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hear me? Now? Are we good? Why does it say

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no viewers? All right? Can you guys hear me? No,

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you're screwing with me? Not bad? Forty viewers and they'll

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trickle in as we get going here, just making sure

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I'm doing the live event stuff. Right, We got on

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my stream page. John's gonna be hearing a little bit

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and we should be good to go. There's my live chat,

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live control room. Here we go, strange status? Good? All right,

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where's the chat's at? Here we go? All right? Can

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you guys hear me? All you forty nerds in the chat? Awesome? Uh?

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So all right, yeah, before John gets here, we'll have

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a little bit of warm up in conversation. Let the

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other nerds trickle in like Ron Reagan's trickle in nerd economy.

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Uh When will I be on the worsty stream? They

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keep saying next week? They said. Look, I said the

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other day that the guy that they're geting is supposed

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to be down, big, big YouTuber, bigger than sticks, bigger

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than Stefan. So let's cross your fingers and let's hope

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that it goes down this week. On Warski stream, Andy

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says it should be good. We'll see. I don't know

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if that'll be Wednesday or Thursday, but probably some some

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somewhere in there if if the big name guy agrees

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to it. So it was Cooper dead in season three, yeah,

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twin Peaks stuff. Uh, I think so. I think we're

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supposed to think that he was and this was a different,

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you know, alternate dimension. But I'm gonna that'll be in

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the book. By the way, here's the the next four

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hundred pages of esoteric Hollywood too, and then that'll be

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in there. So taken forever. It takes forever to write books.

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But this is to just to trigger everybody and to

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make evangelicals mad. I'm going to uh, I'm going to

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play the Russian Orthodox proclamation of anathemas that's read on

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Triumph of Orthodoxy Sunday. And this one's neat because only

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in the Russian do you hear the specific kind of

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it's directed at those who would not listen to the

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imperium right the God or Dane emperors. So it's just

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to pour my coffee. It's late, I'm tired. But we're

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gonna have a good talk with John and I'll be

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the proclamations of the anathemas against those who don't accept

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the goddardined Orthodox emperors.

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Speaker 2: If if I do that, you Talbot, there's Irish ship

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Rotimus it mables, it is terrible.

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Speaker 1: Does your church sing anathema?

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Speaker 1: That is wild. It reminds me if you've ever seen

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the Thomas Beckett movie with Richard Burton when he does

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the anathema no one to go about another all? And yeah,

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you might as well not go crazy in the chat

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because I have the thing turned on. What. We're not

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here to talk about Batha Matt, dude, why you keep

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bringing that up. Well, I'm glad you want to talk

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about Satan, but we're here tonight to talk about We're

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here to talk to John Adams of Pokestbusters. If you've

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listened to Jay's analysis, you're familiar with John Adams. John

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will be joining us shortly. That's sorry, we're getting up

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here into the ninety nerds. Ninety nerds up in here.

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What's the nerds? John Adams is gonna join us here

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in a little bit. And he did a lot of

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research on evangelical gobbledegook, and that's the theme for tonight.

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That's what we're going to talk about. I was raised

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in this gobbledegook, so I know about it. John was

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as well. Now John's not Orthodox, He's not coming from

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the orthodox perspective. He's coming from the perspective of having

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geopolitical tip. And so we're gonna really delve into that

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because that's a big puzzle piece. If you don't get

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the geopolitical side of all the pre millennial gobbledygook, you're

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gonna be confused. And actually that's a big part of

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it that really explains. Once you get that, they're like, oh,

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to Washington's foreign policy. So we but we will also

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gonna recommend. It's not going to be boring, but we

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will get into maybe some verses here and there. Uh. Oh,

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do we have John. We have John, We have John Sign.

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Speaker 1: I'm doing well, John. It's been many months since we talked,

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one hundred live nerds watching how are you? You know?

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Speaker 3: Which see you on the.

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Speaker 1: Is that? Uh? I always get your your Johnny Carson

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and your Alex mixed up?

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Speaker 1: Over, Well you do you do a you do a

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really good version of both? And uh. A lot of

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people in the chat are saying hello John. For those

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Speaker 5: Adams, I am okay, hold on, Folksbusters call dot com and.

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Speaker 3: Myself and my friend Chris Kendall, we talk about.

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Speaker 1: Hey, John, Paul's one Secon and here we're getting echo.

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Speaker 1: Okay? Yeah, everybody says this sounds good? Now. Okay, So,

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as we were saying, John is the guy from Hoastbusters,

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start over, John tell us new to tell all the

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new listeners watchers who you are and what you do.

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Speaker 3: I co host the Afternoon Commute with Chris Kendall at

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Hoaxbusters Call dot com. Uh, it's a weekly podcast. We're

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hundred calls that we've done together, done a lot of research,

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special reports. That's why you have me here to talk

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had some of the best calls we've ever had with you.

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So yeah, I'm sure a lot of the listeners to

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Speaker 3: Term you coined Mega Interview.

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now if you've noticed what's the trend in YouTube is

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people go crazy, but we did do that, and we

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were having a lot of fun with those six hour

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epic marathon live streams. And now this is YouTube has

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gone crazy with debates. Now this is the hottest thing.

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million subscribers by now if I knew that there was

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live stream of eights ten years ago. Maybe there wasn't

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ten years ago. I don't know. Anyway, Tonight, we're here

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to discuss the most recent research that you've done. And

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really good stuff. Really, it really drives well with information

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that I lived because I grew up in the evangelical

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pre millennial kind of mindset. I got really into that

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of grew out of it for various reasons. We're not

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was a lot of the geopolitical and kind of do beous,

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shady character aspects behind these guys who are so prominent

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and put up there for us to follow, like the

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hal Lindsay's in this kind of stuff. So maybe we

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can just dive right in and get into talking about

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some of these characters and seeing how ridiculous they are.

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You had all kinds of facts about these guys that

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I had never heard that. It was just like who

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in their right mind I guess because people just don't

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know this, But who would in their right minds would

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listen to these people after being wrong so many zillions

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of times? And I was particularly cracking up at how

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Lindsey's scheme of like the rapture's coming and then the

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money that comes in. He's like investing in property in Malibu.

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I was cracking me up. So John, tell us about

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during that time period align themselves with anti communist type stuff, right,

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this is not just going to be an orthodox type

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podcast or discussion here, but I will say, just because

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even infants. And that's why the Orthodox Church, for example,

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always continues the practice of pedal communion infants take communion.

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to have children's church, to have Sunday school. And it's

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separation of groups out of what would be for us

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communal worship. So I think you're absolutely right there. I

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was glad when you noticed that that that actually and yes,

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splitting off in the invention of children's church and Sunday

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school and all this stuff, precisely because as it got

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the pop culture, but it also through the churches and

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that was That's what's so crucial. And if you do,

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you know, interviews with this guy, this really demonstrates this

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point powerfully from the Catholic perspective that even in the

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Catholic Church, this was this was the case. So that

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was a long rant. Go ahead, John, No, that's fine.

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Speaker 3: You know, I did this talk with Chris, and I

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did this talk with Tim Kelly as well, So I

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welcome your input and the extra things you can add

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are definitely welcomed. Yeah, Sunday School is an invention you're

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right of southern California. Interestingly enough, at the extensive research Chris,

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Chris and I have talked about Southern California comes from

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a lady by the name of Henrietta Meres, and she

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kind of pushed this idea of Sunday School out into

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the world. And she was actually the mentor to to

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Bill Bright, the creator of the campus for crusades for Christ. Yeah,

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she was also very she played a big role in

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the Billy Graham Crusades when Billy Graham was first coming

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for Sunday School to kind of push his ministry. She

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was also very have you know, she was very helpful

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to Ronald Reagan too with his governor and his presidential

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election and whatnot. These you'll see these characters throughout this US,

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you know, throughout this discussion kind of popping and out here.

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see this kind of bellion against traditional worship service kind

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of come in. And one thing you see out of

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this is you start to see these new kind of

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forms of worship service, you know, church start to take place.

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Speaker 1: Uh and uh, no, are you are you're talking about

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like the non dominant, the rise of non denominational churches

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and strip mall churches.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely yes, Uh industrial park churches. Uh that's where I

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went to church, in an industrial park.

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Speaker 1: Uh. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So you see you see this rise of oh, we

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don't want we don't want steeples, we don't want old

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people and pews, we want young people with long hair

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and sandals and ex hippies and ex druggies and all

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that type of stuff. Not knocking that. Like I said,

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I grew up around that type stuff, good people. This

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has nothing to do with people's evangelical beliefs or anything

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by myself. I'm not a religious person. I was raised religious,

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but I don't go with any particular belief system. But

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so I'm just looking at it objectively, and so with

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these people who were true believers. I believe that this

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movement was created and used for something a little bit

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later down the line, into the nineteen eighties. It created

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this idea of an apocalyptic religion. It was people were

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primed for this, and it wasn't only the church, it

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was the culture in general was kind of primed for

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this apocalypse. You know, Charles Manson is you know, having

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people murdered everywhere, and you know it's the end of

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the world. People are on drugs, Oh my gosh. This

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was also used as something to get people into the church.

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you better, you better get in there. It was also

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used by the campus crusades and promoted throughout this this

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particular type of evangelicism. You saw the rise of this

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kind of new thing of being born again, and born

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again didn't always apply to non believers. It was actually

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to other believers. You see, it wasn't good enough that

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you were a Christian. You had to be born again,

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you had accept the Holy Spirit, the Holy you know,

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if you didn't accept the Holy Spirit, you weren't doing

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it the right way. If you read Bill Bright's book.

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If you read Bill Bright's book, he actually says that

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this is kind of a tactic that you need, you know,

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you need to go out and proselytize to believers because they're.

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Speaker 1: Doing it wrong. That's a great point, Yeah, that the

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charismatic movement will figure into this in a big way,

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because I think you can very easily say from the

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entire history of the Charismatic movement that it was something

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that was co opted. And while you're talking about Bill Bright,

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it reminds me there's a great chapter in Ingdahl's newest book,

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Lost Hegemon, where he discusses the CIA intentionally choosing and

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using not just Billy Graham and the Billy Graham crusade

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because but also uh the that that the Pentagon is

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who initially put the money into campus crusade. And so

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you're absolutely right, this is in the period of the

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Cold War and it was so it's part of that,

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you know, evil Empire dialectic that the Pentagon was putting

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so much money into. And that's what that's where you

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get the rise of the moral majority, the rise of

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the Evangelical Protestant dominionist movement, who originally links up with

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kat Robertson kat Robertson, Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah. You started to steal all the all

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this stuff starts to come about all at the same time.

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Really like you know, by the end of the seventies

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into the early eighties, it all you know, rises up

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around Reagan and we and so you have this generation

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of people from you know, nineteen sixty seven to nineteen

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eighty who were kind of primed for this period. There

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wasn't going to be an apocalypse. I mean, I'm my

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parents believe that there was, you know, people in the pews.

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I'm sure there were actual preachers who did believe that

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there was going to be one. But a lot of

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this comes from a book called The Late Great Planet

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Earth that was written by hol Lindsay in nineteen seventy one,

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and it's a it's a ridiculous books. It's a hilarious

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book to read now, and to think that he's updated

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it every you know, two years or whatever every time.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I was just I was just looking on YouTube

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a few minutes ago and if you if you, if

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you google Hal Lindsay, you'll find the Prophecy Report, Hawle

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Lindsay Report or whatever it is. And it's like it's

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still like he's still running this game. He's like still

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making bank on the Prophecy. You would think that it

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would die away and that people would but no, it's like,

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how does Jim Baker come back on and have a

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TV show? How does Jimmy Swagger come back and have

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a TV show? Hole Lindsey still pimping the rapture.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and even some of the.

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Speaker 1: I remember.

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Speaker 3: I remember I don't know if Howlens has ever been

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on Alex Jones or anything, but I remember Alex Jones

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saying once he had he had Joseph Farrell on one time,

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and I remember he said he would love to get

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how Lindsay on and how great of a book Late

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Great Planet Earth?

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Speaker 6: That book well me up as unbelievable, folks. The Rapture

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is coming. The only thing I'm worried about is if

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the Rapture happens, am I gonna be on the can?

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Will I be clothed. What if I'm in the shower.

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I'm sure how as a theologian could answer those difficult questions.

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Speaker 3: Folks, What if the rapture comes? What am I gonna

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do with all the Superman vitality? If there's nobody to

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sell it to, I'm just gonna have to eat it myself. Yeah,

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so how Yeah, Hal Lindsey, he writes this book, and

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there's a great article. Everybody can go look it up.

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It was put out by Humanities magazine. It was winner

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of twenty seventeen Excellent Article and it's basically goes over.

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It was coincidental because it was a great article, because

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this is kind of stuff I've been looking at for

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about two years, and I read this article on mom man.

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This is all. This is basically everything I've been looking

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at for two years condensed down in one article here.

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So yeah, Humanity these magazine, you can find that article

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on how Lindsay and the apocalyptic religion.

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Speaker 1: And real quick, let me add so for the people

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that are watching that, we've already had some super chats

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come in and if you want to really get some

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questions at the end, the way to get me to

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read the questions is to send a super chat, doesn't

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matter what amount, any amount, and we will read the

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questions and we'll answer them later on when we get

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kind of done with the interview part. But so, so,

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you were talking about how Lindsey you were talking about

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in the interviews that I've heard you do on this

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subject matter, and it's it's it's crucial. I think it's

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vital to understand the Pentagon's influence here and if you

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look at the colts. I don't mean to change the subject,

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but I did want to say this earlier. You've done

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a lot of work when it comes to southern California

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and California being the mecca for alternative religious movements. What

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I'm wondering is, and I think you would probably agree,

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but when you look at the cults like the Jesus People,

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and then out of them comes the Children of God

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with Moses, David Berg and his pedophile, Hollywood connected group

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of you know, the Family of God family stuff, where

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River Phoenix, Rose McGowan come out of this cult, I

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think that it's clear that the Jesus People, which spawns

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kind of this modern third wave of charismaticism, which spawns

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the non denominational movement and then the Emergent Church. Believe

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it or not, this is also roughly the origins of

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what's nowaday called the Emergent Church, which I think is

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a complete total intelligence operation, There's no question about it.

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You look into the people who who were founding figures

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in the Emergent Church, you'll find the same patterns of

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all the cults. It's people who had, you know, high

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level intelligence connections CIA connections. And then, of course when

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we get into more of the geopolitical stuff, we'll also

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see other foreign policy. We'll see kind of a Zionist

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element obviously involved in the pre millennial type stuff. You'll

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see Washington's foreign policy loving the Russia is Gog and

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magog stuff. But what do you think about the Pentagon

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CIA having a direct link to the like the California

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cult movement and the evangelical stuff that came from it.

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Speaker 3: You're a little bit more well read on that direct connection. Actually,

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when I brought up the William Engal stuff with Tim

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on the last one, didn't. I didn't talk about that

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with Chris, but that was only because you had told

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me about it.

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Speaker 1: But that's cool though, because but but I mean, I

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think you have done a lot about the alternative religious movements,

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and I think that all I'm saying is that the

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reason it might not be surprising is that, you know,

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California is a test bad you You've talked about that

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a lot.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I mean it all comes out of the same area.

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I mean Sunset Boulevard right at the base of Laurel Canyon, Yeah,

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which of course is right where you know, Lookout Mountain

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was where they were faking all the nuke footage. Uh

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that is ground zero for Jesus people and people walking

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around passing out tracks and uh you know all that

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type of all that type stuff. Children of God called

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lots of I mean lots of different religious cults, you know,

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kind of based around Jesus. Necessarily they weren't Christian cults,

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but they were what was the other one? The Love

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cult was another one.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Uh yeah.

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Speaker 3: I Alan's son joined them where you know, like everybody.

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Speaker 1: And he he took he took acid and saw himself

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as like this yeah new religious figure.

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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, so uh yeah, there's LSD Jesus cults right,

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so sort the source was another cult around that area

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around that time that kind of you know, it was

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like a guy. He had like like thirteen wives or

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something like that, and they owned a vegetarian restaurant on

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Sunset Boulevard. If you watch the movie Annie Hall, mm hmm,

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there's a scene where Woody On and Diane Keaton or

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eating at the Source restaurant, and that's actually owned by

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a CIA cult.

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Speaker 1: Wow, I did not know that. Okay. So another good

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point that somebody mentioned the chat and yes, I was

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actually going to mention the history of the Schofield Bible.

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So the Scorefield Bible goes back to John Nelson Darby,

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and Darby was in the cult Plymouth Brethren. And you

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might recognize another famous figure who grew up in the

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Plymouth Brethren named Alister Crowley. So the Plymouth Brethren are

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very good at spawning other cult leaders. But yes, so

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there was an Anglican. The reason that Oxford Prince the

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Schofield Bible is because there was this British imperial influence

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obviously in the printing of that Bible. Not accidental that

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you have the establishment of Balfour Declaration, the establishment of

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State of Israel. You need a study Bible to convince

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all the idiot evangelicals in America to just blindly accept that. So, yes,

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all that's true. Pearl Off has covered that for a

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long time, and everything that Pearloff says about that's act.

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I learned this by the way back when I was

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in evangelical and I was like, holy crap. One last point.

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I'll let you chime back in John in in Ingdolf's book.

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And I'm not saying I agree with everything in this book,

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but I think that he has made some good connections

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that a lot of other people haven't made. And I

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didn't actually know that Campus Crusade had this connection until

473
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he and he sources his claims here. It's not just

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him saying it, but he talks about how one of

475
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the I'm amost read briefly, he says one of the

476
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most influential as well as well financed organizations is the

477
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Military Ministry and their affiliate, the Campus Crusade for Christ.

478
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Military Ministry had an annual budget of five hundred million dollars.

479
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Five hundred million dollars for Campus Crusade. That's crazy. They

480
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had a branch branch offices at all of the US

481
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Army bases as well as all overseas. Bible study programs

482
00:33:54,519 --> 00:33:58,480
globally uh, and they are a mirror. This is this

483
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is wild of Fetula Gulin his Quran study groups. So

484
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:08,639
the Gulin network that everybody was talking about eight months

485
00:34:08,639 --> 00:34:11,280
a year ago, all the alt media was talking about

486
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:15,119
him Ingdahl is arguing that it's the exact same pattern

487
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that you see with the evangelical groups. So then he

488
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goes on to say that this was very important too.

