 133 00:08:36.559 --> 00:08:40.480 romantically writing letters to her while he did an enlistment 134 00:08:40.720 --> 00:08:44.480 in the US Navy. When he returned, they married in 135 00:08:44.639 --> 00:08:50.039 nineteen fifty and welcomed two children into their home. Their 136 00:08:50.159 --> 00:08:54.440 names were Mike and Carol. They worked together at a 137 00:08:54.440 --> 00:08:58.000 local foundry, where Frank was a foreman and Marie was 138 00:08:58.039 --> 00:09:04.519 a secretary. Word appearance, their marriage seemed to embody the 139 00:09:04.679 --> 00:09:08.879 loving as a loving American couple, so as Keith Morrison 140 00:09:08.919 --> 00:09:16.879 would say, they were the perfect couple dot dot dot. 141 00:09:17.559 --> 00:09:19.159 Keith Morrison is a gem. 142 00:09:19.360 --> 00:09:22.759 He is a gem, He's a scholar and a gentleman. 143 00:09:26.519 --> 00:09:32.440 Everything would change though for Frank, Mike and Carol started 144 00:09:32.440 --> 00:09:38.440 to become sick with stomach problems. Mike was only eighteen 145 00:09:38.480 --> 00:09:42.639 at the time, and he's actually interviewed on Unsolved Mysteries, 146 00:09:42.720 --> 00:09:45.519 which put a pin in that because you're going to 147 00:09:45.600 --> 00:09:48.720 realize later that it's crazy. And he recalled that his 148 00:09:48.840 --> 00:09:54.960 illness began just a few months after life insurance policies 149 00:09:55.000 --> 00:10:01.600 were purchased on him and Frank and Carol, as well 150 00:10:01.639 --> 00:10:05.799 as Frank subscribing to a life insurance policy subscribed by 151 00:10:05.840 --> 00:10:09.600 his employer. So everyone in the family, it seems as 152 00:10:09.919 --> 00:10:14.320 except for the wife, now have life insurance policies and 153 00:10:14.360 --> 00:10:19.440 then they get sick with a terrible stomach issue and 154 00:10:19.639 --> 00:10:24.879 doctors are unable to diagnose these stomach problems. However, Mike 155 00:10:25.039 --> 00:10:33.360 leaves for college, and when he does, his illness magically vanishes. However, 156 00:10:34.799 --> 00:10:38.159 things only got worse for Frank because he becomes much, 157 00:10:38.240 --> 00:10:43.519 much sicker, very rapidly, and at the same time, sadly, 158 00:10:44.840 --> 00:10:49.600 the Hilly's marriage is starting to fall apart, and the 159 00:10:49.639 --> 00:10:53.559 main tension in this marriage was money. Frank was being 160 00:10:53.840 --> 00:11:00.240 hounded by creditors, much of these debts being Marie's responsibility. 161 00:11:00.320 --> 00:11:04.840 He also came home from work to find her in 162 00:11:04.879 --> 00:11:09.360 bed with one of his one of their bosses on 163 00:11:10.600 --> 00:11:12.720 because they worked at the same foundry together. She was 164 00:11:12.759 --> 00:11:20.200 a secretary and he was a foreman. Whoa, whoa can no, 165 00:11:20.840 --> 00:11:23.200 they don't have to get Ben's told me some stories 166 00:11:23.200 --> 00:11:30.279 about just I cannot imagine being anyone in that situation, 167 00:11:31.159 --> 00:11:34.240 the man, the woman, the husband, the wife. It seems 168 00:11:34.279 --> 00:11:37.200 like it's a bad, bad, real bad situation. And actually 169 00:11:37.320 --> 00:11:40.840 the simplest way to not end up in that situation 170 00:11:41.039 --> 00:11:46.000 would be don't you ding dingman ding? There you go, okay, 171 00:11:47.240 --> 00:11:51.840 And actually I will tell you this. Mike is interviewed. 