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Speaker 1: So all right, yeah, before John gets here, we'll have
Speaker 1: a little bit of warm up in conversation. Let the
Speaker 1: other nerds trickle in like Ron Reagan's trickle in nerd economy.
Speaker 1: Uh When will I be on the worsty stream? They
Speaker 1: keep saying next week? They said. Look, I said the
Speaker 1: other day that the guy that they're geting is supposed
Speaker 1: to be down, big, big YouTuber, bigger than sticks, bigger
Speaker 1: than Stefan. So let's cross your fingers and let's hope
Speaker 1: that it goes down this week. On Warski stream, Andy
Speaker 1: says it should be good. We'll see. I don't know
Speaker 1: if that'll be Wednesday or Thursday, but probably some some
Speaker 1: somewhere in there if if the big name guy agrees
Speaker 1: to it. So it was Cooper dead in season three, yeah,
Speaker 1: twin Peaks stuff. Uh, I think so. I think we're
Speaker 1: supposed to think that he was and this was a different,
Speaker 1: you know, alternate dimension. But I'm gonna that'll be in
Speaker 1: the book. By the way, here's the the next four
Speaker 1: hundred pages of esoteric Hollywood too, and then that'll be
Speaker 1: in there. So taken forever. It takes forever to write books.
Speaker 1: But this is to just to trigger everybody and to
Speaker 1: make evangelicals mad. I'm going to uh, I'm going to
Speaker 1: play the Russian Orthodox proclamation of anathemas that's read on
Speaker 1: Triumph of Orthodoxy Sunday. And this one's neat because only
Speaker 1: in the Russian do you hear the specific kind of
Speaker 1: it's directed at those who would not listen to the
Speaker 1: imperium right the God or Dane emperors. So it's just
Speaker 1: going to be a couple of minutes because I'm going
Speaker 1: to pour my coffee. It's late, I'm tired. But we're
Speaker 1: gonna have a good talk with John and I'll be
Speaker 1: back in about three minutes. And you can listen to
Speaker 1: the proclamations of the anathemas against those who don't accept
Speaker 1: the goddardined Orthodox emperors.
Speaker 2: If if I do that, you Talbot, there's Irish ship
Speaker 2: Rotimus it mables, it is terrible.
Speaker 3: Alto Uh.
Speaker 1: Does your church sing anathema?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 4: Nothing?
Speaker 1: That is wild. It reminds me if you've ever seen
Speaker 1: the Thomas Beckett movie with Richard Burton when he does
Speaker 1: the anathema no one to go about another all? And yeah,
Speaker 1: you might as well not go crazy in the chat
Speaker 1: because I have the thing turned on. What. We're not
Speaker 1: here to talk about Batha Matt, dude, why you keep
Speaker 1: bringing that up. Well, I'm glad you want to talk
Speaker 1: about Satan, but we're here tonight to talk about We're
Speaker 1: here to talk to John Adams of Pokestbusters. If you've
Speaker 1: listened to Jay's analysis, you're familiar with John Adams. John
Speaker 1: will be joining us shortly. That's sorry, we're getting up
Speaker 1: here into the ninety nerds. Ninety nerds up in here.
Speaker 1: What's the nerds? John Adams is gonna join us here
Speaker 1: in a little bit. And he did a lot of
Speaker 1: research on evangelical gobbledegook, and that's the theme for tonight.
Speaker 1: That's what we're going to talk about. I was raised
Speaker 1: in this gobbledegook, so I know about it. John was
Speaker 1: as well. Now John's not Orthodox, He's not coming from
Speaker 1: the orthodox perspective. He's coming from the perspective of having
Speaker 1: done a lot of research just kind of on the
Speaker 1: geopolitical tip. And so we're gonna really delve into that
Speaker 1: because that's a big puzzle piece. If you don't get
Speaker 1: the geopolitical side of all the pre millennial gobbledygook, you're
Speaker 1: gonna be confused. And actually that's a big part of
Speaker 1: it that really explains. Once you get that, they're like, oh,
Speaker 1: that's why Russia is gog and Maygog has nothing to
Speaker 1: do with what the Bible's actually talking about. It's used
Speaker 1: by geopolitical group groups to demonize whoever is the current
Speaker 1: you know, uh, supposed anti Christ character of it's useful
Speaker 1: to Washington's foreign policy. So we but we will also
Speaker 1: talk about I've got whole stacks of books that I'm
Speaker 1: gonna recommend. It's not going to be boring, but we
Speaker 1: will get into maybe some verses here and there. Uh. Oh,
Speaker 1: do we have John. We have John, We have John Sign.
Speaker 1: We have John Sign.
Speaker 3: A friend.
Speaker 1: I'm doing well, John. It's been many months since we talked,
Speaker 1: and we've already got us here. Just at the beginning,
Speaker 1: one hundred live nerds watching how are you? You know?
Speaker 3: Which see you on the.
Speaker 1: Is that? Uh? I always get your your Johnny Carson
Speaker 1: and your Alex mixed up?
Speaker 3: Yes, sometimes they say sometimes sometimes Uh the cross.
Speaker 1: Over, Well you do you do a you do a
Speaker 1: really good version of both? And uh. A lot of
Speaker 1: people in the chat are saying hello John. For those
Speaker 1: that might be new, yes I will. By the way
Speaker 1: I'm going on, people are saying, bring on Davis. Davis
Speaker 1: and I and Matt are going to be doing a
Speaker 1: live show Monday. I think John, tell us who you
Speaker 1: are and your site, what kind of work you do.
Speaker 1: For those that are not familiar with John.
Speaker 5: Adams, I am okay, hold on, Folksbusters call dot com and.
Speaker 3: Myself and my friend Chris Kendall, we talk about.
Speaker 1: Hey, John, Paul's one Secon and here we're getting echo.
Speaker 1: Let me.
Speaker 3: What's up?
Speaker 1: Let me fix the voice thing here. I think this
Speaker 1: should solve. Okay, does everybody hear John better? Now?
Speaker 3: Can you hear me? Can you hear me better?
Speaker 1: Okay? Yeah, everybody says this sounds good? Now. Okay, So,
Speaker 1: as we were saying, John is the guy from Hoastbusters,
Speaker 1: start over, John tell us new to tell all the
Speaker 1: new listeners watchers who you are and what you do.
Speaker 3: I co host the Afternoon Commute with Chris Kendall at
Speaker 3: Hoaxbusters Call dot com. Uh, it's a weekly podcast. We're
Speaker 3: on a hiatus for a little bit right now, taking
Speaker 3: it easy. But yeah, we if you go back into
Speaker 3: our archives, you can find we got something like five
Speaker 3: hundred calls that we've done together, done a lot of research,
Speaker 3: special reports. That's why you have me here to talk
Speaker 3: about one of the special reports that we did today.
Speaker 3: You've obviously been on numerous times, countless times with us,
Speaker 3: had some of the best calls we've ever had with you.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I'm sure a lot of the listeners to
Speaker 3: Jason Elysis are familiar with.
Speaker 1: The Mega the.
Speaker 3: Term you coined Mega Interview.
Speaker 1: I think we did kind of get that going because
Speaker 1: now if you've noticed what's the trend in YouTube is
Speaker 1: everybody's doing these like four or five six hour live streams.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not literally saying we started that before
Speaker 1: people go crazy, but we did do that, and we
Speaker 1: were having a lot of fun with those six hour
Speaker 1: epic marathon live streams. And now this is YouTube has
Speaker 1: gone crazy with debates. Now this is the hottest thing.
Speaker 1: Where was this ten years ago? I would have a
Speaker 1: million subscribers by now if I knew that there was
Speaker 1: live stream of eights ten years ago. Maybe there wasn't
Speaker 1: ten years ago. I don't know. Anyway, Tonight, we're here
Speaker 1: to discuss the most recent research that you've done. And
Speaker 1: I've listened to some of the podcasts that you've done,
Speaker 1: really good stuff. Really, it really drives well with information
Speaker 1: that I lived because I grew up in the evangelical
Speaker 1: pre millennial kind of mindset. I got really into that
Speaker 1: when I was eighteen or nineteen, and then I kind
Speaker 1: of grew out of it for various reasons. We're not
Speaker 1: going to go into all that per se, but what
Speaker 1: you focused on in your podcasts and in your talks
Speaker 1: was a lot of the geopolitical and kind of do beous,
Speaker 1: shady character aspects behind these guys who are so prominent
Speaker 1: and put up there for us to follow, like the
Speaker 1: hal Lindsay's in this kind of stuff. So maybe we
Speaker 1: can just dive right in and get into talking about
Speaker 1: some of these characters and seeing how ridiculous they are.
Speaker 1: And I thought I knew a lot about this, John,
Speaker 1: You're one of the most well read guys. I know.
Speaker 1: You had all kinds of facts about these guys that
Speaker 1: I had never heard that. It was just like who
Speaker 1: in their right mind I guess because people just don't
Speaker 1: know this, But who would in their right minds would
Speaker 1: listen to these people after being wrong so many zillions
Speaker 1: of times? And I was particularly cracking up at how
Speaker 1: Lindsey's scheme of like the rapture's coming and then the
Speaker 1: money that comes in. He's like investing in property in Malibu.
Speaker 1: I was cracking me up. So John, tell us about
Speaker 1: these characters, just dive right in.
Speaker 3: Well, just to preface it, around the nineteen fifties sixties
Speaker 3: around there, you see a trend with the church kind
Speaker 3: of you know, streaming across all particular denominations. I guess
Speaker 3: you know, Lutheran, Methodist, all that type of stuff, and
Speaker 3: for the most part, they you know, worship services kind
Speaker 3: of standardized to a certain extent. I'm just given a generalization.
Speaker 3: By the way, I don't claim to be a religious expert.
Speaker 3: My knowledge of religion is only empirical and you know,
Speaker 3: I've read the Bible two times, so they have a
Speaker 3: standardized kind of worship service no matter what denomination you
Speaker 3: kind of go into. It's kind of similar. And by
Speaker 3: the time the nineteen sixties and the you know, the
Speaker 3: culture changed, the you know, radical leftist type stuff starts
Speaker 3: popping into the mainline culture, you know, in academia and
Speaker 3: just in pop culture and whatnot, it starts to actually
Speaker 3: leak over into the church. And I'm suspicious as to
Speaker 3: whether the you know, churches were being led down this
Speaker 3: path right on purpose.
Speaker 1: And one of the one.
Speaker 3: Of the things you start to see pop up is
Speaker 3: youth groups and you know, the churches, you know, I
Speaker 3: would i would say for the most part, churches probably
Speaker 3: during that time period align themselves with anti communist type stuff, right,
Speaker 3: And I'd say the average pew dweller didn't realize that,
Speaker 3: you know, maybe similar things were kind of seeping into
Speaker 3: their church like youth groups, youth you know, youth oriented
Speaker 3: type stuff. So worship services were changing where you know,
Speaker 3: teenagers or pre teens as they're called down those type
Speaker 3: they would you know, go out of the service and
Speaker 3: then go into a youth oriented type things, separating the
Speaker 3: children from the parents and then thus creating a kind
Speaker 3: of like, I don't know, maybe like a more dumbed
Speaker 3: down kind of thing for the kids.
Speaker 1: It is, You're absolutely right. This is the history of
Speaker 1: Sunday School, which was a Protestant invention to kind of
Speaker 1: have tailored messages for different groups, niche markets, and it
Speaker 1: really reflects kind of a market view of how to
Speaker 1: do the church and this kind of stuff. And actually,
Speaker 1: this is not just going to be an orthodox type
Speaker 1: podcast or discussion here, but I will say, just because
Speaker 1: it's relevant to your point that this has been a
Speaker 1: long time criticism of Orthodoxy, is that even going back
Speaker 1: to the Roman Catholic Church in the Middle Ages, around
Speaker 1: the time of the Carolinians, you have a change in
Speaker 1: practice to where prior to that it was normative for
Speaker 1: children to participate in the fullness of all the sacraments,
Speaker 1: even infants. And that's why the Orthodox Church, for example,
Speaker 1: always continues the practice of pedal communion infants take communion.
Speaker 1: Even this changed nobody tout debates this about nine hundred
Speaker 1: or roughly in the Latin Church. And then you kind
Speaker 1: of have that tendency in the Protestant churches to continue
Speaker 1: that tradition of splitting groups and people off into different sections,
Speaker 1: to have children's church, to have Sunday school. And it's
Speaker 1: not that there's a problem with having some sort of
Speaker 1: Bible study before church. That's not the point. The point
Speaker 1: is that this was a kind of intentional I would say, uh, separation,
Speaker 1: separation of groups out of what would be for us
Speaker 1: communal worship. So I think you're absolutely right there. I
Speaker 1: was glad when you noticed that that that actually and yes,
Speaker 1: you're correct that even in the Protestant world, in the
Speaker 1: Roman Catholic world, this in America became more prevalent, this
Speaker 1: splitting off in the invention of children's church and Sunday
Speaker 1: school and all this stuff, precisely because as it got
Speaker 1: into the Cold War period, they really wanted, i think,
Speaker 1: to to alter the landscape of America not just through
Speaker 1: the pop culture, but it also through the churches and
Speaker 1: that was That's what's so crucial. And if you do,
Speaker 1: if you read weim Hoff's book that Tim Kelly has done,
Speaker 1: you know, interviews with this guy, this really demonstrates this
Speaker 1: point powerfully from the Catholic perspective that even in the
Speaker 1: Catholic Church, this was this was the case. So that
Speaker 1: was a long rant. Go ahead, John, No, that's fine.
Speaker 3: You know, I did this talk with Chris, and I
Speaker 3: did this talk with Tim Kelly as well, So I
Speaker 3: welcome your input and the extra things you can add
Speaker 3: are definitely welcomed. Yeah, Sunday School is an invention you're
Speaker 3: right of southern California. Interestingly enough, at the extensive research Chris,
Speaker 3: Chris and I have talked about Southern California comes from
Speaker 3: a lady by the name of Henrietta Meres, and she
Speaker 3: kind of pushed this idea of Sunday School out into
Speaker 3: the world. And she was actually the mentor to to
Speaker 3: Bill Bright, the creator of the campus for crusades for Christ. Yeah,
Speaker 3: she was also very she played a big role in
Speaker 3: the Billy Graham Crusades when Billy Graham was first coming
Speaker 3: out in like, you know, late nineteen forties. She used
Speaker 3: for Sunday School to kind of push his ministry. She
Speaker 3: was also very have you know, she was very helpful
Speaker 3: to Ronald Reagan too with his governor and his presidential
Speaker 3: election and whatnot. These you'll see these characters throughout this US,
Speaker 3: you know, throughout this discussion kind of popping and out here.
Speaker 3: But getting back to the worship service. By the time
Speaker 3: you get into the late nineteen sixties, you start to
Speaker 3: see this kind of bellion against traditional worship service kind
Speaker 3: of come in. And one thing you see out of
Speaker 3: this is you start to see these new kind of
Speaker 3: forms of worship service, you know, church start to take place.
