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Speaker 1: Viewer looks like it's getting ready to kind of potentially roll.

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Speaker 2: Your has been strong though, and now it's going to roll.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's been strong thinking that you're gonna

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have peace.

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Economics sign up for his daily newsletter. Marty, it's like

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where hit another turning point here? What is the model

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saying about Ukraine? Now? With all the peace efforts that

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are supposedly taking place now, are they legitimate or is

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it just more stagecraft state craft for the masses to

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make people think they are trying to do something even

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when they're not.

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Speaker 1: No, I think you gotta split in half. I mean

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Trump really is trying to do something if Europe is

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trying to stop them from doing anything. You know, I've

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been warning them. I said, you know, be very careful.

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You know, Europe is in dire straits and they will

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stab Trump in the back every chance they get. And

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just look at how they reviewed this and saw it

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as very serious. The Neo Khans, you know, I mean

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I was in the middle of them back, you know,

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when Bush Junior was around h and so I got

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to see really how they function, what they think about.

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And the number one rule they have is never talked

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to your opponent and your adversary. When Robald Reagan wanted

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to go meet with Gorbertroff in ninety one when the

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hope you know, us the thora collapsed, they couldn't call

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him a communist anymore. So they said he was, oh,

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you could just never trust to Russian and he went anyhow,

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he refused to listen to them. But if you look

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at that's their m O. They always tell do not

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talk to Putin why because that might lead to a

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peace deal. And I've spoken to you know, several governments there. Uh,

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And I said, has anybody picked up the phone to

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try to even call Putin, give me a name, please.

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Nobody could. So the theatric cheer is that you had

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all of them, including NATO Poppler plane income to Washington

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to support Zelensky. What it's they don't want peace. It

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all met clandestinely with uh Zelensky before his meeting in

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the Ukrainian embassy. Okay, they don't want peace. You know.

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This is what you know I've been told from you

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know all along here it's and in all honesty, I mean,

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as you know, we had you know, two employees in Ukraine,

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one and then asking them one in in Kiev. And

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even when at the very beginning and Putin had his

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tanks up against you know, down the road outside of Kiev,

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I said, you know, I was concerned. I said, gee,

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or you know, you're okay, what's going on? And he

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said they're doing nothing. It's just a show. So he

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could have taken Kiev right then and there if he

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won it. He did all right, it was more of

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a show of force to say see look and they

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pulled back it. What goes on here is I mean,

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we started this whole nonsense. You had John McCain on

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the stage of My Dad. You know, oh we're with you.

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This is about It's all only about you. Peace. All

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this nonsense right now, they had peace. They were through

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the government. They installed an intim government which in nin

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instantly then was told to start to attack the dumbas

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you had. Victoria Newlan there for handing out sandwiches. Am

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I not? Oliver Stone did a thing Ukraine on fire

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and showed that Ukrainians wanted the US to intervene, and

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Victoria Newlan said, we can't do that. You know, you

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need at least one hundred people, you know, killed, then

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maybe we can look at it. They Ukrainians were bringing

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over one at a time for their own snipers to

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kill one hundred people, and they killed one hundred to

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say okay, well now you will you come in. I

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mean it. Look it where I was told from direct

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sources that they did not believe Zelenski won. They believed

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that the election was all right, and that's why when

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he took office, I put out a report. I said, look,

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this is the guy I've been told that was picked

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hand picked no Less to start World War three, and

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he ran for election. The death toll was one hundred

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to thirty thousand at the time, and he ran for election.

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You can look it up. Who was in CNN. His

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whole platform was peace and you got over a million

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dead since and he's refused it just about everything. You know,

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this little stitch here our constitution forbids us to give

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them any territory one whatsoever. So in other words, Russia,

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you have to get completely out. You have to surrender.

