WEBVTT 1 00:00:08.759 --> 00:00:13.279 Thousands of people have mysteriously vanished in America's wilderness. Join 2 00:00:13.439 --> 00:00:15.839 us as we dive into the deep end of the 3 00:00:15.960 --> 00:00:17.600 unexplainable and try. 4 00:00:17.359 --> 00:00:22.480 To piece together what happened. You are listening to Locations Unknown. 5 00:00:54.039 --> 00:00:55.000 What's up, everybody? 6 00:00:55.079 --> 00:00:58.439 Welcome back to another episode of Locations Unknown. I'm your 7 00:00:58.439 --> 00:01:01.320 co host Joey Rotto, as always is a guy who's 8 00:01:01.359 --> 00:01:03.320 an expert at sunblocking window coverings. 9 00:01:03.399 --> 00:01:05.920 Mike Mandible guard. Oh that's very timely. 10 00:01:06.120 --> 00:01:06.359 I know. 11 00:01:06.680 --> 00:01:08.760 Well, thank you, and I thank you again to all 12 00:01:08.799 --> 00:01:11.799 of our loyal listeners for tuning in to another amazing 13 00:01:11.879 --> 00:01:16.959 episode of Locations Unknown. 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May twenty twenty, a hikers flown 59 00:04:07.319 --> 00:04:10.479 into the remote Carry Lake region of Denali National Park 60 00:04:10.800 --> 00:04:15.039 for a month's long solo expedition. He stays in contact 61 00:04:15.039 --> 00:04:17.839 with his wife through a garment in reach until mid June, 62 00:04:18.240 --> 00:04:21.920 then suddenly goes silent when he misses his September pickup. 63 00:04:22.120 --> 00:04:24.839 Searchers find his supplies near the lake and a collapse 64 00:04:24.879 --> 00:04:29.040 camp several miles away inside our satellite communicator and a 65 00:04:29.120 --> 00:04:32.319 damaged diary whose final readable entry says he left to 66 00:04:32.360 --> 00:04:36.120 get water, no body, clothing or clear trail is found. 67 00:04:36.720 --> 00:04:38.240 Join us this week as. 68 00:04:38.040 --> 00:04:41.920 We investigate the disappearance of Nathan Isaac Campbell. 69 00:04:56.040 --> 00:04:59.439 You're very good at that, Yes, so you recorded that 70 00:04:59.480 --> 00:05:01.560 live yep in the air. 71 00:05:02.720 --> 00:05:04.959 The name of location has said is Carry Lake Area, 72 00:05:05.079 --> 00:05:08.160 northwestern Danali National Park in Alaska. 73 00:05:08.399 --> 00:05:10.480 The sub location is carry Lake specifically. 74 00:05:11.600 --> 00:05:13.839 The amount of visitors that this area sees is five 75 00:05:13.920 --> 00:05:18.240 hundred and forty three thousand Tanali National Park. So yeah, 76 00:05:18.240 --> 00:05:21.480 not this specific area. Yes, that's a lot of people 77 00:05:21.480 --> 00:05:22.240 still though for. 78 00:05:22.199 --> 00:05:24.480 How hard it is Getzinale, that is a lot of people. 79 00:05:24.480 --> 00:05:25.000 That is a lot. 80 00:05:25.079 --> 00:05:28.000 So some interesting facts about the area. It is larger 81 00:05:28.040 --> 00:05:29.639 than New Hampshire, so. 82 00:05:29.759 --> 00:05:32.600 It's almost everything else. You know, what did you just. 83 00:05:35.079 --> 00:05:39.600 That immense park has remarkably few maintained trails. Despite covering 84 00:05:39.639 --> 00:05:42.800 more than six million acres d Nale has only about 85 00:05:42.839 --> 00:05:46.959 thirty five point five miles of official maintained trails. Most 86 00:05:47.000 --> 00:05:49.319 of the back country is trailers, and hikers are expected 87 00:05:49.360 --> 00:05:52.839 to navigate across tundra, rivers, brush and mountain train without 88 00:05:52.920 --> 00:05:56.480 mark routes. The park's lone main road is approximately ninety 89 00:05:56.480 --> 00:06:00.639 two miles long. Glaciers cover roughly one six of the park, 90 00:06:01.199 --> 00:06:05.279 and the park experiences thousands of earthquakes. Approximately three thousand 91 00:06:05.319 --> 00:06:08.759 earthquakes occur within Danali's borders each year. Many are extremely 92 00:06:08.800 --> 00:06:12.560 small and detectable only by instruments. Much of this activity 93 00:06:12.639 --> 00:06:19.199 is concentrated in the Cantisha can Tishna seismic cluster north 94 00:06:19.279 --> 00:06:23.480 of the Alaska Range. Dinosaurs once walked through what is 95 00:06:23.480 --> 00:06:26.199 now do Nali. Thousands of dinosaur trace fossils have been 96 00:06:26.240 --> 00:06:30.040 discovered in the park, including tracks left by theropods, duck 97 00:06:30.120 --> 00:06:41.160 build hadrosaurs, horned et cetera, safe sins et ceteras, and petrosaurs. 