Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to the show of Martin Willis your host.
Speaker 1: We have a couple of great guests coming up tonight.
Speaker 1: We have a Dave Rich and mary Anne Rob. I
Speaker 1: have met them several times at Marianne that's actually a
Speaker 1: longtime friend and retired police officers that had had a
Speaker 1: real interest in this topic of UFOs and have done
Speaker 1: a lot of exploration. And Dave has actually had a
Speaker 1: incident happen. We can touch on that I did last
Speaker 1: time they were on, But anyway, I'm really excited to
Speaker 1: have them on. Just a couple of things this coming
Speaker 1: Thursday at a PM. I was hoping to have James Fox,
Speaker 1: but it looks like he got pushed into the following week.
Speaker 1: So I decided to do something I used to do
Speaker 1: back with Lee Spiegel and other friends years ago, and
Speaker 1: that is a year in review. So that's what we're
Speaker 1: going to do on Thursday night starting at eight pm.
Speaker 1: So far, I have Jack UFO. Jack is going to
Speaker 1: be joining me as he did for the Age of
Speaker 1: Disclosure Review. He's going to be on and a couple
Speaker 1: of other people, so it should be a lot of fun.
Speaker 1: So look for that this coming Thursday at eight pm.
Speaker 1: This is a pre recorded show, and like I always say,
Speaker 1: I'm too lazy to edit, So all my shows are
Speaker 1: just like live shows, whether I am doing them live
Speaker 1: or not. And I should be in the chat. I
Speaker 1: am traveling Tuesday. That's why I'm doing it this way,
Speaker 1: so hopefully I will be in the chat and see
Speaker 1: you there. And without further ado, I'm bringing in my
Speaker 1: two guests, and I just want to say one other thing.
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Speaker 1: without further Ado, welcome you too. Hey, as it goes,
Speaker 1: it's good good, and so we have to squish together
Speaker 1: to make this work. So it's been a pleasure meeting
Speaker 1: you both. And of course Marian you we've been friends
Speaker 1: for a long time and it's been really fun. It's
Speaker 1: always great to get together. And anyway, I just have
Speaker 1: to say, you know, I mean, we'll just start right out,
Speaker 1: because I have had this conversation with people before, like,
Speaker 1: for instance, I always bring them up Seth Shastak of SETI.
Speaker 1: I said, well, don't you consider like police officers and
Speaker 1: military and pilots, you know, better witnesses. And he said, no,
Speaker 1: they're no more better than anyone else. That's exactly what
Speaker 1: he said. And I want you to kind of argue
Speaker 1: that point. Why are you, as a police officer a
Speaker 1: better observer?
Speaker 2: I would say that the reason why a police officer
Speaker 2: or any first responder is a better observer is because
Speaker 2: of the training that we receive in becoming a police officer.
Speaker 2: They do a rather extensive psychological profile of you, looking
Speaker 2: specifically for certain characteristics. And those characteristics that they really
Speaker 2: are looking for are your ability to handle a high
Speaker 2: stress situation and still remember your training or remember to
Speaker 2: not kind of fly off the handle and kind of
Speaker 2: rain everything in. Do you want to kind of control
Speaker 2: that situation. So when you see something, whether it's a
Speaker 2: robbery or a burglary, or a stolen vehicle, or a
Speaker 2: light in the sky or a paranormal experience at a
Speaker 2: house or something in the woods, both of those situations,
Speaker 2: as a first responder, we're trained to go into those situations,
Speaker 2: see something that is unexpected and then be able to
Speaker 2: kind of gather that information and then impartial be the
Speaker 2: best witness. They always say, be the best witness that
Speaker 2: you can be situation, But we already have the advantage
Speaker 2: of being basically grilled through the academy, through our training
Speaker 2: classes to be thrown into these scenarios. They always do
Speaker 2: this scenario based training, and so you're constantly getting thrown
Speaker 2: into these scenarios where you really don't know what's going
Speaker 2: to happen, and you like walk into a room and
Speaker 2: then stuff happens, and it's designed to put you in
Speaker 2: that scenario of Ooh, I wasn't expecting that. But I'm
Speaker 2: still able to process this information, gathering this information because
Speaker 2: at the end of each scenario, you're then put in
Speaker 2: a room and be like, Okay, so tell us what happened,
Speaker 2: what did you see? What did you not see? So
Speaker 2: and I guess against what Seth was saying, I would
Speaker 2: say anybody who has had that level of training is
Speaker 2: going to just inherently be a more reliable witness, and
Speaker 2: a witness is going to be able to control their
Speaker 2: emotions a little bit better in those scenario. So I
Speaker 2: would argue that.
Speaker 1: Mary An, you ever youthink to add to that.
Speaker 3: Not really, I mean, he just hit the nail on
Speaker 3: the head. One thing is we go to a scene.
Speaker 3: I've gone to accident scene, say, and I talked to
Speaker 3: five different witnesses. Most of them again are just upset.
Speaker 3: They are just rattled what they saw. And then you
Speaker 3: ask them, Okay, what did you see? They might say
Speaker 3: it was a blue car and a red car, and
Speaker 3: this is what happened. This is what happened. Yet it
Speaker 3: was say, a green car and a yellow car or
Speaker 3: something like that. They're not going to be good witnesses.
Speaker 3: They're not really paying attention like a police officers trained
Speaker 3: to really pay attention to whatever situation is that they
Speaker 3: come upon. Well.
Speaker 2: And like a great example that we would give during
Speaker 2: some of our talks, like which officer do you want
Speaker 2: showing up at the scene when you have a car
Speaker 2: accident you're bleeding out. Do you want the guy that
Speaker 2: shows up and goes, Okay, you're gonna be fine, everything's good,
Speaker 2: don't worry, we have help coming. I'm gonna put pressure
Speaker 2: on the wound. We're gonna be good. We're gonna walk
Speaker 2: through this together. Or do you want the guy that
Speaker 2: comes up and goes, WHOA, that's a lot of blood, man,
Speaker 2: What is going on? That's supposed to be attached. You don't.
Speaker 2: Oh god, you're done, dude, what do you want showing up?
Speaker 2: And as an officer, whether you're a firefighter or police officer,
Speaker 2: any first responder, you're not gonna get it. The second guy,
Speaker 2: he's not showing up. And that is all based off
Speaker 2: of the training of you're going into a situation that
Speaker 2: you don't know and may not have a lot of
Speaker 2: control over, but you sare better look like you have
Speaker 2: control because that's how you're going to save these lives
Speaker 2: and how you're gonna win the day at the end.
Speaker 1: And there are so many, so so many cases where
Speaker 1: police officers were involved as witnesses. I mean you can
Speaker 1: just historically and you know, I think I do believe
Speaker 1: maybe it has been a blog of Charles Lear, but
Speaker 1: if not, I'll remind him it would make a great
Speaker 1: blog to do. Just oh yes he did, actually I
Speaker 1: think no, no, that was about police officers becoming ufologists,
Speaker 1: that's what he did. But anyway, I think it would
Speaker 1: be a great, you know, story to write because there's
Speaker 1: so many. I mean, I could just think of a
Speaker 1: whole bunch of them right off the top of my head.
