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to get back to your calls here. I got a
bunch of people on the line. We have a lot
of text messages, and there's a lot of anger and
there's a lot of grief today after the assassination of
Charlie Kirk, a radio host, founder of Turning Point USA,
who would go on to college campuses to have discussions
and debates with people because he believed that talking is
the way you prevent violence, because without talking through our
issues and disagreements, then all that's left is violence. And
if that's what's left, then we have no country. And
for that he was murdered because that's where they murdered him.
Constantin Kissin is the host of one of the hosts
of Triggernometry. It's a podcast highly recommended, and he wrote
that I hope I'm wrong, but tonight feels like some
sort of invisible line has been crossed that we didn't
even know was there. The last time I felt like
this was nine to eleven, when it was clear, without
knowing the how and the what, that the world was
about to change forever, like the rules of the game
had been permanently altered and there were simply no going
back to the innocent, peaceful past. I didn't feel like
this when an attempt was made on President Trump's life.
If I had to rationalize why I didn't, I guess
it's because several US presidents have been shot at and
even assassinated. Somehow, it was within the realms of the possible,
no matter how awful. But to murder a young father
simply for doing debates and mobilizing young people to vote
for a party that represents half of America, well that's
something else. Charlie's death is a tragedy for his wife,
his family, and his children. I don't pray often. I
am praying for them tonight, but I fear his murder
will be a tragedy for all of us in ways
we will only understand as time unfolds. I hope I'm wrong,
and I was asked to give the quote again. It
was from Andrew Walker, ethics and public theology professor at
Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, who said, political violence is the
refuge of a losing political movement that cannot make good
arguments or persuade naturally, so they.
Speaker 1: Resort to power raw power.
Speaker 2: To quote win, but their manner of victory is actually
an admission of defeat that the ideas themselves cannot win.
Charlie Kirk was the antithesis of this loser mentality, a
happy warrior, persuasive, daring, and fearless. Let me go back now,
hang on a second to do and pull this up here.
Going back to the phone lines, I shall speak with Richard. Hello, Richard,
welcome to the show.
Speaker 3: Hey, how you doing all right? First of all, I'm
an African American and I just want to you know,
Chris kind of makes me sad, but I just want
to tell Chris you know, as conservatives, we love you man.
And the fact that Charlie Kirk was about the constitution
of the Declaration of Independence and freedom the problem unfortunately
for a lot of African AMers. He told me he
was minord. I'm gonna assume he's Black. African Americans stole mine.
Chris is a free man, but his mind is in
bonded and the Democratic Party has taken full advantage of
the historical pain of Black people to manipulate them and
to keep themselves in power. And unfortunately, people like Chris
free your mind, don't be close minded because all of
his assertions are based on emotion and past historical pain.
And this is what the Democrats historically since LBJ have
been taking advantage of the Black community so they can
maintain power. That wasn't my original foot but I had
to get that out as a black man.
Speaker 1: What was so?
Speaker 2: What was your what was your original thought to And
I think we I mean, look, I agree with you,
and I agree with your assessment, and I think Chris's
inability to formulate the argument when asked like, what is
your evidence of this marginalization, and he literally had no
answer for it. He has just been taught a script
to follow, and people in that left wing echo chamber,
they they just have these scripts.
Speaker 1: They don't they don't.
Speaker 2: They don't examine, they don't do deep dives and really
try to formulate the why they believe what they believe.
Speaker 1: It's just it's just the.
Speaker 4: What I believe that this is how Germany destroyed themselves
because they were just following instead of opening their minds,
and next thing you know, they're following with guys saying
how Hitler. So my original point was the fact that
why weren't there any drones up in the air, because
after a Butler, you would think that this would be
the standard op orational procedure when you have an open area,
open air event with a high profile client, you have
to have security in the air, because we just saw.
Speaker 3: What happened in Butler.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so I'm sorry, I'm not a security expert on
retired law enforcement, but some of this stuff is common sense.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think there.
