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Prices vary in express. 11 00:00:31.199 --> 00:00:34.200 Oh hey, it's your podcast, step Dad, who smells like garlic, 12 00:00:34.280 --> 00:00:36.039 but is so happy you made it to this update 13 00:00:36.079 --> 00:00:39.920 because it's just such a comfy, cozy ketchup with an 14 00:00:39.920 --> 00:00:43.320 all time favorite guest. So Trees, Trees, Trees. If you 15 00:00:43.359 --> 00:00:45.799 have not yet listened to the full episode, you just 16 00:00:45.960 --> 00:00:49.719 be be backing up, kiddo, hit that first. I promise 17 00:00:49.759 --> 00:00:52.240 you there's an order. It makes sense. Also, since you 18 00:00:52.280 --> 00:00:55.320 made it here, I promised an update on the unnamed 19 00:00:55.520 --> 00:00:58.520 tree that I mentioned in the twenty eighteen interview, and 20 00:00:58.679 --> 00:01:01.719 does it have a name. It's been two years and 21 00:01:02.399 --> 00:01:06.359 it doesn't. No, it does not have one. Nothing is sacred. 22 00:01:06.599 --> 00:01:09.359 I'm mad at everything. I'm really pissed on one hand 23 00:01:09.599 --> 00:01:11.680 that it is nameless, but also on the other hand, 24 00:01:11.719 --> 00:01:13.439 I'm kind of relieved and I feel calm in my 25 00:01:13.480 --> 00:01:15.920 heart that it is not named after Pepsi Max or 26 00:01:16.000 --> 00:01:19.760 like t Mobile, like tree Mobile. Oh God, just please 27 00:01:19.920 --> 00:01:23.079 Earth swallow me. Okay, So more updates on the life 28 00:01:23.439 --> 00:01:27.840 and times and adventures of your favorite dendrologist, including whether 29 00:01:27.920 --> 00:01:30.000 or not he calls himself a dendrologist. 30 00:01:30.359 --> 00:01:52.680 Casey Clapp, how are you Allie? 31 00:01:52.760 --> 00:01:55.439 I'm just doing so great. How are you good? 32 00:01:55.519 --> 00:01:57.319 It's so good to hear your voice. 33 00:01:57.760 --> 00:02:01.879 You as well, although I've heard it one hundred thousand times. 34 00:02:01.519 --> 00:02:06.159 Now, I feel like after I mean, I just was 35 00:02:06.200 --> 00:02:08.240 listening to dentrology this morning, so I feel like we 36 00:02:08.360 --> 00:02:09.199 just hung out this morning. 37 00:02:09.280 --> 00:02:11.360 Wow, that sounds great. We get hang on the morning 38 00:02:11.439 --> 00:02:13.159 hand at night, I'm drinking a beer right now, so 39 00:02:13.199 --> 00:02:14.360 we're all on the same page. 40 00:02:14.919 --> 00:02:18.680 Oh, it's so good to have you back. Are you 41 00:02:18.960 --> 00:02:22.639 like aware that your episode on tentrology is maybe a 42 00:02:22.680 --> 00:02:25.439 fan favorite of all of like two hundred episodes I've done. 43 00:02:25.759 --> 00:02:28.280 No, I didn't realize it until like recently, and I'm like, 44 00:02:28.560 --> 00:02:30.520 this is so stunning to me. I'm so happy to 45 00:02:30.520 --> 00:02:31.800 be a part of this. Yeah. 46 00:02:31.879 --> 00:02:35.840 No, Honestly, when people recommend episodes to each other, it's like, 47 00:02:35.879 --> 00:02:38.960 oh you gottah start with dentrology. That tree guy's amazing. 48 00:02:39.039 --> 00:02:42.960 People love you, Oh man, I love them too. So 49 00:02:43.400 --> 00:02:44.840 you know, it's very neutralistic here. 50 00:02:45.159 --> 00:02:48.400 Now it's winter right now, almost we're going into winter. 51 00:02:48.560 --> 00:02:50.039 Yes, we're nearly at the solstice. 52 00:02:50.759 --> 00:02:55.960 Yeah, we're almost there. What is now anything new about 53 00:02:56.039 --> 00:02:58.840 trees that you have perhaps learned in the last year 54 00:02:58.879 --> 00:03:01.319 and a half, anything that has recently kind of come 55 00:03:01.400 --> 00:03:05.039 into your world that you felt like you wanted to share. 56 00:03:05.159 --> 00:03:06.159 Any new tattoos? 