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Speaker 1: What is going on? Clippers fans, Welcome to season three,

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episode sixty nine of Clips and Dip, and we've immediately

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lost William Updyke. I guess we're gonna keep this going

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because we're both saying, oh, there he is, He's back.

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I am Chuck Mackler, joined by Adam Oslin and William

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Upton for most of the pod, as well as our

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favorite French Canadian reporter, Justin RUSSEO. Justin Russo is here.

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Thank you for being on the pod. Justin. We are

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Clips and Dip. Hopefully your favorite Clippers podcast or Clippers Talk.

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We're coming at you once a week. You can find

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us at YouTube dot complish, at Clippers podcast, or anywhere

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you get pods in general. We are talking trade rumors

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today we're talking dips. Justin, did you bring a dip?

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Speaker 2: I just want you to know I welcome from a

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nap thirty minutes before this podcast, ran out of my

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house and bought a dip. So you're wow.

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Speaker 1: Hell yas.

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Speaker 3: This is like an advertisement for the new Superman movie.

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We let it move.

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Speaker 2: I mean I think it classifies as a dip. You

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guys will have the final say, Well, a lot of

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this pod the last Yeah, you guys have stretched the

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rules a little bit.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, kind of been dedicated to debating what a dip

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is or isn't. Will and Adam, how are you guys

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doing on this incredibly hot Friday evening in Los Angeles? Well,

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we'll start with you.

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Speaker 4: I'm doing good.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, having some like weird computer issues, so sorry if

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I'm coming in and out, but I think we got

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it figured out.

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Speaker 4: I'm hot as tell us.

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Speaker 5: You could probably tell if you're watching this over on

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YouTube dot com that's at Clippers Podcast getting real sweaty

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over here.

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Speaker 4: But I got a dip. I'm ready to go. I'm

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feeling good, Man, Adam.

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Speaker 3: How about yourself, you babies, I ran five miles earlier indoors. Uh,

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it is a little bit hot, but luckily I live

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in a brick house, so it stays. It doesn't get

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as warm during the winter as i'd like, but during

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the summer it's not too bad. It stays cooler. So

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I'm doing okay, Okay.

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm gonna come back with some other architectural thoughts

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on your apartment next week. We will leave that for

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next week. Today we are talking trade rumors. It is

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not even the it's the Clippers offseason and there are

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rumors flying a lot of fans seemingly disconnected from everything

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that the front office has been talking about over the

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last year. Probably, I think that's one of the reasons

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we should talk about the trade rumors. So the three

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names basically are LaMelo, Drew Holiday, and a classic. Now

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that Miles Turner has hopefully crossed off the list, John

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Collins now occupies the number one trade target for Clippers

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fans to want to get Justin Russo, you're the guest,

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which of these three would you like to dispel or

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just discuss? First?

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Speaker 2: The Drew Holiday one is very like weird to me. Yeah,

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why his contract is the main reason I don't think

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he's a player. Like he's a player. They would look

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at if he's on the market, which he will be.

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He like, the majority of the Celtics roster is going

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to be on the market, they like. Unfortunately, that's just

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the nature of well, the majority of them would have

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been on the market anyways, even if Jason Tatum never gets.

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Speaker 1: Hurt, right, but their tax is like four hundred.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, probably funds a small country at this point. So yeah,

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it's great. I just don't get the Drew thing anymore.

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Speaker 3: He's goods and has three more years left.

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Speaker 2: It's it's the it's the years more than the age.

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But also it is the age too, and he's just

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not a good shooter anymore. Health Wise, he really hasn't

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been great of late. He did make all defense like

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five I think it was five straight years, but he

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missed out this year because he didn't hit the games requirement.

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Speaker 1: Sounds like a future clipper.

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Speaker 2: Look now, I'm sold on him, so, you know, just

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because if he's not gonna be on the floor, that's

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a clipper right there, baby. But no, it's the years.

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It's he's literally got thirty two point four million next year,

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thirty four point eighth the year after, and a thirty

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seven million dollar player option.

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Speaker 3: Likes not an option, that's not an option. He is

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taking it. So he's taking the thirty seven million.

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Speaker 2: There's the uh, there's the Bill Simmons and Ryan Russillo

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running joke that Ryan Rusillo always does, which is breaking news.

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already picking that up three years in advance. It's a

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lot of money.

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Speaker 1: It's a lot of money for a guy who might

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be hurt too, and like will like the main trade

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pieces the Clippers have are I guess we should level

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set that right like Ormond Bogie, because we're not getting

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rid of Zoo.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Maybe done in there. Yeah, I don't know it.

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Speaker 5: Like it's a move that that made sense in previous

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years of Drew Holliday. With where he's at right now,

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I think that that's a that's a tough road to

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hold man especially Yeah, especially like you know the years,

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it just doesn't line up.

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Speaker 4: It doesn't line up as well as you'd like.

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Speaker 1: People would be furious too, Like Clippers fans would not

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be excited about this.

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Speaker 4: Some might do you talk yourself into it? Adam? Could

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you talk yourself into it?

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Speaker 1: I could talk myself into it, but I would be like,

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this is there's a lot of the odds of stuck.

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Speaker 5: Is this a John Wall shooting thirty nine percent from

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three situation?

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Speaker 4: Could we get there?

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Speaker 3: God? I thought I was the receipt master, but you

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guys always bringing that up.

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Speaker 1: Oh, we're gonna talk about that later because I was

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great with you put out.

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Speaker 3: So I think there's a scenario where, depending on what

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they gave up, it could make some sense, but I

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still think it's a long shot because of his age,

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because he is going to take that player option for

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thirty seven million dollars when he is thirty seven, and

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he has been this league for a while. I know

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he had some injuries early on, it seemed like he

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was gonna have a shortened career. But since then he

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has been more reliable. So there's a lot of tread

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on the tires, a lot of long, extended playoff runs.

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He has won two rings. I mean, he's a great guy.

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He's from southern California. I love him, But it's probably

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two years too late to bring him in at this point.

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That's what it feels like to me.

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Speaker 5: The other problem being that we haven't talked about is

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like how much do you want to give to the

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Celtics too?

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, here's why would you like, Like why would I mean,

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obviously next year is like a moot point, but beyond that,

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why would you want to potentially give them anything of value,

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anything that could help their team other like outside of

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a salary dump and even that thirteen.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what the Celtics angle is, right, If anything,

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they're looking to just shed salary. How do the Clippers

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make that happen? Is there significant enough move What I

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saw was like four billion dollars they could save by

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trading what Norm and Uh done and maybe Jordan Miller

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or something like that. Is that enough for Boston to

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really be enticed?

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Speaker 1: Probably not, like unless they really believe in Jordan Miller.

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Speaker 4: Well, how much does that lower like the luxury tax

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bill on stuff? Because then maybe, yeah, I don't.

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Speaker 1: Know if that lowers it. But like that's why we

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traded Eric Gordon, right, because Balward didn't have to pay

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an extra two hundred million dollars or whatever it would

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have been on the taxes.

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Speaker 2: By the way, can we tell how stupid this is

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that we have to even factor in, Oh, how much

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money does this save people on luxury tax for a trade?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, like the revolutionary dude talk about.

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Speaker 2: Remember when we used to talk about trades in sports

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and it was like, oh, does this trade make sense

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from like an on corner on field? For now it's like,

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does this trade make sense because it could save them

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like thirty seven million dollars? And luxury tax is so weird?

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Speaker 4: And the Aprons? Have you considered the Aprons?

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Speaker 2: It's it's I hate it. I hate everything. Now, I'm

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just an old man who hates everything. Like it's so stupid,

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Like I'll start looking at it. Uh Like, in the

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next about week, I'm gonna put out an article about

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the types of players the Clippers could possibly look after trades.

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So it's very funny that I'm on here talking about

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Oh I wish we could go back to it, like

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because I'm gonna write an article about like how much

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money teams can save on stupid crap. And it's just

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like you're making.

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Speaker 1: Off these off this system rus so you can't rail

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against it.

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Speaker 2: Sure I can't because I'm old and I'm cranky all

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the time. Now you know, it's hot, so I'm sweating

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and mad, like it's the true holiday on the court,

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Drew holiday makes sense simple as that they need to

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They could use another guard that could kind of defend

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multiple positions.

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Speaker 1: Or guards more guards.

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Speaker 2: I know fans hate the three guard thing. Guess what.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to hell. People who hate that, like.

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Speaker 2: I just I don't know, Just resign yourself to the

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truths of the situation.

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Speaker 4: You know, when we get that four, that's like a

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yokic stopper.

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Speaker 2: Forget about it, sir, we had him. His name was PJ. Tucker.

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Speaker 1: You know that's true, very true.

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Speaker 2: Hey, listen, PJ Tucker stopped Nicola Jokic on a last

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second shot in Los Angeles. Can't say the same for

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the rest of the twenty four to twenty five Clippers.

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Speaker 1: Unfortunately, Yeah, they didn't even stop him on a first

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second shot in Los Angeles.

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Speaker 3: Pain.

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Speaker 1: The other funny, My favorite part of the Drew Holiday

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rumor is that I was trying to look at where

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it came from, like what source, and all I got

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was a league source called a bro mass Live that

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the Clippers are going to make a play. So like

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some like, I don't no disrespect to our Massachusetts Clippers

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contingent who might listen to this show. But mass Live

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is a very funny name for a place to start

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a trade river. I don't believe it at all because

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it's from that spot. Okay, now, LaMelo.

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Speaker 2: So I will say money wise, Norman Powell and Derek

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Jones for Drew Holiday works just money wise, it also

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saves It also saves the Celtics like two million dollars.

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Speaker 3: But I don't want to give up Derek Jones with

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that contract.

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Speaker 2: I was gonna say, I don't know why you do

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that if you're the Clippers to add more money in

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an extra year. I don't really I don't really get that.

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Speaker 3: He's still one guy under thirty who's really athletic.

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Speaker 2: Listen, I think Drew Holliday has one of the greatest

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step back. The Drew Holiday's hot back step back three

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at the top of the arc is so good to watch.

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Speaker 1: We all Holiday fans. I don't want to all so

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make I think he's a great player, but right we're

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not trading the youngest, most athletic guy who gets any

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time for an old guy who will probably be hurt.

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Speaker 2: Is that worth thirty five million dollars when he's thirty

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six thirty seven years old? I just don't know. I

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mean maybe it is. I mean we've seen the way players,

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you know, so I don't know.

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Speaker 3: If you're doing a deal with Doune involved, then you

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can sell it as he's a better version of Chris

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Dunn because of his shooting, and that makes some sense,

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but he's older, and the contract is problematic if you're

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trying to have as much money as possible for twenty

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twenty six and for twenty twenty seven, because he's gonna

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be on the books with that player option until the

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summer twenty twenty eight because he's taken.

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Speaker 1: It, and he better be four times or six times

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as good as Chris done when the contracts work out

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for that, right.

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Speaker 2: I mean Norman Chris for for Drew works. It's just

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now we're getting into the conversation of if you're the

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Clippers and you do that, is that worth cutting into

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your likely going to be over the luxury tax? And

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you've already said on the record one of these next

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two years, you're not going to be in the luxury tax.

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To reset the repeater the repeater penalties, which obviously they

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should do, he's not.

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Speaker 3: The Lawrence press conference though, the exit interview, he said,

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we're going to have the non tax payer mid level

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exception to use this summer. That tells you they're going

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to be under the tax this year, right unless something

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crazy happened, Well, they would have it regardless.

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Speaker 2: They would have it regardless because they were under the

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tax for this fiscal league year. So like when the.

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Speaker 1: League years, the year start for the NBA.

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Speaker 2: It ends July third, or I'm sorry, June thirtieth, So

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like it's that's.

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Speaker 1: Why, Okay, got it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So they're under the luxury tax right now as

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long as they don't take money to get over the

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luxury tax, which technically they can make trains right now.

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So as long as they don't do a deal that

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ends them over the luxury tax before July first, then

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they'll have the non tax mid level. But anything that

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they use on that, you know, you you become if

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you use any amount I believe it's if you use

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any amount over the taxpayer mid level, which I don't know.

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I don't remember what the taxpayer level is this year,

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and it's like probably like five point nine or something,

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then you become hard capped at the apron. So it's

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like you're gonna be hard caped regardless. So why like,

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if you trade for Drew, you're just gonna be in

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the luxury tax. It's really just that simple.

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Speaker 1: And I like the point that you made though, Adam,

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like from kind of which is like the theme for like,

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I feel like the segment a little bit is like

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from everything the front office is said, is it quite

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literally unless something crazy? They've said the GM version of

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unless something crazy happens. We're kind of chilling at this spot.

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Right now.

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Speaker 3: I also don't love the idea of using one of

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your best trade chips, if not your most realistic best

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trade chip. In Norman Powell on Drew Holiday, I would

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rather use that to try to bring in some front

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help or just a younger player in general that can

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maybe grow into the next era of Clippers basketball.

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Speaker 1: Speaking of someone who'd grown to the next era of

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Clippers basketball, William Updike. Should the Clippers attempt to make

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a trade for LaMelo Ball, a rumor that was started

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by his own brother and then perpetuated by Lou Williams.

