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<v Speaker 5>your host, journalist and author Dan Zufanski, Good Evening. In

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<v Speaker 5>February twenty fourteen, Aspen socialite Nancy Fister was murdered in

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<v Speaker 5>her own home, brutally bludgeoned, wrapped in a sheet, and

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<v Speaker 5>stuffed inside a locked closet. Fewer than twelve hours after

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<v Speaker 5>her body was found and without any evidence, police decided

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<v Speaker 5>a married couple from Denver had killed her. Within a

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<v Speaker 5>few days, they arrested and charged Nancy Styler, a friend

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<v Speaker 5>of Fisters who had a falling out with her after

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<v Speaker 5>a business deal went sour, and doctor Trey Styler, Nancy's

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<v Speaker 5>disabled husband, who recently lost a family home, his medical

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<v Speaker 5>practice in any hope of a peaceful retirement for himself

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<v Speaker 5>and his wife. Eleven days later, police charged Kathy Carpenter,

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<v Speaker 5>Fister's underpaid and overworked personal assistant and closest friend. Months later,

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<v Speaker 5>Trey Styler, who was slowly losing his grip on realities

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<v Speaker 5>he battled with mental illness, confessed to the crime. Rampant

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<v Speaker 5>speculation spread about whether he was involved at all, or

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<v Speaker 5>if his confession was that of a man on his

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<v Speaker 5>deathbed because a medical condition appeared to have left him

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<v Speaker 5>barely able to walk, much less carry out such a

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<v Speaker 5>heinous crime. And then the only interview before his death,

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<v Speaker 5>Trey gives his account of that faithful day. New York

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<v Speaker 5>Times bestselling author Dayleen Barry covers this compelling story from

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<v Speaker 5>the inside, following the Stylers from their fairy tale life

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<v Speaker 5>in Denver to the morning of their simultaneous arrest, to

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<v Speaker 5>Nancy's release from jail and her attempt to rebuild her

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<v Speaker 5>shattered life. The book that we're featuring this evening is

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<v Speaker 5>Guilt by Matrimony with my special guest, journalist and author

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<v Speaker 5>Dayleen Berry. Welcome back to the program and thank you

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<v Speaker 5>for a Greenness interview, Dayleen Berry, Thank you Dan, Thank

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<v Speaker 5>you Dayleen. Incredible story. Like I say, it never ceases

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<v Speaker 5>to surprise me, some of these stories, so and this

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<v Speaker 5>one is very very surprising. So let's get right to

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<v Speaker 5>as we as I spoke to in the introduction. Let's

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<v Speaker 5>talk talk about first about Nancy Styler and a little

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<v Speaker 5>bit of her life. And she has a sister named

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<v Speaker 5>Cindy and her mother's name Tess. So tell us a

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<v Speaker 5>little bit about her life, and before we talk about

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<v Speaker 5>how her and Trey met and ventured into this life

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<v Speaker 5>that we will we'll talk about in this and you

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<v Speaker 5>do so well in this book. So tell us a

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<v Speaker 5>little bit about Nancy Styler before she met her husband, Trey.

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<v Speaker 6>She was educated in the Boston area and started working

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<v Speaker 6>at a makeup counter at an upscale department stour when

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<v Speaker 6>she was sixteen. And then she went to college in

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<v Speaker 6>France and was educated there as an anesthesist. Now in

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<v Speaker 6>France she would have had the equivalent of a medical degree,

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<v Speaker 6>but when I believe it was the Gailier you got

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<v Speaker 6>all the American students, she was forced to return to

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<v Speaker 6>the US sence she finished her studies here in the

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<v Speaker 6>US and became an anste zeologist an instructor in the

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<v Speaker 6>antesiologist program in Colorado, and that's where she met Trey Styler.

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<v Speaker 7>Now, tell us a little bit about Trey Styler and

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<v Speaker 7>his life before they met.

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<v Speaker 6>Well. Trey came from the Oklahoma area, and he was

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<v Speaker 6>born into a family that had made a good bit

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<v Speaker 6>of money. They seemed to have money, but Nancy said

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<v Speaker 6>that through his father's business that they made more money.

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<v Speaker 6>Trey also said that before he died, and his mother

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<v Speaker 6>was pretty frugal and was able to build make a

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<v Speaker 6>lot more money out of what she had saved, and

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<v Speaker 6>they had put into stocks and bonds. So he came

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<v Speaker 6>from a pretty wealthy family. And the other important thing

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<v Speaker 6>about the family is that they had a serious problem

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<v Speaker 6>with depression. His mother, his brother, and Trey himself and

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<v Speaker 6>the younger brother actually committed suicide, and when the police

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<v Speaker 6>found his brother, they called Trey to come and identify

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<v Speaker 6>the body because their parents were in Texas on a

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<v Speaker 6>business trip at the time.

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<v Speaker 7>Right, now, tell us about his successful rise in his profession,

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<v Speaker 7>and then you can tell us about how the two met.

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<v Speaker 6>Well. Trey was at first not a great college student

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<v Speaker 6>and he actually his father because he wanted to party.

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<v Speaker 6>He took him out of college and said, you need

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<v Speaker 6>to go to work because I'm not paying for college

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<v Speaker 6>if this is how you're going to spend my money.

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<v Speaker 6>And so Trey went to work for a while and

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<v Speaker 6>while he was working, I believe it's an orderly in

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<v Speaker 6>a hospital. And he decided he liked that field, and

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<v Speaker 6>so he applied to medical school and eventually he was

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<v Speaker 6>accepted and became a de and he from that went

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<v Speaker 6>into the field of anesthesiology. And what was so interesting

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<v Speaker 6>about his work is that he was so gentle and

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<v Speaker 6>kind that there were patients, not only fellow people in

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<v Speaker 6>the professional field he worked in, like nurses and other

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<v Speaker 6>doctors that sought out his services as an anesthesiologist, but

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<v Speaker 6>he had a lot of patients who were pretty wealthy

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<v Speaker 6>and they would request him, even from other hospitals. At

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<v Speaker 6>times they refused to let anybody else do their anesthesia,

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<v Speaker 6>and he just had this air of compassion and empathy

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<v Speaker 6>and reassured the patient that he would take good care

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<v Speaker 6>of them. And in addition to that, he was adept

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<v Speaker 6>at understanding that if a person was afraid, that could

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<v Speaker 6>actually lead to a case of being scared to death,

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<v Speaker 6>literally being scared to death, and so he was really

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<v Speaker 6>good at keeping them relaxed and talking them out of

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<v Speaker 6>the fear before they had surgery, so much to the

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<v Speaker 6>point where people who had previously been so afraid and

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<v Speaker 6>refused to ever have surgery again, he was able to

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<v Speaker 6>talk them back into that and they after that was

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<v Speaker 6>never using never excsiologists.

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<v Speaker 7>Now you talk about the gentle man that Trey Styler

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<v Speaker 7>was in his again unusual treatment of patients, and that

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<v Speaker 7>was very endearing to a lot of people, including Nancy.

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<v Speaker 7>So tell us how they met and again her first reaction, again,

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<v Speaker 7>her reaction of Trey. When she did meet him.

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<v Speaker 6>She was teaching in the anesthesia department and he was

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<v Speaker 6>a resident and so he was technically her student. And

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<v Speaker 6>the first time she interacted with him, she heard him

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<v Speaker 6>tell a female patient exactly what would be going on

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<v Speaker 6>during the procedure and how he would be taking care

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<v Speaker 6>of her, and he walked her through stuff by step,

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<v Speaker 6>and Nancy said that he was just so gentle and caring.

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<v Speaker 6>It was unlike many other of the residents that she

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<v Speaker 6>had seen, who would just simply put the mask over

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<v Speaker 6>the patient and then count backwards without telling them anything

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<v Speaker 6>that they were going to do, and she was very

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<v Speaker 6>impressed by that. So over the course of about a

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<v Speaker 6>year they started going out, and then eventually they were

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<v Speaker 6>separated for a while because story had a rotation in

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<v Speaker 6>another part of the state in Colorado, and then they

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<v Speaker 6>got back together several months later and started dating and

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<v Speaker 6>then ended up getting married a year or two later.

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<v Speaker 7>What was the characteristic She found him very gentle in

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<v Speaker 7>terms of him professionally, what was leading up to the

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<v Speaker 7>marriage and all indications of from the beginning that they met.

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<v Speaker 7>What was his character like.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, he was very kind and he was also very gentle.

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<v Speaker 6>That was Those were the two adjectives that she used

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<v Speaker 6>to describe him over and over again. And actually many

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<v Speaker 6>of the professional people at the hospital he worked at

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<v Speaker 6>where he eventually became the chief of anisthesiology in his department,

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<v Speaker 6>they said the same thing, that they had never seen

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<v Speaker 6>him backed in a way that was angry or caused

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<v Speaker 6>any alarm or concern. He was just a very gentleman.

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<v Speaker 6>In fact, Nancy was on the back end of a divorce.

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<v Speaker 6>Her first marriage had ended and she and her first

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<v Speaker 6>husband divorce, and when she met Trey he joked that

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<v Speaker 6>she he really appreciated her first husband because he kept her, uh,

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<v Speaker 6>Nancy as a playfolder. He kept he kept a playfolder

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<v Speaker 6>so that Trey could flipped in. And Trey never looked

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<v Speaker 6>at himself with somebody that would win a woman like

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<v Speaker 6>Nancy's heart, because he was booking. She was a geek.

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<v Speaker 6>He didn't, you know, stand out in any way except

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<v Speaker 6>this gentle kind character that he had.

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<v Speaker 7>Now we talk about they being married. They met, they married,

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<v Speaker 7>and they also have plans for a child. So within

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<v Speaker 7>three years they have a child. So tell us a

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<v Speaker 7>little bit about what their decision is as a couple

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<v Speaker 7>to do now that they do have the child, and

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<v Speaker 7>so tell us how things change as a result.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, they changed in the fact that Nancy had been

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<v Speaker 6>doing work with patients and she felt like it was

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<v Speaker 6>not safe to continue doing that pregnant. She didn't want

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<v Speaker 6>to put her child at risk, and so they decided

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<v Speaker 6>together that she would leave her profession in medical field.

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<v Speaker 6>And that was something she wanted to do because she

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<v Speaker 6>And before long their home had become what the Denver

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<v Speaker 6>And it was in that setting that she and her

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<v Speaker 7>Now, is this the home that they built that you

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<v Speaker 7>of the two point two million? Were they at that

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<v Speaker 7>point where they built this dream home, including these incredible

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<v Speaker 6>Yes, And the gardens were built over a period of

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<v Speaker 6>several years. She kept adding to them every year, and

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<v Speaker 6>the home was that two point two million home which

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<v Speaker 6>was exclibit just it had, you know, everything you can

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<v Speaker 6>They had a theater room, which was uncommon at that time.

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<v Speaker 7>Now in terms of lifestyle, it was there anything other

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<v Speaker 7>than this, again, the appearance of normalcy behind the scenes,

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<v Speaker 7>raising their son Daniel, and tell us a little bit

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<v Speaker 7>about again organics in her interest in organic agriculture and horticulture.

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<v Speaker 7>So tell us if there was anything beyond this veil

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<v Speaker 6>Well, at first there was not. The only thing that

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<v Speaker 6>I mean, she really excelled at gardening, and before long

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<v Speaker 6>she was teaching gardening classes. She was traveling around the

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<v Speaker 6>country speaking to different conservatories. And in addition, she and

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<v Speaker 6>Trey and their son Daniel were cultivating these Victoria lilies

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<v Speaker 6>which they would then send either the seedlings or the

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<v Speaker 6>plants around the country and sometimes even the well every

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<v Speaker 6>year they said them around the world to different conservatories,

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<v Speaker 6>and they would a lot of times, they didn't even

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<v Speaker 6>charge for them. The way it was like a gift

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<v Speaker 6>to the world, and everybody that knew their work and

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<v Speaker 6>the extent of how much volunteerism was involved in it

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<v Speaker 6>was just amazed at how just gracious and generous they were.

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<v Speaker 7>Now, let's talk a little bit about some of the

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<v Speaker 7>bad times that begin to happen, and so let's talk

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<v Speaker 7>about Trey's health and what eventually does happen to him.

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<v Speaker 7>In terms of his health.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, in nineteen ninety nine, he started developing He'd had

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<v Speaker 6>that it was a symptom of anything. Nancy said, his

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<v Speaker 6>feet just looked weird. But he started having problems in

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<v Speaker 6>nineteen ninety nine, and that was when he was having

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<v Speaker 6>trouble basically walking and making his legs work. He noticed

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<v Speaker 6>some muscle symptoms, things that he thought were problematic with

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<v Speaker 6>his muscles, and so he went to one doctor after another,

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<v Speaker 6>and the first diagnosi is that he received was not

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<v Speaker 6>actually the correct one, Nancy believes, but he ended up

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<v Speaker 6>the illness. The symptoms kept getting worse, and so the

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<v Speaker 6>doctors were prescribing one medication after another just to try

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<v Speaker 6>to help him function so that he could continue working

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<v Speaker 6>and have a normal life. And it was during this

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<v Speaker 6>time that he got so bad that he was having

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<v Speaker 6>to use a scooter to get around because he would

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<v Speaker 6>just be worn out from walking very far. He figured

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<v Speaker 6>out one time that he was walking an average of

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<v Speaker 6>all his patients. And so what the turning point finally

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<v Speaker 6>came when he couldn't remember whether he had given a

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<v Speaker 6>patient the medicine that he needed before the patient was anesthesized,

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<v Speaker 6>and he realized in retrospect that it was a life

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<v Speaker 6>or decision and it was a mistake that he just

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<v Speaker 6>couldn't live with. So he at that time gave up

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<v Speaker 6>his job.

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<v Speaker 7>So how did that change their life at that moment.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, for a while it was it was okay because

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<v Speaker 6>they had a lot of money in savings, but then

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<v Speaker 6>it turned out that the insurance that he had been

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<v Speaker 6>paying for wasn't It wasn't as much as they thought

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<v Speaker 6>it was going to be. In addition to that, he

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<v Speaker 6>had been in the process of trying to develop this

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<v Speaker 6>piece of computer software and he was a part of

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<v Speaker 6>this antisseusiology group that had formed their own corporation, and

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<v Speaker 6>they actually hired him to finish that software, and he

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<v Speaker 6>brought on a computer program programmer to do that, to

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<v Speaker 6>help him do that. And then somehow during the course

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<v Speaker 6>of the next several years, what happened was it looks

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<v Speaker 6>like that, well it doesn't look like this is actually

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<v Speaker 6>what happened. The Antistesiology group claimed software is their own,

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<v Speaker 6>and Trey tried to take them to court to fight it,

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<v Speaker 6>and in the ensuing lawsuit, he basically ran the family dry.

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<v Speaker 6>He paid this attorney eight hundred thousand dollars to fight

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<v Speaker 6>this case, and the attorney actually was guilty in no

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<v Speaker 6>practice because he didn't even do what he was hired

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<v Speaker 6>to do. So with the money gone then, of course,

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<v Speaker 6>by then his job was gone. They had to give

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<v Speaker 6>up their home and you know, moved to a smaller place,

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<v Speaker 6>and by then they were living on Trey's disability and

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<v Speaker 6>what little bit of money Nancy was bringing in, which

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<v Speaker 6>wasn't much.

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<v Speaker 7>We mentioned you mentioned earlier about the history of his

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<v Speaker 7>family with depression. Tell us about what ensues in terms

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<v Speaker 7>of again we might be jumping a little bit ahead,

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<v Speaker 7>but what this Prussian manifests in terms of a threat

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<v Speaker 7>to the family of his again the suicide. So let's

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<v Speaker 7>let's talk a little bit about just this depression leading

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<v Speaker 7>to Tray's whether it's it's not very serious, but it

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<v Speaker 7>is a threat of suicide.

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<v Speaker 6>Yes, yes, And actually that started when he stopped working

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<v Speaker 6>until the time when he was While he was working,

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<v Speaker 6>even though he was ill, he was he seemed to

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<v Speaker 6>be okay. But then when he had to give up

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<v Speaker 6>his job, he started becoming very introspective and kind of

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<v Speaker 6>pulling away from people. He would have angry outbursts, nothing

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<v Speaker 6>to the point of violently striking anyone, but he would

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<v Speaker 6>just have these frustrated fits of anger where he was

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<v Speaker 6>upset over his condition and he said he'd be better

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<v Speaker 6>off dead. And that seemed to be the first of it,

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<v Speaker 6>and Nancy didn't take it very seriously. But then over

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<v Speaker 6>time from the illness, he became more and more depressed.

