Speaker 1: Viewer looks like it's getting ready to kind of potentially roll.
Speaker 2: Your has been strong though, and now it's going to roll.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's been strong thinking that you're gonna
have peace.
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where hit another turning point here? What is the model
saying about Ukraine? Now? With all the peace efforts that
are supposedly taking place now, are they legitimate or is
it just more stagecraft state craft for the masses to
make people think they are trying to do something even
when they're not.
Speaker 1: No, I think you gotta split in half. I mean
Trump really is trying to do something if Europe is
trying to stop them from doing anything. You know, I've
been warning them. I said, you know, be very careful.
You know, Europe is in dire straits and they will
stab Trump in the back every chance they get. And
just look at how they reviewed this and saw it
as very serious. The Neo Khans, you know, I mean
I was in the middle of them back, you know,
when Bush Junior was around h and so I got
to see really how they function, what they think about.
And the number one rule they have is never talked
to your opponent and your adversary. When Robald Reagan wanted
to go meet with Gorbertroff in ninety one when the
hope you know, us the thora collapsed, they couldn't call
him a communist anymore. So they said he was, oh,
you could just never trust to Russian and he went anyhow,
he refused to listen to them. But if you look
at that's their m O. They always tell do not
talk to Putin why because that might lead to a
peace deal. And I've spoken to you know, several governments there. Uh,
And I said, has anybody picked up the phone to
try to even call Putin, give me a name, please.
Nobody could. So the theatric cheer is that you had
all of them, including NATO Poppler plane income to Washington
to support Zelensky. What it's they don't want peace. It
all met clandestinely with uh Zelensky before his meeting in
the Ukrainian embassy. Okay, they don't want peace. You know.
This is what you know I've been told from you
know all along here it's and in all honesty, I mean,
as you know, we had you know, two employees in Ukraine,
one and then asking them one in in Kiev. And
even when at the very beginning and Putin had his
tanks up against you know, down the road outside of Kiev,
I said, you know, I was concerned. I said, gee,
or you know, you're okay, what's going on? And he
said they're doing nothing. It's just a show. So he
could have taken Kiev right then and there if he
won it. He did all right, it was more of
a show of force to say see look and they
pulled back it. What goes on here is I mean,
we started this whole nonsense. You had John McCain on
the stage of My Dad. You know, oh we're with you.
This is about It's all only about you. Peace. All
this nonsense right now, they had peace. They were through
the government. They installed an intim government which in nin
instantly then was told to start to attack the dumbas
you had. Victoria Newlan there for handing out sandwiches. Am
I not? Oliver Stone did a thing Ukraine on fire
and showed that Ukrainians wanted the US to intervene, and
Victoria Newlan said, we can't do that. You know, you
need at least one hundred people, you know, killed, then
maybe we can look at it. They Ukrainians were bringing
over one at a time for their own snipers to
kill one hundred people, and they killed one hundred to
say okay, well now you will you come in. I
mean it. Look it where I was told from direct
sources that they did not believe Zelenski won. They believed
that the election was all right, and that's why when
he took office, I put out a report. I said, look,
this is the guy I've been told that was picked
hand picked no Less to start World War three, and
he ran for election. The death toll was one hundred
to thirty thousand at the time, and he ran for election.
You can look it up. Who was in CNN. His
whole platform was peace and you got over a million
dead since and he's refused it just about everything. You know,
this little stitch here our constitution forbids us to give
them any territory one whatsoever. So in other words, Russia,
you have to get completely out. You have to surrender.
That's it, you know, I don't see a solution long
term here. I mean, Zulens, he's got to go. And
I have put this flat out like to Washington as
you're not going to get any piece as long as
this guy is there. Every source I had said he
was handticked to create war. The Ukrainian people. I mean
his polls are down like twenty five percent. The vast
majority they want peace, Okay, everyone, all right, over eight
million have fled. The two employees we had or in
Berlin now and thou not to go back. Where has
this war been for the Ukrainian people? And I can
tell you they you know the same thing was going
on in Romania the first election. Oh well he was
it was rigged by Russia. So they wouldn't allow the
guy to take office. What because in Romania. That is
where they're building. It was initially a secret base, the
largest NATO base in all of Europe in Romania to
attack Russia. And that's what he was against. So they
had to get rid of him. Then they just date
this second election, and I know people that were there,
they said even the crone went to make sure the
EU won and the Romanian people, like the Ukrainian they
know they're just pawns in this. They do not want
to go to war with Russia. What do you get
out of this? You know, the dom boss is primarily
all Russian. Fifteen percent of Crimea are still Tartars from
the old Mongol invasion of twelve forty. You know, he
Zelensky has outlawed their language, outlawed their religion. Even the
pulp came out against them, and so you cannot, you know,
you know, invalidate you know, Orthodox Christianity.
Speaker 2: Trump, get us out of this mess.
Speaker 1: I believe what Trump has done. And like I said,
I've been screaming in Washington as luck loud as I can.
I think just starting to listen. You know, I've warned
them that look, Europe is going to stab you in
the back. They need this war. Uh, they're desperate. The
economy is collapsing, the EU will crumble. I mean, I
do interviews from Netherlands to Palermo. Everybody. Three years ago
it was you really think the EU will break up?
And now I get when we've had enough, you know,
by do them In Croatia, Serbia, I mean, everybody says
the same thing, largely because you know, when you have
a centralized government, they get drunk on power. This was
supposed to be an economic trade union. No, you will
take migrants here in Romania. They just told them you
will accept one hundred thousand Africans and Middle Eastern you know,
that is their decree. Why I can also, I'll tell
you the reason why is that they think which is
going to backfire on them. They think bringing in all
these migrants and then they can draft them and that
will be their army to go after Russia. The problem
they have is that they're not going to risk their
life for them. You know, this is the same stupid
mistake that the Roman emperor Vwin's made. He let the
Goths in because the till of the hunt was coming.
