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Speaker 5: February twenty fourteen, Aspen socialite Nancy Fister was murdered in
Speaker 5: her own home, brutally bludgeoned, wrapped in a sheet, and
Speaker 5: stuffed inside a locked closet. Fewer than twelve hours after
Speaker 5: her body was found and without any evidence, police decided
Speaker 5: a married couple from Denver had killed her. Within a
Speaker 5: few days, they arrested and charged Nancy Styler, a friend
Speaker 5: of Fisters who had a falling out with her after
Speaker 5: a business deal went sour, and doctor Trey Styler, Nancy's
Speaker 5: disabled husband, who recently lost a family home, his medical
Speaker 5: practice in any hope of a peaceful retirement for himself
Speaker 5: and his wife. Eleven days later, police charged Kathy Carpenter,
Speaker 5: Fister's underpaid and overworked personal assistant and closest friend. Months later,
Speaker 5: Trey Styler, who was slowly losing his grip on realities
Speaker 5: he battled with mental illness, confessed to the crime. Rampant
Speaker 5: speculation spread about whether he was involved at all, or
Speaker 5: if his confession was that of a man on his
Speaker 5: deathbed because a medical condition appeared to have left him
Speaker 5: barely able to walk, much less carry out such a
Speaker 5: heinous crime. And then the only interview before his death,
Speaker 5: Trey gives his account of that faithful day. New York
Speaker 5: Times bestselling author Dayleen Barry covers this compelling story from
Speaker 5: the inside, following the Stylers from their fairy tale life
Speaker 5: in Denver to the morning of their simultaneous arrest, to
Speaker 5: Nancy's release from jail and her attempt to rebuild her
Speaker 5: shattered life. The book that we're featuring this evening is
Speaker 5: Guilt by Matrimony with my special guest, journalist and author
Speaker 5: Dayleen Berry. Welcome back to the program and thank you
Speaker 5: for a Greenness interview, Dayleen Berry, Thank you Dan, Thank
Speaker 5: you Dayleen. Incredible story. Like I say, it never ceases
Speaker 5: to surprise me, some of these stories, so and this
Speaker 5: one is very very surprising. So let's get right to
Speaker 5: as we as I spoke to in the introduction. Let's
Speaker 5: talk talk about first about Nancy Styler and a little
Speaker 5: bit of her life. And she has a sister named
Speaker 5: Cindy and her mother's name Tess. So tell us a
Speaker 5: little bit about her life, and before we talk about
Speaker 5: how her and Trey met and ventured into this life
Speaker 5: that we will we'll talk about in this and you
Speaker 5: do so well in this book. So tell us a
Speaker 5: little bit about Nancy Styler before she met her husband, Trey.
Speaker 6: She was educated in the Boston area and started working
Speaker 6: at a makeup counter at an upscale department stour when
Speaker 6: she was sixteen. And then she went to college in
Speaker 6: France and was educated there as an anesthesist. Now in
Speaker 6: France she would have had the equivalent of a medical degree,
Speaker 6: but when I believe it was the Gailier you got
Speaker 6: all the American students, she was forced to return to
Speaker 6: the US sence she finished her studies here in the
Speaker 6: US and became an anste zeologist an instructor in the
Speaker 6: antesiologist program in Colorado, and that's where she met Trey Styler.
Speaker 7: Now, tell us a little bit about Trey Styler and
Speaker 7: his life before they met.
Speaker 6: Well. Trey came from the Oklahoma area, and he was
Speaker 6: born into a family that had made a good bit
Speaker 6: of money. They seemed to have money, but Nancy said
Speaker 6: that through his father's business that they made more money.
Speaker 6: Trey also said that before he died, and his mother
Speaker 6: was pretty frugal and was able to build make a
Speaker 6: lot more money out of what she had saved, and
Speaker 6: they had put into stocks and bonds. So he came
Speaker 6: from a pretty wealthy family. And the other important thing
Speaker 6: about the family is that they had a serious problem
Speaker 6: with depression. His mother, his brother, and Trey himself and
Speaker 6: the younger brother actually committed suicide, and when the police
Speaker 6: found his brother, they called Trey to come and identify
Speaker 6: the body because their parents were in Texas on a
Speaker 6: business trip at the time.
Speaker 7: Right, now, tell us about his successful rise in his profession,
Speaker 7: and then you can tell us about how the two met.
Speaker 6: Well. Trey was at first not a great college student
Speaker 6: and he actually his father because he wanted to party.
Speaker 6: He took him out of college and said, you need
Speaker 6: to go to work because I'm not paying for college
Speaker 6: if this is how you're going to spend my money.
Speaker 6: And so Trey went to work for a while and
Speaker 6: while he was working, I believe it's an orderly in
Speaker 6: a hospital. And he decided he liked that field, and
Speaker 6: so he applied to medical school and eventually he was
Speaker 6: accepted and became a de and he from that went
Speaker 6: into the field of anesthesiology. And what was so interesting
Speaker 6: about his work is that he was so gentle and
Speaker 6: kind that there were patients, not only fellow people in
Speaker 6: the professional field he worked in, like nurses and other
Speaker 6: doctors that sought out his services as an anesthesiologist, but
Speaker 6: he had a lot of patients who were pretty wealthy
Speaker 6: and they would request him, even from other hospitals. At
Speaker 6: times they refused to let anybody else do their anesthesia,
Speaker 6: and he just had this air of compassion and empathy
Speaker 6: and reassured the patient that he would take good care
Speaker 6: of them. And in addition to that, he was adept
Speaker 6: at understanding that if a person was afraid, that could
Speaker 6: actually lead to a case of being scared to death,
Speaker 6: literally being scared to death, and so he was really
Speaker 6: good at keeping them relaxed and talking them out of
Speaker 6: the fear before they had surgery, so much to the
Speaker 6: point where people who had previously been so afraid and
Speaker 6: refused to ever have surgery again, he was able to
Speaker 6: talk them back into that and they after that was
Speaker 6: never using never excsiologists.
Speaker 7: Now you talk about the gentle man that Trey Styler
Speaker 7: was in his again unusual treatment of patients, and that
Speaker 7: was very endearing to a lot of people, including Nancy.
Speaker 7: So tell us how they met and again her first reaction, again,
Speaker 7: her reaction of Trey. When she did meet him.
Speaker 6: She was teaching in the anesthesia department and he was
Speaker 6: a resident and so he was technically her student. And
Speaker 6: the first time she interacted with him, she heard him
Speaker 6: tell a female patient exactly what would be going on
Speaker 6: during the procedure and how he would be taking care
Speaker 6: of her, and he walked her through stuff by step,
Speaker 6: and Nancy said that he was just so gentle and caring.
Speaker 6: It was unlike many other of the residents that she
Speaker 6: had seen, who would just simply put the mask over
Speaker 6: the patient and then count backwards without telling them anything
Speaker 6: that they were going to do, and she was very
Speaker 6: impressed by that. So over the course of about a
Speaker 6: year they started going out, and then eventually they were
Speaker 6: separated for a while because story had a rotation in
Speaker 6: another part of the state in Colorado, and then they
Speaker 6: got back together several months later and started dating and
Speaker 6: then ended up getting married a year or two later.
Speaker 7: What was the characteristic She found him very gentle in
Speaker 7: terms of him professionally, what was leading up to the
Speaker 7: marriage and all indications of from the beginning that they met.
Speaker 7: What was his character like.
Speaker 6: Well, he was very kind and he was also very gentle.
Speaker 6: That was Those were the two adjectives that she used
Speaker 6: to describe him over and over again. And actually many
Speaker 6: of the professional people at the hospital he worked at
Speaker 6: where he eventually became the chief of anisthesiology in his department,
Speaker 6: they said the same thing, that they had never seen
Speaker 6: him backed in a way that was angry or caused
Speaker 6: any alarm or concern. He was just a very gentleman.
Speaker 6: In fact, Nancy was on the back end of a divorce.
Speaker 6: Her first marriage had ended and she and her first
Speaker 6: husband divorce, and when she met Trey he joked that
Speaker 6: she he really appreciated her first husband because he kept her, uh,
Speaker 6: Nancy as a playfolder. He kept he kept a playfolder
Speaker 6: so that Trey could flipped in. And Trey never looked
Speaker 6: at himself with somebody that would win a woman like
Speaker 6: Nancy's heart, because he was booking. She was a geek.
Speaker 6: He didn't, you know, stand out in any way except
Speaker 6: this gentle kind character that he had.
Speaker 7: Now we talk about they being married. They met, they married,
Speaker 7: and they also have plans for a child. So within
Speaker 7: three years they have a child. So tell us a
Speaker 7: little bit about what their decision is as a couple
Speaker 7: to do now that they do have the child, and
Speaker 7: so tell us how things change as a result.
Speaker 6: Well, they changed in the fact that Nancy had been
Speaker 6: doing work with patients and she felt like it was
Speaker 6: not safe to continue doing that pregnant. She didn't want
Speaker 6: to put her child at risk, and so they decided
Speaker 6: together that she would leave her profession in medical field.
Speaker 6: And that was something she wanted to do because she
Speaker 6: wanted to be a full time mother. And at that
Speaker 6: time she began getting into botany, and she became very
Speaker 6: skilled in the field of botany, fell in love with
Speaker 6: a flower called the Victoria lily, which has an eight
Speaker 6: foot in circumference their diameter excuse me, lily pad. And
Speaker 6: these are typically grown in the Amazon rainforest in Brazil,
Speaker 6: and so she fell in love with its flower and
Speaker 6: on a trip to Amazon at that time they could
Speaker 6: bring some home. Since then it's become illegal, but they
Speaker 6: brought home some seedlings basically and started planning them there.