Speaker 1: And one of the ones I always thought was really
Speaker 1: amazing was the one who my good friend Lee Spiegel
Speaker 1: I just mentioned down in North Carolina is in Lamberton.
Speaker 1: That is such a great case. And do you know
Speaker 1: about that case? I mean, when I bring up a
Speaker 1: case like that, it probably should talk about it. I know.
Speaker 1: Let me just tell you what I know and then
Speaker 1: you can add to it. So Lee got a call
Speaker 1: from Jay Allen Heinek and he said, hey, you know,
Speaker 1: would you like to go investigate a UFO down in
Speaker 1: North Carolina? And Li said, well, yeah, what's the details. Well,
Speaker 1: this triangle UFO, it keeps showing up in Lumberton, I
Speaker 1: think that's the name of it, and you know it's
Speaker 1: being witnessed by police officers and everything else. And he says,
Speaker 1: so you want me to go and investigate a flying dorrito?
Speaker 1: That's what Lee said. His exact words were. So he
Speaker 1: shows up and sure enough, this thing just they're all
Speaker 1: standing together, this thing just shows right up, a triangle
Speaker 1: UFO and it glides right over them and sends down
Speaker 1: a beam of light between him and all these police officers.
Speaker 1: I mean, it doesn't get better than that. And I
Speaker 1: do believe there was another officer that was on the
Speaker 1: road somewhere and actually pulled over with his flashlight and
Speaker 1: shined it up at it. I don't know if you know.
Speaker 1: Do you know any more details than that?
Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, that's one of the stories. It takes I'm
Speaker 3: not kidding. It probably takes about fifteen minutes to tell
Speaker 3: the story. Yeah, there's about thirty officers, I want to say,
Speaker 3: several counties, yeah, eleven different agencies. That it started in
Speaker 3: Lumberton that one night, and I don't have the actual
Speaker 3: date right now, but it started in Lumberton. Three officers
Speaker 3: watch a thing go above a water tower and it
Speaker 3: took off from there, and they tried to contact it,
Speaker 3: you know, and just kind of drive up. It took
Speaker 3: off to the next town. One of the officers radio
Speaker 3: to that next town to talk to the officer. Hey,
Speaker 3: get out there, there is this craft coming over your way.
Speaker 3: There is no sound, you know, it has its lights.
Speaker 3: There is absolutely no sound to this thing, and it's huge.
Speaker 3: So again that officer went and he chased it to
Speaker 3: another town and it just kept going from town to
Speaker 3: town to town. Now what's interesting is that it would
Speaker 3: disappear just as daylight was coming up, So say six
Speaker 3: o'clock in the morning or five o'clock in the morning.
Speaker 3: It would disappear as soon as about ten o'clock at night.
Speaker 3: The next night, boom, it reappears and reappears in Lumberton again,
Speaker 3: and that chases on. What's really cool is this dispatcher
Speaker 3: that started this whole thing was what he was the
Speaker 3: first one to get like ten or twenty phone calls
Speaker 3: from citizens about this craft coming over. Well, he was
Speaker 3: so on the ball that he's the one that called
Speaker 3: the center of the UFO studies, which is doctor j
Speaker 3: Ellen Heinek screw. He's the one that started that. And
Speaker 3: then as all of these this craft was going over,
Speaker 3: he was listening being in a I was a police
Speaker 3: officer in a small town for a few years up
Speaker 3: here in Arizona, and one of the things that we
Speaker 3: had is we had scannered that we were able to
Speaker 3: hear the Sheriff's office, the highway Patrol, other agencies, and
Speaker 3: we all contacted each other through this inner agency radio,
Speaker 3: you know, the scanner. And that's what was happening, is
Speaker 3: that the dispatch was listening to all this stuff that
Speaker 3: was going on. Then let's see, it's one officer would
Speaker 3: catch it. You're talking about the officer that put the
Speaker 3: light on two times. One it was a chief of
Speaker 3: police at this one agency, White River, white Horse. It
Speaker 3: was a city or a town, and he took a
Speaker 3: light that's like a one of those airplane landing lights
Speaker 3: that he had in his trunk and he set it up.
Speaker 3: And that's what he did is he blinked his light
Speaker 3: at this craft and the craft was blinking the light back.
Speaker 1: In it him.
Speaker 3: That dispatcher that was hearing all this a couple of
Speaker 3: days later, it was his day off. So what did
Speaker 3: he do. He wanted to go get into the action.
Speaker 3: And you know what, you got to be careful what
Speaker 3: you wish for, because that's exactly what happened. He saw
Speaker 3: the craft. He actually again got out of his car.
Speaker 3: The craft was, you know, just suspended right next to him,
Speaker 3: and he went in put his lights, flashed his head
Speaker 3: lights at it. It flashed back at him, well neither,
Speaker 3: and then it took off. And what the officer did
Speaker 3: was or what the dispatcher he tried to follow, but
Speaker 3: this thing just took off. Now what's interesting about this
Speaker 3: case is, like I said, it was seven counties that
Speaker 3: reported this. There were times that this craft started going
Speaker 3: toward South Carolina, but it didn't. It didn't reach the border.
Speaker 3: This thing could have went anywhere, but for four nights
Speaker 3: it stayed in the Seven Counties. The first time it
Speaker 3: was seen by a water tower. The last time, I
Speaker 3: believe it was seen near a water tower. So what
Speaker 3: are they getting Are they getting their energy? Are they
Speaker 3: getting water from this water tower to you know, to
Speaker 3: make the craft go? Is at their fuel? My analogy
Speaker 3: on all this, which I thought was kind of funny,
Speaker 3: is this craft one night went like one one city,
Speaker 3: then came back to the other. They came back to
Speaker 3: the other and people were just chasing it. It reminds
Speaker 3: me of a Friday night with a bunch of teenagers
Speaker 3: in mom and Dad's car that were, you know, playing
Speaker 3: with the police department and just running back and forth,
Speaker 3: and they were just they were just chasing this craft.
Speaker 3: But the end of the the end of this four
Speaker 3: day adventure, there was an off duty police officer that
Speaker 3: was going to church. It was a Sunday morning and
Speaker 3: he was going to church with his family and he
Speaker 3: saw this craft which looks like it landed in a field.
Speaker 3: So they got agencies to come I want to say
Speaker 3: it was just either in lumber Ten or just outside
Speaker 3: of lumber Ten, and they actually found these burnt circular spots.
Speaker 3: Was a triangle. I apologize I don't have the story
Speaker 3: front of me, but I believe in the triangle that
Speaker 3: they found in a field behind this barn, and the
Speaker 3: owners of the ranch came back or the farm and
Speaker 3: said they weren't there when we left earlier. So whatever,
Speaker 3: it was landed for a short time. But then but
Speaker 3: after the four days, I don't believe that that was
Speaker 3: ever seen again. And it was great. I you know,
Speaker 3: I got the the Project blue Book, or at least
Speaker 3: the the the information not from the Center of UFO Studies.