Speaker 1: Uh and uh, no, are you are you're talking about
Speaker 1: like the non dominant, the rise of non denominational churches
Speaker 1: and strip mall churches.
Speaker 3: Absolutely yes, Uh industrial park churches. Uh that's where I
Speaker 3: went to church, in an industrial park.
Speaker 1: Uh. Yeah.
Speaker 3: So you see you see this rise of oh, we
Speaker 3: don't want we don't want steeples, we don't want old
Speaker 3: people and pews, we want young people with long hair
Speaker 3: and sandals and ex hippies and ex druggies and all
Speaker 3: that type of stuff. Not knocking that. Like I said,
Speaker 3: I grew up around that type stuff, good people. This
Speaker 3: has nothing to do with people's evangelical beliefs or anything
Speaker 3: by myself. I'm not a religious person. I was raised religious,
Speaker 3: but I don't go with any particular belief system. But
Speaker 3: so I'm just looking at it objectively, and so with
Speaker 3: these people who were true believers. I believe that this
Speaker 3: movement was created and used for something a little bit
Speaker 3: later down the line, into the nineteen eighties. It created
Speaker 3: this idea of an apocalyptic religion. It was people were
Speaker 3: primed for this, and it wasn't only the church, it
Speaker 3: was the culture in general was kind of primed for
Speaker 3: this apocalypse. You know, Charles Manson is you know, having
Speaker 3: people murdered everywhere, and you know it's the end of
Speaker 3: the world. People are on drugs, Oh my gosh. This
Speaker 3: was also used as something to get people into the church.
Speaker 3: It's like, hey, the end of the world is, so
Speaker 3: you better, you better get in there. It was also
Speaker 3: used by the campus crusades and promoted throughout this this
Speaker 3: particular type of evangelicism. You saw the rise of this
Speaker 3: kind of new thing of being born again, and born
Speaker 3: again didn't always apply to non believers. It was actually
Speaker 3: to other believers. You see, it wasn't good enough that
Speaker 3: you were a Christian. You had to be born again,
Speaker 3: you had accept the Holy Spirit, the Holy you know,
Speaker 3: if you didn't accept the Holy Spirit, you weren't doing
Speaker 3: it the right way. If you read Bill Bright's book.
Speaker 3: If you read Bill Bright's book, he actually says that
Speaker 3: this is kind of a tactic that you need, you know,
Speaker 3: you need to go out and proselytize to believers because they're.
Speaker 1: Doing it wrong. That's a great point, Yeah, that the
Speaker 1: charismatic movement will figure into this in a big way,
Speaker 1: because I think you can very easily say from the
Speaker 1: entire history of the Charismatic movement that it was something
Speaker 1: that was co opted. And while you're talking about Bill Bright,
Speaker 1: it reminds me there's a great chapter in Ingdahl's newest book,
Speaker 1: Lost Hegemon, where he discusses the CIA intentionally choosing and
Speaker 1: using not just Billy Graham and the Billy Graham crusade
Speaker 1: because but also uh the that that the Pentagon is
Speaker 1: who initially put the money into campus crusade. And so
Speaker 1: you're absolutely right, this is in the period of the
Speaker 1: Cold War and it was so it's part of that,
Speaker 1: you know, evil Empire dialectic that the Pentagon was putting
Speaker 1: so much money into. And that's what that's where you
Speaker 1: get the rise of the moral majority, the rise of
Speaker 1: the Evangelical Protestant dominionist movement, who originally links up with
Speaker 1: kat Robertson kat Robertson, Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah. You started to steal all the all
Speaker 3: this stuff starts to come about all at the same time.
Speaker 3: Really like you know, by the end of the seventies
Speaker 3: into the early eighties, it all you know, rises up
Speaker 3: around Reagan and we and so you have this generation
Speaker 3: of people from you know, nineteen sixty seven to nineteen
Speaker 3: eighty who were kind of primed for this period. There
Speaker 3: wasn't going to be an apocalypse. I mean, I'm my
Speaker 3: parents believe that there was, you know, people in the pews.
Speaker 3: I'm sure there were actual preachers who did believe that
Speaker 3: there was going to be one. But a lot of
Speaker 3: this comes from a book called The Late Great Planet
Speaker 3: Earth that was written by hol Lindsay in nineteen seventy one,
Speaker 3: and it's a it's a ridiculous books. It's a hilarious
Speaker 3: book to read now, and to think that he's updated
Speaker 3: it every you know, two years or whatever every time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was just I was just looking on YouTube
Speaker 1: a few minutes ago and if you if you, if
Speaker 1: you google Hal Lindsay, you'll find the Prophecy Report, Hawle
Speaker 1: Lindsay Report or whatever it is. And it's like it's
Speaker 1: still like he's still running this game. He's like still
Speaker 1: making bank on the Prophecy. You would think that it
Speaker 1: would die away and that people would but no, it's like,
Speaker 1: how does Jim Baker come back on and have a
Speaker 1: TV show? How does Jimmy Swagger come back and have
Speaker 1: a TV show? Hole Lindsey still pimping the rapture.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and even some of the.
Speaker 1: I remember.
Speaker 3: I remember I don't know if Howlens has ever been
Speaker 3: on Alex Jones or anything, but I remember Alex Jones
Speaker 3: saying once he had he had Joseph Farrell on one time,
Speaker 3: and I remember he said he would love to get
Speaker 3: how Lindsay on and how great of a book Late
Speaker 3: Great Planet Earth?
Speaker 6: That book well me up as unbelievable, folks. The Rapture
Speaker 6: is coming. The only thing I'm worried about is if
Speaker 6: the Rapture happens, am I gonna be on the can?
Speaker 6: Will I be clothed. What if I'm in the shower.
Speaker 6: I'm sure how as a theologian could answer those difficult questions.
Speaker 3: Folks, What if the rapture comes? What am I gonna
Speaker 3: do with all the Superman vitality? If there's nobody to
Speaker 3: sell it to, I'm just gonna have to eat it myself. Yeah,
Speaker 3: so how Yeah, Hal Lindsey, he writes this book, and
Speaker 3: there's a great article. Everybody can go look it up.
Speaker 3: It was put out by Humanities magazine. It was winner
Speaker 3: of twenty seventeen Excellent Article and it's basically goes over.
Speaker 3: It was coincidental because it was a great article, because
Speaker 3: this is kind of stuff I've been looking at for
Speaker 3: about two years, and I read this article on mom man.
Speaker 3: This is all. This is basically everything I've been looking
Speaker 3: at for two years condensed down in one article here.
Speaker 3: So yeah, Humanity these magazine, you can find that article
Speaker 3: on how Lindsay and the apocalyptic religion.
Speaker 1: And real quick, let me add so for the people
Speaker 1: that are watching that, we've already had some super chats
Speaker 1: come in and if you want to really get some
Speaker 1: questions at the end, the way to get me to
Speaker 1: read the questions is to send a super chat, doesn't
Speaker 1: matter what amount, any amount, and we will read the
Speaker 1: questions and we'll answer them later on when we get
Speaker 1: kind of done with the interview part. But so, so,
Speaker 1: you were talking about how Lindsey you were talking about
Speaker 1: in the interviews that I've heard you do on this
Speaker 1: subject matter, and it's it's it's crucial. I think it's
Speaker 1: vital to understand the Pentagon's influence here and if you
Speaker 1: look at the colts. I don't mean to change the subject,
Speaker 1: but I did want to say this earlier. You've done
Speaker 1: a lot of work when it comes to southern California
Speaker 1: and California being the mecca for alternative religious movements. What
Speaker 1: I'm wondering is, and I think you would probably agree,
Speaker 1: but when you look at the cults like the Jesus People,
Speaker 1: and then out of them comes the Children of God
Speaker 1: with Moses, David Berg and his pedophile, Hollywood connected group
Speaker 1: of you know, the Family of God family stuff, where
Speaker 1: River Phoenix, Rose McGowan come out of this cult, I
Speaker 1: think that it's clear that the Jesus People, which spawns
Speaker 1: kind of this modern third wave of charismaticism, which spawns
Speaker 1: the non denominational movement and then the Emergent Church. Believe
Speaker 1: it or not, this is also roughly the origins of
Speaker 1: what's nowaday called the Emergent Church, which I think is
Speaker 1: a complete total intelligence operation, There's no question about it.
Speaker 1: You look into the people who who were founding figures
Speaker 1: in the Emergent Church, you'll find the same patterns of
Speaker 1: all the cults. It's people who had, you know, high
Speaker 1: level intelligence connections CIA connections. And then, of course when
Speaker 1: we get into more of the geopolitical stuff, we'll also
Speaker 1: see other foreign policy. We'll see kind of a Zionist
Speaker 1: element obviously involved in the pre millennial type stuff. You'll
Speaker 1: see Washington's foreign policy loving the Russia is Gog and
Speaker 1: magog stuff. But what do you think about the Pentagon
Speaker 1: CIA having a direct link to the like the California
Speaker 1: cult movement and the evangelical stuff that came from it.
Speaker 3: You're a little bit more well read on that direct connection. Actually,
Speaker 3: when I brought up the William Engal stuff with Tim
Speaker 3: on the last one, didn't. I didn't talk about that
Speaker 3: with Chris, but that was only because you had told
Speaker 3: me about it.
Speaker 1: But that's cool though, because but but I mean, I
Speaker 1: think you have done a lot about the alternative religious movements,
Speaker 1: and I think that all I'm saying is that the
Speaker 1: reason it might not be surprising is that, you know,
Speaker 1: California is a test bad you You've talked about that
Speaker 1: a lot.
Speaker 3: Absolutely.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean it all comes out of the same area.
Speaker 3: I mean Sunset Boulevard right at the base of Laurel Canyon, Yeah,
Speaker 3: which of course is right where you know, Lookout Mountain
Speaker 3: was where they were faking all the nuke footage. Uh
Speaker 3: that is ground zero for Jesus people and people walking
Speaker 3: around passing out tracks and uh you know all that
Speaker 3: type of all that type stuff. Children of God called
Speaker 3: lots of I mean lots of different religious cults, you know,
Speaker 3: kind of based around Jesus. Necessarily they weren't Christian cults,
Speaker 3: but they were what was the other one? The Love
Speaker 3: cult was another one.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Uh yeah.
Speaker 3: I Alan's son joined them where you know, like everybody.
Speaker 1: And he he took he took acid and saw himself
Speaker 1: as like this yeah new religious figure.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, so uh yeah, there's LSD Jesus cults right,
Speaker 3: so sort the source was another cult around that area
Speaker 3: around that time that kind of you know, it was
Speaker 3: like a guy. He had like like thirteen wives or
Speaker 3: something like that, and they owned a vegetarian restaurant on
Speaker 3: Sunset Boulevard. If you watch the movie Annie Hall, mm hmm,
Speaker 3: there's a scene where Woody On and Diane Keaton or
Speaker 3: eating at the Source restaurant, and that's actually owned by
Speaker 3: a CIA cult.
Speaker 1: Wow, I did not know that. Okay. So another good
Speaker 1: point that somebody mentioned the chat and yes, I was
Speaker 1: actually going to mention the history of the Schofield Bible.
Speaker 1: So the Scorefield Bible goes back to John Nelson Darby,
Speaker 1: and Darby was in the cult Plymouth Brethren. And you
Speaker 1: might recognize another famous figure who grew up in the
Speaker 1: Plymouth Brethren named Alister Crowley. So the Plymouth Brethren are
Speaker 1: very good at spawning other cult leaders. But yes, so
Speaker 1: there was an Anglican. The reason that Oxford Prince the
Speaker 1: Schofield Bible is because there was this British imperial influence
Speaker 1: obviously in the printing of that Bible. Not accidental that
Speaker 1: you have the establishment of Balfour Declaration, the establishment of
Speaker 1: State of Israel. You need a study Bible to convince
Speaker 1: all the idiot evangelicals in America to just blindly accept that. So, yes,
Speaker 1: all that's true. Pearl Off has covered that for a
Speaker 1: long time, and everything that Pearloff says about that's act.
Speaker 1: I learned this by the way back when I was
Speaker 1: in evangelical and I was like, holy crap. One last point.
Speaker 1: I'll let you chime back in John in in Ingdolf's book.
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying I agree with everything in this book,
Speaker 1: but I think that he has made some good connections
Speaker 1: that a lot of other people haven't made. And I
Speaker 1: didn't actually know that Campus Crusade had this connection until
Speaker 1: he and he sources his claims here. It's not just
Speaker 1: him saying it, but he talks about how one of
Speaker 1: the I'm amost read briefly, he says one of the
Speaker 1: most influential as well as well financed organizations is the
Speaker 1: Military Ministry and their affiliate, the Campus Crusade for Christ.
Speaker 1: Military Ministry had an annual budget of five hundred million dollars.
Speaker 1: Five hundred million dollars for Campus Crusade. That's crazy. They
Speaker 1: had a branch branch offices at all of the US
Speaker 1: Army bases as well as all overseas. Bible study programs
Speaker 1: globally uh, and they are a mirror. This is this
Speaker 1: is wild of Fetula Gulin his Quran study groups. So
Speaker 1: the Gulin network that everybody was talking about eight months
Speaker 1: a year ago, all the alt media was talking about
Speaker 1: him Ingdahl is arguing that it's the exact same pattern
Speaker 1: that you see with the evangelical groups. So then he
Speaker 1: goes on to say that this was very important too.
Speaker 1: In Desert Storm, and right after Desert Storm, the peak
Speaker 1: of the Iraqi insurgency, Petraeus Steel, all of these big
Speaker 1: neocon types were openly saying, quote, we must pursue our
Speaker 1: means for transforming the nation through the military. The military
Speaker 1: may be the most influential way to affect the spiritual
Speaker 1: superstructure of America. Thus, the military ministry inside the US
Speaker 1: spread this crusader fanaticism that America is, you know, going
Speaker 1: to war against the jihad, right, it's the Christian evangelicals.
Speaker 1: What was Bush's then, where should go find a jihad
Speaker 1: and find that jah against the mushrooms, Jehattish and the
Speaker 1: mustard gases.
Speaker 3: Crusade? Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's well to get to give
Speaker 3: an empirical example of something backing you up. Is I
Speaker 3: remember there was a conference in California. There's two, there
Speaker 3: was two that I remember, but there was one and
Speaker 3: it was a guy we'll talk about in a minute,
Speaker 3: but is Chuck Smith, Rick Warren, Uh, you know, all
Speaker 3: the California pastors around here. And they were meeting with
Speaker 3: Republican senators. This is this is around two thousand and six,
Speaker 3: somewhere around there. But they were they were meeting with
Speaker 3: with you know, like Mike Huckabee and uh, you know,
Speaker 3: other neo conservative types at that time. And what I
Speaker 3: what I remember reading about it is that it was
Speaker 3: literally like a talking points meeting and like, you know,
Speaker 3: they were gonna they were discussing, you know, the church's
Speaker 3: role in propagating uh you know, military you know, uh,
Speaker 3: you know, foreign.