Speaker 6: And before long their home had become what the Denver
Speaker 6: Botanical Society called UH jokingly, I believe uh Denver Botanical
Speaker 6: West because their whole garden, their whole garden in the
Speaker 6: backyard was built and designed to cultivate these Victoria lilies.
Speaker 6: And it was in that setting that she and her
Speaker 6: husband raised their son Trey, continued working at the head
Speaker 6: of the antistesiology department.
Speaker 7: Now, is this the home that they built that you
Speaker 7: talk about and you show a photo in the book
Speaker 7: of the two point two million? Were they at that
Speaker 7: point where they built this dream home, including these incredible
Speaker 7: gardens that she had become this master gardener.
Speaker 6: Yes, And the gardens were built over a period of
Speaker 6: several years. She kept adding to them every year, and
Speaker 6: the home was that two point two million home which
Speaker 6: was exclibit just it had, you know, everything you can
Speaker 6: want can front, including it into a waterfall. At that time.
Speaker 6: They had a theater room, which was uncommon at that time.
Speaker 6: It's more common nowadays with some homes. Just a lot
Speaker 6: of amenities and that beautiful home.
Speaker 7: Now in terms of lifestyle, it was there anything other
Speaker 7: than this, again, the appearance of normalcy behind the scenes,
Speaker 7: raising their son Daniel, and tell us a little bit
Speaker 7: about again organics in her interest in organic agriculture and horticulture.
Speaker 7: So tell us if there was anything beyond this veil
Speaker 7: of normalcy behind the scenes.
Speaker 6: Well, at first there was not. The only thing that
Speaker 6: was going on in the early years when their son
Speaker 6: was growing up was Nancy had become such an adept expert.
Speaker 6: I mean, she really excelled at gardening, and before long
Speaker 6: she was teaching gardening classes. She was traveling around the
Speaker 6: country speaking to different conservatories. And in addition, she and
Speaker 6: Trey and their son Daniel were cultivating these Victoria lilies
Speaker 6: which they would then send either the seedlings or the
Speaker 6: plants around the country and sometimes even the well every
Speaker 6: year they said them around the world to different conservatories,
Speaker 6: and they would a lot of times, they didn't even
Speaker 6: charge for them. The way it was like a gift
Speaker 6: to the world, and everybody that knew their work and
Speaker 6: the extent of how much volunteerism was involved in it
Speaker 6: was just amazed at how just gracious and generous they were.
Speaker 7: Now, let's talk a little bit about some of the
Speaker 7: bad times that begin to happen, and so let's talk
Speaker 7: about Trey's health and what eventually does happen to him.
Speaker 7: In terms of his health.
Speaker 6: Well, in nineteen ninety nine, he started developing He'd had
Speaker 6: foot problems for quite a while, but nobody really knew
Speaker 6: that it was a symptom of anything. Nancy said, his
Speaker 6: feet just looked weird. But he started having problems in
Speaker 6: nineteen ninety nine, and that was when he was having
Speaker 6: trouble basically walking and making his legs work. He noticed
Speaker 6: some muscle symptoms, things that he thought were problematic with
Speaker 6: his muscles, and so he went to one doctor after another,
Speaker 6: and the first diagnosi is that he received was not
Speaker 6: actually the correct one, Nancy believes, but he ended up
Speaker 6: the illness. The symptoms kept getting worse, and so the
Speaker 6: doctors were prescribing one medication after another just to try
Speaker 6: to help him function so that he could continue working
Speaker 6: and have a normal life. And it was during this
Speaker 6: time that he got so bad that he was having
Speaker 6: to use a scooter to get around because he would
Speaker 6: just be worn out from walking very far. He figured
Speaker 6: out one time that he was walking an average of
Speaker 6: seven miles a day on his medical rounds to see
Speaker 6: all his patients. And so what the turning point finally
Speaker 6: came when he couldn't remember whether he had given a
Speaker 6: patient the medicine that he needed before the patient was anesthesized,
Speaker 6: and he realized in retrospect that it was a life
Speaker 6: or decision and it was a mistake that he just
Speaker 6: couldn't live with. So he at that time gave up
Speaker 6: his job.
Speaker 7: So how did that change their life at that moment.
Speaker 6: Well, for a while it was it was okay because
Speaker 6: they had a lot of money in savings, but then
Speaker 6: it turned out that the insurance that he had been
Speaker 6: paying for wasn't It wasn't as much as they thought
Speaker 6: it was going to be. In addition to that, he
Speaker 6: had been in the process of trying to develop this
Speaker 6: piece of computer software and he was a part of
Speaker 6: this antisseusiology group that had formed their own corporation, and
Speaker 6: they actually hired him to finish that software, and he
Speaker 6: brought on a computer program programmer to do that, to
Speaker 6: help him do that. And then somehow during the course
Speaker 6: of the next several years, what happened was it looks
Speaker 6: like that, well it doesn't look like this is actually
Speaker 6: what happened. The Antistesiology group claimed software is their own,
Speaker 6: and Trey tried to take them to court to fight it,
Speaker 6: and in the ensuing lawsuit, he basically ran the family dry.
Speaker 6: He paid this attorney eight hundred thousand dollars to fight
Speaker 6: this case, and the attorney actually was guilty in no
Speaker 6: practice because he didn't even do what he was hired
Speaker 6: to do. So with the money gone then, of course,
Speaker 6: by then his job was gone. They had to give
Speaker 6: up their home and you know, moved to a smaller place,
Speaker 6: and by then they were living on Trey's disability and
Speaker 6: what little bit of money Nancy was bringing in, which
Speaker 6: wasn't much.
Speaker 7: We mentioned you mentioned earlier about the history of his
Speaker 7: family with depression. Tell us about what ensues in terms
Speaker 7: of again we might be jumping a little bit ahead,
Speaker 7: but what this Prussian manifests in terms of a threat
Speaker 7: to the family of his again the suicide. So let's
Speaker 7: let's talk a little bit about just this depression leading
Speaker 7: to Tray's whether it's it's not very serious, but it
Speaker 7: is a threat of suicide.
Speaker 6: Yes, yes, And actually that started when he stopped working
Speaker 6: until the time when he was While he was working,
Speaker 6: even though he was ill, he was he seemed to
Speaker 6: be okay. But then when he had to give up
Speaker 6: his job, he started becoming very introspective and kind of
Speaker 6: pulling away from people. He would have angry outbursts, nothing
Speaker 6: to the point of violently striking anyone, but he would
Speaker 6: just have these frustrated fits of anger where he was
Speaker 6: upset over his condition and he said he'd be better
Speaker 6: off dead. And that seemed to be the first of it,
Speaker 6: and Nancy didn't take it very seriously. But then over
Speaker 6: time from the illness, he became more and more depressed.
Speaker 6: And as the lawsuit progressed and he ended up giving
Speaker 6: this attorney so much money, that was part of the
Speaker 6: depression too. You know, what came first and what the
Speaker 6: end result was can be debatable. Whether it was the
Speaker 6: depression and then that led to his bad decisions with
Speaker 6: the attorney or whether it was the attorney's actions and
Speaker 6: then you know that led to the depression. We don't know.
Speaker 6: But what we do know is that he was being
Speaker 6: treated for this depression and he was taking several drugs
Speaker 6: by that time, both for what they thought was then
Speaker 6: some type of a similar form of Blue Garrett's disease
Speaker 6: at the time and the depression he was being treated
Speaker 6: for all that those problems.
Speaker 7: Now you talked about the two point two million dollar home,
Speaker 7: and it's a beautiful home and you have a great
Speaker 7: photo of it in the book. They had to sell
Speaker 7: for eight hundred and forty thousand. So we've already outlined
Speaker 7: the conditions that these people are not in great condition
Speaker 7: financially whatsoever, in physically, and so their luck has turned
Speaker 7: to say the least. Now with the selling of that home,
Speaker 7: they are looking for a fresh start. So what do
Speaker 7: they where do they look to and what do they
Speaker 7: do in this bid for a fresh start.
Speaker 6: Well, they actually they actually rented a couple of different
Speaker 6: homes before they went to Aspen, and during that time
Speaker 6: they tried a couple of businesses, one which was a
Speaker 6: printing business, the other I don't remember off the top
Speaker 6: of my head. But neither one of those lasted very
Speaker 6: long for different reasons, nothing that was essential to the
Speaker 6: outcome of the story.
Speaker 8: In the book.
Speaker 6: But what they did decide, and this is Nancy's idea,
Speaker 6: She wanted to open up a medical spa because she
Speaker 6: felt that with her training that she received in France
Speaker 6: and her knowledge of and as an aspetition, she felt
Speaker 6: that she could provide people with beauty treatments such as
Speaker 6: botox and different things like that. And she felt like
Speaker 6: they could invest what little bit of money they had
Speaker 6: left into some equipment and training, and then they could
Speaker 6: open up a medical spat and they weren't sure where
Speaker 6: to do it.
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Speaker 6: But there was somebody in the Colorado area that suggested
Speaker 6: they go in the Denver area that suggested they go
Speaker 6: to Aspen, and so they checked out Aspen and a
Speaker 6: couple of people there were very very encouraging. One was
Speaker 6: a local businesswoman, Rita Bellina, who owns the Queen Bee,
Speaker 6: and she said, oh, yeah, you could definitely make a
Speaker 6: living here. So with that encouragement, they went up there
Speaker 6: several times and until they found a home treat and
Speaker 6: that's where they that's where the story started with Sister
Speaker 6: and they planned to open their medical spot.
Speaker 7: Now, they initially meet Nancy Fister and they look at
Speaker 7: they they'd try to judge her character from the very beginning,
Speaker 7: tell us about the background of Nancy Fister, which they
Speaker 7: don't know when they first meet her, but tell us
Speaker 7: a little bit about her background that they eventually, unfortunately
Speaker 7: find out about a little too late.