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Speaker 2: By the way, great Segway, Chuck, that was incredible.

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Speaker 1: Well, we've been doing this for fifty years.

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Speaker 2: That's why they pay you the big bucks.

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Speaker 5: You know, yeah, exactly, yes, game, let's completely pivot on

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you know what got us to fifty wins. Let's let's

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do another about face like the front office did at

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the time of the Rust signing. Is what I want

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from this offseason. It's the only thing that I really

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want from this offseason. I mean, look, what do you

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want me to say? LaMelo the injury stuffed, very very troubling.

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Has he played less games every single year he's been

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in the league.

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Speaker 1: Uh, let me look, what do you mean You're so

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you're worried about a point guard who you're worried about

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their broken ankle and they're hurt wrists?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I was gonna say, and the wrist is it? Like?

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Is it? Is he undergoing like a double surgery? Is

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a two for one?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: He got a two for on April second.

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Speaker 3: They're switching them out.

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Speaker 1: Actually does get a discount from the wrist of the ankle? Yeah,

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he probably? Well, I think the Ball family I would

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hope that. So that's actually quick pivot. How does that work?

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Like if LaMelo Ball, if they go to their own doctors,

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because assuming there's a team doctor who they're like, we'll

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do the surgery. But like say Blake Griffin or Kawhi

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is like, I want my guy to do it. Who

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pays for it? If they go to their guy, is

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the team, like you gotta pay for this ship? If

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they go to their guy.

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Speaker 2: The team, the team pays for it.

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Speaker 4: I think okay, they No, I thinks the team still

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pays for it. I mean, I don't the billionaire should

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foot the bill?

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Speaker 1: Well, I bet w w F they don't. So like

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I guess that was my I totally agree that the

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team should pay for it, but I just wonder if

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I bet it's a pain in the ass. We've all

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tried to get I had, you know, a lunch receipt

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comped at our various places of work. Imagine trying to

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get your third ACL surgery comped.

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Speaker 3: They're like, again, justin, how are you feeling about LaMelo ball?

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I know he has four more years left on his contract,

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but given the injury history like we're talking about here,

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but also high potential, high upside my position.

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Speaker 4: I mean, like, I'm not mad at some youth.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think the Clippers at some point are going

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to have to take a big risk. If you're going

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to be able to get a young player with high upside,

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There's i went to be some major flaws. We've talked about.

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Mingo will get into more of that. But LaMelo here,

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what are your thoughts? Justin? No, Like, I don't mean

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to be blother like is that the whole article?

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Speaker 1: Big capital?

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Speaker 2: Just don't get me wrong, Like, I I get why

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people find him exciting. I just don't think here, I'll

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put it to you this way. For as much crap

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as Kawhi Leonard gets for not being on the court.

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Over the last five seasons, He's played twenty two fewer

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games and LaMelo Ball and he missed the whole year.

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Speaker 1: Like yeah, LaMelo Ball had forty seven games last year

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and then like thirty three before that.

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Speaker 3: And I think this is also the only reason you

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can get him, like otherwise they wouldn't be in the hunt.

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Like you're going to have to accept some risk.

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Speaker 2: Sure. I also just don't know how much people actually like,

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like people aren't league passing in on hol games February

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third to watch them against like the Pistons or something.

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Now I'm not crapping on the Pistons here, that's it,

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do I know?

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Speaker 1: Ball?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I just by the way, I'm actually still

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annoyed that the Pistons Nick series ran on the same

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nights that the Clippers Nuggets series ran. So we're every

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time we're in the arena walk like even in Denver,

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we're just sitting there in the work room trying to

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watch Pistons Knicks because every game was like on crack

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and it's like, oh, Clippers Nuggets are starting, like great,

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we gotta go watch this, But like no one's pining

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to watch Hornets games in the middle of February.

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Speaker 1: You know, like, but that the idea of lamellow ball

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is maybe a little more appealing than the Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I just don't get me wrong. I think he can

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be a positive player. You look at certain metrics out there,

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he's been a positive player, like a positive impact player.

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I just nothing about his game has changed in his

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five years in the NBA compared back to high school

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or even overseas. Like it's the same game. It's it's

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a lot of stuff that looks cool and flashy, and

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then you watch I can't get I can't get oot,

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get the thought out of my head of like I

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watch him on defense and I'm just so annoyed. Like

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there are certain players you watch on defensee you just

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get mad. And at one point this year, early in

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the season, he led the league in total fouls.

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Speaker 1: He was fouling out of he.

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Speaker 2: Was fouling out of the games as a point guard

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that doesn't even play. How is that possible?

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Speaker 1: Right, So you're just barely playing bad decision defense at

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that point.

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Speaker 3: I think there was two categories field goal attempts and fouls.

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Speaker 2: There was there was a staff from some ESPN article

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like a month and a half into the season. That

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was like, oh, when teams are running pick and rolls

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with LaMelo ball as the as the guard defender, the

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ball the ball defender, they were after like one point

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four points per possession, Like, what do we do now? Granted, okay, Charlotte.

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Speaker 1: This is a new era for the Clippers in this scenario.

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This is the era of defense. No defense, TikTok Clippers, Like,

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what are we doing?

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Speaker 3: Do you think even if they wanted him they could

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put together a package that would even entice to Charlotte Hornets?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: What if the package is bottom of the barrel? Like

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what if you're talking about Harden and DJJ maybe one

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pick and like it's bottom of the barrel package because

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there's no other suitors.

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Speaker 2: They're not giving up a pick in that deal. They're

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giving up the best player. Why would you give up

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a pick in the best with the best player?

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Speaker 1: That's true because you're buckets.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Derek, you know, like like I get it. Okay.

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The Charlotte Hornets they were terrible. They had a lot

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of injuries.

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Speaker 1: So we stuff. But there was a funny thing because

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I was like I was looking, I was like, oh,

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what does Charlotte Hornets need to help with it? The

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Clippers could offer, and I was like, everything everything, okay, great,

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Like Norman Bogie isn't the craziest package.

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Speaker 2: Their center has no feet apparently according to the Los

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Angeles Lakers, so they just need everything. I don't like.

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I said, Okay, he's still very young. But LaMelo. I

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actually had a conversation with with Jamal Christopher and Justin

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Wilson about this at a Clipper game. My whole thing

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came down to, LaMelo is the player you don't want

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on the first or second contract. You want to be

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his third team, where like the first team is like, okay,

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he's had injuries, but we kind of should move on

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the second teams like hey we'll take a flyer. The

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third team is the one where it's like, hey, maybe

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he's learned something, and then like you know, like he's

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understands why he's here. I just and I don't want

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to sound mean like I'm crapping on the guy. I'm

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not trying to just I don't think his style of

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basketball is conducive to winning in this era of the

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NBA right now and now. The counter argument to that

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would be, well, have you seen Tyre's Halliburton, Like they

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do play in a lot of similar ways to some degree,

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but also and yes, the Pacers have a lot better

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team than the Hornets, but also Tyre's Haliburton I think

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at least has a contextual understanding of like, We're not

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gonna be good at defense, but I'm still gonna try somewhat.

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And I just haven't seen that from LaMelo at all.

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It's it's really just depressing to watch at times when.

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Speaker 5: Like do we even have the right combination of players

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around him to even like extract what his skill set

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is actually good.

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Speaker 1: At You're like Kawhi and Zoo, I don't like.

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Speaker 5: A bunch of like a bunch of slow guys, Like

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how does that really Like how does LaMelo really benefit

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you in those scenarios?

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Speaker 3: But you're not bringing him in because we're trying to

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win right now with LaMelo. Ball is to try to

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find somebody to agent to the next era of Clippers basketball.

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And for as many flaws as he has, and obviously

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it's a very easy argument to make, that's also the

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only reason you'd have a chance to get him in

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the first place if he was doing everything we want

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him to do, then Charlotte wouldn't even be thinking about it.

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And the Clippers if you look down the line, it's like, great, Okay,

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there's all these reasons not to like Lamel. Who are

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you guys going to get Who's going to be the

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next perfect guy that's going to be available for the

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Clippers to get because I don't think those guys are

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going to be trade going to be trade bait, or

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going to be free agents anymore. Teams aren't letting them

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go for nothing.

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Speaker 1: And LaMelo's contract just started twenty four to twenty five

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was the first year of his extension, so he's locked

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in for the next four years.

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Speaker 5: Also, if he's blowing through red lights in Los Angeles,

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he's getting hit ten out of ten times at this

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Charlotte baby, if he's that in a red light outside

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the stadium, he is getting tea boned every single fucking time.

473
00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:04,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're trying to come out of that player garage

474
00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:10,519
without stopping, dude, like you're driven here. He hasn't driven

475
00:24:10,559 --> 00:24:13,200
the cars that he's peeling out in Charlotte. Here, he's

476
00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:15,839
gonna run over, He's gonna hit an orange cone that

477
00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:19,319
is gonna hurt his low profile car. I like the

478
00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:22,359
driving point. I think, who do.

479
00:24:22,319 --> 00:24:24,359
Speaker 2: You think would be happier about the Clippers trading for

480
00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:28,759
LaMelo Ball? Clippers fans or the front offices of the

481
00:24:28,759 --> 00:24:30,440
Thunder and seventy six ers.

482
00:24:32,319 --> 00:24:35,759
Speaker 1: That's a great way to put it. Probably not Clippers fans.

483
00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:37,680
Speaker 2: Well, and I said the front office of the seventy

484
00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:40,480
six ers, because I don't think Darryl Moore is gonna

485
00:24:40,519 --> 00:24:42,039
be there after next season. Either.

486
00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:49,039
Speaker 1: But well, he final target that has been talked about,

487
00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:53,480
not just this trade season, but every trade season that

488
00:24:53,519 --> 00:24:57,119
we've all been walking this big spinning rock we call

489
00:24:57,160 --> 00:25:03,519
Earth's what it feels like. John Collins power forward for

490
00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:07,240
the Jazz whoever, whatever bad team that he plays for,

491
00:25:07,279 --> 00:25:09,519
which seems to kind of weirdly be a pattern with

492
00:25:09,599 --> 00:25:13,839
John Collins. Are we finally pulling the trigger on this?

493
00:25:14,839 --> 00:25:18,480
Is this the year that the Clippers get that four

494
00:25:18,599 --> 00:25:20,599
that we've so desperately craved?

495
00:25:22,759 --> 00:25:25,279
Speaker 3: Is he opted into the contract justin or is he

496
00:25:25,319 --> 00:25:28,359
becoming a free agent? Is what twenty six million?

497
00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:34,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like twenty six that's I don't know. I

498
00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:36,400
don't have any read on what he does there.

499
00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:39,559
Speaker 1: I mean, you're not a friend, John Collins. I don't

500
00:25:39,599 --> 00:25:40,559
know what he's going to do.

501
00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:44,160
Speaker 2: We always me and my guy JC. If there's if

502
00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:47,079
there's one footprint in the sand, it's because he's carrying.

503
00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:47,079
Speaker 1: Me, you know.

504
00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:52,920
Speaker 2: I just there's not a lot of money out there

505
00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:54,880
in this year's free agent market is the problem. It's

506
00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:57,119
like Brooklyn's the main team with now.

507
00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:02,319
Speaker 3: That doesn't mean oh no.

508
00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:03,440
Speaker 1: No, Justin cut out. He was about to let him

509
00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:03,759
have it.

510
00:26:04,319 --> 00:26:07,079
Speaker 3: They don't want the truth. I can't handle Kim.

511
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:08,680
Speaker 1: Cook hurt him. He was like, he can't be saying

512
00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:09,559
these on my airpox.

513
00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:12,200
Speaker 3: Maybe it was the j C blasphemy there that.

514
00:26:12,599 --> 00:26:15,119
Speaker 1: Jac line was so funny. That's generally one of the

515
00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:20,039
funniest things someone say on the soapbox.

516
00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:24,200
Speaker 2: I got to and tapped my frail microphone and decided

517
00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:25,759
to short out.

518
00:26:25,559 --> 00:26:28,559
Speaker 1: You know, my frail microphone.

519
00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:31,160
Speaker 2: There's not a lot of money out there this off season.

520
00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:33,319
It's really just Brooklyn and but that doesn't mean you

521
00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:35,920
can't acquire him. You know, to be a be a

522
00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:38,039
sign and trade. But if you sign and trade for him,

523
00:26:38,519 --> 00:26:40,640
you're hard capped. So like you're back in the same

524
00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:47,319
situation which you're probably gonna be hard capped. Either way,

525
00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:49,960
how much of what we saw out of him last

526
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:51,960
year was real.

527
00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:55,160
Speaker 1: Welcome to every year that I feel like he's played.

528
00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:58,720
No one knows, no one like the talking points for

529
00:26:58,799 --> 00:27:02,240
John cons Art. He's athletic, and he's young for what

530
00:27:02,279 --> 00:27:04,880
the Clippers can do, Like he's just kind of a

531
00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:08,279
more expensive Derek Jones Jr.

532
00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:11,079
Speaker 2: His shooting was good this year. He shooting was good

533
00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:19,160
last year. I it's very hard to put into context

534
00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:21,960
how good players are on bad teams. Like towards the

535
00:27:22,039 --> 00:27:24,880
end of the year, he played like three of their

536
00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:30,799
last like thirty games, and in those games, what happened.

