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The war for truth start here. 11 00:00:55.640 --> 00:00:57.799 This is India Today Podcasts. 12 00:01:02.280 --> 00:01:05.959 You are on India Today Podcasts and you are in 13 00:01:06.000 --> 00:01:09.840 the sledging room. Let me warn you this is not 14 00:01:09.920 --> 00:01:13.000 a place for the faint hearted and the weak need. 15 00:01:13.519 --> 00:01:13.959 If you're a. 16 00:01:13.959 --> 00:01:18.120 Sports buff and like challenging everything you see. Young Gia, stay, 17 00:01:18.319 --> 00:01:21.159 If you're a Sulaata fan, walk away. 18 00:01:21.799 --> 00:01:43.200 Right now. 19 00:01:35.959 --> 00:01:38.560 We are back in the sledging room. Sorrow and Alan 20 00:01:38.680 --> 00:01:41.959 joined me for this week sort of, let's talk about it. 21 00:01:42.120 --> 00:01:44.959 Let's dive straight into the topic. Talk about the biggest 22 00:01:45.000 --> 00:01:49.840 event in England this week. What is it we're at 23 00:01:49.879 --> 00:01:50.680 watching Wimbledon. 24 00:01:51.519 --> 00:01:54.719 Okay, was it needed? The reactions? 25 00:01:55.519 --> 00:01:58.799 Why is the thirty six year old retired cricketer watching 26 00:01:58.799 --> 00:02:03.000 a thirty eight year old Djokovic playing? So many reactions 27 00:02:03.000 --> 00:02:04.280 like that sort of You were also saying that when 28 00:02:04.280 --> 00:02:08.280 Doni comes here they go, but when Kali comes, they 29 00:02:08.400 --> 00:02:11.280 look at his body language, they talk about his marriage. 30 00:02:11.800 --> 00:02:14.719 Poor guy. One photo from one photo we have in 31 00:02:14.759 --> 00:02:18.479 for so many things. Unnecessary is what I think, and 32 00:02:18.560 --> 00:02:22.280 this topic is also a little unnecessary. Let's drift away 33 00:02:22.919 --> 00:02:26.560 to talk about what we came here to talk the 34 00:02:26.639 --> 00:02:31.199 fantastic win for Team India. You know, I genuinely believed 35 00:02:31.240 --> 00:02:34.919 after the Leeds defeat that probably this team will be 36 00:02:34.960 --> 00:02:38.599 cornered here with the style that England played. They chase 37 00:02:38.759 --> 00:02:41.719 three hundred and seventy odd in the first Test on 38 00:02:41.759 --> 00:02:44.479 the fifth day, and I thought, Okay, that's how it's 39 00:02:44.520 --> 00:02:48.240 going to be. Maybe India might do well and still lose. 40 00:02:48.280 --> 00:02:52.240 That would be disheartening to see like what happened in Leeds. 41 00:02:52.719 --> 00:02:57.639 But in Birmingham, schumannil showed that Okay, we are a 42 00:02:57.639 --> 00:03:00.599 young team, we don't have the superstars, but still are 43 00:03:00.639 --> 00:03:03.159 the best cricketers in the world. As in, can you 44 00:03:03.639 --> 00:03:07.680 discount that fact that Schumann, Rishab Karun, all of them 45 00:03:07.719 --> 00:03:12.039 are finest among the finest. Did you expect that sorp 46 00:03:12.039 --> 00:03:13.599 Did you expect the win? Did you expect the win? 47 00:03:13.680 --> 00:03:13.800 Now? 48 00:03:15.400 --> 00:03:18.280 See to be very honest now, because of how the 49 00:03:18.360 --> 00:03:21.639 team was set up, Like I said, the first three 50 00:03:21.719 --> 00:03:24.439 hours of the day would have all been about if 51 00:03:24.479 --> 00:03:26.280 you looked at it. You had Aaron Finnch, you had 52 00:03:26.319 --> 00:03:29.840 Tom Moody. You had everybody talk about, oh why is 53 00:03:29.879 --> 00:03:33.080 Bumrah not playing? You want to win and however you're 54 00:03:33.120 --> 00:03:35.400 not going to do it without just with Boomra? Why 55 00:03:35.439 --> 00:03:38.000 is cool they not playing? So this was the storm 56 00:03:38.039 --> 00:03:41.599 that was surrounding the Indian team. You had people trolling Kambir. 