Speaker 6: Nancy Fister was, by everyone's accounts in the Aspen area,
Speaker 6: a party girl, and she was a heavy drinker. She
Speaker 6: had a problem with alcoholism. She used a lot of painkillers.
Speaker 6: She would daily take handfills of pills with her champagne,
Speaker 6: this stink champagne that she preferred to drink. And it
Speaker 6: seemed that according to the people that knew her well,
Speaker 6: that she would be intoxicated by name every day.
Speaker 7: Now she's the goddaughter of Hunter S. Thompson. As such,
Speaker 7: she talks about her background and uses that to her
Speaker 7: advantage to gain leverage over people. And as you describe
Speaker 7: in the book, she never has her hands in her
Speaker 7: own pockets to pay for anything. So tell us about
Speaker 7: some of the dealings with people and what characterizes Nancy
Speaker 7: Fister at this time in her life. When Trey and
Speaker 7: Nancy meet.
Speaker 6: Her, she is actually in the fall wanting to go
Speaker 6: to Australia because she has gotten to the point in
Speaker 6: her life where she doesn't like the cold, snowy weather
Speaker 6: in Aspen. So she was making plans to travel to
Speaker 6: Australia for a few months. She thought she might invest
Speaker 6: her mother's inheritance, which she was due to receive in
Speaker 6: November two thousand and thirteen, and she wanted to get
Speaker 6: that out of the way. And then she did what
Speaker 6: she usually did in a later time. She put an
Speaker 6: ad in the paper to rent out her home, and
Speaker 6: the stylers saw that ad and they answered it, and
Speaker 6: that's how they met her. She was unfortunately known for
Speaker 6: kicking her tenants out early almost without fail every time,
Speaker 6: including people, but she had rented too that she considered
Speaker 6: close friends. But the Stylers, of course, being outsiders and
Speaker 6: not from the area, we're not familiar with that pattern.
Speaker 7: Now in their first conversation when they do answer this ad,
Speaker 7: that's very interesting. What is the end result of that conversation?
Speaker 7: And in regards to Nancy and her enthusiasm they've had,
Speaker 7: they went from incredible luck and fortune and wealth and
Speaker 7: affluence to the exact opposite. So she is looking for
Speaker 7: again this fresh start. They have been convinced to move
Speaker 7: to aspen As that this would be a great place
Speaker 7: for those kinds of people, the kind of people and
Speaker 7: couple that they were so tell us about this phone
Speaker 7: call they have with Nancy Fister and why is it
Speaker 7: so encouraging to Nancy and Trey.
Speaker 6: Well, they couldn't find a house to rent that would
Speaker 6: one either accommodate trays disability. He couldn't do stairs well,
Speaker 6: he could do them that, he couldn't do them well,
Speaker 6: and so they wanted something that would accommodate him. But
Speaker 6: in addition to that, he has he had an allergy
Speaker 6: a catalogy. So a lot of the humes that they
Speaker 6: looked at were hadn't been inhabited with kat, so it
Speaker 6: kind of made them a place difficult to find. And
Speaker 6: so when they came across the ad for sister's home,
Speaker 6: they Nancy actually called. And Nancy Fister thought that it
Speaker 6: was serendipity karma, if you will, that they wanted a
Speaker 6: home right away, and that she had one to rent
Speaker 6: and that met the criteria supposedly meth the criteria. So
Speaker 6: she told them to come right over because there was
Speaker 6: another family that was scheduled to show up and looked
Speaker 6: at it, but those that couple had children, and she
Speaker 6: didn't really want anybody with children in her home, and
Speaker 6: so she encouraged them to come over. And when they
Speaker 6: met her, she had you know, the usual champagne in
Speaker 6: her glass, and she was very very bubbly and social,
Speaker 6: and they took to her right away. She seemed very
Speaker 6: friendly and gracious, and they liked that. They thought that
Speaker 6: it was a one welcome And in addition to that,
Speaker 6: when she heard what they're playings were, she told them
Speaker 6: that they could open up their medical spa in her home.
Speaker 6: And they thought that that was just perfect because it
Speaker 6: would save them the cost of brning both a location
Speaker 6: for the spa and a place for them to live.
Speaker 7: Now, Nancy Fister is a really gregarious, like you say,
Speaker 7: a party girl. She's drinking champagne and again very outgoing
Speaker 7: and friendly and promising Nancy and Trey that they could
Speaker 7: they're welcome to come into her home and set up
Speaker 7: their business. But soon after the real character of Nancy
Speaker 7: Fister is evident. And what little things do Nancy and
Speaker 7: Trey find out almost immediately, well, they.
Speaker 6: Found out that she was, indeed, as you would say,
Speaker 6: a cheap skate. She didn't want to pay for anything
Speaker 6: out of clock that she would offer, she would not offer,
Speaker 6: but she would ask them, like to pick her up
Speaker 6: some of her champaigne that she liked when one of
Speaker 6: them was making a trip to Denver, and they thought
Speaker 6: that that meant she would repay them, and of course
Speaker 6: she thought that meant in her mind that that was
Speaker 6: just a gift that they were getting for her. And
Speaker 6: so little things like that happened. But in addition to that,
Speaker 6: she seemed to be very overly friendly with men, not
Speaker 6: with women, but with men, And Nancy was never jealous
Speaker 6: of sister's behavior, even though it extended to Trey and
Speaker 6: Trey wasn't the least bit looking at it as something
Speaker 6: that he would exercise the right to help himself to
Speaker 6: what this woman seemed to be offering, and she did
Speaker 6: a lot of the men who showed up there, but
Speaker 6: Nancy was just taken back by how blatant it was.
Speaker 6: And they saw several men come and go, different men
Speaker 6: that she would spend the night with there in her home,
Speaker 6: and it just was not what they expected.
Speaker 7: With this as well, with the drinking and the lifestyle
Speaker 7: and the various men dropping by, and then you talk
Speaker 7: about the arguments that she would have, but also that
Speaker 7: not so gradually the Trey and Nancy realized that they
Speaker 7: were almost her slave, that she would expect them to
Speaker 7: rubb her feet, rub her shoulders, go get this, go
Speaker 7: do that. So a lot of chauffeuring, a lot of
Speaker 7: personal things that she would get them to do. So
Speaker 7: they realized that this relationship came with many many strings attached,
Speaker 7: didn't it.
Speaker 6: Yes, And in fact that was part of the problem,
Speaker 6: and that was the growing frustration for Nancy Styler, not
Speaker 6: so much for Trey, because Trey actually wasn't around as
Speaker 6: much as Nancy was. She was going back and forth
Speaker 6: getting furniture and taking care of business where they'd lived before,
Speaker 6: but Nancy was there much more and expected to basically, yeah,
Speaker 6: be her servant.
Speaker 7: Now, tell us about the circumstances that Nancy Fister introduces
Speaker 7: Kathy Carpenter to Trey and Nancy.
Speaker 6: Kathy Carpenter was Nancy Fister's closest friend, and she was
Speaker 6: also like an unpaid personal assistant. She helped Nancy with
Speaker 6: her banking because Kathy was a bank teller at Alpine
Speaker 6: Bank and she had worked there for several years I
Speaker 6: believe about fifteen years, and she introduced her to Nancy
Speaker 6: and to Trey, and they actually shared the care of
Speaker 6: sister's labradoodle, a black labradoodle whose name was Gabe. He
Speaker 6: was a puppy, and so Nancy and Trey met Kathy
Speaker 6: under those circumstances, and before long before them were very
Speaker 6: very attached to Gabe, not just Fister and Carpenter, but
Speaker 6: also Nancy and Trey.
Speaker 7: Part of the attraction as friends between Kathy Carpenter and
Speaker 7: Nancy Fister was that, of course, being a party person,
Speaker 7: Nancy Fister was a drinker and Kathy was a drinker.
Speaker 7: But tell us about the why things were a strain
Speaker 7: between the relationship, especially with Kathy and Nancy.
Speaker 6: At that time, well, they became a strange. They were
Speaker 6: strained because Kathy was trying to become sober and she
Speaker 6: had started going to AA meetings and she was getting
Speaker 6: her life back on track, and she had a very
Speaker 6: hard time maintaining her sobriety when she was around Fister.
Speaker 6: So she was trying to put some distance between herself
Speaker 6: and Nancy Fister, and that actually came into play more
Speaker 6: after Fister left for Australia, but it had already started
Speaker 6: a little bit before sister went to Australia, and so
Speaker 6: Nancy saw that and thought that it was you know,
Speaker 6: she's a health care worker first and foremost. She takes
Speaker 6: care of people, and so she could discern that Kathy
Speaker 6: needed to be stronger, and she tried to encourage her
Speaker 6: at different times when she could too, to do what
Speaker 6: she had to and to not let sister have that
Speaker 6: hold over her anymore.
Speaker 7: Now we talked about Nancy's plan to go to Australia.
Speaker 7: So in this ensuing period between Trey and Nancy moving
Speaker 7: into this home, the promises of letting Trey and Nancy
Speaker 7: or Nancy operate her SPA out of this home. What
Speaker 7: happened in an ensuing period before she left Australia was
Speaker 7: their opinion of the prospect of this business being open
Speaker 7: in her home. Still on the forefront, did they still
Speaker 7: believe that? But what things had changed in terms of
Speaker 7: their assessment of the relationship with Nancy before she left
Speaker 7: us really.
Speaker 6: Well, in addition to the in addition to the feeling
Speaker 6: of servitude and of noticing that she was entitled and
Speaker 6: expected the world to revolve around her, they also realized
Speaker 6: that as and as they had paid the first six
Speaker 6: thousand dollars that they owed her, that she became a
Speaker 6: little bit difficult. And by that, I mean that she
Speaker 6: would she would become angry, and she would be uh,
Speaker 6: what's the word. She would be belittling to them, especially
Speaker 6: to Nancy sister, not like Nancy Styler, not so much Trey.