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<v Speaker 6>And as the lawsuit progressed and he ended up giving

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<v Speaker 6>this attorney so much money, that was part of the

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<v Speaker 6>depression too. You know, what came first and what the

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<v Speaker 6>end result was can be debatable. Whether it was the

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<v Speaker 6>depression and then that led to his bad decisions with

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<v Speaker 6>the attorney or whether it was the attorney's actions and

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<v Speaker 6>then you know that led to the depression. We don't know.

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<v Speaker 6>But what we do know is that he was being

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<v Speaker 6>treated for this depression and he was taking several drugs

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<v Speaker 6>by that time, both for what they thought was then

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<v Speaker 6>some type of a similar form of Blue Garrett's disease

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<v Speaker 6>at the time and the depression he was being treated

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<v Speaker 6>for all that those problems.

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<v Speaker 7>Now you talked about the two point two million dollar home,

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<v Speaker 7>and it's a beautiful home and you have a great

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<v Speaker 7>photo of it in the book. They had to sell

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<v Speaker 7>for eight hundred and forty thousand. So we've already outlined

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<v Speaker 7>the conditions that these people are not in great condition

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<v Speaker 7>financially whatsoever, in physically, and so their luck has turned

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<v Speaker 7>to say the least. Now with the selling of that home,

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<v Speaker 7>they are looking for a fresh start. So what do

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<v Speaker 7>they where do they look to and what do they

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<v Speaker 6>Well, they actually they actually rented a couple of different

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<v Speaker 6>homes before they went to Aspen, and during that time

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<v Speaker 6>they tried a couple of businesses, one which was a

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<v Speaker 6>printing business, the other I don't remember off the top

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<v Speaker 6>of my head. But neither one of those lasted very

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<v Speaker 6>long for different reasons, nothing that was essential to the

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<v Speaker 6>outcome of the story.

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<v Speaker 8>In the book.

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<v Speaker 6>But what they did decide, and this is Nancy's idea,

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<v Speaker 6>She wanted to open up a medical spa because she

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<v Speaker 6>felt that with her training that she received in France

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<v Speaker 6>that she could provide people with beauty treatments such as

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<v Speaker 6>left into some equipment and training, and then they could

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<v Speaker 6>open up a medical spat and they weren't sure where

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<v Speaker 2>Laundry, a book club, computer solitaire.

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<v Speaker 6>But there was somebody in the Colorado area that suggested

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<v Speaker 6>that's where they that's where the story started with Sister

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<v Speaker 7>Now, they initially meet Nancy Fister and they look at

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<v Speaker 7>they they'd try to judge her character from the very beginning,

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<v Speaker 7>tell us about the background of Nancy Fister, which they

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<v Speaker 7>don't know when they first meet her, but tell us

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<v Speaker 6>Nancy Fister was, by everyone's accounts in the Aspen area,

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<v Speaker 6>a party girl, and she was a heavy drinker. She

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<v Speaker 6>had a problem with alcoholism. She used a lot of painkillers.

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<v Speaker 6>She would daily take handfills of pills with her champagne,

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<v Speaker 6>this stink champagne that she preferred to drink. And it

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<v Speaker 6>seemed that according to the people that knew her well,

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<v Speaker 6>that she would be intoxicated by name every day.

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<v Speaker 7>Now she's the goddaughter of Hunter S. Thompson. As such,

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<v Speaker 7>she talks about her background and uses that to her

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<v Speaker 7>advantage to gain leverage over people. And as you describe

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<v Speaker 7>in the book, she never has her hands in her

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<v Speaker 7>own pockets to pay for anything. So tell us about

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<v Speaker 7>some of the dealings with people and what characterizes Nancy

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<v Speaker 7>Fister at this time in her life. When Trey and

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<v Speaker 7>Nancy meet.

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<v Speaker 6>Her, she is actually in the fall wanting to go

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<v Speaker 6>to Australia because she has gotten to the point in

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<v Speaker 6>her life where she doesn't like the cold, snowy weather

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<v Speaker 6>in Aspen. So she was making plans to travel to

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00:26:13.400 --> 00:26:15.839
<v Speaker 6>Australia for a few months. She thought she might invest

424
00:26:16.200 --> 00:26:18.880
<v Speaker 6>her mother's inheritance, which she was due to receive in

425
00:26:18.920 --> 00:26:25.079
<v Speaker 6>November two thousand and thirteen, and she wanted to get

426
00:26:25.079 --> 00:26:26.559
<v Speaker 6>that out of the way. And then she did what

427
00:26:26.680 --> 00:26:28.480
<v Speaker 6>she usually did in a later time. She put an

428
00:26:28.480 --> 00:26:32.119
<v Speaker 6>ad in the paper to rent out her home, and

429
00:26:32.160 --> 00:26:35.279
<v Speaker 6>the stylers saw that ad and they answered it, and

430
00:26:35.319 --> 00:26:40.759
<v Speaker 6>that's how they met her. She was unfortunately known for

431
00:26:40.920 --> 00:26:45.039
<v Speaker 6>kicking her tenants out early almost without fail every time,

432
00:26:45.079 --> 00:26:48.079
<v Speaker 6>including people, but she had rented too that she considered

433
00:26:48.119 --> 00:26:51.119
<v Speaker 6>close friends. But the Stylers, of course, being outsiders and

434
00:26:51.200 --> 00:26:53.240
<v Speaker 6>not from the area, we're not familiar with that pattern.

435
00:26:56.039 --> 00:26:59.359
<v Speaker 7>Now in their first conversation when they do answer this ad,

436
00:27:00.039 --> 00:27:05.119
<v Speaker 7>that's very interesting. What is the end result of that conversation?

437
00:27:05.240 --> 00:27:10.799
<v Speaker 7>And in regards to Nancy and her enthusiasm they've had,

438
00:27:12.119 --> 00:27:16.119
<v Speaker 7>they went from incredible luck and fortune and wealth and

439
00:27:16.880 --> 00:27:22.000
<v Speaker 7>affluence to the exact opposite. So she is looking for

440
00:27:22.079 --> 00:27:25.759
<v Speaker 7>again this fresh start. They have been convinced to move

441
00:27:25.799 --> 00:27:28.079
<v Speaker 7>to aspen As that this would be a great place

442
00:27:28.119 --> 00:27:30.720
<v Speaker 7>for those kinds of people, the kind of people and

443
00:27:30.799 --> 00:27:33.920
<v Speaker 7>couple that they were so tell us about this phone

444
00:27:33.960 --> 00:27:36.720
<v Speaker 7>call they have with Nancy Fister and why is it

445
00:27:36.759 --> 00:27:39.039
<v Speaker 7>so encouraging to Nancy and Trey.

446
00:27:39.559 --> 00:27:41.440
<v Speaker 6>Well, they couldn't find a house to rent that would

447
00:27:41.480 --> 00:27:48.640
<v Speaker 6>one either accommodate trays disability. He couldn't do stairs well,

448
00:27:48.799 --> 00:27:50.680
<v Speaker 6>he could do them that, he couldn't do them well,

449
00:27:51.480 --> 00:27:53.960
<v Speaker 6>and so they wanted something that would accommodate him. But

450
00:27:54.000 --> 00:27:57.680
<v Speaker 6>in addition to that, he has he had an allergy

451
00:27:57.720 --> 00:28:00.000
<v Speaker 6>a catalogy. So a lot of the humes that they

452
00:28:00.079 --> 00:28:04.480
<v Speaker 6>looked at were hadn't been inhabited with kat, so it

453
00:28:04.640 --> 00:28:07.960
<v Speaker 6>kind of made them a place difficult to find. And

454
00:28:08.039 --> 00:28:12.279
<v Speaker 6>so when they came across the ad for sister's home,

455
00:28:13.240 --> 00:28:17.960
<v Speaker 6>they Nancy actually called. And Nancy Fister thought that it

456
00:28:18.160 --> 00:28:23.119
<v Speaker 6>was serendipity karma, if you will, that they wanted a

457
00:28:23.160 --> 00:28:25.880
<v Speaker 6>home right away, and that she had one to rent

458
00:28:25.960 --> 00:28:30.119
<v Speaker 6>and that met the criteria supposedly meth the criteria. So

459
00:28:30.160 --> 00:28:31.759
<v Speaker 6>she told them to come right over because there was

460
00:28:31.799 --> 00:28:33.759
<v Speaker 6>another family that was scheduled to show up and looked

461
00:28:33.759 --> 00:28:36.359
<v Speaker 6>at it, but those that couple had children, and she

462
00:28:36.400 --> 00:28:38.680
<v Speaker 6>didn't really want anybody with children in her home, and

463
00:28:38.759 --> 00:28:41.720
<v Speaker 6>so she encouraged them to come over. And when they

464
00:28:41.759 --> 00:28:46.119
<v Speaker 6>met her, she had you know, the usual champagne in

465
00:28:46.119 --> 00:28:51.200
<v Speaker 6>her glass, and she was very very bubbly and social,

466
00:28:51.279 --> 00:28:54.240
<v Speaker 6>and they took to her right away. She seemed very

467
00:28:54.240 --> 00:28:56.519
<v Speaker 6>friendly and gracious, and they liked that. They thought that

468
00:28:56.839 --> 00:28:58.799
<v Speaker 6>it was a one welcome And in addition to that,

469
00:28:58.880 --> 00:29:01.559
<v Speaker 6>when she heard what they're playings were, she told them

470
00:29:01.559 --> 00:29:03.759
<v Speaker 6>that they could open up their medical spa in her home.

471
00:29:04.400 --> 00:29:06.720
<v Speaker 6>And they thought that that was just perfect because it

472
00:29:06.759 --> 00:29:09.519
<v Speaker 6>would save them the cost of brning both a location

473
00:29:09.680 --> 00:29:12.240
<v Speaker 6>for the spa and a place for them to live.

474
00:29:15.039 --> 00:29:19.279
<v Speaker 7>Now, Nancy Fister is a really gregarious, like you say,

475
00:29:19.319 --> 00:29:24.400
<v Speaker 7>a party girl. She's drinking champagne and again very outgoing

476
00:29:24.440 --> 00:29:28.599
<v Speaker 7>and friendly and promising Nancy and Trey that they could

477
00:29:28.720 --> 00:29:31.240
<v Speaker 7>they're welcome to come into her home and set up

478
00:29:31.279 --> 00:29:36.200
<v Speaker 7>their business. But soon after the real character of Nancy

479
00:29:36.200 --> 00:29:41.880
<v Speaker 7>Fister is evident. And what little things do Nancy and

480
00:29:41.920 --> 00:29:47.160
<v Speaker 7>Trey find out almost immediately, well, they.

481
00:29:47.079 --> 00:29:52.039
<v Speaker 6>Found out that she was, indeed, as you would say,

482
00:29:52.200 --> 00:29:55.119
<v Speaker 6>a cheap skate. She didn't want to pay for anything

483
00:29:56.519 --> 00:29:59.119
<v Speaker 6>out of clock that she would offer, she would not offer,

484
00:29:59.200 --> 00:30:01.799
<v Speaker 6>but she would ask them, like to pick her up

485
00:30:01.839 --> 00:30:04.200
<v Speaker 6>some of her champaigne that she liked when one of

486
00:30:04.240 --> 00:30:07.039
<v Speaker 6>them was making a trip to Denver, and they thought

487
00:30:07.039 --> 00:30:09.039
<v Speaker 6>that that meant she would repay them, and of course

488
00:30:09.359 --> 00:30:12.119
<v Speaker 6>she thought that meant in her mind that that was

489
00:30:12.160 --> 00:30:14.279
<v Speaker 6>just a gift that they were getting for her. And

490
00:30:14.400 --> 00:30:17.400
<v Speaker 6>so little things like that happened. But in addition to that,

491
00:30:17.920 --> 00:30:22.359
<v Speaker 6>she seemed to be very overly friendly with men, not

492
00:30:22.440 --> 00:30:26.319
<v Speaker 6>with women, but with men, And Nancy was never jealous

493
00:30:26.359 --> 00:30:29.839
<v Speaker 6>of sister's behavior, even though it extended to Trey and

494
00:30:29.880 --> 00:30:34.960
<v Speaker 6>Trey wasn't the least bit looking at it as something

495
00:30:34.960 --> 00:30:38.920
<v Speaker 6>that he would exercise the right to help himself to

496
00:30:38.960 --> 00:30:40.960
<v Speaker 6>what this woman seemed to be offering, and she did

497
00:30:41.000 --> 00:30:42.920
<v Speaker 6>a lot of the men who showed up there, but

498
00:30:44.039 --> 00:30:46.880
<v Speaker 6>Nancy was just taken back by how blatant it was.

499
00:30:47.599 --> 00:30:51.440
<v Speaker 6>And they saw several men come and go, different men

500
00:30:51.480 --> 00:30:54.359
<v Speaker 6>that she would spend the night with there in her home,

501
00:30:54.880 --> 00:30:58.359
<v Speaker 6>and it just was not what they expected.

502
00:31:00.400 --> 00:31:02.920
<v Speaker 7>With this as well, with the drinking and the lifestyle

503
00:31:03.000 --> 00:31:06.200
<v Speaker 7>and the various men dropping by, and then you talk

504
00:31:06.279 --> 00:31:09.839
<v Speaker 7>about the arguments that she would have, but also that

505
00:31:10.640 --> 00:31:14.880
<v Speaker 7>not so gradually the Trey and Nancy realized that they

506
00:31:14.880 --> 00:31:17.319
<v Speaker 7>were almost her slave, that she would expect them to

507
00:31:17.400 --> 00:31:20.599
<v Speaker 7>rubb her feet, rub her shoulders, go get this, go

508
00:31:20.680 --> 00:31:24.319
<v Speaker 7>do that. So a lot of chauffeuring, a lot of

509
00:31:24.480 --> 00:31:27.960
<v Speaker 7>personal things that she would get them to do. So

510
00:31:28.000 --> 00:31:32.839
<v Speaker 7>they realized that this relationship came with many many strings attached,

511
00:31:32.839 --> 00:31:33.279
<v Speaker 7>didn't it.

512
00:31:33.680 --> 00:31:35.960
<v Speaker 6>Yes, And in fact that was part of the problem,

513
00:31:35.960 --> 00:31:39.559
<v Speaker 6>and that was the growing frustration for Nancy Styler, not

514
00:31:39.720 --> 00:31:42.880
<v Speaker 6>so much for Trey, because Trey actually wasn't around as

515
00:31:42.960 --> 00:31:45.119
<v Speaker 6>much as Nancy was. She was going back and forth

516
00:31:46.079 --> 00:31:48.720
<v Speaker 6>getting furniture and taking care of business where they'd lived before,

517
00:31:48.799 --> 00:31:52.440
<v Speaker 6>but Nancy was there much more and expected to basically, yeah,

518
00:31:52.519 --> 00:31:53.599
<v Speaker 6>be her servant.

519
00:31:56.119 --> 00:32:03.319
<v Speaker 7>Now, tell us about the circumstances that Nancy Fister introduces

520
00:32:03.400 --> 00:32:06.039
<v Speaker 7>Kathy Carpenter to Trey and Nancy.

521
00:32:09.279 --> 00:32:14.640
<v Speaker 6>Kathy Carpenter was Nancy Fister's closest friend, and she was

522
00:32:14.680 --> 00:32:18.640
<v Speaker 6>also like an unpaid personal assistant. She helped Nancy with

523
00:32:18.680 --> 00:32:22.359
<v Speaker 6>her banking because Kathy was a bank teller at Alpine

524
00:32:22.440 --> 00:32:24.920
<v Speaker 6>Bank and she had worked there for several years I

525
00:32:24.960 --> 00:32:31.519
<v Speaker 6>believe about fifteen years, and she introduced her to Nancy

526
00:32:31.559 --> 00:32:37.880
<v Speaker 6>and to Trey, and they actually shared the care of

527
00:32:38.680 --> 00:32:43.079
<v Speaker 6>sister's labradoodle, a black labradoodle whose name was Gabe. He

528
00:32:43.160 --> 00:32:47.359
<v Speaker 6>was a puppy, and so Nancy and Trey met Kathy

529
00:32:47.440 --> 00:32:52.240
<v Speaker 6>under those circumstances, and before long before them were very

530
00:32:52.359 --> 00:32:56.400
<v Speaker 6>very attached to Gabe, not just Fister and Carpenter, but

531
00:32:56.440 --> 00:32:57.559
<v Speaker 6>also Nancy and Trey.

532
00:32:58.039 --> 00:33:03.359
<v Speaker 7>Part of the attraction as friends between Kathy Carpenter and

533
00:33:03.440 --> 00:33:08.079
<v Speaker 7>Nancy Fister was that, of course, being a party person,

534
00:33:09.000 --> 00:33:12.720
<v Speaker 7>Nancy Fister was a drinker and Kathy was a drinker.