57 00:03:41.719 --> 00:03:45.560 You had rubbish Astri come out and publicly slam the 58 00:03:45.599 --> 00:03:48.919 team management saying that this is not the right team. 59 00:03:48.960 --> 00:03:52.759 I cannot agree with it, and a lot of comments 60 00:03:52.759 --> 00:03:55.759 were made and that day I had written how amidst 61 00:03:55.800 --> 00:03:59.599 all this commotion? It was that calmness from Schumann Gill 62 00:03:59.719 --> 00:04:02.639 that should have gotten the spotlight that how he played 63 00:04:02.639 --> 00:04:05.560 that innings so once he got two hundred, I was like, okay, 64 00:04:05.599 --> 00:04:08.759 Shuman has always been that guy who gets to a hundred. 65 00:04:08.840 --> 00:04:11.120 But you know you he does not kick on and 66 00:04:11.240 --> 00:04:14.120 like get to a big score like how Rochhama used 67 00:04:14.159 --> 00:04:15.120 to do in Odia cricket. 68 00:04:15.639 --> 00:04:17.920 Then he went, then he continued going. 69 00:04:18.279 --> 00:04:20.680 Then I think England and everybody was like, is he 70 00:04:20.759 --> 00:04:23.600 going to go go score a three hundred. Finally he 71 00:04:23.639 --> 00:04:25.959 got tired and he lost it. That was it, and 72 00:04:26.000 --> 00:04:28.879 then the second innings. My god, that day four, I 73 00:04:28.959 --> 00:04:31.319 still remember the commotion here. Everybody was like, when are 74 00:04:31.319 --> 00:04:35.879 we retiring? When are we retire? Declaring sorry? I think 75 00:04:36.199 --> 00:04:40.600 made me there. But that moment also, like it was 76 00:04:40.639 --> 00:04:43.920 so exciting to watch that team play on day four. 77 00:04:44.439 --> 00:04:46.360 You did not know, like what is going to be 78 00:04:46.399 --> 00:04:50.240 their next move. It was absolute carnage. I think Gil 79 00:04:50.319 --> 00:04:53.000 went from ten of twenty or something to one sixty 80 00:04:53.040 --> 00:04:56.519 one from one sixty two balls. It was just pure carnage. 81 00:04:56.519 --> 00:05:00.920 And we gave England, a supposed team that is known 82 00:05:01.000 --> 00:05:04.160 for their bold batting, a taste of their own medicine. 83 00:05:04.240 --> 00:05:07.720 So that was absolutely brilliant to watch. Day five I 84 00:05:07.839 --> 00:05:10.240 had to travel a little bit here and there, so 85 00:05:10.279 --> 00:05:13.360 I did not watch it. But agashi water performance that 86 00:05:13.560 --> 00:05:17.120 was simply sublime, and he has shown that he deserves 87 00:05:17.120 --> 00:05:18.959 a place in the team. So yeah, I did not 88 00:05:19.079 --> 00:05:21.959 expect it, but the way the wind come came, it 89 00:05:22.000 --> 00:05:22.879 was pure joy. 90 00:05:23.000 --> 00:05:23.759 At the end of the day. 91 00:05:23.800 --> 00:05:26.160 I still remember sort of texting me on day one 92 00:05:26.279 --> 00:05:30.319 morning as in afternoon here, morning there, that I want 93 00:05:30.399 --> 00:05:32.639 Gotham to be sacked. I think he had to lose 94 00:05:32.680 --> 00:05:35.839 this test touse this series. He was so miffed to 95 00:05:35.879 --> 00:05:38.680 the team selection that yeah, we all knew that Boomra 96 00:05:38.879 --> 00:05:41.240 might or might not play. They didn't confirm it until 97 00:05:41.240 --> 00:05:45.720 the leven was out, but eventually Boomra didn't play, and 98 00:05:45.759 --> 00:05:49.959 then Kuldib didn't play two wicket taking options not playing press. 99 00:05:49.959 --> 00:05:53.680 He retained after an ordinary Test in Leeds. So what 100 00:05:53.800 --> 00:05:56.120 was the mindset tub and how did it change over 101 00:05:56.160 --> 00:05:57.160 the course of five days. 102 00:05:57.360 --> 00:06:00.319 See, if you talk about the mindset the Indian team 103 00:06:00.360 --> 00:06:03.879 with whatever happened in the first chest, I had bare 104 00:06:03.920 --> 00:06:08.240 minium confidence on this team winning the match, especially when 105 00:06:08.240 --> 00:06:11.879 you don't have someone like Boomra and a team which 106 00:06:11.920 --> 00:06:15.199 has a pasuit of Siraj who has always worked hard 107 00:06:15.519 --> 00:06:19.720 but he was not getting those wickets. Then, oh my god, 108 00:06:21.399 --> 00:06:23.720 amongst all these things which is happened