WEBVTT 1 00:00:14.279 --> 00:00:16.800 Hello, and welcome to the show of Martin Willis your host. 2 00:00:17.079 --> 00:00:19.760 We have a couple of great guests coming up tonight. 3 00:00:20.000 --> 00:00:23.359 We have a Dave Rich and mary Anne Rob. I 4 00:00:23.480 --> 00:00:26.719 have met them several times at Marianne that's actually a 5 00:00:26.760 --> 00:00:33.399 longtime friend and retired police officers that had had a 6 00:00:33.479 --> 00:00:36.840 real interest in this topic of UFOs and have done 7 00:00:36.880 --> 00:00:40.560 a lot of exploration. And Dave has actually had a 8 00:00:41.119 --> 00:00:43.840 incident happen. We can touch on that I did last 9 00:00:43.840 --> 00:00:46.159 time they were on, But anyway, I'm really excited to 10 00:00:46.159 --> 00:00:48.679 have them on. Just a couple of things this coming 11 00:00:49.280 --> 00:00:52.320 Thursday at a PM. I was hoping to have James Fox, 12 00:00:52.359 --> 00:00:55.159 but it looks like he got pushed into the following week. 13 00:00:55.799 --> 00:00:58.719 So I decided to do something I used to do 14 00:00:58.880 --> 00:01:02.520 back with Lee Spiegel and other friends years ago, and 15 00:01:02.640 --> 00:01:06.079 that is a year in review. So that's what we're 16 00:01:06.079 --> 00:01:08.319 going to do on Thursday night starting at eight pm. 17 00:01:08.480 --> 00:01:11.359 So far, I have Jack UFO. Jack is going to 18 00:01:11.400 --> 00:01:13.480 be joining me as he did for the Age of 19 00:01:13.519 --> 00:01:17.000 Disclosure Review. He's going to be on and a couple 20 00:01:17.000 --> 00:01:19.239 of other people, so it should be a lot of fun. 21 00:01:19.319 --> 00:01:22.040 So look for that this coming Thursday at eight pm. 22 00:01:22.719 --> 00:01:25.359 This is a pre recorded show, and like I always say, 23 00:01:26.480 --> 00:01:29.200 I'm too lazy to edit, So all my shows are 24 00:01:29.239 --> 00:01:32.640 just like live shows, whether I am doing them live 25 00:01:32.760 --> 00:01:34.840 or not. And I should be in the chat. I 26 00:01:34.920 --> 00:01:37.319 am traveling Tuesday. That's why I'm doing it this way, 27 00:01:37.719 --> 00:01:40.239 so hopefully I will be in the chat and see 28 00:01:40.280 --> 00:01:43.439 you there. And without further ado, I'm bringing in my 29 00:01:43.519 --> 00:01:46.840 two guests, and I just want to say one other thing. 30 00:01:47.159 --> 00:01:49.439 So as you notice a lot of people here, notice 31 00:01:49.480 --> 00:01:52.400 there are two different streams. One is for the phone, 32 00:01:52.439 --> 00:01:55.480 which has really actually taken off for your smartphone or 33 00:01:55.480 --> 00:01:58.400 tablet or whatever the way it's formatted. So when there 34 00:01:58.400 --> 00:02:01.079 are two guests in the same it's a little tricky. 35 00:02:01.120 --> 00:02:03.879 I have to do it a certain way, but anyway, 36 00:02:03.879 --> 00:02:06.640 hopefully that'll work out this time. And you can always 37 00:02:06.640 --> 00:02:12.520 tell which is the landscape regular stream on YouTube or 38 00:02:12.680 --> 00:02:14.759 what is the phone, because they're gonna have little phone 39 00:02:15.000 --> 00:02:18.360 icons next to the one that is for your smartphone. 40 00:02:18.560 --> 00:02:21.159 So I do appreciate all of the people that watch 41 00:02:21.479 --> 00:02:24.479 this show, also all the listeners. We're coming up on 42 00:02:24.520 --> 00:02:27.800 the holiday, so I wish you all happy holidays, and 43 00:02:28.039 --> 00:02:31.159 we're going to be giving away on Thursday, a couple 44 00:02:31.159 --> 00:02:34.039 of T shirts and hats things like that to people 45 00:02:34.039 --> 00:02:38.759 that participate live. So anyway, I'm looking forward to this show. 46 00:02:39.039 --> 00:02:43.560 And oh one more thing, so the blog. I do 47 00:02:43.680 --> 00:02:45.599 not have the title of the blog this week yet, 48 00:02:45.919 --> 00:02:48.159 but it will be a new blog. You'll check out 49 00:02:48.599 --> 00:02:51.800 check it out over at podcastsufo dot com. Those turn 50 00:02:51.840 --> 00:02:55.879 into audio blogs are in our audio podcast feed. If 51 00:02:55.919 --> 00:02:58.479 you are looking for an AD free experience, for