537
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:34,039
Speaker 3: They got fined Utah. When they're trying to evaluate Utah,

538
00:27:34,039 --> 00:27:34,920
it's really tough.

539
00:27:35,599 --> 00:27:42,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, he happened then, I think, now here's

540
00:27:42,559 --> 00:27:46,480
the here's the argument, John Collins in Utah is impossible

541
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:49,440
to evaluate because Utah was terrible and they weren't trying

542
00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:50,920
to win, and they're not going to try to win

543
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:51,599
next year either.

544
00:27:54,039 --> 00:27:55,640
Speaker 3: This they lost out in the draft.

545
00:27:56,559 --> 00:27:59,200
Speaker 2: Well, and the guy the one of the top picks

546
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:02,680
next year, Aja Mansa's going to buy U went to

547
00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:05,880
his last year of high school was spent in Utah. Basically,

548
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:10,000
that is that is their last chance. Essentially, if they

549
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:14,759
don't get him, good luck to them. You know, it's

550
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:18,839
just the Clippers can't get John Collins. He's a very

551
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:20,400
realistic get for them.

552
00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:22,640
Speaker 1: He's the most realistic of these three.

553
00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:23,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just.

554
00:28:25,079 --> 00:28:28,960
Speaker 3: I don't would they value Noran Powell.

555
00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:33,759
Speaker 2: Utah? Yeah, like that's I think it would be a

556
00:28:33,759 --> 00:28:35,759
three team or Utah is not taking stuff back for him.

557
00:28:35,799 --> 00:28:37,640
I probably it's gonna be like, hey, can you give

558
00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:38,160
us a pick?

559
00:28:39,599 --> 00:28:43,640
Speaker 3: Because you know, I mean three teams are tough.

560
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:49,720
Speaker 2: Before what would it would be like Norman, Well, you

561
00:28:49,759 --> 00:28:51,519
can't take Chris Dunn back to Utah.

562
00:28:51,559 --> 00:28:55,480
Speaker 1: That's weird, but feels so bad for Kristin. I'm like, hey, sorry, man,

563
00:28:55,519 --> 00:28:57,720
thanks for everything you did back at the shipthole that

564
00:28:57,759 --> 00:28:58,119
we got.

565
00:28:58,119 --> 00:29:01,039
Speaker 3: You got sent back there a couple of times.

566
00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:04,400
Speaker 2: So the alternative is like Norman Pale and Drew Eubanks

567
00:29:04,519 --> 00:29:07,519
is expiring, which I mean maybe Utah does that if

568
00:29:07,519 --> 00:29:10,319
you throw in like a somewhat of a pick, I.

569
00:29:10,279 --> 00:29:14,680
Speaker 1: Guess population in Utah with Banksfield at home there.

570
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:19,440
Speaker 2: I have no idea. As someone who's walked in mead

571
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:22,400
streets of downtown Salt Lake, I didn't see a lot

572
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:23,640
of Aussies walking around.

573
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:26,960
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, you didn't see any big knives.

574
00:29:26,799 --> 00:29:29,880
Speaker 3: No one, No great, right there.

575
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:35,319
Speaker 2: I I don't hate the idea of John Collins. Like,

576
00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:38,960
as weird as it sounds, I'm much from a fit standpoint,

577
00:29:39,039 --> 00:29:40,759
John Collins fits a lot better for the Clippers than

578
00:29:40,799 --> 00:29:43,160
LaMelo Ball does, is how I would characterize that?

579
00:29:43,319 --> 00:29:43,599
Speaker 3: Sure?

580
00:29:43,759 --> 00:29:48,079
Speaker 2: Sure, The biggest issue with John Collins is can he defend?

581
00:29:48,799 --> 00:29:50,680
Or is it still like the idea that John Collins

582
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:56,400
can defend because they're two different things. Now, he did

583
00:29:56,400 --> 00:30:01,319
play next to Yes, he did play next to a

584
00:30:01,359 --> 00:30:04,640
good defensive center and Walker Kessler, so at least he

585
00:30:04,799 --> 00:30:07,200
knows how to operate there. If he plays next to Zoo.

586
00:30:08,079 --> 00:30:11,960
Speaker 1: And Kawhi like, like, that's not the worst.

587
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:16,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't hate the John Collins thing. It's just

588
00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:19,839
what does he cost? Like, if you give up Norman Powell,

589
00:30:19,839 --> 00:30:21,720
you're giving up the best player in the deal, Which

590
00:30:22,319 --> 00:30:25,680
that doesn't mean you don't do the trade because you're

591
00:30:25,759 --> 00:30:29,720
kind of swapping talent for fit, which is what they

592
00:30:29,759 --> 00:30:32,079
did last off season by not bringing back Paul George

593
00:30:32,079 --> 00:30:34,240
and then bringing all these other guys in. Like, no,

594
00:30:34,279 --> 00:30:36,039
those guys were not as talented as Paul George, but

595
00:30:36,039 --> 00:30:38,319
they fit a little bit better on the margins. So

596
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:42,359
there's that. I don't hate the John Collins idea on

597
00:30:42,359 --> 00:30:45,920
the Clippers. It's just what are you giving up? And

598
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:48,200
are you even giving up a pick? If you don't

599
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:51,000
give up a pick, I think it's okay. I don't

600
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:52,559
think you should give up a pick to be fair.

601
00:30:55,279 --> 00:30:58,799
Speaker 3: Yeah. Two seconds, Yeah, I kind of want to just

602
00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:02,720
slashing seconds, just satisfy all the Clippers fans that have

603
00:31:02,799 --> 00:31:05,319
been clamoring for this forever and then watch them turn

604
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:07,400
after he has three bad games for.

605
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:15,440
Speaker 1: Two seconds. Yeah, let us know what you think at

606
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:18,680
Clippers pod or at YouTube dot comash at Clippers podcast

607
00:31:18,759 --> 00:31:20,960
about these trades. We know that you will.

608
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:24,240
Speaker 2: I have two others to throw out real quick. Could

609
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:25,440
I do it?

610
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:26,359
Speaker 4: Absolutely?

611
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:28,039
Speaker 3: So?

612
00:31:28,079 --> 00:31:29,240
Speaker 2: These are going in my is that?

613
00:31:29,599 --> 00:31:31,000
Speaker 1: Is that an into it dome water?

614
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:33,839
Speaker 2: You saw nothing?

615
00:31:35,799 --> 00:31:39,759
Speaker 1: Okay, great, you saw nothing like rainbow, but with promotional

616
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:43,000
free I feel like I got caught on air man.

617
00:31:43,279 --> 00:31:44,960
Speaker 3: The Clippers were out of the playoffs, but I'm not

618
00:31:45,039 --> 00:31:45,960
leaving here with nothing.

619
00:31:46,279 --> 00:31:49,799
Speaker 1: That's right with that trash bag.

620
00:31:51,359 --> 00:31:53,400
Speaker 2: Well, I'll throw on a first name that doesn't I

621
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:56,319
haven't worked out the trade details on this, but uh

622
00:31:56,599 --> 00:32:00,440
Goga Batazda is a backup center. I think it would

623
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:02,960
be a great fit the Strong charter. Now, the two

624
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:05,200
trades I'm putting in my article for next week are

625
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:10,839
number one, Lonzo Ball and Zach Collins for Norman Powell

626
00:32:10,839 --> 00:32:17,039
and Kobe Brown. Yes, so Zach Collins will be on

627
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:20,319
inspiring deal. And it's not a cheap expiring either. It's

628
00:32:20,359 --> 00:32:24,559
like thirteen million, I think, because we have to give

629
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:27,880
Zack Collins almost fourteen million dollars in the NBA.

630
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:32,039
Speaker 3: I guess I like Zach Collins. I always have. He's

631
00:32:32,079 --> 00:32:35,839
like a one three hill bad guy looking dude, A

632
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:36,319
well fan.

633
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:38,160
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, dude.

634
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:40,319
Speaker 3: And do you know I love Lonzo because that's going

635
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:41,279
to bring a lamellow.

636
00:32:43,839 --> 00:32:46,079
Speaker 1: So the idea we're getting the whole family.

637
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:49,799
Speaker 2: The idea with with Lonzo being here is, yes, he

638
00:32:49,839 --> 00:32:52,559
is not the picture of health. Obviously he does have

639
00:32:52,599 --> 00:32:55,440
any issues that have dated back to high school. But

640
00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:59,720
he is a connector that does a role that you

641
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:02,599
don't currently have, which is backup point guard while also

642
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:05,119
being able to be a defender. And he plays us

643
00:33:05,119 --> 00:33:09,279
a little bit quicker of a tempo to where James

644
00:33:09,319 --> 00:33:11,200
doesn't have to always have the ball in his hands.

645
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:14,400
Speaker 1: But then what happens when he misses fifty games?

646
00:33:16,079 --> 00:33:16,799
Speaker 2: Does it matter?

647
00:33:17,359 --> 00:33:19,839
Speaker 1: Yes, I think it does matter. I think the Clippers improved,

648
00:33:19,839 --> 00:33:20,720
it doesn't matter.

649
00:33:21,319 --> 00:33:23,680
Speaker 2: Well, the counter to that would be, well, you're using

650
00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:26,079
your mL now, you're using your mL on not a

651
00:33:26,119 --> 00:33:29,400
center because you have Zach Collins, so you can find

652
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:33,319
someone potentially on the perimeter to give you kind of

653
00:33:33,359 --> 00:33:39,960
like replacement level filler at that point. So there's that. Now,

654
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:44,519
the other trade Norman Powell for Harrison Barnes.

655
00:33:45,759 --> 00:33:51,279
Speaker 1: I like Harrison Barnes, so yeah, sure, I'm with it.

656
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:55,519
Speaker 2: I think that's the trade I've kind of settled on.

657
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:59,440
As Hey, this probably makes the most sense for both teams.

658
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:06,000
San Antonio. They're most likely selecting Dylan Harper at number two,

659
00:34:06,519 --> 00:34:08,719
assuming they don't trade a haul for you, honest right,

660
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:12,559
So the thought process would be, well, we also we

661
00:34:12,599 --> 00:34:14,719
still need more guards scoring like they do need guard

662
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:17,800
scoring Stefan Castle, Ricky the Year had a great year,

663
00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:20,440
but not a guard score at this point. Not his fault.

664
00:34:20,639 --> 00:34:23,840
Chris Paul is most likely not coming back, and I

665
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:26,639
do think Norm could fit alongside that San Antonio squad

666
00:34:27,119 --> 00:34:29,000
to where it gives them a little bit more offensive

667
00:34:29,039 --> 00:34:34,079
punch that they need. Harrison Barnes, I think becomes a

668
00:34:34,079 --> 00:34:36,639
little bit reductive for them because they're gonna have to

669
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:39,920
likely make a decision between Harrison Barnes and Kelden Johnson.

670
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:44,159
So I don't think they're they're not liked for like,

671
00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:46,360
but I think there's a little bit of a cross over.

672
00:34:48,159 --> 00:34:53,719
And also Jeremy Sohan, so there's that as well. I

673
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:56,000
think if I think if the deal's Harrison Barnes for

674
00:34:56,039 --> 00:34:57,760
Norman Powell, it's not the worst deal in the world.

675
00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:01,000
Harrison's expiring just like Norm is. They make almost the

676
00:35:01,039 --> 00:35:02,079
same amount of money.

677
00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:06,800
Speaker 1: It might be the most uninteresting deal, but that's what

678
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:10,440
it is. Like, it's very boring. But it's not like.

679
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:13,119
Speaker 3: It's like when you're trading fit.

680
00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:15,840
Speaker 2: But yeah, it's like when your team selects a guard

681
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:19,519
twenty third overall in the NFL Draft and you're like, sure,

682
00:35:20,199 --> 00:35:22,639
I guess the quarterback needs to stay alive this year.

683
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:25,159
Speaker 1: I'm a Dolphins fan. We need that pick to work out.

684
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:28,679
Speaker 2: So yeah, how to be to scar you a little bit,

685
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:31,880
you know, Listen, my team has no quarterback you know,

686
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:33,320
so there's that waiting for a.

687
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:37,880
Speaker 1: Rud Uh yeah, I would we all, well, you would

688
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:39,360
do Harrison Barnes for Norm Powell.

689
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:41,159
Speaker 4: Yeah, I like it.

690
00:35:41,639 --> 00:35:45,280
Speaker 3: Sure. Harrison Barnes has taken way too much crap over

691
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:47,079
the years for how good of a player he is.

692
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:50,440
Remember he got traded while being in the game a

693
00:35:50,599 --> 00:35:53,360
couple of years, right, crazy.

694
00:35:53,639 --> 00:35:55,639
Speaker 2: You know what's crazy about that? He wanted to finish

695
00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:56,119
the game.

696
00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:00,079
Speaker 1: Damn. They told him he was traded and.

697
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:01,679
Speaker 2: He was like, I want to finish the head Like,

698
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:03,159
oh okay.

699
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:05,480
Speaker 5: I mean I could see he's actually younger that I

700
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:07,039
thought too. He's only thirty three.

701
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:09,719
Speaker 1: I thought he was thirty six and like.