in the sis match, 109 00:06:23.959 --> 00:06:27.040 Krishna was I think the only concerning point for us 110 00:06:27.360 --> 00:06:29.120 for the amount of runs he considered in the first 111 00:06:29.160 --> 00:06:32.560 Chest and the second Test, and especially you know, to 112 00:06:32.600 --> 00:06:37.600 be very frank with you, the way this transition is 113 00:06:37.600 --> 00:06:42.600 happening like midway you saw after the Austia series retired, 114 00:06:43.120 --> 00:06:46.000 then Kohali retired and then we all expected Bumrah to 115 00:06:46.000 --> 00:06:48.519 be the captain. But Buomorra, citing the workload concerns, did 116 00:06:48.519 --> 00:06:51.160 not become the captain. Schumann Gil was handed over responsibility. 117 00:06:51.680 --> 00:06:53.600 And I will not shy away from the fact that 118 00:06:53.639 --> 00:06:56.120 I was the one who questioned the move. We three 119 00:06:56.160 --> 00:06:58.439 were doing the podcast and then I was the one 120 00:06:58.439 --> 00:07:01.800 who said that how is this decision for a batsman 121 00:07:01.800 --> 00:07:05.120 who has not scored run overseas scored runs overseas? How 122 00:07:05.160 --> 00:07:07.639 are you giving him that most important role the captain 123 00:07:07.680 --> 00:07:11.639 cey of Indian Test team. But Schumann Gill, for all 124 00:07:11.680 --> 00:07:15.560 the criticism that he faced from all corners of the world, 125 00:07:16.000 --> 00:07:18.399 hats off to him for what he did with the 126 00:07:18.439 --> 00:07:22.439 bat because yes, I'm not taking anything away from Akaze. 127 00:07:23.519 --> 00:07:27.360 Taking ten match wickets on that pitch was sensational, especially 128 00:07:27.399 --> 00:07:31.439 after fighting that personal whatever you say, I mean, the 129 00:07:31.519 --> 00:07:36.000 tragic moment is happening in his life. But schumann Gill's batting, 130 00:07:36.439 --> 00:07:39.240 I mean the captain of Indian Test team, his second 131 00:07:39.240 --> 00:07:40.879 match is in the captain and he is scoring four 132 00:07:40.959 --> 00:07:43.959 hundred orderns in the one Test match in England, even 133 00:07:44.000 --> 00:07:46.879 on the flat tracks. How much is Ben sok score? 134 00:07:47.240 --> 00:07:50.560 How much is Benduckets score? What is Joru doing? And 135 00:07:50.600 --> 00:07:54.399 then you see schumann Gill batting it out And you 136 00:07:54.439 --> 00:07:57.399 know the best part for me was they targeted him 137 00:07:57.399 --> 00:07:59.399 with short balls and the way he dealt with that 138 00:08:00.000 --> 00:08:03.879 adwall tactics. He spammed them all across the ground for 139 00:08:03.920 --> 00:08:06.680 six and boundaries and him and the Shippan when they 140 00:08:06.680 --> 00:08:09.439 were batting in the second age, it looked like, oh 141 00:08:09.439 --> 00:08:13.399 my god, this is what baseball is, not that fraud 142 00:08:13.800 --> 00:08:15.920 England team, because England team is a fraud team. 143 00:08:16.600 --> 00:08:18.759 To be very frankly, it's a funny thing because I 144 00:08:18.920 --> 00:08:20.639 was looking through the stats, so we had to write 145 00:08:20.639 --> 00:08:22.480 a copy about what Shupermann was doing. 146 00:08:22.680 --> 00:08:23.639 So he scored a h. 147 00:08:25.240 --> 00:08:27.439 Five hundred runs, so Sabia told me he scored five 148 00:08:27.480 --> 00:08:30.439 hundred runs and he's a second batter to reach five 149 00:08:30.480 --> 00:08:34.039 hundred in India. Was England tests for Indian matter so 150 00:08:34.080 --> 00:08:36.120 I was like, okay, so who's got the highest runs? 151 00:08:36.480 --> 00:08:38.559 So he said, Rakoli, how many runs fire? 152 00:08:38.600 --> 00:08:41.440 And I said this will be broken today only it's 153 00:08:41.440 --> 00:08:44.360 four innings and he scored five eighty five runs at 154 00:08:44.360 --> 00:08:47.759 a staggering average three hundreds in it. That is like, 155 00:08:48.120 --> 00:08:51.399 that is like how Vishas said he batted like Don 156 00:08:51.440 --> 00:08:54.559 Bradman and his captaincy was ten on ten and you 157 00:08:54.679 --> 00:08:57.440 did not expect it. Like I'm pretty sure there were 158 00:08:57.480 --> 00:09:00.000 a lot of people when this we were questioning should 159 00:09:00.240 --> 00:09:02.360 Gill I said, yeah, Schumann Hill is going to be 160 00:09:02.399 --> 00:09:05.960 a captain you and said why is he being made captain? 