Speaker 1: Welcome. Can you hear me? Why does it say no viewers?
Oh my gosh, what the heck? All right? Can you
hear me? Now? Are we good? Why does it say
no viewers? All right? Can you guys hear me? No,
you're screwing with me? Not bad? Forty viewers and they'll
trickle in as we get going here, just making sure
I'm doing the live event stuff. Right, We got on
my stream page. John's gonna be hearing a little bit
and we should be good to go. There's my live chat,
live control room. Here we go, strange status? Good? All right,
where's the chat's at? Here we go? All right? Can
you guys hear me? All you forty nerds in the chat? Awesome? Uh?
So all right, yeah, before John gets here, we'll have
a little bit of warm up in conversation. Let the
other nerds trickle in like Ron Reagan's trickle in nerd economy.
Uh When will I be on the worsty stream? They
keep saying next week? They said. Look, I said the
other day that the guy that they're geting is supposed
to be down, big, big YouTuber, bigger than sticks, bigger
than Stefan. So let's cross your fingers and let's hope
that it goes down this week. On Warski stream, Andy
says it should be good. We'll see. I don't know
if that'll be Wednesday or Thursday, but probably some some
somewhere in there if if the big name guy agrees
to it. So it was Cooper dead in season three, yeah,
twin Peaks stuff. Uh, I think so. I think we're
supposed to think that he was and this was a different,
you know, alternate dimension. But I'm gonna that'll be in
the book. By the way, here's the the next four
hundred pages of esoteric Hollywood too, and then that'll be
in there. So taken forever. It takes forever to write books.
But this is to just to trigger everybody and to
make evangelicals mad. I'm going to uh, I'm going to
play the Russian Orthodox proclamation of anathemas that's read on
Triumph of Orthodoxy Sunday. And this one's neat because only
in the Russian do you hear the specific kind of
it's directed at those who would not listen to the
imperium right the God or Dane emperors. So it's just
going to be a couple of minutes because I'm going
to pour my coffee. It's late, I'm tired. But we're
gonna have a good talk with John and I'll be
back in about three minutes. And you can listen to
the proclamations of the anathemas against those who don't accept
the goddardined Orthodox emperors.
Speaker 2: If if I do that, you Talbot, there's Irish ship
Rotimus it mables, it is terrible.
Speaker 3: Alto Uh.
Speaker 1: Does your church sing anathema?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 4: Nothing?
Speaker 1: That is wild. It reminds me if you've ever seen
the Thomas Beckett movie with Richard Burton when he does
the anathema no one to go about another all? And yeah,
you might as well not go crazy in the chat
because I have the thing turned on. What. We're not
here to talk about Batha Matt, dude, why you keep
bringing that up. Well, I'm glad you want to talk
about Satan, but we're here tonight to talk about We're
here to talk to John Adams of Pokestbusters. If you've
listened to Jay's analysis, you're familiar with John Adams. John
will be joining us shortly. That's sorry, we're getting up
here into the ninety nerds. Ninety nerds up in here.
What's the nerds? John Adams is gonna join us here
in a little bit. And he did a lot of
research on evangelical gobbledegook, and that's the theme for tonight.
That's what we're going to talk about. I was raised
in this gobbledegook, so I know about it. John was
as well. Now John's not Orthodox, He's not coming from
the orthodox perspective. He's coming from the perspective of having
done a lot of research just kind of on the
geopolitical tip. And so we're gonna really delve into that
because that's a big puzzle piece. If you don't get
the geopolitical side of all the pre millennial gobbledygook, you're
gonna be confused. And actually that's a big part of
it that really explains. Once you get that, they're like, oh,
that's why Russia is gog and Maygog has nothing to
do with what the Bible's actually talking about. It's used
by geopolitical group groups to demonize whoever is the current
you know, uh, supposed anti Christ character of it's useful
to Washington's foreign policy. So we but we will also
talk about I've got whole stacks of books that I'm
gonna recommend. It's not going to be boring, but we
will get into maybe some verses here and there. Uh. Oh,
do we have John. We have John, We have John Sign.
We have John Sign.
Speaker 3: A friend.
Speaker 1: I'm doing well, John. It's been many months since we talked,
and we've already got us here. Just at the beginning,
one hundred live nerds watching how are you? You know?
Speaker 3: Which see you on the.
Speaker 1: Is that? Uh? I always get your your Johnny Carson
and your Alex mixed up?
Speaker 3: Yes, sometimes they say sometimes sometimes Uh the cross.
Speaker 1: Over, Well you do you do a you do a
really good version of both? And uh. A lot of
people in the chat are saying hello John. For those
that might be new, yes I will. By the way
I'm going on, people are saying, bring on Davis. Davis
and I and Matt are going to be doing a
live show Monday. I think John, tell us who you
are and your site, what kind of work you do.
For those that are not familiar with John.
Speaker 5: Adams, I am okay, hold on, Folksbusters call dot com and.
Speaker 3: Myself and my friend Chris Kendall, we talk about.
Speaker 1: Hey, John, Paul's one Secon and here we're getting echo.
Let me.
Speaker 3: What's up?
Speaker 1: Let me fix the voice thing here. I think this
should solve. Okay, does everybody hear John better? Now?
Speaker 3: Can you hear me? Can you hear me better?
Speaker 1: Okay? Yeah, everybody says this sounds good? Now. Okay, So,
as we were saying, John is the guy from Hoastbusters,
start over, John tell us new to tell all the
new listeners watchers who you are and what you do.
Speaker 3: I co host the Afternoon Commute with Chris Kendall at
Hoaxbusters Call dot com. Uh, it's a weekly podcast. We're
on a hiatus for a little bit right now, taking
it easy. But yeah, we if you go back into
our archives, you can find we got something like five
hundred calls that we've done together, done a lot of research,
special reports. That's why you have me here to talk
about one of the special reports that we did today.
You've obviously been on numerous times, countless times with us,
had some of the best calls we've ever had with you.
So yeah, I'm sure a lot of the listeners to
Jason Elysis are familiar with.
Speaker 1: The Mega the.
Speaker 3: Term you coined Mega Interview.
Speaker 1: I think we did kind of get that going because
now if you've noticed what's the trend in YouTube is
everybody's doing these like four or five six hour live streams.
I mean, I'm not literally saying we started that before
people go crazy, but we did do that, and we
were having a lot of fun with those six hour
epic marathon live streams. And now this is YouTube has
gone crazy with debates. Now this is the hottest thing.
Where was this ten years ago? I would have a
million subscribers by now if I knew that there was
live stream of eights ten years ago. Maybe there wasn't
ten years ago. I don't know. Anyway, Tonight, we're here
to discuss the most recent research that you've done. And
I've listened to some of the podcasts that you've done,
really good stuff. Really, it really drives well with information
that I lived because I grew up in the evangelical
pre millennial kind of mindset. I got really into that
when I was eighteen or nineteen, and then I kind
of grew out of it for various reasons. We're not
going to go into all that per se, but what
you focused on in your podcasts and in your talks
was a lot of the geopolitical and kind of do beous,
shady character aspects behind these guys who are so prominent
and put up there for us to follow, like the
hal Lindsay's in this kind of stuff. So maybe we
can just dive right in and get into talking about
some of these characters and seeing how ridiculous they are.
And I thought I knew a lot about this, John,
You're one of the most well read guys. I know.
You had all kinds of facts about these guys that
I had never heard that. It was just like who
in their right mind I guess because people just don't
know this, But who would in their right minds would
listen to these people after being wrong so many zillions
of times? And I was particularly cracking up at how
Lindsey's scheme of like the rapture's coming and then the
money that comes in. He's like investing in property in Malibu.
I was cracking me up. So John, tell us about
these characters, just dive right in.
Speaker 3: Well, just to preface it, around the nineteen fifties sixties
around there, you see a trend with the church kind
of you know, streaming across all particular denominations. I guess
you know, Lutheran, Methodist, all that type of stuff, and
for the most part, they you know, worship services kind
of standardized to a certain extent. I'm just given a generalization.
By the way, I don't claim to be a religious expert.
My knowledge of religion is only empirical and you know,
I've read the Bible two times, so they have a
standardized kind of worship service no matter what denomination you
kind of go into. It's kind of similar. And by
the time the nineteen sixties and the you know, the
culture changed, the you know, radical leftist type stuff starts
popping into the mainline culture, you know, in academia and
just in pop culture and whatnot, it starts to actually
leak over into the church. And I'm suspicious as to
whether the you know, churches were being led down this
path right on purpose.
Speaker 1: And one of the one.
Speaker 3: Of the things you start to see pop up is
youth groups and you know, the churches, you know, I
would i would say for the most part, churches probably
during that time period align themselves with anti communist type stuff, right,
And I'd say the average pew dweller didn't realize that,
you know, maybe similar things were kind of seeping into
their church like youth groups, youth you know, youth oriented
type stuff. So worship services were changing where you know,
teenagers or pre teens as they're called down those type
they would you know, go out of the service and
then go into a youth oriented type things, separating the
children from the parents and then thus creating a kind
of like, I don't know, maybe like a more dumbed
down kind of thing for the kids.
Speaker 1: It is, You're absolutely right. This is the history of
Sunday School, which was a Protestant invention to kind of
have tailored messages for different groups, niche markets, and it
really reflects kind of a market view of how to
do the church and this kind of stuff. And actually,
this is not just going to be an orthodox type
podcast or discussion here, but I will say, just because
it's relevant to your point that this has been a
long time criticism of Orthodoxy, is that even going back
to the Roman Catholic Church in the Middle Ages, around
the time of the Carolinians, you have a change in
practice to where prior to that it was normative for
children to participate in the fullness of all the sacraments,
even infants. And that's why the Orthodox Church, for example,
always continues the practice of pedal communion infants take communion.
Even this changed nobody tout debates this about nine hundred
or roughly in the Latin Church. And then you kind
of have that tendency in the Protestant churches to continue
that tradition of splitting groups and people off into different sections,
to have children's church, to have Sunday school. And it's
not that there's a problem with having some sort of
Bible study before church. That's not the point. The point
is that this was a kind of intentional I would say, uh, separation,
separation of groups out of what would be for us
communal worship. So I think you're absolutely right there. I
was glad when you noticed that that that actually and yes,
you're correct that even in the Protestant world, in the
Roman Catholic world, this in America became more prevalent, this
splitting off in the invention of children's church and Sunday
school and all this stuff, precisely because as it got
into the Cold War period, they really wanted, i think,
to to alter the landscape of America not just through
the pop culture, but it also through the churches and
that was That's what's so crucial. And if you do,
if you read weim Hoff's book that Tim Kelly has done,
you know, interviews with this guy, this really demonstrates this
point powerfully from the Catholic perspective that even in the
Catholic Church, this was this was the case. So that
was a long rant. Go ahead, John, No, that's fine.
Speaker 3: You know, I did this talk with Chris, and I
did this talk with Tim Kelly as well, So I
welcome your input and the extra things you can add
are definitely welcomed. Yeah, Sunday School is an invention you're
right of southern California. Interestingly enough, at the extensive research Chris,
Chris and I have talked about Southern California comes from
a lady by the name of Henrietta Meres, and she
kind of pushed this idea of Sunday School out into
the world. And she was actually the mentor to to
Bill Bright, the creator of the campus for crusades for Christ. Yeah,
she was also very she played a big role in
the Billy Graham Crusades when Billy Graham was first coming
out in like, you know, late nineteen forties. She used
for Sunday School to kind of push his ministry. She
was also very have you know, she was very helpful
to Ronald Reagan too with his governor and his presidential
election and whatnot. These you'll see these characters throughout this US,
you know, throughout this discussion kind of popping and out here.