57 00:03:06.479 --> 00:03:09.159 Oh my god, I got so many more tattoos. I 58 00:03:09.240 --> 00:03:11.280 was actually thinking about that because I was like, oh 59 00:03:11.280 --> 00:03:13.400 my gosh, I've added to my armor. Reedom is what 60 00:03:13.439 --> 00:03:13.919 I call it. 61 00:03:15.159 --> 00:03:16.159 Armor reedom. 62 00:03:16.319 --> 00:03:19.039 It's good, Like that's how many trees. It's become more 63 00:03:19.080 --> 00:03:20.400 than just one. It's a collection. 64 00:03:20.560 --> 00:03:22.319 Now, which ones do you have? 65 00:03:22.360 --> 00:03:22.879 What'd you got? 66 00:03:23.080 --> 00:03:25.599 Let's see, So I have a bristle cone pine tree 67 00:03:25.639 --> 00:03:29.080 tattooed on my chest and that takes up like a 68 00:03:29.319 --> 00:03:32.599 kind of like almost a quadrant. I got a Douglas 69 00:03:32.599 --> 00:03:35.919 fir cone with a bunch of little mushrooms that come out. 70 00:03:36.000 --> 00:03:37.479 Here's a this is a fun thing. I learned this. 71 00:03:37.800 --> 00:03:42.280 So there is a fungus and it's stroboformist true Lossadis, 72 00:03:42.400 --> 00:03:45.599 I believe is the scientific name. It doesn't have a 73 00:03:45.639 --> 00:03:49.599 common name. And it's a fungus that only colonizes and 74 00:03:49.639 --> 00:03:54.080 grows on the cones of the Douglas fir tree. That's it. 75 00:03:54.159 --> 00:03:56.879 So quite specialized. Yeah, And I was like, oh, I 76 00:03:56.919 --> 00:03:58.879 really want to get fungus like a mushroom tattoo, but 77 00:03:58.919 --> 00:03:59.960 I don't want it to be like one of those 78 00:04:00.120 --> 00:04:03.599 kind of like almost kitchy mushrooms everyone like gets in 79 00:04:03.599 --> 00:04:04.520 and I was like, nah, it's got to be a 80 00:04:04.520 --> 00:04:07.080 little bit more original. So I found I found this 81 00:04:07.280 --> 00:04:09.599 like mushroom when I was just looking through the world, 82 00:04:09.680 --> 00:04:11.159 and it's on You can find it if you go 83 00:04:11.159 --> 00:04:13.360 out to you know, the forest, you'll see it right now. 84 00:04:13.919 --> 00:04:16.560 And I was like, that's adorable. So I took it 85 00:04:16.560 --> 00:04:18.120 to my artist and he drew it up and he's like, oh, 86 00:04:18.160 --> 00:04:19.399 what do you think. I was like, it's perfect, let's 87 00:04:19.399 --> 00:04:21.560 do it. So I got these little mushrooms popping out 88 00:04:21.560 --> 00:04:24.120 of a little Douglas fur cone. And then I have 89 00:04:24.160 --> 00:04:28.199 an enlarged large cone that is like right on my 90 00:04:28.680 --> 00:04:31.560 other the top side of my wrist. And then the 91 00:04:31.600 --> 00:04:38.040 Carolina hemlock, the subalpine fur and I think that's it. 92 00:04:38.079 --> 00:04:39.920 I think those are only the new, the new tree 93 00:04:39.959 --> 00:04:40.839 related tattoos. 94 00:04:41.199 --> 00:04:43.279 How do you pick by the way of all those species, 95 00:04:43.319 --> 00:04:46.079 like the bristle cone pine, for example, what was it 96 00:04:46.079 --> 00:04:49.279 about that tree that inspired you to get a massive 97 00:04:49.360 --> 00:04:49.920 chest piece? 98 00:04:50.120 --> 00:04:51.120 Oh my god, have. 99 00:04:51.120 --> 00:04:54.480 You seen those trees? Yeah, that's all you gotta do 100 00:04:54.560 --> 00:04:57.079 is go look at them and then all inspiration done. 101 00:04:57.240 --> 00:05:01.279 So the bristle cone pine is that dense, gnarled ancient 102 00:05:01.360 --> 00:05:04.959 tree that one Don Curry cut down while doing research, 103 00:05:05.040 --> 00:05:08.000 only to find that that specimen was the oldest known 104 00:05:08.199 --> 00:05:10.879 living thing on planet Earth at the time until he 105 00:05:10.959 --> 00:05:15.040 killed it. So loops. But these western us