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Speaker 4: Kenny Delaney joined us again from the kitchen table.
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Speaker 5: I appreciate it. Thank you guys for having me. Thank
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Speaker 3: Actual, Welcome to the show, brother, Thank you.
Speaker 4: Why don't you tell us start off by telling us
Speaker 4: a little about yourself.
Speaker 3: What happened?
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Speaker 3: Yes, So we found out a Brooklyn fellow. Yeah, a
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Speaker 10: Brooklyn born and Brad three eighteen men of hand between
Speaker 10: wike Off and her and my mother was born and
Speaker 10: raised in three twenty men ahand when she got married,
Speaker 10: she literally moved next door. I went to Saint Bridgett's Church,
Speaker 10: their Prinjede Grammar School, Grove Cleveland High School. My grandmother
Speaker 10: passed away and she left my parents the money to
Speaker 10: buy a house, but it wasn't enough to buy a
Speaker 10: house and uh, good part of New York. So they
Speaker 10: were visiting a friend of my grandmother's in Fredericksburg, Virginia,
Speaker 10: and they came home and said, guess what we're moving.
Speaker 10: I said, you movement. I'm doing my last year in
Speaker 10: Grove Cleveland. It didn't work out that way, but I
Speaker 10: went down here kicking and screaming, but it was the
Speaker 10: best thing they could have done for him.
Speaker 4: You got to see how much those property goes for
Speaker 4: now in Bushwick Man That yeah.
Speaker 10: So, Uh, my father worked for paying AM for twenty
Speaker 10: years and I pad developed had an interest in aviation
Speaker 10: my part. He was career on me until he got
Speaker 10: shot up in Korea. So I thought I was going
Speaker 10: to be going to military and do stuffing in aviation
Speaker 10: and military. And then Saturday evening nineteen seventy two TV
Speaker 10: show came on called Emergency, and I watched that two
Speaker 10: hour pilot and at the end of that show, I
Speaker 10: was gonna be a five paramedic.
Speaker 4: And time somebody's ever told that show got them to
Speaker 4: sign up.
Speaker 6: I got to join the part part rampart.
Speaker 3: Yep, somebody else.
Speaker 7: You interviewed Keith Nicoliello and he said, that's all you
Speaker 7: ever talked about. And then when I told to me
Speaker 7: the other day, he was like, he was, Now that
Speaker 7: I look back at the show, the show is that
Speaker 7: it's a stupid shop.
Speaker 10: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, there's no question about it. Yeah it was.
Speaker 10: It was inspiring back then. And I was a young
Speaker 10: volunteer back then too, so it was I ate it
Speaker 10: all up.
Speaker 3: I just so you volunteered where first with the boss.
Speaker 10: A fredickspurg for six eight years. I guess it was
Speaker 10: in my novel. I started my career off with the
Speaker 10: county in seventy six. Actually, I was a federal firefighter
Speaker 10: at Marico Basedquontica from seventy six to seventy nine. I
Speaker 10: played on staying there and the fire chief, Walter Stone
Speaker 10: at the time, kept tell me that the fire department
Speaker 10: was going to take over the base EMS and we
Speaker 10: were going to get the medic units, and which was
Speaker 10: run by the Navy at that point, and since I
Speaker 10: was an EMT, he wanted me to head up the
Speaker 10: program and they were quote some captain's bugles in my future. Well,
Speaker 10: three years went by and we never got the EMS.
Speaker 10: So I went ahead and took the entrance exam for
Speaker 10: Prince William because their paramount program, which is starting. Another
Speaker 10: guy that went with me, Roger Roach, who I worked at.
Speaker 10: Unfortunate Roger passed away he lost July. We both got
Speaker 10: hired within the year of each other. I hope Roger's wife,
Speaker 10: Sarah was watching. So I went to Prince William and
Speaker 10: as they say, the rest is history. When EMS became
Speaker 10: a cardiact heck, which now that I think they call
Speaker 10: them intermediate paramedics or Advanced teams or something, was on
Speaker 10: one of the was in the second class basically that
Speaker 10: graduated with the paramedic program on the Virginia Community College.
Speaker 10: It was one of our first one hundred and fifty
Speaker 10: paramedics emtps in Virginia. I think my number was one
Speaker 10: sixteen A paramedic unit for a couple of years, had
Speaker 10: a great time, got promoted the lieutenant. I was a
Speaker 10: I was a medic on a Monday on a Friday,
Speaker 10: and I was truck lieutenant on a Monday, so there
Speaker 10: was no transition. Uh, the department was young, and at
Speaker 10: the time we were a career volunteer department. We had
Speaker 10: I think there were fifteen volunteer companies within Prince Wayne
Speaker 10: County and the company one was actually City of A
Speaker 10: Nassas and they were independent.
Speaker 6: They had their paid for every time we passed that.
Speaker 5: But you know answers stem.
Speaker 10: NASA's Park eng Company nine ever the same way they
Speaker 10: were an independent. Then we had the Marine Corps Base
Speaker 10: Chronicle right at four stations. We ran mutual aid with them,
Speaker 10: and we had Vin Hill Station, which was an omni
Speaker 10: post that had a fire station. We ran mutual aid
Speaker 10: with them. The career guys worked seven to five Monday
Speaker 10: through Friday, weekends and holidays off. And when I look
Speaker 10: back at it, that was a sweet gig. I mean, yeah, right, Well,
Speaker 10: when you're twenty three years old, you want to be
Speaker 10: out there at two o'clock in the morning, you know,
Speaker 10: fight fire, saving lives, you know. But when I look back,
Speaker 10: it was a sweet gig to be able to do
Speaker 10: the job and work straight days and have all the
Speaker 10: holidays and weekends off couldn't.
Speaker 4: Answer, so the paid guys were only seven to five
Speaker 4: Monday to Friday and they took everything else.
Speaker 10: Some of the volunteers stations had living programs or they
Speaker 10: actually had volunteers living there.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 10: Yeah, Joel was one of the livings. Some of them
Speaker 10: had duty assigned duty nights, so you had to be
Speaker 10: at the station or a particular night to serve your duty,
Speaker 10: and others you just responded to the station when the
Speaker 10: tonys went off.
Speaker 3: So how many total were paid? How many guys?
Speaker 10: Back then I was My employee number was one seventy four,
Speaker 10: so I was in the first group of two hundred
Speaker 10: to be hired. Now I think there's like fifteen hundred
Speaker 10: career staff. That's pretty big, and there's still volunteer. A
Speaker 10: lot of stations have folded and turned the keys over
Speaker 10: the county, but there's still half a dozen volunteer departments.
Speaker 10: They are still functioning, but it's predominantly twenty four to
Speaker 10: seven in the county now in the first units, I think,
Speaker 10: I get I can't remember. Sometime in the nineties we
Speaker 10: started transitioning to the stations that we're having trouble getting
Speaker 10: units out to twenty four hour career service still supplemented
Speaker 10: by volunteers engine and medical career. And then the volunteers
Speaker 10: were staffed a lot of truck squads or you know,
Speaker 10: other supplemented.
Speaker 3: How many guys were riding on the rate.
Speaker 10: Staff minute of staffing for us on an edge company,
Speaker 10: the truck was three and then two ornamentics.
Speaker 3: An officer officer driver and one guy.
Speaker 10: Usually yeah what station you were at, you know, but
Speaker 10: some of the volunteer stations you had volunteers wing out
Speaker 10: the door come ride with you. So sometimes I pulled
Speaker 10: out there with six people because I had three Craig.
Speaker 4: Career they can go out on the same rig as
Speaker 4: the paid guys.
Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, yeah. We worked great together and a lot
Speaker 10: of our volunteers were career guys and other departments too.
Speaker 10: So you know, one particular shift, it was me, I
Speaker 10: had a volunteer driver who was a career firefighter and
Speaker 10: other department and two volunteers ride in the bucket. I
Speaker 10: was the only career guy, uh that that particular day.
Speaker 10: So uh, and we had my two medics, Steve Starlin
Speaker 10: and Billy Bill Monument. Uh. So when it worked with
Speaker 10: the volunteer system. When it worked, it worked really good.
Speaker 10: And when it didn't work, it didn't work very good.
Speaker 10: So but it, you know, eventually transitioned all pretty much
Speaker 10: career service.
Speaker 7: Were there ever any I asked the guy this who
Speaker 7: kind of did the same thing. Were ever there any
Speaker 7: animosity between the paid guys on the volunteer guys.
Speaker 10: Yeah, and some of them it was self inflicted. I mean,
Speaker 10: when you're twenty three years old, you have a whole
Speaker 10: different perspective. I mean, our volunteers didn't have to worry
Speaker 10: about a three big process. They always most of the
Speaker 10: departments had the best equipment, the finest equipment. Their service
Speaker 10: time on our first line rig was about seven years.
Speaker 10: They replaced their front line rugs every seven years. Wow.
Speaker 10: There's not too many paid departments that do that. Yeah,
Speaker 10: for the most part, we always had the best equipment
Speaker 10: to ride on. Belonged to the volunteers, but we got
Speaker 10: the ride on it. They had the best really for
Speaker 10: the most part, really nice stations, great working environments, and
Speaker 10: it's just like any other work environment. You had volunteer
Speaker 10: fire chiefs and officers and guys. I was in station
Speaker 10: three years, prime example. You couldn't ask for a better
Speaker 10: working relationship with the volunteers. The fire chief, Miles Young
Speaker 10: at the time, was actually the fire chief for Andrews
Speaker 10: Air Force Space. And you know, Miles, when I first
Speaker 10: I showed up, Miles said, you're my assistant chief. I'm
Speaker 10: a lieutenant and he said you're my assistant chief. Okay,
Speaker 10: that's how he That's what I was Tom. You know,
Speaker 10: I handled the daytime operations and his guys and girls.
Speaker 10: You know, if they wanted to do something around the station,
Speaker 10: pull the car in the wash it or something, you know,
Speaker 10: they had to come and check with me first. So
Speaker 10: when it worked, it worked really really good. And when
Speaker 10: it didn't work, it didn't work. And I kind of
Speaker 10: just talk about that a little bit in my novel.
Speaker 4: Kenny asked the question they asked in the pre show
Speaker 4: that we had to we never heard of it yet.
Speaker 7: So in the comments, somebody was talking about Pierce Riggs.
Speaker 7: I can't see who it was right now, Mike, Mike, Mike,
Speaker 7: Mike brought up the Pierce Riggs. What kind of rigs
Speaker 7: did you guys have down in uh So?
Speaker 10: There was a Han dealership and there's it's spelled h
Speaker 10: A h N in Prince William County and uh so,
Speaker 10: a lot of our rigs, a lot of reasons were.
Speaker 5: Hans and the other the other counties had franz Ris.
Speaker 10: Predominantly, i CEA grades. But yeah, we had Hans and
Speaker 10: a lot of the volunteers.
Speaker 3: We're not going to talk about why we had Hans.
Speaker 4: We're not gonna I'm not gonna go into that.
Speaker 10: What year was The Hans were h relatively new. Like
Speaker 10: I said, they they pretty much rolled their first line
Speaker 10: apparatus over every five years. I think Hans going out
Speaker 10: of business. They may have been bought out by one.