But getting back to the worship service. By the time
you get into the late nineteen sixties, you start to
see this kind of bellion against traditional worship service kind
of come in. And one thing you see out of
this is you start to see these new kind of
forms of worship service, you know, church start to take place.
Speaker 1: Uh and uh, no, are you are you're talking about
like the non dominant, the rise of non denominational churches
and strip mall churches.
Speaker 3: Absolutely yes, Uh industrial park churches. Uh that's where I
went to church, in an industrial park.
Speaker 1: Uh. Yeah.
Speaker 3: So you see you see this rise of oh, we
don't want we don't want steeples, we don't want old
people and pews, we want young people with long hair
and sandals and ex hippies and ex druggies and all
that type of stuff. Not knocking that. Like I said,
I grew up around that type stuff, good people. This
has nothing to do with people's evangelical beliefs or anything
by myself. I'm not a religious person. I was raised religious,
but I don't go with any particular belief system. But
so I'm just looking at it objectively, and so with
these people who were true believers. I believe that this
movement was created and used for something a little bit
later down the line, into the nineteen eighties. It created
this idea of an apocalyptic religion. It was people were
primed for this, and it wasn't only the church, it
was the culture in general was kind of primed for
this apocalypse. You know, Charles Manson is you know, having
people murdered everywhere, and you know it's the end of
the world. People are on drugs, Oh my gosh. This
was also used as something to get people into the church.
It's like, hey, the end of the world is, so
you better, you better get in there. It was also
used by the campus crusades and promoted throughout this this
particular type of evangelicism. You saw the rise of this
kind of new thing of being born again, and born
again didn't always apply to non believers. It was actually
to other believers. You see, it wasn't good enough that
you were a Christian. You had to be born again,
you had accept the Holy Spirit, the Holy you know,
if you didn't accept the Holy Spirit, you weren't doing
it the right way. If you read Bill Bright's book.
If you read Bill Bright's book, he actually says that
this is kind of a tactic that you need, you know,
you need to go out and proselytize to believers because they're.
Speaker 1: Doing it wrong. That's a great point, Yeah, that the
charismatic movement will figure into this in a big way,
because I think you can very easily say from the
entire history of the Charismatic movement that it was something
that was co opted. And while you're talking about Bill Bright,
it reminds me there's a great chapter in Ingdahl's newest book,
Lost Hegemon, where he discusses the CIA intentionally choosing and
using not just Billy Graham and the Billy Graham crusade
because but also uh the that that the Pentagon is
who initially put the money into campus crusade. And so
you're absolutely right, this is in the period of the
Cold War and it was so it's part of that,
you know, evil Empire dialectic that the Pentagon was putting
so much money into. And that's what that's where you
get the rise of the moral majority, the rise of
the Evangelical Protestant dominionist movement, who originally links up with
kat Robertson kat Robertson, Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah. You started to steal all the all
this stuff starts to come about all at the same time.
Really like you know, by the end of the seventies
into the early eighties, it all you know, rises up
around Reagan and we and so you have this generation
of people from you know, nineteen sixty seven to nineteen
eighty who were kind of primed for this period. There
wasn't going to be an apocalypse. I mean, I'm my
parents believe that there was, you know, people in the pews.
I'm sure there were actual preachers who did believe that
there was going to be one. But a lot of
this comes from a book called The Late Great Planet
Earth that was written by hol Lindsay in nineteen seventy one,
and it's a it's a ridiculous books. It's a hilarious
book to read now, and to think that he's updated
it every you know, two years or whatever every time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was just I was just looking on YouTube
a few minutes ago and if you if you, if
you google Hal Lindsay, you'll find the Prophecy Report, Hawle
Lindsay Report or whatever it is. And it's like it's
still like he's still running this game. He's like still
making bank on the Prophecy. You would think that it
would die away and that people would but no, it's like,
how does Jim Baker come back on and have a
TV show? How does Jimmy Swagger come back and have
a TV show? Hole Lindsey still pimping the rapture.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and even some of the.
Speaker 1: I remember.
Speaker 3: I remember I don't know if Howlens has ever been
on Alex Jones or anything, but I remember Alex Jones
saying once he had he had Joseph Farrell on one time,
and I remember he said he would love to get
how Lindsay on and how great of a book Late
Great Planet Earth?
Speaker 6: That book well me up as unbelievable, folks. The Rapture
is coming. The only thing I'm worried about is if
the Rapture happens, am I gonna be on the can?
Will I be clothed. What if I'm in the shower.
I'm sure how as a theologian could answer those difficult questions.
Speaker 3: Folks, What if the rapture comes? What am I gonna
do with all the Superman vitality? If there's nobody to
sell it to, I'm just gonna have to eat it myself. Yeah,
so how Yeah, Hal Lindsey, he writes this book, and
there's a great article. Everybody can go look it up.
It was put out by Humanities magazine. It was winner
of twenty seventeen Excellent Article and it's basically goes over.
It was coincidental because it was a great article, because
this is kind of stuff I've been looking at for
about two years, and I read this article on mom man.
This is all. This is basically everything I've been looking
at for two years condensed down in one article here.
So yeah, Humanity these magazine, you can find that article
on how Lindsay and the apocalyptic religion.
Speaker 1: And real quick, let me add so for the people
that are watching that, we've already had some super chats
come in and if you want to really get some
questions at the end, the way to get me to
read the questions is to send a super chat, doesn't
matter what amount, any amount, and we will read the
questions and we'll answer them later on when we get
kind of done with the interview part. But so, so,
you were talking about how Lindsey you were talking about
in the interviews that I've heard you do on this
subject matter, and it's it's it's crucial. I think it's
vital to understand the Pentagon's influence here and if you
look at the colts. I don't mean to change the subject,
but I did want to say this earlier. You've done
a lot of work when it comes to southern California
and California being the mecca for alternative religious movements. What
I'm wondering is, and I think you would probably agree,
but when you look at the cults like the Jesus People,
and then out of them comes the Children of God
with Moses, David Berg and his pedophile, Hollywood connected group
of you know, the Family of God family stuff, where
River Phoenix, Rose McGowan come out of this cult, I
think that it's clear that the Jesus People, which spawns
kind of this modern third wave of charismaticism, which spawns
the non denominational movement and then the Emergent Church. Believe
it or not, this is also roughly the origins of
what's nowaday called the Emergent Church, which I think is
a complete total intelligence operation, There's no question about it.
You look into the people who who were founding figures
in the Emergent Church, you'll find the same patterns of
all the cults. It's people who had, you know, high
level intelligence connections CIA connections. And then, of course when
we get into more of the geopolitical stuff, we'll also
see other foreign policy. We'll see kind of a Zionist
element obviously involved in the pre millennial type stuff. You'll
see Washington's foreign policy loving the Russia is Gog and
magog stuff. But what do you think about the Pentagon
CIA having a direct link to the like the California
cult movement and the evangelical stuff that came from it.
Speaker 3: You're a little bit more well read on that direct connection. Actually,
when I brought up the William Engal stuff with Tim
on the last one, didn't. I didn't talk about that
with Chris, but that was only because you had told
me about it.
Speaker 1: But that's cool though, because but but I mean, I
think you have done a lot about the alternative religious movements,
and I think that all I'm saying is that the
reason it might not be surprising is that, you know,
California is a test bad you You've talked about that
a lot.
Speaker 3: Absolutely.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean it all comes out of the same area.
I mean Sunset Boulevard right at the base of Laurel Canyon, Yeah,
which of course is right where you know, Lookout Mountain
was where they were faking all the nuke footage. Uh
that is ground zero for Jesus people and people walking
around passing out tracks and uh you know all that
type of all that type stuff. Children of God called
lots of I mean lots of different religious cults, you know,
kind of based around Jesus. Necessarily they weren't Christian cults,
but they were what was the other one? The Love
cult was another one.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Uh yeah.
Speaker 3: I Alan's son joined them where you know, like everybody.
Speaker 1: And he he took he took acid and saw himself
as like this yeah new religious figure.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, so uh yeah, there's LSD Jesus cults right,
so sort the source was another cult around that area
around that time that kind of you know, it was
like a guy. He had like like thirteen wives or
something like that, and they owned a vegetarian restaurant on
Sunset Boulevard. If you watch the movie Annie Hall, mm hmm,
there's a scene where Woody On and Diane Keaton or
eating at the Source restaurant, and that's actually owned by
a CIA cult.
Speaker 1: Wow, I did not know that. Okay. So another good
point that somebody mentioned the chat and yes, I was
actually going to mention the history of the Schofield Bible.
So the Scorefield Bible goes back to John Nelson Darby,
and Darby was in the cult Plymouth Brethren. And you
might recognize another famous figure who grew up in the
Plymouth Brethren named Alister Crowley. So the Plymouth Brethren are
very good at spawning other cult leaders. But yes, so
there was an Anglican. The reason that Oxford Prince the
Schofield Bible is because there was this British imperial influence
obviously in the printing of that Bible. Not accidental that
you have the establishment of Balfour Declaration, the establishment of
State of Israel. You need a study Bible to convince
all the idiot evangelicals in America to just blindly accept that. So, yes,
all that's true. Pearl Off has covered that for a
long time, and everything that Pearloff says about that's act.
I learned this by the way back when I was
in evangelical and I was like, holy crap. One last point.
I'll let you chime back in John in in Ingdolf's book.
And I'm not saying I agree with everything in this book,
but I think that he has made some good connections
that a lot of other people haven't made. And I
didn't actually know that Campus Crusade had this connection until
he and he sources his claims here. It's not just
him saying it, but he talks about how one of
the I'm amost read briefly, he says one of the
most influential as well as well financed organizations is the
Military Ministry and their affiliate, the Campus Crusade for Christ.
Military Ministry had an annual budget of five hundred million dollars.
Five hundred million dollars for Campus Crusade. That's crazy. They
had a branch branch offices at all of the US
Army bases as well as all overseas. Bible study programs
globally uh, and they are a mirror. This is this
is wild of Fetula Gulin his Quran study groups. So
the Gulin network that everybody was talking about eight months
a year ago, all the alt media was talking about
him Ingdahl is arguing that it's the exact same pattern
that you see with the evangelical groups. So then he
goes on to say that this was very important too.
In Desert Storm, and right after Desert Storm, the peak
of the Iraqi insurgency, Petraeus Steel, all of these big
neocon types were openly saying, quote, we must pursue our
means for transforming the nation through the military. The military
may be the most influential way to affect the spiritual
superstructure of America. Thus, the military ministry inside the US
spread this crusader fanaticism that America is, you know, going
to war against the jihad, right, it's the Christian evangelicals.
What was Bush's then, where should go find a jihad
and find that jah against the mushrooms, Jehattish and the
mustard gases.
Speaker 3: Crusade? Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's well to get to give
an empirical example of something backing you up. Is I
remember there was a conference in California. There's two, there
was two that I remember, but there was one and
it was a guy we'll talk about in a minute,
but is Chuck Smith, Rick Warren, Uh, you know, all
the California pastors around here. And they were meeting with
Republican senators. This is this is around two thousand and six,
somewhere around there. But they were they were meeting with
with you know, like Mike Huckabee and uh, you know,
other neo conservative types at that time. And what I
what I remember reading about it is that it was
literally like a talking points meeting and like, you know,
they were gonna they were discussing, you know, the church's
role in propagating uh you know, military you know, uh,
you know, foreign.
