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Speaker 3: Oh hey, it's your podcast, step Dad, who smells like garlic,
Speaker 3: but is so happy you made it to this update
Speaker 3: because it's just such a comfy, cozy ketchup with an
Speaker 3: all time favorite guest. So Trees, Trees, Trees. If you
Speaker 3: have not yet listened to the full episode, you just
Speaker 3: be be backing up, kiddo, hit that first. I promise
Speaker 3: you there's an order. It makes sense. Also, since you
Speaker 3: made it here, I promised an update on the unnamed
Speaker 3: tree that I mentioned in the twenty eighteen interview, and
Speaker 3: does it have a name. It's been two years and
Speaker 3: it doesn't. No, it does not have one. Nothing is sacred.
Speaker 3: I'm mad at everything. I'm really pissed on one hand
Speaker 3: that it is nameless, but also on the other hand,
Speaker 3: I'm kind of relieved and I feel calm in my
Speaker 3: heart that it is not named after Pepsi Max or
Speaker 3: like t Mobile, like tree Mobile. Oh God, just please
Speaker 3: Earth swallow me. Okay, So more updates on the life
Speaker 3: and times and adventures of your favorite dendrologist, including whether
Speaker 3: or not he calls himself a dendrologist.
Speaker 1: Casey Clapp, how are you Allie?
Speaker 4: I'm just doing so great. How are you good?
Speaker 3: It's so good to hear your voice.
Speaker 4: You as well, although I've heard it one hundred thousand times.
Speaker 3: Now, I feel like after I mean, I just was
Speaker 3: listening to dentrology this morning, so I feel like we
Speaker 3: just hung out this morning.
Speaker 4: Wow, that sounds great. We get hang on the morning
Speaker 4: hand at night, I'm drinking a beer right now, so
Speaker 4: we're all on the same page.
Speaker 3: Oh, it's so good to have you back. Are you
Speaker 3: like aware that your episode on tentrology is maybe a
Speaker 3: fan favorite of all of like two hundred episodes I've done.
Speaker 4: No, I didn't realize it until like recently, and I'm like,
Speaker 4: this is so stunning to me. I'm so happy to
Speaker 4: be a part of this. Yeah.
Speaker 3: No, Honestly, when people recommend episodes to each other, it's like,
Speaker 3: oh you gottah start with dentrology. That tree guy's amazing.
Speaker 4: People love you, Oh man, I love them too. So
Speaker 4: you know, it's very neutralistic here.
Speaker 3: Now it's winter right now, almost we're going into winter.
Speaker 4: Yes, we're nearly at the solstice.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're almost there. What is now anything new about
Speaker 3: trees that you have perhaps learned in the last year
Speaker 3: and a half, anything that has recently kind of come
Speaker 3: into your world that you felt like you wanted to share.
Speaker 3: Any new tattoos?
Speaker 4: Oh my god, I got so many more tattoos. I
Speaker 4: was actually thinking about that because I was like, oh
Speaker 4: my gosh, I've added to my armor. Reedom is what
Speaker 4: I call it.
Speaker 3: Armor reedom.
Speaker 4: It's good, Like that's how many trees. It's become more
Speaker 4: than just one. It's a collection.
Speaker 1: Now, which ones do you have?
Speaker 3: What'd you got?
Speaker 4: Let's see, So I have a bristle cone pine tree
Speaker 4: tattooed on my chest and that takes up like a
Speaker 4: kind of like almost a quadrant. I got a Douglas
Speaker 4: fir cone with a bunch of little mushrooms that come out.
Speaker 4: Here's a this is a fun thing. I learned this.
Speaker 4: So there is a fungus and it's stroboformist true Lossadis,
Speaker 4: I believe is the scientific name. It doesn't have a
Speaker 4: common name. And it's a fungus that only colonizes and
Speaker 4: grows on the cones of the Douglas fir tree. That's it.
Speaker 4: So quite specialized. Yeah, And I was like, oh, I
Speaker 4: really want to get fungus like a mushroom tattoo, but
Speaker 4: I don't want it to be like one of those
Speaker 4: kind of like almost kitchy mushrooms everyone like gets in
Speaker 4: and I was like, nah, it's got to be a
Speaker 4: little bit more original. So I found I found this
Speaker 4: like mushroom when I was just looking through the world,
Speaker 4: and it's on You can find it if you go
Speaker 4: out to you know, the forest, you'll see it right now.