Speaker 1: Policy exactly exactly right. So, in other words, people think
Speaker 1: we have a separation of church and state, and they
Speaker 1: have no conception of the long time marriage between the
Speaker 1: Deep Day, the Pentagon and all of the biggest evangelical movements,
Speaker 1: especially wem Hoff shows that it's also Catholicism, and I'm
Speaker 1: not denying that there are aspects of Orthodoxy that that
Speaker 1: have been infected with this well as well. Hence the
Speaker 1: battle over Acumenism and Orthodoxy. Acumen as one hundred percent
Speaker 1: the Rockefeller CIA funded thing. But anyway, so yeah, so
Speaker 1: you've got another good example there of a meeting that
Speaker 1: I didn't know about. But I think that that kind
Speaker 1: of stuff is more common than we think.
Speaker 3: Very common. That was a nothing meeting, that was just
Speaker 3: like a whatever. I mean, that stuff goes on all
Speaker 3: the time. The one, the one that I remember the
Speaker 3: most is two thousand and seven. I used to have
Speaker 3: a I used to have a photo of this, but
Speaker 3: I don't anymore. I wish I still did. I've looked
Speaker 3: for it, but it was that the Crystal Cathedral. I
Speaker 3: used to work across the street from the Chrystal Cathedral
Speaker 3: and the Orange.
Speaker 1: Oh this is great. Yeah, see I forgot. I totally
Speaker 1: forgot about Schuler and the Crystal Cathedral. But yeah, man,
Speaker 1: that's another rabbit hole. Tell us about that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And this one was I drive by one day
Speaker 3: and there's a banner out front and it says they're
Speaker 3: having a conference there and speaking There was Brent Scoutcraft,
Speaker 3: Henry Kissinger, and George H. W.
Speaker 1: Bush at the Crystal Cathedral.
Speaker 3: At the Chrystal Cathedral, they were they were giving they
Speaker 3: were speaking. It was a conference and they were having
Speaker 3: pastors from the from southern California.
Speaker 1: Could you imagine Henry Kissinger speaking in tongues like if
Speaker 1: you got Roberts atle bit bit of it would sounds
Speaker 1: like a motor boat, like you know, like a trolling
Speaker 1: motor yah. Just uh yeah, the.
Speaker 3: Yes, I mean like like you're saying, yeah, these conferences
Speaker 3: are going on all the time where these you know
Speaker 3: CEFI members. Rick warrens a Council and Formulations member.
Speaker 1: That's a good point. A lot of people forget that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, even though he's no longer the pastor, he was
Speaker 3: the you know pastor for a long time of Saddleback
Speaker 3: uh Saddleback Church.
Speaker 1: And that's the largest uh non dominational church, isn't it?
Speaker 1: Absolutely yeah Vegas. Yeah.
Speaker 3: And that he hosted the Obama McCain debate at the church.
Speaker 1: Oh I did not know that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, in the church. There was actually one of the
Speaker 3: McCain Obama debates were hosted by Rick Warren in the
Speaker 3: church like it was a church service. Go back and
Speaker 3: find the usually happening. Do you have a count Council
Speaker 3: on Foreign Relations member.
Speaker 1: With two John's uh glad beer Uh? Do my uh
Speaker 1: Barack Obama do my Obama personation. Look what we we
Speaker 1: gotta we we gotta, we gotta change things, we gotta,
Speaker 1: we gotta change things. It's I'm not I'm not a Marxist,
Speaker 1: by the way, in that find Obama is a Marxist
Speaker 1: when he's like funded by all the big banks. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: but anyway, so okay.
Speaker 3: So we've discussed that many times, about that whole scam.
Speaker 1: But yeah, the the the.
Speaker 3: There is a long standing relationship with evangelicals and military
Speaker 3: I'd say, i'd say, you know, since we're just specifically
Speaker 3: talking about this brand, but i'd say most churches, you know,
Speaker 3: more than Joe's Witnesses, they all play into it as well.
Speaker 3: But this this particular it's been going on for a while.
Speaker 3: The other thing that we're you know, to connect this with,
Speaker 3: you know how Lindsey uh Late Great Planet Earth, the
Speaker 3: Coming Apocalypse. The background to all of this is the
Speaker 3: Cold War. Okay, so in the background you have the
Speaker 3: cultural wallpaper of the Cold War that's scaring everybody. Uh
Speaker 3: hal Lindsay's writing in Late Great Planet Earth that the
Speaker 3: apocalypse is gonna come about. You got the Dog and
Speaker 3: the Magogue stuff. So it's Russia. Russia has nukes, America
Speaker 3: has nukes. They're gonna nuke each other. It's gonna be
Speaker 3: the apocalypse. And then Jesus is gonna come back on
Speaker 3: a big new cloud and he's gonna you know, float
Speaker 3: down on the new cloud and save all the you know,
Speaker 3: the one hundred and forty four thousand people who were
Speaker 3: you know, true to what you know, the Jesus people
Speaker 3: basically who got baptized the proper way in at the beach.
Speaker 3: So so yeah, I'm being a bit sarcastic about this,
Speaker 3: but that's literally what what you have playing itself out.
Speaker 1: This is just oh right with me. Jesus is just
Speaker 1: oh right with what's that other one? I'm gone there
Speaker 1: to the scout, to the something in the sky.
Speaker 3: Like huh Greenbaum, Yeah, spirit in the sky, Norman Greenbaum.
Speaker 1: These are like the old version, like like Jars of
Speaker 1: Clay kind of got some radio play, you know, like
Speaker 1: a few years ago, you know, back in the nineties,
Speaker 1: and then so this is like the older version of
Speaker 1: Jars of Clay where these kind of aren't these Jesus
Speaker 1: or is that did Doobie Brothers? I can't remember who
Speaker 1: sings that the Jesus is just the whole right with me.
Speaker 3: Doobie Brothers sing that song popular with it, although they
Speaker 3: were a Christian band because they were called the Doobie Brothers.
Speaker 1: So we've almost got two hundred nerds in here. This
Speaker 1: is crazy. I didn't think. I didn't think we would
Speaker 1: have it this early. I figured it would take a while.
Speaker 1: But okay, so so I'm getting off track here, I
Speaker 1: get crazy. So so we've got the CIA, the Pentagon
Speaker 1: involved in largely even and if people ask why evangelical, well,
Speaker 1: number one, Evangelicalism was a little easier, I would say
Speaker 1: to to mimic because anybody can start at evangelical church.
Speaker 1: It's a little bit more difficult, not impossible, to infiltrate
Speaker 1: older mainline churches like Orthodoxy or Metholicism. It still happens, obviously,
Speaker 1: the CIA, David Wimhoff, CD Jackson. That's all in Wimhoff's book.
Speaker 1: But the thing about evangelicalism is that anybody can start
Speaker 1: one of those, and so you have no idea who
Speaker 1: is starting it unless you know who this guy is
Speaker 1: and his background and so forth, and you have this
Speaker 1: just explosion. I think it's very vital to see that
Speaker 1: this is also at the time of as you said,
Speaker 1: the Cold War and then the sixties Revolution, and most people,
Speaker 1: especially from the Bible mindset, the right wing so called mindset,
Speaker 1: conservative mindset, if you ask them about the sixties and
Speaker 1: that revolution, and even a lot of people in the
Speaker 1: alt media, a lot of alt right people, I'm so
Speaker 1: tired of this dumb argument. They will say the sixties revolution. Oh,
Speaker 1: that's the comedies that started that. No, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: it's the CIA, the military and the Pentagon that were
Speaker 1: behind that, that sixties counter cultural revolution. And by the way,
Speaker 1: you've covered this, I'm citing Stoner Saunders's book, which is again,
Speaker 1: yes it's it's kind of watered down, but it's an
Speaker 1: academic assessment of the cultural wallpaper, as you termed it,
Speaker 1: of the Cold War and how this was the CIA.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that there weren't bad Marxists. I hate
Speaker 1: the Frankfurt School, I hate those Marxist guys, but they
Speaker 1: don't have they They were brought here by the OSS
Speaker 1: and the CIA to alter the culture. They didn't have
Speaker 1: the power and the means and ability to change the
Speaker 1: whole world through the through the principles of Charles of
Speaker 1: Karl Marx. So I'll shut up here after I say this.
Speaker 1: This is what I said on Twitter today when people
Speaker 1: were arguing this. You have to understand what hgu Wells
Speaker 1: and what bertrand Russell say and the way HG. Wells
Speaker 1: frames it. He says, Look, you idiot Marxists. He says,
Speaker 1: global capitalism is what will bring the global Marxist technocracy.
Speaker 1: That's how that's how Wells phrases it. He says too,
Speaker 1: He says, you idiot communists, what other means and engine
Speaker 1: do you think will bring universal monoculture aside from global
Speaker 1: mono capitalism? Yes, I mean the.
Speaker 3: If you're a cap let me just say this prior
Speaker 3: to making this statement. If you're a capitalist, you're you're
Speaker 3: fooling yourself. If you're a communist, you're fooling yourself.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: The capitalism that funded school and funds schools into existence
Speaker 3: and employees communist academics to teach the capitalist children. Think
Speaker 3: about that one for a second.
Speaker 1: Somebody said something really funny. I can't do you remember
Speaker 1: when one of the evangelical pastors who was like an
Speaker 1: advisor to Bush, when he got busted with like a
Speaker 1: male prostitute and Crystal Meth. Do you remember him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's one of the big Yeah, it.
Speaker 3: Was Ted Uh what's his face? Out of Colorado?
Speaker 7: Yes, somebody somebody said called it Crystal Methodism. Crystal Methodist,
Speaker 7: Crystal Methodist, mm hmm. Yeah, that's a good church. Actually,
Speaker 7: that sounds like a New Age church.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I was springing out of Sedona or something, right.
Speaker 3: Worshiping Crystal. Yeah, so you have, yes, of course. I
Speaker 3: mean capitalism, communism, that goes hand in hand. It's it's banker.
Speaker 3: It's just banker Marxism.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean to someone like you, you're myself, uh, you know, whether.
Speaker 1: You're in hey, hey John, John, people are asking you
Speaker 1: could talk a little louder to the mic. Okay, Ted Haggard,
Speaker 1: thank you.
Speaker 3: That was it? Yeah, Ted Haggard. Yeah does that sound better? Yeah, okay,
Speaker 3: the Yeah. To someone like you or myself who studied
Speaker 3: this stuff, yes, Marxism equals bank banks, that's it. To
Speaker 3: somebody who hasn't studied it, who thinks there's some sort
Speaker 3: of divide between it at the top, there's not. You know,
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't I don't know what to tell
Speaker 3: you at this point, how could you have capitalism funding academia.
Speaker 3: That's Marxist teaching capitalists kids, you see. And and if
Speaker 3: you think that you could just you know, somehow, somehow
Speaker 3: the country got infiltrated by Marxist with nobody knowing about it. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's absolutely ridiculous.
Speaker 1: It was.
Speaker 3: It was an intelligence front. Like you said, Francis son
Speaker 3: Er Saunder's book, I think she's some sort of intelligence
Speaker 3: operative herself, but she definitely it's a whitewash, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: and it's a it's a great source even though it
Speaker 3: is a whitewash. And and yeah, it's yeah, the cultural
Speaker 3: Cold War, it was abstract art, not even really abstract.
Speaker 3: It's just nihilistic art, profession of nihilism to provide a
Speaker 3: source of apathy for the modern American. Once you get
Speaker 3: into then this is another thing too, is this type
Speaker 3: of church with you know, this change in the church
Speaker 3: was really another thing was brought about was to break
Speaker 3: up the old traditional methods on purpose.
Speaker 1: I think, so.
Speaker 3: The old traditional style of going to church, because the
Speaker 3: old traditional style of church kind of revolved around community
Speaker 3: and family. And with the new kind of way of
Speaker 3: going to church with the youth it's all it's all
Speaker 3: kind of youth oriented.
Speaker 1: So it's not really Oh, I see what you're saying.
Speaker 1: I see you're saying so, and this is kind of
Speaker 1: like it mirrors how in the culture, which you've talked
Speaker 1: about and I think Alan Watt has talked about this
Speaker 1: too and a lot of his podcasts, is that you
Speaker 1: have in the culture the interjection of the idea that
Speaker 1: there are these different generations, right that so that the
Speaker 1: the young that where the you know, beat generation, where
Speaker 1: the young we don't listen to the old fogy generation.
Speaker 1: And it wasn't viewed that way. You know, one hundred
Speaker 1: years prior, everybody was in the same schoolhouse. You know,
Speaker 1: you would have the older kids in the same schoolhouse
Speaker 1: with the younger kids, you know, in eighteen ninety or whatever.
Speaker 1: But as you get into the twentieth century, you have
Speaker 1: a lot of this social experimentation with the idea of
Speaker 1: creating Generation X, the boomer you know that, and this
Speaker 1: splits up the groups. And I think you're saying that
Speaker 1: the church mirrors the stupid culture which was designed.
Speaker 3: Yes, absolutely, if you're going to a church that's just
Speaker 3: full of young people, that's not including mom, dad, grandfathers
Speaker 3: all that. It's just you know, you and your peers.
Speaker 3: You're creating a new culture of that that's kind of
Speaker 3: that's youth oriented. It's breaking up the old traditional style,
Speaker 3: which was more based around community. Here's the thing about megachurches.
Speaker 3: Though megachurches aren't community based, mega churches are everybody comes
Speaker 3: from miles and miles around. And Chris and I kind
Speaker 3: of touched on this. You get lost in the crowd
Speaker 3: at the big megachurch. You don't know your pastor, you know,
Speaker 3: per se because your pastor's got three four hundred other
Speaker 3: people he's got to deal with. There's no personal relationships,
Speaker 3: there's no personal accountability. Back in the old days, there
Speaker 3: was a Methodist church in the town I just moved from.
Speaker 3: In southern California and Pomona Claremont area, there's the remnants
Speaker 3: of churches basically on every street corner because churches were
Speaker 3: neighborhood things, right, and so there was a Methodist church,
Speaker 3: and then three miles away from that there's another Methodist
Speaker 3: church because it was a neighborhood Methodist church. And then
Speaker 3: three miles away there's another entirely different neighborhood. You see
Speaker 3: in that neighborhood went to that Methodist church and this
Speaker 3: neighborhood went to this Methodist church because it was people
Speaker 3: from a close knit, small community. When you go to
Speaker 3: the megachurch, lost in the crowd, it's like going to
Speaker 3: a rock concert, which, interestingly enough, when you know the
Speaker 3: first one of the first megachurches, Calvery Chapel and the
Speaker 3: coast of Mesa. One of the things that attracted the
Speaker 3: people was the Jesus People rock music and they specifically
Speaker 3: starting with a band called a Love Song. That was
Speaker 3: the name of the group, Love Song. They were performing
Speaker 3: live weekly at the Calvary Chapel there and and getting
Speaker 3: people to come in there with the rock music and
Speaker 3: you know, not once again doing away with the old
Speaker 3: traditional hymns and all that type of stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's so bad that actually there are Novasorto
Speaker 1: Catholic churches and I think Germany that have raves. Did
Speaker 1: you know that.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't.