535
00:33:12.799 --> 00:33:17.000
<v Speaker 7>But tell us about the why things were a strain

536
00:33:17.079 --> 00:33:20.440
<v Speaker 7>between the relationship, especially with Kathy and Nancy.

537
00:33:20.799 --> 00:33:25.920
<v Speaker 6>At that time, well, they became a strange. They were

538
00:33:25.920 --> 00:33:30.680
<v Speaker 6>strained because Kathy was trying to become sober and she

539
00:33:30.799 --> 00:33:36.480
<v Speaker 6>had started going to AA meetings and she was getting

540
00:33:36.480 --> 00:33:39.720
<v Speaker 6>her life back on track, and she had a very

541
00:33:39.759 --> 00:33:43.680
<v Speaker 6>hard time maintaining her sobriety when she was around Fister.

542
00:33:43.839 --> 00:33:47.839
<v Speaker 6>So she was trying to put some distance between herself

543
00:33:48.359 --> 00:33:52.480
<v Speaker 6>and Nancy Fister, and that actually came into play more

544
00:33:52.519 --> 00:33:55.759
<v Speaker 6>after Fister left for Australia, but it had already started

545
00:33:55.759 --> 00:33:58.880
<v Speaker 6>a little bit before sister went to Australia, and so

546
00:33:59.319 --> 00:34:02.160
<v Speaker 6>Nancy saw that and thought that it was you know,

547
00:34:02.279 --> 00:34:05.839
<v Speaker 6>she's a health care worker first and foremost. She takes

548
00:34:05.880 --> 00:34:11.320
<v Speaker 6>care of people, and so she could discern that Kathy

549
00:34:11.599 --> 00:34:13.760
<v Speaker 6>needed to be stronger, and she tried to encourage her

550
00:34:13.800 --> 00:34:16.039
<v Speaker 6>at different times when she could too, to do what

551
00:34:16.119 --> 00:34:18.159
<v Speaker 6>she had to and to not let sister have that

552
00:34:18.280 --> 00:34:19.400
<v Speaker 6>hold over her anymore.

553
00:34:21.880 --> 00:34:24.679
<v Speaker 7>Now we talked about Nancy's plan to go to Australia.

554
00:34:25.239 --> 00:34:29.599
<v Speaker 7>So in this ensuing period between Trey and Nancy moving

555
00:34:29.599 --> 00:34:34.000
<v Speaker 7>into this home, the promises of letting Trey and Nancy

556
00:34:34.159 --> 00:34:38.639
<v Speaker 7>or Nancy operate her SPA out of this home. What

557
00:34:38.800 --> 00:34:42.679
<v Speaker 7>happened in an ensuing period before she left Australia was

558
00:34:42.760 --> 00:34:46.559
<v Speaker 7>their opinion of the prospect of this business being open

559
00:34:46.599 --> 00:34:51.119
<v Speaker 7>in her home. Still on the forefront, did they still

560
00:34:51.119 --> 00:34:55.440
<v Speaker 7>believe that? But what things had changed in terms of

561
00:34:55.480 --> 00:34:59.760
<v Speaker 7>their assessment of the relationship with Nancy before she left

562
00:34:59.800 --> 00:35:00.440
<v Speaker 7>us really.

563
00:35:01.000 --> 00:35:03.800
<v Speaker 6>Well, in addition to the in addition to the feeling

564
00:35:03.840 --> 00:35:07.599
<v Speaker 6>of servitude and of noticing that she was entitled and

565
00:35:07.639 --> 00:35:12.119
<v Speaker 6>expected the world to revolve around her, they also realized

566
00:35:12.159 --> 00:35:15.280
<v Speaker 6>that as and as they had paid the first six

567
00:35:15.320 --> 00:35:19.360
<v Speaker 6>thousand dollars that they owed her, that she became a

568
00:35:19.440 --> 00:35:24.000
<v Speaker 6>little bit difficult. And by that, I mean that she

569
00:35:24.079 --> 00:35:29.480
<v Speaker 6>would she would become angry, and she would be uh,

570
00:35:29.880 --> 00:35:35.800
<v Speaker 6>what's the word. She would be belittling to them, especially

571
00:35:35.800 --> 00:35:39.239
<v Speaker 6>to Nancy sister, not like Nancy Styler, not so much Trey.

572
00:35:39.400 --> 00:35:39.760
<v Speaker 8>She did.

573
00:35:39.800 --> 00:35:43.559
<v Speaker 6>She definitely did not treat Trey as badly as she

574
00:35:43.679 --> 00:35:49.239
<v Speaker 6>did his wife. And then there was the sense that

575
00:35:50.159 --> 00:35:55.280
<v Speaker 6>she was not going to be It was kind of

576
00:35:55.320 --> 00:35:57.519
<v Speaker 6>like her stories would change and they didn't know whether

577
00:35:57.559 --> 00:36:00.800
<v Speaker 6>she was forgetting things because of the alcoholism or what.

578
00:36:01.000 --> 00:36:03.559
<v Speaker 6>They thought maybe they could help her at first, Tray especially,

579
00:36:03.559 --> 00:36:06.039
<v Speaker 6>but then they came to realize by the time she

580
00:36:06.079 --> 00:36:08.840
<v Speaker 6>left for Australia that she was pretty much beyond help

581
00:36:08.880 --> 00:36:11.360
<v Speaker 6>and they just wanted to be able to open their

582
00:36:11.360 --> 00:36:14.559
<v Speaker 6>spa and live in her home and then you know,

583
00:36:14.599 --> 00:36:16.440
<v Speaker 6>when she came back six months later.

584
00:36:16.480 --> 00:36:17.360
<v Speaker 8>Originally that was.

585
00:36:17.280 --> 00:36:21.000
<v Speaker 6>The plan, they would you know, have to have something

586
00:36:21.400 --> 00:36:27.320
<v Speaker 6>different between by then. But once she left for Australia November, yes,

587
00:36:27.360 --> 00:36:29.519
<v Speaker 6>the plan was still for them to open the spot

588
00:36:29.639 --> 00:36:30.119
<v Speaker 6>in her home.

589
00:36:32.480 --> 00:36:35.880
<v Speaker 7>Now let's fast forward a little bit to what happens

590
00:36:36.920 --> 00:36:40.360
<v Speaker 7>during the trip that would have alarmed them or changed

591
00:36:40.719 --> 00:36:43.960
<v Speaker 7>anything at all, and then the return from Australia and

592
00:36:44.039 --> 00:36:47.519
<v Speaker 7>her behavior nancies well.

593
00:36:46.960 --> 00:36:50.679
<v Speaker 6>Within two weeks of leaving for Australia, they were getting

594
00:36:50.719 --> 00:36:54.159
<v Speaker 6>emails from her demanding the rest of the money and

595
00:36:54.239 --> 00:36:58.360
<v Speaker 6>the total money that they owed from the time they

596
00:36:58.400 --> 00:37:01.800
<v Speaker 6>moved in when she left for Australia. They actually were

597
00:37:01.840 --> 00:37:04.639
<v Speaker 6>living there free until she left for Australia, because that

598
00:37:04.719 --> 00:37:07.119
<v Speaker 6>was the charms that she gave them was if you

599
00:37:07.199 --> 00:37:09.239
<v Speaker 6>move in here and help me get ready for Australia,

600
00:37:09.320 --> 00:37:12.960
<v Speaker 6>you know, you can look for a month free. But anyway,

601
00:37:13.000 --> 00:37:14.880
<v Speaker 6>there was a three month period and they were going

602
00:37:14.920 --> 00:37:19.679
<v Speaker 6>to pay first, last, and present month's rent, so that

603
00:37:19.719 --> 00:37:22.039
<v Speaker 6>would have been a total of twelve thousand dollars. And

604
00:37:22.079 --> 00:37:24.320
<v Speaker 6>so they gave her six thousand before she left, and

605
00:37:24.320 --> 00:37:26.400
<v Speaker 6>they were getting the other six thousand. There was a

606
00:37:26.400 --> 00:37:29.760
<v Speaker 6>little bit of a lap, so it wasn't coming as

607
00:37:29.800 --> 00:37:33.519
<v Speaker 6>quickly as they thought it would. But she became serious

608
00:37:33.559 --> 00:37:36.480
<v Speaker 6>and within two weeks she was demanding the money, and

609
00:37:36.559 --> 00:37:40.119
<v Speaker 6>within probably a week after that, she was demanding that

610
00:37:40.159 --> 00:37:42.880
<v Speaker 6>they leave, basically saying they were trailer trash they needed

611
00:37:42.920 --> 00:37:45.039
<v Speaker 6>to go back where they came from. And by the

612
00:37:45.159 --> 00:37:50.639
<v Speaker 6>end of December, she was just all out in war

613
00:37:50.719 --> 00:37:53.880
<v Speaker 6>with them through these emails, having her attorney call them

614
00:37:53.880 --> 00:37:57.159
<v Speaker 6>and send them harrassing letters. She had looped in with

615
00:37:57.880 --> 00:38:02.760
<v Speaker 6>CC's and her emails. The sheriff, the former sheriff, Bob

616
00:38:02.800 --> 00:38:06.360
<v Speaker 6>brought us from the deputies, and she had even gone

617
00:38:06.400 --> 00:38:10.199
<v Speaker 6>so far as ask law enforcement to evict them because

618
00:38:10.239 --> 00:38:13.000
<v Speaker 6>they weren't paying, which wasn't true at all. They were

619
00:38:13.079 --> 00:38:16.119
<v Speaker 6>laid in pain, but they actually did pay. But she

620
00:38:16.400 --> 00:38:19.679
<v Speaker 6>just changed. It was just amazing her change. After she

621
00:38:20.239 --> 00:38:25.159
<v Speaker 6>left for Australia.

622
00:38:23.719 --> 00:38:28.559
<v Speaker 7>There was a point when Nancy bragged to Nancy Styler

623
00:38:28.639 --> 00:38:32.800
<v Speaker 7>that she was close friends or family friends with the

624
00:38:32.840 --> 00:38:34.679
<v Speaker 7>sheriff Joe de Silva. Is that correct?

625
00:38:35.559 --> 00:38:37.719
<v Speaker 6>Yes, yes, she did. In fact, she said that she

626
00:38:37.760 --> 00:38:40.039
<v Speaker 6>would go down there and shoot the ball all the time.

627
00:38:43.199 --> 00:38:47.840
<v Speaker 7>Now tell us about Nancy's return, and at that point

628
00:38:48.000 --> 00:38:50.719
<v Speaker 7>Nancy and Trey are planning to do what.

629
00:38:52.559 --> 00:38:56.760
<v Speaker 6>Well by the time sister was well, let me back

630
00:38:56.800 --> 00:39:00.719
<v Speaker 6>up a minute. Nancy and Trey realized in Janeanuary, it

631
00:39:00.800 --> 00:39:04.239
<v Speaker 6>was not too long after January first, that they couldn't

632
00:39:04.360 --> 00:39:06.800
<v Speaker 6>stay there and that they had to try to get

633
00:39:06.840 --> 00:39:09.639
<v Speaker 6>out as soon as they could. So they actually began

634
00:39:09.760 --> 00:39:12.239
<v Speaker 6>looking for other places to live. But in the meantime,

635
00:39:12.800 --> 00:39:14.679
<v Speaker 6>sister kind of pulled the rug out from under them

636
00:39:14.719 --> 00:39:17.880
<v Speaker 6>and gave them four days notice that she was returning

637
00:39:19.280 --> 00:39:24.000
<v Speaker 6>onnor about February twenty second, and so they Kathy Carpenter,

638
00:39:24.960 --> 00:39:29.400
<v Speaker 6>a couple of other friends of Carpenters came up and

639
00:39:29.519 --> 00:39:31.960
<v Speaker 6>helped them load up the U haul to get all

640
00:39:32.000 --> 00:39:37.199
<v Speaker 6>their stuff out. And then in those days when they

641
00:39:37.239 --> 00:39:42.119
<v Speaker 6>were moving, Carpenter and the Skylar's traded cards because Carpenter

642
00:39:42.199 --> 00:39:45.960
<v Speaker 6>had a station wagon that would accommodate more things in it,

643
00:39:46.360 --> 00:39:49.760
<v Speaker 6>and she took their Jaguar to the airport on that

644
00:39:49.880 --> 00:39:59.840
<v Speaker 6>Saturday to pick Fister up as she returned from Australia.

645
00:39:56.920 --> 00:40:02.760
<v Speaker 7>And tell us at that point what was Kathy saying

646
00:40:02.800 --> 00:40:05.920
<v Speaker 7>to Nancy in terms of about her friend Fister.

647
00:40:09.360 --> 00:40:15.199
<v Speaker 6>She was telling Nancy that sister wanted her to get

648
00:40:15.199 --> 00:40:19.519
<v Speaker 6>everything set up for her return, have her champagne on ice,

649
00:40:20.800 --> 00:40:22.639
<v Speaker 6>have her bed made up the way she wanted it,

650
00:40:24.519 --> 00:40:28.760
<v Speaker 6>have all their things out, and then at the last minute,

651
00:40:29.440 --> 00:40:32.079
<v Speaker 6>she wanted to know if they didn't want to leave

652
00:40:32.199 --> 00:40:34.880
<v Speaker 6>the home that weekend when she got in, if they

653
00:40:34.920 --> 00:40:38.440
<v Speaker 6>would pay whatever the rate was for the hotel Jerome,

654
00:40:38.519 --> 00:40:40.440
<v Speaker 6>which was I think like maybe two thousand the night,

655
00:40:40.800 --> 00:40:42.360
<v Speaker 6>that she would just stay there and they could stay

656
00:40:42.360 --> 00:40:44.480
<v Speaker 6>there for the weekend and continue moving because they weren't

657
00:40:44.480 --> 00:40:47.039
<v Speaker 6>completely moved. Like I said, she only gave them four

658
00:40:47.119 --> 00:40:50.440
<v Speaker 6>days notice. But then after they didn't do that. Of course,

659
00:40:50.440 --> 00:40:52.760
<v Speaker 6>they went to the cheapest hotel they could find, the

660
00:40:52.840 --> 00:40:59.199
<v Speaker 6>Abstronaut Lodge, and they moved everything they could into storage

661
00:40:59.679 --> 00:41:04.119
<v Speaker 6>and went to the motel and hoped that everything would

662
00:41:04.119 --> 00:41:07.000
<v Speaker 6>be okay when she came back, because what they had

663
00:41:07.039 --> 00:41:09.159
<v Speaker 6>done after she left for Australia was they put all

664
00:41:09.159 --> 00:41:12.440
<v Speaker 6>her valuables in the upstairs closet and walked it and

665
00:41:12.480 --> 00:41:15.800
<v Speaker 6>Carpenter helped with this, and they did that to make

666
00:41:15.840 --> 00:41:18.960
<v Speaker 6>sure everything was protected and nothing was damaged or stolen,

667
00:41:19.519 --> 00:41:21.719
<v Speaker 6>and that was what she requested, and they did that.

668
00:41:21.800 --> 00:41:23.920
<v Speaker 6>So they had to put everything back up, They had

669
00:41:23.920 --> 00:41:26.039
<v Speaker 6>to hang pictures on the wall, they had to new furniture,

670
00:41:26.039 --> 00:41:28.440
<v Speaker 6>they had to get everything back in order. Nancy had

671
00:41:28.559 --> 00:41:31.280
<v Speaker 6>washed all of sister's linens and she had put them

672
00:41:31.320 --> 00:41:33.039
<v Speaker 6>back in the house instead of having them in the

673
00:41:33.039 --> 00:41:37.719
<v Speaker 6>basement where they'd been stored. And everything was just put

674
00:41:37.760 --> 00:41:39.679
<v Speaker 6>back in order, and so they were in the hotel

675
00:41:39.719 --> 00:41:43.280
<v Speaker 6>hoping that everything was okay. And what ultimately happened was

676
00:41:43.960 --> 00:41:52.519
<v Speaker 6>that Sunday, when Carpenter and Trey traded vehicles back, Carpenter

677
00:41:53.079 --> 00:41:56.079
<v Speaker 6>handed him an envelope on which Fister had written on

678
00:41:56.119 --> 00:41:59.199
<v Speaker 6>the back that they owed her about fourteen thousand dollars

679
00:41:59.280 --> 00:42:06.239
<v Speaker 6>in damages. The damageards were totally totally made up. They

680
00:42:06.239 --> 00:42:09.559
<v Speaker 6>weren't There wasn't anything significance they had done that would

681
00:42:09.599 --> 00:42:12.559
<v Speaker 6>have caused them to owe her fourteen thousand dollars. But

682
00:42:12.760 --> 00:42:15.639
<v Speaker 6>what she said was was that since they hadn't gotten

683
00:42:15.760 --> 00:42:18.840
<v Speaker 6>their spot equipment out of her home yet, which they

684
00:42:18.840 --> 00:42:20.840
<v Speaker 6>hadn't even had a chance to use because as it

685
00:42:20.880 --> 00:42:23.280
<v Speaker 6>turned out, there was a water problem that wouldn't let

686
00:42:23.320 --> 00:42:26.519
<v Speaker 6>them set it up. She was going to hold on

687
00:42:26.519 --> 00:42:28.360
<v Speaker 6>to that equipment, and it was about one hundred hundred

688
00:42:28.360 --> 00:42:31.760
<v Speaker 6>and fifty thousand dollars worth of equipment. And so what

689
00:42:31.960 --> 00:42:34.480
<v Speaker 6>Tray realized, and he didn't share this with Nancy because

690
00:42:34.519 --> 00:42:38.280
<v Speaker 6>Nancy was becoming depressed over the whole situation, what Tray

691
00:42:38.320 --> 00:42:41.840
<v Speaker 6>realized was that if Fister kept that equipment, they wouldn't

692
00:42:41.880 --> 00:42:44.239
<v Speaker 6>be able to support themselves.