489
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In Desert Storm, and right after Desert Storm, the peak

490
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of the Iraqi insurgency, Petraeus Steel, all of these big

491
00:34:32,079 --> 00:34:36,480
neocon types were openly saying, quote, we must pursue our

492
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means for transforming the nation through the military. The military

493
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may be the most influential way to affect the spiritual

494
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superstructure of America. Thus, the military ministry inside the US

495
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spread this crusader fanaticism that America is, you know, going

496
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to war against the jihad, right, it's the Christian evangelicals.

497
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:01,760
What was Bush's then, where should go find a jihad

498
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and find that jah against the mushrooms, Jehattish and the

499
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mustard gases.

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Speaker 3: Crusade? Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's well to get to give

501
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an empirical example of something backing you up. Is I

502
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:30,239
remember there was a conference in California. There's two, there

503
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was two that I remember, but there was one and

504
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:35,960
it was a guy we'll talk about in a minute,

505
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but is Chuck Smith, Rick Warren, Uh, you know, all

506
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the California pastors around here. And they were meeting with

507
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Republican senators. This is this is around two thousand and six,

508
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somewhere around there. But they were they were meeting with

509
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with you know, like Mike Huckabee and uh, you know,

510
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other neo conservative types at that time. And what I

511
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what I remember reading about it is that it was

512
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literally like a talking points meeting and like, you know,

513
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they were gonna they were discussing, you know, the church's

514
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role in propagating uh you know, military you know, uh,

515
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you know, foreign.

516
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Speaker 1: Policy exactly exactly right. So, in other words, people think

517
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we have a separation of church and state, and they

518
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have no conception of the long time marriage between the

519
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Deep Day, the Pentagon and all of the biggest evangelical movements,

520
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especially wem Hoff shows that it's also Catholicism, and I'm

521
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not denying that there are aspects of Orthodoxy that that

522
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have been infected with this well as well. Hence the

523
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battle over Acumenism and Orthodoxy. Acumen as one hundred percent

524
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:05,599
the Rockefeller CIA funded thing. But anyway, so yeah, so

525
00:37:05,639 --> 00:37:08,679
you've got another good example there of a meeting that

526
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I didn't know about. But I think that that kind

527
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of stuff is more common than we think.

528
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Speaker 3: Very common. That was a nothing meeting, that was just

529
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like a whatever. I mean, that stuff goes on all

530
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the time. The one, the one that I remember the

531
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most is two thousand and seven. I used to have

532
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a I used to have a photo of this, but

533
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I don't anymore. I wish I still did. I've looked

534
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:32,119
for it, but it was that the Crystal Cathedral. I

535
00:37:32,199 --> 00:37:34,360
used to work across the street from the Chrystal Cathedral

536
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and the Orange.

537
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Speaker 1: Oh this is great. Yeah, see I forgot. I totally

538
00:37:37,519 --> 00:37:39,960
forgot about Schuler and the Crystal Cathedral. But yeah, man,

539
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that's another rabbit hole. Tell us about that.

540
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Speaker 3: Yeah, And this one was I drive by one day

541
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and there's a banner out front and it says they're

542
00:37:51,119 --> 00:37:55,880
having a conference there and speaking There was Brent Scoutcraft,

543
00:37:56,119 --> 00:37:58,320
Henry Kissinger, and George H. W.

544
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Speaker 1: Bush at the Crystal Cathedral.

545
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Speaker 3: At the Chrystal Cathedral, they were they were giving they

546
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were speaking. It was a conference and they were having

547
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pastors from the from southern California.

548
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Speaker 1: Could you imagine Henry Kissinger speaking in tongues like if

549
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you got Roberts atle bit bit of it would sounds

550
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:20,559
like a motor boat, like you know, like a trolling

551
00:38:20,639 --> 00:38:34,000
motor yah. Just uh yeah, the.

552
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Speaker 3: Yes, I mean like like you're saying, yeah, these conferences

553
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are going on all the time where these you know

554
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CEFI members. Rick warrens a Council and Formulations member.

555
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Speaker 1: That's a good point. A lot of people forget that.

556
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Speaker 3: Yeah, even though he's no longer the pastor, he was

557
00:38:50,639 --> 00:38:55,079
the you know pastor for a long time of Saddleback

558
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uh Saddleback Church.

559
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Speaker 1: And that's the largest uh non dominational church, isn't it?

560
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Absolutely yeah Vegas. Yeah.

561
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Speaker 3: And that he hosted the Obama McCain debate at the church.

562
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Speaker 1: Oh I did not know that.

563
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Speaker 3: Yeah, in the church. There was actually one of the

564
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McCain Obama debates were hosted by Rick Warren in the

565
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church like it was a church service. Go back and

566
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find the usually happening. Do you have a count Council

567
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on Foreign Relations member.

568
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Speaker 1: With two John's uh glad beer Uh? Do my uh

569
00:39:44,559 --> 00:39:48,679
Barack Obama do my Obama personation. Look what we we

570
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:52,039
gotta we we gotta, we gotta change things, we gotta,

571
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we gotta change things. It's I'm not I'm not a Marxist,

572
00:39:55,519 --> 00:39:57,599
by the way, in that find Obama is a Marxist

573
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when he's like funded by all the big banks. Oh yeah,

574
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but anyway, so okay.

575
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Speaker 3: So we've discussed that many times, about that whole scam.

576
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Speaker 1: But yeah, the the the.

577
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Speaker 3: There is a long standing relationship with evangelicals and military

578
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I'd say, i'd say, you know, since we're just specifically

579
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talking about this brand, but i'd say most churches, you know,

580
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more than Joe's Witnesses, they all play into it as well.

581
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But this this particular it's been going on for a while.

582
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The other thing that we're you know, to connect this with,

583
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you know how Lindsey uh Late Great Planet Earth, the

584
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Coming Apocalypse. The background to all of this is the

585
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Cold War. Okay, so in the background you have the

586
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cultural wallpaper of the Cold War that's scaring everybody. Uh

587
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hal Lindsay's writing in Late Great Planet Earth that the

588
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apocalypse is gonna come about. You got the Dog and

589
00:41:05,599 --> 00:41:09,679
the Magogue stuff. So it's Russia. Russia has nukes, America

590
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:12,440
has nukes. They're gonna nuke each other. It's gonna be

591
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the apocalypse. And then Jesus is gonna come back on

592
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a big new cloud and he's gonna you know, float

593
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:21,480
down on the new cloud and save all the you know,

594
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the one hundred and forty four thousand people who were

595
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:27,400
you know, true to what you know, the Jesus people

596
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basically who got baptized the proper way in at the beach.

597
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So so yeah, I'm being a bit sarcastic about this,

598
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:41,360
but that's literally what what you have playing itself out.

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Speaker 1: This is just oh right with me. Jesus is just

600
00:41:45,679 --> 00:41:48,920
oh right with what's that other one? I'm gone there

601
00:41:49,119 --> 00:41:51,719
to the scout, to the something in the sky.

602
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Speaker 3: Like huh Greenbaum, Yeah, spirit in the sky, Norman Greenbaum.

603
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Speaker 1: These are like the old version, like like Jars of

604
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:04,599
Clay kind of got some radio play, you know, like

605
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a few years ago, you know, back in the nineties,

606
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and then so this is like the older version of

607
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:12,719
Jars of Clay where these kind of aren't these Jesus

608
00:42:13,159 --> 00:42:14,840
or is that did Doobie Brothers? I can't remember who

609
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:18,559
sings that the Jesus is just the whole right with me.

610
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:26,440
Speaker 3: Doobie Brothers sing that song popular with it, although they

611
00:42:26,519 --> 00:42:30,320
were a Christian band because they were called the Doobie Brothers.

612
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Speaker 1: So we've almost got two hundred nerds in here. This

613
00:42:34,559 --> 00:42:37,239
is crazy. I didn't think. I didn't think we would

614
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:40,119
have it this early. I figured it would take a while.

615
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:42,920
But okay, so so I'm getting off track here, I

616
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:46,320
get crazy. So so we've got the CIA, the Pentagon

617
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involved in largely even and if people ask why evangelical, well,

618
00:42:52,199 --> 00:42:55,679
number one, Evangelicalism was a little easier, I would say

619
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to to mimic because anybody can start at evangelical church.

620
00:43:00,079 --> 00:43:02,920
It's a little bit more difficult, not impossible, to infiltrate

621
00:43:03,039 --> 00:43:09,840
older mainline churches like Orthodoxy or Metholicism. It still happens, obviously,

622
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:13,920
the CIA, David Wimhoff, CD Jackson. That's all in Wimhoff's book.

623
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But the thing about evangelicalism is that anybody can start

624
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:21,320
one of those, and so you have no idea who

625
00:43:21,519 --> 00:43:24,320
is starting it unless you know who this guy is

626
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:28,360
and his background and so forth, and you have this

627
00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:32,800
just explosion. I think it's very vital to see that

628
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:35,519
this is also at the time of as you said,

629
00:43:35,519 --> 00:43:39,519
the Cold War and then the sixties Revolution, and most people,

630
00:43:40,119 --> 00:43:43,920
especially from the Bible mindset, the right wing so called mindset,

631
00:43:44,039 --> 00:43:47,639
conservative mindset, if you ask them about the sixties and

632
00:43:47,679 --> 00:43:49,400
that revolution, and even a lot of people in the

633
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:51,440
alt media, a lot of alt right people, I'm so

634
00:43:51,559 --> 00:43:55,800
tired of this dumb argument. They will say the sixties revolution. Oh,

635
00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:59,840
that's the comedies that started that. No, no, no, no, no,

636
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:03,880
it's the CIA, the military and the Pentagon that were

637
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:09,199
behind that, that sixties counter cultural revolution. And by the way,

638
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:14,280
you've covered this, I'm citing Stoner Saunders's book, which is again,

639
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:16,280
yes it's it's kind of watered down, but it's an

640
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:21,280
academic assessment of the cultural wallpaper, as you termed it,

641
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:24,880
of the Cold War and how this was the CIA.

642
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:27,880
I'm not saying that there weren't bad Marxists. I hate

643
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:30,800
the Frankfurt School, I hate those Marxist guys, but they

644
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:33,920
don't have they They were brought here by the OSS

645
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:37,119
and the CIA to alter the culture. They didn't have

646
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:39,320
the power and the means and ability to change the

647
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:42,199
whole world through the through the principles of Charles of

648
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:45,719
Karl Marx. So I'll shut up here after I say this.

649
00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:47,760
This is what I said on Twitter today when people

650
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:51,400
were arguing this. You have to understand what hgu Wells

651
00:44:51,519 --> 00:44:55,079
and what bertrand Russell say and the way HG. Wells

652
00:44:55,159 --> 00:44:58,159
frames it. He says, Look, you idiot Marxists. He says,

653
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:03,800
global capitalism is what will bring the global Marxist technocracy.

654
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:07,360
That's how that's how Wells phrases it. He says too,

655
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:10,199
He says, you idiot communists, what other means and engine

656
00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:16,199
do you think will bring universal monoculture aside from global

657
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:20,920
mono capitalism? Yes, I mean the.

658
00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:27,159
Speaker 3: If you're a cap let me just say this prior

659
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:31,400
to making this statement. If you're a capitalist, you're you're

660
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:34,159
fooling yourself. If you're a communist, you're fooling yourself.

661
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:35,039
Speaker 1: Yeah.

662
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Speaker 3: The capitalism that funded school and funds schools into existence

663
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and employees communist academics to teach the capitalist children. Think

664
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about that one for a second.

665
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:57,000
Speaker 1: Somebody said something really funny. I can't do you remember

666
00:45:57,079 --> 00:46:01,039
when one of the evangelical pastors who was like an

667
00:46:01,039 --> 00:46:03,119
advisor to Bush, when he got busted with like a

668
00:46:03,199 --> 00:46:08,559
male prostitute and Crystal Meth. Do you remember him. Yeah,

669
00:46:08,599 --> 00:46:12,119
he's one of the big Yeah, it.

670
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Speaker 3: Was Ted Uh what's his face? Out of Colorado?

671
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Speaker 7: Yes, somebody somebody said called it Crystal Methodism. Crystal Methodist,

672
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:30,280
Crystal Methodist, mm hmm. Yeah, that's a good church. Actually,

673
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:31,719
that sounds like a New Age church.

674
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Speaker 1: So yeah, I was springing out of Sedona or something, right.

675
00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:45,079
Speaker 3: Worshiping Crystal. Yeah, so you have, yes, of course. I

676
00:46:45,159 --> 00:46:50,199
mean capitalism, communism, that goes hand in hand. It's it's banker.

677
00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:51,639
It's just banker Marxism.

678
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:52,599
Speaker 1: Yeah.

679
00:46:52,639 --> 00:46:57,559
Speaker 3: I mean to someone like you, you're myself, uh, you know, whether.

680
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Speaker 1: You're in hey, hey John, John, people are asking you

681
00:47:00,159 --> 00:47:04,599
could talk a little louder to the mic. Okay, Ted Haggard,

682
00:47:04,679 --> 00:47:04,920
thank you.

683
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Speaker 3: That was it? Yeah, Ted Haggard. Yeah does that sound better? Yeah, okay,

684
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:17,440
the Yeah. To someone like you or myself who studied

685
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:22,960
this stuff, yes, Marxism equals bank banks, that's it. To

686
00:47:23,039 --> 00:47:25,239
somebody who hasn't studied it, who thinks there's some sort

687
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of divide between it at the top, there's not. You know,

688
00:47:30,119 --> 00:47:31,519
I mean, I don't I don't know what to tell

689
00:47:31,559 --> 00:47:37,079
you at this point, how could you have capitalism funding academia.

690
00:47:37,199 --> 00:47:43,840
That's Marxist teaching capitalists kids, you see. And and if

691
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:47,239
you think that you could just you know, somehow, somehow

692
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:52,119
the country got infiltrated by Marxist with nobody knowing about it. Yeah,

693
00:47:52,719 --> 00:47:53,920
it's absolutely ridiculous.

694
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Speaker 1: It was.

695
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:57,079
Speaker 3: It was an intelligence front. Like you said, Francis son

696
00:47:57,159 --> 00:48:01,159
Er Saunder's book, I think she's some sort of intelligence

697
00:48:01,199 --> 00:48:05,800
operative herself, but she definitely it's a whitewash, yeah, yeah,

698
00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:08,719
and it's a it's a great source even though it

699
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:13,719
is a whitewash. And and yeah, it's yeah, the cultural

700
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:17,719
Cold War, it was abstract art, not even really abstract.

701
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:24,280
It's just nihilistic art, profession of nihilism to provide a

702
00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:28,679
source of apathy for the modern American. Once you get

703
00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:35,840
into then this is another thing too, is this type

704
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:39,800
of church with you know, this change in the church

705
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:43,159
was really another thing was brought about was to break

706
00:48:43,239 --> 00:48:45,559
up the old traditional methods on purpose.

707
00:48:45,639 --> 00:48:46,360
Speaker 1: I think, so.

708
00:48:49,639 --> 00:48:52,320
Speaker 3: The old traditional style of going to church, because the

709
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:55,079
old traditional style of church kind of revolved around community

710
00:48:55,159 --> 00:48:59,440
and family. And with the new kind of way of

711
00:48:59,559 --> 00:49:01,679
going to church with the youth it's all it's all

712
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:03,480
kind of youth oriented.

713
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:06,480
Speaker 1: So it's not really Oh, I see what you're saying.

714
00:49:06,519 --> 00:49:08,159
I see you're saying so, and this is kind of

715
00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:11,559
like it mirrors how in the culture, which you've talked

716
00:49:11,599 --> 00:49:13,760
about and I think Alan Watt has talked about this

717
00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:16,079
too and a lot of his podcasts, is that you

718
00:49:16,199 --> 00:49:19,480
have in the culture the interjection of the idea that

719
00:49:19,599 --> 00:49:23,880
there are these different generations, right that so that the

720
00:49:24,119 --> 00:49:27,280
the young that where the you know, beat generation, where

721
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:30,519
the young we don't listen to the old fogy generation.

722
00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:34,360
And it wasn't viewed that way. You know, one hundred

723
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:37,599
years prior, everybody was in the same schoolhouse. You know,

724
00:49:37,639 --> 00:49:39,639
you would have the older kids in the same schoolhouse

725
00:49:39,679 --> 00:49:42,000
with the younger kids, you know, in eighteen ninety or whatever.

726
00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:44,599
But as you get into the twentieth century, you have

727
00:49:44,639 --> 00:49:47,360
a lot of this social experimentation with the idea of

728
00:49:47,519 --> 00:49:51,639
creating Generation X, the boomer you know that, and this

729
00:49:52,159 --> 00:49:54,719
splits up the groups. And I think you're saying that

730
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:59,679
the church mirrors the stupid culture which was designed.

731
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:05,360
Speaker 3: Yes, absolutely, if you're going to a church that's just

732
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:09,159
full of young people, that's not including mom, dad, grandfathers

733
00:50:09,199 --> 00:50:12,360
all that. It's just you know, you and your peers.

734
00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:15,760
You're creating a new culture of that that's kind of

735
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:20,440
that's youth oriented. It's breaking up the old traditional style,

736
00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:25,719
which was more based around community. Here's the thing about megachurches.

737
00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:31,639
Though megachurches aren't community based, mega churches are everybody comes

738
00:50:31,679 --> 00:50:35,000
from miles and miles around. And Chris and I kind

739
00:50:35,039 --> 00:50:37,039
of touched on this. You get lost in the crowd

740
00:50:37,119 --> 00:50:41,199
at the big megachurch. You don't know your pastor, you know,

741
00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:44,719
per se because your pastor's got three four hundred other

742
00:50:44,760 --> 00:50:49,519
people he's got to deal with. There's no personal relationships,

743
00:50:49,519 --> 00:50:53,760
there's no personal accountability. Back in the old days, there

744
00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:56,519
was a Methodist church in the town I just moved from.