172 00:11:51.879 --> 00:11:54.919 He's the eldest son. He tells us that his dad 173 00:11:54.960 --> 00:12:00.519 called him after catching his wife and his mother in 174 00:12:00.559 --> 00:12:05.360 bed with one of the bosses at work, and he's 175 00:12:05.440 --> 00:12:09.200 distraught over this. He's also been really sick lately, and 176 00:12:09.279 --> 00:12:13.919 he kind of tells Mike, I think it's just time 177 00:12:14.639 --> 00:12:17.720 I need to leave your mom and wife, and I 178 00:12:17.879 --> 00:12:20.039 just want to give you heads up on it. It's 179 00:12:20.039 --> 00:12:22.879 really ours. I'm not This is not victim blaming at all, 180 00:12:22.919 --> 00:12:24.840 But if you are going to get a divorce for 181 00:12:24.960 --> 00:12:28.480 even terrible or unterrible reasons, no matter how old your 182 00:12:28.519 --> 00:12:31.720 kids are, leave them out of it. But I guess 183 00:12:31.720 --> 00:12:35.039 in a sense it's actually good because this becomes knowledge 184 00:12:35.080 --> 00:12:37.759 that not a lot of other people were aware of. 185 00:12:39.799 --> 00:12:45.080 So in the same time frame, Frank is also continuing 186 00:12:45.440 --> 00:12:49.480 to see his doctor, who is prescribing him more and 187 00:12:49.519 --> 00:12:53.720 more and more potent drugs, trying to cure whatever the 188 00:12:53.799 --> 00:12:58.279 stomach issue is. And during this time, his wife rarely 189 00:12:58.399 --> 00:13:04.159 leaves his side. In fact, while he was in the hospital. 190 00:13:03.759 --> 00:13:07.960 Except for hang out with the boss. 191 00:13:08.240 --> 00:13:14.960 Yeah, well she's got needs, Ben. That was a joke, 192 00:13:16.399 --> 00:13:20.840 jokes brunch, No where if I know that she's not 193 00:13:20.879 --> 00:13:25.320 a good person. So in fact, even while he's in 194 00:13:25.360 --> 00:13:29.960 and out of the hospital, she is making handmade meals 195 00:13:30.000 --> 00:13:33.320 and bringing it into him and feeding him by hand. 196 00:13:34.720 --> 00:13:41.360 That's that's so sweet. And here's the thing. Hospital food sucks, right, 197 00:13:42.399 --> 00:13:48.919 I get it, But maybe not such a good idea 198 00:13:48.960 --> 00:13:51.000 for other reasons that we're going to find out later. 199 00:13:51.919 --> 00:13:57.600 So Marie is rarely leaving this man's side and continuing 200 00:13:57.799 --> 00:14:00.799 to make sure that he also has home cooked meals. 201 00:14:01.879 --> 00:14:04.759 In the middle of the night, on May twenty fifth, 202 00:14:05.159 --> 00:14:11.080 nineteen seventy five, he has found prancing around the front 203 00:14:11.120 --> 00:14:15.960 yard in a state of confusion and delirium and is 204 00:14:16.039 --> 00:14:19.759 rushed to local hospital, where he showed signs of paranoia 205 00:14:20.120 --> 00:14:25.480 and jaundice. He passes away within a few hours of 206 00:14:25.480 --> 00:14:29.559 being admitted to the hospital. The official cause of death 207 00:14:29.679 --> 00:14:36.320 ends up being hepatitis, which is crazy because hepatitis is 208 00:14:36.399 --> 00:14:41.360 just not something that you accidentally get. It's insanely that 209 00:14:41.440 --> 00:14:43.639 they ended up diagnosing him with that. I guess the 210 00:14:43.799 --> 00:14:46.919 jaundice was probably because jaundace means that your liver's not 211 00:14:47.039 --> 00:14:52.000 working and you turn orange, right, and that's a sign 212 00:14:52.000 --> 00:15:00.480 of hepatitis. But yeah, so Marie the sad grieving wife 213 00:15:00.840 --> 00:15:05.200 doesn't seem to be showing the typical signs you might 214 00:15:05.399 --> 00:15:11.639 see from a grieving widow. She quickly cashes out his 215 00:15:11.799 --> 00:15:16.679 life insurance, which totaled more than thirty thousand dollars. What 216 00:15:16.840 --> 00:15:19.159 years this nineteen seventy five. 217 00:15:19.440 --> 00:15:21.200 Okay, so it's a lot of money. 218 00:15:21.279 --> 00:15:24.600 We're looking at over one hundred thousand dollars in today's 219 00:15:24.840 --> 00:15:33.000 in today's money. With that money, she refurnishes the whole 220 00:15:33.000 --> 00:15:39.000 house sensible of course, buys a new car as one 221 00:15:39.039 --> 00:15:45.279 would would, new clothing, and expensive jewelry check and check, 222 00:15:47.440 --> 00:15:53.279 and also gives her mother a bunch of gifts and 223 00:15:53.399 --> 00:16:01.639 recently like yeah, I don't know, it doesn't take long. 224 00:16:01.720 --> 00:16:03.240 She just spends a lot of money. 