Speaker 8: She did.
Speaker 6: She definitely did not treat Trey as badly as she
Speaker 6: did his wife. And then there was the sense that
Speaker 6: she was not going to be It was kind of
Speaker 6: like her stories would change and they didn't know whether
Speaker 6: she was forgetting things because of the alcoholism or what.
Speaker 6: They thought maybe they could help her at first, Tray especially,
Speaker 6: but then they came to realize by the time she
Speaker 6: left for Australia that she was pretty much beyond help
Speaker 6: and they just wanted to be able to open their
Speaker 6: spa and live in her home and then you know,
Speaker 6: when she came back six months later.
Speaker 8: Originally that was.
Speaker 6: The plan, they would you know, have to have something
Speaker 6: different between by then. But once she left for Australia November, yes,
Speaker 6: the plan was still for them to open the spot
Speaker 6: in her home.
Speaker 7: Now let's fast forward a little bit to what happens
Speaker 7: during the trip that would have alarmed them or changed
Speaker 7: anything at all, and then the return from Australia and
Speaker 7: her behavior nancies well.
Speaker 6: Within two weeks of leaving for Australia, they were getting
Speaker 6: emails from her demanding the rest of the money and
Speaker 6: the total money that they owed from the time they
Speaker 6: moved in when she left for Australia. They actually were
Speaker 6: living there free until she left for Australia, because that
Speaker 6: was the charms that she gave them was if you
Speaker 6: move in here and help me get ready for Australia,
Speaker 6: you know, you can look for a month free. But anyway,
Speaker 6: there was a three month period and they were going
Speaker 6: to pay first, last, and present month's rent, so that
Speaker 6: would have been a total of twelve thousand dollars. And
Speaker 6: so they gave her six thousand before she left, and
Speaker 6: they were getting the other six thousand. There was a
Speaker 6: little bit of a lap, so it wasn't coming as
Speaker 6: quickly as they thought it would. But she became serious
Speaker 6: and within two weeks she was demanding the money, and
Speaker 6: within probably a week after that, she was demanding that
Speaker 6: they leave, basically saying they were trailer trash they needed
Speaker 6: to go back where they came from. And by the
Speaker 6: end of December, she was just all out in war
Speaker 6: with them through these emails, having her attorney call them
Speaker 6: and send them harrassing letters. She had looped in with
Speaker 6: CC's and her emails. The sheriff, the former sheriff, Bob
Speaker 6: brought us from the deputies, and she had even gone
Speaker 6: so far as ask law enforcement to evict them because
Speaker 6: they weren't paying, which wasn't true at all. They were
Speaker 6: laid in pain, but they actually did pay. But she
Speaker 6: just changed. It was just amazing her change. After she
Speaker 6: left for Australia.
Speaker 7: There was a point when Nancy bragged to Nancy Styler
Speaker 7: that she was close friends or family friends with the
Speaker 7: sheriff Joe de Silva. Is that correct?
Speaker 6: Yes, yes, she did. In fact, she said that she
Speaker 6: would go down there and shoot the ball all the time.
Speaker 7: Now tell us about Nancy's return, and at that point
Speaker 7: Nancy and Trey are planning to do what.
Speaker 6: Well by the time sister was well, let me back
Speaker 6: up a minute. Nancy and Trey realized in Janeanuary, it
Speaker 6: was not too long after January first, that they couldn't
Speaker 6: stay there and that they had to try to get
Speaker 6: out as soon as they could. So they actually began
Speaker 6: looking for other places to live. But in the meantime,
Speaker 6: sister kind of pulled the rug out from under them
Speaker 6: and gave them four days notice that she was returning
Speaker 6: onnor about February twenty second, and so they Kathy Carpenter,
Speaker 6: a couple of other friends of Carpenters came up and
Speaker 6: helped them load up the U haul to get all
Speaker 6: their stuff out. And then in those days when they
Speaker 6: were moving, Carpenter and the Skylar's traded cards because Carpenter
Speaker 6: had a station wagon that would accommodate more things in it,
Speaker 6: and she took their Jaguar to the airport on that
Speaker 6: Saturday to pick Fister up as she returned from Australia.
Speaker 7: And tell us at that point what was Kathy saying
Speaker 7: to Nancy in terms of about her friend Fister.
Speaker 6: She was telling Nancy that sister wanted her to get
Speaker 6: everything set up for her return, have her champagne on ice,
Speaker 6: have her bed made up the way she wanted it,
Speaker 6: have all their things out, and then at the last minute,
Speaker 6: she wanted to know if they didn't want to leave
Speaker 6: the home that weekend when she got in, if they
Speaker 6: would pay whatever the rate was for the hotel Jerome,
Speaker 6: which was I think like maybe two thousand the night,
Speaker 6: that she would just stay there and they could stay
Speaker 6: there for the weekend and continue moving because they weren't
Speaker 6: completely moved. Like I said, she only gave them four
Speaker 6: days notice. But then after they didn't do that. Of course,
Speaker 6: they went to the cheapest hotel they could find, the
Speaker 6: Abstronaut Lodge, and they moved everything they could into storage
Speaker 6: and went to the motel and hoped that everything would
Speaker 6: be okay when she came back, because what they had
Speaker 6: done after she left for Australia was they put all
Speaker 6: her valuables in the upstairs closet and walked it and
Speaker 6: Carpenter helped with this, and they did that to make
Speaker 6: sure everything was protected and nothing was damaged or stolen,
Speaker 6: and that was what she requested, and they did that.
Speaker 6: So they had to put everything back up, They had
Speaker 6: to hang pictures on the wall, they had to new furniture,
Speaker 6: they had to get everything back in order. Nancy had
Speaker 6: washed all of sister's linens and she had put them
Speaker 6: back in the house instead of having them in the
Speaker 6: basement where they'd been stored. And everything was just put
Speaker 6: back in order, and so they were in the hotel
Speaker 6: hoping that everything was okay. And what ultimately happened was
Speaker 6: that Sunday, when Carpenter and Trey traded vehicles back, Carpenter
Speaker 6: handed him an envelope on which Fister had written on
Speaker 6: the back that they owed her about fourteen thousand dollars
Speaker 6: in damages. The damageards were totally totally made up. They
Speaker 6: weren't There wasn't anything significance they had done that would
Speaker 6: have caused them to owe her fourteen thousand dollars. But
Speaker 6: what she said was was that since they hadn't gotten
Speaker 6: their spot equipment out of her home yet, which they
Speaker 6: hadn't even had a chance to use because as it
Speaker 6: turned out, there was a water problem that wouldn't let
Speaker 6: them set it up. She was going to hold on
Speaker 6: to that equipment, and it was about one hundred hundred
Speaker 6: and fifty thousand dollars worth of equipment. And so what
Speaker 6: Tray realized, and he didn't share this with Nancy because
Speaker 6: Nancy was becoming depressed over the whole situation, what Tray
Speaker 6: realized was that if Fister kept that equipment, they wouldn't
Speaker 6: be able to support themselves.
Speaker 7: Now, they did talk to some people. They did talk
Speaker 7: to Susan Worcoh And again there's dispute on what was
Speaker 7: said in the phone call, but apparently the sun Sam said,
Speaker 7: you know, if anything goes wrong there, if anything's taken
Speaker 7: from there, they'll blame you. So in response to what
Speaker 7: Nancy said she heard from Sam, what did they do
Speaker 7: in terms of contacting the police and why?
Speaker 6: Well, yeah, and that was a very important, important part
Speaker 6: of a story that a lot of the media didn't have.
Speaker 6: They didn't have the details of when they reported on
Speaker 6: this case. But Nancy actually called an attorney because a
Speaker 6: couple of people, including one of her sister's closest friends,
Speaker 6: advised her to check with an attorney and see what
Speaker 6: their rights were, and also to call the sheriff's department
Speaker 6: and ask if they would send a deputy up when
Speaker 6: they interacted with sister after her return, so that there
Speaker 6: would be you know, projection there if she grew angry
Speaker 6: and accused them of anything. So Nancy made that call
Speaker 6: to the show department, and she called twice two days
Speaker 6: in a row, and she was told that what they
Speaker 6: had to do was show up and if there was
Speaker 6: a problem then the police would come to their assistance.
Speaker 7: At that time, at that moment in time, Because this
Speaker 7: will be important. What was Trey's styler's health? What was
Speaker 7: his actual health like? And in terms of his bad health,
Speaker 7: what did that prevent him from doing?
Speaker 8: In practical terms, Well, his health was it was bad.
Speaker 6: I don't think it was as bad as everyone thought
Speaker 6: it was. And I'm not sure if I'm answering your
Speaker 6: question correctly, so he might need to redirect me. But
Speaker 6: he was still having trouble to some extent with stairs.
Speaker 8: But he was seeing.
Speaker 6: Lifting boxes as they were moving. People saw him lifting
Speaker 6: boxes and according to their son, Daniel. There would be
Speaker 6: times a lot of time when Trey actually could do
Speaker 6: a lot physically, but then he would pay for it
Speaker 6: because he would be so wiped out afterwards. Is that
Speaker 6: what you meant, right?
Speaker 7: Yes? Yes, So let's talk about the moving day and
Speaker 7: what Trey and Nancy experienced, at least what especially what
Speaker 7: Nancy saw and experienced that day. They had hired some
Speaker 7: movers to help them with this move as well, So
Speaker 7: tell us about what happened that day and Nancy's experience
Speaker 7: in that move.
Speaker 6: Okay, well, they had been moving for the four days,
Speaker 6: notice that they have, and then they were actually staying
Speaker 6: in a motel about Saturday night when sister came back.
Speaker 6: That was her first night in the hotel in the Asthmall.