Speaker 1: Policy exactly exactly right. So, in other words, people think
we have a separation of church and state, and they
have no conception of the long time marriage between the
Deep Day, the Pentagon and all of the biggest evangelical movements,
especially wem Hoff shows that it's also Catholicism, and I'm
not denying that there are aspects of Orthodoxy that that
have been infected with this well as well. Hence the
battle over Acumenism and Orthodoxy. Acumen as one hundred percent
the Rockefeller CIA funded thing. But anyway, so yeah, so
you've got another good example there of a meeting that
I didn't know about. But I think that that kind
of stuff is more common than we think.
Speaker 3: Very common. That was a nothing meeting, that was just
like a whatever. I mean, that stuff goes on all
the time. The one, the one that I remember the
most is two thousand and seven. I used to have
a I used to have a photo of this, but
I don't anymore. I wish I still did. I've looked
for it, but it was that the Crystal Cathedral. I
used to work across the street from the Chrystal Cathedral
and the Orange.
Speaker 1: Oh this is great. Yeah, see I forgot. I totally
forgot about Schuler and the Crystal Cathedral. But yeah, man,
that's another rabbit hole. Tell us about that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And this one was I drive by one day
and there's a banner out front and it says they're
having a conference there and speaking There was Brent Scoutcraft,
Henry Kissinger, and George H. W.
Speaker 1: Bush at the Crystal Cathedral.
Speaker 3: At the Chrystal Cathedral, they were they were giving they
were speaking. It was a conference and they were having
pastors from the from southern California.
Speaker 1: Could you imagine Henry Kissinger speaking in tongues like if
you got Roberts atle bit bit of it would sounds
like a motor boat, like you know, like a trolling
motor yah. Just uh yeah, the.
Speaker 3: Yes, I mean like like you're saying, yeah, these conferences
are going on all the time where these you know
CEFI members. Rick warrens a Council and Formulations member.
Speaker 1: That's a good point. A lot of people forget that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, even though he's no longer the pastor, he was
the you know pastor for a long time of Saddleback
uh Saddleback Church.
Speaker 1: And that's the largest uh non dominational church, isn't it?
Absolutely yeah Vegas. Yeah.
Speaker 3: And that he hosted the Obama McCain debate at the church.
Speaker 1: Oh I did not know that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, in the church. There was actually one of the
McCain Obama debates were hosted by Rick Warren in the
church like it was a church service. Go back and
find the usually happening. Do you have a count Council
on Foreign Relations member.
Speaker 1: With two John's uh glad beer Uh? Do my uh
Barack Obama do my Obama personation. Look what we we
gotta we we gotta, we gotta change things, we gotta,
we gotta change things. It's I'm not I'm not a Marxist,
by the way, in that find Obama is a Marxist
when he's like funded by all the big banks. Oh yeah,
but anyway, so okay.
Speaker 3: So we've discussed that many times, about that whole scam.
Speaker 1: But yeah, the the the.
Speaker 3: There is a long standing relationship with evangelicals and military
I'd say, i'd say, you know, since we're just specifically
talking about this brand, but i'd say most churches, you know,
more than Joe's Witnesses, they all play into it as well.
But this this particular it's been going on for a while.
The other thing that we're you know, to connect this with,
you know how Lindsey uh Late Great Planet Earth, the
Coming Apocalypse. The background to all of this is the
Cold War. Okay, so in the background you have the
cultural wallpaper of the Cold War that's scaring everybody. Uh
hal Lindsay's writing in Late Great Planet Earth that the
apocalypse is gonna come about. You got the Dog and
the Magogue stuff. So it's Russia. Russia has nukes, America
has nukes. They're gonna nuke each other. It's gonna be
the apocalypse. And then Jesus is gonna come back on
a big new cloud and he's gonna you know, float
down on the new cloud and save all the you know,
the one hundred and forty four thousand people who were
you know, true to what you know, the Jesus people
basically who got baptized the proper way in at the beach.
So so yeah, I'm being a bit sarcastic about this,
but that's literally what what you have playing itself out.
Speaker 1: This is just oh right with me. Jesus is just
oh right with what's that other one? I'm gone there
to the scout, to the something in the sky.
Speaker 3: Like huh Greenbaum, Yeah, spirit in the sky, Norman Greenbaum.
Speaker 1: These are like the old version, like like Jars of
Clay kind of got some radio play, you know, like
a few years ago, you know, back in the nineties,
and then so this is like the older version of
Jars of Clay where these kind of aren't these Jesus
or is that did Doobie Brothers? I can't remember who
sings that the Jesus is just the whole right with me.
Speaker 3: Doobie Brothers sing that song popular with it, although they
were a Christian band because they were called the Doobie Brothers.
Speaker 1: So we've almost got two hundred nerds in here. This
is crazy. I didn't think. I didn't think we would
have it this early. I figured it would take a while.
But okay, so so I'm getting off track here, I
get crazy. So so we've got the CIA, the Pentagon
involved in largely even and if people ask why evangelical, well,
number one, Evangelicalism was a little easier, I would say
to to mimic because anybody can start at evangelical church.
It's a little bit more difficult, not impossible, to infiltrate
older mainline churches like Orthodoxy or Metholicism. It still happens, obviously,
the CIA, David Wimhoff, CD Jackson. That's all in Wimhoff's book.
But the thing about evangelicalism is that anybody can start
one of those, and so you have no idea who
is starting it unless you know who this guy is
and his background and so forth, and you have this
just explosion. I think it's very vital to see that
this is also at the time of as you said,
the Cold War and then the sixties Revolution, and most people,
especially from the Bible mindset, the right wing so called mindset,
conservative mindset, if you ask them about the sixties and
that revolution, and even a lot of people in the
alt media, a lot of alt right people, I'm so
tired of this dumb argument. They will say the sixties revolution. Oh,
that's the comedies that started that. No, no, no, no, no,
it's the CIA, the military and the Pentagon that were
behind that, that sixties counter cultural revolution. And by the way,
you've covered this, I'm citing Stoner Saunders's book, which is again,
yes it's it's kind of watered down, but it's an
academic assessment of the cultural wallpaper, as you termed it,
of the Cold War and how this was the CIA.
I'm not saying that there weren't bad Marxists. I hate
the Frankfurt School, I hate those Marxist guys, but they
don't have they They were brought here by the OSS
and the CIA to alter the culture. They didn't have
the power and the means and ability to change the
whole world through the through the principles of Charles of
Karl Marx. So I'll shut up here after I say this.
This is what I said on Twitter today when people
were arguing this. You have to understand what hgu Wells
and what bertrand Russell say and the way HG. Wells
frames it. He says, Look, you idiot Marxists. He says,
global capitalism is what will bring the global Marxist technocracy.
That's how that's how Wells phrases it. He says too,
He says, you idiot communists, what other means and engine
do you think will bring universal monoculture aside from global
mono capitalism? Yes, I mean the.
Speaker 3: If you're a cap let me just say this prior
to making this statement. If you're a capitalist, you're you're
fooling yourself. If you're a communist, you're fooling yourself.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: The capitalism that funded school and funds schools into existence
and employees communist academics to teach the capitalist children. Think
about that one for a second.
Speaker 1: Somebody said something really funny. I can't do you remember
when one of the evangelical pastors who was like an
advisor to Bush, when he got busted with like a
male prostitute and Crystal Meth. Do you remember him. Yeah,
he's one of the big Yeah, it.
Speaker 3: Was Ted Uh what's his face? Out of Colorado?
Speaker 7: Yes, somebody somebody said called it Crystal Methodism. Crystal Methodist,
Crystal Methodist, mm hmm. Yeah, that's a good church. Actually,
that sounds like a New Age church.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I was springing out of Sedona or something, right.
Speaker 3: Worshiping Crystal. Yeah, so you have, yes, of course. I
mean capitalism, communism, that goes hand in hand. It's it's banker.
It's just banker Marxism.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean to someone like you, you're myself, uh, you know, whether.
Speaker 1: You're in hey, hey John, John, people are asking you
could talk a little louder to the mic. Okay, Ted Haggard,
thank you.
Speaker 3: That was it? Yeah, Ted Haggard. Yeah does that sound better? Yeah, okay,
the Yeah. To someone like you or myself who studied
this stuff, yes, Marxism equals bank banks, that's it. To
somebody who hasn't studied it, who thinks there's some sort
of divide between it at the top, there's not. You know,
I mean, I don't I don't know what to tell
you at this point, how could you have capitalism funding academia.
That's Marxist teaching capitalists kids, you see. And and if
you think that you could just you know, somehow, somehow
the country got infiltrated by Marxist with nobody knowing about it. Yeah,
it's absolutely ridiculous.
Speaker 1: It was.
Speaker 3: It was an intelligence front. Like you said, Francis son
Er Saunder's book, I think she's some sort of intelligence
operative herself, but she definitely it's a whitewash, yeah, yeah,
and it's a it's a great source even though it
is a whitewash. And and yeah, it's yeah, the cultural
Cold War, it was abstract art, not even really abstract.
It's just nihilistic art, profession of nihilism to provide a
source of apathy for the modern American. Once you get
into then this is another thing too, is this type
of church with you know, this change in the church
was really another thing was brought about was to break
up the old traditional methods on purpose.
Speaker 1: I think, so.
Speaker 3: The old traditional style of going to church, because the
old traditional style of church kind of revolved around community
and family. And with the new kind of way of
going to church with the youth it's all it's all
kind of youth oriented.
Speaker 1: So it's not really Oh, I see what you're saying.
I see you're saying so, and this is kind of
like it mirrors how in the culture, which you've talked
about and I think Alan Watt has talked about this
too and a lot of his podcasts, is that you
have in the culture the interjection of the idea that
there are these different generations, right that so that the
the young that where the you know, beat generation, where
the young we don't listen to the old fogy generation.
And it wasn't viewed that way. You know, one hundred
years prior, everybody was in the same schoolhouse. You know,
you would have the older kids in the same schoolhouse
with the younger kids, you know, in eighteen ninety or whatever.
But as you get into the twentieth century, you have
a lot of this social experimentation with the idea of
creating Generation X, the boomer you know that, and this
splits up the groups. And I think you're saying that
the church mirrors the stupid culture which was designed.
Speaker 3: Yes, absolutely, if you're going to a church that's just
full of young people, that's not including mom, dad, grandfathers
all that. It's just you know, you and your peers.
You're creating a new culture of that that's kind of
that's youth oriented. It's breaking up the old traditional style,
which was more based around community. Here's the thing about megachurches.
Though megachurches aren't community based, mega churches are everybody comes
from miles and miles around. And Chris and I kind
of touched on this. You get lost in the crowd
at the big megachurch. You don't know your pastor, you know,
per se because your pastor's got three four hundred other
people he's got to deal with. There's no personal relationships,
there's no personal accountability. Back in the old days, there
was a Methodist church in the town I just moved from.