745
00:50:56,679 --> 00:51:02,519
In southern California and Pomona Claremont area, there's the remnants

746
00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:08,039
of churches basically on every street corner because churches were

747
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:12,440
neighborhood things, right, and so there was a Methodist church,

748
00:51:12,519 --> 00:51:15,079
and then three miles away from that there's another Methodist

749
00:51:15,159 --> 00:51:19,880
church because it was a neighborhood Methodist church. And then

750
00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:24,639
three miles away there's another entirely different neighborhood. You see

751
00:51:24,760 --> 00:51:28,199
in that neighborhood went to that Methodist church and this

752
00:51:28,239 --> 00:51:30,639
neighborhood went to this Methodist church because it was people

753
00:51:30,719 --> 00:51:34,920
from a close knit, small community. When you go to

754
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:38,920
the megachurch, lost in the crowd, it's like going to

755
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:42,400
a rock concert, which, interestingly enough, when you know the

756
00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:45,400
first one of the first megachurches, Calvery Chapel and the

757
00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:48,320
coast of Mesa. One of the things that attracted the

758
00:51:48,360 --> 00:51:53,960
people was the Jesus People rock music and they specifically

759
00:51:55,519 --> 00:51:58,760
starting with a band called a Love Song. That was

760
00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:01,280
the name of the group, Love Song. They were performing

761
00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:05,519
live weekly at the Calvary Chapel there and and getting

762
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:09,199
people to come in there with the rock music and

763
00:52:11,639 --> 00:52:14,360
you know, not once again doing away with the old

764
00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:18,400
traditional hymns and all that type of stuff.

765
00:52:18,920 --> 00:52:21,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's so bad that actually there are Novasorto

766
00:52:21,960 --> 00:52:25,960
Catholic churches and I think Germany that have raves. Did

767
00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:26,320
you know that.

768
00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:29,360
Speaker 3: I wouldn't.

769
00:52:31,039 --> 00:52:33,000
Speaker 1: How do we appeal, how do we appeal to the youth?

770
00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:40,159
Have a damn rave? Bring DJ Tiesto and DJ Kioki

771
00:52:40,360 --> 00:52:42,880
and let's have a rave and we'll get the kids,

772
00:52:43,039 --> 00:52:47,559
uh to come to the night. Novasorto Church and then

773
00:52:48,719 --> 00:52:50,440
I was gonna say, I was gonna sayn't really dirty,

774
00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:51,760
but I'll listen.

775
00:52:55,199 --> 00:52:59,880
Speaker 3: I would I wouldn't be surprised considering, you know, the

776
00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:03,159
the four or five years that I lived out there

777
00:53:03,199 --> 00:53:07,800
in Pomona Claremont area of California, my wife and I

778
00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:11,840
we try to just you know, find a church basically just.

779
00:53:15,119 --> 00:53:15,840
Speaker 1: And I would go.

780
00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:17,519
Speaker 3: I would go with her to try, you know, to

781
00:53:18,199 --> 00:53:21,360
just check it out. I was always interested in that

782
00:53:21,519 --> 00:53:25,599
aspect of it. And uh so we'd go to a

783
00:53:25,719 --> 00:53:31,079
Catholic Catholic churches, and the the amount of Charismatic Catholic

784
00:53:31,199 --> 00:53:37,280
churches exceeds the amount of regular Catholic churches, which you know, yeah,

785
00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:41,599
this is a very bizarre thing that we'll finish this

786
00:53:41,679 --> 00:53:45,920
real quick because I'm not Catholic. I never I never

787
00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:49,079
really went to Catholic church till I met my wife,

788
00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:56,119
and we were blown away with you go into a

789
00:53:56,199 --> 00:53:59,559
Catholic church and it's basically like going into an evangelical church.

790
00:54:00,320 --> 00:54:04,880
And we didn't even really know that existed because my

791
00:54:05,039 --> 00:54:06,599
wife never went to a church like that.

792
00:54:06,719 --> 00:54:08,559
Speaker 1: And then we're like, what is this.

793
00:54:08,920 --> 00:54:14,320
Speaker 3: There's like it's like rock music and you know, the

794
00:54:14,440 --> 00:54:18,000
services is not like a Catholic service. I mean, they

795
00:54:18,079 --> 00:54:21,320
take communion and they you know, do the little Catholic

796
00:54:21,400 --> 00:54:24,960
prayers that the Catholics do or whatever, but the rest

797
00:54:25,039 --> 00:54:28,519
of it is totally formatted like a like you're at.

798
00:54:28,519 --> 00:54:34,760
Speaker 1: You know, the vineyard exactly. Yeah. So yeah, well that's yeah,

799
00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:38,639
Fruits of Vatican two there as most traditional Catholics will

800
00:54:38,760 --> 00:54:41,679
will bitch about. But so let's bring it back to

801
00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:47,639
to the end times and to prophecy. And so so

802
00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:50,199
we've got the Cold War, we've got the cults, we've

803
00:54:50,239 --> 00:54:54,360
got the CIA, the Pentagon putting money into these different

804
00:54:54,920 --> 00:54:59,599
evangelical groups, and let's not forget I know you know this, John,

805
00:54:59,719 --> 00:55:02,320
and feel free to comment any input you have on it.

806
00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:04,519
But we might have a lot of listeners and watchers

807
00:55:04,559 --> 00:55:10,800
who don't know that a classic front for intelligence is

808
00:55:11,039 --> 00:55:15,719
being a missionary. So missionaries and foreign lands. This is

809
00:55:16,039 --> 00:55:20,800
old school CIA fronts. Intelligence agencies using this as a front,

810
00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:25,880
USA red Cross, these are classic CIA front So don't

811
00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:28,320
believe the stories that you see. Now. I'm not saying

812
00:55:28,360 --> 00:55:30,400
every missionary is a CIA agent. That's not true, but

813
00:55:30,440 --> 00:55:34,320
I'm saying it can easily be a front that's used

814
00:55:34,320 --> 00:55:35,960
for that kind of stuff, and it has many times

815
00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:39,559
over there's plenty of books and documentation on that, but

816
00:55:39,679 --> 00:55:42,559
we have to also include that puzzle piece because that's

817
00:55:42,559 --> 00:55:47,239
a big part of understanding the Washington's foreign policy and

818
00:55:47,360 --> 00:55:52,320
how it likes to spread, especially Protestant Christianity as well

819
00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:56,119
as wim Hoff shows from Catholicism because it's it was

820
00:55:56,679 --> 00:55:59,639
part of that world Cold War dialectic, because how do

821
00:55:59,679 --> 00:56:03,079
you the Soviets, Well, you have a damn Baptist church

822
00:56:03,519 --> 00:56:06,199
in your in your city.

823
00:56:06,280 --> 00:56:09,039
Speaker 3: That's how well you know, I mean, you can take

824
00:56:09,079 --> 00:56:12,119
it back even further if you wanted to just found

825
00:56:12,679 --> 00:56:16,320
established foundation that you know, the Jesuits were always good

826
00:56:16,559 --> 00:56:19,719
at paving the way for commerce.

827
00:56:20,679 --> 00:56:21,360
Speaker 1: That's a good point.

828
00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:24,719
Speaker 3: So you know, they go into a country. Let's just

829
00:56:24,800 --> 00:56:30,119
say one thing I would be a quasi expert on

830
00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:35,960
is California. California is founded by Jesuits, hm. And they

831
00:56:36,079 --> 00:56:39,480
basically paved the way for opening up of the of

832
00:56:39,599 --> 00:56:42,360
the West and the railroads and all that type of

833
00:56:42,360 --> 00:56:47,559
stuff by you know, helping to uh civilize the Indians

834
00:56:47,599 --> 00:56:50,440
out there, so you know, so on and so forth.

835
00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:59,119
Commerce usually follows were uh, you know, not only you know,

836
00:56:59,199 --> 00:57:02,840
Catholicism earlier time periods, but then in later time periods

837
00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:08,840
like now, you know, evangelicism is kind of the you know,

838
00:57:10,199 --> 00:57:13,559
this is easy to discuss with someone like yourself. Evangelicism

839
00:57:13,719 --> 00:57:17,840
is the perfect postmodern Christianity. So it can it can

840
00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:21,760
yea even to any area adapt itself pretty easily.

841
00:57:22,239 --> 00:57:23,000
Speaker 1: That's a great point.

842
00:57:23,159 --> 00:57:26,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, so it paves the way for commerce, and then

843
00:57:26,760 --> 00:57:28,599
it paves the way for the rest of the culture,

844
00:57:29,000 --> 00:57:33,079
which you know, a lot of Christians don't actually you know,

845
00:57:33,159 --> 00:57:36,400
they wouldn't actually think themselves to be quote, to use

846
00:57:36,480 --> 00:57:39,559
a phraseology that Christians like to use, to be of

847
00:57:39,760 --> 00:57:47,079
this world. But but yet they're they're really, they really

848
00:57:47,119 --> 00:57:49,719
are part of the culture. You know, they really do

849
00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:52,320
accept a lot of the stuff that like someone like

850
00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:55,239
myself wouldn't you know, I wouldn't involve I wouldn't let

851
00:57:55,280 --> 00:57:58,559
my kids watch television or you know that type of stuff.

852
00:57:58,599 --> 00:58:03,280
But but you know, a lot of Christians the type

853
00:58:03,320 --> 00:58:07,239
of culture that gets proliferated into the well here's a

854
00:58:07,280 --> 00:58:07,960
perfect example.

855
00:58:08,760 --> 00:58:09,039
Speaker 1: They have.

856
00:58:14,920 --> 00:58:17,360
Speaker 3: Muslim evangelist.

857
00:58:17,480 --> 00:58:22,400
Speaker 1: Now, they have Muslim evangelists. You said, you cut out there,

858
00:58:22,480 --> 00:58:23,000
say that again.

859
00:58:23,679 --> 00:58:25,280
Speaker 3: They have televangelist Muslims.

860
00:58:25,320 --> 00:58:29,519
Speaker 1: Now I have heard this, I haven't seen it, but this, also,

861
00:58:29,679 --> 00:58:31,800
by the way, is something Ingdahl mentions in his book

862
00:58:31,960 --> 00:58:36,199
that the success of Billy Graham was so beyond the

863
00:58:36,320 --> 00:58:41,880
expectations of what the CIA had in mind that they realized,

864
00:58:42,079 --> 00:58:45,039
all we've got to do is find the Billy Graham

865
00:58:45,079 --> 00:58:47,159
for the Muslim world. So that's what they were trying

866
00:58:47,199 --> 00:58:49,599
to do with a lot of these different characters. The

867
00:58:49,679 --> 00:58:52,119
Goulin guy is probably some kind of but he's not,

868
00:58:52,199 --> 00:58:54,199
I don't guess, a very dynamic speaker. I don't know,

869
00:58:54,280 --> 00:58:57,480
but there's other kinds of people that they tried to interview.

870
00:58:57,519 --> 00:59:00,159
Miles Copeland and his book actually says the same thing.

871
00:59:00,239 --> 00:59:04,880
He says that they hoped Nasser Gamal abdel Nasser would

872
00:59:04,920 --> 00:59:09,920
be a an Islamic Billy Graham. So so I'm not

873
00:59:10,039 --> 00:59:13,360
surprised that we're starting to see this now because I

874
00:59:13,480 --> 00:59:16,840
think that that does fit into the plan dialectic that

875
00:59:16,960 --> 00:59:21,400
they want to kind of Islamicize the West, not because

876
00:59:21,440 --> 00:59:23,800
they like Islam, but I see it as a long

877
00:59:23,920 --> 00:59:26,880
term business plan. The globalist I'm.

878
00:59:26,760 --> 00:59:33,360
Speaker 3: Saying, yeah, yeah, And you know, an another thing I

879
00:59:33,400 --> 00:59:37,239
brought up on the call with Tim and Chris, was that.

880
00:59:39,800 --> 00:59:40,079
Speaker 5: In the.

881
00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:48,480
Speaker 3: In Nicaragua during the Samosa Sandonista period, there was a

882
00:59:48,599 --> 00:59:50,519
guy who is like one of the leaders of the

883
00:59:50,599 --> 00:59:55,280
campus Crusades in Nicaragua and the San deniss caught him

884
00:59:55,360 --> 00:59:58,639
or something because he was carrying large sums of undeclared money.

885
01:00:00,079 --> 01:00:03,079
Speaker 1: They were you know, was it hidden under Gideon Bibles?

886
01:00:05,599 --> 01:00:09,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was. And basically with this article that I

887
01:00:10,400 --> 01:00:13,840
was reading in it was a cover action bulletin.

888
01:00:13,960 --> 01:00:14,559
Speaker 1: It was like a.

889
01:00:16,280 --> 01:00:20,480
Speaker 3: Liberal type magazine from the It was basically saying that,

890
01:00:20,960 --> 01:00:25,199
you know, these Sandinistas had uncovered that the campus Crusades

891
01:00:25,280 --> 01:00:29,360
was the CIA front funneling money in too, you know,

892
01:00:29,440 --> 01:00:32,440
do that even though I would say that the Sandinistas

893
01:00:32,480 --> 01:00:35,480
themselves are a CIA front. So it was, you know,

894
01:00:35,599 --> 01:00:41,760
more dialectic type stuff. But what you have this is

895
01:00:41,800 --> 01:00:45,280
another thing that you have kind of popping up in

896
01:00:45,400 --> 01:00:50,320
the seventies and eighties as time progresses, and that the

897
01:00:50,679 --> 01:00:54,519
former Jesus people or whoever you know, people being sucked

898
01:00:54,559 --> 01:00:58,119
into this new type of evangelicism. Is this idea of

899
01:00:58,960 --> 01:01:03,599
that Christianity is going to fight communism.

900
01:01:04,280 --> 01:01:05,039
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. Okay.

901
01:01:05,400 --> 01:01:08,119
Speaker 3: So it's not only that we have to be scared

902
01:01:08,320 --> 01:01:11,760
of the Cold War, and we have to be scared

903
01:01:11,880 --> 01:01:19,360
of the nuclear apocalypse. But it's also pitying Christianity against

904
01:01:19,679 --> 01:01:27,440
Communism directly because Communism is Satanism Christian and Christian and

905
01:01:27,519 --> 01:01:33,920
America is Christian. So Jesus equals America city on a

906
01:01:34,039 --> 01:01:41,119
hill and Russia equals Satan, right and that, and so

907
01:01:41,480 --> 01:01:45,480
you know. And then as we move down through the

908
01:01:45,519 --> 01:01:48,519
time period and you get to be guys like me

909
01:01:48,599 --> 01:01:51,039
and you, then you see this all played out in

910
01:01:51,119 --> 01:01:51,679
the plot.

911
01:01:51,519 --> 01:01:56,199
Speaker 1: To Rocky four, and and in w W F w

912
01:01:56,400 --> 01:02:02,039
W remember Ivan and and Hoko against mixed what's his name?

913
01:02:04,519 --> 01:02:05,440
I there's a.

914
01:02:07,039 --> 01:02:07,960
Speaker 3: Boris Sukov.

915
01:02:08,440 --> 01:02:13,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, Nikolai Volkov, Nikolai Volkov. And then yeah, and he's

916
01:02:13,760 --> 01:02:14,920
wrestling hul Kogan.

917
01:02:17,079 --> 01:02:21,960
Speaker 3: Interestingly enough, when the Berlin Wall fell, Nikolai Volkov, if

918
01:02:22,000 --> 01:02:27,480
you remember, he turned on Boris Sukov and he he

919
01:02:27,760 --> 01:02:33,280
joined America and he went rogue against against the evil Comy.

920
01:02:35,079 --> 01:02:36,880
Speaker 1: Let me say this is another point I want to

921
01:02:36,920 --> 01:02:41,079
make here. Yes, everybody, I've probably had twenty people in

922
01:02:41,159 --> 01:02:46,400
the last few months send me the Yuri Besmanov lecture. Now, yes,

923
01:02:46,599 --> 01:02:50,079
I have seen the Uri Besmanov lecture. It's been online

924
01:02:50,119 --> 01:02:53,960
going around for at least a decade or more. I'm

925
01:02:54,039 --> 01:02:57,280
not saying that the points that Yuri Besmanov makes are false.

926
01:02:57,519 --> 01:03:00,880
So yes, there are like the frank for School guys

927
01:03:00,960 --> 01:03:04,039
who would try to argue that if we can degrade

928
01:03:04,119 --> 01:03:06,960
the culture and make them relatives and so forth. But again,

929
01:03:07,480 --> 01:03:09,679
the real story of the Frankfurt School guys is that

930
01:03:09,840 --> 01:03:12,920
they were propped up by the CIA, And so even

931
01:03:12,960 --> 01:03:15,000
the alt right people who get mad and bitch about

932
01:03:15,039 --> 01:03:17,559
the Frankfurt School people, they don't talk about the OSS

933
01:03:17,639 --> 01:03:20,920
and the CIA being who gave them the money to

934
01:03:21,039 --> 01:03:23,440
do what they were doing there. Who who do you

935
01:03:23,519 --> 01:03:26,239
think brought the Eastern Bloc people over? It was the

936
01:03:26,280 --> 01:03:33,400
O S. S c A. The Ur Bezonoff. One last point, John,

937
01:03:33,440 --> 01:03:35,679
one last point. The reason I bring up the URI

938
01:03:35,760 --> 01:03:40,519
talk and this is something that Mark Hackard has. Disagree

939
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or agree with Mark Hackard or not, but he has

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some really good articles that he translated about defectors. And

941
01:03:46,719 --> 01:03:50,440
the important thing about defectors is that to whatever degree

942
01:03:50,440 --> 01:03:52,480
it's real or fake or stage, we don't even know

943
01:03:52,639 --> 01:03:54,000
the real story of these people. It could just be

944
01:03:54,039 --> 01:03:57,719
made up. Let's say that that Yury Besmanov truly defected

945
01:03:57,840 --> 01:04:03,079
or whatever. If even if that's true, whatever comes out

946
01:04:03,280 --> 01:04:06,920
of Uri Besmanov is gonna be what the c i

947
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A Wants out. So defectors are great disinformation agents. They're

948
01:04:13,480 --> 01:04:18,599
great ways to prop up grandiose tales of of the

949
01:04:18,679 --> 01:04:20,559
Marxist Cold War takeover.