Speaker 10: I'm not sure, uh but they have, but they didn't
Speaker 10: have a lot of ones there for a while. There's
Speaker 10: a lot of trucks that I read on.
Speaker 6: We're both like, that's what I pulled up. Just you
Speaker 6: guys have a little.
Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, it looks like a Hans. Ours were baby
Speaker 10: ship yellow.
Speaker 6: Though, baby ship yellow.
Speaker 10: That's that's how we described it, baby yellow riggs.
Speaker 6: I'll try to find yellow.
Speaker 5: Yeah, look at that.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's a Hans rig on Hans.
Speaker 3: You want to say, hands in front? Yeah, wants up?
Speaker 10: Yeah. The two ladder trucks in the county were actually
Speaker 10: owned by Prince William. They weren't owned by the volunteers
Speaker 10: at the time. At that time, uh they were sixty
Speaker 10: eighth Sea Grays when was a uh straight steak and
Speaker 10: it was a hundred for tiller. I was served on
Speaker 10: the eighty five. That was an open cab and only
Speaker 10: two open cabs in the county. Everything else was closed camps.
Speaker 10: That There was a joy, absolutely joy riding on that rig.
Speaker 10: It was great.
Speaker 3: You could put that in my town.
Speaker 4: We have one paid engine and the rest are all volleys,
Speaker 4: and I don't they don't really have a great working
Speaker 4: relationship if you wear the last paid in Long Island.
Speaker 4: Actually the Long Beach used to be a Garden City
Speaker 4: and Long Beach and now Garden City's all volley.
Speaker 3: But I know there's a lot of mosity in there.
Speaker 6: You'd see it well enough to touch on a little bit.
Speaker 6: My department, when I first joined in ninety five, we
Speaker 6: went paid and we would do very similar to how
Speaker 6: you guys were doing. It was paid guys during the
Speaker 6: week or during the main hours, and the volunteers were
Speaker 6: coming at night. And you know, some guys that didn't
Speaker 6: like us, and then some of us, well most of us,
Speaker 6: myself that we all got along and it was a
Speaker 6: great thing. You could have six seven guys on a
Speaker 6: truck and you know, we had big ten men cabs
Speaker 6: back then, so we rolling heavy. That's what we were
Speaker 6: rolling heavier.
Speaker 10: A lot of the volunteers that I worked with had
Speaker 10: aspirations of becoming career firefighters, and that's why they were volunteers.
Speaker 10: And when you work with those guys, they were willing
Speaker 10: to learn, they wanted to ride with you. They just
Speaker 10: sucked it all in. And then you had people who
Speaker 10: were volunteers for the reasons. So yeah, like I said,
Speaker 10: when it worked, it worked really well. Never had any
Speaker 10: problems on the fire ground and all the fires that
Speaker 10: I was there involving volunteers, never had an issue on
Speaker 10: the fire grounds, and issues in the firehouspital. Never on
Speaker 10: the fire ground.
Speaker 4: Everybody worked these issues in the flyreouse issues short.
Speaker 7: But when it came to work, we all did what
Speaker 7: we had to do and looked out for each other.
Speaker 5: Sure.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I tell us the story about when you made
Speaker 4: a grit with Kniski and you had to pull him
Speaker 4: out because he was he went down.
Speaker 3: We went.
Speaker 10: Yeah. Joe, as you know, was in the marine Corps.
Speaker 10: Has worked at the Aircraft Crash Rescues UH station at
Speaker 10: Chronicle and I was a lieutenant Station three, and I
Speaker 10: mean fire Station three. Fire Station three was actually a
Speaker 10: captain's billet, but the captain I was off for a
Speaker 10: couple of years with serious back injuries. So I got
Speaker 10: put in there. And I'm sure you've met people in
Speaker 10: your life that minute they came out of whom they
Speaker 10: were going to be firefighters. You've met people like that. Well,
Speaker 10: the first time I met Joel, I knew Joel was
Speaker 10: going to be a career fier, There's no question. And
Speaker 10: uh so he lived at the station. They had a
Speaker 10: living thing and uh by medic that morning Steve Strodaman
Speaker 10: the Sunday night he called me and said, cracked the toooth.
Speaker 10: I got dentist appointment to take off. I'll put Mike,
Speaker 10: who's my tech one and going through a paramitt program medic.
Speaker 10: So it was just me, Al my driver operator Al
Speaker 10: Al Stevens, another incredible guy Vietnam vat Combat Manic served
Speaker 10: in the Vietnam incredible, incredible guy, had a reputation to
Speaker 10: eat new lieutenants for breakfast, but for some reason he
Speaker 10: liked me I don't know why. We always had that
Speaker 10: always made me look a lot better than I really was.
Speaker 10: But uh. So I was riding with Al and Joe,
Speaker 10: who hauls another great guy who was my tech bar
Speaker 10: and Joe came from the bunk we had duty to
Speaker 10: the before and he said, hey, I see you shorthanded.
Speaker 10: Can all right right you? And I said hell yeah,
Speaker 10: So we jumped on. We were in the middle of
Speaker 10: having a morning drill, drinking coffee and having more and drill.
Speaker 10: We just got the task Force tip the first ones
Speaker 10: in the department I have testie. So Al was given
Speaker 10: a drill on those nozzles and the tones went off
Speaker 10: structure fire, ah, person's trap. So jumped on, took off, Uh,
Speaker 10: pulled out ill. Never forget this. I was pulling out
Speaker 10: a ramp on my foot on the federal que just
Speaker 10: winding it up, and I looked over Al, and I
Speaker 10: looked out with Joe and Joel, and I thought, Damn,
Speaker 10: that must be the luckiest guy in the world to
Speaker 10: get this job. I work with these natural urices. I
Speaker 10: mean it was then I said a little prayer, Dear God,
Speaker 10: please don't let me screw this up, which I always
Speaker 10: did for every call. So we get there. We were
Speaker 10: going to take the hydrant, but the medic was right
Speaker 10: on our ass, so those guys took up. Nobody had
Speaker 10: to get off the rig. Uh good. Bob and Mike
Speaker 10: grabbed the hydrant. We laid in. We pulled the getting
Speaker 10: ready to my sides up. Told Joe to pull the
Speaker 10: two hundred foot Maddidale, which is the line that we
Speaker 10: had above the pump paddle. We called that Maddidale, brand
Speaker 10: new nasle that didn't used before. Joe looks at me
Speaker 10: and Joe easy with her. It's her first time, and
Speaker 10: he said, loom gonna threw like a two llow whore.
Speaker 6: We'll hold back.
Speaker 10: When I did my size up, they stretched the line
Speaker 10: the front door. Billy, Bob and Mike had set up
Speaker 10: to eight station, but they had all their gear on
Speaker 10: and bringing that breast case and needed the inside. Joe
Speaker 10: went in by himself on the line by himself. About
Speaker 10: half the house was It was about two thousand bungalow,
Speaker 10: I mean, uh branch, about half of them was off.
Speaker 10: So we went. Joe went in, took the tacked the
Speaker 10: fire and Joel and I went in to do the
Speaker 10: rescue and uh. I went through the living room area,
Speaker 10: and when Joe opened the nousel up, it was like
Speaker 10: being in a freaking sna I mean, it could just
Speaker 10: it was. It was unbearable, but we searched. I ended
Speaker 10: up phoning down to fire the stairs into the basement.
Speaker 10: I thought it was a room, and I reached him
Speaker 10: and so anyone come up, we do search and rescue.
Speaker 10: H going to his bedroom and Joel's taking out windows
Speaker 10: the Halligan bar and I'm just searching around. There was
Speaker 10: a bookcase later before, I talk about that in the book,
Speaker 10: in the novel, and I looked down and I saw
Speaker 10: what I thought was a costume mask. It looked like
Speaker 10: to me like the mask phamptom of the opera. That's
Speaker 10: exactly what I looked at. I wasn't sure what I
Speaker 10: was saying. I picked up the bookcase and the little
Speaker 10: boy was on the bookcase. So I yelled to Joel
Speaker 10: and tell me to get us the blank blank out
Speaker 10: of there. So I followed him out and I turned
Speaker 10: him over to my that it's actually the chapter in
Speaker 10: the book that I'm talking about, this instance called taking
Speaker 10: the Buick to Europe, the bure It means, you know
Speaker 10: what that means vomiting. They get to Europe. Uh, that's
Speaker 10: the name of the chapter. And I'll tell you why.
Speaker 10: So I get the medics, get the kid over. The medics. Uh, Billy,
Speaker 10: Bob and Mike are sitting up the gear and I'm
Speaker 10: starting cepr on. I'm going to go to get him
Speaker 10: a mouth the mouth resuscitation and vombits in my mouth. Well,
Speaker 10: his fruity pebbles and vanilla and his mini waffles ended
Speaker 10: up in my mouth, so, uh, yeah.
Speaker 5: Right now they can't have bi valve miss.
Speaker 10: But yeah, well, like I said, they were just setting
Speaker 10: up their stuff, so they didn't have that all yet.
Speaker 10: So I crawled off puking, and uh, Joe and the
Speaker 10: medics worked on the kid. And Joe comes up and
Speaker 10: he said, you know, okay, Bill, And I said, yeah,
Speaker 10: I just wasn't expecting brunch and fell from here down
Speaker 10: on his turn coat was just soaked in blood, and Joe,
Speaker 10: what the hell did you do? And you look at
Speaker 10: I don't know. So we ended up treating I ended
Speaker 10: up taking care of Joel. All the other guys took
Speaker 10: care of the medic and uh, Joel sliced up his
Speaker 10: wrists pretty we Initially we thought it was gonna be
Speaker 10: a lot worse than it was. It turned out to
Speaker 10: the kid make it, huh. Now they re bought. Our
Speaker 10: guys would ride them on the scene. That's that's the
Speaker 10: rest of the story. Our guys running back on the scene,
Speaker 10: gotim the hospital. He was had a heartbeat, the pulse,
Speaker 10: but he codd. They were getting ready to transport him
Speaker 10: to the piatric burn center. You say he coded again.
Speaker 10: He wasn't revived, but his parents were at least with
Speaker 10: him when he passed, so at least he didn't dialone.
Speaker 10: So it's one little footing of that. No, he didn't.
Speaker 10: He didn't make it. So so that's the rescue Joel
Speaker 10: and I made. It's we'll forbet or be connected in that.
Speaker 10: In the morning of nine to eleven, I was sitting
Speaker 10: I was on duty that morning. I was just sat down.
Speaker 10: I came on at six in the morning in the
Speaker 10: fire marshals office, so I was in my morning break
Speaker 10: and I saw that turned on the TV. I saw
Speaker 10: them was watching it and saw the second plane hit,
Speaker 10: because that's also in the book too, And you know,
Speaker 10: the first person I thought about was Joel, and I
Speaker 10: got physically ill. When I saw that, because I knew
Speaker 10: he was on a rescue squad one at that time.
Speaker 10: So it turned out things worked out, but I physically
Speaker 10: physically got ill watch. I remember that he was on
Speaker 10: rescue squad on, so I guess we'll always be connected
Speaker 10: by that rescue.
Speaker 3: I heard it different. I heard you had to drag
Speaker 3: Joel and the kid out.
Speaker 10: I couldn't drag Joel out of it, not at that time.