Speaker 3: I don't think it was Project blue Book, but I
Speaker 3: got all of the files that Lease Fegel had in
Speaker 3: all these police agencies. It is just one of the
Speaker 3: coolest stories that we've told as a historical case.
Speaker 1: I love it. And I never knew about the landing.
Speaker 1: I never heard that before. And you know, I have
Speaker 1: to say, ever since I started this show, it's been
Speaker 1: one of the biggest puzzles that I always ask opinions of,
Speaker 1: is why do these sightings happen in the very same
Speaker 1: place and what you said, the thing could go anywhere
Speaker 1: it wants to. But for a continued time, this seems
Speaker 1: to happen a lot. And recently I brought up Chase
Speaker 1: Klutsky's you know, siting in Tennessee where the big triangle
Speaker 1: was going over you know, this celebrity can't say who
Speaker 1: it is, but over his you know, cornfields over and
Speaker 1: over again. Sure enough it showed up right in front
Speaker 1: of her and she went there to completely disprove it.
Speaker 1: And yeah, so it just it's such a puzzle. Then,
Speaker 1: you know, why on earth are they contained to a
Speaker 1: certain area over and over again, sometimes just for days,
Speaker 1: and then they're gone. You never see them again. It's
Speaker 1: it's it's just as much of a mystery as the
Speaker 1: rest of it.
Speaker 3: Oh, no doubt. I just yeah, it would be great
Speaker 3: to you know, capture.
Speaker 2: One uh one of the as the some questions perhaps.
Speaker 3: Or whatever, and terrogate these guys.
Speaker 1: And yeah, that's right under the light. Yeah so yeah.
Speaker 1: And another thing is the interaction with the flashlights that
Speaker 1: happened the algash incident, that happened with Father Gill incident
Speaker 1: in Papa now gandhi uh one am I trying to say.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to remember where he was located. The Father
Speaker 1: Gil case. That's a great case where the flashlight he
Speaker 1: called it a torch and the thing was reacting to
Speaker 1: the torch. That also happened at a case where someone
Speaker 1: pulled over on the side of the road and I'm
Speaker 1: trying to remember. I think it might have been Australia,
Speaker 1: but I'm not sure where. They flashed up at a
Speaker 1: UFO and it blinked, you know, back at them the interactions.
Speaker 2: Yeah, flashlights, Yeah, Clarendon Nova Scotia. It was a Royal
Speaker 2: Canadian Mounted Police officer. Jim Blackwood.
Speaker 1: Oh, yes, that's right, I know all about that. Yes,
Speaker 1: he's now the he's now the raccoon Whisperer. If you
Speaker 1: look them up on YouTube. He lives in a cabin
Speaker 1: and he has all these raccoons come to him every night.
Speaker 1: Check it out on YouTube.
Speaker 2: But yeah, he talks about shining the flashlight at was
Speaker 2: hovering over the water and then that's right, which takes off.
Speaker 3: But talking about that and being a raccoon whisper now
Speaker 3: because of that's an incident that he had and that
Speaker 3: the department basically forced him to talk to the press
Speaker 3: that just totally ruined him, ruined his career and probably
Speaker 3: psychologically just totally screwed him up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we can't. We can't leave that without talking about
Speaker 1: Lonnie's a moura very similar thing. He would have never
Speaker 1: if he could have gone back. He probably wishes he
Speaker 1: never you know, he's no longer with us, but he
Speaker 1: probably wished he never said anything. He actually said that.
Speaker 2: No, yes, Blackwood said it as well. He literally was
Speaker 2: quoted as saying it was the worst mistake I ever did,
Speaker 2: was talking about it.
Speaker 1: But I think more was very important. I mean, think
Speaker 1: of you know, that's when Jay Allen Heinech took his
Speaker 1: turning point between the skepticism to realizing there was really
Speaker 1: something to this with such a credible witness.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So yeah, another one. So if you're new to the
Speaker 1: whole UFO thing, if you check out the Sikora incident,
Speaker 1: s O c r O incident, you will see all
Speaker 1: that information. Hopefully I spelled it right, But anyway, we
Speaker 1: can put some of these things in the show notes,
Speaker 1: so people can you know, click on a link and
Speaker 1: actually see these different things. But yeah, I mean I
Speaker 1: love police officer cases and I know you have done
Speaker 1: so many investigations on this, and you looked into it historically.
Speaker 1: So either one of you want to comment on what
Speaker 1: do you think some of the better unknown ones are.
Speaker 3: Well, well, yeah, if we're talking historical minds, Val.
Speaker 1: Johnson, Yes, the cruiser still exists, right, I mean the
Speaker 1: cruiser is somewhere.
Speaker 3: You know. It's interesting that was it. There was somebody
Speaker 3: that I just oh, I don't want to say his names.
Speaker 3: I don't know if he would mind that or not,
Speaker 3: but he knows. Val Johnson now still around. I would
Speaker 3: love to meet them. And that car is still at
Speaker 3: the museum there in Minnesota, his car that this incident happened.
Speaker 2: This is a fascinating story.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know if you want to kind of
Speaker 3: go into it a little.
Speaker 1: Bit, Yeah, yeah, why don't we. Here's the here's pulling
Speaker 1: up right now because my great blogger Charles lear jed
Speaker 1: a story on this particular case. And look there he
Speaker 1: is right there. This will again we'll be in the
Speaker 1: show notes. But go right ahead, go right into it.
Speaker 3: I love this, okay, Well, nineteen seventy nine, that was
Speaker 3: on patrol. It was late at night in I believe
Speaker 3: it was worn Minnesota and he was driving up a
Speaker 3: highway and the highway came to a t intersection just
Speaker 3: up the road, and he looked off to his left
Speaker 3: and he noticed this large white tight ball that's just
Speaker 3: hovering above the roadway. So he's thinking plane crash, car crash.
Speaker 3: He has no idea what he has, So I made
Speaker 3: the turn. He starts going down toward this light. All
Speaker 3: of a sudden, this light goes crashes through his windshield,
Speaker 3: hits him in the chest, and he said it felt
Speaker 3: like a two hundred pound pillow hitting his chest. Well,
Speaker 3: it knocked him out and his car kind of just
Speaker 3: kind of drifted to the side, came to a stop
Speaker 3: a few hundred yards from you know where he got hit.
Speaker 3: Got on the radio and says, I don't know what
Speaker 3: it was. I don't have no idea, but this thing
Speaker 3: came through my windshield. Ams shows up, other officers show up.
Speaker 3: They take val to the hospital. Now, doctor says they
Speaker 3: examined his eyes. They says both eyes had burns like
Speaker 3: they were arc welder burns on both eyes. His both
Speaker 3: his jaw and his teeth were cracked at the gumlet line.
Speaker 3: They were all raptured and they could figure out what
Speaker 3: in the world this thing was. So they they take
Speaker 3: the car and they have the GM guys come out
Speaker 3: to inspect the car. They also have somebody from like
Speaker 3: oh gosh, General Dynamics or whatever they had back there.