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Speaker 6: Uh.

951
01:04:21,719 --> 01:04:24,239
Speaker 1: And I think that that that's crucial to understand that

952
01:04:24,440 --> 01:04:26,639
and and a lot of these you know, anti Marxists

953
01:04:26,679 --> 01:04:29,519
and these people that are online. I'm not a Marxist

954
01:04:29,599 --> 01:04:32,079
by the way, so don't even try to make that argument.

955
01:04:33,559 --> 01:04:35,400
But but that, but you can't trust defectors is what

956
01:04:35,400 --> 01:04:37,000
I'm trying to say. It's it just fits into the

957
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propaganda machine.

958
01:04:39,960 --> 01:04:46,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, the Uri bezman Off stuff never never ring true.

959
01:04:46,679 --> 01:04:48,719
Speaker 1: To me, just because could you speak up a little bit, John,

960
01:04:48,719 --> 01:04:50,039
People are saying they're having a hard time here.

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Speaker 3: I said it never, it never. It never rang true

962
01:04:53,239 --> 01:04:57,800
to me because it was He's basically saying all the

963
01:04:57,920 --> 01:05:02,239
things that the you know, the culture in America was

964
01:05:02,719 --> 01:05:05,920
pushing on its own people. So why would you why

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01:05:05,960 --> 01:05:07,679
would you need the Russians to do that?

966
01:05:08,119 --> 01:05:12,400
Speaker 1: Exactly? This is what's so crucial that Yeah, well stated day,

967
01:05:12,440 --> 01:05:14,639
I rambled there for like ten minutes trying to say

968
01:05:14,679 --> 01:05:17,000
what John said in like twenty seconds.

969
01:05:17,760 --> 01:05:22,320
Speaker 8: Yeah, so I'm not Another one is Anatotly golitz was

970
01:05:22,360 --> 01:05:25,599
about to say the fall the Wall and Anatoly Glitzen. Hey,

971
01:05:26,199 --> 01:05:28,719
maybe Anatoly Glitzen knows about the fall of the Wall

972
01:05:28,719 --> 01:05:31,039
ahead of time because the CIA is who told him,

973
01:05:32,239 --> 01:05:35,639
not because he knew about the Sino Soviet split secrets

974
01:05:35,719 --> 01:05:36,079
or whatever.

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01:05:36,960 --> 01:05:37,159
Speaker 1: Yeah.

976
01:05:38,079 --> 01:05:42,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's and you know, basically to a certain extent

977
01:05:43,000 --> 01:05:44,719
at the at the top, I don't think there's any

978
01:05:44,760 --> 01:05:49,639
difference between Cold War KGB and Cold War CIA. So

979
01:05:49,800 --> 01:05:53,679
they're both working for the you know, same pay masters

980
01:05:56,000 --> 01:06:04,800
and and uh this, but but see those type of things,

981
01:06:04,880 --> 01:06:07,519
whether it's you know, KGB or CIA, whatever it is,

982
01:06:08,239 --> 01:06:12,840
they were crucial to the time period because it, you know,

983
01:06:13,039 --> 01:06:16,199
it fueled the this, you know, the scary culture. You know,

984
01:06:16,360 --> 01:06:19,000
a great you know, a great television show. I don't

985
01:06:19,000 --> 01:06:22,000
really watch a lot of TV, but a really interesting

986
01:06:22,079 --> 01:06:27,960
show to kind of show what kind of psychology was

987
01:06:28,039 --> 01:06:31,760
being used on people at the time, is the Americans

988
01:06:32,480 --> 01:06:33,599
exactly exactly?

989
01:06:33,719 --> 01:06:35,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you know, And the c i A. The

990
01:06:35,880 --> 01:06:38,000
c i A approves those scripts by the way.

991
01:06:38,000 --> 01:06:42,519
Speaker 3: So sure, absolutely, but but yeah, it's it's interesting to

992
01:06:43,119 --> 01:06:44,920
go back and kind of look at some of those things.

993
01:06:47,119 --> 01:06:49,960
Speaker 1: I want to say real quick in the chat, we're

994
01:06:50,000 --> 01:06:53,039
not here to debate nukes. So the reason that some

995
01:06:53,159 --> 01:06:57,639
of these people are being if you spam in here,

996
01:06:58,400 --> 01:07:00,519
I have this spam filter turned on and it will

997
01:07:01,119 --> 01:07:03,480
block the people that spam. So we're here to talk

998
01:07:03,480 --> 01:07:07,119
about the end times. It's not a debate on nuke's.

999
01:07:09,000 --> 01:07:14,159
So anyway, sorry, John, GoAhead, you go ahead.

1000
01:07:14,199 --> 01:07:15,440
Speaker 3: There's a helicopter lending.

1001
01:07:15,559 --> 01:07:20,920
Speaker 1: Okay, So if I think about the maybe let's talk

1002
01:07:20,960 --> 01:07:23,480
a little bit about some of the biblical type end

1003
01:07:23,559 --> 01:07:29,199
time stuff. So being raised in a Protestant Evangelical church

1004
01:07:29,400 --> 01:07:31,320
and then starting to read the Bible when I was

1005
01:07:31,360 --> 01:07:34,800
seventeen eighteen, really getting into it. Of course, everybody finds

1006
01:07:34,880 --> 01:07:37,000
the Book of Revelations fascinating. So you go and you

1007
01:07:37,119 --> 01:07:39,280
read about the angels and the bold judgments and the

1008
01:07:39,320 --> 01:07:43,920
sealed judgments, and it all sounds very, very wild, right,

1009
01:07:44,880 --> 01:07:48,519
And if you're a Protestant Evangelical, then you know that

1010
01:07:49,239 --> 01:07:52,639
you already kind of have just this assumption that this

1011
01:07:52,920 --> 01:07:56,480
is all about some sort of sequence of events at

1012
01:07:56,480 --> 01:07:59,840
the end of the world. Now, I never had that

1013
01:08:00,360 --> 01:08:04,360
that view challenged. I never questioned it until I spent

1014
01:08:04,400 --> 01:08:07,599
a lot of time in theology and did do a

1015
01:08:07,679 --> 01:08:11,639
period of seminary work and really got into comparative religion

1016
01:08:11,639 --> 01:08:14,199
and all this kind of stuff. And as everybody knows,

1017
01:08:14,280 --> 01:08:16,720
I'm not a textual liberal. So this is not coming

1018
01:08:16,760 --> 01:08:19,520
from Evan at this point of trying to, from my

1019
01:08:19,680 --> 01:08:23,560
view say that the Bible doesn't have any divine inspiration

1020
01:08:23,840 --> 01:08:27,960
or veracity or anything like that. But it's very simple

1021
01:08:28,119 --> 01:08:31,920
actually to kind of show that even and this is

1022
01:08:31,960 --> 01:08:33,880
I would say, even if you don't believe the Bible,

1023
01:08:34,520 --> 01:08:40,239
I think it's still demonstrably true that these verses most

1024
01:08:40,319 --> 01:08:45,000
of the time are referring to events contemporary with the Apostles.

1025
01:08:45,359 --> 01:08:47,239
So I'm just going to run through this really quick.

1026
01:08:48,039 --> 01:08:50,520
The easiest way to understand this is to read Luke

1027
01:08:50,600 --> 01:08:54,840
twenty one, and that's because Jesus says very clearly in

1028
01:08:54,920 --> 01:08:59,920
verse twenty two that all of he says, these are

1029
01:08:59,920 --> 01:09:02,439
the days of vengeance, in which all things written in

1030
01:09:02,479 --> 01:09:05,760
the prophets must be fulfilled. And if you read the

1031
01:09:05,920 --> 01:09:10,199
entire chapter, he's talking about that generation, the Jews and

1032
01:09:10,239 --> 01:09:12,199
the people that are right there in front of him

1033
01:09:12,279 --> 01:09:15,640
and his apostles and disciples. And that's why he says

1034
01:09:16,119 --> 01:09:20,640
very clearly, he says, you will see Jerusalem surrounded by

1035
01:09:20,800 --> 01:09:25,279
enemies right know then that its desolation is near. Now,

1036
01:09:25,880 --> 01:09:27,920
whether you believe it's inspired, I believe it's inspired. But

1037
01:09:27,960 --> 01:09:31,800
whether you do or not, about forty years later that happened.

1038
01:09:33,600 --> 01:09:37,039
So that I think is so obvious and so clear.

1039
01:09:38,199 --> 01:09:40,439
And I'm not saying that there's nothing mysterious about the

1040
01:09:40,439 --> 01:09:43,239
Book of Revelation or whatever. But if you look at

1041
01:09:43,279 --> 01:09:46,600
the pattern of the Book of Revelation, the way it's structured,

1042
01:09:46,680 --> 01:09:49,800
with its judgments and what it talks about, it matches

1043
01:09:49,920 --> 01:09:53,680
the pattern of Matthew twenty four, which is Luke twenty one, right.

1044
01:09:53,760 --> 01:09:55,640
This is the all of that discourse in both of

1045
01:09:55,680 --> 01:09:58,720
those gospels. So I think it's very clear that the

1046
01:09:58,800 --> 01:10:02,000
Book of Revelation ecalypse is talking about the same stuff

1047
01:10:02,760 --> 01:10:06,439
that Jesus is talking about in that famous discourse. Therefore,

1048
01:10:09,159 --> 01:10:12,239
the easiest way to approach, the clearest, I think simplest

1049
01:10:12,239 --> 01:10:15,199
way to approach these texts, whether you believe they're in

1050
01:10:15,239 --> 01:10:19,239
spite or not, is to understand the historical context and

1051
01:10:19,279 --> 01:10:23,760
the historical context does have to do with apocalypticism of

1052
01:10:23,840 --> 01:10:26,560
that time period. I'm not saying, by the way that

1053
01:10:26,880 --> 01:10:32,079
that there's nothing future fulfillment for us as Orthodox or

1054
01:10:32,159 --> 01:10:36,159
for Roman Catholics. Uh, there are the last things. There is,

1055
01:10:36,880 --> 01:10:38,800
you know, some events of the last times, like the

1056
01:10:39,600 --> 01:10:42,520
final judgment, the resurrection of the body, these kinds of things.

1057
01:10:42,920 --> 01:10:46,399
But we don't have this elaborate scheme that's all kind

1058
01:10:46,399 --> 01:10:50,960
of drawn up, like don't nigy, here's my Bible prophecy church,

1059
01:10:51,359 --> 01:10:53,439
the blood moons will cover Israel.

1060
01:10:53,800 --> 01:10:54,520
Speaker 4: The blood.

1061
01:10:55,920 --> 01:10:59,760
Speaker 1: I was trying to think of the blood moon paj

1062
01:11:00,359 --> 01:11:02,479
When I eat the blood moon piles, you'll know the

1063
01:11:02,680 --> 01:11:06,680
end is near. That is literally how dumb John Hagy

1064
01:11:06,760 --> 01:11:10,000
shit is. But anyway, so we don't have charts, we

1065
01:11:10,039 --> 01:11:13,840
don't have these like elaborate schemes because we don't know

1066
01:11:13,960 --> 01:11:18,720
that it's not told to us. So when we get

1067
01:11:18,800 --> 01:11:22,039
towards the end, I'll give if I get this question

1068
01:11:22,159 --> 01:11:24,279
a lot. I've not yet got to a point where

1069
01:11:24,279 --> 01:11:26,640
I have the time to really, from my perspective, write

1070
01:11:26,640 --> 01:11:28,520
an article. I do have an old article about the

1071
01:11:28,560 --> 01:11:30,920
Temple and Josephus that people could read if they want

1072
01:11:31,000 --> 01:11:34,439
Matthew twenty four and Josephus compared, and you can find

1073
01:11:34,439 --> 01:11:38,279
that in the archives. But also I'll list a couple

1074
01:11:38,319 --> 01:11:40,199
of short books that people could read if they want

1075
01:11:40,239 --> 01:11:41,920
to go down that route, because I do get a

1076
01:11:41,960 --> 01:11:43,880
lot of messages about what do you think about the

1077
01:11:43,960 --> 01:11:45,079
end times? What do you think about this? What do

1078
01:11:45,119 --> 01:11:46,880
you think of that? And I will say too that

1079
01:11:47,119 --> 01:11:50,239
again the Orthodox Study Bible notes they get it perfectly right.

1080
01:11:50,359 --> 01:11:52,319
It's the first time there's ever been a study Bible

1081
01:11:52,840 --> 01:11:57,239
that actually understands that these texts are talking about seventy eight.

1082
01:11:57,800 --> 01:12:01,159
Now there are aspects that do refer to future realities.

1083
01:12:01,319 --> 01:12:04,319
But if you read my Daniel article, if you look

1084
01:12:04,399 --> 01:12:05,960
at what the Order Dark Study Bible says and the

1085
01:12:06,039 --> 01:12:09,560
Daniel notes, if you look at Daniel, it's talking about

1086
01:12:09,600 --> 01:12:12,159
the same thing Jesus is talking about, and it's talking

1087
01:12:12,159 --> 01:12:15,880
about what happened in the first century, and it removes

1088
01:12:15,960 --> 01:12:19,920
a lot of this nonsense, which is a perfect tool

1089
01:12:20,119 --> 01:12:23,399
for the State, for the Pentagon, for the CIA, for

1090
01:12:23,520 --> 01:12:27,960
social engineers to concoct nonsense to fool a bunch of dummies.

1091
01:12:28,720 --> 01:12:33,439
And they do the same thing with Muslims. Evangelicals are

1092
01:12:33,680 --> 01:12:39,800
used the exact same way Muslims are. John your comments, Yes,

1093
01:12:42,439 --> 01:12:44,279
we're up to two thirty. We're up to two thirty.

1094
01:12:44,359 --> 01:12:47,520
Let's see if we can. We're doing good, so go John.

1095
01:12:48,680 --> 01:12:53,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, well you're thinking of the Bible verses and all that.

1096
01:12:53,680 --> 01:12:58,239
Like I said, I'm not an organized religion person.

1097
01:12:58,640 --> 01:13:01,359
Speaker 1: That's cool, but I mean, you know, give your perspective

1098
01:13:02,520 --> 01:13:05,760
on on the times and you being being manipulated through

1099
01:13:05,800 --> 01:13:06,119
the fear.

1100
01:13:07,000 --> 01:13:11,680
Speaker 3: Sure well, I mean an interesting thing, just a note

1101
01:13:11,720 --> 01:13:21,199
about apocalypse. Calypso kept Odessus on an island, detained, and

1102
01:13:22,279 --> 01:13:28,600
Calypso means to cover, So she's the goddess who keeps

1103
01:13:28,840 --> 01:13:32,079
you know, Odessas on the island, detaining him on an island.

1104
01:13:32,079 --> 01:13:35,439
It's interesting that the story of John the relater is

1105
01:13:35,520 --> 01:13:37,760
on an island being detained and he's talking about the

1106
01:13:37,880 --> 01:13:44,720
a apocalypse, the callipse, the uncovering, so interesting correlation. There.

1107
01:13:45,880 --> 01:13:48,319
Speaker 1: Are you doing a little bit of jord and Maxwell

1108
01:13:48,479 --> 01:13:49,199
for us? John?

1109
01:13:49,760 --> 01:13:52,640
Speaker 3: That's that's that's all John Adams research.

1110
01:13:52,720 --> 01:13:58,760
Speaker 4: They're not, of course, if you understand the The Apocalypse

1111
01:13:58,960 --> 01:14:03,680
is clearly discussing the two doc tiles coming down through

1112
01:14:03,920 --> 01:14:10,079
the hell portal gates into my backyard to initiate the

1113
01:14:10,279 --> 01:14:12,079
end of times as the least.

1114
01:14:13,600 --> 01:14:17,239
Speaker 3: The real Bible is the Yeah, you have to go

1115
01:14:17,359 --> 01:14:22,800
to the Geneva Bible. Jay, that's the thing, Theva, that's

1116
01:14:22,840 --> 01:14:27,199
the Geneva. No, yeah, so uh but yeah, I think

1117
01:14:27,279 --> 01:14:29,680
with with a with a you know, the story of

1118
01:14:29,760 --> 01:14:34,159
the revelations and the and it can it can always

1119
01:14:34,239 --> 01:14:36,960
be used no matter what time period it was. It

1120
01:14:37,119 --> 01:14:39,079
was you know, used in the Civil War, it was

1121
01:14:39,239 --> 01:14:40,359
used in World War One.

1122
01:14:40,760 --> 01:14:41,399
Speaker 1: That's a good point.

1123
01:14:42,880 --> 01:14:44,720
Speaker 3: Uh, Hitler was the beast.

1124
01:14:45,439 --> 01:14:48,039
Speaker 1: You know, there were even in the eighties they were

1125
01:14:48,039 --> 01:14:52,279
saying Reagan was the beast, Obama was the When I

1126
01:14:52,399 --> 01:14:56,119
was a kid, Uh, barcodes that was that was barcodes

1127
01:14:56,319 --> 01:14:57,880
on all products or the market.

1128
01:14:57,680 --> 01:15:01,840
Speaker 3: The beast symbols are you know. I used to have

1129
01:15:01,960 --> 01:15:05,560
a I actually used to have a Christian book that

1130
01:15:05,920 --> 01:15:10,159
had like little cartoon drawings and of of you know,

1131
01:15:10,520 --> 01:15:14,840
like people getting barcodes put on their heads, and that

1132
01:15:14,920 --> 01:15:17,319
you were going to walk around with a UPC symbol

1133
01:15:17,359 --> 01:15:19,319
barcode on your tattooed on your forehead.

1134
01:15:20,560 --> 01:15:24,439
Speaker 1: I've seen like inmates that literally have UPC, so like

1135
01:15:25,239 --> 01:15:26,560
people do that.

1136
01:15:27,239 --> 01:15:29,479
Speaker 3: I remember that in the nineties too, when people will

1137
01:15:29,520 --> 01:15:31,000
get barcodes tattooed on them to.

1138
01:15:31,000 --> 01:15:32,800
Speaker 1: Show that that's right. It was the thing in the nineties.