only 52 00:02:58.520 --> 00:03:01.319 two dollars a month, figure that less than a cup 53 00:03:01.319 --> 00:03:04.280 of coffee, you can have an AD free experience and 54 00:03:04.360 --> 00:03:07.000 you can get to Patreon and use the feed that 55 00:03:07.080 --> 00:03:09.719 way if you are listening to the audio podcast. So, 56 00:03:09.879 --> 00:03:14.199 without further Ado, welcome you too. Hey, as it goes, 57 00:03:14.639 --> 00:03:17.159 it's good good, and so we have to squish together 58 00:03:18.439 --> 00:03:24.759 to make this work. So it's been a pleasure meeting 59 00:03:24.800 --> 00:03:27.719 you both. And of course Marian you we've been friends 60 00:03:27.759 --> 00:03:30.840 for a long time and it's been really fun. It's 61 00:03:30.840 --> 00:03:34.479 always great to get together. And anyway, I just have 62 00:03:34.560 --> 00:03:38.680 to say, you know, I mean, we'll just start right out, 63 00:03:39.199 --> 00:03:44.240 because I have had this conversation with people before, like, 64 00:03:44.800 --> 00:03:48.560 for instance, I always bring them up Seth Shastak of SETI. 65 00:03:49.360 --> 00:03:53.319 I said, well, don't you consider like police officers and 66 00:03:53.439 --> 00:03:58.080 military and pilots, you know, better witnesses. And he said, no, 67 00:03:58.280 --> 00:04:02.439 they're no more better than anyone else. That's exactly what 68 00:04:02.520 --> 00:04:04.879 he said. And I want you to kind of argue 69 00:04:04.919 --> 00:04:07.800 that point. Why are you, as a police officer a 70 00:04:07.840 --> 00:04:08.560 better observer? 71 00:04:09.800 --> 00:04:11.840 I would say that the reason why a police officer 72 00:04:11.960 --> 00:04:13.960 or any first responder is a better observer is because 73 00:04:13.960 --> 00:04:17.079 of the training that we receive in becoming a police officer. 74 00:04:17.160 --> 00:04:22.560 They do a rather extensive psychological profile of you, looking 75 00:04:22.639 --> 00:04:26.360 specifically for certain characteristics. And those characteristics that they really 76 00:04:26.399 --> 00:04:29.160 are looking for are your ability to handle a high 77 00:04:29.199 --> 00:04:32.959 stress situation and still remember your training or remember to 78 00:04:33.120 --> 00:04:35.959 not kind of fly off the handle and kind of 79 00:04:36.079 --> 00:04:38.839 rain everything in. Do you want to kind of control 80 00:04:38.920 --> 00:04:43.720 that situation. So when you see something, whether it's a 81 00:04:44.000 --> 00:04:47.879 robbery or a burglary, or a stolen vehicle, or a 82 00:04:47.959 --> 00:04:50.000 light in the sky or a paranormal experience at a 83 00:04:50.040 --> 00:04:53.480 house or something in the woods, both of those situations, 84 00:04:53.519 --> 00:04:56.079 as a first responder, we're trained to go into those situations, 85 00:04:56.439 --> 00:04:59.519 see something that is unexpected and then be able to 86 00:05:00.079 --> 00:05:04.560 kind of gather that information and then impartial be the 87 00:05:04.560 --> 00:05:06.720 best witness. They always say, be the best witness that 88 00:05:06.759 --> 00:05:10.120 you can be situation, But we already have the advantage 89 00:05:10.279 --> 00:05:14.959 of being basically grilled through the academy, through our training 90 00:05:14.959 --> 00:05:18.879 classes to be thrown into these scenarios. They always do 91 00:05:19.000 --> 00:05:22.639 this scenario based training, and so you're constantly getting thrown 92 00:05:22.639 --> 00:05:25.000 into these scenarios where you really don't know what's going 93 00:05:25.040 --> 00:05:26.680 to happen, and you like walk into a room and 94 00:05:26.680 --> 00:05:30.240 then stuff happens, and it's designed to put you in 95 00:05:30.319 --> 00:05:34.879 that scenario of Ooh, I wasn't expecting that. But I'm 96 00:05:34.920 --> 00:05:38.199 still able to process this information, gathering this information because 97 00:05:38.199 --> 00:05:41.079 at the end of each scenario, you're then put in 98 00:05:41.120 --> 00:05:42.879 a room and be like, Okay, so tell us what happened, 99 00:05:42.879 --> 00:05:45.519 what did you see? What did you not see? So 100 00:05:46.639 --> 00:05:50.199 