Speaker 3: There was another organization that came out and they checked
Speaker 3: his car out and the results, the official result was
Speaker 3: it was something that's it just something hit his car.
Speaker 3: Nobody could actually say what exactly hit his car. They
Speaker 3: had no idea. So, and what was interesting if you
Speaker 3: look at the picture of the car, whatever this thing
Speaker 3: was that hit his car, it went up over the
Speaker 3: front bumper, It broke the headlight on the driver's side,
Speaker 3: It went up, it hit the driver's side window, it
Speaker 3: hit the overhead emergency lights of his patrol car on
Speaker 3: the driver's side, broke an antenna and went straight over. Now,
Speaker 3: if it was a bird, if it was a some
Speaker 3: kind of hard object, whether it was a rock, when
Speaker 3: it hits that the front bumper, it's gonna go different ways.
Speaker 3: It's gonna just ping off and it's gonna hit the
Speaker 3: driver's side, or it's it's it's going to miss the
Speaker 3: rest of the car. But like the picture you have
Speaker 3: up there right there, is it actually went right up
Speaker 3: and over just the driver's side, which was really unique.
Speaker 3: So I now this one was Project blue Book. I
Speaker 3: did look at all of the reports that came in
Speaker 3: from doctor j Allen Heinek and everybody, everyone, every single person,
Speaker 3: Jailen Heineck and everybody said, this guy is truthful. What
Speaker 3: he is saying is truthful. Even his supervisor, his chief
Speaker 3: of police, was on this guy's side. But I do
Speaker 3: believe that he was another one that I think it
Speaker 3: just kind of ended his career on this because I
Speaker 3: think it was just there was a lot going on.
Speaker 1: But basically I do believe that was I'm sorry, I
Speaker 1: hate to correct you, but that was Kufo's because this
Speaker 1: happened in nineteen seventy nine, right, okay, oh, not Project
Speaker 1: Glue Book.
Speaker 3: Then this was another one that I just found with
Speaker 3: Heine's probably the investigation that he's done. Again, I'm sorry
Speaker 3: about that. Probably not black Project blue Book. But I've
Speaker 3: seen some of reports from doctor Jalen Heineck on this
Speaker 3: and it's like, wow, this this was I think this
Speaker 3: was an amazing story.
Speaker 1: Absolutely. Yeah. So one of the better ones.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and one of the things that I think a
Speaker 2: lot of people forget about is kind of going off
Speaker 2: of what when we first started the show talking about
Speaker 2: Seth's comment about how police officers aren't any different than
Speaker 2: any other witness. There is one aspect where first responders
Speaker 2: aren't any different than any other witness, and that's the
Speaker 2: fallout after the fact, because yeah, we're trained to go
Speaker 2: into a situation and take control of the situation. But then,
Speaker 2: like we're talking here, what happened to Jim blackwotot what
Speaker 2: happened to Lanie Zamar, what happened to Vale Johnson and
Speaker 2: all these other first responders that sees them when they
Speaker 2: come forward and talk, the trauma that they see from
Speaker 2: seeing this thing, the fallout that they have that they
Speaker 2: have to face in some cases is even amplified because
Speaker 2: of the career that they have. And that's kind of
Speaker 2: a lot of what brought Marian and I together with
Speaker 2: u APPD was to provide that safe environment. But I
Speaker 2: think a lot of people forget about that. Like Lanie's
Speaker 2: a more story, it's an amazing story, but very few
Speaker 2: people know about what happened to Lannie after that's right,
Speaker 2: And like Jim Blackwood's story, amazing story. Bil Johnson an
Speaker 2: amazing story. Nobody ever asked, hey, what happened to this guy?
Speaker 2: Like a week, a month, a year after the sighting?
Speaker 2: And I think a lot of people kind of forget
Speaker 2: about that. Part is that these are still people just
Speaker 2: like every other witness, and in some cases, like I said,
Speaker 2: the fallout is even more pronounced because of their chosen
Speaker 2: career and the training that they have that allowed them
Speaker 2: to enter into that situation and be such amazing witnesses.
Speaker 2: Now there's a ramification.
Speaker 1: I look at a situation like what Ryan Graves has
Speaker 1: put together for pilots, you know that well they can
Speaker 1: actually report without worrying about it. Now, have you ever
Speaker 1: considered any type of organization or is this what are
Speaker 1: you hope to have? This where people that are officers,
Speaker 1: whether they're retired or active, can actually come to you
Speaker 1: and say, look, this happened. I'd like to talk about it,
Speaker 1: you know, in a way that.
Speaker 2: Is exactly what we're trying to do with this.
Speaker 3: We started this because of Dave's incident that he had
Speaker 3: back in twenty seventeen where he was ridiculed. He was
Speaker 3: basically told by a supervisor that he was lying, he
Speaker 3: needs to shut up or he'll lose his career. And
Speaker 3: we know that there are so many officers out there
Speaker 3: that this has happened to. And that's again why we
Speaker 3: started now. We had to wait until he retired because
Speaker 3: if we started this beforehand, good possibility he might have fired.
Speaker 3: So we waited until everything was safe and he was
Speaker 3: able to retire, and then we started an organization. Now
Speaker 3: he had to suffer for for six years by keeping
Speaker 3: it inside. It's stressed. I mean I've known this guy
Speaker 3: for over twenty five years and I could see the
Speaker 3: stress on him. I know it stressed out his family
Speaker 3: and stressed out his career when he was working. So
Speaker 3: we don't want officers to wait till they retired to
Speaker 3: come forward and talk to us like unfortunately Dave had
Speaker 3: to do. That's why we started UAPPD is that this
Speaker 3: is a what I call a safe zone that they
Speaker 3: can come to us now, right now and share their
Speaker 3: experience with us. Get it off your chest, get that
Speaker 3: stress out, whether you know so, and it's it's safe
Speaker 3: to where even if you're working, you're on duty, you
Speaker 3: won't be identified.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're not going to say who you are.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we just want you to know that you are
Speaker 3: not crazy. Stuff like this does happen, and we are
Speaker 3: here to help. We are here to listen to you
Speaker 3: and to make you understand that you know what you
Speaker 3: saw is you saw it. I mean, there's no two
Speaker 3: ways about it. Can we explain it? No, but you
Speaker 3: did see something, and no, you don't keep it inside.
Speaker 3: We don't want you.