Speaker 10: I wasn't always that has been a big kid. Yeah,
Speaker 10: and uh, that was another thing about my department. I mean,
Speaker 10: most guys, especially as firefighters, to see around now, I
Speaker 10: don't know what they're feeding these kids, but they're all,
Speaker 10: you know, big bruises. When I was coming on, you know,
Speaker 10: if the guy was over six foot, they were tall
Speaker 10: in my department. Uh. And so when somebody showed up
Speaker 10: at six two sixty three, you know, they were a
Speaker 10: little taller than everybody else. But I don't know why
Speaker 10: it was. I mean they called my truck companies the
Speaker 10: Smurfs because I was the tallest one on the truck company.
Speaker 10: I was five nine, So we have the Smurfs struck up.
Speaker 5: You know, man, you're you're a giant everywhere everywhere I went.
Speaker 3: Yeah, midget dwarf, I was heard at work today.
Speaker 5: Bad awful vicious things about me.
Speaker 4: So then you go and you u, you go to
Speaker 4: the fire marshals. What made you want to switch?
Speaker 6: Uh?
Speaker 10: I really didn't have a choice of the matter. When
Speaker 10: you were a lieutenant, you during your as part of
Speaker 10: your court career development usually ended up in communications as
Speaker 10: a shift supervisor for a couple of years, or you
Speaker 10: went into the fire Marshal's office for a couple of
Speaker 10: years as part of your court career development. Uh So,
Speaker 10: but I was at Station fourteen. I wasn't getting along
Speaker 10: with the captain or the tang captain at the time
Speaker 10: or nameless fourteen was a great station, had great crew.
Speaker 10: Want No, that's.
Speaker 6: Damn it.
Speaker 10: Yeah, a great, great set of volunteers there. Bobby Sharp
Speaker 10: was the assistant chief of fourteen County County Cop full
Speaker 10: time volunteer firefighter. Great break. But I was looking for something.
Speaker 10: I was thinking about transferring, but I didn't put in
Speaker 10: for a transfer. We were coming back from a call
Speaker 10: one day and Chief put me back in a ramp
Speaker 10: and Chief Fire Marshal John O'Neal has parked out in
Speaker 10: the parking lot standing in chief O'Neil. Later, I mean
Speaker 10: it turned out to be more of a father figure
Speaker 10: a boss. I ended up working for him for eighteen years.
Speaker 10: But he was one of these guys as long distance
Speaker 10: runners served in Vietnam, highly decorated, always in the clean uniform,
Speaker 10: always had what I call a command image. Respected the
Speaker 10: hell out of guy. So but anyway, back to Regainny.
Speaker 10: He asked if I chat for a few minutes, which
Speaker 10: I really didn't have a choice in the batter, but
Speaker 10: went in my office in Chatty and he said that
Speaker 10: the fire chief, Chief Jakins, says, I've give him the
Speaker 10: green light to revamp the fire's office turning into a
Speaker 10: little more aggressive organization, and they wanted to have a
Speaker 10: designated Barston crimes unit in the fire Marsh's office. And
Speaker 10: Jacobson mentioned, my name is some of that new blood.
Speaker 3: So he how many years you have on the job
Speaker 3: at this time? Bill?
Speaker 10: About eight nine? So, and because I was looking for
Speaker 10: something new, I just didn't know what I did bored quickly,
Speaker 10: so he said, you know, you asked me what I thought.
Speaker 10: Before I could answer, he said, Bill, give me two
Speaker 10: good years. And if you weren't out of two years.
Speaker 10: I'll give you a choice of assignments. So I said
Speaker 10: truck twelve. He said, okay, we shook hands. Seventeen years
Speaker 10: later I retired.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, we uh yeah, we're going to get to
Speaker 6: that book.
Speaker 10: Yeah, yes, we did, we were we. I had to
Speaker 10: go through a full police accounty sixteen. Uh. I went
Speaker 10: up there. I did the co enforcement thing for a
Speaker 10: couple of years, and then I went to the police academy,
Speaker 10: Police Academy, you know, crime scene technician school, FIREARMSTRM and
Speaker 10: all that stuff. And on opening occurred for a fire
Speaker 10: investigator in the fire martion's office, my good friend John Bethel,
Speaker 10: I hope John's watching had already been appointed and he
Speaker 10: was one of the two fire investigators in the arson unit,
Speaker 10: and the other fire investigator wanted out, so he went
Speaker 10: to communications and so they had an opening, and I
Speaker 10: just didn't know they had already decided I was going
Speaker 10: to be the opening fill that opening. So yeah, the
Speaker 10: opening was out about I guess it was about thirty days.
Speaker 10: And I had not put in because there was a
Speaker 10: bunch of senior guys who were senior to me wanted it,
Speaker 10: and I just didn't want to put in for it.
Speaker 10: So because of the senior guys, so it closed. I
Speaker 10: was working Thursday for Friday day, Saturday, Sunday night. So
Speaker 10: Friday afternoon I got off at five. About four o'clock,
Speaker 10: Chief on Neil came by and he said, I came
Speaker 10: in and submitted you pack it, and he said, Chief
Speaker 10: there was several senior guys and I'm not don't feel
Speaker 10: comfortable putting here for it this time. He walked away.
Speaker 10: Twenty minutes a later, we came back with a letter
Speaker 10: and he said sign it. So I was reading it
Speaker 10: and I looked at him and he said, I prefer
Speaker 10: not to have to order you to sign it. So
Speaker 10: it was my request to become a fire investigator. So
Speaker 10: I signed and handed it to him. He said, I'm
Speaker 10: being your weekend off. Come Monday morning, you're a new
Speaker 10: fire investigator. So and then Monday I was in the
Speaker 10: Arson crimes with John and I had a blast. It
Speaker 10: was the wild wild West. It was a brand new
Speaker 10: We made it up as we went along. I mean,
Speaker 10: the only person were reported to was Chief Fire Marshall,
Speaker 10: great guy to work with. Gave us a big sandboxer plane.
Speaker 10: We had full law enforcement powers and we just John
Speaker 10: and I had a blast. It was just an incredible time.
Speaker 10: And uh, you know, along with all that training, the
Speaker 10: Fire Marshal's office and it went from making twenty Arson
Speaker 10: arrests a year when John and I John left, I
Speaker 10: think we were up to about two hundred and fifty.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 10: Yeah, we had more investigators than it was doing just John.
Speaker 10: I think I ended up having over seven hundred arrest
Speaker 10: So now they weren't all Larson arrests. They were you know,
Speaker 10: curdib arrests, junile politicians where you don't actually go to court.
Speaker 10: You know, are you taking to juvenile plus juveneile intake
Speaker 10: officers and they don't actually go to court. The juvenile
Speaker 10: intake officer, you know, he took the kid and all
Speaker 10: that stuff, we're still counted as an arrest. Yeah. This
Speaker 10: is my good friend John. John, who is a Marine
Speaker 10: in Vietnam, was there during the Ted defensive. Third Marines
Speaker 10: He's at Third Marines were right next to Way City,
Speaker 10: Fifth Marines, Way City during the Battle of Waite City.
Speaker 10: He survived this tour during Great Guys in Pennsylvania went
Speaker 10: on to have another Stella career with Travel with Insurance
Speaker 10: with one of their chief fired us after the County.
Speaker 7: Great guys, can I say, John looks like a stud muffin?
Speaker 11: John?
Speaker 10: John had been John's gonna kill me to telling this story.
Speaker 10: John been divorced about two years and he was dating
Speaker 10: a significantly younger woman who had an education background. She
Speaker 10: also worked with County, and she was having lunch with
Speaker 10: a bunch of fire marshals one day and she let
Speaker 10: it slip that the pet name for John was stud muffing.
Speaker 6: Uh, did you come up with it on your own? Bro?
Speaker 10: That was that was like playing slow, slow pitch softball
Speaker 10: with aroon judge of back with the basis line, So
Speaker 10: John stud Muffin. Then it morphed to stud puppy, and
Speaker 10: then finally just Studley John, great guy. Just talking the
Speaker 10: other day and yeah, keep in touch a lot. We
Speaker 10: were the two arsenal investigators and came and we made
Speaker 10: it up as run along and I just had a blast,
Speaker 10: had a great rapport at all. Going into going to
Speaker 10: a formal police academy like I did. I ended up
Speaker 10: going to class, but a lot of street cops I
Speaker 10: work with, so when I pull up on the scene,
Speaker 10: they knew it, or John or all the guys in
Speaker 10: the fire martials especially. I shot them all, everybody in
Speaker 10: the fire martials except for me with pretty much country boys.
Speaker 10: So they got to shoot.
Speaker 3: You killed.
Speaker 4: Yeah, do you see some of the stuff that he's killed.
Speaker 4: I don't know if you got to be a really
Speaker 4: sharp shoot to hit those jobs.
Speaker 3: Hog.
Speaker 10: We had a great report that.
Speaker 6: Uh, it was a great let's just scared, let's bring
Speaker 6: it up. Let's go ahead.
Speaker 10: It's well foggy, Yeah, there.
Speaker 5: To be shot.
Speaker 10: It took it took three rounds to bring that one down. Really, Yeah, gosh.
Speaker 6: That thing is huge as the pig's big too.
Speaker 10: Sorry, Yeah, yes, they are.
Speaker 7: Yes, So I know, like in Texas or somewhere there's
Speaker 7: like a overpopulation of them and they're just out of control.
Speaker 5: Is that same same place?
Speaker 10: Like kind of, This is a hunting preserve and this
Speaker 10: is a wild boar. It's a Russian bars. So what
Speaker 10: they're dealing with down there feral pigs.
Speaker 5: Okay, if you.
Speaker 10: Take a farm pig and you let them lose, they'll
Speaker 10: turn feral, and they are. They do become aggressive and
Speaker 10: they tear up your land. But this is a hunting
Speaker 10: preserve and they managed the population.
Speaker 6: Someone has hair, Yeah.
Speaker 5: Nice, that's a nice I could use some of that, right,
Speaker 5: you me both probly.
Speaker 3: What you said? That was about four pounds of meat, and.
Speaker 10: I think it was about four seventy five.
Speaker 6: That's crazy, all right, Well, while we're on the hunting game,
Speaker 6: let's go ahead and have a this guy and that.
Speaker 10: Was actually that was the smaller of the three. Actually,
Speaker 10: oh smaller one.
Speaker 3: I see.
Speaker 10: Yeah, Yeah, he.
Speaker 6: Looks like he's just resting.
Speaker 10: Yeah, he got that rack uh to my man cave
Speaker 10: down in the basement.
Speaker 6: Next to the exactly stuck You.
Speaker 4: Guys, you had to see the G I Joe's. He's
Speaker 4: got a G I joe collection that makes anybody envious.
Speaker 6: Bron if you can, if you've seen forty year old
Speaker 6: Virgin with all those characters, he's right up there with him.
Speaker 5: I'd be putting the G I Joe's on the antlets.
Speaker 10: Yeah, beture of my beautiful doll and my duck hunting
Speaker 10: a couple of Christmases ago.
Speaker 6: Yes, but I listen, I'm gonna say, beautiful, let's go
Speaker 6: to this one. Okay, this is the one we want
Speaker 6: to talk about.