and I guess against what Seth was saying, I would 101 00:05:50.199 --> 00:05:52.879 say anybody who has had that level of training is 102 00:05:52.920 --> 00:05:56.439 going to just inherently be a more reliable witness, and 103 00:05:56.639 --> 00:05:58.199 a witness is going to be able to control their 104 00:05:58.199 --> 00:06:00.759 emotions a little bit better in those scenario. So I 105 00:06:00.759 --> 00:06:01.800 would argue that. 106 00:06:03.519 --> 00:06:05.199 Mary An, you ever youthink to add to that. 107 00:06:07.040 --> 00:06:09.560 Not really, I mean, he just hit the nail on 108 00:06:09.600 --> 00:06:14.000 the head. One thing is we go to a scene. 109 00:06:14.040 --> 00:06:17.519 I've gone to accident scene, say, and I talked to 110 00:06:17.959 --> 00:06:23.800 five different witnesses. Most of them again are just upset. 111 00:06:24.040 --> 00:06:27.399 They are just rattled what they saw. And then you 112 00:06:27.480 --> 00:06:30.720 ask them, Okay, what did you see? They might say 113 00:06:31.600 --> 00:06:35.040 it was a blue car and a red car, and 114 00:06:35.160 --> 00:06:38.199 this is what happened. This is what happened. Yet it 115 00:06:38.480 --> 00:06:42.360 was say, a green car and a yellow car or 116 00:06:42.360 --> 00:06:46.000 something like that. They're not going to be good witnesses. 117 00:06:46.000 --> 00:06:49.439 They're not really paying attention like a police officers trained 118 00:06:49.560 --> 00:06:53.639 to really pay attention to whatever situation is that they 119 00:06:53.680 --> 00:06:55.680 come upon. Well. 120 00:06:55.720 --> 00:06:58.439 And like a great example that we would give during 121 00:06:58.959 --> 00:07:02.439 some of our talks, like which officer do you want 122 00:07:02.519 --> 00:07:04.319 showing up at the scene when you have a car 123 00:07:04.360 --> 00:07:06.839 accident you're bleeding out. Do you want the guy that 124 00:07:06.920 --> 00:07:10.759 shows up and goes, Okay, you're gonna be fine, everything's good, 125 00:07:10.800 --> 00:07:12.959 don't worry, we have help coming. I'm gonna put pressure 126 00:07:12.959 --> 00:07:14.560 on the wound. We're gonna be good. We're gonna walk 127 00:07:14.600 --> 00:07:16.800 through this together. Or do you want the guy that 128 00:07:16.839 --> 00:07:19.319 comes up and goes, WHOA, that's a lot of blood, man, 129 00:07:19.439 --> 00:07:22.680 What is going on? That's supposed to be attached. You don't. 130 00:07:22.959 --> 00:07:28.360 Oh god, you're done, dude, what do you want showing up? 131 00:07:28.439 --> 00:07:31.319 And as an officer, whether you're a firefighter or police officer, 132 00:07:31.639 --> 00:07:35.519 any first responder, you're not gonna get it. The second guy, 133 00:07:35.560 --> 00:07:38.040 he's not showing up. And that is all based off 134 00:07:38.040 --> 00:07:41.319 of the training of you're going into a situation that 135 00:07:41.360 --> 00:07:44.160 you don't know and may not have a lot of 136 00:07:44.160 --> 00:07:47.040 control over, but you sare better look like you have 137 00:07:47.199 --> 00:07:49.839 control because that's how you're going to save these lives 138 00:07:49.839 --> 00:07:51.399 and how you're gonna win the day at the end. 139 00:07:52.399 --> 00:07:56.000 And there are so many, so so many cases where 140 00:07:56.160 --> 00:07:59.680 police officers were involved as witnesses. I mean you can 141 00:07:59.759 --> 00:08:03.879 just historically and you know, I think I do believe 142 00:08:03.920 --> 00:08:06.720 maybe it has been a blog of Charles Lear, but 143 00:08:06.959 --> 00:08:09.959 if not, I'll remind him it would make a great 144 00:08:10.439 --> 00:08:13.839 blog to do. Just oh yes he did, actually I 145 00:08:13.839 --> 00:08:18.680 think no, no, that was about police officers becoming ufologists, 146 00:08:18.720 --> 00:08:21.839 that's what he did. But anyway, I think it would 147 00:08:21.879 --> 00:08:24.399 be a great, you know, story to write because there's 148 00:08:24.480 --> 00:08:26.800 so many. I mean, I could just think of a 149 00:08:26.839 --> 00:08:28.720 whole bunch of them right off the top of my head. 150 00:08:28.720 --> 00:08:31.519 And one of the ones I always thought was really 151 00:08:31.600 --> 00:08:34.440 amazing was the one who my good friend Lee Spiegel 152 00:08:34.519 --> 00:08:39.080 I just mentioned down in North Carolina is in Lamberton. 