Speaker 2: To do that. And that's one of the things that
Speaker 2: we kind of push is like, it's not just UFO's
Speaker 2: settings site. My incident had nothing to do with the
Speaker 2: UFOs is paranormal, but we have stories. Since we've started
Speaker 2: this thing about two and a half years ago, we've
Speaker 2: now gathered somewhere close to about ninety original stories, so
Speaker 2: stories that most people have never heard of, in everything
Speaker 2: from UFO to cryptids to paranormal encounters, demonic encounters. We
Speaker 2: as an organization don't care what you saw because our
Speaker 2: focus is the first responder. We want to hear your
Speaker 2: story because the first step towards recovery or first step
Speaker 2: towards healing is to find somebody that's safe, that you
Speaker 2: can talk, who's not going to judge you, who's not
Speaker 2: going to criticize you, and you can feel safe and
Speaker 2: comfortable telling knowing that we're not going to run back
Speaker 2: to your agency and be like, oh, and just so
Speaker 2: you know, so and so came up to us on
Speaker 2: Saturday and told us that they saw bigfoot. We're not
Speaker 2: going to say any of that stuff. And they can't
Speaker 2: make us say that. There's no leverage and agency can't
Speaker 2: come out and say, well, you need to tell us
Speaker 2: what this guy talking about. No, we don't. They have
Speaker 2: no leeway or no leverage to try and force us
Speaker 2: to talk about anything. But what we want to do
Speaker 2: is we want to make sure that the officers, the firefighters, whoever,
Speaker 2: game wargans, park rangers corrections, they know that they can
Speaker 2: come to us and talk. We will help them, and
Speaker 2: in some cases we've even helped them find other specialists
Speaker 2: in the field that can help them as far as
Speaker 2: therapists or counselors or people that have had similar incidents
Speaker 2: that can help them negotiate it. Because again, at the
Speaker 2: end of the day, yeah, we would love to come
Speaker 2: up with all the answers and what these things are,
Speaker 2: and we love doing investigations into things when we get
Speaker 2: these stories, but at the end of the day, our
Speaker 2: main focus is to help first responders recover from whatever
Speaker 2: it was that they've encountered, and that first step is
Speaker 2: to just come forward, be able to talk in a
Speaker 2: safe environment where you're not going to be judging, and
Speaker 2: you're not going to be looked at this crazy. In fact,
Speaker 2: we're going to have you walk out of there realizing
Speaker 2: that you're not crazy. And there's a lot of stuff
Speaker 2: in this world that nobody really understands exactly.
Speaker 1: I say that I wonder about reality sometimes, you know,
Speaker 1: in general. But let's see, I would like for you
Speaker 1: to tell you a story. I know you did last
Speaker 1: time you were on, but I'd still like you to
Speaker 1: repeat it if you would. But before you do that,
Speaker 1: is there any is there any outstanding UFO cases that
Speaker 1: you have been told that you could tell us now
Speaker 1: that would not you know, you know, endanger anyone's privacy.
Speaker 2: Probably well Australia. I vote to tell them about the
Speaker 2: Australia case. We got a story. Gosh, it's probably only
Speaker 2: been like maybe three months ago that this story came in.
Speaker 2: So since we've started, we've been on thanks to the
Speaker 2: people like you, we have been on a number of
Speaker 2: different podcasts and so our organization is finally starting to
Speaker 2: reach some pretty far areas. We get called by a
Speaker 2: police constole. She's now a retired police constable from Australia,
Speaker 2: from the the Golden Coaster, like north of Sydney, Australia.
Speaker 2: And she basically tells us that like for most of
Speaker 2: her life that she can remember, she has had these
Speaker 2: weird encounters with extraterrestrial craft and entities. We'll say, so
Speaker 2: it really like she gave us three specific incidents that
Speaker 2: happened in her life, one of which she actually sent
Speaker 2: us video that she took with her cell phone. That
Speaker 2: part is really cool because she's in her lip room working.
Speaker 2: She's an artist now now that she's retired from police work.
Speaker 2: She does artwork, and she's in her living room kind
Speaker 2: of just drawing and stuff. There's this big window. She
Speaker 2: looks out the window and she sees this white object
Speaker 2: very similar to what they talk about when they say
Speaker 2: the tic tac. She's like, it's white, it had no
Speaker 2: wings on it, and it's just kind of humming along
Speaker 2: in the sky. So she runs outside, pulls out her
Speaker 2: cellphone and she's able to get a little maybe six
Speaker 2: second clip of it. But the thing that was interesting
Speaker 2: is you look at this and you can clearly see
Speaker 2: that there's no wings on it, and it's cruising along
Speaker 2: and then all of a sudden, it's almost at first
Speaker 2: it has to come into focus, but once it's in focus,
Speaker 2: it goes along and then all of a sudden it
Speaker 2: kind of flickers and then vanishes like and when I
Speaker 2: say it vanishes, like you're watching it. It's there, and
Speaker 2: then it flickers and it's gone, like you don't see
Speaker 2: it jet off in a direction, it just is gone.
Speaker 2: And so she saw that from her backyard. But then
Speaker 2: she told us that she's had like when she was
Speaker 2: in her so ten or twelve, her dad and mom
Speaker 2: and siblings were in a boat and there was another
Speaker 2: boat next to them that had a neighbor in it
Speaker 2: that they were fishing, and some craft just kind of
Speaker 2: came down and hovered over the water, like right in
Speaker 2: front of them. So they're all like looking at this
Speaker 2: craft like no idea what it is. It's just hovering
Speaker 2: over the water and then it zips off. Very short encounter.
Speaker 2: But because of these encounters, she started remembering like this
Speaker 2: recurring dream and a lot of people who have had
Speaker 2: either abductions or encounters like that will remember these dreams.
Speaker 2: From previously, and so she has this recurring dream and
Speaker 2: in the dream, it's when she was five years old,
Speaker 2: and she remembers waking up in this room and she
Speaker 2: describes this room as being very clinical, like steel, table
Speaker 2: like very like a white light over them, and she
Speaker 2: remembers that there were four individuals in the room standing
Speaker 2: around the table, and she sees the two that I believe,
Speaker 2: she said, around like her left side. She knows that
Speaker 2: there's two more on the right side, but she doesn't
Speaker 2: remember what they looked like, but she describes them that
Speaker 2: like one was male, one was female, and the female
Speaker 2: is trying to communicate with her telepathically, like she doesn't
Speaker 2: see her lips moving, but she can hear them talking,
Speaker 2: and she did not for some reason. She's like, I
Speaker 2: did not like the woman. I didn't like her, and
Speaker 2: she the woman was very mad about that, was angry
Speaker 2: that she didn't like her, but she felt okay about
Speaker 2: the guy. And so she described the two entities as
Speaker 2: looking very Nordic. They had blonde hair, blue eyes, very
Speaker 2: very she described it being an artist, she said, she
Speaker 2: described it as being they were very symmetrical, and she's like,
Speaker 2: when something is very symmetrical. It looks very esthetically pleasing.