In southern California and Pomona Claremont area, there's the remnants
of churches basically on every street corner because churches were
neighborhood things, right, and so there was a Methodist church,
and then three miles away from that there's another Methodist
church because it was a neighborhood Methodist church. And then
three miles away there's another entirely different neighborhood. You see
in that neighborhood went to that Methodist church and this
neighborhood went to this Methodist church because it was people
from a close knit, small community. When you go to
the megachurch, lost in the crowd, it's like going to
a rock concert, which, interestingly enough, when you know the
first one of the first megachurches, Calvery Chapel and the
coast of Mesa. One of the things that attracted the
people was the Jesus People rock music and they specifically
starting with a band called a Love Song. That was
the name of the group, Love Song. They were performing
live weekly at the Calvary Chapel there and and getting
people to come in there with the rock music and
you know, not once again doing away with the old
traditional hymns and all that type of stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's so bad that actually there are Novasorto
Catholic churches and I think Germany that have raves. Did
you know that.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't.
Speaker 1: How do we appeal, how do we appeal to the youth?
Have a damn rave? Bring DJ Tiesto and DJ Kioki
and let's have a rave and we'll get the kids,
uh to come to the night. Novasorto Church and then
I was gonna say, I was gonna sayn't really dirty,
but I'll listen.
Speaker 3: I would I wouldn't be surprised considering, you know, the
the four or five years that I lived out there
in Pomona Claremont area of California, my wife and I
we try to just you know, find a church basically just.
Speaker 1: And I would go.
Speaker 3: I would go with her to try, you know, to
just check it out. I was always interested in that
aspect of it. And uh so we'd go to a
Catholic Catholic churches, and the the amount of Charismatic Catholic
churches exceeds the amount of regular Catholic churches, which you know, yeah,
this is a very bizarre thing that we'll finish this
real quick because I'm not Catholic. I never I never
really went to Catholic church till I met my wife,
and we were blown away with you go into a
Catholic church and it's basically like going into an evangelical church.
And we didn't even really know that existed because my
wife never went to a church like that.
Speaker 1: And then we're like, what is this.
Speaker 3: There's like it's like rock music and you know, the
services is not like a Catholic service. I mean, they
take communion and they you know, do the little Catholic
prayers that the Catholics do or whatever, but the rest
of it is totally formatted like a like you're at.
Speaker 1: You know, the vineyard exactly. Yeah. So yeah, well that's yeah,
Fruits of Vatican two there as most traditional Catholics will
will bitch about. But so let's bring it back to
to the end times and to prophecy. And so so
we've got the Cold War, we've got the cults, we've
got the CIA, the Pentagon putting money into these different
evangelical groups, and let's not forget I know you know this, John,
and feel free to comment any input you have on it.
But we might have a lot of listeners and watchers
who don't know that a classic front for intelligence is
being a missionary. So missionaries and foreign lands. This is
old school CIA fronts. Intelligence agencies using this as a front,
USA red Cross, these are classic CIA front So don't
believe the stories that you see. Now. I'm not saying
every missionary is a CIA agent. That's not true, but
I'm saying it can easily be a front that's used
for that kind of stuff, and it has many times
over there's plenty of books and documentation on that, but
we have to also include that puzzle piece because that's
a big part of understanding the Washington's foreign policy and
how it likes to spread, especially Protestant Christianity as well
as wim Hoff shows from Catholicism because it's it was
part of that world Cold War dialectic, because how do
you the Soviets, Well, you have a damn Baptist church
in your in your city.
Speaker 3: That's how well you know, I mean, you can take
it back even further if you wanted to just found
established foundation that you know, the Jesuits were always good
at paving the way for commerce.
Speaker 1: That's a good point.
Speaker 3: So you know, they go into a country. Let's just
say one thing I would be a quasi expert on
is California. California is founded by Jesuits, hm. And they
basically paved the way for opening up of the of
the West and the railroads and all that type of
stuff by you know, helping to uh civilize the Indians
out there, so you know, so on and so forth.
Commerce usually follows were uh, you know, not only you know,
Catholicism earlier time periods, but then in later time periods
like now, you know, evangelicism is kind of the you know,
this is easy to discuss with someone like yourself. Evangelicism
is the perfect postmodern Christianity. So it can it can
yea even to any area adapt itself pretty easily.
Speaker 1: That's a great point.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so it paves the way for commerce, and then
it paves the way for the rest of the culture,
which you know, a lot of Christians don't actually you know,
they wouldn't actually think themselves to be quote, to use
a phraseology that Christians like to use, to be of
this world. But but yet they're they're really, they really
are part of the culture. You know, they really do
accept a lot of the stuff that like someone like
myself wouldn't you know, I wouldn't involve I wouldn't let
my kids watch television or you know that type of stuff.
But but you know, a lot of Christians the type
of culture that gets proliferated into the well here's a
perfect example.
Speaker 1: They have.
Speaker 3: Muslim evangelist.
Speaker 1: Now, they have Muslim evangelists. You said, you cut out there,
say that again.
Speaker 3: They have televangelist Muslims.
Speaker 1: Now I have heard this, I haven't seen it, but this, also,
by the way, is something Ingdahl mentions in his book
that the success of Billy Graham was so beyond the
expectations of what the CIA had in mind that they realized,
all we've got to do is find the Billy Graham
for the Muslim world. So that's what they were trying
to do with a lot of these different characters. The
Goulin guy is probably some kind of but he's not,
I don't guess, a very dynamic speaker. I don't know,
but there's other kinds of people that they tried to interview.
Miles Copeland and his book actually says the same thing.
He says that they hoped Nasser Gamal abdel Nasser would
be a an Islamic Billy Graham. So so I'm not
surprised that we're starting to see this now because I
think that that does fit into the plan dialectic that
they want to kind of Islamicize the West, not because
they like Islam, but I see it as a long
term business plan. The globalist I'm.
Speaker 3: Saying, yeah, yeah, And you know, an another thing I
brought up on the call with Tim and Chris, was that.
Speaker 5: In the.
Speaker 3: In Nicaragua during the Samosa Sandonista period, there was a
guy who is like one of the leaders of the
campus Crusades in Nicaragua and the San deniss caught him
or something because he was carrying large sums of undeclared money.
Speaker 1: They were you know, was it hidden under Gideon Bibles?
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was. And basically with this article that I
was reading in it was a cover action bulletin.
Speaker 1: It was like a.
Speaker 3: Liberal type magazine from the It was basically saying that,
you know, these Sandinistas had uncovered that the campus Crusades
was the CIA front funneling money in too, you know,
do that even though I would say that the Sandinistas
themselves are a CIA front. So it was, you know,
more dialectic type stuff. But what you have this is
another thing that you have kind of popping up in
the seventies and eighties as time progresses, and that the
former Jesus people or whoever you know, people being sucked
into this new type of evangelicism. Is this idea of
that Christianity is going to fight communism.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. Okay.
Speaker 3: So it's not only that we have to be scared
of the Cold War, and we have to be scared
of the nuclear apocalypse. But it's also pitying Christianity against
Communism directly because Communism is Satanism Christian and Christian and
America is Christian. So Jesus equals America city on a
hill and Russia equals Satan, right and that, and so
you know. And then as we move down through the
time period and you get to be guys like me
and you, then you see this all played out in
the plot.
Speaker 1: To Rocky four, and and in w W F w
W remember Ivan and and Hoko against mixed what's his name?
I there's a.
Speaker 3: Boris Sukov.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Nikolai Volkov, Nikolai Volkov. And then yeah, and he's
wrestling hul Kogan.
Speaker 3: Interestingly enough, when the Berlin Wall fell, Nikolai Volkov, if
you remember, he turned on Boris Sukov and he he
joined America and he went rogue against against the evil Comy.
Speaker 1: Let me say this is another point I want to
make here. Yes, everybody, I've probably had twenty people in
the last few months send me the Yuri Besmanov lecture. Now, yes,
I have seen the Uri Besmanov lecture. It's been online
going around for at least a decade or more. I'm
not saying that the points that Yuri Besmanov makes are false.
So yes, there are like the frank for School guys
who would try to argue that if we can degrade
the culture and make them relatives and so forth. But again,
the real story of the Frankfurt School guys is that
they were propped up by the CIA, And so even
the alt right people who get mad and bitch about
the Frankfurt School people, they don't talk about the OSS
and the CIA being who gave them the money to
do what they were doing there. Who who do you
think brought the Eastern Bloc people over? It was the
O S. S c A. The Ur Bezonoff. One last point, John,
one last point. The reason I bring up the URI
talk and this is something that Mark Hackard has. Disagree
or agree with Mark Hackard or not, but he has
some really good articles that he translated about defectors. And
the important thing about defectors is that to whatever degree
it's real or fake or stage, we don't even know
the real story of these people. It could just be
made up. Let's say that that Yury Besmanov truly defected
or whatever. If even if that's true, whatever comes out
of Uri Besmanov is gonna be what the c i
A Wants out. So defectors are great disinformation agents. They're
great ways to prop up grandiose tales of of the
Marxist Cold War takeover.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 1: And I think that that that's crucial to understand that
and and a lot of these you know, anti Marxists
and these people that are online. I'm not a Marxist
by the way, so don't even try to make that argument.
But but that, but you can't trust defectors is what
I'm trying to say. It's it just fits into the
propaganda machine.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the Uri bezman Off stuff never never ring true.
Speaker 1: To me, just because could you speak up a little bit, John,
People are saying they're having a hard time here.
Speaker 3: I said it never, it never. It never rang true
to me because it was He's basically saying all the
things that the you know, the culture in America was
pushing on its own people. So why would you why
would you need the Russians to do that?
Speaker 1: Exactly? This is what's so crucial that Yeah, well stated day,
I rambled there for like ten minutes trying to say
what John said in like twenty seconds.
Speaker 8: Yeah, so I'm not Another one is Anatotly golitz was
about to say the fall the Wall and Anatoly Glitzen. Hey,
maybe Anatoly Glitzen knows about the fall of the Wall
ahead of time because the CIA is who told him,
not because he knew about the Sino Soviet split secrets
or whatever.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's and you know, basically to a certain extent
at the at the top, I don't think there's any
difference between Cold War KGB and Cold War CIA. So
they're both working for the you know, same pay masters
and and uh this, but but see those type of things,
whether it's you know, KGB or CIA, whatever it is,
they were crucial to the time period because it, you know,
it fueled the this, you know, the scary culture. You know,
a great you know, a great television show. I don't
really watch a lot of TV, but a really interesting
show to kind of show what kind of psychology was
being used on people at the time, is the Americans
exactly exactly?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you know, And the c i A. The
c i A approves those scripts by the way.
Speaker 3: So sure, absolutely, but but yeah, it's it's interesting to
go back and kind of look at some of those things.
Speaker 1: I want to say real quick in the chat, we're
not here to debate nukes. So the reason that some
of these people are being if you spam in here,
I have this spam filter turned on and it will
block the people that spam. So we're here to talk
about the end times. It's not a debate on nuke's.
So anyway, sorry, John, GoAhead, you go ahead.
Speaker 3: There's a helicopter lending.
Speaker 1: Okay, So if I think about the maybe let's talk
a little bit about some of the biblical type end
time stuff. So being raised in a Protestant Evangelical church
and then starting to read the Bible when I was
seventeen eighteen, really getting into it. Of course, everybody finds
the Book of Revelations fascinating. So you go and you
read about the angels and the bold judgments and the
sealed judgments, and it all sounds very, very wild, right,
And if you're a Protestant Evangelical, then you know that
you already kind of have just this assumption that this
is all about some sort of sequence of events at
the end of the world. Now, I never had that
that view challenged. I never questioned it until I spent
a lot of time in theology and did do a
period of seminary work and really got into comparative religion
and all this kind of stuff. And as everybody knows,
I'm not a textual liberal. So this is not coming
from Evan at this point of trying to, from my
view say that the Bible doesn't have any divine inspiration
or veracity or anything like that. But it's very simple
actually to kind of show that even and this is
I would say, even if you don't believe the Bible,
I think it's still demonstrably true that these verses most
of the time are referring to events contemporary with the Apostles.