225 00:16:03.600 --> 00:16:08.840 Yeah, and eventually and actually not very long, very quickly 226 00:16:08.879 --> 00:16:10.600 the money runs out. 227 00:16:11.600 --> 00:16:14.000 Well, when you buy cars and. 228 00:16:14.080 --> 00:16:18.759 We only have thirty, yeah, I want to hold onto 229 00:16:18.759 --> 00:16:24.440 that one. However, her being out of money doesn't really 230 00:16:24.480 --> 00:16:26.840 seem to stop her behavior, because this was back in 231 00:16:26.879 --> 00:16:30.639 the good old days where you could write a check 232 00:16:31.120 --> 00:16:35.360 check and the checks were not verified in the store. 233 00:16:35.679 --> 00:16:39.320 A few days, eight days checks in the mail. Right, 234 00:16:40.679 --> 00:16:46.879 she continues spending. So her son and I'm not sure 235 00:16:46.919 --> 00:16:50.960 if she listed him as like a co signer or something, 236 00:16:51.039 --> 00:16:54.559 or had his Social Security number attached to her accounts 237 00:16:54.639 --> 00:16:59.519 or her credit cards. But her son starts receiving harassing 238 00:16:59.559 --> 00:17:06.759 phone call from creditors wanting money from him. Marie promised 239 00:17:06.799 --> 00:17:13.240 her creditors that her son would pay her debts for 240 00:17:13.400 --> 00:17:19.839 four years after Frank's death. Carol, then eighteen years old, 241 00:17:20.680 --> 00:17:24.039 while her mom is spending all this money and going crazy, 242 00:17:24.839 --> 00:17:30.599 also starts suffering from similar symptoms that her husband and 243 00:17:30.759 --> 00:17:38.680 older brother had suffered from a few years before. At 244 00:17:38.720 --> 00:17:41.359 the time, no one had known though, that Marie had 245 00:17:41.400 --> 00:17:45.279 purchased an additional life insurance policy on her daughter. You 246 00:17:45.319 --> 00:17:49.440 have a question, ben nop Okay, He looked confused for 247 00:17:49.519 --> 00:17:56.079 a second. So oldest son moved away at college, husband dead, wife, 248 00:17:56.640 --> 00:18:00.480 blown through the money, daughter a couple years years older, 249 00:18:00.519 --> 00:18:04.759 now starting to get sick, secret life insurance policy check 250 00:18:04.799 --> 00:18:10.039 check check. So shortly after Carol becomes ill, her brother 251 00:18:10.480 --> 00:18:14.720 returned to Alabama to actually confront his mom about her overspending. 252 00:18:14.720 --> 00:18:16.799 Because by this time I think he's married and maybe 253 00:18:16.839 --> 00:18:20.960 as a child, and I don't think creditors are allowed 254 00:18:21.000 --> 00:18:22.720 to do the kind of stuff that they used to be. 255 00:18:22.799 --> 00:18:27.039 But back in the eighties and nineties, maybe seventies, the 256 00:18:27.079 --> 00:18:32.200 creditors were like they would threaten you, harass you, call 257 00:18:32.240 --> 00:18:35.519 your work. They were the mom. They were like unto 258 00:18:35.559 --> 00:18:39.000 the mom. And so they are making his life miserable. 259 00:18:40.039 --> 00:18:42.279 And he demands to go to the bank and cash 260 00:18:42.319 --> 00:18:44.240 out any funds that they have so that he can 261 00:18:44.279 --> 00:18:47.119 pay off these creditors and just move on with his life. 262 00:18:47.920 --> 00:18:52.160 And she promises him that, like, sit down, have a 263 00:18:52.200 --> 00:18:55.079 good breakfast, and then we will go to the bank. 264 00:18:55.599 --> 00:18:59.720 So she cooks him a big old breakfast, and with 265 00:19:00.119 --> 00:19:06.079 in like minutes of finishing breakfast, he becomes extmely ill, 266 00:19:06.400 --> 00:19:09.839 unable to get out of bed, and is actually able 267 00:19:09.880 --> 00:19:12.480 to force to like stay in bed for several days 268 00:19:12.680 --> 00:19:17.240 because he's not even healthy enough to return home to Florida. However, 269 00:19:18.079 --> 00:19:23.440 he does bounce back and is able to leave. In 270 00:19:23.559 --> 00:19:29.039 the meantime, though, his younger sister, Carol's condition begins to 271 00:19:29.079 --> 00:19:32.039 get worse and worse and worse, and she's actually taken 272 00:19:32.200 --> 00:19:36.440 into the hospital where she eventually becomes paralyzed from the 273 00:19:36.599 --> 00:19:43.119 waist down. So in the reenactment and in some other 274 00:19:43.160 --> 00:19:47.240 things I read, she had told her daughter that she 275 00:19:47.519 --> 00:19:51.640 had gotten like a secret prescription from a doctor or 276 00:19:51.759 --> 00:19:54.039 nurse friend of hers that was supposed to be these 277 00:19:54.079 --> 00:19:56.799 injections that were gonna make her better, but she wasn't 278 00:19:56.799 --> 00:20:00.319 allowed to tell anybody because she wasn't being prescribed. They 279 00:20:00.359 --> 00:20:03.200 were like being given to her on the like on 280 00:20:03.279 --> 00:20:08.400 the down low, and was injecting this liquid into her body, 281 00:20:08.480 --> 00:20:13.599 like into her buttocks, directly poisoning her daughter with this substance. 282 00:20:14.519 --> 00:20:17.519 So while she's in the hospital, Marie injects her and 283 00:20:17.759 --> 00:20:21.720 in the buttocks and hips, claiming that it would help her. However, 284 00:20:22.680 --> 00:20:26.519 it only continues to make things worse. So while her 285 00:20:26.640 --> 00:20:33.359 daughter's in the hospital, uh, Marie is actually arrested in 286 00:20:33.480 --> 00:20:38.680 the hospital for passing bad checks, but was bailed out 287 00:20:38.720 --> 00:20:44.119 of jail by extended relatives of the family. The hospital staff, however, 288 00:20:44.279 --> 00:20:47.799 in that time, re examines Carol and finds evidence that 289 00:20:47.960 --> 00:20:55.240 she had been poisoned with arsenic Dun dun dum yep. 290 00:20:55.359 --> 00:20:58.160 Which is a great play called Arsenic and Old Lace 291 00:20:58.160 --> 00:21:01.839 about two old ladies who kill people, but again, that's 292 00:21:01.880 --> 00:21:06.039 a podcast for a different day. In October of nineteen 293 00:21:06.279 --> 00:21:10.480 seventy nine, Frank's body is exhumed for a second optoxy 294 00:21:10.559 --> 00:21:15.279 and found that he had stripes on his fingernails, which 295 00:21:15.519 --> 00:21:17.599 like these white lines on his fingernails, which are a 296 00:21:17.599 --> 00:21:21.000 tailtale sign of arsenic in the body. Do you want 297 00:21:21.000 --> 00:21:25.240 to know a crazy story? So I went to beauty school, 298 00:21:25.480 --> 00:21:28.799 and in beauty school, I got fully licensed, right, And 299 00:21:28.880 --> 00:21:33.400 so we were in the class about nails, and we 300 00:21:33.400 --> 00:21:38.519 were told because we are not obviously medical people, but 301 00:21:38.680 --> 00:21:42.359 that if we saw someone come in who had these 302 00:21:42.400 --> 00:21:47.279 like significant white striping lines on their nails and they 303 00:21:47.319 --> 00:21:50.240 were complaining about other issues, that we were like to 304 00:21:50.480 --> 00:21:55.640 encourage them to go to the hospital immediately because that 305 00:21:55.799 --> 00:21:59.400 was a tailtale sign of poisoning, because it affects your 306 00:21:59.559 --> 00:22:02.839 nail as it grows out, like it's almost like a 307 00:22:02.960 --> 00:22:05.519 roadmap that something terrible is happening. But we couldn't tell 308 00:22:05.559 --> 00:22:07.599 them why they needed to go to the doctor because 309 00:22:07.599 --> 00:22:08.920 we couldn't diagnose anything. 