Speaker 4: And I was like, that's adorable. So I took it
Speaker 4: to my artist and he drew it up and he's like, oh,
Speaker 4: what do you think. I was like, it's perfect, let's
Speaker 4: do it. So I got these little mushrooms popping out
Speaker 4: of a little Douglas fur cone. And then I have
Speaker 4: an enlarged large cone that is like right on my
Speaker 4: other the top side of my wrist. And then the
Speaker 4: Carolina hemlock, the subalpine fur and I think that's it.
Speaker 4: I think those are only the new, the new tree
Speaker 4: related tattoos.
Speaker 3: How do you pick by the way of all those species,
Speaker 3: like the bristle cone pine, for example, what was it
Speaker 3: about that tree that inspired you to get a massive
Speaker 3: chest piece?
Speaker 1: Oh my god, have.
Speaker 4: You seen those trees? Yeah, that's all you gotta do
Speaker 4: is go look at them and then all inspiration done.
Speaker 3: So the bristle cone pine is that dense, gnarled ancient
Speaker 3: tree that one Don Curry cut down while doing research,
Speaker 3: only to find that that specimen was the oldest known
Speaker 3: living thing on planet Earth at the time until he
Speaker 3: killed it. So loops. But these western us conifers, they
Speaker 3: look kind of like if a lightning bolt was made
Speaker 3: out of driftwood. It's just gnarnar in every way.
Speaker 4: I went down and saw them, it was just absolutely
Speaker 4: blown away. And I think that they are the most
Speaker 4: uniquely beautiful trees, you know, because you can see them
Speaker 4: and they look old, and you know, they're tiny trees comparatively,
Speaker 4: like you could fit an entire one of these trees
Speaker 4: inside of a medium sized sequoia, but it is, but
Speaker 4: they're like literally twice as old. So there's just the
Speaker 4: I don't know, you can just I could stare at
Speaker 4: it the way someone can stare at water or stare
Speaker 4: at fire, you know, like it just kind of captivates you.
Speaker 4: So that's that was the inspiration. I was like, I
Speaker 4: got to get something like that tattooed, and I really
Speaker 4: want to take up this massive space that I have.
Speaker 4: So what am I going to do? And I gave
Speaker 4: it to the artist who I work with. I was like, hey, man,
Speaker 4: I just this is kind of my idea, and he
Speaker 4: drew a couple of things up and he was he
Speaker 4: had his iPad and he was looking at it while
Speaker 4: he was tattooing me, and so it wasn't like a
Speaker 4: drawing that he put on me. He was kind of like,
Speaker 4: all right, this is kind of the idea. I'm gonna
Speaker 4: make it better as we do it. And he was
Speaker 4: actively like judging the tree that he was looking at
Speaker 4: and then putting it on me at the same time.
Speaker 4: And I was like, this is excellent. I love this.
Speaker 3: And when something is tattooed into your actual flesh, it
Speaker 3: really is a portable evergreen. It's a forever green.
Speaker 2: Oh.
Speaker 3: On the topic of life and winter, Casey shared some
Speaker 3: dendrological myths and lower.
Speaker 4: I did some research on this with one of my friends,
Speaker 4: and it is actually such an interesting like Christianization a
Speaker 4: most of pagan holidays. And basically the idea is that
Speaker 4: there were there's always been sort of pagan holidays over
Speaker 4: the solstice. And the fun thing that I learned is that,
Speaker 4: and I don't know what exact tradition this is, if
Speaker 4: it was you know, galls or celts or something like that,
Speaker 4: but there was a holly king, and there was an
Speaker 4: oak king. The Oak King was the king over the summertime.