1139
01:15:32,880 --> 01:15:37,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, anti Christ so you know, which, I'm not an

1140
01:15:37,359 --> 01:15:43,119
atheist by any means of the word, but yeah, people

1141
01:15:43,239 --> 01:15:45,880
definitely go to the extreme to show how much they

1142
01:15:46,079 --> 01:15:49,720
despise religion, which I do not despise religion or religious beliefs.

1143
01:15:50,039 --> 01:15:57,159
But the thing of it is is is the the

1144
01:15:57,279 --> 01:16:05,640
evangelical culture primarily is based around.

1145
01:16:07,960 --> 01:16:08,640
Speaker 1: A rapture.

1146
01:16:09,399 --> 01:16:15,840
Speaker 3: Now there there has been many people who have predicted raptures,

1147
01:16:17,359 --> 01:16:20,840
including Chuck Smith. He predicted that the rapture was going

1148
01:16:20,920 --> 01:16:24,039
to happen in New Year's Day nineteen eighty one, and

1149
01:16:24,239 --> 01:16:25,640
then noting.

1150
01:16:25,840 --> 01:16:28,840
Speaker 1: How Lindsey had an eighty eight nineteen eighty eight prediction.

1151
01:16:29,479 --> 01:16:32,439
Speaker 3: Yep, so they've all had these predictions, and so they've

1152
01:16:32,479 --> 01:16:36,920
had to go back and rewrite the idea of it, saying,

1153
01:16:37,279 --> 01:16:40,279
you know, so before it was going to be a

1154
01:16:40,520 --> 01:16:46,960
pre apocalypse rapture, and then later it was going to

1155
01:16:47,000 --> 01:16:48,279
be a post to put you know, oh, well, we're

1156
01:16:48,319 --> 01:16:50,960
going to have to live through the tribulation because people

1157
01:16:51,039 --> 01:16:53,079
are starting to see, you know, the signs of the

1158
01:16:53,840 --> 01:16:56,439
of the New World Order, whatever you know people want

1159
01:16:56,479 --> 01:16:58,880
to call it, and they're realizing they're going to have

1160
01:16:58,960 --> 01:17:01,880
to actually live through some of these things that they

1161
01:17:02,000 --> 01:17:04,560
believe are going to correlate with the Book of Revelation.

1162
01:17:05,760 --> 01:17:07,560
So they've come to the conclusion that they will actually

1163
01:17:07,640 --> 01:17:11,439
have to live through the tribulation to make it through

1164
01:17:11,520 --> 01:17:12,319
to the rapture.

1165
01:17:14,279 --> 01:17:15,560
Speaker 1: But during the.

1166
01:17:15,600 --> 01:17:21,640
Speaker 3: Nineteen sixties and seventies, everybody was pretty convinced that the

1167
01:17:21,760 --> 01:17:29,520
rapture was going to happen. And interestingly enough, there was movies.

1168
01:17:29,840 --> 01:17:33,880
Speaker 1: Made, yes good point that went along with this.

1169
01:17:33,960 --> 01:17:37,239
Speaker 3: And showed people and it was actually prove in fact,

1170
01:17:37,279 --> 01:17:38,960
there was a movie made of the late Great planet

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Earth that was narrated by Orson Wells.

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Speaker 1: Oh wow, I didn't know that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you could look that up on YouTube. It's awesome.

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I mean that, it's like awesomely bad, right, Yeah, it's

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awesomely it's good bad. Another good bad one is A

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Thief in the Night and you can watch that for

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free on YouTube too, And that's that's the one that

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scared the crap out of me as a kid watching that.

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There's people getting guilatined, there's you know, the rapture comes

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and people are disappearing in their cars on the freeway

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in traffic, set a standstill because people have you know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what, you know what I just watched

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a couple of nights ago, and this probably fits into that.

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Is this like the seventies? Yeah, okay, The Omen, which

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I put on the show banner. That's seventies, and I

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forgot that. There's this really funny part. Anytime Hollywood tries

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to do apocalypse and time stuff, they make up Bible

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quotes every time in a movie. It's it's in tons

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of them, it's in end of Days, it's in uh

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the job, yes, seventh Sign with Demi Moore.

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Speaker 2: The anyway, So I'm watching The Omen and Gregor Gregory

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Peck starts Gregory Peck gives birth to the anti Christ,

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and he starts reading Bible verses.

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Speaker 1: And he makes up this Bible verse this doesn't exist,

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and it's like, Andre show.

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Speaker 2: Your night the entire European continent, and this shall be

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a comet that crosses the sky.

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Speaker 1: That's literally what it says. That I'm sitting here thinking

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that is the that was like, did none of them

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read the Bible at all?

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Speaker 3: No? I think he was actually reading out of the

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Late Great Planet Earth. Oh, I bet he was, you know, yeah,

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you know, if the Late Great Planet Earth is is

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is a great movie because if you read the book

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and you're cracking up at the fact that he's literally

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going through scriptures and he's saying that when you know,

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easy feels talking about the armies. And then hel Lindsay

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goes down to the bottom after the after he quotes

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the scripture from Ezekiel. He said, obviously, you know, he says,

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he says, obviously the scripture is referring to the Russians

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and their nuclear capability. This is and he's literally saying

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in there that Ezekiel, you know, Ezekiel and Daniel are

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talking about, you know, Russians having nukes.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and it's uh. I remember a video back

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when I was an evangelical where hal Lindsay said that

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he was still doing the Russia thing, and he was

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saying that when when John in the Apocalypse talks about

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the plagues, and this is when Russia lets loose the nukes,

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and then when when it talks about the scorpions, which

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in the text are demonic spirits, John seeing the spiritual

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realm uh al Lindsay says those are black Hawks because

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they have metal bodies and they he says they're black Hawk.

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He copters, Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I think what he was actually referring to was when

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when he was talking about Scorpions, is the band the

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Scorpions when they made that song the winds have change

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when the Berlin Wall fell.

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Speaker 1: Okay, well yeah, the wall falling and letting.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, that would be an action of Satan the delute, Yeah,

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the delusion, the delusion of Antoti Gallitzen right in the.

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Speaker 1: The comedies are tricking us by the wall falling. Yeah. Yeah,

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so the you know, we're getting out towards two fifty.

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That's pretty good live.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, cool, awesome, Hello everybody, thank you for tuning in.

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I appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we just jumped up to two forty. So, uh,

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if you're if you're new, if you just clicked into

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the stream where this is jayde Ire from Jay's Analysis.

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We're talking to John Adams of Hoaxbuster's call you. If

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you followed us at all, if you're familiar with then

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I'm sure you've heard us talking together. We've been podcasting

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and interviewing for the last couple of years, and this

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discussion We've gotten into some of the historical characters who

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played a vital role in End Times manipulation, in the

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American deureacracy, the Pentagon, the CIA, these different entities utilizing

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evangelical groups. John, you went through some of the key

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figures like Bill Bright and we talked about the neo

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cons and Ronsfeldt. Do you have any more figures that

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kind of has come to the four like, not necessarily

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how Lendsby, but anybody in that vein that you think

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has a clear connection to to being not what they appear. Sure.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, Paul Kaine, okay, tell us about him.

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Speaker 1: I'm not familiar. Who's Paul Kane.

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Speaker 3: Paul Kin You could look him up on your Wikipedia

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right now. And he was an he was a minister,

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but he was also interestingly enough, he worked for the CIA.

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Oh okay, in the paranormal division of the CIA.

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Speaker 1: So side spies and Stanford research type stuff.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's I cannot find any other information except for

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that currently on mister Kane. But here's the interesting thing

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about Paul Cain working for the CIA in the paranormal division.

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He had a protege, and his protege is a man

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by the name of Charles Smith, who goes by Chuck

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Chuck Smith. Chuck Smith went to start one of the

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biggest megachurches to basically begin, and that would be.

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Speaker 1: Helpel Calvary Chapel. Yeah you cut out there.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Calvary Chapel Ministries. That's Chuck Smith's ministry. He started

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in Coasta Mesa, California in nineteen sixty eight, somewhere around there.

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Speaker 1: I think Dave touches on this and weird scenes inside

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the Canyon a little bit. I don't recall that, but yeah,

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there's the brief mention of Calvary Chapel. And not because

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one of the maybe not Chuck Smith, but one of

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the Laurel Canyon people was instrumental in the early phases

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of the rise of Calvary Chapel. I can find it.

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Go ahead.

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Speaker 3: I'm trying to think who it was. But in any case,

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so Chuck Smith. You know, Chuck Smith has an interesting

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history of himself because he he used to teach at

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a four square church in Santa Anna, the four Square

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Church of the Gospel in Santa Anna, and then all

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of a sudden he decides that he doesn't want to

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be part of that ministry. Anymore because he claimed he

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had a vision from God, and the vision from God

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that he had told him that he would be leading

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thousands of people to God and that was his vision

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that God gave him. And so he decided to leave

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his his gig as a minister of the Four Square

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Gospel Church in Santa Ana and decide to take over

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the Calgary Chapel Ministry. And he was able to turn

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it into basically one of the first mega churches.

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 3: And like I said, his mentor was a CIA operative

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for the paranormal of the CIA. So he ended up

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being on you know, Time magazine, you know when they

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had the Jesus People, a Time Magazine article that they

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interviewed him.

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 3: To watch the Jesus People document If you watch the

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Jesus People documentary from the sixties, it features Chuck Smith

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when he's baptizing people at the beach in Corona Del Mar, California.

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Speaker 1: This is gold information here, people. I hope you appreciate this.

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Speaker 3: Yes, So he was instrumental in the rise of this

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type stuff. I got nothing against people getting baptized at

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the beach. I mean, my parents were baptized by Chuck

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Smith at the Beach in California.

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Speaker 1: Schull chuee shoe real quick though, let me let me

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remind the audience that if you want us to read

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your question that we have I think four or five

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super chats that have come in. I'm not just asking

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for shekels. I don't care how much what amount you put.

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But if you would like us to read the questions

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as we near the end of the discussion, just send

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the super chat because as you know, the chats disappear,

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they're going NonStop. I can't read all these chats while

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01:27:12,680 --> 01:27:15,560
I talk to John. So if you want your super

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chat to appear at the end, which those remain listed.

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If you want us to answer a question about theology

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about some of the people that John's talking about some

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of the books, you might want to hear the name

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so that you could get the book or whatever. Send

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a super chat anywhere from two up to seventy zillion

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bitcoins and we will take them.

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Speaker 3: Go ahead, John, Yes, please donate to Jay or myself.

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We do a lot of research and we put it

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all out there, so it takes a lot, It takes

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a lot of time, and yeah, we're very grateful for

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it as well.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so.

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Speaker 3: This is you know that, Like I'm saying nothing else,

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people getting baptized at the beach. I mean when when

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I was and you know involved, I got baptized in

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the pool in the backyard.

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Speaker 1: You're saying that Chuck Smith brought a bunch of olive

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oil and dumped it on your head in a pool

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and a kiddie pool, and the CIA anointed you to

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be their boy. That's what you're saying.

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Speaker 3: Well, luckily I was not anointed or baptized by Chuck Smith.

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Speaker 1: So that was before you got That was before you

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went to the Benny Hen Show.

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Speaker 3: There's another character there. But anyways, you know, like I said,

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this is a this is another interesting thing, and there's

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a lot of information that kind of correlates. It's kind

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of hard to articulate it and get it all in there.

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But you have to think about this time period too.

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So Coasta Mesa, California, nineteen sixty eight. The landscape around

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this area is very conservative. It's a very conservative landscape.

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This is where some of the biggest military contractors in

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the world were located. Orange County Coqui, colloquially for many

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years was known as the Orange Curtain.

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Speaker 1: And this is where we're going to get Silicon Valley too, right, absolutely, yeah.

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Speaker 3: And so the Orange curt the reason it was known

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as the Orange Curtain is because there was so many

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It was like almost like nine right when conservatives loaded

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in Orange County in the nineteen sixties and seventies. And

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so it's very interesting in the in the beginning of

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this post modern time period that a postmodern kind of

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evangelicism made up of primarily ex hippies and ex drug

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users that are being moved into what would later be

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the religion that would help to bring about Ronald Reagan

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and super militarization just happens to come out of this

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area high conic concentration of military industrial complex and you know,

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John Birch society type stuff. So that to me is

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very interesting that that is, yeah, stuff kind of correlates.

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It's also interesting to note that within a ten to

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fifteen mile radius you have some of the biggest churches

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in the world all right there, So literally across the

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freeway from Calbary Chapel is TBN.

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Speaker 1: Oh wow, I did not know that, okay. And by

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the way, there was documents that were that were out

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a while, but they may not be legit, but I mean,

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come on, it's not hard to believe. But there was

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like FBI dot documents about Paul Crouch having a bunch

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of running a bunch of Hey, Paul Crouch had some

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connection to the mafia, is what this was that came

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out three or four years ago. It was a big

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news story for a little while and it disappeared. I'm

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not saying that that means the FBI was good. I

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mean the CIA and the mafia and these people like

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Paul Crouch, I mean they're they're like all joined at

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the hip. So it's not I'm not trying to defend institutions.

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I'm just saying that's very believable, is what I'm trying

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to say. Yeah, the one, the one.

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Speaker 3: The one interesting story that Jordan Maxwell has is that

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he had a friend who worked at a Belbo Balboa Beach,

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which is the Newport Beach liquor store that used that

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used to deliver liquor to Paul and Jen Crouch's parties.

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So Paul and Jen Crouch would have parties with liquor

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at them. Interesting. Uh. It was also rumored that Paul Crouch,

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I think.

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Speaker 1: She spilled some that purple drank in her hair.

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Speaker 3: Dude's purple stuff.

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Speaker 1: He's got cotton candy hair. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: It's also rumored Paul Crouch was a you know, closet homosexual. Right,

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So yeah, TBN down the street from TBN. Pretty, you're

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down down the freeway from TBN to Saddleback Church. Wow.

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Just a little bit north of those churches is the

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Crystal Cathedral with Robe. Just a little bit here over

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across the way near Disneyland is the Vineyard.

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Speaker 1: Holy like Petriot Dish.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, literally across the street. Directly across the street from Disneyland.

1401
01:32:50,760 --> 01:32:52,760
There used to be a church that was very popular

1402
01:32:52,840 --> 01:32:55,199
in the seventies and eighties. It was called melody Land,

1403
01:32:56,800 --> 01:33:03,640
and that was a steampull of kind of you know,

1404
01:33:03,880 --> 01:33:08,239
kind of hippie kind or not more you know Jesus

1405
01:33:08,319 --> 01:33:12,359
people kind of evangelical stuff comes out of melody Land.

1406
01:33:12,399 --> 01:33:14,239
And then you know, when you get up into Los Angeles,

1407
01:33:14,479 --> 01:33:16,920
like I said before, you get all those other types

1408
01:33:16,960 --> 01:33:25,199
of churches, the ones slipping but slipping my mind. But

1409
01:33:25,279 --> 01:33:28,680
the campus crusades from for Christ comes from u c

1410
01:33:28,880 --> 01:33:31,760
l A. That's where Bill Bright started the campus Crusades

1411
01:33:32,960 --> 01:33:36,279
at the campus of u c l A. Henrietta Henrietta

1412
01:33:36,359 --> 01:33:41,439
Meres lived in bel Air, which is right above, which

1413
01:33:41,680 --> 01:33:44,760
is right above U. C. L A. And this is

1414
01:33:44,800 --> 01:33:51,479
all in and around Hollywood, So very very interesting that

1415
01:33:51,600 --> 01:33:58,119
all this type of stuff correlates around Hollywood military intelligence agencies.

1416
01:33:59,199 --> 01:34:01,199
You've got the you know, you've got the same old

1417
01:34:01,239 --> 01:34:07,560
stuff here, basically, is what I'm saying. And and you know,

1418
01:34:08,520 --> 01:34:11,479
like I mentioned the Crystal Theater, Robert Schuler, you know,

1419
01:34:11,560 --> 01:34:14,199
he kind of plays a little role in this kind

1420
01:34:14,239 --> 01:34:18,399
of another thing that pops its head up with evangelicism.

1421
01:34:18,960 --> 01:34:21,279
Speaker 1: Real quick, John, let me ask you, while we're on

1422
01:34:21,319 --> 01:34:28,279
the topic of Schuler and all that garbage. If I recalled,

1423
01:34:28,319 --> 01:34:31,800
didn't you at one time make the point about the

1424
01:34:32,119 --> 01:34:36,239
the new Thought positive thinking movement Norman Vincent Peelee. Didn't

1425
01:34:36,279 --> 01:34:38,279
that have some kind of deep state connection to or

1426
01:34:38,279 --> 01:34:42,560
at least some social engineering money. And because that's what

1427
01:34:42,720 --> 01:34:46,279
Robert Schuler is, it's just like a window dressing quote

1428
01:34:46,359 --> 01:34:49,479
Christianity version of Norman Vincent Peel stuff. Right.

1429
01:34:50,920 --> 01:34:54,159
Speaker 3: Yeah, Actually yah, I was just about to say prosperity Gospel, Yeah,

1430
01:34:55,119 --> 01:34:56,520
pops its stuff up with.

1431
01:34:56,600 --> 01:34:59,279
Speaker 1: Robert and you talked about new Thought, right, I mean,

1432
01:34:59,399 --> 01:35:00,880
is is that connected.

1433
01:35:00,479 --> 01:35:05,720
Speaker 3: To this absolutely. Okay, yeah, the yeah, if you go on,

1434
01:35:05,800 --> 01:35:11,199
if you go on Robert Schuler's wiki page, if if

1435
01:35:11,199 --> 01:35:13,279
it's still if it's still there in its same form,

1436
01:35:18,199 --> 01:35:25,600
it's it says he's a mottivational speaker. So so I

1437
01:35:26,680 --> 01:35:27,520
thought that was funny.

1438
01:35:28,199 --> 01:35:30,680
Speaker 1: Do you hear my Jordan Peterson thing? I was saying

1439
01:35:30,720 --> 01:35:37,600
that people are Jordan Peterson is Tony Robbins and Milo

1440
01:35:38,359 --> 01:35:40,399
in the body of a young Vincent Price.

1441
01:35:41,560 --> 01:35:42,119
Speaker 3: I saw that.