Speaker 4: Wow, the bills, I gotta say, Yeah, I wish I
Speaker 4: could be guys, I mean She's attractive, wicked, smart, fearless.
Speaker 10: You can fly a black Hawk through her NAT's ass
Speaker 10: without touching the sides.
Speaker 3: O Blackhawk Helicopters.
Speaker 6: Bro settled down, settled down, good Lord, then.
Speaker 10: A combat store in Iraq. In twenty eleven, met at
Speaker 10: Flying mailbacks Medavack Helicopters.
Speaker 3: I guess she's married too. What's the name of.
Speaker 10: Well she was didn't work out? Oh?
Speaker 3: Man, it happens to the bot. That happens to the
Speaker 3: best of us.
Speaker 6: So how long is was she a pilot.
Speaker 10: Of She went? She went there, she got internet, and
Speaker 10: believe it or not, she got interested when Kennedy crashed
Speaker 10: his plane. She was watching all the news coverage and
Speaker 10: the Coastguard aviation part of it, the rescue, and she
Speaker 10: turned to me and said, Dad, I might like to
Speaker 10: do that. So next day I had her Shannon Airport,
Speaker 10: our local airport, signing her up for lessons, and uh.
Speaker 10: I went up with her and her instructor, Cynthia, who
Speaker 10: ended up being my instructor when I got my pilot's license.
Speaker 10: But uh, she Cynthia took the plane off and gave
Speaker 10: the controls over my daughter, and she flew twenty minutes
Speaker 10: and got back in the pattern and gao ann and
Speaker 10: Cynthia was like, mindy, I need to take under controls.
Speaker 10: Then he after the third command the control as one.
Speaker 10: As they said, some people are born to be firefighters,
Speaker 10: some people are born to be pilot.
Speaker 3: What does she dot?
Speaker 10: Nineteen years in right now, she's still flying rock offs
Speaker 10: off the four must be proud?
Speaker 5: Is she divorced because she married a navy man?
Speaker 10: Yeah? She married no army guy.
Speaker 6: You know, it could be a little competition about the
Speaker 6: military branches, you know guys.
Speaker 3: Anyway, you know, I can stay about Bill.
Speaker 4: He told me about a renaissance man, a badass guy.
Speaker 4: He's out there shooting things. He's a pilot, he's an author,
Speaker 4: he's a firefighter, he's.
Speaker 5: As investigator, investigator.
Speaker 6: What does this guy not do? I want to scroll to.
Speaker 3: What year is this bill?
Speaker 10: This was a this picture was actually the county put
Speaker 10: out The County of Prince William put out a report
Speaker 10: every year that they sent to all the citizens. And
Speaker 10: it was really nice. It's, uh just a status of
Speaker 10: the county and they highlighted different departments and all that
Speaker 10: in this cooklet and then they send them all the citizens.
Speaker 10: I had no idea what they were doing that. Jackie
Speaker 10: Esty's was my firefighter at the time. He was in
Speaker 10: the back. We were they we were at Station eleven
Speaker 10: at the time. In the front photographer came by and said,
Speaker 10: I gotta take some pictures for the county. So it's
Speaker 10: the engine company was out, and the engine company not
Speaker 10: been out, they probably would have been in it. They
Speaker 10: were on a call. So we were on. The guys
Speaker 10: left in there, so I's sure. So we bred ladders,
Speaker 10: two guys. So they delivered a stack of these things
Speaker 10: to the station and I opened it up, these brochures,
Speaker 10: and I opened up and that pictures in there.
Speaker 3: Wow, they didn't make They didn't bust the balls about that,
Speaker 3: did they.
Speaker 10: I ended up buying a lot of ice cream for
Speaker 10: a while.
Speaker 4: We left out this one as a coast cut right?
Speaker 6: What else? What else?
Speaker 10: Like I said, I get bored easily.
Speaker 3: I see that you haven't even gotten to the book yet.
Speaker 3: For crime.
Speaker 6: He's got a pilot license. You can operate a boat,
Speaker 6: fire trucks, kills, big things kill.
Speaker 5: Can I ask? Can I ask a question?
Speaker 10: Sure?
Speaker 7: So you were an arson investigated door and nine to
Speaker 7: eleven in the Pentagon and Joel was in rescue.
Speaker 5: Did rescue respond to that? Did you respond to that?
Speaker 5: I know, we're kind of going back a little bit,
Speaker 5: but I was.
Speaker 10: In the fire marsh's office, so I was, you know,
Speaker 10: I wasn't quote operational. I talk about that in my novel.
Speaker 10: So I did. We were just I did most of
Speaker 10: the logistics, moving equipment and bringing stuff to the logistics center,
Speaker 10: and did a couple of Viking raids on a couple
Speaker 10: of local home depots, and I was getting gear and stuff.
Speaker 10: But I wasn't. I wasn't in the in the Pentagon itself.
Speaker 10: I was on the peripherals. All the U Star guys
Speaker 10: and gals were in the in the hot so doing
Speaker 10: that work.
Speaker 5: Gotcha, gotcha?
Speaker 3: Mm hmm A young one too.
Speaker 10: Yeah, my partner, Steve Adams. I hope Steve's watching Steve
Speaker 10: Steve Adams.
Speaker 5: Isn't that a million dollar man?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 6: He was.
Speaker 10: He was an incredible medic. UH. He was one of
Speaker 10: the first cardiac texts or he was in the first
Speaker 10: classic cardio act texts. UH. But before that, he was
Speaker 10: an EMT on what we call him rescue Team, which
Speaker 10: was a basic life support animals UH for three or
Speaker 10: four years and you know, the guys that were on
Speaker 10: those rescue teams turned out to be incredible medics because
Speaker 10: when they were just the EMTs, they didn't have the ivs,
Speaker 10: they didn't have the e kgs, they didn't have all
Speaker 10: that stuff. They just sometimes all they could do was
Speaker 10: hold somebody's hand and talk to him. And that's the
Speaker 10: first thing Steve taught me. My first partner was a technician.
Speaker 10: Steve was the master craftsman. Steve taught me that sometimes
Speaker 10: just holding somebody's hand and talking to him did more
Speaker 10: to ease their discomfort than most of the paramedics ship
Speaker 10: we've been taught.
Speaker 3: Is that why they called him doctor Love.
Speaker 10: Was doctor appas Doc Allams is what it's called. Well driving,
Speaker 10: Big Holly Davison fan, great guy. Just I just talked
Speaker 10: to him the other day too.
Speaker 3: I hope he's watching. I hope he's like subscriber.
Speaker 10: Yeah, we got we got our fair share of trouble,
Speaker 10: at say the least.
Speaker 7: So now you guys are cross trained as medics and
Speaker 7: fire fighters and doing the same.
Speaker 10: Yeah, we basically yeah, we were bet fire fight of
Speaker 10: paramedics gotch but our job usually if we pulled up
Speaker 10: in a working fire with our first few company, we
Speaker 10: did all the outside work. We threw ladders, secured your utilities,
Speaker 10: took the hydrant, dragged hose, and so that the one
Speaker 10: guy or two guys on the integum they could actually
Speaker 10: go inside and do that thing. If ship really hit
Speaker 10: the fan, we got to rescue h Yeah, then we
Speaker 10: mask up and go in. As a matter of fact,
Speaker 10: Bob Holman and Hope Bob's listening. He uh, and you
Speaker 10: got me truck. We're out on the call. Bob and
Speaker 10: his partner and a few whose partner was at time,
Speaker 10: they got pushed out for structure fire. Two blocks in
Speaker 10: the station. Bob and his partner went. They didn't have
Speaker 10: any breed napperass on the medican because all on the engine.
Speaker 10: Bob went in, we're breeding that apprass and rescued a
Speaker 10: robey from the second flour, heavy smoke conditions. Old school, Yeah,
Speaker 10: he definitely went old school.
Speaker 3: There's old school right there.
Speaker 10: Yeah. I'm on the right, My driver Tech two, Chris
Speaker 10: Simmons is on the left. That's what happens when you
Speaker 10: put gasoline in the kerosene heater.
Speaker 3: Ah.
Speaker 10: So that was a townhouse fire, and that's what happened
Speaker 10: people put kerosene in there, I mean gasoline and their
Speaker 10: chrosene heater. That was a pretty good fire. That was
Speaker 10: a good working fire. That as a side note, before
Speaker 10: I forget uh the uh, that was the first time
Speaker 10: in the county that we ever used the chainsaw open.
Speaker 10: Prior to that, we always used the K twelve and.
Speaker 3: Sorry is he on a what.
Speaker 5: On point? At one point?
Speaker 10: Well, West Coast brother and I've been using chain shows
Speaker 10: that open light reconstruction for years. So I just grabbed
Speaker 10: the chainstarw out of the truck and said we'll give
Speaker 10: it a try. So that's the first time we actually
Speaker 10: opened the roof of chainsaw.
Speaker 4: The answer to this question, we saw that when you
Speaker 4: were downstairs your helmet.
Speaker 3: You still have it right, yep?
Speaker 4: Yeah, we saw it in his band cave downstairs downstairs.
Speaker 6: Ye g.
Speaker 10: This one. This one's in the book too. In the
Speaker 10: novel h this lady committed attempted to commit suicide. Knife
Speaker 10: passed through her right ventric goal and was about centimeter
Speaker 10: from her spine.
Speaker 6: Most successful.
Speaker 10: I won't ruin it for you, but she was a
Speaker 10: she was a deaf mute eagle one, which is the
Speaker 10: that's that was our primary medevac helicopter back then was
Speaker 10: the US Park Service Eagle.
Speaker 5: One US Police So I was just going to ask you, yes.
Speaker 10: One, Uh, those are the guys who rescued, made the
Speaker 10: rescue when Florida ninety crash.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I was on that jop for six years before I
Speaker 5: got on the phone department.
Speaker 10: So John Maddox is the one to the left, good
Speaker 10: friend John, the guy in the white church. Jerry Shepherd,
Speaker 10: phenomenal fire officer, retired as a battalion chief. The police
Speaker 10: officer I forget her name, and she shortly after that
Speaker 10: she became the police officer's p I O. And I
Speaker 10: think that's the position she retired from. And then Steve
Speaker 10: was right there. Steve squatted down behind the blanket, and
Speaker 10: the guy in civilian clothes Chester, I forget Chess's last name,
Speaker 10: but he was a volunteer and but that's what everybody
Speaker 10: call him.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 10: He heard the call and came up from his house.
Speaker 10: And she's lived. It's in the book. She she lived
Speaker 10: the book soon.
Speaker 6: Yeah. Yeah, just a couple more and.
Speaker 10: And uh, this is a bus accident again. This one's
Speaker 10: in my novel too, on chip Rock Creek. Uh, and
Speaker 10: went off the overpass into the creek. It was twenty
Speaker 10: five people. Uh on the bus. I think we got
Speaker 10: a living fatalities. I'm down in the left hand corner
Speaker 10: college see my back. Steve, my partner, Stevens is the
Speaker 10: boy with his hands on the on the patient. She
Speaker 10: survived for the mid star. Uh. One of the victims
Speaker 10: was the wife of a Fairfax County firefighter. She killed.
Speaker 10: Mm hmm. So that happened I think eighty one or
Speaker 10: eighty two, but that that was the first mass casualty incident.