So I'm just going to run through this really quick.
The easiest way to understand this is to read Luke
twenty one, and that's because Jesus says very clearly in
verse twenty two that all of he says, these are
the days of vengeance, in which all things written in
the prophets must be fulfilled. And if you read the
entire chapter, he's talking about that generation, the Jews and
the people that are right there in front of him
and his apostles and disciples. And that's why he says
very clearly, he says, you will see Jerusalem surrounded by
enemies right know then that its desolation is near. Now,
whether you believe it's inspired, I believe it's inspired. But
whether you do or not, about forty years later that happened.
So that I think is so obvious and so clear.
And I'm not saying that there's nothing mysterious about the
Book of Revelation or whatever. But if you look at
the pattern of the Book of Revelation, the way it's structured,
with its judgments and what it talks about, it matches
the pattern of Matthew twenty four, which is Luke twenty one, right.
This is the all of that discourse in both of
those gospels. So I think it's very clear that the
Book of Revelation ecalypse is talking about the same stuff
that Jesus is talking about in that famous discourse. Therefore,
the easiest way to approach, the clearest, I think simplest
way to approach these texts, whether you believe they're in
spite or not, is to understand the historical context and
the historical context does have to do with apocalypticism of
that time period. I'm not saying, by the way that
that there's nothing future fulfillment for us as Orthodox or
for Roman Catholics. Uh, there are the last things. There is,
you know, some events of the last times, like the
final judgment, the resurrection of the body, these kinds of things.
But we don't have this elaborate scheme that's all kind
of drawn up, like don't nigy, here's my Bible prophecy church,
the blood moons will cover Israel.
Speaker 4: The blood.
Speaker 1: I was trying to think of the blood moon paj
When I eat the blood moon piles, you'll know the
end is near. That is literally how dumb John Hagy
shit is. But anyway, so we don't have charts, we
don't have these like elaborate schemes because we don't know
that it's not told to us. So when we get
towards the end, I'll give if I get this question
a lot. I've not yet got to a point where
I have the time to really, from my perspective, write
an article. I do have an old article about the
Temple and Josephus that people could read if they want
Matthew twenty four and Josephus compared, and you can find
that in the archives. But also I'll list a couple
of short books that people could read if they want
to go down that route, because I do get a
lot of messages about what do you think about the
end times? What do you think about this? What do
you think of that? And I will say too that
again the Orthodox Study Bible notes they get it perfectly right.
It's the first time there's ever been a study Bible
that actually understands that these texts are talking about seventy eight.
Now there are aspects that do refer to future realities.
But if you read my Daniel article, if you look
at what the Order Dark Study Bible says and the
Daniel notes, if you look at Daniel, it's talking about
the same thing Jesus is talking about, and it's talking
about what happened in the first century, and it removes
a lot of this nonsense, which is a perfect tool
for the State, for the Pentagon, for the CIA, for
social engineers to concoct nonsense to fool a bunch of dummies.
And they do the same thing with Muslims. Evangelicals are
used the exact same way Muslims are. John your comments, Yes,
we're up to two thirty. We're up to two thirty.
Let's see if we can. We're doing good, so go John.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well you're thinking of the Bible verses and all that.
Like I said, I'm not an organized religion person.
Speaker 1: That's cool, but I mean, you know, give your perspective
on on the times and you being being manipulated through
the fear.
Speaker 3: Sure well, I mean an interesting thing, just a note
about apocalypse. Calypso kept Odessus on an island, detained, and
Calypso means to cover, So she's the goddess who keeps
you know, Odessas on the island, detaining him on an island.
It's interesting that the story of John the relater is
on an island being detained and he's talking about the
a apocalypse, the callipse, the uncovering, so interesting correlation. There.
Speaker 1: Are you doing a little bit of jord and Maxwell
for us? John?
Speaker 3: That's that's that's all John Adams research.
Speaker 4: They're not, of course, if you understand the The Apocalypse
is clearly discussing the two doc tiles coming down through
the hell portal gates into my backyard to initiate the
end of times as the least.
Speaker 3: The real Bible is the Yeah, you have to go
to the Geneva Bible. Jay, that's the thing, Theva, that's
the Geneva. No, yeah, so uh but yeah, I think
with with a with a you know, the story of
the revelations and the and it can it can always
be used no matter what time period it was. It
was you know, used in the Civil War, it was
used in World War One.
Speaker 1: That's a good point.
Speaker 3: Uh, Hitler was the beast.
Speaker 1: You know, there were even in the eighties they were
saying Reagan was the beast, Obama was the When I
was a kid, Uh, barcodes that was that was barcodes
on all products or the market.
Speaker 3: The beast symbols are you know. I used to have
a I actually used to have a Christian book that
had like little cartoon drawings and of of you know,
like people getting barcodes put on their heads, and that
you were going to walk around with a UPC symbol
barcode on your tattooed on your forehead.
Speaker 1: I've seen like inmates that literally have UPC, so like
people do that.
Speaker 3: I remember that in the nineties too, when people will
get barcodes tattooed on them to.
Speaker 1: Show that that's right. It was the thing in the nineties.
Speaker 3: Yeah, anti Christ so you know, which, I'm not an
atheist by any means of the word, but yeah, people
definitely go to the extreme to show how much they
despise religion, which I do not despise religion or religious beliefs.
But the thing of it is is is the the
evangelical culture primarily is based around.
Speaker 1: A rapture.
Speaker 3: Now there there has been many people who have predicted raptures,
including Chuck Smith. He predicted that the rapture was going
to happen in New Year's Day nineteen eighty one, and
then noting.
Speaker 1: How Lindsey had an eighty eight nineteen eighty eight prediction.
Speaker 3: Yep, so they've all had these predictions, and so they've
had to go back and rewrite the idea of it, saying,
you know, so before it was going to be a
pre apocalypse rapture, and then later it was going to
be a post to put you know, oh, well, we're
going to have to live through the tribulation because people
are starting to see, you know, the signs of the
of the New World Order, whatever you know people want
to call it, and they're realizing they're going to have
to actually live through some of these things that they
believe are going to correlate with the Book of Revelation.
So they've come to the conclusion that they will actually
have to live through the tribulation to make it through
to the rapture.
Speaker 1: But during the.
Speaker 3: Nineteen sixties and seventies, everybody was pretty convinced that the
rapture was going to happen. And interestingly enough, there was movies.
Speaker 1: Made, yes good point that went along with this.
Speaker 3: And showed people and it was actually prove in fact,
there was a movie made of the late Great planet
Earth that was narrated by Orson Wells.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, I didn't know that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you could look that up on YouTube. It's awesome.
I mean that, it's like awesomely bad, right, Yeah, it's
awesomely it's good bad. Another good bad one is A
Thief in the Night and you can watch that for
free on YouTube too, And that's that's the one that
scared the crap out of me as a kid watching that.
There's people getting guilatined, there's you know, the rapture comes
and people are disappearing in their cars on the freeway
in traffic, set a standstill because people have you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what, you know what I just watched
a couple of nights ago, and this probably fits into that.
Is this like the seventies? Yeah, okay, The Omen, which
I put on the show banner. That's seventies, and I
forgot that. There's this really funny part. Anytime Hollywood tries
to do apocalypse and time stuff, they make up Bible
quotes every time in a movie. It's it's in tons
of them, it's in end of Days, it's in uh
the job, yes, seventh Sign with Demi Moore.
Speaker 2: The anyway, So I'm watching The Omen and Gregor Gregory
Peck starts Gregory Peck gives birth to the anti Christ,
and he starts reading Bible verses.
Speaker 1: And he makes up this Bible verse this doesn't exist,
and it's like, Andre show.
Speaker 2: Your night the entire European continent, and this shall be
a comet that crosses the sky.
Speaker 1: That's literally what it says. That I'm sitting here thinking
that is the that was like, did none of them
read the Bible at all?
Speaker 3: No? I think he was actually reading out of the
Late Great Planet Earth. Oh, I bet he was, you know, yeah,
you know, if the Late Great Planet Earth is is
is a great movie because if you read the book
and you're cracking up at the fact that he's literally
going through scriptures and he's saying that when you know,
easy feels talking about the armies. And then hel Lindsay
goes down to the bottom after the after he quotes
the scripture from Ezekiel. He said, obviously, you know, he says,
he says, obviously the scripture is referring to the Russians
and their nuclear capability. This is and he's literally saying
in there that Ezekiel, you know, Ezekiel and Daniel are
talking about, you know, Russians having nukes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and it's uh. I remember a video back
when I was an evangelical where hal Lindsay said that
he was still doing the Russia thing, and he was
saying that when when John in the Apocalypse talks about
the plagues, and this is when Russia lets loose the nukes,
and then when when it talks about the scorpions, which
in the text are demonic spirits, John seeing the spiritual
realm uh al Lindsay says those are black Hawks because
they have metal bodies and they he says they're black Hawk.
He copters, Yeah.
Speaker 3: I think what he was actually referring to was when
when he was talking about Scorpions, is the band the
Scorpions when they made that song the winds have change
when the Berlin Wall fell.
Speaker 1: Okay, well yeah, the wall falling and letting.
Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, that would be an action of Satan the delute, Yeah,
the delusion, the delusion of Antoti Gallitzen right in the.
Speaker 1: The comedies are tricking us by the wall falling. Yeah. Yeah,
so the you know, we're getting out towards two fifty.
That's pretty good live.
Speaker 3: Yeah, cool, awesome, Hello everybody, thank you for tuning in.
I appreciate it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we just jumped up to two forty. So, uh,
if you're if you're new, if you just clicked into
the stream where this is jayde Ire from Jay's Analysis.
We're talking to John Adams of Hoaxbuster's call you. If
you followed us at all, if you're familiar with then
I'm sure you've heard us talking together. We've been podcasting
and interviewing for the last couple of years, and this
discussion We've gotten into some of the historical characters who
played a vital role in End Times manipulation, in the
American deureacracy, the Pentagon, the CIA, these different entities utilizing
evangelical groups. John, you went through some of the key
figures like Bill Bright and we talked about the neo
cons and Ronsfeldt. Do you have any more figures that
kind of has come to the four like, not necessarily
how Lendsby, but anybody in that vein that you think
has a clear connection to to being not what they appear. Sure.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, Paul Kaine, okay, tell us about him.
Speaker 1: I'm not familiar. Who's Paul Kane.
Speaker 3: Paul Kin You could look him up on your Wikipedia
right now. And he was an he was a minister,
but he was also interestingly enough, he worked for the CIA.
Oh okay, in the paranormal division of the CIA.
Speaker 1: So side spies and Stanford research type stuff.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's I cannot find any other information except for
that currently on mister Kane. But here's the interesting thing
about Paul Cain working for the CIA in the paranormal division.
He had a protege, and his protege is a man
by the name of Charles Smith, who goes by Chuck
Chuck Smith. Chuck Smith went to start one of the
biggest megachurches to basically begin, and that would be.
Speaker 1: Helpel Calvary Chapel. Yeah you cut out there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Calvary Chapel Ministries. That's Chuck Smith's ministry. He started
in Coasta Mesa, California in nineteen sixty eight, somewhere around there.