1442
01:35:42,560 --> 01:35:46,920
Speaker 1: Okay, that's gonna that's gonna make everybody mad, but that's okay.

1443
01:35:46,960 --> 01:35:47,880
But anyway, so go ahead.

1444
01:35:48,760 --> 01:35:50,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, I listened to your critique. It was a very

1445
01:35:51,640 --> 01:35:53,439
very interesting and good.

1446
01:35:54,720 --> 01:35:55,319
Speaker 1: The Uh.

1447
01:35:58,159 --> 01:36:00,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, so Robert, you know, Robert Schuler, you also plays

1448
01:36:00,359 --> 01:36:03,920
a big role in kind of this shifting and changing

1449
01:36:04,279 --> 01:36:12,000
uh you know, uh time period of religion. He had

1450
01:36:12,000 --> 01:36:15,119
a drive in movie theater, uh that he converted into

1451
01:36:15,199 --> 01:36:15,600
a church.

1452
01:36:16,680 --> 01:36:16,920
Speaker 1: Wow.

1453
01:36:17,279 --> 01:36:22,439
Speaker 3: Really the cathedral used to be a drive in movie theater.

1454
01:36:22,680 --> 01:36:27,760
He would actually have people drive in and he would

1455
01:36:27,800 --> 01:36:29,960
be on the loud speaker with the boxes in the

1456
01:36:30,039 --> 01:36:32,199
cars like in the in movie theater you know, back.

1457
01:36:32,159 --> 01:36:34,279
Speaker 1: When Riven that is insane.

1458
01:36:35,079 --> 01:36:37,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, And so he had that and then he built

1459
01:36:37,520 --> 01:36:41,279
the Christal Cathedral or the first you know, the what

1460
01:36:41,520 --> 01:36:48,079
was it called the the Tower, uh, the Tower of

1461
01:36:48,199 --> 01:36:55,399
Hope tower, yeah, tower of Hope, but the Tower of

1462
01:36:55,560 --> 01:37:01,119
Power because he had yeah yeah, Joyce Riley.

1463
01:37:01,399 --> 01:37:04,239
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, well all these people are interchangeable. It's all

1464
01:37:04,239 --> 01:37:04,920
the same bullshit.

1465
01:37:06,039 --> 01:37:07,600
Speaker 3: This was called the Hour of Power.

1466
01:37:08,239 --> 01:37:11,720
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, so uh.

1467
01:37:13,520 --> 01:37:17,119
Speaker 3: So yeah. Another thing that kind of correlates with the

1468
01:37:17,319 --> 01:37:25,239
changing with the modernization of religion, of Christian religion, which

1469
01:37:25,800 --> 01:37:28,880
I always think is quite hilarious because we've talked about

1470
01:37:28,880 --> 01:37:30,479
this a little bit before on some of our I

1471
01:37:30,520 --> 01:37:37,800
think when we were talking about Acumenicism, was was Schuler

1472
01:37:37,960 --> 01:37:41,600
employed Richard Neutra to build the Tower of Hope and

1473
01:37:41,640 --> 01:37:44,560
then he employed Philip Johnson to build the Crystal Cathedral,

1474
01:37:44,640 --> 01:37:47,720
which I mean, those are the most modernist architects.

1475
01:37:48,520 --> 01:37:51,720
Speaker 1: Yeah. Right, that's a good point of the time period.

1476
01:37:51,760 --> 01:37:55,000
Speaker 3: So he employs these you know, modernist architects to build

1477
01:37:55,000 --> 01:37:58,239
this church and the Crystal Cathedral. If you go look

1478
01:37:58,279 --> 01:38:02,680
at it from the front angle, it's an upside down pyramid.

1479
01:38:03,399 --> 01:38:03,720
Speaker 1: Hmmm.

1480
01:38:04,720 --> 01:38:06,840
Speaker 3: Right, So it's got this kind of odd shape, but

1481
01:38:07,079 --> 01:38:10,760
the front part of it is an upside down triangle.

1482
01:38:11,399 --> 01:38:13,399
Speaker 1: So there you know it.

1483
01:38:13,760 --> 01:38:19,439
Speaker 3: The cathedral itself bears no resemblance to anything having to

1484
01:38:19,520 --> 01:38:21,600
do with the church whatsoever.

1485
01:38:22,319 --> 01:38:23,760
Speaker 1: Right, that's a good point, you know.

1486
01:38:23,960 --> 01:38:26,399
Speaker 3: So, yeah, you're you're, you're absolutely correct. He was a

1487
01:38:26,520 --> 01:38:29,760
part of the Prosperity Gospel, the New Thought, you know,

1488
01:38:29,880 --> 01:38:32,439
kind of a continuation of the Norman Vincent.

1489
01:38:32,199 --> 01:38:34,680
Speaker 1: Peel and Norman Vincent Peel, if I recall, was a

1490
01:38:34,760 --> 01:38:36,720
high level Mason. He was either a thirty two or

1491
01:38:36,760 --> 01:38:38,680
thirty three degree free Mason.

1492
01:38:39,399 --> 01:38:41,119
Speaker 3: So so was so was Schuler.

1493
01:38:41,239 --> 01:38:42,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, okay, that makes sense.

1494
01:38:43,640 --> 01:38:48,960
Speaker 3: Norman Vincent Peel was Rockefeller funded. Oh okay, he had

1495
01:38:49,079 --> 01:38:52,840
Rock money kind of backing him up to I think

1496
01:38:52,960 --> 01:38:56,000
he was from New York if i'm if I'm remembering correctly,

1497
01:38:56,039 --> 01:39:02,920
don't quote me on that. But yeah, when you get

1498
01:39:02,960 --> 01:39:06,239
back into the h there's a there's a good book

1499
01:39:06,319 --> 01:39:11,960
on this, Kate Bowler's book. It's called Blessed History, a

1500
01:39:12,119 --> 01:39:14,960
History of Prosperity Gospel. People should check that out. There's

1501
01:39:14,960 --> 01:39:20,880
another one. There's another one called The Charismatic Century. People

1502
01:39:21,560 --> 01:39:23,319
could go back and read that and kind of goes

1503
01:39:23,359 --> 01:39:28,640
into the history of the uh, you know, like the

1504
01:39:28,720 --> 01:39:33,920
Azuza Street Revival. Yes, right, that's another That's another thing.

1505
01:39:34,239 --> 01:39:35,920
I didn't bring this up with Tim, but I'll bring

1506
01:39:35,960 --> 01:39:39,600
it up with you. That's another interesting thing about California

1507
01:39:39,680 --> 01:39:42,600
is it's home to one of the biggest Christian universities

1508
01:39:42,640 --> 01:39:50,600
in the world. Is Pacific Mm hmm, I do about this, Yeah,

1509
01:39:50,640 --> 01:39:58,920
AZUSA Pacific University is a very large, uh Christian institution.

1510
01:39:59,279 --> 01:40:01,199
Speaker 1: I I I don't.

1511
01:40:01,279 --> 01:40:03,880
Speaker 3: I believe it's a non denominational university.

1512
01:40:04,359 --> 01:40:06,439
Speaker 1: Oh okay, so it's like, is it like a is

1513
01:40:06,479 --> 01:40:09,119
it charismatic in the tradition of the Azuza Street Revival

1514
01:40:09,600 --> 01:40:10,279
giant school?

1515
01:40:11,880 --> 01:40:15,159
Speaker 3: I I would, I would tend to think so.

1516
01:40:15,279 --> 01:40:16,039
Speaker 1: I didn't.

1517
01:40:16,199 --> 01:40:18,079
Speaker 3: You know, I don't know that for a fact, But

1518
01:40:18,479 --> 01:40:21,239
I just know that there's not really any sort of

1519
01:40:22,600 --> 01:40:25,920
Usually you go, you know, you have religious universities, there's

1520
01:40:25,960 --> 01:40:29,199
some sort of denomination attached to it, right, you know,

1521
01:40:29,680 --> 01:40:34,800
Southern method as Southern Baptist or you know, Catholic universities

1522
01:40:34,920 --> 01:40:41,319
or whatever. A Zoosa Pacific is a non denominational Christian

1523
01:40:41,520 --> 01:40:46,239
like a Christian university, and it basically kind of correlates

1524
01:40:46,319 --> 01:40:52,359
with a kind of uh no, no, sort of denomination

1525
01:40:52,680 --> 01:40:57,840
kind of the evangel the Evangelical University. Another another guy

1526
01:40:57,880 --> 01:41:02,159
who actually lived in California and died in Newport Beach

1527
01:41:02,439 --> 01:41:03,359
was Oral Roberts.

1528
01:41:03,840 --> 01:41:06,159
Speaker 1: I was about to bring up Oral Roberts University.

1529
01:41:06,319 --> 01:41:12,119
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, which, uh, which many many of today's big

1530
01:41:12,279 --> 01:41:16,600
time pastors actually graduated from.

1531
01:41:16,760 --> 01:41:17,960
Speaker 1: Oral Roberts University.

1532
01:41:18,760 --> 01:41:22,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, and so Oral Roberts was there to churn out

1533
01:41:22,479 --> 01:41:23,439
the next way he was.

1534
01:41:23,560 --> 01:41:25,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was turning out that like the like the

1535
01:41:26,000 --> 01:41:30,319
Kenneth Copelands and these kind of guys. Yeah.

1536
01:41:30,560 --> 01:41:33,479
Speaker 3: I think Benny did Benny Hinn go to Oral Roberts University?

1537
01:41:33,520 --> 01:41:37,840
I think so, Yeah, Yeah, and maybe even TD Jakes

1538
01:41:38,039 --> 01:41:39,920
did or something like that. One of the black guys

1539
01:41:40,000 --> 01:41:43,720
did something like that. I can't remember.

1540
01:41:45,840 --> 01:41:51,680
Speaker 1: So do we have you got any more juicy? I

1541
01:41:51,760 --> 01:41:53,680
mean this is great, there's a lot of juicy nuggets.

1542
01:41:53,680 --> 01:41:57,199
We've still got two hundred and twenty three two thirty

1543
01:41:57,840 --> 01:41:58,840
people watching.

1544
01:41:59,159 --> 01:41:59,279
Speaker 5: Uh.

1545
01:41:59,800 --> 01:42:03,600
Speaker 1: If if you want us to move into the question period,

1546
01:42:04,680 --> 01:42:07,880
h do send a super chat here and we'll read

1547
01:42:07,880 --> 01:42:08,600
your question.

1548
01:42:10,960 --> 01:42:11,279
Speaker 3: A lot.

1549
01:42:11,399 --> 01:42:13,239
Speaker 1: It looks like we've got a good bit of the

1550
01:42:13,359 --> 01:42:17,359
atheist types in the chat here. The crimes in the Bible,

1551
01:42:18,119 --> 01:42:20,680
genocide in the Bible. Yeah, I'd be glad to eventually

1552
01:42:20,800 --> 01:42:23,239
do those topics. That's not what we're here to talk

1553
01:42:23,239 --> 01:42:30,119
about tonight, But that's okay, I'm not I didn't come

1554
01:42:30,159 --> 01:42:32,720
on here to debate the Bible. Yeah, this is not

1555
01:42:32,840 --> 01:42:35,279
like atheist night. What we're here to talk about is

1556
01:42:35,359 --> 01:42:39,039
the social engineering behind the end time stuff. And then

1557
01:42:39,199 --> 01:42:42,159
when we finished talking with John, I will give some

1558
01:42:42,319 --> 01:42:46,039
of my book recommendations for people that, you know, want

1559
01:42:46,079 --> 01:42:49,199
to delve deeper into this topic. And I'm going to recommend,

1560
01:42:49,279 --> 01:42:52,560
you know, readable sized books, not giant things, for people

1561
01:42:52,680 --> 01:42:55,159
that want to get my perspective on it, because I

1562
01:42:55,239 --> 01:42:58,479
get that question a lot. So we do have some

1563
01:42:59,159 --> 01:43:01,720
super chats here. Are they any good questions or they

1564
01:43:01,880 --> 01:43:08,359
just chats? Send more, mammon. That is a good statement,

1565
01:43:08,479 --> 01:43:12,359
but not exactly a question. The Big Brother fart analogy

1566
01:43:12,680 --> 01:43:15,880
made made me pee myself laughing. Well, I'm glad I

1567
01:43:15,960 --> 01:43:19,039
could make you pee and laugh at the same time.

1568
01:43:20,800 --> 01:43:25,960
Increase Jones audio. We did that. So how do here's one?

1569
01:43:26,039 --> 01:43:29,640
How do UFOs tie into the apocalypse? That's a good question.

1570
01:43:29,880 --> 01:43:33,199
I don't actually think that UFOs are part of the apocalypse.

1571
01:43:33,880 --> 01:43:37,119
I think that it's possible that maybe and there could

1572
01:43:37,199 --> 01:43:41,159
be some kind of strange phenomenon at the end and

1573
01:43:41,479 --> 01:43:43,319
end Days or something like that. But I don't think

1574
01:43:43,359 --> 01:43:45,119
that we know when the end and End Days is.

1575
01:43:46,199 --> 01:43:48,600
I think that as it gets closer to that time period,

1576
01:43:48,640 --> 01:43:53,039
it'll be evident. But I don't think that there are

1577
01:43:53,119 --> 01:43:56,079
aliens that are flying around in space and watching us

1578
01:43:56,119 --> 01:44:00,840
or anything like that. So that would be my response

1579
01:44:00,920 --> 01:44:03,239
to that question. We got a couple more here.

1580
01:44:04,760 --> 01:44:06,159
Speaker 3: Can I answer? Can I answer that question?

1581
01:44:06,199 --> 01:44:07,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, John got Yeah, sure, be feel free.

1582
01:44:09,960 --> 01:44:14,319
Speaker 3: There was a movement in the sixties and seventies to

1583
01:44:14,760 --> 01:44:16,920
tie Jesus to aliens.

1584
01:44:18,000 --> 01:44:21,680
Speaker 1: Okay, talk about that done, and then into.

1585
01:44:21,439 --> 01:44:24,159
Speaker 3: The nineteen eighties, this idea that Jesus is going to

1586
01:44:24,199 --> 01:44:28,840
come into spaceship. There's a there's a song out there,

1587
01:44:29,000 --> 01:44:31,239
a song I really like a lot. It's pretty. It's

1588
01:44:31,359 --> 01:44:35,239
called UFO. It's by Jim Sullivan, and it's literally a

1589
01:44:35,319 --> 01:44:37,960
song about Jesus coming down in the spaceship. I think

1590
01:44:38,079 --> 01:44:42,800
Speared in the Sky kind of has been kind of

1591
01:44:43,479 --> 01:44:46,159
used in that way in the culture to kind of

1592
01:44:46,359 --> 01:44:49,600
play that Jesus connected, you know, Like don't they use

1593
01:44:49,640 --> 01:44:53,159
Spirit in the sky in like Apollo thirteen or something

1594
01:44:53,199 --> 01:45:01,279
so it's kind of yeah, good plant to NASA and space. Yeah,

1595
01:45:01,840 --> 01:45:07,039
the idea, this is a theosophical idea as well, because

1596
01:45:07,640 --> 01:45:13,399
good point, you know, Blovatsky specifically talks about how Jesus

1597
01:45:13,560 --> 01:45:16,760
is one of the space Brothers and good point.

1598
01:45:16,840 --> 01:45:20,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, I forgot about that, you know. So yeah, exo

1599
01:45:20,479 --> 01:45:25,680
theology is a classic attempt of cults. And if you

1600
01:45:25,800 --> 01:45:29,159
heard the interviews with James Kelly and the cult series,

1601
01:45:29,600 --> 01:45:33,359
the Nation of Islam has the exo theology alien element.

1602
01:45:33,760 --> 01:45:40,920
Scientology has the exo theology alien element. Jim Jones actually

1603
01:45:41,159 --> 01:45:44,880
People's Temple had the the alien exo theology element. So

1604
01:45:44,920 --> 01:45:48,439
that's a very smooth the ray aliens I mentioned them

1605
01:45:48,479 --> 01:45:51,960
in my book. That's a very smooth transition from Jesus

1606
01:45:52,079 --> 01:45:55,479
to the space brothers. And the CIA has been involved

1607
01:45:55,479 --> 01:45:56,199
in that for a long time.

1608
01:45:57,079 --> 01:45:59,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, and there's other elements of that too, I mean

1609
01:46:00,000 --> 01:46:03,119
to a certain extent, like Mormons are all into transhumanism.

1610
01:46:03,399 --> 01:46:07,880
That's a good point, spaceships and uh, you know all

1611
01:46:08,159 --> 01:46:12,680
that type of stuff. You know, I would say that

1612
01:46:14,560 --> 01:46:17,399
there's other pop culture, there's other pop culture stuff that

1613
01:46:17,520 --> 01:46:21,399
kind of implies that, you know, Jesus is a space

1614
01:46:21,520 --> 01:46:26,560
brother in flying in the UFO Udanakin sitchen.

1615
01:46:27,479 --> 01:46:29,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I mean the rapture idea is kind of,

1616
01:46:29,840 --> 01:46:31,920
you know, kind of in the same principle here, like

1617
01:46:31,920 --> 01:46:34,760
remember Heaven's Gate. Heavens Gate was another exo theology and

1618
01:46:34,800 --> 01:46:36,359
they thought they're gonna get raptured.

1619
01:46:36,000 --> 01:46:41,520
Speaker 3: And yeah, yeah, so you have this this kind of

1620
01:46:41,560 --> 01:46:45,319
stuff actually kind of making its way into pop culture

1621
01:46:45,439 --> 01:46:48,880
because I think a lot of the ancient alien type

1622
01:46:48,920 --> 01:46:53,079
stuff would would imply like I think what they what

1623
01:46:53,279 --> 01:46:57,840
what that type of stuff tries to do is whereas

1624
01:46:58,079 --> 01:47:00,279
you get you know, the people, there's the people out

1625
01:47:00,279 --> 01:47:06,039
there who say, and I'm not disagreeing with some of

1626
01:47:06,119 --> 01:47:08,640
this stuff, well, let's just say I'm just going to

1627
01:47:08,760 --> 01:47:11,720
be objective about the information. So there's the people who

1628
01:47:11,720 --> 01:47:15,920
would say that Mohammed or Jesus does never existed in history, right,

1629
01:47:17,159 --> 01:47:20,319
And then there's the people who would say, well, they existed,

1630
01:47:20,520 --> 01:47:24,039
but they were they were the ancient aliens. They were

1631
01:47:24,039 --> 01:47:26,600
sent here, but they were sent here by the ancient aliens.