702
00:36:10,159 --> 00:36:12,800
Speaker 4: Just and like just turned thirty three today.

703
00:36:13,599 --> 00:36:16,400
Speaker 2: Happy birthday, Sorry, Harrison, happy birthday.

704
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:21,599
Speaker 1: You're at a trade, You're traded now. I like that idea.

705
00:36:21,679 --> 00:36:23,679
I think that's the best study that's been proposed so far.

706
00:36:25,119 --> 00:36:28,159
All Right, coming up, we are talking Jonathan Kaminga because

707
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:30,960
we have two people who want Jonathan Kaminga and I

708
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:35,360
have flip flopped as of this morning, unwanting to again. Yep,

709
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:37,639
I'm just it's the off season, man, I'm just blowing

710
00:36:37,679 --> 00:36:41,760
in the wind. We're talking that and then maybe should

711
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:44,199
have the Clippers signed CP three and then all of

712
00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:45,880
us have a dip. So we're going to talk about

713
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:47,840
that right at the very end. If you're listening to

714
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:49,480
us on audio, is going to be a quick break.

715
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If you're watching us, our beautiful faces are still here.

716
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Uh cominga talk coming up in three two one.

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Speaker 5: All right, welcome back into clips and did. If you're listening,

718
00:37:01,119 --> 00:37:02,639
there was a slight break. If you're watching, which you

719
00:37:02,639 --> 00:37:05,480
should be over on YouTube dot com slash at Clipper's podcast, there.

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Speaker 4: Is no break. We're here with you.

721
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:10,920
Speaker 5: We're here with Justin Rousseau or Justin Rousseau as he's

722
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:12,159
known in French Canadia.

723
00:37:13,079 --> 00:37:13,719
Speaker 4: Look, we talked.

724
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:16,559
Speaker 5: We talked some potential trade tot targets, some realistic, some

725
00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:20,199
not realistic. We gotta circle back to something that on

726
00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:23,800
this podcast is one of our larger about faces. That

727
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:26,800
seems like it's now gonna be an about about face

728
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:30,280
wherein we through the course of one episode, talked ourselves

729
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:33,760
in the Jonathan Coaminga. We talked about a potential number

730
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:36,199
we would be willing to go on a contract, which

731
00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:37,079
I believe.

732
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:39,320
Speaker 4: Ended up in the thirty three range.

733
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:43,000
Speaker 5: I believe it something around thirty three a year. I

734
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:48,599
believe it was three four hundred somewhereabouts there. Justin immediately

735
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:52,480
hated this idea. He mentioned that in the in the

736
00:37:53,559 --> 00:37:58,159
in the media group chat. So we gotta circle back,

737
00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:01,159
we gotta circle back. This is this is the final,

738
00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:02,280
This is the final.

739
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:07,679
Speaker 4: Uh cominga conversation. Oh what do we what do we

740
00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:11,079
think about this? He's oh, yeah, I.

741
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:13,119
Speaker 1: Want to preface it with there was another piece of

742
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:15,760
cominga news that came out, and this is kind of

743
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:19,599
what flipped me. This is from Anthony Slater, he said.

744
00:38:19,679 --> 00:38:23,800
Kaminga league sources said, still has visions of becoming an

745
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:26,559
All Star, not fitting into an ever moving mid tier

746
00:38:26,639 --> 00:38:29,000
rotation role. He wants to be a featured player in

747
00:38:29,039 --> 00:38:31,960
the NBA offense and chase the twenty point and beyond

748
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:35,400
dreams he's spent his life chasing. In the last week

749
00:38:35,519 --> 00:38:42,199
of his fourth season, tasting, I just quizit. Writing that

750
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:46,320
is incredible. Writing it sounds like incredible. It sounds like

751
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:48,840
a very nice statement written by someone's PR team.

752
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:49,719
Speaker 3: Is what No.

753
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:53,760
Speaker 2: I just I thought that was actually very eloquent. I

754
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:54,400
I was hooked.

755
00:38:54,679 --> 00:38:56,760
Speaker 1: That's what made me flip is I'm like, this is

756
00:38:56,920 --> 00:38:59,599
not like he already turned down the huge contract from

757
00:38:59,639 --> 00:39:01,639
the Warrior because he was like, I can definitely get

758
00:39:01,679 --> 00:39:05,400
more than this, will not get more than that before this,

759
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:11,840
It just doesn't seem like everything a quick. I just

760
00:39:12,119 --> 00:39:14,159
I'm scared off from this. I don't want to give

761
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:17,760
him thirty million dollars a year. I don't know. I

762
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:19,880
just don't know. I'm out.

763
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:25,320
Speaker 3: I will I will for just three years, three.

764
00:39:25,159 --> 00:39:28,239
Speaker 1: For ninety Who are we giving up in the trade?

765
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:34,840
Did we talk about that? I think Norm Boge seems

766
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:36,000
like a Warriors.

767
00:39:35,559 --> 00:39:41,599
Speaker 3: Guy DJ maybe, but I guess I'm just looking at

768
00:39:41,679 --> 00:39:45,559
none of it. FO. Yeah, like Kaminga and LaMelo aren't ideal,

769
00:39:46,639 --> 00:39:50,360
they're also available because they're not ideal, but they might

770
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:53,800
turn into much better players down the line. And you

771
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:56,400
have to take some big swings in this new CBA.

772
00:39:56,519 --> 00:39:59,000
I think if you don't have your draft picks and

773
00:39:59,079 --> 00:40:01,000
you don't have high draft takes, even if you did

774
00:40:01,079 --> 00:40:04,400
have them, how are you going to find a young

775
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:07,400
player that you can build around or that can be

776
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:09,960
one of your main guys moving forward if you don't

777
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:12,440
take some risks like these, I just don't know.

778
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:15,320
Speaker 1: Justin how do you feel.

779
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:17,280
Speaker 2: Have you watched him play basketball?

780
00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:20,679
Speaker 3: Yeah, checkout's last three games in the playoffs.

781
00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:25,960
Speaker 6: He was great, great playing a Minnesota team that had

782
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:29,519
no worries in the world about a good Warriors team

783
00:40:29,519 --> 00:40:30,840
that didn't have Steph.

784
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:36,079
Speaker 2: I say this with the thought of knowing Steve Kerr

785
00:40:36,119 --> 00:40:37,719
as a coach. If he's not putting you out there,

786
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:46,960
it's for a reason, like I get it. Jason Tatum agree, well,

787
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:50,480
that's that's a different reason. But also, hey, maybe Steve

788
00:40:50,559 --> 00:40:53,880
Kerr is a wizard and foresaw what could happen to

789
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:54,960
Jason down the line.

790
00:40:55,119 --> 00:40:57,119
Speaker 3: Oh god, the warlock.

791
00:40:57,360 --> 00:40:59,800
Speaker 1: To be fair, they did also win the gold medal.

792
00:41:01,119 --> 00:41:06,440
Speaker 3: In six games.

793
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:11,239
Speaker 2: I just his dream is to chase twenty points a game.

794
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:17,320
Speaker 1: Great, cool, No, like, what is that twenty isn't even

795
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:17,840
that high?

796
00:41:18,519 --> 00:41:18,719
Speaker 3: Right?

797
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:22,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, if you're gonna be that guy, I don't know,

798
00:41:22,519 --> 00:41:24,320
Like it was funny there. I was like, why not

799
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:27,480
thirty twenty is insane?

800
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:28,840
Speaker 2: Is something?

801
00:41:32,079 --> 00:41:34,360
Speaker 3: There is something lost in translation? Maybe a little bit

802
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:36,639
with the clude can you.

803
00:41:36,679 --> 00:41:40,079
Speaker 2: Play some defense? Can you give me fifteen points a

804
00:41:40,119 --> 00:41:42,320
game of defense and rebounding? I don't need the extra

805
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:48,119
five points, But that's not there. It's and it hasn't been.

806
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:49,679
Speaker 1: I just.

807
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:55,519
Speaker 2: Kaminga is still young, and I think our phrasing of

808
00:41:55,559 --> 00:41:58,360
players when they're young is that they can always get better,

809
00:41:58,599 --> 00:42:02,719
and that's true, but progress is never linear in anything

810
00:42:03,199 --> 00:42:07,320
in life. And if you pay him thirty million dollars

811
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:11,199
next year, you're assuming he improves. But what if he doesn't.

812
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:13,880
Now you're just stuck with a thirty million dollars a

813
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:16,599
year albatross that you can't move like, and.

814
00:42:16,599 --> 00:42:18,840
Speaker 1: You might not be happy. That's the other part, is it.

815
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:21,519
And then it's like, then we're in another kind of

816
00:42:21,559 --> 00:42:23,800
weird era of Clippers locker room stuff, which might be

817
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:25,320
not worth freaking out, but.

818
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:26,960
Speaker 2: I just I don't know.

819
00:42:27,039 --> 00:42:29,320
Speaker 3: I I My point is, thirty's not going to kill

820
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:31,039
you if it's only three years, with how much room

821
00:42:31,039 --> 00:42:32,079
they're gonna have coming up.

822
00:42:32,519 --> 00:42:34,599
Speaker 1: I had the three years. I like the three years.

823
00:42:35,159 --> 00:42:38,719
Speaker 2: I mean, you're paying a guy thirty million, he's maybe

824
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:42,920
gonna shoot thirty percent from three and as your as

825
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:46,639
you're four, and that's that's just rough. Like in this

826
00:42:46,679 --> 00:42:51,079
climate of what the Clippers need to build around Kawhi

827
00:42:51,119 --> 00:42:54,400
and James or even going forward, like you shouldn't give

828
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:56,280
a guy thirty million dollars a year and be like, hey,

829
00:42:56,840 --> 00:43:00,599
in a couple of years, this is our guy, When

830
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:02,679
in a couple of years you got to repay him

831
00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:06,159
likely more money. If you do think he's.

832
00:43:06,039 --> 00:43:10,760
Speaker 3: Your guy, if he fulfills some of that potential, you

833
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:13,840
will if not, you took a chance on a young guy,

834
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:16,159
it didn't pan out, he's off the books.

835
00:43:17,079 --> 00:43:19,280
Speaker 2: But the problem with taking a chance on a young

836
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:22,159
guy is there's a difference on taking a chance on

837
00:43:22,199 --> 00:43:24,519
a young guy at like twelve million year and then

838
00:43:24,639 --> 00:43:28,239
doing it at thirty when you're gonna run up against

839
00:43:28,559 --> 00:43:32,119
luxury tacks and aprons and okay, if he doesn't pan out,

840
00:43:32,119 --> 00:43:33,480
now we've got to try to move him. But who's

841
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:37,559
taking him for thirty million? And it becomes taking flyers

842
00:43:37,599 --> 00:43:39,119
on guys I think is a lot harder now in

843
00:43:39,119 --> 00:43:41,719
this new CBA than it was in the past CBS.

844
00:43:42,039 --> 00:43:44,199
And also I think the biggest thing that actually works

845
00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:47,400
in Comena's favor is he was a lottery pick. And

846
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:50,159
people care about that five years end of the NBA

847
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:53,159
career because they think there's some untapped potential. But that

848
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:56,400
just means you stick around longer if you haven't been good,

849
00:43:57,079 --> 00:43:59,800
Like it's just really that simple. I don't think he's

850
00:43:59,840 --> 00:44:02,000
been an impact player any of the years he's been

851
00:44:02,039 --> 00:44:05,639
in the league. Yeah, he had a great three and

852
00:44:05,679 --> 00:44:08,599
a half games for the Warriors to end the season.

853
00:44:09,119 --> 00:44:13,239
It also was pointless. It didn't mean anything, And I

854
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:19,360
just I'm very hesitant on a guy who can't shoot,

855
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:24,880
isn't a good defender, can be a ball stopper, and

856
00:44:25,079 --> 00:44:27,480
not a high level rebounder enough to fit in for

857
00:44:27,559 --> 00:44:32,079
thirty million dollars a year. Like if you're debating between

858
00:44:32,119 --> 00:44:34,079
him and John Collins, the difference between him and John

859
00:44:34,079 --> 00:44:38,800
Collins is John Collins rebounds better and can shoot. I'd

860
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:40,480
got to play John Collins twenty six and a half

861
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:44,159
million dollars a year over thirty Tokminga.

862
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:47,360
Speaker 3: It's just the ceiling thing, like who Kaminga could be

863
00:44:47,519 --> 00:44:50,960
versus who we know John Collins is sure.

864
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:53,400
Speaker 2: But I think for the Clippers, they don't need to

865
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:55,760
bank on what can be at this point in the time.

866
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:58,039
They need to bank on what they know they're getting.

867
00:44:58,599 --> 00:45:00,679
And with Comina, you don't know, we.

868
00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:04,599
Speaker 3: Sugar, are we sure they shouldn't bank on and take

869
00:45:04,639 --> 00:45:08,519
some risks right now? Like they should instead only do

870
00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:14,760
things that solid like, what are they in that place

871
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:19,360
where we're still saying this is our year and they

872
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:21,960
need to do everything to win a championship this year.

873
00:45:22,639 --> 00:45:24,000
Have we still in that place?

