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<v Speaker 1>This is Gary and Shannon and you're listening to kf

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<v Speaker 1>I A M six forty, the Gary and Shannon Show

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<v Speaker 1>on demand on the iHeartRadio app.

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<v Speaker 2>What's going on in Washington? We find out swamp is horrible,

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<v Speaker 2>the government doesn't work.

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<v Speaker 3>Man, make it like a reality TV show.

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<v Speaker 4>Was a bad bos always a pleasure to be anywhere

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<v Speaker 4>from Washington, DC.

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<v Speaker 3>Hey, Joe, a town.

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<v Speaker 4>All too clearly built on a swamp and in so

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<v Speaker 4>many ways still a swamp. I have to watch make.

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<v Speaker 3>Boy said, drained the swamp? I said, oh, that's so, you.

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<v Speaker 4>Know the thing?

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<v Speaker 2>Well.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of talk in Washington about what's going on

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<v Speaker 1>in Russia where President Vladimir Putin today formerly uh formally

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<v Speaker 1>excuse me, lowered the threshold for Russia's use of its

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<v Speaker 1>nuclear weapons.

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<v Speaker 4>This doctrine, this nuclear doctrine by Russia was actually announced

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<v Speaker 4>a couple of weeks ago, so it's not unexpected necessarily,

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<v Speaker 4>it just looks awful considering the timing of the Biden

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<v Speaker 4>administration approving long range missiles being used by Ukraine to

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<v Speaker 4>target into Russia. They said that this is this now

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<v Speaker 4>makes it possible for a nuclear response by Russia to

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<v Speaker 4>a conventional strike being long range missiles, for example, formulated

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<v Speaker 4>broadly to avoid some sort of firm commitment to use

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<v Speaker 4>nuclear weapons and to keep the options open. The Russian

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<v Speaker 4>Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov has emphasized that the Ukrainian strike

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<v Speaker 4>missile strike in Bryansk marked an escalation and urged the

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<v Speaker 4>United States and other Western allies to study the new

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<v Speaker 4>nuclear doctrine. One of Putin's former spokespeople had come out

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<v Speaker 4>and said, yes, you may see nuclear war by Christmas.

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<v Speaker 1>Trump US Confirming the deportation strategy, Trump Transition spokeswoman Caroline

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<v Speaker 1>Leavitt said in a statement that President Trump will marshal

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<v Speaker 1>every federal and state power necessary to institute the largest

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<v Speaker 1>deportation operation of illegal criminals, drug dealers, and human traffickers

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<v Speaker 1>in American history. The ACLU says they will fight with

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<v Speaker 1>legal action.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>This is what I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I understand that this is causing a lot of concern

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<v Speaker 1>from people who are here illegally. Legal aid centers have

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<v Speaker 1>received hundreds of inquiries from people wondering what they should do.

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<v Speaker 1>But when you look to that statement and it's criminals

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<v Speaker 1>and drug dealers and human traffickers, they're going after the

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<v Speaker 1>people who have broken the laws in this country, not

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<v Speaker 1>just by crossing the border, but by committing crimes. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't understand why there's such a fervor over getting rid

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<v Speaker 1>of people who are here illegally when you have a

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<v Speaker 1>machination to get rid of them, Like if we could

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<v Speaker 1>get rid of all criminals, Like, wouldn't that be a

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<v Speaker 1>great thing? You could just get them out of the country.

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<v Speaker 1>Somebody who goes and kills four people, and if there

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<v Speaker 1>was a way to just get them out of the country,

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<v Speaker 1>wouldn't that be great? And there's a way, there's a

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<v Speaker 1>way for people who are here illegally once they do

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<v Speaker 1>stuff that is terrorizing a community, to get them out

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<v Speaker 4>Well, and then in front of those people even before

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<v Speaker 4>they commit crimes here in the United States, it's the

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<v Speaker 4>people that have come over that were already convicted of

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<v Speaker 4>crimes in the country from sure whence they came that

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<v Speaker 4>would be near the top of this list. I don't understand.

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<v Speaker 4>I understand the logic of, Hey, these are members of

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<v Speaker 4>families that you would be breaking up if you had

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<v Speaker 4>Uncle Bob deported because of the double murder that he

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<v Speaker 4>committed in Fresno.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you should have thought about that before he killed

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<v Speaker 2>those people.