Speaker 1: How do we appeal, how do we appeal to the youth?
Speaker 1: Have a damn rave? Bring DJ Tiesto and DJ Kioki
Speaker 1: and let's have a rave and we'll get the kids,
Speaker 1: uh to come to the night. Novasorto Church and then
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, I was gonna sayn't really dirty,
Speaker 1: but I'll listen.
Speaker 3: I would I wouldn't be surprised considering, you know, the
Speaker 3: the four or five years that I lived out there
Speaker 3: in Pomona Claremont area of California, my wife and I
Speaker 3: we try to just you know, find a church basically just.
Speaker 1: And I would go.
Speaker 3: I would go with her to try, you know, to
Speaker 3: just check it out. I was always interested in that
Speaker 3: aspect of it. And uh so we'd go to a
Speaker 3: Catholic Catholic churches, and the the amount of Charismatic Catholic
Speaker 3: churches exceeds the amount of regular Catholic churches, which you know, yeah,
Speaker 3: this is a very bizarre thing that we'll finish this
Speaker 3: real quick because I'm not Catholic. I never I never
Speaker 3: really went to Catholic church till I met my wife,
Speaker 3: and we were blown away with you go into a
Speaker 3: Catholic church and it's basically like going into an evangelical church.
Speaker 3: And we didn't even really know that existed because my
Speaker 3: wife never went to a church like that.
Speaker 1: And then we're like, what is this.
Speaker 3: There's like it's like rock music and you know, the
Speaker 3: services is not like a Catholic service. I mean, they
Speaker 3: take communion and they you know, do the little Catholic
Speaker 3: prayers that the Catholics do or whatever, but the rest
Speaker 3: of it is totally formatted like a like you're at.
Speaker 1: You know, the vineyard exactly. Yeah. So yeah, well that's yeah,
Speaker 1: Fruits of Vatican two there as most traditional Catholics will
Speaker 1: will bitch about. But so let's bring it back to
Speaker 1: to the end times and to prophecy. And so so
Speaker 1: we've got the Cold War, we've got the cults, we've
Speaker 1: got the CIA, the Pentagon putting money into these different
Speaker 1: evangelical groups, and let's not forget I know you know this, John,
Speaker 1: and feel free to comment any input you have on it.
Speaker 1: But we might have a lot of listeners and watchers
Speaker 1: who don't know that a classic front for intelligence is
Speaker 1: being a missionary. So missionaries and foreign lands. This is
Speaker 1: old school CIA fronts. Intelligence agencies using this as a front,
Speaker 1: USA red Cross, these are classic CIA front So don't
Speaker 1: believe the stories that you see. Now. I'm not saying
Speaker 1: every missionary is a CIA agent. That's not true, but
Speaker 1: I'm saying it can easily be a front that's used
Speaker 1: for that kind of stuff, and it has many times
Speaker 1: over there's plenty of books and documentation on that, but
Speaker 1: we have to also include that puzzle piece because that's
Speaker 1: a big part of understanding the Washington's foreign policy and
Speaker 1: how it likes to spread, especially Protestant Christianity as well
Speaker 1: as wim Hoff shows from Catholicism because it's it was
Speaker 1: part of that world Cold War dialectic, because how do
Speaker 1: you the Soviets, Well, you have a damn Baptist church
Speaker 1: in your in your city.
Speaker 3: That's how well you know, I mean, you can take
Speaker 3: it back even further if you wanted to just found
Speaker 3: established foundation that you know, the Jesuits were always good
Speaker 3: at paving the way for commerce.
Speaker 1: That's a good point.
Speaker 3: So you know, they go into a country. Let's just
Speaker 3: say one thing I would be a quasi expert on
Speaker 3: is California. California is founded by Jesuits, hm. And they
Speaker 3: basically paved the way for opening up of the of
Speaker 3: the West and the railroads and all that type of
Speaker 3: stuff by you know, helping to uh civilize the Indians
Speaker 3: out there, so you know, so on and so forth.
Speaker 3: Commerce usually follows were uh, you know, not only you know,
Speaker 3: Catholicism earlier time periods, but then in later time periods
Speaker 3: like now, you know, evangelicism is kind of the you know,
Speaker 3: this is easy to discuss with someone like yourself. Evangelicism
Speaker 3: is the perfect postmodern Christianity. So it can it can
Speaker 3: yea even to any area adapt itself pretty easily.
Speaker 1: That's a great point.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so it paves the way for commerce, and then
Speaker 3: it paves the way for the rest of the culture,
Speaker 3: which you know, a lot of Christians don't actually you know,
Speaker 3: they wouldn't actually think themselves to be quote, to use
Speaker 3: a phraseology that Christians like to use, to be of
Speaker 3: this world. But but yet they're they're really, they really
Speaker 3: are part of the culture. You know, they really do
Speaker 3: accept a lot of the stuff that like someone like
Speaker 3: myself wouldn't you know, I wouldn't involve I wouldn't let
Speaker 3: my kids watch television or you know that type of stuff.
Speaker 3: But but you know, a lot of Christians the type
Speaker 3: of culture that gets proliferated into the well here's a
Speaker 3: perfect example.
Speaker 1: They have.
Speaker 3: Muslim evangelist.
Speaker 1: Now, they have Muslim evangelists. You said, you cut out there,
Speaker 1: say that again.
Speaker 3: They have televangelist Muslims.
Speaker 1: Now I have heard this, I haven't seen it, but this, also,
Speaker 1: by the way, is something Ingdahl mentions in his book
Speaker 1: that the success of Billy Graham was so beyond the
Speaker 1: expectations of what the CIA had in mind that they realized,
Speaker 1: all we've got to do is find the Billy Graham
Speaker 1: for the Muslim world. So that's what they were trying
Speaker 1: to do with a lot of these different characters. The
Speaker 1: Goulin guy is probably some kind of but he's not,
Speaker 1: I don't guess, a very dynamic speaker. I don't know,
Speaker 1: but there's other kinds of people that they tried to interview.
Speaker 1: Miles Copeland and his book actually says the same thing.
Speaker 1: He says that they hoped Nasser Gamal abdel Nasser would
Speaker 1: be a an Islamic Billy Graham. So so I'm not
Speaker 1: surprised that we're starting to see this now because I
Speaker 1: think that that does fit into the plan dialectic that
Speaker 1: they want to kind of Islamicize the West, not because
Speaker 1: they like Islam, but I see it as a long
Speaker 1: term business plan. The globalist I'm.
Speaker 3: Saying, yeah, yeah, And you know, an another thing I
Speaker 3: brought up on the call with Tim and Chris, was that.
Speaker 5: In the.
Speaker 3: In Nicaragua during the Samosa Sandonista period, there was a
Speaker 3: guy who is like one of the leaders of the
Speaker 3: campus Crusades in Nicaragua and the San deniss caught him
Speaker 3: or something because he was carrying large sums of undeclared money.
Speaker 1: They were you know, was it hidden under Gideon Bibles?
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was. And basically with this article that I
Speaker 3: was reading in it was a cover action bulletin.
Speaker 1: It was like a.
Speaker 3: Liberal type magazine from the It was basically saying that,
Speaker 3: you know, these Sandinistas had uncovered that the campus Crusades
Speaker 3: was the CIA front funneling money in too, you know,
Speaker 3: do that even though I would say that the Sandinistas
Speaker 3: themselves are a CIA front. So it was, you know,
Speaker 3: more dialectic type stuff. But what you have this is
Speaker 3: another thing that you have kind of popping up in
Speaker 3: the seventies and eighties as time progresses, and that the
Speaker 3: former Jesus people or whoever you know, people being sucked
Speaker 3: into this new type of evangelicism. Is this idea of
Speaker 3: that Christianity is going to fight communism.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. Okay.
Speaker 3: So it's not only that we have to be scared
Speaker 3: of the Cold War, and we have to be scared
Speaker 3: of the nuclear apocalypse. But it's also pitying Christianity against
Speaker 3: Communism directly because Communism is Satanism Christian and Christian and
Speaker 3: America is Christian. So Jesus equals America city on a
Speaker 3: hill and Russia equals Satan, right and that, and so
Speaker 3: you know. And then as we move down through the
Speaker 3: time period and you get to be guys like me
Speaker 3: and you, then you see this all played out in
Speaker 3: the plot.
Speaker 1: To Rocky four, and and in w W F w
Speaker 1: W remember Ivan and and Hoko against mixed what's his name?
Speaker 1: I there's a.
Speaker 3: Boris Sukov.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Nikolai Volkov, Nikolai Volkov. And then yeah, and he's
Speaker 1: wrestling hul Kogan.
Speaker 3: Interestingly enough, when the Berlin Wall fell, Nikolai Volkov, if
Speaker 3: you remember, he turned on Boris Sukov and he he
Speaker 3: joined America and he went rogue against against the evil Comy.
Speaker 1: Let me say this is another point I want to
Speaker 1: make here. Yes, everybody, I've probably had twenty people in
Speaker 1: the last few months send me the Yuri Besmanov lecture. Now, yes,
Speaker 1: I have seen the Uri Besmanov lecture. It's been online
Speaker 1: going around for at least a decade or more. I'm
Speaker 1: not saying that the points that Yuri Besmanov makes are false.
Speaker 1: So yes, there are like the frank for School guys
Speaker 1: who would try to argue that if we can degrade
Speaker 1: the culture and make them relatives and so forth. But again,
Speaker 1: the real story of the Frankfurt School guys is that
Speaker 1: they were propped up by the CIA, And so even
Speaker 1: the alt right people who get mad and bitch about
Speaker 1: the Frankfurt School people, they don't talk about the OSS
Speaker 1: and the CIA being who gave them the money to
Speaker 1: do what they were doing there. Who who do you
Speaker 1: think brought the Eastern Bloc people over? It was the
Speaker 1: O S. S c A. The Ur Bezonoff. One last point, John,
Speaker 1: one last point. The reason I bring up the URI
Speaker 1: talk and this is something that Mark Hackard has. Disagree
Speaker 1: or agree with Mark Hackard or not, but he has
Speaker 1: some really good articles that he translated about defectors. And
Speaker 1: the important thing about defectors is that to whatever degree
Speaker 1: it's real or fake or stage, we don't even know
Speaker 1: the real story of these people. It could just be
Speaker 1: made up. Let's say that that Yury Besmanov truly defected
Speaker 1: or whatever. If even if that's true, whatever comes out
Speaker 1: of Uri Besmanov is gonna be what the c i
Speaker 1: A Wants out. So defectors are great disinformation agents. They're
Speaker 1: great ways to prop up grandiose tales of of the
Speaker 1: Marxist Cold War takeover.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 1: And I think that that that's crucial to understand that
Speaker 1: and and a lot of these you know, anti Marxists
Speaker 1: and these people that are online. I'm not a Marxist
Speaker 1: by the way, so don't even try to make that argument.
Speaker 1: But but that, but you can't trust defectors is what
Speaker 1: I'm trying to say. It's it just fits into the
Speaker 1: propaganda machine.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the Uri bezman Off stuff never never ring true.
Speaker 1: To me, just because could you speak up a little bit, John,
Speaker 1: People are saying they're having a hard time here.
Speaker 3: I said it never, it never. It never rang true
Speaker 3: to me because it was He's basically saying all the
Speaker 3: things that the you know, the culture in America was
Speaker 3: pushing on its own people. So why would you why
Speaker 3: would you need the Russians to do that?
Speaker 1: Exactly? This is what's so crucial that Yeah, well stated day,
Speaker 1: I rambled there for like ten minutes trying to say
Speaker 1: what John said in like twenty seconds.
Speaker 8: Yeah, so I'm not Another one is Anatotly golitz was
Speaker 8: about to say the fall the Wall and Anatoly Glitzen. Hey,
Speaker 8: maybe Anatoly Glitzen knows about the fall of the Wall
Speaker 8: ahead of time because the CIA is who told him,
Speaker 8: not because he knew about the Sino Soviet split secrets
Speaker 8: or whatever.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's and you know, basically to a certain extent
Speaker 3: at the at the top, I don't think there's any
Speaker 3: difference between Cold War KGB and Cold War CIA. So
Speaker 3: they're both working for the you know, same pay masters
Speaker 3: and and uh this, but but see those type of things,
Speaker 3: whether it's you know, KGB or CIA, whatever it is,
Speaker 3: they were crucial to the time period because it, you know,
Speaker 3: it fueled the this, you know, the scary culture. You know,
Speaker 3: a great you know, a great television show. I don't
Speaker 3: really watch a lot of TV, but a really interesting
Speaker 3: show to kind of show what kind of psychology was
Speaker 3: being used on people at the time, is the Americans
Speaker 3: exactly exactly?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you know, And the c i A. The
Speaker 1: c i A approves those scripts by the way.
Speaker 3: So sure, absolutely, but but yeah, it's it's interesting to
Speaker 3: go back and kind of look at some of those things.
Speaker 1: I want to say real quick in the chat, we're
Speaker 1: not here to debate nukes. So the reason that some
Speaker 1: of these people are being if you spam in here,
Speaker 1: I have this spam filter turned on and it will
Speaker 1: block the people that spam. So we're here to talk
Speaker 1: about the end times. It's not a debate on nuke's.
Speaker 1: So anyway, sorry, John, GoAhead, you go ahead.
Speaker 3: There's a helicopter lending.
Speaker 1: Okay, So if I think about the maybe let's talk
Speaker 1: a little bit about some of the biblical type end
Speaker 1: time stuff. So being raised in a Protestant Evangelical church
Speaker 1: and then starting to read the Bible when I was
Speaker 1: seventeen eighteen, really getting into it. Of course, everybody finds
Speaker 1: the Book of Revelations fascinating. So you go and you
Speaker 1: read about the angels and the bold judgments and the
Speaker 1: sealed judgments, and it all sounds very, very wild, right,
Speaker 1: And if you're a Protestant Evangelical, then you know that
Speaker 1: you already kind of have just this assumption that this
Speaker 1: is all about some sort of sequence of events at
Speaker 1: the end of the world. Now, I never had that
Speaker 1: that view challenged. I never questioned it until I spent
Speaker 1: a lot of time in theology and did do a
Speaker 1: period of seminary work and really got into comparative religion
Speaker 1: and all this kind of stuff. And as everybody knows,
Speaker 1: I'm not a textual liberal. So this is not coming
Speaker 1: from Evan at this point of trying to, from my
Speaker 1: view say that the Bible doesn't have any divine inspiration
Speaker 1: or veracity or anything like that. But it's very simple
Speaker 1: actually to kind of show that even and this is
Speaker 1: I would say, even if you don't believe the Bible,
Speaker 1: I think it's still demonstrably true that these verses most
Speaker 1: of the time are referring to events contemporary with the Apostles.
