WEBVTT 1 00:00:04.879 --> 00:00:19.839 Welcome. Can you hear me? Why does it say no viewers? 2 00:00:21.760 --> 00:00:27.280 Oh my gosh, what the heck? All right? Can you 3 00:00:27.320 --> 00:00:30.600 hear me? Now? Are we good? Why does it say 4 00:00:30.679 --> 00:00:40.560 no viewers? All right? Can you guys hear me? No, 5 00:00:42.079 --> 00:00:49.039 you're screwing with me? Not bad? Forty viewers and they'll 6 00:00:49.079 --> 00:00:53.520 trickle in as we get going here, just making sure 7 00:00:53.560 --> 00:00:58.039 I'm doing the live event stuff. Right, We got on 8 00:00:58.079 --> 00:01:02.560 my stream page. John's gonna be hearing a little bit 9 00:01:04.439 --> 00:01:09.200 and we should be good to go. There's my live chat, 10 00:01:10.480 --> 00:01:15.799 live control room. Here we go, strange status? Good? All right, 11 00:01:16.000 --> 00:01:21.400 where's the chat's at? Here we go? All right? Can 12 00:01:21.439 --> 00:01:29.640 you guys hear me? All you forty nerds in the chat? Awesome? Uh? 13 00:01:29.799 --> 00:01:32.920 So all right, yeah, before John gets here, we'll have 14 00:01:32.959 --> 00:01:36.319 a little bit of warm up in conversation. Let the 15 00:01:36.439 --> 00:01:42.719 other nerds trickle in like Ron Reagan's trickle in nerd economy. 16 00:01:43.959 --> 00:01:46.719 Uh When will I be on the worsty stream? They 17 00:01:46.840 --> 00:01:54.640 keep saying next week? They said. Look, I said the 18 00:01:54.680 --> 00:02:01.599 other day that the guy that they're geting is supposed 19 00:02:01.599 --> 00:02:06.799 to be down, big, big YouTuber, bigger than sticks, bigger 20 00:02:06.840 --> 00:02:10.680 than Stefan. So let's cross your fingers and let's hope 21 00:02:10.680 --> 00:02:14.240 that it goes down this week. On Warski stream, Andy 22 00:02:14.319 --> 00:02:17.560 says it should be good. We'll see. I don't know 23 00:02:17.599 --> 00:02:20.520 if that'll be Wednesday or Thursday, but probably some some 24 00:02:20.520 --> 00:02:26.639 somewhere in there if if the big name guy agrees 25 00:02:26.680 --> 00:02:32.800 to it. So it was Cooper dead in season three, yeah, 26 00:02:32.879 --> 00:02:36.319 twin Peaks stuff. Uh, I think so. I think we're 27 00:02:36.319 --> 00:02:39.000 supposed to think that he was and this was a different, 28 00:02:39.240 --> 00:02:41.280 you know, alternate dimension. But I'm gonna that'll be in 29 00:02:41.319 --> 00:02:47.439 the book. By the way, here's the the next four 30 00:02:47.520 --> 00:02:51.199 hundred pages of esoteric Hollywood too, and then that'll be 31 00:02:51.240 --> 00:02:55.800 in there. So taken forever. It takes forever to write books. 32 00:02:58.439 --> 00:03:03.319 But this is to just to trigger everybody and to 33 00:03:03.439 --> 00:03:08.960 make evangelicals mad. I'm going to uh, I'm going to 34 00:03:10.439 --> 00:03:15.439 play the Russian Orthodox proclamation of anathemas that's read on 35 00:03:17.039 --> 00:03:21.319 Triumph of Orthodoxy Sunday. And this one's neat because only 36 00:03:21.360 --> 00:03:26.960 in the Russian do you hear the specific kind of 37 00:03:27.159 --> 00:03:30.680 it's directed at those who would not listen to the 38 00:03:30.680 --> 00:03:33.599 imperium right the God or Dane emperors. So it's just 39 00:03:33.639 --> 00:03:35.719 going to be a couple of minutes because I'm going 40 00:03:35.759 --> 00:03:40.039 to pour my coffee. It's late, I'm tired. But we're 41 00:03:40.039 --> 00:03:42.719 gonna have a good talk with John and I'll be 42 00:03:42.759 --> 00:03:45.800 back in about three minutes. And you can listen to 43 00:03:46.080 --> 00:03:49.680 the proclamations of the anathemas against those who don't accept 44 00:03:49.680 --> 00:03:51.560 the goddardined Orthodox emperors. 45 00:05:40.800 --> 00:05:45.319 If if I do that, you Talbot, there's Irish ship 46 00:05:45.600 --> 00:05:49.680 Rotimus it mables, it is terrible. 47 00:05:50.120 --> 00:06:00.360 Alto Uh. 48 00:06:04.959 --> 00:06:07.519 Does your church sing anathema? 49 00:06:08.360 --> 00:06:08.560 Oh? 50 00:06:08.759 --> 00:06:09.399 Nothing? 51 00:06:11.040 --> 00:06:13.439 That is wild. It reminds me if you've ever seen 52 00:06:14.079 --> 00:06:18.199 the Thomas Beckett movie with Richard Burton when he does 53 00:06:18.240 --> 00:06:26.120 the anathema no one to go about another all? And yeah, 54 00:06:26.160 --> 00:06:29.079 you might as well not go crazy in the chat 55 00:06:29.079 --> 00:06:33.399 because I have the thing turned on. What. We're not 56 00:06:33.439 --> 00:06:35.199 here to talk about Batha Matt, dude, why you keep 57 00:06:35.240 --> 00:06:39.439 bringing that up. Well, I'm glad you want to talk 58 00:06:39.439 --> 00:06:45.480 about Satan, but we're here tonight to talk about We're 59 00:06:45.519 --> 00:06:50.279 here to talk to John Adams of Pokestbusters. If you've 60 00:06:50.319 --> 00:06:53.560 listened to Jay's analysis, you're familiar with John Adams. John 61 00:06:54.560 --> 00:06:58.360 will be joining us shortly. That's sorry, we're getting up 62 00:06:58.399 --> 00:07:01.360 here into the ninety nerds. Ninety nerds up in here. 63 00:07:01.480 --> 00:07:04.720 What's the nerds? John Adams is gonna join us here 64 00:07:04.720 --> 00:07:07.240 in a little bit. And he did a lot of 65 00:07:07.279 --> 00:07:14.240 research on evangelical gobbledegook, and that's the theme for tonight. 66 00:07:14.279 --> 00:07:17.519 That's what we're going to talk about. I was raised 67 00:07:17.560 --> 00:07:20.759 in this gobbledegook, so I know about it. John was 68 00:07:20.800 --> 00:07:24.279 as well. Now John's not Orthodox, He's not coming from 69 00:07:24.360 --> 00:07:28.920 the orthodox perspective. He's coming from the perspective of having 70 00:07:28.920 --> 00:07:32.319 done a lot of research just kind of on the 71 00:07:32.360 --> 00:07:36.360 geopolitical tip. And so we're gonna really delve into that 72 00:07:36.399 --> 00:07:38.720 because that's a big puzzle piece. If you don't get 73 00:07:38.759 --> 00:07:43.360 the geopolitical side of all the pre millennial gobbledygook, you're 74 00:07:43.399 --> 00:07:47.079 gonna be confused. And actually that's a big part of 75 00:07:47.120 --> 00:07:50.680 it that really explains. Once you get that, they're like, oh, 76 00:07:50.839 --> 00:07:55.399 that's why Russia is gog and Maygog has nothing to 77 00:07:55.439 --> 00:07:58.519 do with what the Bible's actually talking about. It's used 78 00:07:58.519 --> 00:08:03.000 by geopolitical group groups to demonize whoever is the current 79 00:08:03.120 --> 00:08:08.360 you know, uh, supposed anti Christ character of it's useful 80 00:08:08.360 --> 00:08:12.920 to Washington's foreign policy. So we but we will also 81 00:08:13.199 --> 00:08:15.800 talk about I've got whole stacks of books that I'm 82 00:08:15.839 --> 00:08:18.439 gonna recommend. It's not going to be boring, but we 83 00:08:18.480 --> 00:08:22.920 will get into maybe some verses here and there. Uh. Oh, 84 00:08:22.959 --> 00:08:29.360 do we have John. We have John, We have John Sign. 85 00:08:29.480 --> 00:08:30.519 We have John Sign. 86 00:08:32.320 --> 00:08:33.480 A friend. 87 00:08:33.799 --> 00:08:36.840 I'm doing well, John. It's been many months since we talked, 88 00:08:36.919 --> 00:08:40.360 and we've already got us here. Just at the beginning, 89 00:08:40.440 --> 00:08:46.480 one hundred live nerds watching how are you? You know? 90 00:08:50.799 --> 00:08:57.440 Which see you on the. 91 00:08:57.559 --> 00:09:02.120 Is that? Uh? I always get your your Johnny Carson 92 00:09:02.200 --> 00:09:03.559 and your Alex mixed up? 93 00:09:04.279 --> 00:09:10.600 Yes, sometimes they say sometimes sometimes Uh the cross. 94 00:09:10.279 --> 00:09:13.759 Over, Well you do you do a you do a 95 00:09:13.799 --> 00:09:17.120 really good version of both? And uh. A lot of 96 00:09:17.120 --> 00:09:19.960 people in the chat are saying hello John. For those 97 00:09:20.000 --> 00:09:22.600 that might be new, yes I will. By the way 98 00:09:22.679 --> 00:09:25.840 I'm going on, people are saying, bring on Davis. Davis 99 00:09:25.879 --> 00:09:28.600 and I and Matt are going to be doing a 100 00:09:28.799 --> 00:09:33.039 live show Monday. I think John, tell us who you 101 00:09:33.080 --> 00:09:35.399 are and your site, what kind of work you do. 102 00:09:35.679 --> 00:09:37.600 For those that are not familiar with John. 103 00:09:37.399 --> 00:09:50.320 Adams, I am okay, hold on, Folksbusters call dot com and. 104 00:09:51.960 --> 00:09:57.200 Myself and my friend Chris Kendall, we talk about. 105 00:09:58.840 --> 00:10:01.120 Hey, John, Paul's one Secon and here we're getting echo. 106 00:10:01.279 --> 00:10:01.759 Let me. 107 00:10:03.360 --> 00:10:03.799 What's up? 108 00:10:06.360 --> 00:10:09.840 Let me fix the voice thing here. I think this 109 00:10:09.919 --> 00:10:14.200 should solve. Okay, does everybody hear John better? Now? 110 00:10:16.159 --> 00:10:17.919 Can you hear me? Can you hear me better? 111 00:10:19.399 --> 00:10:21.759 Okay? Yeah, everybody says this sounds good? Now. Okay, So, 112 00:10:22.240 --> 00:10:26.639 as we were saying, John is the guy from Hoastbusters, 113 00:10:26.720 --> 00:10:29.200 start over, John tell us new to tell all the 114 00:10:29.240 --> 00:10:32.080 new listeners watchers who you are and what you do. 115 00:10:33.679 --> 00:10:36.159 I co host the Afternoon Commute with Chris Kendall at 116 00:10:36.240 --> 00:10:42.399 Hoaxbusters Call dot com. Uh, it's a weekly podcast. We're 117 00:10:42.399 --> 00:10:47.159 on a hiatus for a little bit right now, taking 118 00:10:47.200 --> 00:10:49.840 it easy. But yeah, we if you go back into 119 00:10:49.879 --> 00:10:52.600 our archives, you can find we got something like five 120 00:10:52.679 --> 00:10:58.519 hundred calls that we've done together, done a lot of research, 121 00:10:59.200 --> 00:11:03.039 special reports. That's why you have me here to talk 122 00:11:03.080 --> 00:11:05.799 about one of the special reports that we did today. 123 00:11:07.000 --> 00:11:11.000 You've obviously been on numerous times, countless times with us, 124 00:11:11.440 --> 00:11:14.879 had some of the best calls we've ever had with you. 125 00:11:15.159 --> 00:11:18.559 So yeah, I'm sure a lot of the listeners to 126 00:11:18.879 --> 00:11:20.679 Jason Elysis are familiar with. 127 00:11:21.480 --> 00:11:22.559 The Mega the. 128 00:11:24.440 --> 00:11:26.559 Term you coined Mega Interview. 129 00:11:29.200 --> 00:11:31.320 I think we did kind of get that going because 130 00:11:31.399 --> 00:11:34.960 now if you've noticed what's the trend in YouTube is 131 00:11:35.200 --> 00:11:39.159 everybody's doing these like four or five six hour live streams. 132 00:11:39.240 --> 00:11:41.600 I mean, I'm not literally saying we started that before 133 00:11:41.639 --> 00:11:44.159 people go crazy, but we did do that, and we 134 00:11:44.159 --> 00:11:46.240 were having a lot of fun with those six hour 135 00:11:46.480 --> 00:11:51.399 epic marathon live streams. And now this is YouTube has 136 00:11:51.440 --> 00:11:54.080 gone crazy with debates. Now this is the hottest thing. 137 00:11:54.120 --> 00:11:56.320 Where was this ten years ago? I would have a 138 00:11:56.360 --> 00:11:59.320 million subscribers by now if I knew that there was 139 00:11:59.399 --> 00:12:01.759 live stream of eights ten years ago. Maybe there wasn't 140 00:12:01.840 --> 00:12:05.639 ten years ago. I don't know. Anyway, Tonight, we're here 141 00:12:05.879 --> 00:12:09.960 to discuss the most recent research that you've done. And 142 00:12:10.000 --> 00:12:11.879 I've listened to some of the podcasts that you've done, 143 00:12:12.080 --> 00:12:16.519 really good stuff. Really, it really drives well with information 144 00:12:16.720 --> 00:12:21.159 that I lived because I grew up in the evangelical 145 00:12:21.240 --> 00:12:24.240 pre millennial kind of mindset. I got really into that 146 00:12:24.279 --> 00:12:26.120 when I was eighteen or nineteen, and then I kind 147 00:12:26.120 --> 00:12:29.080 of grew out of it for various reasons. We're not 148 00:12:29.080 --> 00:12:31.360 going to go into all that per se, but what 149 00:12:31.399 --> 00:12:34.799 you focused on in your podcasts and in your talks 150 00:12:35.120 --> 00:12:39.080 was a lot of the geopolitical and kind of do beous, 151 00:12:39.200 --> 00:12:43.679 shady character aspects behind these guys who are so prominent 152 00:12:43.679 --> 00:12:46.600 and put up there for us to follow, like the 153 00:12:46.639 --> 00:12:49.600 hal Lindsay's in this kind of stuff. So maybe we 154 00:12:49.639 --> 00:12:52.440 can just dive right in and get into talking about 155 00:12:52.480 --> 00:12:55.399 some of these characters and seeing how ridiculous they are. 156 00:12:55.600 --> 00:12:57.840 And I thought I knew a lot about this, John, 157 00:12:57.879 --> 00:12:59.679 You're one of the most well read guys. I know. 158 00:13:00.440 --> 00:13:03.039 You had all kinds of facts about these guys that 159 00:13:03.080 --> 00:13:04.679 I had never heard that. It was just like who 160 00:13:04.759 --> 00:13:06.720 in their right mind I guess because people just don't 161 00:13:06.720 --> 00:13:08.879 know this, But who would in their right minds would 162 00:13:09.000 --> 00:13:12.279 listen to these people after being wrong so many zillions 163 00:13:12.279 --> 00:13:15.799 of times? And I was particularly cracking up at how 164 00:13:15.960 --> 00:13:19.840 Lindsey's scheme of like the rapture's coming and then the 165 00:13:19.879 --> 00:13:23.840 money that comes in. He's like investing in property in Malibu. 166 00:13:24.240 --> 00:13:27.399 I was cracking me up. So John, tell us about 167 00:13:27.679 --> 00:13:29.360 these characters, just dive right in. 168 00:13:31.559 --> 00:13:40.720 Well, just to preface it, around the nineteen fifties sixties 169 00:13:40.759 --> 00:13:45.840 around there, you see a trend with the church kind 170 00:13:45.840 --> 00:13:51.559 of you know, streaming across all particular denominations. I guess 171 00:13:51.639 --> 00:13:55.840 you know, Lutheran, Methodist, all that type of stuff, and 172 00:13:56.200 --> 00:13:59.600 for the most part, they you know, worship services kind 173 00:13:59.600 --> 00:14:04.480 of standardized to a certain extent. I'm just given a generalization. 174 00:14:05.200 --> 00:14:07.879 By the way, I don't claim to be a religious expert. 175 00:14:10.159 --> 00:14:13.279 My knowledge of religion is only empirical and you know, 176 00:14:13.320 --> 00:14:21.279 I've read the Bible two times, so they have a 177 00:14:21.279 --> 00:14:23.919 standardized kind of worship service no matter what denomination you 178 00:14:24.000 --> 00:14:26.639 kind of go into. It's kind of similar. And by 179 00:14:26.639 --> 00:14:31.360 the time the nineteen sixties and the you know, the 180 00:14:31.399 --> 00:14:36.159 culture changed, the you know, radical leftist type stuff starts 181 00:14:36.159 --> 00:14:41.679 popping into the mainline culture, you know, in academia and 182 00:14:41.919 --> 00:14:46.240 just in pop culture and whatnot, it starts to actually 183 00:14:46.320 --> 00:14:49.679 leak over into the church. And I'm suspicious as to 184 00:14:49.720 --> 00:14:52.080 whether the you know, churches were being led down this 185 00:14:52.159 --> 00:14:54.360 path right on purpose. 186 00:14:54.879 --> 00:14:55.919 And one of the one. 187 00:14:55.759 --> 00:14:57.720 Of the things you start to see pop up is 188 00:14:57.960 --> 00:15:04.360 youth groups and you know, the churches, you know, I 189 00:15:04.679 --> 00:15:07.320 would i would say for the most part, churches probably 190 00:15:07.399 --> 00:15:11.720 during that time period align themselves with anti communist type stuff, right, 191 00:15:11.759 --> 00:15:16.080 And I'd say the average pew dweller didn't realize that, 192 00:15:17.519 --> 00:15:20.799 you know, maybe similar things were kind of seeping into 193 00:15:20.840 --> 00:15:26.320 their church like youth groups, youth you know, youth oriented 194 00:15:26.399 --> 00:15:31.320 type stuff. So worship services were changing where you know, 195 00:15:32.799 --> 00:15:37.639 teenagers or pre teens as they're called down those type 196 00:15:37.919 --> 00:15:40.200 they would you know, go out of the service and 197 00:15:40.240 --> 00:15:45.960 then go into a youth oriented type things, separating the 198 00:15:46.080 --> 00:15:49.919 children from the parents and then thus creating a kind 199 00:15:50.000 --> 00:15:57.039 of like, I don't know, maybe like a more dumbed 200 00:15:57.039 --> 00:15:59.279 down kind of thing for the kids. 201 00:15:59.320 --> 00:16:02.039 It is, You're absolutely right. This is the history of 202 00:16:02.120 --> 00:16:07.600 Sunday School, which was a Protestant invention to kind of 203 00:16:07.600 --> 00:16:11.080 have tailored messages for different groups, niche markets, and it 204 00:16:11.120 --> 00:16:13.960 really reflects kind of a market view of how to 205 00:16:14.000 --> 00:16:15.919 do the church and this kind of stuff. And actually, 206 00:16:16.919 --> 00:16:19.200 this is not just going to be an orthodox type 207 00:16:19.360 --> 00:16:22.200 podcast or discussion here, but I will say, just because 208 00:16:22.200 --> 00:16:24.720 it's relevant to your point that this has been a 209 00:16:24.720 --> 00:16:28.519 long time criticism of Orthodoxy, is that even going back 210 00:16:28.519 --> 00:16:31.000 to the Roman Catholic Church in the Middle Ages, around 211 00:16:31.039 --> 00:16:33.960 the time of the Carolinians, you have a change in 212 00:16:34.000 --> 00:16:36.919 practice to where prior to that it was normative for 213 00:16:37.120 --> 00:16:39.799 children to participate in the fullness of all the sacraments, 214 00:16:39.799 --> 00:16:42.519 even infants. And that's why the Orthodox Church, for example, 215 00:16:42.559 --> 00:16:46.960 always continues the practice of pedal communion infants take communion. 216 00:16:47.000 --> 00:16:51.080 Even this changed nobody tout debates this about nine hundred 217 00:16:51.200 --> 00:16:54.840 or roughly in the Latin Church. And then you kind 218 00:16:54.840 --> 00:16:57.559 of have that tendency in the Protestant churches to continue 219 00:16:57.559 --> 00:17:03.840 that tradition of splitting groups and people off into different sections, 220 00:17:03.840 --> 00:17:08.799 to have children's church, to have Sunday school. And it's 221 00:17:08.839 --> 00:17:11.240 not that there's a problem with having some sort of 222 00:17:11.240 --> 00:17:13.839 Bible study before church. That's not the point. The point 223 00:17:13.920 --> 00:17:19.480 is that this was a kind of intentional I would say, uh, separation, 224 00:17:19.640 --> 00:17:23.279 separation of groups out of what would be for us 225 00:17:23.359 --> 00:17:26.799 communal worship. So I think you're absolutely right there. I 226 00:17:26.839 --> 00:17:30.119 was glad when you noticed that that that actually and yes, 227 00:17:30.160 --> 00:17:32.440 you're correct that even in the Protestant world, in the 228 00:17:32.519 --> 00:17:38.559 Roman Catholic world, this in America became more prevalent, this 229 00:17:38.799 --> 00:17:41.480 splitting off in the invention of children's church and Sunday 230 00:17:41.480 --> 00:17:43.960 school and all this stuff, precisely because as it got 231 00:17:44.000 --> 00:17:46.279 into the Cold War period, they really wanted, i think, 232 00:17:46.359 --> 00:17:52.160 to to alter the landscape of America not just through 233 00:17:54.599 --> 00:17:58.119 the pop culture, but it also through the churches and 234 00:17:58.160 --> 00:18:00.359 that was That's what's so crucial. And if you do, 235 00:18:00.519 --> 00:18:03.880 if you read weim Hoff's book that Tim Kelly has done, 236 00:18:03.960 --> 00:18:06.960 you know, interviews with this guy, this really demonstrates this 237 00:18:07.000 --> 00:18:09.599 point powerfully from the Catholic perspective that even in the 238 00:18:09.599 --> 00:18:12.279 Catholic Church, this was this was the case. So that 239 00:18:12.400 --> 00:18:15.680 was a long rant. Go ahead, John, No, that's fine. 240 00:18:17.319 --> 00:18:19.640 You know, I did this talk with Chris, and I 241 00:18:19.640 --> 00:18:23.359 did this talk with Tim Kelly as well, So I 242 00:18:23.559 --> 00:18:27.720 welcome your input and the extra things you can add 243 00:18:27.720 --> 00:18:32.680 are definitely welcomed. Yeah, Sunday School is an invention you're 244 00:18:32.759 --> 00:18:38.640 right of southern California. Interestingly enough, at the extensive research Chris, 245 00:18:38.720 --> 00:18:41.640 Chris and I have talked about Southern California comes from 246 00:18:41.680 --> 00:18:46.240 a lady by the name of Henrietta Meres, and she 247 00:18:47.279 --> 00:18:50.680 kind of pushed this idea of Sunday School out into 248 00:18:51.279 --> 00:18:56.720 the world. And she was actually the mentor to to 249 00:18:56.759 --> 00:19:02.160 Bill Bright, the creator of the campus for crusades for Christ. Yeah, 250 00:19:02.200 --> 00:19:09.720 she was also very she played a big role in 251 00:19:10.720 --> 00:19:14.759 the Billy Graham Crusades when Billy Graham was first coming 252 00:19:14.799 --> 00:19:18.920 out in like, you know, late nineteen forties. She used 253 00:19:18.920 --> 00:19:26.720 for Sunday School to kind of push his ministry. She 254 00:19:26.920 --> 00:19:34.000 was also very have you know, she was very helpful 255 00:19:34.000 --> 00:19:38.279 to Ronald Reagan too with his governor and his presidential 256 00:19:39.000 --> 00:19:43.559 election and whatnot. These you'll see these characters throughout this US, 257 00:19:43.920 --> 00:19:48.119 you know, throughout this discussion kind of popping and out here. 258 00:19:48.160 --> 00:19:51.279 But getting back to the worship service. By the time 259 00:19:51.279 --> 00:19:56.519 you get into the late nineteen sixties, you start to 260 00:19:56.599 --> 00:20:04.039 see this kind of bellion against traditional worship service kind 261 00:20:04.079 --> 00:20:10.759 of come in. And one thing you see out of 262 00:20:10.799 --> 00:20:13.319 this is you start to see these new kind of 263 00:20:14.480 --> 00:20:19.720 forms of worship service, you know, church start to take place. 