Speaker 10: I was on as a medic hm m mm hmm.
Speaker 10: And all these cases, all you know, we got off
Speaker 10: at five, all these actions, so we seem to happen
Speaker 10: at four o'clock.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean that.
Speaker 5: You have to have a ton of accident.
Speaker 3: I mean yeah.
Speaker 10: This was another good one of David sword rose To
Speaker 10: delivered two ups trucks basically had our collision. Again, I'm
Speaker 10: the one with the long hair chi. I don't know
Speaker 10: what they were doing. They end there about dying that
Speaker 10: we got one got one in the hospital. John Murphy
Speaker 10: is the guy on the fire another plank holder of
Speaker 10: the paramedic program. He was on a rescue team. Incredible
Speaker 10: medic Steve Strodhoman. Right here you heard Joel talk about
Speaker 10: Steve Steves, the other paramedic in the County Marine. Former
Speaker 10: marine was on HM Mexwan, the Presidential helicopter Squad the
Speaker 10: county and we worked together for two years at Next seven.
Speaker 10: And the other two guys in civilian clothes were off
Speaker 10: duty Fairfax firefighters that got there that render day before
Speaker 10: we got there. They stopped the day.
Speaker 5: I think it's a mangled yea.
Speaker 10: Some more roof work. I think that was a boy.
Speaker 3: He loves it. He loves himself right now. Oh we
Speaker 3: saw the pig and that.
Speaker 10: I think he should be all. Yeah.
Speaker 3: We got the seventies eighties short shorts with the tube socks.
Speaker 11: Uh.
Speaker 10: This is a look. We were all local members and
Speaker 10: Marine Corps Marathon nineteen eighty one. On the one on
Speaker 10: the right squad of Damn Warren. Whitley is standing behind
Speaker 10: me warrant. Warren ended up retiring as an assistant chief
Speaker 10: and he also retired as a captain with the Coastcoar Auxiliary.
Speaker 10: Next name is Tim Lake. Tim's DeLong. He passed the
Speaker 10: brain cancer and I think it was a line of
Speaker 10: do to death squatting again. It was John Maddix, good friend,
Speaker 10: John Matis Scott Kane standing behind. John was born on
Speaker 10: Long Island. Came to work for us, and he left us.
Speaker 10: A few years after this. I went to work for
Speaker 10: just for Columbia Fire Department and returned from the district
Speaker 10: as a captain for thirty years. Who the last guy? Huh?
Speaker 5: No, go ahead, good, I'm sorry?
Speaker 10: Uh the last guy to the left, Scott Davis. Scott
Speaker 10: retired as a battalion chief. We're now questioning one of
Speaker 10: the finest fire officers I ever had the privilege to
Speaker 10: work with. Out Standing guy, out standing officer. Never lost
Speaker 10: this cool. It didn't matter what station Scotty was at.
Speaker 10: It could be the shith Hall, which for US for
Speaker 10: Station seven. People were sending transfers to go to seven
Speaker 10: because they wanted to work for Scotty. You didn't care
Speaker 10: where he worked. Absolute great guy. There is a rumor,
Speaker 10: I'm not sure if it's true, but there was a paramedic,
Speaker 10: first five paramaic who sprained his ankle playing volleyball. He
Speaker 10: was on like duty for two weeks in the office
Speaker 10: and his job was sorting through the mail. Scotty was
Speaker 10: a captain of Station eleven. This firefire paramatic had already
Speaker 10: put in his transfer to go to eleven if there
Speaker 10: was a vacancy. So this particular firef paramatic, at a
Speaker 10: spring to ankle, was sorting through the mail and there
Speaker 10: would be these transfer across coming through to go to
Speaker 10: work for Scotty, and somehow they got this filed. I
Speaker 10: don't know how that happened. So somehow that they ended
Speaker 10: up in the round file cabin. The only one that
Speaker 10: got to the chief desk was firefighter who Now I
Speaker 10: cannot confirm, but I did sprain my ankle twice while
Speaker 10: I was working for the county finish fish. It doesn't
Speaker 10: matter if it's f d N Y or Princeville County.
Speaker 10: You know, somebody retires, you usually got somebody step in
Speaker 10: their place, just job or better. But when Scotty retired,
Speaker 10: it was like, oh, ship, what do we do now
Speaker 10: because we don't have any replacements. Ed Roll another guy,
Speaker 10: lieutenant Edrol. When I had left, we took a hit.
Speaker 10: Dave McIntosh another lieutenant. When Dave left, it's like, okay,
Speaker 10: what do we do now? Because we don't have anybody
Speaker 10: replaced them? They would They were just those type of officers,
Speaker 10: just that type of guys, and uh it was pleasure working.
Speaker 3: I'm sure those guys staying the same.
Speaker 4: About Bill Neeman, I'm probably not.
Speaker 6: Steve Chief. Steve part loves his socks.
Speaker 10: By the way, I ended up doing iron Man several
Speaker 10: years later, so that marathon was a piece of cake.
Speaker 3: Iron Man I was a marathon.
Speaker 10: Yeah. I did the Iron Man, which is a two
Speaker 10: and a half mile swim, hunting, twelve mile bike and
Speaker 10: twenty six miles. I did that. I did that ninety eight.
Speaker 10: I think it was twenty three.
Speaker 4: Kenny, I feel I feel like this next to this guy,
Speaker 4: one of my all about I sit here to fucking
Speaker 4: run doing this and this guy's running marathon.
Speaker 5: And who finished the Marine Corps marathon first?
Speaker 10: Uh uh, I think Scottie came. John and I were
Speaker 10: way back. I took John and I like fifteen four
Speaker 10: hours and fifteen minutes, but you finished. It was our
Speaker 10: first one, and uh so we were of all the
Speaker 10: career guys, we were the ones in the.
Speaker 3: Back about four days to finish that.
Speaker 5: I think I'm still running it.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 10: We When I was with the county, we had a
Speaker 10: fanatical physical physical fitness program. We got had two hours
Speaker 10: every chef for PT and uh, just about ninety percent
Speaker 10: of the guysticipated and actively uh and gave good efforts.
Speaker 10: And uh it showed later on in life and a
Speaker 10: lot of us got involved in doing marathons and sorry
Speaker 10: man and things like that. Uh, but we had a
Speaker 10: fanatic border. And then they implemented several years later you
Speaker 10: had to pass your Physical Fitness program test. You took
Speaker 10: it twice a year. You don't even pass it once
Speaker 10: a year, which you had.
Speaker 3: Imagine Kenny, if they had.
Speaker 10: A couple of guys didn't get promoted because they didn't
Speaker 10: pass their PET tests.
Speaker 7: So you know, there's a lot of guys nowadays that
Speaker 7: I see coming on. They're really into fitness and working
Speaker 7: on and stuff like back in the day, back in
Speaker 7: the day, you know, but hey, even some of the
Speaker 7: guys that didn't look like they were in shape but
Speaker 7: kicked the ship out of a fire any day to
Speaker 7: week and pulling.
Speaker 5: And all that stuff. Stuff you know, very true. I
Speaker 5: like to I like to. I like the physical fitness part.
Speaker 5: I think everybody's going to feeling good.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 10: Yeah, well, you know, you you recover from injuries quicker
Speaker 10: when you're better shape you know's and you screw something up,
Speaker 10: you do heal a real quicker.
Speaker 3: You were what you yeh big?
Speaker 6: Yeah you ain't both for cryingout.
Speaker 3: So how many years did you put it before you retired?
Speaker 6: Uh?
Speaker 10: Twenty? I did three with Marine Corps base and twenty
Speaker 10: five with the county, so total of twenty eight.
Speaker 3: Because almost thirty Hey, I got a good idea, I'm
Speaker 3: going to write a novel.
Speaker 10: Well the now the novel came way later. I retired
Speaker 10: in two thousand and four. All right, so but business
Speaker 10: partner Tim Haverick. Tim and I served in the Arsenal.
Speaker 10: We started a little business back in ninety five doing
Speaker 10: fire investigations for insurance companies and lawyers and stuff like that.
Speaker 10: The intent was to make enough money so we could
Speaker 10: take our families on two really nice vacations every year.
Speaker 10: That was that was the goal. Well thirty years later,
Speaker 10: here we are still doing the twenty reasons I retired.
Speaker 10: We grew so big we were going to have to
Speaker 10: hire somebody. When I was going to have to retire,
Speaker 10: all start lined up for me. So I punched out
Speaker 10: with twenty five with the County and went directly into
Speaker 10: the business and that's we just celebrated our thirtieth year
Speaker 10: in business. And that's what we did. We do fire
Speaker 10: and exposed investigations for all the insurance companies. The lawyers
Speaker 10: got six great people. I took my daughter to a
Speaker 10: fire scene once. Then we walked in and I said,
Speaker 10: that's said, I don't know. I said, I was like.
Speaker 7: Money business owner too.
Speaker 5: Man had that Coob's business own.
Speaker 4: God Man's Man of the five service, and he wrote
Speaker 4: a book. We haven't got to the book. Get let's
Speaker 4: get to the book now.
Speaker 10: But it's been a bucket nuts thing for a very
Speaker 10: long time. And you know, I was hoping to find
Speaker 10: somebody who had written a book or now you know,
Speaker 10: could do a hard work for me. I was just
Speaker 10: telling the stories that they'd write it, and that never happened.
Speaker 10: My follow law passed away in April twenty one and
Speaker 10: my mom wa came to live with us, watched a lot.
Speaker 10: She couldn't be left alone for a very long time,
Speaker 10: so my wife was still working with VETOT. She retired
Speaker 10: a year a lot later in twenty twenty two, with
Speaker 10: forty two years, but it was during collage, so my
Speaker 10: wife was got to work out of the house. So we
Speaker 10: could keep an eye on our mother. She could work
Speaker 10: and I could do my thing. And then my wife
Speaker 10: retired in twenty twenty two, and they begged her to
Speaker 10: come back to work. She'd been there forty two years,
Speaker 10: and everybody in her office had been there about five years,
Speaker 10: so she had all the organizational memory. So they begged
Speaker 10: her to come back to work part time. So she
Speaker 10: did that. She's still working at part time. So the
Speaker 10: day she was at work, I would flexed my schedule
Speaker 10: to sit home with my mother in law. And so
Speaker 10: she loved will fortune. She loved not well fortune, Let's
Speaker 10: make a deal and prices right, sit and watch with
Speaker 10: her every day. And when I got a little board,
Speaker 10: and she loved monk. So one day I got a
Speaker 10: little board watching monks. So I grabbed my laptop while
Speaker 10: I was sitting with her, it just started writing. That
Speaker 10: was April with twenty twenty three, and they signed off
Speaker 10: on the final edition the first week of April twenty
Speaker 10: twenty five out a dozen writes.
Speaker 3: Huh took about two years to write it.
Speaker 10: H Yeah, that included about a dozen dozen rewrites and
Speaker 10: editions and deletions and stuff.
Speaker 3: So you sent it to the editor, they send it
Speaker 3: back to you.
Speaker 10: Oh. I sent it to twelve different companies and one
Speaker 10: company said, yeah, we'll do it, So it's pretty it's
Speaker 10: pretty good.
Speaker 5: To one hundred companies and they did nothing.