1632
01:47:26,680 --> 01:47:32,439
They you know, you know when the ascension, Jesus's ascension

1633
01:47:32,840 --> 01:47:37,600
was him being beamed up by a UFO and you know,

1634
01:47:37,720 --> 01:47:43,840
Giorgio Sukulos can prove this, right, So I'm sure that

1635
01:47:43,960 --> 01:47:46,800
this type of stuff, uh plus plus you know, all

1636
01:47:46,880 --> 01:47:49,039
all that type of stuff. They'll go into other religions,

1637
01:47:49,119 --> 01:47:54,159
like you know, the Hindu karma wheel is actually a UFO, right, yes.

1638
01:47:54,079 --> 01:47:57,600
Speaker 1: Good point. Yeah, the wheels of Ezekiel become giant spaceships,

1639
01:47:57,640 --> 01:48:00,600
and that's also the Hindu chariot, right yeah, So.

1640
01:48:00,800 --> 01:48:06,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, Ezekiel saw a spaceship. Ezekiel Elijah went up in

1641
01:48:06,920 --> 01:48:10,760
a in a spaceship, right, it was it was a chariot.

1642
01:48:10,880 --> 01:48:13,520
But because well, i mean, come on, Jade, they didn't

1643
01:48:13,560 --> 01:48:15,199
know what UFOs looked like back then.

1644
01:48:15,239 --> 01:48:18,399
Speaker 1: They just saw, right, just like hal Lindsay says that

1645
01:48:19,119 --> 01:48:23,960
the apostle John, you didn't know what a black hawk was.

1646
01:48:24,079 --> 01:48:26,880
So if John saw black hawk, he would describe it

1647
01:48:26,960 --> 01:48:29,439
as a giant scorpion with a metal body.

1648
01:48:30,199 --> 01:48:32,840
Speaker 3: So let me tell you them, there's a black cock

1649
01:48:33,119 --> 01:48:35,439
coming down in my house right now. I'm not kidding

1650
01:48:35,439 --> 01:48:38,199
they just it's been following ever since we started doing

1651
01:48:38,239 --> 01:48:38,840
this broadcast.

1652
01:48:40,359 --> 01:48:43,560
Speaker 1: Vintage Alex there, this is old. This is like nineteen

1653
01:48:43,640 --> 01:48:47,159
ninety eight Alex when he was doing America Destroyed by Design.

1654
01:48:47,199 --> 01:48:47,880
Remember that one.

1655
01:48:48,560 --> 01:48:50,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah, so many times.

1656
01:48:50,760 --> 01:48:54,119
Speaker 1: Okay, we got two more questions here. We got a

1657
01:48:54,199 --> 01:48:57,960
couple of super chats. Pepe I wonder who Pepe is?

1658
01:48:58,079 --> 01:49:03,479
Pepe keck the Malachi Martin said, the Soviet Union faked

1659
01:49:03,520 --> 01:49:06,880
its own death. Yes, if you go back when the

1660
01:49:07,039 --> 01:49:10,199
show is archived after we finished tonight, you'll hear we

1661
01:49:10,319 --> 01:49:15,000
did for a section cover defectors. We mentioned Anatoli Galitzen,

1662
01:49:15,039 --> 01:49:18,359
and we mentioned Yuri Besmanov, and we mentioned him in

1663
01:49:18,399 --> 01:49:23,199
the context of being skeptical of defectors. And so Malachi Martin,

1664
01:49:23,239 --> 01:49:25,439
I would say, is just as dubious as these same

1665
01:49:25,560 --> 01:49:27,640
kinds of characters. If you read Keys of This Blood,

1666
01:49:27,680 --> 01:49:31,439
it's all about fostering the Cold War. Malachai Martin's whole

1667
01:49:31,479 --> 01:49:33,880
thing is the Commies are gonna get us, The comedies

1668
01:49:33,920 --> 01:49:36,640
are going to get us. That's who's infiltrating the church.

1669
01:49:37,359 --> 01:49:40,960
He never mentions that he was probably Cia and all

1670
01:49:41,000 --> 01:49:43,760
of his Cia buddies that were common during that church.

1671
01:49:44,319 --> 01:49:48,880
As David Wimhoff shows emphatically, dogmatically, without any doubt, it's

1672
01:49:48,920 --> 01:49:51,960
one hund percent proven in his book. So I don't

1673
01:49:52,119 --> 01:49:57,199
trust defectors. It's a great engine of CIA disinformation defector stories.

1674
01:49:58,000 --> 01:49:59,800
So we did cover that. You can just listen to

1675
01:49:59,880 --> 01:50:02,079
it later. John, any comments on that question.

1676
01:50:04,159 --> 01:50:07,000
Speaker 3: I own The Jesuits by Malachi Martin, but I've never

1677
01:50:07,079 --> 01:50:09,159
read it, and I've never read any of his other books,

1678
01:50:09,319 --> 01:50:11,039
so I have no comments.

1679
01:50:12,760 --> 01:50:16,359
Speaker 1: Next question is do you know about Robert Weber and

1680
01:50:16,479 --> 01:50:21,800
the convergence movement trying to bring evangelical, charismatic and traditional

1681
01:50:21,880 --> 01:50:25,239
style liturgies together. Yes. In fact, I remember when I

1682
01:50:25,319 --> 01:50:28,640
first started seeing this trend about ten years ago. I

1683
01:50:28,840 --> 01:50:33,039
started researching the history of the Emergent Church, which I

1684
01:50:33,079 --> 01:50:36,199
guess maybe now it's convergent Church and all this stuff

1685
01:50:36,239 --> 01:50:38,359
does it? The names don't match the same kind of thing,

1686
01:50:38,960 --> 01:50:41,680
And yeah, it's a kind of a way to try

1687
01:50:41,720 --> 01:50:44,560
to draw people out of as we talked about the

1688
01:50:44,600 --> 01:50:48,039
beginning of the conversation, more traditional movements into new fads,

1689
01:50:48,600 --> 01:50:52,560
and so the corporations, even the CIA, these de Pentagon,

1690
01:50:52,960 --> 01:50:56,439
they all experiment with these different flavors of movements to

1691
01:50:56,600 --> 01:50:59,479
draw people and test, you know, in these different things.

1692
01:51:00,199 --> 01:51:04,520
All of these big megachurches are uh, you know, government

1693
01:51:04,760 --> 01:51:07,239
run stuff, and so Alf Jones was right about that part.

1694
01:51:07,319 --> 01:51:10,319
But but yes, we did earlier on We did mention

1695
01:51:10,760 --> 01:51:13,840
the emergent church movement and we did talk about it

1696
01:51:14,239 --> 01:51:18,880
having connections to the deep State. So John, any thoughts

1697
01:51:18,920 --> 01:51:19,039
on that.

1698
01:51:21,239 --> 01:51:29,079
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I think what happens is is over time, uh,

1699
01:51:29,840 --> 01:51:32,520
whatever whatever it may be, people start to kind of

1700
01:51:32,640 --> 01:51:36,600
go back to you know, they get they get tired,

1701
01:51:36,920 --> 01:51:40,479
you know, the the megachurch type stuff. It's going to

1702
01:51:40,560 --> 01:51:43,439
run its course, so people might kind of go back

1703
01:51:43,520 --> 01:51:46,880
to something earlier, like maybe look for some more traditional

1704
01:51:46,920 --> 01:51:49,720
type stuff. In fact that I actually saw a Presbyterian

1705
01:51:50,600 --> 01:51:53,960
pastor kind of talking about this. Uh, they kind of

1706
01:51:54,239 --> 01:51:59,920
kept their worship service in line with what original worre

1707
01:52:00,079 --> 01:52:05,439
ship services were, and he was expecting that that there

1708
01:52:05,560 --> 01:52:08,760
was going to be a re emergence of that old

1709
01:52:08,840 --> 01:52:13,600
type of worship because people were going to tire of

1710
01:52:14,920 --> 01:52:17,760
you know, Joel Ostein and all that type of stuff.

1711
01:52:18,640 --> 01:52:21,880
But I think what happens is is in the course

1712
01:52:21,960 --> 01:52:27,640
of people kind of looking for traditional, more traditional type stuff,

1713
01:52:29,159 --> 01:52:29,880
they'll try to.

1714
01:52:32,560 --> 01:52:32,880
Speaker 1: Kind of.

1715
01:52:34,640 --> 01:52:40,439
Speaker 3: Circumvent that with a with an invented traditional I don't

1716
01:52:40,439 --> 01:52:44,760
know how to explain myself thoroughly, but it's like someone

1717
01:52:44,800 --> 01:52:47,960
will go looking for a traditional type of something, but

1718
01:52:48,159 --> 01:52:52,840
it'll it'll be a reinvented type of thing. And I

1719
01:52:52,960 --> 01:52:56,279
think with what she's talking about what I'm sorry, I

1720
01:52:56,520 --> 01:52:58,239
don't know. Was it a was it an old lady?

1721
01:52:58,399 --> 01:53:01,439
Speaker 1: It was? It was it was Adam asked that question. Adam.

1722
01:53:01,960 --> 01:53:08,239
Speaker 3: Okay, sorry, Adam, I thought it was Eve just kidding.

1723
01:53:10,760 --> 01:53:15,520
That was bad. Yeah, with the Robert Weber and Yeah,

1724
01:53:15,560 --> 01:53:17,920
that's what you're gonna see is kind of an emerging

1725
01:53:18,199 --> 01:53:25,439
of of of I guess philosophy is emerging of theologies

1726
01:53:25,520 --> 01:53:27,800
into kind of this mishmash postmodern.

1727
01:53:29,079 --> 01:53:30,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a great way to put it that the

1728
01:53:30,840 --> 01:53:36,359
emergent church movement is completely postmodern and the postmodernists we're

1729
01:53:36,399 --> 01:53:40,199
also CIA funded. You can read about the French theorists,

1730
01:53:40,319 --> 01:53:44,159
the Deidad, these different characters. They also had CIA backing.

1731
01:53:45,119 --> 01:53:49,720
That will be in my book as well. So we've

1732
01:53:49,840 --> 01:53:54,560
gone almost two hours. We're getting numbers are dropping a

1733
01:53:54,600 --> 01:53:58,520
little bit. Maybe we need to come to the end here, John,

1734
01:53:58,520 --> 01:54:01,920
I'm gonna let you have the final all concluding remarks

1735
01:54:02,000 --> 01:54:04,279
if you've got any more nuggets that you want to

1736
01:54:04,359 --> 01:54:07,800
kind of throw out before we Yes, Fuko exactly, Thank you, Trevor.

1737
01:54:07,880 --> 01:54:13,800
Fuko was definitely one of these gay Jesuit occultists who

1738
01:54:14,159 --> 01:54:18,439
stared over the abyss. But anyway, John, you got any

1739
01:54:18,479 --> 01:54:22,159
more nuggets before we kind of moved to the conclusion here.

1740
01:54:24,560 --> 01:54:29,000
Speaker 3: Uh Yeah, Calvin Chapel had a pastor. Calvin Chapel had

1741
01:54:29,000 --> 01:54:34,880
a pastor and he was kind of chucksmiss right hand man.

1742
01:54:35,079 --> 01:54:39,359
And he was a long haired, bearded hippie type and

1743
01:54:39,479 --> 01:54:40,840
his name was Lonnie Frisbee.

1744
01:54:41,600 --> 01:54:43,560
Speaker 1: I've heard this one. Yeah, this is a good one.

1745
01:54:44,119 --> 01:54:46,880
Speaker 3: He was a young man and he basically kind of

1746
01:54:47,000 --> 01:54:51,680
looked like Jesus, and so he went around kind of recruiting,

1747
01:54:52,319 --> 01:54:54,399
you know, people, getting all the young people to come

1748
01:54:54,439 --> 01:54:57,520
in and join the church and come to the service

1749
01:54:57,720 --> 01:55:01,920
and the whole bit. There's there's a documentary on Lonnie

1750
01:55:01,960 --> 01:55:06,239
Frisbee you can find and watch, and Lonnie Frisbee was

1751
01:55:07,279 --> 01:55:09,880
the whole time he was a pastor at Calbert Chapel,

1752
01:55:10,520 --> 01:55:17,079
he was an alcoholic, drug using homosexual wow okay okay,

1753
01:55:18,319 --> 01:55:20,960
And people at the church even knew this, but they

1754
01:55:21,079 --> 01:55:25,039
covered it up. And there's even an interview with somebody

1755
01:55:25,119 --> 01:55:30,239
from that documentary it may have even been Chuck Smith Junior,

1756
01:55:31,079 --> 01:55:33,920
where he was saying, you know, Lonnie would come in

1757
01:55:34,199 --> 01:55:37,319
and he you know, you could tell he'd been partying

1758
01:55:37,399 --> 01:55:43,399
the night before, but you could just tell that when

1759
01:55:43,479 --> 01:55:45,960
he stepped into that church, the Holy Spirit.

1760
01:55:45,800 --> 01:55:47,880
Speaker 1: Was with him and.

1761
01:55:49,720 --> 01:55:52,119
Speaker 3: He was alive and he was able to you know,

1762
01:55:52,640 --> 01:55:55,600
fire people up. And I was I was just you know,

1763
01:55:55,760 --> 01:56:01,840
thinking about how funny that, you know, this went on

1764
01:56:02,039 --> 01:56:05,159
for many many years where this this guy, you know,

1765
01:56:05,279 --> 01:56:07,560
even into the nineteen eighties where he cut his hair,

1766
01:56:07,720 --> 01:56:13,520
and you know, this type of stuff goes on for

1767
01:56:13,800 --> 01:56:19,039
long come and interestingly enough, Pauline Chuck Smith's mentor had

1768
01:56:19,079 --> 01:56:21,640
been accused of being a homosexual alcoholic as well, So

1769
01:56:23,000 --> 01:56:27,439
seems to be a rampant amongst these type of minutes.

1770
01:56:27,520 --> 01:56:30,319
Speaker 1: That's a great point, exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah, a lot

1771
01:56:30,399 --> 01:56:33,720
of these people seem to be very morally compromised individuals.

1772
01:56:33,840 --> 01:56:35,520
So I mean it's not like we're just talking. I mean,

1773
01:56:35,640 --> 01:56:38,920
we all obviously have sins. The point is not to nitpick,

1774
01:56:39,039 --> 01:56:41,119
but that it really seems to be a lot of

1775
01:56:41,159 --> 01:56:47,560
these big name megastar evangelicals seem to have this compromising

1776
01:56:47,680 --> 01:56:49,960
aspect in their background and in their makeup.

1777
01:56:50,880 --> 01:56:53,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's it's you know, it's one it's

1778
01:56:53,960 --> 01:56:59,199
one thing if a mechanic is a closet homosexual, alcoholic,

1779
01:57:02,600 --> 01:57:07,319
but if you're a pastor, you know that's that's a

1780
01:57:07,399 --> 01:57:15,159
little different there. That's quite a compromise. So yeah, you see,

1781
01:57:15,199 --> 01:57:17,439
you see this trend kind of run through there. And

1782
01:57:18,159 --> 01:57:23,600
you know, the biggest thing I think overall is when

1783
01:57:23,680 --> 01:57:28,479
you have this culture, it's born out of this background

1784
01:57:28,560 --> 01:57:32,239
that the apocalypse is going to happen. Jesus is coming,

1785
01:57:32,479 --> 01:57:37,319
He's returning any day. Now it doesn't happen. It continues

1786
01:57:37,399 --> 01:57:41,760
on into the eighties. As we move into the eighties,

1787
01:57:44,039 --> 01:57:48,039
a base has been created for the election of Ronald Reagan.

1788
01:57:49,680 --> 01:57:52,239
Speaker 1: Okay, right, and then.

1789
01:57:52,119 --> 01:57:54,720
Speaker 3: You move on into the nineteen eighties with the Council

1790
01:57:54,800 --> 01:58:02,680
for National Policy and a literal foundation and base as

1791
01:58:02,720 --> 01:58:08,039
a religion has been created as a political arm. Okay,

1792
01:58:08,159 --> 01:58:12,000
Now you have a religion that is a political arm

1793
01:58:12,199 --> 01:58:21,239
of Republican politics. Yeah, okay, this is something that didn't

1794
01:58:21,359 --> 01:58:25,159
happen in any previous time period.

1795
01:58:27,359 --> 01:58:29,079
Speaker 1: That's a good point. Yeah, And this is why we

1796
01:58:29,199 --> 01:58:33,760
see the dominance of the neo conservative foreign policy mindset

1797
01:58:34,000 --> 01:58:36,760
in the evangelical world, especially as you said, in that

1798
01:58:36,920 --> 01:58:41,079
Reagan era, moral majority crowd fallwell type Crop.

1799
01:58:41,800 --> 01:58:47,399
Speaker 3: Absolutely. Yeah, it was set up from the sixties to

1800
01:58:47,600 --> 01:58:53,479
become this political arm and I would even speculate, can't

1801
01:58:53,520 --> 01:58:55,399
prove it, but I would even speculate that they may

1802
01:58:55,399 --> 01:58:57,199
have even had Reagan picked out for this.

1803
01:58:57,760 --> 01:59:00,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised. Yeah, I mean Reagan was

1804
01:59:00,800 --> 01:59:03,920
probably compromised. In fact, remember h Chapman that used to

1805
01:59:03,960 --> 01:59:09,000
come on Alex Jones's show and Bob, Yeah, he would

1806
01:59:09,000 --> 01:59:11,520
always talk about that he knew that. Right, I'm not

1807
01:59:11,640 --> 01:59:13,079
This doesn't prove it, but I'm saying he was always

1808
01:59:13,079 --> 01:59:15,239
tking about how he knew that that Reagan was compromised.

1809
01:59:16,039 --> 01:59:19,760
Alex doesn't. Alex doesn't play that clip anymore. But uh

1810
01:59:19,920 --> 01:59:20,960
that you can find that one.

