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Speaker 1: For members only. Golf Smarter number three hundred and eighty nine,

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published on June eighteen, twenty thirteen.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to golf Smarter Mulligans, your second chance to gain

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Speaker 3: But now we're getting into the green reading, which is

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an important factor because in the green reading again, we're

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talking about three major areas. What's the speed of my putt?

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And what's the slope of my putt? Am I efficiently aiming?

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Am I efficiently making a ball to roll end over end?

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Speaker 1: Two feet?

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Speaker 3: Straight? Two feet and straights? Am efficiently aiming? Now? How

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do I read the green? So? How do I read

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the green? Is as I decide what the speed of

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this green is slow, medium, or fast or super fast.

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We assume that all greens are two degrees of slow,

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which quite frankly is probably true on an app two

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degrees around.

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Speaker 1: I have two degrees I know when you have multi

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level greens.

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Speaker 3: Right, I'm looking at the hole. I'm standing around the

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cup because keep in mind, the last five feet in

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my puttet are the most important aspects. As the ball

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slows down, that's when gravity has its bigger effect. So

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when I got a thirty foot pott, the first fifteen

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or twenty feet of that are important, but not as

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a massively important to the slope. The most important areas

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that sloping area around the hole.

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Speaker 1: Breaking down the details of vector putting are two with

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John Grunt.

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Speaker 3: This is Golf Smarter.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to Golf Smarter for members only. John.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, great to be here.

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Speaker 1: I'm glad that you're still here. All right. I want

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to pick it right back up where we were on

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stag right, and to redefine stagg. It's kind of your

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method of.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's a methodology that I think that

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are four principal areas that good putters are always involved in, Okay,

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as being speed, speed t two feet and straight two feet.

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Speaker 1: And straight aim for a and G is green reading.

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Speaker 3: That's correct, all right, So.

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about do we do we fully finil one?

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Speaker 3: One thing I need to add about the speeds see

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is important in that based on the new technologies of

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green reading which vector and and aim point involve, which is,

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you know how how a ball travels over over distance

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in time and friction and uh, slope and all those

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things that are involved, which which are derived from mathematical

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equations to help you read putts. Okay, now that sounds

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very complicated and and uh, but both of them have

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done a better job of breaking it down so that

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you don't have to be a nuclear physicist to figure

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it out. But I found vector to be a little

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bit more simple for myself. But one of the components

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is the speed, And both of them kind of agree

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that about twelve inches past the past the whole is

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what they equate into their their algorithms to to at

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the appropriate point or the appropriate aim alignment to make

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your putt. So what this means to the average golfer

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is if I roll a ball one inch past the

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front edge of the cup, I'm gonna I have a

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better chance of my ball going in than if I

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roll it by fourteen inches. Okay, the faster the ball

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comes to the hole, then the less surface space I

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am using of that cup from a gravity standpoint for

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that ball to go in. So that once I start

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getting past about two feet, the chances of my ball

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going in the hole unless it hits dead center are

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becoming very slim, and.

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Speaker 1: It might even just hit the back of the cup,

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pop up exactly.

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Speaker 3: That's at about two and a half feet. That's pretty

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much the equation. Okay, so once you get to three

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feet past the cup, you know, the idea of never up, never.

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Speaker 1: In is I don't know what that means.

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Speaker 3: Well, if I never got the ball to the hole,

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it would never go in.

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Speaker 1: Oh well, of course, okay, one hundred percent of butts

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that are short, Well I'll here's my other say, one

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hundred percent of the puts that are too fast don't

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go in either. Well that makes sense.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So so you know, so speed becomes an essential

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component and how much speed we have, so how we

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plan to hit every put is important and the speed

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as a major factor. I use more of the hole

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if I have proper speed than I do if I

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have the improper speed.

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Speaker 1: So you're cutting out if you have too much speed,

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You're saying that you're eliminating a lot of the hole. Right,

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And not only is the place where the ball is.

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Speaker 3: Going not only if you don't have the proper If

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you don't have the speed that's based upon your reed,

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then you can't hit the putt appropriately. So one of

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the aspects of speed that's really important, which is very

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profound to me, and once I started looking at it,

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was my first component of after I've hit a putt,

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in analyzing the putt that I hit or or evaluating

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the putt I hit, is that I have the right speed.

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That's more almost more sportant to me than the line,

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because what I want to reduce for everybody, and especially

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the higher handicap golfers, but even golf pros, we want

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to eliminate three putts. So really, really, for most people,

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their problem isn't that they misread the putt by ten feet.

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They just mishit it by five feet, you know what

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I'm saying. So generally our speed is as a big

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a factor. I mean, the chance of having a putt

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that breaks three to five feet is less often than

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a putt that maybe break eight to twelve inches that

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we just had the wrong speed on. So speed becomes

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a much more a very important component of becoming effective

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at putting, or become what I call functional.

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Speaker 1: When I play over at the nine hole course down

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the road, here, which we've talked about before at McGinnis,

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and you teach there.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And I play with somebody who's new to the game

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or has been playing long. I always love to ask them,

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you know, on putting, what is more important? Speed or

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distance or direction?

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Speaker 3: Speed or direction? Right?

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Speaker 1: Distance or direction? Yeah, And they're like, oh, direction, it's

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really important. It's like, yeah, well, let me let me

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show you something here. And so you just hit a

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ball right at the hole but goes eight feet past

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or you hit a ball at the exact right speed

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but it's twelve inches wide. I'd much rather have that

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one correct.

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Speaker 3: And and you know, it's I think it's part of

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the bigger thing is people because if their first thing

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is hitting the ball and they just can't get it

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to go where they want. But most people, if I

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hand them a potter and say here's a twenty foot

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pot I can kind of get them within a few

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seconds to get that ball moving towards the target within

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within some sort of efficiency.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 3: But the thing that they have, over a period of time,

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they have a tough thing of doing is getting their

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speed consistent. And that's a challenge that's a hard thing

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to Yeah. So so the first part is stagg is speed,

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and the next part is two feet and straight.

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Speaker 1: Okay, tell me that means well.

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Speaker 3: Two feet and straight is is you've seen. You might

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have seen this now with a lot of PGA Tour players.

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But again it's this relationship to the target concept that

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I like to share with people. If you put a

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line on your ball, and if I if I hit

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that ball, if I put that line directly at the

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top of the apex of the ball, which is directly

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on the line I want to hit it. If the

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green is relatively smooth and I make good contact in

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the direction that line is going, the ball will roll

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end over end and I'll see it. I'll see a

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direct line that's going end over end. If I've made

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a stroke where the ball is wobbly, if I haven't

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made solid contact, if my face doesn't match up to

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where my intention of that line is, then I'll see

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a wobbly line. So what I want to do is

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I want to make sure that my student make sure

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that ball is rolling end over end towards his intended target.

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If he's doing that, then there's a certain amount of

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efficiency lack of side spin with that club face in

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the target, and that's kind of what I'm after. All

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good putters do that very effectively. One of the drills

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I have that you'll see during this that I could

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show I show my students is I actually have them

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put off a three foot steel ruler, right okay, And

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I usually make it only two feet. I give him

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a foot behind the ball, and I give them two

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feet extending out with the line in the middle of

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that ruler on the ball, so that when they hit it,

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it's going to roll off that ruler and go straight

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for two feet. Because the in the end, I believe

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that every put in golf is straight.

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Speaker 1: When it leaves the club face.

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Speaker 3: No, every putt is straight. Gravity pulls it. I don't. Oh,

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So I plan to hit every put straight and I

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and I let gravity take care of itself.

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Speaker 1: And that's where the break is, right, okay.

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Speaker 3: That's where gravity and friction could be. Could be some

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grain involved, but either gravity or grain or wind could

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be a little bit of wind involved less less often

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on that issue. But I let the break happen. I

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hit it on a point that I have predetermined, and

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I hit it straight, and I let those things happen.

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And that's most people see it in straight lines. They

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don't see in curve lines. Most people see, you know, uh,

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in that sort of dimension more effectively. So I find

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that if I can get a putt a student to

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hit a putt two feet and straight, then from a

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from a mechanical standpoint, he's on track right and and

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and could we always improve our efficiency of our putt.

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I can put you on a SAM putt lab, I

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can put you on some other technology out there and

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probably find that, yeah, it could be slightly better. And

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that involves a lot of different variables in the stroke,

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the pace, in the time of your stroke, the distance,

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the speed of which you go back and forwards, the

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consistency of that, all these other things. But primarily, if

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a putt, if a guys are women, young men, old men,

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all whatever a golfer is getting that ball to roll

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end over end, then we're on the right track and

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we don't need to spend too much time there.