Speaker 2: So she said they were very attractive, the woman and
Speaker 2: the man, and she's like, and they were very She's
Speaker 2: she described as being very symmetrical, and she actually gave
Speaker 2: us a drawing of what the two look like. But
Speaker 2: she remembered like specific things about Like she says she
Speaker 2: remembers being embarrassed because she wasn't wearing any clothes on
Speaker 2: the table, and she remembered, at five years old, she's like,
Speaker 2: this isn't right. I shouldn't be here without clothes on
Speaker 2: with these people. I don't know who these people are,
Speaker 2: And she remembers that she could overhear the conversation between
Speaker 2: the two entities that again, like, I said that the
Speaker 2: female entity was very angry that she didn't like her,
Speaker 2: but the guy was like, well, it's no big deal,
Speaker 2: she likes me sort of thing. And then that's pretty
Speaker 2: much where the dream ends. But you look at a
Speaker 2: situation like that and it's like, here we have somebody
Speaker 2: who's a training police constable who's now retired, and she
Speaker 2: has given us three incidents that has happened, one in
Speaker 2: which she literally gave us a video that happened as
Speaker 2: an adult while she's looking out her back window, one
Speaker 2: while she was in her adolescence, and one when she
Speaker 2: was And so to me, it's like a fascinating like
Speaker 2: kind of like how long has she been encountering these things?
Speaker 2: How long have they? Are they all related? All three
Speaker 2: of these visits of her. Could they all be the
Speaker 2: same individuals or same entities coming back to visit her
Speaker 2: three times? Are they separate? Why are they coming? Like?
Speaker 2: It opens up a ton of questions about it, But
Speaker 2: the one thing that we can't escape is here you
Speaker 2: have somebody who is trained to handle these emotional situations
Speaker 2: and not be upset and be a good witness, and
Speaker 2: she's giving us literal physical evidence of videos of stuff.
Speaker 1: Well that is that's a really amazing story. And you
Speaker 1: often hear about people thinking that they're having a dream,
Speaker 1: and I mean, that's one of the most common things
Speaker 1: you hear about when people are having the so called experiences. So,
Speaker 1: did she give you permission to share that clip?
Speaker 2: Not really yet, We're kind of still talking with her
Speaker 2: about it. And again our organization, we will only share
Speaker 2: what the person is willing to let us share. At
Speaker 2: that I understand, but that doesn't mean at some point
Speaker 2: down the road is she sees more of what we're
Speaker 2: doing and she becomes a little bit more comfortable with
Speaker 2: it that she might be willing to because we have
Speaker 2: had some people that have been like, oh no, I
Speaker 2: don't want anything, and then after a while they're like, yeah, okay,
Speaker 2: I'm okay if you use my name in the stage
Speaker 2: presentation or you use the video and like a stage
Speaker 2: presentation or something like that. So we have like different
Speaker 2: levels of what they'll let us do. Sure, and when
Speaker 2: they get more comfortable with us and get more and
Speaker 2: understand that, we are adamant that we are only going
Speaker 2: to go as far as they let us go. And
Speaker 2: that's how we gain our credibility. Because if ifoy said, hey,
Speaker 2: I don't want you doing that, then we do it anyways,
Speaker 2: then we're never going to get anybody to trust us.
Speaker 2: So we definitely let them dictate how far we can go.
Speaker 1: Sure, I understand in that. Thank you. So we have
Speaker 1: about fifteen minutes left now, Marianne, if you don't mind
Speaker 1: telling your story, and then we'd like to go back
Speaker 1: to you Dave, to tell us you know your your situation,
Speaker 1: what happened.
Speaker 3: To you you Unfortunately, I don't have a story.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, I thought no. I thought you said you
Speaker 1: had when I asked if there was a story.
Speaker 3: That someone Okay, I was gonna say that.
Speaker 1: That's what I meant. I didn't mean your own story.
Speaker 1: I meant I was.
Speaker 3: Gonna say, you know, it's kind of funny that Dave has.
Speaker 3: You know, that's why we started because of Dave. And
Speaker 3: I have never seen anything. I've never felt no. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but you know, but definitely I know people have had.
Speaker 3: Case happened on up in Indian Reservation. And we had
Speaker 3: an officer who was working night shift and as he
Speaker 3: was out in this one area, all of a sudden,
Speaker 3: he saw four different lights that were just flying in
Speaker 3: the sky and they were kind of following each other.
Speaker 3: They were kind of going away from each other, but
Speaker 3: they were just like they were playing tag with each other,
Speaker 3: says where he said it, And they were just all busy.
Speaker 3: All of a sudden, one of those lights shut down
Speaker 3: to ground level about maybe a half mile or so
Speaker 3: in front of him, and all of a sudden, this
Speaker 3: it was a blue light, bright blue light that came
Speaker 3: and totally lit up the area. Well, he got out
Speaker 3: of his patrol car, and he's like, you know, he
Speaker 3: was fumbling around. He didn't know what to do, and
Speaker 3: he's like he couldn't believe this was happening right in
Speaker 3: front of him. So he wasn't able to put on
Speaker 3: his body came right away, but he was smart enough
Speaker 3: to grab his phone and he started taking pictures of
Speaker 3: this thing that was on the ground, covering above the
Speaker 3: ground and making that blue light. As he was taking
Speaker 3: the pictures, you could see a fire hydrant, you could
Speaker 3: see a I think it was a telephone pole, and
Speaker 3: all that's illuminated from whatever this light was coming from.
Speaker 3: Now he looked up and three of those other little crafts,
Speaker 3: of those little lights that were flying around. They were
Speaker 3: kind of hovering in the area. They never came down,
Speaker 3: but they were just kind of hovering and just going
Speaker 3: flying around right in that area where that fourth one
Speaker 3: came down and hovered. I'd say, I think he said,
Speaker 3: maybe twenty seconds, thirty seconds or so. All of a sudden,
Speaker 3: that blue light went off and it shot back up
Speaker 3: into the sky. The four of them pretty much got
Speaker 3: together and that just shot off and the sky were gone.
Speaker 3: And he had no idea what in the world this was.
Speaker 3: And again he met with us, he gave us the
Speaker 3: photos that he took, but he was bewildered on he
Speaker 3: just saw.
Speaker 2: And there's a couple other things that are really interesting
Speaker 2: about the story. So, first of one, as he told
Speaker 2: us that it's a blue light, but in the picture
Speaker 2: it looks green on his cell phone. He's like, I
Speaker 2: don't know why, but it looks green on the cell phone.
Speaker 2: But it definitely was blue naturally when I saw it.
Speaker 2: But in one of the pictures, you can see the
Speaker 2: hood of his patrol car and you can actually see
Speaker 2: a reflection of the light in the hood of the
Speaker 2: patrol car. So a lot of people ask us, well,
Speaker 2: what do you think. Do you think you could be
Speaker 2: faking it? No, because there's so many details in this picture.
Speaker 2: You see a reflection in the hood of the patrol car.
Speaker 2: You see the light on the side of the telephone pole.
Speaker 2: There's a little shack out there that you can see
Speaker 2: the light bouncing off. But the other part that's kind
Speaker 2: of cool about this is after the four lights shoot
Speaker 2: off in the distance, he says he gets a call
Speaker 2: from another unit that is north the direction it went.
Speaker 2: He's like, Hey, did you see these lights that just
Speaker 2: shot out of your district and he's like, yeah, I
Speaker 2: actually got a picture of him. So we as first responders,
Speaker 2: as police officer, love that because now you're talking, not
Speaker 2: only do you have eight police officers that witness it,
Speaker 2: you have another police officer that can confirm that they
Speaker 2: saw something flying off that this guy has pictures of.