264 00:20:20.079 --> 00:20:23.240 Uh and uh, no, are you are you're talking about 265 00:20:23.279 --> 00:20:26.240 like the non dominant, the rise of non denominational churches 266 00:20:26.279 --> 00:20:27.839 and strip mall churches. 267 00:20:28.400 --> 00:20:33.279 Absolutely yes, Uh industrial park churches. Uh that's where I 268 00:20:33.319 --> 00:20:34.960 went to church, in an industrial park. 269 00:20:38.759 --> 00:20:39.359 Uh. Yeah. 270 00:20:39.400 --> 00:20:42.400 So you see you see this rise of oh, we 271 00:20:42.440 --> 00:20:45.599 don't want we don't want steeples, we don't want old 272 00:20:45.680 --> 00:20:49.400 people and pews, we want young people with long hair 273 00:20:49.480 --> 00:20:52.920 and sandals and ex hippies and ex druggies and all 274 00:20:52.920 --> 00:20:56.839 that type of stuff. Not knocking that. Like I said, 275 00:20:56.880 --> 00:21:00.680 I grew up around that type stuff, good people. This 276 00:21:00.720 --> 00:21:04.759 has nothing to do with people's evangelical beliefs or anything 277 00:21:04.960 --> 00:21:08.400 by myself. I'm not a religious person. I was raised religious, 278 00:21:08.440 --> 00:21:14.519 but I don't go with any particular belief system. But 279 00:21:15.559 --> 00:21:19.559 so I'm just looking at it objectively, and so with 280 00:21:21.519 --> 00:21:24.799 these people who were true believers. I believe that this 281 00:21:24.920 --> 00:21:28.119 movement was created and used for something a little bit 282 00:21:28.200 --> 00:21:32.680 later down the line, into the nineteen eighties. It created 283 00:21:32.720 --> 00:21:36.880 this idea of an apocalyptic religion. It was people were 284 00:21:36.960 --> 00:21:39.920 primed for this, and it wasn't only the church, it 285 00:21:39.960 --> 00:21:41.759 was the culture in general was kind of primed for 286 00:21:41.799 --> 00:21:46.400 this apocalypse. You know, Charles Manson is you know, having 287 00:21:46.440 --> 00:21:51.079 people murdered everywhere, and you know it's the end of 288 00:21:51.119 --> 00:21:55.200 the world. People are on drugs, Oh my gosh. This 289 00:21:55.319 --> 00:21:58.279 was also used as something to get people into the church. 290 00:21:58.359 --> 00:22:00.440 It's like, hey, the end of the world is, so 291 00:22:00.480 --> 00:22:04.319 you better, you better get in there. It was also 292 00:22:04.480 --> 00:22:10.559 used by the campus crusades and promoted throughout this this 293 00:22:10.799 --> 00:22:15.440 particular type of evangelicism. You saw the rise of this 294 00:22:15.519 --> 00:22:20.160 kind of new thing of being born again, and born 295 00:22:20.200 --> 00:22:24.799 again didn't always apply to non believers. It was actually 296 00:22:24.839 --> 00:22:28.319 to other believers. You see, it wasn't good enough that 297 00:22:28.400 --> 00:22:30.839 you were a Christian. You had to be born again, 298 00:22:30.920 --> 00:22:34.480 you had accept the Holy Spirit, the Holy you know, 299 00:22:34.519 --> 00:22:36.920 if you didn't accept the Holy Spirit, you weren't doing 300 00:22:36.960 --> 00:22:39.480 it the right way. If you read Bill Bright's book. 301 00:22:39.599 --> 00:22:42.279 If you read Bill Bright's book, he actually says that 302 00:22:42.319 --> 00:22:45.039 this is kind of a tactic that you need, you know, 303 00:22:45.079 --> 00:22:49.920 you need to go out and proselytize to believers because they're. 304 00:22:49.720 --> 00:22:52.559 Doing it wrong. That's a great point, Yeah, that the 305 00:22:52.920 --> 00:22:56.720 charismatic movement will figure into this in a big way, 306 00:22:56.880 --> 00:23:00.480 because I think you can very easily say from the 307 00:23:00.599 --> 00:23:03.079 entire history of the Charismatic movement that it was something 308 00:23:03.079 --> 00:23:07.720 that was co opted. And while you're talking about Bill Bright, 309 00:23:07.799 --> 00:23:11.480 it reminds me there's a great chapter in Ingdahl's newest book, 310 00:23:12.440 --> 00:23:18.200 Lost Hegemon, where he discusses the CIA intentionally choosing and 311 00:23:18.319 --> 00:23:21.519 using not just Billy Graham and the Billy Graham crusade 312 00:23:22.680 --> 00:23:27.480 because but also uh the that that the Pentagon is 313 00:23:27.559 --> 00:23:31.559 who initially put the money into campus crusade. And so 314 00:23:31.640 --> 00:23:34.119 you're absolutely right, this is in the period of the 315 00:23:34.119 --> 00:23:36.559 Cold War and it was so it's part of that, 316 00:23:36.880 --> 00:23:40.359 you know, evil Empire dialectic that the Pentagon was putting 317 00:23:40.359 --> 00:23:43.039 so much money into. And that's what that's where you 318 00:23:43.079 --> 00:23:46.200 get the rise of the moral majority, the rise of 319 00:23:46.240 --> 00:23:51.279 the Evangelical Protestant dominionist movement, who originally links up with 320 00:23:52.599 --> 00:23:56.880 kat Robertson kat Robertson, Yeah. 321 00:23:57.759 --> 00:24:00.759 Yeah, yeah, yeah. You started to steal all the all 322 00:24:00.799 --> 00:24:04.400 this stuff starts to come about all at the same time. 323 00:24:05.480 --> 00:24:08.319 Really like you know, by the end of the seventies 324 00:24:08.359 --> 00:24:12.680 into the early eighties, it all you know, rises up 325 00:24:12.720 --> 00:24:16.119 around Reagan and we and so you have this generation 326 00:24:16.200 --> 00:24:20.160 of people from you know, nineteen sixty seven to nineteen 327 00:24:21.079 --> 00:24:26.559 eighty who were kind of primed for this period. There 328 00:24:26.599 --> 00:24:29.000 wasn't going to be an apocalypse. I mean, I'm my 329 00:24:29.119 --> 00:24:33.000 parents believe that there was, you know, people in the pews. 330 00:24:33.039 --> 00:24:36.119 I'm sure there were actual preachers who did believe that 331 00:24:36.160 --> 00:24:39.119 there was going to be one. But a lot of 332 00:24:39.160 --> 00:24:42.200 this comes from a book called The Late Great Planet 333 00:24:42.240 --> 00:24:47.799 Earth that was written by hol Lindsay in nineteen seventy one, 334 00:24:48.160 --> 00:24:54.119 and it's a it's a ridiculous books. It's a hilarious 335 00:24:54.160 --> 00:24:58.400 book to read now, and to think that he's updated 336 00:24:58.400 --> 00:25:01.640 it every you know, two years or whatever every time. 337 00:25:03.680 --> 00:25:05.880 Yeah, I was just I was just looking on YouTube 338 00:25:06.400 --> 00:25:09.160 a few minutes ago and if you if you, if 339 00:25:09.200 --> 00:25:12.599 you google Hal Lindsay, you'll find the Prophecy Report, Hawle 340 00:25:12.599 --> 00:25:14.279 Lindsay Report or whatever it is. And it's like it's 341 00:25:14.359 --> 00:25:18.480 still like he's still running this game. He's like still 342 00:25:18.519 --> 00:25:20.920 making bank on the Prophecy. You would think that it 343 00:25:20.960 --> 00:25:23.920 would die away and that people would but no, it's like, 344 00:25:24.000 --> 00:25:27.000 how does Jim Baker come back on and have a 345 00:25:27.200 --> 00:25:29.480 TV show? How does Jimmy Swagger come back and have 346 00:25:29.519 --> 00:25:32.839 a TV show? Hole Lindsey still pimping the rapture. 347 00:25:34.480 --> 00:25:36.160 Yeah, and even some of the. 348 00:25:39.599 --> 00:25:40.240 I remember. 349 00:25:40.240 --> 00:25:42.440 I remember I don't know if Howlens has ever been 350 00:25:42.440 --> 00:25:44.960 on Alex Jones or anything, but I remember Alex Jones 351 00:25:45.000 --> 00:25:50.079 saying once he had he had Joseph Farrell on one time, 352 00:25:50.279 --> 00:25:52.920 and I remember he said he would love to get 353 00:25:52.920 --> 00:25:54.799 how Lindsay on and how great of a book Late 354 00:25:54.839 --> 00:25:55.599 Great Planet Earth? 355 00:25:58.759 --> 00:26:03.279 That book well me up as unbelievable, folks. The Rapture 356 00:26:03.440 --> 00:26:06.559 is coming. The only thing I'm worried about is if 357 00:26:06.559 --> 00:26:09.240 the Rapture happens, am I gonna be on the can? 358 00:26:09.400 --> 00:26:11.880 Will I be clothed. What if I'm in the shower. 359 00:26:12.759 --> 00:26:18.920 I'm sure how as a theologian could answer those difficult questions. 360 00:26:18.079 --> 00:26:22.240 Folks, What if the rapture comes? What am I gonna 361 00:26:22.240 --> 00:26:26.480 do with all the Superman vitality? If there's nobody to 362 00:26:26.480 --> 00:26:31.279 sell it to, I'm just gonna have to eat it myself. Yeah, 363 00:26:31.319 --> 00:26:35.839 so how Yeah, Hal Lindsey, he writes this book, and 364 00:26:36.119 --> 00:26:39.119 there's a great article. Everybody can go look it up. 365 00:26:39.160 --> 00:26:42.720 It was put out by Humanities magazine. It was winner 366 00:26:42.759 --> 00:26:51.839 of twenty seventeen Excellent Article and it's basically goes over. 367 00:26:53.920 --> 00:26:57.640 It was coincidental because it was a great article, because 368 00:26:58.240 --> 00:27:00.079 this is kind of stuff I've been looking at for 369 00:27:00.119 --> 00:27:05.599 about two years, and I read this article on mom man. 370 00:27:05.720 --> 00:27:07.720 This is all. This is basically everything I've been looking 371 00:27:07.759 --> 00:27:10.039 at for two years condensed down in one article here. 372 00:27:10.319 --> 00:27:12.519 So yeah, Humanity these magazine, you can find that article 373 00:27:12.519 --> 00:27:14.640 on how Lindsay and the apocalyptic religion. 374 00:27:16.000 --> 00:27:19.480 And real quick, let me add so for the people 375 00:27:19.519 --> 00:27:23.759 that are watching that, we've already had some super chats 376 00:27:23.839 --> 00:27:27.000 come in and if you want to really get some 377 00:27:27.119 --> 00:27:30.920 questions at the end, the way to get me to 378 00:27:31.200 --> 00:27:33.599 read the questions is to send a super chat, doesn't 379 00:27:33.599 --> 00:27:36.599 matter what amount, any amount, and we will read the 380 00:27:36.680 --> 00:27:39.720 questions and we'll answer them later on when we get 381 00:27:39.799 --> 00:27:43.640 kind of done with the interview part. But so, so, 382 00:27:44.599 --> 00:27:47.440 you were talking about how Lindsey you were talking about 383 00:27:48.640 --> 00:27:51.359 in the interviews that I've heard you do on this 384 00:27:51.440 --> 00:27:54.319 subject matter, and it's it's it's crucial. I think it's 385 00:27:54.400 --> 00:28:00.039 vital to understand the Pentagon's influence here and if you 386 00:28:00.079 --> 00:28:02.400 look at the colts. I don't mean to change the subject, 387 00:28:02.400 --> 00:28:06.799 but I did want to say this earlier. You've done 388 00:28:06.799 --> 00:28:09.119 a lot of work when it comes to southern California 389 00:28:09.160 --> 00:28:13.960 and California being the mecca for alternative religious movements. What 390 00:28:14.000 --> 00:28:16.960 I'm wondering is, and I think you would probably agree, 391 00:28:17.000 --> 00:28:19.440 but when you look at the cults like the Jesus People, 392 00:28:19.960 --> 00:28:22.680 and then out of them comes the Children of God 393 00:28:22.799 --> 00:28:27.559 with Moses, David Berg and his pedophile, Hollywood connected group 394 00:28:27.920 --> 00:28:30.119 of you know, the Family of God family stuff, where 395 00:28:31.079 --> 00:28:34.279 River Phoenix, Rose McGowan come out of this cult, I 396 00:28:34.319 --> 00:28:37.799 think that it's clear that the Jesus People, which spawns 397 00:28:37.880 --> 00:28:42.559 kind of this modern third wave of charismaticism, which spawns 398 00:28:42.559 --> 00:28:46.279 the non denominational movement and then the Emergent Church. Believe 399 00:28:46.279 --> 00:28:49.839 it or not, this is also roughly the origins of 400 00:28:50.000 --> 00:28:53.680 what's nowaday called the Emergent Church, which I think is 401 00:28:53.680 --> 00:28:58.359 a complete total intelligence operation, There's no question about it. 402 00:28:58.799 --> 00:29:01.680 You look into the people who who were founding figures 403 00:29:01.680 --> 00:29:04.960 in the Emergent Church, you'll find the same patterns of 404 00:29:05.000 --> 00:29:08.200 all the cults. It's people who had, you know, high 405 00:29:08.319 --> 00:29:12.599 level intelligence connections CIA connections. And then, of course when 406 00:29:12.640 --> 00:29:14.799 we get into more of the geopolitical stuff, we'll also 407 00:29:14.839 --> 00:29:18.079 see other foreign policy. We'll see kind of a Zionist 408 00:29:18.480 --> 00:29:23.000 element obviously involved in the pre millennial type stuff. You'll 409 00:29:23.039 --> 00:29:27.400 see Washington's foreign policy loving the Russia is Gog and 410 00:29:27.440 --> 00:29:31.279 magog stuff. But what do you think about the Pentagon 411 00:29:31.400 --> 00:29:36.400 CIA having a direct link to the like the California 412 00:29:36.480 --> 00:29:41.079 cult movement and the evangelical stuff that came from it. 413 00:29:44.480 --> 00:29:48.200 You're a little bit more well read on that direct connection. Actually, 414 00:29:48.240 --> 00:29:52.519 when I brought up the William Engal stuff with Tim 415 00:29:52.559 --> 00:29:54.720 on the last one, didn't. I didn't talk about that 416 00:29:54.799 --> 00:29:57.920 with Chris, but that was only because you had told 417 00:29:58.000 --> 00:29:58.559 me about it. 418 00:30:01.680 --> 00:30:03.480 But that's cool though, because but but I mean, I 419 00:30:03.519 --> 00:30:07.240 think you have done a lot about the alternative religious movements, 420 00:30:07.240 --> 00:30:09.720 and I think that all I'm saying is that the 421 00:30:09.759 --> 00:30:11.839 reason it might not be surprising is that, you know, 422 00:30:11.960 --> 00:30:14.359 California is a test bad you You've talked about that 423 00:30:14.400 --> 00:30:14.680 a lot. 424 00:30:16.000 --> 00:30:16.559 Absolutely. 425 00:30:16.720 --> 00:30:16.920 Yeah. 426 00:30:17.000 --> 00:30:20.519 I mean it all comes out of the same area. 427 00:30:20.599 --> 00:30:26.519 I mean Sunset Boulevard right at the base of Laurel Canyon, Yeah, 428 00:30:27.000 --> 00:30:30.880 which of course is right where you know, Lookout Mountain 429 00:30:31.240 --> 00:30:36.920 was where they were faking all the nuke footage. Uh 430 00:30:37.720 --> 00:30:41.799 that is ground zero for Jesus people and people walking 431 00:30:41.839 --> 00:30:46.839 around passing out tracks and uh you know all that 432 00:30:46.880 --> 00:30:49.960 type of all that type stuff. Children of God called 433 00:30:50.319 --> 00:30:56.319 lots of I mean lots of different religious cults, you know, 434 00:30:56.400 --> 00:31:02.039 kind of based around Jesus. Necessarily they weren't Christian cults, 435 00:31:02.079 --> 00:31:05.720 but they were what was the other one? The Love 436 00:31:06.079 --> 00:31:07.960 cult was another one. 437 00:31:08.319 --> 00:31:11.440 Yeah. Uh yeah. 438 00:31:10.519 --> 00:31:16.359 I Alan's son joined them where you know, like everybody. 439 00:31:15.480 --> 00:31:18.160 And he he took he took acid and saw himself 440 00:31:18.200 --> 00:31:20.960 as like this yeah new religious figure. 441 00:31:21.079 --> 00:31:26.720 Yeah yeah, so uh yeah, there's LSD Jesus cults right, 442 00:31:28.920 --> 00:31:33.720 so sort the source was another cult around that area 443 00:31:33.839 --> 00:31:37.480 around that time that kind of you know, it was 444 00:31:37.519 --> 00:31:41.400 like a guy. He had like like thirteen wives or 445 00:31:41.400 --> 00:31:44.039 something like that, and they owned a vegetarian restaurant on 446 00:31:44.119 --> 00:31:48.240 Sunset Boulevard. If you watch the movie Annie Hall, mm hmm, 447 00:31:49.240 --> 00:31:51.440 there's a scene where Woody On and Diane Keaton or 448 00:31:51.440 --> 00:31:55.039 eating at the Source restaurant, and that's actually owned by 449 00:31:55.240 --> 00:31:56.279 a CIA cult. 450 00:31:57.119 --> 00:32:00.920 Wow, I did not know that. Okay. So another good 451 00:32:00.920 --> 00:32:03.720 point that somebody mentioned the chat and yes, I was 452 00:32:04.039 --> 00:32:07.759 actually going to mention the history of the Schofield Bible. 453 00:32:07.759 --> 00:32:14.279 So the Scorefield Bible goes back to John Nelson Darby, 454 00:32:14.359 --> 00:32:17.240 and Darby was in the cult Plymouth Brethren. And you 455 00:32:17.319 --> 00:32:19.640 might recognize another famous figure who grew up in the 456 00:32:19.640 --> 00:32:23.759 Plymouth Brethren named Alister Crowley. So the Plymouth Brethren are 457 00:32:24.240 --> 00:32:28.559 very good at spawning other cult leaders. But yes, so 458 00:32:28.640 --> 00:32:32.400 there was an Anglican. The reason that Oxford Prince the 459 00:32:32.440 --> 00:32:37.200 Schofield Bible is because there was this British imperial influence 460 00:32:37.359 --> 00:32:42.079 obviously in the printing of that Bible. Not accidental that 461 00:32:43.519 --> 00:32:47.160 you have the establishment of Balfour Declaration, the establishment of 462 00:32:47.160 --> 00:32:49.880 State of Israel. You need a study Bible to convince 463 00:32:49.920 --> 00:32:54.839 all the idiot evangelicals in America to just blindly accept that. So, yes, 464 00:32:54.920 --> 00:32:57.359 all that's true. Pearl Off has covered that for a 465 00:32:57.400 --> 00:33:00.319 long time, and everything that Pearloff says about that's act. 466 00:33:00.400 --> 00:33:02.319 I learned this by the way back when I was 467 00:33:02.319 --> 00:33:06.319 in evangelical and I was like, holy crap. One last point. 468 00:33:06.359 --> 00:33:11.519 I'll let you chime back in John in in Ingdolf's book. 469 00:33:11.599 --> 00:33:13.440 And I'm not saying I agree with everything in this book, 470 00:33:13.480 --> 00:33:15.799 but I think that he has made some good connections 471 00:33:15.799 --> 00:33:18.640 that a lot of other people haven't made. And I 472 00:33:18.680 --> 00:33:21.960 didn't actually know that Campus Crusade had this connection until 473 00:33:22.119 --> 00:33:24.720 he and he sources his claims here. It's not just 474 00:33:24.799 --> 00:33:27.440 him saying it, but he talks about how one of 475 00:33:27.440 --> 00:33:30.160 the I'm amost read briefly, he says one of the 476 00:33:30.200 --> 00:33:34.119 most influential as well as well financed organizations is the 477 00:33:34.160 --> 00:33:38.359 Military Ministry and their affiliate, the Campus Crusade for Christ. 478 00:33:38.519 --> 00:33:43.279 Military Ministry had an annual budget of five hundred million dollars. 479 00:33:44.240 --> 00:33:48.200 Five hundred million dollars for Campus Crusade. That's crazy. They 480 00:33:48.240 --> 00:33:50.799 had a branch branch offices at all of the US 481 00:33:50.920 --> 00:33:54.200 Army bases as well as all overseas. Bible study programs 482 00:33:54.519 --> 00:33:58.480 globally uh, and they are a mirror. This is this 483 00:33:58.599 --> 00:34:04.440 is wild of Fetula Gulin his Quran study groups. So 484 00:34:04.720 --> 00:34:08.639 the Gulin network that everybody was talking about eight months 485 00:34:08.639 --> 00:34:11.280 a year ago, all the alt media was talking about 486 00:34:11.360 --> 00:34:15.119 him Ingdahl is arguing that it's the exact same pattern 487 00:34:15.280 --> 00:34:18.880 that you see with the evangelical groups. So then he 488 00:34:18.920 --> 00:34:23.639 goes on to say that this was very important too. 489 00:34:23.920 --> 00:34:27.400 In Desert Storm, and right after Desert Storm, the peak 490 00:34:27.440 --> 00:34:32.039 of the Iraqi insurgency, Petraeus Steel, all of these big 491 00:34:32.079 --> 00:34:36.480 neocon types were openly saying, quote, we must pursue our 492 00:34:36.639 --> 00:34:40.159 means for transforming the nation through the military. The military 493 00:34:40.159 --> 00:34:43.559 may be the most influential way to affect the spiritual 494 00:34:43.639 --> 00:34:48.280 superstructure of America. Thus, the military ministry inside the US 495 00:34:48.440 --> 00:34:53.199 spread this crusader fanaticism that America is, you know, going 496 00:34:53.239 --> 00:34:58.639 to war against the jihad, right, it's the Christian evangelicals. 497 00:34:58.960 --> 00:35:01.760 What was Bush's then, where should go find a jihad 498 00:35:02.159 --> 00:35:05.519 and find that jah against the mushrooms, Jehattish and the 499 00:35:05.599 --> 00:35:06.800 mustard gases. 500 00:35:08.079 --> 00:35:18.800 Crusade? Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's well to get to give 501 00:35:18.840 --> 00:35:22.719 an empirical example of something backing you up. Is I 502 00:35:22.840 --> 00:35:30.239 remember there was a conference in California. There's two, there 503 00:35:30.280 --> 00:35:32.840 was two that I remember, but there was one and 504 00:35:33.000 --> 00:35:35.960 it was a guy we'll talk about in a minute, 505 00:35:35.960 --> 00:35:41.039 but is Chuck Smith, Rick Warren, Uh, you know, all 506 00:35:41.079 --> 00:35:46.320 the California pastors around here. And they were meeting with 507 00:35:47.239 --> 00:35:51.400 Republican senators. This is this is around two thousand and six, 508 00:35:51.559 --> 00:35:55.039 somewhere around there. But they were they were meeting with 509 00:35:55.039 --> 00:35:59.360 with you know, like Mike Huckabee and uh, you know, 510 00:36:02.199 --> 00:36:08.119 other neo conservative types at that time. And what I 511 00:36:08.199 --> 00:36:10.400 what I remember reading about it is that it was 512 00:36:10.599 --> 00:36:16.800 literally like a talking points meeting and like, you know, 513 00:36:16.840 --> 00:36:22.840 they were gonna they were discussing, you know, the church's 514 00:36:23.000 --> 00:36:30.920 role in propagating uh you know, military you know, uh, 515 00:36:33.320 --> 00:36:34.039 you know, foreign. 