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Speaker 1: Oh okay, so.

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Speaker 3: Two feet and straight is a double combo. It's a

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it sort of solves, it's sort of a it's sort

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of a thermometer or or sort of a check for

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his mechanical aptitude abilities to hit the putt. But it's

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A also helping me define, helping them see it's more

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simple to hit a putt just straight and let the

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break happen.

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Speaker 1: I can't wait to get back to G and stag.

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Speaker 3: But we're up to A and now A is for

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aim right now. The fact is that it's our relationship.

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The target is often determined by our aim. But I

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have seen over the years all sorts of odd aiming

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with their body. I've seen guys stand more open. I've

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seen great putters Bobby Locke stand to look closed and

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make hit great putts.

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Speaker 1: When you say open and close, you're talking about.

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Speaker 3: Body alignment, right. But but the one thing that's pretty

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tried and true is face alignment to the intended target. Ironically,

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which I always thought was the best putters will be

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best aligned with their club face. Well, the truth is

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is that even the best putters don't aim exactly perfect

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to their line, their intended line, but by impact time

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they are perfect. Okay, But my contention is that if

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I can get my students more efficiently lined up with

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their club face to their intended line of target, they

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have a better chance of repeating a higher quality of putt.

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Speaker 1: But that's the basic truth with every club in your hand,

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correct at impact.

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Speaker 3: But you know, we're also talking with standardizing the address position,

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I don't worry too much about the aim when the

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impact is taking care of what this ball rolling end

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over end okay to my intended life. So I can

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get a guy. Oftentimes I'll get it like a higher

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you know, low handicapped tour type player, college whatever, really

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good amateur, and I'll say, hey, get this ball to

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roll end e rent, and he'll roll it end over it.

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And then we go to the aiming point and I'll

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find that at four feet he's aimed half an inch.

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I'll outside the cup on a straight pot. Well, how

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does that happen? Guess what? The brain's smarter than what

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we you know, our brain's out smartness. You know, our

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visual acuity system is working in a in a dimension

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that we don't fully understand. And that's okay, you know,

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but I find that if I can improve upon that,

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then it becomes more simple because he's making some compensation.

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If he's starting with an open club face and getting

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him back to square. Then he's making some compensation in

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his stroke that's not as simple. He's making his his

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stroke more complicated or or her stroke more complicated. I

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want to make their stroke more less complicated by starting

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off with a face that is lined up to their

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intended line. And if we can do that, and I

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show them to do that with simply with a sharpieon

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a credit card, like I showed you.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, explain that.

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Speaker 3: Well, what I do is, I like sometimes I can

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eliminate the credit card, but the credit card kind of helps.

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If if I get you, I have you line up

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without any without any aids on the ball. I get

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you to line up at a spot, say four feet

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away or five feet away, and when you're lined up,

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I remove the ball and I put a I put

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a I put a credit card up against the face

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of your putter. I have you pull away your putter,

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and then I draw a straight line across that credit

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card where your face was. And then I draw a

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ninety degree angle across that credit card. And then I

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extend that line with the other aspect which we which

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we haven't really talked about, which is a line that

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I have above the ball that extends out to about

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ten feet.

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Speaker 1: And it's about a string.

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Speaker 3: It's a string that's that's on some knitting needles. It's

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it's a spongy string that extends on a straight line.

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And I and I show you that line out to

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the hole at ten feet with the ruler underneath it.

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But I can move that line over and show them

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very quickly if I extend the I've now made a

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ninety degree angle to that credit card line I made

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with the sharpie on the green, and I've now made

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a ninety degree angle. And if that angle is not

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pointing towards the t four feet away, then we know

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you haven't lined up directly to your club face. And

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most people, I think, even you, who lined up pretty good,

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we're about a half an inch off.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that that's a really really important.

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Speaker 3: And you're a very good at line's. That's a good number, by.

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Speaker 1: The way, Well, thank you. Well, I've always marked the

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line around my ball, and I've always tried to line

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that up right, you know, with my target line. And

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then when I address the ball now I'm trying to

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be exactly my feet, my body, everything ninety degree perpendicular

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to that line.

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Speaker 3: And you see that way by the way, just a

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little footnote, not everybody sees parallel lines like effectively. So

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so Jack Nicholas used to line up a little open

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with the ball in front. He's left eye dominated. If

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I was to as a little drill that I do

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at ten feet or twelve feet, We're all take a

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dime and two dimes, and have you line up over

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one dime and tell me when I'm lined up, and

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then I put a I stand about two thirds of

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the way out there, and I put a dime in

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the middle of it, and I go, is that dime

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on a straight line to your target? That what you see?

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And they say yes, And then they stand back and

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look at it, and that dimes two feet right or

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I mean two inches right of their line because they're lying.

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People don't often see in effective straight lines. You know,

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they don't often see effectively as they think they are seeing.

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So what they actually see and what's actual reality aren't

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often the same. But what you've done, and by putting

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a straight line on the ball and using the string

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drill and using the ruler, you can kind of retrain

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yourself to see lines that are our actual straight lines

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and it's such a.

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Speaker 1: I think, a critically important drill to do for yourself,

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because you know, I mean, it blows my mind that

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people don't even stand behind the ball to make it.

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They just step up to the ball and think that

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they're lining it up. And then then then I fall

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over laughing when they you know, they hold their club

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up with their shoulders and like, okay, yeah, I'm lined up.

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It's like, you know, I was standing behind you when

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you were trying to do that. Right, You're about, you know,

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twenty two degrees away from what you're really aiming at,

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but you think you're there.

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Speaker 3: Right, you know, keep in mind that our brains has

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the optical system is an amazing and I've only touched

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a little bit on the surface of my research lately.

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But when we stand behind the put, we're looking at

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it with our eyes hopefully level to the terrain, and

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that's how we're taught to see depth, perception and things.

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But then all of sudden we get up the ball

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and now we're looking sideways. And then finally when we

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look at the ball, we're not even looking at the target, right,

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So what are we looking at and what are we doing?

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And so having these aids and training ourselves to do

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this is you'll see golf pros doing this all the time.

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That again, these are one of the things I learned

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as kid. Why why do guys put chalk line on

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the ground all the time When I was a kid, Gosh,

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they had this chalk line out there. One of the

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things I did is spent I spent a lot of

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time in motel rooms when I was traveling as a

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kid as a young man. And one thing I would

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do is I'd kind of line up. I'd put my

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rear end up against the wall. I'd find a flat

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wall in the hotel room, and i put my rear

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end up against the wall, and I'd drop a ball

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underneath my left eye, and I'd mark that spot, and

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i'd measure that spot from as a distance from the wall,

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and then i'd measure that distance down ten twelve feet away,

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and then i'd put a ball, and I'd put two

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coins down there, or a ball marker or something, and

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I are teas or something, and I would put. I

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would put my ball where I'd drop the ball underneath

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my eye, and then i'd put and so my body

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both both cheeks would be touching the wall, So now

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I'm parallel and then I'd have it over that ball,

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and I'd train my body to be parallel to my

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target and to see that line parallel to me and

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what it feels like and what it feels like to

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be in that moment. Again, golf is just a golf,

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is not around a golf. It's a collection of moments

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that equal around. So the quality of those moments equal

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the quality of the round. So how can I enhance

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the quality of that moment? Again, it's the relationship to

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my target. And again STAG is just a constant evolution

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of developing and of developing the quality of that relationship

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to that target in that moment. And keep in mind

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that we're playing this on a big piece of property

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where elevation changes and the light changes over the course

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of the day, and the weather changes, and all these

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things are constantly changing, and so it's a challenge to

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be constantly re evaluating my relationship to a target in

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spatial terms. And the air at one hundred and fifty yards,

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it's acceptable to hit it ten feet long or left,

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but it's not acceptable to hit at ten inches right.

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At twenty feet it greatly affects my round, you know,

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or even at five feet to be five inches right

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or three inches right or a half inch right. If

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I don't have the right speed, I get to use

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a lot of the whole four to quarter inches basically

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is I think a diameter of a hole. I'm thinking

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real quicker it's but right along that four point twenty

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five is the width the behole, and I get to

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use if I have the right speed, I get to

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use all of that. Right, So all these factors again,

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speed two feet in stea right, aiming four point four

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point twenty five, So I get to use all of

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that hole, right, And that's my that's my objective. What

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can I what can I maximize in this moment to

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my given abilities?

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 3: Right? That's all I'm trying to do. And now we

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get to green reading.

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Speaker 1: And now we get to the critically important element of

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this right and this is no green is flat? People

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think though it's a straight putt, there's.

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Speaker 3: Right, No sen Why aren't Why aren't fred Why aren't

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all greens flat? Irrigation correct? Why?