161 00:09:06.399 --> 00:09:09.360 Sometimes it's like, you know, there was this one wably 162 00:09:09.639 --> 00:09:12.000 reference I'll make there's a long time back. There was 163 00:09:12.039 --> 00:09:14.919 an interview where Triplett said, you know, you take a 164 00:09:15.000 --> 00:09:17.000 lump of cold now that's just carbon. 165 00:09:17.120 --> 00:09:18.440 You apply pressure on it. 166 00:09:18.840 --> 00:09:21.759 You apply so much pressure it either becomes a diamond 167 00:09:21.919 --> 00:09:23.519 or it breaks under the pressure. 168 00:09:23.960 --> 00:09:24.559 Right now with. 169 00:09:24.559 --> 00:09:26.960 Schumann Gill, he's under the most immense pressure that you 170 00:09:27.000 --> 00:09:30.080 can get as a captain of the Indian team right now, 171 00:09:30.120 --> 00:09:34.879 taking after road Sherman and Viraculi leaving the Test format. 172 00:09:35.080 --> 00:09:37.000 It's the biggest pressure that you can get and he's 173 00:09:37.080 --> 00:09:40.480 just excelling it like nobody's business. And also like how 174 00:09:40.559 --> 00:09:44.559 Sauub said, this whole plan of baseball backfired because they 175 00:09:44.559 --> 00:09:47.799 set up a pitch which is perfect for Indian Indian batters. 176 00:09:48.720 --> 00:09:51.080 I don't know what benstocks was saying, Oh, this felt 177 00:09:51.080 --> 00:09:53.879 like a subcontinent pitch. Yeah, you can't play there. That 178 00:09:54.000 --> 00:09:57.080 is your biggest cry there. You will come and cry here, 179 00:09:57.440 --> 00:09:59.480 and now you're crying at your home home. 180 00:10:00.240 --> 00:10:03.440 So yeah, but look at this Roy Sherma and Schumann Gill. 181 00:10:03.720 --> 00:10:06.360 Seems like an upgrade at the moment, right, and King 182 00:10:06.360 --> 00:10:10.480 Shukuari and Alan John, you know, the most logical, the 183 00:10:10.519 --> 00:10:14.480 most science we have spoken in a single episode of Yes, 184 00:10:15.120 --> 00:10:18.440 applied pressure to carbon. When that man sits here, there 185 00:10:18.519 --> 00:10:22.080 is no logic. He would have probably defended basketball. You 186 00:10:22.080 --> 00:10:24.799 would have probably said, oh, no, you can't provide these 187 00:10:24.799 --> 00:10:28.279 flat pitchures, all those nonsense. But I'm happy that someone 188 00:10:28.360 --> 00:10:30.600 is talking logic and science in this room. 189 00:10:31.120 --> 00:10:33.039 Good but yeah, sort of us saying so no. 190 00:10:33.120 --> 00:10:35.600 So when you talk about Ben Strokes, you know one 191 00:10:35.600 --> 00:10:39.120 thing which I realized watching Benstrokes in last six even years, 192 00:10:39.360 --> 00:10:41.159 just there was a period when he was a matchwiller. 193 00:10:42.000 --> 00:10:44.879 But now every time he gets out he makes it 194 00:10:44.919 --> 00:10:47.559 look like it was the ball of century. Like any 195 00:10:47.679 --> 00:10:51.519 baller from any country comes up, even if that baller 196 00:10:51.559 --> 00:10:54.519 is bowling is first, soonder was bowling is first toward England? Right, 197 00:10:54.720 --> 00:10:57.120 first ever Test over in England. He has paid first 198 00:10:57.120 --> 00:11:00.240 Regget and he removes Ben Stokes and Benstocks mixed like, 199 00:11:00.279 --> 00:11:02.600 oh my god, how is Shane one balling? 