Speaker 10: Yeah, and so far it's gotten pretty good reviews. It's
Speaker 10: mostly a lot of reviews of people I worked with
Speaker 10: and which would expect to be my hardest critics. Most
Speaker 10: of them I've really enjoyed it. So it's a fictional
Speaker 10: it's a novel based on actual events. How's that go.
Speaker 10: The names have been changing to protect the innocent in
Speaker 10: some cases guilty and so well.
Speaker 4: The guy that what's his name did that Smith did
Speaker 4: the same thing from a report from company eighty two.
Speaker 4: Were just the names were slightly off, but it was
Speaker 4: it was fictional stuff. I mean it was real stuff, well,
Speaker 4: fictional stuff based on real life stories.
Speaker 10: So it was. That was one of the first books
Speaker 10: I read on the fire report with reports from engine company.
Speaker 3: I must read that book like fifteen times by now.
Speaker 10: I just read it again about three years ago. It
Speaker 10: was a paperback. I gave the paperback to my daughter.
Speaker 10: As a matter of fact, I read But yeah, it's
Speaker 10: it's a timeless peace. I mean it's yeah flies today.
Speaker 4: So where did you how'd you sit down and write it?
Speaker 3: Just about stories that you had?
Speaker 10: Yeah, the things, the events I've been on a witness,
Speaker 10: the practical jokes. There's several epic practical jokes in there
Speaker 10: that just are epic directually involved in or you may
Speaker 10: find iced tea, iced tea and athletic sports. That was
Speaker 10: probably one of the best. Uh story number eighteen, Chapter eighteen.
Speaker 10: You guys got to read that one. That's an epic
Speaker 10: rank and the guy who ended up pulling that prank
Speaker 10: ended up becoming chief of the department twenty years.
Speaker 4: Later, so it was you know, at least he's a
Speaker 4: funny I.
Speaker 10: Yeah, I just sat down wrote. I can't even say
Speaker 10: I wrote an outline. I just started writing stories. You know,
Speaker 10: stuff came to me and.
Speaker 3: Just did you go in chronological order? It just went on.
Speaker 10: No, No, it's definitely not in chronological order. They were
Speaker 10: just independent stories, fictional stories. Each story stands on its
Speaker 10: own merit. You know, they don't know any type of work.
Speaker 3: How many how many stories?
Speaker 10: The chapters of it, there's thirty three stories. Oh wow,
Speaker 10: that's it's five hundred and ninety five pages. So Rochester.
Speaker 10: I should have written two books, but I'm not sure
Speaker 10: i'd want to do that, but I want too. The
Speaker 10: only thing I could say about if you if you're
Speaker 10: writing a novel or a book to make money, you're
Speaker 10: going to be very disappointed. Yeah. I did it because
Speaker 10: there was a bucket list thing. And you know, if
Speaker 10: I sold ten books, great, If I sold a million,
Speaker 10: that was great too. Yeah, that's that's why I did it.
Speaker 10: I didn't do it to make money. You know, the
Speaker 10: story needed to be told. I've wont something from my
Speaker 10: daughter to read twenty years from now, right. Yeah, better
Speaker 10: remember how bad ass a follow was at one point
Speaker 10: in time?
Speaker 6: Still is do we get to the name of the book?
Speaker 10: Heavy Fire showing can I show to Boom?
Speaker 6: I was waiting for it to pull it up for you.
Speaker 5: Here you go.
Speaker 6: I didn't want to pull it up prematurely, but you.
Speaker 4: Know, God that was on his game today. Man, Heavy
Speaker 4: Fire is showing you find out where guns?
Speaker 6: Oh God, We'll see what we can find this. You know, guys,
Speaker 6: there's a couple of different places we can find it.
Speaker 3: Let me pull this Amazon.
Speaker 6: Well we got Amazon you yeah, believe it's at iTunes.
Speaker 6: Then you can get it on.
Speaker 10: Kindle, and it's not Barnes and Noble. What's the other
Speaker 10: bookstore that's around now. I can't remember the name of it,
Speaker 10: but anyway, you can buy it there too.
Speaker 6: That's what we'll call it. Just google it, Google it.
Speaker 6: I googled it and I think it comes up into
Speaker 6: places too. So heavy fire showing, guys.
Speaker 3: Let me see that book cover again, bro got you?
Speaker 7: I bet once you started writing, it all just flowed
Speaker 7: and flowed and flowed it came out.
Speaker 10: Yeah. There is the second and third chapter of the
Speaker 10: of the novel. When you read it, I said, I
Speaker 10: I sent I sent it up to you guys today,
Speaker 10: I ship one out today. The second and third stories
Speaker 10: of chapters are about my mother, my parents. Uh. Writing
Speaker 10: the story about my mother was hard for a lot
Speaker 10: of reasons, and when you read it you under stand why.
Speaker 10: And uh and the same with my father. And my
Speaker 10: father served in Korea with the ranger, got shot up
Speaker 10: a bunch of times, ended up having a traumatic brain injury,
Speaker 10: which uh he suffered through most of his life. So
Speaker 10: us these chapters were kind of hard.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 10: The rest of it, the rest of it kind of
Speaker 10: just flowed, just just came out.
Speaker 4: Did you find you had to you're writing up me
Speaker 4: and you're like, I can't put that on too.
Speaker 10: Yeah, there were a couple of things, a couple of
Speaker 10: things that I decided probably wouldn't be, wouldn't make let's
Speaker 10: look a little unprofessional. Let's just put it that one.
Speaker 3: Uh yeah, professional unprofessionals around.
Speaker 6: Yeah, the record conversations.
Speaker 10: Yeah, and there's you know, yeah exactly so. Yeah, but
Speaker 10: for the most part it's it's they're not they're fictional stories,
Speaker 10: but they're definitely based on things that happened. And Uh,
Speaker 10: I tried to I wrote it in the style that
Speaker 10: one there was just a bunch of were sitting around
Speaker 10: the table telling the story. That's how I tried to
Speaker 10: write it. And two, I tried to show the dedication
Speaker 10: and and the and just to sheer dedication and great
Speaker 10: guys and gals I worked with, you know, of the
Speaker 10: course of my career, and you know what they went through,
Speaker 10: not only on the job, off the job too.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 10: I talked about one of our first female firefighters in
Speaker 10: the book. She's called Natty or trace her outstanding woman.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 10: She came on abroad in the classic sense. My grandmother
Speaker 10: was abroad. My father my mother was abroad, and so
Speaker 10: was Natty. I mean when she came on, she understood
Speaker 10: she was entering a male dominated profession and she needed
Speaker 10: to do it twice as good as everybody else, right,
Speaker 10: And she didn't bitch about it. She took it on
Speaker 10: as a personal challenge and she did it. And she
Speaker 10: ended up being one of our top level driver operators
Speaker 10: and ended up retiring as the first first female pattaning chief.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 10: The thing she went through early in her career, not
Speaker 10: just not from the paid, not from the guy she
Speaker 10: worked with, but from the wives.
Speaker 3: Yes, we had a lowiss.
Speaker 10: Nobody shouldn't have to take that abuse.
Speaker 4: She said that she went through more ship with the
Speaker 4: wives that she actually went through with the guys in
Speaker 4: the fire.
Speaker 3: I remember that. Yeah.
Speaker 10: And she retired for twenty eight years outstanding outstanding individual,
Speaker 10: outstanding fire officer, uh, just all around great firefighter and
Speaker 10: and she earned it. She wouldn't give it to her.
Speaker 10: She earned every bit of it. She could hold her
Speaker 10: own with everybody. And I talk about her in the book.
Speaker 10: She's one of those people that was always doing something
Speaker 10: nice for somebody. I mean, if you had a you
Speaker 10: worked at Station thirteen when she was there. Didn't matter
Speaker 10: what shift you're on, it was your birth birthday. There
Speaker 10: was a Christmas a birthday card in your locker from Naddy.
Speaker 10: Made Christmas tree ornaments for everybody. For all three shifts,
Speaker 10: kids had birthdays. She'd buy gifts and cards, was always
Speaker 10: baking something forth all three ships. She was just that
Speaker 10: type of person. Just couldn't find a better individual. And
Speaker 10: like I said, she earned it. She earned there.
Speaker 3: So when people that you work with read the book,
Speaker 3: what was their reaction?
Speaker 10: Honestly, I've not gotten one negative reaction.
Speaker 3: Wow, that's good.
Speaker 10: Not one of all the people. Most of them are like, wow,
Speaker 10: you know, you pretty much nailed it. There might be
Speaker 10: some negative reactions they have shared them with me, but
Speaker 10: they talked pretty much loved it.
Speaker 3: Bill wrote that son of a bitch, you know, and most.
Speaker 10: Of the guys and gals I was close to that
Speaker 10: I talk about in here. You know, I put in
Speaker 10: a favorable light and rightfully so. Some of the chief
Speaker 10: officers that worked with maybe not so much. But and yeah,
Speaker 10: I remember we were a very very young fire department.
Speaker 10: I was with Prince Wayne County two years when I
Speaker 10: got promoted lieutenant. Wow, man, you know, we people were
Speaker 10: making it up as you went along, you know. I was,
Speaker 10: like I said, I was a medic on a Friday
Speaker 10: and a truck lieutenant on a Monday. And you learn quick,
Speaker 10: you really really quick. And I was a paid guy
Speaker 10: at Marine Corps based Counico for three years probably to
Speaker 10: come into the county, you know, and I had a
Speaker 10: lot of voluntary experience. But I was there two years
Speaker 10: when I got promoted lieutenant just because we were a
Speaker 10: young department and and people got promoted rapping. That was
Speaker 10: an advantage of being on a young department. Also at
Speaker 10: the disadvantage because she got put in a hot seat
Speaker 10: pretty quick with our a whole lot of experience, and
Speaker 10: you couldn't handle it. It showed pretty quickly.
Speaker 7: Were there any guys senior to you that that they
Speaker 7: kind of jumped to the lieutenant and got you instead.
Speaker 10: Of when I when I went through. I talked about
Speaker 10: it that in the novel too. When I took my
Speaker 10: lieutenants exam, there were forty five people who took the exam.
Speaker 10: There were four openings for lieutenant and I came down
Speaker 10: number four. So the chief went right down the list. Yeah,
Speaker 10: I came down number six. Back then it was just
Speaker 10: a written exam. I'm a question. We're an exam and
Speaker 10: an oral interview by a civilian board, like four or
Speaker 10: five civilians that you interviewed with, and they raided you.
Speaker 10: And it came down number six on a written and
Speaker 10: after the oral interview board, I moved up the number
Speaker 10: four chief went right down, went to three four.
Speaker 7: I had a question about Quantico. Did you say that
Speaker 7: there were four companies?
Speaker 10: There was four fire stations at Marine Corps based Quantico.
Speaker 10: There was the main station, there's the air station that
Speaker 10: also was near the crash crew where Joel worked. Then
Speaker 10: we had a fire station out of Camp Barrett, and
Speaker 10: we had a camp a fire station at Midway Island,
Speaker 10: which was the kind of stafford his Marine Corps housing area.