310 00:22:10.079 --> 00:22:19.920 But I don't understand. You say, listen, rumor has it 311 00:22:20.039 --> 00:22:23.079 why stripes on nails? It's linked to our snake poison. 312 00:22:23.200 --> 00:22:25.400 I'm not saying you've been poisoned by our snak, but 313 00:22:25.559 --> 00:22:26.960 you might want to get it checked out. 314 00:22:27.599 --> 00:22:30.440 We weren't allowed to say that, but we were allowed 315 00:22:30.480 --> 00:22:36.039 to say that, hey, sometimes this can indicate an underlining 316 00:22:36.160 --> 00:22:38.039 health issue. It might be worth your time to go 317 00:22:38.160 --> 00:22:42.759 check it out. Akay, go to the emergency room right now. 318 00:22:44.200 --> 00:22:48.279 So Carol is also fine to have those exact same 319 00:22:48.359 --> 00:22:51.599 lines on her fingernails and is admitted to the hospital 320 00:22:51.640 --> 00:22:55.759 on January eleventh, nineteen eighty and an arrest warrant was 321 00:22:55.839 --> 00:23:02.680 issued charging Marie with Frank's murder. However, you guys, buckle up, 322 00:23:02.720 --> 00:23:07.799 because she is gone. She is nowhere to be found. 323 00:23:08.920 --> 00:23:14.960 I'm just now remembering the second part of the second part. 324 00:23:12.880 --> 00:23:16.160 Of It's diabolical, as one might. 325 00:23:16.039 --> 00:23:20.200 Say, I am not I am not laughing about her, 326 00:23:20.720 --> 00:23:24.319 but this is it is the next part of this story. 327 00:23:25.519 --> 00:23:30.440 Is insane. The murder, murder of your daughter is not 328 00:23:30.559 --> 00:23:34.240 the craziest part of this story, because we're going to 329 00:23:34.240 --> 00:23:37.359 actually find out that within the scope of two years, 330 00:23:37.400 --> 00:23:43.559 her mother, mother in law, and her husband all died 331 00:23:43.720 --> 00:23:52.440 of similar circumstances. Serial killer, and now she's suspected of poisoning. 332 00:23:52.799 --> 00:23:58.000 You know what, people, She is a diabolic, diabolical mind. 333 00:23:58.160 --> 00:24:01.759 Yeah, diabolical, and I'm I'm trying to say diabolical as 334 00:24:01.839 --> 00:24:04.839 many times as robertstac did. Diabolical. 335 00:24:04.920 --> 00:24:08.920 Add in the fact that she also is accused of poisoning, 336 00:24:09.000 --> 00:24:13.359 attempted poisoning, well, poisoning, attempt to murder her son and daughter, mother, 337 00:24:13.880 --> 00:24:19.759 mother in law, husband, son, and daughter, five of the 338 00:24:19.839 --> 00:24:27.880 closest people in her life. Okay, so Carol's maternal and 339 00:24:28.400 --> 00:24:34.799 paternal grandparents also had autopsies where Arsenick was found, but 340 00:24:35.000 --> 00:24:37.359 it was concluded that they had both died of cancer. 341 00:24:37.440 --> 00:24:40.000 So there's a belief that she'd actually tried to murder 342 00:24:40.039 --> 00:24:49.160 her grandparents as well. This woman gives no f's and 343 00:24:49.440 --> 00:24:54.319 she's gone nowhere to be found. They cannot find this woman. 344 00:24:55.319 --> 00:25:00.200 She's on the lamb. She's on the lamb. However, nineteen eight, 345 00:25:00.799 --> 00:25:06.319 she resurfaces in Florida under the name of Lindsey Robbie 346 00:25:06.680 --> 00:25:12.400 Hannan and meets a man named John Homan. And during 347 00:25:12.400 --> 00:25:14.640 this time where she meets him, she claims that she's 348 00:25:14.720 --> 00:25:18.279 widowed with two children who also died in a school 349 00:25:18.279 --> 00:25:22.359 bus accident, and that she is on the verge of 350 00:25:22.400 --> 00:25:26.039 inheriting a large estate from the state of Texas and 351 00:25:26.119 --> 00:25:30.599 claimed that she also unfortunately had brain cancer and a 352 00:25:30.680 --> 00:25:34.359 rare disease where her body made too many red blood cells, 353 00:25:34.880 --> 00:25:39.079 so she might not live much longer, and these two 354 00:25:39.119 --> 00:25:43.720 begin dating, and by May of nineteen eighty one, they're married. 