conifers, they 106 00:05:15.040 --> 00:05:17.199 look kind of like if a lightning bolt was made 107 00:05:17.240 --> 00:05:20.519 out of driftwood. It's just gnarnar in every way. 108 00:05:20.639 --> 00:05:22.199 I went down and saw them, it was just absolutely 109 00:05:22.199 --> 00:05:24.480 blown away. And I think that they are the most 110 00:05:25.600 --> 00:05:28.399 uniquely beautiful trees, you know, because you can see them 111 00:05:28.399 --> 00:05:32.600 and they look old, and you know, they're tiny trees comparatively, 112 00:05:32.639 --> 00:05:34.560 like you could fit an entire one of these trees 113 00:05:34.600 --> 00:05:38.759 inside of a medium sized sequoia, but it is, but 114 00:05:38.800 --> 00:05:42.079 they're like literally twice as old. So there's just the 115 00:05:42.240 --> 00:05:43.680 I don't know, you can just I could stare at 116 00:05:43.720 --> 00:05:45.759 it the way someone can stare at water or stare 117 00:05:45.800 --> 00:05:48.000 at fire, you know, like it just kind of captivates you. 118 00:05:49.360 --> 00:05:51.240 So that's that was the inspiration. I was like, I 119 00:05:51.240 --> 00:05:53.839 got to get something like that tattooed, and I really 120 00:05:53.839 --> 00:05:55.759 want to take up this massive space that I have. 121 00:05:56.040 --> 00:05:57.879 So what am I going to do? And I gave 122 00:05:57.920 --> 00:06:00.639 it to the artist who I work with. I was like, hey, man, 123 00:06:00.720 --> 00:06:02.199 I just this is kind of my idea, and he 124 00:06:02.279 --> 00:06:04.319 drew a couple of things up and he was he 125 00:06:04.399 --> 00:06:07.360 had his iPad and he was looking at it while 126 00:06:07.360 --> 00:06:09.319 he was tattooing me, and so it wasn't like a 127 00:06:09.439 --> 00:06:11.000 drawing that he put on me. He was kind of like, 128 00:06:11.000 --> 00:06:13.040 all right, this is kind of the idea. I'm gonna 129 00:06:13.040 --> 00:06:14.600 make it better as we do it. And he was 130 00:06:14.639 --> 00:06:17.600 actively like judging the tree that he was looking at 131 00:06:17.839 --> 00:06:19.399 and then putting it on me at the same time. 132 00:06:19.399 --> 00:06:20.879 And I was like, this is excellent. I love this. 133 00:06:21.079 --> 00:06:25.079 And when something is tattooed into your actual flesh, it 134 00:06:25.120 --> 00:06:28.079 really is a portable evergreen. It's a forever green. 135 00:06:28.519 --> 00:06:28.680 Oh. 136 00:06:28.720 --> 00:06:31.920 On the topic of life and winter, Casey shared some 137 00:06:32.240 --> 00:06:34.720 dendrological myths and lower. 138 00:06:34.839 --> 00:06:37.279 I did some research on this with one of my friends, 139 00:06:37.480 --> 00:06:41.639 and it is actually such an interesting like Christianization a 140 00:06:41.720 --> 00:06:45.279 most of pagan holidays. And basically the idea is that 141 00:06:45.319 --> 00:06:48.360 there were there's always been sort of pagan holidays over 142 00:06:48.360 --> 00:06:50.199 the solstice. And the fun thing that I learned is that, 143 00:06:50.879 --> 00:06:52.800 and I don't know what exact tradition this is, if 144 00:06:52.839 --> 00:06:55.240 it was you know, galls or celts or something like that, 145 00:06:55.439 --> 00:06:58.079 but there was a holly king, and there was an 146 00:06:58.079 --> 00:07:02.079 oak king. The Oak King was the king over the summertime. 