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Speaker 1: Because you can't have standing water on the green it'll die,

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it'll die, A and B people won't come up if

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it's raining I mean because we have a glass here,

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we have a course out here, a stone tree that

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drains incredibly well. It could rain for three weeks straight

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and it stops on Monday Tuesday. You can go out

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and play. You'll be stepping a lot of mud, but

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the greens will be in phenomenal shape.

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Speaker 3: Right now. Again, the fairways too that they've done a

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good job. But soil also helps with that too. They

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have a nice li home soil over there, but drains

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down real well. But they've done a good job at

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drainage there, and that's important. So we know that's a

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good tip. Okay, so let's look at green reading. What's

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the old fashioned way right?

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Speaker 1: Plumb?

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Speaker 3: Well, how about this? Where's the where's the water around here? Oh?

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 3: Where everything breaks to the water, Everything breaks to the

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wash and they break the ocean everything breaks to Why

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do when you're in Palm Springs? Why do they say

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everything breaks towards Indio.

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Speaker 1: Because there's a gigantic lake there.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Oh it's.

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Speaker 1: Uh called the Pacific Ocean.

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Speaker 3: No, no, no, well it was just called the Gulf

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of Mexico one time. It then became the Salt and

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Sea at some point a million years ago Uh used

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to be a great fishing place for cravina for people

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that are into sport fishing, not not so much as

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salt water fish. So is it so sort of a

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landlocked sea. But that's a body of water. So guess

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what when as time over history water receded, it was

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going towards the Gulf of Mexico. It stopped at some

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point because that was a little lower point. So things

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go that way. That's why they say Indio, which is

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an entirely correct, but that's why they're saying India.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, and I don't always buy when when they

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when they you know, the starter tells you, okay, everything

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breaks towards that mountaintop over there, and it's.

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Speaker 3: Like away from that mountain top.

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Speaker 1: Well, no, they'll tell you it breaks towards the mountains.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, there's courses of course they'll do.

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Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, I'll look at each well.

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Speaker 3: And that was okay, And why is that so from historically?

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We you know, in the old days, they kind of said, okay,

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we're going to do a routing around this golf course.

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We're gonna build a golf course, and we're going to

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move the least amount of dirt to make save the

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most amount of money and the and the technology. I mean,

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you know, you go over and play a course like

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Mona kay uh uh or which was built Robert I

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think it's a Robert Trent Jones facility built in the twenties,

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and you go, wow, what a golf course, right, And

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and you know, you look at these pictures and they

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were moving it with horses and and and you know

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they had donkeys and horses with these things attached to

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the back and that's how they move the dirt around.

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So so we're gonna let gravity do its own thing here.

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We're gonna work within that, you know, really and truthfully,

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you know, the quality of the golf course is almost

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has a good relationship the quality of ground that God

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gave you to build it. But uh and and usually

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the golf course architects objective is not to ruin that,

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you know. But but but still, the the old concept

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of moving designing greens is what are we working with

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gravity already here? Right? So? And and then also how

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do we speed up play and make golf a easier

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00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:29,079
game to play? We slant the greens from back to front.

481
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So there's another little trick right. So in the old days,

482
00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:35,640
howard greens built, they were off and often built from

483
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back to sloping from back to front, because we don't

484
00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:39,440
want the green balls to run over the green. We're

485
00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:42,119
gonna run up the green and stop right. So so

486
00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:46,039
that's that was the old way. Water gravity, What did

487
00:22:46,039 --> 00:22:47,599
God give us to deal with here? What was the

488
00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:50,039
national landscape? What was all that stuff? So that was

489
00:22:50,079 --> 00:22:53,279
the simple way. Then came along the evolution of higher

490
00:22:53,279 --> 00:22:56,119
technology of machinery being moved around the world to build

491
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golf courses, the the the advanced technology of you know,

492
00:23:02,079 --> 00:23:05,440
plotting golf courses using all sorts of technology out there,

493
00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:08,839
and so they could kind of defy you know, you

494
00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:12,440
could go to Lott's Berry Farm when I was a kid,

495
00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:14,640
would you know, show you am I uphill or am

496
00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:17,359
I downhill? Here? Right? And you'd say, well, I'm uphill.

497
00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:19,640
Now the car's going the other way or whatever, water's

498
00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:22,960
going the other way. So now the trick was, and

499
00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:25,839
I started playing golf a lot in the seventies and eighties.

500
00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:27,559
You go around the golf course and they'd have these

501
00:23:27,559 --> 00:23:30,000
little drains around the golf course, around the sides of

502
00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:31,720
the green. You go, where's that drain over there. So

503
00:23:31,799 --> 00:23:34,880
not all greens. They might be sloping up in the front,

504
00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:36,759
but in the back they might slope away from you.

505
00:23:37,319 --> 00:23:40,759
So now it's a little more difficult to read a green. Right,

506
00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:43,839
So what I mentioned is a key word there is

507
00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:49,119
slope and I mentioned some other words of gravity. Right,

508
00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:52,160
So where is this ball pulling? What is a ball

509
00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:54,880
doing on the green? It's rolling from one point to

510
00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:58,079
another in time? And how much time does it take?

511
00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:03,920
That's the ultimate question. How much time does it take?

512
00:24:04,039 --> 00:24:06,920
And at what slope is it? There's going to be

513
00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:09,359
a slope involved, and there's gonna be amount of time

514
00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:13,599
and that time is usually friction, which is slope, and

515
00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:17,920
maybe the other ingredient here. What's the speed of the green?

516
00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:21,480
How does it roll? People talk about stimp, which I'm

517
00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:23,039
not sure if most people could actually tell you what

518
00:24:23,079 --> 00:24:26,759
a stimp meter is, but it's out there, right, And

519
00:24:26,799 --> 00:24:29,359
that's a good way that the USGA will determine speed.

520
00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:31,640
If green stimp really is just a level with a

521
00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:33,240
ball attached to it. They raise it up at a

522
00:24:33,279 --> 00:24:35,400
certain height. Then when the ball rolls off, how far

523
00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:36,759
does it roll on a level surface?

524
00:24:37,559 --> 00:24:41,279
Speaker 1: So, and I've told you my own personal stamp meter, right,

525
00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:42,400
how I do this?

526
00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:42,720
Speaker 3: No?

527
00:24:43,079 --> 00:24:46,160
Speaker 1: Okay? So, and I think it was in Zen Golf

528
00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:49,480
from doctor Joseph parent. What I do is, I'll take

529
00:24:49,599 --> 00:24:52,960
three balls. I'll go to the practice putting green, and

530
00:24:53,039 --> 00:24:54,920
the first three strokes I take, I don't look at

531
00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:56,640
any hole, I don't look at anything. I have three

532
00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:58,519
balls right in front of me, and I'll just take

533
00:24:58,559 --> 00:25:02,880
my normal swing. And generally, if all goes well, i'll

534
00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:04,920
take the normal swing. All three of those balls will

535
00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:07,119
be very close to one another, if not touching one another.

536
00:25:07,839 --> 00:25:12,759
I'll walk that off, okay, and then I'll know, okay,

537
00:25:12,839 --> 00:25:16,759
that stroke on this course, that's that's four steps, okay,

538
00:25:16,799 --> 00:25:18,599
that's your stint for the good. That's my step for

539
00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:20,079
the day, so I know what its.

540
00:25:20,079 --> 00:25:21,640
Speaker 3: Somehow we did and then a level lie by the

541
00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:22,680
way fairly.

542
00:25:22,599 --> 00:25:24,839
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I'm looking for the level lie. And then

543
00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:27,200
sometimes it'll be six steps. Okay, So this green is

544
00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:29,359
a little bit faster than I'm used to. Right, So,

545
00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:31,720
my own personal STEMP met without having to ask anybody,

546
00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:33,119
it makes no sense to me.