153 00:08:39.720 --> 00:08:43.600 That is such a great case. And do you know 154 00:08:43.679 --> 00:08:46.559 about that case? I mean, when I bring up a 155 00:08:46.600 --> 00:08:48.679 case like that, it probably should talk about it. I know. 156 00:08:48.960 --> 00:08:50.480 Let me just tell you what I know and then 157 00:08:50.519 --> 00:08:54.240 you can add to it. So Lee got a call 158 00:08:54.360 --> 00:08:57.960 from Jay Allen Heinek and he said, hey, you know, 159 00:08:58.080 --> 00:09:01.879 would you like to go investigate a UFO down in 160 00:09:02.039 --> 00:09:07.759 North Carolina? And Li said, well, yeah, what's the details. Well, 161 00:09:07.759 --> 00:09:12.159 this triangle UFO, it keeps showing up in Lumberton, I 162 00:09:12.159 --> 00:09:15.559 think that's the name of it, and you know it's 163 00:09:15.559 --> 00:09:19.120 being witnessed by police officers and everything else. And he says, 164 00:09:19.159 --> 00:09:22.600 so you want me to go and investigate a flying dorrito? 165 00:09:22.879 --> 00:09:26.519 That's what Lee said. His exact words were. So he 166 00:09:26.679 --> 00:09:30.360 shows up and sure enough, this thing just they're all 167 00:09:30.399 --> 00:09:33.080 standing together, this thing just shows right up, a triangle 168 00:09:33.200 --> 00:09:36.240 UFO and it glides right over them and sends down 169 00:09:36.240 --> 00:09:39.240 a beam of light between him and all these police officers. 170 00:09:39.679 --> 00:09:41.399 I mean, it doesn't get better than that. And I 171 00:09:41.440 --> 00:09:44.360 do believe there was another officer that was on the 172 00:09:44.440 --> 00:09:47.519 road somewhere and actually pulled over with his flashlight and 173 00:09:47.559 --> 00:09:49.159 shined it up at it. I don't know if you know. 174 00:09:49.720 --> 00:09:51.480 Do you know any more details than that? 175 00:09:52.039 --> 00:09:55.679 Oh, yeah, that's one of the stories. It takes I'm 176 00:09:55.679 --> 00:09:58.159 not kidding. It probably takes about fifteen minutes to tell 177 00:09:58.200 --> 00:10:02.200 the story. Yeah, there's about thirty officers, I want to say, 178 00:10:03.600 --> 00:10:11.000 several counties, yeah, eleven different agencies. That it started in 179 00:10:11.120 --> 00:10:15.159 Lumberton that one night, and I don't have the actual 180 00:10:15.919 --> 00:10:19.759 date right now, but it started in Lumberton. Three officers 181 00:10:19.840 --> 00:10:25.639 watch a thing go above a water tower and it 182 00:10:25.679 --> 00:10:28.639 took off from there, and they tried to contact it, 183 00:10:28.720 --> 00:10:30.799 you know, and just kind of drive up. It took 184 00:10:30.840 --> 00:10:34.240 off to the next town. One of the officers radio 185 00:10:34.320 --> 00:10:36.440 to that next town to talk to the officer. Hey, 186 00:10:36.519 --> 00:10:39.480 get out there, there is this craft coming over your way. 187 00:10:40.120 --> 00:10:43.200 There is no sound, you know, it has its lights. 188 00:10:43.279 --> 00:10:46.639 There is absolutely no sound to this thing, and it's huge. 189 00:10:47.240 --> 00:10:52.919 So again that officer went and he chased it to 190 00:10:53.039 --> 00:10:56.120 another town and it just kept going from town to 191 00:10:56.159 --> 00:10:59.480 town to town. Now what's interesting is that it would 192 00:10:59.480 --> 00:11:05.360 disappear just as daylight was coming up, So say six 193 00:11:05.440 --> 00:11:07.360 o'clock in the morning or five o'clock in the morning. 194 00:11:07.600 --> 00:11:11.320 It would disappear as soon as about ten o'clock at night. 