Speaker 2: I think the school had some personnel there, but like
maybe a half a dozen. I want to say, Charlie
Kirk had a security team as well. I think there
was like four or five members there. So that was
the entire security footprint, it seemed for this event.
Speaker 4: And this doesn't seem adequate with the amount of people
in the amount of space and the amount of buildings.
Speaker 3: That somebody could take a shot at you.
Speaker 4: Now, you know, listen, I'm not part of their security
team the university, but I don't care whether it's Taylor
Swift or Jalo whoever. You better get a drone up there,
because somebody may take a shot at somebody.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I think that's a I think that's a
fair point, Richard.
Speaker 2: I appreciate the call, sir, thanks for making it, Thanks
for hanging on all right, take care.
Speaker 1: I think I think Richard's right.
Speaker 2: I think that there's going to be a reassessment and
re examination of all security protocols for all events of
that nature that are that, as he said, high profile
figure the size of the crowd, and to simply rely
on a college campus security force to plan and protect.
I think people are going to be disabused of the
of the current protocol as it stands. Next up here,
let me go to I think this is Kevin Welcome
to the show.
Speaker 5: Hey Kevin, Hey there sad sad day to day.
Speaker 6: Yeah. My point was, like on Charlie Kurt, he is.
Speaker 5: The couple of callers ago.
Speaker 6: Apparently that fellow didn't was a name, Chris, I think. Yeah,
he clearly hadn't looked at any of Charlie's videos because
he was you know that Charlie defended the minorities. It
was it was amazing how how much he like was
brought out before he would let people speak. And that
was the big thing with Charlie his he continued his dialogues.
If we we don't continue dialogue, unfortunately, what it's going
to do, we're letting his death be in vain. I mean,
he he died for his cause, and it's if we
continue the dialogue, we honor him. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I do, Yeah, I do. I agree.
Speaker 2: I don't think the answer is to retreat back into
silence or something and to be cowed.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Another thing is what I was thinking was we're not
You're not ever going to convince someone who's far left
to change anything. But some of these events can really
reach people's hearts that are maybe in the middle. I
think that's key. So responding was you quoted earlier in
the scripture that is keep conquering evil with the good.
That's so critical. I mean, I would put Charlie up
there with Martin Luther King JFK. They were revolutionaries, but
revolutionaries not with violence, with words and reached people's hearts.
So yeah, that was just my comment.
Speaker 1: All right, Kevin, I appreciate it. Thanks for calling in.
All right, take care.
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Speaker 1: Uh, let's go on to the back to the phones.
Speaker 4: Here.
Speaker 2: Oh look, it's my old friend Shawn. Hello, Sean, welcome
to the program.
Speaker 7: Get afternoon, man.
Speaker 1: You're happy today.
Speaker 7: I'm not happy for nobody, Okay, but let me get
since you made that appointment, since you made that look
on his look on his our pod one time one
day he made that statement himself. Somebody trust him. You
look at you look on his his his podcast, somebody
asked him should somebody gets shot? And his comment was
it people.
Speaker 8: Still get shot.
Speaker 1: He didn't say that. What he said now, that's not
what he says. He was at.
Speaker 2: The question was about the trade off of Second Amendment
rights for zero gun deaths and his and what his
response was that that is unfortunately one of the prices
that we pay.
Speaker 7: Well well for him to say that, that's that's not
good way to say.
Speaker 1: So he what do you mean that's not that?
Speaker 2: That is because this is here's the thing, No, Sean,
here's the thing, Like if you're like the premise of
and this is the debate that's happening now among people
on the left, they're saying, oh, gun control, gun control,
And honestly, it's a terrible argument right now today because
I am not going to give up my guns when
people are trying to kill me for my political beliefs.
Speaker 1: Okay, So it's not a winning argument on that front.
Speaker 2: And that was what that's what his point was was
because it is the evil in the people, and so
you cannot take up all of the firearms. If you
attempt to take them all, then evil people still will
be able to get some, and then you are at
their mercy. So you need to be able to defend yourself.