147 00:07:02.079 --> 00:07:04.600 As soon as the winter solstice happens, when the days 148 00:07:04.720 --> 00:07:08.240 immediately start getting longer, the Oak King's power would kind 149 00:07:08.240 --> 00:07:09.759 of grow and he'd get more and more strength, and 150 00:07:09.839 --> 00:07:13.360 he'd kind of the power of the Holly King would 151 00:07:13.439 --> 00:07:16.199 kind of wane a little bit or wax. Which one 152 00:07:16.399 --> 00:07:19.720 which ones go away and which ones come? I think 153 00:07:19.480 --> 00:07:23.920 is waning, it's fading. So the holly king was waning 154 00:07:24.160 --> 00:07:27.800 while the oak king was waxing. And then at the 155 00:07:27.839 --> 00:07:30.040 summer solstice, the oa king's at the height of its 156 00:07:30.079 --> 00:07:32.000 power and glory when you have the biggest oak trees 157 00:07:32.000 --> 00:07:35.160 and they have all their leaves and they're so divine 158 00:07:35.279 --> 00:07:38.120 in a lot of different cultures. And then as soon 159 00:07:38.120 --> 00:07:40.600 as the summer solstice and June twenty first comes around, 160 00:07:40.839 --> 00:07:42.680 then all of a sudden, its power starts fading, and 161 00:07:42.680 --> 00:07:44.519 then the holly king starts coming back. And the holly 162 00:07:44.560 --> 00:07:46.959 is obviously evergreen, at least it was the one that 163 00:07:47.000 --> 00:07:49.399 they're talking about, the English holly or the sort of 164 00:07:49.439 --> 00:07:52.079 common holly over in Europe. That tree then started getting 165 00:07:52.079 --> 00:07:54.120 all the more power and the more power, and then 166 00:07:54.120 --> 00:07:55.759 all of a sudden, you know, you have that sort 167 00:07:55.800 --> 00:07:58.000 of power dynamic that comes and goes, and on the 168 00:07:58.120 --> 00:08:01.000 solstice they would bring in these ever green things as 169 00:08:01.040 --> 00:08:03.519 a celebration of everlasting life and that kind of thing. 170 00:08:05.439 --> 00:08:07.399 So I just thought that was the most fascinating thing, 171 00:08:07.439 --> 00:08:09.680 where everyone like it was just this, you know, you 172 00:08:09.759 --> 00:08:12.000 were connected to the land, you were celebrating, you know, 173 00:08:12.160 --> 00:08:14.399 the turning of the day is getting longer, getting shorter, 174 00:08:14.879 --> 00:08:17.240 and then all of a sudden, you know, they took it, 175 00:08:17.439 --> 00:08:20.319 and as religions and cultures change, they kind of took 176 00:08:20.360 --> 00:08:23.319 that same idea and transformed it to a new tradition. 177 00:08:23.560 --> 00:08:25.959 As we look at it now, obviously the tradition's very 178 00:08:26.040 --> 00:08:28.680 much different than it was three thousand years ago. Mm hmm. 179 00:08:29.360 --> 00:08:31.079 Now what about Arbor Day do you celebrate? 180 00:08:32.080 --> 00:08:34.240 I love Arbor Day. One of my professors when I 181 00:08:34.360 --> 00:08:37.840 was at the University of Massachusetts, he would always he 182 00:08:37.879 --> 00:08:40.320 had a really thick Boston accent, and he was always like, 183 00:08:40.600 --> 00:08:42.320 I can't even do the accent. I was gonna try, 184 00:08:42.360 --> 00:08:43.519 and then I panicked. 185 00:08:43.120 --> 00:08:43.799 And I stopped. 186 00:08:46.440 --> 00:08:49.000 Maybe that'll come out some other time. He would always say, 187 00:08:49.120 --> 00:08:50.759 all right, it's the most holy day of the year, 188 00:08:50.840 --> 00:08:53.639 Arbor Day. Go outside, go plant the tree. Oh, and 189 00:08:53.879 --> 00:08:56.240 he's just he I thought that was the funniest thing 190 00:08:56.279 --> 00:08:57.840 because I had no idea what he was talking about. 191 00:08:57.840 --> 00:08:59.679 When he's like, hey, most holy day of the year's 192 00:08:59.679 --> 00:09:02.399 coming up, I'm like, what it's It's like, it's April. 