693
00:42:47.280 --> 00:42:50.960
<v Speaker 7>Now, they did talk to some people. They did talk

694
00:42:51.000 --> 00:42:56.400
<v Speaker 7>to Susan Worcoh And again there's dispute on what was

695
00:42:56.440 --> 00:42:59.360
<v Speaker 7>said in the phone call, but apparently the sun Sam said,

696
00:42:59.639 --> 00:43:03.199
<v Speaker 7>you know, if anything goes wrong there, if anything's taken

697
00:43:03.239 --> 00:43:07.000
<v Speaker 7>from there, they'll blame you. So in response to what

698
00:43:07.119 --> 00:43:10.920
<v Speaker 7>Nancy said she heard from Sam, what did they do

699
00:43:11.000 --> 00:43:13.960
<v Speaker 7>in terms of contacting the police and why?

700
00:43:14.920 --> 00:43:18.400
<v Speaker 6>Well, yeah, and that was a very important, important part

701
00:43:18.440 --> 00:43:20.760
<v Speaker 6>of a story that a lot of the media didn't have.

702
00:43:22.079 --> 00:43:24.920
<v Speaker 6>They didn't have the details of when they reported on

703
00:43:24.960 --> 00:43:30.880
<v Speaker 6>this case. But Nancy actually called an attorney because a

704
00:43:30.920 --> 00:43:37.599
<v Speaker 6>couple of people, including one of her sister's closest friends,

705
00:43:37.639 --> 00:43:40.719
<v Speaker 6>advised her to check with an attorney and see what

706
00:43:40.800 --> 00:43:45.639
<v Speaker 6>their rights were, and also to call the sheriff's department

707
00:43:45.719 --> 00:43:48.760
<v Speaker 6>and ask if they would send a deputy up when

708
00:43:48.880 --> 00:43:51.880
<v Speaker 6>they interacted with sister after her return, so that there

709
00:43:51.920 --> 00:43:55.400
<v Speaker 6>would be you know, projection there if she grew angry

710
00:43:56.039 --> 00:43:59.320
<v Speaker 6>and accused them of anything. So Nancy made that call

711
00:43:59.559 --> 00:44:02.760
<v Speaker 6>to the show department, and she called twice two days

712
00:44:02.760 --> 00:44:06.440
<v Speaker 6>in a row, and she was told that what they

713
00:44:06.480 --> 00:44:08.199
<v Speaker 6>had to do was show up and if there was

714
00:44:08.199 --> 00:44:11.320
<v Speaker 6>a problem then the police would come to their assistance.

715
00:44:11.360 --> 00:44:14.519
<v Speaker 7>At that time, at that moment in time, Because this

716
00:44:14.559 --> 00:44:21.119
<v Speaker 7>will be important. What was Trey's styler's health? What was

717
00:44:21.159 --> 00:44:25.679
<v Speaker 7>his actual health like? And in terms of his bad health,

718
00:44:26.119 --> 00:44:27.760
<v Speaker 7>what did that prevent him from doing?

719
00:44:27.880 --> 00:44:36.000
<v Speaker 8>In practical terms, Well, his health was it was bad.

720
00:44:36.079 --> 00:44:39.800
<v Speaker 6>I don't think it was as bad as everyone thought

721
00:44:39.880 --> 00:44:41.880
<v Speaker 6>it was. And I'm not sure if I'm answering your

722
00:44:41.960 --> 00:44:45.440
<v Speaker 6>question correctly, so he might need to redirect me. But

723
00:44:45.920 --> 00:44:50.519
<v Speaker 6>he was still having trouble to some extent with stairs.

724
00:44:51.400 --> 00:44:52.400
<v Speaker 8>But he was seeing.

725
00:44:52.239 --> 00:44:55.519
<v Speaker 6>Lifting boxes as they were moving. People saw him lifting

726
00:44:55.559 --> 00:44:58.920
<v Speaker 6>boxes and according to their son, Daniel. There would be

727
00:44:58.960 --> 00:45:02.199
<v Speaker 6>times a lot of time when Trey actually could do

728
00:45:02.320 --> 00:45:04.079
<v Speaker 6>a lot physically, but then he would pay for it

729
00:45:04.159 --> 00:45:06.760
<v Speaker 6>because he would be so wiped out afterwards. Is that

730
00:45:06.800 --> 00:45:07.519
<v Speaker 6>what you meant, right?

731
00:45:08.519 --> 00:45:16.079
<v Speaker 7>Yes? Yes, So let's talk about the moving day and

732
00:45:16.159 --> 00:45:20.440
<v Speaker 7>what Trey and Nancy experienced, at least what especially what

733
00:45:20.639 --> 00:45:24.400
<v Speaker 7>Nancy saw and experienced that day. They had hired some

734
00:45:25.000 --> 00:45:27.559
<v Speaker 7>movers to help them with this move as well, So

735
00:45:27.960 --> 00:45:31.719
<v Speaker 7>tell us about what happened that day and Nancy's experience

736
00:45:32.719 --> 00:45:33.360
<v Speaker 7>in that move.

737
00:45:34.480 --> 00:45:36.960
<v Speaker 6>Okay, well, they had been moving for the four days,

738
00:45:37.000 --> 00:45:39.039
<v Speaker 6>notice that they have, and then they were actually staying

739
00:45:39.480 --> 00:45:42.039
<v Speaker 6>in a motel about Saturday night when sister came back.

740
00:45:42.079 --> 00:45:45.199
<v Speaker 6>That was her first night in the hotel in the Asthmall.

741
00:45:45.599 --> 00:45:52.119
<v Speaker 6>And then Sunday night they didn't hear from her, and

742
00:45:52.159 --> 00:45:55.000
<v Speaker 6>on Monday morning they went up to her house to

743
00:45:55.079 --> 00:45:58.400
<v Speaker 6>try to move the moving van that had gotten stuck

744
00:45:58.400 --> 00:46:00.880
<v Speaker 6>in the snow and left there, and when they knocked

745
00:46:00.920 --> 00:46:06.480
<v Speaker 6>on the door, she wasn't around. Well, actually, let me

746
00:46:06.599 --> 00:46:13.039
<v Speaker 6>let me step back Monday morning. Okay, let's see, I'm

747
00:46:13.079 --> 00:46:16.920
<v Speaker 6>getting ahead of myself. Let me Monday afternoon was when

748
00:46:16.960 --> 00:46:19.800
<v Speaker 6>this happened. I'm sorry. Monday afternoon was when this happened,

749
00:46:20.159 --> 00:46:24.000
<v Speaker 6>and they went up there and nobody came to the door,

750
00:46:24.159 --> 00:46:26.599
<v Speaker 6>and so they let themselves in because they wanted to

751
00:46:26.599 --> 00:46:29.159
<v Speaker 6>try to get the rest of their stuff, and they

752
00:46:28.840 --> 00:46:31.000
<v Speaker 6>if she wasn't there, it would be easier for them

753
00:46:31.039 --> 00:46:34.079
<v Speaker 6>to get it. And what they were met with was

754
00:46:34.559 --> 00:46:41.320
<v Speaker 6>a mess from Gaye, sister's labradoodle puppy, who had basically,

755
00:46:41.440 --> 00:46:43.280
<v Speaker 6>you know, peted all over the place and made a

756
00:46:43.320 --> 00:46:46.159
<v Speaker 6>mess everywhere and torn food down to eat, and he

757
00:46:46.239 --> 00:46:48.599
<v Speaker 6>didn't have hardly any water. And so they were both

758
00:46:49.000 --> 00:46:52.119
<v Speaker 6>upset over that and couldn't understand why sister, who really

759
00:46:52.159 --> 00:46:55.159
<v Speaker 6>really loved this dog, would not have taken better care

760
00:46:55.239 --> 00:46:58.760
<v Speaker 6>of him. And so they were immediately wondering, you know,

761
00:46:58.880 --> 00:47:00.960
<v Speaker 6>what had she done? Why why was she not taking

762
00:47:01.000 --> 00:47:02.639
<v Speaker 6>care of the dog? Where was she? Had she run

763
00:47:02.679 --> 00:47:06.519
<v Speaker 6>off with a guy she you know, gone somewhere and

764
00:47:06.599 --> 00:47:09.119
<v Speaker 6>forgotten to tell somebody? They just didn't know.

765
00:47:10.559 --> 00:47:14.119
<v Speaker 7>With that as well, they saw that they thought it

766
00:47:14.159 --> 00:47:17.320
<v Speaker 7>was unusual. But at the same time, you write in

767
00:47:17.360 --> 00:47:22.400
<v Speaker 7>the book that part of Nancy's behavior was this sort

768
00:47:22.440 --> 00:47:26.239
<v Speaker 7>of irresponsibility. So did they reconcile both of those things

769
00:47:26.280 --> 00:47:29.320
<v Speaker 7>with a little bit of the information, despite the unusual

770
00:47:29.840 --> 00:47:33.559
<v Speaker 7>nature of just leaving this dog to its own devices.

771
00:47:33.840 --> 00:47:37.159
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, they did, actually, and I'm sure it was easy

772
00:47:37.280 --> 00:47:41.400
<v Speaker 6>to tell themselves, well, she's done this before. She had

773
00:47:41.440 --> 00:47:43.880
<v Speaker 6>actually done it with her daughter when her daughter was little.

774
00:47:43.960 --> 00:47:47.079
<v Speaker 6>That was something that was the history even wrote about

775
00:47:47.119 --> 00:47:51.800
<v Speaker 6>in a semi autobiographical play. She wrote, but it was

776
00:47:51.840 --> 00:47:54.599
<v Speaker 6>common knowledge that she had done that with her and daughter,

777
00:47:54.639 --> 00:47:56.800
<v Speaker 6>and that she would, you know, go away, you know,

778
00:47:56.880 --> 00:47:59.159
<v Speaker 6>now and then, and just no one would know where

779
00:47:59.159 --> 00:47:59.480
<v Speaker 6>she was.

780
00:47:59.519 --> 00:47:59.960
<v Speaker 8>So they did.

781
00:48:00.239 --> 00:48:03.559
<v Speaker 6>They did say, well, that's probably what's happened. But at

782
00:48:03.559 --> 00:48:07.320
<v Speaker 6>the same time, the dog not being cared for was

783
00:48:07.360 --> 00:48:10.480
<v Speaker 6>what made them worry. But there was something wrong, and

784
00:48:10.559 --> 00:48:13.280
<v Speaker 6>also there was a smell, and Nancy chopped it up

785
00:48:13.280 --> 00:48:17.719
<v Speaker 6>to Gabe having gone to the bathroom in the house.

786
00:48:18.079 --> 00:48:20.920
<v Speaker 6>Trey didn't have any sense of smell, so he couldn't

787
00:48:20.920 --> 00:48:23.719
<v Speaker 6>smell it, but Nancy did, and she thought it was,

788
00:48:24.800 --> 00:48:27.199
<v Speaker 6>you know, nothing major, but but you know, just a

789
00:48:27.280 --> 00:48:30.440
<v Speaker 6>nasty smell. She cleaned everything up and took care of

790
00:48:30.480 --> 00:48:32.000
<v Speaker 6>it so that it would be in good shape. But

791
00:48:32.079 --> 00:48:33.960
<v Speaker 6>she also called Carpenter and said, you know, I don't

792
00:48:33.960 --> 00:48:37.960
<v Speaker 6>know what happened to Nancy, and we need to find out,

793
00:48:38.000 --> 00:48:40.119
<v Speaker 6>you know, what to do about Gabe. And so they

794
00:48:40.159 --> 00:48:43.000
<v Speaker 6>began trying to track her down through phone calls to people.

795
00:48:45.679 --> 00:48:50.760
<v Speaker 7>Now, Nancy Fister has a daughter named Julianna. So tell

796
00:48:50.840 --> 00:48:54.440
<v Speaker 7>us who looks for Nancy first? And what do they

797
00:48:54.480 --> 00:48:57.800
<v Speaker 7>do in that in that investigation to find out where

798
00:48:57.800 --> 00:49:00.559
<v Speaker 7>she is first?

799
00:49:01.119 --> 00:49:08.599
<v Speaker 6>Well, on on Tuesday, Kathy Carpenter and Nancy talk repeatedly

800
00:49:09.360 --> 00:49:13.679
<v Speaker 6>and they decide that if they can't find Kathy or

801
00:49:13.840 --> 00:49:18.519
<v Speaker 6>Nancy by that evening, that Kathy will come home. Before

802
00:49:18.559 --> 00:49:21.440
<v Speaker 6>she goes home, get the dog Gabe and takes him

803
00:49:21.480 --> 00:49:24.760
<v Speaker 6>to her house. But what she does in the meantime

804
00:49:24.880 --> 00:49:30.000
<v Speaker 6>is she talks to Patricia Stranahan. And Patricia Stranahan and

805
00:49:30.039 --> 00:49:34.880
<v Speaker 6>her husband George raised Juliana. They were kind of like

806
00:49:34.960 --> 00:49:39.679
<v Speaker 6>her her godparents. And she just happens to come into

807
00:49:39.719 --> 00:49:41.880
<v Speaker 6>the bank to make a deposit, and Kathy flaps her

808
00:49:41.960 --> 00:49:46.199
<v Speaker 6>down and starts telling her that she can't find Nancy.

809
00:49:46.280 --> 00:49:49.400
<v Speaker 6>And even you know, even Patty Stranahan doesn't worried because

810
00:49:49.400 --> 00:49:53.599
<v Speaker 6>she knows Nancy's like that kind of flighty. And so

811
00:49:54.360 --> 00:49:56.920
<v Speaker 6>Kathy says to her, would you please call and see

812
00:49:56.960 --> 00:49:59.239
<v Speaker 6>if you can find out where she might be. And

813
00:49:59.320 --> 00:50:03.760
<v Speaker 6>so that's the first thing that she does, and of course,

814
00:50:04.159 --> 00:50:06.639
<v Speaker 6>later you know, that day and the next aid no

815
00:50:06.679 --> 00:50:09.639
<v Speaker 6>one has found her.

816
00:50:10.199 --> 00:50:14.239
<v Speaker 7>So tell us about how everything proceeds in terms of

817
00:50:14.239 --> 00:50:19.039
<v Speaker 7>that search and who actually makes this grim discovery.

818
00:50:22.119 --> 00:50:30.840
<v Speaker 6>Well, while Kathy's talking to Patty Stranahan, Nancy is talking

819
00:50:30.920 --> 00:50:36.360
<v Speaker 6>to Susan Lascow and a couple of other people and says,

820
00:50:36.400 --> 00:50:38.840
<v Speaker 6>you know, we don't know where where Nancy's at. We're

821
00:50:38.920 --> 00:50:41.559
<v Speaker 6>surprised that she left Dave. It's just not like her.

822
00:50:42.920 --> 00:50:46.480
<v Speaker 6>And you know, they went from Monday afternoon to Tuesday afternoon,

823
00:50:46.559 --> 00:50:52.079
<v Speaker 6>to Tuesday evening to Wednesday morning, and then you know,

824
00:50:52.159 --> 00:50:54.960
<v Speaker 6>it's it's kind of become apparent that something has happened

825
00:50:54.960 --> 00:50:58.000
<v Speaker 6>to her because it's just not like no one to

826
00:50:58.079 --> 00:51:02.400
<v Speaker 6>hear from her. And so at that point on Wednesday afternoon,

827
00:51:02.440 --> 00:51:05.800
<v Speaker 6>that was the day that Nancy and Kathy had decided

828
00:51:05.840 --> 00:51:08.960
<v Speaker 6>that if no one had heard from sister they couldn't

829
00:51:09.000 --> 00:51:12.960
<v Speaker 6>find her, that Kathy would get Gabe. So she actually

830
00:51:14.239 --> 00:51:18.800
<v Speaker 6>does go to Nancy's Buttermilk homeb to get Gabe, and

831
00:51:18.840 --> 00:51:21.079
<v Speaker 6>when she walks in, the smell just hits her in

832
00:51:21.119 --> 00:51:25.320
<v Speaker 6>the face, and she realizes coming from the bedroom, and

833
00:51:25.400 --> 00:51:28.639
<v Speaker 6>when she gets to the bedroom, she realizes that something's wrong.