Speaker 2: So we always love that redundant witness. And when your
Speaker 2: redundant witness is another first responder, it makes it even
Speaker 2: better in my opinion.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, So I hate to put you on the spot,
Speaker 1: but like I say, I record live. But did he
Speaker 1: give you a permission to share those pictures?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: I think he said to be good, Yeah we could.
Speaker 2: We can send you.
Speaker 1: All right, so you can look up the listener can
Speaker 1: look into the show notes. We'll we'll pop those in there.
Speaker 1: Thank you. All right, So Dave, we got about ten
Speaker 1: minutes left, so let's yet to do the version of
Speaker 1: what happened to you?
Speaker 2: Okay. Things to keep in mind. Back in twenty seventeen,
Speaker 2: I was working as a school resource officer at one
Speaker 2: of the high schools here. So my career was interesting.
Speaker 2: I started in patrol, like everybody went to detective. I
Speaker 2: was a homicide detective, sex crimes detective, Narcotics and vice detective.
Speaker 2: I ended my career in SROs. I was assigned to
Speaker 2: this high school. It was April of twenty seventeen, and
Speaker 2: I remember because it was the day of prom. At
Speaker 2: this point in my life, I was I was pretty
Speaker 2: much you could call me a skeptic. I didn't believe
Speaker 2: in ghosts or UFOs or big for any of that stuff.
Speaker 2: I was sure there was a rational explanation for everything
Speaker 2: that we encountered. So it's a Saturday, the school is
Speaker 2: not open that evening. I had to go to prom.
Speaker 2: So I go to prom that evening. And when I
Speaker 2: get to prom, which wasn't at the schools at a
Speaker 2: different off site, the principal looks at me and goes, hey,
Speaker 2: did you hear about the nine one one call at
Speaker 2: the school today? And I'm looking at him and I'm like,
Speaker 2: why would there be a nine one one called the school.
Speaker 2: It's a Saturday, there's nobody there, and he kind of
Speaker 2: just laughs and says, you should probably call dispatch, and
Speaker 2: I was like, okay, So I called dispatch and I'm like, hey,
Speaker 2: was there a nine one one call it school today?
Speaker 2: Dispatcher starts laughing and says, hey, you need to talk
Speaker 2: to this officer. And I'm like, okay, I'm like, why
Speaker 2: won't anybody tell me what the heck happened? So I sent,
Speaker 2: actually send him a text message and was like, hey, dude,
Speaker 2: did you go to my school today? And his response was, dude,
Speaker 2: your school is bank haunted the F word. I'm cleaning
Speaker 2: it up for the story. And I'm like what, And
Speaker 2: so I call him. I'm like, what the heck are
Speaker 2: you talking about? And he proceeds to tell me this.
Speaker 2: And now keep in mind percent skeptic at this point
Speaker 2: in my life. At just before noon, they get a
Speaker 2: nine to one one call that comes in from the
Speaker 2: front desk of the school. Sounds like a woman and
Speaker 2: it sounds like it says I'm scared. So the dispatcher
Speaker 2: answers the phone that they do and they're like, nine
Speaker 2: one one, what is your emergency? And it sounds like
Speaker 2: a woman whispering that says. Dispatchers says, what was that
Speaker 2: and it says, She's like, you're scared, and then it
Speaker 2: says and then you hear the phone get dropped on
Speaker 2: the countertop. So because they have a voice at the school.
Speaker 2: They end up dispatching two officers to go check it.
Speaker 2: During the time that they're waiting for the officers to
Speaker 2: get there, there's what's called an open line because that
Speaker 2: phone is still connected to nine oh one and still recording.
Speaker 2: It's not just that a countertop. So while it's on
Speaker 2: the countertop, the dispatcher is like trying to get somebody
Speaker 2: to answer. So she said, hello, Hello, pick up the phone, Hello,
Speaker 2: are you there. Fourteen minutes goes by, and the two
Speaker 2: officers arrive at the school. So the school is obviously
Speaker 2: locked because it's not open, But we have this thing
Speaker 2: called a knoxbox, which a key that every patrol officer has,
Speaker 2: and then there's a little lock box on the side
Speaker 2: of the school that you can unlock it and it
Speaker 2: has a master key for the building. So they unlock it,
Speaker 2: they go inside. They walk into the front door of
Speaker 2: the school and there's the reception that's where the phone
Speaker 2: call came from. One of the officers goes over, picks
Speaker 2: up the phone, and it's still an open line, so
Speaker 2: he picks it up and has a conversation with a dispatcher. Hey,
Speaker 2: how's it going, This is who I am. We're here
Speaker 2: we're inside the school. This has to be the phone
Speaker 2: that it's coming that the phone call came from, because
Speaker 2: it's literally laying on the countertop and it's an open
Speaker 2: line to you guys. So we're gonna check. So he
Speaker 2: hangs up the phone and they do a search. Now,
Speaker 2: this building at the school was what was called the
Speaker 2: admin building. So the only things that we're in it
Speaker 2: was were the principal's office, the assistant principal's office, the
Speaker 2: counseling area, a bookstore in the nurse's office. So it's
Speaker 2: not a huge building, so they search it pretty quickly.
Speaker 2: They don't find anyone in there. The last place that
Speaker 2: they search is the nurse's office. Now, the nurse's office
Speaker 2: is off of the main hallway. You open the door,
Speaker 2: and you can't really tell by looking at the door,
Speaker 2: like which way the room goes. Is it go just
Speaker 2: to one direction? Both directions? How does it do? So
Speaker 2: whenever as a police officer, we come up to one
Speaker 2: of these doors where we don't know really what the
Speaker 2: makeup or the structure of the room is behind it,
Speaker 2: you'll try to kind of enter almost like right next
Speaker 2: to each other. So one will appeal to the right
Speaker 2: one will appeal to the left, so you kind of
Speaker 2: get in there as quick as you and kind of
Speaker 2: establish where everything is. So they unlock the door and
Speaker 2: they go in like that, kind of next each other,
Speaker 2: and as they start to separate, something that neither of
Speaker 2: them could see pushes past them, literally bumping their shoulders
Speaker 2: and knocking them aside. So they spin around and run
Speaker 2: out of the room looking and there's nothing there, and
Speaker 2: so they're like, holy God. So they leave. So now
Speaker 2: I'm listening to the story on the phone and I'm like, right, okay, sure,
Speaker 2: I don't think much of it. I'm just gonna let
Speaker 2: it go because I'm like, well, I don't believe in
Speaker 2: ghosts or anything like that. Fine, whatever. So I go
Speaker 2: to work on Monday after the rest of the weekend
Speaker 2: and my sergeant comes up to me and he's like, hey,
Speaker 2: that call at your school and I'm like yeah. He's like,
Speaker 2: you need to investigate it. And I'm like why do
Speaker 2: I need to investigate it? And he tells me because
Speaker 2: it's misuse of nine to one one And I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 2: but what are we gonna do. We don't have a suspect.
Speaker 2: And he's like, well, well, you still need to investigate.