200 00:11:02.639 --> 00:11:02.840 To me? 201 00:11:03.759 --> 00:11:05.879 And this is what this guy has done. You know, 202 00:11:06.600 --> 00:11:08.879 I was listening to an English commentator. I can't name him, 203 00:11:08.879 --> 00:11:11.559 I don't remember his name, but he said, whenever you 204 00:11:11.799 --> 00:11:14.799 questioned the England Test team, you questioned Jack Jack Crawley, 205 00:11:14.879 --> 00:11:17.399 you question olipop. But do you know who is the 206 00:11:17.440 --> 00:11:20.039 only batter in that top order, in the middlewatter who 207 00:11:20.039 --> 00:11:22.200 has not scored one hundred in last three years? Ben 208 00:11:22.240 --> 00:11:26.480 Sookes so the captain for all the hype that he has, 209 00:11:27.039 --> 00:11:29.440 and like our King Shukusar said that he has the aura. 210 00:11:30.000 --> 00:11:32.000 He's the most oralist batsman that you will ever see 211 00:11:32.000 --> 00:11:32.840 in English conditions. 212 00:11:33.360 --> 00:11:36.320 And more importantly, I think he's now under immense pressure. 213 00:11:37.279 --> 00:11:39.399 You could see f it's that from the body language 214 00:11:39.399 --> 00:11:41.600 of that pressure and even the interviews that he gave 215 00:11:41.600 --> 00:11:44.240 to the English broadcasters. After the interview, he generally is 216 00:11:44.320 --> 00:11:46.879 very relaxed and he looks at things very in a 217 00:11:46.960 --> 00:11:49.440 very different way. But that day he looked a little 218 00:11:49.440 --> 00:11:53.799 flustered as to admit that these were sub subcontinent pitches. 219 00:11:54.320 --> 00:11:56.759 It was was a thing, but the body language itself, 220 00:11:56.759 --> 00:12:00.600 because your opposition captain has scored four hundred thirty runs 221 00:12:00.639 --> 00:12:03.639 in a single Test match and here you are getting 222 00:12:03.679 --> 00:12:05.879 out to a you know, like he said, a spinner 223 00:12:05.879 --> 00:12:07.679 who was bowling for the first Yes, of course, that 224 00:12:07.759 --> 00:12:10.360 ball drifted in like anything. I think I read a 225 00:12:10.399 --> 00:12:13.519 stat saying no other ball from a spinner in England 226 00:12:13.519 --> 00:12:16.639 has drifted as much five point six degrees or something 227 00:12:16.799 --> 00:12:19.559 since they started recording these things in two and six. 228 00:12:20.159 --> 00:12:22.960 So that's that is one thing. But the first inning 229 00:12:23.000 --> 00:12:26.440 is undone by a terrific bouncer. Even in India when 230 00:12:26.440 --> 00:12:29.399 he came in twenty twenty four, at that time it 231 00:12:29.440 --> 00:12:31.639 was called the Pataudi Trophy, right, yeah, now it's called 232 00:12:31.639 --> 00:12:34.639 Anderson Tentle Trophy. He got out to Boomra on a 233 00:12:34.679 --> 00:12:36.679 couple of occasions and he made it look like he 234 00:12:36.720 --> 00:12:37.279 dropped the bat. 235 00:12:37.320 --> 00:12:39.360 He dropped the bat All that it was a normal 236 00:12:39.440 --> 00:12:40.440 slow see. 237 00:12:40.679 --> 00:12:43.120 I think what Michael Atherton was saying. I was also 238 00:12:43.320 --> 00:12:47.080 very surprised with the fact that Ben Stokes after the 239 00:12:47.120 --> 00:12:50.080 first Test win said he had gone on a complete break. 240 00:12:50.399 --> 00:12:53.159 He was a shadow of himself. He was not looking, 241 00:12:53.240 --> 00:12:56.159 he had completely shut down. And now Michael Atherton is saying, 242 00:12:56.320 --> 00:12:58.559 well he needs to do that in the next three days. 243 00:12:58.360 --> 00:12:59.480 To lift the stream up. 244 00:13:00.080 --> 00:13:03.720 Now, how will he do that? My question is when, 245 00:13:04.240 --> 00:13:08.679 like the pressure is there? You saw Schuperman Gil he was. 246 00:13:09.159 --> 00:13:12.240 He was probably not proactive in that first first Test. 247 00:13:12.480 --> 00:13:14.279 He was a little out of sorts when he got 248 00:13:14.399 --> 00:13:17.759 hit by Bassbot. But in the second Test he was proactive. 