547
00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:34,599
Speaker 3: And I would fool around with that a little bit

548
00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:36,640
because keep in mind that almost all greens aren't level

549
00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:39,200
right right, So we're usually and so this is where

550
00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:40,720
I'm going to get back to the green reading again,

551
00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:43,240
which is, you know, there's two theories out there. There's

552
00:25:43,279 --> 00:25:46,319
there's the aim point and there is the vector and

553
00:25:46,319 --> 00:25:50,720
and uh and both involved this these equations of time

554
00:25:50,799 --> 00:25:53,920
and speed and ball travel over green which involves slope

555
00:25:54,079 --> 00:25:56,839
and friction which is the speed of the green the

556
00:25:56,839 --> 00:26:00,440
stint reading. And so what what I found I found vector,

557
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:03,240
which I showed with you, is that they kind of

558
00:26:03,279 --> 00:26:08,079
divide it up into slow, medium, fast, and super fast,

559
00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:11,160
the quality of the greens, the speed of the green,

560
00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:14,480
speed of the greens, where I think game point has

561
00:26:14,559 --> 00:26:19,680
actual stimp readings. Now they both both systems give you

562
00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:21,599
a way to kind of determine what the speed of

563
00:26:21,599 --> 00:26:24,319
the green is. And both involve hitting a putt at

564
00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:27,680
ninety degrees to the to the to the actual straight

565
00:26:27,759 --> 00:26:30,559
line of the slope on that green. And so if

566
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:33,680
if I hit, if I hit, let's say I'm five

567
00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:35,160
feet and I hit a putt at the center of

568
00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:38,039
the hole and it breaks five inches below the cup,

569
00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:42,680
that might be an eight stemp. If it breaks seven inches,

570
00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:45,200
that might be a nine stemp. If it breaks ten inches,

571
00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:48,519
that might be a ten stemp, whereas vector might say

572
00:26:48,559 --> 00:26:52,119
if it breaks only five inches, that's slow, or four

573
00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:55,319
inches that's slow. If it breaks five inches or six inches.

574
00:26:55,599 --> 00:26:57,200
And that's assuming that I don't hit a putt that

575
00:26:57,200 --> 00:26:59,839
goes twelve inches past the cup. So in order to

576
00:26:59,880 --> 00:27:01,200
do this, I've got to get the putt to aim

577
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:02,519
at the center. I got to start the ball at

578
00:27:02,559 --> 00:27:05,279
the center of the cup and have it break only

579
00:27:05,279 --> 00:27:08,640
a certain amount in that five feet right, And I

580
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:10,519
keep in mind, I'm on, I'm on the I'm on

581
00:27:10,599 --> 00:27:13,279
the ninety degree angle to the slope line of the putt.

582
00:27:13,319 --> 00:27:14,279
Does that make sense to you.

583
00:27:15,759 --> 00:27:17,599
Speaker 1: Let's let's break that down a little bit more so

584
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:18,279
it does make.

585
00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:22,200
Speaker 3: Sense, okay. So just let's say let's say north is

586
00:27:22,599 --> 00:27:25,359
due north is my is my straight line putt.

587
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:26,920
Speaker 1: So that's the what you call the fall line.

588
00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:29,440
Speaker 3: Call that the fall line. Call that the straight line.

589
00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:31,799
Speaker 1: So if you were standing at that spot and just

590
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:33,440
drop the ball and let it go, it would go

591
00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:34,640
right towards the hole.

592
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:37,359
Speaker 3: That's and assuming the hole is on my fall line,

593
00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:38,960
we can use the hole on the font. In this case,

594
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:40,359
we don't even need a hole to find the speed.

595
00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:42,200
But let's say the hole is there. We put a

596
00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:44,440
hole there, and that's my fall line for this putt.

597
00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:46,400
That's getting a little ahead of this conversation. But that's fine.

598
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:48,759
I'm sorry, that's okay. No, it's good. It's good. But

599
00:27:48,799 --> 00:27:50,519
it is part of the process. So if I'm just

600
00:27:50,559 --> 00:27:52,680
doing speed, I don't need a hole there. But it

601
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:54,920
would just be a straight put that roll the ball

602
00:27:55,039 --> 00:27:57,839
rolls straight along that line. And let's say it rolls

603
00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:00,079
straight from north to south. Let's say that is a

604
00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:03,240
straight line on this putt. Then due east and due

605
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:06,920
west would be ninety degrees to that fall line. So

606
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:10,000
if I if I dropped a ball five feet from

607
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:12,319
that fall line, that straight line, and putted it at

608
00:28:12,319 --> 00:28:15,599
the center of that that ninety gree angle, and it

609
00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:17,680
broke only four or five inches, then that might be

610
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:20,160
a slow green. If it broke seven or eight inches,

611
00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:22,599
that might be a medium spreed green. If that broke,

612
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:25,359
say ten or eleven inches, and it doesn't roll more

613
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:27,240
than it gets to the hole, but it doesn't roll

614
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:30,240
more than twelve inches past the cup, then there's there's

615
00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:33,200
some free wheeling here. But within within a distant within

616
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:34,960
a way, I can arrive at what the speed of

617
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:37,319
this green is or the speed of this at least

618
00:28:37,319 --> 00:28:39,480
this putting green, and apply that to the rest of

619
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:40,160
the golf course.

620
00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:43,599
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, because here's the issue with that, right, You

621
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:45,599
can't walk up to a green while you're playing and

622
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:47,480
go I need to I need to drop a couple

623
00:28:47,559 --> 00:28:50,200
balls here to see what this line and then right.

624
00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:53,279
Speaker 3: But but we do need we do need this information

625
00:28:53,559 --> 00:28:56,839
to use these mathematical algorithms which I'm going to get

626
00:28:56,839 --> 00:28:59,000
into here in a second, to give our green readings

627
00:28:59,039 --> 00:29:03,200
some sustenance. Right, what you gave is a very personal

628
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:06,200
relationship which I highly admire, and I actually teach a

629
00:29:06,279 --> 00:29:09,000
very similar system to help a player arrive at how

630
00:29:09,039 --> 00:29:12,559
hard he should hit each putt. So, given what my

631
00:29:12,759 --> 00:29:15,279
I usually use, my feed is my barometer, and what

632
00:29:15,319 --> 00:29:17,480
my given stance is my comfortable stance. And if I

633
00:29:17,519 --> 00:29:19,279
take a putter outside of the back of my right

634
00:29:19,279 --> 00:29:21,119
foot and take it that same distance through, how far

635
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:23,279
does my ball roll? So I know if that ball

636
00:29:23,359 --> 00:29:25,519
roll is fifteen feet, that's my fifteen foot putt for

637
00:29:25,559 --> 00:29:25,839
the day.

638
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:29,160
Speaker 1: Oh wow, a subtlety that I hadn't even thought of.

639
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:30,319
That makes total sense.

640
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:33,000
Speaker 3: Okay, So that's how I help my students relate to

641
00:29:33,039 --> 00:29:35,359
their speed for that golf course for the day. But

642
00:29:35,599 --> 00:29:37,400
now we're getting into the green reading, which is an

643
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:40,640
important factor because in the green reading again, we're talking

644
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:42,720
about three major areas. What's the speed of my putt

645
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:46,200
and what's the slope of my putt? Right? And if

646
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:49,559
there's any subtle grain might be another issue to this putt,

647
00:29:49,839 --> 00:29:52,799
and like maybe even when again is a more remote issue.

648
00:29:52,839 --> 00:29:54,440
But these are the issues that I'm going to deal

649
00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:58,359
with in hitting my putt right speed right again, We're

650
00:29:58,359 --> 00:30:01,759
gonna talk about am am I efficiently aiming? Am I

651
00:30:01,799 --> 00:30:05,400
efficiently making a ball to roll end over end two feet?

652
00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:08,079
And straights? AM efficiently aiming? Now? How do I read

653
00:30:08,119 --> 00:30:10,319
the green? So how do I read the green? Is

654
00:30:10,319 --> 00:30:13,319
as I decide what the what the speed of this

655
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:16,680
green is? Slow? Medium, or fast or super fast? And

656
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:18,599
then I look at my little chart which I have.

657
00:30:19,079 --> 00:30:20,720
But what I did for you is I broke it

658
00:30:20,759 --> 00:30:22,559
down in which I do for all my beginning students,

659
00:30:22,599 --> 00:30:25,240
that even my advanced students, I give them the most

660
00:30:25,359 --> 00:30:28,240
basic principle. We assume that all greens are two degrees

661
00:30:29,759 --> 00:30:33,599
two degrees of slow of slope, Okay, which quite frankly

662
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:37,400
is probably true, okay, on an average, but.

663
00:30:37,319 --> 00:30:41,279
Speaker 1: What and then and so wait to the whole two

664
00:30:41,279 --> 00:30:44,200
degrees around two degrees? Yes, I know when you have

665
00:30:44,279 --> 00:30:45,160
multi level greens.