Speaker 6: And then Sunday night they didn't hear from her, and
Speaker 6: on Monday morning they went up to her house to
Speaker 6: try to move the moving van that had gotten stuck
Speaker 6: in the snow and left there, and when they knocked
Speaker 6: on the door, she wasn't around. Well, actually, let me
Speaker 6: let me step back Monday morning. Okay, let's see, I'm
Speaker 6: getting ahead of myself. Let me Monday afternoon was when
Speaker 6: this happened. I'm sorry. Monday afternoon was when this happened,
Speaker 6: and they went up there and nobody came to the door,
Speaker 6: and so they let themselves in because they wanted to
Speaker 6: try to get the rest of their stuff, and they
Speaker 6: if she wasn't there, it would be easier for them
Speaker 6: to get it. And what they were met with was
Speaker 6: a mess from Gaye, sister's labradoodle puppy, who had basically,
Speaker 6: you know, peted all over the place and made a
Speaker 6: mess everywhere and torn food down to eat, and he
Speaker 6: didn't have hardly any water. And so they were both
Speaker 6: upset over that and couldn't understand why sister, who really
Speaker 6: really loved this dog, would not have taken better care
Speaker 6: of him. And so they were immediately wondering, you know,
Speaker 6: what had she done? Why why was she not taking
Speaker 6: care of the dog? Where was she? Had she run
Speaker 6: off with a guy she you know, gone somewhere and
Speaker 6: forgotten to tell somebody? They just didn't know.
Speaker 7: With that as well, they saw that they thought it
Speaker 7: was unusual. But at the same time, you write in
Speaker 7: the book that part of Nancy's behavior was this sort
Speaker 7: of irresponsibility. So did they reconcile both of those things
Speaker 7: with a little bit of the information, despite the unusual
Speaker 7: nature of just leaving this dog to its own devices.
Speaker 6: Yeah, they did, actually, and I'm sure it was easy
Speaker 6: to tell themselves, well, she's done this before. She had
Speaker 6: actually done it with her daughter when her daughter was little.
Speaker 6: That was something that was the history even wrote about
Speaker 6: in a semi autobiographical play. She wrote, but it was
Speaker 6: common knowledge that she had done that with her and daughter,
Speaker 6: and that she would, you know, go away, you know,
Speaker 6: now and then, and just no one would know where
Speaker 6: she was.
Speaker 8: So they did.
Speaker 6: They did say, well, that's probably what's happened. But at
Speaker 6: the same time, the dog not being cared for was
Speaker 6: what made them worry. But there was something wrong, and
Speaker 6: also there was a smell, and Nancy chopped it up
Speaker 6: to Gabe having gone to the bathroom in the house.
Speaker 6: Trey didn't have any sense of smell, so he couldn't
Speaker 6: smell it, but Nancy did, and she thought it was,
Speaker 6: you know, nothing major, but but you know, just a
Speaker 6: nasty smell. She cleaned everything up and took care of
Speaker 6: it so that it would be in good shape. But
Speaker 6: she also called Carpenter and said, you know, I don't
Speaker 6: know what happened to Nancy, and we need to find out,
Speaker 6: you know, what to do about Gabe. And so they
Speaker 6: began trying to track her down through phone calls to people.
Speaker 7: Now, Nancy Fister has a daughter named Julianna. So tell
Speaker 7: us who looks for Nancy first? And what do they
Speaker 7: do in that in that investigation to find out where
Speaker 7: she is first?
Speaker 6: Well, on on Tuesday, Kathy Carpenter and Nancy talk repeatedly
Speaker 6: and they decide that if they can't find Kathy or
Speaker 6: Nancy by that evening, that Kathy will come home. Before
Speaker 6: she goes home, get the dog Gabe and takes him
Speaker 6: to her house. But what she does in the meantime
Speaker 6: is she talks to Patricia Stranahan. And Patricia Stranahan and
Speaker 6: her husband George raised Juliana. They were kind of like
Speaker 6: her her godparents. And she just happens to come into
Speaker 6: the bank to make a deposit, and Kathy flaps her
Speaker 6: down and starts telling her that she can't find Nancy.
Speaker 6: And even you know, even Patty Stranahan doesn't worried because
Speaker 6: she knows Nancy's like that kind of flighty. And so
Speaker 6: Kathy says to her, would you please call and see
Speaker 6: if you can find out where she might be. And
Speaker 6: so that's the first thing that she does, and of course,
Speaker 6: later you know, that day and the next aid no
Speaker 6: one has found her.
Speaker 7: So tell us about how everything proceeds in terms of
Speaker 7: that search and who actually makes this grim discovery.
Speaker 6: Well, while Kathy's talking to Patty Stranahan, Nancy is talking
Speaker 6: to Susan Lascow and a couple of other people and says,
Speaker 6: you know, we don't know where where Nancy's at. We're
Speaker 6: surprised that she left Dave. It's just not like her.
Speaker 6: And you know, they went from Monday afternoon to Tuesday afternoon,
Speaker 6: to Tuesday evening to Wednesday morning, and then you know,
Speaker 6: it's it's kind of become apparent that something has happened
Speaker 6: to her because it's just not like no one to
Speaker 6: hear from her. And so at that point on Wednesday afternoon,
Speaker 6: that was the day that Nancy and Kathy had decided
Speaker 6: that if no one had heard from sister they couldn't
Speaker 6: find her, that Kathy would get Gabe. So she actually
Speaker 6: does go to Nancy's Buttermilk homeb to get Gabe, and
Speaker 6: when she walks in, the smell just hits her in
Speaker 6: the face, and she realizes coming from the bedroom, and
Speaker 6: when she gets to the bedroom, she realizes that something's wrong.
Speaker 6: She doesn't have the key to the closet, but that
Speaker 6: seems to be where the smell's coming from, so she
Speaker 6: went someone gets she. She's on the phone to her mom,
Speaker 6: to Patty Stranahan, to a couple of different people while
Speaker 6: she's doing this, and she's clearly already very worried, scared.
Speaker 6: She doesn't know what's going on. They're trying to tell her, Look,
Speaker 6: it's all right, you're just your imagining. She's getting the
Speaker 6: best of you. She's starting to have a panic attack
Speaker 6: because she'd had breathing problems and actually had almost died
Speaker 6: while sister was in Australia and Trey had saved her
Speaker 6: life and gotten her medical care into the hospital. But
Speaker 6: she's having this breathing panic attack where she can't breathe,
Speaker 6: and then she goes and gets the key and comes
Speaker 6: back and finds sister's body in the closet.
Speaker 7: Now, right away, the police are called and this main character,
Speaker 7: Joe Da Silva, and you mentioned a deputy's name as well,
Speaker 7: so they are familiar with Fister and so what is
Speaker 7: their reaction.
Speaker 6: Well, the Salado and Brad Gibson. Brad Gibson's like the
Speaker 6: chief deputy or he's a detective. He's not the chief deputy,
Speaker 6: but he's a detective.
Speaker 3: Then he.
Speaker 6: They think that almost within I'd say within about two hours,
Speaker 6: they think that the Silar's had something to do with it.
Speaker 6: And that is in large part because when Kathy Carpenter
Speaker 6: finds sister's body in the closet, she loses it. She
Speaker 6: just has a nervous breakdown, almost on the spot. You
Speaker 6: can hear it in her voice on the nine one
Speaker 6: one call as she's driving away, fleeing for her own life,
Speaker 6: thinking that someone, the killer is probably after her and
Speaker 6: she needs to get to safety. You can hear all
Speaker 6: that in her voice on the nine one call.
Speaker 8: And she is.
Speaker 6: When the police, when the police take her to the hospital.
Speaker 6: She's taken to the hospital and they kind of man
Speaker 6: guard there and try to get her to talk. You know,
Speaker 6: she's under she's heavily medicated, she's tranquilized. But what she
Speaker 6: says during that time while she's tranquilized is that they
Speaker 6: they said they were going to kill her, they hated her,
Speaker 6: you know what if they did something to her. Now
Speaker 6: she's talking of her head, but the police immediately took
Speaker 6: it seriously and by the next morning having basically arrested
Speaker 6: the stylos.
Speaker 7: Before we get to that, there's and again you we
Speaker 7: talk about you talk about it a little bit later,
Speaker 7: but there is a conversation, So Mayby could set me
Speaker 7: straight on this. There's a conversation with Patrick Karney. So
Speaker 7: who does does Nancy talk with Patrick Karney? Because this
Speaker 7: becomes very incredibly important. So when does this phone call happen?
Speaker 7: Before we talk about the contents of that, but when
Speaker 7: does that phone call? When was that phone call made?
Speaker 6: Well, Patrick told police that sister left him a message
Speaker 6: at two thirty in the morning on Monday, February.
Speaker 8: Twenty fourth, asking for a ride.
Speaker 6: Later that day, he was in the hospital. He had
Speaker 6: shattered his collar bone and he tried to call her
Speaker 6: back on Monday night. Center text message didn't get her.
Speaker 7: So when does he get to when does he actually
Speaker 7: have a conversation with Nancy Styler though about this or
Speaker 7: who does he have a conversation with?
Speaker 6: Yeah, he did have a conversation with Nancy Styler, and
Speaker 6: that would have been let's see here. I believe that
Speaker 6: that was Tuesday, Yes, yeah, because he was in the
Speaker 6: hospital on Monday, and after they discharged him, he went
Speaker 6: to get his car and then he drove up to
Speaker 6: check on Fister because he thought that she needed a
Speaker 6: ride to town. That's what she'd said in her message
Speaker 6: to him, because her car was snowed in. And so
Speaker 6: when he gets there, he sees that they're moving, and
Speaker 6: what he says to police at least is that it's
Speaker 6: interesting because what Patrick says in his interview with police
Speaker 6: is it's kind of it's not what they say back
Speaker 6: to him and said before you know it. The whole
Speaker 6: interview has the police basically leading him to say, well, yeah,
Speaker 6: they did say that she was there in the upstairs
Speaker 6: and for me not to go up there and check
Speaker 6: on her. But that's not what Patrick told police. He
Speaker 6: basically told police, no, we didn't. They said that we
Speaker 6: didn't see her.