249 00:13:17.799 --> 00:13:19.840 He knew what he had to do. Yes, he bid 250 00:13:19.919 --> 00:13:22.320 his time. He knew that okay, England were going, but 251 00:13:22.360 --> 00:13:24.639 then this was a pitch, This was a track where 252 00:13:24.960 --> 00:13:27.879 nobody could do anything. He knew that his bowlers were 253 00:13:27.919 --> 00:13:30.600 getting hit, but he waited. He waited till that second 254 00:13:30.639 --> 00:13:32.600 ball came in and then he brought back. He had 255 00:13:32.639 --> 00:13:34.960 his fresh bowlers coming in and they finished them off. 256 00:13:34.960 --> 00:13:37.639 In World thirty four for five the last five weeks 257 00:13:37.679 --> 00:13:41.080 when we fell for thirty four runs. Why is Benstocks 258 00:13:41.159 --> 00:13:45.360 not getting that idea like Brendon mcculum comes out and 259 00:13:45.399 --> 00:13:49.960 says that, yeah, we made a mistake with the toss, 260 00:13:50.000 --> 00:13:51.960 Like how many more mistakes will you make? 261 00:13:52.679 --> 00:13:54.120 Like I wrote this piece. 262 00:13:54.279 --> 00:13:56.639 I wrote that piece where I was very highly critical 263 00:13:56.720 --> 00:13:59.519 of the Indian team when they lost the first Test, 264 00:13:59.559 --> 00:14:02.320 and I said that you can't be fooling around saying that, 265 00:14:02.559 --> 00:14:05.879 you know, transition can't be a reason for us to 266 00:14:06.039 --> 00:14:08.399 say that, oh we are missing out on a WDC final. 267 00:14:08.759 --> 00:14:10.919 This England team has not played at a w DC final. 268 00:14:11.159 --> 00:14:15.559 They've not been in contention. They've either been dogged slow overrates. 269 00:14:15.960 --> 00:14:19.600 That has been a recurring theme. You are constantly putting 270 00:14:19.639 --> 00:14:22.399 up this thing where oh, we play for the enjoyment 271 00:14:22.440 --> 00:14:23.000 of the sport. 272 00:14:23.240 --> 00:14:25.519 We are the saviors of Test cricket. What are you saving. 273 00:14:25.759 --> 00:14:28.279 You're not saving anything, You're not leaving a pitch that 274 00:14:28.360 --> 00:14:31.559 is good for Test cricket, You're not playing Test cricket properly. 275 00:14:31.840 --> 00:14:34.200 And then you're saying that you're trying to save Test cricket. 276 00:14:34.840 --> 00:14:37.720 Benstokes has to be questioned like how sare upset right now? 277 00:14:37.919 --> 00:14:38.080 Are you? 278 00:14:38.440 --> 00:14:41.360 Why are there no questions about Ben Stokes? The batter 279 00:14:41.879 --> 00:14:44.240 Benstokes the bowler got saved in the first Test second 280 00:14:44.320 --> 00:14:47.039 as he was ineffective? What is he doing as a 281 00:14:47.080 --> 00:14:47.799 captain as well? 282 00:14:47.840 --> 00:14:50.679 You know, I saw an argument I think it was 283 00:14:50.960 --> 00:14:54.559 Athaton and Hussein on Sky Sports or part of that 284 00:14:54.679 --> 00:14:57.840 wonderful episode of podcast that they released on six to seventh, 285 00:14:59.120 --> 00:15:01.679 in that they were asking about Benstok. The same question 286 00:15:01.759 --> 00:15:04.519 was being discussed, but then they said, you know, one 287 00:15:04.519 --> 00:15:06.879 of the best win records in the modern era by 288 00:15:06.919 --> 00:15:10.080 an England captain. But is that the art stick? Is 289 00:15:10.120 --> 00:15:12.159 that the art stick you want to have? Joe Root, 290 00:15:12.240 --> 00:15:14.759 by all means, was horrible in the later half of 291 00:15:14.759 --> 00:15:16.200 his captains like. 292 00:15:16.200 --> 00:15:17.200 When he came to India. 293 00:15:17.320 --> 00:15:20.519 When India went there, I agree with that, even invest 294 00:15:20.559 --> 00:15:24.039 in England couldn't do anything. So is if that is 295 00:15:24.080 --> 00:15:27.080 the art stick that Stokes is being measured on, then 296 00:15:27.120 --> 00:15:27.639 it's fine. 297 00:15:27.919 --> 00:15:30.639 Then he's okay. But like you both pointed out. 298 00:15:31.200 --> 00:15:32.639 If the goal is to make it to the World 299 00:15:32.639 --> 00:15:35.600 Test Championship, he even spoke about it like it's we 300 00:15:35.679 --> 00:15:37.919 have to win to make it to the World Test. 301 00:15:38.120 --> 00:15:39.399 But I had a simple question. 