And and unfortunately, there will always be evil. So therefore
there will always be people who use firearms to murder others.
But the answer is not to give up the guns.
Speaker 7: Unfortunate that's happened to him. So let me make Mama comedy.
Another reason I didn't know the person Gorid. I didn't
even look at that part to that everybody sought did
another thing he had?
Speaker 2: What So how do you know? So can I ask you?
I'll let you answer your question. But how do you
know what he what his positions were? If you didn't
know of the guy until.
Speaker 7: Because I looked I looked on his applot, I'm giving
you another position. What he said about first Lady Michelle Obama,
he the first lay the first action Supreme Justice. He
said they got they got their way because the Firman action.
He didn't even finish college, so he didn't even make
a comment. He didn't finish college. Are you gonna comment
about somebody in the first lady, do you.
Speaker 1: Think finishing college?
Speaker 2: Do you think do you think finishing college is an
indication of one's intelligence.
Speaker 7: That's not I'm not saying that. Okay made that comment.
I wouldn't have made that comment.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't Okay, So how does the how does the
how does the fact that he and by the way,
he didn't go to college because he was building Turning
Point USA. He decided at the time he had a choice,
do I go to college and then put all of
this Turning Point USA stuff onto the shelf and not
pursue it, or does he focus on building the business?
And the advice that he got was, hey, you can
always go back to college, but you're you've got something
right now that you're building, so keep building that. So
it wasn't that he was stupid and he couldn't get
into college. I'm Sean. I didn't say you, Sean. I
did not say you said that. I was pointing out
that was the reason why he opted not to go
to college was because he was building Turning Point.
Speaker 7: Where he was going to all of these I got
one more comment when he was going on.
Speaker 2: What is but hang on, Sean, what does what does
his not going to college have to do with his
comments about Michelle Obama?
Speaker 7: Because you're telling you, you're talking to an African American
person saying that the first lady Daha Rod and to
Nail Jackson got it right, called the permanent accent. And
you know the reason why from Ashton was there to
all your white people? Know why from Action was there?
Were you explained to your white folks?
Speaker 2: Then okay, white Sean, Sean, at the risk of at
the risk of projecting upon every single white person a
similar understanding of all things, because that would be racist.
Speaker 1: I'm sure what you mean to say, most like.
Speaker 7: They don't understand a permanent accent.
Speaker 1: Oh no, they do. No.
Speaker 2: The audience in the audience of talk radio generally speaking
present company, notwithstanding, they understand what affirmative action was originally
designed to do. And we also know and sewn and
we also understand what it became. And the charge the
allegation of affirmative action hiring for Katanji Brown Jackson was
based on what Joe Biden said.
Speaker 7: Well, well you you, but do you want to put
somebody in regaldless to what he said, you want to
put African Americania. It could be whatever, but that's the
person he chose. It could have been a Korean person,
but at that particular time, that's what he's thought.
Speaker 2: And then my last boy, no, no, no, hang on, no,
I'm not going to let you move off of this.
Speaker 1: I'm hang on, I'm not going to let you move
off this so soon.
Speaker 2: Right, So, the the fact that Joe Biden said, I
promised to appoint a black female to the Supreme Court?
Do you believe that that is Do you believe that
that is essential? Do you believe that that is setting
a racial quota?
Speaker 7: If she was satisfied? Know why he put that in there?
Should said a female? If he was, maybe he put
that in there.
Speaker 2: But but why then set why.
Speaker 1: Set the quota? Why make the promise?
Speaker 7: I canna read his mind.
Speaker 2: You gotta ask no, you know why? Come on, Sean,
you know why a politician would say that, a Democrat
would say that.
Speaker 1: You know why?
Speaker 7: You know why? Do you know why he put the
other three on that down? You know reason why Donald
Trump put the other three on there that he got
on there?
Speaker 3: Now?