98 00:06:41.319 --> 00:06:43.839 The tracks date to approximately sixty five to seventy two 99 00:06:43.879 --> 00:06:48.079 million years ago, when the region was considerably warmer than. 100 00:06:47.959 --> 00:06:50.000 It is today. That's a tough one. 101 00:06:50.040 --> 00:06:52.360 That would have been a perfect talk about the Jurassic 102 00:06:52.399 --> 00:06:53.839 Park from last episode. 103 00:06:53.920 --> 00:06:56.079 Oh yeah, last episode we did a little moment of 104 00:06:56.079 --> 00:06:57.720 silence for the passing of Sam Neil. 105 00:06:57.800 --> 00:07:00.800 Yeah, we won't do it again because of copyright potential, 106 00:07:00.879 --> 00:07:01.360 we won't catch it. 107 00:07:01.519 --> 00:07:04.759 By long story short, my childhood, I watched Jurassic Park 108 00:07:04.839 --> 00:07:07.839 probably a million times, and I thought Sam Neil was 109 00:07:07.879 --> 00:07:08.120 like the. 110 00:07:08.199 --> 00:07:11.120 Probably didn't watch it actually a million times something that's possible. 111 00:07:12.000 --> 00:07:13.680 I thought he was like one of the coolest dudes 112 00:07:13.720 --> 00:07:17.759 outside of Arnold from Terminator so get through. 113 00:07:17.759 --> 00:07:23.079 The Denali has no native reptiles and only one amphibian 114 00:07:23.759 --> 00:07:26.079 rangers still patrol the park with sled dogs. 115 00:07:26.120 --> 00:07:29.560 That's really cool. I didn't know that summer daylight lasts 116 00:07:29.560 --> 00:07:31.879 nearly twenty one hours. That's also cool. 117 00:07:32.879 --> 00:07:36.040 In depth description of the features so climate in the area. 118 00:07:36.120 --> 00:07:38.480 The Carry Lake area where Nathan went missing sits in 119 00:07:38.519 --> 00:07:42.199 the Interior Alaska Subarctic climate zone, which is cool to 120 00:07:42.279 --> 00:07:46.319 mild summers, cold nights even in June, and long, very cold, 121 00:07:46.319 --> 00:07:51.720 snowy winters. Seasonal patterns and the Interior Alaska summers typically 122 00:07:51.720 --> 00:07:54.240 see daytime highs in the fifty to seventy range or 123 00:07:54.319 --> 00:07:57.639 ten to twenty degrees celsius with some warmer days, but 124 00:07:57.759 --> 00:08:00.560 nights can still drop towards freezing, especially in low wet 125 00:08:00.600 --> 00:08:05.160 back country. By late August and September, temperatures trend downward quickly. Frosts, 126 00:08:05.480 --> 00:08:08.279 cold rain, and early snow are common, and daylight hours 127 00:08:08.319 --> 00:08:12.959 begin shrinking markedly. Winters are long and harsh, with average 128 00:08:13.000 --> 00:08:15.839 highs well below freezing and lows often in the negative 129 00:08:15.879 --> 00:08:18.839 ten to negative twenty degrees fahrenheit range and in the 130 00:08:18.879 --> 00:08:25.600 interior regions spring shoulder or the spring saddle season or straddle. 131 00:08:25.639 --> 00:08:26.120 That's what it was. 132 00:08:26.279 --> 00:08:29.959 Spring strattle, still, cold nights, saturated ground, snow patches and 133 00:08:30.000 --> 00:08:33.360 shady spots possible early Midsummer, cool to mild days, but 134 00:08:33.440 --> 00:08:36.600 water temperatures near freezing and weather shifting between sun and 135 00:08:36.679 --> 00:08:40.360 cold rain early fall by the time of the search, 136 00:08:40.679 --> 00:08:43.600 colder days, freezing nights, and accumulating snow and brush in 137 00:08:43.639 --> 00:08:44.240 low areas. 