193 00:09:02.440 --> 00:09:04.519 What are you talking about? Like a day? 194 00:09:05.200 --> 00:09:05.759 Ah day? 195 00:09:05.799 --> 00:09:08.320 Go to day? Yeah, go to the park planet a tree. 196 00:09:08.639 --> 00:09:13.279 All right, guy, he was just he was kicking the pants, 197 00:09:13.320 --> 00:09:13.639 that guy. 198 00:09:14.200 --> 00:09:17.679 No, what about since we talked last you demurred when 199 00:09:17.759 --> 00:09:20.960 I called you adndrologist, saying that you were more of 200 00:09:21.000 --> 00:09:24.360 an arborist. Uh, do you feel like you are still 201 00:09:24.559 --> 00:09:27.519 more of an arborist than a dendrologist? Has your any 202 00:09:27.559 --> 00:09:28.320 thoughts changed? 203 00:09:28.679 --> 00:09:34.279 Hmmm, I'm gonna say a little bit yes, And I think, honestly, 204 00:09:34.440 --> 00:09:36.759 I have to admit where once you said it, and 205 00:09:37.039 --> 00:09:39.879 you know, like someone starts calling you something, it's like, oh, oh, 206 00:09:40.000 --> 00:09:42.279 okh okay, yeah, I guess, I guess I am. I 207 00:09:42.360 --> 00:09:44.480 never I guess I never gave myself that title. But 208 00:09:44.519 --> 00:09:46.600 if everyone else will, I guess I'm just gonna live 209 00:09:46.639 --> 00:09:48.159 into it. I'm gonna I'm gonna take it. 210 00:09:48.399 --> 00:09:50.799 Oh good, that makes me so so happy. 211 00:09:51.080 --> 00:09:51.759 Well, thank you. 212 00:09:52.279 --> 00:09:56.600 What about What are you looking forward to in twenty 213 00:09:56.720 --> 00:09:57.200 twenty one? 214 00:09:58.559 --> 00:10:01.159 In twenty twenty one? Actually, I have a very specific 215 00:10:01.200 --> 00:10:02.759 thing that I'm looking forward to, and it's kind of 216 00:10:02.840 --> 00:10:04.399 a thing that I have to drop right now. I 217 00:10:04.480 --> 00:10:07.639 guess is that I am officially actually trying to make 218 00:10:07.679 --> 00:10:11.679 a podcast. And we're making a podcast, my friend Alex 219 00:10:11.759 --> 00:10:14.399 Crossen and I. It's gonna come out on the seventh 220 00:10:14.480 --> 00:10:17.720 of January, So right as twenty twenty one starts, Oh 221 00:10:17.759 --> 00:10:21.399 my gosh, what's it called. It's called completely arbitrary. Yeah, 222 00:10:22.840 --> 00:10:25.840 I'm so happy that you laughed at that, of course. 223 00:10:25.919 --> 00:10:27.679 Okay, what's it about? What's the first EPI set about? 224 00:10:27.840 --> 00:10:31.120 Okay, so the first episode is actually about the Douglas fir, 225 00:10:31.200 --> 00:10:32.919 I believe is what the first one is going to be. 226 00:10:33.039 --> 00:10:34.519 We have a couple that we have lined up, and 227 00:10:34.600 --> 00:10:37.360 so we just decided that we are going to make 228 00:10:37.440 --> 00:10:40.080 it about the Douglas fer and the whole scheme. When 229 00:10:40.120 --> 00:10:42.799 I pitched this to my friend Alex, I was like, Alex, Okay, 230 00:10:42.840 --> 00:10:45.240 so you don't know much about trees, and he's like, yeah, 231 00:10:45.240 --> 00:10:46.519 I know, you know a lot about trees. I'm like, ah, 232 00:10:46.559 --> 00:10:48.759 you know, okay, I do. But so what if between 233 00:10:48.759 --> 00:10:50.960 you and I we just get together and we just 234 00:10:51.080 --> 00:10:53.000 kind of talk about trees and then we give them 235 00:10:53.000 --> 00:10:56.559 a rating. We review trees as if they were, you know, 236 00:10:56.840 --> 00:10:59.720 a material item that someone could be like, oh, oh, 237 00:10:59.759 --> 00:11:01.720 tell me about like what I'm gonna scroll down on 238 00:11:01.799 --> 00:11:04.240 the Amazon list of trees and then see all the 239 00:11:04.320 --> 00:11:09.559 different consumer reviews of it. That is basically what we're 240 00:11:09.559 --> 00:11:11.840 gonna do. We're gonna introduce the tree I'm gonna talk 241 00:11:11.840 --> 00:11:13.159 about it and say a right, So here's the facts, 242 00:11:13.279 --> 00:11:15.200 just the facts, blah blah blah, and he's gonna look 243 00:11:15.200 --> 00:11:19.399 at me like the tree's green, it's got leaves, and 244 00:11:19.600 --> 00:11:20.360 that's