Speaker 1: So I'm just going to run through this really quick.
Speaker 1: The easiest way to understand this is to read Luke
Speaker 1: twenty one, and that's because Jesus says very clearly in
Speaker 1: verse twenty two that all of he says, these are
Speaker 1: the days of vengeance, in which all things written in
Speaker 1: the prophets must be fulfilled. And if you read the
Speaker 1: entire chapter, he's talking about that generation, the Jews and
Speaker 1: the people that are right there in front of him
Speaker 1: and his apostles and disciples. And that's why he says
Speaker 1: very clearly, he says, you will see Jerusalem surrounded by
Speaker 1: enemies right know then that its desolation is near. Now,
Speaker 1: whether you believe it's inspired, I believe it's inspired. But
Speaker 1: whether you do or not, about forty years later that happened.
Speaker 1: So that I think is so obvious and so clear.
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying that there's nothing mysterious about the
Speaker 1: Book of Revelation or whatever. But if you look at
Speaker 1: the pattern of the Book of Revelation, the way it's structured,
Speaker 1: with its judgments and what it talks about, it matches
Speaker 1: the pattern of Matthew twenty four, which is Luke twenty one, right.
Speaker 1: This is the all of that discourse in both of
Speaker 1: those gospels. So I think it's very clear that the
Speaker 1: Book of Revelation ecalypse is talking about the same stuff
Speaker 1: that Jesus is talking about in that famous discourse. Therefore,
Speaker 1: the easiest way to approach, the clearest, I think simplest
Speaker 1: way to approach these texts, whether you believe they're in
Speaker 1: spite or not, is to understand the historical context and
Speaker 1: the historical context does have to do with apocalypticism of
Speaker 1: that time period. I'm not saying, by the way that
Speaker 1: that there's nothing future fulfillment for us as Orthodox or
Speaker 1: for Roman Catholics. Uh, there are the last things. There is,
Speaker 1: you know, some events of the last times, like the
Speaker 1: final judgment, the resurrection of the body, these kinds of things.
Speaker 1: But we don't have this elaborate scheme that's all kind
Speaker 1: of drawn up, like don't nigy, here's my Bible prophecy church,
Speaker 1: the blood moons will cover Israel.
Speaker 4: The blood.
Speaker 1: I was trying to think of the blood moon paj
Speaker 1: When I eat the blood moon piles, you'll know the
Speaker 1: end is near. That is literally how dumb John Hagy
Speaker 1: shit is. But anyway, so we don't have charts, we
Speaker 1: don't have these like elaborate schemes because we don't know
Speaker 1: that it's not told to us. So when we get
Speaker 1: towards the end, I'll give if I get this question
Speaker 1: a lot. I've not yet got to a point where
Speaker 1: I have the time to really, from my perspective, write
Speaker 1: an article. I do have an old article about the
Speaker 1: Temple and Josephus that people could read if they want
Speaker 1: Matthew twenty four and Josephus compared, and you can find
Speaker 1: that in the archives. But also I'll list a couple
Speaker 1: of short books that people could read if they want
Speaker 1: to go down that route, because I do get a
Speaker 1: lot of messages about what do you think about the
Speaker 1: end times? What do you think about this? What do
Speaker 1: you think of that? And I will say too that
Speaker 1: again the Orthodox Study Bible notes they get it perfectly right.
Speaker 1: It's the first time there's ever been a study Bible
Speaker 1: that actually understands that these texts are talking about seventy eight.
Speaker 1: Now there are aspects that do refer to future realities.
Speaker 1: But if you read my Daniel article, if you look
Speaker 1: at what the Order Dark Study Bible says and the
Speaker 1: Daniel notes, if you look at Daniel, it's talking about
Speaker 1: the same thing Jesus is talking about, and it's talking
Speaker 1: about what happened in the first century, and it removes
Speaker 1: a lot of this nonsense, which is a perfect tool
Speaker 1: for the State, for the Pentagon, for the CIA, for
Speaker 1: social engineers to concoct nonsense to fool a bunch of dummies.
Speaker 1: And they do the same thing with Muslims. Evangelicals are
Speaker 1: used the exact same way Muslims are. John your comments, Yes,
Speaker 1: we're up to two thirty. We're up to two thirty.
Speaker 1: Let's see if we can. We're doing good, so go John.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well you're thinking of the Bible verses and all that.
Speaker 3: Like I said, I'm not an organized religion person.
Speaker 1: That's cool, but I mean, you know, give your perspective
Speaker 1: on on the times and you being being manipulated through
Speaker 1: the fear.
Speaker 3: Sure well, I mean an interesting thing, just a note
Speaker 3: about apocalypse. Calypso kept Odessus on an island, detained, and
Speaker 3: Calypso means to cover, So she's the goddess who keeps
Speaker 3: you know, Odessas on the island, detaining him on an island.
Speaker 3: It's interesting that the story of John the relater is
Speaker 3: on an island being detained and he's talking about the
Speaker 3: a apocalypse, the callipse, the uncovering, so interesting correlation. There.
Speaker 1: Are you doing a little bit of jord and Maxwell
Speaker 1: for us? John?
Speaker 3: That's that's that's all John Adams research.
Speaker 4: They're not, of course, if you understand the The Apocalypse
Speaker 4: is clearly discussing the two doc tiles coming down through
Speaker 4: the hell portal gates into my backyard to initiate the
Speaker 4: end of times as the least.
Speaker 3: The real Bible is the Yeah, you have to go
Speaker 3: to the Geneva Bible. Jay, that's the thing, Theva, that's
Speaker 3: the Geneva. No, yeah, so uh but yeah, I think
Speaker 3: with with a with a you know, the story of
Speaker 3: the revelations and the and it can it can always
Speaker 3: be used no matter what time period it was. It
Speaker 3: was you know, used in the Civil War, it was
Speaker 3: used in World War One.
Speaker 1: That's a good point.
Speaker 3: Uh, Hitler was the beast.
Speaker 1: You know, there were even in the eighties they were
Speaker 1: saying Reagan was the beast, Obama was the When I
Speaker 1: was a kid, Uh, barcodes that was that was barcodes
Speaker 1: on all products or the market.
Speaker 3: The beast symbols are you know. I used to have
Speaker 3: a I actually used to have a Christian book that
Speaker 3: had like little cartoon drawings and of of you know,
Speaker 3: like people getting barcodes put on their heads, and that
Speaker 3: you were going to walk around with a UPC symbol
Speaker 3: barcode on your tattooed on your forehead.
Speaker 1: I've seen like inmates that literally have UPC, so like
Speaker 1: people do that.
Speaker 3: I remember that in the nineties too, when people will
Speaker 3: get barcodes tattooed on them to.
Speaker 1: Show that that's right. It was the thing in the nineties.
Speaker 3: Yeah, anti Christ so you know, which, I'm not an
Speaker 3: atheist by any means of the word, but yeah, people
Speaker 3: definitely go to the extreme to show how much they
Speaker 3: despise religion, which I do not despise religion or religious beliefs.
Speaker 3: But the thing of it is is is the the
Speaker 3: evangelical culture primarily is based around.
Speaker 1: A rapture.
Speaker 3: Now there there has been many people who have predicted raptures,
Speaker 3: including Chuck Smith. He predicted that the rapture was going
Speaker 3: to happen in New Year's Day nineteen eighty one, and
Speaker 3: then noting.
Speaker 1: How Lindsey had an eighty eight nineteen eighty eight prediction.
Speaker 3: Yep, so they've all had these predictions, and so they've
Speaker 3: had to go back and rewrite the idea of it, saying,
Speaker 3: you know, so before it was going to be a
Speaker 3: pre apocalypse rapture, and then later it was going to
Speaker 3: be a post to put you know, oh, well, we're
Speaker 3: going to have to live through the tribulation because people
Speaker 3: are starting to see, you know, the signs of the
Speaker 3: of the New World Order, whatever you know people want
Speaker 3: to call it, and they're realizing they're going to have
Speaker 3: to actually live through some of these things that they
Speaker 3: believe are going to correlate with the Book of Revelation.
Speaker 3: So they've come to the conclusion that they will actually
Speaker 3: have to live through the tribulation to make it through
Speaker 3: to the rapture.
Speaker 1: But during the.
Speaker 3: Nineteen sixties and seventies, everybody was pretty convinced that the
Speaker 3: rapture was going to happen. And interestingly enough, there was movies.
Speaker 1: Made, yes good point that went along with this.
Speaker 3: And showed people and it was actually prove in fact,
Speaker 3: there was a movie made of the late Great planet
Speaker 3: Earth that was narrated by Orson Wells.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, I didn't know that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you could look that up on YouTube. It's awesome.
Speaker 3: I mean that, it's like awesomely bad, right, Yeah, it's
Speaker 3: awesomely it's good bad. Another good bad one is A
Speaker 3: Thief in the Night and you can watch that for
Speaker 3: free on YouTube too, And that's that's the one that
Speaker 3: scared the crap out of me as a kid watching that.
Speaker 3: There's people getting guilatined, there's you know, the rapture comes
Speaker 3: and people are disappearing in their cars on the freeway
Speaker 3: in traffic, set a standstill because people have you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what, you know what I just watched
Speaker 1: a couple of nights ago, and this probably fits into that.
Speaker 1: Is this like the seventies? Yeah, okay, The Omen, which
Speaker 1: I put on the show banner. That's seventies, and I
Speaker 1: forgot that. There's this really funny part. Anytime Hollywood tries
Speaker 1: to do apocalypse and time stuff, they make up Bible
Speaker 1: quotes every time in a movie. It's it's in tons
Speaker 1: of them, it's in end of Days, it's in uh
Speaker 1: the job, yes, seventh Sign with Demi Moore.
Speaker 2: The anyway, So I'm watching The Omen and Gregor Gregory
Speaker 2: Peck starts Gregory Peck gives birth to the anti Christ,
Speaker 2: and he starts reading Bible verses.
Speaker 1: And he makes up this Bible verse this doesn't exist,
Speaker 1: and it's like, Andre show.
Speaker 2: Your night the entire European continent, and this shall be
Speaker 2: a comet that crosses the sky.
Speaker 1: That's literally what it says. That I'm sitting here thinking
Speaker 1: that is the that was like, did none of them
Speaker 1: read the Bible at all?
Speaker 3: No? I think he was actually reading out of the
Speaker 3: Late Great Planet Earth. Oh, I bet he was, you know, yeah,
Speaker 3: you know, if the Late Great Planet Earth is is
Speaker 3: is a great movie because if you read the book
Speaker 3: and you're cracking up at the fact that he's literally
Speaker 3: going through scriptures and he's saying that when you know,
Speaker 3: easy feels talking about the armies. And then hel Lindsay
Speaker 3: goes down to the bottom after the after he quotes
Speaker 3: the scripture from Ezekiel. He said, obviously, you know, he says,
Speaker 3: he says, obviously the scripture is referring to the Russians
Speaker 3: and their nuclear capability. This is and he's literally saying
Speaker 3: in there that Ezekiel, you know, Ezekiel and Daniel are
Speaker 3: talking about, you know, Russians having nukes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and it's uh. I remember a video back
Speaker 1: when I was an evangelical where hal Lindsay said that
Speaker 1: he was still doing the Russia thing, and he was
Speaker 1: saying that when when John in the Apocalypse talks about
Speaker 1: the plagues, and this is when Russia lets loose the nukes,
Speaker 1: and then when when it talks about the scorpions, which
Speaker 1: in the text are demonic spirits, John seeing the spiritual
Speaker 1: realm uh al Lindsay says those are black Hawks because
Speaker 1: they have metal bodies and they he says they're black Hawk.
Speaker 1: He copters, Yeah.
Speaker 3: I think what he was actually referring to was when
Speaker 3: when he was talking about Scorpions, is the band the
Speaker 3: Scorpions when they made that song the winds have change
Speaker 3: when the Berlin Wall fell.
Speaker 1: Okay, well yeah, the wall falling and letting.
Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, that would be an action of Satan the delute, Yeah,
Speaker 9: the delusion, the delusion of Antoti Gallitzen right in the.
Speaker 1: The comedies are tricking us by the wall falling. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so the you know, we're getting out towards two fifty.
Speaker 1: That's pretty good live.
Speaker 3: Yeah, cool, awesome, Hello everybody, thank you for tuning in.
Speaker 3: I appreciate it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we just jumped up to two forty. So, uh,
Speaker 1: if you're if you're new, if you just clicked into
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Speaker 1: We're talking to John Adams of Hoaxbuster's call you. If
Speaker 1: you followed us at all, if you're familiar with then
Speaker 1: I'm sure you've heard us talking together. We've been podcasting
Speaker 1: and interviewing for the last couple of years, and this
Speaker 1: discussion We've gotten into some of the historical characters who
Speaker 1: played a vital role in End Times manipulation, in the
Speaker 1: American deureacracy, the Pentagon, the CIA, these different entities utilizing
Speaker 1: evangelical groups. John, you went through some of the key
Speaker 1: figures like Bill Bright and we talked about the neo
Speaker 1: cons and Ronsfeldt. Do you have any more figures that
Speaker 1: kind of has come to the four like, not necessarily
Speaker 1: how Lendsby, but anybody in that vein that you think
Speaker 1: has a clear connection to to being not what they appear. Sure.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, Paul Kaine, okay, tell us about him.
Speaker 1: I'm not familiar. Who's Paul Kane.
Speaker 3: Paul Kin You could look him up on your Wikipedia
Speaker 3: right now. And he was an he was a minister,
Speaker 3: but he was also interestingly enough, he worked for the CIA.
Speaker 3: Oh okay, in the paranormal division of the CIA.
Speaker 1: So side spies and Stanford research type stuff.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's I cannot find any other information except for
Speaker 3: that currently on mister Kane. But here's the interesting thing
Speaker 3: about Paul Cain working for the CIA in the paranormal division.
Speaker 3: He had a protege, and his protege is a man
Speaker 3: by the name of Charles Smith, who goes by Chuck
Speaker 3: Chuck Smith. Chuck Smith went to start one of the
Speaker 3: biggest megachurches to basically begin, and that would be.
Speaker 1: Helpel Calvary Chapel. Yeah you cut out there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Calvary Chapel Ministries. That's Chuck Smith's ministry. He started
Speaker 3: in Coasta Mesa, California in nineteen sixty eight, somewhere around there.
Speaker 1: I think Dave touches on this and weird scenes inside
Speaker 1: the Canyon a little bit. I don't recall that, but yeah,
Speaker 1: there's the brief mention of Calvary Chapel. And not because
Speaker 1: one of the maybe not Chuck Smith, but one of
Speaker 1: the Laurel Canyon people was instrumental in the early phases
Speaker 1: of the rise of Calvary Chapel. I can find it.