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<v Speaker 4>Do you want Uncle Bob as part of your family

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<v Speaker 4>if he's a double murderer.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's not the family that you want to protect.

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<v Speaker 4>And you know, it's obviously comes to a head locally

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<v Speaker 4>because of today's city council decision about sanctuary cities, et cetera.

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<v Speaker 3>But we've seen.

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<v Speaker 4>Tom Holman the incoming borders are who will not be

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<v Speaker 4>shying away from that label. He is a former vice

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<v Speaker 4>director and he has talked about the potential for the

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<v Speaker 4>use of military assets specifically, and everybody seems to think

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<v Speaker 4>that that means that somehow a President Trump, the forty

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<v Speaker 4>seventh soon to be president, would order the one hundred

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<v Speaker 4>and first Airborne to San Antonio, Texas to wipe out

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<v Speaker 4>specific neighborhoods. And that's not at all what he's talking about.

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<v Speaker 4>They're talking about the potential for large military vehicles think

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<v Speaker 4>C five transport plane to move people to places around

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<v Speaker 4>kind of assets that they are discussing. They're not putting

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<v Speaker 4>army boots on the ground in neighborhoods to go knocking

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<v Speaker 1>Donald Trump was not kidding, turns out, and he said

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<v Speaker 1>he'd let Robert F. Kennedy go wild on healthcare transition

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<v Speaker 1>team has accelerated efforts to fill several high profile health jobs.

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<v Speaker 1>This is a short list of controversial Kennedy allies public

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<v Speaker 1>health contrarians to lead the FDA, CDC other key elements

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<v Speaker 1>of the nation's massive health department. You've got Joseph Ladipo, who,

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<v Speaker 1>as Florida's top health official, questioned the COVID vaccine safety

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<v Speaker 1>repeatedly resisted public health recommendations. He is the leading contender

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<v Speaker 1>for a senior role at the Department of Health and

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<v Speaker 1>Human Services. Casey Means a former surgeon turned wellness influencer

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<v Speaker 3>Wow, that would be significant.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know who Casey Means is.

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<v Speaker 3>I would be.

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<v Speaker 4>She's a fascinating she's a fascinating interview.

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<v Speaker 2>She's a former food industry lobbyist.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and I know her brother I think is a

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<v Speaker 4>former lobbyist. Political reports she is. I think it's her

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<v Speaker 4>brother is. I think they got that wrong. But Casey

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<v Speaker 4>and Kelly Means have made have been making the rounds

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<v Speaker 4>lately in in this space of transforming food supply.

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<v Speaker 1>Her brother, Oh, I'm sorry, You're right. I was not

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<v Speaker 1>reading Kraal because his name is.

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<v Speaker 3>Callie, right, it's a confusing name.

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<v Speaker 1>It was, You're right, Calli is being discussed as Kennedy's

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<v Speaker 1>likely chief of staff. And yes, he was the one

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<v Speaker 1>as a former food industry lobbyists, neither of which have

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<v Speaker 3>Which, hey, maybe that's what we right.

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<v Speaker 1>So wait, you said she's an interesting interview, Yes, like

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<v Speaker 1>what's interesting?

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<v Speaker 4>I actually heard her interview. I heard both of them.

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<v Speaker 4>Her she and her brother, doctor Casey Means and Callie

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<v Speaker 4>Means interviewed on Tucker Carlson. I mean, listen, take the

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<v Speaker 4>Tucker part out of it. I think he's a he's

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<v Speaker 4>a whack job in many instances. But it was a

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<v Speaker 4>fascinating conversation about just the basics of how big companies

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<v Speaker 4>and we've said this before. I mean, you mentioned the

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<v Speaker 4>fact that so many of former tobacco companies now own

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<v Speaker 4>food supply food companies, and how they engineer food to

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<v Speaker 4>be as addictive as tobacco and to continue you know,

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<v Speaker 4>to get customers into the pipeline, and then you get

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<v Speaker 4>a grip on them.

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<v Speaker 3>They can't ever get out of that pipe line.

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<v Speaker 4>And drug dealers, it's just it's and it's the simple

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<v Speaker 4>basic things about the way our bodies work and what

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<v Speaker 4>our bodies respond to chemically, physiologically, that we're just sucked

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<v Speaker 4>into it and we're not.