516 00:36:33.760 --> 00:36:36.440 Policy exactly exactly right. So, in other words, people think 517 00:36:36.480 --> 00:36:39.239 we have a separation of church and state, and they 518 00:36:39.280 --> 00:36:43.199 have no conception of the long time marriage between the 519 00:36:43.239 --> 00:36:46.880 Deep Day, the Pentagon and all of the biggest evangelical movements, 520 00:36:46.960 --> 00:36:50.760 especially wem Hoff shows that it's also Catholicism, and I'm 521 00:36:50.800 --> 00:36:54.119 not denying that there are aspects of Orthodoxy that that 522 00:36:54.199 --> 00:36:56.840 have been infected with this well as well. Hence the 523 00:36:56.880 --> 00:37:01.199 battle over Acumenism and Orthodoxy. Acumen as one hundred percent 524 00:37:01.360 --> 00:37:05.599 the Rockefeller CIA funded thing. But anyway, so yeah, so 525 00:37:05.639 --> 00:37:08.679 you've got another good example there of a meeting that 526 00:37:08.679 --> 00:37:10.159 I didn't know about. But I think that that kind 527 00:37:10.159 --> 00:37:12.239 of stuff is more common than we think. 528 00:37:12.920 --> 00:37:15.719 Very common. That was a nothing meeting, that was just 529 00:37:15.800 --> 00:37:18.280 like a whatever. I mean, that stuff goes on all 530 00:37:18.320 --> 00:37:20.559 the time. The one, the one that I remember the 531 00:37:20.599 --> 00:37:24.559 most is two thousand and seven. I used to have 532 00:37:24.599 --> 00:37:26.519 a I used to have a photo of this, but 533 00:37:26.559 --> 00:37:28.760 I don't anymore. I wish I still did. I've looked 534 00:37:28.760 --> 00:37:32.119 for it, but it was that the Crystal Cathedral. I 535 00:37:32.199 --> 00:37:34.360 used to work across the street from the Chrystal Cathedral 536 00:37:34.360 --> 00:37:35.079 and the Orange. 537 00:37:35.280 --> 00:37:37.480 Oh this is great. Yeah, see I forgot. I totally 538 00:37:37.519 --> 00:37:39.960 forgot about Schuler and the Crystal Cathedral. But yeah, man, 539 00:37:40.000 --> 00:37:41.800 that's another rabbit hole. Tell us about that. 540 00:37:42.599 --> 00:37:47.960 Yeah, And this one was I drive by one day 541 00:37:47.960 --> 00:37:51.079 and there's a banner out front and it says they're 542 00:37:51.119 --> 00:37:55.880 having a conference there and speaking There was Brent Scoutcraft, 543 00:37:56.119 --> 00:37:58.320 Henry Kissinger, and George H. W. 544 00:37:58.880 --> 00:38:01.320 Bush at the Crystal Cathedral. 545 00:38:01.840 --> 00:38:04.480 At the Chrystal Cathedral, they were they were giving they 546 00:38:04.480 --> 00:38:08.519 were speaking. It was a conference and they were having 547 00:38:08.719 --> 00:38:11.519 pastors from the from southern California. 548 00:38:11.800 --> 00:38:14.480 Could you imagine Henry Kissinger speaking in tongues like if 549 00:38:14.480 --> 00:38:18.880 you got Roberts atle bit bit of it would sounds 550 00:38:18.880 --> 00:38:20.559 like a motor boat, like you know, like a trolling 551 00:38:20.639 --> 00:38:34.000 motor yah. Just uh yeah, the. 552 00:38:36.280 --> 00:38:38.679 Yes, I mean like like you're saying, yeah, these conferences 553 00:38:38.719 --> 00:38:40.639 are going on all the time where these you know 554 00:38:41.280 --> 00:38:44.559 CEFI members. Rick warrens a Council and Formulations member. 555 00:38:45.079 --> 00:38:46.960 That's a good point. A lot of people forget that. 556 00:38:47.199 --> 00:38:50.440 Yeah, even though he's no longer the pastor, he was 557 00:38:50.639 --> 00:38:55.079 the you know pastor for a long time of Saddleback 558 00:38:56.239 --> 00:38:57.719 uh Saddleback Church. 559 00:38:58.360 --> 00:39:02.559 And that's the largest uh non dominational church, isn't it? 560 00:39:03.760 --> 00:39:06.320 Absolutely yeah Vegas. Yeah. 561 00:39:07.199 --> 00:39:12.559 And that he hosted the Obama McCain debate at the church. 562 00:39:13.519 --> 00:39:14.960 Oh I did not know that. 563 00:39:15.559 --> 00:39:17.800 Yeah, in the church. There was actually one of the 564 00:39:18.400 --> 00:39:24.400 McCain Obama debates were hosted by Rick Warren in the 565 00:39:24.599 --> 00:39:30.199 church like it was a church service. Go back and 566 00:39:30.440 --> 00:39:34.320 find the usually happening. Do you have a count Council 567 00:39:34.360 --> 00:39:36.039 on Foreign Relations member. 568 00:39:37.719 --> 00:39:44.039 With two John's uh glad beer Uh? Do my uh 569 00:39:44.559 --> 00:39:48.679 Barack Obama do my Obama personation. Look what we we 570 00:39:48.800 --> 00:39:52.039 gotta we we gotta, we gotta change things, we gotta, 571 00:39:52.079 --> 00:39:55.159 we gotta change things. It's I'm not I'm not a Marxist, 572 00:39:55.519 --> 00:39:57.599 by the way, in that find Obama is a Marxist 573 00:39:57.639 --> 00:40:02.760 when he's like funded by all the big banks. Oh yeah, 574 00:40:03.320 --> 00:40:04.639 but anyway, so okay. 575 00:40:04.480 --> 00:40:07.639 So we've discussed that many times, about that whole scam. 576 00:40:07.719 --> 00:40:09.360 But yeah, the the the. 577 00:40:10.920 --> 00:40:18.800 There is a long standing relationship with evangelicals and military 578 00:40:20.599 --> 00:40:23.400 I'd say, i'd say, you know, since we're just specifically 579 00:40:23.440 --> 00:40:25.800 talking about this brand, but i'd say most churches, you know, 580 00:40:26.519 --> 00:40:29.519 more than Joe's Witnesses, they all play into it as well. 581 00:40:29.599 --> 00:40:37.480 But this this particular it's been going on for a while. 582 00:40:38.239 --> 00:40:40.719 The other thing that we're you know, to connect this with, 583 00:40:40.840 --> 00:40:45.039 you know how Lindsey uh Late Great Planet Earth, the 584 00:40:45.119 --> 00:40:49.519 Coming Apocalypse. The background to all of this is the 585 00:40:49.639 --> 00:40:53.760 Cold War. Okay, so in the background you have the 586 00:40:53.840 --> 00:40:59.840 cultural wallpaper of the Cold War that's scaring everybody. Uh 587 00:41:00.599 --> 00:41:03.440 hal Lindsay's writing in Late Great Planet Earth that the 588 00:41:03.480 --> 00:41:05.559 apocalypse is gonna come about. You got the Dog and 589 00:41:05.599 --> 00:41:09.679 the Magogue stuff. So it's Russia. Russia has nukes, America 590 00:41:09.760 --> 00:41:12.440 has nukes. They're gonna nuke each other. It's gonna be 591 00:41:12.480 --> 00:41:16.280 the apocalypse. And then Jesus is gonna come back on 592 00:41:16.360 --> 00:41:19.400 a big new cloud and he's gonna you know, float 593 00:41:19.480 --> 00:41:21.480 down on the new cloud and save all the you know, 594 00:41:21.519 --> 00:41:23.559 the one hundred and forty four thousand people who were 595 00:41:24.320 --> 00:41:27.400 you know, true to what you know, the Jesus people 596 00:41:27.480 --> 00:41:31.079 basically who got baptized the proper way in at the beach. 597 00:41:31.719 --> 00:41:38.679 So so yeah, I'm being a bit sarcastic about this, 598 00:41:38.800 --> 00:41:41.360 but that's literally what what you have playing itself out. 599 00:41:41.639 --> 00:41:45.400 This is just oh right with me. Jesus is just 600 00:41:45.679 --> 00:41:48.920 oh right with what's that other one? I'm gone there 601 00:41:49.119 --> 00:41:51.719 to the scout, to the something in the sky. 602 00:41:51.960 --> 00:41:56.239 Like huh Greenbaum, Yeah, spirit in the sky, Norman Greenbaum. 603 00:41:57.119 --> 00:42:01.840 These are like the old version, like like Jars of 604 00:42:01.960 --> 00:42:04.599 Clay kind of got some radio play, you know, like 605 00:42:05.599 --> 00:42:08.079 a few years ago, you know, back in the nineties, 606 00:42:08.159 --> 00:42:10.320 and then so this is like the older version of 607 00:42:10.400 --> 00:42:12.719 Jars of Clay where these kind of aren't these Jesus 608 00:42:13.159 --> 00:42:14.840 or is that did Doobie Brothers? I can't remember who 609 00:42:14.880 --> 00:42:18.559 sings that the Jesus is just the whole right with me. 610 00:42:20.320 --> 00:42:26.440 Doobie Brothers sing that song popular with it, although they 611 00:42:26.519 --> 00:42:30.320 were a Christian band because they were called the Doobie Brothers. 612 00:42:32.559 --> 00:42:34.440 So we've almost got two hundred nerds in here. This 613 00:42:34.559 --> 00:42:37.239 is crazy. I didn't think. I didn't think we would 614 00:42:37.320 --> 00:42:40.119 have it this early. I figured it would take a while. 615 00:42:40.280 --> 00:42:42.920 But okay, so so I'm getting off track here, I 616 00:42:43.000 --> 00:42:46.320 get crazy. So so we've got the CIA, the Pentagon 617 00:42:46.440 --> 00:42:52.119 involved in largely even and if people ask why evangelical, well, 618 00:42:52.199 --> 00:42:55.679 number one, Evangelicalism was a little easier, I would say 619 00:42:55.840 --> 00:42:59.400 to to mimic because anybody can start at evangelical church. 620 00:43:00.079 --> 00:43:02.920 It's a little bit more difficult, not impossible, to infiltrate 621 00:43:03.039 --> 00:43:09.840 older mainline churches like Orthodoxy or Metholicism. It still happens, obviously, 622 00:43:10.280 --> 00:43:13.920 the CIA, David Wimhoff, CD Jackson. That's all in Wimhoff's book. 623 00:43:15.440 --> 00:43:18.800 But the thing about evangelicalism is that anybody can start 624 00:43:18.840 --> 00:43:21.320 one of those, and so you have no idea who 625 00:43:21.519 --> 00:43:24.320 is starting it unless you know who this guy is 626 00:43:24.440 --> 00:43:28.360 and his background and so forth, and you have this 627 00:43:28.719 --> 00:43:32.800 just explosion. I think it's very vital to see that 628 00:43:32.880 --> 00:43:35.519 this is also at the time of as you said, 629 00:43:35.519 --> 00:43:39.519 the Cold War and then the sixties Revolution, and most people, 630 00:43:40.119 --> 00:43:43.920 especially from the Bible mindset, the right wing so called mindset, 631 00:43:44.039 --> 00:43:47.639 conservative mindset, if you ask them about the sixties and 632 00:43:47.679 --> 00:43:49.400 that revolution, and even a lot of people in the 633 00:43:49.440 --> 00:43:51.440 alt media, a lot of alt right people, I'm so 634 00:43:51.559 --> 00:43:55.800 tired of this dumb argument. They will say the sixties revolution. Oh, 635 00:43:55.840 --> 00:43:59.840 that's the comedies that started that. No, no, no, no, no, 636 00:44:00.440 --> 00:44:03.880 it's the CIA, the military and the Pentagon that were 637 00:44:03.960 --> 00:44:09.199 behind that, that sixties counter cultural revolution. And by the way, 638 00:44:09.280 --> 00:44:14.280 you've covered this, I'm citing Stoner Saunders's book, which is again, 639 00:44:14.400 --> 00:44:16.280 yes it's it's kind of watered down, but it's an 640 00:44:16.320 --> 00:44:21.280 academic assessment of the cultural wallpaper, as you termed it, 641 00:44:21.440 --> 00:44:24.880 of the Cold War and how this was the CIA. 642 00:44:25.480 --> 00:44:27.880 I'm not saying that there weren't bad Marxists. I hate 643 00:44:27.920 --> 00:44:30.800 the Frankfurt School, I hate those Marxist guys, but they 644 00:44:30.920 --> 00:44:33.920 don't have they They were brought here by the OSS 645 00:44:33.960 --> 00:44:37.119 and the CIA to alter the culture. They didn't have 646 00:44:37.280 --> 00:44:39.320 the power and the means and ability to change the 647 00:44:39.360 --> 00:44:42.199 whole world through the through the principles of Charles of 648 00:44:42.280 --> 00:44:45.719 Karl Marx. So I'll shut up here after I say this. 649 00:44:45.920 --> 00:44:47.760 This is what I said on Twitter today when people 650 00:44:47.760 --> 00:44:51.400 were arguing this. You have to understand what hgu Wells 651 00:44:51.519 --> 00:44:55.079 and what bertrand Russell say and the way HG. Wells 652 00:44:55.159 --> 00:44:58.159 frames it. He says, Look, you idiot Marxists. He says, 653 00:44:58.400 --> 00:45:03.800 global capitalism is what will bring the global Marxist technocracy. 654 00:45:04.880 --> 00:45:07.360 That's how that's how Wells phrases it. He says too, 655 00:45:07.440 --> 00:45:10.199 He says, you idiot communists, what other means and engine 656 00:45:10.239 --> 00:45:16.199 do you think will bring universal monoculture aside from global 657 00:45:16.360 --> 00:45:20.920 mono capitalism? Yes, I mean the. 658 00:45:23.280 --> 00:45:27.159 If you're a cap let me just say this prior 659 00:45:27.280 --> 00:45:31.400 to making this statement. If you're a capitalist, you're you're 660 00:45:31.440 --> 00:45:34.159 fooling yourself. If you're a communist, you're fooling yourself. 661 00:45:34.840 --> 00:45:35.039 Yeah. 662 00:45:36.800 --> 00:45:43.519 The capitalism that funded school and funds schools into existence 663 00:45:43.760 --> 00:45:51.559 and employees communist academics to teach the capitalist children. Think 664 00:45:51.599 --> 00:45:52.679 about that one for a second. 665 00:45:53.920 --> 00:45:57.000 Somebody said something really funny. I can't do you remember 666 00:45:57.079 --> 00:46:01.039 when one of the evangelical pastors who was like an 667 00:46:01.039 --> 00:46:03.119 advisor to Bush, when he got busted with like a 668 00:46:03.199 --> 00:46:08.559 male prostitute and Crystal Meth. Do you remember him. Yeah, 669 00:46:08.599 --> 00:46:12.119 he's one of the big Yeah, it. 670 00:46:12.239 --> 00:46:14.480 Was Ted Uh what's his face? Out of Colorado? 671 00:46:14.760 --> 00:46:22.039 Yes, somebody somebody said called it Crystal Methodism. Crystal Methodist, 672 00:46:23.280 --> 00:46:30.280 Crystal Methodist, mm hmm. Yeah, that's a good church. Actually, 673 00:46:30.320 --> 00:46:31.719 that sounds like a New Age church. 674 00:46:33.960 --> 00:46:36.360 So yeah, I was springing out of Sedona or something, right. 675 00:46:38.239 --> 00:46:45.079 Worshiping Crystal. Yeah, so you have, yes, of course. I 676 00:46:45.159 --> 00:46:50.199 mean capitalism, communism, that goes hand in hand. It's it's banker. 677 00:46:50.320 --> 00:46:51.639 It's just banker Marxism. 678 00:46:52.360 --> 00:46:52.599 Yeah. 679 00:46:52.639 --> 00:46:57.559 I mean to someone like you, you're myself, uh, you know, whether. 680 00:46:57.360 --> 00:47:00.119 You're in hey, hey John, John, people are asking you 681 00:47:00.159 --> 00:47:04.599 could talk a little louder to the mic. Okay, Ted Haggard, 682 00:47:04.679 --> 00:47:04.920 thank you. 683 00:47:05.079 --> 00:47:11.800 That was it? Yeah, Ted Haggard. Yeah does that sound better? Yeah, okay, 684 00:47:13.760 --> 00:47:17.440 the Yeah. To someone like you or myself who studied 685 00:47:17.440 --> 00:47:22.960 this stuff, yes, Marxism equals bank banks, that's it. To 686 00:47:23.039 --> 00:47:25.239 somebody who hasn't studied it, who thinks there's some sort 687 00:47:25.239 --> 00:47:29.840 of divide between it at the top, there's not. You know, 688 00:47:30.119 --> 00:47:31.519 I mean, I don't I don't know what to tell 689 00:47:31.559 --> 00:47:37.079 you at this point, how could you have capitalism funding academia. 690 00:47:37.199 --> 00:47:43.840 That's Marxist teaching capitalists kids, you see. And and if 691 00:47:43.880 --> 00:47:47.239 you think that you could just you know, somehow, somehow 692 00:47:47.280 --> 00:47:52.119 the country got infiltrated by Marxist with nobody knowing about it. Yeah, 693 00:47:52.719 --> 00:47:53.920 it's absolutely ridiculous. 694 00:47:54.039 --> 00:47:54.239 It was. 695 00:47:54.440 --> 00:47:57.079 It was an intelligence front. Like you said, Francis son 696 00:47:57.159 --> 00:48:01.159 Er Saunder's book, I think she's some sort of intelligence 697 00:48:01.199 --> 00:48:05.800 operative herself, but she definitely it's a whitewash, yeah, yeah, 698 00:48:05.800 --> 00:48:08.719 and it's a it's a great source even though it 699 00:48:08.800 --> 00:48:13.719 is a whitewash. And and yeah, it's yeah, the cultural 700 00:48:13.800 --> 00:48:17.719 Cold War, it was abstract art, not even really abstract. 701 00:48:17.760 --> 00:48:24.280 It's just nihilistic art, profession of nihilism to provide a 702 00:48:24.360 --> 00:48:28.679 source of apathy for the modern American. Once you get 703 00:48:28.719 --> 00:48:35.840 into then this is another thing too, is this type 704 00:48:35.880 --> 00:48:39.800 of church with you know, this change in the church 705 00:48:40.440 --> 00:48:43.159 was really another thing was brought about was to break 706 00:48:43.239 --> 00:48:45.559 up the old traditional methods on purpose. 707 00:48:45.639 --> 00:48:46.360 I think, so. 708 00:48:49.639 --> 00:48:52.320 The old traditional style of going to church, because the 709 00:48:52.400 --> 00:48:55.079 old traditional style of church kind of revolved around community 710 00:48:55.159 --> 00:48:59.440 and family. And with the new kind of way of 711 00:48:59.559 --> 00:49:01.679 going to church with the youth it's all it's all 712 00:49:01.760 --> 00:49:03.480 kind of youth oriented. 713 00:49:03.800 --> 00:49:06.480 So it's not really Oh, I see what you're saying. 714 00:49:06.519 --> 00:49:08.159 I see you're saying so, and this is kind of 715 00:49:08.320 --> 00:49:11.559 like it mirrors how in the culture, which you've talked 716 00:49:11.599 --> 00:49:13.760 about and I think Alan Watt has talked about this 717 00:49:13.840 --> 00:49:16.079 too and a lot of his podcasts, is that you 718 00:49:16.199 --> 00:49:19.480 have in the culture the interjection of the idea that 719 00:49:19.599 --> 00:49:23.880 there are these different generations, right that so that the 720 00:49:24.119 --> 00:49:27.280 the young that where the you know, beat generation, where 721 00:49:27.320 --> 00:49:30.519 the young we don't listen to the old fogy generation. 722 00:49:30.760 --> 00:49:34.360 And it wasn't viewed that way. You know, one hundred 723 00:49:34.440 --> 00:49:37.599 years prior, everybody was in the same schoolhouse. You know, 724 00:49:37.639 --> 00:49:39.639 you would have the older kids in the same schoolhouse 725 00:49:39.679 --> 00:49:42.000 with the younger kids, you know, in eighteen ninety or whatever. 726 00:49:42.840 --> 00:49:44.599 But as you get into the twentieth century, you have 727 00:49:44.639 --> 00:49:47.360 a lot of this social experimentation with the idea of 728 00:49:47.519 --> 00:49:51.639 creating Generation X, the boomer you know that, and this 729 00:49:52.159 --> 00:49:54.719 splits up the groups. And I think you're saying that 730 00:49:55.000 --> 00:49:59.679 the church mirrors the stupid culture which was designed. 731 00:50:01.280 --> 00:50:05.360 Yes, absolutely, if you're going to a church that's just 732 00:50:05.480 --> 00:50:09.159 full of young people, that's not including mom, dad, grandfathers 733 00:50:09.199 --> 00:50:12.360 all that. It's just you know, you and your peers. 734 00:50:13.480 --> 00:50:15.760 You're creating a new culture of that that's kind of 735 00:50:15.920 --> 00:50:20.440 that's youth oriented. It's breaking up the old traditional style, 736 00:50:20.480 --> 00:50:25.719 which was more based around community. Here's the thing about megachurches. 737 00:50:25.800 --> 00:50:31.639 Though megachurches aren't community based, mega churches are everybody comes 738 00:50:31.679 --> 00:50:35.000 from miles and miles around. And Chris and I kind 739 00:50:35.039 --> 00:50:37.039 of touched on this. You get lost in the crowd 740 00:50:37.119 --> 00:50:41.199 at the big megachurch. You don't know your pastor, you know, 741 00:50:41.280 --> 00:50:44.719 per se because your pastor's got three four hundred other 742 00:50:44.760 --> 00:50:49.519 people he's got to deal with. There's no personal relationships, 743 00:50:49.519 --> 00:50:53.760 there's no personal accountability. Back in the old days, there 744 00:50:53.880 --> 00:50:56.519 was a Methodist church in the town I just moved from. 745 00:50:56.679 --> 00:51:02.519 In southern California and Pomona Claremont area, there's the remnants 746 00:51:02.840 --> 00:51:08.039 of churches basically on every street corner because churches were 747 00:51:08.320 --> 00:51:12.440 neighborhood things, right, and so there was a Methodist church, 748 00:51:12.519 --> 00:51:15.079 and then three miles away from that there's another Methodist 749 00:51:15.159 --> 00:51:19.880 church because it was a neighborhood Methodist church. And then 750 00:51:19.960 --> 00:51:24.639 three miles away there's another entirely different neighborhood. You see 751 00:51:24.760 --> 00:51:28.199 in that neighborhood went to that Methodist church and this 752 00:51:28.239 --> 00:51:30.639 neighborhood went to this Methodist church because it was people 753 00:51:30.719 --> 00:51:34.920 from a close knit, small community. When you go to 754 00:51:35.000 --> 00:51:38.920 the megachurch, lost in the crowd, it's like going to 755 00:51:39.000 --> 00:51:42.400 a rock concert, which, interestingly enough, when you know the 756 00:51:42.920 --> 00:51:45.400 first one of the first megachurches, Calvery Chapel and the 757 00:51:45.440 --> 00:51:48.320 coast of Mesa. One of the things that attracted the 758 00:51:48.360 --> 00:51:53.960 people was the Jesus People rock music and they specifically 759 00:51:55.519 --> 00:51:58.760 starting with a band called a Love Song. That was 760 00:51:58.800 --> 00:52:01.280 the name of the group, Love Song. They were performing 761 00:52:01.400 --> 00:52:05.519 live weekly at the Calvary Chapel there and and getting 762 00:52:06.000 --> 00:52:09.199 people to come in there with the rock music and 763 00:52:11.639 --> 00:52:14.360 you know, not once again doing away with the old 764 00:52:14.440 --> 00:52:18.400 traditional hymns and all that type of stuff. 765 00:52:18.920 --> 00:52:21.880 Yeah, it's it's so bad that actually there are Novasorto 766 00:52:21.960 --> 00:52:25.960 Catholic churches and I think Germany that have raves. Did 767 00:52:26.000 --> 00:52:26.320 you know that. 768 00:52:28.920 --> 00:52:29.360 I wouldn't. 769 00:52:31.039 --> 00:52:33.000 How do we appeal, how do we appeal to the youth? 770 00:52:33.920 --> 00:52:40.159 Have a damn rave? Bring DJ Tiesto and DJ Kioki 771 00:52:40.360 --> 00:52:42.880 and let's have a rave and we'll get the kids, 772 00:52:43.039 --> 00:52:47.559 uh to come to the night. Novasorto Church and then 773 00:52:48.719 --> 00:52:50.440 I was gonna say, I was gonna sayn't really dirty, 774 00:52:50.480 --> 00:52:51.760 but I'll listen. 