Speaker 1: I think Dave touches on this and weird scenes inside
the Canyon a little bit. I don't recall that, but yeah,
there's the brief mention of Calvary Chapel. And not because
one of the maybe not Chuck Smith, but one of
the Laurel Canyon people was instrumental in the early phases
of the rise of Calvary Chapel. I can find it.
Go ahead.
Speaker 3: I'm trying to think who it was. But in any case,
so Chuck Smith. You know, Chuck Smith has an interesting
history of himself because he he used to teach at
a four square church in Santa Anna, the four Square
Church of the Gospel in Santa Anna, and then all
of a sudden he decides that he doesn't want to
be part of that ministry. Anymore because he claimed he
had a vision from God, and the vision from God
that he had told him that he would be leading
thousands of people to God and that was his vision
that God gave him. And so he decided to leave
his his gig as a minister of the Four Square
Gospel Church in Santa Ana and decide to take over
the Calgary Chapel Ministry. And he was able to turn
it into basically one of the first mega churches.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 3: And like I said, his mentor was a CIA operative
for the paranormal of the CIA. So he ended up
being on you know, Time magazine, you know when they
had the Jesus People, a Time Magazine article that they
interviewed him.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 3: To watch the Jesus People document If you watch the
Jesus People documentary from the sixties, it features Chuck Smith
when he's baptizing people at the beach in Corona Del Mar, California.
Speaker 1: This is gold information here, people. I hope you appreciate this.
Speaker 3: Yes, So he was instrumental in the rise of this
type stuff. I got nothing against people getting baptized at
the beach. I mean, my parents were baptized by Chuck
Smith at the Beach in California.
Speaker 1: Schull chuee shoe real quick though, let me let me
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We do a lot of research and we put it
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so.
Speaker 3: This is you know that, Like I'm saying nothing else,
people getting baptized at the beach. I mean when when
I was and you know involved, I got baptized in
the pool in the backyard.
Speaker 1: You're saying that Chuck Smith brought a bunch of olive
oil and dumped it on your head in a pool
and a kiddie pool, and the CIA anointed you to
be their boy. That's what you're saying.
Speaker 3: Well, luckily I was not anointed or baptized by Chuck Smith.
Speaker 1: So that was before you got That was before you
went to the Benny Hen Show.
Speaker 3: There's another character there. But anyways, you know, like I said,
this is a this is another interesting thing, and there's
a lot of information that kind of correlates. It's kind
of hard to articulate it and get it all in there.
But you have to think about this time period too.
So Coasta Mesa, California, nineteen sixty eight. The landscape around
this area is very conservative. It's a very conservative landscape.
This is where some of the biggest military contractors in
the world were located. Orange County Coqui, colloquially for many
years was known as the Orange Curtain.
Speaker 1: And this is where we're going to get Silicon Valley too, right, absolutely, yeah.
Speaker 3: And so the Orange curt the reason it was known
as the Orange Curtain is because there was so many
It was like almost like nine right when conservatives loaded
in Orange County in the nineteen sixties and seventies. And
so it's very interesting in the in the beginning of
this post modern time period that a postmodern kind of
evangelicism made up of primarily ex hippies and ex drug
users that are being moved into what would later be
the religion that would help to bring about Ronald Reagan
and super militarization just happens to come out of this
area high conic concentration of military industrial complex and you know,
John Birch society type stuff. So that to me is
very interesting that that is, yeah, stuff kind of correlates.
It's also interesting to note that within a ten to
fifteen mile radius you have some of the biggest churches
in the world all right there, So literally across the
freeway from Calbary Chapel is TBN.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, I did not know that, okay. And by
the way, there was documents that were that were out
a while, but they may not be legit, but I mean,
come on, it's not hard to believe. But there was
like FBI dot documents about Paul Crouch having a bunch
of running a bunch of Hey, Paul Crouch had some
connection to the mafia, is what this was that came
out three or four years ago. It was a big
news story for a little while and it disappeared. I'm
not saying that that means the FBI was good. I
mean the CIA and the mafia and these people like
Paul Crouch, I mean they're they're like all joined at
the hip. So it's not I'm not trying to defend institutions.
I'm just saying that's very believable, is what I'm trying
to say. Yeah, the one, the one.
Speaker 3: The one interesting story that Jordan Maxwell has is that
he had a friend who worked at a Belbo Balboa Beach,
which is the Newport Beach liquor store that used that
used to deliver liquor to Paul and Jen Crouch's parties.
So Paul and Jen Crouch would have parties with liquor
at them. Interesting. Uh. It was also rumored that Paul Crouch,
I think.
Speaker 1: She spilled some that purple drank in her hair.
Speaker 3: Dude's purple stuff.
Speaker 1: He's got cotton candy hair. Yeah.
Speaker 3: It's also rumored Paul Crouch was a you know, closet homosexual. Right,
So yeah, TBN down the street from TBN. Pretty, you're
down down the freeway from TBN to Saddleback Church. Wow.
Just a little bit north of those churches is the
Crystal Cathedral with Robe. Just a little bit here over
across the way near Disneyland is the Vineyard.
Speaker 1: Holy like Petriot Dish.
Speaker 3: Yeah, literally across the street. Directly across the street from Disneyland.
There used to be a church that was very popular
in the seventies and eighties. It was called melody Land,
and that was a steampull of kind of you know,
kind of hippie kind or not more you know Jesus
people kind of evangelical stuff comes out of melody Land.
And then you know, when you get up into Los Angeles,
like I said before, you get all those other types
of churches, the ones slipping but slipping my mind. But
the campus crusades from for Christ comes from u c
l A. That's where Bill Bright started the campus Crusades
at the campus of u c l A. Henrietta Henrietta
Meres lived in bel Air, which is right above, which
is right above U. C. L A. And this is
all in and around Hollywood, So very very interesting that
all this type of stuff correlates around Hollywood military intelligence agencies.
You've got the you know, you've got the same old
stuff here, basically, is what I'm saying. And and you know,
like I mentioned the Crystal Theater, Robert Schuler, you know,
he kind of plays a little role in this kind
of another thing that pops its head up with evangelicism.
Speaker 1: Real quick, John, let me ask you, while we're on
the topic of Schuler and all that garbage. If I recalled,
didn't you at one time make the point about the
the new Thought positive thinking movement Norman Vincent Peelee. Didn't
that have some kind of deep state connection to or
at least some social engineering money. And because that's what
Robert Schuler is, it's just like a window dressing quote
Christianity version of Norman Vincent Peel stuff. Right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Actually yah, I was just about to say prosperity Gospel, Yeah,
pops its stuff up with.
Speaker 1: Robert and you talked about new Thought, right, I mean,
is is that connected.
Speaker 3: To this absolutely. Okay, yeah, the yeah, if you go on,
if you go on Robert Schuler's wiki page, if if
it's still if it's still there in its same form,
it's it says he's a mottivational speaker. So so I
thought that was funny.
Speaker 1: Do you hear my Jordan Peterson thing? I was saying
that people are Jordan Peterson is Tony Robbins and Milo
in the body of a young Vincent Price.
Speaker 3: I saw that.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's gonna that's gonna make everybody mad, but that's okay.
But anyway, so go ahead.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I listened to your critique. It was a very
very interesting and good.
Speaker 1: The Uh.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so Robert, you know, Robert Schuler, you also plays
a big role in kind of this shifting and changing
uh you know, uh time period of religion. He had
a drive in movie theater, uh that he converted into
a church.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 3: Really the cathedral used to be a drive in movie theater.
He would actually have people drive in and he would
be on the loud speaker with the boxes in the
cars like in the in movie theater you know, back.
Speaker 1: When Riven that is insane.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And so he had that and then he built
the Christal Cathedral or the first you know, the what
was it called the the Tower, uh, the Tower of
Hope tower, yeah, tower of Hope, but the Tower of
Power because he had yeah yeah, Joyce Riley.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, well all these people are interchangeable. It's all
the same bullshit.
Speaker 3: This was called the Hour of Power.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, so uh.
Speaker 3: So yeah. Another thing that kind of correlates with the
changing with the modernization of religion, of Christian religion, which
I always think is quite hilarious because we've talked about
this a little bit before on some of our I
think when we were talking about Acumenicism, was was Schuler
employed Richard Neutra to build the Tower of Hope and
then he employed Philip Johnson to build the Crystal Cathedral,
which I mean, those are the most modernist architects.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Right, that's a good point of the time period.
Speaker 3: So he employs these you know, modernist architects to build
this church and the Crystal Cathedral. If you go look
at it from the front angle, it's an upside down pyramid.
Speaker 1: Hmmm.
Speaker 3: Right, So it's got this kind of odd shape, but
the front part of it is an upside down triangle.
Speaker 1: So there you know it.
Speaker 3: The cathedral itself bears no resemblance to anything having to
do with the church whatsoever.
Speaker 1: Right, that's a good point, you know.
Speaker 3: So, yeah, you're you're, you're absolutely correct. He was a
part of the Prosperity Gospel, the New Thought, you know,
kind of a continuation of the Norman Vincent.
Speaker 1: Peel and Norman Vincent Peel, if I recall, was a
high level Mason. He was either a thirty two or
thirty three degree free Mason.
Speaker 3: So so was so was Schuler.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, okay, that makes sense.
Speaker 3: Norman Vincent Peel was Rockefeller funded. Oh okay, he had
Rock money kind of backing him up to I think
he was from New York if i'm if I'm remembering correctly,
don't quote me on that. But yeah, when you get
back into the h there's a there's a good book
on this, Kate Bowler's book. It's called Blessed History, a
History of Prosperity Gospel. People should check that out. There's
another one. There's another one called The Charismatic Century. People
could go back and read that and kind of goes
into the history of the uh, you know, like the
Azuza Street Revival. Yes, right, that's another That's another thing.
I didn't bring this up with Tim, but I'll bring
it up with you. That's another interesting thing about California
is it's home to one of the biggest Christian universities
in the world. Is Pacific Mm hmm, I do about this, Yeah,
AZUSA Pacific University is a very large, uh Christian institution.
Speaker 1: I I I don't.
Speaker 3: I believe it's a non denominational university.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, so it's like, is it like a is
it charismatic in the tradition of the Azuza Street Revival
giant school?
Speaker 3: I I would, I would tend to think so.
Speaker 1: I didn't.
Speaker 3: You know, I don't know that for a fact, But
I just know that there's not really any sort of
Usually you go, you know, you have religious universities, there's
some sort of denomination attached to it, right, you know,
Southern method as Southern Baptist or you know, Catholic universities
or whatever. A Zoosa Pacific is a non denominational Christian
like a Christian university, and it basically kind of correlates
with a kind of uh no, no, sort of denomination
kind of the evangel the Evangelical University. Another another guy
who actually lived in California and died in Newport Beach
was Oral Roberts.
Speaker 1: I was about to bring up Oral Roberts University.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, which, uh, which many many of today's big
time pastors actually graduated from.
Speaker 1: Oral Roberts University.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and so Oral Roberts was there to churn out
the next way he was.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was turning out that like the like the
Kenneth Copelands and these kind of guys. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I think Benny did Benny Hinn go to Oral Roberts University?
I think so, Yeah, Yeah, and maybe even TD Jakes
did or something like that. One of the black guys
did something like that. I can't remember.
Speaker 1: So do we have you got any more juicy? I
mean this is great, there's a lot of juicy nuggets.
We've still got two hundred and twenty three two thirty
people watching.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 1: If if you want us to move into the question period,
h do send a super chat here and we'll read
your question.