138 00:08:44.279 --> 00:08:48.720 Here's the pronunciation of that weird dinosaur seratopsians. 139 00:08:49.200 --> 00:08:51.399 Nah I said that I think No, I did not 140 00:08:52.440 --> 00:08:56.639 roll the tape. Nope, don't edit that out. 141 00:08:56.720 --> 00:08:58.399 I just spent five minutes fining mate. 142 00:08:58.519 --> 00:09:03.879 Yeah, way too long. The train where Nathan went missing 143 00:09:03.960 --> 00:09:07.480 is low elevation, brushy interior Alaska backcountry, with a mix 144 00:09:07.519 --> 00:09:11.000 of wet ground, dense vegetation, and very poor visibility. Exactly 145 00:09:11.080 --> 00:09:13.279 the kind of landscape where people can vanish a short 146 00:09:13.279 --> 00:09:16.480 distance from camp. So the general setting Carry Lake is 147 00:09:16.480 --> 00:09:19.200 surrounding lowlands. Carry Lake sits around nine hundred and forty 148 00:09:19.200 --> 00:09:23.799 two feet in elevation, draining south southwest into deep Creek 149 00:09:23.919 --> 00:09:27.200 and lying roughly thirty four miles south southwest of Lake 150 00:09:27.679 --> 00:09:31.200 minchu Min Nah. I'm sure said that wrong. Everyone from 151 00:09:31.200 --> 00:09:33.159 Alaska is going to be mad. But it's dark there, 152 00:09:33.200 --> 00:09:38.399 so that's too bad. It's part of the Cusca Coowim Lowlands. 153 00:09:38.559 --> 00:09:42.360 Broad relatively flat country punctuated by ponds, lakes, and creeks 154 00:09:42.360 --> 00:09:46.039 with no roads, no mark trails, and no bridges. A 155 00:09:46.039 --> 00:09:48.879 little bit about the vegetation and groundcover in this part 156 00:09:48.879 --> 00:09:51.960 of Danali's back country, the Dorm. The dominant challenges are 157 00:09:52.279 --> 00:09:56.639 brushy tundra and alder willow thickets. Willow and alder can 158 00:09:56.759 --> 00:10:00.120 exceed six feet in height. Brushes often so thick that 159 00:10:00.200 --> 00:10:05.039 visibility is extremely limited. Travel through this brushy tundra is slow, exhausting, 160 00:10:05.080 --> 00:10:07.919 and frustrating. You often have to shout to avoid surprise 161 00:10:08.000 --> 00:10:10.600 encounters with wildlife because you can't see more than a 162 00:10:10.600 --> 00:10:15.080 few yards. Wet ground and ponds. The lowlands around lakes 163 00:10:15.159 --> 00:10:18.200 like Carry are riddled with beaver ponds, boggy patches, and 164 00:10:18.240 --> 00:10:22.000 shallow water features that can be waste deep in places underfoot. 165 00:10:22.080 --> 00:10:25.200 Mossy and uneven ground is common, increasing the risk of slips, 166 00:10:25.240 --> 00:10:28.519 ankle injuries, and falls, especially if you're carrying water or 167 00:10:28.519 --> 00:10:33.720 crossing saturated areas, Navigation difficulty. The Nale's backcountry has no 168 00:10:33.799 --> 00:10:37.320 formal trails in most units, and map detail is coarse. 169 00:10:38.159 --> 00:10:42.519 NPS ones that trails terrain and the one to sixty 170 00:10:42.519 --> 00:10:46.720 three thousand topple macs toppo maps fifteen minute quads make 171 00:10:46.840 --> 00:10:50.639 navigation challenging. Many areas have large expanses of similar looking 172 00:10:50.679 --> 00:10:54.480 hills and drainages. That's just I would never do. 173 00:10:54.519 --> 00:10:58.360 This, yeah, I mean, I've seen the nally. It's cool. 174 00:10:58.519 --> 00:11:00.840 It's just a copy and paste in each unit. It's 175 00:11:00.879 --> 00:11:04.759 so vast. I mean, until you see it, you don't 176 00:11:04.759 --> 00:11:06.080 really can't really picture it. 177 00:11:06.440 --> 00:11:09.679 So it's even with a GPS or in reach, moving 178 00:11:09.720 --> 00:11:12.480 a short distance off a known point can quickly put 179 00:11:12.480 --> 00:11:15.960 you in a confusing, repetitive train with limited landmarks, especially 180 00:11:16.000 --> 00:11:17.320 in lowland brush. 