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term here. I mean, Zulens, he's got to go. And

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I have put this flat out like to Washington as

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you're not going to get any piece as long as

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this guy is there. Every source I had said he

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was handticked to create war. The Ukrainian people. I mean

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his polls are down like twenty five percent. The vast

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majority they want peace, Okay, everyone, all right, over eight

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million have fled. The two employees we had or in

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Berlin now and thou not to go back. Where has

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this war been for the Ukrainian people? And I can

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tell you they you know the same thing was going

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on in Romania the first election. Oh well he was

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it was rigged by Russia. So they wouldn't allow the

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guy to take office. What because in Romania. That is

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where they're building. It was initially a secret base, the

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largest NATO base in all of Europe in Romania to

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attack Russia. And that's what he was against. So they

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had to get rid of him. Then they just date

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this second election, and I know people that were there,

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they said even the crone went to make sure the

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EU won and the Romanian people, like the Ukrainian they

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know they're just pawns in this. They do not want

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to go to war with Russia. What do you get

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out of this? You know, the dom boss is primarily

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all Russian. Fifteen percent of Crimea are still Tartars from

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the old Mongol invasion of twelve forty. You know, he

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Zelensky has outlawed their language, outlawed their religion. Even the

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pulp came out against them, and so you cannot, you know,

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you know, invalidate you know, Orthodox Christianity.

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Speaker 2: Trump, get us out of this mess.

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Speaker 1: I believe what Trump has done. And like I said,

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I've been screaming in Washington as luck loud as I can.

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I think just starting to listen. You know, I've warned

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them that look, Europe is going to stab you in

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the back. They need this war. Uh, they're desperate. The

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economy is collapsing, the EU will crumble. I mean, I

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do interviews from Netherlands to Palermo. Everybody. Three years ago

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it was you really think the EU will break up?

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And now I get when we've had enough, you know,

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by do them In Croatia, Serbia, I mean, everybody says

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the same thing, largely because you know, when you have

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a centralized government, they get drunk on power. This was

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supposed to be an economic trade union. No, you will

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take migrants here in Romania. They just told them you

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will accept one hundred thousand Africans and Middle Eastern you know,

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that is their decree. Why I can also, I'll tell

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you the reason why is that they think which is

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going to backfire on them. They think bringing in all

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these migrants and then they can draft them and that

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will be their army to go after Russia. The problem

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they have is that they're not going to risk their

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life for them. You know, this is the same stupid

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mistake that the Roman emperor Vwin's made. He let the

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Goths in because the till of the hunt was coming.

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Train them very nice, you know, to build up his

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army against the till up. They always hated Romans. They

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turned around, waged war in Rome, killed the emperor, beheaded

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him in battle, you know. Or is Europe doing the

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same stupid thing?

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Speaker 2: Mh.

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Speaker 1: You know, and you're bringing in these people who have

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no loyalty to you. They're not there to assimilate. You know.

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You go to Sweden, you know, police won't even go

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into areas. They've hung up signed sheer of law. Here.

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It's not that when everybody came to America, you know,

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it was to make a better life and to be free, etcetera.

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Once everybody began speaking the same language, everybody intermarried, all right,

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So yes, the American I'm half German, half Irish, whatever,

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or Italian or whatever. You don't see that in Yorpe

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so much. Yeah, you know, because the language keeps people apart.

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Speaker 2: What do they say about the US and England where

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two people divided by a common language, right?

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Speaker 1: Pretty much? Yeah, I mean it's look Europe is I

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don't know, for whatever cultural reason. The ethnic differences there

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maybe harbored by the language, but they don't disappear, you know.

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The chancefer of Germany in eighteen eighty eight said that

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there was going to be a major war in Europe,

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and it's going to come from the Balkans. Anybody that's

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dealt with them is the ethnic hatred just goes back centuries.

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I mean, as I said, we gave you know, graise

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a handful of jets and what did make the front

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page news? Oh, now we can do a sneak attack

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on Turkey. To NATO countries. Yeah, you go to England,

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you know, and they still call Catholics papes and that's

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from the Civil War sixteen fifty you know. You know,

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I've been to Bavaria and they said, oh, tomorrow's the holiday.