Speaker 7: Right?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 7: Because okay, then we both agree and then my last one.
Speaker 1: Wait, wait, we both agree about.
Speaker 7: What about the reason why he got this three on
there and the one that he suggested that should be
on there.
Speaker 2: Well you haven't said, well, you haven't said why you
believe Trump made the appointment hemate, So what why do
you think?
Speaker 7: Then? Well, the three that whatever he uh that he
he want to approve. But like what's going on there?
Everything he runs up there to the Supreme Court, it's
always leaning to it and not all of the majority
of it. And that's bad for the country, you.
Speaker 2: Know, right, So he appointed people based on a judicial philosophy.
Speaker 1: No, that's what they're determining.
Speaker 2: Oh, that's exactly what they're Well, they determined it based
on their judicial philosophy, Sean. So yes, he appointed people
based on their judicial philosophy, and that that philosophy was
recommended to him by the Federalist Society folks. So because
they vet all of these candidates and such and they
rank them and say, these people are originalists in their
judicial philosophy, and so that's why he picked it. But
he didn't pick them based on race. No, I know, so,
but that's the difference. No, No, I know, you did it, Sean.
But I'm saying he didn't do it for that. He
didn't do it for He did not set up a
racial hiring quota for his picks. He did it based
on what they think about things. And that is not
what Joe Biden did. Joe Biden said, I'm picking a
black woman. That's who I'm going to be picking. Vote
for me, and that was the promise. That's why he
said it, and it helped to win the election for him,
And that's why Charlie Kirk called it an affirmative action
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terms Limited timeoffer. Brian, Welcome to the show. Hello Brian, Hey,
how you doing me? I'm good? Am I on your
speakerphone again? U? Yeah, yeah, this is always the case
with you, Brian.
Speaker 1: Come on.
Speaker 8: Oh, I'm sorry about that.
Speaker 1: That's all right, drift so no, I got you.
Speaker 8: But but yeah, I wanted to find out why they're
using these terms like a fascinate and a political murder.
Speaker 7: For this young man, which is tragic.
Speaker 8: You know, he's a young man of course and had
a young family, so it's tragic all the way around.
But this wasn't a political figure.
Speaker 7: He didn't hold office or anything, did he.
Speaker 2: Uh no, he did not hold office. But do you
think he's not a political figure?
Speaker 7: No? No, I don't you know. He's not hold he's
not holding office.
Speaker 2: He ran for any Well that's that would hang on,
that would be a that would be a politician.
Speaker 1: He's not a politician.
Speaker 7: No, no, No.
Speaker 8: What I'm saying is that, well, politicians are political correct.
Speaker 2: Yes, but but political figures are not necessarily politicians.
Speaker 8: Okay, so every murder can be political, then INVESTI case.
Speaker 2: Not if they weren't involved, Not if they weren't involved
in politics. I'm sorry, not if they weren't involved in politics.
He led, he led Turning Point Us and Ryan Bryan
he led, he led Turning Point Us A which was
a mobilization organization for young voters.
Speaker 8: What is what is that a conservative outfit or something?
Speaker 1: I never said, yes that what guy is?
Speaker 3: Okay?
Speaker 8: Yeah, so so so therefore that's a white ring, I mean,
a right wing kind of an organization that he was
leading or something like that. But listen, basically what it
boils down to.
Speaker 7: Was white and white crime. That's that's basically what.
Speaker 1: It all was down How do you know the shooter
was white?
Speaker 7: Well, you know what, that is a good question that
that is that is an assumption because of the on
the Utah campus, I'm pretty much and the guy just
they said that the guy and your youth cat was
saying that the guy kind of escaped in the crowd
from the black man out there with all those white folks.
Somebody would have seen it. Somebody would have seen it.
So is it then assumption on my part?
Speaker 2: It definitely is an assumption on your I don't know
what the race of the shooter is, but you or
your your complaint, your complaint, it seems sort of like
you want to minimize this by calling it just a
white on white crime or something. Why would you, I mean,
correct me if I'm wrong, or it seems like you're
trying to minimize it.