666
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:47,240
Speaker 3: Right, I'm looking at the hole. I'm standing around the cup,

667
00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:49,160
because keep in mind, the last ten feet of my

668
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:51,200
cup are the most important. Last ten feet of my

669
00:30:51,279 --> 00:30:54,359
putt are the most important aspects, or five feet in

670
00:30:54,359 --> 00:30:57,240
my putt if anyway, Yeah, as the ball slows down,

671
00:30:57,279 --> 00:30:59,599
that's when gravity has its bigger effect. So when I

672
00:30:59,599 --> 00:31:02,079
got a foot pot, the first fifteen or twenty feet

673
00:31:02,079 --> 00:31:04,799
of that are important, but not as a massively important

674
00:31:04,799 --> 00:31:07,440
to the to the slope. The most important areas that

675
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:12,839
sloping area around the whole. Right, So for the intents

676
00:31:12,839 --> 00:31:15,160
and purposes I do did with you this day was

677
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:17,519
I said, we're going to assume today that every put

678
00:31:17,599 --> 00:31:19,799
you hit today has a two degree slope to it,

679
00:31:20,039 --> 00:31:22,880
not two degrees two percent. So we're gonna assume that

680
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:25,759
everything's two percent. And if I do that on a

681
00:31:25,799 --> 00:31:29,720
medium speed green, then for every foot that I put,

682
00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:32,200
there's going to be one inch of break up to

683
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:33,319
about twenty five feet.

684
00:31:39,519 --> 00:31:40,000
Speaker 1: Repeat it.

685
00:31:40,599 --> 00:31:44,960
Speaker 3: If I assume that there's two percent slope on this putt.

686
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:49,160
On every putt that I hit, one inch of break

687
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:52,160
equals one foot of putt. So if I have a

688
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:55,680
twenty foot put depending on what where, and depending on

689
00:31:55,720 --> 00:32:00,279
my relationship to that fall line or that straight line,

690
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:04,680
then I'm going to have twenty inches of an aim

691
00:32:04,759 --> 00:32:09,160
point differential. So what that means is I place my

692
00:32:09,279 --> 00:32:15,400
aim point twenty inches above the hole, and then I

693
00:32:15,039 --> 00:32:20,000
I find that I put my my aim and maybe

694
00:32:20,039 --> 00:32:24,079
I shouldn't be using aim point but target, my aim target,

695
00:32:24,359 --> 00:32:29,559
my my my point of reference, my definition destination. I

696
00:32:29,759 --> 00:32:32,319
set that twenty inches above the hole from a twenty

697
00:32:32,319 --> 00:32:35,240
foot putt, and then I'm wherever I move around that

698
00:32:35,359 --> 00:32:38,440
cup within twenty feet, that's going to be my constant

699
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:44,640
aiming on my aiming target. Right, So every put I'm

700
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:45,759
going to hit it straight.

701
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:48,799
Speaker 1: To that spot, to that spot.

702
00:32:49,119 --> 00:32:51,599
Speaker 3: Let gravity take it. If I have a ten foot putt,

703
00:32:52,079 --> 00:32:56,920
it's ten inches. Now if the green is fast rather

704
00:32:57,000 --> 00:33:00,519
than medium. I have a chart that will show you

705
00:33:00,559 --> 00:33:04,680
what that actual point of reference might be that's on

706
00:33:04,799 --> 00:33:07,000
that fall line, and it's always going to be above

707
00:33:07,039 --> 00:33:09,799
the hole, by the way, right, So that point never

708
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:12,480
changes in space. It always stays above the hole.

709
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:14,079
Speaker 1: Can I have the chart?

710
00:33:14,519 --> 00:33:14,839
Speaker 3: Yes?

711
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:15,960
Speaker 1: Is it online?

712
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:20,359
Speaker 3: No? Come see John Grund or come see a vector

713
00:33:20,559 --> 00:33:24,319
green reading instructor near you. There are many out there.

714
00:33:24,599 --> 00:33:27,400
Speaker 1: So there's no PDF or something that's the chart that

715
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:27,960
we can.

716
00:33:28,559 --> 00:33:30,640
Speaker 3: Not right now online they asked. They asked you to

717
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:33,880
go to see a aime point specialist. I'm a vectory

718
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:37,880
green reading specialist to get this. You and I might

719
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:39,759
have a relationship with this could be worked out.

720
00:33:41,599 --> 00:33:42,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I don't want to be I don't. I

721
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:44,240
would love to get You've already.

722
00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:46,000
Speaker 3: Done a thirty minute session and we talked about it briefly.

723
00:33:46,039 --> 00:33:47,160
But get into the chart.

724
00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:50,319
Speaker 1: No, no, we didn't. But but just that information alone

725
00:33:50,359 --> 00:33:53,240
about the one inch per one foot, Yeah, it was

726
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:54,440
a huge help for me.

727
00:33:54,559 --> 00:33:56,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, because because here's what I did for you

728
00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:59,400
in that thirty minutes, and let's sum this up real briefly.

729
00:34:00,079 --> 00:34:02,359
Is I established for you the four basic areas that

730
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:09,880
every good putter does effectively. One, they establish the proper

731
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:13,599
speed for in time that they want the ball to roll.

732
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:16,079
This is important to think about speed and time because

733
00:34:16,079 --> 00:34:17,840
if I have a ball below the hole that's twenty

734
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:19,719
feet and the ball that's above the hole twenty feet

735
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:22,480
and we both putt at the same time. Whose ball

736
00:34:22,519 --> 00:34:23,880
gets to the hole first.

737
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:27,559
Speaker 1: Ball below the ball and ball above the hole at

738
00:34:27,559 --> 00:34:30,000
twenty feet I would And if they both get to

739
00:34:30,039 --> 00:34:32,719
the hole, yes, I would say the guy going uphill

740
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:33,880
because he has to hit it harder.

741
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:36,840
Speaker 3: Absolutely correct. You're one out of a hundred that will

742
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:38,440
say that. But that's absolutely true.

743
00:34:38,599 --> 00:34:41,800
Speaker 1: So you think the tragical thing is to go, oh, well,

744
00:34:42,079 --> 00:34:43,639
one going downhill, because it's right.

745
00:34:44,159 --> 00:34:46,440
Speaker 3: So keep in mind, and these algorithms are based upon

746
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:49,159
the time at which the ball travels.

747
00:34:49,559 --> 00:34:53,280
Speaker 1: And anybody ever think about, oh, that took seven seconds.

748
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:55,760
Speaker 3: All great putters do, really, but they do it in

749
00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:56,280
their brain.

750
00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:58,760
Speaker 1: They don't. It's not conscious. It's just that.

751
00:34:58,599 --> 00:35:00,880
Speaker 3: They It's like I, you know, I once gave a

752
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:02,679
lesson putting lesson to Jerry West.

753
00:35:03,159 --> 00:35:03,400
Speaker 2: Wow.

754
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:06,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, because I was the assistant golf coach at UCLA,

755
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:09,400
which it required me being assistant pro at Beller Country Club,

756
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:12,840
and so he he had we'd played once or twice before,

757
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:14,280
and he knew that I was a pretty good putter.

758
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:15,679
And by the way, he was a very good player,

759
00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:20,800
especially in his younger days, and rapidly took to golf

760
00:35:20,639 --> 00:35:24,159
after finishing his professional basketball career as a player full time,

761
00:35:24,599 --> 00:35:26,480
which is a footnote. Let me just because I hung

762
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:28,599
around a lot of Laker guys in those days, and

763
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:31,079
nobody wanted to play Jerry West at the age of

764
00:35:31,079 --> 00:35:33,039
fifteen Horse. I don't care who you were. I don't

765
00:35:33,039 --> 00:35:35,000
care if you were Magic Johnson. You just didn't play

766
00:35:35,079 --> 00:35:36,960
Jerry West at Horse. He'd beat you.

767
00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:39,079
Speaker 1: Well he was, mister, he was.

768
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:42,199
Speaker 3: He was also a very good golfer and a really

769
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:44,280
good putter, but he was struggling with some putty for

770
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:45,719
some reason. So he comes out to see me for

771
00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:47,920
a putty lesson, and I'm thinking, I'm panicked. What am

772
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:50,119
I going to call Jerry West for pudding? I mean,

773
00:35:50,159 --> 00:35:52,519
this guy, you know, he's rock solid, you know. And

774
00:35:52,599 --> 00:35:54,599
so I got thinking about it, and I'm standing there

775
00:35:54,599 --> 00:35:58,920
watching this putting stroke and I'm going, well, that that's

776
00:35:59,039 --> 00:36:02,679
that's perfect, that's a great putty stroke. Yeah. But if

777
00:36:02,679 --> 00:36:06,679
they're not going in, I said, well, okay, it's golf. Yeah.

778
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:09,880
Well I wanted to say that, but that's not that's

779
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:11,360
not what you well, that's why chill anybody, you know,

780
00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:13,920
they're they're expecting some help here. So I'm watching him,

781
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:15,039
and I said, well, mister.

782
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:17,239
Speaker 1: West, what did you really call him?