Speaker 1: Go ahead.
Speaker 3: I'm trying to think who it was. But in any case,
Speaker 3: so Chuck Smith. You know, Chuck Smith has an interesting
Speaker 3: history of himself because he he used to teach at
Speaker 3: a four square church in Santa Anna, the four Square
Speaker 3: Church of the Gospel in Santa Anna, and then all
Speaker 3: of a sudden he decides that he doesn't want to
Speaker 3: be part of that ministry. Anymore because he claimed he
Speaker 3: had a vision from God, and the vision from God
Speaker 3: that he had told him that he would be leading
Speaker 3: thousands of people to God and that was his vision
Speaker 3: that God gave him. And so he decided to leave
Speaker 3: his his gig as a minister of the Four Square
Speaker 3: Gospel Church in Santa Ana and decide to take over
Speaker 3: the Calgary Chapel Ministry. And he was able to turn
Speaker 3: it into basically one of the first mega churches.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 3: And like I said, his mentor was a CIA operative
Speaker 3: for the paranormal of the CIA. So he ended up
Speaker 3: being on you know, Time magazine, you know when they
Speaker 3: had the Jesus People, a Time Magazine article that they
Speaker 3: interviewed him.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 3: To watch the Jesus People document If you watch the
Speaker 3: Jesus People documentary from the sixties, it features Chuck Smith
Speaker 3: when he's baptizing people at the beach in Corona Del Mar, California.
Speaker 1: This is gold information here, people. I hope you appreciate this.
Speaker 3: Yes, So he was instrumental in the rise of this
Speaker 3: type stuff. I got nothing against people getting baptized at
Speaker 3: the beach. I mean, my parents were baptized by Chuck
Speaker 3: Smith at the Beach in California.
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Speaker 3: This is you know that, Like I'm saying nothing else,
Speaker 3: people getting baptized at the beach. I mean when when
Speaker 3: I was and you know involved, I got baptized in
Speaker 3: the pool in the backyard.
Speaker 1: You're saying that Chuck Smith brought a bunch of olive
Speaker 1: oil and dumped it on your head in a pool
Speaker 1: and a kiddie pool, and the CIA anointed you to
Speaker 1: be their boy. That's what you're saying.
Speaker 3: Well, luckily I was not anointed or baptized by Chuck Smith.
Speaker 1: So that was before you got That was before you
Speaker 1: went to the Benny Hen Show.
Speaker 3: There's another character there. But anyways, you know, like I said,
Speaker 3: this is a this is another interesting thing, and there's
Speaker 3: a lot of information that kind of correlates. It's kind
Speaker 3: of hard to articulate it and get it all in there.
Speaker 3: But you have to think about this time period too.
Speaker 3: So Coasta Mesa, California, nineteen sixty eight. The landscape around
Speaker 3: this area is very conservative. It's a very conservative landscape.
Speaker 3: This is where some of the biggest military contractors in
Speaker 3: the world were located. Orange County Coqui, colloquially for many
Speaker 3: years was known as the Orange Curtain.
Speaker 1: And this is where we're going to get Silicon Valley too, right, absolutely, yeah.
Speaker 3: And so the Orange curt the reason it was known
Speaker 3: as the Orange Curtain is because there was so many
Speaker 3: It was like almost like nine right when conservatives loaded
Speaker 3: in Orange County in the nineteen sixties and seventies. And
Speaker 3: so it's very interesting in the in the beginning of
Speaker 3: this post modern time period that a postmodern kind of
Speaker 3: evangelicism made up of primarily ex hippies and ex drug
Speaker 3: users that are being moved into what would later be
Speaker 3: the religion that would help to bring about Ronald Reagan
Speaker 3: and super militarization just happens to come out of this
Speaker 3: area high conic concentration of military industrial complex and you know,
Speaker 3: John Birch society type stuff. So that to me is
Speaker 3: very interesting that that is, yeah, stuff kind of correlates.
Speaker 3: It's also interesting to note that within a ten to
Speaker 3: fifteen mile radius you have some of the biggest churches
Speaker 3: in the world all right there, So literally across the
Speaker 3: freeway from Calbary Chapel is TBN.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, I did not know that, okay. And by
Speaker 1: the way, there was documents that were that were out
Speaker 1: a while, but they may not be legit, but I mean,
Speaker 1: come on, it's not hard to believe. But there was
Speaker 1: like FBI dot documents about Paul Crouch having a bunch
Speaker 1: of running a bunch of Hey, Paul Crouch had some
Speaker 1: connection to the mafia, is what this was that came
Speaker 1: out three or four years ago. It was a big
Speaker 1: news story for a little while and it disappeared. I'm
Speaker 1: not saying that that means the FBI was good. I
Speaker 1: mean the CIA and the mafia and these people like
Speaker 1: Paul Crouch, I mean they're they're like all joined at
Speaker 1: the hip. So it's not I'm not trying to defend institutions.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying that's very believable, is what I'm trying
Speaker 1: to say. Yeah, the one, the one.
Speaker 3: The one interesting story that Jordan Maxwell has is that
Speaker 3: he had a friend who worked at a Belbo Balboa Beach,
Speaker 3: which is the Newport Beach liquor store that used that
Speaker 3: used to deliver liquor to Paul and Jen Crouch's parties.
Speaker 3: So Paul and Jen Crouch would have parties with liquor
Speaker 3: at them. Interesting. Uh. It was also rumored that Paul Crouch,
Speaker 3: I think.
Speaker 1: She spilled some that purple drank in her hair.
Speaker 3: Dude's purple stuff.
Speaker 1: He's got cotton candy hair. Yeah.
Speaker 3: It's also rumored Paul Crouch was a you know, closet homosexual. Right,
Speaker 3: So yeah, TBN down the street from TBN. Pretty, you're
Speaker 3: down down the freeway from TBN to Saddleback Church. Wow.
Speaker 3: Just a little bit north of those churches is the
Speaker 3: Crystal Cathedral with Robe. Just a little bit here over
Speaker 3: across the way near Disneyland is the Vineyard.
Speaker 1: Holy like Petriot Dish.
Speaker 3: Yeah, literally across the street. Directly across the street from Disneyland.
Speaker 3: There used to be a church that was very popular
Speaker 3: in the seventies and eighties. It was called melody Land,
Speaker 3: and that was a steampull of kind of you know,
Speaker 3: kind of hippie kind or not more you know Jesus
Speaker 3: people kind of evangelical stuff comes out of melody Land.
Speaker 3: And then you know, when you get up into Los Angeles,
Speaker 3: like I said before, you get all those other types
Speaker 3: of churches, the ones slipping but slipping my mind. But
Speaker 3: the campus crusades from for Christ comes from u c
Speaker 3: l A. That's where Bill Bright started the campus Crusades
Speaker 3: at the campus of u c l A. Henrietta Henrietta
Speaker 3: Meres lived in bel Air, which is right above, which
Speaker 3: is right above U. C. L A. And this is
Speaker 3: all in and around Hollywood, So very very interesting that
Speaker 3: all this type of stuff correlates around Hollywood military intelligence agencies.
Speaker 3: You've got the you know, you've got the same old
Speaker 3: stuff here, basically, is what I'm saying. And and you know,
Speaker 3: like I mentioned the Crystal Theater, Robert Schuler, you know,
Speaker 3: he kind of plays a little role in this kind
Speaker 3: of another thing that pops its head up with evangelicism.
Speaker 1: Real quick, John, let me ask you, while we're on
Speaker 1: the topic of Schuler and all that garbage. If I recalled,
Speaker 1: didn't you at one time make the point about the
Speaker 1: the new Thought positive thinking movement Norman Vincent Peelee. Didn't
Speaker 1: that have some kind of deep state connection to or
Speaker 1: at least some social engineering money. And because that's what
Speaker 1: Robert Schuler is, it's just like a window dressing quote
Speaker 1: Christianity version of Norman Vincent Peel stuff. Right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Actually yah, I was just about to say prosperity Gospel, Yeah,
Speaker 3: pops its stuff up with.
Speaker 1: Robert and you talked about new Thought, right, I mean,
Speaker 1: is is that connected.
Speaker 3: To this absolutely. Okay, yeah, the yeah, if you go on,
Speaker 3: if you go on Robert Schuler's wiki page, if if
Speaker 3: it's still if it's still there in its same form,
Speaker 3: it's it says he's a mottivational speaker. So so I
Speaker 3: thought that was funny.
Speaker 1: Do you hear my Jordan Peterson thing? I was saying
Speaker 1: that people are Jordan Peterson is Tony Robbins and Milo
Speaker 1: in the body of a young Vincent Price.
Speaker 3: I saw that.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's gonna that's gonna make everybody mad, but that's okay.
Speaker 1: But anyway, so go ahead.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I listened to your critique. It was a very
Speaker 3: very interesting and good.
Speaker 1: The Uh.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so Robert, you know, Robert Schuler, you also plays
Speaker 3: a big role in kind of this shifting and changing
Speaker 3: uh you know, uh time period of religion. He had
Speaker 3: a drive in movie theater, uh that he converted into
Speaker 3: a church.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 3: Really the cathedral used to be a drive in movie theater.
Speaker 3: He would actually have people drive in and he would
Speaker 3: be on the loud speaker with the boxes in the
Speaker 3: cars like in the in movie theater you know, back.
Speaker 1: When Riven that is insane.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And so he had that and then he built
Speaker 3: the Christal Cathedral or the first you know, the what
Speaker 3: was it called the the Tower, uh, the Tower of
Speaker 3: Hope tower, yeah, tower of Hope, but the Tower of
Speaker 3: Power because he had yeah yeah, Joyce Riley.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, well all these people are interchangeable. It's all
Speaker 1: the same bullshit.
Speaker 3: This was called the Hour of Power.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, so uh.
Speaker 3: So yeah. Another thing that kind of correlates with the
Speaker 3: changing with the modernization of religion, of Christian religion, which
Speaker 3: I always think is quite hilarious because we've talked about
Speaker 3: this a little bit before on some of our I
Speaker 3: think when we were talking about Acumenicism, was was Schuler
Speaker 3: employed Richard Neutra to build the Tower of Hope and
Speaker 3: then he employed Philip Johnson to build the Crystal Cathedral,
Speaker 3: which I mean, those are the most modernist architects.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Right, that's a good point of the time period.
Speaker 3: So he employs these you know, modernist architects to build
Speaker 3: this church and the Crystal Cathedral. If you go look
Speaker 3: at it from the front angle, it's an upside down pyramid.
Speaker 1: Hmmm.
Speaker 3: Right, So it's got this kind of odd shape, but
Speaker 3: the front part of it is an upside down triangle.
Speaker 1: So there you know it.
Speaker 3: The cathedral itself bears no resemblance to anything having to
Speaker 3: do with the church whatsoever.
Speaker 1: Right, that's a good point, you know.
Speaker 3: So, yeah, you're you're, you're absolutely correct. He was a
Speaker 3: part of the Prosperity Gospel, the New Thought, you know,
Speaker 3: kind of a continuation of the Norman Vincent.
Speaker 1: Peel and Norman Vincent Peel, if I recall, was a
Speaker 1: high level Mason. He was either a thirty two or
Speaker 1: thirty three degree free Mason.
Speaker 3: So so was so was Schuler.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, okay, that makes sense.
Speaker 3: Norman Vincent Peel was Rockefeller funded. Oh okay, he had
Speaker 3: Rock money kind of backing him up to I think
Speaker 3: he was from New York if i'm if I'm remembering correctly,
Speaker 3: don't quote me on that. But yeah, when you get
Speaker 3: back into the h there's a there's a good book
Speaker 3: on this, Kate Bowler's book. It's called Blessed History, a
Speaker 3: History of Prosperity Gospel. People should check that out. There's
Speaker 3: another one. There's another one called The Charismatic Century. People
Speaker 3: could go back and read that and kind of goes
Speaker 3: into the history of the uh, you know, like the
Speaker 3: Azuza Street Revival. Yes, right, that's another That's another thing.
Speaker 3: I didn't bring this up with Tim, but I'll bring
Speaker 3: it up with you. That's another interesting thing about California
Speaker 3: is it's home to one of the biggest Christian universities
Speaker 3: in the world. Is Pacific Mm hmm, I do about this, Yeah,
Speaker 3: AZUSA Pacific University is a very large, uh Christian institution.
Speaker 1: I I I don't.
Speaker 3: I believe it's a non denominational university.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, so it's like, is it like a is
Speaker 1: it charismatic in the tradition of the Azuza Street Revival
Speaker 1: giant school?
Speaker 3: I I would, I would tend to think so.
Speaker 1: I didn't.
Speaker 3: You know, I don't know that for a fact, But
Speaker 3: I just know that there's not really any sort of
Speaker 3: Usually you go, you know, you have religious universities, there's
Speaker 3: some sort of denomination attached to it, right, you know,
Speaker 3: Southern method as Southern Baptist or you know, Catholic universities
Speaker 3: or whatever. A Zoosa Pacific is a non denominational Christian
Speaker 3: like a Christian university, and it basically kind of correlates
Speaker 3: with a kind of uh no, no, sort of denomination
Speaker 3: kind of the evangel the Evangelical University. Another another guy
Speaker 3: who actually lived in California and died in Newport Beach
Speaker 3: was Oral Roberts.
Speaker 1: I was about to bring up Oral Roberts University.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, which, uh, which many many of today's big
Speaker 3: time pastors actually graduated from.
Speaker 1: Oral Roberts University.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and so Oral Roberts was there to churn out
Speaker 3: the next way he was.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was turning out that like the like the
Speaker 1: Kenneth Copelands and these kind of guys. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I think Benny did Benny Hinn go to Oral Roberts University?
Speaker 3: I think so, Yeah, Yeah, and maybe even TD Jakes
Speaker 3: did or something like that. One of the black guys
Speaker 3: did something like that. I can't remember.
Speaker 1: So do we have you got any more juicy? I
Speaker 1: mean this is great, there's a lot of juicy nuggets.
Speaker 1: We've still got two hundred and twenty three two thirty
Speaker 1: people watching.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 1: If if you want us to move into the question period,
Speaker 1: h do send a super chat here and we'll read
Speaker 1: your question.
Speaker 3: A lot.
Speaker 1: It looks like we've got a good bit of the
Speaker 1: atheist types in the chat here. The crimes in the Bible,
Speaker 1: genocide in the Bible. Yeah, I'd be glad to eventually
Speaker 1: do those topics. That's not what we're here to talk
Speaker 1: about tonight, But that's okay, I'm not I didn't come
Speaker 1: on here to debate the Bible. Yeah, this is not
Speaker 1: like atheist night. What we're here to talk about is
Speaker 1: the social engineering behind the end time stuff. And then
Speaker 1: when we finished talking with John, I will give some
Speaker 1: of my book recommendations for people that, you know, want
Speaker 1: to delve deeper into this topic. And I'm going to recommend,
Speaker 1: you know, readable sized books, not giant things, for people
Speaker 1: that want to get my perspective on it, because I
Speaker 1: get that question a lot. So we do have some
Speaker 1: super chats here. Are they any good questions or they
Speaker 1: just chats? Send more, mammon. That is a good statement,
Speaker 1: but not exactly a question. The Big Brother fart analogy
Speaker 1: made made me pee myself laughing. Well, I'm glad I
Speaker 1: could make you pee and laugh at the same time.