195 00:11:11.759 --> 00:11:16.519 The next night, boom, it reappears and reappears in Lumberton again, 196 00:11:17.000 --> 00:11:20.879 and that chases on. What's really cool is this dispatcher 197 00:11:20.960 --> 00:11:27.200 that started this whole thing was what he was the 198 00:11:27.200 --> 00:11:30.679 first one to get like ten or twenty phone calls 199 00:11:30.840 --> 00:11:34.600 from citizens about this craft coming over. Well, he was 200 00:11:35.399 --> 00:11:38.639 so on the ball that he's the one that called 201 00:11:38.799 --> 00:11:41.519 the center of the UFO studies, which is doctor j 202 00:11:41.639 --> 00:11:46.519 Ellen Heinek screw. He's the one that started that. And 203 00:11:46.559 --> 00:11:51.360 then as all of these this craft was going over, 204 00:11:52.399 --> 00:11:56.320 he was listening being in a I was a police 205 00:11:56.360 --> 00:11:58.600 officer in a small town for a few years up 206 00:11:58.639 --> 00:12:01.159 here in Arizona, and one of the things that we 207 00:12:01.240 --> 00:12:04.919 had is we had scannered that we were able to 208 00:12:04.960 --> 00:12:10.200 hear the Sheriff's office, the highway Patrol, other agencies, and 209 00:12:10.240 --> 00:12:15.720 we all contacted each other through this inner agency radio, 210 00:12:16.120 --> 00:12:19.080 you know, the scanner. And that's what was happening, is 211 00:12:19.120 --> 00:12:22.039 that the dispatch was listening to all this stuff that 212 00:12:22.159 --> 00:12:30.159 was going on. Then let's see, it's one officer would 213 00:12:30.200 --> 00:12:33.120 catch it. You're talking about the officer that put the 214 00:12:33.159 --> 00:12:36.039 light on two times. One it was a chief of 215 00:12:36.080 --> 00:12:39.879 police at this one agency, White River, white Horse. It 216 00:12:40.039 --> 00:12:46.120 was a city or a town, and he took a 217 00:12:46.960 --> 00:12:49.960 light that's like a one of those airplane landing lights 218 00:12:49.960 --> 00:12:52.679 that he had in his trunk and he set it up. 219 00:12:53.480 --> 00:12:56.960 And that's what he did is he blinked his light 220 00:12:57.320 --> 00:13:00.000 at this craft and the craft was blinking the light back. 221 00:12:59.799 --> 00:13:01.960 In it him. 222 00:13:02.440 --> 00:13:05.399 That dispatcher that was hearing all this a couple of 223 00:13:05.480 --> 00:13:08.279 days later, it was his day off. So what did 224 00:13:08.320 --> 00:13:10.639 he do. He wanted to go get into the action. 225 00:13:11.440 --> 00:13:13.480 And you know what, you got to be careful what 226 00:13:13.519 --> 00:13:17.600 you wish for, because that's exactly what happened. He saw 227 00:13:17.679 --> 00:13:20.919 the craft. He actually again got out of his car. 228 00:13:21.120 --> 00:13:25.399 The craft was, you know, just suspended right next to him, 229 00:13:26.039 --> 00:13:29.279 and he went in put his lights, flashed his head 230 00:13:29.360 --> 00:13:32.840 lights at it. It flashed back at him, well neither, 231 00:13:32.960 --> 00:13:37.039 and then it took off. And what the officer did 232 00:13:37.240 --> 00:13:40.120 was or what the dispatcher he tried to follow, but 233 00:13:40.480 --> 00:13:43.679 this thing just took off. Now what's interesting about this 234 00:13:43.759 --> 00:13:47.000 case is, like I said, it was seven counties that 235 00:13:47.120 --> 00:13:50.759 reported this. There were times that this craft started going 236 00:13:50.799 --> 00:13:54.879 toward South Carolina, but it didn't. It didn't reach the border. 237 00:13:55.480 --> 00:13:58.519 This thing could have went anywhere, but for four nights 238 00:13:58.879 --> 00:14:03.639 it stayed in the Seven Counties. The first time it 239 00:14:03.679 --> 00:14:06.559 was seen by a water tower. The last time, I 240 00:14:06.600 --> 00:14:10.480 believe it was seen near a water tower. So what 241 00:14:10.559 --> 00:14:12.759 are they getting Are they getting their energy? Are they 242 00:14:12.799 --> 00:14:18.559 getting water from this water tower to you know, to 243 00:14:18.639 --> 00:14:23.679 make the craft go? Is at their fuel? My analogy 244 00:14:23.759 --> 00:14:25.440 on all this, which I thought was kind of funny, 245 00:14:25.519 --> 00:14:31.480 is this craft one night went like one one city, 246 00:14:31.679 --> 00:14:33.240 then came back to the other. They came back to 247 00:14:33.279 --> 00:14:35.679 the other and people were just chasing it. It reminds 248 00:14:35.720 --> 00:14:39.279 me of a Friday night with a bunch of teenagers 249 00:14:39.399 --> 00:14:42.799 in mom and Dad's car that were, you know, playing 250 00:14:42.840 --> 00:14:45.879 with the police department and just running back and forth, 251 00:14:47.279 --> 00:14:49.960 and they were just they were just chasing this craft. 