775 00:52:55.199 --> 00:52:59.880 I would I wouldn't be surprised considering, you know, the 776 00:53:00.960 --> 00:53:03.159 the four or five years that I lived out there 777 00:53:03.199 --> 00:53:07.800 in Pomona Claremont area of California, my wife and I 778 00:53:07.880 --> 00:53:11.840 we try to just you know, find a church basically just. 779 00:53:15.119 --> 00:53:15.840 And I would go. 780 00:53:16.000 --> 00:53:17.519 I would go with her to try, you know, to 781 00:53:18.199 --> 00:53:21.360 just check it out. I was always interested in that 782 00:53:21.519 --> 00:53:25.599 aspect of it. And uh so we'd go to a 783 00:53:25.719 --> 00:53:31.079 Catholic Catholic churches, and the the amount of Charismatic Catholic 784 00:53:31.199 --> 00:53:37.280 churches exceeds the amount of regular Catholic churches, which you know, yeah, 785 00:53:37.320 --> 00:53:41.599 this is a very bizarre thing that we'll finish this 786 00:53:41.679 --> 00:53:45.920 real quick because I'm not Catholic. I never I never 787 00:53:45.960 --> 00:53:49.079 really went to Catholic church till I met my wife, 788 00:53:51.920 --> 00:53:56.119 and we were blown away with you go into a 789 00:53:56.199 --> 00:53:59.559 Catholic church and it's basically like going into an evangelical church. 790 00:54:00.320 --> 00:54:04.880 And we didn't even really know that existed because my 791 00:54:05.039 --> 00:54:06.599 wife never went to a church like that. 792 00:54:06.719 --> 00:54:08.559 And then we're like, what is this. 793 00:54:08.920 --> 00:54:14.320 There's like it's like rock music and you know, the 794 00:54:14.440 --> 00:54:18.000 services is not like a Catholic service. I mean, they 795 00:54:18.079 --> 00:54:21.320 take communion and they you know, do the little Catholic 796 00:54:21.400 --> 00:54:24.960 prayers that the Catholics do or whatever, but the rest 797 00:54:25.039 --> 00:54:28.519 of it is totally formatted like a like you're at. 798 00:54:28.519 --> 00:54:34.760 You know, the vineyard exactly. Yeah. So yeah, well that's yeah, 799 00:54:34.800 --> 00:54:38.639 Fruits of Vatican two there as most traditional Catholics will 800 00:54:38.760 --> 00:54:41.679 will bitch about. But so let's bring it back to 801 00:54:43.440 --> 00:54:47.639 to the end times and to prophecy. And so so 802 00:54:47.760 --> 00:54:50.199 we've got the Cold War, we've got the cults, we've 803 00:54:50.239 --> 00:54:54.360 got the CIA, the Pentagon putting money into these different 804 00:54:54.920 --> 00:54:59.599 evangelical groups, and let's not forget I know you know this, John, 805 00:54:59.719 --> 00:55:02.320 and feel free to comment any input you have on it. 806 00:55:02.400 --> 00:55:04.519 But we might have a lot of listeners and watchers 807 00:55:04.559 --> 00:55:10.800 who don't know that a classic front for intelligence is 808 00:55:11.039 --> 00:55:15.719 being a missionary. So missionaries and foreign lands. This is 809 00:55:16.039 --> 00:55:20.800 old school CIA fronts. Intelligence agencies using this as a front, 810 00:55:22.000 --> 00:55:25.880 USA red Cross, these are classic CIA front So don't 811 00:55:25.960 --> 00:55:28.320 believe the stories that you see. Now. I'm not saying 812 00:55:28.360 --> 00:55:30.400 every missionary is a CIA agent. That's not true, but 813 00:55:30.440 --> 00:55:34.320 I'm saying it can easily be a front that's used 814 00:55:34.320 --> 00:55:35.960 for that kind of stuff, and it has many times 815 00:55:36.000 --> 00:55:39.559 over there's plenty of books and documentation on that, but 816 00:55:39.679 --> 00:55:42.559 we have to also include that puzzle piece because that's 817 00:55:42.559 --> 00:55:47.239 a big part of understanding the Washington's foreign policy and 818 00:55:47.360 --> 00:55:52.320 how it likes to spread, especially Protestant Christianity as well 819 00:55:52.400 --> 00:55:56.119 as wim Hoff shows from Catholicism because it's it was 820 00:55:56.679 --> 00:55:59.639 part of that world Cold War dialectic, because how do 821 00:55:59.679 --> 00:56:03.079 you the Soviets, Well, you have a damn Baptist church 822 00:56:03.519 --> 00:56:06.199 in your in your city. 823 00:56:06.280 --> 00:56:09.039 That's how well you know, I mean, you can take 824 00:56:09.079 --> 00:56:12.119 it back even further if you wanted to just found 825 00:56:12.679 --> 00:56:16.320 established foundation that you know, the Jesuits were always good 826 00:56:16.559 --> 00:56:19.719 at paving the way for commerce. 827 00:56:20.679 --> 00:56:21.360 That's a good point. 828 00:56:22.000 --> 00:56:24.719 So you know, they go into a country. Let's just 829 00:56:24.800 --> 00:56:30.119 say one thing I would be a quasi expert on 830 00:56:30.280 --> 00:56:35.960 is California. California is founded by Jesuits, hm. And they 831 00:56:36.079 --> 00:56:39.480 basically paved the way for opening up of the of 832 00:56:39.599 --> 00:56:42.360 the West and the railroads and all that type of 833 00:56:42.360 --> 00:56:47.559 stuff by you know, helping to uh civilize the Indians 834 00:56:47.599 --> 00:56:50.440 out there, so you know, so on and so forth. 835 00:56:51.800 --> 00:56:59.119 Commerce usually follows were uh, you know, not only you know, 836 00:56:59.199 --> 00:57:02.840 Catholicism earlier time periods, but then in later time periods 837 00:57:02.960 --> 00:57:08.840 like now, you know, evangelicism is kind of the you know, 838 00:57:10.199 --> 00:57:13.559 this is easy to discuss with someone like yourself. Evangelicism 839 00:57:13.719 --> 00:57:17.840 is the perfect postmodern Christianity. So it can it can 840 00:57:18.000 --> 00:57:21.760 yea even to any area adapt itself pretty easily. 841 00:57:22.239 --> 00:57:23.000 That's a great point. 842 00:57:23.159 --> 00:57:26.719 Yeah, so it paves the way for commerce, and then 843 00:57:26.760 --> 00:57:28.599 it paves the way for the rest of the culture, 844 00:57:29.000 --> 00:57:33.079 which you know, a lot of Christians don't actually you know, 845 00:57:33.159 --> 00:57:36.400 they wouldn't actually think themselves to be quote, to use 846 00:57:36.480 --> 00:57:39.559 a phraseology that Christians like to use, to be of 847 00:57:39.760 --> 00:57:47.079 this world. But but yet they're they're really, they really 848 00:57:47.119 --> 00:57:49.719 are part of the culture. You know, they really do 849 00:57:49.920 --> 00:57:52.320 accept a lot of the stuff that like someone like 850 00:57:52.400 --> 00:57:55.239 myself wouldn't you know, I wouldn't involve I wouldn't let 851 00:57:55.280 --> 00:57:58.559 my kids watch television or you know that type of stuff. 852 00:57:58.599 --> 00:58:03.280 But but you know, a lot of Christians the type 853 00:58:03.320 --> 00:58:07.239 of culture that gets proliferated into the well here's a 854 00:58:07.280 --> 00:58:07.960 perfect example. 855 00:58:08.760 --> 00:58:09.039 They have. 856 00:58:14.920 --> 00:58:17.360 Muslim evangelist. 857 00:58:17.480 --> 00:58:22.400 Now, they have Muslim evangelists. You said, you cut out there, 858 00:58:22.480 --> 00:58:23.000 say that again. 859 00:58:23.679 --> 00:58:25.280 They have televangelist Muslims. 860 00:58:25.320 --> 00:58:29.519 Now I have heard this, I haven't seen it, but this, also, 861 00:58:29.679 --> 00:58:31.800 by the way, is something Ingdahl mentions in his book 862 00:58:31.960 --> 00:58:36.199 that the success of Billy Graham was so beyond the 863 00:58:36.320 --> 00:58:41.880 expectations of what the CIA had in mind that they realized, 864 00:58:42.079 --> 00:58:45.039 all we've got to do is find the Billy Graham 865 00:58:45.079 --> 00:58:47.159 for the Muslim world. So that's what they were trying 866 00:58:47.199 --> 00:58:49.599 to do with a lot of these different characters. The 867 00:58:49.679 --> 00:58:52.119 Goulin guy is probably some kind of but he's not, 868 00:58:52.199 --> 00:58:54.199 I don't guess, a very dynamic speaker. I don't know, 869 00:58:54.280 --> 00:58:57.480 but there's other kinds of people that they tried to interview. 870 00:58:57.519 --> 00:59:00.159 Miles Copeland and his book actually says the same thing. 871 00:59:00.239 --> 00:59:04.880 He says that they hoped Nasser Gamal abdel Nasser would 872 00:59:04.920 --> 00:59:09.920 be a an Islamic Billy Graham. So so I'm not 873 00:59:10.039 --> 00:59:13.360 surprised that we're starting to see this now because I 874 00:59:13.480 --> 00:59:16.840 think that that does fit into the plan dialectic that 875 00:59:16.960 --> 00:59:21.400 they want to kind of Islamicize the West, not because 876 00:59:21.440 --> 00:59:23.800 they like Islam, but I see it as a long 877 00:59:23.920 --> 00:59:26.880 term business plan. The globalist I'm. 878 00:59:26.760 --> 00:59:33.360 Saying, yeah, yeah, And you know, an another thing I 879 00:59:33.400 --> 00:59:37.239 brought up on the call with Tim and Chris, was that. 880 00:59:39.800 --> 00:59:40.079 In the. 881 00:59:43.000 --> 00:59:48.480 In Nicaragua during the Samosa Sandonista period, there was a 882 00:59:48.599 --> 00:59:50.519 guy who is like one of the leaders of the 883 00:59:50.599 --> 00:59:55.280 campus Crusades in Nicaragua and the San deniss caught him 884 00:59:55.360 --> 00:59:58.639 or something because he was carrying large sums of undeclared money. 885 01:00:00.079 --> 01:00:03.079 They were you know, was it hidden under Gideon Bibles? 886 01:00:05.599 --> 01:00:09.400 Yeah, he was. And basically with this article that I 887 01:00:10.400 --> 01:00:13.840 was reading in it was a cover action bulletin. 888 01:00:13.960 --> 01:00:14.559 It was like a. 889 01:00:16.280 --> 01:00:20.480 Liberal type magazine from the It was basically saying that, 890 01:00:20.960 --> 01:00:25.199 you know, these Sandinistas had uncovered that the campus Crusades 891 01:00:25.280 --> 01:00:29.360 was the CIA front funneling money in too, you know, 892 01:00:29.440 --> 01:00:32.440 do that even though I would say that the Sandinistas 893 01:00:32.480 --> 01:00:35.480 themselves are a CIA front. So it was, you know, 894 01:00:35.599 --> 01:00:41.760 more dialectic type stuff. But what you have this is 895 01:00:41.800 --> 01:00:45.280 another thing that you have kind of popping up in 896 01:00:45.400 --> 01:00:50.320 the seventies and eighties as time progresses, and that the 897 01:00:50.679 --> 01:00:54.519 former Jesus people or whoever you know, people being sucked 898 01:00:54.559 --> 01:00:58.119 into this new type of evangelicism. Is this idea of 899 01:00:58.960 --> 01:01:03.599 that Christianity is going to fight communism. 900 01:01:04.280 --> 01:01:05.039 Mm hmm. Okay. 901 01:01:05.400 --> 01:01:08.119 So it's not only that we have to be scared 902 01:01:08.320 --> 01:01:11.760 of the Cold War, and we have to be scared 903 01:01:11.880 --> 01:01:19.360 of the nuclear apocalypse. But it's also pitying Christianity against 904 01:01:19.679 --> 01:01:27.440 Communism directly because Communism is Satanism Christian and Christian and 905 01:01:27.519 --> 01:01:33.920 America is Christian. So Jesus equals America city on a 906 01:01:34.039 --> 01:01:41.119 hill and Russia equals Satan, right and that, and so 907 01:01:41.480 --> 01:01:45.480 you know. And then as we move down through the 908 01:01:45.519 --> 01:01:48.519 time period and you get to be guys like me 909 01:01:48.599 --> 01:01:51.039 and you, then you see this all played out in 910 01:01:51.119 --> 01:01:51.679 the plot. 911 01:01:51.519 --> 01:01:56.199 To Rocky four, and and in w W F w 912 01:01:56.400 --> 01:02:02.039 W remember Ivan and and Hoko against mixed what's his name? 913 01:02:04.519 --> 01:02:05.440 I there's a. 914 01:02:07.039 --> 01:02:07.960 Boris Sukov. 915 01:02:08.440 --> 01:02:13.679 Yeah, Nikolai Volkov, Nikolai Volkov. And then yeah, and he's 916 01:02:13.760 --> 01:02:14.920 wrestling hul Kogan. 917 01:02:17.079 --> 01:02:21.960 Interestingly enough, when the Berlin Wall fell, Nikolai Volkov, if 918 01:02:22.000 --> 01:02:27.480 you remember, he turned on Boris Sukov and he he 919 01:02:27.760 --> 01:02:33.280 joined America and he went rogue against against the evil Comy. 920 01:02:35.079 --> 01:02:36.880 Let me say this is another point I want to 921 01:02:36.920 --> 01:02:41.079 make here. Yes, everybody, I've probably had twenty people in 922 01:02:41.159 --> 01:02:46.400 the last few months send me the Yuri Besmanov lecture. Now, yes, 923 01:02:46.599 --> 01:02:50.079 I have seen the Uri Besmanov lecture. It's been online 924 01:02:50.119 --> 01:02:53.960 going around for at least a decade or more. I'm 925 01:02:54.039 --> 01:02:57.280 not saying that the points that Yuri Besmanov makes are false. 926 01:02:57.519 --> 01:03:00.880 So yes, there are like the frank for School guys 927 01:03:00.960 --> 01:03:04.039 who would try to argue that if we can degrade 928 01:03:04.119 --> 01:03:06.960 the culture and make them relatives and so forth. But again, 929 01:03:07.480 --> 01:03:09.679 the real story of the Frankfurt School guys is that 930 01:03:09.840 --> 01:03:12.920 they were propped up by the CIA, And so even 931 01:03:12.960 --> 01:03:15.000 the alt right people who get mad and bitch about 932 01:03:15.039 --> 01:03:17.559 the Frankfurt School people, they don't talk about the OSS 933 01:03:17.639 --> 01:03:20.920 and the CIA being who gave them the money to 934 01:03:21.039 --> 01:03:23.440 do what they were doing there. Who who do you 935 01:03:23.519 --> 01:03:26.239 think brought the Eastern Bloc people over? It was the 936 01:03:26.280 --> 01:03:33.400 O S. S c A. The Ur Bezonoff. One last point, John, 937 01:03:33.440 --> 01:03:35.679 one last point. The reason I bring up the URI 938 01:03:35.760 --> 01:03:40.519 talk and this is something that Mark Hackard has. Disagree 939 01:03:40.599 --> 01:03:42.599 or agree with Mark Hackard or not, but he has 940 01:03:42.679 --> 01:03:46.480 some really good articles that he translated about defectors. And 941 01:03:46.719 --> 01:03:50.440 the important thing about defectors is that to whatever degree 942 01:03:50.440 --> 01:03:52.480 it's real or fake or stage, we don't even know 943 01:03:52.639 --> 01:03:54.000 the real story of these people. It could just be 944 01:03:54.039 --> 01:03:57.719 made up. Let's say that that Yury Besmanov truly defected 945 01:03:57.840 --> 01:04:03.079 or whatever. If even if that's true, whatever comes out 946 01:04:03.280 --> 01:04:06.920 of Uri Besmanov is gonna be what the c i 947 01:04:07.079 --> 01:04:13.400 A Wants out. So defectors are great disinformation agents. They're 948 01:04:13.480 --> 01:04:18.599 great ways to prop up grandiose tales of of the 949 01:04:18.679 --> 01:04:20.559 Marxist Cold War takeover. 950 01:04:21.320 --> 01:04:21.440 Uh. 951 01:04:21.719 --> 01:04:24.239 And I think that that that's crucial to understand that 952 01:04:24.440 --> 01:04:26.639 and and a lot of these you know, anti Marxists 953 01:04:26.679 --> 01:04:29.519 and these people that are online. I'm not a Marxist 954 01:04:29.599 --> 01:04:32.079 by the way, so don't even try to make that argument. 955 01:04:33.559 --> 01:04:35.400 But but that, but you can't trust defectors is what 956 01:04:35.400 --> 01:04:37.000 I'm trying to say. It's it just fits into the 957 01:04:37.039 --> 01:04:37.880 propaganda machine. 958 01:04:39.960 --> 01:04:46.840 Yeah, the Uri bezman Off stuff never never ring true. 959 01:04:46.679 --> 01:04:48.719 To me, just because could you speak up a little bit, John, 960 01:04:48.719 --> 01:04:50.039 People are saying they're having a hard time here. 961 01:04:50.400 --> 01:04:53.159 I said it never, it never. It never rang true 962 01:04:53.239 --> 01:04:57.800 to me because it was He's basically saying all the 963 01:04:57.920 --> 01:05:02.239 things that the you know, the culture in America was 964 01:05:02.719 --> 01:05:05.920 pushing on its own people. So why would you why 965 01:05:05.960 --> 01:05:07.679 would you need the Russians to do that? 966 01:05:08.119 --> 01:05:12.400 Exactly? This is what's so crucial that Yeah, well stated day, 967 01:05:12.440 --> 01:05:14.639 I rambled there for like ten minutes trying to say 968 01:05:14.679 --> 01:05:17.000 what John said in like twenty seconds. 969 01:05:17.760 --> 01:05:22.320 Yeah, so I'm not Another one is Anatotly golitz was 970 01:05:22.360 --> 01:05:25.599 about to say the fall the Wall and Anatoly Glitzen. Hey, 971 01:05:26.199 --> 01:05:28.719 maybe Anatoly Glitzen knows about the fall of the Wall 972 01:05:28.719 --> 01:05:31.039 ahead of time because the CIA is who told him, 973 01:05:32.239 --> 01:05:35.639 not because he knew about the Sino Soviet split secrets 974 01:05:35.719 --> 01:05:36.079 or whatever. 975 01:05:36.960 --> 01:05:37.159 Yeah. 976 01:05:38.079 --> 01:05:42.239 Yeah, it's and you know, basically to a certain extent 977 01:05:43.000 --> 01:05:44.719 at the at the top, I don't think there's any 978 01:05:44.760 --> 01:05:49.639 difference between Cold War KGB and Cold War CIA. So 979 01:05:49.800 --> 01:05:53.679 they're both working for the you know, same pay masters 980 01:05:56.000 --> 01:06:04.800 and and uh this, but but see those type of things, 981 01:06:04.880 --> 01:06:07.519 whether it's you know, KGB or CIA, whatever it is, 982 01:06:08.239 --> 01:06:12.840 they were crucial to the time period because it, you know, 983 01:06:13.039 --> 01:06:16.199 it fueled the this, you know, the scary culture. You know, 984 01:06:16.360 --> 01:06:19.000 a great you know, a great television show. I don't 985 01:06:19.000 --> 01:06:22.000 really watch a lot of TV, but a really interesting 986 01:06:22.079 --> 01:06:27.960 show to kind of show what kind of psychology was 987 01:06:28.039 --> 01:06:31.760 being used on people at the time, is the Americans 988 01:06:32.480 --> 01:06:33.599 exactly exactly? 989 01:06:33.719 --> 01:06:35.760 Yeah, yeah, you know, And the c i A. The 990 01:06:35.880 --> 01:06:38.000 c i A approves those scripts by the way. 991 01:06:38.000 --> 01:06:42.519 So sure, absolutely, but but yeah, it's it's interesting to 992 01:06:43.119 --> 01:06:44.920 go back and kind of look at some of those things. 993 01:06:47.119 --> 01:06:49.960 I want to say real quick in the chat, we're 994 01:06:50.000 --> 01:06:53.039 not here to debate nukes. So the reason that some 995 01:06:53.159 --> 01:06:57.639 of these people are being if you spam in here, 996 01:06:58.400 --> 01:07:00.519 I have this spam filter turned on and it will 997 01:07:01.119 --> 01:07:03.480 block the people that spam. So we're here to talk 998 01:07:03.480 --> 01:07:07.119 about the end times. It's not a debate on nuke's. 999 01:07:09.000 --> 01:07:14.159 So anyway, sorry, John, GoAhead, you go ahead. 1000 01:07:14.199 --> 01:07:15.440 There's a helicopter lending. 1001 01:07:15.559 --> 01:07:20.920 Okay, So if I think about the maybe let's talk 1002 01:07:20.960 --> 01:07:23.480 a little bit about some of the biblical type end 1003 01:07:23.559 --> 01:07:29.199 time stuff. So being raised in a Protestant Evangelical church 1004 01:07:29.400 --> 01:07:31.320 and then starting to read the Bible when I was 1005 01:07:31.360 --> 01:07:34.800 seventeen eighteen, really getting into it. Of course, everybody finds 1006 01:07:34.880 --> 01:07:37.000 the Book of Revelations fascinating. So you go and you 1007 01:07:37.119 --> 01:07:39.280 read about the angels and the bold judgments and the 1008 01:07:39.320 --> 01:07:43.920 sealed judgments, and it all sounds very, very wild, right, 1009 01:07:44.880 --> 01:07:48.519 And if you're a Protestant Evangelical, then you know that 1010 01:07:49.239 --> 01:07:52.639 you already kind of have just this assumption that this 1011 01:07:52.920 --> 01:07:56.480 is all about some sort of sequence of events at 1012 01:07:56.480 --> 01:07:59.840 the end of the world. Now, I never had that 1013 01:08:00.360 --> 01:08:04.360 that view challenged. I never questioned it until I spent 1014 01:08:04.400 --> 01:08:07.599 a lot of time in theology and did do a 1015 01:08:07.679 --> 01:08:11.639 period of seminary work and really got into comparative religion 1016 01:08:11.639 --> 01:08:14.199 and all this kind of stuff. And as everybody knows, 1017 01:08:14.280 --> 01:08:16.720 I'm not a textual liberal. So this is not coming 1018 01:08:16.760 --> 01:08:19.520 from Evan at this point of trying to, from my 1019 01:08:19.680 --> 01:08:23.560 view say that the Bible doesn't have any divine inspiration 1020 01:08:23.840 --> 01:08:27.960 or veracity or anything like that. But it's very simple 1021 01:08:28.119 --> 01:08:31.920 actually to kind of show that even and this is 1022 01:08:31.960 --> 01:08:33.880 I would say, even if you don't believe the Bible, 1023 01:08:34.520 --> 01:08:40.239 I think it's still demonstrably true that these verses most 1024 01:08:40.319 --> 01:08:45.000 of the time are referring to events contemporary with the Apostles. 1025 01:08:45.359 --> 01:08:47.239 So I'm just going to run through this really quick. 1026 01:08:48.039 --> 01:08:50.520 The easiest way to understand this is to read Luke 1027 01:08:50.600 --> 01:08:54.840 twenty one, and that's because Jesus says very clearly in 1028 01:08:54.920 --> 01:08:59.920 verse twenty two that all of he says, these are 1029 01:08:59.920 --> 01:09:02.439 the days of vengeance, in which all things written in 1030 01:09:02.479 --> 01:09:05.760 the prophets must be fulfilled. And if you read the 1031 01:09:05.920 --> 01:09:10.199 entire chapter, he's talking about that generation, the Jews and 1032 01:09:10.239 --> 01:09:12.199 the people that are right there in front of him 1033 01:09:12.279 --> 01:09:15.640 and his apostles and disciples. And that's why he says 1034 01:09:16.119 --> 01:09:20.640 very clearly, he says, you will see Jerusalem surrounded by 1035 01:09:20.800 --> 01:09:25.279 enemies right know then that its desolation is near. Now, 1036 01:09:25.880 --> 01:09:27.920 whether you believe it's inspired, I believe it's inspired. But 1037 01:09:27.960 --> 01:09:31.800 whether you do or not, about forty years later that happened. 1038 01:09:33.600 --> 01:09:37.039 So that I think is so obvious and so clear. 1039 01:09:38.199 --> 01:09:40.439 And I'm not saying that there's nothing mysterious about the 1040 01:09:40.439 --> 01:09:43.239 Book of Revelation or whatever. But if you look at 1041 01:09:43.279 --> 01:09:46.600 the pattern of the Book of Revelation, the way it's structured, 1042 01:09:46.680 --> 01:09:49.800 with its judgments and what it talks about, it matches 1043 01:09:49.920 --> 01:09:53.680 the pattern of Matthew twenty four, which is Luke twenty one, right. 