181 00:11:17.399 --> 00:11:18.200 So that's crazy. 182 00:11:18.320 --> 00:11:20.559 Even with GPS, you can just still get turned around 183 00:11:20.559 --> 00:11:24.600 because it's just so expansive in this environment. Walking just 184 00:11:24.639 --> 00:11:28.720 to get water can mean negotiating complex micro terrain with 185 00:11:28.879 --> 00:11:32.240 poor sitelines, where a wrong turn or misjudge slope can 186 00:11:32.279 --> 00:11:35.159 leave you disoriented and unsure how to get back to 187 00:11:35.240 --> 00:11:40.039 a small hidden tent In the brush, hydrology, and water hazards. 188 00:11:40.360 --> 00:11:42.200 There are no bridges in the back country. River and 189 00:11:42.200 --> 00:11:45.440 creete crossings are entirely at the hiker's judgment. Water is 190 00:11:45.480 --> 00:11:50.200 near freezing, and immersion even briefly can lead to rapid hypothermia. 191 00:11:50.559 --> 00:11:54.360 Silted glacial streams make depth hard to judge around lakes 192 00:11:54.360 --> 00:11:57.279 like carry small creeks. Rainages and ponds may look trivial 193 00:11:57.559 --> 00:12:01.159 but can hide deeper spots, soft bombs, or undercut banks. 194 00:12:01.480 --> 00:12:05.320 There are no roads, pipelines, or obvious modern corridors visible 195 00:12:05.360 --> 00:12:07.759 from the ground level in the immediate area. It is 196 00:12:07.960 --> 00:12:12.919 genuinely wild country. One independent satellite analysis has identified a 197 00:12:12.919 --> 00:12:17.559 faint linear opening, likely an old trapline or sled route, 198 00:12:17.639 --> 00:12:20.559 running several miles southwest from Kerry Lake. But it's narrow, 199 00:12:20.600 --> 00:12:24.000 six to twelve feet wide and overgrown, not a maintained trail. 200 00:12:24.000 --> 00:12:28.679 So overall very difficult, and you didn't mention also there's 201 00:12:28.799 --> 00:12:30.000 large creatures that could eat you. 202 00:12:30.200 --> 00:12:33.120 Yeah, that's besides all the animals and bears and all 203 00:12:33.120 --> 00:12:37.039 the different things. Yeah, So Mike tell us about Nathan Campbell. 204 00:12:37.399 --> 00:12:41.120 Yes, he was born June twenty second, nineteen seventy nine. 205 00:12:41.200 --> 00:12:47.639 He went missing basically June to September twenty twenty. Officially 206 00:12:47.840 --> 00:12:52.440 carried as the last known in Carry Lake, Vicinity on 207 00:12:52.519 --> 00:12:55.679 June thirteenth of twenty twenty, with a missed pickup on 208 00:12:55.799 --> 00:12:58.799 September fifteenth of twenty twenty. Remains have not been found. 209 00:12:58.879 --> 00:13:02.039 He was male. He was aged forty at drop off, 210 00:13:02.039 --> 00:13:04.679 and he actually turned forty one while he was out 211 00:13:04.720 --> 00:13:09.799 on his hike. Body description height roughly five ten, approximately 212 00:13:09.799 --> 00:13:13.639 one hundred ninety pounds. He had strawberry blonde hair, blue eyes. 213 00:13:14.559 --> 00:13:19.879 He clothing he was last seen in. Nothing was specifically 214 00:13:19.879 --> 00:13:23.120 documented at the time of his disappearance. We'll get into 215 00:13:23.159 --> 00:13:26.480 some things that were discovered further on in the episode. 216 00:13:27.080 --> 00:13:30.759 Personality wise, he was described by the pilot who flew 217 00:13:30.840 --> 00:13:34.440 him in as a pretty quiet individual who nonetheless talked 218 00:13:34.440 --> 00:13:38.440 about his interests in This is very interesting. So he 219 00:13:38.480 --> 00:13:41.720 talked about his interest in the rumored Alaska Pyramid and 220 00:13:41.799 --> 00:13:47.399 called his trip his Indiana Jones adventure. So okay, very interesting. 