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I said, what's the holiday? We won the war? I said,

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which one are we talking about? You know, and it's like, oh,

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we defeated frustrated, No, that was the you know, Protestant

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versus Catholic you know, I mean, this stuff goes on

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and on and on. And the solution to Ukraine it's

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very simple. You know. They had the men's agreement putin

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signed it and you had Merkels basically outright said, well,

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we never intended to honor it. All right. They've wanted

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this war from the beginning and it you know, they've

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always tried to conquer Russia because it's the richest country

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in the world from a natural resource perspective. Sweden tried,

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Spain tried it. I mean, you know, Germany tried. It's

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like somebody's got, you know, a pile one thousand dollars

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cash shitting on the table, and gee, it doesn't look nice,

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you know, and they just want to get their hands

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on it. I don't know what it, you know, but.

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Speaker 2: It's doesn't it make sense to work with them because

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they Russia doesn't have the talent pool or the the

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human capital to exploit all those resources. If they kind

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of joined together and stop wasting all their money on

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military hardware and actually got down and started realizing the

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value of Russia's resources, everyone would be better off, wouldn't they.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Look, I have actually had discussions with high level

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people in France. They call the Crone the petite.

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Speaker 2: Napoleon, and that's redundant.

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Speaker 1: The view is this, and I think it's the the

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this goes back to even to the American Revolution, that

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they feel that if they can conquer Russia and get

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the assets for themselves, that Europe arise from you know, oblivion,

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and seventy five trillion is twice the size US national debt,

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and they will become the Roman Empire again and rule

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the world. It's delusional, it's absolutely delusional. But I said,

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you've got to be kidding me. People are actually discussing this. Yes,

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I mean it was Macron who was the first one

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and one to send troops into the Ukraine, knowing that

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would be World War three. And so this meeting every

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country came with NATO that was basically choreographing something very important.

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We don't want peace, we're here, and they had said

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we're standing behind Ukraine. We don't give a shit about

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the United States. That's really what that message was.

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Speaker 2: That's insane. So the model, nothing's changed on it. It's

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still saying what it's said before.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, look at volatility will start going up starting in

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September next year. Doesn't look good. And look the problem here,

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and I have Warren Washington, and and first I thought

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maybe they would think I was a conspiracy theorist or whatever,

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but I said, look, we got to get the hell

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out of NATO. They're going to do a false flag

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and try and invoke Article five and drag US in.

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And the response I got back was we know you're right,

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I got wow, oh pick, we're starting may progress here.

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So what Trump has done is saying, all right, fine,

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we will give you Article five like security without taking

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in absorbing you know, Ukrainian to NATO. What's the difference.

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Difference is if they join NATO, they can park nukes there.

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So this is kind of cutting the baby in half.

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So like Putin basically said, okay to that, he's not

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going to have nukes on his border.

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Speaker 2: No solomonic decision.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's it's a reasonable decision, all right. I

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mean I argued, Look, the solution is very clear, just

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on in an inst agreement. Let the dumbbas you know,

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vote and separate. You're all you know, we know we're

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giving up any territory, all right. Czechoslovakia split on ethnic lines,

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Czech Republic, Slovakia, we had Yugoslavia breakup, all right, you

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got Monteneglar, you got you know, Serbia, you got Croatia,

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all along ethnic lines of course, right yeah, I mean,

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you know, I know Serrps and and they still hate Armenians.

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Speaker 2: It's just it will say it. And the same with Cyprus.

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You got the Greek half of the island in the

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Turkish yeah, I'm.

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Speaker 1: Going to solve these things. Iran versus Israel. It's a

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religious thing, you know. Where is it You can't negotiate

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my god against your god. I mean, that's not that's

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not negotiable.

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Speaker 2: That subject to negotiation for sure.

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Speaker 1: So it Lands is one thing, you know, I'll give

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you this, you get me that, you know, But when

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you're talking about ethnic differences and religion, you're not getting anywhere.

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And you have to respect there are differences in motivations

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for war.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So some of what you said before we're going

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overlords will censor.

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