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<v Speaker 3>Aware of it.

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<v Speaker 4>The apple, eat the apple, eat the clean apple, or

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<v Speaker 4>wash the apple after you buy it because you don't

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<v Speaker 4>know what kind of weird stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>Is in it.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I wash my apples.

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<v Speaker 3>I sometimes do it.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll say it a lot, don't I get close to

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<v Speaker 2>the apple. I also don't fluss everyone.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not going to walk over to the sink and

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<v Speaker 3>want apple.

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<v Speaker 1>I totally dirty apple. I eat more dirty apples than

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<v Speaker 1>I do clean. Let's be honest.

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<v Speaker 4>There's a doctor that talks about the way that food

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<v Speaker 4>giants food companies have made us sick, how they use

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<v Speaker 4>these ultra processed foods to hook us, catch us, and

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<v Speaker 4>we stuff we don't even think about, stuff like the

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<v Speaker 4>sound of the food when you pull it off the

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<v Speaker 4>grocery store shelf. Really, and how we are just big

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<v Speaker 4>dumb animals and we just stick that stuff in our mouth.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't wait to get into that.

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<v Speaker 3>So we'll do that at the bottom the album.

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<v Speaker 1>Numerous Republican lawmakers told Donald Trump and his team that

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<v Speaker 1>they believe his pick for attorney general has a little

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<v Speaker 1>chance of being confirmed. This is according to several Senate

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<v Speaker 1>Republicans and people around Trump. They're privately hoping Trump doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>make them walk the plank.

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<v Speaker 4>Allegedly, he's been calling individual senators lobbying on behalf of

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<v Speaker 4>mac Ay. What does that conversation sound like.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, well, you know, we need to shake up the

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<v Speaker 1>Department of Justice. He'll get in there and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>and he'll shake it up, and he'll do what we want.

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<v Speaker 1>He'll protect our friends.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I'm curious.

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<v Speaker 4>Also is the I'm curious also about why the conspiracy

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<v Speaker 4>theory behind why choosing Matt Why do you choose Matt

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<v Speaker 4>Gates if you know he's going to have such an

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<v Speaker 4>uphill climb and now it looks more and more likely

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<v Speaker 4>every day that he would not be confirmed as attorney general.

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<v Speaker 1>They say, Knowing how toxic a character they're dealing with,

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<v Speaker 1>Senate Republicans are worried about getting tarnished by the process.

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<v Speaker 1>They fear that senators up for reelection in twenty six,

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<v Speaker 1>including Tom Tillis, could face a maga primary challenge if

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<v Speaker 1>they oppose Gates's nomination, while possibly kissing their seats goodbye

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<v Speaker 1>in a general election if they back him. Interesting, that's

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<v Speaker 1>the whole walking the plank thing. Uh, It's not just

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<v Speaker 1>the politically vulnerable who are fretting.

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<v Speaker 2>They say.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a fear that Trump is going to waste precious

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<v Speaker 1>political capital trying to push Gates through when he could

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<v Speaker 1>instead be working on advancing more feasible nominations, not to

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<v Speaker 1>mention his governing agenda the.

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<v Speaker 4>Way it's written up in The New York Times today,

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<v Speaker 4>Maggie Haberman and Jonathan Swan, they talk about these private

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<v Speaker 4>conversations that the President elect is supposedly having, and he

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<v Speaker 4>admits that his choice for Attorney General has less than

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<v Speaker 4>even odds of being confirmed by the Senate.

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<v Speaker 3>But he's made no motion.

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<v Speaker 4>Visibly at least of withdrawing the nomination or Gates withdrawing

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<v Speaker 4>his own name from nomination the way Steve Bannon puts it.

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<v Speaker 4>By the way, I can't believe we're still quoting Steve

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<v Speaker 4>Bannon these days, but Donald Trump is a blunt force

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<v Speaker 4>instrument applying blunt force trauma to the system. We know

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<v Speaker 4>that Bannon's close with Trump, but he's not part of

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<v Speaker 4>this transition at all. President Elect Trump's sentencing in the

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<v Speaker 4>criminal hush money trial has been paused. The judge overseeing

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<v Speaker 4>that case is trying to figure out how to move

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<v Speaker 4>forward after he won election election. I'll say that if

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<v Speaker 4>Judge wanmershan Is misses the case, it would be a

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<v Speaker 4>huge win for Trump. But at this point all they're

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<v Speaker 4>doing is no additional details on the docket. The decision

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<v Speaker 4>on Trump's request for a new trial is also expected

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<v Speaker 4>as soon as today. There are a couple of different options.