221 00:13:47.720 --> 00:13:51.080 It sounds like a whole topic. We should do a 222 00:13:52.559 --> 00:13:57.360 what's the episodes we do on that stuff? Well, now 223 00:13:57.399 --> 00:14:03.039 I thought I forgot about it. What in a while? Yeah, 224 00:14:03.080 --> 00:14:05.519 that's why I forgot yeah, the lower episodes where we 225 00:14:05.559 --> 00:14:08.960 talk about like triangles and Vorti seas and stuff. Yeah, 226 00:14:09.039 --> 00:14:10.440 I think we're going to have to do on on 227 00:14:10.759 --> 00:14:15.440 the Alaska Pyramid. Okay, I'm in so friends. Oh look 228 00:14:15.480 --> 00:14:19.240 our website. Yep, I got his image on our website. Yes, 229 00:14:19.320 --> 00:14:21.679 this is all my information? Correct? What did I say? 230 00:14:21.720 --> 00:14:24.840 I think the date missing is wrong on here? All right, Well, 231 00:14:24.879 --> 00:14:28.039 we're just looking at his picture. Yeah. So his friends 232 00:14:28.039 --> 00:14:31.360 and family emphasize him as a dedicated husband and father 233 00:14:31.440 --> 00:14:34.840 of four boys, implying strong family ties and responsibility. His 234 00:14:34.879 --> 00:14:38.360 willingness to undertake a long solo expedition and chase this 235 00:14:38.480 --> 00:14:42.159 legend suggests a mix of curiosity, risk, colorance, and a 236 00:14:42.200 --> 00:14:47.000 desire for adventure and meaning medical issues. We don't really 237 00:14:47.039 --> 00:14:49.080 know if he had any medical issues. At the time 238 00:14:49.200 --> 00:14:54.879 of his disappearance. Nothing was publicly mentioned occupation hobbies. He 239 00:14:55.000 --> 00:14:58.879 was identified in a lot of different articles and quotes 240 00:14:58.919 --> 00:15:03.080 as being an out doorsmen in backcountry enthusiasts. Details about 241 00:15:03.120 --> 00:15:06.840 his formal occupation were not clearly documented, but his hobbies 242 00:15:06.879 --> 00:15:12.120 plainly include camping, fishing, long wilderness trips, and he had 243 00:15:12.279 --> 00:15:16.759 an interest in this Alaska Pyramid theory or whatever you 244 00:15:16.759 --> 00:15:20.720 want to call it, and related conspiracy media suggests he 245 00:15:20.759 --> 00:15:24.840 had also consumed kind of other what they labeled as 246 00:15:24.960 --> 00:15:29.360 fringe or alternative content around this pyramid and treated his 247 00:15:29.639 --> 00:15:33.440 this expedition partly as a personal investigation. 248 00:15:33.960 --> 00:15:37.799 So very interesting. This this is insane for anyone watching 249 00:15:37.840 --> 00:15:41.720 the video. Yes, like there is. This is the first 250 00:15:41.799 --> 00:15:44.600 time I've ever done at three sixty. Yeah, and there's 251 00:15:44.679 --> 00:15:48.440 just there is nothing like city wise, road wise, no, 252 00:15:48.639 --> 00:15:49.279 every direction. 253 00:15:49.679 --> 00:15:52.039 Yeah, it's you're out there is That's why then dropped 254 00:15:52.080 --> 00:15:56.200 off by a plane. Yeah, you zoom out. Where is Denali? 255 00:15:56.639 --> 00:15:59.039 The actual mountain? Right, it's to the south. 256 00:15:59.279 --> 00:16:03.399 Okay, so he nineteen Uh go back to I saw 257 00:16:03.440 --> 00:16:06.080 it briefly if you scroll in, it's right. Oh no, 258 00:16:06.120 --> 00:16:11.440 he's like the southeast. No, the lake's right here. Okay, 259 00:16:11.559 --> 00:16:17.159 there's all right. Yeah, so anchorages to the south. But like, yeah, 260 00:16:17.159 --> 00:16:20.080 he's right, he's right here. And that is that is 261 00:16:20.159 --> 00:16:24.320 insane amount of middle of nowhere. Well two hundred miles 262 00:16:24.320 --> 00:16:27.519 away from here. The near city is Talkitna, one hundred 263 00:16:27.519 --> 00:16:28.639 and twenty eight miles away. 264 00:16:29.200 --> 00:16:34.759 And I think there is nothing. I think fifty I 265 00:16:34.799 --> 00:16:37.399 think we drove through that town to get to the park. 266 00:16:38.519 --> 00:16:41.159 This one. Where's the Can you find the Alaska Highway? 