302 00:15:39.840 --> 00:15:42.519 Six hundred and eight was a target and you had 303 00:15:42.639 --> 00:15:44.360 a little over than three sessions too. 304 00:15:44.679 --> 00:15:47.200 But the thing is why didn't they go for a draw? 305 00:15:47.759 --> 00:15:48.519 Are they not built? 306 00:15:48.840 --> 00:15:51.919 You say that, Okay, we don't do draws. That's the thing. 307 00:15:52.039 --> 00:15:52.960 We don't do draws. 308 00:15:53.519 --> 00:15:55.919 Is it? You don't do draws. You're not capable of 309 00:15:56.000 --> 00:15:57.120 doing draws, you. 310 00:15:57.080 --> 00:15:59.679 Know, if you ask me, the Singland team is not 311 00:16:00.039 --> 00:16:03.600 without doing anything apart from winning Test matches on flat 312 00:16:03.639 --> 00:16:08.960 tracks where the other teams fail the moment you see 313 00:16:09.559 --> 00:16:12.120 that the other team has a bowler who can actually 314 00:16:12.159 --> 00:16:15.480 get some spurches of the pitch, who is getting the 315 00:16:15.480 --> 00:16:19.279 ball to nip in. This Indian team falls flat, especially 316 00:16:19.360 --> 00:16:21.240 if you look at his engliand team, like Alan pointed out, 317 00:16:21.639 --> 00:16:24.639 you know, was sacked after two bad series as a 318 00:16:24.679 --> 00:16:27.519 captain and as a batter he played. He won the 319 00:16:27.519 --> 00:16:30.159 series against Bangladesh, he lost three nil to Newsland at 320 00:16:30.159 --> 00:16:34.240 home and then he lost to Australia. Australia where he 321 00:16:34.320 --> 00:16:37.320 was captaining just two two or three Test matches. Fine, 322 00:16:37.960 --> 00:16:40.600 but in England you see Ben Stokes, he's losing everywhere. 323 00:16:41.360 --> 00:16:42.399 Where did he win a Test series? 324 00:16:42.440 --> 00:16:43.120 Still in Pakistan? 325 00:16:43.639 --> 00:16:48.600 Pakistani want so great in Pakistan flat tracks they do 326 00:16:48.720 --> 00:16:51.399 that at home. Oh that's the game. Back from that 327 00:16:51.480 --> 00:16:52.639 is a great achievement. 328 00:16:53.440 --> 00:16:53.799 Yeah. 329 00:16:53.840 --> 00:16:55.960 And you know with this England team, I think they 330 00:16:56.360 --> 00:16:58.960 morally won matches in India also, right, like. 331 00:16:59.120 --> 00:17:01.679 The moral wins are always there for England, Ben Stokes, 332 00:17:01.759 --> 00:17:06.240 Mcallum especially. I remember on day five when Schub hit 333 00:17:06.279 --> 00:17:11.480 a six of Souner or Dja, the English station was in. 334 00:17:11.759 --> 00:17:13.519 They were celebrating it like they have won the Test 335 00:17:13.599 --> 00:17:18.079 Championship and it was very absurd for me to see that. Yes, 336 00:17:18.519 --> 00:17:21.160 your taender is hitting those sixes, but you should be 337 00:17:21.200 --> 00:17:22.920 ashamed of yourself like. 338 00:17:23.240 --> 00:17:26.000 Three months ago, like how you celebrated one follow on 339 00:17:26.799 --> 00:17:30.279 follow on, We avoided the further avoided the match. We 340 00:17:30.359 --> 00:17:30.960 saved the match. 341 00:17:31.000 --> 00:17:34.400 Yeah, time match you are completely outplayed it as a 342 00:17:34.640 --> 00:17:37.039 as a bowling unit, as a batting unit, as a feeling. 343 00:17:36.960 --> 00:17:38.319 They do things differently. 344 00:17:38.359 --> 00:17:42.680 So Jack, like, let me tell you said that England 345 00:17:42.680 --> 00:17:46.960 cricket Ben Stokes is one of the greatest England captains 346 00:17:46.960 --> 00:17:49.920 of the modern and you asked the question, can England 347 00:17:50.000 --> 00:17:53.319 cricket be a yard stick? Let me tell you has more. 348 00:17:53.839 --> 00:17:57.519 If you have count Wil's singles in O cricket, he'll 349 00:17:57.519 --> 00:18:00.839 still be the fifth highest run getter for England. In 350 00:18:00.839 --> 00:18:04.640 that format. So England cricket is not a yardstick for anything. 