874
00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:28,559
Speaker 2: The West? For them, the wet the the puzzle of

875
00:45:28,559 --> 00:45:31,480
the West is there's one dominant team and everyone else

876
00:45:31,559 --> 00:45:35,360
is basically jumbled together. If you take the home run

877
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:40,039
swing and it doesn't pan out, you're bottoming out. And

878
00:45:40,079 --> 00:45:41,800
now you're you have don't have a first round pick

879
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:45,599
in twenty twenty six, and now you're a year longer

880
00:45:45,679 --> 00:45:48,880
into the into this run, and you're staring at the

881
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:51,039
fact that, okay, well James probably gonna walk this off

882
00:45:51,079 --> 00:45:53,559
season now, and now Coli is going to be an

883
00:45:53,679 --> 00:45:56,800
unrestricted free agent the year after and and basically you're

884
00:45:56,840 --> 00:46:00,119
burning through a year of Zoo's very valuable contract. If

885
00:46:00,119 --> 00:46:02,199
you take a swing on a guy who, if he

886
00:46:02,199 --> 00:46:06,679
doesn't pan out even in year one, now you're kind

887
00:46:06,679 --> 00:46:09,000
of out of any chance of having any type of

888
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:12,920
playoff success because of the ramifications of what his contract

889
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:16,159
will do. Like if you add John Collins instead of

890
00:46:16,199 --> 00:46:19,559
him into this current Western Conference climate, the odds of

891
00:46:19,599 --> 00:46:22,360
the Clippers having as good of the season as they

892
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:26,000
did this year and potentially better. It's far more likely

893
00:46:26,039 --> 00:46:28,559
than it is if you had Jonathan Kaminga even at

894
00:46:28,559 --> 00:46:29,440
the same price point.

895
00:46:30,199 --> 00:46:33,239
Speaker 3: I don't disagree with that. I just don't also know

896
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:35,159
if it puts you over the top or brings you

897
00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:38,719
into a different level of the Western Conference. Maybe it

898
00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:40,840
could if everything goes your way. But Kuhi is gonna

899
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:43,039
be thirty four, James Harden's going to be thirty six?

900
00:46:44,159 --> 00:46:46,519
Is there? I think where you should think about the

901
00:46:46,559 --> 00:46:47,639
future a little bit more.

902
00:46:48,039 --> 00:46:51,880
Speaker 2: I think we know. I think I think we need

903
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:53,400
to get rid of the idea of put them over

904
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:55,039
the top. There is no top.

905
00:46:56,119 --> 00:46:59,800
Speaker 3: It's put them in at it's be competive, different tier

906
00:47:00,199 --> 00:47:02,480
of competitive teams in the Western Conference.

907
00:47:03,199 --> 00:47:07,039
Speaker 5: I think I think that players out there, Yeah, none,

908
00:47:07,639 --> 00:47:08,519
not realistically.

909
00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:11,960
Speaker 3: Then then does it not make sense to go for

910
00:47:12,039 --> 00:47:14,760
somebody that could help you now if he plays well

911
00:47:15,199 --> 00:47:17,000
and could could help you in the future too.

912
00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:21,280
Speaker 5: I think you need to mitigate the floor versus look

913
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:22,599
at the ceiling right now.

914
00:47:27,039 --> 00:47:28,719
Speaker 2: I'm with Will.

915
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:30,960
Speaker 5: I think there's like we're just not even close to

916
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:32,400
the championship tier right now.

917
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:35,320
Speaker 4: We see the team that's at the top, then we're

918
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:38,519
not away like we're not away.

919
00:47:39,159 --> 00:47:41,199
Speaker 5: Neither of these guys that we're talking about is the

920
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:43,199
young guy that's going to develop into the guy to

921
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:46,440
make this team like competitive with that team not in

922
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:49,159
their not in their highest of projected ceilings right now,

923
00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:50,679
maybe if they blow through that.

924
00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:53,079
Speaker 4: Ceiling somehow, which I just wouldn't bet on.

925
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:55,559
Speaker 5: I think you need to mitigate the floor, like you

926
00:47:55,639 --> 00:47:58,320
need to, you know, hopefully make the picks that you

927
00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:01,360
still don't own, the like least desirable picks that you

928
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:04,760
can stay competitive, put asses in the seats and like

929
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:06,719
call it a day man like that that you know,

930
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:08,960
like maybe you get out of a player, maybe you

931
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:10,639
can get can win a playoff series.

932
00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:13,199
Speaker 3: What I'll also say is I think if you can

933
00:48:13,239 --> 00:48:14,920
do all that while trying to find a young guy

934
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:17,000
that can help you now and in the future, that's

935
00:48:17,119 --> 00:48:18,360
that's the ideal spot to be.

936
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:20,760
Speaker 2: What what I'll say is, if you look at the

937
00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:24,000
last offseason and going into this offseason and the things

938
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:28,199
that they've said, risk is not something they're interested in.

939
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:30,679
High level risk is not something they're interested in, Like

940
00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:33,199
letting Paul George go inherently as a risky move. I

941
00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:36,360
get that, but look at the guys they filled in

942
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:41,320
with those are low risk players Like those weren't super

943
00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:44,519
high variance players. They knew exactly what they were getting

944
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:47,639
at a Derek and Chris Dunn, you don't know what

945
00:48:47,639 --> 00:48:49,400
you're getting out of jhathank Amica. Like we could say

946
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:52,199
there and debate it for three hours that like, oh

947
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:53,960
Johnathan Amuica could do this, he might not be able

948
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:57,440
to do this, but you just don't know, Like John Collins,

949
00:48:57,559 --> 00:48:59,679
I'm just using them as example. You know what John

950
00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:02,679
Collins give you. It might infuriate you half the season

951
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:04,719
and it might not, But you know what John Collins

952
00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:07,400
is gonna give you. With Kaminga from a night to

953
00:49:07,519 --> 00:49:12,760
night perspective, you have no idea what's gonna happen, What's

954
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:15,800
gonna happen with the shot? His defense is playmaking anything

955
00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:18,480
Like you know, I think.

956
00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:20,280
Speaker 3: There's a lot of Clippers fans that would favor some

957
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:23,480
of the unknown and the mystery box right now, honestly,

958
00:49:23,559 --> 00:49:27,159
and by the way, that's just let's not forget Cominga.

959
00:49:27,239 --> 00:49:29,199
If he's included in that trade for Paul George, the

960
00:49:29,199 --> 00:49:30,159
Clippers might have done it.

961
00:49:32,159 --> 00:49:38,559
Speaker 2: They needed a little bit more than coming did they.

962
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:40,119
Speaker 3: Cominga would have been the big get there and that's

963
00:49:40,119 --> 00:49:43,360
what wouldn't do it.

964
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:45,920
Speaker 5: But wasn't the apron stuff still the issue too, like

965
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:48,239
because they would be taking on just as much money.

966
00:49:48,159 --> 00:49:51,880
Speaker 2: And and also odds wasn't available on the trade either.

967
00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:58,400
Speaker 3: But the hang up not getting cominga The major hang.

968
00:49:58,360 --> 00:49:59,920
Speaker 2: Up was that Paul George wanted to go to Golden

969
00:50:00,159 --> 00:50:02,079
and didn't want Golden State to give up anything for him.

970
00:50:02,239 --> 00:50:05,519
That was a major hang up. Paul George was like,

971
00:50:05,559 --> 00:50:07,880
I want to go to Golden State and then he didn't.

972
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:09,880
Anybody wanted to go to Golden State with certain guys

973
00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:12,119
still there, and one of the certain guys was Kaminga

974
00:50:12,559 --> 00:50:15,360
and Pozemski and it was like, well we just when

975
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:16,679
what the hell do you want us to trade for?

976
00:50:16,719 --> 00:50:21,199
Speaker 3: Then says that the Clippers wanted young guys and everybody

977
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:23,599
said they want Kamena. That's what I said.

978
00:50:23,639 --> 00:50:25,239
Speaker 5: Are we going to get a podcast p where he

979
00:50:25,239 --> 00:50:27,400
does a revisionist history on the trade and says that

980
00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:29,880
he never wanted them to trade Shay when he wanted

981
00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:32,199
to come to the Clippers. We're getting that at some point,

982
00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:34,880
right we're getting their revisionist history, just like we've gotten

983
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:37,039
the doc revisionist history that he knew that he was

984
00:50:37,079 --> 00:50:40,639
going to be special despite not playing him until an injury,

985
00:50:40,719 --> 00:50:43,079
a season ending injury to Avery Bradley.

986
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:46,840
Speaker 3: If Indiana wins, he's got to say something about the

987
00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:49,800
joke of Paul George helped build both these teams that

988
00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:52,039
are in the NBA Finals. He has to acknowledge it

989
00:50:52,079 --> 00:50:53,559
to some level that.

990
00:50:53,719 --> 00:50:56,039
Speaker 1: He should, but that would make good content, which he

991
00:50:56,079 --> 00:50:59,000
does not make. So I'm interested to see if he's

992
00:50:59,039 --> 00:51:00,320
able to that.

993
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:04,840
Speaker 2: I've never I've never. Okay, I preface this by saying,

994
00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:07,960
Paul George great to deal with media wise, always was

995
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:11,760
willing to talk, and I did appreciate that. I don't

996
00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:13,960
think Clipper fans understand there are certain times players that

997
00:51:14,039 --> 00:51:15,159
want to talk and that's not great.

998
00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:18,760
Speaker 1: And this is also a franchise that does not grant

999
00:51:19,239 --> 00:51:22,719
access at all. We're not fors.

1000
00:51:26,119 --> 00:51:28,519
Speaker 2: Has the most mind numbing clips I've ever seen from

1001
00:51:28,519 --> 00:51:36,199
a podcast. Just just SI insane, man, I just I

1002
00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:39,719
can there be a producer at the room.

1003
00:51:40,159 --> 00:51:41,760
Speaker 3: I thought he did the right thing when he came

1004
00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:44,400
back and brought on a guy criticizing him the entire time.

1005
00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:48,119
I think that was smart. I know it's convenience. Always

1006
00:51:48,119 --> 00:51:50,239
just hate on Paul George, but I think that's exactly

1007
00:51:50,239 --> 00:51:51,440
how you had to do it if you're going to

1008
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:52,400
come back, and he did it.

1009
00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:55,519
Speaker 1: I'm excited for part two of that in about a year.

1010
00:51:58,599 --> 00:52:00,440
I mean, credit to Paul George.

1011
00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:01,840
Speaker 3: Was watching it wouldn't still be there.

1012
00:52:02,599 --> 00:52:08,719
Speaker 7: I well, yeah, Tobias Harris over you, buddy, Like that's

1013
00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:11,159
literally what A fan was just like it his face,

1014
00:52:11,559 --> 00:52:15,599
like come on, man, And I get it.

1015
00:52:15,599 --> 00:52:17,159
Speaker 2: You have to roll with the punches. And I think

1016
00:52:17,239 --> 00:52:19,480
athletes get a lot of crap from fans in public

1017
00:52:19,519 --> 00:52:20,679
that should never even.

1018
00:52:20,639 --> 00:52:23,480
Speaker 3: Happen at all, especially of course.

1019
00:52:24,079 --> 00:52:27,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just very funny. It was like with how

1020
00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:30,119
much they hated Tobias Harris and a fan walked up

1021
00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:34,679
was like, Tobias Harris over you, like come on, man,

1022
00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:36,199
Like it's.

1023
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:39,920
Speaker 3: Like, damn, I mean it's Philly. Remember the Adore guy,

1024
00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:43,840
Like I caught the baby.

1025
00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:48,000
Speaker 1: All right, So we've settled it. We were all against

1026
00:52:48,079 --> 00:52:54,000
kaminga what's it for Adam Adam million?

1027
00:52:54,039 --> 00:52:54,440
Speaker 3: Come in?

1028
00:52:55,199 --> 00:52:56,320
Speaker 2: How does it keep going up?

1029
00:52:56,320 --> 00:52:59,280
Speaker 3: And buddy ninety whatever around there.

1030
00:53:00,639 --> 00:53:05,280
Speaker 1: Before after taxes fifty we are talking should the Clippers

1031
00:53:05,320 --> 00:53:08,039
sign a former Clippers legend and then breaking out all

1032
00:53:08,039 --> 00:53:11,199
our dips, because I'm assuming we all have dips. If

1033
00:53:11,199 --> 00:53:13,039
you're listening to us, you give me a quick audio break.

1034
00:53:13,079 --> 00:53:15,039
If you're watching us at YouTube dot com, Sash at

1035
00:53:15,039 --> 00:53:18,039
Clippers Podcast, we're still here. We're still hanging out. Diptalk

1036
00:53:18,119 --> 00:53:20,119
coming up in three to one.

1037
00:53:21,000 --> 00:53:24,199
Speaker 3: Welcome back in is Clips and Dip episode sixty nine

1038
00:53:24,239 --> 00:53:27,400
of season three. I'm Adam Oslem. We got Chuck Makler,

1039
00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:32,039
will If Dick and special guest Justin Russeau joining us here.

1040
00:53:33,039 --> 00:53:36,440
So Justin as returned to the podcast. Could there be

1041
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:40,760
a Clippers player returning a former one?