Speaker 10: And then in the summer months when they were running
Speaker 10: ocs and all these other schools, we had a fifth
Speaker 10: station that Camp Pupture, but that was just like journey
Speaker 10: for three months out of the year. So yeah, and
Speaker 10: we and we ran mutual aid with the They ran
Speaker 10: mutual aid with the county. So I got that. When
Speaker 10: I was a firefighter chronicle, I got to respond with
Speaker 10: Prince William uh two o'clock in the morning. I was
Speaker 10: out there with the volunteers and firefight uh Roo Base
Speaker 10: and that was a good time. And I probably would
Speaker 10: stay there if they'd had the MS program stayed there.
Speaker 3: So do you go back and visit the firehouse at all?
Speaker 10: I did the first time about six months ago. I
Speaker 10: went to Station three and I walked in there and.
Speaker 6: You didn't recognize anybody.
Speaker 10: I walked in there. The volunteer chief just happened at
Speaker 10: the time, just happened to be pulling in and he
Speaker 10: let me in. None of the career guys were anywhere
Speaker 10: on the apparatus. They apparently up there. And I walked
Speaker 10: in there and I looked at the apparatus. It didn't
Speaker 10: feel like home anymore. Yeah, just didn't feel like home.
Speaker 5: Son me, I'm out three is now.
Speaker 3: You know, March, guys that you work with, there are.
Speaker 7: A lot of guys gone, man, A lot of a
Speaker 7: lot of my guys got promoted, a couple of retired.
Speaker 7: But there's there's not too many faces left, I believe
Speaker 7: in three years recently.
Speaker 4: I think I went back two weeks ago, three weeks
Speaker 4: ago the squad and there was maybe two guys that
Speaker 4: work with two two companies two guys.
Speaker 5: That's crazy. It's such a big turnover on these jobs.
Speaker 10: You yeah. I mean when I was with the Can
Speaker 10: we you know, we had a little bit of a turnover,
Speaker 10: but not like you say now. I mean there are
Speaker 10: actually departments approaching players. I mean it's it's you know,
Speaker 10: they're going for the paycheck, and which is all well
Speaker 10: and good, but you know, sometimes it's more than just
Speaker 10: a paycheck.
Speaker 3: You know, yeah, sort of fire department.
Speaker 4: I want Bill Neeman, you want Bill the fire guy.
Speaker 10: I'm not sure if you guys are familiar with our
Speaker 10: geographic area, but there's Prince William, Then there's Fairfax County,
Speaker 10: and I'm sure you heard about Fairfax and uh City
Speaker 10: of Alexander, Arlington County, but Fairfax County we always called
Speaker 10: Fairfax County l A L A county each because they
Speaker 10: were always you know, the more progressive guys, I guess,
Speaker 10: and and and they paid well, and they were at
Speaker 10: the time they were on shift work. We were on
Speaker 10: day work. So we lost a lot of guys to
Speaker 10: Fairfax and and to you know, PC and some of
Speaker 10: the other departments. The most part, we didn't have a
Speaker 10: huge turnover, not like their experience now.
Speaker 3: M Mike, maybe you want to run the show, because
Speaker 3: that was my next question.
Speaker 4: We appreciated Bill. I'm gonna ask you, and I ask
Speaker 4: every retired guy. Do you have the same dream that
Speaker 4: most retired guys have that you get a run and
Speaker 4: you can't find your gear?
Speaker 10: Now, what wakes me up?
Speaker 6: In this case? Sorry, she's got a boat, helicopter, the coffee.
Speaker 10: PI seriously dreams of not being able to find the
Speaker 10: coffee pop.
Speaker 6: That's the first.
Speaker 5: I haven't. I haven't had that dream. I swear I had.
Speaker 7: Some pretty crazy dreams, and they seem really that that's
Speaker 7: not one of them.
Speaker 3: Not fine, I'm not exaggerating.
Speaker 4: If I have that dream twice a week, same dream
Speaker 4: comes in and I cannot find my gear or somebody
Speaker 4: somebody hit my gear because I left it on the rig.
Speaker 4: You know how you have to h on the rig?
Speaker 4: They would Yeah, same thing. One of those two dreams.
Speaker 5: You manifested because you talk about it so much, that's what.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's definitely connection when it comes.
Speaker 5: Next, absolutely doubt.
Speaker 3: What about you. Joel can ask you, do you have
Speaker 3: that dream?
Speaker 5: Ask him what does it saying?
Speaker 6: Ask him? Damn, I do I look in a New
Speaker 6: York accident from JB.
Speaker 11: John Bethel, Oh yeah, John John, and I and our
Speaker 11: Chief fire Marshal John O'Neill at that time when I
Speaker 11: got especially back then, when I got a little tired,
Speaker 11: my Brooklyn accent and it would make itself known on occasion,
Speaker 11: and we we arrested.
Speaker 10: This guy for this huge pile of illegal fireworks and
Speaker 10: he was given me some bullshit story and I said,
Speaker 10: do I have stupid written across my forehead but New
Speaker 10: York accent? And O'Neil just fell on the floor laughing.
Speaker 10: He was just, you can't accent.
Speaker 6: It usually comes out when you really get pissed or something.
Speaker 10: My my, yeah, my Brooklyn. I talked about that in
Speaker 10: the novel There's two times, only two times on the
Speaker 10: job where by Brooklyn dna get the best of me.
Speaker 10: I talked about that.
Speaker 3: Guy the Motorole of shampoo because he wasn't listening.
Speaker 10: Was it.
Speaker 3: You know what the Motorola shampoo is?
Speaker 10: Right?
Speaker 3: I do?
Speaker 11: I do?
Speaker 10: When I talked to guys I worked with when I
Speaker 10: about growing up in Brooklyn, it was like, yeah, if
Speaker 10: you didn't get in a fistfight once a day, you
Speaker 10: weren't trying hard enough, you know, it was just life,
Speaker 10: you know, And that's how I grew up. You know,
Speaker 10: it was the survival of the finish when you were
Speaker 10: a kid, you were in I was, I was sixteen
Speaker 10: if we lived on Manhattan until I was sixteen, and
Speaker 10: the uh owner of the building sold the building and
Speaker 10: they jacked the rent up. So my parents moved to
Speaker 10: Grove Street for a year, and then after Grocer.
Speaker 6: Grove.
Speaker 3: Huh, Grove and Grove.
Speaker 10: I don't remember the cross streets now. It was two
Speaker 10: three blocks from where I lived. It was a Harmon
Speaker 10: and Him Rod, which was the Harmon.
Speaker 3: And Rock where one twenty four truck is him run?
Speaker 10: Yeah, okay, yeah, the groves over here him the truck
Speaker 10: one twenty four is up here and Menahan Streets. That's right. Yeah,
Speaker 10: So you still I mean, I know all this because
Speaker 10: I looked at up on Google Maps.
Speaker 3: I just trying to keep memory to what do not
Speaker 3: have described to my daughter.
Speaker 10: I grew up in a four room apartment, not a
Speaker 10: four bedroom, a four room apartment that shared with my
Speaker 10: parents and three other siblings. And I was trying to
Speaker 10: describe this apartment and my daughters where I was at.
Speaker 10: She said, why don't you just look it up on Google. Okay,
Speaker 10: so I did you know? That's how what I say
Speaker 10: to him, expect.
Speaker 3: Did you live?
Speaker 5: Do you live near Ralph Crampton and Chauncy Street.
Speaker 10: I lived there pretty close. He was there Knickerbocker and
Speaker 10: what else. There's something that was uh with the old
Speaker 10: ship or factory or a processing thing. Back then you
Speaker 10: could buy live chickens. So there's a big chipping place
Speaker 10: where my mother went up and bought the chippen's lives
Speaker 10: and I killed him. She brought him home since I was,
Speaker 10: like I said, I was a block away from Saint Brigi.
Speaker 10: Uh which church when.
Speaker 5: Brooklyn was the world? Do you guys have that book?
Speaker 10: Yeah? I lived there predominantly ah Italian neighborhood.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 10: My mother was Italian, my father was German English German.
Speaker 11: Uh.
Speaker 10: It was pretty much an Italian neighborhood. You had sixty
Speaker 10: mothers and then just had one mother. You couldn't screw up,
Speaker 10: you know, because he smacked before your mother.
Speaker 3: Woul was your mother's maiden name. Something.
Speaker 10: Tomarco me, Oh, I have an uncle. Let me tell
Speaker 10: you about my uncle, tom.
Speaker 5: Hey Tony.
Speaker 10: Speculating. I'm speculating umber Tony was a milkman for thirty years.
Speaker 6: Wow.
Speaker 10: He had a household, beautiful Householong house in the park,
Speaker 10: Caddies boat.
Speaker 5: It was a milk man.
Speaker 10: I wanted to be making day Uh. He had some
Speaker 10: other part time activities supplemented, I learned later. So yeah,
Speaker 10: for a while there, I definitely wanted to be a
Speaker 10: milkman because he was.
Speaker 4: Saying to my grandfather, I never worked right, and my
Speaker 4: mother says, a truck driving truck. We should he be
Speaker 4: driving a truck for Meanwhile, if you if you see
Speaker 4: him in a barber, he pull out a wand like
Speaker 4: this he go, you mother, give you my don't tell
Speaker 4: you how I gave you the money.
Speaker 6: Here.
Speaker 10: My grandfather, my mother's my mother's father worked for a
Speaker 10: departments sanitation for and some but back in the day
Speaker 10: that was they didn't have you know, you had to
Speaker 10: take the freaking you know, trash can and climb up
Speaker 10: the side of the truck and throw it in. And
Speaker 10: he was like a freaking ball.
Speaker 6: Back in the day.
Speaker 5: I had to pick up the trash can.
Speaker 10: I mean, yeah, yeah, move it.
Speaker 3: Had to pick it up.
Speaker 10: And occasionally when somebody in the neighborhood didn't pay there
Speaker 10: alone on time, pay.
Speaker 8: Him a visit, taking code the judge find his check book?
Speaker 6: I was I loved.
Speaker 10: When you're growing up, judge find his checkbook?
Speaker 3: Were you.
Speaker 6: Sorry? I tried to get that in a suit of
Speaker 6: ten pages later?
Speaker 10: Yeah, it was. Uh, it's a good time growing up
Speaker 10: there with Grover Cleveland for three years. Had got a
Speaker 10: good education. I had one of those teachers. You get
Speaker 10: that one teacher that you have in your life that
Speaker 10: makes a difference. And Bill Carney was his name, and
Speaker 10: he was a grom Cleveland science teacher, and just he
Speaker 10: was one of those guys that was like, you know,
Speaker 10: you can do whatever you want to do, just gotta
Speaker 10: learn they focused. Uh yeah, So hopefully somebody everybody has
Speaker 10: that one teacher during the course of their life.
Speaker 4: Told my teachers who threw me down the hallway like
Speaker 4: a freaking bowling bull.
Speaker 5: I'm sure you didn't deserve it at all.
Speaker 3: I walked through the wrong door, That's what I did.
Speaker 3: I walked through the wrong door.
Speaker 10: The nuns and the brothers were they were. They had
Speaker 10: some issues.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know what whatever.
Speaker 3: What do you got anything else to add to the
Speaker 3: book now?
Speaker 10: I just uh, like I said, it was just a
Speaker 10: bucket list thing. Then some stories I thought needed to
Speaker 10: be told.