1044 01:09:53.760 --> 01:09:55.640 This is the all of that discourse in both of 1045 01:09:55.680 --> 01:09:58.720 those gospels. So I think it's very clear that the 1046 01:09:58.800 --> 01:10:02.000 Book of Revelation ecalypse is talking about the same stuff 1047 01:10:02.760 --> 01:10:06.439 that Jesus is talking about in that famous discourse. Therefore, 1048 01:10:09.159 --> 01:10:12.239 the easiest way to approach, the clearest, I think simplest 1049 01:10:12.239 --> 01:10:15.199 way to approach these texts, whether you believe they're in 1050 01:10:15.239 --> 01:10:19.239 spite or not, is to understand the historical context and 1051 01:10:19.279 --> 01:10:23.760 the historical context does have to do with apocalypticism of 1052 01:10:23.840 --> 01:10:26.560 that time period. I'm not saying, by the way that 1053 01:10:26.880 --> 01:10:32.079 that there's nothing future fulfillment for us as Orthodox or 1054 01:10:32.159 --> 01:10:36.159 for Roman Catholics. Uh, there are the last things. There is, 1055 01:10:36.880 --> 01:10:38.800 you know, some events of the last times, like the 1056 01:10:39.600 --> 01:10:42.520 final judgment, the resurrection of the body, these kinds of things. 1057 01:10:42.920 --> 01:10:46.399 But we don't have this elaborate scheme that's all kind 1058 01:10:46.399 --> 01:10:50.960 of drawn up, like don't nigy, here's my Bible prophecy church, 1059 01:10:51.359 --> 01:10:53.439 the blood moons will cover Israel. 1060 01:10:53.800 --> 01:10:54.520 The blood. 1061 01:10:55.920 --> 01:10:59.760 I was trying to think of the blood moon paj 1062 01:11:00.359 --> 01:11:02.479 When I eat the blood moon piles, you'll know the 1063 01:11:02.680 --> 01:11:06.680 end is near. That is literally how dumb John Hagy 1064 01:11:06.760 --> 01:11:10.000 shit is. But anyway, so we don't have charts, we 1065 01:11:10.039 --> 01:11:13.840 don't have these like elaborate schemes because we don't know 1066 01:11:13.960 --> 01:11:18.720 that it's not told to us. So when we get 1067 01:11:18.800 --> 01:11:22.039 towards the end, I'll give if I get this question 1068 01:11:22.159 --> 01:11:24.279 a lot. I've not yet got to a point where 1069 01:11:24.279 --> 01:11:26.640 I have the time to really, from my perspective, write 1070 01:11:26.640 --> 01:11:28.520 an article. I do have an old article about the 1071 01:11:28.560 --> 01:11:30.920 Temple and Josephus that people could read if they want 1072 01:11:31.000 --> 01:11:34.439 Matthew twenty four and Josephus compared, and you can find 1073 01:11:34.439 --> 01:11:38.279 that in the archives. But also I'll list a couple 1074 01:11:38.319 --> 01:11:40.199 of short books that people could read if they want 1075 01:11:40.239 --> 01:11:41.920 to go down that route, because I do get a 1076 01:11:41.960 --> 01:11:43.880 lot of messages about what do you think about the 1077 01:11:43.960 --> 01:11:45.079 end times? What do you think about this? What do 1078 01:11:45.119 --> 01:11:46.880 you think of that? And I will say too that 1079 01:11:47.119 --> 01:11:50.239 again the Orthodox Study Bible notes they get it perfectly right. 1080 01:11:50.359 --> 01:11:52.319 It's the first time there's ever been a study Bible 1081 01:11:52.840 --> 01:11:57.239 that actually understands that these texts are talking about seventy eight. 1082 01:11:57.800 --> 01:12:01.159 Now there are aspects that do refer to future realities. 1083 01:12:01.319 --> 01:12:04.319 But if you read my Daniel article, if you look 1084 01:12:04.399 --> 01:12:05.960 at what the Order Dark Study Bible says and the 1085 01:12:06.039 --> 01:12:09.560 Daniel notes, if you look at Daniel, it's talking about 1086 01:12:09.600 --> 01:12:12.159 the same thing Jesus is talking about, and it's talking 1087 01:12:12.159 --> 01:12:15.880 about what happened in the first century, and it removes 1088 01:12:15.960 --> 01:12:19.920 a lot of this nonsense, which is a perfect tool 1089 01:12:20.119 --> 01:12:23.399 for the State, for the Pentagon, for the CIA, for 1090 01:12:23.520 --> 01:12:27.960 social engineers to concoct nonsense to fool a bunch of dummies. 1091 01:12:28.720 --> 01:12:33.439 And they do the same thing with Muslims. Evangelicals are 1092 01:12:33.680 --> 01:12:39.800 used the exact same way Muslims are. John your comments, Yes, 1093 01:12:42.439 --> 01:12:44.279 we're up to two thirty. We're up to two thirty. 1094 01:12:44.359 --> 01:12:47.520 Let's see if we can. We're doing good, so go John. 1095 01:12:48.680 --> 01:12:53.319 Yeah, well you're thinking of the Bible verses and all that. 1096 01:12:53.680 --> 01:12:58.239 Like I said, I'm not an organized religion person. 1097 01:12:58.640 --> 01:13:01.359 That's cool, but I mean, you know, give your perspective 1098 01:13:02.520 --> 01:13:05.760 on on the times and you being being manipulated through 1099 01:13:05.800 --> 01:13:06.119 the fear. 1100 01:13:07.000 --> 01:13:11.680 Sure well, I mean an interesting thing, just a note 1101 01:13:11.720 --> 01:13:21.199 about apocalypse. Calypso kept Odessus on an island, detained, and 1102 01:13:22.279 --> 01:13:28.600 Calypso means to cover, So she's the goddess who keeps 1103 01:13:28.840 --> 01:13:32.079 you know, Odessas on the island, detaining him on an island. 1104 01:13:32.079 --> 01:13:35.439 It's interesting that the story of John the relater is 1105 01:13:35.520 --> 01:13:37.760 on an island being detained and he's talking about the 1106 01:13:37.880 --> 01:13:44.720 a apocalypse, the callipse, the uncovering, so interesting correlation. There. 1107 01:13:45.880 --> 01:13:48.319 Are you doing a little bit of jord and Maxwell 1108 01:13:48.479 --> 01:13:49.199 for us? John? 1109 01:13:49.760 --> 01:13:52.640 That's that's that's all John Adams research. 1110 01:13:52.720 --> 01:13:58.760 They're not, of course, if you understand the The Apocalypse 1111 01:13:58.960 --> 01:14:03.680 is clearly discussing the two doc tiles coming down through 1112 01:14:03.920 --> 01:14:10.079 the hell portal gates into my backyard to initiate the 1113 01:14:10.279 --> 01:14:12.079 end of times as the least. 1114 01:14:13.600 --> 01:14:17.239 The real Bible is the Yeah, you have to go 1115 01:14:17.359 --> 01:14:22.800 to the Geneva Bible. Jay, that's the thing, Theva, that's 1116 01:14:22.840 --> 01:14:27.199 the Geneva. No, yeah, so uh but yeah, I think 1117 01:14:27.279 --> 01:14:29.680 with with a with a you know, the story of 1118 01:14:29.760 --> 01:14:34.159 the revelations and the and it can it can always 1119 01:14:34.239 --> 01:14:36.960 be used no matter what time period it was. It 1120 01:14:37.119 --> 01:14:39.079 was you know, used in the Civil War, it was 1121 01:14:39.239 --> 01:14:40.359 used in World War One. 1122 01:14:40.760 --> 01:14:41.399 That's a good point. 1123 01:14:42.880 --> 01:14:44.720 Uh, Hitler was the beast. 1124 01:14:45.439 --> 01:14:48.039 You know, there were even in the eighties they were 1125 01:14:48.039 --> 01:14:52.279 saying Reagan was the beast, Obama was the When I 1126 01:14:52.399 --> 01:14:56.119 was a kid, Uh, barcodes that was that was barcodes 1127 01:14:56.319 --> 01:14:57.880 on all products or the market. 1128 01:14:57.680 --> 01:15:01.840 The beast symbols are you know. I used to have 1129 01:15:01.960 --> 01:15:05.560 a I actually used to have a Christian book that 1130 01:15:05.920 --> 01:15:10.159 had like little cartoon drawings and of of you know, 1131 01:15:10.520 --> 01:15:14.840 like people getting barcodes put on their heads, and that 1132 01:15:14.920 --> 01:15:17.319 you were going to walk around with a UPC symbol 1133 01:15:17.359 --> 01:15:19.319 barcode on your tattooed on your forehead. 1134 01:15:20.560 --> 01:15:24.439 I've seen like inmates that literally have UPC, so like 1135 01:15:25.239 --> 01:15:26.560 people do that. 1136 01:15:27.239 --> 01:15:29.479 I remember that in the nineties too, when people will 1137 01:15:29.520 --> 01:15:31.000 get barcodes tattooed on them to. 1138 01:15:31.000 --> 01:15:32.800 Show that that's right. It was the thing in the nineties. 1139 01:15:32.880 --> 01:15:37.279 Yeah, anti Christ so you know, which, I'm not an 1140 01:15:37.359 --> 01:15:43.119 atheist by any means of the word, but yeah, people 1141 01:15:43.239 --> 01:15:45.880 definitely go to the extreme to show how much they 1142 01:15:46.079 --> 01:15:49.720 despise religion, which I do not despise religion or religious beliefs. 1143 01:15:50.039 --> 01:15:57.159 But the thing of it is is is the the 1144 01:15:57.279 --> 01:16:05.640 evangelical culture primarily is based around. 1145 01:16:07.960 --> 01:16:08.640 A rapture. 1146 01:16:09.399 --> 01:16:15.840 Now there there has been many people who have predicted raptures, 1147 01:16:17.359 --> 01:16:20.840 including Chuck Smith. He predicted that the rapture was going 1148 01:16:20.920 --> 01:16:24.039 to happen in New Year's Day nineteen eighty one, and 1149 01:16:24.239 --> 01:16:25.640 then noting. 1150 01:16:25.840 --> 01:16:28.840 How Lindsey had an eighty eight nineteen eighty eight prediction. 1151 01:16:29.479 --> 01:16:32.439 Yep, so they've all had these predictions, and so they've 1152 01:16:32.479 --> 01:16:36.920 had to go back and rewrite the idea of it, saying, 1153 01:16:37.279 --> 01:16:40.279 you know, so before it was going to be a 1154 01:16:40.520 --> 01:16:46.960 pre apocalypse rapture, and then later it was going to 1155 01:16:47.000 --> 01:16:48.279 be a post to put you know, oh, well, we're 1156 01:16:48.319 --> 01:16:50.960 going to have to live through the tribulation because people 1157 01:16:51.039 --> 01:16:53.079 are starting to see, you know, the signs of the 1158 01:16:53.840 --> 01:16:56.439 of the New World Order, whatever you know people want 1159 01:16:56.479 --> 01:16:58.880 to call it, and they're realizing they're going to have 1160 01:16:58.960 --> 01:17:01.880 to actually live through some of these things that they 1161 01:17:02.000 --> 01:17:04.560 believe are going to correlate with the Book of Revelation. 1162 01:17:05.760 --> 01:17:07.560 So they've come to the conclusion that they will actually 1163 01:17:07.640 --> 01:17:11.439 have to live through the tribulation to make it through 1164 01:17:11.520 --> 01:17:12.319 to the rapture. 1165 01:17:14.279 --> 01:17:15.560 But during the. 1166 01:17:15.600 --> 01:17:21.640 Nineteen sixties and seventies, everybody was pretty convinced that the 1167 01:17:21.760 --> 01:17:29.520 rapture was going to happen. And interestingly enough, there was movies. 1168 01:17:29.840 --> 01:17:33.880 Made, yes good point that went along with this. 1169 01:17:33.960 --> 01:17:37.239 And showed people and it was actually prove in fact, 1170 01:17:37.279 --> 01:17:38.960 there was a movie made of the late Great planet 1171 01:17:39.000 --> 01:17:40.920 Earth that was narrated by Orson Wells. 1172 01:17:41.359 --> 01:17:42.600 Oh wow, I didn't know that. 1173 01:17:43.279 --> 01:17:45.840 Yeah, you could look that up on YouTube. It's awesome. 1174 01:17:47.000 --> 01:17:51.279 I mean that, it's like awesomely bad, right, Yeah, it's 1175 01:17:51.359 --> 01:17:55.560 awesomely it's good bad. Another good bad one is A 1176 01:17:55.680 --> 01:17:58.399 Thief in the Night and you can watch that for 1177 01:17:58.520 --> 01:18:01.880 free on YouTube too, And that's that's the one that 1178 01:18:02.000 --> 01:18:07.640 scared the crap out of me as a kid watching that. 1179 01:18:09.439 --> 01:18:15.199 There's people getting guilatined, there's you know, the rapture comes 1180 01:18:15.319 --> 01:18:17.920 and people are disappearing in their cars on the freeway 1181 01:18:17.960 --> 01:18:22.479 in traffic, set a standstill because people have you know. 1182 01:18:23.359 --> 01:18:25.560 Yeah, you know what, you know what I just watched 1183 01:18:25.560 --> 01:18:28.199 a couple of nights ago, and this probably fits into that. 1184 01:18:28.319 --> 01:18:34.279 Is this like the seventies? Yeah, okay, The Omen, which 1185 01:18:34.319 --> 01:18:38.960 I put on the show banner. That's seventies, and I 1186 01:18:39.119 --> 01:18:42.640 forgot that. There's this really funny part. Anytime Hollywood tries 1187 01:18:42.680 --> 01:18:46.880 to do apocalypse and time stuff, they make up Bible 1188 01:18:46.960 --> 01:18:49.640 quotes every time in a movie. It's it's in tons 1189 01:18:49.640 --> 01:18:51.560 of them, it's in end of Days, it's in uh 1190 01:18:52.840 --> 01:18:56.039 the job, yes, seventh Sign with Demi Moore. 1191 01:18:56.960 --> 01:19:03.439 The anyway, So I'm watching The Omen and Gregor Gregory 1192 01:19:03.560 --> 01:19:07.479 Peck starts Gregory Peck gives birth to the anti Christ, 1193 01:19:07.520 --> 01:19:10.119 and he starts reading Bible verses. 1194 01:19:10.159 --> 01:19:13.199 And he makes up this Bible verse this doesn't exist, 1195 01:19:13.279 --> 01:19:14.880 and it's like, Andre show. 1196 01:19:14.760 --> 01:19:18.520 Your night the entire European continent, and this shall be 1197 01:19:18.680 --> 01:19:20.279 a comet that crosses the sky. 1198 01:19:20.479 --> 01:19:22.239 That's literally what it says. That I'm sitting here thinking 1199 01:19:22.279 --> 01:19:24.520 that is the that was like, did none of them 1200 01:19:24.560 --> 01:19:25.359 read the Bible at all? 1201 01:19:27.239 --> 01:19:29.439 No? I think he was actually reading out of the 1202 01:19:29.520 --> 01:19:36.640 Late Great Planet Earth. Oh, I bet he was, you know, yeah, 1203 01:19:38.079 --> 01:19:40.560 you know, if the Late Great Planet Earth is is 1204 01:19:41.279 --> 01:19:44.640 is a great movie because if you read the book 1205 01:19:45.720 --> 01:19:49.399 and you're cracking up at the fact that he's literally 1206 01:19:49.520 --> 01:19:53.039 going through scriptures and he's saying that when you know, 1207 01:19:53.159 --> 01:19:58.119 easy feels talking about the armies. And then hel Lindsay 1208 01:19:58.199 --> 01:20:00.800 goes down to the bottom after the after he quotes 1209 01:20:00.880 --> 01:20:05.199 the scripture from Ezekiel. He said, obviously, you know, he says, 1210 01:20:05.479 --> 01:20:10.760 he says, obviously the scripture is referring to the Russians 1211 01:20:10.840 --> 01:20:16.039 and their nuclear capability. This is and he's literally saying 1212 01:20:16.159 --> 01:20:21.000 in there that Ezekiel, you know, Ezekiel and Daniel are 1213 01:20:21.159 --> 01:20:24.920 talking about, you know, Russians having nukes. 1214 01:20:25.399 --> 01:20:28.680 Yeah, yeah, and it's uh. I remember a video back 1215 01:20:28.720 --> 01:20:32.359 when I was an evangelical where hal Lindsay said that 1216 01:20:32.560 --> 01:20:34.880 he was still doing the Russia thing, and he was 1217 01:20:34.920 --> 01:20:39.319 saying that when when John in the Apocalypse talks about 1218 01:20:40.039 --> 01:20:44.439 the plagues, and this is when Russia lets loose the nukes, 1219 01:20:44.439 --> 01:20:47.000 and then when when it talks about the scorpions, which 1220 01:20:47.119 --> 01:20:51.319 in the text are demonic spirits, John seeing the spiritual 1221 01:20:51.359 --> 01:20:55.239 realm uh al Lindsay says those are black Hawks because 1222 01:20:55.239 --> 01:20:58.039 they have metal bodies and they he says they're black Hawk. 1223 01:20:58.600 --> 01:21:00.800 He copters, Yeah. 1224 01:21:00.840 --> 01:21:03.760 I think what he was actually referring to was when 1225 01:21:04.359 --> 01:21:07.199 when he was talking about Scorpions, is the band the 1226 01:21:07.239 --> 01:21:10.039 Scorpions when they made that song the winds have change 1227 01:21:10.119 --> 01:21:11.199 when the Berlin Wall fell. 1228 01:21:12.319 --> 01:21:16.359 Okay, well yeah, the wall falling and letting. 1229 01:21:16.520 --> 01:21:22.279 Yeah, yeah, that would be an action of Satan the delute, Yeah, 1230 01:21:22.279 --> 01:21:26.600 the delusion, the delusion of Antoti Gallitzen right in the. 1231 01:21:28.279 --> 01:21:33.039 The comedies are tricking us by the wall falling. Yeah. Yeah, 1232 01:21:33.079 --> 01:21:37.479 so the you know, we're getting out towards two fifty. 1233 01:21:39.520 --> 01:21:41.319 That's pretty good live. 1234 01:21:42.000 --> 01:21:45.800 Yeah, cool, awesome, Hello everybody, thank you for tuning in. 1235 01:21:46.039 --> 01:21:46.920 I appreciate it. 1236 01:21:47.319 --> 01:21:50.920 Yeah, we just jumped up to two forty. So, uh, 1237 01:21:51.039 --> 01:21:53.279 if you're if you're new, if you just clicked into 1238 01:21:53.319 --> 01:21:55.760 the stream where this is jayde Ire from Jay's Analysis. 1239 01:21:55.800 --> 01:22:00.319 We're talking to John Adams of Hoaxbuster's call you. If 1240 01:22:00.359 --> 01:22:02.319 you followed us at all, if you're familiar with then 1241 01:22:02.319 --> 01:22:05.600 I'm sure you've heard us talking together. We've been podcasting 1242 01:22:05.680 --> 01:22:08.800 and interviewing for the last couple of years, and this 1243 01:22:09.039 --> 01:22:12.640 discussion We've gotten into some of the historical characters who 1244 01:22:12.760 --> 01:22:17.119 played a vital role in End Times manipulation, in the 1245 01:22:17.199 --> 01:22:23.520 American deureacracy, the Pentagon, the CIA, these different entities utilizing 1246 01:22:23.600 --> 01:22:28.199 evangelical groups. John, you went through some of the key 1247 01:22:28.239 --> 01:22:30.520 figures like Bill Bright and we talked about the neo 1248 01:22:30.640 --> 01:22:34.439 cons and Ronsfeldt. Do you have any more figures that 1249 01:22:34.680 --> 01:22:38.039 kind of has come to the four like, not necessarily 1250 01:22:38.079 --> 01:22:40.560 how Lendsby, but anybody in that vein that you think 1251 01:22:40.680 --> 01:22:45.560 has a clear connection to to being not what they appear. Sure. 1252 01:22:46.000 --> 01:22:49.960 Oh yeah, Paul Kaine, okay, tell us about him. 1253 01:22:49.960 --> 01:22:51.119 I'm not familiar. Who's Paul Kane. 1254 01:22:51.840 --> 01:22:55.840 Paul Kin You could look him up on your Wikipedia 1255 01:22:56.000 --> 01:22:59.359 right now. And he was an he was a minister, 1256 01:23:01.520 --> 01:23:07.439 but he was also interestingly enough, he worked for the CIA. 1257 01:23:08.159 --> 01:23:13.600 Oh okay, in the paranormal division of the CIA. 1258 01:23:15.039 --> 01:23:17.680 So side spies and Stanford research type stuff. 1259 01:23:18.680 --> 01:23:22.680 Yeah, it's I cannot find any other information except for 1260 01:23:22.800 --> 01:23:26.960 that currently on mister Kane. But here's the interesting thing 1261 01:23:27.039 --> 01:23:31.520 about Paul Cain working for the CIA in the paranormal division. 1262 01:23:34.319 --> 01:23:41.239 He had a protege, and his protege is a man 1263 01:23:41.560 --> 01:23:46.119 by the name of Charles Smith, who goes by Chuck 1264 01:23:47.119 --> 01:23:50.680 Chuck Smith. Chuck Smith went to start one of the 1265 01:23:50.800 --> 01:23:57.560 biggest megachurches to basically begin, and that would be. 1266 01:23:59.439 --> 01:24:04.000 Helpel Calvary Chapel. Yeah you cut out there. 1267 01:24:05.800 --> 01:24:11.399 Yeah, Calvary Chapel Ministries. That's Chuck Smith's ministry. He started 1268 01:24:11.520 --> 01:24:16.279 in Coasta Mesa, California in nineteen sixty eight, somewhere around there. 1269 01:24:16.960 --> 01:24:19.439 I think Dave touches on this and weird scenes inside 1270 01:24:19.479 --> 01:24:26.319 the Canyon a little bit. I don't recall that, but yeah, 1271 01:24:26.359 --> 01:24:29.760 there's the brief mention of Calvary Chapel. And not because 1272 01:24:29.840 --> 01:24:32.399 one of the maybe not Chuck Smith, but one of 1273 01:24:32.520 --> 01:24:37.239 the Laurel Canyon people was instrumental in the early phases 1274 01:24:37.439 --> 01:24:43.359 of the rise of Calvary Chapel. I can find it. 1275 01:24:43.439 --> 01:24:43.800 Go ahead. 1276 01:24:44.079 --> 01:24:46.680 I'm trying to think who it was. But in any case, 1277 01:24:48.840 --> 01:24:51.840 so Chuck Smith. You know, Chuck Smith has an interesting 1278 01:24:52.119 --> 01:24:57.880 history of himself because he he used to teach at 1279 01:24:57.920 --> 01:25:02.560 a four square church in Santa Anna, the four Square 1280 01:25:02.640 --> 01:25:06.159 Church of the Gospel in Santa Anna, and then all 1281 01:25:06.159 --> 01:25:09.439 of a sudden he decides that he doesn't want to 1282 01:25:09.479 --> 01:25:13.840 be part of that ministry. Anymore because he claimed he 1283 01:25:14.039 --> 01:25:18.479 had a vision from God, and the vision from God 1284 01:25:18.600 --> 01:25:22.920 that he had told him that he would be leading 1285 01:25:23.399 --> 01:25:28.239 thousands of people to God and that was his vision 1286 01:25:29.600 --> 01:25:32.399 that God gave him. And so he decided to leave 1287 01:25:32.520 --> 01:25:37.840 his his gig as a minister of the Four Square 1288 01:25:37.880 --> 01:25:41.399 Gospel Church in Santa Ana and decide to take over 1289 01:25:41.520 --> 01:25:45.960 the Calgary Chapel Ministry. And he was able to turn 1290 01:25:46.079 --> 01:25:49.880 it into basically one of the first mega churches. 1291 01:25:50.439 --> 01:25:50.680 Wow. 1292 01:25:53.479 --> 01:25:56.600 And like I said, his mentor was a CIA operative 1293 01:25:57.640 --> 01:26:01.520 for the paranormal of the CIA. So he ended up 1294 01:26:01.560 --> 01:26:05.640 being on you know, Time magazine, you know when they 1295 01:26:05.720 --> 01:26:08.800 had the Jesus People, a Time Magazine article that they 1296 01:26:08.920 --> 01:26:09.600 interviewed him. 1297 01:26:10.119 --> 01:26:10.359 Wow. 1298 01:26:10.439 --> 01:26:12.880 To watch the Jesus People document If you watch the 1299 01:26:13.039 --> 01:26:16.079 Jesus People documentary from the sixties, it features Chuck Smith 1300 01:26:16.119 --> 01:26:20.359 when he's baptizing people at the beach in Corona Del Mar, California. 1301 01:26:22.079 --> 01:26:24.920 This is gold information here, people. I hope you appreciate this. 1302 01:26:26.039 --> 01:26:30.479 Yes, So he was instrumental in the rise of this 1303 01:26:30.640 --> 01:26:33.439 type stuff. I got nothing against people getting baptized at 1304 01:26:33.439 --> 01:26:35.760 the beach. I mean, my parents were baptized by Chuck 1305 01:26:35.840 --> 01:26:38.760 Smith at the Beach in California. 