1042
00:53:40,840 --> 00:53:41,000
Speaker 8: Now?

1043
00:53:41,039 --> 00:53:44,039
Speaker 3: With San Antonio. We talked about Harrison Barnes a little

1044
00:53:44,039 --> 00:53:49,079
bit earlier. Chris Paul interested in leaving the Spurs, still

1045
00:53:49,119 --> 00:53:51,679
lives here in southern California. I believe would he be

1046
00:53:52,159 --> 00:53:54,320
welcome back? What do you think the reception would be

1047
00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:58,039
like if he was interested in returning to the Clippers?

1048
00:53:58,119 --> 00:54:04,559
Speaker 2: Justin I don't hate it. I he left on very

1049
00:54:04,599 --> 00:54:10,599
good terms. It wasn't like this contentious. It wasn't a

1050
00:54:10,639 --> 00:54:15,159
contentious split. If you ever see him and Steve at games,

1051
00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:19,480
Steve Bomber, they're always very like they always are very

1052
00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:22,559
friendly and talking like that. They always have been, even

1053
00:54:22,599 --> 00:54:24,360
after that offseason trade was made.

1054
00:54:25,480 --> 00:54:27,599
Speaker 5: And that helped the Clippers by the way, like in

1055
00:54:27,679 --> 00:54:31,280
that rebuild. Yes, I mean it ended up working out

1056
00:54:31,320 --> 00:54:32,000
for us, all right.

1057
00:54:33,679 --> 00:54:36,039
Speaker 2: Do you remember how Sam Decker was the prize of

1058
00:54:36,039 --> 00:54:36,760
that trade?

1059
00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:38,559
Speaker 1: Do I ever?

1060
00:54:39,599 --> 00:54:39,840
Speaker 3: Oh?

1061
00:54:39,960 --> 00:54:42,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, where was everyone when that broke?

1062
00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:45,000
Speaker 3: You know, he was gonna be the next Chandler Parsons,

1063
00:54:45,039 --> 00:54:46,039
they said, I think.

1064
00:54:46,159 --> 00:54:50,960
Speaker 2: Some say the original Jonathan KAMINGA yep that I've heard.

1065
00:54:52,599 --> 00:54:57,440
Some have said, I I don't hate the Chris Paul return.

1066
00:54:57,639 --> 00:54:59,400
I think it's be a nice.

1067
00:54:59,199 --> 00:55:08,920
Speaker 3: Little wayon for Justin's audio short turn cut out.

1068
00:55:09,800 --> 00:55:11,199
Speaker 1: They hate the truth man.

1069
00:55:11,639 --> 00:55:15,159
Speaker 3: A nice small, full circle moment. Even though he didn't

1070
00:55:15,159 --> 00:55:19,320
start with the Clippers, he did have his best years there.

1071
00:55:21,079 --> 00:55:21,519
Speaker 1: You're back.

1072
00:55:21,719 --> 00:55:26,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, sorry, I gotta stop. This is terrible.

1073
00:55:27,840 --> 00:55:28,760
Speaker 1: One's gesturing.

1074
00:55:29,480 --> 00:55:31,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sorry. I talked with my hands.

1075
00:55:32,239 --> 00:55:34,920
Speaker 1: You Italian and you're so Italian. Russo, I know.

1076
00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:39,480
Speaker 2: I think it'd be a nice little bow on his

1077
00:55:39,559 --> 00:55:41,519
career to kind of come back to the Clippers and

1078
00:55:42,199 --> 00:55:45,320
kind of just end it there. And he does feel

1079
00:55:45,320 --> 00:55:46,880
a need they need a backup point guard. They don't

1080
00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:49,280
need a backup point guard plays twenty minutes a night

1081
00:55:49,360 --> 00:55:51,840
or anything, so like, are there gonna be nights where

1082
00:55:51,880 --> 00:55:54,119
he could do that? Sure? I just he's just a

1083
00:55:54,239 --> 00:55:58,880
very safe, risk free player that I think can fill

1084
00:55:58,880 --> 00:56:03,079
a need. Now, the downside to it is somehow I

1085
00:56:03,079 --> 00:56:07,679
don't know how the Clippers will play even slower. Right,

1086
00:56:07,920 --> 00:56:10,199
it's a miracle in and of itself. I don't know how,

1087
00:56:11,480 --> 00:56:13,280
and they don't need to do that, so I don't know.

1088
00:56:13,320 --> 00:56:16,280
I wouldn't hate it, And it's one of those low

1089
00:56:16,360 --> 00:56:18,559
risk minimum signings that you just don't care about. At

1090
00:56:18,559 --> 00:56:21,320
the end of the day.

1091
00:56:21,440 --> 00:56:24,840
Speaker 3: He played eight did he played all eighty two games

1092
00:56:24,920 --> 00:56:28,519
last season? By the way he did, Yeah, pretty remarkable.

1093
00:56:29,519 --> 00:56:32,639
I wouldn't hate it. I know people you know he's

1094
00:56:32,639 --> 00:56:34,199
one of those players you love him when he's with

1095
00:56:34,239 --> 00:56:35,800
you and you hate him when he's gone. Because the

1096
00:56:35,800 --> 00:56:39,920
antics and stuff and how things ended in the playoff

1097
00:56:39,960 --> 00:56:42,360
series in twenty twenty one in the Western Conference Finals

1098
00:56:42,360 --> 00:56:44,719
with him doing the Clippers in in that game six

1099
00:56:44,760 --> 00:56:46,840
and then the push in the back from Patrick Beverley,

1100
00:56:47,679 --> 00:56:51,159
things were a little sour there. But he was at

1101
00:56:51,159 --> 00:56:52,239
a playoff game recently.

1102
00:56:52,320 --> 00:56:54,000
Speaker 1: I was gonna say he was add into it. I

1103
00:56:54,039 --> 00:56:55,679
think he might have been there for a game four

1104
00:56:57,559 --> 00:57:01,639
he was add into it. Like it's not people if

1105
00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:05,920
I think people would be pretty hyped, like not just

1106
00:57:06,239 --> 00:57:10,360
past enough times past. It wasn't contentious when they left

1107
00:57:10,800 --> 00:57:11,920
or when he left.

1108
00:57:11,800 --> 00:57:14,840
Speaker 4: Like Chris Paul or Patty Mills though.

1109
00:57:15,760 --> 00:57:19,000
Speaker 1: Oh well, I don't want to break up the Australian

1110
00:57:19,079 --> 00:57:22,599
trio of Ben Simmers, Bills and Drew u Banks. Oh

1111
00:57:25,800 --> 00:57:28,440
yeah I do. Yeah, Chris Paul because he made ten

1112
00:57:28,480 --> 00:57:31,519
million dollars last year, Like has he hit some weird

1113
00:57:31,519 --> 00:57:32,960
mark where you have to pay him ten mil?

1114
00:57:33,119 --> 00:57:33,239
Speaker 3: Like?

1115
00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:35,239
Speaker 1: Or what is his mint? Can he take him in?

1116
00:57:36,159 --> 00:57:37,599
Speaker 2: You could tell me any amount of money?

1117
00:57:39,880 --> 00:57:41,320
Speaker 1: Well you know what I mean, like after a certain

1118
00:57:41,360 --> 00:57:43,360
years of service, like does it go up from like

1119
00:57:43,719 --> 00:57:48,519
the regular men? It's like an ultra vat right, Yeah,

1120
00:57:48,559 --> 00:57:52,960
that's true. He wrote all this. Put a clause in

1121
00:57:53,000 --> 00:57:54,960
the new CBA that if your name is Chris Paul,

1122
00:57:55,000 --> 00:57:55,880
you have to get paid.

1123
00:57:57,880 --> 00:58:00,000
Speaker 2: Well, the NBA pays teams back the amount of mine.

1124
00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:02,079
Did they spend on minimums for vet minimums?

1125
00:58:02,280 --> 00:58:02,480
Speaker 3: Oh?

1126
00:58:02,480 --> 00:58:02,920
Speaker 1: There we go.

1127
00:58:03,039 --> 00:58:05,079
Speaker 2: So like only a certain percentage of it counts against

1128
00:58:05,119 --> 00:58:05,760
the actual cap.

1129
00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:07,679
Speaker 1: So if an owner really wanted to save money, he

1130
00:58:07,679 --> 00:58:10,360
could just sign fifteen VAT minimal contracts.

1131
00:58:11,199 --> 00:58:12,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, but there's a salary floor.

1132
00:58:13,079 --> 00:58:16,880
Speaker 1: Well okay, fine, they did it somehow. One guy gets

1133
00:58:16,880 --> 00:58:24,719
the salaries for yeah, exactly, LaMelo and fourteen vatman's you

1134
00:58:24,840 --> 00:58:27,719
surrounded with enough vets. One of them will work. PJ.

1135
00:58:27,840 --> 00:58:32,960
Tucker's available for sure, and Gershanyaviseli.

1136
00:58:33,199 --> 00:58:35,280
Speaker 2: All right, the dancing bear we need.

1137
00:58:37,920 --> 00:58:43,480
Speaker 1: All right, dip talk. We're doing dip talk Russeau. You're

1138
00:58:43,519 --> 00:58:45,199
the first guess of the off season.

1139
00:58:45,360 --> 00:58:47,159
Speaker 2: I gotta go grab it though, I gotta go.

1140
00:58:47,440 --> 00:58:48,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, do it.

1141
00:58:49,320 --> 00:58:51,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, take us on the schur of your home.

1142
00:58:53,559 --> 00:58:55,559
Speaker 3: Fucking guy doesn't like? What is this?

1143
00:58:56,159 --> 00:58:59,880
Speaker 5: I was gonna say, should we visit the conversation out

1144
00:58:59,880 --> 00:59:00,320
of the room.

1145
00:59:00,360 --> 00:59:01,960
Speaker 1: Should we see if we can like?

1146
00:59:02,159 --> 00:59:04,159
Speaker 3: What are his ideas for who the Clippers are getting?

1147
00:59:04,199 --> 00:59:04,679
What is this?

1148
00:59:06,320 --> 00:59:06,719
Speaker 2: I hear?

1149
00:59:06,880 --> 00:59:08,599
Speaker 4: Damn? Do you want to see if you can flip

1150
00:59:08,679 --> 00:59:10,119
Chuck and I once again.

1151
00:59:11,239 --> 00:59:15,920
Speaker 1: One more thing about the absolutely I doubled back.

1152
00:59:15,960 --> 00:59:16,320
Speaker 2: I'm blowing.

1153
00:59:16,400 --> 00:59:18,039
Speaker 1: I told you I'm blowing on the wind man. The

1154
00:59:18,119 --> 00:59:20,880
Chris Paul thing would be a dream for the marketing team,

1155
00:59:21,280 --> 00:59:24,639
they'd make, their jerseys would be sold. It'd be huge

1156
00:59:24,760 --> 00:59:25,400
for marketing.

1157
00:59:26,920 --> 00:59:29,400
Speaker 3: If he had anything closed to the level of health

1158
00:59:29,599 --> 00:59:31,880
and good fortune he had this past year with the Clippers,

1159
00:59:31,920 --> 00:59:34,559
that would be awesome as your backup point guard. Yeah.

1160
00:59:34,639 --> 00:59:36,280
Speaker 2: By the way, I could hear you talking ship at him.

1161
00:59:38,559 --> 00:59:41,199
Speaker 1: I was like, as air pods in me?

1162
00:59:42,840 --> 00:59:43,920
Speaker 3: What Chuck and Will said?

1163
00:59:44,960 --> 00:59:46,920
Speaker 1: We were speaking of zign language. You couldn't see ship,

1164
00:59:47,599 --> 00:59:48,079
That's right.

1165
00:59:48,880 --> 00:59:51,239
Speaker 4: Can Chris Paul wave a towel like Patty Mills? Though?

1166
00:59:51,639 --> 00:59:54,199
Speaker 1: Come on, that's true. That's a very good time. What

1167
00:59:54,239 --> 00:59:55,360
ports dos?

1168
00:59:55,679 --> 00:59:56,119
Speaker 3: What up?

1169
00:59:56,159 --> 01:00:00,880
Speaker 2: Both his tower, his towel? Wave over replacement? You can't

1170
01:00:00,880 --> 01:00:01,119
beat it?

1171
01:00:02,800 --> 01:00:05,039
Speaker 1: Man? Well, and I used to do Terence Man watch,

1172
01:00:05,079 --> 01:00:06,000
which was always funny.

1173
01:00:06,119 --> 01:00:07,480
Speaker 2: I remember that year he was just.

1174
01:00:07,440 --> 01:00:09,840
Speaker 1: Like, he's a replacement. He's pretty much righte a replacement.

1175
01:00:12,039 --> 01:00:13,800
Speaker 2: Did you see his tweet the other day about like

1176
01:00:13,880 --> 01:00:15,800
how why do all the best ideas happen on the

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01:00:15,800 --> 01:00:16,400
four or five?

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01:00:16,880 --> 01:00:17,119
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1179
01:00:17,199 --> 01:00:21,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just tell you, I'm very excited to not

1180
01:00:21,159 --> 01:00:23,480
have to have driven on that freeway like the last month.

1181
01:00:23,559 --> 01:00:27,079
It's my mental health has never been better.