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<v Speaker 4>Most legal pundits say there's really only two. One is

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<v Speaker 4>you delay sentencing until twenty twenty nine, when Trump is

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<v Speaker 4>out of office, or you just dismiss the case altogether,

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<v Speaker 3>Around for four years waiting for the term to end.

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<v Speaker 1>Speaker Mike Johnson says he's working on a solution to

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<v Speaker 1>the House side of Capitol Hill. This is as representative Alex.

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<v Speaker 1>Sarah McBride poise to assume office is the first openly

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<v Speaker 1>transgender lawmaker. In January, Johnson said, this is an issue

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<v Speaker 1>that Congress has never had to address before, and we're

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<v Speaker 1>will accommodate the needs of every single person. Nancy Mace

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<v Speaker 1>out of North Carolina, North Carolina, isn't it oh, leader

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<v Speaker 1>of the effort to bar transgender women from women's bathrooms.

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<v Speaker 1>She and in her shy both sides need to put

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<v Speaker 1>down the transgender bathroom thing.

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<v Speaker 4>In her statement, Nancy May said Sarah McBride doesn't get

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<v Speaker 4>a say, I mean, this is a biological man. She

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<v Speaker 4>said that the lawmaker does not belong in women's spaces,

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<v Speaker 4>women's bathrooms, locker rooms, changing rooms, period, full stop. She wrote,

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<v Speaker 4>did Sarah McBride everyday Americans go to work with people

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<v Speaker 4>who have life journeys different than their own and engage

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<v Speaker 4>with them respectfully. I hope members of Congress can muster

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<v Speaker 4>that same kindness. This is going to get down to

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<v Speaker 4>the question. Unfortunately for Sarah McBride, it's and the rest

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<v Speaker 4>of us and the other three hundred and forty million

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<v Speaker 4>people is what do you what do you?

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<v Speaker 3>What do you packing?

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<v Speaker 4>What's what's what cargoes in them? Cargo shorts of yours?

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<v Speaker 4>Because I think for a lot of people, that's the

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<v Speaker 2>You have a penis?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, how is.

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<v Speaker 2>That anyone's business?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, if you were standing next, I guess you, guys

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<v Speaker 4>don't stand No, if you were in a bathroom and

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<v Speaker 4>Sarah McBride whips out or honker.

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<v Speaker 1>I wouldn't know. But it's it's not our right to

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<v Speaker 3>Well, that's what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean that, that's why, that's why this is an

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<v Speaker 4>issue that doesn't seem to have any sort of actual

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<v Speaker 4>conclusion to it, because I don't know if Nancy Mace

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<v Speaker 4>knows whether or not Sarah McBride I I can heat

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know how that sentence escaped my mouth as

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<v Speaker 1>easily as it did. How do I know if she

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<v Speaker 1>has a penis or not? I said it with all

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<v Speaker 1>due seriousness, very serious, very serious. But I don't want

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<v Speaker 2>It's in a Capitol hill.

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<v Speaker 4>We're asking Mike Johnson to come up with an answer

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Mike Johnson, Am I right, No, that's not.

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<v Speaker 3>What I meant.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, you've started the penis talk.

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<v Speaker 2>You said, what's in the cargo pants?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, that's that's because I think that's what people worry about.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think so.

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<v Speaker 1>I've never encountered a penis or otherwise in a bathroom.

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<v Speaker 1>I've never encountered anybody's genitals in the bathroom. Okay, except

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<v Speaker 1>for that one time in Philadelphia when I was sitting

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<v Speaker 1>down peeing and I looked to my right and there

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<v Speaker 1>were the feet were pointed towards the toilet, which meant

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<v Speaker 1>that that guy's penis. It was one what's the partition

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<v Speaker 1>away from my face?