267 00:16:42.399 --> 00:16:44.960 It goes east west. Let me get off of the 268 00:16:45.080 --> 00:16:47.720 ruler here. Yeah, you might have to go go to 269 00:16:47.799 --> 00:16:51.279 like actual map like that shows just roads and like 270 00:16:51.320 --> 00:16:56.879 no terrain. Yeah, you're zoom in real quick. Yeah. If 271 00:16:56.879 --> 00:17:00.399 you go to I do Alaska Highway, we'll pull up. Yeah. 272 00:17:00.399 --> 00:17:04.240 I don't know if it Alaska Highway, No, it would 273 00:17:04.279 --> 00:17:08.279 have been. Yeah, I don't try that way. That's Arkansas. 274 00:17:08.359 --> 00:17:10.640 Oh no, yeah, the top one. No, it's U kind 275 00:17:10.759 --> 00:17:13.839 So I'll look it up on Google Maps. Okay, I 276 00:17:13.960 --> 00:17:18.640 was just Google is More. Yeah, oh that okay, Yeah, 277 00:17:18.799 --> 00:17:23.160 Alaska Highway. You just did Alaska high Yeah. So I 278 00:17:23.200 --> 00:17:24.839 was hoping it would pull up. But it's like not, 279 00:17:25.799 --> 00:17:31.599 no Canada. It's a dirt Oh no, that's not it. 280 00:17:31.599 --> 00:17:35.119 It's it's like we took it to get back to 281 00:17:35.319 --> 00:17:39.039 Anchorage because of a forest fire and goes like east west. 282 00:17:39.039 --> 00:17:40.960 It's a dirt road. So it might not be listed. 283 00:17:42.279 --> 00:17:46.799 I mean there's one road, so is this it? No, 284 00:17:46.920 --> 00:17:49.440 because it went east west, I don't think we were 285 00:17:49.440 --> 00:17:55.279 that far north. Yeah that's too whatever, so unlisted. I 286 00:17:55.319 --> 00:17:58.440 mean yeah it was, I mean it was definitely a road. 287 00:17:58.480 --> 00:18:02.599 It was gravel, it wasn't paid. But no, this is interesting. 288 00:18:02.640 --> 00:18:04.559 We've never had a case where we've had someone go 289 00:18:04.599 --> 00:18:07.039 out looking for one of these. Kind of gives me 290 00:18:07.039 --> 00:18:11.119 a little trip of phobia. Yeah, tripophobia, whatever it's pronounced. 291 00:18:11.200 --> 00:18:13.839 But uh yeah, So like this, this guy was really 292 00:18:14.079 --> 00:18:16.880 kind of doing an adventure researching. I guess you could 293 00:18:16.880 --> 00:18:23.880 call it this Alaska pyramid. Very interesting, so experience in 294 00:18:23.920 --> 00:18:26.599 the wilderness. He is repeatedly described, like I said, as 295 00:18:26.640 --> 00:18:30.359 an experience outdoorsman in a lot of the sources I 296 00:18:30.759 --> 00:18:33.279 was reading. He was comfortable enough with wilderness travel to 297 00:18:33.279 --> 00:18:37.359 plan a solo four months stay in extremely remote Denali backcountry. 298 00:18:37.400 --> 00:18:39.599 I would say you'd have to be very comfortable to 299 00:18:39.680 --> 00:18:42.279 do that. The fact that he chose such a trip 300 00:18:42.319 --> 00:18:46.440 and set up separate lake supplies and inland camp supports 301 00:18:46.880 --> 00:18:50.480 at least a modernate, moderate wilderness experience, though the official 302 00:18:50.480 --> 00:18:54.640 record does not dwell on his specific training, prior trips 303 00:18:54.720 --> 00:18:59.640 or formal qualifications experiencing that location. There's no documentation that 304 00:18:59.640 --> 00:19:03.759 shows Nathan hit prior trips specifically to Kerry Lake or 305 00:19:03.839 --> 00:19:07.599 that particular corner of Danali before twenty and twenty. His 306 00:19:07.799 --> 00:19:11.440 choice of that location appears tied to its remoteness and 307 00:19:11.519 --> 00:19:15.519 perceive proximity to some of the coordinate sets associated with 308 00:19:15.599 --> 00:19:19.359 the Black Pyramid legend, rather than to long term, repeated 309 00:19:19.359 --> 00:19:23.240 familiarity with that exact landscape. So, in practical terms, he 310 00:19:23.319 --> 00:19:27.440 was a newcomer to that specific area, and he was 311 00:19:27.480 --> 00:19:31.640 stepping out into one of the park's most remote and 312 00:19:31.880 --> 00:19:35.039 demanding areas for an extended solo state. 