834
00:51:29.920 --> 00:51:31.679
<v Speaker 6>She doesn't have the key to the closet, but that

835
00:51:31.760 --> 00:51:33.760
<v Speaker 6>seems to be where the smell's coming from, so she

836
00:51:33.760 --> 00:51:36.880
<v Speaker 6>went someone gets she. She's on the phone to her mom,

837
00:51:37.000 --> 00:51:39.800
<v Speaker 6>to Patty Stranahan, to a couple of different people while

838
00:51:39.800 --> 00:51:43.760
<v Speaker 6>she's doing this, and she's clearly already very worried, scared.

839
00:51:43.840 --> 00:51:46.559
<v Speaker 6>She doesn't know what's going on. They're trying to tell her, Look,

840
00:51:46.559 --> 00:51:48.760
<v Speaker 6>it's all right, you're just your imagining. She's getting the

841
00:51:48.800 --> 00:51:51.360
<v Speaker 6>best of you. She's starting to have a panic attack

842
00:51:51.440 --> 00:51:54.800
<v Speaker 6>because she'd had breathing problems and actually had almost died

843
00:51:54.880 --> 00:51:57.760
<v Speaker 6>while sister was in Australia and Trey had saved her

844
00:51:57.760 --> 00:52:00.519
<v Speaker 6>life and gotten her medical care into the hospital. But

845
00:52:00.639 --> 00:52:04.079
<v Speaker 6>she's having this breathing panic attack where she can't breathe,

846
00:52:04.880 --> 00:52:06.880
<v Speaker 6>and then she goes and gets the key and comes

847
00:52:06.920 --> 00:52:08.840
<v Speaker 6>back and finds sister's body in the closet.

848
00:52:11.960 --> 00:52:16.199
<v Speaker 7>Now, right away, the police are called and this main character,

849
00:52:16.519 --> 00:52:19.679
<v Speaker 7>Joe Da Silva, and you mentioned a deputy's name as well,

850
00:52:19.760 --> 00:52:24.639
<v Speaker 7>so they are familiar with Fister and so what is

851
00:52:24.719 --> 00:52:26.159
<v Speaker 7>their reaction.

852
00:52:28.000 --> 00:52:32.280
<v Speaker 6>Well, the Salado and Brad Gibson. Brad Gibson's like the

853
00:52:32.360 --> 00:52:35.480
<v Speaker 6>chief deputy or he's a detective. He's not the chief deputy,

854
00:52:35.480 --> 00:52:36.320
<v Speaker 6>but he's a detective.

855
00:52:36.360 --> 00:52:36.679
<v Speaker 3>Then he.

856
00:52:38.119 --> 00:52:42.480
<v Speaker 6>They think that almost within I'd say within about two hours,

857
00:52:42.480 --> 00:52:44.519
<v Speaker 6>they think that the Silar's had something to do with it.

858
00:52:45.239 --> 00:52:50.360
<v Speaker 6>And that is in large part because when Kathy Carpenter

859
00:52:50.480 --> 00:52:57.199
<v Speaker 6>finds sister's body in the closet, she loses it. She

860
00:52:57.480 --> 00:53:01.360
<v Speaker 6>just has a nervous breakdown, almost on the spot. You

861
00:53:01.360 --> 00:53:03.159
<v Speaker 6>can hear it in her voice on the nine one

862
00:53:03.199 --> 00:53:06.760
<v Speaker 6>one call as she's driving away, fleeing for her own life,

863
00:53:07.000 --> 00:53:10.880
<v Speaker 6>thinking that someone, the killer is probably after her and

864
00:53:10.960 --> 00:53:13.760
<v Speaker 6>she needs to get to safety. You can hear all

865
00:53:13.840 --> 00:53:15.760
<v Speaker 6>that in her voice on the nine one call.

866
00:53:16.239 --> 00:53:17.559
<v Speaker 8>And she is.

867
00:53:19.320 --> 00:53:23.119
<v Speaker 6>When the police, when the police take her to the hospital.

868
00:53:23.239 --> 00:53:25.199
<v Speaker 6>She's taken to the hospital and they kind of man

869
00:53:25.239 --> 00:53:28.880
<v Speaker 6>guard there and try to get her to talk. You know,

870
00:53:28.920 --> 00:53:32.159
<v Speaker 6>she's under she's heavily medicated, she's tranquilized. But what she

871
00:53:32.280 --> 00:53:36.480
<v Speaker 6>says during that time while she's tranquilized is that they

872
00:53:36.519 --> 00:53:38.559
<v Speaker 6>they said they were going to kill her, they hated her,

873
00:53:39.039 --> 00:53:40.880
<v Speaker 6>you know what if they did something to her. Now

874
00:53:40.880 --> 00:53:43.960
<v Speaker 6>she's talking of her head, but the police immediately took

875
00:53:44.000 --> 00:53:50.000
<v Speaker 6>it seriously and by the next morning having basically arrested

876
00:53:50.000 --> 00:53:51.079
<v Speaker 6>the stylos.

877
00:53:53.079 --> 00:53:55.679
<v Speaker 7>Before we get to that, there's and again you we

878
00:53:55.760 --> 00:53:57.440
<v Speaker 7>talk about you talk about it a little bit later,

879
00:53:57.519 --> 00:54:00.920
<v Speaker 7>but there is a conversation, So Mayby could set me

880
00:54:00.920 --> 00:54:05.480
<v Speaker 7>straight on this. There's a conversation with Patrick Karney. So

881
00:54:05.519 --> 00:54:08.559
<v Speaker 7>who does does Nancy talk with Patrick Karney? Because this

882
00:54:08.679 --> 00:54:14.599
<v Speaker 7>becomes very incredibly important. So when does this phone call happen?

883
00:54:14.679 --> 00:54:17.599
<v Speaker 7>Before we talk about the contents of that, but when

884
00:54:17.639 --> 00:54:20.159
<v Speaker 7>does that phone call? When was that phone call made?

885
00:54:20.239 --> 00:54:23.840
<v Speaker 6>Well, Patrick told police that sister left him a message

886
00:54:23.840 --> 00:54:27.800
<v Speaker 6>at two thirty in the morning on Monday, February.

887
00:54:27.360 --> 00:54:28.840
<v Speaker 8>Twenty fourth, asking for a ride.

888
00:54:28.920 --> 00:54:34.159
<v Speaker 6>Later that day, he was in the hospital. He had

889
00:54:34.159 --> 00:54:39.599
<v Speaker 6>shattered his collar bone and he tried to call her

890
00:54:39.639 --> 00:54:42.400
<v Speaker 6>back on Monday night. Center text message didn't get her.

891
00:54:45.559 --> 00:54:48.800
<v Speaker 7>So when does he get to when does he actually

892
00:54:48.840 --> 00:54:52.320
<v Speaker 7>have a conversation with Nancy Styler though about this or

893
00:54:52.360 --> 00:54:53.840
<v Speaker 7>who does he have a conversation with?

894
00:54:54.119 --> 00:54:57.079
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, he did have a conversation with Nancy Styler, and

895
00:54:57.079 --> 00:55:01.639
<v Speaker 6>that would have been let's see here. I believe that

896
00:55:01.719 --> 00:55:04.559
<v Speaker 6>that was Tuesday, Yes, yeah, because he was in the

897
00:55:04.559 --> 00:55:08.840
<v Speaker 6>hospital on Monday, and after they discharged him, he went

898
00:55:08.920 --> 00:55:11.320
<v Speaker 6>to get his car and then he drove up to

899
00:55:11.480 --> 00:55:13.880
<v Speaker 6>check on Fister because he thought that she needed a

900
00:55:13.960 --> 00:55:17.119
<v Speaker 6>ride to town. That's what she'd said in her message

901
00:55:17.119 --> 00:55:20.079
<v Speaker 6>to him, because her car was snowed in. And so

902
00:55:20.280 --> 00:55:24.239
<v Speaker 6>when he gets there, he sees that they're moving, and

903
00:55:24.800 --> 00:55:30.079
<v Speaker 6>what he says to police at least is that it's

904
00:55:30.400 --> 00:55:33.519
<v Speaker 6>interesting because what Patrick says in his interview with police

905
00:55:34.400 --> 00:55:37.199
<v Speaker 6>is it's kind of it's not what they say back

906
00:55:37.239 --> 00:55:38.800
<v Speaker 6>to him and said before you know it. The whole

907
00:55:38.840 --> 00:55:44.000
<v Speaker 6>interview has the police basically leading him to say, well, yeah,

908
00:55:44.039 --> 00:55:47.480
<v Speaker 6>they did say that she was there in the upstairs

909
00:55:47.480 --> 00:55:49.079
<v Speaker 6>and for me not to go up there and check

910
00:55:49.119 --> 00:55:52.760
<v Speaker 6>on her. But that's not what Patrick told police. He

911
00:55:52.840 --> 00:55:55.840
<v Speaker 6>basically told police, no, we didn't. They said that we

912
00:55:55.880 --> 00:55:56.440
<v Speaker 6>didn't see her.

913
00:55:59.400 --> 00:56:01.599
<v Speaker 7>Yes, very interesting. What you have in the book is

914
00:56:01.599 --> 00:56:04.760
<v Speaker 7>you talk about the specifics of how they did this

915
00:56:04.880 --> 00:56:08.800
<v Speaker 7>in terms of they already assume that they have their suspect. Yeah,

916
00:56:08.840 --> 00:56:11.760
<v Speaker 7>so then they ask leading questions and when he is

917
00:56:11.880 --> 00:56:17.360
<v Speaker 7>unsure of certain things, they they disregard the inconsistencies, which

918
00:56:17.599 --> 00:56:20.800
<v Speaker 7>again is not great police work at all, and then

919
00:56:21.039 --> 00:56:24.119
<v Speaker 7>again which is not good police work, leading questions and

920
00:56:24.199 --> 00:56:27.519
<v Speaker 7>never ask him for a polygraph, so never ever clarify

921
00:56:27.639 --> 00:56:32.599
<v Speaker 7>exactly what specifically he did say. And it's important because

922
00:56:33.000 --> 00:56:39.199
<v Speaker 7>he is speaking about statements regarding Nancy and her whether

923
00:56:39.320 --> 00:56:43.199
<v Speaker 7>Nancy Styler and Trey Styler even saw Nancy Fister. So

924
00:56:43.280 --> 00:56:46.280
<v Speaker 7>it's very very important what he does say and what

925
00:56:46.360 --> 00:56:48.800
<v Speaker 7>he doesn't say. And it's very interesting how you show

926
00:56:49.239 --> 00:56:52.239
<v Speaker 7>how they can come to this kind of conclusion. So

927
00:56:52.280 --> 00:56:56.760
<v Speaker 7>tell us about Joe de Silva, and you talk about

928
00:56:58.039 --> 00:57:03.039
<v Speaker 7>the quest to have these people arrested sooner than they

929
00:57:03.079 --> 00:57:06.199
<v Speaker 7>actually were, but there was something holding them back. So

930
00:57:06.280 --> 00:57:11.599
<v Speaker 7>tell us a little. It's very fascinating about this adamant

931
00:57:12.079 --> 00:57:15.719
<v Speaker 7>Joe Deslva and his quest to have these people arrested

932
00:57:16.320 --> 00:57:18.679
<v Speaker 7>very very quickly and have this case solved.

933
00:57:19.000 --> 00:57:22.519
<v Speaker 6>Well, they found her body around I'm going to say

934
00:57:22.519 --> 00:57:25.320
<v Speaker 6>six o'clock on that Wednesday night, and by five point

935
00:57:25.320 --> 00:57:29.400
<v Speaker 6>thirty am the next morning on Thursday, they were busting

936
00:57:29.440 --> 00:57:32.679
<v Speaker 6>into the hotel room where the stylers were and they

937
00:57:32.760 --> 00:57:36.480
<v Speaker 6>immediately you have them both get naked, take pictures of them,

938
00:57:36.599 --> 00:57:42.800
<v Speaker 6>which was just completely beyond police protocol for male officers

939
00:57:42.840 --> 00:57:44.719
<v Speaker 6>to be even in the room when that happens to

940
00:57:44.840 --> 00:57:48.360
<v Speaker 6>a female suspect. And then they take them, separate them,

941
00:57:48.440 --> 00:57:52.559
<v Speaker 6>question them, and DiSalvo is involved in the questioning of Trey,

942
00:57:55.039 --> 00:57:59.519
<v Speaker 6>and interestingly Nancy doesn't give the same kind of treatment

943
00:57:59.599 --> 00:58:04.320
<v Speaker 6>trade but DiSalvo it's basically in Trey's fay saying we

944
00:58:04.400 --> 00:58:07.000
<v Speaker 6>know you did this, we know your life helped, we

945
00:58:07.079 --> 00:58:10.159
<v Speaker 6>know you're responsible. Tell us why you did it, tell

946
00:58:10.239 --> 00:58:14.760
<v Speaker 6>us what happened. He takes more of an active role

947
00:58:14.800 --> 00:58:18.400
<v Speaker 6>in the investigation that most sheriffs do that I've been

948
00:58:18.440 --> 00:58:20.119
<v Speaker 6>familiar with in my in my work.

949
00:58:21.760 --> 00:58:23.840
<v Speaker 7>You also talk about the things that he does say

950
00:58:24.159 --> 00:58:26.639
<v Speaker 7>when he's yelling in his face, is that we have

951
00:58:26.719 --> 00:58:27.760
<v Speaker 7>the DNA on you.

952
00:58:28.880 --> 00:58:28.960
<v Speaker 3>And.

953
00:58:30.760 --> 00:58:34.559
<v Speaker 7>Also that you failed the polygraph. You don't talk about

954
00:58:34.599 --> 00:58:36.440
<v Speaker 7>that time of whether that's true or not, but it

955
00:58:36.480 --> 00:58:39.320
<v Speaker 7>seems like that's not true at that point, is it.

956
00:58:40.800 --> 00:58:44.719
<v Speaker 6>No no DNA at that point the DNA takes longer

957
00:58:44.719 --> 00:58:48.199
<v Speaker 6>than they had time to get DNA.

958
00:58:48.599 --> 00:58:51.679
<v Speaker 7>See that was failed the polygraph at that sorry, did

959
00:58:51.719 --> 00:58:54.039
<v Speaker 7>he fail the polygraph at that time as well?

960
00:58:54.320 --> 00:58:57.920
<v Speaker 6>We don't know because the defense team was never provided

961
00:58:57.960 --> 00:59:00.840
<v Speaker 6>with the results of the polygraph.

962
00:59:01.840 --> 00:59:04.199
<v Speaker 7>Now you talk about the ordeal, and you describe in

963
00:59:04.320 --> 00:59:10.760
<v Speaker 7>great detail this ordeal at the motel with Trey and Nancy.

964
00:59:10.880 --> 00:59:15.920
<v Speaker 7>So you also talk about again their naivity before they

965
00:59:16.039 --> 00:59:19.480
<v Speaker 7>contact their son Daniel, or Nancy talks to her son

966
00:59:19.559 --> 00:59:24.159
<v Speaker 7>Daniel about they just being cooperative. Again, many people are

967
00:59:24.159 --> 00:59:27.440
<v Speaker 7>familiar with this sort of thing where people think they're innocent. Well, jeez,

968
00:59:27.480 --> 00:59:31.719
<v Speaker 7>I'm going to be exonerated very quickly. So tell us

969
00:59:31.760 --> 00:59:34.719
<v Speaker 7>a little bit about this naivity and their approach in

970
00:59:34.840 --> 00:59:37.119
<v Speaker 7>terms of not calling a lawyer right away.