Speaker 4: As soon as the winter solstice happens, when the days
Speaker 4: immediately start getting longer, the Oak King's power would kind
Speaker 4: of grow and he'd get more and more strength, and
Speaker 4: he'd kind of the power of the Holly King would
Speaker 4: kind of wane a little bit or wax. Which one
Speaker 4: which ones go away and which ones come? I think
Speaker 4: is waning, it's fading. So the holly king was waning
Speaker 4: while the oak king was waxing. And then at the
Speaker 4: summer solstice, the oa king's at the height of its
Speaker 4: power and glory when you have the biggest oak trees
Speaker 4: and they have all their leaves and they're so divine
Speaker 4: in a lot of different cultures. And then as soon
Speaker 4: as the summer solstice and June twenty first comes around,
Speaker 4: then all of a sudden, its power starts fading, and
Speaker 4: then the holly king starts coming back. And the holly
Speaker 4: is obviously evergreen, at least it was the one that
Speaker 4: they're talking about, the English holly or the sort of
Speaker 4: common holly over in Europe. That tree then started getting
Speaker 4: all the more power and the more power, and then
Speaker 4: all of a sudden, you know, you have that sort
Speaker 4: of power dynamic that comes and goes, and on the
Speaker 4: solstice they would bring in these ever green things as
Speaker 4: a celebration of everlasting life and that kind of thing.
Speaker 4: So I just thought that was the most fascinating thing,
Speaker 4: where everyone like it was just this, you know, you
Speaker 4: were connected to the land, you were celebrating, you know,
Speaker 4: the turning of the day is getting longer, getting shorter,
Speaker 4: and then all of a sudden, you know, they took it,
Speaker 4: and as religions and cultures change, they kind of took
Speaker 4: that same idea and transformed it to a new tradition.
Speaker 4: As we look at it now, obviously the tradition's very
Speaker 4: much different than it was three thousand years ago. Mm hmm.
Speaker 3: Now what about Arbor Day do you celebrate?
Speaker 4: I love Arbor Day. One of my professors when I
Speaker 4: was at the University of Massachusetts, he would always he
Speaker 4: had a really thick Boston accent, and he was always like,
Speaker 4: I can't even do the accent. I was gonna try,
Speaker 4: and then I panicked.
Speaker 1: And I stopped.
Speaker 4: Maybe that'll come out some other time. He would always say,
Speaker 4: all right, it's the most holy day of the year,
Speaker 4: Arbor Day. Go outside, go plant the tree. Oh, and
Speaker 4: he's just he I thought that was the funniest thing
Speaker 4: because I had no idea what he was talking about.
Speaker 4: When he's like, hey, most holy day of the year's
Speaker 4: coming up, I'm like, what it's It's like, it's April.
Speaker 4: What are you talking about? Like a day?
Speaker 1: Ah day?
Speaker 4: Go to day? Yeah, go to the park planet a tree.
Speaker 4: All right, guy, he was just he was kicking the pants,
Speaker 4: that guy.
Speaker 3: No, what about since we talked last you demurred when
Speaker 3: I called you adndrologist, saying that you were more of
Speaker 3: an arborist. Uh, do you feel like you are still
Speaker 3: more of an arborist than a dendrologist? Has your any
Speaker 3: thoughts changed?
Speaker 4: Hmmm, I'm gonna say a little bit yes, And I think, honestly,
Speaker 4: I have to admit where once you said it, and
Speaker 4: you know, like someone starts calling you something, it's like, oh, oh,
Speaker 4: okh okay, yeah, I guess, I guess I am. I
Speaker 4: never I guess I never gave myself that title. But
Speaker 4: if everyone else will, I guess I'm just gonna live
Speaker 4: into it. I'm gonna I'm gonna take it.
Speaker 3: Oh good, that makes me so so happy.
Speaker 4: Well, thank you.
Speaker 3: What about What are you looking forward to in twenty
Speaker 3: twenty one?
Speaker 4: In twenty twenty one? Actually, I have a very specific
Speaker 4: thing that I'm looking forward to, and it's kind of
Speaker 4: a thing that I have to drop right now. I
Speaker 4: guess is that I am officially actually trying to make
Speaker 4: a podcast. And we're making a podcast, my friend Alex
Speaker 4: Crossen and I. It's gonna come out on the seventh
Speaker 4: of January, So right as twenty twenty one starts, Oh
Speaker 4: my gosh, what's it called. It's called completely arbitrary. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I'm so happy that you laughed at that, of course.
Speaker 3: Okay, what's it about? What's the first EPI set about?
Speaker 4: Okay, so the first episode is actually about the Douglas fir,
Speaker 4: I believe is what the first one is going to be.