1182
01:00:28,440 --> 01:00:30,719
Speaker 5: Well, run down your commute time for the people who

1183
01:00:30,760 --> 01:00:32,679
don't know because a lot of people, I'm sure a

1184
01:00:32,679 --> 01:00:34,599
lot of people who watch the show have senior coverage.

1185
01:00:34,719 --> 01:00:35,519
Speaker 4: I don't know if they know.

1186
01:00:35,639 --> 01:00:39,039
Speaker 5: Like Justin is like about this, Justin is committed to

1187
01:00:39,159 --> 01:00:42,440
this in a way that yeah, follow him, get on

1188
01:00:42,440 --> 01:00:42,960
his Patreon.

1189
01:00:43,079 --> 01:00:43,800
Speaker 4: Come on, folks.

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01:00:45,159 --> 01:00:47,039
Speaker 2: Some days it can take me two hours to get there.

1191
01:00:47,039 --> 01:00:48,960
Getting back is easy. I always usually get back in

1192
01:00:49,000 --> 01:00:55,519
like an hour. Oh okay, but getting Yeah, take back

1193
01:00:55,599 --> 01:01:00,320
everything I said. I've been doing Sparks coverage and going

1194
01:01:00,400 --> 01:01:04,360
to Crypto or excuse me, Staples. I'm calling Staples. The

1195
01:01:04,400 --> 01:01:05,360
other name doesn't.

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Speaker 1: Exist quite literally it it is such night and day.

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01:01:11,360 --> 01:01:14,519
Speaker 2: I was sitting on the one on one, stuck in traffic.

1198
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I was like, oh, I'm six miles from Staples, and

1199
01:01:18,559 --> 01:01:22,159
I'm actually okay, like six miles from six miles from

1200
01:01:22,199 --> 01:01:24,840
into it. I want to like drive off the fun

1201
01:01:25,239 --> 01:01:30,760
then goddamn overpass and like it's brutal downtown LA. I'm like,

1202
01:01:31,119 --> 01:01:34,280
I know these streets I could just zip through. I'm great,

1203
01:01:34,400 --> 01:01:38,400
it's fantastic. And then it takes me getting down to

1204
01:01:39,119 --> 01:01:43,199
Stable takes me about an hour forty that's in heavy traffic. Okay,

1205
01:01:44,079 --> 01:01:45,760
into it that can take me up to two hours,

1206
01:01:45,800 --> 01:01:51,840
even longer if there's heavy traffic on afternoon days. If

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01:01:51,840 --> 01:01:53,719
they have like an afternoon practice, it can take me

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01:01:53,760 --> 01:01:54,679
about an hour and ten.

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Speaker 1: Damn yeah, you're doing practice too. I forget about that.

1210
01:01:58,920 --> 01:02:01,599
Speaker 2: I actually tabulated it. I think I ended up doing

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01:02:03,920 --> 01:02:06,440
I think it was like something like seventy five hours

1212
01:02:06,480 --> 01:02:09,760
of driving this year. Damn. Yeah. I lost days of

1213
01:02:09,800 --> 01:02:12,280
my life covering this team. So I hope, but people

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01:02:12,360 --> 01:02:13,719
understand what I'm doing.

1215
01:02:13,719 --> 01:02:17,519
Speaker 1: The grind folks were giving of some twenty cents per

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01:02:17,519 --> 01:02:18,599
gallon or something like that.

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Speaker 2: I feel like people And I don't mean this isn't

1218
01:02:21,719 --> 01:02:23,519
like against fans in general. I just mean, like I'm

1219
01:02:23,519 --> 01:02:25,719
just saying, like I don't think people understand the amount

1220
01:02:25,760 --> 01:02:28,880
of time. Like I think there's a there's like a

1221
01:02:28,920 --> 01:02:31,880
misconception that when you cover a team, you just show

1222
01:02:31,960 --> 01:02:35,519
up when the game starts and then your days over

1223
01:02:35,599 --> 01:02:40,679
when the game ends. It's not now it's better than

1224
01:02:40,920 --> 01:02:42,800
like people work regular ninety fives. I'm not gonna sit

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01:02:42,880 --> 01:02:45,119
here and be like, oh, yeah, it's like the.

1226
01:02:45,039 --> 01:02:46,360
Speaker 4: Hardest job on the fired.

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01:02:47,039 --> 01:02:50,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, wow, this is starting a real class or no.

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Speaker 8: No, I'm saying people work definitely work a lot hard.

1229
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I'm just saying, like the hours are very long.

1230
01:03:01,360 --> 01:03:04,239
Speaker 2: It's the drive time that I think is the most

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01:03:04,320 --> 01:03:05,840
killer of anything.

1232
01:03:05,960 --> 01:03:08,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, you live in like Vadkaville, right, you could say

1233
01:03:08,840 --> 01:03:09,280
any city.

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01:03:09,440 --> 01:03:10,480
Speaker 2: People probably believe it.

1235
01:03:10,519 --> 01:03:13,239
Speaker 1: You know, it's Montreal.

1236
01:03:14,360 --> 01:03:15,480
Speaker 2: I'm living out in your bow.

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01:03:17,800 --> 01:03:19,519
Speaker 1: You've always check in with me when you have you

1238
01:03:19,559 --> 01:03:23,440
ever come over to Silmar. Okay, what is your dip?

1239
01:03:24,119 --> 01:03:24,440
Speaker 2: Okay?

1240
01:03:24,639 --> 01:03:26,360
Speaker 1: And what are you eating it with? Because I kinda

1241
01:03:26,960 --> 01:03:35,239
oh yeah, okay, so some classic tortilla chips, Miss Vicki's.

1242
01:03:37,639 --> 01:03:45,480
Speaker 2: No they lost nort Okay, sorry, you know what we

1243
01:03:45,519 --> 01:03:50,639
should get? This is an Apaula's salsa from the local place.

1244
01:03:50,760 --> 01:03:52,079
And yeah, I'm just enjoying this.

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01:03:52,079 --> 01:03:54,440
Speaker 4: It's great, gorgeous.

1246
01:03:54,639 --> 01:03:56,119
Speaker 1: Where did you get it? What local place?

1247
01:03:56,800 --> 01:03:56,960
Speaker 3: Uh?

1248
01:03:57,000 --> 01:03:58,880
Speaker 2: There's a local market in town.

1249
01:03:59,719 --> 01:04:00,199
Speaker 3: Uh?

1250
01:04:00,360 --> 01:04:04,559
Speaker 2: Oh my, I think it's just called Labodego and fantastic,

1251
01:04:04,599 --> 01:04:05,719
I can say it. So that's great.

1252
01:04:05,760 --> 01:04:08,480
Speaker 1: You know, would you bring that dip to a barbecue?

1253
01:04:08,559 --> 01:04:08,760
Is that?

1254
01:04:08,800 --> 01:04:09,480
Speaker 2: Absolutely?

1255
01:04:09,920 --> 01:04:10,880
Speaker 1: It looks really good?

1256
01:04:11,159 --> 01:04:12,440
Speaker 2: Come on now, all right.

1257
01:04:13,119 --> 01:04:15,239
Speaker 5: The fact that, like the fact that this was like

1258
01:04:15,320 --> 01:04:17,000
your go to right after waking up from a n

1259
01:04:17,000 --> 01:04:19,119
app tells me that you would absolutely bring.

1260
01:04:18,920 --> 01:04:20,719
Speaker 4: It to a barbecue. This is like, this is an

1261
01:04:20,719 --> 01:04:21,760
old standby for you.

1262
01:04:21,840 --> 01:04:25,679
Speaker 2: This is Yeah, that's the quintessential fat guy. I know food.

1263
01:04:25,719 --> 01:04:28,760
Speaker 1: Okay, nothing worse than a fat guy who has a

1264
01:04:28,800 --> 01:04:31,000
horrible taste in food. You're like, what are you even doing?

1265
01:04:31,079 --> 01:04:31,320
Speaker 3: Man?

1266
01:04:32,679 --> 01:04:33,440
Speaker 2: What are you here for?

1267
01:04:33,519 --> 01:04:34,960
Speaker 1: You know? Out of.

1268
01:04:37,880 --> 01:04:42,920
Speaker 3: And uh So, I got a little boars head spinach

1269
01:04:43,039 --> 01:04:49,360
Greek yogurt dip here. It is quality in my pavilions.

1270
01:04:50,559 --> 01:04:55,360
But even more interesting is lentil chips aged white sheddar.

1271
01:04:56,199 --> 01:04:58,760
Really good. Okay, I cleaned it out quick.

1272
01:04:59,199 --> 01:05:01,079
Speaker 4: Damn never this I've never seen this.

1273
01:05:01,880 --> 01:05:03,679
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was my first time seeing it too. I

1274
01:05:03,719 --> 01:05:05,760
was looking for like a protein chip or some low

1275
01:05:05,800 --> 01:05:08,639
carb thing. It was like, mental chip, let's go, it works.

1276
01:05:08,639 --> 01:05:10,199
I'm bringing in to the barbecue all day.

1277
01:05:10,559 --> 01:05:13,880
Speaker 1: Hell yeah, will? What did you are you really excited about? Yours?

1278
01:05:13,880 --> 01:05:15,840
Mine is pretty good, but if yours has more production,

1279
01:05:15,920 --> 01:05:16,880
we can save it for last.

1280
01:05:17,519 --> 01:05:20,719
Speaker 5: No, mine's a mine is good, don't get me wrong,

1281
01:05:20,880 --> 01:05:23,960
So not breaking. I'm not breaking the mold he or anything.

1282
01:05:24,000 --> 01:05:26,079
I got a Qeso dip. It's actually a brand I've

1283
01:05:26,079 --> 01:05:31,079
never had before. This is the Don Poncho. Uh This

1284
01:05:31,239 --> 01:05:36,960
is a white caso dip. If you've been watching the

1285
01:05:37,000 --> 01:05:40,599
show around YouTube dot com, slash at Clippers podcast, you

1286
01:05:40,639 --> 01:05:43,599
would have seen me eating this through the entire episode.

1287
01:05:43,639 --> 01:05:46,119
Speaker 4: It's very, very tasty. I heated it up a little bit.

1288
01:05:46,320 --> 01:05:48,760
For me personally, it could use a little bit more spice.

1289
01:05:49,360 --> 01:05:52,519
Speaker 5: I'm eating it with just a classic cheat your on Lately,

1290
01:05:52,920 --> 01:05:55,039
I'm normally a spicy cheat your own guy. Lately, I've

1291
01:05:55,039 --> 01:05:57,119
been feeling just the classic because it's a little bit

1292
01:05:57,159 --> 01:05:59,559
more versatile if you want to do some weird shit

1293
01:05:59,639 --> 01:05:59,960
with it.

1294
01:06:00,920 --> 01:06:02,880
Speaker 1: I did mine last year. I did classic on the

1295
01:06:03,079 --> 01:06:06,079
uh the Mayo ketchup I made from.

1296
01:06:06,119 --> 01:06:08,360
Speaker 4: You could just yeah, it's just a little bit more versatile.

1297
01:06:08,880 --> 01:06:09,840
I like this case of it.

1298
01:06:09,960 --> 01:06:12,480
Speaker 5: I would definitely bring this to a party. It's just

1299
01:06:12,559 --> 01:06:14,599
a little bit I would. This is another one I

1300
01:06:14,639 --> 01:06:16,679
would probably doctor up a little bit. I think maybe

1301
01:06:17,039 --> 01:06:19,440
toss a few you talk you tossed, maybe some some

1302
01:06:19,559 --> 01:06:22,079
grilled peppers in there, maybe a few herbs. I think

1303
01:06:22,079 --> 01:06:23,880
you got something that's that's great. There's no way that

1304
01:06:23,920 --> 01:06:27,360
this wouldn't be a crowd pleaser. I would just if

1305
01:06:27,360 --> 01:06:29,360
I was going to somebody's barbecue, I would have to

1306
01:06:29,400 --> 01:06:31,960
put a little bit more effort into it to feel happy.

1307
01:06:33,079 --> 01:06:36,039
Speaker 2: If you if your dip was a James Harden performance

1308
01:06:36,039 --> 01:06:37,400
from the season, which one would it be?

1309
01:06:42,199 --> 01:06:54,320
Speaker 9: Oh, Jame, there was.

1310
01:06:55,440 --> 01:06:58,639
Speaker 1: Something to build the series. They did not build after

1311
01:06:58,679 --> 01:07:02,920
that game, So you okay, three for three, So I

1312
01:07:03,000 --> 01:07:05,639
went dip wise. I went with a classic on this show,

1313
01:07:05,760 --> 01:07:08,599
Freedo's hot beam dip with the Holopeno in there. You

1314
01:07:08,679 --> 01:07:10,760
heat it up in the microwave. It's supposed to be hot.

1315
01:07:10,920 --> 01:07:12,519
It's a phenomenal dip chip.

1316
01:07:12,719 --> 01:07:15,639
Speaker 4: Are you recycling dips Chuck just this time?

1317
01:07:15,719 --> 01:07:18,039
Speaker 1: Yes, But because there was a there's a reason behind him.