1306 01:26:40.079 --> 01:26:46.640 Schull chuee shoe real quick though, let me let me 1307 01:26:46.720 --> 01:26:50.239 remind the audience that if you want us to read 1308 01:26:50.279 --> 01:26:52.840 your question that we have I think four or five 1309 01:26:52.920 --> 01:26:55.119 super chats that have come in. I'm not just asking 1310 01:26:55.199 --> 01:26:57.960 for shekels. I don't care how much what amount you put. 1311 01:26:59.000 --> 01:27:01.239 But if you would like us to read the questions 1312 01:27:01.319 --> 01:27:05.720 as we near the end of the discussion, just send 1313 01:27:05.800 --> 01:27:08.680 the super chat because as you know, the chats disappear, 1314 01:27:09.159 --> 01:27:12.640 they're going NonStop. I can't read all these chats while 1315 01:27:12.680 --> 01:27:15.560 I talk to John. So if you want your super 1316 01:27:15.680 --> 01:27:20.119 chat to appear at the end, which those remain listed. 1317 01:27:20.119 --> 01:27:22.800 If you want us to answer a question about theology 1318 01:27:22.920 --> 01:27:25.239 about some of the people that John's talking about some 1319 01:27:25.319 --> 01:27:27.960 of the books, you might want to hear the name 1320 01:27:28.119 --> 01:27:31.920 so that you could get the book or whatever. Send 1321 01:27:31.960 --> 01:27:35.000 a super chat anywhere from two up to seventy zillion 1322 01:27:36.239 --> 01:27:38.000 bitcoins and we will take them. 1323 01:27:38.479 --> 01:27:42.840 Go ahead, John, Yes, please donate to Jay or myself. 1324 01:27:42.920 --> 01:27:44.399 We do a lot of research and we put it 1325 01:27:44.439 --> 01:27:46.600 all out there, so it takes a lot, It takes 1326 01:27:46.600 --> 01:27:50.079 a lot of time, and yeah, we're very grateful for 1327 01:27:50.159 --> 01:27:50.600 it as well. 1328 01:27:53.159 --> 01:27:53.560 Yeah, so. 1329 01:27:55.640 --> 01:27:57.880 This is you know that, Like I'm saying nothing else, 1330 01:27:57.880 --> 01:28:02.279 people getting baptized at the beach. I mean when when 1331 01:28:02.399 --> 01:28:06.439 I was and you know involved, I got baptized in 1332 01:28:06.880 --> 01:28:08.000 the pool in the backyard. 1333 01:28:08.800 --> 01:28:13.720 You're saying that Chuck Smith brought a bunch of olive 1334 01:28:13.760 --> 01:28:15.720 oil and dumped it on your head in a pool 1335 01:28:16.199 --> 01:28:20.760 and a kiddie pool, and the CIA anointed you to 1336 01:28:20.880 --> 01:28:22.560 be their boy. That's what you're saying. 1337 01:28:24.840 --> 01:28:29.960 Well, luckily I was not anointed or baptized by Chuck Smith. 1338 01:28:30.039 --> 01:28:31.720 So that was before you got That was before you 1339 01:28:31.800 --> 01:28:34.960 went to the Benny Hen Show. 1340 01:28:35.520 --> 01:28:42.720 There's another character there. But anyways, you know, like I said, 1341 01:28:42.760 --> 01:28:45.960 this is a this is another interesting thing, and there's 1342 01:28:45.960 --> 01:28:48.560 a lot of information that kind of correlates. It's kind 1343 01:28:48.560 --> 01:28:50.760 of hard to articulate it and get it all in there. 1344 01:28:50.800 --> 01:28:52.800 But you have to think about this time period too. 1345 01:28:52.840 --> 01:28:59.640 So Coasta Mesa, California, nineteen sixty eight. The landscape around 1346 01:28:59.720 --> 01:29:05.720 this area is very conservative. It's a very conservative landscape. 1347 01:29:06.199 --> 01:29:10.279 This is where some of the biggest military contractors in 1348 01:29:10.359 --> 01:29:18.560 the world were located. Orange County Coqui, colloquially for many 1349 01:29:18.600 --> 01:29:21.479 years was known as the Orange Curtain. 1350 01:29:22.119 --> 01:29:25.920 And this is where we're going to get Silicon Valley too, right, absolutely, yeah. 1351 01:29:26.239 --> 01:29:28.840 And so the Orange curt the reason it was known 1352 01:29:28.880 --> 01:29:32.560 as the Orange Curtain is because there was so many 1353 01:29:33.279 --> 01:29:38.560 It was like almost like nine right when conservatives loaded 1354 01:29:38.560 --> 01:29:44.359 in Orange County in the nineteen sixties and seventies. And 1355 01:29:44.600 --> 01:29:47.800 so it's very interesting in the in the beginning of 1356 01:29:47.880 --> 01:29:52.439 this post modern time period that a postmodern kind of 1357 01:29:52.640 --> 01:29:57.119 evangelicism made up of primarily ex hippies and ex drug 1358 01:29:57.279 --> 01:30:04.279 users that are being moved into what would later be 1359 01:30:04.520 --> 01:30:08.680 the religion that would help to bring about Ronald Reagan 1360 01:30:08.920 --> 01:30:13.000 and super militarization just happens to come out of this 1361 01:30:13.279 --> 01:30:21.600 area high conic concentration of military industrial complex and you know, 1362 01:30:21.800 --> 01:30:26.640 John Birch society type stuff. So that to me is 1363 01:30:26.800 --> 01:30:30.319 very interesting that that is, yeah, stuff kind of correlates. 1364 01:30:30.359 --> 01:30:34.520 It's also interesting to note that within a ten to 1365 01:30:35.800 --> 01:30:39.600 fifteen mile radius you have some of the biggest churches 1366 01:30:39.640 --> 01:30:44.039 in the world all right there, So literally across the 1367 01:30:44.119 --> 01:30:46.840 freeway from Calbary Chapel is TBN. 1368 01:30:47.680 --> 01:30:50.760 Oh wow, I did not know that, okay. And by 1369 01:30:50.800 --> 01:30:54.439 the way, there was documents that were that were out 1370 01:30:54.560 --> 01:30:57.039 a while, but they may not be legit, but I mean, 1371 01:30:57.039 --> 01:30:58.560 come on, it's not hard to believe. But there was 1372 01:30:58.720 --> 01:31:02.319 like FBI dot documents about Paul Crouch having a bunch 1373 01:31:02.319 --> 01:31:05.520 of running a bunch of Hey, Paul Crouch had some 1374 01:31:05.600 --> 01:31:08.600 connection to the mafia, is what this was that came 1375 01:31:08.640 --> 01:31:10.359 out three or four years ago. It was a big 1376 01:31:10.399 --> 01:31:13.640 news story for a little while and it disappeared. I'm 1377 01:31:13.680 --> 01:31:15.359 not saying that that means the FBI was good. I 1378 01:31:15.720 --> 01:31:18.960 mean the CIA and the mafia and these people like 1379 01:31:19.039 --> 01:31:21.720 Paul Crouch, I mean they're they're like all joined at 1380 01:31:21.720 --> 01:31:24.760 the hip. So it's not I'm not trying to defend institutions. 1381 01:31:24.800 --> 01:31:28.600 I'm just saying that's very believable, is what I'm trying 1382 01:31:28.640 --> 01:31:30.840 to say. Yeah, the one, the one. 1383 01:31:31.199 --> 01:31:33.960 The one interesting story that Jordan Maxwell has is that 1384 01:31:36.039 --> 01:31:39.640 he had a friend who worked at a Belbo Balboa Beach, 1385 01:31:40.159 --> 01:31:44.279 which is the Newport Beach liquor store that used that 1386 01:31:44.439 --> 01:31:48.079 used to deliver liquor to Paul and Jen Crouch's parties. 1387 01:31:49.319 --> 01:31:52.720 So Paul and Jen Crouch would have parties with liquor 1388 01:31:53.039 --> 01:31:59.000 at them. Interesting. Uh. It was also rumored that Paul Crouch, 1389 01:31:59.119 --> 01:31:59.439 I think. 1390 01:31:59.359 --> 01:32:01.439 She spilled some that purple drank in her hair. 1391 01:32:01.600 --> 01:32:05.279 Dude's purple stuff. 1392 01:32:05.359 --> 01:32:08.279 He's got cotton candy hair. Yeah. 1393 01:32:08.640 --> 01:32:12.720 It's also rumored Paul Crouch was a you know, closet homosexual. Right, 1394 01:32:16.239 --> 01:32:20.079 So yeah, TBN down the street from TBN. Pretty, you're 1395 01:32:20.119 --> 01:32:24.800 down down the freeway from TBN to Saddleback Church. Wow. 1396 01:32:26.640 --> 01:32:29.720 Just a little bit north of those churches is the 1397 01:32:29.800 --> 01:32:36.119 Crystal Cathedral with Robe. Just a little bit here over 1398 01:32:36.159 --> 01:32:39.439 across the way near Disneyland is the Vineyard. 1399 01:32:40.680 --> 01:32:44.199 Holy like Petriot Dish. 1400 01:32:45.079 --> 01:32:50.359 Yeah, literally across the street. Directly across the street from Disneyland. 1401 01:32:50.760 --> 01:32:52.760 There used to be a church that was very popular 1402 01:32:52.840 --> 01:32:55.199 in the seventies and eighties. It was called melody Land, 1403 01:32:56.800 --> 01:33:03.640 and that was a steampull of kind of you know, 1404 01:33:03.880 --> 01:33:08.239 kind of hippie kind or not more you know Jesus 1405 01:33:08.319 --> 01:33:12.359 people kind of evangelical stuff comes out of melody Land. 1406 01:33:12.399 --> 01:33:14.239 And then you know, when you get up into Los Angeles, 1407 01:33:14.479 --> 01:33:16.920 like I said before, you get all those other types 1408 01:33:16.960 --> 01:33:25.199 of churches, the ones slipping but slipping my mind. But 1409 01:33:25.279 --> 01:33:28.680 the campus crusades from for Christ comes from u c 1410 01:33:28.880 --> 01:33:31.760 l A. That's where Bill Bright started the campus Crusades 1411 01:33:32.960 --> 01:33:36.279 at the campus of u c l A. Henrietta Henrietta 1412 01:33:36.359 --> 01:33:41.439 Meres lived in bel Air, which is right above, which 1413 01:33:41.680 --> 01:33:44.760 is right above U. C. L A. And this is 1414 01:33:44.800 --> 01:33:51.479 all in and around Hollywood, So very very interesting that 1415 01:33:51.600 --> 01:33:58.119 all this type of stuff correlates around Hollywood military intelligence agencies. 1416 01:33:59.199 --> 01:34:01.199 You've got the you know, you've got the same old 1417 01:34:01.239 --> 01:34:07.560 stuff here, basically, is what I'm saying. And and you know, 1418 01:34:08.520 --> 01:34:11.479 like I mentioned the Crystal Theater, Robert Schuler, you know, 1419 01:34:11.560 --> 01:34:14.199 he kind of plays a little role in this kind 1420 01:34:14.239 --> 01:34:18.399 of another thing that pops its head up with evangelicism. 1421 01:34:18.960 --> 01:34:21.279 Real quick, John, let me ask you, while we're on 1422 01:34:21.319 --> 01:34:28.279 the topic of Schuler and all that garbage. If I recalled, 1423 01:34:28.319 --> 01:34:31.800 didn't you at one time make the point about the 1424 01:34:32.119 --> 01:34:36.239 the new Thought positive thinking movement Norman Vincent Peelee. Didn't 1425 01:34:36.279 --> 01:34:38.279 that have some kind of deep state connection to or 1426 01:34:38.279 --> 01:34:42.560 at least some social engineering money. And because that's what 1427 01:34:42.720 --> 01:34:46.279 Robert Schuler is, it's just like a window dressing quote 1428 01:34:46.359 --> 01:34:49.479 Christianity version of Norman Vincent Peel stuff. Right. 1429 01:34:50.920 --> 01:34:54.159 Yeah, Actually yah, I was just about to say prosperity Gospel, Yeah, 1430 01:34:55.119 --> 01:34:56.520 pops its stuff up with. 1431 01:34:56.600 --> 01:34:59.279 Robert and you talked about new Thought, right, I mean, 1432 01:34:59.399 --> 01:35:00.880 is is that connected. 1433 01:35:00.479 --> 01:35:05.720 To this absolutely. Okay, yeah, the yeah, if you go on, 1434 01:35:05.800 --> 01:35:11.199 if you go on Robert Schuler's wiki page, if if 1435 01:35:11.199 --> 01:35:13.279 it's still if it's still there in its same form, 1436 01:35:18.199 --> 01:35:25.600 it's it says he's a mottivational speaker. So so I 1437 01:35:26.680 --> 01:35:27.520 thought that was funny. 1438 01:35:28.199 --> 01:35:30.680 Do you hear my Jordan Peterson thing? I was saying 1439 01:35:30.720 --> 01:35:37.600 that people are Jordan Peterson is Tony Robbins and Milo 1440 01:35:38.359 --> 01:35:40.399 in the body of a young Vincent Price. 1441 01:35:41.560 --> 01:35:42.119 I saw that. 1442 01:35:42.560 --> 01:35:46.920 Okay, that's gonna that's gonna make everybody mad, but that's okay. 1443 01:35:46.960 --> 01:35:47.880 But anyway, so go ahead. 1444 01:35:48.760 --> 01:35:50.560 Yeah, I listened to your critique. It was a very 1445 01:35:51.640 --> 01:35:53.439 very interesting and good. 1446 01:35:54.720 --> 01:35:55.319 The Uh. 1447 01:35:58.159 --> 01:36:00.319 Yeah, so Robert, you know, Robert Schuler, you also plays 1448 01:36:00.359 --> 01:36:03.920 a big role in kind of this shifting and changing 1449 01:36:04.279 --> 01:36:12.000 uh you know, uh time period of religion. He had 1450 01:36:12.000 --> 01:36:15.119 a drive in movie theater, uh that he converted into 1451 01:36:15.199 --> 01:36:15.600 a church. 1452 01:36:16.680 --> 01:36:16.920 Wow. 1453 01:36:17.279 --> 01:36:22.439 Really the cathedral used to be a drive in movie theater. 1454 01:36:22.680 --> 01:36:27.760 He would actually have people drive in and he would 1455 01:36:27.800 --> 01:36:29.960 be on the loud speaker with the boxes in the 1456 01:36:30.039 --> 01:36:32.199 cars like in the in movie theater you know, back. 1457 01:36:32.159 --> 01:36:34.279 When Riven that is insane. 1458 01:36:35.079 --> 01:36:37.479 Yeah, And so he had that and then he built 1459 01:36:37.520 --> 01:36:41.279 the Christal Cathedral or the first you know, the what 1460 01:36:41.520 --> 01:36:48.079 was it called the the Tower, uh, the Tower of 1461 01:36:48.199 --> 01:36:55.399 Hope tower, yeah, tower of Hope, but the Tower of 1462 01:36:55.560 --> 01:37:01.119 Power because he had yeah yeah, Joyce Riley. 1463 01:37:01.399 --> 01:37:04.239 Oh yeah, well all these people are interchangeable. It's all 1464 01:37:04.239 --> 01:37:04.920 the same bullshit. 1465 01:37:06.039 --> 01:37:07.600 This was called the Hour of Power. 1466 01:37:08.239 --> 01:37:11.720 Oh yeah, so uh. 1467 01:37:13.520 --> 01:37:17.119 So yeah. Another thing that kind of correlates with the 1468 01:37:17.319 --> 01:37:25.239 changing with the modernization of religion, of Christian religion, which 1469 01:37:25.800 --> 01:37:28.880 I always think is quite hilarious because we've talked about 1470 01:37:28.880 --> 01:37:30.479 this a little bit before on some of our I 1471 01:37:30.520 --> 01:37:37.800 think when we were talking about Acumenicism, was was Schuler 1472 01:37:37.960 --> 01:37:41.600 employed Richard Neutra to build the Tower of Hope and 1473 01:37:41.640 --> 01:37:44.560 then he employed Philip Johnson to build the Crystal Cathedral, 1474 01:37:44.640 --> 01:37:47.720 which I mean, those are the most modernist architects. 1475 01:37:48.520 --> 01:37:51.720 Yeah. Right, that's a good point of the time period. 1476 01:37:51.760 --> 01:37:55.000 So he employs these you know, modernist architects to build 1477 01:37:55.000 --> 01:37:58.239 this church and the Crystal Cathedral. If you go look 1478 01:37:58.279 --> 01:38:02.680 at it from the front angle, it's an upside down pyramid. 1479 01:38:03.399 --> 01:38:03.720 Hmmm. 1480 01:38:04.720 --> 01:38:06.840 Right, So it's got this kind of odd shape, but 1481 01:38:07.079 --> 01:38:10.760 the front part of it is an upside down triangle. 1482 01:38:11.399 --> 01:38:13.399 So there you know it. 1483 01:38:13.760 --> 01:38:19.439 The cathedral itself bears no resemblance to anything having to 1484 01:38:19.520 --> 01:38:21.600 do with the church whatsoever. 1485 01:38:22.319 --> 01:38:23.760 Right, that's a good point, you know. 1486 01:38:23.960 --> 01:38:26.399 So, yeah, you're you're, you're absolutely correct. He was a 1487 01:38:26.520 --> 01:38:29.760 part of the Prosperity Gospel, the New Thought, you know, 1488 01:38:29.880 --> 01:38:32.439 kind of a continuation of the Norman Vincent. 1489 01:38:32.199 --> 01:38:34.680 Peel and Norman Vincent Peel, if I recall, was a 1490 01:38:34.760 --> 01:38:36.720 high level Mason. He was either a thirty two or 1491 01:38:36.760 --> 01:38:38.680 thirty three degree free Mason. 1492 01:38:39.399 --> 01:38:41.119 So so was so was Schuler. 1493 01:38:41.239 --> 01:38:42.560 Yeah, okay, okay, that makes sense. 1494 01:38:43.640 --> 01:38:48.960 Norman Vincent Peel was Rockefeller funded. Oh okay, he had 1495 01:38:49.079 --> 01:38:52.840 Rock money kind of backing him up to I think 1496 01:38:52.960 --> 01:38:56.000 he was from New York if i'm if I'm remembering correctly, 1497 01:38:56.039 --> 01:39:02.920 don't quote me on that. But yeah, when you get 1498 01:39:02.960 --> 01:39:06.239 back into the h there's a there's a good book 1499 01:39:06.319 --> 01:39:11.960 on this, Kate Bowler's book. It's called Blessed History, a 1500 01:39:12.119 --> 01:39:14.960 History of Prosperity Gospel. People should check that out. There's 1501 01:39:14.960 --> 01:39:20.880 another one. There's another one called The Charismatic Century. People 1502 01:39:21.560 --> 01:39:23.319 could go back and read that and kind of goes 1503 01:39:23.359 --> 01:39:28.640 into the history of the uh, you know, like the 1504 01:39:28.720 --> 01:39:33.920 Azuza Street Revival. Yes, right, that's another That's another thing. 1505 01:39:34.239 --> 01:39:35.920 I didn't bring this up with Tim, but I'll bring 1506 01:39:35.960 --> 01:39:39.600 it up with you. That's another interesting thing about California 1507 01:39:39.680 --> 01:39:42.600 is it's home to one of the biggest Christian universities 1508 01:39:42.640 --> 01:39:50.600 in the world. Is Pacific Mm hmm, I do about this, Yeah, 1509 01:39:50.640 --> 01:39:58.920 AZUSA Pacific University is a very large, uh Christian institution. 1510 01:39:59.279 --> 01:40:01.199 I I I don't. 1511 01:40:01.279 --> 01:40:03.880 I believe it's a non denominational university. 1512 01:40:04.359 --> 01:40:06.439 Oh okay, so it's like, is it like a is 1513 01:40:06.479 --> 01:40:09.119 it charismatic in the tradition of the Azuza Street Revival 1514 01:40:09.600 --> 01:40:10.279 giant school? 1515 01:40:11.880 --> 01:40:15.159 I I would, I would tend to think so. 1516 01:40:15.279 --> 01:40:16.039 I didn't. 1517 01:40:16.199 --> 01:40:18.079 You know, I don't know that for a fact, But 1518 01:40:18.479 --> 01:40:21.239 I just know that there's not really any sort of 1519 01:40:22.600 --> 01:40:25.920 Usually you go, you know, you have religious universities, there's 1520 01:40:25.960 --> 01:40:29.199 some sort of denomination attached to it, right, you know, 1521 01:40:29.680 --> 01:40:34.800 Southern method as Southern Baptist or you know, Catholic universities 1522 01:40:34.920 --> 01:40:41.319 or whatever. A Zoosa Pacific is a non denominational Christian 1523 01:40:41.520 --> 01:40:46.239 like a Christian university, and it basically kind of correlates 1524 01:40:46.319 --> 01:40:52.359 with a kind of uh no, no, sort of denomination 1525 01:40:52.680 --> 01:40:57.840 kind of the evangel the Evangelical University. Another another guy 1526 01:40:57.880 --> 01:41:02.159 who actually lived in California and died in Newport Beach 1527 01:41:02.439 --> 01:41:03.359 was Oral Roberts. 1528 01:41:03.840 --> 01:41:06.159 I was about to bring up Oral Roberts University. 1529 01:41:06.319 --> 01:41:12.119 Yeah, yeah, which, uh, which many many of today's big 1530 01:41:12.279 --> 01:41:16.600 time pastors actually graduated from. 1531 01:41:16.760 --> 01:41:17.960 Oral Roberts University. 1532 01:41:18.760 --> 01:41:22.439 Yeah, and so Oral Roberts was there to churn out 1533 01:41:22.479 --> 01:41:23.439 the next way he was. 1534 01:41:23.560 --> 01:41:25.880 Yeah, he was turning out that like the like the 1535 01:41:26.000 --> 01:41:30.319 Kenneth Copelands and these kind of guys. Yeah. 1536 01:41:30.560 --> 01:41:33.479 I think Benny did Benny Hinn go to Oral Roberts University? 1537 01:41:33.520 --> 01:41:37.840 I think so, Yeah, Yeah, and maybe even TD Jakes 1538 01:41:38.039 --> 01:41:39.920 did or something like that. One of the black guys 1539 01:41:40.000 --> 01:41:43.720 did something like that. I can't remember. 1540 01:41:45.840 --> 01:41:51.680 So do we have you got any more juicy? I 1541 01:41:51.760 --> 01:41:53.680 mean this is great, there's a lot of juicy nuggets. 1542 01:41:53.680 --> 01:41:57.199 We've still got two hundred and twenty three two thirty 1543 01:41:57.840 --> 01:41:58.840 people watching. 1544 01:41:59.159 --> 01:41:59.279 Uh. 1545 01:41:59.800 --> 01:42:03.600 If if you want us to move into the question period, 1546 01:42:04.680 --> 01:42:07.880 h do send a super chat here and we'll read 1547 01:42:07.880 --> 01:42:08.600 your question. 1548 01:42:10.960 --> 01:42:11.279 A lot. 1549 01:42:11.399 --> 01:42:13.239 It looks like we've got a good bit of the 1550 01:42:13.359 --> 01:42:17.359 atheist types in the chat here. The crimes in the Bible, 1551 01:42:18.119 --> 01:42:20.680 genocide in the Bible. Yeah, I'd be glad to eventually 1552 01:42:20.800 --> 01:42:23.239 do those topics. That's not what we're here to talk 1553 01:42:23.239 --> 01:42:30.119 about tonight, But that's okay, I'm not I didn't come 1554 01:42:30.159 --> 01:42:32.720 on here to debate the Bible. Yeah, this is not 1555 01:42:32.840 --> 01:42:35.279 like atheist night. What we're here to talk about is 1556 01:42:35.359 --> 01:42:39.039 the social engineering behind the end time stuff. And then 1557 01:42:39.199 --> 01:42:42.159 when we finished talking with John, I will give some 1558 01:42:42.319 --> 01:42:46.039 of my book recommendations for people that, you know, want 1559 01:42:46.079 --> 01:42:49.199 to delve deeper into this topic. And I'm going to recommend, 1560 01:42:49.279 --> 01:42:52.560 you know, readable sized books, not giant things, for people 1561 01:42:52.680 --> 01:42:55.159 that want to get my perspective on it, because I 1562 01:42:55.239 --> 01:42:58.479 get that question a lot. So we do have some 1563 01:42:59.159 --> 01:43:01.720 super chats here. Are they any good questions or they 1564 01:43:01.880 --> 01:43:08.359 just chats? Send more, mammon. That is a good statement, 1565 01:43:08.479 --> 01:43:12.359 but not exactly a question. The Big Brother fart analogy 1566 01:43:12.680 --> 01:43:15.880 made made me pee myself laughing. Well, I'm glad I 1567 01:43:15.960 --> 01:43:19.039 could make you pee and laugh at the same time. 1568 01:43:20.800 --> 01:43:25.960 Increase Jones audio. We did that. So how do here's one? 1569 01:43:26.039 --> 01:43:29.640 How do UFOs tie into the apocalypse? That's a good question. 1570 01:43:29.880 --> 01:43:33.199 I don't actually think that UFOs are part of the apocalypse. 