252 00:14:50.840 --> 00:14:54.159 But the end of the the end of this four 253 00:14:54.240 --> 00:15:00.600 day adventure, there was an off duty police officer that 254 00:15:00.759 --> 00:15:02.600 was going to church. It was a Sunday morning and 255 00:15:02.639 --> 00:15:04.480 he was going to church with his family and he 256 00:15:04.559 --> 00:15:07.639 saw this craft which looks like it landed in a field. 257 00:15:08.480 --> 00:15:12.519 So they got agencies to come I want to say 258 00:15:12.519 --> 00:15:15.000 it was just either in lumber Ten or just outside 259 00:15:15.039 --> 00:15:25.039 of lumber Ten, and they actually found these burnt circular spots. 260 00:15:25.480 --> 00:15:28.080 Was a triangle. I apologize I don't have the story 261 00:15:28.120 --> 00:15:29.639 front of me, but I believe in the triangle that 262 00:15:29.679 --> 00:15:35.519 they found in a field behind this barn, and the 263 00:15:35.559 --> 00:15:38.039 owners of the ranch came back or the farm and 264 00:15:38.120 --> 00:15:42.840 said they weren't there when we left earlier. So whatever, 265 00:15:42.879 --> 00:15:45.399 it was landed for a short time. But then but 266 00:15:45.480 --> 00:15:50.080 after the four days, I don't believe that that was 267 00:15:50.159 --> 00:15:54.919 ever seen again. And it was great. I you know, 268 00:15:55.399 --> 00:15:58.399 I got the the Project blue Book, or at least 269 00:15:58.399 --> 00:16:04.399 the the the information not from the Center of UFO Studies. 270 00:16:04.399 --> 00:16:06.320 I don't think it was Project blue Book, but I 271 00:16:06.440 --> 00:16:12.120 got all of the files that Lease Fegel had in 272 00:16:12.159 --> 00:16:15.840 all these police agencies. It is just one of the 273 00:16:15.840 --> 00:16:21.840 coolest stories that we've told as a historical case. 274 00:16:22.759 --> 00:16:25.279 I love it. And I never knew about the landing. 275 00:16:25.399 --> 00:16:28.000 I never heard that before. And you know, I have 276 00:16:28.039 --> 00:16:31.799 to say, ever since I started this show, it's been 277 00:16:31.879 --> 00:16:35.159 one of the biggest puzzles that I always ask opinions of, 278 00:16:35.639 --> 00:16:40.080 is why do these sightings happen in the very same 279 00:16:40.200 --> 00:16:43.039 place and what you said, the thing could go anywhere 280 00:16:43.039 --> 00:16:47.039 it wants to. But for a continued time, this seems 281 00:16:47.080 --> 00:16:50.440 to happen a lot. And recently I brought up Chase 282 00:16:50.519 --> 00:16:54.879 Klutsky's you know, siting in Tennessee where the big triangle 283 00:16:54.960 --> 00:16:58.440 was going over you know, this celebrity can't say who 284 00:16:58.440 --> 00:17:03.279 it is, but over his you know, cornfields over and 285 00:17:03.320 --> 00:17:05.839 over again. Sure enough it showed up right in front 286 00:17:05.839 --> 00:17:09.319 of her and she went there to completely disprove it. 287 00:17:09.880 --> 00:17:14.480 And yeah, so it just it's such a puzzle. Then, 288 00:17:14.839 --> 00:17:17.599 you know, why on earth are they contained to a 289 00:17:17.640 --> 00:17:21.400 certain area over and over again, sometimes just for days, 290 00:17:21.400 --> 00:17:24.039 and then they're gone. You never see them again. It's 291 00:17:24.119 --> 00:17:27.240 it's it's just as much of a mystery as the 292 00:17:27.240 --> 00:17:27.759 rest of it. 293 00:17:28.599 --> 00:17:32.680 Oh, no doubt. I just yeah, it would be great 294 00:17:32.720 --> 00:17:35.519 to you know, capture. 295 00:17:35.160 --> 00:17:38.880 One uh one of the as the some questions perhaps. 