Speaker 3: A lot.
Speaker 1: It looks like we've got a good bit of the
atheist types in the chat here. The crimes in the Bible,
genocide in the Bible. Yeah, I'd be glad to eventually
do those topics. That's not what we're here to talk
about tonight, But that's okay, I'm not I didn't come
on here to debate the Bible. Yeah, this is not
like atheist night. What we're here to talk about is
the social engineering behind the end time stuff. And then
when we finished talking with John, I will give some
of my book recommendations for people that, you know, want
to delve deeper into this topic. And I'm going to recommend,
you know, readable sized books, not giant things, for people
that want to get my perspective on it, because I
get that question a lot. So we do have some
super chats here. Are they any good questions or they
just chats? Send more, mammon. That is a good statement,
but not exactly a question. The Big Brother fart analogy
made made me pee myself laughing. Well, I'm glad I
could make you pee and laugh at the same time.
Increase Jones audio. We did that. So how do here's one?
How do UFOs tie into the apocalypse? That's a good question.
I don't actually think that UFOs are part of the apocalypse.
I think that it's possible that maybe and there could
be some kind of strange phenomenon at the end and
end Days or something like that. But I don't think
that we know when the end and End Days is.
I think that as it gets closer to that time period,
it'll be evident. But I don't think that there are
aliens that are flying around in space and watching us
or anything like that. So that would be my response
to that question. We got a couple more here.
Speaker 3: Can I answer? Can I answer that question?
Speaker 1: Yeah, John got Yeah, sure, be feel free.
Speaker 3: There was a movement in the sixties and seventies to
tie Jesus to aliens.
Speaker 1: Okay, talk about that done, and then into.
Speaker 3: The nineteen eighties, this idea that Jesus is going to
come into spaceship. There's a there's a song out there,
a song I really like a lot. It's pretty. It's
called UFO. It's by Jim Sullivan, and it's literally a
song about Jesus coming down in the spaceship. I think
Speared in the Sky kind of has been kind of
used in that way in the culture to kind of
play that Jesus connected, you know, Like don't they use
Spirit in the sky in like Apollo thirteen or something
so it's kind of yeah, good plant to NASA and space. Yeah,
the idea, this is a theosophical idea as well, because
good point, you know, Blovatsky specifically talks about how Jesus
is one of the space Brothers and good point.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I forgot about that, you know. So yeah, exo
theology is a classic attempt of cults. And if you
heard the interviews with James Kelly and the cult series,
the Nation of Islam has the exo theology alien element.
Scientology has the exo theology alien element. Jim Jones actually
People's Temple had the the alien exo theology element. So
that's a very smooth the ray aliens I mentioned them
in my book. That's a very smooth transition from Jesus
to the space brothers. And the CIA has been involved
in that for a long time.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and there's other elements of that too, I mean
to a certain extent, like Mormons are all into transhumanism.
That's a good point, spaceships and uh, you know all
that type of stuff. You know, I would say that
there's other pop culture, there's other pop culture stuff that
kind of implies that, you know, Jesus is a space
brother in flying in the UFO Udanakin sitchen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I mean the rapture idea is kind of,
you know, kind of in the same principle here, like
remember Heaven's Gate. Heavens Gate was another exo theology and
they thought they're gonna get raptured.
Speaker 3: And yeah, yeah, so you have this this kind of
stuff actually kind of making its way into pop culture
because I think a lot of the ancient alien type
stuff would would imply like I think what they what
what that type of stuff tries to do is whereas
you get you know, the people, there's the people out
there who say, and I'm not disagreeing with some of
this stuff, well, let's just say I'm just going to
be objective about the information. So there's the people who
would say that Mohammed or Jesus does never existed in history, right,
And then there's the people who would say, well, they existed,
but they were they were the ancient aliens. They were
sent here, but they were sent here by the ancient aliens.
They you know, you know when the ascension, Jesus's ascension
was him being beamed up by a UFO and you know,
Giorgio Sukulos can prove this, right, So I'm sure that
this type of stuff, uh plus plus you know, all
all that type of stuff. They'll go into other religions,
like you know, the Hindu karma wheel is actually a UFO, right, yes.
Speaker 1: Good point. Yeah, the wheels of Ezekiel become giant spaceships,
and that's also the Hindu chariot, right yeah, So.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Ezekiel saw a spaceship. Ezekiel Elijah went up in
a in a spaceship, right, it was it was a chariot.
But because well, i mean, come on, Jade, they didn't
know what UFOs looked like back then.
Speaker 1: They just saw, right, just like hal Lindsay says that
the apostle John, you didn't know what a black hawk was.
So if John saw black hawk, he would describe it
as a giant scorpion with a metal body.
Speaker 3: So let me tell you them, there's a black cock
coming down in my house right now. I'm not kidding
they just it's been following ever since we started doing
this broadcast.
Speaker 1: Vintage Alex there, this is old. This is like nineteen
ninety eight Alex when he was doing America Destroyed by Design.
Remember that one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah, so many times.
Speaker 1: Okay, we got two more questions here. We got a
couple of super chats. Pepe I wonder who Pepe is?
Pepe keck the Malachi Martin said, the Soviet Union faked
its own death. Yes, if you go back when the
show is archived after we finished tonight, you'll hear we
did for a section cover defectors. We mentioned Anatoli Galitzen,
and we mentioned Yuri Besmanov, and we mentioned him in
the context of being skeptical of defectors. And so Malachi Martin,
I would say, is just as dubious as these same
kinds of characters. If you read Keys of This Blood,
it's all about fostering the Cold War. Malachai Martin's whole
thing is the Commies are gonna get us, The comedies
are going to get us. That's who's infiltrating the church.
He never mentions that he was probably Cia and all
of his Cia buddies that were common during that church.
As David Wimhoff shows emphatically, dogmatically, without any doubt, it's
one hund percent proven in his book. So I don't
trust defectors. It's a great engine of CIA disinformation defector stories.
So we did cover that. You can just listen to
it later. John, any comments on that question.
Speaker 3: I own The Jesuits by Malachi Martin, but I've never
read it, and I've never read any of his other books,
so I have no comments.
Speaker 1: Next question is do you know about Robert Weber and
the convergence movement trying to bring evangelical, charismatic and traditional
style liturgies together. Yes. In fact, I remember when I
first started seeing this trend about ten years ago. I
started researching the history of the Emergent Church, which I
guess maybe now it's convergent Church and all this stuff
does it? The names don't match the same kind of thing,
And yeah, it's a kind of a way to try
to draw people out of as we talked about the
beginning of the conversation, more traditional movements into new fads,
and so the corporations, even the CIA, these de Pentagon,
they all experiment with these different flavors of movements to
draw people and test, you know, in these different things.
All of these big megachurches are uh, you know, government
run stuff, and so Alf Jones was right about that part.
But but yes, we did earlier on We did mention
the emergent church movement and we did talk about it
having connections to the deep State. So John, any thoughts
on that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I think what happens is is over time, uh,
whatever whatever it may be, people start to kind of
go back to you know, they get they get tired,
you know, the the megachurch type stuff. It's going to
run its course, so people might kind of go back
to something earlier, like maybe look for some more traditional
type stuff. In fact that I actually saw a Presbyterian
pastor kind of talking about this. Uh, they kind of
kept their worship service in line with what original worre
ship services were, and he was expecting that that there
was going to be a re emergence of that old
type of worship because people were going to tire of
you know, Joel Ostein and all that type of stuff.
But I think what happens is is in the course
of people kind of looking for traditional, more traditional type stuff,
they'll try to.
Speaker 1: Kind of.
Speaker 3: Circumvent that with a with an invented traditional I don't
know how to explain myself thoroughly, but it's like someone
will go looking for a traditional type of something, but
it'll it'll be a reinvented type of thing. And I
think with what she's talking about what I'm sorry, I
don't know. Was it a was it an old lady?
Speaker 1: It was? It was it was Adam asked that question. Adam.
Speaker 3: Okay, sorry, Adam, I thought it was Eve just kidding.
That was bad. Yeah, with the Robert Weber and Yeah,
that's what you're gonna see is kind of an emerging
of of of I guess philosophy is emerging of theologies
into kind of this mishmash postmodern.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a great way to put it that the
emergent church movement is completely postmodern and the postmodernists we're
also CIA funded. You can read about the French theorists,
the Deidad, these different characters. They also had CIA backing.
That will be in my book as well. So we've
gone almost two hours. We're getting numbers are dropping a
little bit. Maybe we need to come to the end here, John,
I'm gonna let you have the final all concluding remarks
if you've got any more nuggets that you want to
kind of throw out before we Yes, Fuko exactly, Thank you, Trevor.
Fuko was definitely one of these gay Jesuit occultists who
stared over the abyss. But anyway, John, you got any
more nuggets before we kind of moved to the conclusion here.
Speaker 3: Uh Yeah, Calvin Chapel had a pastor. Calvin Chapel had
a pastor and he was kind of chucksmiss right hand man.
And he was a long haired, bearded hippie type and
his name was Lonnie Frisbee.
Speaker 1: I've heard this one. Yeah, this is a good one.
Speaker 3: He was a young man and he basically kind of
looked like Jesus, and so he went around kind of recruiting,
you know, people, getting all the young people to come
in and join the church and come to the service
and the whole bit. There's there's a documentary on Lonnie
Frisbee you can find and watch, and Lonnie Frisbee was
the whole time he was a pastor at Calbert Chapel,
he was an alcoholic, drug using homosexual wow okay okay,
And people at the church even knew this, but they
covered it up. And there's even an interview with somebody
from that documentary it may have even been Chuck Smith Junior,
where he was saying, you know, Lonnie would come in
and he you know, you could tell he'd been partying
the night before, but you could just tell that when
he stepped into that church, the Holy Spirit.
Speaker 1: Was with him and.
Speaker 3: He was alive and he was able to you know,
fire people up. And I was I was just you know,
thinking about how funny that, you know, this went on
for many many years where this this guy, you know,
even into the nineteen eighties where he cut his hair,
and you know, this type of stuff goes on for
long come and interestingly enough, Pauline Chuck Smith's mentor had
been accused of being a homosexual alcoholic as well, So
seems to be a rampant amongst these type of minutes.
Speaker 1: That's a great point, exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah, a lot
of these people seem to be very morally compromised individuals.
So I mean it's not like we're just talking. I mean,
we all obviously have sins. The point is not to nitpick,
but that it really seems to be a lot of
these big name megastar evangelicals seem to have this compromising
aspect in their background and in their makeup.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's it's you know, it's one it's
one thing if a mechanic is a closet homosexual, alcoholic,
but if you're a pastor, you know that's that's a
little different there. That's quite a compromise. So yeah, you see,
you see this trend kind of run through there. And
you know, the biggest thing I think overall is when
you have this culture, it's born out of this background
that the apocalypse is going to happen. Jesus is coming,
He's returning any day. Now it doesn't happen. It continues
on into the eighties. As we move into the eighties,
a base has been created for the election of Ronald Reagan.
Speaker 1: Okay, right, and then.
Speaker 3: You move on into the nineteen eighties with the Council
for National Policy and a literal foundation and base as
a religion has been created as a political arm. Okay,
Now you have a religion that is a political arm
of Republican politics. Yeah, okay, this is something that didn't
happen in any previous time period.
Speaker 1: That's a good point. Yeah, And this is why we
see the dominance of the neo conservative foreign policy mindset
in the evangelical world, especially as you said, in that
Reagan era, moral majority crowd fallwell type Crop.