Speaker 2: What I didn't know at the time was my sergeant
Speaker 2: there at the time was a huge paranormal freak. He
Speaker 2: loved the stuff. So really what he was doing is
Speaker 2: he knew that I didn't believe in this stuff, and
Speaker 2: he's like, I want this guy who is a homicide detective,
Speaker 2: sex chrit all the training and investigation. I'm going to
Speaker 2: make him investigate this because he doesn't believe that this
Speaker 2: stuff is real. So he comes back and says, hey,
Speaker 2: I don't know what it is. Hey, that's a great story,
Speaker 2: is what he's doing behind the scenes. So because I'm
Speaker 2: ordered investigator, I do this investigation. So I started digging
Speaker 2: and I tracked down every possible lead. I can we
Speaker 2: take the recording of the nine one one send it
Speaker 2: for analysis. I pulled the security footage from the front
Speaker 2: desk of the school. There's a camera that's right above
Speaker 2: the front door that when you look at it, the
Speaker 2: phone in question is almost dead center of the screen.
Speaker 2: It's not detailed enough because of the distance for you
Speaker 2: to see the phone itself, but it is way more
Speaker 2: than detailed enough to see that there is nobody around
Speaker 2: it when the phone call comes in. So they end up.
Speaker 2: You see, when I pull the video, you can see
Speaker 2: that at the time that that phone call comes in,
Speaker 2: there's nobody staying there. I took the video all the
Speaker 2: way back to six o'clock in the morning, watched it
Speaker 2: from six o'clock in the morning till after the phone
Speaker 2: call came in, which was just before noon, and only
Speaker 2: one person enters that building, and that's a security guard
Speaker 2: that enters way at the back, goes nowhere near the phone,
Speaker 2: and that's at like seven and she's back out like
Speaker 2: five minutes later. She just grabbing something from the supply closet.
Speaker 2: So at the time that that phone call comes in,
Speaker 2: nobody's there. And there's motion detector lights, so you can
Speaker 2: see like, yeah, I mean it's daylights. You can see
Speaker 2: that there's nobody in there anyways, but you can see
Speaker 2: when the lights pop on if somebody moves in around.
Speaker 2: At about ten o'clock in the morning, the lights just
Speaker 2: over the desk popped on, but there was nobody there,
Speaker 2: and so it's like that's kind of odd. And then
Speaker 2: when the two officers come in, the ones on the
Speaker 2: front of the desk pop on, and then he gets
Speaker 2: to the desk and the ones over the desk pop on,
Speaker 2: and when they do the search behind the desk, the
Speaker 2: lights pop on. So basically, long story short is, they
Speaker 2: do an entire search, they don't find anybody, and I
Speaker 2: watch on video of them doing it. I see the
Speaker 2: two of them go into the nurse's office. I see
Speaker 2: the two of them run right out of the nurse's office,
Speaker 2: but I don't see anything come out before him. We
Speaker 2: ended up doing and I'm going to speed it up
Speaker 2: because I know we're getting short because Marianne keeps hitting me.
Speaker 2: I tracked down everything we ended up pulling. We pulled
Speaker 2: the we had the phone people from the school come
Speaker 2: out and check the phone box to see if there
Speaker 2: was anybody that was tapped into the phone line. No.
Speaker 2: We ran down every possible lead, could not figure out
Speaker 2: where this phone call came from. Went into the nurse's
Speaker 2: office to talk to the nurse because she that's where
Speaker 2: this thing was that they ran into. She initially told
Speaker 2: me nothing happened, but it was weird the way that
Speaker 2: she told me. Eventually I ended up running into her
Speaker 2: after my third attempt to try and get her to talk.
Speaker 2: I knew something was nub. She ended up admitting that
Speaker 2: she had been haunted her entire life by a ghost
Speaker 2: that would follow her whenever she moved from house to house.
Speaker 2: Now that she was at the school, she believes that
Speaker 2: it was an entity from her house that came to
Speaker 2: the school because three weeks before this happened, everything at
Speaker 2: her house stopped. Now that I'm poking around now everything's
Speaker 2: happening at the school yet or at her house again.
Speaker 2: When I did a premise history of the school, we
Speaker 2: ended up finding out that we started receiving nine one
Speaker 2: one calls the same time that the ghosts or the
Speaker 2: entity left her house and showed up at the school.
Speaker 2: And I'm speeding things up because it's actually we're running
Speaker 2: shorter time here. But the long story short is, we
Speaker 2: had no idea what it was. But the important thing
Speaker 2: was we had the phone call analyzed, and when they
Speaker 2: did the analysis, the guy comes back. He's like, I
Speaker 2: don't know what you have here, but it's not a
Speaker 2: human voice. He's like, I can tell it to you,
Speaker 2: and I can tell if it's a computer generated voice.
Speaker 2: I don't know what this is. But he's like, more importantly,
Speaker 2: you know, it's not saying I'm scared, And I'm like well,
Speaker 2: what is it saying? And he says it actually says
Speaker 2: I scare. So when the dispatcher says you're scared, it
Speaker 2: says no and then slams the phone down. So the
Speaker 2: reason that UAPPD formed is after I do this whole investigation,
Speaker 2: I have audio evidence, I have video evidence, I can't
Speaker 2: come up with a possible explanation of what this is.
Speaker 2: I get called upstairs by a different supervisor who looks
Speaker 2: at me, has the video, has the audio, plays it
Speaker 2: all for me and says, you expect me to believe
Speaker 2: this and accused me of lying, accuse me of making
Speaker 2: it all up, trying to pull some sort of prank
Speaker 2: on everybody, and basically, in as many words, said you're
Speaker 2: not going to talk about this, you're not going to
Speaker 2: write up a report, you're not even going to approach
Speaker 2: the subject again, or you know what will happen, basically
Speaker 2: indicating that I'll be fired. So that's basically what happened
Speaker 2: to me, and that's why we ended up creating UAPPD.
Speaker 1: Wow, I can't believe you you finished on time. That's yeah,
Speaker 1: I know the quick version, but yeah, I remember that
Speaker 1: story is just amazing. So but I want to thank
Speaker 1: you both so much. Where can someone find you, know,
Speaker 1: get a hold of you, Like, where can a police
Speaker 1: officer if someone is watching right now, how can they
Speaker 1: reach out to you?
Speaker 3: Well, they can contact us. Please go to our website
Speaker 3: at uapdashpd dot com and at the score at the
Speaker 3: bottom and it has contact us. Please it'll come to
Speaker 3: our email and we'll contact you right away. Also, get
Speaker 3: on our Facebook page UAP dash pd and just come
Speaker 3: on there, send us a message and I'll get back
Speaker 3: with you right away.
Speaker 1: Excellent. Thank you both so much. It was really as usual.
Speaker 1: It was absolutely great and I really appreciate it, all right, everyone,
Speaker 1: so thank you. So we'll be back Thursday night with
Speaker 1: the year in review with a few other people. Thanks
Speaker 1: so much, and remember to keep your eyes to the sky.