1318
01:07:18,119 --> 01:07:19,800
This is not from last year. I want to make

1319
01:07:19,840 --> 01:07:24,199
that clear. This is a new Yeah.

1320
01:07:24,400 --> 01:07:26,039
Speaker 4: Yeah, it doesn't know bad.

1321
01:07:27,639 --> 01:07:30,719
Speaker 1: Chip wise, because we did. We kind of broke a

1322
01:07:30,840 --> 01:07:33,400
story last year on this pod, which was the Chip

1323
01:07:33,400 --> 01:07:37,199
of the Summer. The Lay's Cuban Sandwich Chip of the

1324
01:07:37,199 --> 01:07:41,760
Summer was a pretty big moment on this podcast. I'm

1325
01:07:41,800 --> 01:07:43,679
trying to search around for the next Chip of the Summer.

1326
01:07:43,760 --> 01:07:45,880
Speaker 4: The realist scoop we've ever had on this.

1327
01:07:46,039 --> 01:07:47,920
Speaker 1: The only one that people should trust us on.

1328
01:07:48,159 --> 01:07:50,480
Speaker 2: That's a great pun. By the way, The realist scoop

1329
01:07:50,519 --> 01:07:52,079
we've ever had good.

1330
01:07:52,400 --> 01:07:55,719
Speaker 1: I went with Lay's Valentina and lime is the chip,

1331
01:07:55,800 --> 01:07:58,400
So I went a little out of the usual bounds

1332
01:07:58,440 --> 01:08:01,559
with the chip, not quite the chip of the summer.

1333
01:08:01,840 --> 01:08:05,840
A delicious mix with this hot bean dip. Cannot recommend

1334
01:08:05,880 --> 01:08:09,599
it enough. Would bring this combination to a barbecue people

1335
01:08:09,639 --> 01:08:11,920
would enjoy it? I think. I'm really they did a

1336
01:08:11,960 --> 01:08:14,880
weirdly good job with the Valentina and lime flavor paired

1337
01:08:14,920 --> 01:08:16,680
with the Hall of Penu and the bean dip. You

1338
01:08:16,720 --> 01:08:18,279
can't go on in a barbecue with it.

1339
01:08:18,560 --> 01:08:20,359
Speaker 2: So would you say the chip is like Wemby and

1340
01:08:20,399 --> 01:08:22,479
the dip is just Tim Duncan's steady as can be.

1341
01:08:23,560 --> 01:08:25,800
Speaker 1: The chip is not Wemby. The chip is not a

1342
01:08:25,880 --> 01:08:29,279
generational prospect, you know what I mean.

1343
01:08:29,960 --> 01:08:32,920
Speaker 2: So the Zacharys of chips.

1344
01:08:32,720 --> 01:08:35,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, actually I would do. Yeah, I would go with that.

1345
01:08:35,960 --> 01:08:40,439
And it's not Lamello LaMelo's chip. I feel like the

1346
01:08:40,520 --> 01:08:43,000
bag would have to the bottom of the bag would

1347
01:08:43,039 --> 01:08:45,159
have to open, and all of them would have to

1348
01:08:45,279 --> 01:08:46,720
fill three.

1349
01:08:47,840 --> 01:08:50,760
Speaker 5: Every three bags is just filled with like it's just

1350
01:08:50,800 --> 01:08:52,399
filled with gas and nails.

1351
01:08:53,000 --> 01:08:55,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. And they cost kind of a lot.

1352
01:08:56,960 --> 01:08:58,520
Speaker 2: It's like when you go to it's like when you

1353
01:08:58,560 --> 01:09:00,680
go to rip the bag open and it doesn't give

1354
01:09:00,720 --> 01:09:03,960
you that perfect like split at the top. Yeah, and

1355
01:09:03,960 --> 01:09:05,159
then like it just falls and.

1356
01:09:05,119 --> 01:09:07,640
Speaker 1: You're like, what the hell doing every Trader Joe's bag

1357
01:09:07,680 --> 01:09:09,560
of chips? Those people don't know how to make a

1358
01:09:09,600 --> 01:09:10,880
bag that opens normally.

1359
01:09:11,800 --> 01:09:14,960
Speaker 2: So wait, wait, hold on, you mentioned Trader Joe's.

1360
01:09:15,000 --> 01:09:16,239
Speaker 1: Have to mention and go off.

1361
01:09:16,359 --> 01:09:20,119
Speaker 2: Sorry, have you seen have you seen the Are you

1362
01:09:20,159 --> 01:09:22,279
guys like well versed in Trader Joe's snacks?

1363
01:09:23,119 --> 01:09:23,600
Speaker 1: Pretty well?

1364
01:09:24,319 --> 01:09:27,279
Speaker 2: Okay, have you stumbled upon the snack that is like

1365
01:09:27,920 --> 01:09:32,159
the chocolate with like pretzel and like the crunchy it's

1366
01:09:32,159 --> 01:09:34,640
like a it's like a black bag with like yellow

1367
01:09:35,119 --> 01:09:35,720
like coloring.

1368
01:09:36,520 --> 01:09:37,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, I know it's sung about.

1369
01:09:38,039 --> 01:09:42,079
Speaker 3: Is it the bark thing? No, it's not dark chocolate bark.

1370
01:09:43,000 --> 01:09:44,560
Speaker 1: Because I thought it was Steelers candy.

1371
01:09:45,199 --> 01:09:49,119
Speaker 2: I didn't think it was Steelers candy. Okay, listen, sometimes

1372
01:09:49,119 --> 01:09:54,920
it's just sometimes no, no, not the other bag, the

1373
01:09:54,920 --> 01:09:58,439
other bag. I have someone here who's given me the best.

1374
01:09:58,560 --> 01:09:59,520
Speaker 1: Are you just talking to your dog?

1375
01:09:59,560 --> 01:10:02,399
Speaker 2: That's a the snacky clusters?

1376
01:10:02,680 --> 01:10:07,119
Speaker 1: Okay, thank you to whoever's bringing you this. We don't

1377
01:10:08,039 --> 01:10:14,479
oh yeah, it's weird, really good, Okay, noted, I'm just

1378
01:10:14,479 --> 01:10:18,520
telling you all right, damn, maybe we should do like

1379
01:10:18,560 --> 01:10:20,640
a chocolates. We're gonna have to start flipping the game

1380
01:10:20,640 --> 01:10:22,039
a little bit. Maybe do a chocolate dip.

1381
01:10:22,840 --> 01:10:24,720
Speaker 4: We've never done a sweet dip. I don't think on

1382
01:10:24,800 --> 01:10:25,520
this show, haven't.

1383
01:10:26,520 --> 01:10:28,399
Speaker 2: I don't think so, because the show is sweet enough

1384
01:10:28,399 --> 01:10:29,199
with you three on it.

1385
01:10:29,399 --> 01:10:31,560
Speaker 3: Wow that.

1386
01:10:32,079 --> 01:10:37,439
Speaker 1: On that note, we're gonna be back next week most likely.

1387
01:10:38,520 --> 01:10:42,800
Reviews help will? Where can people give us dip recipes? Also,

1388
01:10:42,840 --> 01:10:46,640
because we've already made one that was really good? Will?

1389
01:10:46,640 --> 01:10:48,880
Where can people tell us what they thought of the show?

1390
01:10:49,359 --> 01:10:52,000
Compliment our mic usage, because we've all been eating chips

1391
01:10:52,000 --> 01:10:54,439
this whole episode and you cannot tell at all, which

1392
01:10:54,520 --> 01:10:55,079
is difficult.

1393
01:10:55,640 --> 01:10:58,800
Speaker 5: No, yeah, no one got the mute of shame. You

1394
01:10:58,800 --> 01:11:02,039
can listen to the show wherever you wherever you get

1395
01:11:02,039 --> 01:11:04,760
your podcast. If you happen to listen over on Apple Podcasts, Spotify,

1396
01:11:04,800 --> 01:11:06,319
go ahead, leave a little ratio review.

1397
01:11:06,399 --> 01:11:08,600
Speaker 4: Helps us out. You can leave your dip recipes.

1398
01:11:08,600 --> 01:11:10,760
Speaker 5: You can leave comments on every episode of Spotify, which

1399
01:11:10,760 --> 01:11:13,159
is cool, but also every YouTube video that's at YouTube

1400
01:11:13,159 --> 01:11:16,520
dot com. Slash Clippers podcast, I'm not sure if I

1401
01:11:16,640 --> 01:11:19,359
set it my contractually obligated amount of times this episode,

1402
01:11:19,359 --> 01:11:20,680
but I think I got close.

1403
01:11:20,840 --> 01:11:22,359
Speaker 4: I'll just give it one more time. YouTube dot com.

1404
01:11:22,359 --> 01:11:25,119
Speaker 5: That's a slash Clippers at Clippers podcast, So that's where

1405
01:11:25,119 --> 01:11:26,119
you can check us out.

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Speaker 4: And leave your dip recipes. We want to know. But yeah,

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however you listen, however you watch this show, you know

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we appreciate you.

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Speaker 2: We will Adam beach you. If you don't put in

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the amount of times that you have to.

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01:11:36,520 --> 01:11:38,920
Speaker 4: Say it, I don't get to wear a hat.

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Speaker 5: I think that's one of the punishments on the show,

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is you don't get to wear a hat.

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Speaker 4: I live sometimes and sometimes you need the hat.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes you need the hat. Justin Russell, thank you so

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01:11:49,560 --> 01:11:51,119
much for coming on. Thank you so much for the

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01:11:51,199 --> 01:11:54,520
coverage for the Clippers. Where can people find your fantastic work.

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Speaker 2: You can find me on substack at Justin Russo dot

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01:11:57,720 --> 01:12:01,880
substack dot com. As I mentioned, I'm covering the La

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Sparks during the downtime of the Clipper season. I'm still

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putting out Clipper stuff though, and I am looking quite

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likely to do coverage for l A f C and

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Angel City FC. If people are interested in sl so

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I'll be going down there, potentially going down there for

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games or excuse me, matches, I gotta sorry, sorry, but yeah,

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so if you want to see so, if you want to,

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if you want any uh stuff, you can go to

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the sub stack and I'll be there beyond that. No,

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01:12:38,239 --> 01:12:40,039
I've just you know, it's been a great off season

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actually for me. I will say this, it's good. It's

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great to always see you guys. And I I think

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Chuck knows this. I don't know if you guys know this.

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I still have a Jiff saved of Chuck from one

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01:12:50,399 --> 01:12:52,720
of the podcast episodes this year where you're just sitting

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01:12:52,760 --> 01:12:57,520
here like this and he just goes and I just

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want you to know it's in my Jiff rotation. I

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have various group chats.

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Speaker 1: I get paid half of a half of a penny

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every time someone uses that gift. So let's get that

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out of there.

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Speaker 2: Listen, Steve Bomber's got to compensate you one way, you know, Yeah, well,

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these tanks aren't going to pay for themselves.

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01:13:12,600 --> 01:13:16,960
Speaker 1: Exactly, maybe a little closer than Roe four. Adam, you

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01:13:17,079 --> 01:13:20,680
have the hardest job on this podcast. One positive thing

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01:13:20,720 --> 01:13:23,359
to send these Clippers fans out this weekend.

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Speaker 3: All right, you know what? I gave you, guys some

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ammo at follow out of bay over the next two

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or three weeks as the Oklahoma City Thunder go on

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01:13:33,079 --> 01:13:35,760
to win the championship and SGA is the finals MVP,

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01:13:36,000 --> 01:13:39,720
I would recommend looking for a sweet that I'll probably

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01:13:39,720 --> 01:13:43,640
pin to my profile that reviews all the reactions to

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the initial trade back in twenty nineteen between the Clippers

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01:13:46,880 --> 01:13:49,199
and the Oklahoma stee Thunder, because a lot of those

1454
01:13:49,319 --> 01:13:51,960
same media talking heads that will be dunking on the

1455
01:13:51,960 --> 01:13:54,399
Clippers very often right now and saying, how could you

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01:13:54,399 --> 01:13:57,399
have traded SG and all these pinks? They did not

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01:13:57,560 --> 01:14:01,000
say that at the time of the trade. I don't

1458
01:14:01,039 --> 01:14:02,920
know if this will make you feel better. I don't

1459
01:14:02,920 --> 01:14:05,000
know if it will just help you in argument. I

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01:14:05,000 --> 01:14:06,680
don't know if you just are interested to see what

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01:14:06,760 --> 01:14:10,760
Skip Bayless and Shannon Sharp were arguing about that then.

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01:14:11,000 --> 01:14:13,680
But maybe check out the video. You know, I keep

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01:14:13,720 --> 01:14:16,079
their seats, so I did for this trade as well,

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and it's up at fall out of May.

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01:14:18,439 --> 01:14:20,399
Speaker 1: It is. It's also up on our pod. We just

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retweeted it. It's a fantastic cut. I watched the whole thing.

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01:14:23,800 --> 01:14:25,239
Don't know if it made me feel better, but I

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01:14:25,279 --> 01:14:27,600
went hell yeah for most of it, if that makes sense.

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Speaker 3: Nothing's gonna make us feel better, obviously.

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Speaker 1: Thank you everyone for hanging out. I guess we'll be back

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next week, and as always, let's go Clipse.