355 00:25:43.960 --> 00:25:47.519 She starts to work as a secretary, and in September 356 00:25:47.519 --> 00:25:50.640 of nineteen eighty two, she claims that her cancer had 357 00:25:50.799 --> 00:25:54.359 worsened and that she needed to fly back to Texas 358 00:25:54.440 --> 00:25:59.400 for treatment. So she leaves her new husband flies back 359 00:25:59.440 --> 00:26:02.200 to Texas, and a short time later, her new husband, 360 00:26:02.319 --> 00:26:10.480 John gets a call from a woman named Terry. Terry 361 00:26:10.880 --> 00:26:21.119 informs John that his wife had died of cancer, but 362 00:26:21.319 --> 00:26:27.720 that she is the twin sister and that her sister's 363 00:26:27.880 --> 00:26:32.799 wishes were her body be donated to research or something 364 00:26:32.920 --> 00:26:40.319 like science. And John is obviously distraught his brand new 365 00:26:40.359 --> 00:26:43.880 wife succumbed to her cancer when he thought she was 366 00:26:43.920 --> 00:26:47.599 going to Texas for treatments and she's never to return. 367 00:26:48.240 --> 00:26:52.319 And he only is informed by this by his wife's 368 00:26:52.480 --> 00:26:58.240 twin sister. They had no idea about, okay, so, seeing 369 00:26:58.400 --> 00:27:03.640 his distraught behavior and his emotions spiraling out of control 370 00:27:04.799 --> 00:27:13.759 buckala mm hmm, Robbie says that like she would keep 371 00:27:13.759 --> 00:27:17.079 in touch with him and they could kind of get 372 00:27:17.079 --> 00:27:20.599 to know each other through this grieving process, and so 373 00:27:21.279 --> 00:27:25.200 over the next little while they do they have phone communications. 374 00:27:25.240 --> 00:27:28.359 She tells him about that you know, there's no funeral, 375 00:27:28.920 --> 00:27:31.640 that he doesn't need to come here, that her body's 376 00:27:31.640 --> 00:27:34.680 been donated to a university. And they chat and they 377 00:27:34.839 --> 00:27:37.440 chat and they chat, and after a little bit of 378 00:27:37.480 --> 00:27:39.799 time of getting to know each other through the phone, 379 00:27:39.960 --> 00:27:45.759 he expresses a desire to meet his deceived wife's twin sister, 380 00:27:46.799 --> 00:27:50.839 and she agrees and suggests that they actually meet up 381 00:27:50.920 --> 00:27:59.680 in Florida. So she shows up in Florida as Terry. 382 00:28:01.119 --> 00:28:05.480 She lost a bunch of weight, gotten into really good shape. 383 00:28:05.880 --> 00:28:08.839 And that's just the terms that they use on unsolved mysteries, 384 00:28:10.240 --> 00:28:14.400 and the actrees in the in the play or in 385 00:28:14.480 --> 00:28:18.720 the reenactment had a very terrible wig on. But from 386 00:28:18.759 --> 00:28:23.200 my understanding, she had a very terrible blonde like box coloring, 387 00:28:23.279 --> 00:28:25.680 like a terrible blonde hair job. 388 00:28:26.119 --> 00:28:27.000 She's a blonde now. 389 00:28:27.240 --> 00:28:31.319 Yeah, So she's lost weight, gets into good shape, dyes 390 00:28:31.319 --> 00:28:34.559 her hair blonde, and goes to Florida to meet John. 391 00:28:34.920 --> 00:28:39.400 And when John sees this girl, he's taken aback because 392 00:28:39.839 --> 00:28:42.279 she's like, oh, did I fail to mention that we 393 00:28:42.279 --> 00:28:48.680 were identical twins? But I'm the hotter, blonde, skinnier in shape. 394 00:28:48.920 --> 00:28:50.200 Version of my sister. 395 00:28:51.480 --> 00:28:53.799 Let's just be clear. She doesn't have a twin sister. 396 00:28:53.960 --> 00:28:57.000 It's the same lady. 397 00:28:57.519 --> 00:29:01.160 I yes, this is crazy. 398 00:29:01.200 --> 00:29:05.680 She faked her death, yeah, and then went back to 399 00:29:05.799 --> 00:29:07.880 the husband who. 400 00:29:07.680 --> 00:29:11.640 Then dates her. They start dating and she, like foll on, 401 00:29:11.839 --> 00:29:15.640