Speaker 7: You know, next week he's gonna climb Mount Everest. You
Speaker 7: know I already did.
Speaker 3: That, bro.
Speaker 10: So yeah, a little seventy and slowing down just a tad.
Speaker 3: Uh, you know, only runs like one marathon.
Speaker 10: Yeah, I actually managed to do it five k with
Speaker 10: my daughter. During Thanksgiving, we did a turkey try. I
Speaker 10: didn't run. If I managed to walk all of it
Speaker 10: without killing myself, all right.
Speaker 6: You're out there. That might just keep yourself busy.
Speaker 10: You know that's the key, stay and focused and you know,
Speaker 10: staying busy and uh, you know all that physical fitness
Speaker 10: training when we went through when I was a young kid.
Speaker 10: I'd still say that's what's paying off now. And so
Speaker 10: grill hot, just have my daughter. My wife and I
Speaker 10: would be married forty nine years next month. Grau high
Speaker 10: school sweetheart. She was cool, literally the first one of
Speaker 10: the first people. She was the first person I met
Speaker 10: when I moved down here. I talk about it in
Speaker 10: my novel, but make a long story short. Uh, that
Speaker 10: summer before I came down here, I worked up Upstate
Speaker 10: New York with George at the restaurant, and so my
Speaker 10: good friends stand since past the Hotchkins. Uh. So we
Speaker 10: worked up there all summer. My parents had moved down
Speaker 10: to Virginia, always upstate, like George, working that summer, and
Speaker 10: so I came home. I was sitting on the front
Speaker 10: porch of our new house with my mother and this
Speaker 10: young girl kind of walking up the block delivering newspapers
Speaker 10: and with her brother's paper route but he couldn't make
Speaker 10: the literalities that day to go for her. And she
Speaker 10: had long, skinny legs, a tan, great tan because she
Speaker 10: was like a pool, a long hair, glasses and for
Speaker 10: whatever reason, I've always been attracted to women wear glasses.
Speaker 10: And she walked up the street and she was slinging
Speaker 10: the papers up on the porch, and I turned to
Speaker 10: my mother and I said, Mom, that's the girl I'm
Speaker 10: gonna marry.
Speaker 3: Oh.
Speaker 10: My mother said, that's nice, son, But don't you think
Speaker 10: you should meet her first?
Speaker 3: But we didn't say hello. I don't know what do
Speaker 3: you mean?
Speaker 10: Forty nine years Alice? There was first night and still
Speaker 10: is I guess.
Speaker 3: Saying that he doesn't know it, but he's running one
Speaker 3: next year too.
Speaker 10: Who's that water?
Speaker 6: Oh?
Speaker 10: Yeah, she's got I think she's got a ten k
Speaker 10: coming up here.
Speaker 3: He doesn't know, but he's running one awesome stuff. I
Speaker 3: don't think we've met a more.
Speaker 4: Well rounded individual than we have with Bill Neeman, Bill
Speaker 4: Ny the fly Guy.
Speaker 10: Yeah, I get bored quickly, so I tend to move.
Speaker 6: Bro Bill need the man listen.
Speaker 7: Just don't start any podcasts, all right? How about that especially.
Speaker 4: One that maybe you get this idea like it's the
Speaker 4: Flyhouse gets the Table.
Speaker 10: I don't know, but you guys keep I'll tell you.
Speaker 10: I guys keep having me on and we'll start my own.
Speaker 3: All right, you're on next week. We gotta thank joel
Speaker 3: Kski for sending uh our way. And I hope you
Speaker 3: saw you sell a good amount of copies yet or what?
Speaker 10: I have no idea. Somebody they asked me how MA sold.
Speaker 10: I don't know. I'm not worried about it. Like I
Speaker 10: said I wrote it, I selling one copy or a million.
Speaker 3: John will be counting every cent.
Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, but whatever, whenever I get out of it
Speaker 10: and get out of it. You know, my wife and
Speaker 10: I are wife worked for Veda for forty three years,
Speaker 10: and yeah, I got county of my job. We're doing
Speaker 10: we're doing okay, so whatever else we get on the cakes.
Speaker 5: The joy of writing, the joy of writing right, basically.
Speaker 4: Thank god, your daughter looks like your wife at this point.
Speaker 3: Oh God, yes, my wife's We gotta play with rushall.
Speaker 6: All right, here we go.
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Speaker 3: Excellent.
Speaker 5: Oh, he's the magician too.
Speaker 6: Over here.
Speaker 4: Tonight, I gotta give it to my boy, Kenny d
Speaker 4: He popped this little seed in my head for the
Speaker 4: old school health safety.
Speaker 3: So we were peer pressuring Kenny because he's not drinking. Tonight.
Speaker 4: Bill was drinking to bourbon had. I said, what's not
Speaker 4: he don't drink? He says, well, I don't like to
Speaker 4: drink during the week. And I gotta say, you know what,
Speaker 4: I got respect for the guy, because it's very easy
Speaker 4: once you retire and go down that rabbit hole. So
Speaker 4: because a big part of you is definitely missing. A
Speaker 4: big part of your identity is definitely the fire service,
Speaker 4: so you might turn into other things. So it's part
Speaker 4: of my health and safety tip. I say to you
Speaker 4: everything in moderation. That's what I told Kenny. So I
Speaker 4: want to tell I want to thank Kenny for popping
Speaker 4: that little idea into my head tonight. Not so school
Speaker 4: in safety. I appreciate sure, little sweet Sure, yeah that
Speaker 4: was great, short and sweet.
Speaker 5: Yeah like me.
Speaker 3: Well, I've never met you a person, so I don't
Speaker 3: know you could be. How tall are you?
Speaker 6: Talld me.
Speaker 5: I'm probably not tall than you.
Speaker 10: Yes, yeah, a little bit.
Speaker 3: You're five seventy now I am once.
Speaker 4: I got my knee fixed and now it's straight up,
Speaker 4: so five to seven.
Speaker 3: I'm going with.
Speaker 5: I'm like five to five on a good day. Come on,
Speaker 5: I swear to God, listen, if I was tall, i'd
Speaker 5: be ordinary like everybody else, right right, all right.
Speaker 4: Listen, I'm not gonna throw no shade on you. Rumble
Speaker 4: still skin, you're good man, right, all right?
Speaker 10: God?
Speaker 3: Actually, who we got a next dny guy next yeek, next.
Speaker 6: Year, next Dave Russell.
Speaker 3: Dave Russell. I've been trying to get this mother jump up.
Speaker 4: And he's not answering my call. Finally we got him,
Speaker 4: Dave Russell. I think he's a seventeen truck guy, isn't he?
Speaker 10: Joel?
Speaker 3: Dave Russell? He was in forty one? He was?
Speaker 6: I don't know, Actually I was looking at it. I
Speaker 6: didn't see any information on what he had, just.
Speaker 3: Had his name. I'll get on, but Joel could tell
Speaker 3: us if he.
Speaker 6: Was a seventeen Yeah, chimes in there or anything.
Speaker 4: We'll wait a second, let me see if all right,
Speaker 4: he's not chiming in. Maybe maybe it's a different time
Speaker 4: zone over there is any where? Does he lived now?
Speaker 3: Bill? No, he was on an island somewhere.
Speaker 6: Oh that's right. No, Russell Bear, Harry Beast, hairy beast.
Speaker 3: But then he work in seventeen? Joel was what I'm asking?
Speaker 3: What I'm accident?
Speaker 6: Joel waiting on you?
Speaker 3: Joel canasty, Joel Carnasty.
Speaker 6: But are what is Bill not answering the question?
Speaker 5: What is Russell be he wrestled?
Speaker 4: No, there you go, thank you, Joel. John still waiting
Speaker 4: for the Rescue one show with you. He's supposed to
Speaker 4: give me two or three Rescue one guys.
Speaker 3: But I'll wait.
Speaker 4: No problem, anyway, how to thank Bill nine the fire
Speaker 4: guy for coming on. I hope he sells eight million copies.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna get one myself. I'm gonna I'm gonna get allegedly,
Speaker 4: I'm gonna take a couple of sheffles out of my
Speaker 4: wallet and I'm gonna buy one.
Speaker 6: Yeah, let's go go for your walds.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't want to thank Kenny coming in again?
Speaker 4: Man on last minute notice. Kenny's filling It was a
Speaker 4: little anchor there. Good for you, bro, Thank you. Watch
Speaker 4: the Kitchen Table. It's a very funny show. Good interviews
Speaker 4: there you go. Oh boy, yeah, God, I hope you're
Speaker 4: on the mend.
Speaker 6: I am you too. We're all doing great. Man, I
Speaker 6: actually feel good.
Speaker 3: You do? You look good? When do you go back
Speaker 3: to work?
Speaker 6: I've been working. I went back to work on Monday.
Speaker 6: I took a week off. Back to work still no, Well,
Speaker 6: it's funny you say that. Would they give you a
Speaker 6: little uh thing to take home because they tell you
Speaker 6: to keep them pulled up so they don't turn black
Speaker 6: and blue? Well, I just used my briefs and kept
Speaker 6: holding them up with this little thing they gave you.
Speaker 6: I was like, man, my balls like a jock. Oh yeah,
Speaker 6: the two josh app one little one and then they
Speaker 6: gave you a normal sized one. They gave me a
Speaker 6: wonderful look like for an infant.
Speaker 4: Was like, well, they probably looked at you and they
Speaker 4: said style. He needs the infant style, right, that's what
Speaker 4: he said. Yeah, I look at him infant size. We
Speaker 4: saw you.
Speaker 3: You wait. Bill's like, what am I on?
Speaker 10: Now?
Speaker 3: What am I doing here? I don't know what I'm doing.
Speaker 7: It was pretty it's pretty much listening to your story
Speaker 7: and all this stuff that you've done.
Speaker 5: Appreciate you having me really really cool, really cool.
Speaker 10: Thank you and uh besting luck to you guys and
Speaker 10: uh wishing that the best.
Speaker 4: Yes, Bill, don't hang up. Yeah I have to beat yeah,
Speaker 4: because a lot of guys. Uh, when we go back,
Speaker 4: we'll be back in the pre show again, So don't
Speaker 4: x out.
Speaker 3: Don't Jerry took a whiz. So you're good, right, Yeah?
Speaker 10: Yeah, well said yeah. Once you turn fifty, it's like
Speaker 10: fifty minutes or fifty miles.
Speaker 4: Now tell me about it about more times at night
Speaker 4: than you can shake us a thicket. All right, guys,
Speaker 4: So we'll see you next week. For Dave Russell, the
Speaker 4: hairy beast, as Joel says, he's coming on, and don't
Speaker 4: get the check out the membership in the link below,
Speaker 4: check out the cup of Joe and Fuego, and definitely
Speaker 4: check out Kenny Delaney on the kitchen table and gone
Speaker 4: Jah looks perfect tonight. I turned for coming on until
Speaker 4: next week. You know what I say, Stay low and.
Speaker 6: Go alright, guys, have a good night. Remember we're rolling
Speaker 6: heavy and thanks Bill for joining me. I'm waiting. I
Speaker 6: was waiting for.
Speaker 7: Remember it must be true if you heard it.
Speaker 4: I have to catch you alright, guys, good night everyone,
Speaker 4: good night,