Speaker 1: Increase Jones audio. We did that. So how do here's one?
Speaker 1: How do UFOs tie into the apocalypse? That's a good question.
Speaker 1: I don't actually think that UFOs are part of the apocalypse.
Speaker 1: I think that it's possible that maybe and there could
Speaker 1: be some kind of strange phenomenon at the end and
Speaker 1: end Days or something like that. But I don't think
Speaker 1: that we know when the end and End Days is.
Speaker 1: I think that as it gets closer to that time period,
Speaker 1: it'll be evident. But I don't think that there are
Speaker 1: aliens that are flying around in space and watching us
Speaker 1: or anything like that. So that would be my response
Speaker 1: to that question. We got a couple more here.
Speaker 3: Can I answer? Can I answer that question?
Speaker 1: Yeah, John got Yeah, sure, be feel free.
Speaker 3: There was a movement in the sixties and seventies to
Speaker 3: tie Jesus to aliens.
Speaker 1: Okay, talk about that done, and then into.
Speaker 3: The nineteen eighties, this idea that Jesus is going to
Speaker 3: come into spaceship. There's a there's a song out there,
Speaker 3: a song I really like a lot. It's pretty. It's
Speaker 3: called UFO. It's by Jim Sullivan, and it's literally a
Speaker 3: song about Jesus coming down in the spaceship. I think
Speaker 3: Speared in the Sky kind of has been kind of
Speaker 3: used in that way in the culture to kind of
Speaker 3: play that Jesus connected, you know, Like don't they use
Speaker 3: Spirit in the sky in like Apollo thirteen or something
Speaker 3: so it's kind of yeah, good plant to NASA and space. Yeah,
Speaker 3: the idea, this is a theosophical idea as well, because
Speaker 3: good point, you know, Blovatsky specifically talks about how Jesus
Speaker 3: is one of the space Brothers and good point.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I forgot about that, you know. So yeah, exo
Speaker 1: theology is a classic attempt of cults. And if you
Speaker 1: heard the interviews with James Kelly and the cult series,
Speaker 1: the Nation of Islam has the exo theology alien element.
Speaker 1: Scientology has the exo theology alien element. Jim Jones actually
Speaker 1: People's Temple had the the alien exo theology element. So
Speaker 1: that's a very smooth the ray aliens I mentioned them
Speaker 1: in my book. That's a very smooth transition from Jesus
Speaker 1: to the space brothers. And the CIA has been involved
Speaker 1: in that for a long time.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and there's other elements of that too, I mean
Speaker 3: to a certain extent, like Mormons are all into transhumanism.
Speaker 3: That's a good point, spaceships and uh, you know all
Speaker 3: that type of stuff. You know, I would say that
Speaker 3: there's other pop culture, there's other pop culture stuff that
Speaker 3: kind of implies that, you know, Jesus is a space
Speaker 3: brother in flying in the UFO Udanakin sitchen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I mean the rapture idea is kind of,
Speaker 1: you know, kind of in the same principle here, like
Speaker 1: remember Heaven's Gate. Heavens Gate was another exo theology and
Speaker 1: they thought they're gonna get raptured.
Speaker 3: And yeah, yeah, so you have this this kind of
Speaker 3: stuff actually kind of making its way into pop culture
Speaker 3: because I think a lot of the ancient alien type
Speaker 3: stuff would would imply like I think what they what
Speaker 3: what that type of stuff tries to do is whereas
Speaker 3: you get you know, the people, there's the people out
Speaker 3: there who say, and I'm not disagreeing with some of
Speaker 3: this stuff, well, let's just say I'm just going to
Speaker 3: be objective about the information. So there's the people who
Speaker 3: would say that Mohammed or Jesus does never existed in history, right,
Speaker 3: And then there's the people who would say, well, they existed,
Speaker 3: but they were they were the ancient aliens. They were
Speaker 3: sent here, but they were sent here by the ancient aliens.
Speaker 3: They you know, you know when the ascension, Jesus's ascension
Speaker 3: was him being beamed up by a UFO and you know,
Speaker 3: Giorgio Sukulos can prove this, right, So I'm sure that
Speaker 3: this type of stuff, uh plus plus you know, all
Speaker 3: all that type of stuff. They'll go into other religions,
Speaker 3: like you know, the Hindu karma wheel is actually a UFO, right, yes.
Speaker 1: Good point. Yeah, the wheels of Ezekiel become giant spaceships,
Speaker 1: and that's also the Hindu chariot, right yeah, So.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Ezekiel saw a spaceship. Ezekiel Elijah went up in
Speaker 3: a in a spaceship, right, it was it was a chariot.
Speaker 3: But because well, i mean, come on, Jade, they didn't
Speaker 3: know what UFOs looked like back then.
Speaker 1: They just saw, right, just like hal Lindsay says that
Speaker 1: the apostle John, you didn't know what a black hawk was.
Speaker 1: So if John saw black hawk, he would describe it
Speaker 1: as a giant scorpion with a metal body.
Speaker 3: So let me tell you them, there's a black cock
Speaker 3: coming down in my house right now. I'm not kidding
Speaker 3: they just it's been following ever since we started doing
Speaker 3: this broadcast.
Speaker 1: Vintage Alex there, this is old. This is like nineteen
Speaker 1: ninety eight Alex when he was doing America Destroyed by Design.
Speaker 1: Remember that one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah, so many times.
Speaker 1: Okay, we got two more questions here. We got a
Speaker 1: couple of super chats. Pepe I wonder who Pepe is?
Speaker 1: Pepe keck the Malachi Martin said, the Soviet Union faked
Speaker 1: its own death. Yes, if you go back when the
Speaker 1: show is archived after we finished tonight, you'll hear we
Speaker 1: did for a section cover defectors. We mentioned Anatoli Galitzen,
Speaker 1: and we mentioned Yuri Besmanov, and we mentioned him in
Speaker 1: the context of being skeptical of defectors. And so Malachi Martin,
Speaker 1: I would say, is just as dubious as these same
Speaker 1: kinds of characters. If you read Keys of This Blood,
Speaker 1: it's all about fostering the Cold War. Malachai Martin's whole
Speaker 1: thing is the Commies are gonna get us, The comedies
Speaker 1: are going to get us. That's who's infiltrating the church.
Speaker 1: He never mentions that he was probably Cia and all
Speaker 1: of his Cia buddies that were common during that church.
Speaker 1: As David Wimhoff shows emphatically, dogmatically, without any doubt, it's
Speaker 1: one hund percent proven in his book. So I don't
Speaker 1: trust defectors. It's a great engine of CIA disinformation defector stories.
Speaker 1: So we did cover that. You can just listen to
Speaker 1: it later. John, any comments on that question.
Speaker 3: I own The Jesuits by Malachi Martin, but I've never
Speaker 3: read it, and I've never read any of his other books,
Speaker 3: so I have no comments.
Speaker 1: Next question is do you know about Robert Weber and
Speaker 1: the convergence movement trying to bring evangelical, charismatic and traditional
Speaker 1: style liturgies together. Yes. In fact, I remember when I
Speaker 1: first started seeing this trend about ten years ago. I
Speaker 1: started researching the history of the Emergent Church, which I
Speaker 1: guess maybe now it's convergent Church and all this stuff
Speaker 1: does it? The names don't match the same kind of thing,
Speaker 1: And yeah, it's a kind of a way to try
Speaker 1: to draw people out of as we talked about the
Speaker 1: beginning of the conversation, more traditional movements into new fads,
Speaker 1: and so the corporations, even the CIA, these de Pentagon,
Speaker 1: they all experiment with these different flavors of movements to
Speaker 1: draw people and test, you know, in these different things.
Speaker 1: All of these big megachurches are uh, you know, government
Speaker 1: run stuff, and so Alf Jones was right about that part.
Speaker 1: But but yes, we did earlier on We did mention
Speaker 1: the emergent church movement and we did talk about it
Speaker 1: having connections to the deep State. So John, any thoughts
Speaker 1: on that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I think what happens is is over time, uh,
Speaker 3: whatever whatever it may be, people start to kind of
Speaker 3: go back to you know, they get they get tired,
Speaker 3: you know, the the megachurch type stuff. It's going to
Speaker 3: run its course, so people might kind of go back
Speaker 3: to something earlier, like maybe look for some more traditional
Speaker 3: type stuff. In fact that I actually saw a Presbyterian
Speaker 3: pastor kind of talking about this. Uh, they kind of
Speaker 3: kept their worship service in line with what original worre
Speaker 3: ship services were, and he was expecting that that there
Speaker 3: was going to be a re emergence of that old
Speaker 3: type of worship because people were going to tire of
Speaker 3: you know, Joel Ostein and all that type of stuff.
Speaker 3: But I think what happens is is in the course
Speaker 3: of people kind of looking for traditional, more traditional type stuff,
Speaker 3: they'll try to.
Speaker 1: Kind of.
Speaker 3: Circumvent that with a with an invented traditional I don't
Speaker 3: know how to explain myself thoroughly, but it's like someone
Speaker 3: will go looking for a traditional type of something, but
Speaker 3: it'll it'll be a reinvented type of thing. And I
Speaker 3: think with what she's talking about what I'm sorry, I
Speaker 3: don't know. Was it a was it an old lady?
Speaker 1: It was? It was it was Adam asked that question. Adam.
Speaker 3: Okay, sorry, Adam, I thought it was Eve just kidding.
Speaker 3: That was bad. Yeah, with the Robert Weber and Yeah,
Speaker 3: that's what you're gonna see is kind of an emerging
Speaker 3: of of of I guess philosophy is emerging of theologies
Speaker 3: into kind of this mishmash postmodern.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a great way to put it that the
Speaker 1: emergent church movement is completely postmodern and the postmodernists we're
Speaker 1: also CIA funded. You can read about the French theorists,
Speaker 1: the Deidad, these different characters. They also had CIA backing.
Speaker 1: That will be in my book as well. So we've
Speaker 1: gone almost two hours. We're getting numbers are dropping a
Speaker 1: little bit. Maybe we need to come to the end here, John,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna let you have the final all concluding remarks
Speaker 1: if you've got any more nuggets that you want to
Speaker 1: kind of throw out before we Yes, Fuko exactly, Thank you, Trevor.
Speaker 1: Fuko was definitely one of these gay Jesuit occultists who
Speaker 1: stared over the abyss. But anyway, John, you got any
Speaker 1: more nuggets before we kind of moved to the conclusion here.
Speaker 3: Uh Yeah, Calvin Chapel had a pastor. Calvin Chapel had
Speaker 3: a pastor and he was kind of chucksmiss right hand man.
Speaker 3: And he was a long haired, bearded hippie type and
Speaker 3: his name was Lonnie Frisbee.
Speaker 1: I've heard this one. Yeah, this is a good one.
Speaker 3: He was a young man and he basically kind of
Speaker 3: looked like Jesus, and so he went around kind of recruiting,
Speaker 3: you know, people, getting all the young people to come
Speaker 3: in and join the church and come to the service
Speaker 3: and the whole bit. There's there's a documentary on Lonnie
Speaker 3: Frisbee you can find and watch, and Lonnie Frisbee was
Speaker 3: the whole time he was a pastor at Calbert Chapel,
Speaker 3: he was an alcoholic, drug using homosexual wow okay okay,
Speaker 3: And people at the church even knew this, but they
Speaker 3: covered it up. And there's even an interview with somebody
Speaker 3: from that documentary it may have even been Chuck Smith Junior,
Speaker 3: where he was saying, you know, Lonnie would come in
Speaker 3: and he you know, you could tell he'd been partying
Speaker 3: the night before, but you could just tell that when
Speaker 3: he stepped into that church, the Holy Spirit.
Speaker 1: Was with him and.
Speaker 3: He was alive and he was able to you know,
Speaker 3: fire people up. And I was I was just you know,
Speaker 3: thinking about how funny that, you know, this went on
Speaker 3: for many many years where this this guy, you know,
Speaker 3: even into the nineteen eighties where he cut his hair,
Speaker 3: and you know, this type of stuff goes on for
Speaker 3: long come and interestingly enough, Pauline Chuck Smith's mentor had
Speaker 3: been accused of being a homosexual alcoholic as well, So
Speaker 3: seems to be a rampant amongst these type of minutes.
Speaker 1: That's a great point, exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah, a lot
Speaker 1: of these people seem to be very morally compromised individuals.
Speaker 1: So I mean it's not like we're just talking. I mean,
Speaker 1: we all obviously have sins. The point is not to nitpick,
Speaker 1: but that it really seems to be a lot of
Speaker 1: these big name megastar evangelicals seem to have this compromising
Speaker 1: aspect in their background and in their makeup.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's it's you know, it's one it's
Speaker 3: one thing if a mechanic is a closet homosexual, alcoholic,
Speaker 3: but if you're a pastor, you know that's that's a
Speaker 3: little different there. That's quite a compromise. So yeah, you see,
Speaker 3: you see this trend kind of run through there. And
Speaker 3: you know, the biggest thing I think overall is when
Speaker 3: you have this culture, it's born out of this background
Speaker 3: that the apocalypse is going to happen. Jesus is coming,
Speaker 3: He's returning any day. Now it doesn't happen. It continues
Speaker 3: on into the eighties. As we move into the eighties,
Speaker 3: a base has been created for the election of Ronald Reagan.
Speaker 1: Okay, right, and then.
Speaker 3: You move on into the nineteen eighties with the Council
Speaker 3: for National Policy and a literal foundation and base as
Speaker 3: a religion has been created as a political arm. Okay,
Speaker 3: Now you have a religion that is a political arm
Speaker 3: of Republican politics. Yeah, okay, this is something that didn't
Speaker 3: happen in any previous time period.
Speaker 1: That's a good point. Yeah, And this is why we
Speaker 1: see the dominance of the neo conservative foreign policy mindset
Speaker 1: in the evangelical world, especially as you said, in that
Speaker 1: Reagan era, moral majority crowd fallwell type Crop.
Speaker 3: Absolutely. Yeah, it was set up from the sixties to
Speaker 3: become this political arm and I would even speculate, can't
Speaker 3: prove it, but I would even speculate that they may
Speaker 3: have even had Reagan picked out for this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised. Yeah, I mean Reagan was
Speaker 1: probably compromised. In fact, remember h Chapman that used to
Speaker 1: come on Alex Jones's show and Bob, Yeah, he would
Speaker 1: always talk about that he knew that. Right, I'm not
Speaker 1: This doesn't prove it, but I'm saying he was always
Speaker 1: tking about how he knew that that Reagan was compromised.