Speaker 3: Absolutely. Yeah, it was set up from the sixties to
become this political arm and I would even speculate, can't
prove it, but I would even speculate that they may
have even had Reagan picked out for this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised. Yeah, I mean Reagan was
probably compromised. In fact, remember h Chapman that used to
come on Alex Jones's show and Bob, Yeah, he would
always talk about that he knew that. Right, I'm not
This doesn't prove it, but I'm saying he was always
tking about how he knew that that Reagan was compromised.
Alex doesn't. Alex doesn't play that clip anymore. But uh
that you can find that one.
Speaker 3: So as it moves into the eighties, the other thing
it successfully does is and I have the empirical background
to be able to to say this is is it
moved these people who were kind of and this type
of Christianity, you know, a morphed as it as as
it went down through time. Because that's what postmodernism has
to do, right, that has to constantly reinvent itself. So
so it moved people that were outside. So this kind
of separation of family and tradition. You break it up
with youth movements and say, hey, all the stuff that
these people are doing in the modern world, which you
could make an argument that it wasn't great. Okay, let's
just see the nuclear family and the modernization. All right,
it's not that great, okay, but whatever. You break it up,
you take the youth away from them. You get parents
and children at odds with each other. You create this
youth movement. They break away. They say, hey, we don't
want anything to do with the technology and the modern
We're going to go out here in the woods and
we're gonna grow our hair long and all that type
of stuff. Whether it was evangelical religion or whether it
was New Age stuff or whatever it is. You get
them back into these these ideas, and then by the
nineteen eighties you're able to move them back into.
Speaker 1: The modern world. Yeah, that's a good point. So I
saw that with my parents.
Speaker 3: My parents, you know, they were kind of like, oh,
we're not going to eat General Mills, We're not going
to drink Coca cola, you're not going to watch television.
You're not gonna do And then by the time the
mid eighties starts to roll around my parents. You know,
it's like, Okay, we can eat McDonald's. Now, hey we
can have soda, all right, cool. I can watch you know,
I can watch some MTV. Sometimes it starts getting a
little starts getting a little lenient as every and and
the church itself moves in because it moves into that
phase too. Because literally, I'm not kidding Jay and I'm
and you may have, but by the time I was
in high school, there were Christian death metal bands.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that still exists. I have I have a friend
who is into that. He really likes those, so that
and that still exists, which is very bizarre. But whatever
anybody likes is none of my business. But it's just funny.
It is funny, and I think he thinks it's funny too,
But yeah, it's.
Speaker 3: Just funny to think about it. That that the stuff
that well, I mean, you know, even when we were
you know, younger, I mean, there's Christian heavy metal bands,
Striper and all that. So Christianity was was mimicking all
of the stuff that they said culture culture it was.
But it's just instead of saying Hail Satan, it's hal Jesus.
Speaker 1: You got So.
Speaker 3: I was just going to kind of wrap it up
there is is that you have this kind of religion
born of this you know, apocalyptic nature with the background
of the Cold War. It's all going on in southern
cal It's all starting in southern California in an area
that's centered around intelligence and military industrial complex, right, you know,
kind of right wing politics, and it succeeded in creating
a foundational base for moving the right wing politics forward
into the nineteen eighties with the election Ronald Reagan, the
creation of the Council for National Policy, which was started
by Tim Lahay, who later wrote the Left Behind series
that is.
Speaker 1: So popular Great Point, Great Point, which.
Speaker 3: Is more apocalyptic nonsense, and interestingly enough, the Council for
National Policy actually stated Lehay has stated that his idea
was to create a Christian Council on Foreign.
Speaker 1: Relations, a so called right wing CFR for those that
don't know, right, yeah.
Speaker 3: So so yes, and Tim Lahay actually wrote a book
with Helendsey.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I know, so.
Speaker 1: I wish we could leave Tim Lahay and his people behind.
Can we just leave them behind? Right?
Speaker 3: Yeah? You know, you want to know what's hilarious if
you go on Tim la Hay's a wiki page. It
was changed like in December. If you go on there,
there's a quote from him about the Illuminati.
Speaker 1: I'm not kidding.
Speaker 3: Somebody just put it in there in December. It says
like Tim la Hay believed that there was an illuminati
who controlled the world and that uh, I'm serious. Yeah,
And that's all the left wing see of far people right,
the liberal illuminati that wants to, you know, do get
rid of the neo cons. All right, we got a
couple more questions here and then we'll we'll wrap it up.
I'll give some book recommendations. I guess this one is
for me.
Speaker 1: Are there any suspected CIA promoted heresies in the Orthodox Church? Yeah?
I cover this. Actually, the best overall topic for that
that I've done already is the talk that I did
with John and Chris and I think I titled it
Mystery Babylon and Ecumenism and Public Education. That talk's still popular.
It gets like one hundred views every few days. It's
uped in the ten thousand or so views. That one's
really good. It's really in depth. I go into the
history of ecumenism and really the main battle of the
Orthodox Church in the twentieth century is a humanism. This
is the battle for in any of the churches and
religions basically. Uh, and so yes, I think that wim
Hoff shows that many other people have shown it. The
Rockefellers created, fostered, and funded that move. I mean, it
wasn't totally the Rockefellers, but eventually they're the ones that
made it what it is. So that's who's behind ecumenism.
And that would be my answer to that question for sure.
Go ahead for.
Speaker 3: Anybody who wants. Here's something funny. There is a book
written by a Marxist. Her name is Holly sky are
m h and it is an expose of the Trilateral Commission.
It's called Trilateralism. She's a Marxist and in it is
a whole bunch of stuff saying how bad and evil
David Rockefeller is and how bad Trilateralism is. In the
beginning of the book, in the forwards, she thinks the
World Council of.
Speaker 1: Churches, Yeah, this and this would be like Gorbachev. Uh,
like criticizing the Rockefellers and then being like this megastar
at the United Nations. M. Yeah, that's a great point, John, Yeah,
that I think that sums it up. So yes, Uh.
The the recent even the Russian Russian bishops, many of
them had commented recently on the Council of Crete, which
is intended to be the Vatican Two for Orthodoxy last year,
and it totally failed because most of Orthodoxy had no
interest in going to a giant ecumenical conference, so that
the Council of Crete failed, and that was one hundred
percent funded by NATO and the West. Next question for me,
what are my thoughts on the certain group. I'm not
going to name this group. I don't want to give
them attention and traction. I had an email exchange with
this person long time ago. We're not going to go
there for various reasons, so there will not be a
debate with them for that reason. And the other part
of this question, what do I think about in times
and whatever they're into now? Any group, I'll just say this,
any group or person that at one time predicts the
end of the world. Okay. So, like we were talking
about earlier with John, when John was making the point
about how Lindsey, if you come to these topics from
a biblical perspective, there's the injunction in scripture for example,
that you'll know a false prophet when the things that
they predict don't come true. That's kind of a basic
rule of thumb for false prophets and teachers. So any
of these groups out there that are claiming to know
when the end is and this kind of stuff and
it doesn't happen. And this group has done this many times.
So that's why I don't associate with any of those groups.
I'm not going to waste my time debating them. They're
very ridiculous. So that is my answer to this group.
Speaker 3: There's a ministry called End Times Prophecy. Have you ever
heard of that?
Speaker 1: Not specifically that, No, what is that?
Speaker 3: You should check that out. It's pretty funny. Okay, there's
a ministry called End Times minister.
Speaker 1: All right, this is that We still got a couple
hundred and to two hundred and fifty people. If this
is your last chance for any super chats or questions
before we wrap this up, or you know, put them
in there if you want to, if you want to
get on here before we go, I'm going to give
you a couple of books and you can have a
few seconds to type out your question if you want.
If you've got another question, and then we'll let John
wrap things up, and that'll be it for tonight. So
people have asked just easy books on the the view
of the apocalypse in Matthew twenty four that I take
that I think would make things very much more manageable,
much more sensible. It actually makes the Bible a lot
more coherent. A good place to start would just be
the Little Easy Book. This was actually written a long
time ago by a guy named Peter Hulford, who I
think is a Protestant, and it's just called The Destruction
of Jerusalem, and it's about the text of Matthew twenty four,
basically just showing that so much of this matches up
to what Josepha has talked about that it's very hard
to try to extend this into a bunch of crazy
stuff in Palestine and the year two thousand relating to
Norman Schwartzkough and desert Storm has nothing to do with that.
The next book I would recommend. It's a little bit
more difficult, but still eat an easy read, a couple
hundred pages. You can still get this book on Amazon.
This is David Chilton's book Great Tribulation. This is a
good one. It's a real clear, two hundred page book
on the idea of the Tribulation in the Bible, and
again how so much of this actually matches up to
fulfillments of predictions about seventy eighty very simple, very straight
to the point. If you want to go a little
more intense. This is actually a fairly well known THHD thesis.
I don't recommend to this guy overall, but this book
is great. And this is Ken Gentry's book before Jerusalem fell.
So this was his THHD thesis on the dating of
the Book of Revelation and specifically how it makes sense
to be dated prior to seventy AD and the destruction
of Jerusalem. I think Gentry makes a very strong case
for that if you want a more robust, complete commentary
of the Book of Revelation itself. The same guy that
wrote the Tribulation book, David Chilton, has his Classic Days
of Vengeance, and I remember the first time I read
this it really blew me away. Those are just some
easy ones to, you know, kind of building up to
complexity if you want to get into that topic. And unfortunately,
while this book is out of print, I did get
a copy just because it is a really good book,
but it's like eighty bucks I poll it. Maybe it'll
come back in print one day, but it will tie
into a couple of these other books. And it's basically
designed to show that from the Orthodox perspective, the worship
service is outlined in the Book of Revelation. That's our view, right,
and it succeeds in our view the temple and the
synagogue service. So this classic book Orthodox worship continuity with
the synagogue the temple in the early Church is really
the absence of our view. So for people who are interested,
those are some good books. One last one for people
who really want to get serious about a total study
of Biblical apocalyptics. This is a classic by Milton Terry.
I think he's a methodist actually Biblical apocalyptics, and he
really goes through all the prophetic texts and I think
puts the medic coherent order. And of course everybody, as
I said earlier, you can get the Orthodox Study Bible,
which has excellent notes on all the prophetic texts. I
highly recommend that you can get my book Esoteric Hollywood
Sex Cults and Symbols of Film at Jays Analysis, and
I will leave it to mister John anything you'd like
to leave us with and promote here at the end.
Speaker 3: Like I said, you could read Blessed by Kate Bowler. Okay,
that's a good book talking about prosperity Gospel. And there's
another one I can't remember the author's name, but it's
called The Charismatic Century. And then there's another one by
Professor Darren Deutchuk and it's called From Bible Belt to
Sun Belt and that's talking about it's talking about the
how California, California's role in the creation of of modern
day evangelical church.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, specifically about.
Speaker 3: Southern California's role that played in the creation of of
not only evangelical beliefs, but also right wing politics too.
So it's a very interesting book. Highly recommend that book.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that does sound good. And one more time, what
is it.
Speaker 3: It's called From Bible Belt to sun Belts by Professor
Darren Deutschuk. Yeah, I'm pretty good. If anybody's interested in
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Speaker 1: Cool beings, all right, thank you, John. This has been
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be a lot of fun. John. Thank you very much
for joining me tonight. It was a pleasure.
Speaker 3: My fingers are crossed.
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