313 00:19:35.519 --> 00:19:38.359 I'm already starting to think he may have found it. 314 00:19:39.359 --> 00:19:42.119 He thinks, Yeah, that's a theorem I'm operating on this. Okay, Well, 315 00:19:42.200 --> 00:19:43.920 let's save that too off the deep end. 316 00:19:44.079 --> 00:19:47.720 Yep. So we'll jump right in the timeline here. It's 317 00:19:47.799 --> 00:19:52.279 early twenty twenty. Nathan is planning his extended trip into 318 00:19:52.559 --> 00:19:56.440 Dnali National Park and the Carry Lake area, which is 319 00:19:56.519 --> 00:20:00.680 the northwestern part of the park. It's roughly five to 320 00:20:00.680 --> 00:20:06.119 forty miles from the tiny community of Lake Minchuminia. Maybe 321 00:20:06.160 --> 00:20:09.400 said that right. Carrie Lake is a small, isolated lake 322 00:20:09.440 --> 00:20:13.000 surrounded by hundreds of square miles of roadless trailists wilderness 323 00:20:13.079 --> 00:20:17.559 with heavy alder tangles, beaver ponds, and difficult wet ground. 324 00:20:17.599 --> 00:20:20.599 Like Joe said in the location profile, and his intention 325 00:20:20.839 --> 00:20:23.519 was to stay for months. He was going to camp 326 00:20:23.559 --> 00:20:25.759 and fish and keep a diary of his daily life. 327 00:20:26.759 --> 00:20:30.960 He prepares substantial supplies, a large backpack, fishing gear, and 328 00:20:30.960 --> 00:20:33.519 at least a couple of plastic totes full of food 329 00:20:33.599 --> 00:20:37.079 for multi month's day. He also represents that he has 330 00:20:37.200 --> 00:20:40.519 a garment in reach, a two way satellite communicator with 331 00:20:40.599 --> 00:20:43.480 GPS tracker to stay in touch with his wife and 332 00:20:43.559 --> 00:20:46.680 children and to provide SOS capability if something goes wrong. 333 00:20:47.680 --> 00:20:51.279 Beneath the normal wilderness plan, Nathan carries a more unusual 334 00:20:51.319 --> 00:20:54.559 mission we've been talking about. He became interested with the 335 00:20:54.559 --> 00:20:58.640 internet legend of the Lost Pyramid of Alaska and supposed 336 00:20:59.200 --> 00:21:02.400 massive underground structures said to lie somewhere in the interior 337 00:21:02.440 --> 00:21:06.680 of Alaska. During the later documented flight, he will describe 338 00:21:06.680 --> 00:21:09.400 his trip to the pilot as an Indiana Jones adventure. 339 00:21:10.599 --> 00:21:15.079 Very interesting. I don't remember hearing about the Alaska Pyramid. 340 00:21:16.279 --> 00:21:18.720 I don't I feel like now that you said it, 341 00:21:18.759 --> 00:21:20.960 I'm like something in the back of my head's kicking, 342 00:21:21.039 --> 00:21:22.440 but I don't know anything about it. 343 00:21:22.599 --> 00:21:25.319 Hear me out. And this is coming from a perspective 344 00:21:25.359 --> 00:21:28.359 of knowing nothing about this legend at all. I'm coming 345 00:21:28.400 --> 00:21:33.119 from it from a like a logic standpoint. So throughout 346 00:21:33.119 --> 00:21:36.599 the earth we've seen, you've found that people have found pyramids. 347 00:21:36.680 --> 00:21:39.519 That is a thing humans for some reason like to 348 00:21:39.519 --> 00:21:45.319 build in the past. In Egypt and Asia and South America, 349 00:21:45.960 --> 00:21:50.480 lots of places with pyramids. So Alaska there was a 350 00:21:50.559 --> 00:21:53.480 land bridge at one point where humans would cross from 351 00:21:54.319 --> 00:21:59.039 Russia to North American continent when it seemed logical, like 352 00:21:59.079 --> 00:22:01.759 it's such a vast open expanse. Maybe it was warmer 353 00:22:01.839 --> 00:22:05.519 back then. Yeah, that they might have built a pyramid 354 00:22:05.559 --> 00:22:09.279 there too, just like they did in South America and potentially. 