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<v Speaker 4>What's the difference between that I'm congresswoman and doing it

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<v Speaker 4>in the halls of Congress where you're sitting doing your

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<v Speaker 4>biz right, and Sarah walks up in her high heels,

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<v Speaker 4>drops trou AND's facing the toilet like a real man.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if it would bother me less if

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<v Speaker 1>if the person was in heels, I think I would

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<v Speaker 1>take some of the sting away. It's one way to

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<v Speaker 1>put it, because this was like a man. There's like

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<v Speaker 1>dude shoes, stranger penis right there.

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<v Speaker 4>Well that's not a straight that would be also a

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<v Speaker 4>stranger's Jenna tailor.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but she probably doesn't want to use it.

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<v Speaker 3>And you think that guy did.

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<v Speaker 2>All men want to use it?

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, well then how I'm lost? Now I'm lost?

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<v Speaker 2>All right, we'll talk about it.

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<v Speaker 3>I can't find the trail back. The forest has closed

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<v Speaker 3>in around me.

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<v Speaker 2>Now I know that got away from us.

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<v Speaker 1>Man, I want to get right into this story. This

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<v Speaker 1>is fascinating. There's a new documentary and it's called Irresistible

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<v Speaker 1>and it's about the tricks of food giants that make

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<v Speaker 1>us addicted to bad foods. And this sentence hit me

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<v Speaker 1>like a ton of bricks.

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<v Speaker 3>Hit me like a title wave.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, whoa, that kind of worked its way in my brain.

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<v Speaker 2>What a dumb animal I am?

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, you can say that again, What a.

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<v Speaker 2>Dumb animal I am?

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<v Speaker 1>If this is the line we need to bury the

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<v Speaker 1>idea of the obesity crisis as a failure of willpower,

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<v Speaker 1>that people are just making bad choices, that they're lazy,

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<v Speaker 1>that it's their fault.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not, it's it should be.

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<v Speaker 4>That is an eye opening statement right now, it does

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<v Speaker 4>an excuse whose are bad habits, but it at least

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<v Speaker 4>points to why it is so difficult to stop.

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<v Speaker 1>In the documentary, the scientists who were at the dawn

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<v Speaker 1>of this billion dollar industry of super processed foods explain

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<v Speaker 1>the hidden tricks and techniques that have been perfected to

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<v Speaker 1>get inside our minds and our appetites, not just to

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<v Speaker 1>make ultra processed food appealing but addictive for most of us.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, because remember the point of a food company is

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<v Speaker 4>not to make you healthy.

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<v Speaker 3>The point of a food company is to sell food.

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<v Speaker 2>So they have more and more.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and they have scientists that perfect these recipes, test

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<v Speaker 4>and perfect them every aspect of every food product to

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<v Speaker 3>They go on.

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<v Speaker 1>An experimental psychologist called doctor Howard Moskowitz revolutionize the food

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<v Speaker 1>industry by developing the concept called the bliss point. He

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<v Speaker 1>was contacted by the bosses at Campbell's Soup to ask

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<v Speaker 1>if he could help their pasta sauce sell better. Tried

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<v Speaker 1>forty five different versions of the sauce recipe on consumers,

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<v Speaker 1>asked them to rate the deliciousnessness. He discovered that by

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<v Speaker 1>hitting an optimum amount of sugar, fat, or salt, in

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<v Speaker 1>a dish which is obviously more, but not too much more.

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<v Speaker 1>He could make the people think that the entire recipe

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<v Speaker 3>He yeah, that's what he came up, that bliss point.

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<v Speaker 4>He did it with doctor Pepper, he did it with tropicana,

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<v Speaker 4>he did it with spam. And they said that this

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<v Speaker 4>has been sort of the the or was the beginning

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<v Speaker 4>of this ultra processed food plan.

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<v Speaker 1>Basically perfect combination between salt and sugar and fat because

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<v Speaker 1>it's hitten all the thing, right, sweet and savory.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh fat.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, but that's just one of the tricks, and that's

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<v Speaker 4>the one that was probably going to be the easiest

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<v Speaker 4>to come up with. Here's another thing. There's a neuroscientist

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<v Speaker 4>who worked for Unilever. First of all, what a neuroscientist

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<v Speaker 4>working for a giant food company like that? Yes, introducing

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<v Speaker 4>MRI brain MRI brain scanning to dig deeper into your preferences.