783
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:20,199
Speaker 3: Mister West? Yeah? Well yeah, I said, mister West, what

784
00:36:20,199 --> 00:36:25,000
do you what do you see? Uh? What do you

785
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:27,159
what's going on here? And he goes, well, I don't know,

786
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:31,079
And well, of course he has no idea. One day

787
00:36:31,079 --> 00:36:34,119
I was sitting in his backyard and at a barbecue,

788
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:37,960
and he was casually shooting baskets one handed while he

789
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:40,159
was flipping burgers, and he switched about twenty in a

790
00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:43,159
row from a baseline jumper that was slightly behind the basket,

791
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:46,199
and and and nobody in the family said a darn

792
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:49,360
thing like that could actually happen. He's like, that was

793
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:52,599
just auto that was an autopilot all the time, right.

794
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:56,320
And so I know that what he does is part

795
00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:59,559
of his innate talent to relate to his target right

796
00:37:00,119 --> 00:37:02,440
a period of time, and and so I asked him,

797
00:37:02,599 --> 00:37:04,000
so I'm trying to think, how is he relating to

798
00:37:04,039 --> 00:37:05,760
the target or what's going on? What's going on? So

799
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:08,280
I finally said, well, what do you see when you

800
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:13,400
shoot a basket? And he goes, well, you know, I

801
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:15,840
I sometimes I get a look at the basket. I

802
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:17,800
just kind of know where it is. I get a

803
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:20,360
feel for it. I I just you know, and and

804
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:23,679
you know, maybe I'm looking, maybe I'm not. Somebody's saying,

805
00:37:25,199 --> 00:37:28,199
I go, well, what do you see when you're making

806
00:37:28,199 --> 00:37:31,559
this plot? He goes, well, I don't know. I said, well,

807
00:37:31,599 --> 00:37:34,639
let's pick out a specific let's see this ball roll.

808
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:37,559
I said, can you see the ball that? Can you

809
00:37:37,599 --> 00:37:39,719
see the dimples of the ball as they're rolling into

810
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:43,920
the hole. Now that's a tall order. I wouldn't ask normally, guys,

811
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:46,480
but I'm guessing Jerry West's vision is probably pretty darn good.

812
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:48,199
Speaker 1: He can probably count the dimples.

813
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:52,519
Speaker 3: It's all the revolutions, right, So I'm thinking, so I'm thinking,

814
00:37:52,519 --> 00:37:54,239
you know, this is good. I got to get him

815
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:57,480
to so suddenly going okay, let's do that cur plunk

816
00:37:57,519 --> 00:38:00,199
KerPlunk ker plunk ker plunk about can you make ten

817
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:04,360
in a row? And our lesson was done and he said, thanks, John,

818
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:07,760
that's great, And I never really you know, that was it.

819
00:38:08,039 --> 00:38:11,360
So the question was is visually he I needed to

820
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:14,199
see him in real time what was going on between

821
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:17,239
him and the target. So what good putters do is

822
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:20,840
they see the ball in real time rolling towards their target.

823
00:38:21,559 --> 00:38:25,400
And it's a challenge. It's a challenge, right, right, that's

824
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:28,719
a challenge. So that's that's a that's a massive So

825
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:32,480
the speed is is everything right and and be relating

826
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:34,519
to that speed and real time is part of this

827
00:38:34,559 --> 00:38:39,599
bigger equation in the speed of putting. Wow, right, I

828
00:38:39,599 --> 00:38:42,039
mean it is and so how we do that? You know,

829
00:38:42,119 --> 00:38:44,360
and and it takes you know, if you play a

830
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:46,119
good round of golf. I know, for me, I'm pretty

831
00:38:46,119 --> 00:38:48,800
emotionally drained after it, you know, especially if it's around

832
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:52,079
that has a has a gravity to it of some sort,

833
00:38:52,119 --> 00:38:53,760
you know, in a tournament of some sort, in the

834
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:55,840
last round maybe or qualifying or something.

835
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:57,559
Speaker 1: Well, I mean that's a whole nother discussion. But that's

836
00:38:57,599 --> 00:39:01,840
why that's what makes Sundays, especially a major so difficult,

837
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:04,760
right because it's just mentally exhausting.

838
00:39:05,119 --> 00:39:07,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, because it's mentally exhausting because they need to they

839
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:11,719
need to. It's very the result is so more the

840
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:15,400
lack of result is such more more tangible, and the

841
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:18,280
need to stay in the moment becomes much more challenging.

842
00:39:19,519 --> 00:39:26,000
Speaker 1: Right Well, listen, uh, I'm testimony. It works for me.

843
00:39:26,199 --> 00:39:28,320
Speaker 3: Okay, good, it definitely works for me. I mean, it's fun,

844
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:30,679
and then you know, practicing this way and then my

845
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:33,639
little system is fun because it gives me. And you'll

846
00:39:33,639 --> 00:39:35,280
see guys. If you go to tour events, you'll see

847
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:37,320
guys and women and they all use little tools now

848
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:39,400
to practice with. Whether it's my string above the ball,

849
00:39:39,599 --> 00:39:41,800
the string above the ball, or or a ruler, or

850
00:39:42,079 --> 00:39:44,119
or a chalk line or some other tool. They're using

851
00:39:44,199 --> 00:39:47,159
different tools. Tiger has his gate droll with two t's.

852
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:50,280
We're all building better relationships to the target. That's what

853
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:52,960
people do. That's what golf pros do. They better. They're

854
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:55,519
building better relationship with the target. And it's all involved

855
00:39:55,519 --> 00:39:57,960
with speed, how they're aiming the ball, getting the ball

856
00:39:58,000 --> 00:39:59,960
to roll where they wanted to go, and reading the green.

857
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:02,480
And that's really what STAG is all about. And when

858
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:04,599
you get involved in those four areas, you will become

859
00:40:04,639 --> 00:40:06,280
a better putter. And if I give you the tools

860
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:08,599
to do that, then I feel like I've accomplished something

861
00:40:08,599 --> 00:40:09,599
as a coach and a teacher.

862
00:40:15,599 --> 00:40:18,880
Speaker 1: It's interesting because I know someone who was trained in

863
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:22,000
aim point and just fell in love with it, thought

864
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:25,679
it was awesome, and then a few months later I

865
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:29,480
was gonna be interviewing the guy from am Point Sweeney

866
00:40:29,639 --> 00:40:32,039
and I called him, I said, you did aim point right.

867
00:40:32,079 --> 00:40:32,719
Speaker 3: Are you still doing it?

868
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:35,400
Speaker 1: And he goes, not so much. It was too much

869
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:38,440
work to do it on every putt and taking out

870
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:40,679
the chart and blah blah blah. Yeah, but this is

871
00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:44,320
the kind of thing that even with STAG or vector

872
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:48,480
or whatever we're gonna call this, you don't just figure

873
00:40:48,519 --> 00:40:50,920
it out once and you're done. You really have to

874
00:40:51,079 --> 00:40:52,639
work on this for a while. I mean, you have

875
00:40:52,679 --> 00:40:53,599
to always work on it.

876
00:40:53,679 --> 00:40:55,199
Speaker 3: You have to always work on it. And that's why

877
00:40:55,199 --> 00:41:00,360
I develop STAG is you know, repetition, you know is

878
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:05,559
at the core of most success stories, you know, I mean,

879
00:41:05,599 --> 00:41:05,960
it just.

880
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:10,239
Speaker 1: Is so practice practice, right.

881
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:12,480
Speaker 3: It gets your ten thousand hour Malcolm, glad, we'll get

882
00:41:12,519 --> 00:41:14,400
your ten thousand hours and whatever. We can all go

883
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:20,599
down those lists and and so by using this system

884
00:41:21,199 --> 00:41:24,000
and including the green reading in with it, you're always

885
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:27,599
involving yourself in an aspect of what successful people do

886
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:32,159
that putt well. And and uh, that's that's a challenge,

887
00:41:32,199 --> 00:41:34,800
and it's it's it's part of the game. And if

888
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:36,400
you neglect it, if you know, if you if you

889
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:37,920
want to go ostrich on it and put your head

890
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:41,320
in the sand and say it doesn't exist. Then you're

891
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:43,320
going to be one of those people that don't get

892
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:46,920
to play golf to your best ability. And and and

893
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:48,159
and you know it's interesting if you look at the

894
00:41:48,199 --> 00:41:51,119
demographics of golfers. Guess what we're We're getting a little

895
00:41:51,119 --> 00:41:54,360
bit older. Yes we are okay, and and uh, I

896
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:56,360
wish we had more kids and more women come into

897
00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:58,280
the game. But we're struggling there and we need to

898
00:41:58,280 --> 00:41:59,760
do a better job of it. Of course as golf

899
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:03,840
perfesstionals and friends that play golf, getting people involved in

900
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:06,800
the game. But you know what, we may not be

901
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:09,880
able to hit the ball as far. But as a putter,

902
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:13,159
and I will say this that good putters are physically fit.