Speaker 1: Alex doesn't. Alex doesn't play that clip anymore. But uh
Speaker 1: that you can find that one.
Speaker 3: So as it moves into the eighties, the other thing
Speaker 3: it successfully does is and I have the empirical background
Speaker 3: to be able to to say this is is it
Speaker 3: moved these people who were kind of and this type
Speaker 3: of Christianity, you know, a morphed as it as as
Speaker 3: it went down through time. Because that's what postmodernism has
Speaker 3: to do, right, that has to constantly reinvent itself. So
Speaker 3: so it moved people that were outside. So this kind
Speaker 3: of separation of family and tradition. You break it up
Speaker 3: with youth movements and say, hey, all the stuff that
Speaker 3: these people are doing in the modern world, which you
Speaker 3: could make an argument that it wasn't great. Okay, let's
Speaker 3: just see the nuclear family and the modernization. All right,
Speaker 3: it's not that great, okay, but whatever. You break it up,
Speaker 3: you take the youth away from them. You get parents
Speaker 3: and children at odds with each other. You create this
Speaker 3: youth movement. They break away. They say, hey, we don't
Speaker 3: want anything to do with the technology and the modern
Speaker 3: We're going to go out here in the woods and
Speaker 3: we're gonna grow our hair long and all that type
Speaker 3: of stuff. Whether it was evangelical religion or whether it
Speaker 3: was New Age stuff or whatever it is. You get
Speaker 3: them back into these these ideas, and then by the
Speaker 3: nineteen eighties you're able to move them back into.
Speaker 1: The modern world. Yeah, that's a good point. So I
Speaker 1: saw that with my parents.
Speaker 3: My parents, you know, they were kind of like, oh,
Speaker 3: we're not going to eat General Mills, We're not going
Speaker 3: to drink Coca cola, you're not going to watch television.
Speaker 3: You're not gonna do And then by the time the
Speaker 3: mid eighties starts to roll around my parents. You know,
Speaker 3: it's like, Okay, we can eat McDonald's. Now, hey we
Speaker 3: can have soda, all right, cool. I can watch you know,
Speaker 3: I can watch some MTV. Sometimes it starts getting a
Speaker 3: little starts getting a little lenient as every and and
Speaker 3: the church itself moves in because it moves into that
Speaker 3: phase too. Because literally, I'm not kidding Jay and I'm
Speaker 3: and you may have, but by the time I was
Speaker 3: in high school, there were Christian death metal bands.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that still exists. I have I have a friend
Speaker 1: who is into that. He really likes those, so that
Speaker 1: and that still exists, which is very bizarre. But whatever
Speaker 1: anybody likes is none of my business. But it's just funny.
Speaker 1: It is funny, and I think he thinks it's funny too,
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's.
Speaker 3: Just funny to think about it. That that the stuff
Speaker 3: that well, I mean, you know, even when we were
Speaker 3: you know, younger, I mean, there's Christian heavy metal bands,
Speaker 3: Striper and all that. So Christianity was was mimicking all
Speaker 3: of the stuff that they said culture culture it was.
Speaker 3: But it's just instead of saying Hail Satan, it's hal Jesus.
Speaker 1: You got So.
Speaker 3: I was just going to kind of wrap it up
Speaker 3: there is is that you have this kind of religion
Speaker 3: born of this you know, apocalyptic nature with the background
Speaker 3: of the Cold War. It's all going on in southern
Speaker 3: cal It's all starting in southern California in an area
Speaker 3: that's centered around intelligence and military industrial complex, right, you know,
Speaker 3: kind of right wing politics, and it succeeded in creating
Speaker 3: a foundational base for moving the right wing politics forward
Speaker 3: into the nineteen eighties with the election Ronald Reagan, the
Speaker 3: creation of the Council for National Policy, which was started
Speaker 3: by Tim Lahay, who later wrote the Left Behind series
Speaker 3: that is.
Speaker 1: So popular Great Point, Great Point, which.
Speaker 3: Is more apocalyptic nonsense, and interestingly enough, the Council for
Speaker 3: National Policy actually stated Lehay has stated that his idea
Speaker 3: was to create a Christian Council on Foreign.
Speaker 1: Relations, a so called right wing CFR for those that
Speaker 1: don't know, right, yeah.
Speaker 3: So so yes, and Tim Lahay actually wrote a book
Speaker 3: with Helendsey.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I know, so.
Speaker 1: I wish we could leave Tim Lahay and his people behind.
Speaker 1: Can we just leave them behind? Right?
Speaker 3: Yeah? You know, you want to know what's hilarious if
Speaker 3: you go on Tim la Hay's a wiki page. It
Speaker 3: was changed like in December. If you go on there,
Speaker 3: there's a quote from him about the Illuminati.
Speaker 1: I'm not kidding.
Speaker 3: Somebody just put it in there in December. It says
Speaker 3: like Tim la Hay believed that there was an illuminati
Speaker 3: who controlled the world and that uh, I'm serious. Yeah,
Speaker 3: And that's all the left wing see of far people right,
Speaker 3: the liberal illuminati that wants to, you know, do get
Speaker 3: rid of the neo cons. All right, we got a
Speaker 3: couple more questions here and then we'll we'll wrap it up.
Speaker 3: I'll give some book recommendations. I guess this one is
Speaker 3: for me.
Speaker 1: Are there any suspected CIA promoted heresies in the Orthodox Church? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I cover this. Actually, the best overall topic for that
Speaker 1: that I've done already is the talk that I did
Speaker 1: with John and Chris and I think I titled it
Speaker 1: Mystery Babylon and Ecumenism and Public Education. That talk's still popular.
Speaker 1: It gets like one hundred views every few days. It's
Speaker 1: uped in the ten thousand or so views. That one's
Speaker 1: really good. It's really in depth. I go into the
Speaker 1: history of ecumenism and really the main battle of the
Speaker 1: Orthodox Church in the twentieth century is a humanism. This
Speaker 1: is the battle for in any of the churches and
Speaker 1: religions basically. Uh, and so yes, I think that wim
Speaker 1: Hoff shows that many other people have shown it. The
Speaker 1: Rockefellers created, fostered, and funded that move. I mean, it
Speaker 1: wasn't totally the Rockefellers, but eventually they're the ones that
Speaker 1: made it what it is. So that's who's behind ecumenism.
Speaker 1: And that would be my answer to that question for sure.
Speaker 1: Go ahead for.
Speaker 3: Anybody who wants. Here's something funny. There is a book
Speaker 3: written by a Marxist. Her name is Holly sky are
Speaker 3: m h and it is an expose of the Trilateral Commission.
Speaker 3: It's called Trilateralism. She's a Marxist and in it is
Speaker 3: a whole bunch of stuff saying how bad and evil
Speaker 3: David Rockefeller is and how bad Trilateralism is. In the
Speaker 3: beginning of the book, in the forwards, she thinks the
Speaker 3: World Council of.
Speaker 1: Churches, Yeah, this and this would be like Gorbachev. Uh,
Speaker 1: like criticizing the Rockefellers and then being like this megastar
Speaker 1: at the United Nations. M. Yeah, that's a great point, John, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that I think that sums it up. So yes, Uh.
Speaker 1: The the recent even the Russian Russian bishops, many of
Speaker 1: them had commented recently on the Council of Crete, which
Speaker 1: is intended to be the Vatican Two for Orthodoxy last year,
Speaker 1: and it totally failed because most of Orthodoxy had no
Speaker 1: interest in going to a giant ecumenical conference, so that
Speaker 1: the Council of Crete failed, and that was one hundred
Speaker 1: percent funded by NATO and the West. Next question for me,
Speaker 1: what are my thoughts on the certain group. I'm not
Speaker 1: going to name this group. I don't want to give
Speaker 1: them attention and traction. I had an email exchange with
Speaker 1: this person long time ago. We're not going to go
Speaker 1: there for various reasons, so there will not be a
Speaker 1: debate with them for that reason. And the other part
Speaker 1: of this question, what do I think about in times
Speaker 1: and whatever they're into now? Any group, I'll just say this,
Speaker 1: any group or person that at one time predicts the
Speaker 1: end of the world. Okay. So, like we were talking
Speaker 1: about earlier with John, when John was making the point
Speaker 1: about how Lindsey, if you come to these topics from
Speaker 1: a biblical perspective, there's the injunction in scripture for example,
Speaker 1: that you'll know a false prophet when the things that
Speaker 1: they predict don't come true. That's kind of a basic
Speaker 1: rule of thumb for false prophets and teachers. So any
Speaker 1: of these groups out there that are claiming to know
Speaker 1: when the end is and this kind of stuff and
Speaker 1: it doesn't happen. And this group has done this many times.
Speaker 1: So that's why I don't associate with any of those groups.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to waste my time debating them. They're
Speaker 1: very ridiculous. So that is my answer to this group.
Speaker 3: There's a ministry called End Times Prophecy. Have you ever
Speaker 3: heard of that?
Speaker 1: Not specifically that, No, what is that?
Speaker 3: You should check that out. It's pretty funny. Okay, there's
Speaker 3: a ministry called End Times minister.
Speaker 1: All right, this is that We still got a couple
Speaker 1: hundred and to two hundred and fifty people. If this
Speaker 1: is your last chance for any super chats or questions
Speaker 1: before we wrap this up, or you know, put them
Speaker 1: in there if you want to, if you want to
Speaker 1: get on here before we go, I'm going to give
Speaker 1: you a couple of books and you can have a
Speaker 1: few seconds to type out your question if you want.
Speaker 1: If you've got another question, and then we'll let John
Speaker 1: wrap things up, and that'll be it for tonight. So
Speaker 1: people have asked just easy books on the the view
Speaker 1: of the apocalypse in Matthew twenty four that I take
Speaker 1: that I think would make things very much more manageable,
Speaker 1: much more sensible. It actually makes the Bible a lot
Speaker 1: more coherent. A good place to start would just be
Speaker 1: the Little Easy Book. This was actually written a long
Speaker 1: time ago by a guy named Peter Hulford, who I
Speaker 1: think is a Protestant, and it's just called The Destruction
Speaker 1: of Jerusalem, and it's about the text of Matthew twenty four,
Speaker 1: basically just showing that so much of this matches up
Speaker 1: to what Josepha has talked about that it's very hard
Speaker 1: to try to extend this into a bunch of crazy
Speaker 1: stuff in Palestine and the year two thousand relating to
Speaker 1: Norman Schwartzkough and desert Storm has nothing to do with that.
Speaker 1: The next book I would recommend. It's a little bit
Speaker 1: more difficult, but still eat an easy read, a couple
Speaker 1: hundred pages. You can still get this book on Amazon.
Speaker 1: This is David Chilton's book Great Tribulation. This is a
Speaker 1: good one. It's a real clear, two hundred page book
Speaker 1: on the idea of the Tribulation in the Bible, and
Speaker 1: again how so much of this actually matches up to
Speaker 1: fulfillments of predictions about seventy eighty very simple, very straight
Speaker 1: to the point. If you want to go a little
Speaker 1: more intense. This is actually a fairly well known THHD thesis.
Speaker 1: I don't recommend to this guy overall, but this book
Speaker 1: is great. And this is Ken Gentry's book before Jerusalem fell.
Speaker 1: So this was his THHD thesis on the dating of
Speaker 1: the Book of Revelation and specifically how it makes sense
Speaker 1: to be dated prior to seventy AD and the destruction
Speaker 1: of Jerusalem. I think Gentry makes a very strong case
Speaker 1: for that if you want a more robust, complete commentary
Speaker 1: of the Book of Revelation itself. The same guy that
Speaker 1: wrote the Tribulation book, David Chilton, has his Classic Days
Speaker 1: of Vengeance, and I remember the first time I read
Speaker 1: this it really blew me away. Those are just some
Speaker 1: easy ones to, you know, kind of building up to
Speaker 1: complexity if you want to get into that topic. And unfortunately,
Speaker 1: while this book is out of print, I did get
Speaker 1: a copy just because it is a really good book,
Speaker 1: but it's like eighty bucks I poll it. Maybe it'll
Speaker 1: come back in print one day, but it will tie
Speaker 1: into a couple of these other books. And it's basically
Speaker 1: designed to show that from the Orthodox perspective, the worship
Speaker 1: service is outlined in the Book of Revelation. That's our view, right,
Speaker 1: and it succeeds in our view the temple and the
Speaker 1: synagogue service. So this classic book Orthodox worship continuity with
Speaker 1: the synagogue the temple in the early Church is really
Speaker 1: the absence of our view. So for people who are interested,
Speaker 1: those are some good books. One last one for people
Speaker 1: who really want to get serious about a total study
Speaker 1: of Biblical apocalyptics. This is a classic by Milton Terry.
Speaker 1: I think he's a methodist actually Biblical apocalyptics, and he
Speaker 1: really goes through all the prophetic texts and I think
Speaker 1: puts the medic coherent order. And of course everybody, as
Speaker 1: I said earlier, you can get the Orthodox Study Bible,
Speaker 1: which has excellent notes on all the prophetic texts. I
Speaker 1: highly recommend that you can get my book Esoteric Hollywood
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Speaker 1: I will leave it to mister John anything you'd like
Speaker 1: to leave us with and promote here at the end.
Speaker 3: Like I said, you could read Blessed by Kate Bowler. Okay,
Speaker 3: that's a good book talking about prosperity Gospel. And there's
Speaker 3: another one I can't remember the author's name, but it's
Speaker 3: called The Charismatic Century. And then there's another one by
Speaker 3: Professor Darren Deutchuk and it's called From Bible Belt to
Speaker 3: Sun Belt and that's talking about it's talking about the
Speaker 3: how California, California's role in the creation of of modern
Speaker 3: day evangelical church.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, specifically about.
Speaker 3: Southern California's role that played in the creation of of
Speaker 3: not only evangelical beliefs, but also right wing politics too.
Speaker 3: So it's a very interesting book. Highly recommend that book.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that does sound good. And one more time, what
Speaker 1: is it.
Speaker 3: It's called From Bible Belt to sun Belts by Professor
Speaker 3: Darren Deutschuk. Yeah, I'm pretty good. If anybody's interested in
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Speaker 1: Cool beings, all right, thank you, John. This has been
Speaker 1: a great talk, and definitely stay tuned today's analysis as
Speaker 1: we we will have hopefully a debate with one of
Speaker 1: the biggest atheists on YouTube, and that should be as
Speaker 1: they say on the Worsky stream, Blood Sports. Let's cross
Speaker 1: our fingers and hope that this goes down. It will
Speaker 1: be a lot of fun. John. Thank you very much
Speaker 1: for joining me tonight. It was a pleasure.
Speaker 3: My fingers are crossed.
Speaker 1: All right, all right, man, have a good night.
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