296 00:17:38.640 --> 00:17:41.039 Or whatever, and terrogate these guys. 297 00:17:40.759 --> 00:17:44.920 And yeah, that's right under the light. Yeah so yeah. 298 00:17:44.960 --> 00:17:47.799 And another thing is the interaction with the flashlights that 299 00:17:47.920 --> 00:17:54.359 happened the algash incident, that happened with Father Gill incident 300 00:17:54.440 --> 00:17:59.640 in Papa now gandhi uh one am I trying to say. 301 00:18:00.000 --> 00:18:02.400 I'm trying to remember where he was located. The Father 302 00:18:02.440 --> 00:18:05.039 Gil case. That's a great case where the flashlight he 303 00:18:05.119 --> 00:18:07.599 called it a torch and the thing was reacting to 304 00:18:07.680 --> 00:18:11.079 the torch. That also happened at a case where someone 305 00:18:11.079 --> 00:18:12.920 pulled over on the side of the road and I'm 306 00:18:12.920 --> 00:18:15.119 trying to remember. I think it might have been Australia, 307 00:18:15.160 --> 00:18:17.640 but I'm not sure where. They flashed up at a 308 00:18:17.799 --> 00:18:21.480 UFO and it blinked, you know, back at them the interactions. 309 00:18:21.680 --> 00:18:26.799 Yeah, flashlights, Yeah, Clarendon Nova Scotia. It was a Royal 310 00:18:26.839 --> 00:18:29.480 Canadian Mounted Police officer. Jim Blackwood. 311 00:18:30.559 --> 00:18:33.079 Oh, yes, that's right, I know all about that. Yes, 312 00:18:34.039 --> 00:18:37.680 he's now the he's now the raccoon Whisperer. If you 313 00:18:37.720 --> 00:18:40.319 look them up on YouTube. He lives in a cabin 314 00:18:40.720 --> 00:18:42.799 and he has all these raccoons come to him every night. 315 00:18:42.880 --> 00:18:43.880 Check it out on YouTube. 316 00:18:45.440 --> 00:18:50.680 But yeah, he talks about shining the flashlight at was 317 00:18:50.680 --> 00:18:54.119 hovering over the water and then that's right, which takes off. 318 00:18:54.880 --> 00:18:58.160 But talking about that and being a raccoon whisper now 319 00:18:59.200 --> 00:19:02.720 because of that's an incident that he had and that 320 00:19:02.799 --> 00:19:07.839 the department basically forced him to talk to the press 321 00:19:08.160 --> 00:19:12.400 that just totally ruined him, ruined his career and probably 322 00:19:12.400 --> 00:19:14.720 psychologically just totally screwed him up. 323 00:19:15.160 --> 00:19:18.119 Yeah, we can't. We can't leave that without talking about 324 00:19:18.160 --> 00:19:21.559 Lonnie's a moura very similar thing. He would have never 325 00:19:22.079 --> 00:19:24.279 if he could have gone back. He probably wishes he 326 00:19:24.359 --> 00:19:26.839 never you know, he's no longer with us, but he 327 00:19:26.880 --> 00:19:29.759 probably wished he never said anything. He actually said that. 328 00:19:30.480 --> 00:19:33.880 No, yes, Blackwood said it as well. He literally was 329 00:19:34.039 --> 00:19:36.920 quoted as saying it was the worst mistake I ever did, 330 00:19:37.519 --> 00:19:38.440 was talking about it. 331 00:19:39.279 --> 00:19:42.559 But I think more was very important. I mean, think 332 00:19:42.599 --> 00:19:45.599 of you know, that's when Jay Allen Heinech took his 333 00:19:45.680 --> 00:19:50.319 turning point between the skepticism to realizing there was really 334 00:19:50.319 --> 00:19:52.839 something to this with such a credible witness. 335 00:19:53.599 --> 00:19:53.799 Yeah. 336 00:19:53.839 --> 00:19:57.079 So yeah, another one. So if you're new to the 337 00:19:57.079 --> 00:20:00.680 whole UFO thing, if you check out the Sikora incident, 338 00:20:01.240 --> 00:20:07.119 s O c r O incident, you will see all 339 00:20:07.160 --> 00:20:10.839 that information. Hopefully I spelled it right, But anyway, we 340 00:20:10.880 --> 00:20:12.960 can put some of these things in the show notes, 341 00:20:13.000 --> 00:20:15.599 so people can you know, click on a link and 342 00:20:15.920 --> 00:20:19.279 actually see these different things. But yeah, I mean I 343 00:20:19.720 --> 00:20:23.680 love police officer cases and I know you have done 344 00:20:24.240 --> 00:20:27.799 so many investigations on this, and you looked into it historically. 345 00:20:28.400 --> 00:20:30.599 So either one of you want to comment on what 346 00:20:30.599 --> 00:20:33.759 do you think some of the better unknown ones are. 347 00:20:35.759 --> 00:20:39.079 Well, well, yeah, if we're talking historical minds, Val. 348 00:20:38.960 --> 00:20:44.160 Johnson, Yes, the cruiser still exists, right, I mean the 349 00:20:44.200 --> 00:20:45.200 cruiser is somewhere. 350 00:20:45.680 --> 00:20:51.079 You know. It's interesting that was it. There was somebody 351 00:20:51.200 --> 00:20:54.279 that I just oh, I don't want to say his names. 