1571 01:43:33.880 --> 01:43:37.119 I think that it's possible that maybe and there could 1572 01:43:37.199 --> 01:43:41.159 be some kind of strange phenomenon at the end and 1573 01:43:41.479 --> 01:43:43.319 end Days or something like that. But I don't think 1574 01:43:43.359 --> 01:43:45.119 that we know when the end and End Days is. 1575 01:43:46.199 --> 01:43:48.600 I think that as it gets closer to that time period, 1576 01:43:48.640 --> 01:43:53.039 it'll be evident. But I don't think that there are 1577 01:43:53.119 --> 01:43:56.079 aliens that are flying around in space and watching us 1578 01:43:56.119 --> 01:44:00.840 or anything like that. So that would be my response 1579 01:44:00.920 --> 01:44:03.239 to that question. We got a couple more here. 1580 01:44:04.760 --> 01:44:06.159 Can I answer? Can I answer that question? 1581 01:44:06.199 --> 01:44:07.960 Yeah, John got Yeah, sure, be feel free. 1582 01:44:09.960 --> 01:44:14.319 There was a movement in the sixties and seventies to 1583 01:44:14.760 --> 01:44:16.920 tie Jesus to aliens. 1584 01:44:18.000 --> 01:44:21.680 Okay, talk about that done, and then into. 1585 01:44:21.439 --> 01:44:24.159 The nineteen eighties, this idea that Jesus is going to 1586 01:44:24.199 --> 01:44:28.840 come into spaceship. There's a there's a song out there, 1587 01:44:29.000 --> 01:44:31.239 a song I really like a lot. It's pretty. It's 1588 01:44:31.359 --> 01:44:35.239 called UFO. It's by Jim Sullivan, and it's literally a 1589 01:44:35.319 --> 01:44:37.960 song about Jesus coming down in the spaceship. I think 1590 01:44:38.079 --> 01:44:42.800 Speared in the Sky kind of has been kind of 1591 01:44:43.479 --> 01:44:46.159 used in that way in the culture to kind of 1592 01:44:46.359 --> 01:44:49.600 play that Jesus connected, you know, Like don't they use 1593 01:44:49.640 --> 01:44:53.159 Spirit in the sky in like Apollo thirteen or something 1594 01:44:53.199 --> 01:45:01.279 so it's kind of yeah, good plant to NASA and space. Yeah, 1595 01:45:01.840 --> 01:45:07.039 the idea, this is a theosophical idea as well, because 1596 01:45:07.640 --> 01:45:13.399 good point, you know, Blovatsky specifically talks about how Jesus 1597 01:45:13.560 --> 01:45:16.760 is one of the space Brothers and good point. 1598 01:45:16.840 --> 01:45:20.279 Yeah, I forgot about that, you know. So yeah, exo 1599 01:45:20.479 --> 01:45:25.680 theology is a classic attempt of cults. And if you 1600 01:45:25.800 --> 01:45:29.159 heard the interviews with James Kelly and the cult series, 1601 01:45:29.600 --> 01:45:33.359 the Nation of Islam has the exo theology alien element. 1602 01:45:33.760 --> 01:45:40.920 Scientology has the exo theology alien element. Jim Jones actually 1603 01:45:41.159 --> 01:45:44.880 People's Temple had the the alien exo theology element. So 1604 01:45:44.920 --> 01:45:48.439 that's a very smooth the ray aliens I mentioned them 1605 01:45:48.479 --> 01:45:51.960 in my book. That's a very smooth transition from Jesus 1606 01:45:52.079 --> 01:45:55.479 to the space brothers. And the CIA has been involved 1607 01:45:55.479 --> 01:45:56.199 in that for a long time. 1608 01:45:57.079 --> 01:45:59.880 Yeah, and there's other elements of that too, I mean 1609 01:46:00.000 --> 01:46:03.119 to a certain extent, like Mormons are all into transhumanism. 1610 01:46:03.399 --> 01:46:07.880 That's a good point, spaceships and uh, you know all 1611 01:46:08.159 --> 01:46:12.680 that type of stuff. You know, I would say that 1612 01:46:14.560 --> 01:46:17.399 there's other pop culture, there's other pop culture stuff that 1613 01:46:17.520 --> 01:46:21.399 kind of implies that, you know, Jesus is a space 1614 01:46:21.520 --> 01:46:26.560 brother in flying in the UFO Udanakin sitchen. 1615 01:46:27.479 --> 01:46:29.720 Yeah, well, I mean the rapture idea is kind of, 1616 01:46:29.840 --> 01:46:31.920 you know, kind of in the same principle here, like 1617 01:46:31.920 --> 01:46:34.760 remember Heaven's Gate. Heavens Gate was another exo theology and 1618 01:46:34.800 --> 01:46:36.359 they thought they're gonna get raptured. 1619 01:46:36.000 --> 01:46:41.520 And yeah, yeah, so you have this this kind of 1620 01:46:41.560 --> 01:46:45.319 stuff actually kind of making its way into pop culture 1621 01:46:45.439 --> 01:46:48.880 because I think a lot of the ancient alien type 1622 01:46:48.920 --> 01:46:53.079 stuff would would imply like I think what they what 1623 01:46:53.279 --> 01:46:57.840 what that type of stuff tries to do is whereas 1624 01:46:58.079 --> 01:47:00.279 you get you know, the people, there's the people out 1625 01:47:00.279 --> 01:47:06.039 there who say, and I'm not disagreeing with some of 1626 01:47:06.119 --> 01:47:08.640 this stuff, well, let's just say I'm just going to 1627 01:47:08.760 --> 01:47:11.720 be objective about the information. So there's the people who 1628 01:47:11.720 --> 01:47:15.920 would say that Mohammed or Jesus does never existed in history, right, 1629 01:47:17.159 --> 01:47:20.319 And then there's the people who would say, well, they existed, 1630 01:47:20.520 --> 01:47:24.039 but they were they were the ancient aliens. They were 1631 01:47:24.039 --> 01:47:26.600 sent here, but they were sent here by the ancient aliens. 1632 01:47:26.680 --> 01:47:32.439 They you know, you know when the ascension, Jesus's ascension 1633 01:47:32.840 --> 01:47:37.600 was him being beamed up by a UFO and you know, 1634 01:47:37.720 --> 01:47:43.840 Giorgio Sukulos can prove this, right, So I'm sure that 1635 01:47:43.960 --> 01:47:46.800 this type of stuff, uh plus plus you know, all 1636 01:47:46.880 --> 01:47:49.039 all that type of stuff. They'll go into other religions, 1637 01:47:49.119 --> 01:47:54.159 like you know, the Hindu karma wheel is actually a UFO, right, yes. 1638 01:47:54.079 --> 01:47:57.600 Good point. Yeah, the wheels of Ezekiel become giant spaceships, 1639 01:47:57.640 --> 01:48:00.600 and that's also the Hindu chariot, right yeah, So. 1640 01:48:00.800 --> 01:48:06.840 Yeah, Ezekiel saw a spaceship. Ezekiel Elijah went up in 1641 01:48:06.920 --> 01:48:10.760 a in a spaceship, right, it was it was a chariot. 1642 01:48:10.880 --> 01:48:13.520 But because well, i mean, come on, Jade, they didn't 1643 01:48:13.560 --> 01:48:15.199 know what UFOs looked like back then. 1644 01:48:15.239 --> 01:48:18.399 They just saw, right, just like hal Lindsay says that 1645 01:48:19.119 --> 01:48:23.960 the apostle John, you didn't know what a black hawk was. 1646 01:48:24.079 --> 01:48:26.880 So if John saw black hawk, he would describe it 1647 01:48:26.960 --> 01:48:29.439 as a giant scorpion with a metal body. 1648 01:48:30.199 --> 01:48:32.840 So let me tell you them, there's a black cock 1649 01:48:33.119 --> 01:48:35.439 coming down in my house right now. I'm not kidding 1650 01:48:35.439 --> 01:48:38.199 they just it's been following ever since we started doing 1651 01:48:38.239 --> 01:48:38.840 this broadcast. 1652 01:48:40.359 --> 01:48:43.560 Vintage Alex there, this is old. This is like nineteen 1653 01:48:43.640 --> 01:48:47.159 ninety eight Alex when he was doing America Destroyed by Design. 1654 01:48:47.199 --> 01:48:47.880 Remember that one. 1655 01:48:48.560 --> 01:48:50.720 Yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah, so many times. 1656 01:48:50.760 --> 01:48:54.119 Okay, we got two more questions here. We got a 1657 01:48:54.199 --> 01:48:57.960 couple of super chats. Pepe I wonder who Pepe is? 1658 01:48:58.079 --> 01:49:03.479 Pepe keck the Malachi Martin said, the Soviet Union faked 1659 01:49:03.520 --> 01:49:06.880 its own death. Yes, if you go back when the 1660 01:49:07.039 --> 01:49:10.199 show is archived after we finished tonight, you'll hear we 1661 01:49:10.319 --> 01:49:15.000 did for a section cover defectors. We mentioned Anatoli Galitzen, 1662 01:49:15.039 --> 01:49:18.359 and we mentioned Yuri Besmanov, and we mentioned him in 1663 01:49:18.399 --> 01:49:23.199 the context of being skeptical of defectors. And so Malachi Martin, 1664 01:49:23.239 --> 01:49:25.439 I would say, is just as dubious as these same 1665 01:49:25.560 --> 01:49:27.640 kinds of characters. If you read Keys of This Blood, 1666 01:49:27.680 --> 01:49:31.439 it's all about fostering the Cold War. Malachai Martin's whole 1667 01:49:31.479 --> 01:49:33.880 thing is the Commies are gonna get us, The comedies 1668 01:49:33.920 --> 01:49:36.640 are going to get us. That's who's infiltrating the church. 1669 01:49:37.359 --> 01:49:40.960 He never mentions that he was probably Cia and all 1670 01:49:41.000 --> 01:49:43.760 of his Cia buddies that were common during that church. 1671 01:49:44.319 --> 01:49:48.880 As David Wimhoff shows emphatically, dogmatically, without any doubt, it's 1672 01:49:48.920 --> 01:49:51.960 one hund percent proven in his book. So I don't 1673 01:49:52.119 --> 01:49:57.199 trust defectors. It's a great engine of CIA disinformation defector stories. 1674 01:49:58.000 --> 01:49:59.800 So we did cover that. You can just listen to 1675 01:49:59.880 --> 01:50:02.079 it later. John, any comments on that question. 1676 01:50:04.159 --> 01:50:07.000 I own The Jesuits by Malachi Martin, but I've never 1677 01:50:07.079 --> 01:50:09.159 read it, and I've never read any of his other books, 1678 01:50:09.319 --> 01:50:11.039 so I have no comments. 1679 01:50:12.760 --> 01:50:16.359 Next question is do you know about Robert Weber and 1680 01:50:16.479 --> 01:50:21.800 the convergence movement trying to bring evangelical, charismatic and traditional 1681 01:50:21.880 --> 01:50:25.239 style liturgies together. Yes. In fact, I remember when I 1682 01:50:25.319 --> 01:50:28.640 first started seeing this trend about ten years ago. I 1683 01:50:28.840 --> 01:50:33.039 started researching the history of the Emergent Church, which I 1684 01:50:33.079 --> 01:50:36.199 guess maybe now it's convergent Church and all this stuff 1685 01:50:36.239 --> 01:50:38.359 does it? The names don't match the same kind of thing, 1686 01:50:38.960 --> 01:50:41.680 And yeah, it's a kind of a way to try 1687 01:50:41.720 --> 01:50:44.560 to draw people out of as we talked about the 1688 01:50:44.600 --> 01:50:48.039 beginning of the conversation, more traditional movements into new fads, 1689 01:50:48.600 --> 01:50:52.560 and so the corporations, even the CIA, these de Pentagon, 1690 01:50:52.960 --> 01:50:56.439 they all experiment with these different flavors of movements to 1691 01:50:56.600 --> 01:50:59.479 draw people and test, you know, in these different things. 1692 01:51:00.199 --> 01:51:04.520 All of these big megachurches are uh, you know, government 1693 01:51:04.760 --> 01:51:07.239 run stuff, and so Alf Jones was right about that part. 1694 01:51:07.319 --> 01:51:10.319 But but yes, we did earlier on We did mention 1695 01:51:10.760 --> 01:51:13.840 the emergent church movement and we did talk about it 1696 01:51:14.239 --> 01:51:18.880 having connections to the deep State. So John, any thoughts 1697 01:51:18.920 --> 01:51:19.039 on that. 1698 01:51:21.239 --> 01:51:29.079 Yeah, I think I think what happens is is over time, uh, 1699 01:51:29.840 --> 01:51:32.520 whatever whatever it may be, people start to kind of 1700 01:51:32.640 --> 01:51:36.600 go back to you know, they get they get tired, 1701 01:51:36.920 --> 01:51:40.479 you know, the the megachurch type stuff. It's going to 1702 01:51:40.560 --> 01:51:43.439 run its course, so people might kind of go back 1703 01:51:43.520 --> 01:51:46.880 to something earlier, like maybe look for some more traditional 1704 01:51:46.920 --> 01:51:49.720 type stuff. In fact that I actually saw a Presbyterian 1705 01:51:50.600 --> 01:51:53.960 pastor kind of talking about this. Uh, they kind of 1706 01:51:54.239 --> 01:51:59.920 kept their worship service in line with what original worre 1707 01:52:00.079 --> 01:52:05.439 ship services were, and he was expecting that that there 1708 01:52:05.560 --> 01:52:08.760 was going to be a re emergence of that old 1709 01:52:08.840 --> 01:52:13.600 type of worship because people were going to tire of 1710 01:52:14.920 --> 01:52:17.760 you know, Joel Ostein and all that type of stuff. 1711 01:52:18.640 --> 01:52:21.880 But I think what happens is is in the course 1712 01:52:21.960 --> 01:52:27.640 of people kind of looking for traditional, more traditional type stuff, 1713 01:52:29.159 --> 01:52:29.880 they'll try to. 1714 01:52:32.560 --> 01:52:32.880 Kind of. 1715 01:52:34.640 --> 01:52:40.439 Circumvent that with a with an invented traditional I don't 1716 01:52:40.439 --> 01:52:44.760 know how to explain myself thoroughly, but it's like someone 1717 01:52:44.800 --> 01:52:47.960 will go looking for a traditional type of something, but 1718 01:52:48.159 --> 01:52:52.840 it'll it'll be a reinvented type of thing. And I 1719 01:52:52.960 --> 01:52:56.279 think with what she's talking about what I'm sorry, I 1720 01:52:56.520 --> 01:52:58.239 don't know. Was it a was it an old lady? 1721 01:52:58.399 --> 01:53:01.439 It was? It was it was Adam asked that question. Adam. 1722 01:53:01.960 --> 01:53:08.239 Okay, sorry, Adam, I thought it was Eve just kidding. 1723 01:53:10.760 --> 01:53:15.520 That was bad. Yeah, with the Robert Weber and Yeah, 1724 01:53:15.560 --> 01:53:17.920 that's what you're gonna see is kind of an emerging 1725 01:53:18.199 --> 01:53:25.439 of of of I guess philosophy is emerging of theologies 1726 01:53:25.520 --> 01:53:27.800 into kind of this mishmash postmodern. 1727 01:53:29.079 --> 01:53:30.560 Yeah, that's a great way to put it that the 1728 01:53:30.840 --> 01:53:36.359 emergent church movement is completely postmodern and the postmodernists we're 1729 01:53:36.399 --> 01:53:40.199 also CIA funded. You can read about the French theorists, 1730 01:53:40.319 --> 01:53:44.159 the Deidad, these different characters. They also had CIA backing. 1731 01:53:45.119 --> 01:53:49.720 That will be in my book as well. So we've 1732 01:53:49.840 --> 01:53:54.560 gone almost two hours. We're getting numbers are dropping a 1733 01:53:54.600 --> 01:53:58.520 little bit. Maybe we need to come to the end here, John, 1734 01:53:58.520 --> 01:54:01.920 I'm gonna let you have the final all concluding remarks 1735 01:54:02.000 --> 01:54:04.279 if you've got any more nuggets that you want to 1736 01:54:04.359 --> 01:54:07.800 kind of throw out before we Yes, Fuko exactly, Thank you, Trevor. 1737 01:54:07.880 --> 01:54:13.800 Fuko was definitely one of these gay Jesuit occultists who 1738 01:54:14.159 --> 01:54:18.439 stared over the abyss. But anyway, John, you got any 1739 01:54:18.479 --> 01:54:22.159 more nuggets before we kind of moved to the conclusion here. 1740 01:54:24.560 --> 01:54:29.000 Uh Yeah, Calvin Chapel had a pastor. Calvin Chapel had 1741 01:54:29.000 --> 01:54:34.880 a pastor and he was kind of chucksmiss right hand man. 1742 01:54:35.079 --> 01:54:39.359 And he was a long haired, bearded hippie type and 1743 01:54:39.479 --> 01:54:40.840 his name was Lonnie Frisbee. 1744 01:54:41.600 --> 01:54:43.560 I've heard this one. Yeah, this is a good one. 1745 01:54:44.119 --> 01:54:46.880 He was a young man and he basically kind of 1746 01:54:47.000 --> 01:54:51.680 looked like Jesus, and so he went around kind of recruiting, 1747 01:54:52.319 --> 01:54:54.399 you know, people, getting all the young people to come 1748 01:54:54.439 --> 01:54:57.520 in and join the church and come to the service 1749 01:54:57.720 --> 01:55:01.920 and the whole bit. There's there's a documentary on Lonnie 1750 01:55:01.960 --> 01:55:06.239 Frisbee you can find and watch, and Lonnie Frisbee was 1751 01:55:07.279 --> 01:55:09.880 the whole time he was a pastor at Calbert Chapel, 1752 01:55:10.520 --> 01:55:17.079 he was an alcoholic, drug using homosexual wow okay okay, 1753 01:55:18.319 --> 01:55:20.960 And people at the church even knew this, but they 1754 01:55:21.079 --> 01:55:25.039 covered it up. And there's even an interview with somebody 1755 01:55:25.119 --> 01:55:30.239 from that documentary it may have even been Chuck Smith Junior, 1756 01:55:31.079 --> 01:55:33.920 where he was saying, you know, Lonnie would come in 1757 01:55:34.199 --> 01:55:37.319 and he you know, you could tell he'd been partying 1758 01:55:37.399 --> 01:55:43.399 the night before, but you could just tell that when 1759 01:55:43.479 --> 01:55:45.960 he stepped into that church, the Holy Spirit. 1760 01:55:45.800 --> 01:55:47.880 Was with him and. 1761 01:55:49.720 --> 01:55:52.119 He was alive and he was able to you know, 1762 01:55:52.640 --> 01:55:55.600 fire people up. And I was I was just you know, 1763 01:55:55.760 --> 01:56:01.840 thinking about how funny that, you know, this went on 1764 01:56:02.039 --> 01:56:05.159 for many many years where this this guy, you know, 1765 01:56:05.279 --> 01:56:07.560 even into the nineteen eighties where he cut his hair, 1766 01:56:07.720 --> 01:56:13.520 and you know, this type of stuff goes on for 1767 01:56:13.800 --> 01:56:19.039 long come and interestingly enough, Pauline Chuck Smith's mentor had 1768 01:56:19.079 --> 01:56:21.640 been accused of being a homosexual alcoholic as well, So 1769 01:56:23.000 --> 01:56:27.439 seems to be a rampant amongst these type of minutes. 1770 01:56:27.520 --> 01:56:30.319 That's a great point, exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah, a lot 1771 01:56:30.399 --> 01:56:33.720 of these people seem to be very morally compromised individuals. 1772 01:56:33.840 --> 01:56:35.520 So I mean it's not like we're just talking. I mean, 1773 01:56:35.640 --> 01:56:38.920 we all obviously have sins. The point is not to nitpick, 1774 01:56:39.039 --> 01:56:41.119 but that it really seems to be a lot of 1775 01:56:41.159 --> 01:56:47.560 these big name megastar evangelicals seem to have this compromising 1776 01:56:47.680 --> 01:56:49.960 aspect in their background and in their makeup. 1777 01:56:50.880 --> 01:56:53.840 Yeah, I mean it's it's you know, it's one it's 1778 01:56:53.960 --> 01:56:59.199 one thing if a mechanic is a closet homosexual, alcoholic, 1779 01:57:02.600 --> 01:57:07.319 but if you're a pastor, you know that's that's a 1780 01:57:07.399 --> 01:57:15.159 little different there. That's quite a compromise. So yeah, you see, 1781 01:57:15.199 --> 01:57:17.439 you see this trend kind of run through there. And 1782 01:57:18.159 --> 01:57:23.600 you know, the biggest thing I think overall is when 1783 01:57:23.680 --> 01:57:28.479 you have this culture, it's born out of this background 1784 01:57:28.560 --> 01:57:32.239 that the apocalypse is going to happen. Jesus is coming, 1785 01:57:32.479 --> 01:57:37.319 He's returning any day. Now it doesn't happen. It continues 1786 01:57:37.399 --> 01:57:41.760 on into the eighties. As we move into the eighties, 1787 01:57:44.039 --> 01:57:48.039 a base has been created for the election of Ronald Reagan. 1788 01:57:49.680 --> 01:57:52.239 Okay, right, and then. 1789 01:57:52.119 --> 01:57:54.720 You move on into the nineteen eighties with the Council 1790 01:57:54.800 --> 01:58:02.680 for National Policy and a literal foundation and base as 1791 01:58:02.720 --> 01:58:08.039 a religion has been created as a political arm. Okay, 1792 01:58:08.159 --> 01:58:12.000 Now you have a religion that is a political arm 1793 01:58:12.199 --> 01:58:21.239 of Republican politics. Yeah, okay, this is something that didn't 1794 01:58:21.359 --> 01:58:25.159 happen in any previous time period. 1795 01:58:27.359 --> 01:58:29.079 That's a good point. Yeah, And this is why we 1796 01:58:29.199 --> 01:58:33.760 see the dominance of the neo conservative foreign policy mindset 1797 01:58:34.000 --> 01:58:36.760 in the evangelical world, especially as you said, in that 1798 01:58:36.920 --> 01:58:41.079 Reagan era, moral majority crowd fallwell type Crop. 1799 01:58:41.800 --> 01:58:47.399 Absolutely. Yeah, it was set up from the sixties to 1800 01:58:47.600 --> 01:58:53.479 become this political arm and I would even speculate, can't 1801 01:58:53.520 --> 01:58:55.399 prove it, but I would even speculate that they may 1802 01:58:55.399 --> 01:58:57.199 have even had Reagan picked out for this. 1803 01:58:57.760 --> 01:59:00.760 Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised. Yeah, I mean Reagan was 1804 01:59:00.800 --> 01:59:03.920 probably compromised. In fact, remember h Chapman that used to 1805 01:59:03.960 --> 01:59:09.000 come on Alex Jones's show and Bob, Yeah, he would 1806 01:59:09.000 --> 01:59:11.520 always talk about that he knew that. Right, I'm not 1807 01:59:11.640 --> 01:59:13.079 This doesn't prove it, but I'm saying he was always 1808 01:59:13.079 --> 01:59:15.239 tking about how he knew that that Reagan was compromised. 1809 01:59:16.039 --> 01:59:19.760 Alex doesn't. Alex doesn't play that clip anymore. But uh 1810 01:59:19.920 --> 01:59:20.960 that you can find that one. 1811 01:59:23.279 --> 01:59:26.279 So as it moves into the eighties, the other thing 1812 01:59:26.479 --> 01:59:32.640 it successfully does is and I have the empirical background 1813 01:59:32.720 --> 01:59:37.319 to be able to to say this is is it 1814 01:59:37.520 --> 01:59:41.880 moved these people who were kind of and this type 1815 01:59:41.920 --> 01:59:46.359 of Christianity, you know, a morphed as it as as 1816 01:59:46.399 --> 01:59:48.760 it went down through time. Because that's what postmodernism has 1817 01:59:48.840 --> 01:59:52.640 to do, right, that has to constantly reinvent itself. So 1818 01:59:54.800 --> 02:00:00.960 so it moved people that were outside. So this kind 1819 02:00:01.000 --> 02:00:04.399 of separation of family and tradition. You break it up 1820 02:00:04.479 --> 02:00:07.640 with youth movements and say, hey, all the stuff that 1821 02:00:07.800 --> 02:00:10.079 these people are doing in the modern world, which you 1822 02:00:10.159 --> 02:00:13.479 could make an argument that it wasn't great. Okay, let's 1823 02:00:13.520 --> 02:00:17.520 just see the nuclear family and the modernization. All right, 1824 02:00:17.920 --> 02:00:21.319 it's not that great, okay, but whatever. You break it up, 1825 02:00:21.640 --> 02:00:24.279 you take the youth away from them. You get parents 1826 02:00:24.319 --> 02:00:27.640 and children at odds with each other. You create this 1827 02:00:27.760 --> 02:00:29.920 youth movement. They break away. They say, hey, we don't 1828 02:00:29.920 --> 02:00:32.399 want anything to do with the technology and the modern 1829 02:00:32.399 --> 02:00:33.840 We're going to go out here in the woods and 1830 02:00:34.000 --> 02:00:36.319 we're gonna grow our hair long and all that type 1831 02:00:36.319 --> 02:00:42.560 of stuff. Whether it was evangelical religion or whether it 1832 02:00:42.680 --> 02:00:45.960 was New Age stuff or whatever it is. You get 1833 02:00:46.039 --> 02:00:51.359 them back into these these ideas, and then by the 1834 02:00:51.479 --> 02:00:55.319 nineteen eighties you're able to move them back into. 1835 02:00:55.399 --> 02:00:58.640 The modern world. Yeah, that's a good point. So I 1836 02:00:58.720 --> 02:00:59.920 saw that with my parents. 