Speaker 4: We have a couple that we have lined up, and
Speaker 4: so we just decided that we are going to make
Speaker 4: it about the Douglas fer and the whole scheme. When
Speaker 4: I pitched this to my friend Alex, I was like, Alex, Okay,
Speaker 4: so you don't know much about trees, and he's like, yeah,
Speaker 4: I know, you know a lot about trees. I'm like, ah,
Speaker 4: you know, okay, I do. But so what if between
Speaker 4: you and I we just get together and we just
Speaker 4: kind of talk about trees and then we give them
Speaker 4: a rating. We review trees as if they were, you know,
Speaker 4: a material item that someone could be like, oh, oh,
Speaker 4: tell me about like what I'm gonna scroll down on
Speaker 4: the Amazon list of trees and then see all the
Speaker 4: different consumer reviews of it. That is basically what we're
Speaker 4: gonna do. We're gonna introduce the tree I'm gonna talk
Speaker 4: about it and say a right, So here's the facts,
Speaker 4: just the facts, blah blah blah, and he's gonna look
Speaker 4: at me like the tree's green, it's got leaves, and
Speaker 4: that's about all I know.
Speaker 3: Oh okay, y'all heard it here first, completely arbitrary. Get
Speaker 3: it okay. So it officially launches on January seventh, but
Speaker 3: I strongly begged Casey to put up an episode zero
Speaker 3: trailer so you can find it now and subscribe wherever
Speaker 3: you get podcasts. This is breaking news people. I am
Speaker 3: the TMZ of tree Gossip, but he is.
Speaker 4: A just a delight to talk to you. We've been
Speaker 4: friends for just years, probably decades by this point. And
Speaker 4: at the end of it, we're gonna give a rating
Speaker 4: out of I think, what did we decide? Ten golden
Speaker 4: cones of honor? Okay, it came out just randomly when
Speaker 4: we're sitting there. And then afterwards, we're gonna take a
Speaker 4: question that someone gives us and we're gonna answer it.
Speaker 4: So if someone's like, hey, uh, what is a ectomycro
Speaker 4: rhizal fung guy, then we're gonna talk about that.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
Speaker 4: So that's the plan, and it's gonna be like thirty minutes.
Speaker 4: You know, you're on your bike, you're riding, uh, you're
Speaker 4: riding work, you're on the bus, you're driving on thirty minutes,
Speaker 4: listen to Casey and Alex talk about trees. Laugh a
Speaker 4: little bit, cry a little bit, you know, mostly because
Speaker 4: I probably am gonna rate some trees that people really
Speaker 4: like pretty pretty severely.
Speaker 3: I was gonna say, there's gotta be trees on your
Speaker 3: ship list.
Speaker 4: I don't know if you recall me talking about apple trees.
Speaker 3: Oh yes, I remember.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there are some shitless trees and they're they're gonna
Speaker 4: come out. We don't know when, you know, we got
Speaker 4: to pepper them in there, you know, every now and
Speaker 4: then and keep we want to keep the vibe high.
Speaker 4: So everyone's like, oh, this is a nice positive podcast, right,
Speaker 4: But then every now and then it's probably gonna be like, oh,
Speaker 4: we're gonna we're gonna be talking about the myrobian plum, Like,
Speaker 4: oh my god, don't even get me started.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, you're gonna spill the tree on it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we're gonna yeah, it's it's gonna be it's gonna
Speaker 4: be pretty rough. Oh I'm so excited that comes out
Speaker 4: on the seventh, January seventh, So.
Speaker 3: It's completely arbitrary or to completely.
Speaker 4: Oh, it is completely arbitrary, trust me. But it's also
Speaker 4: called completely arbitrary, but specifically because we're we're doing this
Speaker 4: over the radio. It's a R B O R trairie.
Speaker 3: I had a feeling. I had a feeling.
Speaker 4: Yeah. As we were discussing, I was like, you know what, Alex,
Speaker 4: I don't think we should make a pun name. And
Speaker 4: then what do we make it a punny name?
Speaker 3: So you have to have to is the podcast art
Speaker 3: just going to be a bunch of your tattoos?
Speaker 1: You know, it might as well be.
Speaker 4: But I think it's going to be a cone. We're
Speaker 4: just getting that figured out and solidifying that. We just
Speaker 4: got some of the artwork put in today, so we
Speaker 4: don't Yeah, so we got I think it's going to
Speaker 4: be a cone and then kind of a thing on
Speaker 4: top that says completely arbitrary, kind of arked over it.