1811
01:59:23,279 --> 01:59:26,279
Speaker 3: So as it moves into the eighties, the other thing

1812
01:59:26,479 --> 01:59:32,640
it successfully does is and I have the empirical background

1813
01:59:32,720 --> 01:59:37,319
to be able to to say this is is it

1814
01:59:37,520 --> 01:59:41,880
moved these people who were kind of and this type

1815
01:59:41,920 --> 01:59:46,359
of Christianity, you know, a morphed as it as as

1816
01:59:46,399 --> 01:59:48,760
it went down through time. Because that's what postmodernism has

1817
01:59:48,840 --> 01:59:52,640
to do, right, that has to constantly reinvent itself. So

1818
01:59:54,800 --> 02:00:00,960
so it moved people that were outside. So this kind

1819
02:00:01,000 --> 02:00:04,399
of separation of family and tradition. You break it up

1820
02:00:04,479 --> 02:00:07,640
with youth movements and say, hey, all the stuff that

1821
02:00:07,800 --> 02:00:10,079
these people are doing in the modern world, which you

1822
02:00:10,159 --> 02:00:13,479
could make an argument that it wasn't great. Okay, let's

1823
02:00:13,520 --> 02:00:17,520
just see the nuclear family and the modernization. All right,

1824
02:00:17,920 --> 02:00:21,319
it's not that great, okay, but whatever. You break it up,

1825
02:00:21,640 --> 02:00:24,279
you take the youth away from them. You get parents

1826
02:00:24,319 --> 02:00:27,640
and children at odds with each other. You create this

1827
02:00:27,760 --> 02:00:29,920
youth movement. They break away. They say, hey, we don't

1828
02:00:29,920 --> 02:00:32,399
want anything to do with the technology and the modern

1829
02:00:32,399 --> 02:00:33,840
We're going to go out here in the woods and

1830
02:00:34,000 --> 02:00:36,319
we're gonna grow our hair long and all that type

1831
02:00:36,319 --> 02:00:42,560
of stuff. Whether it was evangelical religion or whether it

1832
02:00:42,680 --> 02:00:45,960
was New Age stuff or whatever it is. You get

1833
02:00:46,039 --> 02:00:51,359
them back into these these ideas, and then by the

1834
02:00:51,479 --> 02:00:55,319
nineteen eighties you're able to move them back into.

1835
02:00:55,399 --> 02:00:58,640
Speaker 1: The modern world. Yeah, that's a good point. So I

1836
02:00:58,720 --> 02:00:59,920
saw that with my parents.

1837
02:01:00,199 --> 02:01:02,119
Speaker 3: My parents, you know, they were kind of like, oh,

1838
02:01:02,199 --> 02:01:05,680
we're not going to eat General Mills, We're not going

1839
02:01:05,720 --> 02:01:08,880
to drink Coca cola, you're not going to watch television.

1840
02:01:09,399 --> 02:01:10,960
You're not gonna do And then by the time the

1841
02:01:11,039 --> 02:01:13,479
mid eighties starts to roll around my parents. You know,

1842
02:01:13,640 --> 02:01:16,119
it's like, Okay, we can eat McDonald's. Now, hey we

1843
02:01:16,199 --> 02:01:20,319
can have soda, all right, cool. I can watch you know,

1844
02:01:20,399 --> 02:01:24,439
I can watch some MTV. Sometimes it starts getting a

1845
02:01:24,479 --> 02:01:28,159
little starts getting a little lenient as every and and

1846
02:01:28,279 --> 02:01:31,640
the church itself moves in because it moves into that

1847
02:01:31,760 --> 02:01:35,279
phase too. Because literally, I'm not kidding Jay and I'm

1848
02:01:35,439 --> 02:01:37,439
and you may have, but by the time I was

1849
02:01:37,479 --> 02:01:40,920
in high school, there were Christian death metal bands.

1850
02:01:42,159 --> 02:01:46,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, that still exists. I have I have a friend

1851
02:01:46,600 --> 02:01:49,000
who is into that. He really likes those, so that

1852
02:01:49,119 --> 02:01:52,479
and that still exists, which is very bizarre. But whatever

1853
02:01:52,840 --> 02:01:57,000
anybody likes is none of my business. But it's just funny.

1854
02:01:57,399 --> 02:01:59,439
It is funny, and I think he thinks it's funny too,

1855
02:01:59,520 --> 02:02:00,720
But yeah, it's.

1856
02:02:00,640 --> 02:02:04,159
Speaker 3: Just funny to think about it. That that the stuff

1857
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that well, I mean, you know, even when we were

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you know, younger, I mean, there's Christian heavy metal bands,

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Striper and all that. So Christianity was was mimicking all

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of the stuff that they said culture culture it was.

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But it's just instead of saying Hail Satan, it's hal Jesus.

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Speaker 1: You got So.

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Speaker 3: I was just going to kind of wrap it up

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there is is that you have this kind of religion

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born of this you know, apocalyptic nature with the background

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of the Cold War. It's all going on in southern

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cal It's all starting in southern California in an area

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that's centered around intelligence and military industrial complex, right, you know,

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kind of right wing politics, and it succeeded in creating

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a foundational base for moving the right wing politics forward

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into the nineteen eighties with the election Ronald Reagan, the

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creation of the Council for National Policy, which was started

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by Tim Lahay, who later wrote the Left Behind series

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that is.

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Speaker 1: So popular Great Point, Great Point, which.

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Speaker 3: Is more apocalyptic nonsense, and interestingly enough, the Council for

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National Policy actually stated Lehay has stated that his idea

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was to create a Christian Council on Foreign.

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Speaker 1: Relations, a so called right wing CFR for those that

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don't know, right, yeah.

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Speaker 3: So so yes, and Tim Lahay actually wrote a book

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with Helendsey.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I know, so.

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Speaker 1: I wish we could leave Tim Lahay and his people behind.

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Can we just leave them behind? Right?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? You know, you want to know what's hilarious if

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you go on Tim la Hay's a wiki page. It

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was changed like in December. If you go on there,

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there's a quote from him about the Illuminati.

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Speaker 1: I'm not kidding.

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Speaker 3: Somebody just put it in there in December. It says

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like Tim la Hay believed that there was an illuminati

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who controlled the world and that uh, I'm serious. Yeah,

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And that's all the left wing see of far people right,

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the liberal illuminati that wants to, you know, do get

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rid of the neo cons. All right, we got a

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couple more questions here and then we'll we'll wrap it up.

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I'll give some book recommendations. I guess this one is

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for me.

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Speaker 1: Are there any suspected CIA promoted heresies in the Orthodox Church? Yeah?

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I cover this. Actually, the best overall topic for that

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that I've done already is the talk that I did

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with John and Chris and I think I titled it

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Mystery Babylon and Ecumenism and Public Education. That talk's still popular.

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It gets like one hundred views every few days. It's

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uped in the ten thousand or so views. That one's

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really good. It's really in depth. I go into the

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history of ecumenism and really the main battle of the

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Orthodox Church in the twentieth century is a humanism. This

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is the battle for in any of the churches and

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religions basically. Uh, and so yes, I think that wim

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Hoff shows that many other people have shown it. The

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Rockefellers created, fostered, and funded that move. I mean, it

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wasn't totally the Rockefellers, but eventually they're the ones that

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made it what it is. So that's who's behind ecumenism.

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And that would be my answer to that question for sure.

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Go ahead for.

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Speaker 3: Anybody who wants. Here's something funny. There is a book

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written by a Marxist. Her name is Holly sky are

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m h and it is an expose of the Trilateral Commission.

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It's called Trilateralism. She's a Marxist and in it is

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a whole bunch of stuff saying how bad and evil

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David Rockefeller is and how bad Trilateralism is. In the

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beginning of the book, in the forwards, she thinks the

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World Council of.

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Speaker 1: Churches, Yeah, this and this would be like Gorbachev. Uh,

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like criticizing the Rockefellers and then being like this megastar

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at the United Nations. M. Yeah, that's a great point, John, Yeah,

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that I think that sums it up. So yes, Uh.

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The the recent even the Russian Russian bishops, many of

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them had commented recently on the Council of Crete, which

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is intended to be the Vatican Two for Orthodoxy last year,

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and it totally failed because most of Orthodoxy had no

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interest in going to a giant ecumenical conference, so that

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the Council of Crete failed, and that was one hundred

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percent funded by NATO and the West. Next question for me,

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what are my thoughts on the certain group. I'm not

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going to name this group. I don't want to give

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them attention and traction. I had an email exchange with

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this person long time ago. We're not going to go

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there for various reasons, so there will not be a

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debate with them for that reason. And the other part

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of this question, what do I think about in times

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and whatever they're into now? Any group, I'll just say this,

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any group or person that at one time predicts the

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end of the world. Okay. So, like we were talking

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about earlier with John, when John was making the point

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about how Lindsey, if you come to these topics from

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a biblical perspective, there's the injunction in scripture for example,

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that you'll know a false prophet when the things that

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they predict don't come true. That's kind of a basic

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rule of thumb for false prophets and teachers. So any

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of these groups out there that are claiming to know

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when the end is and this kind of stuff and

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it doesn't happen. And this group has done this many times.

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So that's why I don't associate with any of those groups.

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I'm not going to waste my time debating them. They're

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very ridiculous. So that is my answer to this group.

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Speaker 3: There's a ministry called End Times Prophecy. Have you ever

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heard of that?

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Speaker 1: Not specifically that, No, what is that?

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Speaker 3: You should check that out. It's pretty funny. Okay, there's

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a ministry called End Times minister.

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Speaker 1: All right, this is that We still got a couple

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hundred and to two hundred and fifty people. If this

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is your last chance for any super chats or questions

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before we wrap this up, or you know, put them

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in there if you want to, if you want to

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get on here before we go, I'm going to give

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you a couple of books and you can have a

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few seconds to type out your question if you want.

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If you've got another question, and then we'll let John

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wrap things up, and that'll be it for tonight. So

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people have asked just easy books on the the view

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of the apocalypse in Matthew twenty four that I take

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that I think would make things very much more manageable,

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much more sensible. It actually makes the Bible a lot

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more coherent. A good place to start would just be

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the Little Easy Book. This was actually written a long

1981
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time ago by a guy named Peter Hulford, who I

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think is a Protestant, and it's just called The Destruction

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of Jerusalem, and it's about the text of Matthew twenty four,

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basically just showing that so much of this matches up

1985
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to what Josepha has talked about that it's very hard

1986
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to try to extend this into a bunch of crazy

1987
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stuff in Palestine and the year two thousand relating to

1988
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Norman Schwartzkough and desert Storm has nothing to do with that.

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The next book I would recommend. It's a little bit

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more difficult, but still eat an easy read, a couple

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hundred pages. You can still get this book on Amazon.

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This is David Chilton's book Great Tribulation. This is a

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good one. It's a real clear, two hundred page book

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on the idea of the Tribulation in the Bible, and

1995
02:10:53,960 --> 02:10:56,479
again how so much of this actually matches up to

1996
02:10:58,159 --> 02:11:03,359
fulfillments of predictions about seventy eighty very simple, very straight

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to the point. If you want to go a little

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02:11:05,399 --> 02:11:09,760
more intense. This is actually a fairly well known THHD thesis.

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I don't recommend to this guy overall, but this book

2000
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is great. And this is Ken Gentry's book before Jerusalem fell.

2001
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So this was his THHD thesis on the dating of

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the Book of Revelation and specifically how it makes sense

2003
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to be dated prior to seventy AD and the destruction

2004
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of Jerusalem. I think Gentry makes a very strong case

2005
02:11:31,680 --> 02:11:38,279
for that if you want a more robust, complete commentary

2006
02:11:39,159 --> 02:11:41,880
of the Book of Revelation itself. The same guy that

2007
02:11:41,960 --> 02:11:46,279
wrote the Tribulation book, David Chilton, has his Classic Days

2008
02:11:46,319 --> 02:11:49,279
of Vengeance, and I remember the first time I read

2009
02:11:49,319 --> 02:11:52,000
this it really blew me away. Those are just some

2010
02:11:52,159 --> 02:11:54,600
easy ones to, you know, kind of building up to

2011
02:11:54,760 --> 02:11:57,760
complexity if you want to get into that topic. And unfortunately,

2012
02:11:57,800 --> 02:12:02,000
while this book is out of print, I did get

2013
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a copy just because it is a really good book,

2014
02:12:05,479 --> 02:12:07,359
but it's like eighty bucks I poll it. Maybe it'll

2015
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come back in print one day, but it will tie

2016
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into a couple of these other books. And it's basically

2017
02:12:14,560 --> 02:12:18,960
designed to show that from the Orthodox perspective, the worship

2018
02:12:19,119 --> 02:12:23,479
service is outlined in the Book of Revelation. That's our view, right,

2019
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and it succeeds in our view the temple and the

2020
02:12:27,359 --> 02:12:32,039
synagogue service. So this classic book Orthodox worship continuity with

2021
02:12:32,199 --> 02:12:34,760
the synagogue the temple in the early Church is really

2022
02:12:34,920 --> 02:12:37,840
the absence of our view. So for people who are interested,

2023
02:12:38,359 --> 02:12:42,359
those are some good books. One last one for people

2024
02:12:42,439 --> 02:12:45,319
who really want to get serious about a total study

2025
02:12:45,359 --> 02:12:49,199
of Biblical apocalyptics. This is a classic by Milton Terry.

2026
02:12:49,239 --> 02:12:52,800
I think he's a methodist actually Biblical apocalyptics, and he

2027
02:12:53,319 --> 02:12:56,119
really goes through all the prophetic texts and I think

2028
02:12:56,720 --> 02:13:02,199
puts the medic coherent order. And of course everybody, as

2029
02:13:02,239 --> 02:13:04,439
I said earlier, you can get the Orthodox Study Bible,

2030
02:13:04,479 --> 02:13:07,319
which has excellent notes on all the prophetic texts. I

2031
02:13:07,399 --> 02:13:09,920
highly recommend that you can get my book Esoteric Hollywood

2032
02:13:09,920 --> 02:13:13,159
Sex Cults and Symbols of Film at Jays Analysis, and

2033
02:13:13,520 --> 02:13:17,079
I will leave it to mister John anything you'd like

2034
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to leave us with and promote here at the end.

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Speaker 3: Like I said, you could read Blessed by Kate Bowler. Okay,

2036
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that's a good book talking about prosperity Gospel. And there's

2037
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another one I can't remember the author's name, but it's

2038
02:13:37,760 --> 02:13:42,239
called The Charismatic Century. And then there's another one by

2039
02:13:42,359 --> 02:13:48,039
Professor Darren Deutchuk and it's called From Bible Belt to

2040
02:13:48,399 --> 02:13:55,239
Sun Belt and that's talking about it's talking about the

2041
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how California, California's role in the creation of of modern

2042
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day evangelical church.

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Speaker 1: Oh wow, specifically about.

2044
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Speaker 3: Southern California's role that played in the creation of of

2045
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not only evangelical beliefs, but also right wing politics too.

2046
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So it's a very interesting book. Highly recommend that book.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that does sound good. And one more time, what

2048
02:14:23,279 --> 02:14:23,439
is it.

2049
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Speaker 3: It's called From Bible Belt to sun Belts by Professor

2050
02:14:29,600 --> 02:14:40,159
Darren Deutschuk. Yeah, I'm pretty good. If anybody's interested in

2051
02:14:40,359 --> 02:14:44,840
anymore of If you've never heard me before, you can

2052
02:14:44,880 --> 02:14:50,720
go to Hoaxbusters call dot com. Hundreds and hundreds of

2053
02:14:50,840 --> 02:14:56,520
audios we've done on many different things, many different discussions

2054
02:14:56,560 --> 02:14:59,920
with mister Tyer here himself. We also got this new

2055
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thing that we're trying to if.

2056
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Speaker 1: You go to.

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Speaker 3: It's called the discord Server, and it's like a chat.

2058
02:15:08,960 --> 02:15:13,960
It's like an ongoing chat. So if you're familiar with Discord,

2059
02:15:14,199 --> 02:15:17,560
we have the hoaxbusters called Discord Now, and a lot

2060
02:15:17,600 --> 02:15:19,479
of people are on there and they're just having discussions

2061
02:15:19,520 --> 02:15:22,119
with people and I go on there and talk to

2062
02:15:22,159 --> 02:15:26,720
people too, so it's, uh, it's really interesting, it's real fun,

2063
02:15:26,800 --> 02:15:32,439
and anybody's welcome to come on there, and I'll give

2064
02:15:32,520 --> 02:15:34,640
I give out my email address to if anybody wants

2065
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to contact me.

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Speaker 1: Okay, it's a j R.

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Speaker 3: Adams eight five seven at yahoo dot com. And if

2068
02:15:44,359 --> 02:15:47,560
anybody wants to contact me and contact or you can

2069
02:15:47,640 --> 02:15:49,319
send me a PayPal donation there too.

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Speaker 1: Cool beings, all right, thank you, John. This has been

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02:15:52,640 --> 02:15:55,880
a great talk, and definitely stay tuned today's analysis as

2072
02:15:55,920 --> 02:15:59,119
we we will have hopefully a debate with one of

2073
02:15:59,159 --> 02:16:03,199
the biggest atheists on YouTube, and that should be as

2074
02:16:03,279 --> 02:16:06,239
they say on the Worsky stream, Blood Sports. Let's cross

2075
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our fingers and hope that this goes down. It will

2076
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be a lot of fun. John. Thank you very much

2077
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for joining me tonight. It was a pleasure.

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Speaker 3: My fingers are crossed.

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Speaker 1: All right, all right, man, have a good night.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if you know.

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Speaker 1: I don't.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if you noticed, but I wore my

2083
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nine O two one O shirt just for you.

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Speaker 1: Awesome.

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Speaker 3: It does have Luke Perry on It does have Luke

2086
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on it or Matt Okay, it's Luke Perry. You can't

2087
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see it, but it was just for you.

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Speaker 1: Thank you.

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Speaker 3: Here's Luke his face.

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Speaker 1: Say say bye to Luke Perry. Everybody bye Luke. All right,

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good night, Thanks Sayonara.