352 00:20:54.319 --> 00:20:56.039 I don't know if he would mind that or not, 353 00:20:56.119 --> 00:20:59.839 but he knows. Val Johnson now still around. I would 354 00:20:59.839 --> 00:21:03.039 love to meet them. And that car is still at 355 00:21:03.039 --> 00:21:07.880 the museum there in Minnesota, his car that this incident happened. 356 00:21:08.359 --> 00:21:09.640 This is a fascinating story. 357 00:21:09.759 --> 00:21:12.519 Yeah, I don't know if you want to kind of 358 00:21:12.559 --> 00:21:13.680 go into it a little. 359 00:21:13.440 --> 00:21:17.559 Bit, Yeah, yeah, why don't we. Here's the here's pulling 360 00:21:17.640 --> 00:21:23.119 up right now because my great blogger Charles lear jed 361 00:21:23.200 --> 00:21:25.559 a story on this particular case. And look there he 362 00:21:25.720 --> 00:21:27.400 is right there. This will again we'll be in the 363 00:21:27.440 --> 00:21:29.799 show notes. But go right ahead, go right into it. 364 00:21:29.839 --> 00:21:33.839 I love this, okay, Well, nineteen seventy nine, that was 365 00:21:33.880 --> 00:21:37.079 on patrol. It was late at night in I believe 366 00:21:37.119 --> 00:21:41.240 it was worn Minnesota and he was driving up a 367 00:21:41.319 --> 00:21:45.079 highway and the highway came to a t intersection just 368 00:21:45.200 --> 00:21:47.079 up the road, and he looked off to his left 369 00:21:47.119 --> 00:21:52.119 and he noticed this large white tight ball that's just 370 00:21:52.240 --> 00:21:58.480 hovering above the roadway. So he's thinking plane crash, car crash. 371 00:21:58.519 --> 00:22:01.599 He has no idea what he has, So I made 372 00:22:01.599 --> 00:22:04.720 the turn. He starts going down toward this light. All 373 00:22:04.759 --> 00:22:08.559 of a sudden, this light goes crashes through his windshield, 374 00:22:09.039 --> 00:22:12.000 hits him in the chest, and he said it felt 375 00:22:12.039 --> 00:22:15.680 like a two hundred pound pillow hitting his chest. Well, 376 00:22:15.720 --> 00:22:19.240 it knocked him out and his car kind of just 377 00:22:19.319 --> 00:22:23.400 kind of drifted to the side, came to a stop 378 00:22:23.559 --> 00:22:27.440 a few hundred yards from you know where he got hit. 379 00:22:28.759 --> 00:22:31.519 Got on the radio and says, I don't know what 380 00:22:31.680 --> 00:22:34.960 it was. I don't have no idea, but this thing 381 00:22:35.000 --> 00:22:39.680 came through my windshield. Ams shows up, other officers show up. 382 00:22:40.119 --> 00:22:44.359 They take val to the hospital. Now, doctor says they 383 00:22:44.400 --> 00:22:48.240 examined his eyes. They says both eyes had burns like 384 00:22:48.359 --> 00:22:53.759 they were arc welder burns on both eyes. His both 385 00:22:53.839 --> 00:23:00.839 his jaw and his teeth were cracked at the gumlet line. 386 00:23:01.119 --> 00:23:05.359 They were all raptured and they could figure out what 387 00:23:05.400 --> 00:23:11.039 in the world this thing was. So they they take 388 00:23:11.119 --> 00:23:15.759 the car and they have the GM guys come out 389 00:23:16.200 --> 00:23:19.160 to inspect the car. They also have somebody from like 390 00:23:21.359 --> 00:23:24.359 oh gosh, General Dynamics or whatever they had back there. 391 00:23:24.359 --> 00:23:27.519 There was another organization that came out and they checked 392 00:23:27.599 --> 00:23:35.599 his car out and the results, the official result was 393 00:23:36.039 --> 00:23:40.079 it was something that's it just something hit his car. 394 00:23:40.640 --> 00:23:46.720 Nobody could actually say what exactly hit his car. They 395 00:23:46.759 --> 00:23:50.799 had no idea. So, and what was interesting if you 396 00:23:51.039 --> 00:23:54.559 look at the picture of the car, whatever this thing 397 00:23:54.839 --> 00:23:59.559 was that hit his car, it went up over the 398 00:23:59.599 --> 00:24:03.759 front bumper, It broke the headlight on the driver's side, 399 00:24:04.400 --> 00:24:08.359 It went up, it hit the driver's side window, it 400 00:24:08.480 --> 00:24:14.200 hit the overhead emergency lights of his patrol car on 401 00:24:14.319 --> 00:24:18.920