Speaker 7: Yes, very interesting. What you have in the book is
Speaker 7: you talk about the specifics of how they did this
Speaker 7: in terms of they already assume that they have their suspect. Yeah,
Speaker 7: so then they ask leading questions and when he is
Speaker 7: unsure of certain things, they they disregard the inconsistencies, which
Speaker 7: again is not great police work at all, and then
Speaker 7: again which is not good police work, leading questions and
Speaker 7: never ask him for a polygraph, so never ever clarify
Speaker 7: exactly what specifically he did say. And it's important because
Speaker 7: he is speaking about statements regarding Nancy and her whether
Speaker 7: Nancy Styler and Trey Styler even saw Nancy Fister. So
Speaker 7: it's very very important what he does say and what
Speaker 7: he doesn't say. And it's very interesting how you show
Speaker 7: how they can come to this kind of conclusion. So
Speaker 7: tell us about Joe de Silva, and you talk about
Speaker 7: the quest to have these people arrested sooner than they
Speaker 7: actually were, but there was something holding them back. So
Speaker 7: tell us a little. It's very fascinating about this adamant
Speaker 7: Joe Deslva and his quest to have these people arrested
Speaker 7: very very quickly and have this case solved.
Speaker 6: Well, they found her body around I'm going to say
Speaker 6: six o'clock on that Wednesday night, and by five point
Speaker 6: thirty am the next morning on Thursday, they were busting
Speaker 6: into the hotel room where the stylers were and they
Speaker 6: immediately you have them both get naked, take pictures of them,
Speaker 6: which was just completely beyond police protocol for male officers
Speaker 6: to be even in the room when that happens to
Speaker 6: a female suspect. And then they take them, separate them,
Speaker 6: question them, and DiSalvo is involved in the questioning of Trey,
Speaker 6: and interestingly Nancy doesn't give the same kind of treatment
Speaker 6: trade but DiSalvo it's basically in Trey's fay saying we
Speaker 6: know you did this, we know your life helped, we
Speaker 6: know you're responsible. Tell us why you did it, tell
Speaker 6: us what happened. He takes more of an active role
Speaker 6: in the investigation that most sheriffs do that I've been
Speaker 6: familiar with in my in my work.
Speaker 7: You also talk about the things that he does say
Speaker 7: when he's yelling in his face, is that we have
Speaker 7: the DNA on you.
Speaker 3: And.
Speaker 7: Also that you failed the polygraph. You don't talk about
Speaker 7: that time of whether that's true or not, but it
Speaker 7: seems like that's not true at that point, is it.
Speaker 6: No no DNA at that point the DNA takes longer
Speaker 6: than they had time to get DNA.
Speaker 7: See that was failed the polygraph at that sorry, did
Speaker 7: he fail the polygraph at that time as well?
Speaker 6: We don't know because the defense team was never provided
Speaker 6: with the results of the polygraph.
Speaker 7: Now you talk about the ordeal, and you describe in
Speaker 7: great detail this ordeal at the motel with Trey and Nancy.
Speaker 7: So you also talk about again their naivity before they
Speaker 7: contact their son Daniel, or Nancy talks to her son
Speaker 7: Daniel about they just being cooperative. Again, many people are
Speaker 7: familiar with this sort of thing where people think they're innocent. Well, jeez,
Speaker 7: I'm going to be exonerated very quickly. So tell us
Speaker 7: a little bit about this naivity and their approach in
Speaker 7: terms of not calling a lawyer right away.
Speaker 6: Well, it was the same thing with Kathy Carpenter. But
Speaker 6: they felt like they were innocent. They didn't have anything
Speaker 6: to hide, they were telling the truth. And so why
Speaker 6: did they even meet an attorney, Because innocent people don't
Speaker 6: go to jail. And so even though I believe Nancy
Speaker 6: especially was in a state of shell shock from what
Speaker 6: happened that morning, being forced to stand naked in front
Speaker 6: of a room full of mail officers and have her
Speaker 6: pictures taken, I believe that her tone of voice and
Speaker 6: some of this came from the investigator that worked for
Speaker 6: the defense, David Olmstead. You know, it was just they
Speaker 6: were so respectful and they were appalled. They couldn't understand
Speaker 6: why they were being treated that way, but they were
Speaker 6: so respectful and they wanted to help, you know, they
Speaker 6: were willing to do whatever they could to help. Nancy
Speaker 6: was like, you know, I'll tell you anything you need.
Speaker 6: I want to help find her. We've been worried about
Speaker 6: her for the last three days.
Speaker 7: In this investigation too, police do find many many people
Speaker 7: that had the same kind of again sentiment that they
Speaker 7: would like to kill these people or wring their neck.
Speaker 7: But with that information, the police did not look at
Speaker 7: anyone else as a possibility and in fact tell us
Speaker 7: about the theory that they have in regards to who murdered.
Speaker 7: In total, who murdered Nancy Fister and why.
Speaker 6: He is just really bizarre. It goes beyond any police
Speaker 6: work I've ever seen before. But there were several people
Speaker 6: who said that they harbored ill will towards Fister. They
Speaker 6: even said the same thing that Nancy Styler did, I'd
Speaker 6: like to kill her. There were many strange men that
Speaker 6: she had slept with over the years, and all of
Speaker 6: them there was even a serial killer, one woman called
Speaker 6: and gave them a tip that there was a serial
Speaker 6: killer who had attacked women that looked and were about
Speaker 6: the same age as Fister, and the police followed up
Speaker 6: on those leads tap heartedly, but they never ever questioned
Speaker 6: or gave telegraphs to any of the people, including Patrick Carney,
Speaker 6: who admitted that, you know, he took this draft to
Speaker 6: dinner every Thursday night and that now she would never
Speaker 6: stick her hand out to pay, that he always was
Speaker 6: expected to pay the bill. Or another friend, a male friend,
Speaker 6: that would you know, take her home and make sure
Speaker 6: she got to bed safe after she was on a bender.
Speaker 6: The police never ever looked at those people seriously, even
Speaker 6: though you know, to my way of thinking as an
Speaker 6: investigative reporter, it seems like they were equally they were
Speaker 6: they were equally possible suspects to the Stilers. So what
Speaker 6: the police did instead was just bizarre. They looked at
Speaker 6: the fact that the Stilers and Carpenter had traded cars.
Speaker 6: They looked at the fact that when Nancy went into
Speaker 6: the motel to get the motel room, she wrote down
Speaker 6: on her the intake sheet that they were driving at
Speaker 6: Subaru because they were they were driving Carpenter's Subaru. They
Speaker 6: looked at the fact that Nancy and Kathy had exchanged
Speaker 6: a lot of text messages about how Nancy had been
Speaker 6: sixteen Kathy's care and makeup, and Kathy was really appreciative
Speaker 6: of that, and everybody was telling her how great she looked.
Speaker 6: They looked at all those things which were in and
Speaker 6: of themselves nothing that would have anything to do with
Speaker 6: sister's murder at all. They looked at the as a
Speaker 6: conspiracy to kill the woman.
Speaker 7: As a result, there are arrests made, and as such,
Speaker 7: tell us about that, but also tell us about the
Speaker 7: hammer that's found on February twenty eighth.
Speaker 6: Well Nancy and Trey, even though it was not officially
Speaker 6: labeled on arrest on that Thursday morning, when the police
Speaker 6: came into their motel room, it wasn't arrest because they
Speaker 6: were detained and they couldn't leave. But then the police
Speaker 6: let them go because they really had no evidence that night,
Speaker 6: and then they arrested them again the following Monday. By then,
Speaker 6: there had been DNA found both sisters and Trays in
Speaker 6: a garbage bag where some of sisters and Styler's belongings
Speaker 6: had been tossed. The defense team thought that the stylers
Speaker 6: at that point were being set up when they came
Speaker 6: into the case because there was nothing of Carpenter's found,
Speaker 6: and they thought perhaps Carpenter was setting them up. But
Speaker 6: she was arrested eleven days later, as you know, part
Speaker 6: of the conspiracy that the three of them had supposedly
Speaker 6: had to kill sister.
Speaker 8: But this hammer that was.
Speaker 6: Found in this trash bag that was dumped in a
Speaker 6: Carbondale garbage can, and Carbondale is the little town that
Speaker 6: is outside of Aspen, and it's it's it's actually just
Speaker 6: the little town where the astronaut lodges the stylers were
Speaker 6: staying in and the trash can wasn't too far from
Speaker 6: their motel, so that looked really suspicious. But the hammer
Speaker 6: had been used by Trey both when sister left and
Speaker 6: he was doing different things to the house to take
Speaker 6: the pictures down off the wall, but it was definitely
Speaker 6: used right before she came back. Of course, they had
Speaker 6: to take all those pictures out of storage and hang
Speaker 6: them back up on the walls.
Speaker 7: Again, Why was that hammer so important in terms of
Speaker 7: evidence or did they feel.
Speaker 6: Because it was it was the murder weapon, it was
Speaker 6: what had they found some of Hister's DNA on it,
Speaker 6: and it was the murder weapon. That's what they That's
Speaker 6: a conclusion they came to.
Speaker 7: Now you have a very profound this is a very
Speaker 7: profound book, but very profound moment in the book where
Speaker 7: the detectives the police are looking at Nancy as this accomplice.