about all I know. 245 00:11:20.960 --> 00:11:25.600 Oh okay, y'all heard it here first, completely arbitrary. Get 246 00:11:25.639 --> 00:11:29.080 it okay. So it officially launches on January seventh, but 247 00:11:29.200 --> 00:11:32.480 I strongly begged Casey to put up an episode zero 248 00:11:32.720 --> 00:11:36.320 trailer so you can find it now and subscribe wherever 249 00:11:36.399 --> 00:11:39.000 you get podcasts. This is breaking news people. I am 250 00:11:39.080 --> 00:11:41.559 the TMZ of tree Gossip, but he is. 251 00:11:41.639 --> 00:11:43.240 A just a delight to talk to you. We've been 252 00:11:43.279 --> 00:11:46.960 friends for just years, probably decades by this point. And 253 00:11:47.279 --> 00:11:48.919 at the end of it, we're gonna give a rating 254 00:11:49.360 --> 00:11:52.159 out of I think, what did we decide? Ten golden 255 00:11:52.279 --> 00:11:56.399 cones of honor? Okay, it came out just randomly when 256 00:11:56.440 --> 00:11:58.519 we're sitting there. And then afterwards, we're gonna take a 257 00:11:58.679 --> 00:12:00.360 question that someone gives us and we're gonna answer it. 258 00:12:00.480 --> 00:12:03.480 So if someone's like, hey, uh, what is a ectomycro 259 00:12:03.600 --> 00:12:06.000 rhizal fung guy, then we're gonna talk about that. 260 00:12:06.200 --> 00:12:06.600 Mm hmm. 261 00:12:06.840 --> 00:12:09.320 So that's the plan, and it's gonna be like thirty minutes. 262 00:12:09.399 --> 00:12:11.080 You know, you're on your bike, you're riding, uh, you're 263 00:12:11.159 --> 00:12:14.799 riding work, you're on the bus, you're driving on thirty minutes, 264 00:12:14.840 --> 00:12:16.960 listen to Casey and Alex talk about trees. Laugh a 265 00:12:16.960 --> 00:12:20.200 little bit, cry a little bit, you know, mostly because 266 00:12:20.559 --> 00:12:22.919 I probably am gonna rate some trees that people really 267 00:12:23.080 --> 00:12:25.200 like pretty pretty severely. 268 00:12:25.440 --> 00:12:27.399 I was gonna say, there's gotta be trees on your 269 00:12:27.440 --> 00:12:27.879 ship list. 270 00:12:28.200 --> 00:12:30.399 I don't know if you recall me talking about apple trees. 271 00:12:30.679 --> 00:12:32.039 Oh yes, I remember. 272 00:12:32.679 --> 00:12:35.080 Yeah, there are some shitless trees and they're they're gonna 273 00:12:35.120 --> 00:12:36.360 come out. We don't know when, you know, we got 274 00:12:36.440 --> 00:12:38.440 to pepper them in there, you know, every now and 275 00:12:38.519 --> 00:12:40.320 then and keep we want to keep the vibe high. 276 00:12:40.399 --> 00:12:42.960 So everyone's like, oh, this is a nice positive podcast, right, 277 00:12:43.000 --> 00:12:45.279 But then every now and then it's probably gonna be like, oh, 278 00:12:45.320 --> 00:12:48.559 we're gonna we're gonna be talking about the myrobian plum, Like, 279 00:12:48.639 --> 00:12:50.879 oh my god, don't even get me started. 280 00:12:51.080 --> 00:12:52.919 Oh my god, you're gonna spill the tree on it. 281 00:12:53.039 --> 00:12:54.759 Yeah, we're gonna yeah, it's it's gonna be it's gonna 282 00:12:54.759 --> 00:12:57.120 be pretty rough. Oh I'm so excited that comes out 283 00:12:58.039 --> 00:12:59.600 on the seventh, January seventh, So. 284 00:12:59.799 --> 00:13:02.559 It's completely arbitrary or to completely. 285 00:13:02.360 --> 00:13:05.480 Oh, it is completely arbitrary, trust me. But it's also 286 00:13:05.600 --> 00:13:10.679 called completely arbitrary, but specifically because we're we're doing this 287 00:13:10.840 --> 00:13:15.080 over the radio. It's a R B O R trairie. 288 00:13:15.759 --> 00:13:17.879 I had a feeling. I had a feeling. 