Speaker 3: So excited, Okay, really quick break to hear about sponsors
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Speaker 3: Okay, Now, if you are looking to cultivate your own
Speaker 3: armory doom, who is a good gardener for that? Also?
Speaker 3: Do you want to shout out your tattoo artist?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 4: Yes, name John Heabrink I have with a blood root
Speaker 4: tattoo here in Portland Cool. He is such a delight,
Speaker 4: just one of the nicest people I've ever met, just
Speaker 4: an incredible artist.
Speaker 3: Does he like trees more? Since working on you?
Speaker 4: I did? You know? I wouldn't say more, but you
Speaker 4: know what I really dig And why I've I've kept
Speaker 4: going back to him now like several times, is that
Speaker 4: each time I give him a you know, a thing,
Speaker 4: like say hey, I want this, and then I'm very specific.
Speaker 4: I'm like, no, no, this is not a this is
Speaker 4: a fur cone, or this is a this kind of cone,
Speaker 4: or this is that kind of cone rather than a
Speaker 4: pine cone. That's That's maybe that's a myth I should
Speaker 4: I should do is that everyone will always say, oh,
Speaker 4: that looks like, well, well I love that dug fur
Speaker 4: pine cone, and it's like, no, that's a that's a
Speaker 4: dug fur cone because it's not a pine you see,
Speaker 4: and it's It's one of those things where you know,
Speaker 4: you learn and then you like for thirty seconds start
Speaker 4: calling people out. Then you realize that you're trying to like,
Speaker 4: you know, stop a tide, and you're like, just let
Speaker 4: it go. It's not that important. And so whenever I
Speaker 4: give things to him and I'm like, hey, Sean, I
Speaker 4: have this very specific thing with this very specific purpose,
Speaker 4: with these very specific like biological or you know whatever meanings,
Speaker 4: and he picks up on it and like finds it
Speaker 4: to a t and then knows it. So like I
Speaker 4: told him about this fungus and then he looked it
Speaker 4: up himself, so he was making sure that he was
Speaker 4: drawing it right. Then when he posted it on his
Speaker 4: social media, he like called out the fungus by the
Speaker 4: scientific name and all these things. Was like, you're the best.
Speaker 4: So he takes it, you know, I guess personally, and
Speaker 4: then really gives it a good a good piece of
Speaker 4: art because he he knows exactly that I'm not looking
Speaker 4: for just like, oh, I want a pine cone, He's like, no,
Speaker 4: I'm getting a Carolina hemlock cone. It looks exactly like this.
Speaker 4: Don't just randomly look up hemlock cone or find some
Speaker 4: other random stuff.
Speaker 3: But you know, you know, when something is on someone's
Speaker 3: body until they die, that's a lot of responsibility, right.
Speaker 3: I don't want to be like the no regrets tattoo
Speaker 3: of trees exactly.
Speaker 4: Yeah, No, I agree, and I had to. I have
Speaker 4: to like think about that whenever I see other everyone
Speaker 4: else's head and I judge them, like not judging it,
Speaker 4: like is that good or bad? But I'm like, okay,
Speaker 4: I know that that's a ponderosa pine, but that's a hit.
Speaker 4: But those are not pine needles? What are those? So yeah,
Speaker 4: I've seen tattoos like oh okay, let me give you
Speaker 4: an example. Things that are in the lily family, lily aca.
Speaker 4: They are defined more or less now I'm gonna say
Speaker 4: more by having things in parts of three. So every
Speaker 4: lily that you've ever seen or anything in the lily
Speaker 4: family will have three petals, three sepals, or six or
Speaker 4: nine or twelve. It's all these in multiples of three.
Speaker 4: These things come in three. And so I saw this
Speaker 4: and this was like some random book years and years
Speaker 4: ago where it was clearly a lily, like one of
Speaker 4: those big lily flowers that you can get from you know,
Speaker 4: half the stores when they're in bloom, and it only
Speaker 4: had five petals. And I was like, uh, oh, someone
Speaker 4: didn't do their research.
Speaker 3: And it's so when the more permanent, it is honestly
Speaker 3: the worst.
Speaker 4: Exactly, Well, what my first tattoo. I don't know if
Speaker 4: I told you this. It's a backwards music note.
Speaker 3: Oh man, buckle up, because you're about to love this
Speaker 3: guy even more.
Speaker 1: Did I tell you this?
Speaker 4: No? No? Oh my god. So my very first set too.