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<v Speaker 4>So what he and his team did was they put

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<v Speaker 4>volunteers into brain scanners and then feed him ice cream

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<v Speaker 4>and see what happens to your brain. They said that

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<v Speaker 4>their brains orbitofrontal cortex reward system was glowing like a furnace,

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<v Speaker 4>which is why when you have two spoonfuls of ice

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<v Speaker 4>cream you cannot put that thing back.

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<v Speaker 3>In the freezer. Oh my gosh, how about this one.

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<v Speaker 3>There's another one.

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<v Speaker 4>Soft food short circuits your brain's satiety mechanism, so that

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<v Speaker 4>you eat much more of the soft food than you

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<v Speaker 4>would of crunchy food. Think of it a carrot. You

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<v Speaker 4>eat a carrot, you got to spend some time on it.

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<v Speaker 4>You gotta work it, You gotta break that thing down.

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<v Speaker 2>You eat a piece of cheese.

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<v Speaker 4>With the work that you too to break down the

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<v Speaker 4>carrot tells your brain you should be full by the

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<v Speaker 4>time that hits your belly. But if you do it

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<v Speaker 4>with soft food, it short circuits that. And they even

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<v Speaker 4>point to things like cheesy orange puffs because yes they're crunchy,

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<v Speaker 4>but they so immediately lose that and you can squish

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<v Speaker 4>them around with your tongue.

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<v Speaker 3>Wait, there's more.

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<v Speaker 4>How often you eat is now being dictated by the

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<v Speaker 4>way that they market these foods. Breakfast snack is a

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<v Speaker 4>breakfast shake. Don't sit down, don't chew on it, don't

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<v Speaker 4>do anything like that. It would make your body tell

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<v Speaker 4>you that it's full. Just have a shake to go,

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<v Speaker 4>Just have a little protein bar after your gym workout,

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<v Speaker 4>mid afternoon, snack like a veggie straw, and then in

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<v Speaker 4>the evening others sharing snacks. Maybe you rip out a

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<v Speaker 1>The veggie straws crack me up because it's like, I

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<v Speaker 1>know what you're doing.

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<v Speaker 2>You're trying to.

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<v Speaker 1>Make me feel like I'm snacking on vegetables by making

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<v Speaker 1>them look like vegetable colors, but I'm really eating cheetos.

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<v Speaker 4>Right, how about this one? Noises that make you eat more?

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<v Speaker 4>The noise made when you pick up a food packet

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<v Speaker 4>has been carefully manufactured to make the food sound irresistible.

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<v Speaker 2>Like a bag of Doritos.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, that's exactly right. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>The crinkly noises from the packaging carefully tuned to make

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<v Speaker 4>you think, oh, this must be really fresh.

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<v Speaker 2>It's gonna crunch when I bite into this.

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<v Speaker 4>There are sound engineers that work for food companies.

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<v Speaker 1>It's called sonic branding. For example, when you pull open

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<v Speaker 1>the ring on a can of fizzy soda, you've got

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<v Speaker 1>two noises, the click and the tear, and that is

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<v Speaker 1>sonic branding. How satisfying is that click and tear?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, Kellogg's for example. Kellogg's is one of those companies

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<v Speaker 4>that uses sonic branding most people will remember as children

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<v Speaker 4>lifting a bowl to their ear. I love the sound

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<v Speaker 4>crackle and Rice Christ remember how they made that a thing? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>I mean they name their characters after the sonic branding

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<v Speaker 4>that it takes place when you put puffed corn in milk.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, all of these things right now are triggering the

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<v Speaker 1>parts of my brain that want them.

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<v Speaker 3>I want to eat.

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<v Speaker 1>You just got to keep telling yourself it's just your brain.

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<v Speaker 1>That's that's wire that they've been able to, you know, manipulate,

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<v Speaker 1>screw with the wiring of it.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't really want this. They just want you to

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<v Speaker 3>So there was another story as well Ai.

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<v Speaker 4>There was a reporter in the Washington Post who let

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<v Speaker 4>Ai make decisions for her for an entire week, everything

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<v Speaker 4>from what to eat, what to work out, what to

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<v Speaker 4>text her husband.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>A hacker Lool has reportedly gained access to testimony investigations

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<v Speaker 1>into former Congressman Matt Gates. He's been accused of sexual

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<v Speaker 1>misconduct and never criminally charged.