289 00:13:18.039 --> 00:13:20.480 Yeah. As we were discussing, I was like, you know what, Alex, 290 00:13:20.480 --> 00:13:22.279 I don't think we should make a pun name. And 291 00:13:22.399 --> 00:13:24.360 then what do we make it a punny name? 292 00:13:24.600 --> 00:13:28.639 So you have to have to is the podcast art 293 00:13:28.799 --> 00:13:30.759 just going to be a bunch of your tattoos? 294 00:13:31.919 --> 00:13:32.919 You know, it might as well be. 295 00:13:33.039 --> 00:13:34.480 But I think it's going to be a cone. We're 296 00:13:34.559 --> 00:13:37.399 just getting that figured out and solidifying that. We just 297 00:13:37.440 --> 00:13:41.120 got some of the artwork put in today, so we 298 00:13:41.399 --> 00:13:43.039 don't Yeah, so we got I think it's going to 299 00:13:43.080 --> 00:13:45.159 be a cone and then kind of a thing on 300 00:13:45.279 --> 00:13:48.240 top that says completely arbitrary, kind of arked over it. 301 00:13:49.320 --> 00:13:52.440 So excited, Okay, really quick break to hear about sponsors 302 00:13:52.480 --> 00:13:54.200 of the show, and they make it possible for us 303 00:13:54.240 --> 00:13:56.919 to make a donation in Casey's name this week. It 304 00:13:57.000 --> 00:13:59.759 goes to eco Trust dot org, which is a Portland 305 00:13:59.840 --> 00:14:03.639 or a based nonprofit working with indigenous nations and private 306 00:14:03.759 --> 00:14:08.039 and public landowners to transition to climate smart management. 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Prices very in express. 324 00:14:49.600 --> 00:14:52.279 Okay, Now, if you are looking to cultivate your own 325 00:14:52.639 --> 00:14:56.240 armory doom, who is a good gardener for that? Also? 326 00:14:56.279 --> 00:14:58.320 Do you want to shout out your tattoo artist? 327 00:14:59.039 --> 00:14:59.200 Oh? 328 00:14:59.360 --> 00:15:02.399 Yes, name John Heabrink I have with a blood root 329 00:15:02.440 --> 00:15:05.519 tattoo here in Portland Cool. He is such a delight, 330 00:15:05.720 --> 00:15:08.360 just one of the nicest people I've ever met, just 331 00:15:08.440 --> 00:15:09.559 an incredible artist. 332 00:15:09.679 --> 00:15:11.879 Does he like trees more? Since working on you? 333 00:15:12.559 --> 00:15:14.159 I did? You know? I wouldn't say more, but you 334 00:15:14.279 --> 00:15:16.720 know what I really dig And why I've I've kept 335 00:15:16.759 --> 00:15:18.879 going back to him now like several times, is that 336 00:15:19.080 --> 00:15:22.919 each time I give him a you know, a thing, 337 00:15:23.080 --> 00:15:25.840 like say hey, I want this, and then I'm very specific. 338 00:15:25.919 --> 00:15:28.440 I'm like, no, no, this is not a this is 339 00:15:28.639 --> 00:15:30.879 a fur cone, or this is a this kind of cone, 340 00:15:30.919 --> 00:15:33.320 or this is that kind of cone rather than a 341 00:15:33.480 --> 00:15:35.639 pine cone. That's That's maybe that's a myth I should 342 00:15:35.679 --> 00:15:38.360 I should do is that everyone will always say, oh, 343 00:15:38.399 --> 00:15:39.840 that looks like, well, well I love that dug fur 344 00:15:39.919 --> 00:15:41.679 pine cone, and it's like, no, that's a that's a 345 00:15:41.759 --> 00:15:45.320 dug fur cone because it's not a pine you see, 346 00:15:45.799 --> 00:15:47.519 and it's It's one of those things where you know, 347 00:15:47.600 --> 00:15:50.639 you learn and then you like for thirty seconds start 348 00:15:50.679 --> 00:15:53.120 calling people out. Then you realize that you're trying to like, 349 00:15:53.519 --> 00:15:56.080 you know, stop a tide, and you're like, just let 350 00:15:56.159 --> 00:15:58.879 it go. It's not that important. And so whenever I 351 00:15:58.960 --> 00:16:01.480 give things to him and I'm like, hey, Sean, I 352 00:16:01.600 --> 00:16:04.360 have this very specific thing with this very specific purpose, 353 00:16:04.600 --> 00:16:08.360 with these very specific like biological or you