Train them very nice, you know, to build up his
army against the till up. They always hated Romans. They
turned around, waged war in Rome, killed the emperor, beheaded
him in battle, you know. Or is Europe doing the
same stupid thing?
Speaker 2: Mh.
Speaker 1: You know, and you're bringing in these people who have
no loyalty to you. They're not there to assimilate. You know.
You go to Sweden, you know, police won't even go
into areas. They've hung up signed sheer of law. Here.
It's not that when everybody came to America, you know,
it was to make a better life and to be free, etcetera.
Once everybody began speaking the same language, everybody intermarried, all right,
So yes, the American I'm half German, half Irish, whatever,
or Italian or whatever. You don't see that in Yorpe
so much. Yeah, you know, because the language keeps people apart.
Speaker 2: What do they say about the US and England where
two people divided by a common language, right?
Speaker 1: Pretty much? Yeah, I mean it's look Europe is I
don't know, for whatever cultural reason. The ethnic differences there
maybe harbored by the language, but they don't disappear, you know.
The chancefer of Germany in eighteen eighty eight said that
there was going to be a major war in Europe,
and it's going to come from the Balkans. Anybody that's
dealt with them is the ethnic hatred just goes back centuries.
I mean, as I said, we gave you know, graise
a handful of jets and what did make the front
page news? Oh, now we can do a sneak attack
on Turkey. To NATO countries. Yeah, you go to England,
you know, and they still call Catholics papes and that's
from the Civil War sixteen fifty you know. You know,
I've been to Bavaria and they said, oh, tomorrow's the holiday.
I said, what's the holiday? We won the war? I said,
which one are we talking about? You know, and it's like, oh,
we defeated frustrated, No, that was the you know, Protestant
versus Catholic you know, I mean, this stuff goes on
and on and on. And the solution to Ukraine it's
very simple. You know. They had the men's agreement putin
signed it and you had Merkels basically outright said, well,
we never intended to honor it. All right. They've wanted
this war from the beginning and it you know, they've
always tried to conquer Russia because it's the richest country
in the world from a natural resource perspective. Sweden tried,
Spain tried it. I mean, you know, Germany tried. It's
like somebody's got, you know, a pile one thousand dollars
cash shitting on the table, and gee, it doesn't look nice,
you know, and they just want to get their hands
on it. I don't know what it, you know, but.
Speaker 2: It's doesn't it make sense to work with them because
they Russia doesn't have the talent pool or the the
human capital to exploit all those resources. If they kind
of joined together and stop wasting all their money on
military hardware and actually got down and started realizing the
value of Russia's resources, everyone would be better off, wouldn't they.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Look, I have actually had discussions with high level
people in France. They call the Crone the petite.
Speaker 2: Napoleon, and that's redundant.
Speaker 1: The view is this, and I think it's the the
this goes back to even to the American Revolution, that
they feel that if they can conquer Russia and get
the assets for themselves, that Europe arise from you know, oblivion,
and seventy five trillion is twice the size US national debt,
and they will become the Roman Empire again and rule
the world. It's delusional, it's absolutely delusional. But I said,
you've got to be kidding me. People are actually discussing this. Yes,
I mean it was Macron who was the first one
and one to send troops into the Ukraine, knowing that
would be World War three. And so this meeting every
country came with NATO that was basically choreographing something very important.
We don't want peace, we're here, and they had said
we're standing behind Ukraine. We don't give a shit about
the United States. That's really what that message was.
Speaker 2: That's insane. So the model, nothing's changed on it. It's
still saying what it's said before.
Speaker 1: Yeah, look at volatility will start going up starting in
September next year. Doesn't look good. And look the problem here,
and I have Warren Washington, and and first I thought
maybe they would think I was a conspiracy theorist or whatever,
but I said, look, we got to get the hell
out of NATO. They're going to do a false flag
and try and invoke Article five and drag US in.
And the response I got back was we know you're right,
I got wow, oh pick, we're starting may progress here.
So what Trump has done is saying, all right, fine,
we will give you Article five like security without taking
in absorbing you know, Ukrainian to NATO. What's the difference.
Difference is if they join NATO, they can park nukes there.
So this is kind of cutting the baby in half.
So like Putin basically said, okay to that, he's not
going to have nukes on his border.
Speaker 2: No solomonic decision.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's it's a reasonable decision, all right. I
mean I argued, Look, the solution is very clear, just
on in an inst agreement. Let the dumbbas you know,
vote and separate. You're all you know, we know we're
giving up any territory, all right. Czechoslovakia split on ethnic lines,
Czech Republic, Slovakia, we had Yugoslavia breakup, all right, you
got Monteneglar, you got you know, Serbia, you got Croatia,
all along ethnic lines of course, right yeah, I mean,
you know, I know Serrps and and they still hate Armenians.
Speaker 2: It's just it will say it. And the same with Cyprus.
You got the Greek half of the island in the
Turkish yeah, I'm.
Speaker 1: Going to solve these things. Iran versus Israel. It's a
religious thing, you know. Where is it You can't negotiate
my god against your god. I mean, that's not that's
not negotiable.
Speaker 2: That subject to negotiation for sure.
Speaker 1: So it Lands is one thing, you know, I'll give
you this, you get me that, you know, But when
you're talking about ethnic differences and religion, you're not getting anywhere.
And you have to respect there are differences in motivations
for war.
Speaker 2: Okay, So some of what you said before we're going
to have to put into part two because our digital
overlords will censor.
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