1837 02:01:00.199 --> 02:01:02.119 My parents, you know, they were kind of like, oh, 1838 02:01:02.199 --> 02:01:05.680 we're not going to eat General Mills, We're not going 1839 02:01:05.720 --> 02:01:08.880 to drink Coca cola, you're not going to watch television. 1840 02:01:09.399 --> 02:01:10.960 You're not gonna do And then by the time the 1841 02:01:11.039 --> 02:01:13.479 mid eighties starts to roll around my parents. You know, 1842 02:01:13.640 --> 02:01:16.119 it's like, Okay, we can eat McDonald's. Now, hey we 1843 02:01:16.199 --> 02:01:20.319 can have soda, all right, cool. I can watch you know, 1844 02:01:20.399 --> 02:01:24.439 I can watch some MTV. Sometimes it starts getting a 1845 02:01:24.479 --> 02:01:28.159 little starts getting a little lenient as every and and 1846 02:01:28.279 --> 02:01:31.640 the church itself moves in because it moves into that 1847 02:01:31.760 --> 02:01:35.279 phase too. Because literally, I'm not kidding Jay and I'm 1848 02:01:35.439 --> 02:01:37.439 and you may have, but by the time I was 1849 02:01:37.479 --> 02:01:40.920 in high school, there were Christian death metal bands. 1850 02:01:42.159 --> 02:01:46.560 Yeah, that still exists. I have I have a friend 1851 02:01:46.600 --> 02:01:49.000 who is into that. He really likes those, so that 1852 02:01:49.119 --> 02:01:52.479 and that still exists, which is very bizarre. But whatever 1853 02:01:52.840 --> 02:01:57.000 anybody likes is none of my business. But it's just funny. 1854 02:01:57.399 --> 02:01:59.439 It is funny, and I think he thinks it's funny too, 1855 02:01:59.520 --> 02:02:00.720 But yeah, it's. 1856 02:02:00.640 --> 02:02:04.159 Just funny to think about it. That that the stuff 1857 02:02:04.560 --> 02:02:10.439 that well, I mean, you know, even when we were 1858 02:02:11.439 --> 02:02:13.800 you know, younger, I mean, there's Christian heavy metal bands, 1859 02:02:15.159 --> 02:02:21.680 Striper and all that. So Christianity was was mimicking all 1860 02:02:21.720 --> 02:02:25.600 of the stuff that they said culture culture it was. 1861 02:02:25.800 --> 02:02:29.119 But it's just instead of saying Hail Satan, it's hal Jesus. 1862 02:02:30.159 --> 02:02:33.319 You got So. 1863 02:02:36.119 --> 02:02:37.439 I was just going to kind of wrap it up 1864 02:02:37.479 --> 02:02:41.880 there is is that you have this kind of religion 1865 02:02:41.960 --> 02:02:45.560 born of this you know, apocalyptic nature with the background 1866 02:02:45.600 --> 02:02:50.479 of the Cold War. It's all going on in southern 1867 02:02:50.560 --> 02:02:54.439 cal It's all starting in southern California in an area 1868 02:02:54.560 --> 02:03:00.640 that's centered around intelligence and military industrial complex, right, you know, 1869 02:03:00.880 --> 02:03:09.359 kind of right wing politics, and it succeeded in creating 1870 02:03:09.439 --> 02:03:13.960 a foundational base for moving the right wing politics forward 1871 02:03:14.079 --> 02:03:17.199 into the nineteen eighties with the election Ronald Reagan, the 1872 02:03:17.279 --> 02:03:20.680 creation of the Council for National Policy, which was started 1873 02:03:20.720 --> 02:03:24.159 by Tim Lahay, who later wrote the Left Behind series 1874 02:03:24.239 --> 02:03:24.439 that is. 1875 02:03:24.479 --> 02:03:27.680 So popular Great Point, Great Point, which. 1876 02:03:27.560 --> 02:03:32.800 Is more apocalyptic nonsense, and interestingly enough, the Council for 1877 02:03:32.920 --> 02:03:39.359 National Policy actually stated Lehay has stated that his idea 1878 02:03:39.600 --> 02:03:41.920 was to create a Christian Council on Foreign. 1879 02:03:41.720 --> 02:03:44.960 Relations, a so called right wing CFR for those that 1880 02:03:45.039 --> 02:03:47.079 don't know, right, yeah. 1881 02:03:47.039 --> 02:03:50.680 So so yes, and Tim Lahay actually wrote a book 1882 02:03:50.760 --> 02:03:51.520 with Helendsey. 1883 02:03:52.319 --> 02:03:52.520 Yeah. 1884 02:03:52.680 --> 02:03:54.039 I know, so. 1885 02:03:55.920 --> 02:03:58.600 I wish we could leave Tim Lahay and his people behind. 1886 02:03:58.680 --> 02:04:01.520 Can we just leave them behind? Right? 1887 02:04:01.720 --> 02:04:05.359 Yeah? You know, you want to know what's hilarious if 1888 02:04:05.399 --> 02:04:07.720 you go on Tim la Hay's a wiki page. It 1889 02:04:07.840 --> 02:04:13.119 was changed like in December. If you go on there, 1890 02:04:13.279 --> 02:04:15.439 there's a quote from him about the Illuminati. 1891 02:04:17.159 --> 02:04:17.800 I'm not kidding. 1892 02:04:17.880 --> 02:04:19.920 Somebody just put it in there in December. It says 1893 02:04:20.039 --> 02:04:23.279 like Tim la Hay believed that there was an illuminati 1894 02:04:23.359 --> 02:04:28.960 who controlled the world and that uh, I'm serious. Yeah, 1895 02:04:29.000 --> 02:04:32.279 And that's all the left wing see of far people right, 1896 02:04:33.479 --> 02:04:37.560 the liberal illuminati that wants to, you know, do get 1897 02:04:37.640 --> 02:04:42.399 rid of the neo cons. All right, we got a 1898 02:04:42.399 --> 02:04:45.720 couple more questions here and then we'll we'll wrap it up. 1899 02:04:45.720 --> 02:04:49.600 I'll give some book recommendations. I guess this one is 1900 02:04:49.680 --> 02:04:49.920 for me. 1901 02:04:50.159 --> 02:04:54.680 Are there any suspected CIA promoted heresies in the Orthodox Church? Yeah? 1902 02:04:54.800 --> 02:05:00.760 I cover this. Actually, the best overall topic for that 1903 02:05:01.000 --> 02:05:03.039 that I've done already is the talk that I did 1904 02:05:03.119 --> 02:05:05.680 with John and Chris and I think I titled it 1905 02:05:05.840 --> 02:05:11.319 Mystery Babylon and Ecumenism and Public Education. That talk's still popular. 1906 02:05:11.399 --> 02:05:13.359 It gets like one hundred views every few days. It's 1907 02:05:13.479 --> 02:05:16.560 uped in the ten thousand or so views. That one's 1908 02:05:16.600 --> 02:05:18.680 really good. It's really in depth. I go into the 1909 02:05:18.800 --> 02:05:23.239 history of ecumenism and really the main battle of the 1910 02:05:23.359 --> 02:05:26.640 Orthodox Church in the twentieth century is a humanism. This 1911 02:05:26.840 --> 02:05:28.880 is the battle for in any of the churches and 1912 02:05:28.960 --> 02:05:33.039 religions basically. Uh, and so yes, I think that wim 1913 02:05:33.079 --> 02:05:34.960 Hoff shows that many other people have shown it. The 1914 02:05:35.079 --> 02:05:38.760 Rockefellers created, fostered, and funded that move. I mean, it 1915 02:05:38.960 --> 02:05:41.479 wasn't totally the Rockefellers, but eventually they're the ones that 1916 02:05:41.640 --> 02:05:44.760 made it what it is. So that's who's behind ecumenism. 1917 02:05:44.920 --> 02:05:51.560 And that would be my answer to that question for sure. 1918 02:05:51.840 --> 02:05:53.479 Go ahead for. 1919 02:05:53.520 --> 02:05:56.680 Anybody who wants. Here's something funny. There is a book 1920 02:05:57.119 --> 02:06:00.279 written by a Marxist. Her name is Holly sky are 1921 02:06:01.319 --> 02:06:05.000 m h and it is an expose of the Trilateral Commission. 1922 02:06:06.079 --> 02:06:11.800 It's called Trilateralism. She's a Marxist and in it is 1923 02:06:11.840 --> 02:06:14.039 a whole bunch of stuff saying how bad and evil 1924 02:06:14.119 --> 02:06:19.319 David Rockefeller is and how bad Trilateralism is. In the 1925 02:06:19.760 --> 02:06:23.920 beginning of the book, in the forwards, she thinks the 1926 02:06:24.039 --> 02:06:25.079 World Council of. 1927 02:06:25.199 --> 02:06:34.600 Churches, Yeah, this and this would be like Gorbachev. Uh, 1928 02:06:34.920 --> 02:06:40.319 like criticizing the Rockefellers and then being like this megastar 1929 02:06:40.479 --> 02:06:49.159 at the United Nations. M. Yeah, that's a great point, John, Yeah, 1930 02:06:49.199 --> 02:06:51.520 that I think that sums it up. So yes, Uh. 1931 02:06:52.319 --> 02:06:57.680 The the recent even the Russian Russian bishops, many of 1932 02:06:57.760 --> 02:07:02.800 them had commented recently on the Council of Crete, which 1933 02:07:02.840 --> 02:07:08.000 is intended to be the Vatican Two for Orthodoxy last year, 1934 02:07:08.239 --> 02:07:12.119 and it totally failed because most of Orthodoxy had no 1935 02:07:12.319 --> 02:07:17.199 interest in going to a giant ecumenical conference, so that 1936 02:07:17.439 --> 02:07:19.760 the Council of Crete failed, and that was one hundred 1937 02:07:19.800 --> 02:07:25.000 percent funded by NATO and the West. Next question for me, 1938 02:07:25.359 --> 02:07:28.840 what are my thoughts on the certain group. I'm not 1939 02:07:28.960 --> 02:07:34.119 going to name this group. I don't want to give 1940 02:07:34.119 --> 02:07:37.960 them attention and traction. I had an email exchange with 1941 02:07:38.079 --> 02:07:42.000 this person long time ago. We're not going to go 1942 02:07:42.199 --> 02:07:48.359 there for various reasons, so there will not be a 1943 02:07:48.439 --> 02:07:53.359 debate with them for that reason. And the other part 1944 02:07:53.399 --> 02:07:56.119 of this question, what do I think about in times 1945 02:07:56.239 --> 02:08:01.600 and whatever they're into now? Any group, I'll just say this, 1946 02:08:01.800 --> 02:08:05.920 any group or person that at one time predicts the 1947 02:08:06.000 --> 02:08:07.880 end of the world. Okay. So, like we were talking 1948 02:08:07.920 --> 02:08:10.760 about earlier with John, when John was making the point 1949 02:08:10.760 --> 02:08:16.840 about how Lindsey, if you come to these topics from 1950 02:08:16.880 --> 02:08:21.600 a biblical perspective, there's the injunction in scripture for example, 1951 02:08:22.079 --> 02:08:24.760 that you'll know a false prophet when the things that 1952 02:08:24.880 --> 02:08:28.720 they predict don't come true. That's kind of a basic 1953 02:08:28.920 --> 02:08:33.800 rule of thumb for false prophets and teachers. So any 1954 02:08:33.840 --> 02:08:36.680 of these groups out there that are claiming to know 1955 02:08:36.840 --> 02:08:40.319 when the end is and this kind of stuff and 1956 02:08:40.479 --> 02:08:43.319 it doesn't happen. And this group has done this many times. 1957 02:08:43.920 --> 02:08:46.039 So that's why I don't associate with any of those groups. 1958 02:08:46.039 --> 02:08:48.680 I'm not going to waste my time debating them. They're 1959 02:08:48.760 --> 02:08:52.800 very ridiculous. So that is my answer to this group. 1960 02:08:53.880 --> 02:08:59.119 There's a ministry called End Times Prophecy. Have you ever 1961 02:08:59.159 --> 02:08:59.520 heard of that? 1962 02:09:01.399 --> 02:09:03.279 Not specifically that, No, what is that? 1963 02:09:05.439 --> 02:09:08.479 You should check that out. It's pretty funny. Okay, there's 1964 02:09:08.520 --> 02:09:11.079 a ministry called End Times minister. 1965 02:09:14.159 --> 02:09:15.840 All right, this is that We still got a couple 1966 02:09:15.920 --> 02:09:18.680 hundred and to two hundred and fifty people. If this 1967 02:09:18.760 --> 02:09:21.960 is your last chance for any super chats or questions 1968 02:09:22.000 --> 02:09:25.199 before we wrap this up, or you know, put them 1969 02:09:25.239 --> 02:09:27.359 in there if you want to, if you want to 1970 02:09:27.399 --> 02:09:31.640 get on here before we go, I'm going to give 1971 02:09:31.680 --> 02:09:33.880 you a couple of books and you can have a 1972 02:09:33.920 --> 02:09:35.720 few seconds to type out your question if you want. 1973 02:09:35.720 --> 02:09:38.000 If you've got another question, and then we'll let John 1974 02:09:38.039 --> 02:09:40.199 wrap things up, and that'll be it for tonight. So 1975 02:09:40.520 --> 02:09:45.359 people have asked just easy books on the the view 1976 02:09:45.560 --> 02:09:49.000 of the apocalypse in Matthew twenty four that I take 1977 02:09:49.159 --> 02:09:52.960 that I think would make things very much more manageable, 1978 02:09:53.119 --> 02:09:55.359 much more sensible. It actually makes the Bible a lot 1979 02:09:55.479 --> 02:09:59.840 more coherent. A good place to start would just be 1980 02:10:00.079 --> 02:10:02.760 the Little Easy Book. This was actually written a long 1981 02:10:02.840 --> 02:10:06.159 time ago by a guy named Peter Hulford, who I 1982 02:10:06.199 --> 02:10:08.399 think is a Protestant, and it's just called The Destruction 1983 02:10:08.479 --> 02:10:13.359 of Jerusalem, and it's about the text of Matthew twenty four, 1984 02:10:13.439 --> 02:10:17.399 basically just showing that so much of this matches up 1985 02:10:17.479 --> 02:10:20.359 to what Josepha has talked about that it's very hard 1986 02:10:20.520 --> 02:10:23.199 to try to extend this into a bunch of crazy 1987 02:10:23.279 --> 02:10:27.520 stuff in Palestine and the year two thousand relating to 1988 02:10:27.680 --> 02:10:31.279 Norman Schwartzkough and desert Storm has nothing to do with that. 1989 02:10:33.039 --> 02:10:35.159 The next book I would recommend. It's a little bit 1990 02:10:35.199 --> 02:10:37.960 more difficult, but still eat an easy read, a couple 1991 02:10:38.079 --> 02:10:41.239 hundred pages. You can still get this book on Amazon. 1992 02:10:41.399 --> 02:10:44.560 This is David Chilton's book Great Tribulation. This is a 1993 02:10:44.600 --> 02:10:50.800 good one. It's a real clear, two hundred page book 1994 02:10:51.520 --> 02:10:53.880 on the idea of the Tribulation in the Bible, and 1995 02:10:53.960 --> 02:10:56.479 again how so much of this actually matches up to 1996 02:10:58.159 --> 02:11:03.359 fulfillments of predictions about seventy eighty very simple, very straight 1997 02:11:03.439 --> 02:11:05.359 to the point. If you want to go a little 1998 02:11:05.399 --> 02:11:09.760 more intense. This is actually a fairly well known THHD thesis. 1999 02:11:10.279 --> 02:11:12.760 I don't recommend to this guy overall, but this book 2000 02:11:12.880 --> 02:11:18.239 is great. And this is Ken Gentry's book before Jerusalem fell. 2001 02:11:18.479 --> 02:11:21.600 So this was his THHD thesis on the dating of 2002 02:11:21.640 --> 02:11:24.399 the Book of Revelation and specifically how it makes sense 2003 02:11:24.600 --> 02:11:28.479 to be dated prior to seventy AD and the destruction 2004 02:11:28.560 --> 02:11:31.640 of Jerusalem. I think Gentry makes a very strong case 2005 02:11:31.680 --> 02:11:38.279 for that if you want a more robust, complete commentary 2006 02:11:39.159 --> 02:11:41.880 of the Book of Revelation itself. The same guy that 2007 02:11:41.960 --> 02:11:46.279 wrote the Tribulation book, David Chilton, has his Classic Days 2008 02:11:46.319 --> 02:11:49.279 of Vengeance, and I remember the first time I read 2009 02:11:49.319 --> 02:11:52.000 this it really blew me away. Those are just some 2010 02:11:52.159 --> 02:11:54.600 easy ones to, you know, kind of building up to 2011 02:11:54.760 --> 02:11:57.760 complexity if you want to get into that topic. And unfortunately, 2012 02:11:57.800 --> 02:12:02.000 while this book is out of print, I did get 2013 02:12:02.039 --> 02:12:03.960 a copy just because it is a really good book, 2014 02:12:05.479 --> 02:12:07.359 but it's like eighty bucks I poll it. Maybe it'll 2015 02:12:07.399 --> 02:12:10.159 come back in print one day, but it will tie 2016 02:12:10.279 --> 02:12:14.439 into a couple of these other books. And it's basically 2017 02:12:14.560 --> 02:12:18.960 designed to show that from the Orthodox perspective, the worship 2018 02:12:19.119 --> 02:12:23.479 service is outlined in the Book of Revelation. That's our view, right, 2019 02:12:24.239 --> 02:12:27.279 and it succeeds in our view the temple and the 2020 02:12:27.359 --> 02:12:32.039 synagogue service. So this classic book Orthodox worship continuity with 2021 02:12:32.199 --> 02:12:34.760 the synagogue the temple in the early Church is really 2022 02:12:34.920 --> 02:12:37.840 the absence of our view. So for people who are interested, 2023 02:12:38.359 --> 02:12:42.359 those are some good books. One last one for people 2024 02:12:42.439 --> 02:12:45.319 who really want to get serious about a total study 2025 02:12:45.359 --> 02:12:49.199 of Biblical apocalyptics. This is a classic by Milton Terry. 2026 02:12:49.239 --> 02:12:52.800 I think he's a methodist actually Biblical apocalyptics, and he 2027 02:12:53.319 --> 02:12:56.119 really goes through all the prophetic texts and I think 2028 02:12:56.720 --> 02:13:02.199 puts the medic coherent order. And of course everybody, as 2029 02:13:02.239 --> 02:13:04.439 I said earlier, you can get the Orthodox Study Bible, 2030 02:13:04.479 --> 02:13:07.319 which has excellent notes on all the prophetic texts. I 2031 02:13:07.399 --> 02:13:09.920 highly recommend that you can get my book Esoteric Hollywood 2032 02:13:09.920 --> 02:13:13.159 Sex Cults and Symbols of Film at Jays Analysis, and 2033 02:13:13.520 --> 02:13:17.079 I will leave it to mister John anything you'd like 2034 02:13:17.199 --> 02:13:19.039 to leave us with and promote here at the end. 2035 02:13:22.520 --> 02:13:29.039 Like I said, you could read Blessed by Kate Bowler. Okay, 2036 02:13:29.680 --> 02:13:35.680 that's a good book talking about prosperity Gospel. And there's 2037 02:13:35.680 --> 02:13:37.720 another one I can't remember the author's name, but it's 2038 02:13:37.760 --> 02:13:42.239 called The Charismatic Century. And then there's another one by 2039 02:13:42.359 --> 02:13:48.039 Professor Darren Deutchuk and it's called From Bible Belt to 2040 02:13:48.399 --> 02:13:55.239 Sun Belt and that's talking about it's talking about the 2041 02:13:57.039 --> 02:14:00.920 how California, California's role in the creation of of modern 2042 02:14:01.000 --> 02:14:02.880 day evangelical church. 2043 02:14:03.920 --> 02:14:06.720 Oh wow, specifically about. 2044 02:14:06.520 --> 02:14:10.840 Southern California's role that played in the creation of of 2045 02:14:11.600 --> 02:14:18.439 not only evangelical beliefs, but also right wing politics too. 2046 02:14:18.560 --> 02:14:21.279 So it's a very interesting book. Highly recommend that book. 2047 02:14:21.399 --> 02:14:23.159 Yeah, that does sound good. And one more time, what 2048 02:14:23.279 --> 02:14:23.439 is it. 2049 02:14:24.520 --> 02:14:29.439 It's called From Bible Belt to sun Belts by Professor 2050 02:14:29.600 --> 02:14:40.159 Darren Deutschuk. Yeah, I'm pretty good. If anybody's interested in 2051 02:14:40.359 --> 02:14:44.840 anymore of If you've never heard me before, you can 2052 02:14:44.880 --> 02:14:50.720 go to Hoaxbusters call dot com. Hundreds and hundreds of 2053 02:14:50.840 --> 02:14:56.520 audios we've done on many different things, many different discussions 2054 02:14:56.560 --> 02:14:59.920 with mister Tyer here himself. We also got this new 2055 02:15:00.079 --> 02:15:01.319 thing that we're trying to if. 2056 02:15:01.159 --> 02:15:01.600 You go to. 2057 02:15:04.680 --> 02:15:08.119 It's called the discord Server, and it's like a chat. 2058 02:15:08.960 --> 02:15:13.960 It's like an ongoing chat. So if you're familiar with Discord, 2059 02:15:14.199 --> 02:15:17.560 we have the hoaxbusters called Discord Now, and a lot 2060 02:15:17.600 --> 02:15:19.479 of people are on there and they're just having discussions 2061 02:15:19.520 --> 02:15:22.119 with people and I go on there and talk to 2062 02:15:22.159 --> 02:15:26.720 people too, so it's, uh, it's really interesting, it's real fun, 2063 02:15:26.800 --> 02:15:32.439 and anybody's welcome to come on there, and I'll give 2064 02:15:32.520 --> 02:15:34.640 I give out my email address to if anybody wants 2065 02:15:34.680 --> 02:15:35.359 to contact me. 2066 02:15:35.880 --> 02:15:38.000 Okay, it's a j R. 2067 02:15:39.199 --> 02:15:44.319 Adams eight five seven at yahoo dot com. And if 2068 02:15:44.359 --> 02:15:47.560 anybody wants to contact me and contact or you can 2069 02:15:47.640 --> 02:15:49.319 send me a PayPal donation there too. 2070 02:15:50.880 --> 02:15:52.640 Cool beings, all right, thank you, John. This has been 2071 02:15:52.640 --> 02:15:55.880 a great talk, and definitely stay tuned today's analysis as 2072 02:15:55.920 --> 02:15:59.119 we we will have hopefully a debate with one of 2073 02:15:59.159 --> 02:16:03.199 the biggest atheists on YouTube, and that should be as 2074 02:16:03.279 --> 02:16:06.239 they say on the Worsky stream, Blood Sports. Let's cross 2075 02:16:06.279 --> 02:16:08.399 our fingers and hope that this goes down. It will 2076 02:16:08.399 --> 02:16:10.640 be a lot of fun. John. Thank you very much 2077 02:16:10.680 --> 02:16:12.079 for joining me tonight. It was a pleasure. 2078 02:16:13.039 --> 02:16:14.079 My fingers are crossed. 2079 02:16:15.359 --> 02:16:17.399 All right, all right, man, have a good night. 2080 02:16:17.840 --> 02:16:18.560 I don't know if you know. 2081 02:16:18.720 --> 02:16:19.000 I don't. 2082 02:16:19.119 --> 02:16:21.000 I don't know if you noticed, but I wore my 2083 02:16:21.159 --> 02:16:22.760 nine O two one O shirt just for you. 2084 02:16:25.239 --> 02:16:25.640 Awesome. 2085 02:16:26.720 --> 02:16:28.720 It does have Luke Perry on It does have Luke 2086 02:16:28.800 --> 02:16:31.840 on it or Matt Okay, it's Luke Perry. You can't 2087 02:16:31.880 --> 02:16:33.559 see it, but it was just for you. 2088 02:16:35.079 --> 02:16:35.360 Thank you. 2089 02:16:35.920 --> 02:16:38.159 Here's Luke his face. 2090 02:16:39.600 --> 02:16:43.040 Say say bye to Luke Perry. Everybody bye Luke. All right, 2091 02:16:43.319 --> 02:16:45.879 good night, Thanks Sayonara.