903
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:16,800
And there is a reason why it takes why Tiger

904
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:20,119
Woods makes twelve footers on the seventy first hole to

905
00:42:20,199 --> 00:42:23,159
win major championships because he's better fit. So one of

906
00:42:23,159 --> 00:42:24,960
the tough things to do is when you're really excited

907
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:28,239
and you're really pumped up, is to stay still. And

908
00:42:28,679 --> 00:42:32,920
so being core fit is a good thing. But anybody

909
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:35,079
can get involved in these four areas, fit or not

910
00:42:35,199 --> 00:42:37,719
fit and become a better putter. And like I said

911
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:41,039
earlier in this program, the USGA tells you right up front,

912
00:42:41,039 --> 00:42:42,119
it's fifty percent of the game.

913
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:42,679
Speaker 1: Yeah.

914
00:42:43,199 --> 00:42:46,159
Speaker 3: So and really, you know, there's a there's an old

915
00:42:46,159 --> 00:42:49,480
saying a multipude, a multitude of sins can be made

916
00:42:49,559 --> 00:42:52,039
up for with a ten foot made putt, right. I mean,

917
00:42:52,079 --> 00:42:53,400
you know, you can do a lot of things between

918
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:54,679
that tea and green, but if you make a ten

919
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:57,280
or fifteen footer, all's forgiven, right, and you move on

920
00:42:57,320 --> 00:43:00,239
to the next hole. And quite frankly, and I I

921
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:04,840
tell some of my competitive kids that that, you know,

922
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:10,480
that par save or bogie save emotionally is maybe more

923
00:43:10,519 --> 00:43:12,639
important than that three foot birdy put in a par

924
00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:15,679
five because a lot of times you struggle on a

925
00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:17,559
hole and it becomes not a hole, It just becomes

926
00:43:17,599 --> 00:43:20,800
an odyssey. It becomes Oh, I hit it in the

927
00:43:21,079 --> 00:43:22,920
crud and I yacked it out and I got it

928
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:24,360
up in front of the green. I got this tough

929
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:26,039
pitch shot and I, oh, it was so tough, and

930
00:43:26,079 --> 00:43:28,159
I got it up there fifteen feet and I made

931
00:43:28,199 --> 00:43:30,320
the putt.

932
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:34,119
Speaker 4: Ah, you know, it's like pretty sure, was you go ahead?

933
00:43:34,119 --> 00:43:37,000
I'm sorry that moment, that moment like, oh, now I

934
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:38,760
can go to the and I got all this burden

935
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:40,199
lifted off me, and I go to the next hole

936
00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:41,800
and I rip one down the center of the fairway,

937
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:43,519
and man, we're off and running again.

938
00:43:43,639 --> 00:43:46,000
Speaker 1: You know, Yeah, I was saying, I think I'm fairly

939
00:43:46,039 --> 00:43:49,239
certain it was you that told me that hitting sinking

940
00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:52,519
a fifteen foot putt, twenty foot putt or longer is

941
00:43:52,679 --> 00:43:55,280
much more exciting the hitting ball in the fairway or

942
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:57,239
hitting it farther than you've ever hit it. I mean,

943
00:43:57,239 --> 00:44:00,960
that's exciting, that's fun, but it's still there's nothing like that.

944
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:06,079
Speaker 3: It's pretty such that goes. I mean, you know, the

945
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:09,000
distance isn't you know, it's a little bit of a

946
00:44:09,039 --> 00:44:12,000
longer discussion, but distance is kind of a god given talent.

947
00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:14,159
I'm not sure it's like teaching somebody to run a

948
00:44:14,199 --> 00:44:16,480
nine to one hundred. You either can run and run

949
00:44:16,519 --> 00:44:18,400
on in the nines at some point in your life

950
00:44:18,519 --> 00:44:21,119
because you or you can't. It's like slam dunk, and

951
00:44:21,159 --> 00:44:23,199
even just slam dunk. It's you know, you don't just

952
00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:24,920
wake up of monks. Oh I'm gonna go slam dunk.

953
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:27,840
It's kind of a genetic thing. Now you can maximize

954
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:30,280
it and be more efficient and get all more efficient.

955
00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:32,440
Hit a little bit f but thirty foot putt. I

956
00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:34,440
can get somebody's never hit a thirty foot put before

957
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:36,760
and get him to make a thirty footer. And there's

958
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:40,480
the exciting thing for everybody out there listening. You know,

959
00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:43,880
you can learn to be a better putter. You can.

960
00:44:44,199 --> 00:44:49,559
I mean, it's a learnable behavior, interesting behavior, right, it's

961
00:44:49,599 --> 00:44:53,880
a learnable behavior, and and and it it is a behavior,

962
00:44:54,199 --> 00:44:58,559
and it requires some discipline, It requires some functional behavior

963
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:03,840
patterns to do it consistently good, because we can all

964
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:06,440
do it randomly good right to a certain extent. But

965
00:45:06,519 --> 00:45:10,599
to do it consistently well takes what I think some

966
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:14,360
behavior learning process or processes or whatever you want to

967
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:16,760
call it, if that's the right word. But it does.

968
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:19,519
And that's that's I find fun. And I've spent all life,

969
00:45:20,159 --> 00:45:22,960
you know, sort of a forty eight years of golf now,

970
00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:28,599
a lot of time chasing that elusiveness and trying to

971
00:45:28,599 --> 00:45:29,559
make it less elusive.

972
00:45:30,639 --> 00:45:34,000
Speaker 1: Well, I had so many notes about things I wanted

973
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:36,519
to talk to you about on this recording session. But

974
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:40,360
luckily you live close enough that we can do this again, okay,

975
00:45:40,559 --> 00:45:42,960
because I wanted to talk about, you know, with your

976
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:46,519
experience on the tour, playing professionally, working with pros, talk

977
00:45:46,519 --> 00:45:49,280
about the anchored putter situation and all the controversy that's

978
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:53,920
going on there and how that impacts the average golfer.

979
00:45:54,039 --> 00:45:59,000
Oh yeah, and then get into the bifurcation conversation or

980
00:45:59,039 --> 00:46:02,119
even you know, Lead Jansen being d q'ed this past

981
00:46:02,599 --> 00:46:04,800
the other day for wearing metal spot. I mean, there's

982
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:06,960
so many different things right now that are like, really,

983
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:09,679
is that is it that important? You know to go

984
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:11,719
over the bell. We'll do that another time, but I

985
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:14,760
do before we finish, there was something you said before

986
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:16,480
we started recording that I want to get you to

987
00:46:16,559 --> 00:46:22,239
repeat because it's so critically important to every golfer to

988
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:26,760
know this. Because you said, what there are three things

989
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:28,519
that it takes to be a better golfer, and you

990
00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:31,880
just summed it up so easily, and I think this

991
00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:33,119
should be our closing comment.

992
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:36,000
Speaker 3: Okay, Well, the first thing is get the ball in

993
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:38,960
the fairway, and the next thing is has become more

994
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:42,400
efficient at chipping and become more efficient at putting, and

995
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:45,440
and those are three very manageable areas I mean they

996
00:46:45,679 --> 00:46:48,239
don't require you know, you know what the you know

997
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:51,760
what the trouble is a little bit is that those

998
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:56,639
things don't sell equipment, equipment, and so we're bombarded. They

999
00:46:56,639 --> 00:46:59,320
don't sell magazines really, I mean they do kind of,

1000
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:01,639
but do I really you know, yeah, I'll look at

1001
00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:03,480
you know, it's become a little more interesting now because

1002
00:47:03,519 --> 00:47:07,320
the pros have made it so so relevant to their success.

1003
00:47:07,519 --> 00:47:10,360
You know, you've got putting coaches now, You've got short

1004
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:12,880
game coaches now, and so these guys are you know,

1005
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:16,239
and they and they and you know, but you know, really,

1006
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:19,880
do I need a new wedge or do I need

1007
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:21,199
twenty extra yards off the team?

1008
00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:23,280
Speaker 1: I got a call from a friend of mine yesterday.

1009
00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:26,320
His wife golf me, and she goes. He said, he

1010
00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:29,360
wants a new driver and and so I'm calling to

1011
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:32,079
get a recommendation from you. And I said, you know,

1012
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:33,719
you don't want to hear this from me, but a

1013
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:36,039
driver is not what he needs, right, Yeah, that's not

1014
00:47:36,079 --> 00:47:37,559
going to change his game that much.