Speaker 7: They have, like you say, evidence that links trade. They believe,
Speaker 7: and they believe that based on witnesses, that he has
Speaker 7: the ability, despite talking about a disability, that to be
Speaker 7: able to do this. So they have a meeting with
Speaker 7: Nancy and they show her the crime scene photos and
Speaker 7: they're gauging her reaction. Tell us about that.
Speaker 6: Yeah, Garth McCarty wanted her to defense attorneys. He and
Speaker 6: he actually said he could not get out of his
Speaker 6: mind the response that he saw on Nancy's face when
Speaker 6: he brought his iPad with all of photos from the
Speaker 6: crime scene and saw her basically look through them. And
Speaker 6: he said, for probably twenty thirty minutes she was silent.
Speaker 6: And he said, Nancy Styler is just not a woman
Speaker 6: that doesn't speak. She speaks, you know, a lot, She
Speaker 6: talks a lot. She's a very social person herself. But
Speaker 6: he said he could tell by the horror that he
Speaker 6: saw on her face, that there was no way she
Speaker 6: had ever seen that dead woman. So at that point
Speaker 6: he believed conclusively that she was innocent.
Speaker 7: Now with this you talk about the day that she
Speaker 7: gets information. I guess I'm obviously fast forward here. But
Speaker 7: how do they get to the point where Nancy Styler
Speaker 7: is being released? And again another profound part of the
Speaker 7: book where she is told she is being released and
Speaker 7: believes in her mind again naivity, that her and Trey
Speaker 7: are going to finally walk out of this sell this
Speaker 7: jail exonerated. So tell us about what circumstances lead to
Speaker 7: Nancy being released, and tell us about that scene that
Speaker 7: you create in the book.
Speaker 6: Well, all along, Nancy has been saying to anybody that
Speaker 6: would listen, and look, when the police gets the DNA,
Speaker 6: science is going to prove that we didn't do this,
Speaker 6: because there's no way that the DNA will lie at
Speaker 6: the evidence, the medical or not the medical. But the
Speaker 6: science is not going to prove that we did it
Speaker 6: because we didn't. The police will know that, so we'll
Speaker 6: get out. But then they didn't get out until finally
Speaker 6: after a little over one hundred days. That's Kruea, which
Speaker 6: Nancy's other defense attorney, shows up in our cell one
Speaker 6: morning and has a change of clothes that she's gotten
Speaker 6: for at a thrift shop, some flip flops, and a letter,
Speaker 6: and she explains to Nancy. Garth gets it shortly after,
Speaker 6: and by that time, Beth had explained to Nancy that
Speaker 6: she's being released, the chargers will be dropped, and that
Speaker 6: Tray had pled guilty to get her release and to
Speaker 6: have the police exonerate her. And so she reads the letter,
Speaker 6: and the letter sounds like Trey has basically taken the
Speaker 6: fall to get her out of prison or get her
Speaker 6: out of jail. At that time, she is immediately horrified
Speaker 6: and her attorneys by then, the two of them are
Speaker 6: there together, Garth and Beth, and they are terrified by
Speaker 6: her reaction because she's crying. She can't understand, she doesn't
Speaker 6: know what she's really what he's really done. She can't
Speaker 6: understand or make sense of it, and they're afraid that
Speaker 6: she is going to do something to sabotage his confession.
Speaker 6: They don't know what, but you know, they asked that
Speaker 6: the jail officials keep an eye on her until she's
Speaker 6: released that day because They don't want her to do
Speaker 6: anything that would be there would be, you know, out
Speaker 6: of her head, some type of crazy reaction in response
Speaker 6: to what Trey did. But by confessing.
Speaker 7: Now her reaction again the audience might be asking, well,
Speaker 7: what again a confession? But he writes a three page letter,
Speaker 7: and what exactly is in that letter? And again, because
Speaker 7: it will be evident that there's a reason why Nancy
Speaker 7: doesn't either completely believe it or believe it to be
Speaker 7: a confession, or has some idea that maybe Trey is
Speaker 7: falling on his sword, as you mentioned in the book,
Speaker 7: tell us what's written in that letter and why it
Speaker 7: isn't so clear exactly what he is seeing in that letter.
Speaker 6: Because he tells her that I know you're innocent, and
Speaker 6: I know that I'm innocent. You should believe that the
Speaker 6: basically I think that's what you're referring to.
Speaker 8: Is that right?
Speaker 7: Right? So she's still not clear. She's again, to add
Speaker 7: to her horror, is that she's finally being released, but
Speaker 7: her husband, who's disabled, her soulmate, the person that she
Speaker 7: loves and believes is innocent, is still in this jail.
Speaker 7: So she's devastated. Even though she's elated, to finally be
Speaker 7: out and to be treated like a human being again
Speaker 7: and afforded those little comforts like bed sheets and clean
Speaker 7: clothes and pillows.
Speaker 6: Right, it's like simultaneously the best and the worst day
Speaker 6: of her life together wrapped up him on.
Speaker 7: Now she is told that she is to be released,
Speaker 7: and she is released, and that she's also told that
Speaker 7: Trey is going to plead guilty and receive a twenty
Speaker 7: year sentence, and again incredible in the book where the
Speaker 7: lawyer tells Nancy, Jesus is a this is a fantastic
Speaker 7: deal that he's getting. Tell us a little bit about that.
Speaker 6: Well, Beath and Garth don't want her to do anything
Speaker 6: to compromise, to try to like, you know, they thought
Speaker 6: they had this thought. And Garth told me that she
Speaker 6: might suddenly decide to plead guilty to keep Trey from
Speaker 6: having to take the fall for her. She truly thought
Speaker 6: that her husband, this man that she'd only ever been
Speaker 6: with intimately since she married him, and the thing was
Speaker 6: true of him, that he loved her so much that
Speaker 6: he was willing to take the fall so that she
Speaker 6: could be free. And she, you know, couldn't comprehend that
Speaker 6: he would do that she was also terrified because of
Speaker 6: his tendency to have depression. And I'm not sure, am
Speaker 6: I getting it what you're thinking of? Dan?
Speaker 7: Yes? Yes, Now tell us how the whole entire case
Speaker 7: and trial proceeds from this point, with Trey deciding to confess,
Speaker 7: with Nancy distraught with the constant contact with their grown
Speaker 7: son Daniel.
Speaker 8: Uh.
Speaker 7: There you do talk about in the book also that
Speaker 7: again if police didn't look at people that really had
Speaker 7: a hate on for Nancy Fister, including her own sister Suzanne.
Speaker 7: So tell us how what happens next in this case.
Speaker 6: Well, you can imagine that their son Daniel and his
Speaker 6: mom Nancy were just beside themselves. But at the same time,
Speaker 6: Daniel couldn't understand why his dad would pray a letter
Speaker 6: like that if he hadn't actually he thought that there
Speaker 6: was something that wasn't quite right. And so the two
Speaker 6: of them decide that they were going to fight to
Speaker 6: get him free. And this is a family who had
Speaker 6: been involved in the legal system for probably fifteen years
Speaker 6: in terms of fighting, first one battle to get the
Speaker 6: rights to the computer software, then another battle for a
Speaker 6: malpractice against the bat they corrupt attorney, and then there
Speaker 6: was a house that they had lived in and gotten
Speaker 6: poisoned from carbon monoxide, and they looked at that as
Speaker 6: being a possible legal action. So they'd been involved with
Speaker 6: different lawyers, all of whom had mostly not been able
Speaker 6: to help them in one way or another. And they've
Speaker 6: been left in, you know, a destitute situation and out
Speaker 6: all their money basically. So they told his attorney, Tina Fang,
Speaker 6: that they were going to fight to free him. And
Speaker 6: at that point she went to Tray and told him that.
Speaker 6: And then do you want me to ultimately say how
Speaker 6: it turned out?
Speaker 7: That's up to you.
Speaker 8: Do we want to keep it read?
Speaker 7: I know that we talked about the interview. We mentioned that,
Speaker 7: the interview that he has on his deathbed. So maybe
Speaker 7: let's not, you know, at least something for somebody to discover,
Speaker 7: but tell us about how his health gets and why
Speaker 7: does his health get to such a credible dire state
Speaker 7: so quickly? Is there some again, I mean it made
Speaker 7: me sound like an obvious question, but.
Speaker 6: Oh well, yeah, I mean, Trey is stuck in prison
Speaker 6: and he calls it an intellectual wasteland. When I interviewed
Speaker 6: him in April, I spent about nine hours that day
Speaker 6: in the prison. Eight of those hours we were talking
Speaker 6: and he was being videotaped during our interview. But you
Speaker 6: can tell from what little bit he was able to
Speaker 6: do inside the prison. First of all, his wife had
Speaker 6: no money because when she was arrested, you know, she
Speaker 6: couldn't work. When she got out, she had a record
Speaker 6: she couldn't that record wasn't immediately expunged and the case
Speaker 6: field so anytime she would try to go work to
Speaker 6: get work, you know, any employers who did a background
Speaker 6: check would find that she was, you know, had a
Speaker 6: charge of murder against her. So she was living back
Speaker 6: home in Boston with her mother. Had no money to
Speaker 6: speak of. And most inmates have family members. I don't
Speaker 6: know if most of them do, but some of them
Speaker 6: have family members who will pay for things like them
Speaker 6: to have a TV or to have a newspaper delivered,
Speaker 6: things like that. And he had no money because Nancy
Speaker 6: had no much. And so he was this very very
Speaker 6: intellectually stimulated person who for the first time in his life,
Speaker 6: had nothing to stimulate him, and he was living inside
Speaker 6: a prison where the only job he had that they
Speaker 6: would give him was basically to wipe down his cell,
Speaker 6: which just took a few minutes a day. That was it.
Speaker 6: That's the only worthwhile means of spending his time he
Speaker 6: had every day, and he was simply desperate to get
Speaker 6: out and to be with his wife, the woman that
Speaker 6: he loved more than anything else in the world.