know whatever meanings, 354 00:16:08.639 --> 00:16:10.840 and he picks up on it and like finds it 355 00:16:10.960 --> 00:16:13.960 to a t and then knows it. So like I 356 00:16:14.039 --> 00:16:16.120 told him about this fungus and then he looked it 357 00:16:16.240 --> 00:16:18.000 up himself, so he was making sure that he was 358 00:16:18.080 --> 00:16:20.240 drawing it right. Then when he posted it on his 359 00:16:20.519 --> 00:16:23.559 social media, he like called out the fungus by the 360 00:16:23.600 --> 00:16:26.240 scientific name and all these things. Was like, you're the best. 361 00:16:26.519 --> 00:16:29.000 So he takes it, you know, I guess personally, and 362 00:16:29.080 --> 00:16:31.559 then really gives it a good a good piece of 363 00:16:31.720 --> 00:16:34.320 art because he he knows exactly that I'm not looking 364 00:16:34.399 --> 00:16:36.120 for just like, oh, I want a pine cone, He's like, no, 365 00:16:36.200 --> 00:16:40.240 I'm getting a Carolina hemlock cone. It looks exactly like this. 366 00:16:40.919 --> 00:16:43.120 Don't just randomly look up hemlock cone or find some 367 00:16:43.200 --> 00:16:43.960 other random stuff. 368 00:16:44.360 --> 00:16:46.840 But you know, you know, when something is on someone's 369 00:16:46.879 --> 00:16:49.679 body until they die, that's a lot of responsibility, right. 370 00:16:49.679 --> 00:16:51.639 I don't want to be like the no regrets tattoo 371 00:16:51.799 --> 00:16:53.480 of trees exactly. 372 00:16:53.960 --> 00:16:56.559 Yeah, No, I agree, and I had to. I have 373 00:16:56.720 --> 00:16:59.360 to like think about that whenever I see other everyone 374 00:16:59.399 --> 00:17:02.600 else's head and I judge them, like not judging it, 375 00:17:02.720 --> 00:17:04.440 like is that good or bad? But I'm like, okay, 376 00:17:04.519 --> 00:17:08.720 I know that that's a ponderosa pine, but that's a hit. 377 00:17:08.960 --> 00:17:12.000 But those are not pine needles? What are those? So yeah, 378 00:17:12.039 --> 00:17:13.839 I've seen tattoos like oh okay, let me give you 379 00:17:13.880 --> 00:17:17.519 an example. Things that are in the lily family, lily aca. 380 00:17:18.359 --> 00:17:20.960 They are defined more or less now I'm gonna say 381 00:17:21.000 --> 00:17:24.160 more by having things in parts of three. So every 382 00:17:24.319 --> 00:17:26.240 lily that you've ever seen or anything in the lily 383 00:17:26.359 --> 00:17:30.000 family will have three petals, three sepals, or six or 384 00:17:30.119 --> 00:17:32.440 nine or twelve. It's all these in multiples of three. 385 00:17:32.880 --> 00:17:36.839 These things come in three. And so I saw this 386 00:17:37.039 --> 00:17:39.039 and this was like some random book years and years 387 00:17:39.039 --> 00:17:42.480 ago where it was clearly a lily, like one of 388 00:17:42.519 --> 00:17:44.680 those big lily flowers that you can get from you know, 389 00:17:44.799 --> 00:17:46.599 half the stores when they're in bloom, and it only 390 00:17:46.640 --> 00:17:49.839 had five petals. And I was like, uh, oh, someone 391 00:17:50.000 --> 00:17:51.039 didn't do their research. 392 00:17:52.480 --> 00:17:56.240 And it's so when the more permanent, it is honestly 393 00:17:56.640 --> 00:17:57.440 the worst. 394 00:17:57.640 --> 00:17:59.519 Exactly, Well, what my first tattoo. I don't know if 395 00:17:59.519 --> 00:18:01.559 I told you this. It's a backwards music note. 396 00:18:01.960 --> 00:18:04.079 Oh man, buckle up, because you're about to love this 397 00:18:04.160 --> 00:18:04.759 guy even more. 398 00:18:05.079 --> 00:18:05.759 Did I tell you this? 399 00:18:06.200 --> 00:18:08.279 No? No? Oh my god. So my very first set too. 400 00:18:08.359 --> 00:18:09.759 I think I was a freshman in college and I 401 00:18:09.799 --> 00:18:11.000