971
00:59:38.239 --> 00:59:40.719
<v Speaker 6>Well, it was the same thing with Kathy Carpenter. But

972
00:59:40.760 --> 00:59:42.920
<v Speaker 6>they felt like they were innocent. They didn't have anything

973
00:59:42.960 --> 00:59:45.639
<v Speaker 6>to hide, they were telling the truth. And so why

974
00:59:45.639 --> 00:59:48.480
<v Speaker 6>did they even meet an attorney, Because innocent people don't

975
00:59:48.519 --> 00:59:53.079
<v Speaker 6>go to jail. And so even though I believe Nancy

976
00:59:53.199 --> 00:59:56.000
<v Speaker 6>especially was in a state of shell shock from what

977
00:59:56.079 --> 00:59:59.800
<v Speaker 6>happened that morning, being forced to stand naked in front

978
00:59:59.840 --> 01:00:01.639
<v Speaker 6>of a room full of mail officers and have her

979
01:00:01.679 --> 01:00:05.800
<v Speaker 6>pictures taken, I believe that her tone of voice and

980
01:00:06.199 --> 01:00:08.719
<v Speaker 6>some of this came from the investigator that worked for

981
01:00:08.800 --> 01:00:12.360
<v Speaker 6>the defense, David Olmstead. You know, it was just they

982
01:00:12.360 --> 01:00:16.000
<v Speaker 6>were so respectful and they were appalled. They couldn't understand

983
01:00:16.039 --> 01:00:18.159
<v Speaker 6>why they were being treated that way, but they were

984
01:00:18.199 --> 01:00:20.119
<v Speaker 6>so respectful and they wanted to help, you know, they

985
01:00:20.119 --> 01:00:22.280
<v Speaker 6>were willing to do whatever they could to help. Nancy

986
01:00:22.920 --> 01:00:24.960
<v Speaker 6>was like, you know, I'll tell you anything you need.

987
01:00:25.159 --> 01:00:27.480
<v Speaker 6>I want to help find her. We've been worried about

988
01:00:27.480 --> 01:00:30.280
<v Speaker 6>her for the last three days.

989
01:00:31.719 --> 01:00:36.360
<v Speaker 7>In this investigation too, police do find many many people

990
01:00:36.440 --> 01:00:40.400
<v Speaker 7>that had the same kind of again sentiment that they

991
01:00:40.400 --> 01:00:42.800
<v Speaker 7>would like to kill these people or wring their neck.

992
01:00:43.440 --> 01:00:47.000
<v Speaker 7>But with that information, the police did not look at

993
01:00:47.039 --> 01:00:50.800
<v Speaker 7>anyone else as a possibility and in fact tell us

994
01:00:50.800 --> 01:00:55.239
<v Speaker 7>about the theory that they have in regards to who murdered.

995
01:00:55.679 --> 01:00:58.880
<v Speaker 7>In total, who murdered Nancy Fister and why.

996
01:01:00.119 --> 01:01:02.840
<v Speaker 6>He is just really bizarre. It goes beyond any police

997
01:01:02.840 --> 01:01:06.039
<v Speaker 6>work I've ever seen before. But there were several people

998
01:01:06.280 --> 01:01:12.360
<v Speaker 6>who said that they harbored ill will towards Fister. They

999
01:01:12.440 --> 01:01:15.400
<v Speaker 6>even said the same thing that Nancy Styler did, I'd

1000
01:01:15.480 --> 01:01:18.159
<v Speaker 6>like to kill her. There were many strange men that

1001
01:01:18.239 --> 01:01:21.039
<v Speaker 6>she had slept with over the years, and all of

1002
01:01:21.079 --> 01:01:23.840
<v Speaker 6>them there was even a serial killer, one woman called

1003
01:01:23.880 --> 01:01:25.920
<v Speaker 6>and gave them a tip that there was a serial

1004
01:01:26.039 --> 01:01:30.480
<v Speaker 6>killer who had attacked women that looked and were about

1005
01:01:30.519 --> 01:01:33.719
<v Speaker 6>the same age as Fister, and the police followed up

1006
01:01:33.760 --> 01:01:36.639
<v Speaker 6>on those leads tap heartedly, but they never ever questioned

1007
01:01:36.719 --> 01:01:40.639
<v Speaker 6>or gave telegraphs to any of the people, including Patrick Carney,

1008
01:01:40.679 --> 01:01:43.639
<v Speaker 6>who admitted that, you know, he took this draft to

1009
01:01:43.679 --> 01:01:47.480
<v Speaker 6>dinner every Thursday night and that now she would never

1010
01:01:47.519 --> 01:01:49.559
<v Speaker 6>stick her hand out to pay, that he always was

1011
01:01:49.599 --> 01:01:53.719
<v Speaker 6>expected to pay the bill. Or another friend, a male friend,

1012
01:01:53.760 --> 01:01:56.400
<v Speaker 6>that would you know, take her home and make sure

1013
01:01:56.480 --> 01:01:58.480
<v Speaker 6>she got to bed safe after she was on a bender.

1014
01:01:59.559 --> 01:02:03.000
<v Speaker 6>The police never ever looked at those people seriously, even

1015
01:02:03.039 --> 01:02:06.119
<v Speaker 6>though you know, to my way of thinking as an

1016
01:02:06.119 --> 01:02:11.519
<v Speaker 6>investigative reporter, it seems like they were equally they were

1017
01:02:11.559 --> 01:02:16.079
<v Speaker 6>they were equally possible suspects to the Stilers. So what

1018
01:02:16.119 --> 01:02:18.719
<v Speaker 6>the police did instead was just bizarre. They looked at

1019
01:02:18.760 --> 01:02:22.119
<v Speaker 6>the fact that the Stilers and Carpenter had traded cars.

1020
01:02:22.719 --> 01:02:25.639
<v Speaker 6>They looked at the fact that when Nancy went into

1021
01:02:25.639 --> 01:02:28.400
<v Speaker 6>the motel to get the motel room, she wrote down

1022
01:02:28.519 --> 01:02:32.159
<v Speaker 6>on her the intake sheet that they were driving at

1023
01:02:32.199 --> 01:02:36.400
<v Speaker 6>Subaru because they were they were driving Carpenter's Subaru. They

1024
01:02:36.440 --> 01:02:39.639
<v Speaker 6>looked at the fact that Nancy and Kathy had exchanged

1025
01:02:39.679 --> 01:02:42.519
<v Speaker 6>a lot of text messages about how Nancy had been

1026
01:02:42.559 --> 01:02:47.119
<v Speaker 6>sixteen Kathy's care and makeup, and Kathy was really appreciative

1027
01:02:47.159 --> 01:02:50.440
<v Speaker 6>of that, and everybody was telling her how great she looked.

1028
01:02:50.480 --> 01:02:54.360
<v Speaker 6>They looked at all those things which were in and

1029
01:02:54.400 --> 01:02:57.559
<v Speaker 6>of themselves nothing that would have anything to do with

1030
01:02:57.599 --> 01:03:00.599
<v Speaker 6>sister's murder at all. They looked at the as a

1031
01:03:00.639 --> 01:03:02.199
<v Speaker 6>conspiracy to kill the woman.

1032
01:03:04.760 --> 01:03:09.119
<v Speaker 7>As a result, there are arrests made, and as such,

1033
01:03:09.159 --> 01:03:11.559
<v Speaker 7>tell us about that, but also tell us about the

1034
01:03:11.599 --> 01:03:17.639
<v Speaker 7>hammer that's found on February twenty eighth.

1035
01:03:15.599 --> 01:03:19.039
<v Speaker 6>Well Nancy and Trey, even though it was not officially

1036
01:03:19.119 --> 01:03:21.639
<v Speaker 6>labeled on arrest on that Thursday morning, when the police

1037
01:03:21.639 --> 01:03:25.280
<v Speaker 6>came into their motel room, it wasn't arrest because they

1038
01:03:25.280 --> 01:03:27.800
<v Speaker 6>were detained and they couldn't leave. But then the police

1039
01:03:27.880 --> 01:03:29.960
<v Speaker 6>let them go because they really had no evidence that night,

1040
01:03:30.000 --> 01:03:33.239
<v Speaker 6>and then they arrested them again the following Monday. By then,

1041
01:03:33.320 --> 01:03:38.480
<v Speaker 6>there had been DNA found both sisters and Trays in

1042
01:03:38.519 --> 01:03:43.280
<v Speaker 6>a garbage bag where some of sisters and Styler's belongings

1043
01:03:43.320 --> 01:03:46.920
<v Speaker 6>had been tossed. The defense team thought that the stylers

1044
01:03:46.920 --> 01:03:48.840
<v Speaker 6>at that point were being set up when they came

1045
01:03:48.880 --> 01:03:52.320
<v Speaker 6>into the case because there was nothing of Carpenter's found,

1046
01:03:52.719 --> 01:03:57.119
<v Speaker 6>and they thought perhaps Carpenter was setting them up. But

1047
01:03:57.199 --> 01:04:00.360
<v Speaker 6>she was arrested eleven days later, as you know, part

1048
01:04:00.360 --> 01:04:03.079
<v Speaker 6>of the conspiracy that the three of them had supposedly

1049
01:04:03.159 --> 01:04:04.079
<v Speaker 6>had to kill sister.

1050
01:04:04.440 --> 01:04:05.599
<v Speaker 8>But this hammer that was.

1051
01:04:05.559 --> 01:04:08.119
<v Speaker 6>Found in this trash bag that was dumped in a

1052
01:04:08.280 --> 01:04:12.000
<v Speaker 6>Carbondale garbage can, and Carbondale is the little town that

1053
01:04:12.199 --> 01:04:17.719
<v Speaker 6>is outside of Aspen, and it's it's it's actually just

1054
01:04:17.960 --> 01:04:21.760
<v Speaker 6>the little town where the astronaut lodges the stylers were

1055
01:04:21.800 --> 01:04:24.239
<v Speaker 6>staying in and the trash can wasn't too far from

1056
01:04:24.280 --> 01:04:27.559
<v Speaker 6>their motel, so that looked really suspicious. But the hammer

1057
01:04:27.639 --> 01:04:32.599
<v Speaker 6>had been used by Trey both when sister left and

1058
01:04:33.039 --> 01:04:35.920
<v Speaker 6>he was doing different things to the house to take

1059
01:04:35.920 --> 01:04:38.119
<v Speaker 6>the pictures down off the wall, but it was definitely

1060
01:04:38.199 --> 01:04:40.519
<v Speaker 6>used right before she came back. Of course, they had

1061
01:04:40.559 --> 01:04:42.880
<v Speaker 6>to take all those pictures out of storage and hang

1062
01:04:42.920 --> 01:04:43.920
<v Speaker 6>them back up on the walls.

1063
01:04:43.960 --> 01:04:50.840
<v Speaker 7>Again, Why was that hammer so important in terms of

1064
01:04:50.880 --> 01:04:53.719
<v Speaker 7>evidence or did they feel.

1065
01:04:54.239 --> 01:04:58.880
<v Speaker 6>Because it was it was the murder weapon, it was

1066
01:04:58.920 --> 01:05:03.840
<v Speaker 6>what had they found some of Hister's DNA on it,

1067
01:05:03.880 --> 01:05:06.880
<v Speaker 6>and it was the murder weapon. That's what they That's

1068
01:05:06.920 --> 01:05:07.920
<v Speaker 6>a conclusion they came to.

1069
01:05:09.320 --> 01:05:12.679
<v Speaker 7>Now you have a very profound this is a very

1070
01:05:12.679 --> 01:05:15.320
<v Speaker 7>profound book, but very profound moment in the book where

1071
01:05:16.760 --> 01:05:21.480
<v Speaker 7>the detectives the police are looking at Nancy as this accomplice.

1072
01:05:21.599 --> 01:05:25.840
<v Speaker 7>They have, like you say, evidence that links trade. They believe,

1073
01:05:25.920 --> 01:05:30.639
<v Speaker 7>and they believe that based on witnesses, that he has

1074
01:05:30.679 --> 01:05:34.480
<v Speaker 7>the ability, despite talking about a disability, that to be

1075
01:05:34.519 --> 01:05:37.679
<v Speaker 7>able to do this. So they have a meeting with

1076
01:05:37.920 --> 01:05:40.639
<v Speaker 7>Nancy and they show her the crime scene photos and

1077
01:05:40.679 --> 01:05:43.079
<v Speaker 7>they're gauging her reaction. Tell us about that.

1078
01:05:45.400 --> 01:05:53.320
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, Garth McCarty wanted her to defense attorneys. He and

1079
01:05:54.719 --> 01:05:58.480
<v Speaker 6>he actually said he could not get out of his

1080
01:05:58.599 --> 01:06:01.559
<v Speaker 6>mind the response that he saw on Nancy's face when

1081
01:06:01.599 --> 01:06:05.039
<v Speaker 6>he brought his iPad with all of photos from the

1082
01:06:05.039 --> 01:06:08.320
<v Speaker 6>crime scene and saw her basically look through them. And

1083
01:06:08.360 --> 01:06:11.039
<v Speaker 6>he said, for probably twenty thirty minutes she was silent.

1084
01:06:11.079 --> 01:06:13.400
<v Speaker 6>And he said, Nancy Styler is just not a woman

1085
01:06:13.440 --> 01:06:16.239
<v Speaker 6>that doesn't speak. She speaks, you know, a lot, She

1086
01:06:16.320 --> 01:06:19.239
<v Speaker 6>talks a lot. She's a very social person herself. But

1087
01:06:19.360 --> 01:06:23.280
<v Speaker 6>he said he could tell by the horror that he

1088
01:06:23.320 --> 01:06:25.719
<v Speaker 6>saw on her face, that there was no way she

1089
01:06:25.840 --> 01:06:28.840
<v Speaker 6>had ever seen that dead woman. So at that point

1090
01:06:29.239 --> 01:06:31.440
<v Speaker 6>he believed conclusively that she was innocent.

1091
01:06:34.760 --> 01:06:39.960
<v Speaker 7>Now with this you talk about the day that she

1092
01:06:40.119 --> 01:06:43.320
<v Speaker 7>gets information. I guess I'm obviously fast forward here. But

1093
01:06:43.719 --> 01:06:46.920
<v Speaker 7>how do they get to the point where Nancy Styler

1094
01:06:47.159 --> 01:06:49.960
<v Speaker 7>is being released? And again another profound part of the

1095
01:06:50.000 --> 01:06:53.960
<v Speaker 7>book where she is told she is being released and

1096
01:06:54.480 --> 01:06:57.800
<v Speaker 7>believes in her mind again naivity, that her and Trey

1097
01:06:57.840 --> 01:07:02.000
<v Speaker 7>are going to finally walk out of this sell this

1098
01:07:02.159 --> 01:07:06.480
<v Speaker 7>jail exonerated. So tell us about what circumstances lead to

1099
01:07:07.119 --> 01:07:10.559
<v Speaker 7>Nancy being released, and tell us about that scene that

1100
01:07:10.599 --> 01:07:11.599
<v Speaker 7>you create in the book.

1101
01:07:13.079 --> 01:07:16.480
<v Speaker 6>Well, all along, Nancy has been saying to anybody that

1102
01:07:16.519 --> 01:07:18.760
<v Speaker 6>would listen, and look, when the police gets the DNA,

1103
01:07:19.079 --> 01:07:22.119
<v Speaker 6>science is going to prove that we didn't do this,

1104
01:07:22.199 --> 01:07:25.800
<v Speaker 6>because there's no way that the DNA will lie at

1105
01:07:25.840 --> 01:07:29.280
<v Speaker 6>the evidence, the medical or not the medical. But the

1106
01:07:29.360 --> 01:07:31.760
<v Speaker 6>science is not going to prove that we did it

1107
01:07:31.800 --> 01:07:34.239
<v Speaker 6>because we didn't. The police will know that, so we'll

1108
01:07:34.239 --> 01:07:37.199
<v Speaker 6>get out. But then they didn't get out until finally

1109
01:07:38.679 --> 01:07:41.400
<v Speaker 6>after a little over one hundred days. That's Kruea, which

1110
01:07:41.679 --> 01:07:45.159
<v Speaker 6>Nancy's other defense attorney, shows up in our cell one

1111
01:07:45.199 --> 01:07:48.519
<v Speaker 6>morning and has a change of clothes that she's gotten

1112
01:07:48.519 --> 01:07:54.000
<v Speaker 6>for at a thrift shop, some flip flops, and a letter,

1113
01:07:54.360 --> 01:07:59.199
<v Speaker 6>and she explains to Nancy. Garth gets it shortly after,

1114
01:07:59.280 --> 01:08:02.400
<v Speaker 6>and by that time, Beth had explained to Nancy that

1115
01:08:03.000 --> 01:08:06.840
<v Speaker 6>she's being released, the chargers will be dropped, and that

1116
01:08:07.079 --> 01:08:11.639
<v Speaker 6>Tray had pled guilty to get her release and to

1117
01:08:12.280 --> 01:08:16.239
<v Speaker 6>have the police exonerate her. And so she reads the letter,

1118
01:08:16.439 --> 01:08:21.279
<v Speaker 6>and the letter sounds like Trey has basically taken the

1119
01:08:21.319 --> 01:08:24.199
<v Speaker 6>fall to get her out of prison or get her

1120
01:08:24.199 --> 01:08:30.600
<v Speaker 6>out of jail. At that time, she is immediately horrified

1121
01:08:30.920 --> 01:08:33.720
<v Speaker 6>and her attorneys by then, the two of them are

1122
01:08:33.720 --> 01:08:38.199
<v Speaker 6>there together, Garth and Beth, and they are terrified by

1123
01:08:38.239 --> 01:08:43.399
<v Speaker 6>her reaction because she's crying. She can't understand, she doesn't

1124
01:08:43.439 --> 01:08:46.960
<v Speaker 6>know what she's really what he's really done. She can't

1125
01:08:47.239 --> 01:08:50.079
<v Speaker 6>understand or make sense of it, and they're afraid that

1126
01:08:50.159 --> 01:08:53.199
<v Speaker 6>she is going to do something to sabotage his confession.