355 00:22:09.559 --> 00:22:12.160 So I get it's an interesting theory. Now I know 356 00:22:12.240 --> 00:22:15.119 nothing about it, so we'll have to read up on 357 00:22:15.200 --> 00:22:16.839 the Pyramid of Alaska. 358 00:22:17.839 --> 00:22:19.920 So I'm just going through a Reddit form where they're 359 00:22:19.920 --> 00:22:22.720 talking about doing an expedition to that lake specifically to 360 00:22:22.759 --> 00:22:24.759 do light our scans for the pyramid. 361 00:22:25.039 --> 00:22:27.599 Okay, so he went to that lake specifically. 362 00:22:27.839 --> 00:22:30.400 Yeah, Like I'm trying to figure out they have a 363 00:22:30.440 --> 00:22:33.519 map showing triangulation to that lake essentially. So that's where 364 00:22:33.519 --> 00:22:36.519 a lot of people apparently think it is. Yeah this 365 00:22:36.559 --> 00:22:39.759 is Reddit, yes, So and there's a bunch of people 366 00:22:39.759 --> 00:22:41.319 telling them what they're gonna run into and how they'll 367 00:22:41.319 --> 00:22:43.880 probably die. 368 00:22:44.599 --> 00:22:47.079 So I'm gonna keep going. You keep going, and I'll 369 00:22:47.079 --> 00:22:48.759 see if I can. I mean, that would be a 370 00:22:48.920 --> 00:22:52.720 massive undertaking to bring the light, our equipment out to 371 00:22:52.759 --> 00:22:55.640 somewhere that remote. It's like the same reason why they 372 00:22:55.640 --> 00:22:57.960 haven't done a lot of scans of the Sahara Desert. 373 00:22:58.440 --> 00:23:02.160 It's just really hard to get to interesting. Okay, this 374 00:23:02.200 --> 00:23:04.519 is almost turning into one of those episodes, so we'll 375 00:23:04.519 --> 00:23:07.279 focus back on the timeline. Sorry, no, it's all right. 376 00:23:07.599 --> 00:23:11.400 I find that stuff fascinating. It's May twenty seventh, twenty twenty. 377 00:23:11.480 --> 00:23:15.839 So he charters a small floatplane flight out of the 378 00:23:15.960 --> 00:23:19.160 Teal Kanita area. The pilot flies from across the Last 379 00:23:19.160 --> 00:23:22.279 g Range and lands on Carrie Lake, deep inside Tanali's 380 00:23:22.319 --> 00:23:26.880 northwest back country. This would be described kind of like 381 00:23:27.000 --> 00:23:31.480 his last known contact, last known physical contact, because he 382 00:23:31.559 --> 00:23:34.839 was speaking with his wife on board the aircraft. Nathan 383 00:23:34.839 --> 00:23:37.200 tells a pilot he's on the Great Quest to find 384 00:23:37.240 --> 00:23:41.119 the Pyramid of Alaska, and he has his fishing gears, 385 00:23:41.160 --> 00:23:44.799 backpack and tots of food. He had no firm early 386 00:23:44.880 --> 00:23:48.000 return date locked in. At the drop off, he explains 387 00:23:48.079 --> 00:23:50.559 that he is prepared to stay into late August or 388 00:23:50.559 --> 00:23:53.519 early September. He says his wife will call the air 389 00:23:53.559 --> 00:23:56.599 service if he needs an early pickup, otherwise a pickup 390 00:23:56.599 --> 00:23:59.359 will be scheduled for mid September. Eventually, this would be 391 00:23:59.400 --> 00:24:03.920 set first number fifteenth. The pilot is uneasy about dropping 392 00:24:04.000 --> 00:24:07.799 off a solo traveler in such an isolated country without 393 00:24:07.920 --> 00:24:11.279 a fixed extraction date, but Nathan reassures him that his 394 00:24:11.440 --> 00:24:14.720 in reach will keep him in contact with home and 395 00:24:14.759 --> 00:24:17.759 provide and emergency LAN. So that's interesting. The pilot's even like, 396 00:24:17.880 --> 00:24:20.680 are you sure you want to do this? Like like 397 00:24:20.759 --> 00:24:24.160 that video online that you see, are you sure about that? Yeah, 398 00:24:24.200 --> 00:24:27.640 I'm not sure about that. From I think you should leave. Yeah, 399 00:24:27.680 --> 00:24:31.440 I love them. I love that. That's interesting. Locals in Alaska, 400 00:24:32.000 --> 00:24:35.880 We've mentioned this on other Alaska episodes. They they have 401 00:24:35.960 --> 00:24:39.319