Speaker 7: And so what did he do in terms of that quest?
Speaker 6: Ultimately, yes, well, he talked about He wrote letters to
Speaker 6: his attorney, Kina Fang, He talked to other attorneys, and
Speaker 6: nobody would talk to him. He wanted to try to appeal.
Speaker 6: He basically confessed to Nancy. I'm not sure how much
Speaker 6: to say that, but he eventually to his own life.
Speaker 7: Of course, now maybe we should have left that as
Speaker 7: a spoiler, you know, not a spoiler. But sorry, that's okay,
Speaker 7: It's okay, because what I wanted to also say that
Speaker 7: the part of this, what we've kind of not talked
Speaker 7: about at all, is the media and how they treated
Speaker 7: this case and how they treated this couple and their
Speaker 7: involvement in this as well. In terms of maybe, uh yeah,
Speaker 7: tell us a little bit about this. I don't want
Speaker 7: to even try to forge a.
Speaker 8: Question on that one secondary to the.
Speaker 6: Shoddy police work that was done, because it's clear to
Speaker 6: me after looking through the police and the prosecutions own
Speaker 6: internal documents in this case, that they had tunnel visions
Speaker 6: from the from the from the moment they found sister's body.
Speaker 6: The police did. But secondary to that grave mistake and
Speaker 6: unsure professional behavior was the media's inability or unwillingness to
Speaker 6: try to track down people who would tell the real
Speaker 6: story about the stylers. Now, there were some media outlets
Speaker 6: that did, probably the Denver newspapers did a better job,
Speaker 6: certainly than the ass The newspapers did, but they took
Speaker 6: at faith value everything the police said. And part of
Speaker 6: the problem was that the case had been sealed at
Speaker 6: the request of the defense, which didn't help the stylers
Speaker 6: any But really, the media didn't try very hard to
Speaker 6: point out that this woman had a problem, that there
Speaker 6: were a lot of people in town that didn't like her.
Speaker 6: You know, it's not easy to speak ill of the dead.
Speaker 8: But it is true.
Speaker 6: In fact, one of the people that I interviewed said
Speaker 6: there was no love loss between Nancy Fister and the
Speaker 6: people in Athens. It's not easy to find anybody who
Speaker 6: by that time in her life considered her a friend.
Speaker 6: There were people that, yeah thought that she was great
Speaker 6: to have at a party, but those people didn't consider
Speaker 6: her a friend. And so for the media not to
Speaker 6: dwell on any of that, but to point out that
Speaker 6: she was, you know, Asthen's child, you know, and to
Speaker 6: really they really laid it out as though this woman
Speaker 6: had been horribly wronged by these two people and Kathy
Speaker 6: Carpenter and how could anybody do this to our daughter
Speaker 6: whose parents started but Buttermilk Mountain And they just kind
Speaker 6: of they just didn't do a really good job of
Speaker 6: investigating her. They could have found out a lot of
Speaker 6: this themselves.
Speaker 7: Now, you spoke about your interview with Trey Styler, how
Speaker 7: heartbreaking was that knowing everything that you knew about Nancy's predicament,
Speaker 7: the treatment of Nancy, the treatment of Trey, and this
Speaker 7: again person that you just mentioned that there was no
Speaker 7: love lost over this woman. She was a ptagonistic, belligerent,
Speaker 7: a woman, entitled woman. But tell us about how how
Speaker 7: because you talk about in the book, how heartbreaking was
Speaker 7: it to speak to him under all of those conditions.
Speaker 6: Well, he was a pretty birken man, and yet he
Speaker 6: still had some hope that he would see his wife again.
Speaker 6: I think he was playing to a thread by that time.
Speaker 6: In fact, he broke down and cried several times during
Speaker 6: the interview. Part of his tears came when he was
Speaker 6: talking about his early days as a doctor who had
Speaker 6: to proclaim these babies. He had to basically announce them dead,
Speaker 6: these little tiny babies that were born and had heart
Speaker 6: problems and really didn't have a chance of living. But
Speaker 6: he would have to bring in the parents and dress
Speaker 6: the babies up and then you know, issued the death certificates,
Speaker 6: and how difficult that was and just a horrible part.
Speaker 8: Of his job.
Speaker 6: But then he broke down because he realized that the
Speaker 6: date of the interview was the anniversary date of when
Speaker 6: he means he went on their first date. And he
Speaker 6: went home that night and called his mother and said,
Speaker 6: I met the woman I'm going to marry. And he said,
Speaker 6: I can't believe that I've basically trying to live my
Speaker 6: life with her, and my son won't talk to me
Speaker 6: and I'll never see him again, and you know, look
Speaker 6: at what I've done in my family. And so I
Speaker 6: tried to tell him, you know that there was still hope,
Speaker 6: and you know that he would didn't see Nancy again.
Speaker 6: It wasn't that she didn't want to see him. She
Speaker 6: just didn't have any money to fly out to the prison,
Speaker 6: and in time she would have, and that she definitely
Speaker 6: still loved him and wanted to come out and see him.
Speaker 6: And he also felt because by then he wasn't getting
Speaker 6: any responses from his attorney and he couldn't get any
Speaker 6: other attorneys to hear him. And he actually believed that
Speaker 6: he had reason to appeal because he felt like the
Speaker 6: police had and the prosecutions had gotten him to they'd
Speaker 6: enticed him into confessing because he in turn got Nancy free.
Speaker 6: That was the price of his confession, and so he
Speaker 6: actually believed that there was room for an appeal. And
Speaker 6: I think, I don't care. You know, any inmate should
Speaker 6: have legal legal counsel, and at that point in his
Speaker 6: life he didn't, and so he was really desperate. It
Speaker 6: was just a heartbreaking day. It's really terrible, especially, you know,
Speaker 6: considering what happened later.
Speaker 7: In the end of your book, you talk about the
Speaker 7: tunnel vision that impaired law enforcement officers who worked the case,
Speaker 7: and if they would have waited for the results of
Speaker 7: the Styler's phone analysis before rushing to their conclusion, that
Speaker 7: they would have known that Nancy was telling the truth,
Speaker 7: and the arrest would have never happened. Could you explain
Speaker 7: that for us?
Speaker 6: Yes, the defense team had an analyst look at the
Speaker 6: phone records. I mean, the prosecution did the same thing,
Speaker 6: but in the prosecution records the case files, there was
Speaker 6: no evidence, and if it was there, they didn't share
Speaker 6: it with the defense. And that's possible because there were
Speaker 6: a lot of things that were done wrong with this
Speaker 6: case from the police and prosecution side. But the defense
Speaker 6: found that there was a cell phone that put Nancy
Speaker 6: in her motel room the morning of February twenty fourth,
Speaker 6: that Monday morning when sister actually was being murdered, and
Speaker 6: the police the only thing they looked at was one
Speaker 6: of Nancy's cell phones, and she had two. One of
Speaker 6: her cell phones was being pinged. It was pinging from
Speaker 6: the area of sister's home. But what they either didn't
Speaker 6: realize that they didn't share with the defense was that
Speaker 6: her second self time was making fun calls from the
Speaker 6: hotel room at the same time sister was being killed.
Speaker 6: And that's because Nancy Styler was there making his calls
Speaker 6: for different things that she was trying to talk down
Speaker 6: that morning.
Speaker 7: Right yea incredible, incredible story. What are your what were
Speaker 7: your conclusions after this? After? I know this is every
Speaker 7: true crime book, every book that you write takes a
Speaker 7: little bit out of you. And I've talked to other
Speaker 7: authors that some books just send them over the edge
Speaker 7: and they don't want to write anymore true crime. What
Speaker 7: was your conclusion out of this and just what did
Speaker 7: you take away from this case after immersing yourself in
Speaker 7: it so heavily and writing this book.
Speaker 6: Well, I took away a couple of things. Yeah, it
Speaker 6: was very draining, especially after I did the interview with Trey,
Speaker 6: and I may take a break from true crime. I mean,
Speaker 6: I've done two pretty horrific true crime books lately back
Speaker 6: to back, and it does take a lot out of you.
Speaker 6: But the takeaway, I think is that we may know
Speaker 6: the people that we love very very well, better even
Speaker 6: than they know themselves, but that doesn't mean that we
Speaker 6: can save them, and it also doesn't mean that they
Speaker 6: can save themselves. And sometimes people simply crack and there's
Speaker 6: nothing we can do about it.
Speaker 7: Well, yeah, this is incredible. I've got to say that
Speaker 7: this is one of those cases where you really do
Speaker 7: see a love story here. Very enduring love story and
Speaker 7: a story of success of nice people set to do
Speaker 7: some really great things, a nice family, nice intentions and circumstances,
Speaker 7: and their life goes in this particular case, from fairy
Speaker 7: tale to nightmarish in short order. And Nancy was released
Speaker 7: from prison. But I'm sure that everybody involved with this
Speaker 7: was touched and was led down from that again, that
Speaker 7: fairy tale life to this nightmarish existence. And no good
Speaker 7: came of this really out of this story other than
Speaker 7: again to show the heights that people can go from
Speaker 7: from that again fairy tale life to this nightmare ending.
Speaker 7: So again, not a happy story at all, but is
Speaker 7: I don't know, maybe a cautionary tale for some of us,
Speaker 7: and certainly an incredible tale. And I want to thank
Speaker 7: you for coming on and talking about guilt by matrimony
Speaker 7: and true an incredible story.
Speaker 6: Thank you so much, Dan, I really appreciate it.
Speaker 7: Well. You have a great evening, and I hope to
Speaker 7: talk to you again soon, and again thank you for
Speaker 7: this interview and you have a great evening.
Speaker 6: You too, Thank you, Dan.
Speaker 7: Good night,