Speaker 8: No, that's how you just took it.
Speaker 7: That's just the fact.
Speaker 2: That is how I took it. That's why I'm asking
if that's how you intended it.
Speaker 7: No, no, no, no, no, I didn't. I know. I'm
just stating, like a statistic is a fact. I mean,
why don't white crime happens all the time?
Speaker 8: It's just not publicized in the news media right as suck.
Speaker 2: No, I mean white, white on white crime. If it's
a crime story, it moves in the media. There's no
doubt about that. And most most crime occurs white on white,
black on black, Hispanic on Hispanic. That's the vast majority
of crime. It's all intraracial crime.
Speaker 8: Right right, right, So why why there's a lot of
guys out here that are murdered that are Hispanic black whatever?
You know what I'm saying, And they got political views.
They talk about that political views on social.
Speaker 7: Media and everything else.
Speaker 8: But they're not computed the political.
Speaker 1: Murders, right because they're not leading.
Speaker 2: They're not leading the largest uh youth mobilization effort in America.
They're not doing political rallies, they're not doing campaign rallies,
they're not appearing with politicians. I don't so again, like Bran,
I'm trying to understand, like what the purpose of the call,
Like if you're taking you're taking issue with the use
of the term assassination, the word assassination.
Speaker 7: I mean, no, I'm talking about political murder. It's like
it's like that.
Speaker 8: I mean that not to be disparaging or not. But
but the guy wasn't He's not John F. Kennedy, you know,
he's not Martin Luther King, He's not uh, you know, any.
Speaker 7: Of those those term of type of people. He's he's
leading the organization, a white wing organization, uh that goes
on campus and speaking and so.
Speaker 8: But but to call it a political murder, you.
Speaker 1: Know it is.
Speaker 7: I don't know that that's over the top.
Speaker 1: Why did so what?
Speaker 2: Why but why does this why does this motivate you
to call a radio show to complain about the use
of the term a political murder, which I don't think
I've actually used the term.
Speaker 1: I called it an assassination.
Speaker 2: So I'm not sure who's using the term political murder really,
I mean.
Speaker 7: Because it's like those terms you know people use terms.
Speaker 8: Now that uh that uh that are terms that are
ship for different.
Speaker 7: Occasions or for specific occasions, but now people just stew
them all over the place.
Speaker 2: Right, So you don't like the fact that the term
assassination is used to describe the murder of Martin Luther
King Junior, a private citizen who was engaged in political activity,
And you don't like the use of that term being
used for for Charlie Kirk.
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, yeah, to bet not politicians. Neither was King
at all.
Speaker 1: Neither was neither was doctor King.
Speaker 7: You have you listen, you have political use and you
have a platform, right, uh huh right, so somebody so
so so somebody would come at God forbid uh to
take your life or what have you?
Speaker 5: Would you would you would.
Speaker 7: You think that will get political murder.
Speaker 2: A political So like you're you're first off, Sean, you're
using you're using a term political murder. The term that
I have not heard anybody use until you just called
in and used it. Okay, I don't know what political
murder is. Now this is this is this has been
called an assassination, a political assassination.
Speaker 7: That's that's been what's said on w b D all
day to day.
Speaker 2: Okay, I have not heard it. I've been listening. I
haven't heard the term. But I don't understand why.
Speaker 1: I don't understand why this is the thing that's tripping
your trigger. Why are you so upset?
Speaker 2: Because if somebody showed up right now on scene where
I am and killed me for being who I am
and doing what I do and saying what I say,
then yes I would fall into that same category.
Speaker 1: Sean. Yeah, but but listen, I want to you want
to know.
Speaker 2: What an assassination is. I'm going to give you the
definition real quick. It is the Okay, tell all right,
what is it?
Speaker 1: Tell me?