351 00:18:04.960 --> 00:18:06.240 Let's let's start with that. 352 00:18:06.599 --> 00:18:08.279 But now you have the home of cricket, they have 353 00:18:08.359 --> 00:18:09.279 the crowds coming in. 354 00:18:10.039 --> 00:18:12.720 The Home of cricket. Everything you can, you can say 355 00:18:12.759 --> 00:18:16.279 all these things, but you need to show the cricket 356 00:18:16.400 --> 00:18:19.920 to be good good for that right, You need to 357 00:18:19.960 --> 00:18:23.119 show the cricket that, okay, we are You have the 358 00:18:23.200 --> 00:18:27.839 name Lords. That means you are the owners of the thing. 359 00:18:28.400 --> 00:18:31.400 You have, not you you've invented cricket, you have your 360 00:18:31.599 --> 00:18:34.559 Your team is not good enough. You've invented many sports. 361 00:18:34.640 --> 00:18:37.160 Your teams are not good enough. It's just simple fact 362 00:18:37.240 --> 00:18:38.200 that it's. 363 00:18:38.079 --> 00:18:38.880 Just the arrogance. 364 00:18:38.920 --> 00:18:43.559 Okay, you saw England and basketball doing some magic in Pakistan, 365 00:18:44.200 --> 00:18:47.400 which I think even Bangladesh did. Like you said, no, 366 00:18:47.400 --> 00:18:51.480 no disrespect to Bangladesh. They outplayed Pakistan. Pakistan were being 367 00:18:51.599 --> 00:18:55.480 outplayed till they started using pitches that were turning. Before 368 00:18:55.519 --> 00:18:58.200 that they were being outplayed. Then coming to your question, 369 00:18:58.680 --> 00:19:01.119 can they get a draw? They don't have people to 370 00:19:01.119 --> 00:19:05.319 get a draw. Can can a bend a kid play 371 00:19:05.359 --> 00:19:08.400 that Hashi Mamala role where he was I think Hashi 372 00:19:08.440 --> 00:19:12.440 Mamala and a work three for I don't know how 373 00:19:12.480 --> 00:19:14.759 many hundred and two hundred balls can they do that? 374 00:19:14.920 --> 00:19:18.160 Nobody is there. Maybe a Joe Route can do it. 375 00:19:18.680 --> 00:19:20.680 Apart from the Harry Brook cannot do it, that is 376 00:19:20.720 --> 00:19:21.640 not his natural. 377 00:19:21.480 --> 00:19:24.200 But Harry Brook is the is better than We're Coolie 378 00:19:24.240 --> 00:19:30.799 is what they c talent genera or such talent and 379 00:19:30.880 --> 00:19:32.519 the temperament of someone like we're at. 380 00:19:33.759 --> 00:19:35.400 That's that's how they make it look like. 381 00:19:35.480 --> 00:19:39.319 Right, yeah, that is on flat tracks in pakistanis And 382 00:19:39.359 --> 00:19:42.559 that is the biggest joke I've ever heard, because this 383 00:19:42.640 --> 00:19:45.880 English team if you look see if you really want to, 384 00:19:46.000 --> 00:19:49.960 you know, see, basketball can be anything you don't They 385 00:19:49.960 --> 00:19:50.839 don't want to define it. 386 00:19:50.920 --> 00:19:53.759 They will kind of define it whichever way they want to. 387 00:19:54.119 --> 00:19:56.440 But if you can't play for draws, if you think 388 00:19:56.519 --> 00:19:59.000 draws are bad, then go back to that Sydney test, 389 00:19:59.079 --> 00:20:02.519 go back to that test and please gave their heart out. 390 00:20:03.000 --> 00:20:04.640 What is this we don't do draw siek. They could 391 00:20:04.640 --> 00:20:07.759 have easily been one niller for a lot on that pitch. 392 00:20:08.160 --> 00:20:11.359 Had they applied themselves, had one batter, you know, stay 393 00:20:11.559 --> 00:20:13.880 stuck along with someone like Joe Root, they could have 394 00:20:13.920 --> 00:20:16.559 easily played for a draw there. If you can draw 395 00:20:16.599 --> 00:20:19.759 that match in Sydney against that bowling attack, Hazel would 396 00:20:19.839 --> 00:20:22.480 come in and all of them. Drawing here could have 397 00:20:22.480 --> 00:20:24.240 been easier, is what I thought. You could have been 398 00:20:24.240 --> 00:20:26.680 one nil if you're played with that attitude. 399 00:20:27.000 --> 00:20:29.119 And let me be also be very fair on this. 400 00:20:29.839 --> 00:20:34.960 The England cricket team, the English media, they all took 401 00:20:35.000 --> 00:20:39.400