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<v Speaker 2>She's denied everything.

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<v Speaker 1>Reports say that someone got into two dozen exhibits, including

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<v Speaker 1>testimony from a woman who claims Gates had sex with

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<v Speaker 1>her when she was seventeen. The file included sealed files

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<v Speaker 1>from the Health Ethics Committee. The Ethics Committee is expected

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<v Speaker 1>to me tomorrow to decide whether or not to release

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<v Speaker 1>its report on Gates.

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<v Speaker 4>Something happened yesterday at the football stadium in Dallas at

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<v Speaker 4>and T Stadium in Arlington. The pieces of metal were

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<v Speaker 4>falling off of the roof before the game.

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<v Speaker 3>Nobody was hurt.

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<v Speaker 4>I guess there were some production people on the field

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<v Speaker 4>at the time, and it was a large metal piece.

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<v Speaker 4>Looked like it was about maybe six feet by two feet.

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<v Speaker 4>The large metal piece fell shortly after the stadium had

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<v Speaker 4>opened the roof, but that they closed it. I don't

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<v Speaker 4>know what's going on with that stadium, but they have

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<v Speaker 4>not played in that stadium in an open roof situation

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<v Speaker 4>for two years now. I don't know if that just

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<v Speaker 4>by chance or if there's something wrong with the stadium

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<v Speaker 4>that they're It.

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<v Speaker 1>Was like the first of the massive stadiums to open.

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<v Speaker 1>It's beautiful. It is a gorgeous stadium. But yeah, obviously

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<v Speaker 1>some problems there on and off the field above the field.

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<v Speaker 1>All over Dallas there was an article in the New

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<v Speaker 1>York York Times written by Kashmir Hill, and he writes,

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<v Speaker 1>generative artificial intelligence took over my life for one week.

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<v Speaker 1>It told me what to eat, what to wear, what

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<v Speaker 1>to do with my kids. It chose my haircut, what

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<v Speaker 1>color to paint my office.

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<v Speaker 3>And this is my favorite part.

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<v Speaker 4>It told my husband that it was okay to go

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<v Speaker 4>golfing in a lovey dovey text that he immediately knew

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<v Speaker 4>I had not written. So Kashmir writes this thing up

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<v Speaker 4>and says she used two dozen generative AI tools for

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<v Speaker 4>daily tasks and about one hundred decisions over the course

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<v Speaker 4>of the week. Among the helpers were the chatbots with

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<v Speaker 4>every big tech company released after chat GPT, and she

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<v Speaker 4>goes through and lists a bunch of them. Said, I

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<v Speaker 4>told the chatbots what I was doing. I was a

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<v Speaker 4>journalist conducting an experiment that I had a family, but

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<v Speaker 4>not much more of that. AI's first task was to

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<v Speaker 4>plan our meals and then generate a shopping list for

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<v Speaker 4>the week, and within seconds it's done. She describes that

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<v Speaker 4>give and take, which is what should I get? Make

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<v Speaker 4>the list ordered by section, starting with produce. Chat GPT

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<v Speaker 4>throws out a list reads it line by line. She

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<v Speaker 4>then types in did we forget anything? After sending in

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<v Speaker 4>a picture of her grocery cart and chat GPT says,

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<v Speaker 4>based on the image, it looks like you have most

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<v Speaker 4>of the key items from your list, including produced dairy

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<v Speaker 4>and some pantry essentials. However, I can't see everything in

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<v Speaker 4>the cart, so here are a few things to double check,

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<v Speaker 4>and then listed a bunch of stuff to make sure

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<v Speaker 4>that she had it.

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<v Speaker 1>My daughters, she writes, were enchanted by the disembodied voice

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<v Speaker 1>with infinite patience for their questions. There are nine voices

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<v Speaker 1>to choose from. I went with an upbeat mail one.

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<v Speaker 1>They decided it should have a name.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, the girls, she said's funny because they had scatological

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<v Speaker 4>names because they're four and seven years old. But they

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<v Speaker 4>came up with the name Spark eventually, so they said.