Speaker 4: I think I was a freshman in college and I
Speaker 4: was like, I want to go get a tattoo. It's
Speaker 4: gonna be gbu cool. I'm cool. And then I went
Speaker 4: I went to get it, and I was like, all right,
Speaker 4: I just want this music. And I think it's a
Speaker 4: I think it's a quarter note. It's a music note,
Speaker 4: one that comes up and then goes over and goes
Speaker 4: back down. So I put it on and I was
Speaker 4: looking in the mirror and I was like, oh man, no,
Speaker 4: it's backwards. So you know, we gotta flip that around.
Speaker 4: And the tattoo doors like, oh yeah, cool, let's slop
Speaker 4: it around. So we flipped it around. We tattooed on me.
Speaker 4: I was super stoked, and I went over and I
Speaker 4: was showing my friends and all my friends were like, oh,
Speaker 4: you got a tattoo, CAZy, Wow, that's great. And then
Speaker 4: a week later they couldn't bring themselves to tell me,
Speaker 4: and we're all like, you know, sitting around hanging out
Speaker 4: in one of my friend's apartments and they're like, hazy,
Speaker 4: your tattoos backwards and like all it wants is just
Speaker 4: kind of shouted it out and I was like what.
Speaker 4: And then for the first time, I actually instead of
Speaker 4: looking in the mirror, I looked down at my own
Speaker 4: chest and I was like, oh my god, it is backwards.
Speaker 4: And that's been a thing my friend another friend friend
Speaker 4: was like, you know what, just get all your tattoos
Speaker 4: back now. Who cares? I No, No, I think if
Speaker 4: I had to correct it, it would it would get
Speaker 4: like three times as big because I have to get
Speaker 4: like the lines for the bar would have to be
Speaker 4: like big enough to cover the rest of the tattoo.
Speaker 4: So no, I just have a backwards music no tattooed
Speaker 4: on me.
Speaker 3: No, it's a lesson just to leave well enough alone.
Speaker 4: Exactly. But let me tell you, every time I look
Speaker 4: at it in the mirror, I'm like, that's a perfect
Speaker 4: music note. A.
Speaker 3: You're like, I got a shipload of backwards cones.
Speaker 4: But that note is exactly that is perfect. Yeah, it's exactly,
Speaker 4: It's exactly it. You know, it's a personal tattoo that's
Speaker 4: what I realized.
Speaker 3: Well, the last question I wanted to ask for this
Speaker 3: refresh is what ology would you really want to hear about.
Speaker 4: It would be something like I am so fascinated with
Speaker 4: the like how cities are designed and like what makes
Speaker 4: them work, what doesn't make them work? And obviously I
Speaker 4: work in a city, so I'm constantly like bombarded with this.
Speaker 4: But you have like the engineers who are trying to
Speaker 4: figure out how to make stormwater flow perfectly off the
Speaker 4: side of this curve down into this thing, and then
Speaker 4: there's other people who have to deal with like all right, well,
Speaker 4: how where the street light's gonna go? And then they
Speaker 4: do all these individual things, but just the larger planning
Speaker 4: where everyone's like, Okay, we're gonna make this city really
Speaker 4: cool and here's how and here's why. That is something
Speaker 4: I find fascinating.
Speaker 3: Oh that's a great one. That's an awesome one. I
Speaker 3: just recorded one with an urban rodentologist and we talked
Speaker 3: about sewer rats under Manhattan.
Speaker 4: That he is terrifying. I heard a story where a
Speaker 4: guy fell into a like a vault under a Manhattan
Speaker 4: sidewalk and there were rats, like it was filled with rats,
Speaker 4: and I was like that is a literal nightmare. Oh
Speaker 4: my god, I hope that guy's okay. He couldn't even yeah,
Speaker 4: I think he did, yeah, but he couldn't scream. He
Speaker 4: was down there for like forty five minutes with rats
Speaker 4: all around him until they could pull him out because
Speaker 4: he was like eight feet down and he couldn't scream
Speaker 4: because a rat would run.
Speaker 1: In his mouth.
Speaker 4: And it's like, oh my god, I'm shaking right now,
Speaker 4: you know.