Speaker 7: Assassination is that the murder of uh someone over political,
political views or political stances or religious No?
Speaker 2: No, no, it's not an assassination, Sean. An assassination is
quote the murder of a public figure by surprise attack.
Speaker 7: Yeah, but guess based on politics.
Speaker 2: Or that's why people put the term political assassination because
it was politically motivated, politically driven.
Speaker 1: There's no other reason, No, Sean, there is no other reason.
There is no other reason to go to that campus.
Lay in wait, do you understand? Do you know? Do
you know what the circumstances are, what they've read? No?
Speaker 2: No, I do I know some of the details. Now
I know, Sean, I do know some of the details. Sean,
you do not, So do you are you aware of?
Speaker 1: Okay? Sean?
Speaker 2: All right, you're you're you're getting to be a bit
hysterical and just screaming and shouting as you normally do.
Speaker 1: Oh, I'm sorry, that's Brian.
Speaker 2: You're getting a bit hysterical and you're shouting and screaming
because I think you don't want me to make the
point that you know I'm about to make, which is
that you don't go to a venue like the venue
we saw at the college campus for a free speech
debate hosted by Charlie Kirk, who is known for these events,
specifically for these events, And you don't climb on top
of a building, procure yourself a bolt action rifle, car
of a bunch of anti fascism slogans and transgender slogans
into the AMMO. Shoot the man as he's taken a
question about transgenderism, murder him and then escape. That is
an assassination. There is no other reason to do that
but for his public figure stature, which is based on
his politics. That's why he's famous.
Speaker 1: That's it. That's why he's famous.
Speaker 2: So you can try, like I would recommend Brian that
you try to figure out a better argument to channel
right now, because that argument is probably the dumbest one
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better returns A message from Kevin who says, Pete, your
debate skills are so badass you couldn't pay me to
debate you on air.
Speaker 1: Love your show, Have a great day. Thank you, Kevin,
I appreciate it.
Speaker 2: Brian says Chris Caller Chris from Last Hour just another
leftist that screams victim and points fingers.
Speaker 1: He kept s saying taken away his rights.
Speaker 2: And Charlie Kirk would always ask in his debates, what
can't a black person do that I can do? And
no one ever had an answer. Chris's argument is that
if your feelings are hurt and you feel that you're marginalized,
then I guess it's okay and understandable. If somebody snaps
and kills someone who disagrees with him. This is the
dumbest logic and quite frankly, what has gotten our country
into the mess that we're in right now. It is
the same when the mayor of Charlotte comes out and
tries to be understanding of a crazy man murdering a
person on the light rail because he's got a mental problem,
as if, okay, do you have a mental problem, Well,
it's understandable if you killed somebody. We must understand that
you feel marginalized and it's our fault. We failed you
because you have a mental issue. We need to do
away with leaders with this type of logic. JT says,
with all due respect, I disagree, Pete. Chris and his
kind don't really believe they're part of the problem. They're
not part of the problem. Their express intent is to
be a problem. And Alice says, ain't it something the
side that wants to ban guns shoot the Second Amendment? Folks, Yes,
I have noticed that as well. Ray, welcome to the show. Hey, Ray,
I have about a minute.
Speaker 5: Okay, I'll make it quick. I won't repeat what's already
been said everything I can think of about commenting about Chris,
but I will answer his question that he asks is
what this country has done for him? And I would
say two things in eighteen middle eighteen sixties, over half
a million of mostly what people died for his rights
and the Emancipation Proclamation.
Speaker 2: No, that's a fair point, Ray, I appreciate the call.
It's true too. Yeah, it's amazing how how far a
little bit of gratitude goes in your personal life, you know,
and when you try to step back and look at
things in a more nuanced and recognizing the complexities and
the different time periods that people were in there. Yeah,
I'm not going to litigate the issue of slavery. It's
just pointless right now. But yeah, there are people that
just perceive themselves as victims all the time, and that
is where they will remain. All right, that'll do it
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