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<v Speaker 4>The only junk food on Spark's grocery list was a

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<v Speaker 4>bar of dark chocolate. The daily plans also involved an

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<v Speaker 4>hour of exercise, stretch breaks during work hours, and then

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<v Speaker 4>cooking elaborate meals three times a day.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought it was funny.

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<v Speaker 1>She said that it saved her time, alleviated the burden

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<v Speaker 1>of making choices, but it seemed to have an agenda

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<v Speaker 1>turn me into a basic bee.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, because there's no creativity.

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<v Speaker 3>There's very little creativity. She did say.

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<v Speaker 4>It did plan family games in the evening, including past

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<v Speaker 4>the story in which we and Spark took turns telling

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<v Speaker 4>a tale the chatbot started about a towering tree deep

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<v Speaker 4>in an enchanted forest.

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<v Speaker 3>She said it felt like a week.

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<v Speaker 4>The AI optimized week felt like a wellness retreat.

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<v Speaker 1>I would be careful to expose my kids four and

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<v Speaker 1>seven to this. Yes, that I think would be there

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<v Speaker 1>for a whole week, because their life experience is so small,

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<v Speaker 1>you'd think they'd make a bigger deal out of this.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, if it lasted for a whole that's like

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<v Speaker 2>a year.

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<v Speaker 4>Right in forty year old as she had the chat

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<v Speaker 4>gpt pick a paint color for her office, she had

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<v Speaker 4>pictures of her wardrobe that she uploaded to style DNA

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<v Speaker 4>and then based a scan of my face, it had

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<v Speaker 4>determined my style an optimal color palette. Most of what

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<v Speaker 4>I owned, including some of my favorite items, were not

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<v Speaker 4>a good match, according to the AI stylist, so they

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<v Speaker 4>picked on a couple of garments that she would bring on.

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<v Speaker 3>Said at J crwe.

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<v Speaker 4>I took mirror selfies as I tried on each of

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<v Speaker 4>the items, and it rejected most of what I selected,

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<v Speaker 4>but it gave a one hundred match to an all

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<v Speaker 4>of nit tank top and high waisted gene trousers. I

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<v Speaker 4>uploaded the AI proved a tire to a chat with

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<v Speaker 4>some of my stylish colleagues and it got roasted. Humans

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<v Speaker 4>told her, if I saw you walking down the street,

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<v Speaker 4>I would think, sure that is a person who got

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<v Speaker 4>the mannequin set.

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<v Speaker 1>The other one chimed in mannequin core. There was one

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<v Speaker 1>part of my life. AI failed a being me. Cloning

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<v Speaker 1>my voice was disturbingly easy to do. I also created

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<v Speaker 1>a video avatar of myself by reading a short script

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<v Speaker 1>onto my lam into my laptop camera. I wanted it

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<v Speaker 1>to post to social media send video messages on my behalf,

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<v Speaker 1>but when it digested one of my articles for a

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<v Speaker 1>TikTok video, the script was wooden. Some of my movements

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<v Speaker 1>were exaggerated in a creepy way. When I used my

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<v Speaker 1>avatar to send a loving AI composed message to my mom,

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<v Speaker 1>she was horrified. She said, you seem so phony. I

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<v Speaker 1>thought you were mad at me. Mothers always know.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh, so it's not where it needs to be.

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<v Speaker 2>That frees me out.

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<v Speaker 1>That whole article like that, you would let it into

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<v Speaker 1>your life for a week in front of your children.

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<v Speaker 1>It's too much journalism for me.

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<v Speaker 3>And by the way, good on mom and good on

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<v Speaker 3>the husband.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, for knowing that she was crazy, right, I mean

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<v Speaker 4>not that she was crazy, but that the computer tried

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<v Speaker 4>to be her and painted her as crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>That just wasn't who she was. You can go through

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<v Speaker 1>the motions, but you are what makes you you.

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<v Speaker 4>Thanks Grandma, I mean Grandma. Just sounds like something Grandma

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<v Speaker 4>would say, Dixie. She wouldn't have put it like that,

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<v Speaker 4>she would not have, but.

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<v Speaker 1>She'd stop thinking about you and get out into the

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<v Speaker 1>yard and do some work.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, you've been listening to the Gary and Shannon Show.

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