Speaker 3: I will say that I did an episode with someone
Speaker 3: who studies like just gratitude and depression and what to
Speaker 3: do to get yourself kind of out of a funk,
Speaker 3: and smelling trees and like phinochemicals in general for like
Speaker 3: twenty minutes a day was said to make people a
Speaker 3: lot happier. And that might be the secret of your
Speaker 3: success or, like you might be why you're just like
Speaker 3: the coolest, jolliest person is because you're just in trees
Speaker 3: all the time.
Speaker 4: Man, I hope that that's the case. You know what
Speaker 4: is funny about that there's a famous arborist like researcher,
Speaker 4: and his slogan was touch trees. Alex schi goes his name,
Speaker 4: and so all of his books, like you open it
Speaker 4: up on the very front they say touch trees because
Speaker 4: he's just like, go out and touch trees. Like people
Speaker 4: don't do that anymore. So maybe that should be my
Speaker 4: slogan from now and it's just smell trees. That's gonna
Speaker 4: do it.
Speaker 1: That's great.
Speaker 3: I checked today. You have nine thousand Instagram followers.
Speaker 4: I just hit nine thousand, just like three days ago.
Speaker 3: What did I tell you, dude? I was like, I
Speaker 3: tested you the day before it went up, and I
Speaker 3: was like, Casey, you get that Instagram up and You're like,
Speaker 3: I'm in the middle of the forest. I was like,
Speaker 3: can you get cell service? You put that up? Because
Speaker 3: trust me, people are going to want to learn about
Speaker 3: trees with you. You know, book agents, lit agents. How
Speaker 3: do they get in touch with you? Yeah, guess they
Speaker 3: DM you on your Instagram.
Speaker 4: You've become my social media manager just by almost like
Speaker 4: slapping me in the head and you me like, Casey,
Speaker 4: just go do this, geez, get it done.
Speaker 3: So ask charming and knowledgeable people gnarly questions because it'll
Speaker 3: change the way that you look at those limbs out
Speaker 3: the window. And plus, we're all going to die one day,
Speaker 3: so you might as well just appreciate things more and
Speaker 3: ask about them. And you can follow Casey on Instagram
Speaker 3: at Clap four Trees as well as his podcast. Both
Speaker 3: of those are going to be linked in the show
Speaker 3: notes his podcasting. It is completely arbitrary. You can already
Speaker 3: subscribe to the trailer and get the first episode when
Speaker 3: it drops on January seventh. I think that we should
Speaker 3: all wear brown pants in a green sweater on January
Speaker 3: seventh and celebrate.
Speaker 1: Who's with me?
Speaker 3: No one? I'm doing it anyway. Okay, so we are
Speaker 3: at all jez on Instagram and Twitter. I'm at Ali
Speaker 3: Ward with one L on both, and you can be
Speaker 3: a patron at patreon dot com slash ologies. We have
Speaker 3: so many good episodes coming up. You can submit questions
Speaker 3: for Ologies Merch including masks, which I know you're already wearing,
Speaker 3: is available at ologiesmerch dot com. And thank you Shannon
Speaker 3: Felts and Bunny Dutch of the Comedy podcast You are
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Speaker 3: Emily White, Caleb Patton, Noel Dilworth who all make the
Speaker 3: show possible with their very hard work, as well as
Speaker 3: assistant editor and full time hottie Jared Sleeper and Treevin
Speaker 3: Ray Morris aka Stephen, who hosts the per cast and
Speaker 3: ce Jurassic Right. Nick Thorburn wrote the theme music. And
Speaker 3: if you stick around to the end of the episode,
Speaker 3: you know I tell you a secret, and this one
Speaker 3: is that sometimes when walnuts go bad, they taste kind
Speaker 3: of like if you ate paint. But I kind of
Speaker 3: like them that way because it reminds me of moving
Speaker 3: into a new place and having like fresh adventures and
Speaker 3: getting to put your stuff in cabinets and stuff. Anyway,
Speaker 3: I think this means that the walnuts are rancid. But
Speaker 3: I haven't died yet, so it's good. Fine, all right,
Speaker 3: see you back next week. We'll have full, brand new
Speaker 3: episodes all for twenty twenty one. Meanwhile, I'm just gonna
Speaker 3: be on the couch eating Stroup waffles and balling to
Speaker 3: the new Pixar film. Also, COVID is still very much
Speaker 3: a thing. So let's all stay in for New Year,
Speaker 3: shall we? Yeah? Okay, great touch. Some trees have some bark,
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