1127
01:08:53.239 --> 01:08:57.199
<v Speaker 6>They don't know what, but you know, they asked that

1128
01:08:57.199 --> 01:08:59.560
<v Speaker 6>the jail officials keep an eye on her until she's

1129
01:08:59.600 --> 01:09:02.039
<v Speaker 6>released that day because They don't want her to do

1130
01:09:02.079 --> 01:09:06.000
<v Speaker 6>anything that would be there would be, you know, out

1131
01:09:06.479 --> 01:09:09.920
<v Speaker 6>of her head, some type of crazy reaction in response

1132
01:09:09.960 --> 01:09:13.359
<v Speaker 6>to what Trey did. But by confessing.

1133
01:09:15.640 --> 01:09:20.199
<v Speaker 7>Now her reaction again the audience might be asking, well,

1134
01:09:20.199 --> 01:09:24.079
<v Speaker 7>what again a confession? But he writes a three page letter,

1135
01:09:24.199 --> 01:09:28.359
<v Speaker 7>and what exactly is in that letter? And again, because

1136
01:09:28.359 --> 01:09:33.119
<v Speaker 7>it will be evident that there's a reason why Nancy

1137
01:09:34.000 --> 01:09:36.279
<v Speaker 7>doesn't either completely believe it or believe it to be

1138
01:09:36.319 --> 01:09:39.159
<v Speaker 7>a confession, or has some idea that maybe Trey is

1139
01:09:39.159 --> 01:09:41.640
<v Speaker 7>falling on his sword, as you mentioned in the book,

1140
01:09:42.000 --> 01:09:43.960
<v Speaker 7>tell us what's written in that letter and why it

1141
01:09:44.000 --> 01:09:48.079
<v Speaker 7>isn't so clear exactly what he is seeing in that letter.

1142
01:09:49.279 --> 01:09:54.520
<v Speaker 6>Because he tells her that I know you're innocent, and

1143
01:09:54.600 --> 01:09:59.800
<v Speaker 6>I know that I'm innocent. You should believe that the

1144
01:10:00.000 --> 01:10:01.680
<v Speaker 6>basically I think that's what you're referring to.

1145
01:10:01.800 --> 01:10:02.319
<v Speaker 8>Is that right?

1146
01:10:03.359 --> 01:10:08.560
<v Speaker 7>Right? So she's still not clear. She's again, to add

1147
01:10:08.560 --> 01:10:11.199
<v Speaker 7>to her horror, is that she's finally being released, but

1148
01:10:11.279 --> 01:10:15.000
<v Speaker 7>her husband, who's disabled, her soulmate, the person that she

1149
01:10:15.119 --> 01:10:17.880
<v Speaker 7>loves and believes is innocent, is still in this jail.

1150
01:10:17.960 --> 01:10:21.359
<v Speaker 7>So she's devastated. Even though she's elated, to finally be

1151
01:10:21.479 --> 01:10:24.399
<v Speaker 7>out and to be treated like a human being again

1152
01:10:24.720 --> 01:10:28.560
<v Speaker 7>and afforded those little comforts like bed sheets and clean

1153
01:10:28.600 --> 01:10:30.399
<v Speaker 7>clothes and pillows.

1154
01:10:31.039 --> 01:10:37.680
<v Speaker 6>Right, it's like simultaneously the best and the worst day

1155
01:10:37.800 --> 01:10:40.039
<v Speaker 6>of her life together wrapped up him on.

1156
01:10:42.680 --> 01:10:46.079
<v Speaker 7>Now she is told that she is to be released,

1157
01:10:46.079 --> 01:10:49.479
<v Speaker 7>and she is released, and that she's also told that

1158
01:10:50.159 --> 01:10:53.560
<v Speaker 7>Trey is going to plead guilty and receive a twenty

1159
01:10:53.640 --> 01:10:57.279
<v Speaker 7>year sentence, and again incredible in the book where the

1160
01:10:57.399 --> 01:11:01.520
<v Speaker 7>lawyer tells Nancy, Jesus is a this is a fantastic

1161
01:11:01.600 --> 01:11:04.319
<v Speaker 7>deal that he's getting. Tell us a little bit about that.

1162
01:11:06.800 --> 01:11:10.000
<v Speaker 6>Well, Beath and Garth don't want her to do anything

1163
01:11:10.119 --> 01:11:14.039
<v Speaker 6>to compromise, to try to like, you know, they thought

1164
01:11:14.319 --> 01:11:16.720
<v Speaker 6>they had this thought. And Garth told me that she

1165
01:11:16.880 --> 01:11:20.560
<v Speaker 6>might suddenly decide to plead guilty to keep Trey from

1166
01:11:20.600 --> 01:11:22.920
<v Speaker 6>having to take the fall for her. She truly thought

1167
01:11:23.359 --> 01:11:26.239
<v Speaker 6>that her husband, this man that she'd only ever been

1168
01:11:26.239 --> 01:11:29.479
<v Speaker 6>with intimately since she married him, and the thing was

1169
01:11:29.520 --> 01:11:31.439
<v Speaker 6>true of him, that he loved her so much that

1170
01:11:31.479 --> 01:11:34.399
<v Speaker 6>he was willing to take the fall so that she

1171
01:11:34.479 --> 01:11:41.920
<v Speaker 6>could be free. And she, you know, couldn't comprehend that

1172
01:11:42.000 --> 01:11:46.279
<v Speaker 6>he would do that she was also terrified because of

1173
01:11:45.760 --> 01:11:50.239
<v Speaker 6>his tendency to have depression. And I'm not sure, am

1174
01:11:50.279 --> 01:11:52.279
<v Speaker 6>I getting it what you're thinking of? Dan?

1175
01:11:52.880 --> 01:11:59.000
<v Speaker 7>Yes? Yes, Now tell us how the whole entire case

1176
01:11:59.119 --> 01:12:05.399
<v Speaker 7>and trial proceeds from this point, with Trey deciding to confess,

1177
01:12:06.079 --> 01:12:11.520
<v Speaker 7>with Nancy distraught with the constant contact with their grown

1178
01:12:11.640 --> 01:12:12.359
<v Speaker 7>son Daniel.

1179
01:12:13.159 --> 01:12:13.239
<v Speaker 8>Uh.

1180
01:12:13.359 --> 01:12:15.279
<v Speaker 7>There you do talk about in the book also that

1181
01:12:15.920 --> 01:12:18.239
<v Speaker 7>again if police didn't look at people that really had

1182
01:12:18.880 --> 01:12:24.720
<v Speaker 7>a hate on for Nancy Fister, including her own sister Suzanne.

1183
01:12:25.239 --> 01:12:30.000
<v Speaker 7>So tell us how what happens next in this case.

1184
01:12:31.840 --> 01:12:35.840
<v Speaker 6>Well, you can imagine that their son Daniel and his

1185
01:12:35.960 --> 01:12:40.960
<v Speaker 6>mom Nancy were just beside themselves. But at the same time,

1186
01:12:42.800 --> 01:12:48.159
<v Speaker 6>Daniel couldn't understand why his dad would pray a letter

1187
01:12:48.279 --> 01:12:51.600
<v Speaker 6>like that if he hadn't actually he thought that there

1188
01:12:51.640 --> 01:12:58.520
<v Speaker 6>was something that wasn't quite right. And so the two

1189
01:12:58.560 --> 01:13:01.520
<v Speaker 6>of them decide that they were going to fight to

1190
01:13:01.600 --> 01:13:04.279
<v Speaker 6>get him free. And this is a family who had

1191
01:13:04.319 --> 01:13:08.000
<v Speaker 6>been involved in the legal system for probably fifteen years

1192
01:13:08.039 --> 01:13:11.359
<v Speaker 6>in terms of fighting, first one battle to get the

1193
01:13:11.439 --> 01:13:15.560
<v Speaker 6>rights to the computer software, then another battle for a

1194
01:13:15.600 --> 01:13:20.239
<v Speaker 6>malpractice against the bat they corrupt attorney, and then there

1195
01:13:20.279 --> 01:13:22.159
<v Speaker 6>was a house that they had lived in and gotten

1196
01:13:22.159 --> 01:13:24.960
<v Speaker 6>poisoned from carbon monoxide, and they looked at that as

1197
01:13:25.079 --> 01:13:27.560
<v Speaker 6>being a possible legal action. So they'd been involved with

1198
01:13:28.079 --> 01:13:31.760
<v Speaker 6>different lawyers, all of whom had mostly not been able

1199
01:13:31.760 --> 01:13:33.399
<v Speaker 6>to help them in one way or another. And they've

1200
01:13:33.399 --> 01:13:37.520
<v Speaker 6>been left in, you know, a destitute situation and out

1201
01:13:38.159 --> 01:13:44.279
<v Speaker 6>all their money basically. So they told his attorney, Tina Fang,

1202
01:13:45.000 --> 01:13:47.199
<v Speaker 6>that they were going to fight to free him. And

1203
01:13:47.399 --> 01:13:54.319
<v Speaker 6>at that point she went to Tray and told him that.

1204
01:13:54.560 --> 01:13:58.720
<v Speaker 6>And then do you want me to ultimately say how

1205
01:13:58.760 --> 01:14:00.479
<v Speaker 6>it turned out?

1206
01:14:01.800 --> 01:14:05.199
<v Speaker 7>That's up to you.

1207
01:14:05.239 --> 01:14:06.199
<v Speaker 8>Do we want to keep it read?

1208
01:14:06.600 --> 01:14:10.119
<v Speaker 7>I know that we talked about the interview. We mentioned that,

1209
01:14:10.319 --> 01:14:13.079
<v Speaker 7>the interview that he has on his deathbed. So maybe

1210
01:14:13.399 --> 01:14:18.199
<v Speaker 7>let's not, you know, at least something for somebody to discover,

1211
01:14:18.319 --> 01:14:23.680
<v Speaker 7>but tell us about how his health gets and why

1212
01:14:23.680 --> 01:14:27.720
<v Speaker 7>does his health get to such a credible dire state

1213
01:14:28.239 --> 01:14:31.960
<v Speaker 7>so quickly? Is there some again, I mean it made

1214
01:14:32.000 --> 01:14:33.560
<v Speaker 7>me sound like an obvious question, but.

1215
01:14:33.840 --> 01:14:37.680
<v Speaker 6>Oh well, yeah, I mean, Trey is stuck in prison

1216
01:14:37.760 --> 01:14:42.640
<v Speaker 6>and he calls it an intellectual wasteland. When I interviewed

1217
01:14:42.680 --> 01:14:47.520
<v Speaker 6>him in April, I spent about nine hours that day

1218
01:14:47.600 --> 01:14:51.279
<v Speaker 6>in the prison. Eight of those hours we were talking

1219
01:14:51.319 --> 01:14:55.520
<v Speaker 6>and he was being videotaped during our interview. But you

1220
01:14:55.600 --> 01:14:58.479
<v Speaker 6>can tell from what little bit he was able to

1221
01:14:58.520 --> 01:15:01.239
<v Speaker 6>do inside the prison. First of all, his wife had

1222
01:15:01.239 --> 01:15:04.640
<v Speaker 6>no money because when she was arrested, you know, she

1223
01:15:04.680 --> 01:15:06.880
<v Speaker 6>couldn't work. When she got out, she had a record

1224
01:15:08.000 --> 01:15:13.039
<v Speaker 6>she couldn't that record wasn't immediately expunged and the case

1225
01:15:13.079 --> 01:15:15.479
<v Speaker 6>field so anytime she would try to go work to

1226
01:15:15.520 --> 01:15:18.319
<v Speaker 6>get work, you know, any employers who did a background

1227
01:15:18.399 --> 01:15:20.640
<v Speaker 6>check would find that she was, you know, had a

1228
01:15:20.720 --> 01:15:23.560
<v Speaker 6>charge of murder against her. So she was living back

1229
01:15:23.600 --> 01:15:25.920
<v Speaker 6>home in Boston with her mother. Had no money to

1230
01:15:25.920 --> 01:15:30.039
<v Speaker 6>speak of. And most inmates have family members. I don't

1231
01:15:30.039 --> 01:15:31.439
<v Speaker 6>know if most of them do, but some of them

1232
01:15:31.439 --> 01:15:34.439
<v Speaker 6>have family members who will pay for things like them

1233
01:15:34.479 --> 01:15:37.319
<v Speaker 6>to have a TV or to have a newspaper delivered,

1234
01:15:38.079 --> 01:15:40.840
<v Speaker 6>things like that. And he had no money because Nancy

1235
01:15:40.880 --> 01:15:47.039
<v Speaker 6>had no much. And so he was this very very

1236
01:15:47.199 --> 01:15:51.119
<v Speaker 6>intellectually stimulated person who for the first time in his life,

1237
01:15:51.479 --> 01:15:55.239
<v Speaker 6>had nothing to stimulate him, and he was living inside

1238
01:15:55.319 --> 01:15:58.600
<v Speaker 6>a prison where the only job he had that they

1239
01:15:58.600 --> 01:16:03.399
<v Speaker 6>would give him was basically to wipe down his cell,

1240
01:16:03.439 --> 01:16:05.359
<v Speaker 6>which just took a few minutes a day. That was it.

1241
01:16:05.479 --> 01:16:09.840
<v Speaker 6>That's the only worthwhile means of spending his time he

1242
01:16:09.920 --> 01:16:13.720
<v Speaker 6>had every day, and he was simply desperate to get

1243
01:16:13.720 --> 01:16:16.039
<v Speaker 6>out and to be with his wife, the woman that

1244
01:16:16.119 --> 01:16:18.800
<v Speaker 6>he loved more than anything else in the world.

1245
01:16:21.239 --> 01:16:25.279
<v Speaker 7>And so what did he do in terms of that quest?

1246
01:16:28.960 --> 01:16:42.399
<v Speaker 6>Ultimately, yes, well, he talked about He wrote letters to

1247
01:16:42.520 --> 01:16:47.560
<v Speaker 6>his attorney, Kina Fang, He talked to other attorneys, and

1248
01:16:47.680 --> 01:16:49.960
<v Speaker 6>nobody would talk to him. He wanted to try to appeal.

1249
01:16:51.960 --> 01:16:57.000
<v Speaker 6>He basically confessed to Nancy. I'm not sure how much

1250
01:16:57.039 --> 01:17:00.800
<v Speaker 6>to say that, but he eventually to his own life.

1251
01:17:00.800 --> 01:17:08.279
<v Speaker 7>Of course, now maybe we should have left that as

1252
01:17:08.520 --> 01:17:12.439
<v Speaker 7>a spoiler, you know, not a spoiler. But sorry, that's okay,

1253
01:17:12.520 --> 01:17:16.479
<v Speaker 7>It's okay, because what I wanted to also say that

1254
01:17:16.560 --> 01:17:19.159
<v Speaker 7>the part of this, what we've kind of not talked

1255
01:17:19.199 --> 01:17:23.000
<v Speaker 7>about at all, is the media and how they treated

1256
01:17:23.000 --> 01:17:26.640
<v Speaker 7>this case and how they treated this couple and their

1257
01:17:26.680 --> 01:17:31.159
<v Speaker 7>involvement in this as well. In terms of maybe, uh yeah,

1258
01:17:31.279 --> 01:17:33.319
<v Speaker 7>tell us a little bit about this. I don't want

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01:17:33.319 --> 01:17:35.000
<v Speaker 7>to even try to forge a.

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<v Speaker 8>Question on that one secondary to the.

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<v Speaker 6>Shoddy police work that was done, because it's clear to

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01:17:41.760 --> 01:17:45.600
<v Speaker 6>me after looking through the police and the prosecutions own

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01:17:45.880 --> 01:17:49.840
<v Speaker 6>internal documents in this case, that they had tunnel visions

1264
01:17:49.880 --> 01:17:53.239
<v Speaker 6>from the from the from the moment they found sister's body.