1015
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:40,000
Speaker 3: You know, I'll sum this up. Years ago, I had

1016
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:42,960
the opportunity to spend a little bit of time with

1017
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:47,079
Phil Rodgers, who's a notable golf instructor, short game man,

1018
00:47:47,119 --> 00:47:50,079
and was a great player in his own right, one

1019
00:47:50,119 --> 00:47:52,079
on the PGA tour. I think had an opportunity once

1020
00:47:52,119 --> 00:47:54,760
to win the British Open and didn't, might have won

1021
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:58,280
a US amateur, competed well as an amateur, was a

1022
00:47:59,639 --> 00:48:03,840
friend and mutual respected golfer by Jack Nicholas, and actually

1023
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:06,280
spent some time in Jack's later career helping him with

1024
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:09,119
a short game, and I think might have been partially

1025
00:48:09,119 --> 00:48:14,519
responsible for his eighty six Masters win. But Phil was

1026
00:48:14,559 --> 00:48:16,320
a disciple of Paul Running, a man who I had

1027
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:18,960
an opportunity to spend a lot of time with later.

1028
00:48:19,039 --> 00:48:21,639
But before this happened, I was working one summer at

1029
00:48:21,639 --> 00:48:23,800
a driving range in San Diego at an old place

1030
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:26,960
called Stardust, which I think is called Riverwalk and twenty

1031
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:30,079
seven holes in the Heartland, and it was Scott Simpson's hangout.

1032
00:48:30,119 --> 00:48:31,840
It was a bunch of wonderful golfers. Had spent a

1033
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:33,559
lot of time there in my day with Scott Simpson.

1034
00:48:33,599 --> 00:48:36,920
And there's a plthora of great players, most of which

1035
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:38,760
your viewers may not have heard of, but they were

1036
00:48:39,079 --> 00:48:40,440
very good at their own right. Spend a lot of

1037
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:42,599
time at start ups. Phil Rodgers was one of those players,

1038
00:48:42,639 --> 00:48:45,880
and he taught there. And I had a very lowly

1039
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:49,320
job of picking up range balls on the driving range.

1040
00:48:49,639 --> 00:48:51,400
I say lonely because it's usually late at night or

1041
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:55,000
early in the morning. But I would watch Phil and

1042
00:48:55,199 --> 00:48:57,039
he had a program in those days where as a coach,

1043
00:48:57,079 --> 00:48:58,840
he would charge you a certain fee for certain amount

1044
00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:01,400
of months and help you improve your game. And I

1045
00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:05,000
rarely saw him on the driving range. And yet these guys,

1046
00:49:05,559 --> 00:49:07,639
mostly men, were lined up to write them a check

1047
00:49:07,679 --> 00:49:09,400
to get better at golf. And he said, I'll get

1048
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:11,599
you better, and if I don't, you get yours a

1049
00:49:11,599 --> 00:49:14,880
proportion of your money back, right, And so guys would

1050
00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:16,239
sign up all day long. And this is you know,

1051
00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:18,400
in the late seventies, guys going down there, spending good

1052
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:20,480
money with this gentleman to do this. So I asked

1053
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:23,039
them one day, I said, mister Rogers, got to ask you,

1054
00:49:23,159 --> 00:49:25,519
what's the secret of your success? I mean, how do

1055
00:49:25,519 --> 00:49:28,039
you get these guys get better at golf? And he said, John,

1056
00:49:28,039 --> 00:49:30,559
It's pretty simple, he said, I reduced the amount of

1057
00:49:30,559 --> 00:49:32,480
spin off the tee. So I usually give them a

1058
00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:35,280
more lofted club get I get the ball in the

1059
00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:38,880
fairway rule number one, less side spin. I said, once

1060
00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:41,079
I get him near the green, I get them not

1061
00:49:41,119 --> 00:49:43,119
to chili dip, I get them hit them. I get

1062
00:49:43,119 --> 00:49:45,119
them to hit the ball first and make better contact

1063
00:49:45,119 --> 00:49:47,000
with their short game and get the ball going at

1064
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:50,480
their target more effectively. That said, I get them out

1065
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:52,440
of bunkers. I get them get the ball, get them

1066
00:49:52,519 --> 00:49:54,199
get the ball elevated, and have a little bit of

1067
00:49:54,199 --> 00:49:56,920
control over it what they're doing. So I improve their

1068
00:49:56,920 --> 00:49:59,159
wedge game around the green, and I help them not

1069
00:49:59,199 --> 00:50:02,760
to hit the three putt, and and I increase their

1070
00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:05,480
five footer their makes of their five footers. So I

1071
00:50:05,559 --> 00:50:07,320
get them to hit it more solid around the short

1072
00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:09,519
game area with the intention of where the ball wants

1073
00:50:09,559 --> 00:50:11,400
to go, and I get the ball on the fairway.

1074
00:50:11,719 --> 00:50:14,360
And and really, what what's itering about that is if

1075
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:16,400
you look at practice facilities around the country for the

1076
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:19,639
average player, they're just not designed to do that. And

1077
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:24,039
no one's really selling that because how does that sell?

1078
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:25,519
Speaker 1: Right?

1079
00:50:25,559 --> 00:50:27,079
Speaker 3: You know? I mean it does a little bit if

1080
00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:30,119
success sells. Yeah, yeah, if you go to Dave Pels.

1081
00:50:30,159 --> 00:50:32,519
But but but you know, and you spend some time,

1082
00:50:32,559 --> 00:50:34,360
maybe you spend some time with me and and you

1083
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:36,039
see the light. But you've got to buy into it.

1084
00:50:36,079 --> 00:50:39,079
You've got to buy into that concept, you know. And

1085
00:50:39,119 --> 00:50:42,360
so I just asked your listeners to how many just

1086
00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:44,679
start tickets from? How many fairways did I hit this week?

1087
00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:48,119
And how many how many chips did I hit from

1088
00:50:48,119 --> 00:50:51,559
inside of sixty yards got on the green and within

1089
00:50:51,599 --> 00:50:55,119
a makeable putt distance? And then how many puts did

1090
00:50:55,159 --> 00:50:57,719
I actually have for each round? So just keep my

1091
00:50:57,719 --> 00:51:00,440
stats inside of eighty yards and how many fair I

1092
00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:02,920
hit forget about all that other stuff, you know, for

1093
00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:04,679
the average golfer, that I get it, that I get

1094
00:51:04,679 --> 00:51:07,119
it near the pin with a makeable putt for eighty

1095
00:51:07,199 --> 00:51:09,559
yards a makeable but I mean thirty favorite it's an

1096
00:51:09,599 --> 00:51:13,239
uphill thirty foot is it makeable? You know? And and

1097
00:51:13,239 --> 00:51:15,800
and then how many putts did I have? And you

1098
00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:18,719
will start to see, gosh, out of my hundred shots,

1099
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:26,119
fifty sex sixty, we're with a driver, wedge or a putter. Amazing, right,

1100
00:51:26,320 --> 00:51:28,880
And so where do I spend sixty percent of my

1101
00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:33,320
time practicing? It's not getting ten more extra yards, It

1102
00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:36,719
just isn't so. And you'll see guys in the PGA

1103
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:40,199
tour they're working on that roller and they're working on

1104
00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:42,800
that putter, they're working on their wedge game, and it's flawless.

1105
00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:46,000
When you it's it's pure art. When Tom Pernice is

1106
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:48,719
a college teammate of mine who's had a late career

1107
00:51:48,719 --> 00:51:50,760
in golf, and I had I've had an opportunity to

1108
00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:53,119
spend some time around in recent years and and play

1109
00:51:53,159 --> 00:51:56,679
with them once or twice, and it's And Corey Pavin

1110
00:51:56,760 --> 00:51:59,280
was another teammate of mine, and to watch them do

1111
00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:03,280
what they do with a edgena potter is just spectacular.

1112
00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:09,280
It's it's it's unbelievable. So you know, maybe most people

1113
00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:11,519
don't view it the way I do. But to take

1114
00:52:11,559 --> 00:52:14,360
a bad lie around the green and make it work somehow,

1115
00:52:15,159 --> 00:52:18,360
a challenging lie and make it when I mean, we

1116
00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:20,840
saw this tiger shot last year from Mirfield. He didn't

1117
00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:22,679
play so well this year, but last year he made

1118
00:52:22,679 --> 00:52:24,360
that shot from behind the green. You go, how did

1119
00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:26,760
he do that? Well? He does that in practice a lot.

1120
00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:29,760
We may not think he does, but he does. You know,

1121
00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:32,840
the viewers may understand that, but he does. So it

1122
00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:35,519
takes practice, takes a little bit of knowledge, some application,

1123
00:52:35,599 --> 00:52:36,440
and you can get better