1265
01:17:53.640 --> 01:17:59.520
<v Speaker 6>The police did. But secondary to that grave mistake and

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01:17:59.600 --> 01:18:06.319
<v Speaker 6>unsure professional behavior was the media's inability or unwillingness to

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01:18:06.399 --> 01:18:08.520
<v Speaker 6>try to track down people who would tell the real

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01:18:08.600 --> 01:18:12.279
<v Speaker 6>story about the stylers. Now, there were some media outlets

1269
01:18:12.279 --> 01:18:14.840
<v Speaker 6>that did, probably the Denver newspapers did a better job,

1270
01:18:15.079 --> 01:18:18.560
<v Speaker 6>certainly than the ass The newspapers did, but they took

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01:18:19.239 --> 01:18:22.600
<v Speaker 6>at faith value everything the police said. And part of

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01:18:22.640 --> 01:18:25.640
<v Speaker 6>the problem was that the case had been sealed at

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01:18:25.640 --> 01:18:29.680
<v Speaker 6>the request of the defense, which didn't help the stylers

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01:18:29.720 --> 01:18:34.479
<v Speaker 6>any But really, the media didn't try very hard to

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01:18:34.520 --> 01:18:39.680
<v Speaker 6>point out that this woman had a problem, that there

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01:18:39.680 --> 01:18:41.680
<v Speaker 6>were a lot of people in town that didn't like her.

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01:18:42.600 --> 01:18:45.600
<v Speaker 6>You know, it's not easy to speak ill of the dead.

1278
01:18:45.479 --> 01:18:47.000
<v Speaker 8>But it is true.

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<v Speaker 6>In fact, one of the people that I interviewed said

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01:18:50.960 --> 01:18:54.600
<v Speaker 6>there was no love loss between Nancy Fister and the

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01:18:54.680 --> 01:19:00.479
<v Speaker 6>people in Athens. It's not easy to find anybody who

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01:19:00.920 --> 01:19:03.359
<v Speaker 6>by that time in her life considered her a friend.

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01:19:03.399 --> 01:19:06.840
<v Speaker 6>There were people that, yeah thought that she was great

1284
01:19:06.840 --> 01:19:10.039
<v Speaker 6>to have at a party, but those people didn't consider

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01:19:10.079 --> 01:19:12.359
<v Speaker 6>her a friend. And so for the media not to

1286
01:19:12.479 --> 01:19:14.960
<v Speaker 6>dwell on any of that, but to point out that

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01:19:15.039 --> 01:19:19.319
<v Speaker 6>she was, you know, Asthen's child, you know, and to

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01:19:19.520 --> 01:19:23.319
<v Speaker 6>really they really laid it out as though this woman

1289
01:19:24.840 --> 01:19:27.600
<v Speaker 6>had been horribly wronged by these two people and Kathy

1290
01:19:27.640 --> 01:19:33.680
<v Speaker 6>Carpenter and how could anybody do this to our daughter

1291
01:19:33.760 --> 01:19:38.239
<v Speaker 6>whose parents started but Buttermilk Mountain And they just kind

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01:19:38.239 --> 01:19:41.199
<v Speaker 6>of they just didn't do a really good job of

1293
01:19:41.239 --> 01:19:42.960
<v Speaker 6>investigating her. They could have found out a lot of

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01:19:42.960 --> 01:19:44.319
<v Speaker 6>this themselves.

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01:19:46.279 --> 01:19:51.960
<v Speaker 7>Now, you spoke about your interview with Trey Styler, how

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01:19:52.039 --> 01:19:56.239
<v Speaker 7>heartbreaking was that knowing everything that you knew about Nancy's predicament,

1297
01:19:56.359 --> 01:19:59.640
<v Speaker 7>the treatment of Nancy, the treatment of Trey, and this

1298
01:20:00.800 --> 01:20:03.439
<v Speaker 7>again person that you just mentioned that there was no

1299
01:20:03.560 --> 01:20:07.960
<v Speaker 7>love lost over this woman. She was a ptagonistic, belligerent,

1300
01:20:09.600 --> 01:20:14.439
<v Speaker 7>a woman, entitled woman. But tell us about how how

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01:20:14.720 --> 01:20:17.159
<v Speaker 7>because you talk about in the book, how heartbreaking was

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01:20:17.159 --> 01:20:23.199
<v Speaker 7>it to speak to him under all of those conditions.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, he was a pretty birken man, and yet he

1304
01:20:27.359 --> 01:20:30.079
<v Speaker 6>still had some hope that he would see his wife again.

1305
01:20:30.159 --> 01:20:33.720
<v Speaker 6>I think he was playing to a thread by that time.

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01:20:34.680 --> 01:20:37.680
<v Speaker 6>In fact, he broke down and cried several times during

1307
01:20:37.680 --> 01:20:42.039
<v Speaker 6>the interview. Part of his tears came when he was

1308
01:20:42.079 --> 01:20:44.319
<v Speaker 6>talking about his early days as a doctor who had

1309
01:20:44.319 --> 01:20:48.439
<v Speaker 6>to proclaim these babies. He had to basically announce them dead,

1310
01:20:49.119 --> 01:20:52.159
<v Speaker 6>these little tiny babies that were born and had heart

1311
01:20:52.199 --> 01:20:54.319
<v Speaker 6>problems and really didn't have a chance of living. But

1312
01:20:54.760 --> 01:20:56.560
<v Speaker 6>he would have to bring in the parents and dress

1313
01:20:56.560 --> 01:20:59.840
<v Speaker 6>the babies up and then you know, issued the death certificates,

1314
01:21:00.279 --> 01:21:03.479
<v Speaker 6>and how difficult that was and just a horrible part.

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01:21:03.399 --> 01:21:03.960
<v Speaker 8>Of his job.

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01:21:04.640 --> 01:21:08.000
<v Speaker 6>But then he broke down because he realized that the

1317
01:21:08.079 --> 01:21:10.600
<v Speaker 6>date of the interview was the anniversary date of when

1318
01:21:11.039 --> 01:21:13.479
<v Speaker 6>he means he went on their first date. And he

1319
01:21:13.520 --> 01:21:16.960
<v Speaker 6>went home that night and called his mother and said,

1320
01:21:17.319 --> 01:21:20.800
<v Speaker 6>I met the woman I'm going to marry. And he said,

1321
01:21:20.800 --> 01:21:23.479
<v Speaker 6>I can't believe that I've basically trying to live my

1322
01:21:23.520 --> 01:21:25.520
<v Speaker 6>life with her, and my son won't talk to me

1323
01:21:25.600 --> 01:21:29.359
<v Speaker 6>and I'll never see him again, and you know, look

1324
01:21:29.399 --> 01:21:32.119
<v Speaker 6>at what I've done in my family. And so I

1325
01:21:32.159 --> 01:21:34.079
<v Speaker 6>tried to tell him, you know that there was still hope,

1326
01:21:34.079 --> 01:21:36.960
<v Speaker 6>and you know that he would didn't see Nancy again.

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01:21:37.000 --> 01:21:38.680
<v Speaker 6>It wasn't that she didn't want to see him. She

1328
01:21:38.720 --> 01:21:42.039
<v Speaker 6>just didn't have any money to fly out to the prison,

1329
01:21:42.239 --> 01:21:45.119
<v Speaker 6>and in time she would have, and that she definitely

1330
01:21:45.159 --> 01:21:47.039
<v Speaker 6>still loved him and wanted to come out and see him.

1331
01:21:48.680 --> 01:21:50.960
<v Speaker 6>And he also felt because by then he wasn't getting

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01:21:50.960 --> 01:21:54.760
<v Speaker 6>any responses from his attorney and he couldn't get any

1333
01:21:54.800 --> 01:21:59.000
<v Speaker 6>other attorneys to hear him. And he actually believed that

1334
01:21:59.000 --> 01:22:03.119
<v Speaker 6>he had reason to appeal because he felt like the

1335
01:22:03.159 --> 01:22:08.439
<v Speaker 6>police had and the prosecutions had gotten him to they'd

1336
01:22:08.560 --> 01:22:13.039
<v Speaker 6>enticed him into confessing because he in turn got Nancy free.

1337
01:22:13.439 --> 01:22:16.079
<v Speaker 6>That was the price of his confession, and so he

1338
01:22:16.239 --> 01:22:18.119
<v Speaker 6>actually believed that there was room for an appeal. And

1339
01:22:19.720 --> 01:22:23.319
<v Speaker 6>I think, I don't care. You know, any inmate should

1340
01:22:23.399 --> 01:22:26.359
<v Speaker 6>have legal legal counsel, and at that point in his

1341
01:22:26.399 --> 01:22:28.720
<v Speaker 6>life he didn't, and so he was really desperate. It

1342
01:22:28.760 --> 01:22:33.359
<v Speaker 6>was just a heartbreaking day. It's really terrible, especially, you know,

1343
01:22:33.439 --> 01:22:34.640
<v Speaker 6>considering what happened later.

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<v Speaker 7>In the end of your book, you talk about the

1345
01:22:41.279 --> 01:22:45.960
<v Speaker 7>tunnel vision that impaired law enforcement officers who worked the case,

1346
01:22:47.079 --> 01:22:48.800
<v Speaker 7>and if they would have waited for the results of

1347
01:22:48.840 --> 01:22:54.680
<v Speaker 7>the Styler's phone analysis before rushing to their conclusion, that

1348
01:22:54.800 --> 01:22:57.239
<v Speaker 7>they would have known that Nancy was telling the truth,

1349
01:22:57.239 --> 01:23:00.000
<v Speaker 7>and the arrest would have never happened. Could you explain

1350
01:23:00.119 --> 01:23:02.119
<v Speaker 7>that for us?

1351
01:23:02.399 --> 01:23:07.479
<v Speaker 6>Yes, the defense team had an analyst look at the

1352
01:23:07.520 --> 01:23:10.720
<v Speaker 6>phone records. I mean, the prosecution did the same thing,

1353
01:23:10.760 --> 01:23:16.920
<v Speaker 6>but in the prosecution records the case files, there was

1354
01:23:17.079 --> 01:23:20.279
<v Speaker 6>no evidence, and if it was there, they didn't share

1355
01:23:20.279 --> 01:23:23.119
<v Speaker 6>it with the defense. And that's possible because there were

1356
01:23:23.119 --> 01:23:24.640
<v Speaker 6>a lot of things that were done wrong with this

1357
01:23:24.720 --> 01:23:29.159
<v Speaker 6>case from the police and prosecution side. But the defense

1358
01:23:29.279 --> 01:23:35.159
<v Speaker 6>found that there was a cell phone that put Nancy

1359
01:23:35.520 --> 01:23:39.800
<v Speaker 6>in her motel room the morning of February twenty fourth,

1360
01:23:39.840 --> 01:23:44.039
<v Speaker 6>that Monday morning when sister actually was being murdered, and

1361
01:23:44.239 --> 01:23:47.359
<v Speaker 6>the police the only thing they looked at was one

1362
01:23:47.399 --> 01:23:50.600
<v Speaker 6>of Nancy's cell phones, and she had two. One of

1363
01:23:50.640 --> 01:23:55.199
<v Speaker 6>her cell phones was being pinged. It was pinging from

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01:23:55.479 --> 01:23:58.960
<v Speaker 6>the area of sister's home. But what they either didn't

1365
01:23:58.960 --> 01:24:02.279
<v Speaker 6>realize that they didn't share with the defense was that

1366
01:24:02.399 --> 01:24:06.239
<v Speaker 6>her second self time was making fun calls from the

1367
01:24:06.239 --> 01:24:09.359
<v Speaker 6>hotel room at the same time sister was being killed.

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01:24:09.359 --> 01:24:13.199
<v Speaker 6>And that's because Nancy Styler was there making his calls

1369
01:24:14.039 --> 01:24:15.840
<v Speaker 6>for different things that she was trying to talk down

1370
01:24:15.880 --> 01:24:16.640
<v Speaker 6>that morning.

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<v Speaker 7>Right yea incredible, incredible story. What are your what were

1372
01:24:26.359 --> 01:24:29.720
<v Speaker 7>your conclusions after this? After? I know this is every

1373
01:24:30.119 --> 01:24:32.800
<v Speaker 7>true crime book, every book that you write takes a

1374
01:24:32.800 --> 01:24:36.399
<v Speaker 7>little bit out of you. And I've talked to other

1375
01:24:36.439 --> 01:24:38.560
<v Speaker 7>authors that some books just send them over the edge

1376
01:24:38.560 --> 01:24:41.119
<v Speaker 7>and they don't want to write anymore true crime. What

1377
01:24:41.239 --> 01:24:44.199
<v Speaker 7>was your conclusion out of this and just what did

1378
01:24:44.239 --> 01:24:48.680
<v Speaker 7>you take away from this case after immersing yourself in

1379
01:24:48.720 --> 01:24:52.720
<v Speaker 7>it so heavily and writing this book.

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01:24:54.920 --> 01:24:57.560
<v Speaker 6>Well, I took away a couple of things. Yeah, it

1381
01:24:57.600 --> 01:25:01.399
<v Speaker 6>was very draining, especially after I did the interview with Trey,

1382
01:25:02.760 --> 01:25:04.680
<v Speaker 6>and I may take a break from true crime. I mean,

1383
01:25:04.720 --> 01:25:07.920
<v Speaker 6>I've done two pretty horrific true crime books lately back

1384
01:25:07.920 --> 01:25:11.199
<v Speaker 6>to back, and it does take a lot out of you.

1385
01:25:11.680 --> 01:25:18.279
<v Speaker 6>But the takeaway, I think is that we may know

1386
01:25:18.800 --> 01:25:21.520
<v Speaker 6>the people that we love very very well, better even

1387
01:25:21.520 --> 01:25:25.039
<v Speaker 6>than they know themselves, but that doesn't mean that we

1388
01:25:25.119 --> 01:25:30.479
<v Speaker 6>can save them, and it also doesn't mean that they

1389
01:25:30.520 --> 01:25:37.159
<v Speaker 6>can save themselves. And sometimes people simply crack and there's

1390
01:25:37.199 --> 01:25:38.359
<v Speaker 6>nothing we can do about it.

1391
01:25:39.640 --> 01:25:44.319
<v Speaker 7>Well, yeah, this is incredible. I've got to say that

1392
01:25:44.399 --> 01:25:47.720
<v Speaker 7>this is one of those cases where you really do

1393
01:25:47.760 --> 01:25:54.039
<v Speaker 7>see a love story here. Very enduring love story and

1394
01:25:55.520 --> 01:25:59.760
<v Speaker 7>a story of success of nice people set to do

1395
01:25:59.840 --> 01:26:07.000
<v Speaker 7>some really great things, a nice family, nice intentions and circumstances,

1396
01:26:07.079 --> 01:26:11.079
<v Speaker 7>and their life goes in this particular case, from fairy

1397
01:26:11.119 --> 01:26:17.640
<v Speaker 7>tale to nightmarish in short order. And Nancy was released

1398
01:26:17.640 --> 01:26:22.760
<v Speaker 7>from prison. But I'm sure that everybody involved with this

1399
01:26:23.039 --> 01:26:27.039
<v Speaker 7>was touched and was led down from that again, that

1400
01:26:27.119 --> 01:26:31.960
<v Speaker 7>fairy tale life to this nightmarish existence. And no good

1401
01:26:32.039 --> 01:26:36.399
<v Speaker 7>came of this really out of this story other than

1402
01:26:36.560 --> 01:26:41.279
<v Speaker 7>again to show the heights that people can go from

1403
01:26:41.680 --> 01:26:45.800
<v Speaker 7>from that again fairy tale life to this nightmare ending.

1404
01:26:46.000 --> 01:26:49.600
<v Speaker 7>So again, not a happy story at all, but is

1405
01:26:50.239 --> 01:26:53.199
<v Speaker 7>I don't know, maybe a cautionary tale for some of us,

1406
01:26:53.520 --> 01:26:56.319
<v Speaker 7>and certainly an incredible tale. And I want to thank

1407
01:26:56.359 --> 01:26:59.239
<v Speaker 7>you for coming on and talking about guilt by matrimony

1408
01:26:59.319 --> 01:27:01.159
<v Speaker 7>and true an incredible story.

1409
01:27:02.039 --> 01:27:04.239
<v Speaker 6>Thank you so much, Dan, I really appreciate it.

1410
01:27:05.640 --> 01:27:07.520
<v Speaker 7>Well. You have a great evening, and I hope to

1411
01:27:07.560 --> 01:27:09.640
<v Speaker 7>talk to you again soon, and again thank you for

1412
01:27:09.680 --> 01:27:12.119
<v Speaker 7>this interview and you have a great evening.

1413
01:27:12.479 --> 01:27:13.479
<v Speaker 6>You too, Thank you, Dan.

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<v Speaker 7>Good night,
